From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 17:10:55 2026
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2026 16:10:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHAOBQgRF-y3fRyTgaf79NBiihxqkkK0bkpejv2jFrCHw@mail.gmail.com>

I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.

Sujit

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From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 06:53:57 2026
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2026 13:53:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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Hi Sujit,

I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change. The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You don't need to use much fluid for each test.

Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a head gasket issue.

I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit - Made in USA : Automotive<https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>

You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts store.

Hope this helps

JVV
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations

I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.

Sujit

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jan  3 19:46:28 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
In-Reply-To: <65E08A68-5B80-4D1B-B11A-8F4FB327A8FD@yahoo.com>
References: <3c6d57caa83a451e80cd954cdedd3de8@ranteer.com>,
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I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this


-------- Original message --------
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping

Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
Bill

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Jan  3 22:26:32 2026
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
Subject: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sujit,
>
> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>
> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
> head gasket issue.
>
> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> Made in USA : Automotive
> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>
> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> store.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> JVV
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>
> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>
> Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
>

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 12:24:35 2026
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 19:24:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
In-Reply-To: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936@ranteer.com>
References: <3c6d57caa83a451e80cd954cdedd3de8@ranteer.com>
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 <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <587586343.6855782.1767554675415@mail.yahoo.com>

 Laser engraving looks wrong.
Stamp sets are available on ebay.......I bought a set years ago at an auction.....same size as originals.
Chad in Tulsa.
    On Saturday, January 3, 2026 at 09:05:21 PM CST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
  I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this

-------- Original message --------From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00) To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping 
Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight. ?Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.?Bill
?The harder I work, the luckier I get? ?H. Ford
On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

? 
Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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From oertwig at mac.com  Sun Jan  4 19:04:12 2026
From: oertwig at mac.com (Stephen Oertwig)
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 20:04:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

Steve

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> 
> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> 
> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>> 
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>> Sujit
>> 
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 09:54:40 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 08:54:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Triumph RazorEdge Renown engine
Message-ID: <996880591.172161.1767632080908@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello Triumph list,
I have an engine that came from a early '50s RazorEdge/ Renown.  I believe it is the same engine as in the 2000. 
The engine is mostly complete.  The head is off and number one piston is removed.
The piston issue is likely the reason the engine was removed from the car.  
The intake and exhaust manifolds, carburetor and air filter system are in good condition and complete.  
The block has a 1952 casting date.  It also was rebuilt by the factory in 1968 and has a plate riveted to the block stating this.   
If anyone is interested in the engine, it is free to a good home.   
Regards,
Dave Hogye
831-234-4928
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jan  5 14:54:56 2026
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 21:54:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
Dave 


 

    On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:   

 I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

Steve

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
> 
> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
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> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>> 
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>> Sujit
>> 
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
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> Cupertino, California
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jan  5 17:57:19 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 00:57:19 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumph RazorEdge Renown engine
Message-ID: <B9836D45-C10C-4E14-9989-E51EACFFEA6A@gmx.com>

Wow! Now that?s something I?d love to have to just look at and love. A genuine Standard recon unit In the States too! Rare as sheep?s upper teeth. Got a be worth something to a collector of Standard ephemera even in the UK, let alone t?other side of the big pond.

Jonmac

> On 5 Jan 2026, at 16:54, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello Triumph list,
> I have an engine that came from a early '50s RazorEdge/ Renown.  I believe it is the same engine as in the 2000. 
> The engine is mostly complete.  The head is off and number one piston is removed.
> The piston issue is likely the reason the engine was removed from the car.  
> The intake and exhaust manifolds, carburetor and air filter system are in good condition and complete.  
> The block has a 1952 casting date.  It also was rebuilt by the factory in 1968 and has a plate riveted to the block stating this.   
> If anyone is interested in the engine, it is free to a good home.   
> Regards,
> Dave Hogye
> 831-234-4928
> <04C3B071-471F-4676-82C8-5DB5944A53ED_1_105_c.jpeg>
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From grandfatherjim at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 18:00:53 2026
From: grandfatherjim at gmail.com (Jim Wallace)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 20:00:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation
Message-ID: <CAA43NTvy-_evSz580TepuvD3=d_z4q=Xk+jT8hbRWXC4SJ64Mw@mail.gmail.com>

How do you do it without scratching the paint?
Mine is the later style, held on with machine screws.
I've got the glass in the frame, and the tenons and stanchions attached. So
now there are the pieces that go against the body, and the stanchions that
will cover them. I can imagine somehow holding them all together and
sliding the assembly downward, but I'm sure I'd scratch the paint. I tried
sticking them on the body using a bit of plumber's putty and sliding the
windshield assembly backward, but it hit the wiper shafts.
What's the trick?
Jim
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jan  5 18:04:35 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 01:04:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
Message-ID: <E4D62F1D-7952-4C10-8B55-E61BDABEAACF@gmx.com>

Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.

Jonmac

> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> 
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 
> 
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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>> 
>>  1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>  2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>     (Sujit Roy)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> 
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>> Bill
>> 
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sujit,
>>> 
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>> 
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>> head gasket issue.
>>> 
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>> 
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>> store.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> JVV
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>> 
>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>> 
>>> Sujit
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>> 
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 18:41:00 2026
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 18:41:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
In-Reply-To: <1698516777.7379630.1767650096023@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1767553201.1613.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <B5211DC7-F23D-4DA3-AC68-8876E5A24AEC@mac.com>
 <1698516777.7379630.1767650096023@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCnUcNY4-xGrMe7jc2-O5u6hfgp8RSCxafQG_QGyfbxXw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg

Don
Santa Fe
(TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one
> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is
> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
>
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
>
> Steve
>
> > On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >
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> >
> >  1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> >  2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >      (Sujit Roy)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> > To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >     <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> > Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> > Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >
> > Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the
> ?3? will be wrong.
> > Bill
> >
> > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> >
> > On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> > To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> > Thanks, I'll check them out.
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Sujit,
> >>
> >> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> >> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> change.
> >> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> >> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> >>
> >> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> the
> >> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> when
> >> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> >> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> of a
> >> head gasket issue.
> >>
> >> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> >> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> >> Made in USA : Automotive
> >> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >
> >>
> >> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> >> store.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps
> >>
> >> JVV
> >> ------------------------------
> >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> Roy
> >> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> >> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>
> >> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
> >> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
> >>
> >> Sujit
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sujit Roy
> >> Cupertino, California
> >>
> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >>
> >
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> > Cupertino, California
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 18:44:18 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 17:44:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumph RazorEdge Renown engine
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 19:38:38 2026
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2026 19:38:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation
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I initially cut some rubber sheet to make a sort of gasket to protect the
scuttle paint on my TR3B.  It worked, but was way too noticeable.  I ended
up cutting some tough plastic film (leftover from ski protection, based on
Surlyn ionomer, but I'm sure other materials -- maybe even packaging tape
-- would work OK.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XdqQGZ7/0/LTMVWzGFbRkrMbptJzksmP4NvPXptKWGpFDRNS2xq/X5/i-XdqQGZ7-X5.jpg
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Don
Santa Fe
(TR3B TSF202L)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 7:25?PM Jim Wallace <grandfatherjim at gmail.com> wrote:

> How do you do it without scratching the paint?
> Mine is the later style, held on with machine screws.
> I've got the glass in the frame, and the tenons and stanchions attached.
> So now there are the pieces that go against the body, and the stanchions
> that will cover them. I can imagine somehow holding them all together and
> sliding the assembly downward, but I'm sure I'd scratch the paint. I tried
> sticking them on the body using a bit of plumber's putty and sliding the
> windshield assembly backward, but it hit the wiper shafts.
> What's the trick?
> Jim
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  5 19:38:52 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 02:38:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation
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Takes 2 people.   DO NOT do it yourself


-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Wallace <grandfatherjim at gmail.com>
Date: 1/5/26 6:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation

How do you do it without scratching the paint?
Mine is the later style, held on with machine screws.
I've got the glass in the frame, and the tenons and stanchions attached. So now there are the pieces that go against the body, and the stanchions that will cover them. I can imagine somehow holding them all together and sliding the assembly downward, but I'm sure I'd scratch the paint. I tried sticking them on the body using a bit of plumber's putty and sliding the windshield assembly backward, but it hit the wiper shafts.
What's the trick?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  5 20:33:04 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 03:33:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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John -
Thank you,  as usual,  for brightening our day


-------- Original message --------
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Date: 1/5/26 6:51 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.

Jonmac

> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>
> Steve
>
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>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>> Bill
>>
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>> ?
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>> head gasket issue.
>>>
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>> store.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> JVV
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>
>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>
>>> Sujit
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>>
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  5 20:57:56 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 03:57:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.

I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,  but it is beautiful


-------- Original message --------
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg

Don
Santa Fe
(TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.

Dave




On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com<mailto:oertwig at mac.com>> wrote:


I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

Steve

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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
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>
> -------- Original message --------
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> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
>
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>
> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
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> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com<mailto:jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Sujit,
>>
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>>
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com<mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>
>> Sujit
>>
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>>
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jan  5 23:36:11 2026
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 00:36:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.
He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet
metal screws.  He reused the original screws.

Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even
brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.

