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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>It was under warranty. There is now a brand new battery in the Jeep<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> tom boggiano <tboggiano@gmail.com> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:14 PM<br><b>To:</b> dave <dave@ranteer.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any chance you were able to reverse charge (polarity) on the battery?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Happened once when my in-law put a charger on my dead car battery backwards. I did not know it could be done <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>T<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Old battery: -9.97<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Known good battery: 12.97<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b>From:</b> DAVID MASSEY <<a href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>; <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dave </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id=yiv3521628490><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period. The negative terminal sparked so we did not. We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We also double checked that we had the ground <b>cable</b> to the engine and the positive <b>cable</b> to the electrical system. </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv3521628490yqt44784><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> DAVID MASSEY <<a href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>; <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 2.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This battery was apparently in the car. Did you check this battery right at the terminals?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dave </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" target="_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div id=yiv3521628490><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Tested the battery out of the car</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=yiv3521628490yqt44086><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> DAVID MASSEY <<a href="mailto:dave1massey@cs.com" target="_blank">dave1massey@cs.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" target="_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>; <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Did you test directly at the battery terminals?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity. If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity. I've seen it done.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Many of the smart chargers will not do this. Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems. It is not recommended.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Dave </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" target="_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am<br>Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=yiv3521628490><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div id=yiv3521628490yqt86616><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> Geo Hahn <<a href="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com" target="_blank">ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM<br><b>To:</b> dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" target="_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] what is going on?????</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On many modes they can be reversed.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Geo</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave <<a href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" target="_blank">dave@ranteer.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn’t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Set the jeep’s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Reversed it and got 9.97.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Checked the good battery – no, the multimeter is not broken.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Checked the jeep’s old battery again, same results. Good battery – same results (about 12.97)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Can anyone explain this to me?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>And yes, we are replacing the battery</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yiv3521628490yqt91202><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yiv3521628490yqt51086><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div id=yqt07484><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs </a><a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey@cs.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tboggiano@gmail.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tboggiano@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>