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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi John,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is possible the PO bought a lowering kit which I recall uses shorter springs. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The lowering kit that Tony Hart Sells uses red springs, see if it looks like these:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Stag-NEW-suspension-lowering-kit-MK1-AND-MK2-/371570077106?hash=item56834d6db2">http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-Stag-NEW-suspension-lowering-kit-MK1-AND-MK2-/371570077106?hash=item56834d6db2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Have a look at the front springs, they have the tell-tale different coil spacing<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Lowering, when done correctly, will not leave the rear camber off because Tony’s kit uses new Camber adjusting blocks for the Semi-trailing arm to compensate for the lowering. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So something else must be off.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If it is a Tony Hart Kit, there are instructions specifically to adjust the camber blocks correctly – the inside ones might be on upside down. Maybe an email to Tony and ask him to email you the instructions for his kit if not in the PO’s paperwork.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The site for TSN I intend to revive as soon as I can get access to the files from Richard. There is too much historical information there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Stag-By-Triumph Garage is an extension of TSN but for the physical part, and will be linked to TSN when it is back up and running on a new provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Glenn Merrell <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>aka StagByTriumph Garage (<i>now on FaceBook</i>)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen … with the occasional smell of manure!”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Lee&John Howard [mailto:leejohn7@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Glenn A. Merrell<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Stag Rear End Squat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My apologies. Let me try again.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The car was totally stripped when I bought it. The PO had all new suspension parts, and I went about assembling according to the ROM and the Parts manual. This all happened in his garage, and after I got it on wheels and the engine installed, I trailered it home, and never noticed how badly out of whack the rear wheels are.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>The four springs appeared to be a set, all colored orangey-red, and I'm now wondering if they are stock. Do you what the relaxed length is supposed to be? I also have a toe-in problem, and discover I put the shims on the inside bracket! That's the sort of thing that's been happening all along as I lacked the knowledge that comes from being the disassembler. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>I will definitely check those bolt holes; while I should have noticed when putting it together, very likely I did not.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I like your repair and could deal with it if necessary, but I'msure not anxious to drop the rear end. I am <u>so</u> close to the road!<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks for your regular help on this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Have you dropped your old website in favor of the Facebook page? ( which is good fun, BTW.)<br><br><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 9:06 AM, <<a href="mailto:StagByTriumph@triumphstagclub.org" target="_blank">StagByTriumph@triumphstagclub.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi John,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> My apologies for the delay.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You mention this project was in boxes? Was the suspension also in boxes or was it a rolling chassis? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Excessive rear camber, in my experience, is almost always due to elongation of the subframe bolt holes supporting the differential. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This allows the subframe arms to lower, in turn taking the trailing arms to sag toward the center of the chassis, and in turn the camber becomes excessive.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The only lateral hold of the subframe bolts is a bit of bent sheet steel that cannot support the bolt weight. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have photos somewhere of repairs to the subframe inner bolt holes where I applied a repair using heavy wall pipe with an ID that matched the OD of the Subframe bolts. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I drilled out the subframe holes using a unibit in a drill press to fit the OD of the pipe, cut pipe pieces to fit to the outside edge of the subframe metal and welded them in place. Then I suitably ground, painted and rustproofed the upgrade repair. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alternatively it might be weak coil springs, however that can be temporarily corrected by adding a machined spacer or thicker rubber insulators under the spring. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>First check however would be the subframe bolt holes. You can jack the car and look to see of the differential plate to subframe arms has shifted, a tell-tale sign of elongation of the bolt holes. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Glenn Merrell aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen … with the occasional smell of manure!”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Triumphs [mailto:<a href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net" target="_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lee&John Howard<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 09, 2016 3:44 PM<br><b>To:</b> triumph list list<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Stag Rear End Squat</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Well, the Stag motor purrs, drove to the end of driveway and back (!) and all seems well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>BUT the rear end sags something awful, showing a reverse camber of a full inch. Are the springs too short? Remember I bought this project "in boxes" and all suspension parts were new. I don't remember it being this bad when I trailered it to the paint shop, but that doesn't mean much. <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Despite the squat, the car sits pretty level, only about 1/2 inch lower at the rear measuring from the rocker chrome.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Could the DPO have simply bought the incorrect spring? Or is it something else?<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Many thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>John Howard<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Oh - and cannot connect to the Stag list. Is something up (or down) there?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>