I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and
riveted the plate on.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
>
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,
> but it is beautiful
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
>
> Don
> Santa Fe
> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
>> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
>> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
>> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original
>> one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri.
>> It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on
>> other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
>> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
>> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
>> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
>> after lunch.
>>
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
>> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
>> plates and body numbers.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>> > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>> > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> > To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>> >     <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> > Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
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>> > I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> > Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> >
>> > Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course,
>> the ?3? will be wrong.
>> > Bill
>> >
>> > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>> >
>> > On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>> > From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> > To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> > Thanks, I'll check them out.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Sujit,
>> >>
>> >> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> >> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
>> change.
>> >> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> >> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> >>
>> >> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
>> the
>> >> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
>> when
>> >> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> >> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
>> of a
>> >> head gasket issue.
>> >>
>> >> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> >> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> >> Made in USA : Automotive
>> >> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
>> >
>> >>
>> >> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> >> store.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps
>> >>
>> >> JVV
>> >> ------------------------------
>> >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
>> Roy
>> >> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
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>> >> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> >>
>> >> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test
>> my
>> >> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> >>
>> >> Sujit
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Sujit Roy
>> >> Cupertino, California
>> >>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 23:53:36 2026
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 00:53:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation
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I laid a pad downstairs first to position the frame, but you need to have a helper to set it on place.
Bill B
TS30766L

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Jan 5, 2026, at 10:37?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

? Takes 2 people.   DO NOT do it yourself


-------- Original message --------
From: Jim Wallace <grandfatherjim at gmail.com>
Date: 1/5/26 6:30 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 windscreen installation

How do you do it without scratching the paint?
Mine is the later style, held on with machine screws. 
I've got the glass in the frame, and the tenons and stanchions attached. So now there are the pieces that go against the body, and the stanchions that will cover them. I can imagine somehow holding them all together and sliding the assembly downward, but I'm sure I'd scratch the paint. I tried sticking them on the body using a bit of plumber's putty and sliding the windshield assembly backward, but it hit the wiper shafts.
What's the trick?
Jim
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan  6 05:34:48 2026
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 12:34:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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In the end it is all about the inspector.? If one guy rejects it you can shop it around until you find someone who will not notice it.? And with our cars, it's not a big deal.? When you start talking six-figure Jags or Aston-Martins? you get into the investor category and that's when you get investment advisors looking into this level of detail.? And especially so for cars with provenance - like Paul Newman's TR6 or Princess Grace's Rover P71.? These guys don't want to end up buying the Ship of Theseus.
Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 12:46:14 AM CST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:   

 I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.

  
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Jan  6 06:06:19 2026
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 08:06:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on. Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks) with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure out what parts to select when doing a major repair.

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

 

I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.  He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.  He reused the original screws.

 

Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.

 

I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not. 

 

I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,  but it is beautiful 

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com <mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com> > 

Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) 

To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > 

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> , Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com <mailto:oertwig at mac.com> > 

Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process 

 

I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg

 

Don

Santa Fe

(TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)

 

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com <mailto:oertwig at mac.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

 

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

 

Steve

 

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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this

> 

> 

> -------- Original message --------

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> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)

> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >

> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping

> 

> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.

> Bill

> 

> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

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> Thanks, I'll check them out.

> 

> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com <mailto:jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com> >

> wrote:

> 

>> Hi Sujit,

>> 

>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the

>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.

>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You

>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.

>> 

>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the

>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when

>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets

>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a

>> head gasket issue.

>> 

>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one

>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -

>> Made in USA : Automotive

>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>

>> 

>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts

>> store.

>> 

>> Hope this helps

>> 

>> JVV

>> ------------------------------

>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Sujit Roy

>> <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >

>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM

>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >

>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations

>> 

>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my

>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.

>> 

>> Sujit

>> 

>> --

>> Sujit Roy

>> Cupertino, California

>> 

>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

>> 

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 08:33:02 2026
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 07:33:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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I used the original tag.  Cleaned it up as much as I could.  Modified, turned down, wide diameter rivets to look like the originals.  Then cut short lengths of the rivet shaft and glued them in place.  Photo attached.
Dave H.
 

> On 01/05/2026 10:36 PM PST Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.  He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.  He reused the original screws.
>  
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
>  
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
>  
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com mailto:dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> > I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
> >  
> > I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,  but it is beautiful 
> >  
> >  
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> > Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>
> > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com mailto:oertwig at mac.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> >  
> > I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
> >  
> > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> >  
> > Don
> > Santa Fe
> > (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> > >  
> > > Dave
> > >  
> > >  
> > >  
> > > On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com mailto:oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> > >  
> > >  
> > > I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> > >  
> > > Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
> > >  
> > > Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
> > >  
> > > Steve
> > >  
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> > > >      (Sujit Roy)
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> > > > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> > > > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
> > > > To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> > > > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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> > > > I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
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> > > > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> > > > Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > > > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> > > >
> > > > Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> > > >
> > > > On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com mailto:dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?
> > > > Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> > > > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> > > > From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>
> > > > To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com mailto:jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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> > > > Thanks, I'll check them out.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com mailto:jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi Sujit,
> > > >>
> > > >> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> > > >> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
> > > >> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> > > >> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> > > >>
> > > >> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
> > > >> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
> > > >> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> > > >> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
> > > >> head gasket issue.
> > > >>
> > > >> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> > > >> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> > > >> Made in USA : Automotive
> > > >> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
> > > >>
> > > >> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> > > >> store.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hope this helps
> > > >>
> > > >> JVV
> > > >> ------------------------------
> > > >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
> > > >> <triumphstag at gmail.com mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>
> > > >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
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> > > >> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> > > >>
> > > >> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
> > > >> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
> > > >>
> > > >> Sujit
> > > >>
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> > > >> Cupertino, California
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 10:44:44 2026
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 17:44:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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 give me a few days.i did get a run of original rivits made.ill see if i can have a new run made and how much it may cost.they were quite reasonable as i recall
Frank

    On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:48:21 PM PST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
Greg LemonTR250
On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?

-------- Original message --------From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process 
I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
DonSanta Fe(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
Dave 




On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:

I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

Steve

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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
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> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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> ?
> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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> Thanks, I'll check them out.
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> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>> 
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>> Sujit
>> 
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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>> 
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From oertwig at mac.com  Tue Jan  6 13:27:46 2026
From: oertwig at mac.com (Stephen Oertwig)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 14:27:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] The plate in question
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To John, Don, Greg and other esteemed members of the list ? Thanks for feedback on the estate commission plate. We all are getting older. Not old, just older. It has warmed up here so it makes working outside and in the garage more enjoyable. I will rivet it on and have the sheriff have a look. The ?LSC? designates this as a left-hand drive estate car.  Trim (what is left of it) shows the seats are hide.  I better get treating them with some conditioner. 
Best to all in 2026 ? Steve


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On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
wrote:

> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you
> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure
> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>
>
>
> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.
> He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet
> metal screws.  He reused the original screws.
>
>
>
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even
> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
> screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
>
>
>
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
> and riveted the plate on.
>
>
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> TR250
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
>
>
>
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,
> but it is beautiful
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>
>
>
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
>
>
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
>
>
>
> Don
>
> Santa Fe
>
> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one
> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is
> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
>
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
>
>
>
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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> > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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> > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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> > I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > -------- Original message --------
>
> > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>
> > Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>
> >
>
> > Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the
> ?3? will be wrong.
>
> > Bill
>
> >
>
> > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>
> >
>
> > On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > ?
>
> > Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
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> > From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
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> > To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Hi Sujit,
>
> >>
>
> >> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>
> >> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> change.
>
> >> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>
> >> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>
> >>
>
> >> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> the
>
> >> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> when
>
> >> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>
> >> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> of a
>
> >> head gasket issue.
>
> >>
>
> >> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>
> >> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>
> >> Made in USA : Automotive
>
> >> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>
> >> store.
>
> >>
>
> >> Hope this helps
>
> >>
>
> >> JVV
>
> >> ------------------------------
>
> >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> Roy
>
> >> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>
> >> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>
> >> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>
> >>
>
> >> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>
> >> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>
> >>
>
> >> Sujit
>
> >>
>
> >> --
>
> >> Sujit Roy
>
> >> Cupertino, California
>
> >>
>
> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Sujit Roy
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From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2026 17:07:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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Thanks

 

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Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.

 

https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/

 

 

On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net <mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net> > wrote:

That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on. Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks) with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure out what parts to select when doing a major repair.

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

 

I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.  He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.  He reused the original screws.

 

Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.

 

I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not. 

 

I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,  but it is beautiful 

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com <mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com> > 

Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) 

To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > 

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> , Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com <mailto:oertwig at mac.com> > 

Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process 

 

I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg

 

Don

Santa Fe

(TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)

 

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com <mailto:oertwig at mac.com> > wrote: 

 

 

I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

 

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

 

Steve

 

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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this

> 

> 

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> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)

> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >

> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping

> 

> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.

> Bill

> 

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> Thanks, I'll check them out.

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> wrote:

> 

>> Hi Sujit,

>> 

>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the

>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.

>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You

>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.

>> 

>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the

>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when

>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets

>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a

>> head gasket issue.

>> 

>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one

>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -

>> Made in USA : Automotive

>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>

>> 

>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts

>> store.

>> 

>> Hope this helps

>> 

>> JVV

>> ------------------------------

>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Sujit Roy

>> <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >

>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM

>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >

>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations

>> 

>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my

>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.

>> 

>> Sujit

>> 

>> --

>> Sujit Roy

>> Cupertino, California

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>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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 Paul how good to see you emailing again.what did you ever do with your TR?
and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it one time

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    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/

On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:


That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on. Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks) with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure out what parts to select when doing a major repair.

?

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment 

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process

?

I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.

?

Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.

?

I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.

?

Greg Lemon

TR250

?

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:


I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not. 

?

I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?

?

?

-------- Original message --------

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> 

Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) 

To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> 

Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process 

?

