From chasgee at aol.com Tue Jul 10 17:00:06 2007 From: chasgee at aol.com (chasgee at aol.com) Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 19:00:06 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] 45 DCOEs Message-ID: <8C9915D31664F5E-1160-59D4@WEBMAIL-MB12.sysops.aol.com> All, I'm looking for a pair of 45 DCOEs.? Anyone have some laying around? Chuck Gee Blacksmith Racing ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From franks97 at verizon.net Wed Jul 11 21:46:15 2007 From: franks97 at verizon.net (Franks) Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:46:15 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For the last eight years I9ve been racing a 1967 AH Sprite in various racing groups throughout the west coast (SCCA vintage, CSRG, SOVREN). For many of those years I have run the Sprite with a Weber 45 DCOE carburetor. As various organizations have unevenly enforced 3period correct2 requirements I9ve tried running SU9s and have had limited success. The car runs well most of the time but over the course of a weekend inevitably starves for fuel usually during the final race. I know, I9ve been told and tried all the tricks with the floats, needles, bowels, adjustments etc. and don9t even get me started on the number of A Series engines with 1-1/22 SUs in place of the correct 1-1/42, like that is more 3legal2 then a Weber. As I have attended variously sanctioned vintage events I always come across cars running Webers that didn9t come with them as an option back in the day. I am usually told the car was approved that way by the FIA and if I could produce FIA papers that show a Sprite ran with Webers then I could use one on my car. So, after this long rant, my question is: Has anyone come across FIA papers allowing a Sprite to run a Weber carburetor in competition. I thought the LeMans cars used them. If you are aware of a source for this documentation I would like to know how to obtain a copy. Thanks! -- David Franks franks97 at verizon.net 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue From dmeadow at juno.com Thu Jul 12 06:12:37 2007 From: dmeadow at juno.com (dmeadow at juno.com) Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question Message-ID: <20070712.071239.1916.0.dmeadow@juno.com> David, I feel your pain. The vintage organizations are very inconsistent on this sort of thing. SVRA once required 1.25 SUs (although I consistenly saw 1.5s on cars at their events) but in the last few years their rules have changed considerably. Our organization, CVAR, will allow any carb setup that has the same number of throats as the original. That basically allows you to run one Weber or any size SU. That rule is under constant threat of revision to change back to requiring original sized SUs. Almost every car I've seen that has come from RMVR runs Webers, although I don't know much about their rules. I don't know anyone in CVAR that is running a Weber on a Spridget (and there are over 25 cars). We all run SUs, though many folks are running 1.5 inch setups. I've always run the 1.25s and haven't had any problem with them, but I probably don't have the same fuel/air demands you have in your motor. You've got to break some other rules (or some engines) if you're going to run rpms in excess of about 7000 in our organization, so that may have something to do with it. When you say you are running out of fuel, don't you mean you are running out of both air and fuel? It seems that you won't get the power out of your motor with the 1.25s, but you shouldn't just run out of fuel. There are some common (and legal) mods that can be made to the 1.25s to give more flow, which is basically what the old SCCA folks used to do. I don't have the FIA information you're seeking, but I do have a word of warning. Most organizations won't allow you to pick and choose your rules. In other words, you can't run one modification because the FIA allowed you to do it and run another modification because the old SCCA rules allowed you to do it. You have to 100% adhere to one or the other, though enforcement and everything else varies from organization to organization, as you point out. You may already know this, but at least some of the FIA rules can be found at http://www.sovren.org/competition/competition.htm. Good luck! David Littlefield 1974 MG Midget #57 On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 20:46:15 -0700 Franks writes: > For the last eight years I9ve been racing a 1967 AH Sprite in various > racing > groups throughout the west coast (SCCA vintage, CSRG, SOVREN). For > many of > those years I have run the Sprite with a Weber 45 DCOE carburetor. > As > various organizations have unevenly enforced 3period correct2 > requirements > I9ve tried running SU9s and have had limited success. The car runs > well most > of the time but over the course of a weekend inevitably starves for > fuel > usually during the final race. I know, I9ve been told and tried all > the > tricks with the floats, needles, bowels, adjustments etc. and don9t > even get > me started on the number of A Series engines with 1-1/22 SUs in > place of the > correct 1-1/42, like that is more 3legal2 then a Weber. > > As I have attended variously sanctioned vintage events I always come > across > cars running Webers that didn9t come with them as an option back in > the day. > I am usually told the car was approved that way by the FIA and if I > could > produce FIA papers that show a Sprite ran with Webers then I could > use one > on my car. > > So, after this long rant, my question is: Has anyone come across FIA > papers > allowing a Sprite to run a Weber carburetor in competition. I > thought the > LeMans cars used them. If you are aware of a source for this > documentation I > would like to know how to obtain a copy. > > Thanks! > > > -- > David Franks > franks97 at verizon.net > 67 AH Sprite #82 Blue > _______________________________________________ > dmeadow at juno.com > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From JWoesvra at aol.com Fri Jul 13 13:32:21 2007 From: JWoesvra at aol.com (JWoesvra at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:32:21 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question Message-ID: In a message dated 7/12/2007 7:13:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dmeadow at juno.com writes: I feel your pain. The vintage organizations are very inconsistent on this sort of thing. SVRA once required 1.25 SUs (although I consistenly saw 1.5s on cars at their events) but in the last few years their rules have changed considerably. David, As you know, I have been Technical Director of SVRA since 1991 and a racer since 1982. During that period, SVRA has always recognized a single Weber as being equivalent to 2 SU carbs across the board regardless of make or model. There has never been a size restriction (i.e. 1 1/4" vs 1 1/2") I don't know where you ever got the idea you state above. VSCCA? VDCA? The situation with groups requiring Homologation papers is also very draconian in my opinion, in the year 2007. One need only to examine a copy of the FIA yearbook for (take your pick) whatever year you want to and you will find how difficult it is to apply this to modern vintage racing. It all depends on the "Group" a particular event was being run under. Groups 1 & 3 where essentially "showroom stock". Groups 2 & 4 where improved groups where carburetion was "free". A sports car running Group 3 standards was limited to exactly what the factory stated on the official forms. However, most events were actually run under Group 4-5 specifications, and Group 2 for sedans, the equivalent of Group 4 for sports cars.). It is silly for organizations to try to refer to these regulations "by the book". However, if they want Sprites to have 1 1/2" SU's, just say so. Don't try to justify it by going by the book. Jack Woehrle SVRA ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From dmeadow at juno.com Fri Jul 13 18:23:22 2007 From: dmeadow at juno.com (dmeadow at juno.com) Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:23:22 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question Message-ID: <20070713.192323.1692.3.dmeadow@juno.com> Jack, OK, I pulled out the SVRA Supplemental Regulations for Austin Healey Sprite and MG Midget that you faxed me on June 5, 2001. Can you believe I still have this crap? I've REALLY got to do some closet cleaning! It does say that a Single Weber DCOE carburetor and manifold are OK as an "SVRA approved option." However, it doesn't say that there is no size restriction on SUs, and, in fact, specifies 1.25" SUs in the top section under Engine. I interpret this to mean you can run 1.25" SUs or you can run a Weber. Now, I suppose there is a thread of logic that says if there is no apparent throat restriction on Webers that would imply there would be none on SUs, given performance. However, as Technical Director I'm sure you would say "if the rules don't say you can do it, then you can't." Therefore, I don't see how you could run a 1.5" SU according to the Supplement. Maybe there is a general rule out there that I don't have. I do remember being surprised when I got to the event (Zippo in '01) and seeing a 1.5" SU setup on a SVRA car or two. Not that I cared much, considering I wasn't contemplating running anything but 1.25" SUs, but I do remember reading the rules closely and being surprised. My memory being what it is, I didn't remember