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1. High-flow thermostat (Peter Arakelian)<br>
2. My darned clutch (John Summers)<br>
3. Re: High-flow thermostat (Randall)<br>
4. Re: My darned clutch (Jeff Scarbrough)<br>
5. Re: High-flow thermostat (Jeff Scarbrough)<br>
6. Re: High-flow thermostat (Joe Burlein)<br>
7. Re: High-flow thermostat (Hoyt Duff)<br>
8. Re: Shining Silver (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 17:14:26 -0700<br>
From: Peter Arakelian <<a href="mailto:peterara@msn.com">peterara@msn.com</a>peterara@msn.com><br>
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Subject: [TR] High-flow thermostat<br>
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I have the opportunity to get a high flow thermostat for my TR6. I compared the diameter of the portion that actually opens to a standard thermostat, did some area calculations, and came up with approx. 10 square millimeters larger on the high flow.Question is will it do anything. Two schools of thought have come up. First, yes, it will allow a greater flow of hot coolant into the radiator, much like a high flow water pump would, therefore in hot weather, it will run cooler.Second, no, in fact it may cause overheating or less actual cooling, because the coolant will pass through the radiator too quickly, like having removed a thermostat, and thus not cool enough.Thoughts from the group?<br>
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Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver <br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 01:50:22 +0000 (UTC)<br>
From: John Summers <<a href="mailto:rivers2hills@yahoo.com">rivers2hills@yahoo.com</a>rivers2hills@yahoo.com><br>
To: "<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: [TR] My darned clutch<br>
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I sent this to the 6 Pack list, but the more answers, the merrier.? I changed my clutch slave cylinder and bled it. ?Went for a drive and<br>
after sitting in a drive through a few minutes had a heck of a time getting it in gear. ?I learned a long time agonot to take the car out of gear in situations like that. ?After some crunching of gears I got home. ?On adviceof one more experienced than me I re-bled the thing with my son pushing the pedal and me under the car.?Finally after seeing no more air bubbles and having a good amount of resistance I went for a short drive.Returning home and about to turn into my driveway I had to crunch the gears again. ?More fluid was added and?more pumping etc. I felt confident. ?I got to the end of my street today before I had to do a U turn and come home.I wonder whats wrong? ? ?There are different spots on the rod into the slave and frankly I don't remember?which hole I have it set at. ?Would changing that make a difference? ?Should I go to the hole nearer theslave or father away, should it come to that. ?Ideas, opinions, prayers??John Summers, ?Jacksonville Florida'74 TR 6<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:23:58 -0700<br>
From: "Randall" <<a href="mailto:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>TR3driver@ca.rr.com><br>
To: "'Peter Arakelian'" <<a href="mailto:peterara@msn.com">peterara@msn.com</a>peterara@msn.com>, <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] High-flow thermostat<br>
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> Second, no, in fact it may cause overheating or less actual <br>
> cooling, because the coolant will pass through the radiator <br>
> too quickly, like having removed a thermostat, and thus not <br>
> cool enough.<br>
> Thoughts from the group?<br>
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Old mechanics tale, doesn't actually happen that way.<br>
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However, there is another effect not mentioned. The TR2-6 pressure cap is on the high pressure side of the radiator. If the flow<br>
rate becomes high enough (or the radiator is clogged enough), the resistance to flow of the radiator will cause the pressure to<br>
rise, potentially high enough to force open the cap and allow coolant to leave the system. I believe that is the source of the old<br>
myth about water flowing through the radiator too fast. In other words, the coolant loss happens first, followed by overheating,<br>
not the other way around. Some of the racers have reported measuring as high as 35 psi in the cylinder block (pump outlet)!<br>
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There's a tech note at <a href="http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=11" target="_blank">http://stewartcomponents.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=11</a> with the same<br>
explanation.<br>
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How much improvement you'll see is also open to debate, though. It's kind of like the old saw about a chain only being as strong as<br>
it's weakest link. If lack of flow is not the problem, then increasing flow isn't going to help. And if (for example) the radiator<br>