I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)

?

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg

?

Don

Santa Fe

(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)

?

On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:


I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.

?

Dave 

?

?

?

?

On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote: 

?

?

I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

?

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

?

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

?

Steve

?

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> Message: 1

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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this

> 

> 

> -------- Original message --------

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> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)

> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>

> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping

> 

> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.

> Bill

> 

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> Thanks, I'll check them out.

> 

> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>

> wrote:

> 

>> Hi Sujit,

>> 

>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the

>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.

>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You

>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.

>> 

>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the

>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when

>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets

>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a

>> head gasket issue.

>> 

>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one

>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -

>> Made in USA : Automotive

>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>

>> 

>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts

>> store.

>> 

>> Hope this helps

>> 

>> JVV

>> ------------------------------

>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy

>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>

>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM

>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations

>> 

>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my

>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.

>> 

>> Sujit

>> 

>> --

>> Sujit Roy

>> Cupertino, California

>> 

>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 13:31:57 2026
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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 on commision plate rivetsas i no longer work, i have no company account and therefore do not get a trade discount.it looks like its going to be around 10.00 a pair with postage paid to lower 48.will take a couple of weeks to get shiped if you are interseted.if there is enough interest.
Frank?
    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 09:44:44 AM PST, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:  
 
  give me a few days.i did get a run of original rivits made.ill see if i can have a new run made and how much it may cost.they were quite reasonable as i recall
Frank

    On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:48:21 PM PST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
Greg LemonTR250
On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?

-------- Original message --------From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process 
I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
DonSanta Fe(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
Dave 




On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:

I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.

Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 

Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.

Steve

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> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
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> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>> 
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>> Sujit
>> 
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Jan  7 15:30:43 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:30:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] Commission plate
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I?d say that?s definitely ?a Nobby plate?. 
Picture the scene. 
To the background noise of howling compressed air tools, frantic hammering, oaths, a blaring public address system that no one can understand because the announcer in the telephone exchange always sounds as though she?s talking with a clothes peg on her nose - some elderly men are sitting at their workstations, lugubriously stamping blank commission plates. One of them is peering at his block of wood holding his tool steel letter punches.
?Wots yer looking for, Nobby??
?Can?t find me S and C punches. One o? yow thievin? bastard ?as took it an? didn?t even bleed in? ask me before?and.?
Brief silence until the PA system is briefly silent.
?Any of yers got Nobby?s S an C punches? Cmon, someone?s got it ain?t yer??
Peerings take place as operatives study their punch racks. Nobby glares at all of them through his fish eye glasses. Heads shake in denial
?Cmon, yow lot. Yow knows all me punches got a painted red band on ?em so oi knows ?os arse ter kick when oi cums back from ?avin a Jimmy! Ooze got ?em??
Another pause.
?Nob, yer can borra mine if I stands over yer ter make sure yer don?t pinch em and paint em red later?.
?Ta, mate?.
?Ere, Nob, afore yer ?it it, check the yeller side is facin yer. Ven you?ll know yerve got it the right way round so some yank can read it.?
Nobby checks the yellow side is facing him as he hits the punch with his well-worn hammer. Handing the punches back to his colleague, he studies his handiwork.
?Yow niver said nuffink about that S and C bein small. So small, oi can ardly read them buggers. ***k me gently, that?ll niver git past Inspection on Final Finish!?
?Oo ever said anyfink about bein legible? Numbers on the plate ain?t it and the plate?ll soon be riveted on? Too bloody late to moan about anyfink we do ere bein readable. No buggers ever look at em anyways, so don?t you lose lose no sleep about it Nobby my old son! Just let someone else moan about it later on and in anuvver place.?

"
.............Fifty or more years later, someone did actually read that plate and ?worried? about it.

Jonmac




From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 18:57:01 2026
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:57:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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I sold it. i?m kinda sorry that I did. And good to hear from you Frank I am
no longer able to do anything outside my head injured was getting too bad
thanks.

On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 2:54?PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Paul how good to see you emailing again.
> what did you ever do with your TR?
>
> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it
> one time
>
>
> Frank Fisher
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <
> dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
> wrote:
>
> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you
> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure
> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>
>
>
> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.
> He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet
> metal screws.  He reused the original screws.
>
>
>
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even
> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
> screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
>
>
>
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
> and riveted the plate on.
>
>
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> TR250
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
>
>
>
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,
> but it is beautiful
>
>
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>
> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>
>
>
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
>
>
>
>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
>
>
>
> Don
>
> Santa Fe
>
> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one
> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is
> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>
>
>
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
>
>
>
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> > On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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> > Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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> > From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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> > To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> > I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
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> >
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> >
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> > -------- Original message --------
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> > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>
> > Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
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> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>
> >
>
> > Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the
> ?3? will be wrong.
>
> > Bill
>
> >
>
> > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>
> >
>
> > On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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> > Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
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> > From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
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> > To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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> > Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> > On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> Hi Sujit,
>
> >>
>
> >> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>
> >> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> change.
>
> >> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>
> >> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>
> >>
>
> >> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> the
>
> >> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> when
>
> >> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>
> >> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> of a
>
> >> head gasket issue.
>
> >>
>
> >> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>
> >> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>
> >> Made in USA : Automotive
>
> >> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >
>
> >>
>
> >> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>
> >> store.
>
> >>
>
> >> Hope this helps
>
> >>
>
> >> JVV
>
> >> ------------------------------
>
> >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> Roy
>
> >> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
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> >> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
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> >> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> >> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>
> >>
>
> >> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
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>
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> >> Sujit
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 21:31:41 2026
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:31:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
In-Reply-To: <E4D62F1D-7952-4C10-8B55-E61BDABEAACF@gmx.com>
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John,
Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
Bill

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.

Jonmac

> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> 
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
> 
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
> 
> Steve
> 
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>>    (Sujit Roy)
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>   <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> 
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>> Bill
>> 
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sujit,
>>> 
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>> 
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>> head gasket issue.
>>> 
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>> 
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>> store.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> JVV
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>> 
>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>> 
>>> Sujit
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>> 
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 21:39:28 2026
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 04:39:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 2
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Listers,
Regarding head gasket leaks. Now that a huge percentage of cars are ob2
complaint there must be thousands of older exhaust/tailpipe sniffers laying dormant. The same sniffers can also be used to sniff a radiator!
Tomorrow I will ask a couple of local shops. The was a unit made by Hamilton Standard that worked well.

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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this


-------- Original message --------
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping

Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
Bill

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
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Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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Thanks, I'll check them out.

On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Sujit,
>
> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>
> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
> head gasket issue.
>
> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> Made in USA : Automotive
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBlock-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak%2Fdp%2FB06VVBSFTF%2Fref%3Dsr_1_3%3Fcrid%3DB5BELSHHE2V2%26dib%3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo%26dib_tag%3Dse%26keywords%3Dcombustion%2Bgas%2Btester%2Bfor%2Bcoolant%26qid%3D1767361665%26sprefix%3DCombustion%2Bgas%2B%252Caps%252C3537%26sr%3D8-3&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb95c5582e7564ca852df08de4bd33f09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639031567834836948%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FBsQmZ7jGVHOyM7Iwv3Y%2BQ9G%2FmzsL4tLK%2BpKB6StJH8%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>>
>
> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> store.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> JVV
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>
> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>
> Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jan  8 03:39:53 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 10:39:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
In-Reply-To: <2A686411-203E-459A-AC9D-923D68D8BB5E@yahoo.com>
References: <E4D62F1D-7952-4C10-8B55-E61BDABEAACF@gmx.com>
 <2A686411-203E-459A-AC9D-923D68D8BB5E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FAC5EB80-5A31-4669-BACD-A2E20850A0CB@gmx.com>

He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.

JM

> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> 
> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>> 
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 
>> 
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>    (Sujit Roy)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>   <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>> 
>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>> 
>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>> 
>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>> store.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>> 
>>>> JVV
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>> 
>>>> Sujit
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>> 
>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jan  8 08:49:47 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 15:49:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
In-Reply-To: <963EC917-43AB-4A4D-B85D-792528AA918C@mac.com>
References: <FAC5EB80-5A31-4669-BACD-A2E20850A0CB@gmx.com>
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Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me when well-intended people don?t check their facts. Exactly the same situation applies when other enthusiasts for Jaguar and MG do the same thing.

Cheers, Jonmac

> On 8 Jan 2026, at 15:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear John,
> 
> Again, a piece of history people need to know. Shows the gratitude Sir John Black had for those who served. This story should be told when we honor his legacy Feb. 10. 
> 
> V/R
> Steve
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2026, at 4:40?AM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.
>> 
>> JM
>> 
>>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
>>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>>> 
>>> Jonmac
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>>> 
>>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch. 
>>>> 
>>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
>>>>>   triumphs at autox.team.net
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>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>    (Sujit Roy)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>>>   <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>> 
>>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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>>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>>>> store.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> JVV
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sujit
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 10:53:38 2026
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:53:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process [and how people
 can confuse things]
In-Reply-To: <5782A709-8644-44B9-830F-8ABCC9F54D9E@gmx.com>
References: <FAC5EB80-5A31-4669-BACD-A2E20850A0CB@gmx.com>
 <963EC917-43AB-4A4D-B85D-792528AA918C@mac.com>
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 9:57?AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably
> promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some
> facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s
> this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor
> Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a
> later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me
> when well-intended people don?t check their facts.
>

Since my retirement from my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug.  The
havoc that well-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.

THere is an organization called Find A Grave. People who have found other
people's mistakes elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG
memorials,  Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat
these errors back into the other databases.

