From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Jun  2 11:41:34 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 12:41:34 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] Mosport VARAC
Message-ID: <000001c7a53d$45573640$d005a2c0$@com>

First call. who's going to Mosport? June 22nd to the 24th.

 

Gary "Grenade" Kropf is going, and if my motor lives thru Blackhawk, and the
spare gets built next weekend, I'll be going too.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

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From Awgertoo at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 14:25:17 2007
From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 16:25:17 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] Mosport VARAC
Message-ID: <d26.a6c453b.33932c2d@aol.com>

In a message dated 6/2/2007 1:41:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wsthompson at thicko.com writes:

First call. who's going to Mosport? June 22nd to the 24th.

I'm signed up.
 
Best--Michael Oritt



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From zeke5550 at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 15:15:21 2007
From: zeke5550 at aol.com (zeke5550 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:15:21 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Mosport VARAC
In-Reply-To: <000001c7a53d$45573640$d005a2c0$@com>
References: <000001c7a53d$45573640$d005a2c0$@com>
Message-ID: <8C97372434E3932-12CC-66AC@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>

I am going and will be a first timer there ay?B 


Gary Kropf
'59 Bugeye
aka Thicko 'Grenade' - Did not go off in '06 and now working on keeping pin in
for '07

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but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting..Holy Shit!! What a
Ride!!"






























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To: 'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net' <team-thicko at autox.team.net>;
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Sent: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 1:41 pm
Subject: Mosport VARAC



First call. who's going to Mosport? June 22nd to the 24th.

Gary "Grenade" Kropf is going, and if my motor lives thru Blackhawk, and the
pare gets built next weekend, I'll be going too.


Wm. Severin Thompson
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From ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com  Tue Jun  5 17:11:27 2007
From: ralph at cloverleaf-auto.com (Ralph Steinberg)
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 19:11:27 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix
Message-ID: <S365119AbXFEXL2/20070605231128Z+2092@swip002.ftl.affinity.com>

Ok everyone. Time to fill in your entry forms and make you TAX 
DEDUCTIBLE CHECK  out to the PVGPA for the PVGPA/VRG Historic Races at BeaveRun
  We have classes for most any type of race car through 1972 and 
there are exceptions there - Club Ford, Super Vee, S2000 and 
continuation cars, MGB, TR6 etc.
  Two days of great racing with an optional test and tune day on 
Friday or a VRG school on Friday assure you more track time than you 
can use up. The best Luau east of the Big Island and an easy track to get to.
  For more information, schedules, grids/groups, entry forms etc you 
can go to www.cloverleaf-auto.com and click the vintage race button. 
Follow to BeaveRun and if the info is not right there the links to 
whatever you may need are. Or contact me direct
  Thanks and see you there
  Ralph Steinberg
PVGPA Director of Competition BeaveRun

From vainent at nfdc.net  Tue Jun  5 19:00:26 2007
From: vainent at nfdc.net (GARY)
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 21:00:26 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] trans. for sale
Message-ID: <001d01c7a7d6$124266d0$648a67d0@puddie>

hi all,  i have a richmond competition ribcase trans. that i would like to
sell,  any interested spridget owner should contact me off list,
vainent at nfdc.net  717-227-2262

From franks97 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  8 20:47:05 2007
From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 19:47:05 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] NW & Portland Historics
Message-ID: <C28F62B9.3553%franks97@verizon.net>

Anyone on the lists attending the Seattle and/or Portland Historics in July?

The usual LBC group will be paddocked on the grass in Portland. This group
includes a good selection of spridgets, some mgb9s, a europa, a Ladybird
(English clubman car) and we even let a few Alfa9s hang out around the
fringe ;-)

A couple of us will bring out the BBQ9s and attempt to outdo the Salmon
feast we had last year at the Columbia River Classic.

It also looks like a group of us will be making the trip to BC for the VRCBC
Historics in August.

If anyone is coming to Portland from out of town let me know and we can try
and save you a spot.


--
David Franks
franks97 at verizon.net
67 AH Sprite #82 Blue

http://www.oregonscca.com/vintage
http://www.portlandhistorics.com

From franks97 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  8 22:44:32 2007
From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks)
Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2007 21:44:32 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] NORPAC & Oregon Region Vintage Points
Message-ID: <C28F7E40.3558%franks97@verizon.net>

The NORPAC and Oregon Region Vintage points are up to date and can be found
at <http://www.oregonscca.com/vintage>

Thanks to the 50 drivers that turned a wheel in the Vintage Group at the
Rose Cup event. Given that it was vintage we had some attrition over the
weekend and 46 cars took the green flag. 41 cars took the checker with no
contact incidents (even with a wild start). All of the DNFs were mechanical.
We had one passing under the yellow. Not bad given the size of the grid.

So far this year in NORPAC we9ve had 162 different drivers participate in
the Laguna Seca and Portland events. Bremerton is coming up. Congratulations
to Douglas Driver and Lee Mitchell who are the only folks to make both of
the NORPAC events held so far this year.

--
David Franks
franks97 at verizon.net
67 AH Sprite #82 Blue

From no_bozos at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  9 07:19:08 2007
From: no_bozos at bellsouth.net (John A. Rollins)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 09:19:08 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] NORPAC & Oregon Region Vintage Points
In-Reply-To: <C28F7E40.3558%franks97@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001a01c7aa98$c62c4750$c902a8c0@BOZO>

Just out of curiosity, where do the various organizations stand on the
Hoosier Radial "DOT" tire which is essentially a slick with two grooves?  Do
you consider it a slick or a "DOT molded tread tire" (to use the term from
the NORPAC rules)?  The Florida regions Vintage program, which still adheres
to the pre-'73 eligibility period, has disallowed it for use on production
vehicles but I thought I might get a "read" from the other Vintage
organizations.

Thanks, in advance, for your input.

*8o)
John A. Rollins, Vintage Race Coordinator
Florida Region, SCCA

Website: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-nobozos

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Franks
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 12:45 AM
To: pdxracer at egroups.com; vintage list; ORVint
Cc: Gorham, Spencer
Subject: [Vintage-race] NORPAC & Oregon Region Vintage Points

The NORPAC and Oregon Region Vintage points are up to date and can be found
at <http://www.oregonscca.com/vintage>

Thanks to the 50 drivers that turned a wheel in the Vintage Group at the
Rose Cup event. Given that it was vintage we had some attrition over the
weekend and 46 cars took the green flag. 41 cars took the checker with no
contact incidents (even with a wild start). All of the DNFs were mechanical.
We had one passing under the yellow. Not bad given the size of the grid.

