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<body lang="EN-US" dir="ltr" vlink="#954f72" link="#0563c1">While at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well with "carbon core" wires.<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv@roadrunner.com> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work well
with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="auprichard@uprichard.net">Andrew Uprichard</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="keithstewart@bell.net">'Keith Richard Stewart'</a> ; <a title="triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start</div></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"">Hey,
Keith:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"">I think
we are still in “information gathering mode” </span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: wingdings">J</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif"">You say
“there were only 3 cylinders getting spark”, but then “</span><span lang="EN-CA">I
also had spark on #2, #3, and #4”, so it sounds like you do have a spark at all
4 plugs? One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs: are
they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Have you done a compression
test?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">My experience with Pertronix is when they
fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in on whether a
failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to
run.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Jackson, Michigan</span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif""> Triumphs
[mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Keith Richard
Stewart<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM<br><b>To:</b>
triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] TR4 Won't
Start<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter
storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no
problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it
was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling.
The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of “oomph”. The rough running
was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it
started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to
make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on
the “start” setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter
adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil
filter head and the adapter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Although not associated with the non-start
issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal
between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter,
installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel
odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check
that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF’s “Made in Italy” pumps. The additional
start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping
out.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">Back to the start problem. The carbs
are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas
pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I
removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a
separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was
getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No
luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a
start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran
roughly – there were only three cylinders getting spark.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I shut off the engine, replaced the spark
plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3,
and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug
is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged
it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v
during starter engagement.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as
well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil to
Pertronix are clean and secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">All plug leads and the distributor lead are
clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out
12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and
secure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I think that is everything I have tried to
date. Any suggestions are most welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-fareast-language: en-ca">Keith
Stewart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="mso-fareast-language: en-ca">keithstewart@bell.net<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></span> </p></div>
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