From twobees at sprynet.com Thu Jan 3 16:22:32 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:22:32 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa From WSpohn4 at aol.com Thu Jan 3 16:35:46 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:35:46 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: Well you can only use synthetic if you manage to get enough miles on an engine to break it IN, before just breaking it...:-) In a message dated 1/3/2008 3:23:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, twobees at sprynet.com writes: I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? From Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Thu Jan 3 16:40:04 2008 From: Ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 18:40:04 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> References: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> Message-ID: At 06:22 PM 1/3/2008, Norm 2Bs wrote: >I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do >NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing >newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since >1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY >use petroleum-based oils. > >What do you folks on the Digest use? > >Norm Sippel >'59 Turner >'60 Alfa I have used nothing but synthetic for years in my 1954 Jag and when I raced it my 59 MGA Twin Cam. We also ran synthetic in a pre-war SS jaguar and in a bunch of pre-war rally cars I use synthetic in my diff and gear box too and have used in it some off road stuff we did Ralph Steinberg From no_bozos at bellsouth.net Thu Jan 3 16:41:55 2008 From: no_bozos at bellsouth.net (John A. Rollins) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> Message-ID: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> I would say he needs to take a break from whatever is stressing him out. The type of oil used has very little to do with creating massive amounts of additional horsepower but a lot to do with making a motor last. A better discussion is that of the removal of the zinc and phosphor additives for the new formulations of most oil these days. That's causing a LOT of additional wear and more than a few engine failures... *8o) Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norm 2Bs Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:23 PM To: Vintage Racing Digest Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa From chris at cthompson.net Thu Jan 3 17:08:12 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 19:08:12 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> References: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> Message-ID: <477D78EC.4070005@cthompson.net> Ditto here - use synthetic everywhere, on my race cars, daily driver, car collection, tractor, and boat. I heard recently that oil marked as formulated for diesel engines still have the additives? Is that it? Old-timers disease setting in. Chris John A. Rollins wrote: > I would say he needs to take a break from whatever is stressing him out. > The type of oil used has very little to do with creating massive amounts of > additional horsepower but a lot to do with making a motor last. A better > discussion is that of the removal of the zinc and phosphor additives for the > new formulations of most oil these days. That's causing a LOT of additional > wear and more than a few engine failures... > > *8o) From milano164 at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 17:29:27 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:29:27 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <477D78EC.4070005@cthompson.net> References: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> <477D78EC.4070005@cthompson.net> Message-ID: Somewhere I read that Valvoline VR1, Royal Purple and a few others still had the protection/additives that help. My machinist really emphasizes using an oil with the Zinc and Phosphorous properties of the older formulas. He attributes early lifter/cam failure in race/performance motors to the newer formulas. Steve Silverstein From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Thu Jan 3 17:27:30 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 16:27:30 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? References: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> Message-ID: <022501c84e68$e88a4440$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> Norm, if your friend was talking about using synthetic brake fluid in vintage racers with 'European' natural rubber seals in the brake system I would say he's on track. However.... Bob Oker was using Steen C (then called "chemical lubricant") back in at least '57 and possibly earlier. The Bristol he is racing here (Paramount Ranch, 1957) and the Morgan he drove before the Bristol were both owned by Ed Savin (Savin Motors in East L.A., CA). Ed was the western US distributor for Steen C. There is Absolutely Nothing "NEWor MODERN" about "chemical lubricants" or "synthetic lubricants". In '57 and '58 when Bob drove for the Triumph factory at Sebring, after the Shell oil reps co-sponsoring the cars had inspected them they drained the "Shell" lubricants from the engine, trans and differentials and refilled them with Steen C. I would say it's a 50/50 split between petroleum lubricants and synthetics in todays 'historic' racers. I personally use Valvoline 20-50 Racing in my Lotus 61 formula Ford because its cheaper than synthetics and gets the job done. If petroleum lubricants didn't do the job I would switch over in a heartbeat. I think you need to take your friend to the local "watering hole" and buy him a double "Reality Check" on the rocks. I think he's filled his mouth with words before filling his brain with knowledge. Carl 61/FF/79 ----- Original Message ----- From: Norm 2Bs To: Vintage Racing Digest Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of ParRnchAC59BobOkerb.jpg] From milano164 at comcast.net Thu Jan 3 17:42:52 2008 From: milano164 at comcast.net (Steven silverstein) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:42:52 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: References: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> <477D78EC.4070005@cthompson.net> Message-ID: <7FCEC997-F973-495E-B2B5-2C34CB2229C9@comcast.net> Maybe this link is related to the recent discussion of formulation changes. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html I am not sure of the accuracy of the information but it might be worth reading more carefully. There are a number of links at the bottom of the page and answers to FAQs. Steve Silverstein From dmapes at erols.com Thu Jan 3 17:55:21 2008 From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:55:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: <6gr00g$fg74aa@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Yep, Been running synthetic in every vehicle I've owned since 1974 (Honda SL 100, Suzuki RM125B, '66 Mustang, 74 Dart, '66 Barracuda, '91 Impulse, '91 Sundance, '97 Cherokee, '96 Ducatti M900, '66 Dart, '05 Impreza). On the Mustang and Barracuda, the motors got run in on a chassis dyno so they had synthetic in the crank case from day one; I plan the same when the Dart gets its fresh 273. On ZDP, I've been adding Comp Cams break-in additive - one bottle to an 8 to 10 quart oil change (depends on which of the three). I usually use 20w50 Mobil 1 in the flat tappet V8s. This whole ZDP thing may lead me to use a roller cam in the Dart's new motor. At 06:41 PM 1/3/08 -0500, John A. Rollins wrote: >I would say he needs to take a break from whatever is stressing him out. >The type of oil used has very little to do with creating massive amounts of >additional horsepower but a lot to do with making a motor last. A better >discussion is that of the removal of the zinc and phosphor additives for the >new formulations of most oil these days. That's causing a LOT of additional >wear and more than a few engine failures... > >*8o) > >Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos > All the Best! Dave Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst US DHS-ICE, Washington, DC From pat at prismacars.com Thu Jan 3 17:55:41 2008 From: pat at prismacars.com (Pat Ryan) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 19:55:41 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <012301c84e62$3d0e2d80$c802a8c0@BOZO> Message-ID: <20080104005640.6289D187C43@autox.team.net> Hello all, I recently lost an expensive engine to a new formulation. You should know about it. John R is dead on. Mobile One made a formula change in the last year (mostly about removing zinc to comply with new EPA regs). They notified their distributors that the product should definitely not be used in racing activities but that info did not filter down to all users. As I was about to make the same mistake again in my replacement engine, the TrueSports guy told me that they no longer sell Mobile One for racing, based on advice from Mobile One. I researched the info and shared it with my engine builder and we now agree that Mobile One used to be an acceptable generic synthetic and we were saving money by using it instead of Red Line or Joe Gibbs oil. Unfortunately, it no longer can support racing stresses. Both Joe Gibbs and Brad Penn say that they still have the zinc, so we will use those from now on. Pat Ryan Camaro #15 SVRA -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+pat=prismacars.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+pat=prismacars.