For instance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in
Liverpool of Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband.
Margaret's first husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.
Margaret and Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota
where they lived with their several children including Helen Slattery.
Matthew died on Christmas Eve 1897.  I have found no record that any of
these people ever lived in Michigan.

Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, there have been
many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine Shields in
Michigan.  They had several children, including Helen Slattery.  This
family seems to have stayed in Michigan.

As soon as someone on Ancestry.com (or the like) conflated the two men
named Matthew Slattery, the trouble began.  The tangle of incorrect
associations for not just Matthew Slattery, but for Helen
Slattery, snowballed out of control.  Next thing you know, there was a
conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine Shields.


Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Thu Jan  8 13:10:34 2026
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 13:10:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] free TR3 parts-cars (2)
Message-ID: <f0c35cb9-cfcd-4630-b4de-71db44a7ca1b@porterscustom.com>

A fellow passed leaving a bunch of pretty rough parts/cars and assorted 
parts and tools.. Free for the taking. In Albuquerque Call Bonnie 
505-350-7885

-- 
DBA Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  8 14:07:17 2026
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 21:07:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] Commission plate
In-Reply-To: <005BE629-095D-44A6-9C0E-AB6DEB0EAB75@gmx.com>
References: <005BE629-095D-44A6-9C0E-AB6DEB0EAB75@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <PH0PR15MB568527FC10251EB8F6AD2AF5BE85A@PH0PR15MB5685.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Jon,

I struggled a bit with the 'English' but laughed my arse off while reading it! Thanks for that.

Joel Justin...


-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 7, 2026 2:31 PM
To: oertwig at mac.com
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Commission plate

I?d say that?s definitely ?a Nobby plate?. 
Picture the scene. 
To the background noise of howling compressed air tools, frantic hammering, oaths, a blaring public address system that no one can understand because the announcer in the telephone exchange always sounds as though she?s talking with a clothes peg on her nose - some elderly men are sitting at their workstations, lugubriously stamping blank commission plates. One of them is peering at his block of wood holding his tool steel letter punches.
?Wots yer looking for, Nobby??
?Can?t find me S and C punches. One o? yow thievin? bastard ?as took it an? didn?t even bleed in? ask me before?and.?
Brief silence until the PA system is briefly silent.
?Any of yers got Nobby?s S an C punches? Cmon, someone?s got it ain?t yer??
Peerings take place as operatives study their punch racks. Nobby glares at all of them through his fish eye glasses. Heads shake in denial ?Cmon, yow lot. Yow knows all me punches got a painted red band on ?em so oi knows ?os arse ter kick when oi cums back from ?avin a Jimmy! Ooze got ?em??
Another pause.
?Nob, yer can borra mine if I stands over yer ter make sure yer don?t pinch em and paint em red later?.
?Ta, mate?.
?Ere, Nob, afore yer ?it it, check the yeller side is facin yer. Ven you?ll know yerve got it the right way round so some yank can read it.?
Nobby checks the yellow side is facing him as he hits the punch with his well-worn hammer. Handing the punches back to his colleague, he studies his handiwork.
?Yow niver said nuffink about that S and C bein small. So small, oi can ardly read them buggers. ***k me gently, that?ll niver git past Inspection on Final Finish!?
?Oo ever said anyfink about bein legible? Numbers on the plate ain?t it and the plate?ll soon be riveted on? Too bloody late to moan about anyfink we do ere bein readable. No buggers ever look at em anyways, so don?t you lose lose no sleep about it Nobby my old son! Just let someone else moan about it later on and in anuvver place.?

"
.............Fifty or more years later, someone did actually read that plate and ?worried? about it.

Jonmac





From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Jan  9 09:50:55 2026
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 10:50:55 -0600
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19,
 Issue 6.   Now TR3 Glove Box in ABS Plastic.  AVAILABLE NOW.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1767898802.3303.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1767898802.3303.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4423A996-2079-4F4A-BBB9-F3CDA035F571@cs.com>


I am fabricating glove boxes. I did one for my TR3. Missing for 40 years???

Any interest?  Direct replacement.   US only. Same price as cardboard fiber version.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Alexander Racing Ent.
Website: Gasketinnovations.com
Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


