From RRyan at frk.com Tue Dec 2 07:57:27 2008 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 06:57:27 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] Vintage Formula Vee Run Group At Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca in April 2009 References: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD023EB0D6@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD01F57054@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> THE 2009 46th VINTAGE VEE BIRTHDAY PARTY AT MAZDA RACEWAY LAGUNA SECA You are invited to the 46th Vintage Vee Birthday Party. Yes, there was a Birthday Party for all types of Vees last April in Savannah. As you know, most of the West Coast Vintage Vee pilots didn't make that one. So Victory Lane, the San Francisco Region (SFR) of the SCCA, and I are going to hold a big Vintage Vee bash at the SFR SCCA's 2009 vintage race at Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca. It will be April 4&5, 2009. Please start thinking about adding this race to your 2009 calendar. Our goal is to have the largest gathering of Vintage Vees on the West Coast. Wouldn't it be fun to have a 30+ Vintage Vees race together at one of the most famous tracks in the country? I have talked to SFR's vintage chief (Bill Godwin), and we think we can have a single "ALL VEE" run group, if we can get at least 30 Vintage Vees to enter. SFR accepts all current VMC member club's licenses or med cards. You will have to join the SCCA ($75) to run. The entry fee is estimated at about $385 at this time. There will not be a test day on the Friday before the race. Plans call for Saturday to have a 25 minute practice/qualifying session in the morning. In the afternoon there will be a 25 minute sprint race with grid positions determined by the morning session. Sunday morning leads off with a 25 minute practice session. Sunday's 25 minute race will be grided by Saturday's race finishing positions. Victory Lane will be supplying the awards, T-shirts, and other memorabilia. We are also thinking of having a Vee concours. Vintage Super Vees and VW powered sports racers are also invited to run with their respective groups Does anyone on the West Coast have an extra Vintage Vee or two? I believe there will be some drivers from other parts of the country who would be interested in renting one. The race will be run by the SFR so the entry process will be handled through their website. So early in 2009 check http://sfrscca.com for the entry process and more info. Chuck Tatum will be our "Vee Grand Marshal" for the weekend. In case you don't know Chuck, he was the second constructor of Formula Vees. His Crusaders were the second Vees ever made (Formcar being the first). Chuck continues to build new Crusaders and Formula Firsts. Crusader will be our featured marque for the weekend. Knowing the Bay Area drivers, I am sure that we will have at least 2 of the first few Crusaders made. Questions? Comments? Suggestions? Volunteer to help? Send me an e-mail if you want me to put you on the mailing list. Flash---Team Dreamer, Flash Racing Ltd. AKA Dick Ryan when not in his driver's suit. 650-312-4022 RRYAN at FRK.COM Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From NeotoyRick at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 08:12:16 2008 From: NeotoyRick at comcast.net (Rick Gurolnick) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:12:16 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? Message-ID: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic end to an incredible tool career. Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. Thanks in advance, Rick Gurolnick From John.Desantis at Inficon.com Tue Dec 2 08:18:35 2008 From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com (John.Desantis at Inficon.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:18:35 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: Sounds like the Craftsman served you well - why not get another. I like mine as well. Are they covered by there lifetime tool guarantee? Ya might get on for free. John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 *********************************************************************** NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message including any attachments. *********************************************************************** Rick Gurolnick Sent by: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net 12/02/2008 10:12 AM To "vintage-race at autox.team.net" cc Subject [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic end to an incredible tool career. Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. Thanks in advance, Rick Gurolnick You are subscribed as john.desantis at inficon.