From Grossac at aol.com Wed Jun 4 21:04:22 2008 From: Grossac at aol.com (Grossac at aol.com) Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 23:04:22 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] SPRITE SPEED 50! AT MID-OHIO - June 26-29 Message-ID: REMINDER! The SVRA Mid-Ohio vintage races on June 26-29 will honor the 50th anniversary of the Sprite (and twin-under-the-skin Midgets). All Sprite/Midgets are invited including variants as well as modern SCCA cars. SVRA has offered to reduce Sprite entry fees $100 from regular fees and there will be Sprite only-qualification and feature races in addition to participation in the regular SVRA groups. Sprites will also be offered a no-cost familiarization session on Thursday prior to start of regular on-track activities on Friday. Peter Krause, personal racing coach, will provide a chalk talk for Sprite drivers during lunchtime on Friday. We will have a Sprite dinner on Friday night at which presentations for dubious achievements will be made. Historical prevarications, representations and fabrications will be will be among the highlights of the evening. Competitors who also participate in the VARAC Mosport Vintage races the preceding weekend will vote to chose the winner of the Am-Can Challenge, based not on finishing position but on Spirit and Devotion to the marque. Please go to the SVRA website _www.SVRA.com_ (http://www.SVRA.com) for more information and entry forms or me for information at _grossac at aol.com_ (mailto:grossac at aol.com) . For Spritely Motoring, Chris Gross **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Wed Jun 4 22:55:56 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:55:56 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Track Time at Infineon Message-ID: <484771DC.2090906@norcal-saac.org> The Nor Cal Shelby Club is having an Open Track event on July 5/6 at Infineon. This is open to all cars except for open wheel, and also has a sound limit of 103 dB. If your interested in some track/test time, check it out. http://www.norcal-saac.org/news/0807sp.htm Any questions, reply to me. -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger mailto:walt at boeninger.net mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org http://boeninger.net http://shelbytransam.com From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sun Jun 8 08:33:34 2008 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 10:33:34 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: <000001c8c974$a224a900$e66dfb00$@com> Over the years you have either met me in person on the track, teching your car or my blasts to get you to come to this or that event. So I am asking you all to make a place on your schedule for this year's VRG/PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun. It is our 5th anniversary of this part of the whole spectacle that makes up the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association's races, shows, diners, etc. As most of you know by now not only do we offer some of the best racing anywhere bar none, but while we are doing this we are raising money for some people who really need our help. In the past 25 years we have given, not just raised, but given, over 2.5 million dollars to our charities. And in the 4 years that the Historic racing has been part of this we have been making our own statement and it is getting louder all the time. We, with our historic cars put on one hell of an event and our spectators agree. each year more of them and you come on out to make this an awesome event and the check we hand over to the charities at the end of all of this reflects that. So come on out. We have something for everyone. Great racing for those that do that, great spectating for those that enjoy that. We have great track side parties so all the crew, drivers, workers and everyone else can have a good time. We have SCCA autocross going on all weekend for those who want to test themselves but in a different way and bottom line you are helping other people who need it. Those who have come before I expect to see you again and I expect you to drag all of your friends with you. For those who have never been, let's make this one hell of a 5th anniversary! For more info or forms you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the racing button then the VRG/PVGPA BeaveRun button, or www.vrgonline.org , or www.pvgpa.org www.pvgp.org/674692325222915/site/default.asp www.pvgp.org/6746921222112230/site/default.asp www.pvgp.org/6746921222112310/site/default.asp Our charities Thanks and see you there Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of competition BeveRun or Driver #340 XK120 or #340 MGA Twincam Cpe (or anything a friend will lend) From franks97 at verizon.net Sun Jun 8 09:35:13 2008 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:35:13 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] West Coast In-Reply-To: <000001c8c974$a224a900$e66dfb00$@com> Message-ID: And for you left coasters don't forget the Portland Historics. Portland International raceway was completely repaved last year with changes to turns six and seven. July 11-13. -- David Franks franks97 at verizon.net 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue On 6/8/08 7:33 AM, "Ralph Steinberg" wrote: > Over the years you have either met me in person on the track, teching your > car or my blasts to get you to come to this or that event. > So I am asking you all to make a place on your schedule for this year's > VRG/PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun. > It is our 5th anniversary of this part of the whole spectacle that makes up > the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association's races, shows, diners, etc. > As most of you know by now not only do we offer some of the best racing > anywhere bar none, but while we are doing this we are raising money for some > people who really need our help. In the past 25 years we have given, not > just raised, but given, over 2.5 million dollars to our charities. > And in the 4 years that the Historic racing has been part of this we have > been making our own statement and it is getting louder all the time. We, > with our historic cars put on one hell of an event and our spectators agree. > each year more of them and you come on out to make this an awesome event and > the check we hand over to the charities at the end of all of this reflects > that. > So come on out. We have something for everyone. Great racing for those that > do that, great spectating for those that enjoy that. We have great track > side parties so all the crew, drivers, workers and everyone else can have a > good time. We have SCCA autocross going on all weekend for those who want to > test themselves but in a different way and bottom line you are helping other > people who need it. > Those who have come before I expect to see you again and I expect you to > drag all of your friends with you. For those who have never been, let's make > this one hell of a 5th anniversary! > For more info or forms you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com > and click the racing button then the > VRG/PVGPA BeaveRun button, or www.vrgonline.org > , or www.pvgpa.org > > www.pvgp.org/674692325222915/site/default.asp > www.pvgp.org/6746921222112230/site/default.asp > > www.pvgp.org/6746921222112310/site/default.asp Our charities > > Thanks and see you there > Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of competition BeveRun > or Driver #340 XK120 or #340 MGA Twincam Cpe (or anything a friend will > lend) > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as franks97 at verizon.