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John A. Rollins Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:42 PM To: twobees at sprynet.com; 'Vintage Racing Digest' Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I would say he needs to take a break from whatever is stressing him out. The type of oil used has very little to do with creating massive amounts of additional horsepower but a lot to do with making a motor last. A better discussion is that of the removal of the zinc and phosphor additives for the new formulations of most oil these days. That's causing a LOT of additional wear and more than a few engine failures... *8o) Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norm 2Bs Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:23 PM To: Vintage Racing Digest Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa You are subscribed as pat at prismacars.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From dmeadow at juno.com Thu Jan 3 17:54:16 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (dmeadow at juno.com) Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:54:16 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: <20080103.185603.3208.0.dmeadow@juno.com> I use only synthetics. I used to use Mobil 1 until they changed their formulas, now I use Royal Purple 20W-50, largely because it is easily obtainable. I use MTL in the gearbox and synthetic diff oil, as well. David Littlefield '74 MG Midget On Thu, 3 Jan 2008 18:22:32 -0500 "Norm 2Bs" writes: > I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage > racers do > NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been > racing > newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers > since > 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that > we ONLY > use petroleum-based oils. > > What do you folks on the Digest use? > > Norm Sippel > '59 Turner > '60 Alfa > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as dmeadow at juno.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chris at cthompson.net Thu Jan 3 18:38:02 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2008 20:38:02 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <022501c84e68$e88a4440$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> References: <002901c84e5f$847d1a30$64451645@normoffice> <022501c84e68$e88a4440$4001a8c0@lotus61mff> Message-ID: <477D8DFA.7040706@cthompson.net> Carl - you're talking about silicone brake fluid, right? You don't want to use that in ANY race car application - ask me how I know. But I've used it in my Sunbeam Tiger and Jaguar XKE (non race) for many years without any problems despite the "swelling seals" problem oft discussed...... Carl McLelland wrote: > Norm, if your friend was talking about using synthetic brake fluid in vintage > racers with 'European' natural rubber seals in the brake system I would say > he's on track. However.... From kelvinpalmer at worldnet.att.net Fri Jan 4 04:26:45 2008 From: kelvinpalmer at worldnet.att.net (Kelvin Palmer) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 05:26:45 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage-race Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From twobees at sprynet.com Fri Jan 4 07:14:18 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:14:18 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <7FCEC997-F973-495E-B2B5-2C34CB2229C9@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01c84edc$18992340$64451645@normoffice> Steve: I met Charles Navarro of LN Engineering at the Porsche Rennsport Reunion. We talked about this & the use of Brad Penn oil. Unfortunately, Charles is only one dealer & American Refining is doing little advertising. But, through networks like this digest, word is getting out. But, it seems one can only buy the oil by mail order from people like Charles. Norm Sippel -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+twobees=sprynet.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+twobees=sprynet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steven silverstein Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:43 PM Cc: Vintage Racing Digest Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Maybe this link is related to the recent discussion of formulation changes. http://www.lnengineering.com/oil.html I am not sure of the accuracy of the information but it might be worth reading more carefully. There are a number of links at the bottom of the page and answers to FAQs. Steve Silverstein _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as twobees at sprynet.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From twobees at sprynet.com Fri Jan 4 07:29:21 2008 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm 2Bs) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 09:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] FW: What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: <001b01c84ede$32912b60$64451645@normoffice> Larry asked me to forward this to the VR Digest as he wasn't able to. Last year, someone directed me to the Comp Cams site & I have since had a discussion with them confirming the zinc problem. Norm Sippel -----Original Message----- From: lwdent [mailto:lwdent at wildblue.net] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:47 PM To: twobees at sprynet.com Cc: lwdent; Vintage Racing Digest Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Here