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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:<br>
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        helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Well, in 1951 the
        TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA. So
        what's wrong here? The year?<br>
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    <p>Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes</p>
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      <blockquote type="cite">On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston
        <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ryel@mac.com"><ryel@mac.com></a> wrote: <br>
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        <div>I don't know the racing history of the two cars together,
          but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger
          horsepower cars is legendary.  It all started with a 356 in
          1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car.  The
          link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that
          car.  At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from
          the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't
          see a Triumph.  It was the smallest engine in the race,
          and they won the race, and that started Porsche racing.  If
          they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have
          been changed.</div>
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        <div>The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the
          car, through years of research they were able to verify it was
          the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to
          restore it.  The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner
          of the car.</div>
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          On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net"><terryrs@comcast.net></a> wrote: <br>
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                helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Cool. 
                Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine
                size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so
                on.  So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph,
                but significantly outperformed?<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye
                Livingston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ryel@mac.com"><ryel@mac.com></a> wrote: <br>
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                <div><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;
                    font-size: 14px;">One correction, James Dean died in
                    a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a
                    Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a
                    Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, <span
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                      background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">two
                      separate ignition manifolds and two ignition
                      coils.  It was also a mid engine design like the
                      914 and the current Boxter and Cayman.  So this
                      car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that
                      era.</span></span></div>
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                    style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size:
                    14px;">Rye</span> <br>
                  <span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span
                      style="font-size: 14px;">1960 TR3A</span></span></div>
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                      style="font-size: 14px;">1963 356</span></span></div>
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                    style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span
                      style="font-size: 14px;">1968 912</span></span></div>
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                      style="font-size: 14px;">1988 911 Carrera</span></span></div>
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                  On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net"><terryrs@comcast.net></a> wrote: <br>
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                      <p style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family:
                        helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hmmm. 
                        So looking quickly other street cars of the
                        time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter
                        engine; I don't know about the Porsche
                        "speedster" or even if it was different, other
                        than James Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA had a
                        1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter
                        engine.  Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3
                        liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850
                        started in 1964, with an engine a single strong
                        man could seemingly lift.  The Sunbeam Alpine
                        was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7
                        liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys
                        four and six cylinder engines.  The Bugeye
                        Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it
                        her putt-putt.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course,
                        ran the same 2 liter engine.<br>
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                        helvetica,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;">All
                        this said, and certainly subject to any
                        corrections you might have, I remain unsure how
                        Triumphs stacked up in races against these. 
                        Anybody?<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">On July 16, 2019 at 5:40
                        PM Randall <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com"><tr3driver@ca.rr.com></a> wrote: <br>
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                            class="ox-9e7d821889-ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">110
                            mph in 4<sup>th</sup> OD is only 4500 rpm. 
                            Not what I call “crank shattering rpm”.  A
                            stock TR3 won’t usually run that fast of
                            course, but 87mm liners were actually
                            cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I
                            actually found a set that had been returned
                            to Warshawski’s in Chicago, better known as
                            JC Whitney, for even less than the usual
                            price.)</p>
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                          <p
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                            I’ve run 4500 for literally hours without a
                            problem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert
                            tends to be lax <span style="font-family:
                              "Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif;">😊</span>
                            )</p>
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                              border-image: none;"><strong>From: </strong><a
                                href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">TERRY SMITH</a><br>
                              <strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, July 16,
                              2019 1:47 PM<br>
                              <strong>To: </strong><a
                                href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">Randall</a><br>
                              <strong>Cc: </strong><a
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                                moz-do-not-send="true">Triumphs</a><br>
                              <strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p>
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                          <p><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
                              font-family:
                              "Helvetica",sans-serif;
                              font-size: 12pt;">That reminds me.  When I
                              say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm
                              referencing traffic on the freeway here
                              (tollway, rather) that clips along between
                              70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about
                              the various cruising speeds and power
                              performances of TR3's and their
                              competition back in the day, cruising that
                              is without winding up to crank shattering
                              rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that? </span></p>
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