what was said about a Weber, specifically, although I do remember the size of the SUs being apparently limited. So that's where I ever got that idea, right or wrong. Of course, this is now a long time ago and the rules, as I stated, have changed since. David On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:32:21 EDT JWoesvra at aol.com writes: In a message dated 7/12/2007 7:13:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dmeadow at juno.com writes: I feel your pain. The vintage organizations are very inconsistent on this sort of thing. SVRA once required 1.25 SUs (although I consistenly saw 1.5s on cars at their events) but in the last few years their rules have changed considerably. David, As you know, I have been Technical Director of SVRA since 1991 and a racer since 1982. During that period, SVRA has always recognized a single Weber as being equivalent to 2 SU carbs across the board regardless of make or model. There has never been a size restriction (i.e. 1 1/4" vs 1 1/2") I don't know where you ever got the idea you state above. VSCCA? VDCA? The situation with groups requiring Homologation papers is also very draconian in my opinion, in the year 2007. One need only to examine a copy of the FIA yearbook for (take your pick) whatever year you want to and you will find how difficult it is to apply this to modern vintage racing. It all depends on the "Group" a particular event was being run under. Groups 1 & 3 where essentially "showroom stock". Groups 2 & 4 where improved groups where carburetion was "free". A sports car running Group 3 standards was limited to exactly what the factory stated on the official forms. However, most events were actually run under Group 4-5 specifications, and Group 2 for sedans, the equivalent of Group 4 for sports cars.). It is silly for organizations to try to refer to these regulations "by the book". However, if they want Sprites to have 1 1/2" SU's, just say so. Don't try to justify it by going by the book. Jack Woehrle SVRA Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL.com. From 56887 at msn.com Sat Jul 14 09:39:09 2007 From: 56887 at msn.com (Stewart Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 08:39:09 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question Message-ID: I thought the FIA allowed any carb as long as it was fitted to the unaltered original manifold. There is always someone who knows of a Sprite that ran with twin Webers and eight port head, or that 1480 cc engine and 6" wide tires...... like the Spitfires and GT6's that run Webers because Triumph ran a GT6 with Webers in the Macau GP (honest according to Kastner that was it in 1967?) which would make that an interesting car but doesn't grandfather Webers for all Spits and GT's. Out West here there is a 1967 cut off date in HMSA and CSRG and I know that CSRG tries to check cars for proper configuration when they join (they don't make guest cars toe the line ) but many good people will update their cars after their vehicles are accepted. The thought is that it's a gentleman's sport and gentlemen will not "update" and gentlemen won't complain. I always figured if your car wasn't raced at Lemans then maybe the SCCA guide lines should work? Or if you want to go faster find a different car? The only pain is self inflicted. Stewart Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: JWoesvra at aol.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:35 PM To: dmeadow at juno.com; franks97 at verizon.net Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question In a message dated 7/12/2007 7:13:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dmeadow at juno.com writes: I feel your pain. The vintage organizations are very inconsistent on this sort of thing. SVRA once required 1.25 SUs (although I consistenly saw 1.5s on cars at their events) but in the last few years their rules have changed considerably. David, As you know, I have been Technical Director of SVRA since 1991 and a racer since 1982. During that period, SVRA has always recognized a single Weber as being equivalent to 2 SU carbs across the board regardless of make or model. There has never been a size restriction (i.e. 1 1/4" vs 1 1/2") I don't know where you ever got the idea you state above. VSCCA? VDCA? The situation with groups requiring Homologation papers is also very draconian in my opinion, in the year 2007. One need only to examine a copy of the FIA yearbook for (take your pick) whatever year you want to and you will find how difficult it is to apply this to modern vintage racing. It all depends on the "Group" a particular event was being run under. Groups 1 & 3 where essentially "showroom stock". Groups 2 & 4 where improved groups where carburetion was "free". A sports car running Group 3 standards was limited to exactly what the factory stated on the official forms. However, most events were actually run under Group 4-5 specifications, and Group 2 for sedans, the equivalent of Group 4 for sports cars.). It is silly for organizations to try to refer to these regulations "by the book". However, if they want Sprites to have 1 1/2" SU's, just say so. Don't try to justify it by going by the book. Jack Woehrle SVRA ************************************** Get a sneak peak of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ 56887 at msn.