<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:24px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_3690" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_5302">John Esposito I brought an overdrive in the UK and had John put it together. I helped him and was impressed with his modified mainshafts and other parts he devised. Price was reasonable. He has a backlog of work and guys stop off to say Hi. Works with the car clubs. Good guy. 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Re: OD Oil (Geo Hahn)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10401"> 2. Re: OD Oil (<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10400">Wbeech@flash.net</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10404"> 3. Re: OD Oil (TERRY SMITH)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10408"> 4. Re: OD Oil (Randall)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10410"> 5. another one for the books (Paul Tegler)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10412"> 6. Re: OD Oil (TERRY SMITH)<br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10415"> 7. Re: OD Oil (<a ymailto="mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com" href="mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1529528503464_10414">glemon@neb.rr.com</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 8. Re: OD Oil (Geo Hahn)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 9. Re: OD Oil (David P)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 10. Re: OD Oil (Randall)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 11. Re: another one for the books (dave)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 12. Re: OD Oil (Jeff Scarbrough)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 13. Re: OD Oil (Reihing, Randall S.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 14. Re: OD Oil (Reihing, Randall S.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"> 15. Re: OD Oil (Randall)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">----------------------------------------------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 1<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 11:32:58 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Geo Hahn <<a ymailto="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com" href="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com">ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: Triumphs <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:CANzE1bGp3FGF__74x7KiA0JWM8YbaR699o7-tZK-fONHHcJZzw@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CANzE1bGp3FGF__74x7KiA0JWM8YbaR699o7-tZK-fONHHcJZzw@mail.gmail.com">CANzE1bGp3FGF__74x7KiA0JWM8YbaR699o7-tZK-fONHHcJZzw@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Terry -<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As I recall, John Esposito recommended straight 30W *non-detergent *which I<br></div><div dir="ltr">used for a few years before switching to MT90.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think you want non-detergent to avoid foaming (could be wrong about the<br></div><div dir="ltr">reason though).<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Geo<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 10:34 AM, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well<br></div><div dir="ltr">> consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90<br></div><div dir="ltr">> now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was<br></div><div dir="ltr">> necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been<br></div><div dir="ltr">> contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect<br></div><div dir="ltr">> so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Thanks, everyone,<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667<br></div><div dir="ltr">> New Hampshire<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> ** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> options/triumphs/<a ymailto="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com" href="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com">ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/1bf54393/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/1bf54393/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 2<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 13:47:07 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:wbeech@flash.net">wbeech@flash.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: "Triumphs \(<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>\)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:3F7B11C0-BB8B-456C-9FF8-11894803111A@flash.net" href="mailto:3F7B11C0-BB8B-456C-9FF8-11894803111A@flash.net">3F7B11C0-BB8B-456C-9FF8-11894803111A@flash.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">MT 90 in my ?58 w/OD, never misses a beat. <br></div><div dir="ltr">Bill B<br></div><div dir="ltr">TS30800L<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent from my Apple II+<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Jun 19, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Jeff Scarbrough <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90 now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil. He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think the ND is to eliminate foaming. I started with 30 weight<br></div><div dir="ltr">Non-Detergent in mine, but switched on the second change to MT-90.<br></div><div dir="ltr">Works a treat.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr">Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 16:03:10 -0400 (EDT)<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>>, "<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a>"<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:wbeech@flash.net">wbeech@flash.