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From WSpohn4 at aol.com Tue Dec 2 08:34:33 2008 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:34:33 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? Message-ID: In a message dated 02/12/2008 7:12:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, NeotoyRick at comcast.net writes: Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. For wheelnuts, the click type is probably just fine, but for engine work, they can go out of adjustment unless periodically checked. In that sense the old bending beam is actually more reliable, but who wants to try and bend down to see the indicator while hauling on a wheel nut? Bill From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Dec 2 08:36:32 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 10:36:32 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? Message-ID: Hi Rick, Our Craftsman gave up the ghost this fall. I looked on eBay and found a good used SK. I have a bid on it now. Should come in slighty under $100 for a slightly used $250 torque wrench. Just another thought. Sears had Craftsman on sale for $59 but I decided against it. Joe Alexander VSCDA > After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from > head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding > accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench > broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic > end to an incredible tool career. > > Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? > Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rick Gurolnick > _______________________________________________ From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 2 08:50:37 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 07:50:37 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? References: Message-ID: <1F54D02364FF480EBD2C4313A5CF434C@owner33025ef87> I don't think it's covered since it has "moving parts". They won't replace things like broken taps and dies either that have wear parts.. If you got 20 years out of ANY torque wrench you were lucky and lived on borrowed time for a number of years. If your highest torque value is 95# then I would recommend a 1/2" drive, 150# wrench. I would not use it for value less than 50# or more than 100#. For smaller torque values get a 3/8" drive torque wrench. Again, I recommend staying within the middle third of the range for the best accuracy. And if you are really serious about the small stuff, add a 1/4" drive "inch pound" torque wrench to the toolbox. If I were a Snap-On dealer I'd say get Snap-On. Same thing with Mac, Proto or any other major toolmaker. I use a Craftsman click type. Just stay away from Harbor Freight and the cheap ones. This is a precision tool; not just another wrench thrown in the box. Lastly, whatever one you get, find out what your machinists favorite "mouthwash" is (beer, booze, etc). Take your new wrench down to him along with a modest supply of "mouthwash" and if he's any good at all he will gladly calibrate the new wrench for you and recheck it periodically. I think Craftsman and others 'guarantee' accuracy within 5%. At 100 pounds that's a range of 95# to 105#. That's not good enough for me... I want to know (as an example) that 70# is really a reading of 68.... or 73... whatever. Calibrating the wrench will enable you to be more accurate. Carl Lotus 61 FF ----- Original Message ----- From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net ; vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? Sounds like the Craftsman served you well - why not get another. I like mine as well. Are they covered by there lifetime tool guarantee? Ya might get on for free. John DeSantis Rick Gurolnick Subject [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic end to an incredible tool career. Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. Thanks in advance, Rick Gurolnick From alcostich at rpa.net Tue Dec 2 13:09:31 2008 From: alcostich at rpa.net (alcostich at rpa.net) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:09:31 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: <20081202120931.AD423E88@resin14.mta.everyone.net> Several years ago I ttook my craftsman torque wrench to a Sears repair center to get it calibrated. The cost to do so was more than the cost of a new wrench. Further, they would not honor any warranty on it. I found a better quality wrench for less money at a truckstop off the Interstate. I have become disillusioned and disappointed with anything Sears. Alan MG BGT #68 From 9laser3 at bright.net Tue Dec 2 14:42:00 2008 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:42:00 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench In-Reply-To: <20081202120931.AD423E88@resin14.mta.everyone.net> References: <20081202120931.AD423E88@resin14.