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com Sun Jun 8 20:33:15 2008 From: mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com (Mike/Donna Carpenter) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 22:33:15 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: <13986982.1212978795454.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I hope that you have a better turn out at Beaverun and PVGP than they had at VIR this weekend. I would not have wasted money on gas to drive 5.5 hrs to see nascar like cars run around the track. I guess that they could not get "real" vintage racers to show up so that had to fill the paddock with something. I will not go back. If I ask about a week before the Beaverun event will you tell me the truth of whether anyone that owns a vintage car will actually be there. I just want to know that the events are worth the drive. Thanks, Mike Carpenter -----Original Message----- >From: Ralph Steinberg >Sent: Jun 8, 2008 10:33 AM >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) > >Over the years you have either met me in person on the track, teching your >car or my blasts to get you to come to this or that event. > So I am asking you all to make a place on your schedule for this year's >VRG/PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun. > It is our 5th anniversary of this part of the whole spectacle that makes up >the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association's races, shows, diners, etc. > As most of you know by now not only do we offer some of the best racing >anywhere bar none, but while we are doing this we are raising money for some >people who really need our help. In the past 25 years we have given, not >just raised, but given, over 2.5 million dollars to our charities. > And in the 4 years that the Historic racing has been part of this we have >been making our own statement and it is getting louder all the time. We, >with our historic cars put on one hell of an event and our spectators agree. >each year more of them and you come on out to make this an awesome event and >the check we hand over to the charities at the end of all of this reflects >that. > So come on out. We have something for everyone. Great racing for those that >do that, great spectating for those that enjoy that. We have great track >side parties so all the crew, drivers, workers and everyone else can have a >good time. We have SCCA autocross going on all weekend for those who want to >test themselves but in a different way and bottom line you are helping other >people who need it. > Those who have come before I expect to see you again and I expect you to >drag all of your friends with you. For those who have never been, let's make >this one hell of a 5th anniversary! > For more info or forms you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com > and click the racing button then the >VRG/PVGPA BeaveRun button, or www.vrgonline.org >, or www.pvgpa.org > >www.pvgp.org/674692325222915/site/default.asp >www.pvgp.org/6746921222112230/site/default.asp > >www.pvgp.org/6746921222112310/site/default.asp Our charities > >Thanks and see you there >Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of competition BeveRun > or Driver #340 XK120 or #340 MGA Twincam Cpe (or anything a friend will >lend) >_______________________________________________ > ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Sun Jun 8 21:09:12 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:09:12 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Reno Fernley Message-ID: <3F62C1F48CCF4490B03AE30A0C7A0A13@lotus61mff> Is anybody on the list racing the SCCA vintage race at Reno Fernley Raceway next weekend? Drop me a line offnet if you are. Carl carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net From note4don at live.com Sun Jun 8 21:11:07 2008 From: note4don at live.com (note4don at live.com) Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 20:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <13986982.1212978795454.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <13986982.1212978795454.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: We're driving 2500+ miles, you'd better be there. I'll be looking for you. Don Queen 56 Alfa Spider Bruce Miller Some kind of Lotus- they all look the same to me. Tom Thinisen- another Lotus. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike/Donna Carpenter" Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:33 PM To: "Ralph Steinberg" ; Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] (no subject) > I hope that you have a better turn out at Beaverun and PVGP than they had > at VIR this weekend. I would not have wasted money on gas to drive 5.5 > hrs to see nascar like cars run around the track. I guess that they could > not get "real" vintage racers to show up so that had to fill the paddock > with something. I will not go back. > > If I ask about a week before the Beaverun event will you tell me the truth > of whether anyone that owns a vintage car will actually be there. I just > want to know that the events are worth the drive. > > Thanks, > > Mike Carpenter > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Ralph Steinberg >>Sent: Jun 8, 2008 10:33 AM >>To: vintage-race at autox.team.net >>Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) >> >>Over the years you have either met me in person on the track, teching your >>car or my blasts to get you to come to this or that event. >> So I am asking you all to make a place on your schedule for this year's >>VRG/PVGPA Historic Races at BeaveRun. >> It is our 5th anniversary of this part of the whole spectacle that makes >> up >>the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association's races, shows, diners, etc. >> As most of you know by now not only do we offer some of the best racing >>anywhere bar none, but while we are doing this we are raising money for >>some >>people who really need our help. In the past 25 years we have given, not >>just raised, but given, over 2.5 million dollars to our charities. >> And in the 4 years that the Historic racing has been part of this we have >>been making our own statement and it is getting louder all the time. We, >>with our historic cars put on one hell of an event and our spectators >>agree. >>each year more of them and you come on out to make this an awesome event >>and >>the check we hand over to the charities at the end of all of this reflects >>that. >> So come on out. We have something for everyone. Great racing for those >> that >>do that, great spectating for those that enjoy that. We have great track >>side parties so all the crew, drivers, workers and everyone else can have >>a >>good time. We have SCCA autocross going on all weekend for those who want >>to >>test themselves but in a different way and bottom line you are helping >>other >>people who need it. >> Those who have come before I expect to see you again and I expect you to >>drag all of your friends with you. For those who have never been, let's >>make >>this one hell of a 5th anniversary! >> For more info or forms you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com >> and click the racing button then the >>VRG/PVGPA BeaveRun button, or www.vrgonline.org >> >>, or www.pvgpa.org >> >>www.pvgp.org/674692325222915/site/default.asp >>www.pvgp.org/6746921222112230/site/default.asp >> >>www.pvgp.org/6746921222112310/site/default.asp Our charities >> >>Thanks and see you there >>Ralph Steinberg PVGPA director of competition BeveRun >> or Driver #340 XK120 or #340 MGA Twincam Cpe (or anything a friend will >>lend) >>_______________________________________________ >> > > ________________________________________ > PeoplePC Online > A better way to Internet > http://www.peoplepc.com > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as note4don at live.