So far this year in NORPAC we9ve had 162 different drivers participate in
the Laguna Seca and Portland events. Bremerton is coming up. Congratulations
to Douglas Driver and Lee Mitchell who are the only folks to make both of
the NORPAC events held so far this year.

--
David Franks
franks97 at verizon.net
67 AH Sprite #82 Blue
_______________________________________________
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From franks97 at verizon.net  Sat Jun  9 14:11:39 2007
From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 13:11:39 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] [Spridgets] NW & Portland Historics
In-Reply-To: <2ad6c6b10706091246td5501d7x39f8f17c33765dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C290578B.3576%franks97@verizon.net>

July 6,7 & 8 for Portland, the weekend before for Seattle.

Dave


On 6/9/07 12:46 PM, "WFO Herb" <froggi60 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
> 
> I plan on making it if my son comes up.
> 
> What are the dates again?
> 
> Herb

From greenman62 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  9 14:26:29 2007
From: greenman62 at hotmail.com (greenman62 at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 20:26:29 +0000
Subject: [Vintage-race] NW & Portland Historics
In-Reply-To: <C28F62B9.3553%franks97@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BAY115-F205C534376282B3C155DD5D2240@phx.gbl>

I'll be there Nikon and all...

My daughter lives in Portland so I'm combining vacation with a little work

Greg Petrolati Champaign, Illinois

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From geodav at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  9 16:11:12 2007
From: geodav at bellsouth.net (G Davidson)
Date: Sat, 09 Jun 2007 18:11:12 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Pebble Beach/Laguna Seca
Message-ID: <466B2580.5010005@bellsouth.net>

I have a house for rent for the week of Pebble Beach/Monterey.  It is in 
Carmel next to Pebble Beach. It has 3 bedroom and 3 bathrooms. Contact 
me off list for more info.
Thanks

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sat Jun  9 18:28:44 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 19:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] more Blackhawk details
Message-ID: <006a01c7aaf6$4f547400$edfd5c00$@com>

Well Well Well.

 

Folks are stepping up right & left for the Thicko soiree'.

 

Actually we're too the point where we might need addition meatage. anyone
else want to step up and volunteer some animal sacrifice?

 

The Thicktones will be in full strength +. which means on a really good
night, we'll be average. ;)

 

My racecar is good to go. did brakes on it today. I'm trying to drop another
5lbs this week so I can afford to buy tires for Mosport rather than having
buy a driver's suit, since mine is approaching maximum density.

 

Tomorrow the trailer gets a de-grease, and I'll load the Thicktone PA, and
the grille, and ratchet down the car.  Looking forward to a great race
weekend, and the best party of the year.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



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From jimf42 at rocketmail.com  Sat Jun  9 21:15:32 2007
From: jimf42 at rocketmail.com (jim fuerstenberg)
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 20:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] more Blackhawk details
Message-ID: <20346.67592.qm@web30311.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

it looks like I may be there...and if so, I will toss in some dead meat of some sort...
 
Jim Fuerstenberg 
'The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong, it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.'   (Douglas Adams)

----- Original Message ----
From: Wm. Severin Thompson <wsthompson at thicko.com>
To: "Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net" <team-thicko at autox.team.net>
Cc: Spridgets <spridgets at autox.team.net>; vintage-race at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2007 7:28:44 PM
Subject: [Vintage-race] more Blackhawk details

Well Well Well.

 

Folks are stepping up right & left for the Thicko soiree'.

 

Actually we're too the point where we might need addition meatage. anyone
else want to step up and volunteer some animal sacrifice?

 

The Thicktones will be in full strength +. which means on a really good
night, we'll be average. ;)

 

My racecar is good to go. did brakes on it today. I'm trying to drop another
5lbs this week so I can afford to buy tires for Mosport rather than having
buy a driver's suit, since mine is approaching maximum density.

 

Tomorrow the trailer gets a de-grease, and I'll load the Thicktone PA, and
the grille, and ratchet down the car.  Looking forward to a great race
weekend, and the best party of the year.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

~iii<O



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From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Jun 10 00:36:09 2007
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 00:36:09 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] Sweet Sixteen
Message-ID: <20070610063609.55EB5187A34@autox.team.net>

Today was the British Field Day, put on by various car clubs
here in Salt Lake City, like the British Motor Club, the
Healey club, the Land Rover folks as well as some vintage
motorcycle groups.  A fun time, a pleasant way to spend
a few hours.  And this year was the 16th annual event, having
been started in 1991.

And 1991 was the year that the domain Team.Net was first put on the
air.  Sixteen years ago, when you had to explain to folks that the dot
was not silent.  Actually the lists, only two back in the beginning,
were going strong for a few years before the Team.Net domain went on
the air.

A lot has happened since then, some changes for the better, some not.
But one thing remains, the various mailing lists, web sites, FTP
archives, wiki and such are still being run by some old computer guy
on piles of creaky hardware in his basement.  That guy, of course, is
me.

There are out of pocket expenses incurred in keeping it all going.
Once or twice a year I make a request for donations to help cover the
costs of keeping it all going, or maybe a refreshing beverage from
an appreciative subscriber.  No big sales pitch, this is the only
message you'll get from me.  If you enjoy the services I put on the
net and have a few extra dollars, I'd appreciate a contribution, of
whatever dollar amount you feel comfortable with.  If you aren't in
a position to donate, don't worry about it.  If you are one of the
folks who has recently sent in something without prompting, go ahead
and smile smugly - you are off the hook.

Contribution details can be found at http://www.team.net/donate.html

Thanks,
mjb.

From pkrause at attglobal.net  Sun Jun 10 04:20:43 2007
From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 06:20:43 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Latest VMC driver infraction list needed, please!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1181412001.25423.vintage-race@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8.1181412001.25423.vintage-race@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <008901c7ab49$00dc2c20$0700a8c0@petermbp>

Joe, Carl, Jack, Mr. Alder...

PLEASE send me the latest VMC infraction list OFF LIST to my private e-mail
ASAP. Need it today (Sunday) if possible.

Thanks and sorry for bombing the list.

-Peter 

From pkrause at attglobal.net  Sun Jun 10 20:13:13 2007
From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause)
Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2007 22:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] VMC list
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1181498401.19073.vintage-race@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8.1181498401.19073.vintage-race@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <00f901c7abce$10f14b10$0700a8c0@petermbp>

Thanks to all who replied. Information was valuable.