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: "Triumphs \(<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>\)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:861600500.428.1529438591220@connect.xfinity.com" href="mailto:861600500.428.1529438591220@connect.xfinity.com">861600500.428.1529438591220@connect.xfinity.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thank you all for responding. I kinda thought it was the foaming issue. I seem to recall this, but don't know if it's accurate:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Non-detergent in the engine, to eliminate foaming at the mouth.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Non-detergent in the tranny to eliminating indigestion.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Non-detergent in the rear-end to eliminate...well, I won't go into it...:0)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">That about right??<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On June 19, 2018 at 2:47 PM "<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a> " wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> MT 90 in my ?58 w/OD, never misses a beat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Bill B<br></div><div dir="ltr">> TS30800L<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Sent from my Apple II+<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Jun 19, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90 now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil. He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > I think the ND is to eliminate foaming. I started with 30 weight<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-Detergent in mine, but switched on the second change to MT-90.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Works a treat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> ** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team">triumphs@autox.team</a> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team">triumphs@autox.team</a> .net **<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/b1e8b796/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/b1e8b796/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 4<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 14:29:54 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Randall" <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:EC43D1F024274FA18295D418EF54B3B7@RYPC" href="mailto:EC43D1F024274FA18295D418EF54B3B7@RYPC">EC43D1F024274FA18295D418EF54B3B7@RYPC</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. <br></div><div dir="ltr">> I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Thing is, the factory switched from recommending motor oil to specifying<br></div><div dir="ltr">GL4. Seems to me they must have had a reason for making the change.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Ken Gillanders (formerly British Frame and Engine) looked into the reason<br></div><div dir="ltr">for the change, and was reportedly told by an ex-factory engineer that they<br></div><div dir="ltr">were having trouble with premature failure of countershaft bearings/thrust<br></div><div dir="ltr">washers. They felt the EP additives in the GL4 would help protect the<br></div><div dir="ltr">bearing surfaces. Evidently it worked, because they continued to specify<br></div><div dir="ltr">GL4 through the end of TR6 production.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I can't say whether that is true, but I note that John Esposito also<br></div><div dir="ltr">acknowledges it as a problem on these gearboxes, and offers to sell an<br></div><div dir="ltr">(expensive) conversion to stronger bearings.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">His post about GL4 being too thick makes no sense at all to me. Even when<br></div><div dir="ltr">the factory did recommend motor oil, they specified 50 weight for temps over<br></div><div dir="ltr">70F. 50 weight is actually thicker than 90 (at the same temperature)!<br></div><div dir="ltr">(They are rated on different scales, which deliberately are offset from each<br></div><div dir="ltr">other. No such thing as 50 weight gear oil, nor 90 weight motor oil.)<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- Randall<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 5<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:30:18 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Paul Tegler <<a ymailto="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net">ptegler@verizon.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "CARS <a ymailto="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com">nass@yahoogroups.com</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com">nass@yahoogroups.com</a>>,<br></div><div dir="ltr"> "<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [TR] another one for the books<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:964db928-9226-a990-d5e1-8ce586aea6f7@verizon.net" href="mailto:964db928-9226-a990-d5e1-8ce586aea6f7@verizon.net">964db928-9226-a990-d5e1-8ce586aea6f7@verizon.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">another one for the books<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV&vxp=mtr" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV&vxp=mtr</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">No starter installed (no room...it's in the boot)? fuel lines not even <br></div><div dir="ltr">hooked up (underneath pics) didn't even uprate the front brakes (to GT6 <br></div><div dir="ltr">at least)<br></div><div dir="ltr">looks like ultra short rear a-arms... (a Cougar? XR7 rear <br></div><div dir="ltr">suspension/diff?)...can't see what he did for rear shocks/springs<br></div><div dir="ltr">...man if he'd only have used the '93-94 vintage intake (lower slung <br></div><div dir="ltr">'V') it would have all fit under the bonnet without that ridiculous <br></div><div dir="ltr">bonnet scope<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Nice enough looking car but no for that asking price!!!!!