<html><body><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000"><div><br></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>As a young boy living quite close to Biggin Hill Airdrome my pals and I were subject to a lot of fighter plane activity. As high up in the sky RAF / Nazi fighting. Even some low down Nazi chases my Father was subject to as being chased whilst on Air Warden ground duty.</div><div>Hope Battle.of Britain was noted.</div><div>Cheers......Mike. Calgary. Alberta.</div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr" data-marker="__DIVIDER__"><div data-marker="__HEADERS__"><b>From: </b>triumphs-request@autox.team.net<br><b>To: </b>"triumphs" <triumphs@autox.team.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, September 18, 2023 12:00:02 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161<br></div><div><br></div><div data-marker="__QUOTED_TEXT__">Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to<br> triumphs@autox.team.net<br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br> http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs<br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br> triumphs-request@autox.team.net<br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> triumphs-owner@autox.team.net<br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Rover V8 engine (johnbmacartney@gmx.com)<br> 2. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (CFM-TR)<br> 3. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Q)<br> 4. Re: Rover V8 engine (bill beecher)<br> 5. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br> 6. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Greg Lemon)<br> 7. Re: Rover V8 engine (johnbmacartney@gmx.com)<br> 8. 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels (Rochlin Robert)<br> 9. Re: Rover V8 engine (Notakitcar)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 21:20:47 +0100<br>From: <johnbmacartney@gmx.com><br>To: <dave@ranteer.com><br>Cc: <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br>Message-ID: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my<br>last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?<br><br><br><br>The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2<br>hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved<br>in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the<br>north end has long been converted into a private house.<br><br><br><br>Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it<br>used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and<br>Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used<br>for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres<br>with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked<br>by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group - always<br>assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free<br>carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle<br>movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used<br>for vehicle parking.<br><br><br><br>If you've ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you're<br>now looking at the location!<br><br><br><br>Jonmac<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230917/70ab2856/attachment-0001.htm><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: Honeybourne airfield.jpg<br>Type: image/jpeg<br>Size: 13799 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230917/70ab2856/attachment-0001.jpg><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:47:45 -0400<br>From: "CFM-TR" <cfmtr3a@verizon.net><br>To: "'Dave Connitt'" <dconnitt@fuse.net>, "'dave northrup'"<br> <dave@ranteer.com><br>Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat<br>Message-ID: <000501d9e9c1$5c5fea50$151fbef0$@verizon.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I have foil backed insulation under the carpet pad & carpet and the heat shield material under the car. The tunnel still gets toasty but not nearly as bad as without either. <br><br> <br><br>The idea of a vent may be worth thinking about but you would need to pull air from somewhere other than below the engine area. That heat is already flowing back through the tunnel to ?escape?. Ideally, from somewhere in front of the engine, with the tube not getting close to the engine area &/or exhaust.<br><br> <br><br>Good luck.<br><br> <br><br>Carl <br><br>1960 Triumph TR3<br><br>TS81802LO<br><br>Tampa, FL<br><br> <br><br>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt<br>Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:06 AM<br>To: dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com><br>Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat<br><br> <br><br>Hi Dave,<br><br>I have the same heat issue with my TR4A. I also have reflective insulation on the inside of the tunnel and there still is a lot of radiated heat on the passenger side which was repeatedly brought to my attention by my wife on our 6,400 mile trip out west last June. I just purchased some aluminum heat shield material off Amazon that I will try and install between the exhaust and the tunnel/ floor pan this winter. If it works, I will post some pictures.<br><br>Dave Connitt<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<br><br><br><br><br><br>On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dave northrup <dave@ranteer.com <mailto:dave@ranteer.com> > wrote:<br><br>? <br><br>Was out in the TR6 yesterday. Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation. We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece.<br><br> <br><br>Its much better than before but there?s still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel. <br><br> <br><br>Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc. <br><br> <br><br>What have people done to mitigate this?<br><br>** triumphs@autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net> **<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dconnitt@fuse.net<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230917/66d2338e/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:48:33 -0700<br>From: Q <HDRider570@att.net><br>To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat<br>Message-ID: <708bc92f-fb70-9055-7b8c-ae249f71eaa9@att.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br><br>I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with <br>good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped <br>in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both <br>sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years <br>ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware <br>store would have it.<br><br>It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission <br>side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission <br>tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and <br>clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the <br>various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place <br>over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.<br><br>I also under-felt beneath the carpet throughout the interior.? It is a <br>good quality carpet as well.<br><br><br>Edward Hamer<br><br>Petaluma CA<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 22:15:56 -0500<br>From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com><br>To: johnbmacartney@gmx.com<br>Cc: dave@ranteer.com, triumphs@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br>Message-ID: <706A59AD-49AE-4162-A49F-9B8A4AC4A543@yahoo.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. <br>Bill<br><br>?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills<br><br>On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com wrote:<br><br>?<br>Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?<br> <br>The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.<br> <br>Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.<br> <br>If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!<br> <br>Jonmac<br><Honeybourne airfield.jpg><br>** triumphs@autox.team.net **<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar@yahoo.com<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230917/0b329a8b/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:30:35 -0700<br>From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com><br>To: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat<br>Message-ID: <447a9112-4a7a-150f-ac9c-d4bf6b57094a@gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br><br>I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3 <br>layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat. <br>That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in <br>decent condition.