> On Jan 8, 2026, at 1:34?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
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>   1. Re: LOOK. At. THIS. (Frank Fisher)
>   2. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (Frank Fisher)
>   3. Commission plate (John Macartney)
>   4. Re: LOOK. At. THIS. (Paul Dorsey)
>   5. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (bill beecher)
>   6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 2 (j t)
>   7. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (John Macartney)
>   8. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (John Macartney)
>   9. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process [and how
>      people can confuse things] (Philip Ethier)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>,  Paul Dorsey
>    <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
> Message-ID: <1392561942.8386230.1767815697665 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Paul how good to see you emailing again.what did you ever do with your TR?
> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it one time
> 
> Frank Fisher
> 
>    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
> 
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on. Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks) with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
> 
> ?
> 
> Alex Thomson
> 
> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
> 
> ?
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
> Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> 
> ?
> 
> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
> 
> ?
> 
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> 
> ?
> 
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
> 
> ?
> 
> Greg Lemon
> 
> TR250
> 
> ?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
> 
> ?
> 
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> 
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> 
> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> 
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> 
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> 
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> 
> ?
> 
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
> 
> ?
> 
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> 
> ?
> 
> Don
> 
> Santa Fe
> 
> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
> 
> ?
> 
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> 
> ?
> 
> Dave
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> ?
> 
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> 
> ?
> 
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
> 
> ?
> 
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
> 
> ?
> 
> Steve
> 
> ?
> 
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>> ? 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> 
>> ? 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> 
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> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> 
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>> Message: 1
> 
>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> 
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> 
>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> 
>> ??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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>> 
> 
>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
>> 
> 
>> 
> 
>> -------- Original message --------
> 
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> 
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> 
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> 
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
>> 
> 
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> 
>> Bill
> 
>> 
> 
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
> 
>> 
> 
>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
> 
>> ?
> 
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> 
>> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> 
>> wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
>>> Hi Sujit,
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> 
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
> 
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> 
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
> 
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
> 
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> 
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
> 
>>> head gasket issue.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> 
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> 
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
> 
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> 
>>> store.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Hope this helps
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> JVV
> 
>>> ------------------------------
> 
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
> 
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
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>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
> 
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Greg Lemon
>    <grglmn at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> on commision plate rivetsas i no longer work, i have no company account and therefore do not get a trade discount.it looks like its going to be around 10.00 a pair with postage paid to lower 48.will take a couple of weeks to get shiped if you are interseted.if there is enough interest.
> Frank?
>    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 09:44:44 AM PST, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:  
> 
>  give me a few days.i did get a run of original rivits made.ill see if i can have a new run made and how much it may cost.they were quite reasonable as i recall
> Frank
> 
>    On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:48:21 PM PST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.? He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up and riveted the plate on.
> Greg LemonTR250
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,? but it is beautiful?
> 
> -------- Original message --------From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> DonSanta Fe(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> Dave
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> 
> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
> 
> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
> 
> Steve
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>> ??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> 
>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>> Bill
>> 
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>> ?
>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sujit,
>>> 
>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>> 
>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>> head gasket issue.
>>> 
>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>> 
>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>> store.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> JVV
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>> 
>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>> 
>>> Sujit
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Cupertino, California
>>> 
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: oertwig at mac.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Commission plate
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> I?d say that?s definitely ?a Nobby plate?.
> Picture the scene.
> To the background noise of howling compressed air tools, frantic hammering, oaths, a blaring public address system that no one can understand because the announcer in the telephone exchange always sounds as though she?s talking with a clothes peg on her nose - some elderly men are sitting at their workstations, lugubriously stamping blank commission plates. One of them is peering at his block of wood holding his tool steel letter punches.
> ?Wots yer looking for, Nobby??
> ?Can?t find me S and C punches. One o? yow thievin? bastard ?as took it an? didn?t even bleed in? ask me before?and.?
> Brief silence until the PA system is briefly silent.
> ?Any of yers got Nobby?s S an C punches? Cmon, someone?s got it ain?t yer??
> Peerings take place as operatives study their punch racks. Nobby glares at all of them through his fish eye glasses. Heads shake in denial
> ?Cmon, yow lot. Yow knows all me punches got a painted red band on ?em so oi knows ?os arse ter kick when oi cums back from ?avin a Jimmy! Ooze got ?em??
> Another pause.
> ?Nob, yer can borra mine if I stands over yer ter make sure yer don?t pinch em and paint em red later?.
> ?Ta, mate?.
> ?Ere, Nob, afore yer ?it it, check the yeller side is facin yer. Ven you?ll know yerve got it the right way round so some yank can read it.?
> Nobby checks the yellow side is facing him as he hits the punch with his well-worn hammer. Handing the punches back to his colleague, he studies his handiwork.
> ?Yow niver said nuffink about that S and C bein small. So small, oi can ardly read them buggers. ***k me gently, that?ll niver git past Inspection on Final Finish!?
> ?Oo ever said anyfink about bein legible? Numbers on the plate ain?t it and the plate?ll soon be riveted on? Too bloody late to moan about anyfink we do ere bein readable. No buggers ever look at em anyways, so don?t you lose lose no sleep about it Nobby my old son! Just let someone else moan about it later on and in anuvver place.?
> 
> "
> .............Fifty or more years later, someone did actually read that plate and ?worried? about it.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:57:01 -0500
> From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>, Triumph List
>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
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> I sold it. i?m kinda sorry that I did. And good to hear from you Frank I am
> no longer able to do anything outside my head injured was getting too bad
> thanks.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 2:54?PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Paul how good to see you emailing again.
>> what did you ever do with your TR?
>> 
>> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive it
>> one time
>> 
>> 
>> Frank Fisher
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <
>> dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
>> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
>> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
>> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
>> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
>> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
>> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you
>> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure
>> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alex Thomson
>> 
>> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
>> Lemon
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
>> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
>> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
>> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
>> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.
>> He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet
>> metal screws.  He reused the original screws.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even
>> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
>> screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
>> and riveted the plate on.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greg Lemon
>> 
>> TR250
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
>> restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,
>> but it is beautiful
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> 
>> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>> 
>> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> 
>> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>> 
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
>> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> Santa Fe
>> 
>> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
>> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
>> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
>> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one
>> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is
>> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
>> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
>> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
>> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
>> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
>> after lunch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
>> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
>> plates and body numbers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>>>     (Sujit Roy)
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>>> Message: 1
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>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> 
>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
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>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>> 
>>> 
>> 
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>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>> 
>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> 
>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the
>> ?3? will be wrong.
>> 
>>> Bill
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> ?
>> 
>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>> 
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>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
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>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> 
>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
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>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>> 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> 
>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
>> change.
>> 
>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> 
>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
>> the
>> 
>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
>> when
>> 
>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> 
>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
>> of a
>> 
>>>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> 
>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> 
>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> 
>>>> <
>> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> 
>>>> store.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Hope this helps
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> JVV
>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>> 
>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
>> Roy
>> 
>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> 
>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> 
>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> 
>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Sujit
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> --
>> 
>>>> Sujit Roy
>> 
>>>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> --
>> 
>>> Sujit Roy
>> 
>>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>>> 
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:31:41 -0600
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> To: Macartney John <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> Cc: Oertwig Stephen <oertwig at mac.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> Message-ID: <2A686411-203E-459A-AC9D-923D68D8BB5E at yahoo.com>
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> 
> John,
> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> 
> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>> 
>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>> 
>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
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>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>   (Sujit Roy)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>> 
>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>> 
>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> 
>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>> 
>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>> 
>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>> 
>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>> 
>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>> store.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this helps
>>>> 
>>>> JVV
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>> 
>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>> 
>>>> Sujit
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>> 
>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 04:39:28 +0000
> From: j t <jat1127 at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 2
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> Listers,
> Regarding head gasket leaks. Now that a huge percentage of cars are ob2
> complaint there must be thousands of older exhaust/tailpipe sniffers laying dormant. The same sniffers can also be used to sniff a radiator!
> Tomorrow I will ask a couple of local shops. The was a unit made by Hamilton Standard that worked well.
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
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> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> 
> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
> Bill
> 
> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> 
> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sujit,
>> 
>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>> 
>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>> head gasket issue.
>> 
>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>> Made in USA : Automotive
>> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FBlock-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak%2Fdp%2FB06VVBSFTF%2Fref%3Dsr_1_3%3Fcrid%3DB5BELSHHE2V2%26dib%3DeyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo%26dib_tag%3Dse%26keywords%3Dcombustion%2Bgas%2Btester%2Bfor%2Bcoolant%26qid%3D1767361665%26sprefix%3DCombustion%2Bgas%2B%252Caps%252C3537%26sr%3D8-3&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cb95c5582e7564ca852df08de4bd33f09%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639031567834836948%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FBsQmZ7jGVHOyM7Iwv3Y%2BQ9G%2FmzsL4tLK%2BpKB6StJH8%3D&reserved=0<https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-L
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>> 
>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>> store.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> JVV
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>> 
>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>> 
>> Sujit
>> 
>> --
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>> Cupertino, California
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 10:39:53 +0000
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Oertwig Stephen <oertwig at mac.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.
> 
> JM
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
>> Bill
>> 
>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>> 
>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>> 
>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>>> 
>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>> 
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>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>   (Sujit Roy)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>>  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>> 
>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com>
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>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>> 
>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>>> store.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>> 
>>>>> JVV
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>> 
>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sujit
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 15:49:47 +0000
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
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> Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me when well-intended people don?t check their facts. Exactly the same situation applies when other enthusiasts for Jaguar and MG do the same thing.
> 
> Cheers, Jonmac
> 
>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 15:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear John,
>> 
>> Again, a piece of history people need to know. Shows the gratitude Sir John Black had for those who served. This story should be told when we honor his legacy Feb. 10.
>> 
>> V/R
>> Steve
>> 
>>>> On Jan 8, 2026, at 4:40?AM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> He did. Mostly they were former prewar employees who were guaranteed a job at Standard Motor Co if they survived the war. Black also instructed Personnel Dept that whatever job they were offered that their salaries were to be at the very summit for that job grade plus 15% - in perpetuity until they either retired or died in service. I based the conversation of yesterday on two of those men who did that job. Both had serious war wounds but indomitable spirits and humour.
>>> 
>>> JM
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Jan 2026, at 04:31, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> John,
>>>> Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.  
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday. Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to go on strike.
>>>> Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
>>>> 
>>>> Jonmac
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri. It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details. Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe after lunch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission plates and body numbers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>  triumphs at autox.team.net
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>>>>>>  http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs
>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>  triumphs-request at autox.team.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>  triumphs-owner at autox.team.net
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
>>>>>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>>   (Sujit Roy)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
>>>>>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>>>>>>  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>>>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
>>>>>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course, the ?3? will be wrong.
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
>>>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>>>>>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
>>>>>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>>  <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Sujit,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
>>>>>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color change.
>>>>>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
>>>>>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running the
>>>>>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If when
>>>>>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
>>>>>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication of a
>>>>>>> head gasket issue.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
>>>>>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
>>>>>>> Made in USA : Automotive
>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
>>>>>>> store.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hope this helps
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> JVV
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit Roy
>>>>>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test my
>>>>>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sujit
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Sujit Roy
>>>>>>> Cupertino, California
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Cupertino, California
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> Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2026 11:53:38 -0600
> From: Philip Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com>
> To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> Cc: Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>, Triumphs
>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process [and how
>    people can confuse things]
> Message-ID:
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> On Thu, Jan 8, 2026 at 9:57?AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Please do. I?ve noticed in the past that the person who commendably
>> promotes Drive Your Triumph Day each February, has unknowingly got some
>> facts about Black (which I now can?t recall) rather back to front. It?s
>> this sort of thing that misleads people who really do value Standard Motor
>> Company history and it?s hellishly difficult to correct these errors at a
>> later date. Maybe I?m being unnecessarily pedantic but it still grieves me
>> when well-intended people don?t check their facts.
>> 
> 
> Since my retirement from my day job, I have gotten the genealogy bug.  The
> havoc that well-meaning dabblers can cause on the Internet is amazing.
> 
> THere is an organization called Find A Grave. People who have found other
> people's mistakes elsewhere take these untruths and put them on FG
> memorials,  Then other folks think that FG is a credible source and repeat
> these errors back into the other databases.
> 
> For instance, my late wife was descended from Margaret Gavin (born in
> Liverpool of Irish parents) and Angus Weatherhead, her 2nd husband.
> Margaret's first husband was Matthew Slattery, reportedly born in Ireland.
> Margaret and Matthew were married in Wisconsin, then moved to Minnesota
> where they lived with their several children including Helen Slattery.
> Matthew died on Christmas Eve 1897.  I have found no record that any of
> these people ever lived in Michigan.
> 
> Meanwhile there was another Matthew Slattery. Of course, there have been
> many people named Mattew Slattery!. THIS one married Caherine Shields in
> Michigan.  They had several children, including Helen Slattery.  This
> family seems to have stayed in Michigan.
> 
> As soon as someone on Ancestry.com (or the like) conflated the two men
> named Matthew Slattery, the trouble began.  The tangle of incorrect
> associations for not just Matthew Slattery, but for Helen
> Slattery, snowballed out of control.  Next thing you know, there was a
> conflation of Margaret Gavin and Catherine Shields.
> 
> 
> Phil Ethier, West Side, Saint Paul Minnesota, USA
> 2006 Gulf Stream Conquest Super C, 8.1, white
> 2011 Cayman 2.9 PDK, white
> 2021 Ford F-150 3500cc twin turbo, white
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 10:12:39 2026
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 12:12:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19,
 Issue 6. Now TR3 Glove Box in ABS Plastic. AVAILABLE NOW.
In-Reply-To: <4423A996-2079-4F4A-BBB9-F3CDA035F571@cs.com>
References: <mailman.3.1767898802.3303.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <4423A996-2079-4F4A-BBB9-F3CDA035F571@cs.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwj3eRFVJkDzwc376XB-0rJxug+4G9WFsXwN7WSVv3GGtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Joe ~

Haven?t seen your name on the list for quite awhile?. ? Cubby door
retainers are also a need. The ones currently offered don?t seem to stand
up to use?