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">anyone want a very clean 50 mile post resto job spit! I'd go 11K obo? 13 <br></div><div dir="ltr">I'll throw in an o/d and hardtop<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs_dLi2nJE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs_dLi2nJE </a><<a href="https://youtu.be/kvs_dLi2nJE" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/kvs_dLi2nJE</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Paul Tegler<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net">ptegler@verizon.net</a> www.teglerizer.com<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/f88fe709/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/f88fe709/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 6<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:41:27 -0400 (EDT)<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Randall <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>>, <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:244469541.45635.1529444487801@connect.xfinity.com" href="mailto:244469541.45635.1529444487801@connect.xfinity.com">244469541.45635.1529444487801@connect.xfinity.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Okay. As usual, I don't totally understand the technology. Ugh! I was an English Major! Then human services administration....<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Is the answer that, since John Esposito put it in, ...that NAPA 30 wt non-detergent is okay? ...Or should I just stay with Mt-90 as all recommend here and use the 3 quarts of NAPA 30 in the lawn mower?I<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sorry to be so dense!!!!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Terry<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> On June 19, 2018 at 5:29 PM Randall <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Thing is, the factory switched from recommending motor oil to specifying<br></div><div dir="ltr">> GL4. Seems to me they must have had a reason for making the change.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Ken Gillanders (formerly British Frame and Engine) looked into the reason<br></div><div dir="ltr">> for the change, and was reportedly told by an ex-factory engineer that they<br></div><div dir="ltr">> were having trouble with premature failure of countershaft bearings/thrust<br></div><div dir="ltr">> washers. They felt the EP additives in the GL4 would help protect the<br></div><div dir="ltr">> bearing surfaces. Evidently it worked, because they continued to specify<br></div><div dir="ltr">> GL4 through the end of TR6 production.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> I can't say whether that is true, but I note that John Esposito also<br></div><div dir="ltr">> acknowledges it as a problem on these gearboxes, and offers to sell an<br></div><div dir="ltr">> (expensive) conversion to stronger bearings.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> His post about GL4 being too thick makes no sense at all to me. Even when<br></div><div dir="ltr">> the factory did recommend motor oil, they specified 50 weight for temps over<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 70F. 50 weight is actually thicker than 90 (at the same temperature)!<br></div><div dir="ltr">> (They are rated on different scales, which deliberately are offset from each<br></div><div dir="ltr">> other. No such thing as 50 weight gear oil, nor 90 weight motor oil.)<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> -- Randall<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/160ac32c/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/160ac32c/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 7<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:36:03 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: <<a ymailto="mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com" href="mailto:glemon@neb.rr.com">glemon@neb.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a>" <<a ymailto="mailto:wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:wbeech@flash.net">wbeech@flash.net</a>>, Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>>, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: "Triumphs \(<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>\)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:20180619233603.OB6YP.30369.root@cdptpa-web19" href="mailto:20180619233603.OB6YP.30369.root@cdptpa-web19">20180619233603.OB6YP.30369.root@cdptpa-web19</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As I understand it non-detergent is recommended because detergent oils suspend small impurities, dirt, ground metal etc. with the idea that the oil filter will screen them out.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">In a gearbox, or really old car with no oil filter, you want the dirt and such to settle to the bottom rather than float around and cause trouble.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">I think the multi viscosity additives promote the foaming. But I am not chemist or engineer, have just spent too much time reading about this stuff.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Greg Lemon<br></div><div dir="ltr">TR250<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">---- TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote: <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Thank you all for responding. I kinda thought it was the foaming issue. I seem to recall this, but don't know if it's accurate:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-detergent in the engine, to eliminate foaming at the mouth.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-detergent in the tranny to eliminating indigestion.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-detergent in the rear-end to eliminate...well, I won't go into it...:0)<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> That about right??