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <000001c954c6$d096a080$71c3e180$@net> -----Original Message----- I have become disillusioned and disappointed with anything Sears. ********************************************************* Sears Craftsman vices and clamps used to be made in Chicago and Garrettsville, Ohio, by Wilton Tools. The castings and forgings were made in Ohio. The machining was done in Ohio. The assembly was done in Ohio. Even the boxes were made and printed in Ohio. However, by January, 2002, when I left employment with Wilton, there were only 4 employees left in Ohio. About 6 months later, the Chicago manufacturing plant was also closed. About a year before we closed the doors, Wilton was bought out by HTII. They started bringing in Chinese components to be assembled in Ohio, but once the two plants closed, they started shipping in complete vices and clamps from China. If you can find and old Wilton, Warren, Craftsman, or Hardgrave vice, buy it! If you're shopping at Sears, leave them on the shelf! Paul Ohio From N197TR4 at cs.com Tue Dec 2 15:01:43 2008 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:01:43 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: In Waterloo, Iowa the personnel were the best 25 years ago. Now they are do nothing, care nothing, know nothing, personnel. I arrived at this conclusion after two years and four visits. No more. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------- > I have become disillusioned and disappointed with anything Sears. > ********************************************************* > > Sears Craftsman vices and clamps used to be made in Chicago and > Garrettsville, Ohio, by Wilton Tools. The castings and forgings were made > in Ohio. The machining was done in Ohio. The assembly was done in Ohio. > Even the boxes were made and printed in Ohio. However, by January, 2002, > when I left employment with Wilton, there were only 4 employees left in > Ohio. About 6 months later, the Chicago manufacturing plant was also > closed. About a year before we closed the doors, Wilton was bought out by > HTII. They started bringing in Chinese components to be assembled in Ohio, > but once the two plants closed, they started shipping in complete vices and > clamps from China. If you can find and old Wilton, Warren, Craftsman, or > Hardgrave vice, buy it! If you're shopping at Sears, leave them on the > shelf! > > Paul > Ohio > _______________________________________________ From Awgertoo at aol.com Tue Dec 2 15:39:05 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 17:39:05 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: Here's a true story: I went into the hardware section of a large Sears and asked one of the young sales staff for a nail set. He said they only sold nails in boxes. Best--Michael Oritt **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From srcypher at mac.com Tue Dec 2 16:04:42 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:04:42 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> References: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: <78A17B16-E16B-406A-B409-A7C8BE177CE3@mac.com> I managed to pick up the electronic torque reader sears carries on closeout of a particular model, real cheap, and now I use it rather than relying on the click; but it also gave me the advantage of see how far out my regular torque wrench was off (always was 5lbs too lose, no matter what I torqued to) So I use the electronic part when doing engine work, and then do the +5lbs to the setting when doing non-critical work. Don't have to worry about calibrating the click wrench... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Dec 2, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Rick Gurolnick wrote: After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic end to an incredible tool career. Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. Thanks in advance, Rick Gurolnick From samandgreg at netins.net Tue Dec 2 16:19:19 2008 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:19:19 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: <78A17B16-E16B-406A-B409-A7C8BE177CE3@mac.com> References: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> <78A17B16-E16B-406A-B409-A7C8BE177CE3@mac.com> Message-ID: Is there any reason to think that electronic can not be wrong? Just wondering. Greg Scharnberg Urbandale, IA 82 Ralt RT5 At 05:04 PM 12/2/2008, you wrote: >I managed to pick up the electronic torque reader sears carries on >closeout of a particular model, real cheap, and now I use it rather >than relying on the click; but it also gave me the advantage of see >how far out my regular torque wrench was off (always was 5lbs too >lose, no matter what I torqued to) > >So I use the electronic part when doing engine work, and then do the >+5lbs to the setting when doing non-critical work. Don't have to >worry about calibrating the click wrench... > >Thanks > >-Scott Cypher From srcypher at mac.com Tue Dec 2 16:27:53 2008 From: srcypher at mac.com (Scott Cypher) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 18:27:53 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> <78A17B16-E16B-406A-B409-A7C8BE177CE3@mac.com> Message-ID: <1EE829CE-B88F-4F03-92D4-E1966F65FAFC@mac.com> All I can say you can/have to calibrate zero torque on it. So it should be more consistent than my clicker torque wrench. Unless you have a set of standard