is the site for LN Engineering and their complete discussion on why oils have changed and why conventional oils are no longer good for our racing engines. www.lnengineering.com/oil.html Due to emissions needs the heavy metals have been removed, and these are the components that give good cam break in and long cam life. Why do you think that many of the major car mfg's have gone to roller tappet cams in their new V8 engines. It ain't to save production costs, it's to save warranty costs for wiped cam lobes. DUH!!! Crane makes a break in additive that is necessary if you are going to use conventional oil. It also aides cam break in and life with synth oil. It can be obtained from Jeggs. CompCam also has a very good paper in their web site concerning oils and additives. Cam life is the real problem cause a lobe can be lost in the first few minutes of operation of a new motor if the heavy metals are not in the oil. If you want to use oil, not synth, use Shell Rotella. It is a diesel formulation and still has the right stuff. Lots of others do not. Norm, I did a great deal of research on all this 6 months ago and offered to do an article in your new mag about it but never heard from you on the offer. HUM!!! Your friend is living in the past. He is dead wrong!!!!! He will pay for his ignorance with premature cam failures sometime. Perhaps not this engine, but certainly one in the future. This is not a case of "lets all pool our ignorance", as we so often do. Crane Cams and CompCams, two of the MAJOR cam manufacturers, both agree that there is a big potential problem with the latest formulation of standard oils with the latest designation. I forget what that is, but I knew when I offered to do the article. Bottom line is, it ain't the oil thats going to kill your cam early in life, it's the lack of proper additives, Zinc and Phosphorous. CHOW Larry Dent From Cbordin123 at aol.com Fri Jan 4 08:13:52 2008 From: Cbordin123 at aol.com (Cbordin123 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:13:52 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: I have been buying Brad Penn from: Munce's Lubricants 620 Main Street Gorham, NH 03581 800-715-4741 I got the name by calling Brad Penn direct and asking for the closes distributor to me. Munce's have been very helpful and ships UPS **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From Hsrrace at aol.com Fri Jan 4 14:10:02 2008 From: Hsrrace at aol.com (Hsrrace at aol.com) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2008 16:10:02 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Message-ID: Why would someone care? Sound like your friend has an problem admitting being wrong. I do not think it makes any difference in post-war cars. I imagine some of the pre-war guys use caster oil and other magic potions because of tradition. RacerJoe ************** Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From schaiken at comcast.net Sat Jan 5 09:45:32 2008 From: schaiken at comcast.net (Scott) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2008 11:45:32 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? In-Reply-To: <20080104005640.6289D187C43@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001301c84fba$63785140$090aa8c0@Venture> I have used only Redline product for oil, gear, rear-end for ten years.............. Scott Chaiken Lotus 7S1 #776, VSCCA -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+schaiken=comcast.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+schaiken=comcast.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Pat Ryan Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:56 PM To: 'John A. Rollins'; twobees at sprynet.com; 'Vintage Racing Digest' Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? Hello all, I recently lost an expensive engine to a new formulation. You should know about it. John R is dead on. Mobile One made a formula change in the last year (mostly about removing zinc to comply with new EPA regs). They notified their distributors that the product should definitely not be used in racing activities but that info did not filter down to all users. As I was about to make the same mistake again in my replacement engine, the TrueSports guy told me that they no longer sell Mobile One for racing, based on advice from Mobile One. I researched the info and shared it with my engine builder and we now agree that Mobile One used to be an acceptable generic synthetic and we were saving money by using it instead of Red Line or Joe Gibbs oil. Unfortunately, it no longer can support racing stresses. Both Joe Gibbs and Brad Penn say that they still have the zinc, so we will use those from now on. Pat Ryan Camaro #15 SVRA -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+pat=prismacars.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+pat=prismacars.