From bob at harringtonphoto.ca Wed Aug 1 15:12:16 2007 From: bob at harringtonphoto.ca (Bob Harrington) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 17:12:16 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: ALICE BIXLER Message-ID: <010101c7d480$b63d1fb0$6401a8c0@BHARRINGTON> If anyone can help Kelvin respond directly to him Thanks Bob H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelvin Smith" Subject: ALICE BIXLER > Can you help me track down anyone who knows anything about ALICE > BIXLER who took a lot of photos at the 1963 SEBRING 12 HOUR RACE ,I > am trying to get copies of ,in particular,the triumph TRS, car number 40 > KIND REGARDS > Kelvin Smith From sevenamerica at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 13:49:45 2007 From: sevenamerica at yahoo.com (John Donohoe) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 12:49:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Vintage-race] Mini Cooper parts - needed/available Message-ID: <519635.41140.qm@web32705.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi Guys, first off, apologies for letting SimpleSevens go stale this sumer... too many things going on -- mostly good but some bad too :-( Anyway, one of the good things was my 16 year old son, Austin, located a pair of '65 Mini Cooper basket case cars. He's an excellent student and will be going to a good engineering school (they're recruiting him already) so I expect he'll be successful in his goal of having one streetable by his graduation open house almost 2 years away. We're currently inventorying duplicate parts and making a list of parts needed. If there's anyone near Mid Michigan that would like to chat about swapping parts or even to come by and see what we have, please let me know! Generally, I know we are in need of interior parts, those which often get stripped from a racer, and we have quite a few hard parts available -- doors, front, side and rear glass, subframes, etc. We also have a fiberglass tilt up front end of unknown origin, and are in need of an original front clip -- wings and grill surround. Please email me off list to discuss details. Thanks, John Donohoe SimpleSevens.org ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC From John.Desantis at Inficon.com Tue Aug 7 14:38:38 2007 From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com (John.Desantis at Inficon.com) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:38:38 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Rent a racer Message-ID: I find myself with out a engine for Zippo at the Glen this year - does anyone have any info on renting a car for the event. May be I should get a hold of Mr BS Levy about a ride, bum a ride off the ride bummer? Anyway - I as just curious. John DeSantis From twobees at sprynet.com Tue Aug 7 14:41:25 2007 From: twobees at sprynet.com (Norm) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 16:41:25 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Rent a racer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000301c7d933$52fc62a0$5f2976d0@normoffice> Just call Kent or Andrew at Vintage Racing Services. They can help you out. Early on I rented from Kent. Norm Sippel -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+twobees=sprynet.com at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+twobees=sprynet.com at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John.Desantis at Inficon.com Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 4:39 PM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Rent a racer I find myself with out a engine for Zippo at the Glen this year - does anyone have any info on renting a car for the event. May be I should get a hold of Mr BS Levy about a ride, bum a ride off the ride bummer? Anyway - I as just curious. John DeSantis _______________________________________________ twobees at sprynet.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From mrzepkow at rochester.rr.com Fri Aug 10 07:30:15 2007 From: mrzepkow at rochester.rr.com (Marlene Rzepkowski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:30:15 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Garage Lift Opinions and advice. Message-ID: <006d01c7db52$966919e0$0200a8c0@Ziprrrzdesktop> I am writing this note to 3 vintage race lists to solicit some opinions (first hand knowledge preferred) about a quality, 2 post lift for my garage. After doing some on-line research, the "Complete Hydraulics Model SL-10,000 OH" looks to be a very nice lift with the widest drive through clearance, flexible lifting arm configurations, and an attractive price. But I don't want to be seduced by price, if I am putting my cars on it and my body under it with those cars on it, I want safety and reliability. Here is a link to that lift. http://www.completehydraulic.com/sl10000oh.html If anyone has any first hand experience with or knowledge of this lift, please contact me with your opinions at dick at mgcarclub.com The Bend PAK model XP-10C is a contender but you have less flexibility in lifting. You buy it either configured as a symmetric (XP-10C) or an asymmetric (XP-10AC) arm configuration and pay about $500 to $600 more than the "Complete Hydraulics" brand