From mark at bradakis.com Sun May 6 23:33:16 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 23:33:16 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Upcoming event Message-ID: <463EBA1C.9050005@bradakis.com> So who's going to be in Utah for the Nostalgia Racing Thriller at Miller coming up at the end of June? mjb. From 56887 at msn.com Mon May 7 08:20:57 2007 From: 56887 at msn.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Membership Message-ID: I would love to post to vintage-race at autox.team.net Stewart Smith 122 National St. Santa Cruz, California, 95060 831-423-0732 bus & fax 831-423-4410 home 56887 at msn.com From sevenamerica at yahoo.com Mon May 7 13:06:22 2007 From: sevenamerica at yahoo.com (John Donohoe) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Membership In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <924268.7369.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You just did! So did yer bonnet stay on? John D. --- Stewart Smith <56887 at msn.com> wrote: > I would love to post to vintage-race at autox.team.net > > Stewart Smith > 122 National St. > Santa Cruz, California, 95060 > 831-423-0732 bus & fax > 831-423-4410 home > 56887 at msn.com > _______________________________________________ > sevenamerica at yahoo.com > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 From RRyan at frk.com Mon May 7 15:13:45 2007 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:13:45 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Formula Vee 2008 Birthday Party References: Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD0562F3@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> When you were young, what was one of the most fun things you could do? Going to a Birthday Party was something we all looked forward to with great enthusiasm. Well, for the Formula Vee contingent, its time to start planning. The date and place of the Formula Vee's 45th Birthday Party have been set. The Vintage Driver's Club of America (VDCA) and the SCCA's Buccaneer Region are inviting you to come race and party with the large FV family. The famous Roebling Road circuit will be home for the 2008 edition of the Birthday Party on April 4, 5, and 6. Yep, a 3 day event. The weekend's events are only for VW-based formula cars and sports racers. No other makes will be running. The racing is open to MonopostoRacing (MR) compliant vintage FVs, other vintage FVs, current SCCA FVs, FST, Super Vee (air and water cooled), and VW powered sports racers. There will be many heat races so everyone will get lots of track time. Roebling Road will be a great place for the Birthday Party. Its racer friendly, and its newly paved 2.02 mile, 9-turn layout is perfect for Vees. The long front straight will test your drafting techniques and T-1 will then test your courage. The backside has long sweeping, fast turns that require the typical FV smooth driving style. Another great thing about Roebling Road is that it's only 20 miles outside of Savannah, Georgia. You can stay at a first class hotel, or many economy choices are available. However, the Flash Racing team will be staying at one of the beautiful antebellum B&Bs that are all over the city. Savannah is a wonderful place to stay and spend a few extra days sightseeing. Ya say ya need a motor? No problem. Enter a 2008 Birthday Party race group, and you may get what you wish for. A full Noble National motor with intake and carb will be given away to one lucky race group entrant. Fred Clark and Butch Deer, along with a very dedicated group of volunteers that stretches across the country, are the organizers for this exciting event. Fred owns Caracal Cars and has been a Formula Vee business partner for many years. He is assistant regional executive for the Buccaneer Region of the SCCA and was instrumental in securing the track for us. Fred can be reached at ClarkFV at bellsouth.net or 904-234-5603. Butch Deer of Dre/Wrep has organized many, if not all, of the past birthday celebrations. Butch and his partner Ron Rutenberg have supplied components and help to the FV community for many, many years. In fact, Butch has raced a Formula Vee in each and every year of its existence, that's 44 years. You can be sure he'll be there for the 45th. You can contact Butch at Butch_Deer at mindspring.co. or 859-963-8313. The VDCA has, and will be, spending many hours on the vintage portion of the Birthday Party. VDCA has been sanctioning vintage races in the southeastern part of the country for several years and has a large MR compliant FV contingent. Their focus for the Birthday Party will be on the Group #1 shown below. If you have questions on this group, you can contact Mike Jackson of VDCA at vdca at vintagedrive.com or by phone at 561-622-7554. You can learn more about this organization at www.vintagedrive.com The race groups will be: 1. MonopostoRacing compliant, Vintage FV. VDCA will be supporting this group by providing tech and eligibility determination. 2. Historic FV. This group will include non-MonopostoRacing Vees, VW powered sports racers, air-cooled Super Vees and FST. (If 15 or more FSTs pre-register, they will get their own run group.) 3. Water-cooled Super Vees. 4. Current SCCA legal FV. (There will be as many current FV groups as needed) Thanks to Fred, Mike, and Butch for all your help in planning and running the upcoming Birthday Party. Without guys like you, it wouldn't happen. Now is the time for the rest of us VW racers to start planning our April 2008 trip to Savannah. For more information on the event as it develops, please visit www.FV45birthday.com or www.buccaneerregion.org or www.vintagedrive.com where informational links will be available in the near future. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 8 13:41:04 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:41:04 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation Message-ID: <001e01c791a8$d0f63c80$372a76d0@normoffice> I just had a conversation with someone who is of the opinion that we vintage racers aren't buying trailers to tow our own cars any longer. He thinks we're all so wealthy we have a shop transport our cars to races & then provide trackside support. Certainly there are many who do use those services. I've been attending vintage races & racing long enough to have seen a very dramatic change from 1982 (my first vintage race) when there were 2 tractor-trailer rigs at Lime Rock's Fall Festival, to the last time I raced at a big northeast event when I felt like I was 1 of 2 people who brought their racecar on an open trailer. I know it was more than that. But, that's how it seemed. I realize a lot depends on the race organization, for example in the VSCCA I'd estimate that 90% tow their cars in or on trailers, 5% drive them to races & perhaps 5% have their cars brought by their shops in medium or big-rigs. But, what do you folks think? What would you say is the percentage of big-rigs to open & closed trailers at the majority of vintage races? Is it 30:70? Thanks in advance for your observations and feedback. Norm Sippel '60 Alfa Spider '59 Turner From 9laser3 at bright.net Tue May 8 15:43:40 2007 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:43:40 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation References: <001e01c791a8$d0f63c80$372a76d0@normoffice> Message-ID: <009b01c791ba$0b659620$1eabdb42@hpcustomer> Recently attended the Mitty at Road Atlanta; a HSR event. Lots of big rigs! A lot more than 6 years ago when I first started attending the Mitty. And now they have a "vintage" group and a "historical(?)" group. They ran Spec Miatas this year? They historical group seems more like a run-what-ya-brung class. As for trailer vs big rig, I'd have to guess that less than half the cars at the Mitty arrived on private trailers. I'm hoping to get to the vintage races at MidOhio this summer. Not sure which group runs the racing, but in past years it has been more private entries than big rigs. Paul Ohio And if it matters, I crew for a friend that tows his own 1967 Datsun 2000 roadster to the track. ----- Original Message ----- From: Norm To: Vintage Racing Digest ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation > But, what do you folks think? What would you say is the > percentage of big-rigs to open & closed trailers at the majority of vintage > races? Is it 30:70? From vintagethunder at hotmail.com Tue May 8 18:02:35 2007 From: vintagethunder at hotmail.com (Udo Horn) Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 00:02:35 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] BRIC Message-ID: Hello All, Anyone having a spare room or cancellation please mail or call. Udo Horn 410-279-5021 _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? Youll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 From cfchrist at earthlink.net Tue May 8 18:46:02 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 20:46:02 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation Message-ID: <410-220075390462865@earthlink.net> well norm , after towing with my open trailer for 25 years i finally bought an enclosed trailer that i have dreamed about for years! as for track side support we usually end up helping anyone who asks as well as our friends we pit with. we just like to go racing! :) chuck '60 saab 93F #251 i'm not certain i'm going to live long enough to posess one of those "big rig" units i've seen as of late! i waited 25 years for this trailer! LOL! (i have some impressive patience!....LOL!) > [Original Message] > From: Norm > To: Vintage Racing Digest ; > Date: 5/8/2007 3:42:20 PM > Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation > > I just had a conversation with someone who is of the opinion that we vintage > racers aren't buying trailers to tow our own cars any longer. He thinks > we're all so wealthy we have a shop transport our cars to races & then > provide trackside support. Certainly there are many who do use those > services. > > I've been attending vintage races & racing long enough to have seen a very > dramatic change from 1982 (my first vintage race) when there were 2 > tractor-trailer rigs at Lime Rock's Fall Festival, to the last time I raced > at a big northeast event when I felt like I was 1 of 2 people who brought > their racecar on an open trailer. I know it was more than that. But, > that's how it seemed. > > I realize a lot depends on the race organization, for example in the VSCCA > I'd estimate that 90% tow their cars in or on trailers, 5% drive them to > races & perhaps 5% have their cars brought by their shops in medium or > big-rigs. But, what do you folks think? What would you say is the > percentage of big-rigs to open & closed trailers at the majority of vintage > races? Is it 30:70? > > Thanks in advance for your observations and feedback. > > Norm Sippel > '60 Alfa Spider > '59 Turner From ngsmith101 at yahoo.com Tue May 8 18:51:54 2007 From: ngsmith101 at yahoo.com (N Smith) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation In-Reply-To: <410-220075390462865@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <619342.39716.qm@web36412.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting point. There does seem to be more big rigs but then the quality of the cars seem to be getting better as well. The more the cars gain in value the more you will see people that are "wine and cheese" racers. I tease about that because that is what I used to hear them referred to as. There are those that have their own big rigs and those that are part of a track support group. I realized that the benefit of having transportation and track support is a certain reality for me as the time I spent doing my own prep, towing to the race and the extra days spent on it all was more than I could afford with a business and and a family. Until I retire the extra expense is worth it to me to get the valuable time back. There are several opinions on this but it is different for everyone and in the end, we all end up on the track together and have fun. Charles Christ wrote: well norm , after towing with my open trailer for 25 years i finally bought an enclosed trailer that i have dreamed about for years! as for track side support we usually end up helping anyone who asks as well as our friends we pit with. we just like to go racing! :) chuck '60 saab 93F #251 i'm not certain i'm going to live long enough to posess one of those "big rig" units i've seen as of late! i waited 25 years for this trailer! LOL! (i have some impressive patience!....LOL!) > [Original Message] > From: Norm > To: Vintage Racing Digest ; > Date: 5/8/2007 3:42:20 PM > Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation > > I just had a conversation with someone who is of the opinion that we vintage > racers aren't buying trailers to tow our own cars any longer. He thinks > we're all so wealthy we have a shop transport our cars to races & then > provide trackside support. Certainly there are many who do use those > services. > > I've been attending vintage races & racing long enough to have seen a very > dramatic change from 1982 (my first vintage race) when there were 2 > tractor-trailer rigs at Lime Rock's Fall Festival, to the last time I raced > at a big northeast event when I felt like I was 1 of 2 people who brought > their racecar on an open trailer. I know it was more than that. But, > that's how it seemed. > > I realize a lot depends on the race organization, for example in the VSCCA > I'd estimate that 90% tow their cars in or on trailers, 5% drive them to > races & perhaps 5% have their cars brought by their shops in medium or > big-rigs. But, what do you folks think? What would you say is the > percentage of big-rigs to open & closed trailers at the majority of vintage > races? Is it 30:70? > > Thanks in advance for your observations and feedback. > > Norm Sippel > '60 Alfa Spider > '59 Turner _______________________________________________ ngsmith101 at yahoo.