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From cfchrist at earthlink.net Sat Jul 14 21:29:18 2007 From: cfchrist at earthlink.net (charles christ) Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2007 23:29:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question Message-ID: <21952507.1184470158378.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> so much for a big block chevy with injection mated to a transaxle midship in my saab? LOL! ;) (we now posess 3 '60 saab 93F's! look out next season! *grin* ) SVRA group 1 official "greeter" car (evryone passes me at least once per track session)...LOL! chuck '60 saab 93F #251 -----Original Message----- >From: Stewart Smith <56887 at msn.com> >Sent: Jul 14, 2007 11:39 AM >To: JWoesvra , dmeadow at juno.com, franks97 at verizon.net >Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question > >I thought the FIA allowed any carb as long as it was fitted to the unaltered >original manifold. There is always someone who knows of a Sprite that ran with >twin Webers and eight port head, or that 1480 cc engine and 6" wide >tires...... like the Spitfires and GT6's that run Webers because Triumph ran a >GT6 with Webers in the Macau GP (honest according to Kastner that was it in >1967?) which would make that an interesting car but doesn't grandfather Webers >for all Spits and GT's. Out West here there is a 1967 cut off date in HMSA and >CSRG and I know that CSRG tries to check cars for proper configuration when >they join (they don't make guest cars toe the line ) but many good people will >update their cars after their vehicles are accepted. > >The thought is that it's a gentleman's sport and gentlemen will not "update" >and gentlemen won't complain. I always figured if your car wasn't raced at >Lemans then maybe the SCCA guide lines should work? Or if you want to go >faster find a different car? The only pain is self inflicted. > >Stewart Smith From MAIL4CARPENTERS at peoplepc.com Sun Jul 15 17:52:03 2007 From: MAIL4CARPENTERS at peoplepc.com (MICHAEL CARPENTER) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 19:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question References: <21952507.1184470158378.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <000001c46ae0$056218b0$cef6f904@D1PWFG61> Gee there will be a lot more backmarkers to have to get by ;^)). ----- Original Message ----- From: "charles christ" To: "Stewart Smith" <56887 at msn.com>; "JWoesvra" ; ; Cc: Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question > so much for a big block chevy with injection mated to a transaxle midship > in my saab? LOL! ;) (we now posess 3 '60 saab 93F's! look out next > season! *grin* ) > > > SVRA group 1 official "greeter" car (evryone passes me at least once per > track session)...LOL! > chuck > '60 saab 93F #251 > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Stewart Smith <56887 at msn.com> >>Sent: Jul 14, 2007 11:39 AM >>To: JWoesvra , dmeadow at juno.com, franks97 at verizon.net >>Cc: vintage-race at autox.team.net >>Subject: Re: [Vintage-race] FIA Spridget and Webber Question >> >>I thought the FIA allowed any carb as long as it was fitted to the >>unaltered >>original manifold. There is always someone who knows of a Sprite that ran >>with >>twin Webers and eight port head, or that 1480 cc engine and 6" wide >>tires...... like the Spitfires and GT6's that run Webers because Triumph >>ran a >>GT6 with Webers in the Macau GP (honest according to Kastner that was it >>in >>1967?) which would make that an interesting car but doesn't grandfather >>Webers >>for all Spits and GT's. Out West here there is a 1967 cut off date in HMSA >>and >>CSRG and I know that CSRG tries to check cars for proper configuration >>when >>they join (they don't make guest cars toe the line ) but many good people >>will >>update their cars after their vehicles are accepted. >> >>The thought is that it's a gentleman's sport and gentlemen will not >>"update" >>and gentlemen won't complain. I always figured if your car wasn't raced at >>Lemans then maybe the SCCA guide lines should work? Or if you want to go >>faster find a different car? The only pain is self inflicted. >> >>Stewart Smith From bluechipracing at snet.net Tue Jul 17 10:38:09 2007 From: bluechipracing at snet.net (bluechip) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 12:38:09 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix Message-ID: <014b01c7c890$dcf77840$1f9bfea9@dell> We just returned from the 2007 PVGP, and all I can say is "Best Ever!" 