-Peter

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Mon Jun 11 05:15:59 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 06:15:59 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] Blackhawk weather
Message-ID: <000601c7ac19$e57098f0$b051cad0$@com>

Forecast is  near 90, no rain.

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

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From rrichard50 at qwest.net  Wed Jun 13 07:35:18 2007
From: rrichard50 at qwest.net (DRR)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:35:18 -0600
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
Message-ID: <466FF296.2060308@qwest.net>

Has anyone had any experience - either good or bad - with driver to crew 
radio communication?  I have heard that most systems can  operate only 
when there is line of sight between the transmitter and receptor.  If 
this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most road 
courses. 

Thanks for any advice.

Dick Rothman
Denver, Colorado

From webmaster at norcal-saac.org  Wed Jun 13 08:58:22 2007
From: webmaster at norcal-saac.org (Nor Cal SAAC)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 07:58:22 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <466FF296.2060308@qwest.net>
References: <466FF296.2060308@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <4670060E.8020706@norcal-saac.org>

...the period correct radios really suck .....8-)

DRR wrote:
> Has anyone had any experience - either good or bad - with driver to crew 
> radio communication?  I have heard that most systems can  operate only 
> when there is line of sight between the transmitter and receptor.  If 
> this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most road 
> courses. 
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Dick Rothman
> Denver, Colorado 

From rstarkweather at scottmadden.com  Wed Jun 13 09:21:15 2007
From: rstarkweather at scottmadden.com (Rick Starkweather)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:21:15 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <4670060E.8020706@norcal-saac.org>
Message-ID: <90DED534722DF743BE72362E64A59C53A903F5@scottmadden.adtimail.com>

Dick:

Radios work great and are a terrific aid for driver and crew.  Only
problem I have had is from Oak tree at VIR back to the front straight
(some break up).  Otherwise a strong signal.

Richard D. Starkweather
ScottMadden, Inc.
919-781-4191 (office)
919-345-9871 (mobile)

> Has anyone had any experience - either good or bad - with driver to
crew
> radio communication?  I have heard that most systems can  operate only

> when there is line of sight between the transmitter and receptor.  If
> this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most road
> courses.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Dick Rothman
> Denver, Colorado

From mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net  Wed Jun 13 11:30:17 2007
From: mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net (Myles Winbigler)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:30:17 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
References: <466FF296.2060308@qwest.net>
  <4670060E.8020706@norcal-saac.org>
Message-ID: <008201c7ade0$8553a700$6400a8c0@D2HJ7531>

Just when did amateur race car drivers start using radio communication with 
their pit folks?   I retired from SCCA competition at the end of 1972, and 
what I remember until then is pit boards to let you know position, seconds + 
or - , time to go and the like.

Personal opinion:  if you're looking for radios, you're taking what is 
called "vintage racing" way too seriously.

Myles Winbigler,SOVREN
Having fun dicing with someone rather than trying to beat him/her and not 
worrying about pit signals anymore.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nor Cal SAAC" <webmaster at norcal-saac.org>
To: "Vintage Race Net" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios


> ...the period correct radios really suck .....8-)
>
> DRR wrote:
>> Has anyone had any experience - either good or bad - with driver to crew
>> radio communication?  I have heard that most systems can  operate only
>> when there is line of sight between the transmitter and receptor.  If
>> this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most road
>> courses.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Dick Rothman
>> Denver, Colorado

From rstarkweather at scottmadden.com  Wed Jun 13 11:36:55 2007
From: rstarkweather at scottmadden.com (Rick Starkweather)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:36:55 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <008201c7ade0$8553a700$6400a8c0@D2HJ7531>
Message-ID: <90DED534722DF743BE72362E64A59C53A904EE@scottmadden.adtimail.com>

Myles:

We uses it to monitor what's going with the car (gauge readings, etc.).
Also, to let the driver know when there has been an on-track incident
ahead.

Richard D. Starkweather
ScottMadden, Inc.
919-781-4191 (office)
919-345-9871 (mobile)
-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Myles
Winbigler
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM
To: vintage-race at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

Just when did amateur race car drivers start using radio communication
with
their pit folks?   I retired from SCCA competition at the end of 1972,
and
what I remember until then is pit boards to let you know position,
seconds +
or - , time to go and the like.

Personal opinion:  if you're looking for radios, you're taking what is
called "vintage racing" way too seriously.

Myles Winbigler,SOVREN
Having fun dicing with someone rather than trying to beat him/her and
not
worrying about pit signals anymore.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nor Cal SAAC" <webmaster at norcal-saac.org>
To: "Vintage Race Net" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios


> ...the period correct radios really suck .....8-)
>
> DRR wrote:
>> Has anyone had any experience - either good or bad - with driver to
crew
>> radio communication?  I have heard that most systems can  operate
only
>> when there is line of sight between the transmitter and receptor.  If
>> this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most road
>> courses.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Dick Rothman
>> Denver, Colorado
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From rrichard50 at qwest.net  Wed Jun 13 12:19:49 2007
From: rrichard50 at qwest.net (DRR)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:19:49 -0600
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
Message-ID: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>

Myles ~

To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until 
1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my retirement.  I 
took up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from 1995 
- 2000.

Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used 
them.  I miss it.

My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with 
me for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything 
happens when I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last 
year where the race was red flagged and we had to pull over and stop on 
the side of the race track.  She did know what had happened and went 
into total panic mode.  Another time I didn't come around because I had 
run out of gas out on course at end of a long practice session (duh!!).  
It was then that she made me promise to get radios.

I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the butt to 
deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to think 
about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do 
things to make them happy.

Regards,

  ~  Dick Rothman

From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com  Wed Jun 13 12:38:55 2007
From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
References: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <A77EC660BE0F3A41A8F119824432FE9E1E024E@TELEEXCH.tti.local>

If that's all it is, buy a pair of the cheap radios from Radio Shack or
Target etc. Strap one in the car and hand her the other.

We have a pair of these we take to the track so she can call me to get
back to our paddock because they've just called the group before ours to
the grid and I need to get my act in gear, quit enjoying seeing my
friends and get ready to race. Actually, if you both have cell phones,
just strap your cell phone in the car so you can call her and tell her
you're OK.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DRR
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net; Vintage Race Net
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

Myles ~

To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until
1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my retirement.  I
took up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from 1995
- 2000.

Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used
them.  I miss it.