Dave

On Fri, Jan 9, 2026 at 11:56?AM JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com> wrote:

>
> I am fabricating glove boxes. I did one for my TR3. Missing for 40
> years???
>
> Any interest?  Direct replacement.   US only. Same price as cardboard
> fiber version.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Joe Alexander
> 4505 Donald Dr
> Cedar Falls, IA 50613
> Alexander Racing Ent.
> Website: Gasketinnovations.com
> Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
> Cell:  319.464.4711
>
>
> > On Jan 8, 2026, at 1:34?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >
> > ?Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
> >    triumphs at autox.team.net
> >
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> >    http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs
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> >    triumphs-request at autox.team.net
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> > You can reach the person managing the list at
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> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: LOOK. At. THIS. (Frank Fisher)
> >   2. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (Frank Fisher)
> >   3. Commission plate (John Macartney)
> >   4. Re: LOOK. At. THIS. (Paul Dorsey)
> >   5. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (bill beecher)
> >   6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 2 (j t)
> >   7. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (John Macartney)
> >   8. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process (John Macartney)
> >   9. Re: Redoing the whole commission plate process [and how
> >      people can confuse things] (Philip Ethier)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 19:54:57 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>,  Paul Dorsey
> >    <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> > Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
> > Message-ID: <1392561942.8386230.1767815697665 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Paul how good to see you emailing again.what did you ever do with your
> TR?
> > and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive
> it one time
> >
> > Frank Fisher
> >
> >    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <
> dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <
> aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless you
> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to figure
> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Alex Thomson
> >
> > '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
> >
> > ?
> >
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
> > To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.?
> He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet
> metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even
> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
> screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
> and riveted the plate on.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Greg Lemon
> >
> > TR250
> >
> > ?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,?
> but it is beautiful?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> >
> > From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> >
> > Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >
> > To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> >
> > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
> >
> > ?
> >
> >
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Don
> >
> > Santa Fe
> >
> > (TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
> >
> > ?
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a
> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly
> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> >
> > ?
> >
> > I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original
> one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri.
> It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on
> other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
> >
> > ?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ?
> >
> >>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
> >
> >> ??? triumphs at autox.team.net
> >
> >>
> >
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> >
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> >
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >
> >> ??? triumphs-request at autox.team.net
> >
> >>
> >
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >
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> >
> >>
> >
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >
> >> than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Today's Topics:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ? 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> >
> >> ? 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >
> >> ? ? ? (Sujit Roy)
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Message: 1
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> >
> >> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >
> >> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >
> >> ??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >
> >> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> >
> >>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >
> >> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> >
> >> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >
> >> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course,
> the ?3? will be wrong.
> >
> >> Bill
> >
> >>
> >
> >> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >
> >> ?
> >
> >> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
> >
> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> >>
> >
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> >
> >> Message: 2
> >
> >> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> >
> >> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >
> >> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >
> >> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >
> >> Message-ID:
> >
> >> ??? <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> >
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >
> >> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >>> Hi Sujit,
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> >
> >>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> change.
> >
> >>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> >
> >>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> the
> >
> >>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> when
> >
> >>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> >
> >>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> of a
> >
> >>> head gasket issue.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> >
> >>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> >
> >>> Made in USA : Automotive
> >
> >>> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> >
> >>> store.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Hope this helps
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> JVV
> >
> >>> ------------------------------
> >
> >>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> Roy
> >
> >>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> >
> >>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >
> >>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test
> my
> >
> >>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Sujit
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> --
> >
> >>> Sujit Roy
> >
> >>> Cupertino, California
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>
> >
> >> --
> >
> >> Sujit Roy
> >
> >> Cupertino, California
> >
> >>
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:31:57 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Greg Lemon
> >    <grglmn at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> > Message-ID: <622223094.8425608.1767817917213 at mail.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > on commision plate rivetsas i no longer work, i have no company account
> and therefore do not get a trade discount.it looks like its going to be
> around 10.00 a pair with postage paid to lower 48.will take a couple of
> weeks to get shiped if you are interseted.if there is enough interest.
> > Frank?
> >    On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 09:44:44 AM PST, Frank Fisher <
> yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >  give me a few days.i did get a run of original rivits made.ill see if i
> can have a new run made and how much it may cost.they were quite reasonable
> as i recall
> > Frank
> >
> >    On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 10:48:21 PM PST, Greg Lemon <
> grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left is
> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye Sprite.?
> He reused the original plate.? The original plate is secured with sheet
> metal screws.? He reused the original screws.
> > Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.? He even
> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
> screws.? So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> > I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
> and riveted the plate on.
> > Greg LemonTR250
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> > I get that.? ?IMHO,? a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> restoration.? An original plate,? although original,? does not.
> > I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.? ?No, it's not original,?
> but it is beautiful?
> >
> > -------- Original message --------From: Don Hiscock <
> don.hiscock at gmail.com> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00) To: DAVID MASSEY <
> dave1massey at cs.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate
> process
> > I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.? :)
> >
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> > DonSanta Fe(TR3B TSF202L with original commission?plate)
> > On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about the rivets.? The inspecting officer won't have a
> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.? And having a perfectly
> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original
> one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri.
> It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on
> other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> >
> > Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
> >
> > Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
> >
> > Steve
> >
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> >> ? 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> >> ? 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >> ? ? ? (Sujit Roy)
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> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> >> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >> ??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
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> >> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >>
> >> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.? Of course,
> the ?3? will be wrong.
> >> Bill
> >>
> >> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?? H. Ford
> >>
> >> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?
> >> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
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> >> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> >> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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> >> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Sujit,
> >>>
> >>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> >>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> change.
> >>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> >>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> >>>
> >>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> the
> >>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> when
> >>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> >>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> of a
> >>> head gasket issue.
> >>>
> >>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> >>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> >>> Made in USA : Automotive
> >>> <
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >
> >>>
> >>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> >>> store.
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps
> >>>
> >>> JVV
> >>> ------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> Roy
> >>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> >>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>>
> >>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test
> my
> >>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
> >>>
> >>> Sujit
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sujit Roy
> >>> Cupertino, California
> >>>
> >>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> --
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> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:30:43 +0000
> > From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> > To: oertwig at mac.com
> > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] Commission plate
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> > I?d say that?s definitely ?a Nobby plate?.
> > Picture the scene.
> > To the background noise of howling compressed air tools, frantic
> hammering, oaths, a blaring public address system that no one can
> understand because the announcer in the telephone exchange always sounds as
> though she?s talking with a clothes peg on her nose - some elderly men are
> sitting at their workstations, lugubriously stamping blank commission
> plates. One of them is peering at his block of wood holding his tool steel
> letter punches.
> > ?Wots yer looking for, Nobby??
> > ?Can?t find me S and C punches. One o? yow thievin? bastard ?as took it
> an? didn?t even bleed in? ask me before?and.?
> > Brief silence until the PA system is briefly silent.
> > ?Any of yers got Nobby?s S an C punches? Cmon, someone?s got it ain?t
> yer??
> > Peerings take place as operatives study their punch racks. Nobby glares
> at all of them through his fish eye glasses. Heads shake in denial
> > ?Cmon, yow lot. Yow knows all me punches got a painted red band on ?em
> so oi knows ?os arse ter kick when oi cums back from ?avin a Jimmy! Ooze
> got ?em??
> > Another pause.
> > ?Nob, yer can borra mine if I stands over yer ter make sure yer don?t
> pinch em and paint em red later?.
> > ?Ta, mate?.
> > ?Ere, Nob, afore yer ?it it, check the yeller side is facin yer. Ven
