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<p>so EBay and paypal are both saying they will not stand behind
their policies?� It's not an 'automobile' by their own
definitions! It was misrepresented, inspected prior to sale or
not!� At a minimum, you can tell the story to ALL and EVERY car
list you can find, that will notify any and every type of car
owner to beware of this shyster!</p>
<p>Hurt his business??� THAT is the purpose of feedback! Abitration
is the only way feedback is supposed to be removeable.... yep
screw ebay.... it's become a retail shop.� :-(<br>
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<p>ptegler<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/19/2018 6:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Before I start the story, let
me take full responsibility for my own stupidity.� I screwed
up.� But the follow-up is where I think others need to be
careful.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Having bought a TR3 with a
body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and
was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub.� I
recently saw one on eBay which was advertised as being �in
good condition�.� It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the
seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent
of the rust:� he replied by assuring me the car was �in
great condition� with �minimal rust�.� I asked for
additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was
at a different location.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">After I bid and won, the
seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up within 24
hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a
week.� The car was several hours away and I explained I
couldn�t make it.� He said OK, but he wanted the money
immediately.� I called PayPal and they said I would lose any
protection if I paid before seeing the car.� So I called
eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
vehicle protection plan (VPP).� So I paid.� My mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">A week later I drove out and
found a car with rust holes big enough to put my hand
through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I
doubt� it could ever be restored.� Oh, and the frame was
bent.� I told him I wasn�t going to take the car, he had
misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.� He told me
tough, you paid already, it�s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">I came home and called eBay
only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10
years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the
seller.� After several sleepless nights I decided I could do
without the stress of litigation and so I drove back out to
collect the car.� When I got there the seller told me he had
sold it to someone else.� Great, I said, give me my money.�
Nah, he said, you take it and I�ll deal with the other guy.�
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply
loaded the car up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Bottom line � I salvaged one
replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is
fiberglass.� The car is being collected this week for a trip
to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">It was my fault and I accept
responsibility for it.� Thankfully, my lovely wife has not
given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.� But I
did leave negative feedback on eBay.� The EXACT words were
�Total misrepresentation of the car.� Buyers beware�.� It
never posted.� I called eBay today and was told the seller
had appealed my feedback as it was �pejorative and
threatened the future success of his business�.� As a result
eBay had the right to remove it � and they did.� And they
will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">I still love the Triumph
community, but I am a little more cynical about mankind
(which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.� I guess I
am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub���<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif"">Jackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><o:p>�</o:p></span></p>
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