My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with
me for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything
happens when I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last
year where the race was red flagged and we had to pull over and stop on
the side of the race track.  She did know what had happened and went
into total panic mode.  Another time I didn't come around because I had
run out of gas out on course at end of a long practice session (duh!!).

It was then that she made me promise to get radios.

I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the butt to
deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to think
about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do
things to make them happy.

Regards,

  ~  Dick Rothman
_______________________________________________
rogsie at telesistech.com

Vintage-race mailing list
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From ofbracing at nefcom.net  Wed Jun 13 13:31:18 2007
From: ofbracing at nefcom.net (OFB Racing)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:31:18 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <A77EC660BE0F3A41A8F119824432FE9E1E024E@TELEEXCH.tti.local>
Message-ID: <005e01c7adf1$6a836cb0$2001a8c0@Dell5100Laptop>

We use a portable Radio Shack scanner tuned to the corner worker
frequency and connected through an amplified speaker in the paddock.
Your crew can hear everything that's going on and know if you had a
problem on track from the corner worker reports.  It's also handy for
keeping track of what's going on with the group before yours so you
don't have to sit on the grid in the hot sun quite so long.  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Sieling
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:39 PM
To: DRR; mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net; Vintage Race Net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

If that's all it is, buy a pair of the cheap radios from Radio Shack or
Target etc. Strap one in the car and hand her the other.

We have a pair of these we take to the track so she can call me to get
back to our paddock because they've just called the group before ours to
the grid and I need to get my act in gear, quit enjoying seeing my
friends and get ready to race. Actually, if you both have cell phones,
just strap your cell phone in the car so you can call her and tell her
you're OK.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DRR
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net; Vintage Race Net
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

Myles ~

To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until
1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my retirement.  I
took up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from 1995
- 2000.

Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used
them.  I miss it.

My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with
me for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything
happens when I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last
year where the race was red flagged and we had to pull over and stop on
the side of the race track.  She did know what had happened and went
into total panic mode.  Another time I didn't come around because I had
run out of gas out on course at end of a long practice session (duh!!).

It was then that she made me promise to get radios.

I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the butt to
deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to think
about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do
things to make them happy.

Regards,

  ~  Dick Rothman
_______________________________________________
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From cfisher at borgwarner.com  Wed Jun 13 13:38:35 2007
From: cfisher at borgwarner.com (cfisher at borgwarner.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:38:35 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
Message-ID: <BACCB11544381E47BFAAD8BD460B5D8403ECAC03@dixexchange.dixon.ets.borgwarner.net>

Good idea in general about the scanner. I have a Radio Shack "NASCAR"
scanner and hate it though. I don't know if there is something wrong with
mine or I'm just too stupid to figure it out, but have very little luck
picking up the corner workers even when I manually program the frequency in.
I had it working for a while Sunday, though it broke up constantly, then it
just refused to pick up the signal at all. I wondered if I accidently hit a
key that locked the signal out! Very confusing instructions. Can anyone
recommend a good cheap, easy to find scanner, or better yet, just radio to
pick up race control transmissions? 

Curt Fisher

Visit: CurtFisherRacing.com
"Racing is life, anything that comes before, or after is just waiting",
Steve McQueen from Le Mans.
 


-----Original Message-----
From: OFB Racing [mailto:ofbracing at nefcom.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:31 PM
To: 'Vintage Race Net'
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios


We use a portable Radio Shack scanner tuned to the corner worker frequency
and connected through an amplified speaker in the paddock. Your crew can
hear everything that's going on and know if you had a problem on track from
the corner worker reports.  It's also handy for keeping track of what's
going on with the group before yours so you don't have to sit on the grid in
the hot sun quite so long.  Don

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Sieling
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:39 PM
To: DRR; mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net; Vintage Race Net
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

If that's all it is, buy a pair of the cheap radios from Radio Shack or
Target etc. Strap one in the car and hand her the other.

We have a pair of these we take to the track so she can call me to get back
to our paddock because they've just called the group before ours to the grid
and I need to get my act in gear, quit enjoying seeing my friends and get
ready to race. Actually, if you both have cell phones, just strap your cell
phone in the car so you can call her and tell her you're OK.

Roger

-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DRR
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:20 PM
To: mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net; Vintage Race Net
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios

Myles ~

To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until
1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my retirement.  I took
up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from 1995
- 2000.

Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used them.  I
miss it.

My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with me
for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything happens when
I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last year where the race
was red flagged and we had to pull over and stop on the side of the race
track.  She did know what had happened and went into total panic mode.
Another time I didn't come around because I had run out of gas out on course
at end of a long practice session (duh!!).

It was then that she made me promise to get radios.

I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the butt to
deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to think
about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do things to
make them happy.

Regards,

  ~  Dick Rothman _______________________________________________
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From Hsrrace at aol.com  Wed Jun 13 15:13:50 2007
From: Hsrrace at aol.com (Hsrrace at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:13:50 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
Message-ID: <c14.19d17e2c.33a1b80e@aol.com>

FYI not all tracks use radios for the corners. Some are hard wired.
Racerjoe


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From samandgreg at netins.net  Wed Jun 13 16:34:05 2007
From: samandgreg at netins.net (Sam & Greg)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:34:05 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <BACCB11544381E47BFAAD8BD460B5D8403ECAC03@dixexchange.dixon
	.ets.borgwarner.net>
References: <BACCB11544381E47BFAAD8BD460B5D8403ECAC03@dixexchange.dixon.ets.borgwarner.net>
Message-ID: <auto-001361341384@cgpf1.cgp.netins.net>

Curt:

I think every race group uses a different set of frequencies so a 
scanner is about your only choice.  It can be difficult to find out 
what frequency they are using but it's worth the trouble.  You hear 
when the race before yours has x laps to go, and when they get the 
checker so you can time your arrival in the grid.  Also saves a lot 
of worry for your crew when their driver doesn't come around.  I have 
a Uniden BC80XLT that works great.

I always figured that if I had an in-car radio, my crew (daughter) 
would keep yelling "GO FASTER" and I would have to respond "I AM!".

Greg Scharnberg
Des Moines, IA

At 02:38 PM 6/13/2007, cfisher at borgwarner.com wrote:
>Good idea in general about the scanner. I have a Radio Shack "NASCAR"
>scanner and hate it though. I don't know if there is something wrong with
>mine or I'm just too stupid to figure it out, but have very little luck
>picking up the corner workers even when I manually program the frequency in.
>I had it working for a while Sunday, though it broke up constantly, then it
>just refused to pick up the signal at all. I wondered if I accidently hit a
>key that locked the signal out! Very confusing instructions. Can anyone
>recommend a good cheap, easy to find scanner, or better yet, just radio to
>pick up race control transmissions?
>
>Curt Fisher
>
>Visit: CurtFisherRacing.com
>"Racing is life, anything that comes before, or after is just waiting",
>Steve McQueen from Le Mans.