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race --------------------------------- TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. From no_bozos at bellsouth.net Tue May 8 21:05:46 2007 From: no_bozos at bellsouth.net (John A. Rollins) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 23:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation In-Reply-To: <001e01c791a8$d0f63c80$372a76d0@normoffice> Message-ID: <003901c791e6$f3db4e50$c902a8c0@BOZO> Norm: At the Florida SCCA events, most arrive on/in private trailers. Due to the likelihood of showers (I wish we could get some) many have enclosed trailers but most are single-car units. *8o) Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Norm Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 3:41 PM To: Vintage Racing Digest; MGVR at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation I just had a conversation with someone who is of the opinion that we vintage racers aren't buying trailers to tow our own cars any longer. He thinks we're all so wealthy we have a shop transport our cars to races & then provide trackside support. Certainly there are many who do use those services. I've been attending vintage races & racing long enough to have seen a very dramatic change from 1982 (my first vintage race) when there were 2 tractor-trailer rigs at Lime Rock's Fall Festival, to the last time I raced at a big northeast event when I felt like I was 1 of 2 people who brought their racecar on an open trailer. I know it was more than that. But, that's how it seemed. I realize a lot depends on the race organization, for example in the VSCCA I'd estimate that 90% tow their cars in or on trailers, 5% drive them to races & perhaps 5% have their cars brought by their shops in medium or big-rigs. But, what do you folks think? What would you say is the percentage of big-rigs to open & closed trailers at the majority of vintage races? Is it 30:70? Thanks in advance for your observations and feedback. Norm Sippel '60 Alfa Spider '59 Turner _______________________________________________ no_bozos at bellsouth.net Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From cfchrist at earthlink.net Wed May 9 08:58:42 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:58:42 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation Message-ID: <410-2200753914584293@earthlink.net> john, at the 12 hour event at sebring i was pitted near "weldon" with a datsun "Z" car. he's a central florida region member. i neglected to get his contact info before he rolled out saturday morning well before we did. can you help me with either as address or phone number? we had negotiated on some parts i need for a friend wich weldon had extras of. i would really like to call or write him about our conversations dealing with datsun parts. thank you! chuck orange '60 saab 93F #251 > [Original Message] > From: John A. Rollins > To: Norm ; Vintage Racing Digest ; > Date: 5/8/2007 11:22:53 PM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Curious About Racecar Transportation > > Norm: > > At the Florida SCCA events, most arrive on/in private trailers. Due to the > likelihood of showers (I wish we could get some) many have enclosed trailers > but most are single-car units. > > *8o) From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed May 9 14:48:57 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:48:57 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Robert Pass Message-ID: <028201c7927b$78867960$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Hi all, I just sold a car (Devin TR3) to a gentleman in Switzerland. It was supposed to have been owned by Robert Pass (Passport Transport) at some time. The new owner is would like to contact him to see if he can provide any history on the car. Anyone have an email address for Robert Pass? Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From jsnook at wcnet.org Wed May 9 17:00:16 2007 From: jsnook at wcnet.org (Jeff Snook) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:00:16 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor Traveler Message-ID: <033601c7928d$cf527480$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Since I had such good luck locating Robert Pass with this list, thought I would try another query (isn't the internet great!). We just got a pretty nice Traveler into the shop to get running for the owner. Unfortunately the bottom of the car has lots of rust issues. There are so many rusted out areas it is probably not too safe to drive as it is. It is too nice to scrap out and we would like to save this one if possible. Question: Does anyone know of a repair for one of these, or know of someone who might? Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com From royce_miller at yahoo.com Wed May 9 17:40:49 2007 From: royce_miller at yahoo.com (Royce Miller) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor Traveler Message-ID: <608693.99149.qm@web83514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Jeff, You might try Nino or Paulo at Epifani Restoration in Berkeley California. They have been in the bay area car business long enough that if they cannot help you could probably point you to someone who can. Epifani Restorations 1216 5th St Berkeley, CA 94710 510-525-3445 Royce '66 Lotus Cortina #111 Sacramento, CA USA ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeff Snook To: Vintage Race List Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2007 4:00:16 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor Traveler Since I had such good luck locating Robert Pass with this list, thought I would try another query (isn't the internet great!). We just got a pretty nice Traveler into the shop to get running for the owner. Unfortunately the bottom of the car has lots of rust issues. There are so many rusted out areas it is probably not too safe to drive as it is. It is too nice to scrap out and we would like to save this one if possible. Question: Does anyone know of a repair for one of these, or know of someone who might? Thanks, Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com _______________________________________________ royce_miller at yahoo.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From AMCAPPY84 at aol.com Thu May 10 09:42:36 2007 From: AMCAPPY84 at aol.com (AMCAPPY84 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:42:36 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 Message-ID: The recent message from Jeff Snook concerning a restoration of a Morris Minor Traveler leads me to check the network for the whereabouts of any Morris Minor 1000. I've always wanted one an wonder if there is an owner's club out there, or perhaps one for sale. Any info will be appreciated. Al Capuano _Rtminc84 at aol.com_ (mailto:Rtminc84 at aol.com) _____________________________________ (mailto:Vintage-race at autox.team.net) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From 9laser3 at bright.net Thu May 10 14:46:52 2007 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:46:52 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 References: Message-ID: <008501c79345$6788e600$90abdb42@hpcustomer> At the Mitty last month, somebody brought a Morris Minor 1000 woody wagon with a blown 350 sticking through the hood. Claimed to be the fasted Morris wagon ever! Paul Ohio ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:42 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 > The recent message from Jeff Snook concerning a restoration of a Morris > Minor Traveler leads me to check the network for the whereabouts of any Morris > Minor 1000. I've always wanted one an wonder if there is an owner's club out > there, or perhaps one for sale. Any info will be appreciated. > > Al Capuano From gerrybraz at cablespeed.com Thu May 10 17:13:11 2007 From: gerrybraz at cablespeed.com (Gerald Brazil) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:13:11 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 In-Reply-To: <008501c79345$6788e600$90abdb42@hpcustomer> Message-ID: <004301c79358$cf47c1e0$6400a8c0@DADSTOY> Now that woody would give anybody a woody! -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 4:47 PM To: AMCAPPY84 at aol.com; Vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 At the Mitty last month, somebody brought a Morris Minor 1000 woody wagon with a blown 350 sticking through the hood. Claimed to be the fasted Morris wagon ever! Paul Ohio From ccanepa50 at aol.com Thu May 10 19:56:28 2007 From: ccanepa50 at aol.com (ccanepa50 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:56:28 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] moris trav floor parts source In-Reply-To: <009b01c791ba$0b659620$1eabdb42@hpcustomer> References: <001e01c791a8$d0f63c80$372a76d0@normoffice> <009b01c791ba$0b659620$1eabdb42@hpcustomer> Message-ID: <8C96186B99BEFD5-860-6213@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> I'm sending this to you as I can;t reply to the race list. Seems this email is from Jeff Snook. The web link below goes to a page indicating they are in Bowling Green, Ohio. If I understand the question, they need new floor pans. In any event, I'm sure there are several sources in the UK for MM panels and ash frame kits, but Charles Ware Morris Minor Centre is known for fabricating new panels in Sri Lanka. Here is the web site. http://www.morrisminor.org.uk/ I have other good parts sources too if you need recomendations. Gerard ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From mark at bradakis.com Thu May 10 20:50:09 2007 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J. Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:50:09 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] moris trav floor parts source In-Reply-To: <8C96186B99BEFD5-860-6213@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> References: <001e01c791a8$d0f63c80$372a76d0@normoffice> <009b01c791ba$0b659620$1eabdb42@hpcustomer> <8C96186B99BEFD5-860-6213@mblk-d27.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4643D9E1.9000306@bradakis.com> ccanepa50 at aol.com wrote: >I'm sending this to you as I can;t reply to the race list. > > I wonder what this sentence really means. mjb. From Kendall.Freese at Aerojet.com Wed May 9 16:14:40 2007 From: Kendall.Freese at Aerojet.com (Freese, Ken) Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:14:40 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Robert Pass In-Reply-To: <028201c7927b$78867960$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> References: <028201c7927b$78867960$6601a8c0@JeffSnook> Message-ID: <1B3BD9CCDD89084C9CC405C3258017F501ED3873@SACMAIL1.aerojet.gencorp.local> I have tried Passport Transport in the past with success. He must still hang around somewhat. Ken Freese From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Thu May 10 09:57:45 2007 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:57:45 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 References: Message-ID: Al, I've forwarded your note on to Tony Burgess, the head of the US Morris Minor Club. I'm sure he'll contact you and there are cars, parts and projects for sale in their newsletter. Roger -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of AMCAPPY84 at aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:43 AM To: Vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 The recent message from Jeff Snook concerning a restoration of a Morris Minor Traveler leads me to check the network for the whereabouts of any Morris Minor 1000. I've always wanted one an wonder if there is an owner's club out there, or perhaps one for sale. Any info will be appreciated. Al Capuano _Rtminc84 at aol.com_ (mailto:Rtminc84 at aol.com) _____________________________________ (mailto:Vintage-race at autox.team.net) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From cfchrist at earthlink.net Fri May 11 12:02:30 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 Message-ID: <410-22007551118230745@earthlink.net> for all your "morris" needs contact : paul asgeirsson of morris service in oregon! he's also the datsun trans adapter kit guy for spridgets! he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com please mention you were referred to him by me! no profit to me! just passing a friend's information along to those who need help. chuck '60 saab 93F SVRA #251 > [Original Message] > From: Roger Sieling > To: ; > Cc: tony burgess > Date: 5/11/2007 11:32:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 > > Al, > > I've forwarded your note on to Tony Burgess, the head of the US Morris > Minor Club. I'm sure he'll contact you and there are cars, parts and > projects for sale in their newsletter. > > Roger From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU Fri May 11 12:39:05 2007 From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:39:05 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 In-Reply-To: <410-22007551118230745@earthlink.net> References: <410-22007551118230745@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <4644B849.7070408@lehigh.edu> Chuck, et al, I've been talking transmissions to Paul at Morriservice this week, and his email address is; PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net Not sure when it changed. John Fogelsville, PA Charles Christ wrote: > for all your "morris" needs contact : > paul asgeirsson of morris service in oregon! he's also the datsun trans > adapter kit guy for spridgets! > he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com > please mention you were referred to him by me! no profit to me! just > passing a friend's information along to those who need help. > > chuck > '60 saab 93F > SVRA #251 From 9laser3 at bright.net Fri May 11 12:41:58 2007 From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:41:58 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 References: <410-22007551118230745@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00b101c793fc$2500ce80$2aabdb42@hpcustomer> ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 > he's also the datsun trans > adapter kit guy for spridgets! > he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com I wish you guys would leave a few of those Datsun transmissions around for us Datsun folks. Any idea which tranny they use ? Paul Ohio From jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU Fri May 11 12:53:04 2007 From: jdc6 at Lehigh.EDU (John Caffrey) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:53:04 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 In-Reply-To: <00b101c793fc$2500ce80$2aabdb42@hpcustomer> References: <410-22007551118230745@earthlink.net> <00b101c793fc$2500ce80$2aabdb42@hpcustomer> Message-ID: <4644BB90.9080301@lehigh.edu> Paul, Attached is Paul A's (Morriservice) list of transmissions which fit Spridgets and Morris Minor. John Fogelsville, PA Paul wrote: ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 he's also the datsun trans adapter kit guy for spridgets! he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com I wish you guys would leave a few of those Datsun transmissions around for us Datsun folks. Any idea which tranny they use ? Paul Ohio [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of All Datsun Trannies.pdf] From cfchrist at earthlink.net Fri May 11 12:57:25 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 14:57:25 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 Message-ID: <410-220075511185725448@earthlink.net> oops! my apologies! my address book must be updated! sorry gang! but paul is the gentleman to contact! chuck '60 saab 93F SVRA #251 > [Original Message] > From: John Caffrey > To: > Cc: > Date: 5/11/2007 2:39:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 > > Chuck, et al, > I've been talking transmissions to Paul at Morriservice this week, and > his email address is; PAsgeirsson at worldnet.att.net > Not sure when it changed. > John > Fogelsville, PA > > > > Charles Christ wrote: > > for all your "morris" needs contact : > > paul asgeirsson of morris service in oregon! he's also the datsun trans > > adapter kit guy for spridgets! > > he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com > > please mention you were referred to him by me! no profit to me! just > > passing a friend's information along to those who need help. From zero260 at comcast.net Fri May 11 19:12:47 2007 From: zero260 at comcast.net (Jerry Burr) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:12:47 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Winkelmann For Sale Message-ID: <006801c79432$a71f4af0$919da943@DGRKBDC1> I'm helping a friend sell his '69 Winklemann WDF 2.......it's pretty much race ready other than tires and fresh belts.....I have photos and a ton if information if anyone is interested....The car is in Berkeley Calif. He has aprox $30k in the car....