<br><br>On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:<br>> I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with <br>> good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped <br>> in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both <br>> sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years <br>> ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware <br>> store would have it.<br>><br>> It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission <br>> side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission <br>> tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and <br>> clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the <br>> various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place <br>> over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:14:02 -0500<br>From: Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com><br>To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman@gmail.com><br>Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat<br>Message-ID:<br> <CAFtw3abObh8oND4ZQGGPV7-dnVk=YinBsNRctU58P0P0Q2nFiw@mail.gmail.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>I have used the bubble insulation on my TR250 tunnel and floors and have no<br>noticeable cockpit heat coming in.<br><br>I will note I also did this to my old Healey 100, and it worked there to,<br>and the big Healeys have a much bigger cockpit heat problem than the old<br>TRs. A roll at the big box hardware store should be $20 dollars or so.<br><br>Greg Lemon<br>TR250<br><br>On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 7:40 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman@gmail.com><br>wrote:<br><br>> I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3<br>> layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat.<br>> That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in<br>> decent condition.<br>><br>> On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:<br>> > I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with<br>> > good results. It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped<br>> > in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds. It is bright silver on both<br>> > sides. I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years<br>> > ago. Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware<br>> > store would have it.<br>> ><br>> > It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission<br>> > side of the tunnel). I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission<br>> > tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and<br>> > clean. I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the<br>> > various contours of the tunnel. The foil on my TR4 has been in place<br>> > over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.<br>><br>> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **<br>><br>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs<br>> http://www.team.net/archive<br>><br>> Unsubscribe/Manage:<br>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn@gmail.com<br>><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230918/8f3bf9c6/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:55:22 +0100<br>From: <johnbmacartney@gmx.com><br>To: "'bill beecher'" <notakitcar@yahoo.com><br>Cc: <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br>Message-ID: <002101d9ea37$c88dd720$59a98560$@gmx.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.<br><br> <br><br>FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.<br><br> <br><br>So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!<br><br> <br><br>Jonmac<br><br> <br><br>From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com> <br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM<br>To: johnbmacartney@gmx.com<br>Cc: dave@ranteer.com; triumphs@autox.team.net<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br><br> <br><br>Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. <br><br>Bill<br><br> <br><br>?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills<br><br><br>On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com> wrote:<br><br>?<br><br>Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?<br><br> <br><br>The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. <br><br> <br><br>Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.<br><br> <br><br>If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!<br><br> <br><br>Jonmac<br><br><Honeybourne airfield.jpg><br><br>** triumphs@autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net> **<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar@yahoo.com<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230918/600e6f11/attachment-0001.htm><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: Cover ITSOMF - Vol 2 DRAFT.jpg<br>Type: image/jpeg<br>Size: 105214 bytes<br>Desc: not available<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230918/600e6f11/attachment-0001.jpg><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:17:11 -0400<br>From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin@comcast.net><br>To: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels<br>Message-ID: <FAF0F995-C8EB-46D3-A8B7-EE5B7EC4ADEB@comcast.net><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br><br>Speaking of transmission tunnels. Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?<br>Bob<br>?72 TR 6<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:29:03 -0500<br>From: "Notakitcar" <notakitcar@yahoo.com><br>To: <johnbmacartney@gmx.com><br>Cc: <triumphs@autox.team.net><br>Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br>Message-ID: <005501d9ea44$dbfe1d80$93fa5880$@yahoo.com><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>Love the cover, have never uploaded to Amazon but I bet they would be happy to help. <br><br>All the best,<br><br>Bill<br><br> <br><br>NB-Almost finished with ?In The Shadow Of My Father? very enjoyable.<br><br> <br><br>From: johnbmacartney@gmx.com [mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com] <br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 8:55 AM<br>To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar@yahoo.com><br>Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net<br>Subject: RE: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br><br> <br><br>My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.<br><br> <br><br>FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.<br><br> <br><br>So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!<br><br> <br><br>Jonmac<br><br> <br><br>From: bill beecher <notakitcar@yahoo.com <mailto:notakitcar@yahoo.com> > <br>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM<br>To: johnbmacartney@gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com> <br>Cc: dave@ranteer.com <mailto:dave@ranteer.com> ; triumphs@autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net> <br>Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine<br><br> <br><br>Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. <br><br>Bill<br><br> <br><br>?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills<br><br><br>On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney@gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney@gmx.com> wrote:<br><br>?<br><br>Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?<br><br> <br><br>The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. <br><br> <br><br>Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.<br><br> <br><br>If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!<br><br> <br><br>Jonmac<br><br><Honeybourne airfield.jpg><br><br>** triumphs@autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net> **<br><br>Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html<br>Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive<br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar@yahoo.com<br><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: <http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20230918/104c842c/attachment-0001.htm><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Subject: Digest Footer<br><br>_______________________________________________<br><br>Triumphs mailing list<br>Triumphs@autox.team.net<br>http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161<br>*****************************************<br></div></div></body></html>