From paultunley at clear.net.nz  Thu Jun 14 00:49:02 2007
From: paultunley at clear.net.nz (Paul Tunley)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:49:02 +1200
Subject: [Vintage-race] New Zealand 2008
Message-ID: <006f01c7ae50$1846ac50$2de04879@Sempron2400>

Hi there folks, a brief note to promote the 2008 Southern Festival of Speed.
We have a really great selection of cars coming down from the USA already,
with a group of CanAms Atlantics and Allards. If there is anybody interested
at all in coming down with a car or even without just to holiday and spectate
in the Febuary summer sun then now is a great time to get in touch!
A good resource for the main meeting( Skope Classic) is available for download
from this website www.canterburycarclub.co.nz . If you need any info, I am on
the organising committee and can assist. Also the track manager at Canterbury
Car Club Lloyd is a classic racer himself and can help with any enquiries.
Hope your summer season is going well. Think of us who need to change
gearboxes etc etc in the cold and dark of winter.
Cheers
Paul

From 9laser3 at bright.net  Thu Jun 14 08:04:25 2007
From: 9laser3 at bright.net (Paul)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
References: <BACCB11544381E47BFAAD8BD460B5D8403ECAC03@dixexchange.dixon.ets.borgwarner.net>
	<auto-001361341384@cgpf1.cgp.netins.net>
Message-ID: <007701c7ae90$362d2380$8cabdb42@hpcustomer>

  My local track, Nelson Ledges, doesn't have vintage races (yet), but they
broadcast the track announcer on FM radio and he keeps us all up to date on
what is happening on the track.

Paul
Ohio

From lwdent at localnet.com  Thu Jun 14 18:43:31 2007
From: lwdent at localnet.com (Larry Dent)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:43:31 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>
References: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>
Message-ID: <8D715C7D-C84E-48D3-9415-F1AA79833630@localnet.com>

Miles I drove off and on for 40 years in every thing from a Supper 7  
to a Trans Am car.  I always considered the radio more of a problem.

Heck, I always knew my  oil pressure and temperature, water  
temperature and pressure, and in a no tire change, sprint race, was  
driving that bitch as hard as it would go.

What information can anyone provide that would make a difference on  
most road courses?   Larry Dent

On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:19 PM, DRR wrote:

> Myles ~
>
> To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until
> 1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my  
> retirement.  I
> took up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from  
> 1995
> - 2000.
>
> Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used
> them.  I miss it.
>
> My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with
> me for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything
> happens when I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last
> year where the race was red flagged and we had to pull over and  
> stop on
> the side of the race track.  She did know what had happened and went
> into total panic mode.  Another time I didn't come around because I  
> had
> run out of gas out on course at end of a long practice session  
> (duh!!).
> It was then that she made me promise to get radios.
>
> I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the  
> butt to
> deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to  
> think
> about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do
> things to make them happy.
>
> Regards,
>
>   ~  Dick Rothman
> _______________________________________________
> lwdent at localnet.com
>
> Vintage-race mailing list
> Vintage-race at autox.team.net
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race

From rrichard50 at qwest.net  Thu Jun 14 19:03:19 2007
From: rrichard50 at qwest.net (DRR)
Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:03:19 -0600
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <8D715C7D-C84E-48D3-9415-F1AA79833630@localnet.com>
References: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>
	<8D715C7D-C84E-48D3-9415-F1AA79833630@localnet.com>
Message-ID: <4671E557.8020309@qwest.net>

Larry ~

The information is not for me.  

While I am on the track, I already know pretty much everything I need to 
during a race -  especially in sprint races which are 90% of the races I 
do. 

It is for my lady.  She wants to know that if for some reason I do not 
come around, that I am O.K.

~  Dick

Larry Dent wrote:

> Miles I drove off and on for 40 years in every thing from a Supper 7  
> to a Trans Am car.  I always considered the radio more of a problem.
>
> Heck, I always knew my  oil pressure and temperature, water  
> temperature and pressure, and in a no tire change, sprint race, was  
> driving that bitch as hard as it would go.
>
> What information can anyone provide that would make a difference on  
> most road courses?   Larry Dent
>
> On Jun 13, 2007, at 2:19 PM, DRR wrote:
>
>> Myles ~
>>
>> To be honest, I completely agree.   I raced with SCCA from 1963 until
>> 1970 when family commitments and lack of funds forced my  retirement.  I
>> took up vintage racing in 1985, and also raced a bit with SCCA from  
>> 1995
>> - 2000.
>>
>> Pit boards were more than adequate, and lots of fun.  Everyone used
>> them.  I miss it.
>>
>> My situation is that my fiancee, who has been coming to the races with
>> me for a couple of years, has a very hard time with it if anything
>> happens when I am out of sight.  There was an incident on track last
>> year where the race was red flagged and we had to pull over and  stop on
>> the side of the race track.  She did know what had happened and went
>> into total panic mode.  Another time I didn't come around because I  had
>> run out of gas out on course at end of a long practice session  (duh!!).
>> It was then that she made me promise to get radios.
>>
>> I am sure the radios are more of a distraction and a pain in the  
>> butt to
>> deal with than they are a benefit.  We have enough other things to  
>> think
>> about when we are on course.  But, sometimes it is best just to do
>> things to make them happy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>   ~  Dick Rothman
>> _______________________________________________
>> lwdent at localnet.com
>>
>> Vintage-race mailing list
>> Vintage-race at autox.team.net
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race

From alpine87fp at msn.com  Wed Jun 13 12:28:06 2007
From: alpine87fp at msn.com (ROGER DAVIS)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 12:28:06 -0600
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <90DED534722DF743BE72362E64A59C53A904EE@scottmadden.adtimail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F33356C3A303689CBF8044FC3180@phx.gbl>

   Dick,

   We  have  been  using  radio communication in our vintage racing since
   1993.   We  installed  them after I "parked" our racer on the Turn One
   wall  at Steamboat Springs.  Neither I nor the car was injured, but my
   crew,  unable  to  see  that portion of the track, were very disturbed
   when the session was Red Flagged and I didn't come around.