$19K will buy it.... Jerry Burr From MORRISMINR at aol.com Fri May 11 19:57:46 2007 From: MORRISMINR at aol.com (MORRISMINR at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:57:46 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 Message-ID: Paul is a great guy and an advertiser in our Newsletter. He also does some tech advice from time-to-time too. I have his Datsun tranny kit for my Morris convertible and he really puts together a nice package. Cheers Tony Burgess In a message dated 5/11/2007 2:02:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cfchrist at earthlink.net writes: for all your "morris" needs contact : paul asgeirsson of morris service in oregon! he's also the datsun trans adapter kit guy for spridgets! he can be reached at : PAsgeirsson at compuserve.com please mention you were referred to him by me! no profit to me! just passing a friend's information along to those who need help. chuck '60 saab 93F SVRA #251 > [Original Message] > From: Roger Sieling > To: ; > Cc: tony burgess > Date: 5/11/2007 11:32:00 AM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Morris Minor 1000 > > Al, > > I've forwarded your note on to Tony Burgess, the head of the US Morris > Minor Club. I'm sure he'll contact you and there are cars, parts and > projects for sale in their newsletter. > > Roger > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From wsthompson at thicko.com Mon May 14 07:37:31 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:37:31 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Grattan surface Message-ID: <001c01c7962d$0845df00$18d19d00$@com> Any truth to the rumor that they repaved Grattan? Wm. Severin Thompson wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Mon May 14 17:32:07 2007 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:32:07 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] (no subject) Message-ID: To all and any S2000 drivers. PVGPA is offering any S2000 drivers the chance to race with us a BeaveRun this year, sorry so late in the knowing. I meant to get it out sooner. But got caught up with things. You will be running in group 6. For more information you can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage race button and follow the links or you can go to www.vrgonline.org Ralph Steinberg Director of Competition BeaveRun PVGPA From pkrause at attglobal.net Tue May 15 12:27:20 2007 From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:27:20 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Sports 2000 at BeaveRun In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002f01c7971e$accdf3e0$0200a8c0@SHUTTLE> Ralph, on behalf of all vintage Sports 2000 drivers who thoroughly enjoyed the last 17-car turnout we had there with the now defunct CFCR, we appreciate the opportunity to come out and play with VRG. BeaveRun is a terrific track for Sports 2000 cars and we look forward to getting the word out on this new opportunity. -Peter (headed to Road America, where Paul Tavilla and I have managed to corral over eighty-five Sports 2000 cars to help celebrate the 30th anniversary of the formation of the class, once one of the most popular in the UK and in the US) From RRyan at frk.com Wed May 16 11:22:39 2007 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:22:39 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Pacific Raceways (Seattle International Raceway) References: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD035A06@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD056318@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> Hi Everyone, I will be racing a Vee at Seattle in August. (Thank you Bill.) Does anyone have tips on driving this track? Where are the spots where I could bend the car? What are the keys to a fast lap? What mystical chants do I need to keep the rain away? Thanks for your help. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From franks97 at verizon.net Wed May 16 11:50:11 2007 From: franks97 at verizon.net (franks97 at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:50:11 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Pacific Raceways (Seattle International Raceway) Message-ID: <380-220075316175011219@M2W026.mail2web.com> In a Vee you should be able to take turn 1 flat out. It is really just a kink. Turn 2 is banked and can be taken faster than you initially think. For the downhill hairpins of 3 & 4 just stay on the track (many folks go off here). Try and be smooth and straighten out the corners on the back and coming up the hill as much as possible. Last time I raced there (about four years ago) the last turn and front straight were quite bumpy. August should be pretty much rain free (usually) but you may want to watch out for volcano activity ;-) Dave 67 Sprite Blue #82 Original Message: ----------------- From: Ryan, Richard RRyan at frk.com Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:22:39 -0700 To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Pacific Raceways (Seattle International Raceway) Hi Everyone, I will be racing a Vee at Seattle in August. (Thank you Bill.) Does anyone have tips on driving this track? Where are the spots where I could bend the car? What are the keys to a fast lap? What mystical chants do I need to keep the rain away? Thanks for your help. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com  Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft. Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail From chkangmd at earthlink.net Sat May 19 14:19:27 2007 From: chkangmd at earthlink.net ( christopher h. kang, md) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:19:27 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] throttle rtn spring?? Message-ID: <32798660.1179605967593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> on my new head setup w sidedraft webers (DCOE), I noted that the individ. carbs have an internal return spring. So do I need to put another (safety) rtn spring on the bracket that connect the 2 carbs? christopher From bmertz at cox.net Sat May 19 15:30:01 2007 From: bmertz at cox.net (Mertz) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:30:01 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] throttle rtn spring?? In-Reply-To: <32798660.1179605967593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <32798660.1179605967593.JavaMail.root@elwamui-sweet.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Redundancy is good. One of the last things you want to experience is a broken throttle return spring (happened to my old Lotus Cortina once in a Solo I). My Alfas utilize a small arch fabricated from rod stock, with one leg attached to each carburetor. The spring connects the top of the arch to the linkage, between and below the carbs. brian On May 19, 2007, at 1:19 PM, christopher h. kang, md wrote: > on my new head setup w sidedraft webers (DCOE), I noted that the > individ. carbs have an internal return spring. So do I need to put > another (safety) rtn spring on the bracket that connect the 2 carbs? > > christopher > _______________________________________________ > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From royce_miller at yahoo.com Sun May 20 09:39:49 2007 From: royce_miller at yahoo.com (Royce Miller) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 08:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] throttle rtn spring?? Message-ID: <220266.77326.qm@web83514.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Christopher, Last time I had the Weber DCOE carbs off on my car I noticed both the internal return springs were broken. You know, out of site out of mind. I think you would be better off with return springs that can easily be visually inspected. Brian, You must not have been using the stock Lotus Cortina air cleaner. I have never heard of someone breaking one of the monster stock throttle return springs. Royce '66 Lotus Cortina #111 Sacramento, CA USA ----- Original Message ---- From: Mertz To: "christopher h. kang, md" Cc: VINTAGE LIST Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 2:30:01 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] throttle rtn spring?? Redundancy is good. One of the last things you want to experience is a broken throttle return spring (happened to my old Lotus Cortina once in a Solo I). My Alfas utilize a small arch fabricated from rod stock, with one leg attached to each carburetor. The spring connects the top of the arch to the linkage, between and below the carbs. brian On May 19, 2007, at 1:19 PM, christopher h. kang, md wrote: > on my new head setup w sidedraft webers (DCOE), I noted that the > individ. carbs have an internal return spring. So do I need to put > another (safety) rtn spring on the bracket that connect the 2 carbs? > > christopher > _______________________________________________ > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race _______________________________________________ Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From rlhardison at verizon.net Sun May 20 12:08:02 2007 From: rlhardison at verizon.net (RICHARD HARDISON) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Throttle Return Springs Message-ID: <001c01c79b09$cea85de0$6400a8c0@oemcomputer> Having raced with a Lotus TC and worked in tech inspection a few times, I am a big believer in multiple throttle return springs. I would use two healthy external springs in addition to the internal springs. I have little faith in the internal springs. Having seen the unhappy result of a stuck throttle episode, I can attest that it is not pretty! Tried to respond off list to Christopher, but ran into his spam blocker. Richard From vschus8282 at comcast.net Sun May 20 18:07:13 2007 From: vschus8282 at comcast.net (vschus8282 at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:07:13 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] Enclosed race car trailer for sale Message-ID: <052120070007.11520.4650E2B1000D30BC00002D002200734076CDC8CDC89C9A080C9C90@comcast.net> I have recently listed a15' Aeroflo enclosed fiberglass race car trailer on Ebay. This is an easily trailable and economical way to transport your racecar. Item number: 160119209062 Vic Schuster From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Sun May 20 21:27:26 2007 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:27:26 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Throttle Return Springs References: <001c01c79b09$cea85de0$6400a8c0@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <013f01c79b57$f6ade500$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff> Richard, Whenever we add "tech inspector" to our reportoir of skills I think we tend to concentrate on issues that have at one time or another "bitten ourselves on the posterior". In my case, having once arrived at turn 1 in a dead heat for the lead, and having discovered upon lifting that the throttle had a mind of its own, have since placed a great deal of scrutiny on checking throttle return springs. In my case, salvation came with a flick of the ignition switch. However, in the future I placed more than cursory inspection on the means for closing the throttles when the driver intended for that to happen. I also make it a point of teaching my students (I'm a driving instructor for HSR-West) that the 'tech inspector' has but a few moments to try and find the "problems" that the owner/driver of said vehicle already knows exists. Show me a driver who's never tried to 'slip one past the tech inspector' and I'll show you a liar. Ours is a field of amateurs, out there for the sole purpose of our pleasure. While some of us are participating "in a high speed carshow", others are driving as if the scout from Maranello is standing at the apex; grading our performance. I would be the first to say that both scenario's are correct and neither is wrong. What IS important is that we respect the goals of the other. I like to quote FAR (Federal Aviation Regulation) 91.9 when discussing this issue: "The pilot-in-command is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to the operation of the aircraft". The same holds true regarding the operation of our race cars. WE, the driver, are ultimately responsible for the operation of our race cars, and what our race cars do. I would be willing to bet my next three retirement checks that the next time anybody is unsure of anything, asking a tech inspector how to do it better will result in not only respect from that inspector but a plethora of information on how to fix whatever it is that may not be 100%. Happy, and safe racing..... Carl Lotus 61 formula Ford ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHARD HARDISON To: Vintage Race List Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Throttle Return Springs Having raced with a Lotus TC and worked in tech inspection a few times, I am a big believer in multiple throttle return springs. I would use two healthy external springs in addition to the internal springs. I have little faith in the internal springs. Having seen the unhappy result of a stuck throttle episode, I can attest that it is not pretty! Tried to respond off list to Christopher, but ran into his spam blocker. Richard _______________________________________________ Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chkangmd at earthlink.net Mon May 21 14:04:24 2007 From: chkangmd at earthlink.net ( christopher h. kang, md) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:04:24 -0700 (GMT-07:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] throttle rtn spring?? Message-ID: <28108884.1179777864879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ok for those trying to reply directly, i do override the spam blocker, I usually get the Digest form of the list but it doesn't seem to be working. so would someone shoot me a photo of how they've attached the extra one spring per carb on their car? Plse use the direct email, off the list, it'll still go through the filter, i don't want any dog pictures, cats are Ok though. christopher From stadther at comcast.net Tue May 22 19:28:58 2007 From: stadther at comcast.net (Rich & Liz Stadther) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:28:58 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> Listers, This past weekend I ran the SVRA event at Road America in a Dulon Formula Ford. The car was completely refreshed with new wiring, engine, coil, etc. It started out great, going very well, running within 3 to 5 seconds of my fastest time at RA. In later sessions, it had a hard time getting to 7000 RPM. The engine builder happened to be at the race, and he was quite concerned, so he went over valves and just about anything that may cause the problem. The next session, the car started out quick and slowed down. Further checks found the timing was off a bit, and it was reset to 38-40 degrees total advance. In the race on Sunday, although I had qualified dead last, the car easily passed a few of the cars in front of me, but on the second lap it started to slow. After 3 or 4 of the 4-mile laps at RA, I could see no one in front of me and no one behind, so I quit. The engine builder of course was quite concerned and again reviewed the engine he had built. Timing was good, valves were fine, the plugs looked great, the exhaust pipe had a nice color, and during the race the engine sounded great. But it did go slow. Sometime after the race, the engine builder noticed that I had hooked up the coil backwards. He said he'd never heard of that causing this kind of a problem, but I am wondering if it caused the coil to heat up and the engine to lose performance. Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing power? Rich Stadther 1970 Dulon LD9 From wbmcleod at cox.net Tue May 22 19:47:12 2007 From: wbmcleod at cox.net (William McLeod) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:47:12 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In-Reply-To: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> References: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9121A669-42E2-4B4C-ADFA-BFE6EC953ECC@cox.net> I drove a TR4 from Oregon to Tucson a few years back, and it kept dying on the freeway, only to start back up again a few minutes later with no apparent problem. Drove me crazy! In Santa Cruz, I discovered the coil wired backward, rewired it and had no more problems at all. Bill Slightly Classics Tucson PS Did you check for hot brakes? Did anything smell/ feel hot? On May 22, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Rich & Liz Stadther wrote: > Listers, > > This past weekend I ran the SVRA event at Road America in a Dulon > Formula Ford. The car was completely refreshed with new wiring, > engine, coil, etc. It started out great, going very well, running > within 3 to 5 seconds of my fastest time at RA. In later sessions, > it had a hard time getting to 7000 RPM. The engine builder happened > to be at the race, and he was quite concerned, so he went over valves > and just about anything that may cause the problem. The next > session, the car started out quick and slowed down. Further checks > found the timing was off a bit, and it was reset to 38-40 degrees > total advance. > > In the race on Sunday, although I had qualified dead last, the car > easily passed a few of the cars in front of me, but on the second lap > it started to slow. After 3 or 4 of the 4-mile laps at RA, I could > see no one in front of me and no one behind, so I quit. > > The engine builder of course was quite concerned and again reviewed > the engine he had built. Timing was good, valves were fine, the > plugs looked great, the exhaust pipe had a nice color, and during the > race the engine sounded great. But it did go slow. Sometime after > the race, the engine builder noticed that I had hooked up the coil > backwards. He said he'd never heard of that causing this kind of a > problem, but I am wondering if it caused the coil to heat up and the > engine to lose performance. > > Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can > that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over > the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas > coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a > late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. > > Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly > decreasing power? > > Rich Stadther > 1970 Dulon LD9 > _______________________________________________ From gerrybraz at cablespeed.com Tue May 22 20:16:39 2007 From: gerrybraz at cablespeed.com (Gerald Brazil) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:16:39 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In-Reply-To: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000401c79ce0$6733bdc0$6400a8c0@DADSTOY> I had a weird problem once that was coil related. Over the winter I did some "up-grading" of electrical components on an engine which was running fine at the end of the season. I put a top of the line Lucas Gold coil on it and an MSD capacitive discharge ignition. It ran just great until you got to about 4500 rpm and then it just went flat....no acceleration...couldn't even get to 5000. After a frustrating weekend I took it to my tuning guru. He listened to my story and then put it on his scope. What he found was that the combination of the hot coil and the MSD system was firing at around 80000 volts but for a very short time. So short that it didn't have time to really propagate a good fire in the combustion chamber. He put in good quality off the shelf Niehoff coil and the engine was strong to 7500. Some times you can have too much of a good thing. -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich & Liz Stadther Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:29 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Listers, This past weekend I ran the SVRA event at Road America in a Dulon Formula Ford. The car was completely refreshed with new wiring, engine, coil, etc. It started out great, going very well, running within 3 to 5 seconds of my fastest time at RA. In later sessions, it had a hard time getting to 7000 RPM. The engine builder happened to be at the race, and he was quite concerned, so he went over valves and just about anything that may cause the problem. The next session, the car started out quick and slowed down. Further checks found the timing was off a bit, and it was reset to 38-40 degrees total advance. In the race on Sunday, although I had qualified dead last, the car easily passed a few of the cars in front of me, but on the second lap it started to slow. After 3 or 4 of the 4-mile laps at RA, I could see no one in front of me and no one behind, so I quit. The engine builder of course was quite concerned and again reviewed the engine he had built. Timing was good, valves were fine, the plugs looked great, the exhaust pipe had a nice color, and during the race the engine sounded great. But it did go slow. Sometime after the race, the engine builder noticed that I had hooked up the coil backwards. He said he'd never heard of that causing this kind of a problem, but I am wondering if it caused the coil to heat up and the engine to lose performance. Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing power? Rich Stadther 1970 Dulon LD9 From stanvann at earthlink.net Tue May 22 05:38:53 2007 From: stanvann at earthlink.net (Stan Vann) Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:38:53 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] 2007 Wolf Ridge Hillclimb Message-ID: <380-220075222113853796@earthlink.net> The Wolf Ridge Hillclimb onboard videos from last weekend are uploaded to Google Video finally. Just go a search for "Wolf Ridge Hillclimb". I think you'll enjoy them. Stan Vann stanvann at earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Wed May 23 06:55:43 2007 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss References: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Back in the early 70s, we had a Mk2 Cortina GT for our everyday car. Around town it ran fine, but on certain trips, it would slow and loose power, even at times dying completely, only to start back up a few minutes later and be fine. I was sure it was a fuel delivery problem. It still had a mechanical fuel pump and I had tried opening the tank cap in case there were a blocked vent issue. It all became a moot point when another driver made a left hand turn in front of us and it instantly became a recycling problem. So check your fuel pump and vent lines. That also sounds like an awful lot of ignition advance. I run 30-32 on aa much higher revving motor. I can't comment on the reversed coil, since I'd my friends would never let hear the end of it if I hooked one up backwards. Roger -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich & Liz Stadther Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:29 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Listers, This past weekend I ran the SVRA event at Road America in a Dulon Formula Ford. The car was completely refreshed with new wiring, engine, coil, etc. It started out great, going very well, running within 3 to 5 seconds of my fastest time at RA. In later sessions, it had a hard time getting to 7000 RPM. The engine builder happened to be at the race, and he was quite concerned, so he went over valves and just about anything that may cause the problem. The next session, the car started out quick and slowed down. Further checks found the timing was off a bit, and it was reset to 38-40 degrees total advance. In the race on Sunday, although I had qualified dead last, the car easily passed a few of the cars in front of me, but on the second lap it started to slow. After 3 or 4 of the 4-mile laps at RA, I could see no one in front of me and no one behind, so I quit. The engine builder of course was quite concerned and again reviewed the engine he had built. Timing was good, valves were fine, the plugs looked great, the exhaust pipe had a nice color, and during the race the engine sounded great. But it did go slow. Sometime after the race, the engine builder noticed that I had hooked up the coil backwards. He said he'd never heard of that causing this kind of a problem, but I am wondering if it caused the coil to heat up and the engine to lose performance. Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing power? Rich Stadther 1970 Dulon LD9 _______________________________________________ Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From AMQJR at aol.com Wed May 23 08:07:09 2007 From: AMQJR at aol.com (AMQJR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:07:09 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: I have a corvette that had the same symptoms. Would run great then slow down and die. After a short period it would start and run. I tried everything until I finally realized that the ground wire was almost burned/corroded thru. It was so small that when it heated up it would not carry the current and the car would die. Replaced the battery leads and problem solved. Alex Quattlebaum ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From burkheimer at earthlink.net Wed May 23 08:14:04 2007 From: burkheimer at earthlink.net (burkheimer at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:14:04 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: <27879552.1179929644499.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I had a similar problem with an older Mustang. It did not want to rev, would run great when cold, but the longer it ran, the worse it got. I could let it sit and cool for 20 minutes and it was fine. We changed carbs, fuel pump etc. Finally turned out to be a faulty push-on connection at the coil primary. -----Original Message----- >From: Roger Sieling >Sent: May 23, 2007 7:55 AM >To: Rich & Liz Stadther , vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Power Loss > >Back in the early 70s, we had a Mk2 Cortina GT for our everyday car. >Around town it ran fine, but on certain trips, it would slow and loose >power, even at times dying completely, only to start back up a few >minutes later and be fine. I was sure it was a fuel delivery problem. It >still had a mechanical fuel pump and I had tried opening the tank cap in >case there were a blocked vent issue. It all became a moot point when >another driver made a left hand turn in front of us and it instantly >became a recycling problem. > >So check your fuel pump and vent lines. > >That also sounds like an awful lot of ignition advance. I run 30-32 on >aa much higher revving motor. I can't comment on the reversed coil, >since I'd my friends would never let hear the end of it if I hooked one >up backwards. > >Roger > >-----Original Message----- >From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net >[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich & Liz >Stadther >Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:29 PM >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss > >Listers, > >This past weekend I ran the SVRA event at Road America in a Dulon >Formula Ford. The car was completely refreshed with new wiring, engine, >coil, etc. It started out great, going very well, running within 3 to 5 >seconds of my fastest time at RA. In later sessions, it had a hard time >getting to 7000 RPM. The engine builder happened to be at the race, and >he was quite concerned, so he went over valves and just about anything >that may cause the problem. The next session, the car started out quick >and slowed down. Further checks found the timing was off a bit, and it >was reset to 38-40 degrees total advance. > >In the race on Sunday, although I had qualified dead last, the car >easily passed a few of the cars in front of me, but on the second lap it >started to slow. After 3 or 4 of the 4-mile laps at RA, I could see no >one in front of me and no one behind, so I quit. > >The engine builder of course was quite concerned and again reviewed the >engine he had built. Timing was good, valves were fine, the plugs >looked great, the exhaust pipe had a nice color, and during the race the >engine sounded great. But it did go slow. Sometime after the race, the >engine builder noticed that I had hooked up the coil backwards. He said >he'd never heard of that causing this kind of a problem, but I am >wondering if it caused the coil to heat up and the engine to lose >performance. > >Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can >that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the >winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, >which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas >from a Formula Ford builder. > >Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing >power? > >Rich Stadther >1970 Dulon LD9 >_______________________________________________ > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race >_______________________________________________ > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From burkheimer at earthlink.net Wed May 23 08:16:35 2007 From: burkheimer at earthlink.net (burkheimer at earthlink.net) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:16:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: <7476122.1179929796615.