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It has covered the world of US and European racing. This car has been approved by and raced in many venues including: SCCA, CSRG, HMSA (The Monterey Historic Group). It has a current Log Book... The car has just undergone a total restoration and is ready to race. From SSGEORGESR at aol.com Tue Jul 17 22:48:31 2007 From: SSGEORGESR at aol.com (SSGEORGESR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:48:31 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] TOW VEHICLE FOR SALE Message-ID: I sold my car and trailer over a year ago and my Suburban has seen little use since. It needs a new home. 2002 Suburban 2500 LT 8.1 4X4. Pewter. 3.73 rear. Rated to tow 10000#. Gray/Neutral Leather buckets in front, bench in second and third row. 49800 miles. New tires and battery. About as clean inside and out as it was when new. Never damaged. Well maintained. All records. Vehicle located In Maryland. List in '02 over 47K. Kelly book says 24K, I would like $19500.00. _ssgeorgesr at aol.com_ (mailto:ssgeorgesr at aol.com) 410-472-2093 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Awgertoo at aol.com Wed Jul 18 12:20:05 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:20:05 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts Message-ID: The front uprights on my Elva Courier are off a drum-braked Triumph Herald and I believe they are also used in Lotus 7's and 11's and other cars. Is there a good US source for trunnions, ball joints, bushings, etc? Thanks in advance--Michael Oritt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Jul 18 12:26:20 2007 From: carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net (Carl McLelland) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 11:26:20 -0700 Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts References: Message-ID: <033e01c7c969$24e51350$6cc4fea9@lotus61mff> Michael Call Dave Bean Engineering. (209) 754-5802 I know the exact parts you need.. they are the same on my Lotus 61 FF. I would give you the part #'s except I'm at the computer and my parts book is out in the shop. Not to worry, when you call them they will know exactly what you need. Race Safe... Carl ----- Original Message ----- From: Awgertoo at aol.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net ; VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts The front uprights on my Elva Courier are off a drum-braked Triumph Herald and I believe they are also used in Lotus 7's and 11's and other cars. Is there a good US source for trunnions, ball joints, bushings, etc? Thanks in advance--Michael Oritt From Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com Wed Jul 18 12:42:31 2007 From: Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com (Roger Sieling) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts References: Message-ID: Don't know if your Elva uses the upper ball joint w/ the two horizontal bolts through it, but if it does, then they are all common Triumph Spitfire/ GT6 parts. Later Spitfire uprights are different, but the trunnions and bushes are all the same. Roger -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+rogsie=telesistech.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Awgertoo at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:20 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net; VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts The front uprights on my Elva Courier are off a drum-braked Triumph Herald and I believe they are also used in Lotus 7's and 11's and other cars. Is there a good US source for trunnions, ball joints, bushings, etc? Thanks in advance--Michael Oritt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ rogsie at telesistech.