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Mon Jun 9 04:55:12 2008 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 06:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <13986982.1212978795454.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa. earthlink.net> References: <13986982.1212978795454.JavaMail.root@mswamui-cedar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20080609065245.02133aa0@pop.cloverleaf-auto.com> At 10:33 PM 6/8/2008, Mike/Donna Carpenter wrote: >I hope that you have a better turn out at Beaverun and PVGP than they had >at VIR this weekend. I would not have wasted money on gas to drive 5.5 >hrs to see nascar like cars run around the track. I guess that they could >not get "real" vintage racers to show up so that had to fill the paddock >with something. I will not go back. > >If I ask about a week before the Beaverun event will you tell me the truth >of whether anyone that owns a vintage car will actually be there. I just >want to know that the events are worth the drive. > >Thanks, > >Mike Carpenter Mike, You can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage race button and then the BeaveRun logo and if you go to groups and grids you can see the actual cars entered through the beginning of May. I have not updated that list lately but plan to later this week. Ralph From Awgertoo at aol.com Mon Jun 9 05:53:05 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:53:05 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: I raced at VIR this weekend--there were 22 or more cars in my class (B), a like or larger number in Vintage C and decent fields in all the other groups, including that for Muscle cars which were billed as the feature. Also Vintage Karts. I had a great time despite the 100 degree heat, though during the feature race I almost hit a deer at the top of the climbing esses. Many racers said they were planning on being at Beaverun and PVGP. Best--Michael Oritt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ In a message dated 6/8/2008 10:33:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com writes: I hope that you have a better turn out at Beaverun and PVGP than they had at VIR this weekend. I would not have wasted money on gas to drive 5.5 hrs to see nascar like cars run around the track. **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com Mon Jun 9 06:35:56 2008 From: mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com (Mike/Donna Carpenter) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 08:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: <21684491.1213014956254.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> There would have been alot more in your class and the other classes had this been two years ago. There were so many vast empty spaces in the paddock that use to be full. I sincerely hope that Beaverun and PVGP has the highest turnouts ever as I will for sure be there. I doubt that I go back to VIR as it has shrunk considerably in the last two years and it is just the factor of the drive and to watch modern (muscle) cars 1999 and newer out on track kind of blew it. I choose to go to vintage races to see vintage race cars - that is '50s and '60s model cars. I was with some friends while at VIR and their consensus turned out to be that the air show was better than the races. The air show actually was pretty cool. However, in the past that was not needed as their was so many neat sports racers and exotic early racers to look at. I am not saying this to dis VIR as I have been there so many times and I like the race track. It just hurts to see it dying down along with the stupidity that occurred at Summit Point for the last two years. For the last two years, Mid-Ohio has not had near the turnout that it use to either. I hope that this pattern ends and things pick back up. I can't wait til Beaverun, it is close at 100 miles away from me ;^). Mike Carpenter -----Original Message----- From: Awgertoo at aol.com Sent: Jun 9, 2008 7:53 AM To: mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] (no subject) I raced at VIR this weekend--there were 22 or more cars in my class (B), a like or larger number in Vintage C and decent fields in all the other groups, including that for Muscle cars which were billed as the feature. Also Vintage Karts. I had a great time despite the 100 degree heat, though during the feature race I almost hit a deer at the top of the climbing esses. Many racers said they were planning on being at Beaverun and PVGP. Best--Michael Oritt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- In a message dated 6/8/2008 10:33:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com writes: I hope that you have a better turn out at Beaverun and PVGP than they had at VIR this weekend. I would not have wasted money on gas to drive 5.5 hrs to see nascar like cars run around the track. _________________________________________________________________ Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From cfchrist at earthlink.net Mon Jun 9 08:34:38 2008 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 10:34:38 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: <4051132.1213022078283.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> a 45 minute tow versus a 9 hour tow dictated my decision this past weekend. i ran weatherly hillclimb and while hurting my car(mechaniclaicaly) , had more fun than the gas bill towing to one of my favorite tracks VIR could have been. fuel cost , to tow has over shadowed entry fees or distances in my case. i'd rather been at VIR!!!!! i fear that is what evryone has been experiencing is fuel prices , it really gripes me. i have the equiptment , and the gas prices are so high i'm cutting back my involvement in what i love due to the prices of literlally "getting there"! at one time entry prices "bothered" me. now it's darn gas prices to tow too an event and home! we apologise for not being there and offering the hospitalitality we offer fellow competitors! saab 93F #251 -----Original Message----- >From: Mike/Donna Carpenter >Sent: Jun 9, 2008 8:35 AM >To: Awgertoo at aol.