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An old rule: When electrical issues don't seem to make sense, check the grounds. Start with the frame-to-engine ground, then make sure the frame-engine-spark box ground is valid. But look at the coil real hard first :) -----Original Message----- >From: AMQJR at aol.com >Sent: May 23, 2007 9:07 AM >To: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com, stadther at comcast.net, vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Power Loss > >I have a corvette that had the same symptoms. Would run great then slow down >and die. After a short period it would start and run. I tried everything until >I finally realized that the ground wire was almost burned/corroded thru. It >was so small that when it heated up it would not carry the current and the car >would die. Replaced the battery leads and problem solved. Alex Quattlebaum > > > >************************************** > See what's free at http://www.aol.com. >_______________________________________________ > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From JWoesvra at aol.com Wed May 23 08:54:21 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:54:21 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:56:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com writes: Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing power? We once had a similar situation on a Mini Cooper race car. It would start out fine and then after a lap or two would not pull past 6000 on any real long straight. At shorter tracks it seemed OK. We went through everything several times, never finding anything conclusive, suspecting weak valve springs or something like that. That winter the engine came out for a complete freshening of course. Also I decided it was time to redo the fuel cell. Part of that included new hoses, etc. For some reason I blew through the vent line hose and it seemed blocked. High pressure air dislodged a Mud Dabber nest. We never had another problem with that car. Since then I check vent lines before each race and occasionally find another nest. Jack Woehrle ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From henry at henryfrye.com Wed May 23 09:01:32 2007 From: henry at henryfrye.com (Henry Frye) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:01:32 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2B52E8650115BB4085979C721A085AD405F8F7@server.Triumph.local> Any chance you are running an externally ballasted coil without the ballast??? > -----Original Message----- > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Power Loss > > In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:56:27 A.M. Eastern Standard > Time, Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com writes: > It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch > Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula > Ford builder. > > Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly > decreasing power? From gerrybraz at cablespeed.com Wed May 23 09:11:44 2007 From: gerrybraz at cablespeed.com (Gerald Brazil) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000501c79d4c$ae2f28b0$6400a8c0@DADSTOY> As long as this is getting into a "True Confessions", I have one more to add. Back when I was racing a Vintage Vee I took the car out of the storage barn in spring and did all the usual pre race prep. Went out to practice and found during practice that oil temp was skyrocketing. I came in and started checking things out. For those of you not familiar with Vintage Vees, they have to use a fan and a shroud. Anyway, when I got to checking I found that a rather extended family of mice had built a really luxurious townhouse in my fan shroud. I demolished the home, the tenants having already fled (was it my driving?), changed the oil and everything was fine. I later cut two rectangular holes in the fan shroud and fitted them with removable rubber plug (Spridget transmission tunnel) so I could pull the plugs and see if the mice had decided to take up residence again. Those plug always brought questions during tech. I told the inspectors that they were Mouse House Inspection Ports. -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 10:54 AM To: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com; stadther at comcast.net; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In a message dated 5/23/2007 7:56:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com writes: Has anyone on the list experienced a dumb mistake like this, and can that be the cause of my diminishing performance lap after lap? Over the winter, everything was refreshed on the car. It had a new Lucas coil, which is now become a Bosch Blue. The distributor is a late-model Lucas from a Formula Ford builder. Does anyone have any ideas what may have caused my slowly decreasing power? We once had a similar situation on a Mini Cooper race car. It would start out fine and then after a lap or two would not pull past 6000 on any real long straight. At shorter tracks it seemed OK. We went through everything several times, never finding anything conclusive, suspecting weak valve springs or something like that. That winter the engine came out for a complete freshening of course. Also I decided it was time to redo the fuel cell. Part of that included new hoses, etc. For some reason I blew through the vent line hose and it seemed blocked. High pressure air dislodged a Mud Dabber nest. We never had another problem with that car. Since then I check vent lines before each race and occasionally find another nest. Jack Woehrle ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From RRyan at frk.com Wed May 23 09:31:27 2007 From: RRyan at frk.com (Ryan, Richard) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:31:27 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss References: <000501c79d4c$ae2f28b0$6400a8c0@DADSTOY> Message-ID: <2836149FA7BFB44A8528E41CC72137DD056323@smosvr0663.noam.corp.frk.com> As long as we are telling stories (and good ones at that), here is one a friend of my mine told me and I believe him. Many years ago he headed to SoCal for a race at Willow Springs. Back then the paddock was not paved, just high desert gravel. Sunday morning he and his friends got to the track later than they normally do and his warm up was just about to start. He jumped into his car and went straight out on the track. Just before T3 he realized he was not alone. A rattlesnake slithered up his leg and stared him in the eye. "Please let me out, I don't like all this noise and vibration." Needless to say, the racer pulled off and made a hasty exit-without getting bit. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. From pkrause at attglobal.net Wed May 23 10:28:30 2007 From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:28:30 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss In-Reply-To: References: <20070523012712.D88E0187A84@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <000601c79d57$665cecb0$0200a8c0@SHUTTLE> Roger, The Formula Ford engine spec is so limited and restricted that 36-38 degrees is the correct number and nearly universal among all of the professional engine builders (same with Sports 2000). -Peter (together with nearly 80 Sports 2000 cars at Road America this past weekend! :) From alan.costich at pictometry.com Wed May 23 05:56:45 2007 From: alan.costich at pictometry.com (Alan Costich) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 07:56:45 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss Message-ID: <448D0FB627A39B44BA9582DFDED6EF0C0242A7AD@angel.pictometry.com> Rich, I'm not so familiar with the Dulon Formula Ford. What carbs does it run? I experienced a similar problem with my MG BGT running a weber DCOE. Found the floats were set way to low. Alan NOTICE: This message is covered by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, Title 18, United States Code, ?? 2510-2521. This e-mail and any attached files are the exclusive property of Pictometry International Corp., are deemed privileged and confidential, and are intended solely for the use of the individual(s) or entity to whom this e-mail is addressed. If you are not one of the named recipient(s) or believe that you have received this message in error, please delete this e-mail and any attachments and notify the sender immediately. Any other use, re-creation, dissemination, forwarding or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. From Klynch_6 at msn.com Wed May 23 22:23:29 2007 From: Klynch_6 at msn.com (KEVIN LYNCH) Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:23:29 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] Power Loss References: <000501c79d4c$ae2f28b0$6400a8c0@DADSTOY> <19177691.1179976487553.JavaMail.vmail@service14.colo.trueswitch.com> Message-ID: Heh,Heh!!! Oh yeah!!!! I was in my first year (98')w/ RMVR @ LaJunta in my little GT6, when a big fat Miller moth flew out of my hemet! Aghh! So now I'm coming into the infamous turn 3 when I felt the same snake-like feeling, Now What? I had damned near mudded my suit when I realized it was the speedo cable I had disconnected threading up my right throttle pant-leg!! It took me 6 months before I relived that rookie experience to anyone!!! Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan, Richard To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Power Loss As long as we are telling stories (and good ones at that), here is one a friend of my mine told me and I believe him. Many years ago he headed to SoCal for a race at Willow Springs. Back then the paddock was not paved, just high desert gravel. Sunday morning he and his friends got to the track later than they normally do and his warm up was just about to start. He jumped into his car and went straight out on the track. Just before T3 he realized he was not alone. A rattlesnake slithered up his leg and stared him in the eye. "Please let me out, I don't like all this noise and vibration." Needless to say, the racer pulled off and made a hasty exit-without getting bit. Dick Ryan 650-312-4022 (24022) Director of Global Insurance Management Franklin Templeton Investments One Franklin Parkway 960/4 San Mateo CA 94403-1906 Fax 650-312-5830 (25830) Notice: All email and instant messages (including attachments) sent to or from Franklin Templeton Investments (FTI) personnel may be retained, monitored and/or reviewed by FTI and its agents, or authorized law enforcement personnel, without further notice or consent. _______________________________________________ Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From wsthompson at thicko.com Thu May 24 18:19:41 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] anyone going to CA? Message-ID: <000901c79e62$65540fe0$2ffc2fa0$@com> Hey y'all, I've got an offer from Dwayne Anderson in California to paint a race car I have (he used to own it) for free. Anyone have room on a trailer that's heading west? Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com Sat May 26 08:56:23 2007 From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:56:23 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] anyone going to CA? In-Reply-To: <000901c79e62$65540fe0$2ffc2fa0$@com> References: <000901c79e62$65540fe0$2ffc2fa0$@com> Message-ID: I would like to remind everyone that the Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Association Historic Races at BeaveRun are featuring Spridgets this year. We have classes for every type of spridget built and you will race in the appropriate class all weekend. You will have a spridget only race on Saturday and your own paddock space. Just for spridgets and spridget specials. Besides some of the best racing anywhere, bar none, we throw one hell of a party on Saturday. And I defy you to find a great race weekend where your entry is made out to a tax deductible charity and you go home knowing you have helped to raise money for people who need all of the help they can get. We raise money for the Pittsburgh Autistic Society and the Allegheny School. So come on out - great racing, great fun, and doing something that matters all wrapped up at once and your cars are listed as something special! We also offer a test and tune day on Friday or a very well run school For more info go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage race button and follow to all the information you need, lodging, groups, entries, rules, links etc or the information may be found at www.vrgonline.org You may contact me or Mark Palmer mgvrmark at hotmail.com for more information or questions. Please let your friends know about this too, even if they choose, perish the thought, to race something other than a spridget. We can handle most anything built through 1972 that has at least three wheels. And we may make exceptions for cars you may not feel you see a listing for but think it would fit and would like to participate in one of (if not the best) the best vintage events you may ever go to This is a VRG run event and car rules and eligibility follow, for the most part VRG rules and regulations. As noted exceptions may and have been made. Thank You Ralph Steinberg PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun From wsthompson at thicko.com Sat May 26 17:18:40 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:18:40 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Craig Chima Message-ID: <000301c79fec$33b64530$9b22cf90$@com> Looking for Craig Chima. anyone have an e-mail address? Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From wsthompson at thicko.com Sat May 26 20:40:18 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:40:18 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] found him Message-ID: <000901c7a008$5ec3eef0$1c4bccd0$@com> Thanks to all who responded to my search for Craig Chima. Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From MAIL4CARPENTERS at peoplepc.com Sat May 26 20:48:24 2007 From: MAIL4CARPENTERS at peoplepc.com (MICHAEL CARPENTER) Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Craig Chima References: <000301c79fec$33b64530$9b22cf90$@com> Message-ID: <001a01c7a009$7f7c2260$1caef904@D1PWFG61> Hello Flounder, If it is the same Craig, he is very much into Lotus Sevens and I can get his email for you. Or you can contact johnd at ciesaonline.com . He runs the Lotus Seven site "SimpleSevens" that is excellent. I hope this helps. Mike Carpenter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "'vintage list'" Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:18 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] Craig Chima > Looking for Craig Chima. anyone have an e-mail address? > > > > > > Wm. Severin Thompson > > ~iii Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other forms of racing do the same. I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that will retain heat next to me like that. What do you think? Agree? Disagree? Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From WSpohn4 at aol.com Sun May 27 11:17:05 2007 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:17:05 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Message-ID: In a message dated 27/05/2007 9:57:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wsthompson at thicko.com writes: Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other forms of racing do the same. ____________________________________ I can almost guarantee that they are paid to wear those watches in the race. Bill From jerry at oldirish.com Sun May 27 11:53:34 2007 From: jerry at oldirish.com (Jerry Liudahl) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:53:34 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> References: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> Message-ID: <008501c7a087$f28ffbe0$021919ac@D7SD9P81> Same thing with rings. I have a scar to prove it. Jerry Jerry Liudahl Old Irish Racing - Jaguar Eugene, OR USA www.oldirish.com From shiples at comcast.net Sun May 27 12:11:59 2007 From: shiples at comcast.net (Steve Shipley) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:11:59 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20070527110828.03d65b30@mail.comcast.net> At the end of the Monaco F1 race, they showed the drivers putting on watches and the commentators said they were probably paid to wear them. But they weren't worn during the race At 11:53 AM 5/27/2007 -0500, Wm. Severin Thompson wrote: >Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, >wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other >forms of racing do the same. > > > >I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a >don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is >designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself >near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that >will retain heat next to me like that. > > > >What do you think? Agree? Disagree? From wbmcleod at cox.net Sun May 27 12:30:19 2007 From: wbmcleod at cox.net (William McLeod) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:30:19 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> References: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> Message-ID: <6A0DCACA-1442-49AB-B6A1-603F5DD8966A@cox.net> On that note, I watched Lewis Hamilton reclaim an equally large well- sponsored watch from an attendant just after coming second at the F1 Monaco race this morning. He needed to be seen wearing it for his podium appearance, but did not wear it during the race. Could your observed situation be the same? Regards, Bill On May 27, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Wm. Severin Thompson wrote: > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and > others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers > in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My > thinking is a > don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my > fire suit is > designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find > myself > near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something > that > will retain heat next to me like that. > > > > What do you think? Agree? Disagree? > > > > > > Wm. Severin Thompson > > ~iii Message-ID: <004101c7a087$71556740$6400a8c0@oemcomputer> I always wore a watch, but it was very thin, watertight, and stainless steel. My concern was that a larger watch might get in my way! Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" To: "'vintage list'" Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:53 PM Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a > don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is > designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself > near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that > will retain heat next to me like that. > > > > What do you think? Agree? Disagree? > > > > > > Wm. Severin Thompson > > ~iii > > > wsthompson at thicko.com > > www.thicko.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] > _______________________________________________ > rlhardison at verizon.net > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Sun May 27 12:54:57 2007 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:54:57 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches References: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> <6A0DCACA-1442-49AB-B6A1-603F5DD8966A@cox.net> Message-ID: <010d01c7a090$885ab810$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff> Watches: 1. Just added weight. 2. If I (have) time to look at it when I'm in the car I'm going too slow. Regarding the string earlier about electrical problems. It's my understanding that if the wires to the coil are backward then the spark is generated from the body of the plug (which is the ground completing the circuit) to the electrode; thus, a tremendous amount of ohm resistance. Second, 90% of electrical problems on our cars is the result of faulty ground. More time spent 'pre-flight' checking and testing each and every electrical circuit is just that much more insurance of not having a problem on the track. A few years ago I had an intermittent electrical problem. The ignition would quit, then come back, quit and come back, etc. Traced everything electrical on the car; changed distributors, ignition wires, EVERYTHING and couldn't make it go away. Turned out being a shorted plate in a near new sealed 12v battery. Now I change the battery annually and keep the old one for a spare. Carl Lotus 61 FF ----- Original Message ----- From: William McLeod To: Wm. Severin Thompson Cc: 'vintage list' Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches On that note, I watched Lewis Hamilton reclaim an equally large well- sponsored watch from an attendant just after coming second at the F1 Monaco race this morning. He needed to be seen wearing it for his podium appearance, but did not wear it during the race. Could your observed situation be the same? Regards, Bill On May 27, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Wm. Severin Thompson wrote: > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and > others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers > in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My > thinking is a > don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my > fire suit is > designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find > myself > near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something > that > will retain heat next to me like that. From lwdent at localnet.com Sun May 27 14:23:48 2007 From: lwdent at localnet.com (Larry Dent) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:23:48 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I always wore a calander watch so I could check once in a while to see what day it was. Heart surgery over, back home Friday after falling into the 10% failure department. 6 weeks in heart intensive care. Cheers, Larry Dent On May 27, 2007, at 1:17 PM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 27/05/2007 9:57:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wsthompson at thicko.com writes: > > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, > and others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other > drivers in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > I can almost guarantee that they are paid to wear those watches in > the race. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > lwdent at localnet.com > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From eltonclark at gmail.com Sun May 27 15:48:17 2007 From: eltonclark at gmail.com (Elton E. (Tony) Clark) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:48:17 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Coil Firing, was "drivers wearing watches" Message-ID: On 5/27/07, Carl McLelland wrote: > > > Regarding the string earlier about electrical problems. It's my > understanding > that if the wires to the coil are backward then the spark is generated > from > the body of the plug (which is the ground completing the circuit) to the > electrode; thus, a tremendous amount of ohm resistance. *I once owned a Citroen 2CV, ( I hear you but it was only for comic relief) and the operators manual advised one to "rotate" the plugs between it's two cylinders to equalize electrode wear since each plug had it's own coil and one fired from the center and the other to the center. Only one of a thousand laughs provided by the 2CV.* *Tony in Texas* From dmapes at erols.com Sun May 27 16:30:25 2007 From: dmapes at erols.com (Dave Mapes) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Message-ID: <5u1lfe$cfjebq@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net> Agree. At 11:53 AM 5/27/07 -0500, Wm. Severin Thompson wrote: >Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, >wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other >forms of racing do the same. > > > >I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a >don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is >designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself >near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that >will retain heat next to me like that. > > > >What do you think? Agree? Disagree? > > > > > >Wm. Severin Thompson > >~iii > > > wsthompson at thicko.com > > www.thicko.com > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] >_______________________________________________ >dmapes at erols.com > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > All the Best! Dave ;^) Lame Horse Racing, College Park, MD. http://www.lamehorseracing.com From cfchrist at earthlink.net Sun May 27 17:09:35 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:09:35 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Message-ID: <410-22007502723935511@earthlink.net> i do wear a watch but it's to remind me what day of the week it is. my laps are timed by sun dial! the transponder goes over the wire so slowly it confuses the timing and scoring people...(i think?). :) chuck "that darn orange saab" > [Original Message] > From: Wm. Severin Thompson > To: vintage list > Date: 5/27/2007 12:57:14 PM > Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches > > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a > don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is > designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself > near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that > will retain heat next to me like that. > > > > What do you think? Agree? Disagree? From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun May 27 18:13:49 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk Message-ID: <001801c7a0bd$124b3410$36e19c30$@com> VSCDA Blackhawk Farms race June 15-17. So, who's going? This is likely to be the only Thicko party this year, and the only appearance of the ThickTones (thank god) this year. Who's bringing what? Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From bandst at ihug.co.nz Sun May 27 18:47:14 2007 From: bandst at ihug.co.nz (Bruce Thompson) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:47:14 +1200 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches References: Message-ID: <002b01c7a0c1$bcc55610$0301a8c0@yourab6a3b6006> Welcome back, in every sense of the word. Glad you made it. Bruce. I always wore a calander watch so I could check once in a while to see what day it was. Heart surgery over, back home Friday after falling into the 10% failure department. 6 weeks in heart intensive care. Cheers, Larry Dent On May 27, 2007, at 1:17 PM, WSpohn4 at aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 27/05/2007 9:57:14 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > wsthompson at thicko.com writes: > > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, > and others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other > drivers in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > > > ____________________________________ > > > I can almost guarantee that they are paid to wear those watches in > the race. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > lwdent at localnet.com > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race _______________________________________________ bandst at ihug.co.nz Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Sun May 27 19:54:18 2007 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:54:18 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches References: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> Message-ID: I wholeheartedly agree. I've never understood this either. I also remember them interviewing former winners and they always have their big winning rings on too. Not me. Roger ________________________________ From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Wm. Severin Thompson Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 12:53 PM To: 'vintage list' Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and others, wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers in other forms of racing do the same. I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My thinking is a don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my fire suit is designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find myself near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something that will retain heat next to me like that. What do you think? Agree? Disagree? Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] _______________________________________________ rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From 356drb at indy.net Sun May 27 22:40:03 2007 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:40:03 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: References: <000601c7a07f$880ccee0$98266ca0$@com> Message-ID: <3723D8E1-DA08-4C6C-9A77-D768AEDB8523@indy.net> My 1951 356 has the original wind up clock (which is around 5 minutes off over 24 hours), so I don't need a watch. I use the clock, which is next to and the same size of the tach, to determine when the timed practice sessions are about to be over -- is that why Michael wears one? Brett Johnson On May 27, 2007, at 9:54 PM, Roger Sieling wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree. I've never understood this either. I also > remember > them interviewing former winners and they always have their big > winning rings > on too. Not me. > > Roger > > ________________________________ > > From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Wm. Severin > Thompson > Sent: Sun 5/27/2007 12:53 PM > To: 'vintage list' > Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches > > > > Was just watching the Indy 500 driver intros. Michael Andretti, and > others, > wear a large chronograph watch. I've seen a number of other drivers > in other > forms of racing do the same. > > > > I always take my watch off before going out for a session. My > thinking is a > don't want a large lump of metal strapped on my wrist. Sure, my > fire suit is > designed to keep heat and flame away from skin. But, should I find > myself > near a heat source during a racing incident, I don't want something > that > will retain heat next to me like that. > > > > What do you think? Agree? Disagree? > > > > > > Wm. Severin Thompson > > ~iii > > > wsthompson at thicko.com > > www.thicko.com > > [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a > name of > image001.png] > _______________________________________________ > rogsie at telesistech.com > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > _______________________________________________ > 356drb at indy.net > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From chsadek at comcast.net Sun May 27 15:35:45 2007 From: chsadek at comcast.net (BBRT) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:35:45 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches References: Message-ID: <016a01c7a0a6$fc21b030$fbeb3e47@DCN6FF61newbond> I use a calendar to time my laps... just paste on the dash... :>)))))))))))) Glad you are doing well, Larry! Chuck Sadek YS73 GT3 89 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Dent" >I always wore a calander watch so I could check once in a while to > see what day it was. > > Heart surgery over, back home Friday after falling into the 10% > failure department. 