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<p>..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better
now, never know</p>
<p>ptegler<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney
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Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who
used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates
and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who
did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even
the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or
the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some
twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may
have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the
early TR5 being offered for sale is either a “ringer” or the
seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
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only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.</div>
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On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, <a
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<div style="color:black;font: 10pt arial;">I have little to
no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve
a cert with invalid info.<br>
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they
gave him a cert for it!
<div>rubbish.</div>
<div>Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time,
or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now
on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on
the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$</div>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in
USA?<br>
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<div>I’ve just had a look at the Heritage
Certificate for the above car. From the info on
the certificate, it’s clear it was built for a
named customer in Denmark and supplied under
Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I
worked within for several years. Cars built for
display at any international motor show were
identified very clearly on the build record and
sales invoice as ‘motor show car’ and this would
have been picked up by BMIHT staff when
interrogating the microfilmed records. It’s also
worth mentioning the company would never have
used a customer car for exhibition display at
any show such as those which were as prestigious
as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York.
A show car? Not in my book, though the person
whose name appears on the BMIHT document might
have been in England FOR the show but his car on
the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way
- unless someone can come up with documentation
to prove me wrong. I wouldn’t touch it with that
claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone
with more money than sense will swallow the bait
and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could
well be a clone. Too often in life, things are
not always what they seem and in my view this
car fits that category.
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<div>What many people fail to realise is that
motor show cars are very different in many
ways to the normal production version. For a
start, the paint finish received detailed
attention and were often resprayed several
times to give the paint a ‘deeper’ appearance.
Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were
hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent
considerable work and door shuts themselves
were silky smooth in operation and quiet to
operate. This was always difficult to achieve
on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing
most doors on those models mostly sounded like
putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every
night after show closure, the carpets, seats
and door cards in all cars were exchanged for
new ones and any faults or problems reported
to the Stand Manager during the day were
rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had
been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal
were also replaced. Leaking or non functional
hydraulics were replaced as well and there’s a
moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a
stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor
show. It will have gone through hell in that
time and Engineering always studied reports of
how the cars had held up during the show.
Theft, attempted or actual was by no means
unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of
white overalls was actually caught trying to
remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on
a Saturday when you could hardly move on the
stand because of the crowds. Car ‘ride
heights’ were often raised a little to allow
for the daily punishment of people of various
weights collapsing into cars on a crowded
stand. This did little to give seats a gentle
life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily
fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical
suspension for the show duration. Doing this
meant there was nothing like the amount of
“give” found in a car that was conventionally
sprung.
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<div>Was the motor show experience enjoyable?
If you like standing on your feet from 09.00
to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for
ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere
that gave everyone flu and talking to people
who mostly bored you witless and were often
less than polite, eating the same outside
catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer,
I suppose it might have been. The truth was,
it wasn’t. We all had to wear dark, tailored
three piece suits (bought at our cost),
starched cotton shirts with turned back
cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar
and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like
a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails,
immaculately clean and parted hair and
heaven help you after a day attired like
that if the Stand Manager detected even a
tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I
will admit we, Standard Triumph’s public
face, looked good and perhaps we had a
little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to
this day, I’ve yet to meet any car company
employee or salesman who knew as much about
his/her product AND the same level of detail
of every other make and model of car that
competed with us. To this day and well over
fifty years later, I’m still amazed how much
I can still recall.</div>
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<div>I don't believe the suspension was
raised. Might appear taller as TR5
tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on
wider 185/70, or just new springs
riding a little high.
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word;">Lovely
car. Did they raise the ride
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dir="ltr">Friends in
NL have reported that
a superbly-restored
TR5, the original LHD
car from the 1967
Earls Court Motor Show
premiere, has been
sold to the USA and is
now in the midwest.</div>
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class="yiv5493107758gmail_attr">Anybody
know the car? It's
said to be a pretty
special TR, and I'd
probably agree. My
first car in life was
a TR250, unrestorable
given my budget,
skills, and marque
support at the time.
But today -- I wish I
still had it!</div>
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class="yiv5493107758gmail_quote">Note
the comments about the
car's original
Swiss-specifications and
the stuff around
engines. Jonmac, this
makes us smile to think
about your efforts in
this area back in the
day.</div>
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