unit above. I've seen Bend PAK in plenty of service garages so I know it is used in commercial applications and the owners I've spoken with are all pleased with its reliability and durability. If this is the best alternative what is the arm configuration that folks on the list have used and why do you like the symmetric versus asymmetric configuration. So send me your advice. Thanks in advance to all. Dick Rz. dick at mgcarclub.com From james.f.juhas at snet.net Fri Aug 10 07:55:42 2007 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:55:42 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Garage Lift Opinions and advice. In-Reply-To: <006d01c7db52$966919e0$0200a8c0@Ziprrrzdesktop> References: <006d01c7db52$966919e0$0200a8c0@Ziprrrzdesktop> Message-ID: <46BC6E5E.9010103@snet.net> Since you referred specifically to 2-post lifts, it seems as though you have narrowed your choice to that variety. I chose a 4-post lift in deference to the safety and security concerns you mentioned, as well as less complicated installation; nothing needs to be fastened to the floor. Undercarriage work is easier because everything is exposed, and suspension work is achievable by using auxiliary jacks to raise the frame once on the lift. The only downside is the inability to quickly change wheels using it, but I have adapted by doing that with a floor jack. The race car changes wheels more frequently than all others, but nevertheless, I find I still prefer the 4-post. Mine is an Eagle that I have had for a number of years, and at the time, it cost in actual dollars about twice what these seem to be going for. It is a 7,000# lift. Marlene Rzepkowski wrote: > I am writing this note to 3 vintage race lists to solicit some opinions (first > hand knowledge preferred) about a quality, 2 post lift for my garage. After > doing some on-line research, the "Complete Hydraulics Model SL-10,000 OH" > looks to be a very nice lift with the widest drive through clearance, flexible > lifting arm configurations, and an attractive price. But I don't want to be > seduced by price, if I am putting my cars on it and my body under it with > those cars on it, I want safety and reliability. Here is a link to that lift. > http://www.completehydraulic.com/sl10000oh.html If anyone has any first hand > experience with or knowledge of this lift, please contact me with your > opinions at dick at mgcarclub.com > > The Bend PAK model XP-10C is a contender but you have less flexibility in > lifting. You buy it either configured as a symmetric (XP-10C) or an > asymmetric (XP-10AC) arm configuration and pay about $500 to $600 more than > the "Complete Hydraulics" brand unit above. I've seen Bend PAK in plenty of > service garages so I know it is used in commercial applications and the owners > I've spoken with are all pleased with its reliability and durability. If this > is the best alternative what is the arm configuration that folks on the list > have used and why do you like the symmetric versus asymmetric configuration. > > So send me your advice. Thanks in advance to all. > > Dick Rz. > dick at mgcarclub.com > _______________________________________________ > james.f.juhas at snet.net > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From John.Desantis at Inficon.com Fri Aug 10 08:36:36 2007 From: John.Desantis at Inficon.com (John.Desantis at Inficon.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 10:36:36 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: What was in the barn? Message-ID: This story sounds a bit bizarre - just a bit, but the pictures will make you cry. Has anyone see this before, or know more of the details? WHAT WAS IN THE BARN? TAKE A LOOK A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a few acres in Portugal. The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15 yrs.; the owner and wife both had died, and there were no heirs. The house was sold to pay taxes. There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't complimentary to the property anyway......so, nobody made an offer on the place. The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the barn.......curiosity was killing him. So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of grinders.......and cut thru the welds. What was in the barn...............? Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm and start wishing it you had bought the place From bcarroll at artcraftkc.net Fri Aug 10 08:51:25 2007 From: bcarroll at artcraftkc.net (Bill Carroll) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 09:51:25 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: What was in the barn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004a01c7db5d$ecd964a0$7501a8c0@bill> John, Re: FW: The barn There was a follow up story by Tom Cotter in the May Sports Car Market. Not true... building owner was a Lisbon car dealer in 70's and 80's and kept the more interesting cars that came through his doors. (180 in all) When the barn was full, he "padlocked and soldered the doors shut. Perhaps welding was a little too permanent." And...none of the cars are for sale. Bill -----Original Message----- From: vintage-race-bounces+bcarroll=artcraftkc.net at