6 weeks in heart intensive care. > > Cheers, Larry Dent /vintage-race From derf247 at gmail.com Sun May 27 19:34:28 2007 From: derf247 at gmail.com (derf) Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:34:28 -0600 Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk In-Reply-To: <001801c7a0bd$124b3410$36e19c30$@com> References: <001801c7a0bd$124b3410$36e19c30$@com> Message-ID: <5f00d9910705271834w3c35d8abuc4f9a29bc2104163@mail.gmail.com> Unless I win the lottery, (hard to do if you don't buy a ticket) I won't be attending. Why can't you guys live closer to the promised land? I'd love to sit in with the Thicktones for a rendition of "Born To Be Mild". From greenman62 at hotmail.com Mon May 28 06:16:57 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:16:57 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk In-Reply-To: <001801c7a0bd$124b3410$36e19c30$@com> Message-ID: I am... I'll bring whatever's left if the condiments I brought last year Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... >From: "Wm. Severin Thompson" >To: "'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'" >CC: spridgets at autox.team.net, John Golanty >,BillDentin at aol.com, "'Bill Dalton (E-mail)'" >,'vintage list' >Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk >Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 19:13:49 -0500 > >VSCDA Blackhawk Farms race June 15-17. > > > >So, who's going? > > > >This is likely to be the only Thicko party this year, and the only >appearance of the ThickTones (thank god) this year. > > > >Who's bringing what? > > > >Wm. Severin Thompson > >~iii > > > wsthompson at thicko.com > > www.thicko.com > >[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of >image001.png] >_______________________________________________ >greenman62 at hotmail.com > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazines 2007 editors choice for best Web mailaward-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From rlhardison at verizon.net Mon May 28 08:48:07 2007 From: rlhardison at verizon.net (RICHARD HARDISON) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:48:07 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Message-ID: <000801c7a137$349b1380$6400a8c0@oemcomputer> I never gave any thought to my watch being a "heat sink", but any watch would be one. My greatest concern was having the watch get in my way in one of my "tight situations". I never looked at my watch. It was buried under my gloves and suit. Keeping it on while on the track was no more than avoiding losing it if taken on and off! Richard From pkrause at attglobal.net Mon May 28 15:11:37 2007 From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause) Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Pinging Greg Petrolati In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000301c7a16c$c7902100$0200a8c0@SHUTTLE> Greg, would you please reply off-list? Thanks, Peter From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 29 07:14:15 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:14:15 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Message-ID: <001101c7a1f3$41ab2ad0$372a76d0@normoffice> Bottom line is that a watch, ring or any other metal jewelry can become a heat-sink in a fire. Directly against your skin, it it will burn it. Two other watch-related vintage racing notes: 1- After years of forgetting to remove my watch while working on my cars & damaging all too many good watches, I learned about Rado watches - ceramic-covered links on the bracelet & sapphire crystals. There may be other similar available, but Rado is what I wear. After 12 years, the clasp IS scratched. But, that's it. And, I must confess, I don't remove it while racing. 2- Many vintage racers I've known over the years have been watch collectors. Found that out many years ago when I worked for a watch magazine & was showing a racer friend an article on BMW dashboard clocks that had just appeared in an issue. We ended up as a group of about 6 racers who then began discussing our watch collections. We generally had far more watches than collector/race cars. Must be the synergy of our cars & often, mechanical watches, or what are know as "complications." And, likely our penchant to collect things. Norm '59 Turner, '60 Alfa & a tiny collection of watches dating from the 1800s to the present From WSpohn4 at aol.com Tue May 29 07:31:20 2007 From: WSpohn4 at aol.com (WSpohn4 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:31:20 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches Message-ID: In a message dated 29/05/2007 6:15:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, twobees at sprynet.com writes: We ended up as a group of about 6 racers who then began discussing our watch collections. We generally had far more watches than collector/race cars. Must be the synergy of our cars & often, mechanical watches, or what are know as "complications." And, likely our penchant to collect things. ____________________________________ Interesting - I never thought of the connection before. I have 9 cars, 197 old watches and 282 fountain pens (any other pen collectors that race?) Bill S. (wearing a 1963 Omega Piepan Constellation today) From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 29 07:40:18 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:40:18 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001a01c7a1f6$e5fa95a0$372a76d0@normoffice> Bill: Thanks for the "pen" reminder. I have a few as well. But, nowhere as many as you. Nice collections! Norm -----Original Message----- From: WSpohn4 at aol.com [mailto:WSpohn4 at aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:31 AM To: twobees at sprynet.com; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] drivers wearing watches In a message dated 29/05/2007 6:15:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, twobees at sprynet.com writes: We ended up as a group of about 6 racers who then began discussing our watch collections. We generally had far more watches than collector/race cars. Must be the synergy of our cars & often, mechanical watches, or what are know as "complications." And, likely our penchant to collect things. _____ Interesting - I never thought of the connection before. I have 9 cars, 197 old watches and 282 fountain pens (any other pen collectors that race?) Bill S. (wearing a 1963 Omega Piepan Constellation today) From fisher at hctc.net Tue May 29 08:01:26 2007 From: fisher at hctc.net (Fisher or Elizabeth Jones) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:01:26 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Message-ID: Good morning from a lurker, This conversation about watches prompts my question. I bought my husband an old silver pocket watch several years ago. It was made in "Constantinople", today's Istanbul. It needs cleaning, but it also needs repair. I haven't been able to find anyone locally, close to San Antonio TX, who will even touch it. Do any of you know of a reputable person who might be interested in making the necessary repairs. I would prefer to send it to someone with a reputation, rather than just pot luck, and I haven't been successful so far. thanks, and I'll go back in my corner now. elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Fisher or Elizabeth Jones "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas 1920 From cfchrist at earthlink.net Tue May 29 09:31:17 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:31:17 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Message-ID: <410-220075229153117480@earthlink.net> HELLO ELIZABETH! LOL! (young lady , stay out of that darn corner.... :) ) fancy meeting you here! LOL! ok, watches eh? about 3 years ago my father gave me his old watch in a nice rectangular spring open and closed presentation watch box wich as a child caused one heck of a ruckus in my home when my late mother found out about it and i'd guess what it cost in 1960's dollars. i wear it on ocasion it's a "heuer" "autavia"chronograph (with original band too!). my father used it to time his laps in car! now being the ungratefull child i am i thought , "great dad yer giving me an old watch!" now since it has ties to my father's racing i keep it well protected! and then i saw what ones without the wrist band and presentation box were going for...GASP! and yes i have a few vintage pocket watches and some gold womens pendant watches wich are family pieces put away. so now how many of you collect model trains...........i collect vintage HO gauge (back to 30's era. not the railroad era , the time of manufacture of the model train item) chuck. "that darn orange saab" > [Original Message] > From: Fisher or Elizabeth Jones > To: > Date: 5/29/2007 10:02:11 AM > Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches > > Good morning from a lurker, > This conversation about watches prompts my question. I bought > my husband an old silver pocket watch several years ago. It was made > in "Constantinople", today's Istanbul. It needs cleaning, but it also > needs repair. I haven't been able to find anyone locally, close to > San Antonio TX, who will even touch it. Do any of you know of a > reputable person who might be interested in making the necessary > repairs. I would prefer to send it to someone with a reputation, > rather than just pot luck, and I haven't been successful so far. > thanks, and I'll go back in my corner now. > elizabeth > _________________________________________________________________ > > Fisher or Elizabeth Jones > "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas 1920 From peter at nosimport.com Tue May 29 09:36:17 2007 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter C) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:36:17 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk In-Reply-To: References: <001801c7a0bd$124b3410$36e19c30$@com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20070529103320.03183a58@nosimport.com> I am, too. I still have the potato salad and steak tartar from last year that we never got to use on Sunday because of the rain. PPP === At 07:16 AM 5/28/2007, greenman62 at hotmail.com wrote: >I am... >I'll bring whatever's left if the condiments I brought last year > >Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois > >That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > >VSCDA Blackhawk Farms race June 15-17. > > > >So, who's going? > >> > >This is likely to be the only Thicko party this year, and the only > >appearance of the ThickTones (thank god) this year. > > > >Who's bringing what > > > >Wm. Severin Thompson From wsthompson at thicko.com Tue May 29 10:10:30 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:10:30 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002701c7a20b$e2aac1d0$a8004570$@com> Former vintage racer Ken Smoot turned me on to a great old timer in Wilmette IL. He does all my cleanings and repairs. His name is David Bunin. 847 251-1572 (wearing my early 70's Omega Speedmaster today). WST -----Original Message----- From: Fisher or Elizabeth Jones [mailto:fisher at hctc.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:01 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Good morning from a lurker, This conversation about watches prompts my question. I bought my husband an old silver pocket watch several years ago. It was made in "Constantinople", today's Istanbul. It needs cleaning, but it also needs repair. I haven't been able to find anyone locally, close to San Antonio TX, who will even touch it. Do any of you know of a reputable person who might be interested in making the necessary repairs. I would prefer to send it to someone with a reputation, rather than just pot luck, and I haven't been successful so far. thanks, and I'll go back in my corner now. elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ From webmaster at norcal-saac.org Tue May 29 10:20:42 2007 From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:20:42 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches In-Reply-To: <410-220075229153117480@earthlink.net> References: <410-220075229153117480@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <465C52DA.5070807@norcal-saac.org> Charles Christ wrote: > so now how many of you collect model trains...........i collect vintage HO > gauge (back to 30's era. not the railroad era , the time of manufacture > of the model train item) ... well, I have all of my late 50s and 60s Lionel 027 "toy" train stuff. Does never throwing anything away make one a defacto collector??? ....and I also have many of the original orange/blue boxes, which I am told can be worth more than the train car inside it..... Walt Boeninger Nor Cal SAAC From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 29 10:55:12 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c7a212$1fe04150$372a76d0@normoffice> Elizabeth: When I lived in Connecticut, I had access to good watch repair people in New York City. Haven't looked here in FL yet. But, perhaps some of our NYC-area people can help. Norm -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Fisher or Elizabeth Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:01 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Good morning from a lurker, This conversation about watches prompts my question. I bought my husband an old silver pocket watch several years ago. It was made in "Constantinople", today's Istanbul. It needs cleaning, but it also needs repair. I haven't been able to find anyone locally, close to San Antonio TX, who will even touch it. Do any of you know of a reputable person who might be interested in making the necessary repairs. I would prefer to send it to someone with a reputation, rather than just pot luck, and I haven't been successful so far. thanks, and I'll go back in my corner now. elizabeth _________________________________________________________________ Fisher or Elizabeth Jones "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas 1920 _______________________________________________ twobees at sprynet.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 29 10:57:35 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:57:35 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20070529103320.03183a58@nosimport.com> Message-ID: <000801c7a212$74e7d550$372a76d0@normoffice> And, how green are they now? Any chance they're producing methane yet? Might be able to harness that gas to help power the car. Norm -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter C Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:36 AM To: team-thicko at autox.team.net Cc: spridgets at autox.team.net; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] First CALL, VSCDA Blackhawk I am, too. I still have the potato salad and steak tartar from last year that we never got to use on Sunday because of the rain. PPP === At 07:16 AM 5/28/2007, greenman62 at hotmail.com wrote: >I am... >I'll bring whatever's left if the condiments I brought last year > >Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois > >That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... > >VSCDA Blackhawk Farms race June 15-17. > > > >So, who's going? > >> > >This is likely to be the only Thicko party this year, and the only > >appearance of the ThickTones (thank god) this year. > > > >Who's bringing what > > > >Wm. Severin Thompson _______________________________________________ twobees at sprynet.