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John A. Rollins Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:42 PM To: twobees at sprynet.com; 'Vintage Racing Digest' Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I would say he needs to take a break from whatever is stressing him out. The type of oil used has very little to do with creating massive amounts of additional horsepower but a lot to do with making a motor last. A better discussion is that of the removal of the zinc and phosphor additives for the new formulations of most oil these days. That's causing a LOT of additional wear and more than a few engine failures... *8o) Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+no_bozos=bellsouth.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norm 2Bs Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 6:23 PM To: Vintage Racing Digest Subject: [Vintage-race] What Oil Do You Use? I had a conversation recently with a guy who insists that vintage racers do NOT use synthetic oil. I told him, in that case, I must have been racing newer cars as I have been using synthetic oil in my vintage racers since 1999 once the engines have been broken-in. But, he is adamant that we ONLY use petroleum-based oils. What do you folks on the Digest use? Norm Sippel '59 Turner '60 Alfa You are subscribed as pat at prismacars.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chkangmd at earthlink.net Thu Jan 10 23:02:00 2008 From: chkangmd at earthlink.net ( christopher h. kang, md) Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:02:00 -0800 (GMT-08:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] fuel at laguna? Message-ID: <4889560.1200031320916.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> i've signed up for a test/track day at laguna seca. it's been 3yrs since I ran there. doesn't anyone know if the fuel pumps are now self service w a regular credit card? i recall last time a track person had to pump or one needed a special fuel card. i figure to get gas as usual at one of the mexican eateries in Salinas. fyi i'm recieve the vintage list via digest form so a direct email response first goes to the spam blocker, which i then get the message. thanks christopher From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Fri Jan 11 10:07:08 2008 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2008 09:07:08 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] fuel at laguna? In-Reply-To: <4889560.1200031320916.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <4889560.1200031320916.JavaMail.root@elwamui-cypress.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4787A23C.7090301@norcal-saac.org> Laguna has leaded and unleaded race gas and the pumps take VISA/MasterCard etc..... been that way for at least 5 years.... -- Regards -------------- Walt Boeninger mailto:webmaster at norcal-saac.org http://boeninger.net http://shelbytransam.com christopher h. kang, md wrote: > i've signed up for a test/track day at laguna seca. it's been 3yrs since I ran there. doesn't anyone know if the fuel pumps are now self service w a regular credit card? i recall last time a track person had to pump or one needed a special fuel card. i figure to get gas as usual at one of the mexican eateries in Salinas. > > fyi i'm recieve the vintage list via digest form so a direct email response first goes to the spam blocker, which i then get the message. > > thanks > > christopher > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as webmaster at norcal-saac.org > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From wsthompson at thicko.com Thu Jan 24 18:10:18 2008 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:10:18 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] John Sprinzel's "Spritely Years" book Message-ID: <023701c85eef$0f5c48c0$2e14da40$@com> Here's your chance to get a copy of a book long out of print. Original copies have gone for hundreds of dollars on Ebay. John Sprinzel has reprinted "Spritely Years" after buying the rights and the acetates back from Haynes. This is a "must have" for anyone interested in Sprites, Healeys, Triumph, Ford, rallying, and a host of other cars John drove during his career. It's an honest, informative, funny look at John's life as a driver, tuner, manufacturer, etc. Only 500 copies were produced for the 50th Sprite year anniversary, so that they will still be fairly rare. He is selling them autographed at $65 including postage in the US ($71.00 overseas) . His address is P.O. Box 97 Kaunakakai HI 96748 John's e-mail address for this is johnsebring65 at gmail.com . He does have Paypal, (though he says, "I am not yet too sure how it all works"), otherwise US check or money order will do the trick. He'll have a few copies at the Sprite deal in May, and Tom Coulthard (co-author) might be there to sign them as well. Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From Awgertoo at aol.com Tue Jan 29 19:57:32 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 21:57:32 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] Carolina Motorsports Park info Message-ID: I'm going to the VDCA event at Carolina Motorsports Park next month and need some opinions on gearing. I've heard the track described as 'short" but in looking at the website I see that the front straight between turn 14 and turn 1 is 1550' long and the straight between #'s 7 and 8 is 1800 feet long with only a very slight kink, plus I understand that the turn 5-7 complex has been made faster. Can anyone compare recommended gearing to, say VIR or even Roebling Road? Would the same gearing hold for CMS or should I be using one notch shorter differential ratio? Thanks in advance for any help. Best--Michael Oritt **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 From peter at peterkrause.net Wed Jan 30 12:05:02 2008 From: peter at peterkrause.net (Peter Krause) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 14:05:02 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] CMP Message-ID: Mike, you have mail. -- Peter Krause www.peterkrause.net (919) 740-1871 "The driver is the single greatest variable in the racing performance equation." From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed Jan 30 13:33:14 2008 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:33:14 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] SVRA Mid Ohio Event Message-ID: <00a801c8637f$56c29bd0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hey all, I expect everyone is busy planning their 2008 race season now. You should think seriously about attending the SVRA June 26th to 29th event at Mid Ohio because the "Nazis" are gone! I believe it was in 2004 that the security at MO was named the Mid Ohio "Nazis". Lots of people pissed off about the lack of compassion from the security staff, making it unpleasant for us racers. At the 2005 event Michelle Truman met with some of us to get our feedback about the problems. She explained that their security staff was treating our vintage race like one of their large spectator pro events which was probably the problem. I missed the 2006 event, but heard from friends that had been at the meeting with Michelle the previous year that it was much better. Apparently their security guy was canned and they were much more helpful and accommodating to us vintage racers. Last year I attended the event and was pleasantly surprised to see lots of young coeds out directing traffic with big smiles on their faces and friendly waves. No hassles at all. I know some of you swore you would never go back, and voiced your displeasure by your lack of attendance. But you ought to reconsider as the "Nazis" are gone! And... Mid Ohio is one of the nicest tracks in the county!! Vroom, vroom, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From mra at sympatico.ca Sun Jan 27 14:04:25 2008 From: mra at sympatico.ca (Mike Rosen) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 16:04:25 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] CANADA CLASS SPECIAL FOR SALE Message-ID: <479CF1D9.702@sympatico.ca> *FOR SALE: 1958 V.A.Y. Canada Class Special.* *Your chance to own a piece of Canadian racing history! *One of only three original Canada Class cars still racing. 1958/59 Canada Class Champion with 24 class wins. Huge file of documentation, articles, photos including race results in 1959 Vol.1 #1 Canada Track & Traffic. Photos of the car under construction in 1958, and at the track throughout the years. This is a car for the racer who really appreciates the ideals of Vintage Racing i.e. it's not the fastest car around but it is competitive with some Sprites and other small-bore cars. It's easy to drive, handles beautifully and on a really good day (for the car and the driver) has gone through corners One and Two at Mosport without lifting. It's a perfect car for the Vintage Racing beginner ... it's a joy to drive -- or for someone who wants to take a step back to an earlier period of Vintage Racing. Either way, it's distinctive looking, memorable and has just enough quirks to remind you what building and racing Specials was like in the late '50s Read BS Levy's article from Vintage Motorsport (one of the attachments I'll send) to get an idea of what it's like to drive. The V.A.Y. has raced with VARAC since 1994 in period (1958) Canada Class configuration with a 948cc (+60) A-series engine. Original 918cc Morris Minor flathead (blocks/internals etc.) and gearbox/rear axle etc. come with the sale. Engine just freshened, new brakes (10" drums all around), good set of Dunlop race tires: L4.50 x15 front, L5.00x15 rear. Accepted everywhere. Older VSCCA and current CASC logbooks included. Car is in Toronto. *$25,000 CDN.