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<p>keep your eyes open for salt batteries.<br>
But tech dev looks like govt might finally lossen restirctions on
the the media needed to massively drop the price and faciliate
safe hydrogen power, which will far outpace future EV developement</p>
<p>ptegler<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2023 5:25 PM, David Friedlander
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<div dir="auto">I’m thinking, as others have said, that EV’s are
still in the relative infancy. The ‘boom days’ for EV’s will
come, IMHO, when a significant breakthrough in battery
technology occurs. That is, when battery science allows for
rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack
replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT
breakthrough battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV’s but
many other battery-dependent devices….</div>
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I’m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be
preceded on their journey by a man with a red flag…
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DAVID MASSEY <<a href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com"
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">All
this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of
the Model T being pulled out of the mud but a
farmer and a team of horses and the farmer
thinking all along "These things will never
catch on."</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">Anyone
who expects a new technology to catch on with
a straight line growth curve is not being
realistic. There are many supply chain and
infrastructure issues that need to be worked
out and this is a chicken/egg relationship
between these issues and EV acceptance. Heck,
in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers
had to stop at the local dry-goods store and
buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.</div>
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<div dir="ltr"
style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">EV's
have many fewer moving parts and hence are
more reliable and, except for the battery, are
less expensive to build. And battery
technology is evolving as we speak.</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif">But
back to the topic at hand. This new "Triumph"
resembles the TR3 in the same manner that a
Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some
of the elements are there but they are not
coherent. The styling does not inspire me,
but that is just my opinion, for what it's
worth.<br>
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<p
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<div
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What’s your source for that little
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<p style="font-family:"Helvetica
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what the Biden administration wants,
electric cars are a no go.</p>
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<p style="font-family:"Helvetica
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consumers are correctly rejecting them</p>
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sharing the concept's evolution
from Makkina with BMW.</p>
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