<div dir="auto">MGA Prototype, EX172 based on the MG TD. <a href="http://www.classiccarportraits.co.uk/pages2/MG_EX172_1951.htm" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.classiccarportraits.co.uk/pages2/MG_EX172_1951.htm</a><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">raced by MG at LeMans.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Triumphs and MGs did not generally race in the same class SCCA in the 50s, though they would often be in the same combined class for races. Here is the most comprehensive site I know of for fifties and sixties (the best!) sports car racing <a href="http://www.maseratiexperts.com/SCCA%20results%20test%20page.htm">http://www.maseratiexperts.com/SCCA%20results%20test%20page.htm</a> don't know why this doesn't show up as a link, but worked when I copied and pasted, scroll down for entry fields and results by year.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Of interest in 1968 the TR250 was very competitive with the then 2 liter 911 in C production SCCA, but they could not quite get it done in the championship race</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Greg Lemon</div><div dir="auto">TR250</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 6:59 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <<a href="mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:<br>
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Well, in 1951 the
TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA. So
what's wrong here? The year?<br>
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<p>Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston
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<div>I don't know the racing history of the two cars together,
but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger
horsepower cars is legendary. It all started with a 356 in
1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car. The
link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that
car. At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from
the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't
see a Triumph. It was the smallest engine in the race,
and they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. If
they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have
been changed.</div>
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<div>The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the
car, through years of research they were able to verify it was
the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to
restore it. The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner
of the car.</div>
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Cool.
Thanks, Rye. That's sort of what I'm asking. Engine
size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so
on. So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph,
but significantly outperformed?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye
Livingston <a class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ryel@mac.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><ryel@mac.com></a> wrote: <br>
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<div><span style="font-family:geneva,sans-serif;font-size:14px">One correction, James Dean died in
a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a
Speedster. It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a
Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, <span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">two
separate ignition manifolds and two ignition
coils. It was also a mid engine design like the
914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. So this
car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that
era.</span></span></div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);text-transform:none;text-indent:0px;font-family:geneva,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline;white-space:normal;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
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<span style="font-family:geneva,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">1960 TR3A</span></span></div>
<div class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family:geneva,sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px">1963 356</span></span></div>
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On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Hmmm.
So looking quickly other street cars of the
time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter
engine; I don't know about the Porsche
"speedster" or even if it was different, other
than James Dean died in one. The 1959 MGA had a
1.6 liter. The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter
engine. Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3
liter engine. As far as I can tell the Fiat 850
started in 1964, with an engine a single strong
man could seemingly lift. The Sunbeam Alpine
was a 1.5 liter. The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7
liters. Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys
four and six cylinder engines. The Bugeye
Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it
her putt-putt. Triumphs and Morgans, of course,
ran the same 2 liter engine.<br>
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<p style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">All
this said, and certainly subject to any
corrections you might have, I remain unsure how
Triumphs stacked up in races against these.
Anybody?<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On July 16, 2019 at 5:40
PM Randall <a class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank"><tr3driver@ca.rr.com></a> wrote: <br>
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<div class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-WordSection1">
<p class="m_5351892489354669747m_-7448490629694657324m_-9142359534943292440ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">110
mph in 4<sup>th</sup> OD is only 4500 rpm.
Not what I call “crank shattering rpm”. A
stock TR3 won’t usually run that fast of
course, but 87mm liners were actually
cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s. (I
actually found a set that had been returned
to Warshawski’s in Chicago, better known as
JC Whitney, for even less than the usual
price.)</p>
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I’ve run 4500 for literally hours without a
problem. (Speed enforcement in the desert
tends to be lax <span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span>
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<strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, July 16,
2019 1:47 PM<br>
<strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">Randall</a><br>
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<strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;font-size:12pt">That reminds me. When I
say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm
referencing traffic on the freeway here
(tollway, rather) that clips along between
70 and 80 mph. I've been curious about
the various cruising speeds and power
performances of TR3's and their
competition back in the day, cruising that
is without winding up to crank shattering
rpm's. Anybody familiar with that? </span></p>
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