autox.team.net [mailto:vintage-race-bounces+bcarroll=artcraftkc.net at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John.Desantis at Inficon.com Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:37 AM To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: What was in the barn? This story sounds a bit bizarre - just a bit, but the pictures will make you cry. Has anyone see this before, or know more of the details? WHAT WAS IN THE BARN? TAKE A LOOK A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement money wisely, so it would last, and decided to buy a home and a few acres in Portugal. The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15 yrs.; the owner and wife both had died, and there were no heirs. The house was sold to pay taxes. There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel doors, and they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the extra expense to see what was in the barn, and it wasn't complimentary to the property anyway......so, nobody made an offer on the place. The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's worth, moved in, and set about to tear in to the barn.......curiosity was killing him. So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of grinders.......and cut thru the welds. What was in the barn...............? Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm and start wishing it you had bought the place _______________________________________________ bcarroll at artcraftkc.net Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From 356drb at indy.net Fri Aug 10 10:24:28 2007 From: 356drb at indy.net (Brett Johnson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 12:24:28 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: What was in the barn? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92D3CEB5-226E-4B34-BDB3-2446E6CCE1F0@indy.net> Here's the link to the real story: > > http://www.snopes.com/photos/automobiles/barnfind.asp On Aug 10, 2007, at 10:36 AM, John.Desantis at Inficon.com wrote: > This story sounds a bit bizarre - just a bit, but the pictures will > make > you cry. Has anyone see > this before, or know more of the details? > > > WHAT WAS IN THE BARN? TAKE A LOOK > A New York man retired. He wanted to use his retirement money > wisely, so > it would last, and decided to buy a home and a few acres in Portugal. > The modest farmhouse had been vacant for 15 yrs.; the owner and > wife both > had died, and there were no heirs. > The house was sold to pay taxes. > There had been several lookers, but the large barn had steel doors, > and > they had been welded shut. Nobody wanted to go to the extra expense > to see > what was in the barn, and it wasn't complimentary to the property > anyway......so, nobody made an offer on the place. > The NY guy bought it at just over half of the property's worth, > moved in, > and set about to tear in to the barn.......curiosity was killing him. > So, he and his wife bought a generator, and a couple of > grinders.......and > cut thru the welds. > What was in the barn...............? > > > Go to; www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm and start wishing it you had > bought the place > _______________________________________________ > 356drb at indy.net > > Vintage-race mailing list > Vintage-race at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race From Lfm614 at aol.com Fri Aug 10 11:43:01 2007 From: Lfm614 at aol.com (Lfm614 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 13:43:01 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Fw: What was in the barn? Message-ID: The barn is real but the story is not. Check it out at _http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6-TR6-Collection_W0QQitemZ110157028081QQihZ001QQcategoryZ 80757QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-TR-6-TR6-Collection_W0QQitemZ110157028081QQihZ001QQcategoryZ80757QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem) Lou ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour From james.f.juhas at snet.net Fri Aug 10 12:18:02 2007 From: james.f.juhas at snet.net (James F Juhas) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:18:02 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] In-car lap timing Message-ID: <46BCABDA.3030008@snet.net> I am considering a Hot-Lap in-car timing system that depends on a infra-red trackside beacon to trigger it. Does anyone have experience with this technology? It seems to me, too, that a cooperative of sorts might make sense since all the transmitters are the same and any receiver will read the first one it sees. Or is such a cooperative already going on and I just don't know about it? From wsthompson at thicko.com Mon Aug 13 07:25:08 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 08:25:08 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] FW: Important Announcement for AMB Customers Message-ID: <000401c7ddad$608b6fa0$21a24ee0$@com> From: AMB i.t. [mailto:info at amb-us.