torques to calibrate to, you are always at risk of being "wrong". So I'm only as good as the design, which I will assume is more accurate and consistent than my "clicker" wrench. So if it was designed correctly, and you zero it out, it should be accurate (given the user's technique). I zero out my electronic calipers, but they may be innacurate as well. But at least I no longer strip those little tiny gears on my old dial calipers... Thanks -Scott Cypher spitfireracer at xsmail.com SCCA #37 HP Spitfire 1500 #362573 Reading, PA http://gallery.me.com/srcypher#gallery 1971 Spit MkIV/1500 RaceCar 1971 TR6 TBD 1976 TR7 Street 1968 GT6 Vintage "I'm so excited I can barely sit still or hold a thought in my head. Its the excitement only a free man can feel. A free man at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is uncertain" On Dec 2, 2008, at 6:19 PM, Sam & Greg wrote: Is there any reason to think that electronic can not be wrong? Just wondering. Greg Scharnberg Urbandale, IA 82 Ralt RT5 From 56887 at msn.com Tue Dec 2 17:02:49 2008 From: 56887 at msn.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:02:49 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: The best Torque wrenches are the old dial style made by Snap-On. They are still available and very accurate. Snap-On sets my wrench, tests it for free. Stewart Lotus' 377, 480, 801 ----- Original Message ----- From: alcostich at rpa.net Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:10 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Several years ago I ttook my craftsman torque wrench to a Sears repair center to get it calibrated. The cost to do so was more than the cost of a new wrench. Further, they would not honor any warranty on it. I found a better quality wrench for less money at a truckstop off the Interstate. I have become disillusioned and disappointed with anything Sears. Alan MG BGT #68 You are subscribed as 56887 at msn.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chris at cthompson.net Tue Dec 2 16:49:00 2008 From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:49:00 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4935C96C.5070005@cthompson.net> Sears warrants torque-wrenches for only one year. I let a bud borrow mine several years ago, and he broke it. It was about a year and a week from when I bought it, and Sears replaced it..... Chris Lotus, Jaguar, Tiger John.Desantis at Inficon.com wrote: > Sounds like the Craftsman served you well - why not get another. I like > mine as well. > > Are they covered by there lifetime tool guarantee? Ya might get on for > free. > > > John DeSantis > Inficon > Phone 315-434-1196 > Fax 315-434-9908 > *********************************************************************** > NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the > use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain > confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, > distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of > this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and > delete the original message including any attachments. > *********************************************************************** > > > > > Rick Gurolnick > Sent by: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net > 12/02/2008 10:12 AM > > To > "vintage-race at autox.team.net" > cc > > Subject > [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? > > > > > > > After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from > head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake bleeding > accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type torque wrench > broke off and went flying across the garage. An appropriately dramatic > end to an incredible tool career. > > Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? > Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rick Gurolnick > You are subscribed as john.desantis at inficon.com > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as chris at cthompson.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mgvrmark at hotmail.com Tue Dec 2 17:14:14 2008 From: mgvrmark at hotmail.com (Mark Palmer) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:14:14 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] Calibrating torque wrenches Message-ID: I made up an adapter so I can use my beam-type torque wrench to calibrate my click-type torque wrench. You can even use a couple of sockets and a piece of hex stock, or square stock if they are 12-point sockets. Then set the clicker at a given torque, clamp it in a vice (or find an assistant to help), and yank on the beam-type until you feel the click. Can be a little tricky to hold everything together but I manage. I usually check a few different settings on the click type, through the middle of the range (where I tend to actually use it). My 20-year old Craftsman click-type has never shown any significant inaccuracy when checked this way, but I do use the beam wrench for critical engine