<br></div><div dir="ltr">> <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > On June 19, 2018 at 2:47 PM "<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net" href="mailto:Wbeech@flash.net">Wbeech@flash.net</a> " wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > MT 90 in my ?58 w/OD, never misses a beat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Bill B<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > TS30800L<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Sent from my Apple II+<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > On Jun 19, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90 now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil. He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > > > I think the ND is to eliminate foaming. I started with 30 weight<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Non-Detergent in mine, but switched on the second change to MT-90.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Works a treat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > ** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team">triumphs@autox.team</a> mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team">triumphs@autox.team</a> .net **<br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech@flash.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> > <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 8<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 17:51:31 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Geo Hahn <<a ymailto="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com" href="mailto:ahwahneetr@gmail.com">ahwahneetr@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: Triumphs <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>>, Randall <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:CANzE1bHX9Ovxr-ejuRi901WFpSwtaOqBWMCdpP7ix-2krwu-5w@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:CANzE1bHX9Ovxr-ejuRi901WFpSwtaOqBWMCdpP7ix-2krwu-5w@mail.gmail.com">CANzE1bHX9Ovxr-ejuRi901WFpSwtaOqBWMCdpP7ix-2krwu-5w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 2:41 PM, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> .Or should I just stay with Mt-90 as all recommend here and use the 3<br></div><div dir="ltr">> quarts of NAPA 30 in the lawn mower?I<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">That is what I did. Except I do not have a lawnmower (or a lawn) - fill<br></div><div dir="ltr">every oil can, use it on the rear springs, try it in the SUs, etc.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Geo<br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/74d81c4b/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/74d81c4b/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 9<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 19:25:39 -0600<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: David P <<a ymailto="mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com" href="mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>>, TERRY SMITH<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: "Triumphs \(<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>\)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:8b6f1b24-75c8-db3e-55ed-ad9ceb3c1f11@porterscustom.com" href="mailto:8b6f1b24-75c8-db3e-55ed-ad9ceb3c1f11@porterscustom.com">8b6f1b24-75c8-db3e-55ed-ad9ceb3c1f11@porterscustom.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Non detergent oils are formulated to allow particulates to settle out <br></div><div dir="ltr">and not be recirculated. DaveP<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90 now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil. He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">> I think the ND is to eliminate foaming. I started with 30 weight<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-Detergent in mine, but switched on the second change to MT-90.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Works a treat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> ** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Donate: <a href="http://www.team.net/donate.html" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/donate.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Archive: <a href="http://www.team.net/archive" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/archive</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Forums: <a href="http://www.team.net/forums" target="_blank">http://www.team.net/forums</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Unsubscribe/Manage: <a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/frogeye@porterscustom.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Porter Custom Bicycles 2902 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">---<br></div><div dir="ltr">This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.avg.com/" target="_blank">https://www.avg.com</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 10<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 18:27:30 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Randall" <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:A60C480C59B24E69803341780528D4CE@RYPC" href="mailto:A60C480C59B24E69803341780528D4CE@RYPC">A60C480C59B24E69803341780528D4CE@RYPC</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Is the answer that, since John Esposito put it in, ...that <br></div><div dir="ltr">> NAPA 30 wt non-detergent is okay? ...Or should I just stay <br></div><div dir="ltr">> with Mt-90 as all recommend here and use the 3 quarts of NAPA <br></div><div dir="ltr">> 30 in the lawn mower?I Sorry to be so dense!!!!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We're talking opinions here. Mine is that MT-90 is much better than ND 30.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The OD doesn't care so much, it should work fine on either one, but the<br></div><div dir="ltr">MT-90 will make the main gearbox both perform better and last longer.