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] (no subject) > > There would have been alot more in your class and the other classes > had this been two years ago. There were so many vast empty spaces in > the paddock that use to be full. > > I sincerely hope that Beaverun and PVGP has the highest turnouts ever > as I will for sure be there. I doubt that I go back to VIR as it has > shrunk considerably in the last two years and it is just the factor of > the drive and to watch modern (muscle) cars 1999 and newer out on > track kind of blew it. I choose to go to vintage races to see vintage > race cars - that is '50s and '60s model cars. > > I was with some friends while at VIR and their consensus turned out to > be that the air show was better than the races. The air show actually > was pretty cool. However, in the past that was not needed as their > was so many neat sports racers and exotic early racers to look at. > > I am not saying this to dis VIR as I have been there so many times and > I like the race track. It just hurts to see it dying down along with > the stupidity that occurred at Summit Point for the last two years. > For the last two years, Mid-Ohio has not had near the turnout that it > use to either. I hope that this pattern ends and things pick back up. From jimf42 at rocketmail.com Mon Jun 9 08:51:01 2008 From: jimf42 at rocketmail.com (jim fuerstenberg) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:51:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: <307742.88638.qm@web30306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I agree...I am looking to closer races...at 9mpg towing... anything within 2.5 hours looks better than 8 -12 hours.... Jim Fuerstenberg 'The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.' (Douglas Adams) ----- Original Message ---- From: charles christ To: Mike/Donna Carpenter ; Awgertoo at aol.com; ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com; vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 9:34:38 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] (no subject) a 45 minute tow versus a 9 hour tow dictated my decision this past weekend. i ran weatherly hillclimb and while hurting my car(mechaniclaicaly) , had more fun than the gas bill towing to one of my favorite tracks VIR could have been. fuel cost , to tow has over shadowed entry fees or distances in my case. i'd rather been at VIR!!!!! i fear that is what evryone has been experiencing is fuel prices , it really gripes me. i have the equiptment , and the gas prices are so high i'm cutting back my involvement in what i love due to the prices of literlally "getting there"! at one time entry prices "bothered" me. now it's darn gas prices to tow too an event and home! we apologise for not being there and offering the hospitalitality we offer fellow competitors! saab 93F #251 -----Original Message----- >From: Mike/Donna Carpenter >Sent: Jun 9, 2008 8:35 AM >To: Awgertoo at aol.com, ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com, vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] (no subject) > > There would have been alot more in your class and the other classes > had this been two years ago. There were so many vast empty spaces in > the paddock that use to be full. > > I sincerely hope that Beaverun and PVGP has the highest turnouts ever > as I will for sure be there. I doubt that I go back to VIR as it has > shrunk considerably in the last two years and it is just the factor of > the drive and to watch modern (muscle) cars 1999 and newer out on > track kind of blew it. I choose to go to vintage races to see vintage > race cars - that is '50s and '60s model cars. > > I was with some friends while at VIR and their consensus turned out to > be that the air show was better than the races. The air show actually > was pretty cool. However, in the past that was not needed as their > was so many neat sports racers and exotic early racers to look at. > > I am not saying this to dis VIR as I have been there so many times and > I like the race track. It just hurts to see it dying down along with > the stupidity that occurred at Summit Point for the last two years. > For the last two years, Mid-Ohio has not had near the turnout that it > use to either. I hope that this pattern ends and things pick back up. You are subscribed as jimf42 at rocketmail.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From peter at peterkrause.net Mon Jun 9 10:16:31 2008 From: peter at peterkrause.net (Peter L. Krause) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races Message-ID: Gee Mike, sorry you got out of the wrong side of bed this morning! I found the 180-odd entrants at VIR this past weekend to be quite satisfactory. That and the presence of several rare and unusual Lola T-70 Spiders (3, at last count), thirty-five million dollars worth of Ferraris RACING (including one of 36 250 GTO's, a sight rarely seen outside of Monterey) and the close racing of a dozen cars in more than one race group covered by less than a second in lap times to be pretty much what I want to see when I go to the races... Yes, the heat was a pain, but the lap times were pretty quick and people seemed to be smiling anyway. Sure, Historic stock cars are not everyone's cup of tea, just as thirty year old Sports 2000 cars may not be either, but at least in the S2 race, the top three were covered by less than three tenths of a second and the second group of FOUR cars had a margin of victory of less than twenty-THOUSANDTHS of a second! Hah! A good class of twelve of those cars alone, would have been great to have Jim F. there with us! There were three race groups with at least twenty-eight entries and the Formula Vee and Bugeye Sprite races were not to be missed. The Ve race was won on the last turn of the last lap. Margin of victory less than a tenth. I'm sure BeaveRun will at least meet it's turnout of the ten to twelve dozen cars over the last two years, thanks to the diligent efforts of race chair Ralph Steinberg and the Mid-Ohio SVRA event will be fine, too. I find it interesting that in spite of gas prices, people still race just as avidly. SVRA Savannah was up 10%, VDCA VIR was up 33% and VSCCA VIR was up 50% over last year. Gold Cup was down, but that is to be expected after the huge 50th anniversary promotion last year. Only two out of nine years of Gold Cup entry numbers have been higher than this year. I heard this past weekend that Steve Earle is likely passing on renewing his contract for Labor Day at Lime Rock (probably a good thing since his "vision" does not embrace "the great unwashed" culture of the East ) and that VRG and Brian Redman are definitely on for May of next year at Summit Point. The future sounds pretty good to me, Mike. -Peter -- Peter Krause www.peterkrause.net (919) 740-1871 "The Driver is the Greatest Performance Variable in the Racing Equation." From mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com Mon Jun 9 10:49:08 2008 From: mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com (Mike/Donna Carpenter) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 12:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races Message-ID: <24202073.1213030148959.