* For a few of the many photos & a sample of original documents contact: *Mike Rosen at mra at sympatico.ca 416-487-8166 eve., 416-675-6622 x3010 day* Car will be available mid February after engine is reinstalled. Comes complete with an unworn V.A.Y. hat -- last one without sweat stains -- seriously. From jpetrush at sc.rr.com Wed Jan 30 17:55:08 2008 From: jpetrush at sc.rr.com (John P) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 19:55:08 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] SVRA Mid Ohio Event In-Reply-To: <00a801c8637f$56c29bd0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <00a801c8637f$56c29bd0$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <000901c863a3$ed7165b0$c8543110$@rr.com> I was at the 2004 event and am among the many who decided too much was enough and it would be a cold day on hell Mid-Ohio ever saw my smiling face again. The "Nazis" gone you say? Michelle actually opened an ear and listened, and then acted appropriately? Well, well...stranger things sure have happened. Well Jeff, I will take you at your word and plan accordingly. I fell in love with Mid-O the first time I saw it. I have raced it many times, am always thrilled by the place, always learn something new and am humbled by this glorious track. I have not raced Road America, but I believe that is the only other track in this half of America that could possibly give Mid-O a run. We shall see because forever is too long to wait.... > Jeff Snook spake over the 'net thusly: > Hey all, > > I expect everyone is busy planning their 2008 race season now. You should > think seriously about attending the SVRA June 26th to 29th event at Mid Ohio > because the "Nazis" are gone! > > I believe it was in 2004 that the security at MO was named the Mid Ohio > "Nazis". Lots of people pissed off ...." From bob at harringtonphoto.ca Wed Jan 30 20:37:03 2008 From: bob at harringtonphoto.ca (Bob Harrington) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:37:03 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: SVRA Mid Ohio Event Message-ID: <01ef01c863ba$9d814220$6401a8c0@BHARRINGTON> From: "Bob Harrington" Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] SVRA Mid Ohio Event I have to put in a plug for Mosport. Never have been "Pit Nazis" great hospitality, F1, Can-Am, USAC and on and on have all run there. Two great parties, free camping and lots of track time. This year, Can-Am is featured along with the 50th anniversary of Sprites. It is also on the Lola Heritage Groups list of World wide events featuring the fiftieth anniversary of Lola. Mark June 20-22 on your calendar NOW. It is a don't miss event Bob H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P" To: "'Vintage Race List'" Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] SVRA Mid Ohio Event > > >>I was at the 2004 event and am among the many who decided too much was >> enough and it would be a cold day on hell Mid-Ohio ever saw my smiling >> face >> again. The "Nazis" gone you say? Michelle actually opened an ear and >> listened, and then acted appropriately? Well, well...stranger things >> sure >> have happened. Well Jeff, I will take you at your word and plan >> accordingly. I fell in love with Mid-O the first time I saw it. I have >> raced it many times, am always thrilled by the place, always learn >> something >> new and am humbled by this glorious track. I have not raced Road >> America, >> but I believe that is the only other track in this half of America that >> could possibly give Mid-O a run. We shall see because forever is too >> long >> to wait.... From dmeadow at juno.com Thu Jan 31 18:05:57 2008 From: dmeadow at juno.com (dmeadow at juno.com) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:05:57 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: SVRA Mid Ohio Event Message-ID: <20080131.191042.3024.2.dmeadow@juno.com> OK, here's the deal. Let's do BOTH Mosport and Mid-Ohio! They are bookend weekends. Spridget drivers take note, BOTH events have Sprite features that will include Midgets. Mosport also has the Simms Cup for MGs. Take a Midget to Mosport and get into TWO feature races (plus the regular race group). Mid-Ohio will have a Sprite feature, as well. I'm looking for someone to share the towing duties and expenses from south Texas. I've got space in the trailer for your car and mine and a diesel pickup to tow it all. I'd drive up to Mosport, then to Mid-Ohio, you'd drive the rig home (I'll fly), we split fuel costs. Don't have a race Midget? I'll sell you one! I've got a highly competitive one that is looking for a home. Any takers?? David Littlefield Houston, TX On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:37:03 -0500 "Bob Harrington" writes: > From: "Bob Harrington" > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] SVRA Mid Ohio Event > > > I have to put in a plug for Mosport. Never have been "Pit Nazis" > great > hospitality, F1, Can-Am, USAC and on and on have all run there. > Two great > parties, free camping and lots of track time. This year, Can-Am is > > featured > along with the 50th anniversary of Sprites. It is also on the Lola > > Heritage > Groups list of World wide events featuring the fiftieth anniversary > of > Lola. > Mark June 20-22 on your calendar NOW. It is a don't miss event > Bob H.