   Since  that  incident,  we installed the radios and use them like Rick
   does,  gauge  readings  and  warnings  to me, the driver, of incidents
   ahead  on  the track.  They are especially helpful on race starts when
   the  start  has  been  waved  off  prior  to  my being able to see the
   Starter.   I'm not that fast and usually start in the back of the grid
   and it's nice to know any information to help me stay out of trouble.

   Yes, we've been accused of cheating and having my spotter tell me when
   to  block  someone,  but  if  they  took  the  time  to  listen to our
   frequency,  they  would hear the exact opposite; my spotter telling me
   when the faster cars were coming and to be sure to look for them in my
   mirrors  so that I could take steps NOT to impede their progress.  And
   in some cases, just get out ot the way.

   I  too  was  involved  with  SCCA  in the 70's and am REALLY glad that
   Vintage  racing  exists  today.   I would not be racing if we only had
   SCCA.

   One other point.  Seems that some think that if we didn't race with it
   the  past  then  we  shouldn't  be  using  it  in  Vintage racing now.
   Hmmmm...   Didn't  used  to have full face helmets, three layer suits,
   HANS,  carbon  brake  pads,  cool suits, etc.  Some say that those are
   safety  things and contribute to the safety of the driver.  I say that
   my  radio  communication is a safety thing and the information that my
   crew  relays  to  me  re  the  oil  spill in Turn Three helps me avoid
   hitting  that  oil  and  perhaps  running off the track or worse, into
   another vintage car.

   So  Dick,   I  say  go  for the radios.  If you find that they are not
   something  that  you want to continue with, lay them down as you would
   any other  tool.    BTW, I've had very good coverage at tracks in your
   area.   The now "retired" Mead, Steamboat Springs, Second Creek, Pikes
   Peak  International  as  well  as  Pueblo,  La Guna Seca, Sears Point,
   Phoenix  International,  Las  Vegas,  and  of  course  the  new Miller
   Motorsports  Park in Salt Lake City.   Just remember, you get what you
   pay for.  Buy cheap radios and you won't be happy.
   Roger Davis
       ______________________________________________________________

     From:  "Rick Starkweather" <rstarkweather at scottmadden.com>
     To:  "Myles Winbigler"
     <mwinbigler at worldnet.att.net>,<vintage-race at autox.team.net>
     Subject:  Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
     Date:  Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:36:55 -0400
     >Myles:
     >
     >We  uses  it to monitor what's going with the car (gauge readings,
     etc.).
     >Also,  to  let  the  driver  know  when there has been an on-track
     incident
     >ahead.
     >
     >Richard D. Starkweather
     >ScottMadden, Inc.
     >919-781-4191 (office)
     >919-345-9871 (mobile)
     >-----Original Message-----
     >From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
     >[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Myles
     >Winbigler
     >Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:30 PM
     >To: vintage-race at autox.team.net
     >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
     >
     >Just   when  did  amateur  race  car  drivers  start  using  radio
     communication
     >with
     >their  pit  folks?   I retired from SCCA competition at the end of
     1972,
     >and
     >what I remember until then is pit boards to let you know position,
     >seconds +
     >or - , time to go and the like.
     >
     >Personal  opinion:  if  you're  looking  for radios, you're taking
     what is
     >called "vintage racing" way too seriously.
     >
     >Myles Winbigler,SOVREN
     >Having  fun dicing with someone rather than trying to beat him/her
     and
     >not
     >worrying about pit signals anymore.
     >
     >----- Original Message -----
     >From: "Nor Cal SAAC" <webmaster at norcal-saac.org>
     >To: "Vintage Race Net" <vintage-race at autox.team.net>
     >Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 7:58 AM
     >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
     >
     >
     > > ...the period correct radios really suck .....8-)
     > >
     > > DRR wrote:
     >  >>  Has  anyone  had  any experience - either good or bad - with
     driver to
     >crew
     >   >>   radio  communication?  I  have  heard  that  most  systems
     can  operate
     >only
     >  >>  when  there  is  line  of  sight between the transmitter and
     receptor.  If
     >  >> this is true, that would seem to invalidate their use at most
     road
     > >> courses.
     > >>
     > >> Thanks for any advice.
     > >>
     > >> Dick Rothman
     > >> Denver, Colorado
     >_______________________________________________
     >rstarkweather at scottmadden.com
     >
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From nick at 3rdtech.com  Wed Jun 13 13:20:49 2007
From: nick at 3rdtech.com (Nick England)
Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:20:49 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <A77EC660BE0F3A41A8F119824432FE9E1E024E@TELEEXCH.tti.local>
References: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net>
	<A77EC660BE0F3A41A8F119824432FE9E1E024E@TELEEXCH.tti.local>
Message-ID: <023601c7adef$f403fec0$2f0212ac@Heathkit2>

Well, just out of curiosity, I found this on F1Technical.net
"Car-to-pit radios were first used in 1984, but were initially dogged by
interference and cross-talk. At one British Grand Prix, for example, Ayrton
Senna was mystified by strange messages in his earpiece. They were
eventually traced to a catering firm working on the infield."

Another source says Penske introduced them in CART in 1982.

Hmmm, I wonder if any 50's-60's racers ever carried vacuum tube ham radio or
commerical 2-way gear. Probably not worth the weight - however, by the late
60's lightweight transistorized gear was readily available.

My own race communications experience is limited to standing trackside and
pointing at my underarm.

cheers,
Nick
1965 Beach Mk4B
-----Original Message-----
From: vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:vintage-race-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Sieling
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:39 PM

If that's all it is, buy a pair of the cheap radios from Radio Shack or
Target etc. Strap one in the car and hand her the other.

From pkrause at attglobal.net  Fri Jun 15 14:02:30 2007
From: pkrause at attglobal.net (Peter L. Krause)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] 2 way radios
In-Reply-To: <023601c7adef$f403fec0$2f0212ac@Heathkit2>
References: <46703545.5070606@qwest.net><A77EC660BE0F3A41A8F119824432FE9E1E024E@TELEEXCH.tti.local>
	<023601c7adef$f403fec0$2f0212ac@Heathkit2>
Message-ID: <000301c7af88$1da71250$0200a8c0@SHUTTLE>

No, Nick. OUR experience as your pit crew, consists of standing at
trackside, looking at YOU and pointing to our underarms! <grin>

-Peter (I use radios to coach. It works...)

From wsthompson at thicko.com  Sun Jun 17 16:44:53 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 17:44:53 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
Message-ID: <005e01c7b131$216a0aa0$643e1fe0$@com>

Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch. 

