<html><body><div></div><div>I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car. The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that car. At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph. It was the smallest engine in the race, and they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. If they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div>The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it. The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.</div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><a href="https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/">https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/</a></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br data-mce-bogus="1"></div><div><br>On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote:<br><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="msg-quote"><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Cool. Thanks, Rye. That's sort of what I'm asking. Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on. So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?<br></p><blockquote type="cite">On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote: <br> <br><div><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;">One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster. It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, <span style="color: #222222; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inline;" data-mce-style="color: #222222; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inline;">two separate ignition manifolds and two ignition coils. It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. So this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that era.</span></span></div><div><span style="color: #222222; font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inline;" data-mce-style="color: #222222; font-family: geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-weight: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; background-color: #ffffff; float: none; display: inline;"><br></span></div> <div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px; font-family: geneva, sans-serif;">Rye</span> <br> <span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;">1960 TR3A</span></span></div><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;">1963 356</span></span></div><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;">1968 912</span></span></div><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;">1988 911 Carrera</span></span></div><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-x-apple-signature"><span style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: geneva, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px;" data-mce-style="font-size: 14px;"><br></span></span></div><div><br>On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net> wrote: <br> <br></div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-msg-quote"><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Hmmm. So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one. The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter. The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine. Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine. As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift. The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter. The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters. Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines. The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt. Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.<br></p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these. Anybody?<br></p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br></p><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;">Terry<br></p><blockquote type="cite">On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote: <br> <br><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-WordSection1"><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">110 mph in 4<sup>th</sup> OD is only 4500 rpm. Not what I call “crank shattering rpm”. A stock TR3 won’t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s. (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski’s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)</p><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">And I’ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem. (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax <span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI Emoji',sans-serif;" data-mce-style="font-family: 'Segoe UI Emoji',sans-serif;">😊</span> )</p><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal">Sent from <a href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986" data-mce-href="https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986">Mail</a> for Windows 10</p><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><div style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt; padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal" style="border: none; padding: 0in;" data-mce-style="border: none; padding: 0in;"><strong>From: </strong><a href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" data-mce-href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">TERRY SMITH</a><br><strong>Sent: </strong>Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM<br><strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com" data-mce-href="mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.com">Randall</a><br><strong>Cc: </strong><a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" data-mce-href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">Triumphs</a><br><strong>Subject: </strong>Re: [TR] MGA</p></div><p class="ox-17f5f529b1-ox-cc84e2b33b-MsoNormal"> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;" data-mce-style="font-size: 12.0pt; font-family: 'Helvetica',sans-serif; color: #333333;">That reminds me. When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph. I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's. Anybody familiar with that? </span></p></div></blockquote><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="ox-17f5f529b1-default-style" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br> </p><blockquote type="cite">** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" data-mce-href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> ** <br> <br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a> <br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a> <br> <br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/terryrs@comcast.net" data-mce-href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/terryrs@comcast.net">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/terryrs@comcast.net</a> <br></blockquote><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="ox-17f5f529b1-default-style" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br> </p><div class="ox-17f5f529b1-_stretch"><span class="ox-17f5f529b1-body-text-content">** <a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" data-mce-href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br><br>Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/donate.html">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br>Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs">http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs</a> <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" data-mce-href="http://www.team.net/archive">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br><br>Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ryel@mac.com" data-mce-href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ryel@mac.com">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ryel@mac.com</a><br></span></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;" class="default-style" data-mce-style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica,arial,sans-serif; color: #333333;"><br> </p></div></blockquote></div></body></html>