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Peter, I am very thankful to hear your opinion and insight. I may have met you before but it was brief. I have seen your race cars a gazillion times at various tracks. I have to admit that I hung out with the Ferarris and Maserati a good part of saturday. They were/are absolutely stunning to say the least. How did you calculate the $35 mil of value. I know that the 250GT is quite valuable and even moreso the 250GTO. I didn't know that they went up that much in value. Yep, the historic stock cars were boring. I still hope to get to Mid-Ohio this year. It is interesting to see actual numbers and percentages. I was just going by the feel of the paddock and empty spaces. It just hurts me to see it slow down a bit. I am sure that you understand what I mean. You have to be a bigger fan than I as you have been involved for longer. I would love to see Summit Point come back with the SVRA Blue/gray challenge and the Jefferson 500 etc. Those events were what dreams are made of to me. Again thanks very much for your input. I value it and I am sure that others on this list find this interesting also! Mike Carpenter -----Original Message----- >From: "Peter L. Krause" >Sent: Jun 9, 2008 12:16 PM >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net, "Rharring at Idirect. Com" >Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races > >Gee Mike, sorry you got out of the wrong side of bed this morning! >I found the 180-odd entrants at VIR this past weekend to be quite >satisfactory. That and the presence of several rare and unusual Lola T-70 >Spiders (3, at last count), thirty-five million dollars worth of Ferraris >RACING (including one of 36 250 GTO's, a sight rarely seen outside of >Monterey) and the close racing of a dozen cars in more than one race group >covered by less than a second in lap times to be pretty much what I want to >see when I go to the races... Yes, the heat was a pain, but >the lap times were pretty quick and people seemed to be smiling anyway. > >Sure, Historic stock cars are not everyone's cup of tea, just as thirty year >old Sports 2000 cars may not be either, but at least in the S2 race, the top >three were covered by less than three tenths of a second and the second >group of FOUR cars had a margin of victory of less than twenty-THOUSANDTHS >of a second! Hah! A good class of twelve of those cars alone, would have >been great to have Jim F. there with us! > >There were three race groups with at least twenty-eight entries and the >Formula Vee and Bugeye Sprite races were not to be missed. The Ve race was >won on the last turn of the last lap. Margin of victory less than a tenth. > >I'm sure BeaveRun will at least meet it's turnout of the ten to twelve dozen >cars over the last two years, thanks to the diligent efforts of race chair >Ralph Steinberg and the Mid-Ohio SVRA event will be fine, too. > >I find it interesting that in spite of gas prices, people still race just as >avidly. SVRA Savannah was up 10%, VDCA VIR was up 33% and VSCCA VIR was up >50% over last year. Gold Cup was down, but that is to be expected after the >huge 50th anniversary promotion last year. Only two out of nine years of >Gold Cup entry numbers have been higher than this year. > >I heard this past weekend that Steve Earle is likely passing on renewing his >contract for Labor Day at Lime Rock (probably a good thing since his >"vision" does not embrace "the great unwashed" culture of the East ) >and that VRG and Brian Redman are definitely on for May of next year at >Summit Point. > >The future sounds pretty good to me, Mike. > >-Peter > >-- >Peter Krause >www.peterkrause.net >(919) 740-1871 >"The Driver is the Greatest Performance Variable in the Racing Equation." ________________________________________ PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com From JWoesvra at aol.com Mon Jun 9 11:14:23 2008 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:14:23 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races Message-ID: In a message dated 6/9/2008 12:50:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mail4carpenters at peoplepc.com writes: I would love to see Summit Point come back with the SVRA Blue/gray challenge The B/G challenge will never come back Mike. At least not with SVRA. We did it for 11 years and by the sixth or seventh time, people did not respond. Then the track got really screwie and we pulled the plug on the whole thing. We tried to revive the B/G theme at VIR, but nobody could relate. Cherish the memories. Jack Woehrle **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?&NCID=aolfod00030000000002) From peter at peterkrause.net Mon Jun 9 11:35:13 2008 From: peter at peterkrause.net (Peter L. Krause) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:35:13 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races In-Reply-To: <24202073.1213030148959.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <24202073.1213030148959.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Mike, I'm glad you came and glad you follow this sport. It is not static and the mix of the cars and people change all the time, as much as I pine for the "good old days." The combined value for the Ferrari cars in attendance is based on the fact that no Series 1 250 GTO's have been sold other than by private treaty for several years and the most recent I know of sold for between $23M and $25M to racer in the Pacific Northwest for use in the Ferrari Historic Challenge. With the volatility in the financial markets and the great growth in wealth of the very rich, these cars have now assumed "art object" status and are considered safe places to "park" money. It is our great fortune that there are still wonderful collectors and racers like Anthony and Lulu Wang, Bob Bodin, John Giordano, Jim and Sandra McNeil and Robert Dusek (and that's just SOME of the extraordinary East Coast crowd) that have owned these cars for a LONG time and choose to share them with us. The 250 GT LWB Interim (looks like a 250 GT SWB with a quarter window) is right at $3.5M and a comp SWB like the one present sold recently for $6.5M, hence a $33M-$35M total. Of course, add the Maserati 300S on for another $3M and there's no debate! See you at Mid-Ohio. I'll be the one in the paddock in a tie... From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Mon Jun 9 13:34:25 2008 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 15:34:25 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races References: <24202073.1213030148959.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Peter, A Bow tie? Roger -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter L. Krause Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 1:35 PM To: Mike/Donna Carpenter Cc: Rharring at Idirect. Com; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] VIR and other vintage races Mike, I'm glad you came and glad you follow this sport. It is not static and the mix of the cars and people change all the time, as much as I pine for the "good old days." The combined value for the Ferrari cars in attendance is based on the fact that no Series 1 250 GTO's have been sold other than by private treaty for several years and the most recent I know of sold for between $23M and $25M to racer in the Pacific Northwest for use in the Ferrari Historic Challenge. With the volatility in the financial markets and the great growth in wealth of the very rich, these cars have now assumed "art object" status and are considered safe places to "park" money. It is our great fortune that there are still wonderful collectors and racers like Anthony and Lulu Wang, Bob Bodin, John Giordano, Jim and Sandra McNeil and Robert Dusek (and that's just SOME of the extraordinary East Coast crowd) that have owned these cars for a LONG time and choose to share them with us. The 250 GT LWB Interim (looks like a 250 GT SWB with a quarter window) is right at $3.5M and a comp SWB like the one present sold recently for $6.5M, hence a $33M-$35M total. Of course, add the Maserati 300S on for another $3M and there's no debate! See you at Mid-Ohio. I'll be the one in the paddock in a tie... You are subscribed as rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From RRyan at frk.com Thu Jun 12 17:35:07 2008 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 16:35:07 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DDF27F69@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Hi everyone, We have a request for info on a racer from the 50s and 60s. Please respond directly to Andrew. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) _____ From: Andrew Hall [mailto:andrew at hallandbradfield.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:26 PM To: Ryan, Richard Subject: Andrew Hall Request Dear Dick, I was given your e mail address by Scott George/Peter Blackford from the Collier Collection who said that you may be able to help me. I hope that`s OK! I am researching something to do with a chap called Perry Boswell who was active in the SCCA in Florida in the 50s and 60s in various cars, mainly MGs. I gather that he is sadly no longer with us but that he had 2 children called Perry Jr and Diane and I would love to be able to speak with either or both of them. Can you help me? Its only old car stuff but nonetheless interesting to me! I Look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Andrew Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Thu Jun 12 18:55:36 2008 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 20:55:36 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell References: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DDF27F69@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Message-ID: That name rang a bell. I think he had one of the first Lester MGs in the US. Roger -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net on behalf of Ryan, Richard Sent: Thu 6/12/2008 7:35 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Cc: andrew at hallandbradfield.co.uk Subject: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell Hi everyone, We have a request for info on a racer from the 50s and 60s. Please respond directly to Andrew. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) _____ From: Andrew Hall [mailto:andrew at hallandbradfield.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:26 PM To: Ryan, Richard Subject: Andrew Hall Request Dear Dick, I was given your e mail address by Scott George/Peter Blackford from the Collier Collection who said that you may be able to help me. I hope that`s OK! I am researching something to do with a chap called Perry Boswell who was active in the SCCA in Florida in the 50s and 60s in various cars, mainly MGs. I gather that he is sadly no longer with us but that he had 2 children called Perry Jr and Diane and I would love to be able to speak with either or both of them. Can you help me? Its only old car stuff but nonetheless interesting to me! I Look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Andrew Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. You are subscribed as rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From tmccorm2 at nycap.rr.com Thu Jun 12 20:17:20 2008 From: tmccorm2 at nycap.rr.com (Tom McCormack) Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:17:20 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell References: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DDF27F69@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Message-ID: <001d01c8ccfb$9c6ce920$b2355c18@home> Mr. Boswell is reported as the first US owner of kur4 the first purpose built racer by Harry Lester. There is a picture of him in the Lester that was published in an early MGCC piece. This is the car usually referred to as the Duncan Black car but it actually passed first to Don Millians then to Duncan (then to James Miller and on to Doug Schirripa/myself ). Mr Millians described Mr. Boswell as an early enthousiast for sportscars in the Baltimore/Washington region but not a racer. Possibly in law/realty. Also recalled as moving to fla. tom mccormack----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Sieling" To: "Ryan, Richard" ; Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell > That name rang a bell. I think he had one of the first Lester MGs in the > US. > > Roger > > > -----Original Message----- > From: vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net on behalf > of > Ryan, Richard > Sent: Thu 6/12/2008 7:35 PM > To: vintage-race at autox.team.net > Cc: andrew at hallandbradfield.co.uk > Subject: [Vintage-race] Request for info on Perry Boswell > > Hi everyone, > > > > We have a request for info on a racer from the 50s and 60s. Please > respond directly to Andrew. > > > > Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) > > Director of Global Insurance Management > > Franklin Templeton Investments > > One Franklin Parkway 960/4 > > San Mateo CA 94403-1906 > > Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) > > _____ > > From: Andrew Hall [mailto:andrew at hallandbradfield.co.uk] > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:26 PM > To: Ryan, Richard > Subject: Andrew Hall Request > > > > Dear Dick, > > > > I was given your e mail address by Scott George/Peter Blackford from > the Collier Collection who said that you may be able to help me. I hope > that`s OK! > > > > I am researching something to do with a chap called Perry Boswell who > was active in the SCCA in Florida in the 50s and 60s in various cars, > mainly MGs. I gather that he is sadly no longer with us but that he had > 2 children called Perry Jr and Diane and I would love to be able to > speak with either or both of them. Can you help me? Its only old car > stuff but nonetheless interesting to me! > > > > I Look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Andrew > > > > > > Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to > or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, > monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized > law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. > You are subscribed as rogsie at telesistech.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as tmccorm2 at nycap.rr.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mccormackrr at yahoo.com Sun Jun 15 06:14:03 2008 From: mccormackrr at yahoo.com (Mack McCormack) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:14:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Verizon cell service at VIR Message-ID: <89016.4135.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hello All: Cell service at VIR is unbelievably poor for those of us with Verizon service. I have made multiple calls to Verizon and spoke to some very sympathetic people. I was told that at VIR, there are no Verizon towers but rather service comes from their partners' towers (names of partners not specified). If a lot of people are trying to make calls all at the same time (which is the case at VIR) then the tower becomes overburdened and the phone searches for the next closest tower for a signal, when in fact there are no "next closest towers". I was told that Verizon is always expanding their service and if they receive enough input about a specific area they will address it promptly. The Verizon representative suggested having as many Verizon customers as possible send an email to Verizon (instructions below) stating their dissatisfaction with the cell service at VIR and requesting that it be improved. She also suggested including the address of the track to help them pinpoint the specific area. She was quite firm that if enough people write that something will happen sooner rather than later to improve the service. Soall you Verizon customers out there who are completely frustrated at not being able to use your cell phone at VIR.please send them an email! It only takes a few minutes, and this is how you can do it: Go to www.verizonwireless.com At the top, click on "contact us" Enter your zip code and click next Under "send us an email" click on the type of Verizon customer you are Fill in the required info (name, email address, etc.) Under "topic" click on "network and coverage" Under "subtopic" click on "report service issue" Your email should state that you have very limited cell service (or none, if you're like me) at VIR and you would be very happy if the situation could be improved by having a Verizon tower at the track. I was told that if you could include the address of the track it would be very helpful to them. The address of the track is 1245 Pine Tree Road, Alton, VA 24520. Can't hurt...might help Mack From twobees at sprynet.com Sun Jun 15 18:29:57 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 20:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Verizon cell service at VIR In-Reply-To: <89016.4135.qm@web43133.