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And it meets the manufacturer's requirements. ND 30 does not.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- Randall <br></div><div dir="ltr">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br></div><div dir="ltr">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br></div><div dir="ltr">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild <br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">Name: P53 Recommended Lubricants - Overseas reduced.jpg<br></div><div dir="ltr">Type: image/jpeg<br></div><div dir="ltr">Size: 205768 bytes<br></div><div dir="ltr">Desc: not available<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/95a730cb/attachment-0001.jpg" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/95a730cb/attachment-0001.jpg</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 11<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2018 21:38:51 -0500<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "dave" <<a ymailto="mailto:dave@ranteer.com" href="mailto:dave@ranteer.com">dave@ranteer.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] another one for the books<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <000201d4083f$d417fa10$7c47ee30$@ranteer.com><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The pictures don?t tell any story of the engine. Beautiful paint but it?s a hot rod aesthetic on an old British sports car. Good luck with that. Lets just be thankful he didn?t do that to a TR<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Triumphs <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 4:30 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: CARS <a ymailto="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com">nass@yahoogroups.com</a> <<a ymailto="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com" href="mailto:nass@yahoogroups.com">nass@yahoogroups.com</a>>; <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: [TR] another one for the books<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">another one for the books<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV </a><<a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV&vxp=mtr" target="_blank">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Spitfire-1500/223008157307?hash=item33ec526e7b:g:A24AAOSwQb1bGHjV&vxp=mtr</a>> &vxp=mtr<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">No starter installed (no room...it's in the boot) fuel lines not even hooked up (underneath pics) didn't even uprate the front brakes (to GT6 at least)<br></div><div dir="ltr">looks like ultra short rear a-arms... (a Cougar XR7 rear suspension/diff?)...can't see what he did for rear shocks/springs<br></div><div dir="ltr">...man if he'd only have used the '93-94 vintage intake (lower slung 'V') it would have all fit under the bonnet without that ridiculous bonnet scope<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Nice enough looking car but no for that asking price!!!!!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">anyone want a very clean 50 mile post resto job spit! I'd go 11K obo 13 I'll throw in an o/d and hardtop<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs_dLi2nJE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvs_dLi2nJE </a><<a href="https://youtu.be/kvs_dLi2nJE" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/kvs_dLi2nJE</a>> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"> <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div dir="ltr">Paul Tegler<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net">ptegler@verizon.net</a> <mailto:<a ymailto="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net" href="mailto:ptegler@verizon.net">ptegler@verizon.net</a>> www.teglerizer.com <<a href="http://www.teglerizer.com/" target="_blank">http://www.teglerizer.com</a>> <br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/86eb9f49/attachment-0001.html" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180619/86eb9f49/attachment-0001.html</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 12<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 07:58:51 -0400<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Jeff Scarbrough <<a ymailto="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com" href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "Triumphs (<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <CAO8Q7CNXhhf+nP9N7t88VPEgmK5o+<a ymailto="mailto:Qxh2PcDk-dCTFzFd7Qa5w@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:Qxh2PcDk-dCTFzFd7Qa5w@mail.gmail.com">Qxh2PcDk-dCTFzFd7Qa5w@mail.gmail.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Randall <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> And it meets the manufacturer's requirements.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Especially since we can't get Universal Thuban 90 over here any more.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 13<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:08:00 +0000<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Reihing, Randall S." <<a ymailto="mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu" href="mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu">Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "Triumphs (<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>)" <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9AD92@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu" href="mailto:5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9AD92@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu">5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9AD92@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This is an interesting discussion regarding MT90 gear oil versus 30 wt. non-detergent oil in TR3 gearboxes. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My humble opinion is that I fully agree with Randall that using MT90 gear oil is the best option for the TR3 gearbox. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It's all about the oil film's resistance to pressure, or the maximum psi the oil film can withstand between rotating/sliding parts in close proximity to each other during periods of high loads. The maximum pressure the MT90 oil film can withstand before failure is somewhere around 500,000 psi. It's not likely that any metal-to-metal contact can occur in a TR3 gearbox that will generate forces sufficient to pinch off that MT90 oil film and allow metal-to-metal contact, a primary contributor to premature wear. Not so with 30 wt. oil whether it's non-detergent or not. The 30 wt. oil does not provide an oil film with equally high pressure protection from metal-to-metal contact that the MT90 oil film provides and while the 30 wt. oil may work in the short term, the gearbox will not have the life span of the same unit using the factory recommended 90 wt. gear oil. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The only downside I can see is that winter driving may require some time for the TR3's gearbox to warm up or shifting gears may take a little extra effort before the gearbox and it's oil warm up a little. But then, here in NW, Ohio, I never drive my TR3 in the winter. It's just not the same experience when it's 10-20F outside.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Randall Reihing<br></div><div dir="ltr">1959 TR3A<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Triumphs [<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] on behalf of David P [<a ymailto="mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com" href="mailto:frogeye@porterscustom.com">frogeye@porterscustom.com</a>]<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:25 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: Jeff Scarbrough; TERRY SMITH<br></div><div dir="ltr">Cc: Triumphs (<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>)<br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Non detergent oils are formulated to allow particulates to settle out<br></div><div dir="ltr">and not be recirculated. DaveP<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">On 6/19/2018 11:59 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">> On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 1:34 PM, TERRY SMITH <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><div dir="ltr">>> Hello, everyone. Now I've got the OD sorted and working well consistently, I thought to turn attention to the OD oil. I'm running MT-90 now, mostly because it's the most highly recommended by you all and it was necessary to eliminate every possible variable that might have been contributing to the OD woes I was having.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> When the OD was rebuilt, the technician put in simple Napa 30 weight oil. He was convinced it worked just fine.<br></div><div dir="ltr">>><br></div><div dir="ltr">>> So my question. I've forgotten whether it was non-detergent. I suspect so,since wouldn't that give it more grip????<br></div><div dir="ltr">> I think the ND is to eliminate foaming. I started with 30 weight<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Non-Detergent in mine, but switched on the second change to MT-90.<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Works a treat.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Jeff Scarbrough<br></div><div dir="ltr">> Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> ** <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a> **<br></div><div dir="ltr">><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Donate: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=heEcP2AsrLOv4XP8e7I9NA&r=M9Vli1OgG7_7RAFFVpeXHiQAUCpprOLL1VRvWP3OJtI&m=Qcv0koMAbzrVg3p7kjmTbH4hfJYg9nYm12cCtwXJ7Dw&s=P7RZHtD-a4k4MBIDghaSVXaa5eiFB5fK8nCnmYMrSaA&e=" 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"<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>"<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID:<br></div><div dir="ltr"> <<a ymailto="mailto:5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9ADCE@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu" href="mailto:5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9ADCE@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu">5DF59F06A5E05E47A21C0E72057265D901BFA9ADCE@msgdb11.utad.utoledo.edu</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This is an interesting discussion regarding MT90 gear oil versus 30 wt. non-detergent oil in TR3 gearboxes. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">My humble opinion is that I fully agree with Randall that using MT90 gear oil is the best option for the TR3 gearbox. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">It's all about the oil film's resistance to pressure, or the maximum psi the oil film can withstand between rotating/sliding parts in close proximity to each other during periods of high loads. The maximum pressure the MT90 oil film can withstand before failure is somewhere around 500,000 psi. It's not likely that any metal-to-metal contact can occur in a TR3 gearbox that will generate forces sufficient to pinch off that MT90 oil film and allow metal-to-metal contact, a primary contributor to premature wear. Not so with 30 wt. oil whether it's non-detergent or not. The 30 wt. oil does not provide an oil film with equally high pressure protection from metal-to-metal contact that the MT90 oil film provides and while the 30 wt. oil may work in the short term, the gearbox will not have the life span of the same unit using the factory recommended 90 wt. gear oil. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The only downside I can see is that winter driving may require some time for the TR3's gearbox to warm up or shifting gears may take a little extra effort before the gearbox and it's oil warm up a little. But then, here in NW, Ohio, I never drive my TR3 in the winter. It's just not the same experience when it's 10-20F outside.