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Awgertoo at aol.com Tue May 29 11:04:55 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:04:55 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Message-ID: I have a Heuer RallyMaster set that's become too valuable to leave mounted on a car dash. Best--Michael Oritt ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. From cfchrist at earthlink.net Tue May 29 11:17:14 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (Charles Christ) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:17:14 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches Message-ID: <410-220075229171714589@earthlink.net> LOL! my 11 year old has early 1970's indestructable lionel trains (the bullet proof plastic stuff). aircraft and trains have always interested me. i'm not very interested in water craft. my grandfather was an A&E (airframe & engine) mechanic (worked on the bell aerocobra assembly line during WW2). dad raced evrything from indian motorcycles and stock cars to sports cars and i did motocross and drag racing brfore sports cars. but i have never lost an interest in planes and trains. possibly the size of the equiptment , or the skills to maintain or operate them? i have no definitive answer. but thinking about it all , they all required very special skills , yet all the hardware was either right handed or left handed threads! no matter the size the principals remained the same. all very interesting once looked at the basics? it's not knowing the specific torque of an odd or obscure vehicle , it's knowing how to treat those special bits relative to that one vehicle. but it all comes down to right or left handed threads , torque values and what the specifications call for on that specific aplication? right? having an "en-fo" FF motor on the stand , a saab 2 stroke disassembled and a very agressive chevy small block on a stand.... it takes a lot to be able to hop from one to another , yet it is all about nuts -N- bolts....right? chuck 93F #251 > [Original Message] > From: Nor Cal SAAC > To: > Date: 5/29/2007 12:20:46 PM > Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Watches > > Charles Christ wrote: > > > so now how many of you collect model trains...........i collect vintage HO > > gauge (back to 30's era. not the railroad era , the time of manufacture > > of the model train item) > > ... well, I have all of my late 50s and 60s Lionel 027 "toy" train stuff. > Does never throwing anything away make one a defacto collector??? > ....and I also have many of the original orange/blue boxes, which I am > told can be worth more than the train car inside it..... From greenman62 at hotmail.com Tue May 29 12:01:20 2007 From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:01:20 +0000 Subject: [Vintage-race] was Watches... now model trains and etc. In-Reply-To: <410-220075229171714589@earthlink.net> Message-ID: >LOL! my 11 year old has early 1970's indestructable lionel trains (the >bullet proof plastic stuff). aircraft and trains have always interested >me. i'm not very interested in water craft. Well I don't collect model trains or boats... When I was younger slot racing did it for me. Now that I'm an old fart I'm back slot racing again. The new 1/32nd stuff is has diecast realism... Which the earlier cars didn't. I build my own adapting OTC cars and casting my own car bodies in resin, when I can't find what I want. Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois That's not a leak... My car's just marking its territory... _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storageget 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 From twobees at sprynet.com Tue May 29 13:51:59 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:51:59 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Racecars, Trains, Planes, Watches, Pens, etc. Message-ID: <000101c7a22a$d1b896d0$372a76d0@normoffice> Looks like I opened Pandora's box. Sorry to bring non-racecar content alive here. But, it does appear that too many of us vintage racers have additional collections. Norm Cars, watches, pens, model trains, auto-art collector - small collections, but fun. From ssteers at comcast.net Tue May 29 21:11:56 2007 From: ssteers at comcast.net (steve steers) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:11:56 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches In-Reply-To: <410-220075229153117480@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <002d01c7a268$4f0562c0$674ba13b@laptop> My daily watch is a 60s vintage Omega Seamaster chronograph. A manual windup. Bought it in Honolulu when living out there. I'll try the watch repair guy in Wilmette. Thanks for the tip. Steve Steers 58' Echidna -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Charles Christ Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:31 AM To: Fisher or Elizabeth Jones; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] Watches HELLO ELIZABETH! LOL! (young lady , stay out of that darn corner.... :) ) fancy meeting you here! LOL! ok, watches eh? about 3 years ago my father gave me his old watch in a nice rectangular spring open and closed presentation watch box wich as a child caused one heck of a ruckus in my home when my late mother found out about it and i'd guess what it cost in 1960's dollars. i wear it on ocasion it's a "heuer" "autavia"chronograph (with original band too!). my father used it to time his laps in car! now being the ungratefull child i am i thought , "great dad yer giving me an old watch!" now since it has ties to my father's racing i keep it well protected! and then i saw what ones without the wrist band and presentation box were going for...GASP! and yes i have a few vintage pocket watches and some gold womens pendant watches wich are family pieces put away. so now how many of you collect model trains...........i collect vintage HO gauge (back to 30's era. not the railroad era , the time of manufacture of the model train item) chuck. "that darn orange saab" > [Original Message] > From: Fisher or Elizabeth Jones > To: > Date: 5/29/2007 10:02:11 AM > Subject: [Vintage-race] Watches > > Good morning from a lurker, > This conversation about watches prompts my question. I bought > my husband an old silver pocket watch several years ago. It was made > in "Constantinople", today's Istanbul. It needs cleaning, but it also > needs repair. I haven't been able to find anyone locally, close to > San Antonio TX, who will even touch it. Do any of you know of a > reputable person who might be interested in making the necessary > repairs. I would prefer to send it to someone with a reputation, > rather than just pot luck, and I haven't been successful so far. > thanks, and I'll go back in my corner now. > elizabeth > _________________________________________________________________ > > Fisher or Elizabeth Jones > "A gentleman does not motor about after dark." Joseph Lucas 1920 Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From stadther at comcast.net Wed May 30 17:02:34 2007 From: stadther at comcast.net (Rich & Liz Stadther) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:02:34 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] tranny oil Message-ID: <20070530230045.D8BCF187A40@autox.team.net> Listers, With all the talk about engine oil and the lack of zinc additive I am wondering if anyone has recommendations on trans oil. I have a Ford Cortina semiclose box, like those used in the Elan, that is stock and has worked well. It is probably way under stressed with my little non-crossflow motor. Any suggestions on the best lube for this tranny? Rich Stadther Ford powered Elva Courier From samandgreg at netins.net Wed May 30 17:12:15 2007 From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 18:12:15 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] tranny oil In-Reply-To: <20070530230045.D8BCF187A40@autox.team.net> References: <20070530230045.D8BCF187A40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Rich: My race vehicles have dog boxes, but I have had very good luck with the RedLine Shockproof. Transmission and differential gears seem to be lasting much longer. I can't say what happens if you have synchronizers. Greg S. Citation 95SF Ralt RT5 On 5/30/2007, Rich Stadther wrote: >Listers, >With all the talk about engine oil and the lack of zinc additive I am >wondering if anyone has recommendations on trans oil. >I have a Ford Cortina semiclose box, like those used in the Elan, that >is stock and has worked well. It is probably way under stressed with my >little non-crossflow motor. Any suggestions on the best lube for this >tranny? >Rich Stadther >Ford powered Elva Courier >_______________________________________________ >samandgreg at netins.net > >Vintage-race mailing list >Vintage-race at autox.team.net >http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed May 30 19:07:11 2007 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:07:11 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] 1963 "12 Hours of Sebring" TR4s Message-ID: Late in 1962, Kas Kastner received and prepared three surrey topped cars for the 12 Hours of Sebring. They garnered 1-2-4 places. Jim Spencer (Wisconsin), one of the drivers, took possession of at least one of the TR4s. I am trying to determine the whereabouts of these cars, or at least some of the history of any of them. I believe I have located one of them, but want to carefully review any and all information. Kas Kastner, Mike Cook, and the present owner of this car, are all involved in this search. Verifiable information will be greatly appreciated. Note: An email message to about 250 "Friends of Triumph" around the world yielded nothing of any substance. This is a second effort on line. Thank you in Advance. Joe Alexander From deemi at juno.com Wed May 30 19:54:49 2007 From: deemi at juno.com (deemi at juno.com) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:54:49 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph at Sebring 1963 "12 Hours of Sebring" TR4s Message-ID: <20070530.215449.2412.4.deemi@juno.com> Joe, et al, the Movie, "Triumph at Sebring" shows the cars were delivered to Kastners shop and modified by him right off the factory line, hardtops with overdrive, i dont think they were surrey topped, but simple hardtops. I know they added shielding for the carbs, had to add small fender lips over regulations for the wider tires they ran, and electric fuel pumps. one had heat issues from the clutch tranny where they used a fire extinguisher on it on the laps to finish. I think they were all white. I remember seeing the movie, and i once saw it for sale somewhere on an English racing site. Ed Deihl once sent me a copy but cant find it now, it was produced by triumph, and should be available. a good 30 minute film. the other car by the way in 3rd place was a Super Sports Morgan chassis number 5308 which came in 3rd, Triumph engined as well Bob Bowie in Maine 1963 Morgan Super Sports.chassis 5381 ps only bit i can find for now on internet is http://tvshows.aol.com/episode/1963-triumph-at-sebring/legends-of-motorsp ort/EP2064290139 so if one contacts legends of motorsport should be able to get a copy. On Wed, 30 May 2007 21:07:11 EDT N197TR4 at cs.com writes: > Late in 1962, Kas Kastner received and prepared three surrey topped > cars for > the 12 Hours of Sebring. They garnered 1-2-4 places. Jim Spencer > (Wisconsin), > one of the drivers, took possession of at least one of the TR4s. > > I am trying to determine the whereabouts of these cars, or at least > some of > the history of any of them. > > I believe I have located one of them, but want to carefully review > any and > all information. > > Kas Kastner, Mike Cook, and the present owner of this car, are all > involved > in this search. Verifiable information will be greatly appreciated. > > Note: An email message to about 250 "Friends of Triumph" around the > world > yielded nothing of any substance. This is a second effort on line. > > > Thank you in Advance. > > Joe Alexander > > > _______________________________________________ > deemi at juno.com > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > DEEMI P.O.Box 268 Orono, ME 04473 From clbraun at vintagerace.net Wed May 30 20:06:12 2007 From: clbraun at vintagerace.net (Carl Braun) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] tranny oil In-Reply-To: References: <20070530230045.D8BCF187A40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <465E2D94.4050905@vintagerace.net> Good Question! My understanding is engine oil changes were "deemed necessary" because worn street engines were passing zinc additives into catalytic converters and caused them to be less effective decreasing emissions. Therefore, engine oil was adjusted (reduced zinc) to decrease pollution from worn-out engines. Transmissions and gear oil don't have a similar problem. It's my understanding extreme pressure additives in these oils has not been reduced, and will not need to change. Carl Braun ________________________________ Sam & Greg wrote: > Rich: > > My race vehicles have dog boxes, but I have had very good luck with > the RedLine Shockproof. Transmission and differential gears seem to > be lasting much longer. I can't say what happens if you have synchronizers. > > Greg S. > Citation 95SF > Ralt RT5 > > On 5/30/2007, Rich Stadther wrote: > >>Listers, >>With all the talk about engine oil and the lack of zinc additive I am >>wondering if anyone has recommendations on trans oil. >>I have a Ford Cortina semiclose box, like those used in the Elan, that >>is stock and has worked well. It is probably way under stressed with my >>little non-crossflow motor. Any suggestions on the best lube for this >>tranny? >>Rich Stadther >>Ford powered Elva Courier >>_______________________________________________ >>samandgreg at netins.net >> >>Vintage-race mailing list >>Vintage-race at autox.team.net >>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race > > _______________________________________________ > clbraun at vintagerace.net > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Thu May 31 20:23:44 2007 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:23:44 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] tranny oil References: <20070530230045.D8BCF187A40@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Rich, I am very happy with Redline MTL in these boxes. If you are not currently using this oil, you will notice an improvement when you install it. MTL is specially formulated for manual syncronized gearboxes. Roger ________________________________ From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of Rich & Liz Stadther Sent: Wed 5/30/2007 7:02 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] tranny oil Listers, With all the talk about engine oil and the lack of zinc additive I am wondering if anyone has recommendations on trans oil. I have a Ford Cortina semiclose box, like those used in the Elan, that is stock and has worked well. It is probably way under stressed with my little non-crossflow motor. Any suggestions on the best lube for this tranny? Rich Stadther Ford powered Elva Courier _______________________________________________ rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race