is partially clogged (so it's the main limitation to flow) then a bigger thermostat isn't going to help either.<br>
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My own experiments in this area seem to suggest that flow is not the limiting factor on a TR3/3A engine, as long as the usual<br>
components are in good condition. The main limitation appears to be airflow through the radiator. (Ditto for the Stags.) Running<br>
a high flow thermostat made no discernable improvement in cooling ability and I've since switched back to a conventional thermostat<br>
with no discernable loss.<br>
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Of course, your car may be different (obviously the front of a TR6 is a lot different), and it's an easy experiment to try. So why<br>
not go for it?<br>
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Randall<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:56:16 -0400<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com><br>
To: John Summers <<a href="mailto:rivers2hills@yahoo.com">rivers2hills@yahoo.com</a>rivers2hills@yahoo.com><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] My darned clutch<br>
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Have you got the bleed screw on top?<br>
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On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:50 PM, John Summers <<a href="mailto:rivers2hills@yahoo.com">rivers2hills@yahoo.com</a>rivers2hills@yahoo.com> wrote:<br>
> I sent this to the 6 Pack list, but the more answers, the merrier.<br>
> I changed my clutch slave cylinder and bled it. Went for a drive and<br>
> after sitting in a drive through a few minutes had a heck of a time getting<br>
> it in gear. I learned a long time ago<br>
> not to take the car out of gear in situations like that. After some<br>
> crunching of gears I got home. On advice<br>
> of one more experienced than me I re-bled the thing with my son pushing the<br>
> pedal and me under the car.<br>
> Finally after seeing no more air bubbles and having a good amount of<br>
> resistance I went for a short drive.<br>
> Returning home and about to turn into my driveway I had to crunch the gears<br>
> again. More fluid was added and<br>
> more pumping etc. I felt confident. I got to the end of my street today<br>
> before I had to do a U turn and come home.<br>
> I wonder whats wrong? There are different spots on the rod into the slave<br>
> and frankly I don't remember<br>
> which hole I have it set at. Would changing that make a difference? Should<br>
> I go to the hole nearer the<br>
> slave or father away, should it come to that. Ideas, opinions, prayers?<br>
> John Summers, Jacksonville Florida<br>
> '74 TR 6<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 07:58:16 -0400<br>
From: Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] High-flow thermostat<br>
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If the water is too cool, the thermostat should close back up, thus<br>
limiting the effect.<br>
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On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Peter Arakelian <<a href="mailto:peterara@msn.com">peterara@msn.com</a>peterara@msn.com> wrote:<br>
> I have the opportunity to get a high flow thermostat for my TR6. I compared<br>
> the diameter of the portion that actually opens to a standard thermostat,<br>
> did some area calculations, and came up with approx. 10 square millimeters<br>
> larger on the high flow.<br>
> Question is will it do anything. Two schools of thought have come up.<br>
> First, yes, it will allow a greater flow of hot coolant into the radiator,<br>
> much like a high flow water pump would, therefore in hot weather, it will<br>
> run cooler.<br>
> Second, no, in fact it may cause overheating or less actual cooling, because<br>
> the coolant will pass through the radiator too quickly, like having removed<br>
> a thermostat, and thus not cool enough.<br>
> Thoughts from the group?<br>
><br>
> Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 09:25:46 -0400<br>
From: Joe Burlein <<a href="mailto:floridatr6@cfl.rr.com">floridatr6@cfl.rr.com</a>floridatr6@cfl.rr.com><br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] High-flow thermostat<br>
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On the subject of cooling; can't the car run hot when the timing is set incorrectly? IE: maybe not a cooling issue at all?<br>
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Joe B<br>
72 TR6<br>
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> On Apr 10, 2016, at 07:58, Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> If the water is too cool, the thermostat should close back up, thus<br>
> limiting the effect.<br>
> <br>
>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Peter Arakelian <<a href="mailto:peterara@msn.com">peterara@msn.com</a>peterara@msn.com> wrote:<br>