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Awgertoo at aol.com Wed Jul 18 12:46:04 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:46:04 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2007 2:27:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, carlynneracing at sbcglobal.net writes: Call Dave Bean Engineering. (209) 754-5802 Thanks much Carl-- Best--Michael Oritt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Awgertoo at aol.com Wed Jul 18 12:56:13 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:56:13 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Triumph Herald upright parts Message-ID: In a message dated 7/18/2007 2:43:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Roger.Sieling at telesistech.com writes: Don't know if your Elva uses the upper ball joint w/ the two horizontal bolts through it, but if it does, then they are all common Triumph Spitfire/ GT6 parts. Later Spitfire uprights are different, but the trunnions and bushes are all the same. Roger-- Good idea--I just looked at Canley's page and though they show some parts different for the drum-braked Heralds the upper ball joints and trunnions appear to be common. I'll check tomorrow comparing some later suspension parts to what is on the car. 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Chassis, electrics, plumbing, upholstery, front suspension and many other details are finished. Comes complete with a set of brand new, never used, Dunlop Racing Tires mounted on a set of brand-new wheels  two new sets of wheels (8) are included. and moulds for the body. Lots of photos of the original car included. Whats needed to finish? I have a list Ill supply The price to own one of the most unique cars around? $6000.00 CDN OBO Finished and ready to race its cheaper than a Spriteand MUCH faster. The Panther as a stock motor is 65hpthats 100lbs per hp Mike Rosen (416) 487-8166 or mra at sympatico.ca [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PICT0001-SMALL.jpg] [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of PICT0003-SMALL.jpg] From mra at sympatico.ca Thu Jul 19 08:57:34 2007 From: mra at sympatico.ca (Michael Rosen) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:57:34 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Mercury Outboard Special with photos Message-ID: <469F7BDE.3070002@sympatico.ca> *For Sale Mercury Outboard Special -- project car partly finished * One-off 1965 Canadian Sports Racer, built and raced by Vince Murray. This is the 4 cyl. sister car to the Polivka 6 cyl. Outboard Special. This is your chance to own one of the oddest, neatest, most distinctive tiny perfect vintage race cars ever built... a 600lb. Sports Racer powered by a 1000cc. Mercury 650 Panther two-stroke with a centrifugal clutch and sequential shift via a Triumph motorcycle gearbox. Odd? You bet! Chassis, electrics, plumbing, upholstery, front suspension and many other details are finished. jpeg1jpeg2 Comes complete with a set of brand new, never used, Dunlop Racing Tires mounted on a set of brand-new wheels -- two new sets of wheels (8) are included.... and moulds for the body. Lots of photos of the original car included. What's needed to finish? I have a list I'll supply The price to own one of the most unique cars around? $6000.00 CDN OBO Finished and ready to race it's cheaper than a Sprite...and MUCH faster. *The Panther as a stock motor is 65hp...that's 100lbs per hp * *Mike Rosen (416) 487-8166* From mhkitchen at aol.com Thu Jul 19 18:26:34 2007 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 20:26:34 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Email address of Ken Epsman? Message-ID: <8C9987BC35690BA-7E8-60E8@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> Hey all: Anyone out there have an email address for Kenny Epsman?? I need to contact him off-line.? Thanks, Myles H. Kitchen 1965 Lotus Cortina Mk1 #128 ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From mhkitchen at aol.com Fri Jul 20 16:49:17 2007 From: mhkitchen at aol.com (mhkitchen at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 18:49:17 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Thanks for response on Ken Epsman email Message-ID: <8C99937565B820B-7E8-9A9B@webmail-db09.sysops.aol.com> All: Thanks to all for the overwhelming reply I got to my request.? Kenny contacted me as well. Stay safe, go fast. Regards, Myles ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. From Awgertoo at aol.com Mon Jul 23 12:52:09 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:52:09 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Open-faced helmet needed Message-ID: I am navigating in the upcoming Targa Newfoundland September 8 to 15--the car in which I am riding is an Austin-Healey 100 and has a fixed windshield and hardtop, so I am able to use an open-faced helmet which would make both map-reading and communications much easier. I only have a full-face helmet and if anyone has a 2000 or 2005 open-faced helmet in 7-3/4 that they would be willing to lend me I would be greatly indebted. Best--Michael Oritt ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From Awgertoo at aol.com Mon Jul 30 09:37:27 2007 From: Awgertoo at aol.com (Awgertoo at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:37:27 