> you?ll know yerve got it the right way round so some yank can read it.?
> > Nobby checks the yellow side is facing him as he hits the punch with his
> well-worn hammer. Handing the punches back to his colleague, he studies his
> handiwork.
> > ?Yow niver said nuffink about that S and C bein small. So small, oi can
> ardly read them buggers. ***k me gently, that?ll niver git past Inspection
> on Final Finish!?
> > ?Oo ever said anyfink about bein legible? Numbers on the plate ain?t it
> and the plate?ll soon be riveted on? Too bloody late to moan about anyfink
> we do ere bein readable. No buggers ever look at em anyways, so don?t you
> lose lose no sleep about it Nobby my old son! Just let someone else moan
> about it later on and in anuvver place.?
> >
> > "
> > .............Fifty or more years later, someone did actually read that
> plate and ?worried? about it.
> >
> > Jonmac
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 20:57:01 -0500
> > From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> > To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>, Triumph List
> >    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] LOOK. At. THIS.
> > Message-ID:
> >    <CAFU8DPvstU1bwWqd4TT+_WxbtHnC2musog9t-n0Ud8T=qKn-DQ at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I sold it. i?m kinda sorry that I did. And good to hear from you Frank I
> am
> > no longer able to do anything outside my head injured was getting too bad
> > thanks.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2026 at 2:54?PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Paul how good to see you emailing again.
> >> what did you ever do with your TR?
> >>
> >> and im not sure i like the volvo as modified, but id sure like to drive
> it
> >> one time
> >>
> >>
> >> Frank Fisher
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, January 6, 2026 at 01:04:42 PM PST, Paul Dorsey <
> >> dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> https://www.facebook.com/share/19ytP2WKwo/
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2026 at 8:22?AM Alex&Janet Thomson <
> aljlthomson at charter.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> That reminds me of International Loadstar series trucks in the early
> >> sixties. The serial number plate was screwed to the driver's door and
> >> sometimes the GVW space was left blank. You may say that wasn't a very
> >> secure or permanent location but the serial number was also stamped onto
> >> the left frame rail, just below where the steering box was bolted on.
> >> Internationals were real component trucks (like most medium duty trucks)
> >> with just about everything sourced from outside manufacturers. Unless
> you
> >> had a copy of the line settting ticket, it could be a challenge to
> figure
> >> out what parts to select when doing a major repair.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alex Thomson
> >>
> >> '73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
> >> Lemon
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 6, 2026 1:36 AM
> >> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't have real strong feeling one way or the other on re-doing or
> >> re-using a commission plate, but the mention of the DMV not caring about
> >> the rivets reminded me of a story (I am getting old, so all I have left
> is
> >> my stories). My brother restored a one owner very original Bugeye
> Sprite.
> >> He reused the original plate.  The original plate is secured with sheet
> >> metal screws.  He reused the original screws.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Anyway, DMV didn't like the screws, said it had to be riveted.  He even
> >> brought the "Complete Original" book, which showed and mentioned the
> >> screws.  So the car with original parts is rejected at title inspection.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I don't remember how it ended, but I think my pragmatic brother gave up
> >> and riveted the plate on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Greg Lemon
> >>
> >> TR250
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026, 11:40?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I get that.   IMHO,  a beautiful plate complements a gorgeous
> >> restoration.  An original plate,  although original,  does not.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm going to have my new plate laser engraved.   No, it's not original,
> >> but it is beautiful
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >>
> >> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Date: 1/5/26 7:52 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>
> >> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> >>
> >> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com>
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm with Dave -- there's no shame, or substitute, for an original
> >> commission number plate irrespective of condition or attachment.  :)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-SqWXG5Z/0/Nf7ZNSGg9vnb6B5GkBgNJVpXPjB8TssRwFgXW4qzn/X5/i-SqWXG5Z-X5.jpg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Don
> >>
> >> Santa Fe
> >>
> >> (TR3B TSF202L with original commission plate)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2026 at 6:15?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I wouldn't worry about the rivets.  The inspecting officer won't have a
> >> clue as to what rivets are supposed to be there.  And having a perfectly
> >> done commission plate constitutes over-restoration.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Monday, January 5, 2026 at 07:59:17 AM CST, Stephen Oertwig <
> >> oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original
> one
> >> so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri.
> It is
> >> a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on other
> >> 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> >> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> >> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping
> details.
> >> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> >> after lunch.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> >> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> >> plates and body numbers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
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> >>
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> >>> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> >>
> >>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>
> >>>     (Sujit Roy)
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>
> >>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> >>
> >>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >>
> >>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >>
> >>>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >>
> >>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
> >>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>
> >>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> >>
> >>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>
> >>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course,
> the
> >> ?3? will be wrong.
> >>
> >>> Bill
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> ?
> >>
> >>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
> >>
> >>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>
> >>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> >>
> >>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>
> >>> Message-ID:
> >>
> >>>    <CANLCLaFpcQwtS2hf5x8YWBbs8DMCJVyo4V3ORj-LAOJwwG2BGw at mail.gmail.com
> >
> >>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> Thanks, I'll check them out.
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2026 at 5:53?AM Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>>> Hi Sujit,
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> I have experience with these type kits and they all work basically the
> >>
> >>>> same by pulling gases up thru testing fluid and looking for a color
> >> change.
> >>
> >>>> The multiple test claims relate to the amount of fluid in the kit. You
> >>
> >>>> don't need to use much fluid for each test.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> Having said this you can also look for a blown head gasket by running
> >> the
> >>
> >>>> car at idle with the radiator cap off until the thermostat opens. If
> >> when
> >>
> >>>> it opens you only observe coolant flowing you're good. If coolant gets
> >>
> >>>> blown out of the radiator instead of flowing that's a good indication
> >> of a
> >>
> >>>> head gasket issue.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> I personally like the kits with the tube and rubber bulb like this one
> >>
> >>>> Amazon.com: Block Tester BT-500 Head Gasket Combustion Leak Test Kit -
> >>
> >>>> Made in USA : Automotive
> >>
> >>>> <
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/Block-Tester-BT-500-Combustion-Leak/dp/B06VVBSFTF/ref=sr_1_3?crid=B5BELSHHE2V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1SS7r-3wwU3Nafy7CtM28Iyi1UFhNYzuKm6VozhuZB6JmphoiObY7ydUAVFRDJojItaOxcsoWSJOvF8VBksGnRIxMIY8JVoJ92Yz3lzAb3CxD4OwrAmEZEhMSthI5Fm5zY-HNM03FtUtQ3dlNeZniiIaxbMX-RhJaMXo76JKRKe0AW4xxTjRscAG_XLxI3CAFfugOzofA4g-QoKmlQ79-sAGUEaRvYde6fnFW1zmzhM.by9KSQykThDUhsy3KNVjbccVNlPYLqEa5Qd-tQDGSlo&dib_tag=se&keywords=combustion+gas+tester+for+coolant&qid=1767361665&sprefix=Combustion+gas+%2Caps%2C3537&sr=8-3
> >>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> You might be able to purchase a similar kit from your local auto parts
> >>
> >>>> store.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> Hope this helps
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> JVV
> >>
> >>>> ------------------------------
> >>
> >>>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Sujit
> >> Roy
> >>
> >>>> <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >>
> >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2026 7:10 PM
> >>
> >>>> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>
> >>>> *Subject:* [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> I see kits on Amazon priced anywhere from 20$ up. I dont plan to test
> my
> >>
> >>>> engine 50-100 times. What is a good inexpensive kit folks like to use.
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> Sujit
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> --
> >>
> >>>> Sujit Roy
> >>
> >>>> Cupertino, California
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>>
> >>
> >>> --
> >>
> >>> Sujit Roy
> >>
> >>> Cupertino, California
> >>
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> >>
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 22:31:41 -0600
> > From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> > To: Macartney John <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> > Cc: Oertwig Stephen <oertwig at mac.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Redoing the whole commission plate process
> > Message-ID: <2A686411-203E-459A-AC9D-923D68D8BB5E at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > John,
> > Din?t Sir Black hire some army vets to bang out the commission plates.
> > Bill
> >
> > ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> >
> > On Jan 5, 2026, at 8:33?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Nah. We none of us worked that fast! Okay, commission build on a
> Tuesday but don?t expect anything to appear until eight weeks come Friday.
> Even then, count yer self lucky ?cos you ain?t given us an opportunity to
> go on strike.
> > Funny sized letters and numbers? Sounds like Nobby with his fisheye
> glasses and two left boots is back in circulation again.
> >
> > Jonmac
> >
> >> On 5 Jan 2026, at 02:04, Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I need to redo plate on 1967 2000 estate. At least attach the original
> one so sheriff can validate the VIN to get the estate titled in Missouri.
> It is a long process. I have been studying the different rivets used on
> other 2000s so the plate looks similar.
> >>
> >> Then need to find new 2000 plate. The original commission plate has
> numbers of different sizes. Sure it is because each worker was given one
> stamp of different sizes so there was no consistency in stamping details.
> Thought maybe it was a Friday car; was commissioned on a Tuesday. Maybe
> after lunch.
> >>
> >> Would be hard to find a laser engraver out here in country. Not sure I
> would like something that perfect after seeing all the other commission
> plates and body numbers.
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>>> On Jan 4, 2026, at 1:00?PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
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> >>>
> >>> 1. Re: new commission plate and stamping (dave northrup)
> >>> 2. Re: Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
> >>>   (Sujit Roy)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>> Message: 1
> >>> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2026 02:46:28 +0000
> >>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >>> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >>>  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >>> Message-ID: <1a67faca0d794e059a26647c9f884936 at ranteer.com>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>>
> >>> I was told that there are now laser "engravers" who can do this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> >>> Date: 1/3/26 4:55 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] new commission plate and stamping
> >>>
> >>> Used to be able to get the stamp sets at Harbor Freight.  Of course,
> the ?3? will be wrong.
> >>> Bill
> >>>
> >>> ?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 6, 2025, at 3:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>> Who is the go to person for a 58 TR3a?
> >>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >>>
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> >>> Message: 2
> >>> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2026 21:26:32 -0800
> >>> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> >>> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: [TR] Head Gasket Combustion Leak test kit recommendations
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Fri Jan  9 13:15:38 2026
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:15:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Now TR3 Glove Box in ABS Plastic. AVAILABLE NOW. (JOSEPH
 ALEXANDER)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1767985202.17002.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1767985202.17002.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <b5e73dc0a8e9925932865062a290c635@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for making us aware that the glovebox is now available in ABS.