 

Check this sad story out.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/

 

 

Wm. Severin Thompson

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From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 17 21:52:22 2007
From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:52:22 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
References: <005e01c7b131$216a0aa0$643e1fe0$@com>
Message-ID: <03dd01c7b15c$173511d0$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff>

Just the opposite occurred at the 'parade' before the HMSA Reno (Nevada)
Historic Races in May. Approx. 35 race cars assembled at the National Auto
Museum on Wednesday, May 2nd. Reno Police Dept. was 'supposed to' have blocked
all the intersections for the seven or eight block parade from the museum to
Virginia Street where the cars were on display for three hours, then escort us
back to the museum to load.

For the parade 'to' Virginia Street we averaged about 5 miles per hour with
stops every fifty feet or so. I was in my Lotus 61, directly behind me was a
McLaren M10A F5000 and he was followed by a Gurney Eagle/Weslake F1 car. I
would rather imagine they had some serious clutch overheating before we
arrived. (Don't know about the others, but we three were getting pretty hot in
the clutch department).

About fifteen minutes before we were supposed to head back it started raining.
Oh well, 'real' race cars race in the rain.... The problem: it was dark, and
the side streets Reno PD led us on were equally dark! I don't know how the
others handled it, but I damaged my skid plate when I dropped a wheel in one
of Reno's "infamous pot holes".

No problems with HMSA or the National Auto Museum... but Reno PD needs to work
on their routine before next years parade.
    Carl    Lotus 61 FF

http://www.renohistorics.com/
  Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC


  Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
  the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch.

  Check this sad story out.

  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/

  Wm. Severin Thompson

From ngsmith101 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 17 22:38:47 2007
From: ngsmith101 at yahoo.com (N Smith)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
In-Reply-To: <03dd01c7b15c$173511d0$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff>
Message-ID: <343587.47308.qm@web36413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have not seen that drag racing accident story. That is not only is tragic but totally irresponsible on the promoters part. My sympathies go out to the families of the people affected by this. There will no doubt be justifiable lawsuits to follow.
   
  Nick
  

Carl McLelland <carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  Just the opposite occurred at the 'parade' before the HMSA Reno (Nevada)
Historic Races in May. Approx. 35 race cars assembled at the National Auto
Museum on Wednesday, May 2nd. Reno Police Dept. was 'supposed to' have blocked
all the intersections for the seven or eight block parade from the museum to
Virginia Street where the cars were on display for three hours, then escort us
back to the museum to load.

For the parade 'to' Virginia Street we averaged about 5 miles per hour with
stops every fifty feet or so. I was in my Lotus 61, directly behind me was a
McLaren M10A F5000 and he was followed by a Gurney Eagle/Weslake F1 car. I
would rather imagine they had some serious clutch overheating before we
arrived. (Don't know about the others, but we three were getting pretty hot in
the clutch department).

About fifteen minutes before we were supposed to head back it started raining.
Oh well, 'real' race cars race in the rain.... The problem: it was dark, and
the side streets Reno PD led us on were equally dark! I don't know how the
others handled it, but I damaged my skid plate when I dropped a wheel in one
of Reno's "infamous pot holes".

No problems with HMSA or the National Auto Museum... but Reno PD needs to work
on their routine before next years parade.
Carl Lotus 61 FF

http://www.renohistorics.com/
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC


Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch.

Check this sad story out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/

Wm. Severin Thompson
_______________________________________________
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Vintage-race mailing list
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From stanvann at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 18 04:59:09 2007
From: stanvann at earthlink.net (Stan Vann)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:59:09 -0400
Subject: [Vintage-race] Al Holbert's Speedster?
Message-ID: <380-22007611810599812@earthlink.net>

I do a little hillclimbing each year with the Pennsylvania Hillclimb Association. On their forum (www.pahillclimb.org) a discussion has started about the location of a Porsche Speedster that Al Holbert owned in high school and was later owned and successfully hillclimbed by Jesse Holshouser. Mr. Holshouser moved to Raleigh, NC in his final years and still owned the car at that time. Apparently both Mr. & Mrs. Holshouser have passed away and no one knows what happened to the Speedster. Does anyone have any information on this or have an idea of who to ask?
Thanks,
Stan Vann

stanvann at earthlink.net
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From wsthompson at thicko.com  Mon Jun 18 06:25:33 2007
From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:25:33 -0500
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
In-Reply-To: <343587.47308.qm@web36413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <03dd01c7b15c$173511d0$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff>
	<343587.47308.qm@web36413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301c7b1a3$c65037c0$52f0a740$@com>

Well, at last year's BRIC, the race organizers were not to blame. just
dumbass drivers. As we paraded to the town for the concours in our race
cars, and even after one Mclaren had lost it, swerved off the road, and
ended upside down in a creek, where they had to rescued. other McLarens were
still doing burnouts on the crowd lined street. It was stupid. Something
like what happened in TN could have easily happened here.

 

From: N Smith [mailto:ngsmith101 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:39 PM
To: Carl McLelland; Wm. Severin Thompson; vintage-race at autox.team.net;
'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC

 

I have not seen that drag racing accident story. That is not only is tragic
but totally irresponsible on the promoters part. My sympathies go out to the
families of the people affected by this. There will no doubt be justifiable
lawsuits to follow.

 

Nick



Carl McLelland <carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Just the opposite occurred at the 'parade' before the HMSA Reno (Nevada)
Historic Races in May. Approx. 35 race cars assembled at the National Auto
Museum on Wednesday, May 2nd. Reno Police Dept. was 'supposed to' have
blocked
all the intersections for the seven or eight block parade from the museum to
Virginia Street where the cars were on display for three hours, then escort
us
back to the museum to load.

For the parade 'to' Virginia Street we averaged about 5 miles per hour with
stops every fifty feet or so. I was in my Lotus 61, directly behind me was a
McLaren M10A F5000 and he was followed by a Gurney Eagle/Weslake F1 car. I
would rather imagine they had some serious clutch overheating before we
arrived. (Don't know about the others, but we three were getting pretty hot
in
the clutch department).

About fifteen minutes before we were supposed to head back it started
raining.
Oh well, 'real' race cars race in the rain.... The problem: it was dark, and
the side streets Reno PD led us on were equally dark! I don't know how the
others handled it, but I damaged my skid plate when I dropped a wheel in one
of Reno's "infamous pot holes".