>> I have the opportunity to get a high flow thermostat for my TR6. I compared<br>
>> the diameter of the portion that actually opens to a standard thermostat,<br>
>> did some area calculations, and came up with approx. 10 square millimeters<br>
>> larger on the high flow.<br>
>> Question is will it do anything. Two schools of thought have come up.<br>
>> First, yes, it will allow a greater flow of hot coolant into the radiator,<br>
>> much like a high flow water pump would, therefore in hot weather, it will<br>
>> run cooler.<br>
>> Second, no, in fact it may cause overheating or less actual cooling, because<br>
>> the coolant will pass through the radiator too quickly, like having removed<br>
>> a thermostat, and thus not cool enough.<br>
>> Thoughts from the group?<br>
>> <br>
>> Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 10:19:36 -0400<br>
From: Hoyt Duff <<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>hoytduff@gmail.com><br>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com><br>
Cc: "<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net" <<a href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a>triumphs@autox.team.net><br>
Subject: Re: [TR] High-flow thermostat<br>
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My hotrod buddies turn a regular thermostat into a $30 "performance"<br>
thermostat by drilling a 1/8-inch hole in the flange of the<br>
thermostat. Having seen an actual in-the-package $30 "performance"<br>
thermostat, I can confirm this. I cannot confirm if it makes a damn<br>
bit of difference.<br>
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On 4/10/16, Jeff Scarbrough <<a href="mailto:fishplate@gmail.com">fishplate@gmail.com</a>fishplate@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
> If the water is too cool, the thermostat should close back up, thus<br>
> limiting the effect.<br>
><br>
> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Peter Arakelian <<a href="mailto:peterara@msn.com">peterara@msn.com</a>peterara@msn.com> wrote:<br>
>> I have the opportunity to get a high flow thermostat for my TR6. I<br>
>> compared<br>
>> the diameter of the portion that actually opens to a standard thermostat,<br>
>> did some area calculations, and came up with approx. 10 square<br>
>> millimeters<br>
>> larger on the high flow.<br>
>> Question is will it do anything. Two schools of thought have come up.<br>
>> First, yes, it will allow a greater flow of hot coolant into the<br>
>> radiator,<br>
>> much like a high flow water pump would, therefore in hot weather, it will<br>
>> run cooler.<br>
>> Second, no, in fact it may cause overheating or less actual cooling,<br>
>> because<br>
>> the coolant will pass through the radiator too quickly, like having<br>
>> removed<br>
>> a thermostat, and thus not cool enough.<br>
>> Thoughts from the group?<br>
>><br>
>> Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6, Daily Driver<br>
>><br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 08:31:15 -0700<br>
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <<a href="mailto:tjwakeman@gmail.com">tjwakeman@gmail.com</a>tjwakeman@gmail.com><br>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Shining Silver<br>
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On 4/8/16 1:13 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:<br>
> A few years back Karen and I celebrated our 25th wedding anniversary, <br>
> our Silver Anniversary as they call it.<br>
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> And coming up in just a few days on April 11th is Team.Net's Silver <br>
> Anniversary. Yes, on April 11, 1991 the domain was registered and <br>
> went on the air. In truth, it existed before that in the form of two <br>
> mailing lists, british-cars and autox which were outgrowths of <br>
> rec.autos Usenet groups. Murky history there.<br>
Not all that murky. I was asking questions about my newly purchased TR3 <br>
on rec.autos when I got an email from a guy named Dale (if I remember <br>
the name correctly). He said he was starting up a British cars email <br>
list and asked if I wanted to be part of the mail group.<br>
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Dale worked at Apollo Computers and set the server up on a company <br>
computer. Dale owned an MGB. If memory serves his MGB lived in a <br>
narrow dirt earth one car garage. He eventually gave up the car because <br>
he and his wife could no longer comfortably sit in the vehicle. I don't <br>
remember where the british car mail list went after then.<br>
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In early 1990, the Land Rover mail list (LRO) was the first to split off <br>
from the British car mail list. I was there art the beginning of both <br>
lists as twakeman@hplabs and <a href="mailto:twakeman@apple.com">twakeman@apple.com</a>twakeman@apple.com<br>
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TeriAnn<br>
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