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002501c8cf48$1b66b550$66451645@normoffice> These days, Verizon doesn't care much about customers, or so it seems. I've been a Verizon, & prior to their formation, Bell Atlantic, wireless customer since 1989. On Nov. 29, 2006, I bought a new phone, an LG Chocolate so it would synch with the Bluetooth system in my car. By February 28, 2007, I had to replace it as the screen would turn white even when off. By September 28, 2007 that LG Chocolate had gone bad -- the vibration feature didn't work. At that time the original model Chocolate had been replaced. SO, in replacing that phone I had to buy a new battery for $50.00 to fit the new model. Now (June 2008), the screen on that Chocolate has gone bad -- it is usually blank. Only on rare occasions does it show anything. Discussions with staff at the Verizon kiosk in Circuit City, The Verizon store in Clearwater (FL) & with Verizon Customer Service by phone have only led to one option--my being charged $50, plus tax for a new phone. By calling LG, I learned that they have a 15-month warrantee on the Chocolate. So, here is the bottom line--I am being charged $50 to replace a piece of 8-1/2 month-old defective equipment that, for Verizon, is covered by warrantee for another 6-1/2 months. And, that despite the fact that I have been a customer for almost 20 years. Now that they have purchased Alltel, I guess we can expect them to treat their customers with even more disdain. My contract with VZ expires in a few months. Anyone have a recommendation for a service to replace them and that gets service at tracks like VIR & Lime Rock? Norm Sippel From sevenamerica at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 06:21:09 2008 From: sevenamerica at yahoo.com (John Donohoe) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 05:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Lotus Seven Swirl Pot Solution/Source? Message-ID: <486344.7534.qm@web32708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Greetings fellows! Does anybody have a good solution to a continually failing swirl pot on a high performance road going Seven (1700cc)? I see Caterham supply one thru Rocky Mountain, but does anybody know the build quality/durability of that part? Asking for a friend who's not often online... Cheers, John D. From mccormackrr at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 16:09:32 2008 From: mccormackrr at yahoo.com (Mack McCormack) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Verizon cell service at VIR In-Reply-To: <740c31620806160520h9487c1x3fc7fb7db6fdccf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <83640.97474.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jon: Yes, you are correct. Also Summit Point and Mosport. I included all four in my email to Verizon. We'll see what happens. The more people that tell them, the more likely something will change. Can't hurt, might help. Worth a try. Mack Jonathan Einhorn wrote: Just to let you know that Verizon doesn't have service at Lime Rock or in that part of Connecticut, nothwithstanding their advertising. jon einhorn BJ8 etc. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Norm 2Bs wrote: These days, Verizon doesn't care much about customers, or so it seems. I've been a Verizon, & prior to their formation, Bell Atlantic, wireless customer since 1989. On Nov. 29, 2006, I bought a new phone, an LG Chocolate so it would synch with the Bluetooth system in my car. By February 28, 2007, I had to replace it as the screen would turn white even when off. By September 28, 2007 that LG Chocolate had gone bad -- the vibration feature didn't work. At that time the original model Chocolate had been replaced. SO, in replacing that phone I had to buy a new battery for $50.00 to fit the new model. Now (June 2008), the screen on that Chocolate has gone bad -- it is usually blank. Only on rare occasions does it show anything. Discussions with staff at the Verizon kiosk in Circuit City, The Verizon store in Clearwater (FL) & with Verizon Customer Service by phone have only led to one option--my being charged $50, plus tax for a new phone. By calling LG, I learned that they have a 15-month warrantee on the Chocolate. So, here is the bottom line--I am being charged $50 to replace a piece of 8-1/2 month-old defective equipment that, for Verizon, is covered by warrantee for another 6-1/2 months. And, that despite the fact that I have been a customer for almost 20 years. Now that they have purchased Alltel, I guess we can expect them to treat their customers with even more disdain. My contract with VZ expires in a few months. Anyone have a recommendation for a service to replace them and that gets service at tracks like VIR & Lime Rock? Norm Sippel You are subscribed as jnhorn at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race -- Jonathan J. Einhorn, Esq. Attorney & Counselor at Law 412 Orange Street New Haven, CT. 06511 tel: 203-7777-3777 einhornlawoffice at gmail.com fax: 203-782-1721 cell: 203-623-7373 From lawtonmk at yahoo.com Mon Jun 16 20:25:03 2008 From: lawtonmk at yahoo.com (Michael Lawton) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 19:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Verizon cell service at VIR In-Reply-To: <83640.97474.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <801299.63342.qm@web51901.mail.re2.yahoo.com> AT&T covers Limerock very well with a site at the track, next to the Skippy classrooms. I seem to recall no coverage at VIR, though.   If you want to know who covers what, most of the carrier websites have coverage maps and they are getting better about showing the "real truth" recently. T-Mobile has been the first to show actual coverage with their "Personal Coverage Check", and the others are following slowly.   Don't pay any attention to the geek in the VZ commercials. No data behind his marketing.   