No problems with HMSA or the National Auto Museum... but Reno PD needs to
work
on their routine before next years parade.
Carl Lotus 61 FF

http://www.renohistorics.com/
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC


Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch.

Check this sad story out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/

Wm. Severin Thompson
_______________________________________________
ngsmith101 at yahoo.com

Vintage-race mailing list
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race

 

  

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From ngsmith101 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 18 09:52:46 2007
From: ngsmith101 at yahoo.com (N Smith)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 08:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
In-Reply-To: <001301c7b1a3$c65037c0$52f0a740$@com>
Message-ID: <708606.60934.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yes, I was there a couple of cars behind that mess. I agree.
   
  Nick
  

"Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:
        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}                Well, at last years BRIC, the race organizers were not to blame just dumbass drivers. As we paraded to the town for the concours in our race cars, and even after one Mclaren had lost it, swerved off the road, and ended upside down in a creek, where they had to rescued other McLarens were still doing burnouts on the crowd lined street. It was stupid. Something like what happened in TN could have easily happened here.
   
    From: N Smith [mailto:ngsmith101 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:39 PM
To: Carl McLelland; Wm. Severin Thompson; vintage-race at autox.team.net; 'Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'
Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC

   
    I have not seen that drag racing accident story. That is not only is tragic but totally irresponsible on the promoters part. My sympathies go out to the families of the people affected by this. There will no doubt be justifiable lawsuits to follow.

     

    Nick

    

Carl McLelland <carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

    Just the opposite occurred at the 'parade' before the HMSA Reno (Nevada)
Historic Races in May. Approx. 35 race cars assembled at the National Auto
Museum on Wednesday, May 2nd. Reno Police Dept. was 'supposed to' have blocked
all the intersections for the seven or eight block parade from the museum to
Virginia Street where the cars were on display for three hours, then escort us
back to the museum to load.

For the parade 'to' Virginia Street we averaged about 5 miles per hour with
stops every fifty feet or so. I was in my Lotus 61, directly behind me was a
McLaren M10A F5000 and he was followed by a Gurney Eagle/Weslake F1 car. I
would rather imagine they had some serious clutch overheating before we
arrived. (Don't know about the others, but we three were getting pretty hot in
the clutch department).

About fifteen minutes before we were supposed to head back it started raining.
Oh well, 'real' race cars race in the rain.... The problem: it was dark, and
the side streets Reno PD led us on were equally dark! I don't know how the
others handled it, but I damaged my skid plate when I dropped a wheel in one
of Reno's "infamous pot holes".

No problems with HMSA or the National Auto Museum... but Reno PD needs to work
on their routine before next years parade.
Carl Lotus 61 FF

http://www.renohistorics.com/
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC


Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch.

Check this sad story out.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/

Wm. Severin Thompson
_______________________________________________
ngsmith101 at yahoo.com

Vintage-race mailing list
Vintage-race at autox.team.net
http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race
   
    
    
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From don.queen at gmail.com  Mon Jun 18 10:17:00 2007
From: don.queen at gmail.com (Don Queen)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 09:17:00 -0700
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
In-Reply-To: <708606.60934.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <001301c7b1a3$c65037c0$52f0a740$@com>
	<708606.60934.qm@web36408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7d7cd5f00706180917i4d652147t4996e430a3ea42d5@mail.gmail.com>

It's a shame, this probably spells the end for all the fun parades at Reno,
Sonoma, Elkhart, etc.

Don Queen


On 6/18/07, N Smith <ngsmith101 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I was there a couple of cars behind that mess. I agree.
>
> Nick
>
>
> "Wm. Severin Thompson" <wsthompson at thicko.com> wrote:
>        v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  o\:*
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);}  .shape
> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}                Well, at last year s BRIC, the
> race organizers were not to blame  just dumbass drivers. As we paraded to
> the town for the concours in our race cars, and even after one Mclaren had
> lost it, swerved off the road, and ended upside down in a creek, where they
> had to rescued  other McLarens were still doing burnouts on the crowd lined
> street. It was stupid. Something like what happened in TN could have easily
> happened here.
>
>    From: N Smith [mailto:ngsmith101 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 11:39 PM
> To: Carl McLelland; Wm. Severin Thompson; vintage-race at autox.team.net; '
> Team-Thicko at Autox.Team.Net'
> Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
>
>
>    I have not seen that drag racing accident story. That is not only is
> tragic but totally irresponsible on the promoters part. My sympathies go out
> to the families of the people affected by this. There will no doubt be
> justifiable lawsuits to follow.
>
>
>
>    Nick
>
>
>
> Carl McLelland <carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>    Just the opposite occurred at the 'parade' before the HMSA Reno
> (Nevada)
> Historic Races in May. Approx. 35 race cars assembled at the National Auto
> Museum on Wednesday, May 2nd. Reno Police Dept. was 'supposed to' have
> blocked
> all the intersections for the seven or eight block parade from the museum
> to
> Virginia Street where the cars were on display for three hours, then
> escort us
> back to the museum to load.
>
> For the parade 'to' Virginia Street we averaged about 5 miles per hour
> with
> stops every fifty feet or so. I was in my Lotus 61, directly behind me was
> a
> McLaren M10A F5000 and he was followed by a Gurney Eagle/Weslake F1 car. I
> would rather imagine they had some serious clutch overheating before we
> arrived. (Don't know about the others, but we three were getting pretty
> hot in
> the clutch department).
>
> About fifteen minutes before we were supposed to head back it started
> raining.
> Oh well, 'real' race cars race in the rain.... The problem: it was dark,
> and
> the side streets Reno PD led us on were equally dark! I don't know how the
> others handled it, but I damaged my skid plate when I dropped a wheel in
> one
> of Reno's "infamous pot holes".
>
> No problems with HMSA or the National Auto Museum... but Reno PD needs to
> work
> on their routine before next years parade.
> Carl Lotus 61 FF
>
> http://www.renohistorics.com/
> Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
>
>
> Last year during the parade to town, the McLarens were doing burnouts, and
> the one guy ended up upside down in the ditch.
>
> Check this sad story out.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19267840/
>
> Wm. Severin Thompson
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From Gt6steve at aol.com  Mon Jun 18 10:46:21 2007
From: Gt6steve at aol.com (Gt6steve at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:46:21 EDT
Subject: [Vintage-race] could have been at the BRIC
Message-ID: <cea.11ff2697.33a810dd@aol.com>

Yes sadly, that is how our culture works nowadays isn't it?

It's a shame, this probably spells the end for all the fun parades at Reno,
Sonoma, Elkhart, etc.




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