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 8:18 AM To: wsthompson at thicko.com Subject: Important Announcement for AMB Customers Important Announcement for AMB Customers Dear Valued AMB Customer: It has come to our attention that some customers are using abrasive detergents, high-pressure hoses, or even submersion in an effort to clean their transponders after use. Doing so can result in degradation of the transponder's circuitry and overall performance, and damage resulting from these practices will not be covered under warranty. AMB transponders are designed to perform at an extremely high level in typical motor sports environments. However, they are still susceptible to damage when handled improperly. AMB recommends gently washing your transponders with clean tap water and allowing them to fully dry before attempting to charge them. If you have any questions or would like further clarification on the proper cleaning and treatment of your AMB transponders, please feel free to contact us by phone or via email, or visit AMB's support site for more information. AMB i.t. 3200 Highlands Pkwy, #104 Smyrna, GA 30082 www.amb-it.com 877-426-2488 or 1-678-816-4000 Forward email This email was sent to wsthompson at thicko.com, by info at amb-us.com Update Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with SafeUnsubscribe T | Privacy Policy . AMB it us | 3200 Highlands Parkway | Smyrna | GA | 30082 From wsthompson at thicko.com Sun Aug 26 20:41:27 2007 From: wsthompson at thicko.com (Wm. Severin Thompson) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:41:27 -0500 Subject: [Vintage-race] ELVF first call Message-ID: <000001c7e853$c638f6a0$52aae3e0$@com> Ok Y'all. first call for the Elkhart Lake Vintage Fall Festival. who's goin? I've got to pull a motor to replace my trans, and swap out my rear gear, then I'm ready. Wm. Severin Thompson ~iii wsthompson at thicko.com www.thicko.com [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/png which had a name of image001.png] From BAGoronsky at aol.com Fri Aug 31 11:16:12 2007 From: BAGoronsky at aol.com (BAGoronsky at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:16:12 EDT Subject: [Vintage-race] Fwd: question for you Message-ID: OK Folks, Any body out there know about this vehicle. BAG In a message dated 8/31/07 10:03:22 AM, colleen at thunderhill.com writes: > I just received a very interesting phone call from a guy named Shawn in > Washington. He says he believes he has located a vehicle that might be > stolen from our area. It appears to have been run in our Vintage event. He > is working on a job site and this car appeared during the night just > recently. He questioned the property owner and he had no idea of whose it > was. > > He knew it ran in our region because of the road racing stickers on it and > that the tech sticker on the roll bar had Schlaman on it with a date of 25th > and 26th but could not tell what year or month. > > Tag inside driver's compartment said: > Royal Racing RP16731 Type FF > It is Red with the number 09 on it but had been covered in white tape with > 19. > > He just thought it strange as to where he found it so thought he would call > and give us the information. The property owner's son has taken it and > hidden it in a barn for now with a "tough luck it is mine now attitude". > > I just thought that it might ring a bell with you and you might have some > idea who it could be. I am going to look back on what I have here that I can > get my hands on to see if I come up with anything but thought you might be a > good source too. > > Thanks > > > Colleen Worthington > Customer Service Manager Thunderhill Raceway > SFR/SCCA Race Entry Administrator > P.O.Box 966 > Willows, CA 95988 > 530-934-4455 ext 100 > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Return-Path: Received: from rly-yi03.mx.aol.com (rly-yi03.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.131]) by air-yi02.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILINYI22-7b946d849c228e; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from thunderhill.com (thunderhill.com [66.160.132.32]) by rly-yi03.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI31-7b946d849c228e; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from Colleen2 ([65.241.157.2]) by thunderhill.com for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7ebf0$b09f3250$6a01a8c0 at Colleen2> From: "Colleen Worthington" To: "Bruce Goronsky" Subject: question for you Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 66.160.132.32 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : I just received a very interesting phone call from a guy named Shawn in Washington. He says he believes he has located a vehicle that might be stolen from our area. It appears to have been run in our Vintage event. He is working on a job site and this car appeared during the night just recently. He questioned the property owner and he had no idea of whose it was. He knew it ran in our region because of the road racing stickers on it and that the tech sticker on the roll bar had Schlaman on it with a date of 25th and 26th but could not tell what year or month. Tag inside driver's compartment said: Royal Racing RP16731 Type FF It is Red with the number 09 on it but had been covered in white tape with 19. He just thought it strange as to where he found it so thought he would call and give us the information. The property