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Randall Reihing<br></div><div dir="ltr">1959 TR3A<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: Triumphs [<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] on behalf of Randall [<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>]<br></div><div dir="ltr">Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 9:27 PM<br></div><div dir="ltr">To: 'TERRY SMITH'; <a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> Is the answer that, since John Esposito put it in, ...that<br></div><div dir="ltr">> NAPA 30 wt non-detergent is okay? ...Or should I just stay<br></div><div dir="ltr">> with Mt-90 as all recommend here and use the 3 quarts of NAPA<br></div><div dir="ltr">> 30 in the lawn mower?I Sorry to be so dense!!!!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">We're talking opinions here. Mine is that MT-90 is much better than ND 30.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">The OD doesn't care so much, it should work fine on either one, but the<br></div><div dir="ltr">MT-90 will make the main gearbox both perform better and last longer.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">And it meets the manufacturer's requirements. ND 30 does not.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- Randall<br></div><div dir="ltr">56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver<br></div><div dir="ltr">71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild<br></div><div dir="ltr">71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Message: 15<br></div><div dir="ltr">Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 08:21:01 -0700<br></div><div dir="ltr">From: "Randall" <<a ymailto="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com" href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">To: "'Reihing, Randall S.'" <<a ymailto="mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu" href="mailto:Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu">Randall.Reihing@utoledo.edu</a>>, "'TERRY<br></div><div dir="ltr"> SMITH'" <<a ymailto="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net" href="mailto:terryrs@comcast.net">terryrs@comcast.net</a>>, <<a ymailto="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Re: [TR] OD Oil<br></div><div dir="ltr">Message-ID: <<a ymailto="mailto:F8832026EAB549E2822A8A8F3B293922@RYPC" href="mailto:F8832026EAB549E2822A8A8F3B293922@RYPC">F8832026EAB549E2822A8A8F3B293922@RYPC</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">MT-90 is actually a 75W90 formulation, which is roughly the equivalent (in<br></div><div dir="ltr">viscosity) of 15W40 motor oil.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">This means that, at cold temperatures, MT-90 is actually thinner than ND 30!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">There is a neat on-line calculator at<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html" target="_blank">http://www.widman.biz/English/Calculators/Graph.html</a><br></div><div dir="ltr">Where you can plug in the viscosity at 40C and 100C from the product data<br></div><div dir="ltr">sheet and graph the results at lower temperatures.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Plugging in the numbers from the MT-90 datasheet and Valvoline ND 30<br></div><div dir="ltr">produced the attached chart. <br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">As you can (hopefully) see, the two curves cross at roughly 30C (86F). Even<br></div><div dir="ltr">at room temperature, the MT-90 is actually thinner than ND 30!<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Of course, it almost never freezes where I live (near Los Angeles, CA), but<br></div><div dir="ltr">I can vouch that MT-90 does shift easily on cold mornings, even when the<br></div><div dir="ltr">overnight low was close to freezing.<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">-- Randall<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">> The only downside I can see is that winter driving may <br></div><div dir="ltr">> require some time for the TR3's gearbox to warm up or <br></div><div dir="ltr">> shifting gears may take a little extra effort before the <br></div><div dir="ltr">> gearbox and it's oil warm up a little. <br></div><div dir="ltr">-------------- next part --------------<br></div><div dir="ltr">A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br></div><div dir="ltr">Name: MT 90 gear oil vs ND 30 motor oil viscosity.JPG<br></div><div dir="ltr">Type: image/jpeg<br></div><div dir="ltr">Size: 87007 bytes<br></div><div dir="ltr">Desc: not available<br></div><div dir="ltr">URL: <<a href="http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180620/f532c270/attachment-0001.jpe" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20180620/f532c270/attachment-0001.jpe</a>><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Subject: Digest Footer<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">_______________________________________________<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">Triumphs mailing list<br></div><div dir="ltr"><a ymailto="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net" href="mailto:Triumphs@autox.team.net">Triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><a href="http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs" target="_blank">http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs</a><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">------------------------------<br></div><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div dir="ltr">End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 11, Issue 145<br></div><div dir="ltr">*****************************************<br></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>