Mike --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Mack McCormack <mccormackrr at yahoo.com> wrote: From: Mack McCormack <mccormackrr at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Verizon cell service at VIR To: "Jonathan Einhorn" <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com>, twobees at sprynet.com Cc: "Vintage Racing Digest" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>, "Mack McCormack" <mccormackrr at yahoo.com> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 6:09 PM Jon: Yes, you are correct. Also Summit Point and Mosport. I included all four in my email to Verizon. We'll see what happens. The more people that tell them, the more likely something will change. Can't hurt, might help. Worth a try. Mack Jonathan Einhorn <einhornlawoffice at gmail.com> wrote: Just to let you know that Verizon doesn't have service at Lime Rock or in that part of Connecticut, nothwithstanding their advertising. jon einhorn BJ8 etc. On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Norm 2Bs <twobees at sprynet.com> wrote: These days, Verizon doesn't care much about customers, or so it seems. I've been a Verizon, & prior to their formation, Bell Atlantic, wireless customer since 1989. On Nov. 29, 2006, I bought a new phone, an LG Chocolate so it would synch with the Bluetooth system in my car. By February 28, 2007, I had to replace it as the screen would turn white even when off. By September 28, 2007 that LG Chocolate had gone bad -- the vibration feature didn't work. At that time the original model Chocolate had been replaced. SO, in replacing that phone I had to buy a new battery for $50.00 to fit the new model. Now (June 2008), the screen on that Chocolate has gone bad -- it is usually blank. Only on rare occasions does it show anything. Discussions with staff at the Verizon kiosk in Circuit City, The Verizon store in Clearwater (FL) & with Verizon Customer Service by phone have only led to one option--my being charged $50, plus tax for a new phone. By calling LG, I learned that they have a 15-month warrantee on the Chocolate. So, here is the bottom line--I am being charged $50 to replace a piece of 8-1/2 month-old defective equipment that, for Verizon, is covered by warrantee for another 6-1/2 months. And, that despite the fact that I have been a customer for almost 20 years. Now that they have purchased Alltel, I guess we can expect them to treat their customers with even more disdain. My contract with VZ expires in a few months. Anyone have a recommendation for a service to replace them and that gets service at tracks like VIR & Lime Rock? Norm Sippel You are subscribed as jnhorn at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race -- Jonathan J. Einhorn, Esq. Attorney & Counselor at Law 412 Orange Street New Haven, CT. 06511 tel: 203-7777-3777 einhornlawoffice at gmail.com fax: 203-782-1721 cell: 203-623-7373 You are subscribed as lawtonmk at yahoo.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From dmapes at erols.com Mon Jun 16 21:03:42 2008 From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes) Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Headers on a Mild V8 Message-ID: <200806170303.OTS21142@erols.com> Hi Folks, Just reworked the exhaust on my Dart which has a very mild 318 in it: Machine work by Dick Ott, Assembly by Joshua Skinner: - 0.030" Over 318 (322.5 Ci). - Steel Crank, Stock Rods, KB Flat Top - Pistons set to 0 Deck Hight. - Edlebrock LD4B Intake/750 CFM 4160 Holley. - Stock "302"/"swirl port" late 318 Heads. - Stock '66 273 Manifolds/3" single exhaust. - About 10.5:1 Compression (155 Psi cranking pressure indicates its more like 9.5:1). - Mechanical Cam by Oregon Cam Grinding, Inc.: Intake Exhaust Valve Lift 0.436" 0.436" Advertised Dur: 2620. 2620. Dur @ 0.05" Lift: 2190. 2190. Lobe Sep: 1100. Intake Center Line: 1060. - Ran 14.6 sec @ 95 MPH Got a FAX at work today from MPC showing the results from their SuperFlo chassis dyno: Baseline: TTI Headers/X-Pipe/Tune: RPM HP TQ A/F HP TQ ==== === === ===== === === 2326 72 164 2520 103 214 2817 12.65 130 243 3024 12.84 145 252 3054 144 247 3229 12.28 158 257 3255 154 249 OLD Peak Torque 3432 12.04 169 259.0 NEW Peak Torque 3501 12.06 172 258.9 3523 165 247 4039 184 240 4041 12.58 194 252 4510 195 227 4550 12.58 207 239 4621 196 222 OLD Peak HP 5046 194 202 5060 12.33 211 219 5341 12.42 212 208 NEW Peak HP 5522 191 181 5536 12.52 211 200 6002 12.54 204 179 6011 187 164 6225 181 153 6272 12.48 198 166 6309 12.47 196 164 ===== ===== ===== ===== ===== AVERAGE: 172.2 208.4 12.47 193.7 222.7 Or Graphically: http://users.erols.com/dmapes/DRTDYN02.JPG Old exhaust (Baselinr) was factory 66 A-body 273 Manifolds, Y-Pipe, and 3" single exhaust with a glass pack and a turn-down just ahead of the rear axle under the car, new exhaust is TTI step headers, 3" in/2.5" out X-Pipe, dual 2.5" glass packs dumping out from under the car just ahead of the rear wheels. Tuning changes on the dyno were the following: Ignition: started at 36* total, ended up at 38* total; Carb: started with 72 mains in the primarys, 76 mains in the secondarys and a plug in the secondary power valve well in the metering block; ended up with a secondary power valve and 68 mains all around. Based on the A/F I could probably drop another jet size all around, but it was a bad air day. The dyno operator said the new exhaust sounds really mean on the dyno under load. All the Best! Dave Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst Aging Racer & Thumb Pound...er...Rule Engineer http://www.lamehorseracing.com From sevenamerica at yahoo.com Mon Jun 23 13:51:57 2008 From: sevenamerica at yahoo.com (John Donohoe) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] SimpleSevens Summer Update! Message-ID: <545360.55458.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Summer everyone :-) Over the weekend I had some time to make a few updates to the web site - we had a gathering of Lotus Sevens (and a couple Caterhams) last month so there's a report with photos for that. Did you miss out on that last SCCA Seven that was offered for sale? Had the money in hand but it was sold when you got to it? Really wish it had been a road car? Well, believe it or not, another SCCA Seven is being offered for sale, so don;'t miss another chance at it! Another couple of updates on restoration projects rounds out the offering this time, so enjoy! AND, if anyone happens to have any trailer space going from Northern New Jersey area to anywhere near Michigan, I'm looking for a ride for a fiberglass hard top for my latest 7... a TR7 :-))) please contact me off list with condolences or if you can help with the transport - Thanks! Cheers, John Donohoe SimpleSevens.org From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Mon Jun 23 16:54:48 2008 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 18:54:48 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] BeaveRun update Message-ID: <001801c8d584$23a081a0$6ae184e0$@com> Most up to date groups have been posted at www.cloverleaf-auto.com just click the vintage race button and then the BeaveRun link. You can find everything there including the first rendition of our groups. See who you are running with. Ralph From racecar at baltimoreknife.com Fri Jun 27 11:07:51 2008 From: racecar at baltimoreknife.com (Kerry Stagmer) Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:07:51 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] tulsa OK? anyone? References: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DDF27F69@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> <001d01c8ccfb$9c6ce920$b2355c18@home> Message-ID: <002101c8d878$5592fa70$650fa8c0@emach1> Anyone out there in the Tulsa, OK area? I'm starting to worry about some Jaguar XKE parts(full front suspension) I purchased (and paid for) from a dealer out there. Company seems legit, just super slow on getting this to happen. If I can't get a fedex # from him in a couple days it would be nice to have someone 'drop by' and eyeball my bits! Its been a month now since the auction but we have been in occasional contact, he is very hard to reach. I do have lots of friends in Tulsa, but none are car guys. Thanks Kerry Stagmer