owner's son has taken it and hidden it in a barn for now with a "tough luck it is mine now attitude". I just thought that it might ring a bell with you and you might have some idea who it could be. I am going to look back on what I have here that I can get my hands on to see if I come up with anything but thought you might be a good source too. Thanks Colleen Worthington Customer Service Manager Thunderhill Raceway SFR/SCCA Race Entry Administrator P.O.Box 966 Willows, CA 95988 530-934-4455 ext 100 From klynch7589 at aol.com Fri Aug 31 19:09:07 2007 From: klynch7589 at aol.com (klynch7589 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 21:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Vintage-race] Fwd: question for you In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C9BA4BD4E69D0F-FD8-275@webmail-stg-d07.sysops.aol.com> Gee, maybe someone should get the authorities involved?? -----Original Message----- From: BAGoronsky at aol.com To: vintage-race at autox.team.net Sent: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 11:16 AM Subject: [Vintage-race] Fwd: question for you OK Folks, Any body out there know about this vehicle. BAG In a message dated 8/31/07 10:03:22 AM, colleen at thunderhill.com writes: > I just received a very interesting phone call from a guy named Shawn in > Washington. He says he believes he has located a vehicle that might be > stolen from our area. It appears to have been run in our Vintage event. He > is working on a job site and this car appeared during the night just > recently. He questioned the property owner and he had no idea of whose it > was. > > He knew it ran in our region because of the road racing stickers on it and > that the tech sticker on the roll bar had Schlaman on it with a date of 25th > and 26th but could not tell what year or month. > > Tag inside driver's compartment said: > Royal Racing RP16731 Type FF > It is Red with the number 09 on it but had been covered in white tape with > 19. > > He just thought it strange as to where he found it so thought he would call > and give us the information. The property owner's son has taken it and > hidden it in a barn for now with a "tough luck it is mine now attitude". > > I just thought that it might ring a bell with you and you might have some > idea who it could be. I am going to look back on what I have here that I can > get my hands on to see if I come up with anything but thought you might be a > good source too. > > Thanks > > > Colleen Worthington > Customer Service Manager Thunderhill Raceway > SFR/SCCA Race Entry Administrator > P.O.Box 966 > Willows, CA 95988 > 530-934-4455 ext 100 > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour Return-Path: Received: from rly-yi03.mx.aol.com (rly-yi03.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.131]) by air-yi02.mail.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILINYI22-7b946d849c228e; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:03:22 -0400 Received: from thunderhill.com (thunderhill.com [66.160.132.32]) by rly-yi03.mx.aol.com (v119.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYI31-7b946d849c228e; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from Colleen2 ([65.241.157.2]) by thunderhill.com for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:22 -0700 Message-ID: <000301c7ebf0$b09f3250$6a01a8c0 at Colleen2> From: "Colleen Worthington" To: "Bruce Goronsky" Subject: question for you Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:02:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-AOL-IP: 66.160.132.32 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : I just received a very interesting phone call from a guy named Shawn in Washington. He says he believes he has located a vehicle that might be stolen from our area. It appears to have been run in our Vintage event. He is working on a job site and this car appeared during the night just recently. He questioned the property owner and he had no idea of whose it was. He knew it ran in our region because of the road racing stickers on it and that the tech sticker on the roll bar had Schlaman on it with a date of 25th and 26th but could not tell what year or month. Tag inside driver's compartment said: Royal Racing RP16731 Type FF It is Red with the number 09 on it but had been covered in white tape with 19. He just thought it strange as to where he found it so thought he would call and give us the information. The property owner's son has taken it and hidden it in a barn for now with a "tough luck it is mine now attitude". I just thought that it might ring a bell with you and you might have some idea who it could be. I am going to look back on what I have here that I can get my hands on to see if I come up with anything but thought you might be a good source too. Thanks Colleen Worthington Customer Service Manager Thunderhill Raceway SFR/SCCA Race Entry Administrator P.O.Box 966 Willows, CA 95988 530-934-4455 ext 100 _______________________________________________ klynch7589 at aol.com Vintage-race mailing list Vintage-race at autox.team.net http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/vintage-race ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.