work because I still trust it more. I think the best thing you can do for a clicker is to "unwind" it down to zero during storage, and store it in a location that doesn't get too cold or hot -- but that's just a hunch. Mark Palmer _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_12 2008 From dmapes at erols.com Tue Dec 2 17:19:03 2008 From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:19:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: <200812030019.KMF97735@erols.com> Your Sears actually stocks nails? That hasn't been the case in the DC area since I was about 6. I don't really blame Sears for moving production off shore, that was the only way they could see to compete with Wallmart, Lowes, Home Depot, and (yea) Harbor Freight etc... As long as trade and tax policy allow/reward that tactic, retalers large and small will have to balance price against sales against quality and 7 times out of 10 (if not more) go over seas. In the mean time the cost will continue to be the loss of good paying manufacturing jobs and overall US manufacturing capability. > >Here's a true story: I went into the hardware section of a large Sears and >asked one of the young sales staff for a nail set. He said they only sold >nails in boxes. > >Best--Michael Oritt > > All the Best! Dave Sr. Software Engineer/Requirements Manager/Systems Assurance Analyst Aging Racer & Thumb Pound...er...Rule Engineer http://www.lamehorseracing.com From neotoyrick at comcast.net Tue Dec 2 20:23:25 2008 From: neotoyrick at comcast.net (Rick Gurolnick) Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 19:23:25 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] Torque wrench recommendations? In-Reply-To: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> References: <5662DE49-7DA3-4B29-8F5F-67A4C8F67DAA@comcast.net> Message-ID: OK - I think I got it: First of all, I'll be the first to admit that I got my money's worth out of the Craftsman torque wrench. Fully amortized indeed. I did take good care and unloaded it to zero after every usage. Occasionally did "compare" its results to other torque wrenches more than "calibrated" it. 1) Get another 1/2" click type just for the lug nuts where +or- 5lbs accuracy isn't critical. 2) Something more precise - like a Snap On Dial for engine and more critical tightening and torquing. 3) Survey trusted mechanics (an oxymoron?) for brand and model recommendations. 4) Go to Sears just for entertainment value! ;-) BTW - a quick Googling of torque wrench has a lot of resources, including an interesting Snap-On You Tube video: http://www.youtube(dot)com/watch?v=6ghgA1dA5RU replace the (dot) with . Thanks again - and . . . favored brand and model recommendations still welcome. Rick On Dec 2, 2008, at 7:12 AM, Rick Gurolnick wrote: > After 20+ years of tightening everything on a vintage racecar from > head bolts to literally hundreds, if not thousands of brake > bleeding accessed lug nuts, the end of my Craftsman Click type > torque wrench broke off and went flying across the garage. An > appropriately dramatic end to an incredible tool career. > > Any recommendations and/or links for a new updated torque wrench? > Typical usage has been for the notorious 95 ft/lbs lug nuts. > > Thanks in advance, > > Rick Gurolnick > _______________________________________________ > Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html > > You are subscribed as neotoyrick at comcast.net > > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 2 21:53:23 2008 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <493610C3.8000008@bradakis.com> > Here's a true story: I went into the hardware section of a large Sears and > asked one of the young sales staff for a nail set. He said they only sold > nails in boxes. > I'm surprised he didn't glare at your fingertips and direct you to cosmetics. mjb. From NELIUS at aol.com Wed Dec 3 06:50:11 2008 From: NELIUS at aol.com (NELIUS at aol.com) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 08:50:11 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench Message-ID: In a message dated 12/2/2008 11:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: Here's a true story: I went into the hardware section of a large Sears and > asked one of the young sales staff for a nail set. He said they only sold > nails in boxes. > I'm surprised he didn't glare at your fingertips and direct you to cosmetics. Now that's plain funny, I don't care who you are.. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 3 08:40:43 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 07:40:43 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] torque wrench References: Message-ID: <4B7ABA8222C046C788F320ECE3398CC2@owner33025ef87> Good thing you didn't ask for a Nail Gun....... They would have sent you to Sporting Goods! ----- Original Message ----- From: NELIUS at aol.com To: mark at bradakis.com ; vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 5:50 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] torque wrench In a message dated 12/2/2008 11:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mark at bradakis.com writes: Here's a true story: I went into the hardware section of a large Sears and > asked one of the young sales staff for a nail set. He said they only sold > nails in boxes. > I'm surprised he didn't glare at your fingertips and direct you to cosmetics. Now that's plain funny, I don't care who you are.. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom0000 0002) _______________________________________________ Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html You are subscribed as carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From zeke5550 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 06:06:10 2008 From: zeke5550 at aol.com (zeke5550 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:06:10 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] 948 crankshaft Message-ID: <8CB28DF34A8F96E-14F0-2480@WEBMAIL-MC01.sysops.aol.com> This is a search for a 948 stock (or reground) crankshaft.? A friend of a friend at work is trying to restore his Bugeye.? He brings me the motor (in pieces) to fix up for street use.? Crank does not pass magnaflux.? I have most of the rest of the parts to put together but I am looking for a crankshaft.?? It does not have to be anything special as it will go in a street car.? Does anybody have one gathering dust?? Gary Kropf '59 Bugeye aka Thicko 'Grenade' - Did not go off in '07 and now working on keeping pin in for '08 Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a Ride!!" From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 10:25:44 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:25:44 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fwd: Lotus, Abarth and Triumph wheels on ebay References: Message-ID: I received this message from a good friend who works on Italian cars, who bought these wheels by mistake, thinking that they would fit a Fiat. The message is self-explanatory and may provide a bargain for owners of some of the more exotic cars! NFI, just a friend; I have not researched bolt patterns on the cars mentioned. TIA Bill Slightly Classics Tucson Begin forwarded message: > From: Val Danilov > Date: December 10, 2008 9:06:30 AM GMT-07:00 > To: Bill McLeod > Subject: Lotus and Triumph wheels > > Hi Bill, > > take a look here: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190272738845 > > I bought these wheels, as they normally come with a Fiat 4x98 bolt > pattern, and are rare as hell, and very expensive (up to $1000 for a > set!). > Probably the lightest magnesium wheel you can ever get for your race > car! > > Anyway, I realized my mistake, and asked the seller to relist them > for me, as I cannot really use them. > > I doubt any of the people on your forums ever search for > "Cromodora", so they'll appreciate it too! > These are the famous Carlo Abarth wheels from the early/mid > seventies, and were used on Abarth vehicles. > I guess a limited number was made for Lotus, Triumph bolt pattern as > well, but this is the first time I came across a bolt pattern > different from Fiat. > > If they do not sell, I'm out of $400, as I've already paid for them. > Thanks, > > Val From John.Desantis at Inficon.com Wed Dec 10 11:37:09 2008 From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com (John.Desantis at Inficon.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 13:37:09 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Race gas Message-ID: My curiosity has gotten the better of me - has anyone in the warm part of this country seen the price of race gas lately? Is it dropping with the price of pump gas? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 *********************************************************************** NOTICE: - This message including any attachments is intended only for the use of the designated recipient(s) named above and may contain confidential information protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail and delete the original message including any attachments. *********************************************************************** From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 10 12:04:47 2008 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04:47 -0800 Subject: [Vintage-race] Race gas References: Message-ID: John, Last time I bought race gas was mid-November. From a high in June of $7.95 a gallon for Sunoco 110 leaded it was down to $7.15 a gallon by November. That was at Allied Petroleum on E. 4th Street in Reno, NV. Carl Lotus 61 ----- Original Message ----- From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Race gas My curiosity has gotten the better of me - has anyone in the warm part of this country seen the price of race gas lately? Is it dropping with the price of pump gas? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 From wbmcleod at gmail.com Wed Dec 10 15:03:29 2008 From: wbmcleod at gmail.com (William McLeod) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:03:29 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fwd: Cromodora wheels on ebay Just so everyone knows what's going on References: <20081210.134150.3244.0.mrkerb@juno.com> Message-ID: With thanks to Michael! Begin forwarded message: > From: Michael Duffey > Date: December 10, 2008 2:41:50 PM GMT-07:00 > To: wbmcleod at gmail.com > Subject: Cromodora wheels on ebay > > Dear Bill > I sent an email to the guy who is selling these wheels but in case he > doesn't post it with the auction, I figured that I would pass the > info on > to you. > I worked for the importer of Cromodora (Intermag, later BBS of > America) > for five years. We made a batch of wheels that were basically Fiat 124 > Rally wheels with a 3 3/4 BC and machined on the face to lighten them. > They were intended to be Formula Ford wheels and are not suitable > for a > car that weighs over 1000#. > So hopefully a guy with a Spitfire or GT6 doesn't try to run them. > Regards > Michael Duffey > >> I received this message from a good friend who works on Italian cars, >> who bought these wheels by mistake, thinking that they would fit a >> Fiat. The message is self-explanatory and may provide a bargain for >> owners of some of the more exotic cars! NFI, just a friend; I have >> not researched bolt patterns on the cars mentioned. >> TIA >> Bill >> Slightly Classics >> Tucson >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Val Danilov >>> Date: December 10, 2008 9:06:30 AM GMT-07:00 >>> To: Bill McLeod >>> Subject: Lotus and Triumph wheels >>> >>> Hi Bill, >>> >>> take a look here: >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=19027273884 > 5 >>> >>> I bought these wheels, as they normally come with a Fiat 4x98 bolt >>> pattern, and are rare as hell, and very expensive (up to $1000 for a >>> set!). >>> Probably the lightest magnesium wheel you can ever get for your race >>> car! >>> >>> Anyway, I realized my mistake, and asked the seller to relist them >>> for me, as I cannot really use them. >>> >>> I doubt any of the people on your forums ever search for >>> "Cromodora", so they'll appreciate it too! >>> These are the famous Carlo Abarth wheels from the early/mid >>> seventies, and were used on Abarth vehicles. >>> I guess a limited number was made for Lotus, Triumph bolt pattern as >>> well, but this is the first time I came across a bolt pattern >>> different from Fiat. >>> >>> If they do not sell, I'm out of $400, as I've already paid for them. >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Val >> _______________________________________________ >> Support Team.Net http://www.team.net/donate.html >> >> You are subscribed as zero260 at comcast.net >> >> Vintage-race at autox.team.net >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Save $15 on Flowers and Gifts from FTD! > Shop now at http://offers.juno.com/TGL1141/?u=http://www.ftd.com/17007 From ccanepa50 at aol.com Wed Dec 10 20:53:40 2008 From: ccanepa50 at aol.com (ccanepa50 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:53:40 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Race gas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB295B308C328B-163C-B29@MBLK-M31.sysops.aol.com> was at Laguna Seca Monday, 100 octane unleaded 8.00 per gallon....ouch! -----Original Message----- From: Carl McLelland To: vintage-race at autox.team.net; John.Desantis at Inficon.com Sent: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 11:04 am Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Race gas John, Last time I bought race gas was mid-November. From a high in June of $7.95 a gallon for Sunoco 110 leaded it was down to $7.15 a gallon by November. That was at Allied Petroleum on E. 4th Street in Reno, NV. Carl Lotus 61 ----- Original Message ----- From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 10:37 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Race gas My curiosity has gotten the better of me - has anyone in the warm part of this country seen the price of race gas lately? Is it dropping with the price of pump gas? John DeSantis Inficon Phone 315-434-1196 Fax 315-434-9908 You are subscribed as ccanepa50 at aol.com Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Awgertoo at aol.com Mon Dec 29 11:23:38 2008 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:23:38 EST Subject: [Vintage-race] Sebring hotel rooms Message-ID: If anyone is thinking about attending the SVRA Sebring event in March I just cancelled three hotel rooms at the Holiday Inn, Okeechobee FL which is about 40 miles from the track. This may seem like a long way but there aren't many good alternatives in the immediate area and none are probably available at this late date. I also know of one or two rental houses in the Sebring/Lake Placid that were available as of a month or so ago. If interested contact me directly. Best--Michael **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 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