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Grattan/gear set Message-ID: I run a 4.2 differential on most tracks (VIR, BeaveRun, Summit Point, Mosport) and a 4.55 on short ones (Lime Rock, Shenandoah, etc.). I'm thinking about driving out to the VSCDA event at Grattan and wonder if anyone can compare it to any of the above so that I can set up appropriately. Best--Michael Oritt Elva Courier #82 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From gerrybraz at cablespeed.com Mon Jul 30 17:49:32 2007 From: gerrybraz at cablespeed.com (Gerald Brazil) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:49:32 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Grattan/gear set In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004901c7d304$49dfeb90$6581a8c0@DADSTOY> Grattan has a pretty long front straight and you would definitely run out of RPMs with the 4.55. Even with the 4.2 you might have to keep an eye on the tach toward the end of the front straight. The 4.2 should still give you some power out of the corners. BTW, Grattan is a great track and you are going to love it! Everybody who drives it for the first time gets a real kick out of turn three. Watch out for the little "whoop-ti-do" hill at the end of the back straight. The car gets real light and if you get on the brakes too hard and too early you will lock them up and slide right off the track. People do it every race. Hope to see you there in August. -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+gerrybraz=cablespeed.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+gerrybraz=cablespeed.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Awgertoo at aol.com Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 11:37 AM To: VRG_NewsGroup at yahoogroups.com; vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Grattan/gear set I run a 4.2 differential on most tracks (VIR, BeaveRun, Summit Point, Mosport) and a 4.55 on short ones (Lime Rock, Shenandoah, etc.). I'm thinking about driving out to the VSCDA event at Grattan and wonder if anyone can compare it to any of the above so that I can set up appropriately. Best--Michael Oritt Elva Courier #82 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _______________________________________________ gerrybraz at cablespeed.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jul 30 18:31:06 2007 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:31:06 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Grattan/gear set In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20070731003137.7AD24187A03@autox.team.net> Dunno if this helps, but I run a 4.11 everywhere. At VIR, I use 4th overdrive, at Grattan I use 4th but not 4 OD. It's a 22% overdrive, in a TR-4. - Tony Drews At 10:37 AM 7/30/2007, Awgertoo at aol.com wrote: >I run a 4.2 differential on most tracks (VIR, BeaveRun, Summit Point, >Mosport) and a 4.55 on short ones (Lime Rock, Shenandoah, >etc.). I'm thinking >about driving out to the VSCDA event at Grattan and wonder if anyone >can compare >it to any of the above so that I can set up appropriately. > >Best--Michael Oritt >Elva Courier #82 From jimk351c at yahoo.com Tue Jul 31 17:57:10 2007 From: jimk351c at yahoo.com (Jim Karamanis) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] FWD: All-racing network channel In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <529789.48529.qm@web54503.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Received this today, thought some of you might find this interesting: Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 10:59:38 -0400 From: NASA National News Subject: NASA National News Message Dear NASA Fan, You are receiving this email because your email address is in NASAs national database. We very rarely email everyone in the database on a national level, but there is some very important news. A new all-racing network channel is about to launch in 2008. It will feature many forms of racing. NASA will have at least 10 hours of 1st-run programming (plus reruns) during 2008. This means that you and/ or your race could be shown on this network (even HPDE will be featured!). However, new networks such as this need help to show that the service provider would gain subscribers. Please take 30 seconds to clink on the link found on this page http://www.theracingnetwork.com, and enter your email address. There is no obligation; this is merely help to get this network on the air. Your email address will not be sold or given out. I hope you can help; and thank you for the understanding regarding this rare emailing. This will not be a regular thing. Sincerely, Jerry Kunzman Executive Director ------ Jim Karamanis | Manassas, Virginia | www.dcconline.org