IIRC, Moss carries some of your other products. Will Moss be carrying your
ABS glovebox?

Since I'm in Canada and you are only selling in the USA I could buy
through Moss.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 10:50:55 -0600
>From: JOSEPH ALEXANDER <n197tr4 at cs.com>
>Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6.   Now TR3 Glove
>	Box in ABS Plastic.  AVAILABLE NOW.
>
>I am fabricating glove boxes. I did one for my TR3. Missing for 40
years???
>
>Any interest?  Direct replacement.   US only. Same price as cardboard
fiber version.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Joe Alexander
>4505 Donald Dr
>Cedar Falls, IA 50613
>Alexander Racing Ent.
>Website: Gasketinnovations.com
>Email: N197tr4 at cs.com
>Cell:  319.464.4711

From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:19:17 2026
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:19:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
Message-ID: <CADy_YYqY5YQksEO7vtwJS7c+CCzz+z2Ms-TVJnLRN9dL6nRy-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Listers, Please, please, please refrain from replying to the digest or
repeating entire digests in your replies.  Please reply to /include only
the the specific thread to which you wish to reply.  Once again the list
has become almost impossible to decipher recently.

Thank you,
Bill Smith
'72 TR6
'80 TR7
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Jan  9 14:08:39 2026
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 21:08:39 +0000
Subject: [TR] Commission plate (and then no more)
Message-ID: <780ACFE2-86D5-44B6-B4CE-D39FF6ABB400@gmx.com>

I?ve had one or two off-list queries seeking clarification of ??avin a Jimmy?.
It?s Cockney rhyming slang that was commonplace in our armed services in which the second (unspoken) word rhymes with the actual explaining word. In Cockney you only use the first word to convey the point. For the cognoscenti among us, a Jimmy Riddle means having a piddle, or ?taking a leak?.
Similarly, ?climbing? me apples at ?ome? is ?apples and pears? = stairs - and far too many others of that ilk.
If any of you should ever be in London, every taxi driver knows of a pub near the former docks in the East End called The Prospect of Whitby. It?s been there for decades and was where all the former dock workers would go at any time of the day or night. It?s a tough place, though perfectly safe and you truly won?t get yourself knifed or shot at because knives and guns here are heavily policed and neither is available to buy anywhere. Last time I was there, I saw a sign over the beer-soaked bar top that said, 
?DONT DROP YOUR OILIES ON THE RORY!!! In true Cockney the full saying would be ?Don?t drop your oily rags on the Rory O?Moore? in which rags means fags (our term for cigarettes) while O?Moore rhymes with floor - I.e. no cigarette butts on the floor. Many are curious how this patois evolved over the years and for me, the most credible explanation is this. The now former large jail in London was called Newgate and in the 18th and 19th centuries, many dockers and other ne?er-do-wells created this second language so prisoners due for hanging or long term incarceration would talk this slang to confuse their guards.
To get back on Triumph topic, most of you will be pleased to know the cars you own, drive and enjoy we?re known by all at all the Coventry factories as ?cackers?. If you write with your left hand (like me) you?re described as ?cack-handed? - ergo all left hand steer cars soon became described as cackers.
I can think of a few other Cockney terms to describe this bloody iPad crap I?ve been given some years back! I?ve turned off predictive texting but it?s clear the good people at Apple still want to correct what I write in British English, while the junk from Samsung I used to use got thrown at a brick wall in a blind fury for the same reason.
Anyone do tablets running Linux or BSD that do as instructed without demur?

Jonmac

> On 9 Jan 2026, at 19:00, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
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> than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. free TR3 parts-cars (2) (David P)
>   2. Re: Commission plate (Joel Justin)
>   3. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6.   Now TR3 Glove Box in
>      ABS Plastic.  AVAILABLE NOW. (JOSEPH ALEXANDER)
>   4. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 6. Now TR3 Glove Box in
>      ABS Plastic. AVAILABLE NOW. (David Friedlander)
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From artfournier4 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 12:39:26 2026
From: artfournier4 at gmail.com (Arthur Fournier)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 14:39:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
Message-ID: <CAF2RLw5EPMfXD1t1=k0cmv3NELuw+UW3XjWtEZ=s1VV99WJAFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hear, hear!  Whenever I see one of the repeated digest responses, I delete
the whole thing rather than try to find the pertinent part.

Art Fournier
1980 TR8
1976 Spitfire

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: William Smith <smithwm845 at gmail.com>
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2026 15:19:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
Listers, Please, please, please refrain from replying to the digest or
repeating entire digests in your replies.  Please reply to /include only
the the specific thread to which you wish to reply.  Once again the list
has become almost impossible to decipher recently.

Thank you,
Bill Smith
'72 TR6
'80 TR7
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sat Jan 10 13:58:36 2026
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 15:58:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1768071603.7985.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1768071603.7985.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4d5335a70e94571605db685b0f4bc093@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for sending out this plea, Bill.

Recently the digest has been almost unreadable because so few have been
editing their replies.

Much appreciated.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>From: William Smith <smithwm845 at gmail.com>
>To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [TR] Replies to List
>
>Listers, Please, please, please refrain from replying to the digest or
repeating entire digests in your replies.  Please reply to /include only
the the specific thread to which you wish to reply.  Once again the list
has become almost impossible to >decipher recently.
>
>Thank you,
>Bill Smith
>'72 TR6
>'80 TR7

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jan 10 15:59:51 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 15:59:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
In-Reply-To: <CADy_YYqY5YQksEO7vtwJS7c+CCzz+z2Ms-TVJnLRN9dL6nRy-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADy_YYqY5YQksEO7vtwJS7c+CCzz+z2Ms-TVJnLRN9dL6nRy-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eb769181-1acd-43ba-a06b-0b102e1bff90@bradakis.com>

On 1/9/26 1:19 PM, William Smith wrote:
> Listers, Please, please, please refrain from replying to the digest or 
> repeating entire digests in your replies.? Please reply to /include only 
> the the specific thread to which you wish to reply.? Once again the list 
> has become almost impossible to decipher recently.

In my experience, your words of wisdom are falling on deaf ears.  Years 
ago I tried various times to try and get people to edit their replies. 
Back 20 - 30 years ago people had smaller quotas on their mailboxes.  I 
spent a lot of time removing addresses from various lists because the 
mail bounced back because the user was over quota.  Especially AOL 
addresses, they were the worst.  One time I actually did some math and 
found that something like 28% of the email errors I was dealing with 
came from the 8% of list subscribers with .aol addresses.

But all to no avail.  People will not take the time and minimal effort 
to edit their replies.  That's the way it is, and we all have to suffer 
from their laziness or incompetence or whatever reason they don't bother 
editing replies.  Just click the button, who cares about what a mess it 
makes.

mjb, the disgruntled curmudgeon.




From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jan 10 18:44:51 2026
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2026 19:44:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
In-Reply-To: <eb769181-1acd-43ba-a06b-0b102e1bff90@bradakis.com>
References: <CADy_YYqY5YQksEO7vtwJS7c+CCzz+z2Ms-TVJnLRN9dL6nRy-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <eb769181-1acd-43ba-a06b-0b102e1bff90@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aa_KA-yqmNK79rBf5NfsUD8hWP3cbU9FCYAGdTsn_x=jQ@mail.gmail.com>

So when I reply to an email in Gmail on my phone, which is the world I and
probably a lot of people who use the list are operating in, I see a blank
page to enter my note and three little dots below, that is it.  I know I
can click on the three little dots and see what they contain, but once
again, on my phone I see the next email if it is short, unless I scroll
down.   In 90 some percent of the emails I send out I have no reason to
further explore the three dots, or scroll down further, hard habit to
break.  Just don't think about it.  Realize you are trying to remind us to
think about it, but I think you have an uphill, losing battle.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Jan 10, 2026, 5:01?PM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 1/9/26 1:19 PM, William Smith wrote:
> > Listers, Please, please, please refrain from replying to the digest or
> > repeating entire digests in your replies.  Please reply to /include only
> > the the specific thread to which you wish to reply.  Once again the list
> > has become almost impossible to decipher recently.
>
> In my experience, your words of wisdom are falling on deaf ears.  Years
> ago I tried various times to try and get people to edit their replies.
> Back 20 - 30 years ago people had smaller quotas on their mailboxes.  I
> spent a lot of time removing addresses from various lists because the
> mail bounced back because the user was over quota.  Especially AOL
> addresses, they were the worst.  One time I actually did some math and
> found that something like 28% of the email errors I was dealing with
> came from the 8% of list subscribers with .aol addresses.
>
> But all to no avail.  People will not take the time and minimal effort
> to edit their replies.  That's the way it is, and we all have to suffer
> from their laziness or incompetence or whatever reason they don't bother
> editing replies.  Just click the button, who cares about what a mess it
> makes.
>
> mjb, the disgruntled curmudgeon.
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Jan 11 19:20:10 2026
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2026 21:20:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replies to List
In-Reply-To: <eb769181-1acd-43ba-a06b-0b102e1bff90@bradakis.com>
References: <CADy_YYqY5YQksEO7vtwJS7c+CCzz+z2Ms-TVJnLRN9dL6nRy-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <eb769181-1acd-43ba-a06b-0b102e1bff90@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <025401dc8369$fa76d9d0$ef648d70$@bell.net>


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
Sent: January 10, 2026 6:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Replies to List


In my experience, your words of wisdom are falling on deaf ears.  Years ago I tried various times to try and get people to edit their replies. 
Back 20 - 30 years ago people had smaller quotas on their mailboxes.  I spent a lot of time removing addresses from various lists because the mail bounced back because the user was over quota.  Especially AOL addresses, they were the worst.  One time I actually did some math and found that something like 28% of the email errors I was dealing with came from the 8% of list subscribers with .aol addresses.

But all to no avail.  People will not take the time and minimal effort to edit their replies.  That's the way it is, and we all have to suffer from their laziness or incompetence or whatever reason they don't bother editing replies.  Just click the button, who cares about what a mess it makes.

mjb, the disgruntled curmudgeon.

++++++++++
Call us lazy, call us incompetent, but sometimes in our zeal to assist another TR colleague, we just may not notice. None of us intentionally want to tick off our fellow listers. Maybe a kind word to the offender would be more useful in the long run.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net
World of Triumph https://keith-stewart.ca/ 
 





From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 14:31:42 2026
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:31:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] this is a test
Message-ID: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>

This is a test to see if you can post jpegs to the Triumph list

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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jan 13 15:20:06 2026
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 15:20:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] this is a test
In-Reply-To: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
References: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c9e403a-e93b-4be3-ba27-83c925925a02@bradakis.com>

On 1/13/26 2:31 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> This is a test to see if you can post jpegs to the Triumph list

Yes.  One has been able to attach photos of various sorts to the list 
for, oh, 15, 20 years now.

mjb.


From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Jan 13 15:29:36 2026
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 17:29:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] this is a test
In-Reply-To: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
References: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012501dc84dc$1950ceb0$4bf26c10$@charter.net>

It certainly works at our end! What a picture!

Thanks.

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6 and lots of farm equipment.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2026 4:32 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] this is a test

 

This is a test to see if you can post jpegs to the Triumph list



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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 15:35:29 2026
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 16:35:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] this is a test
In-Reply-To: <1c9e403a-e93b-4be3-ba27-83c925925a02@bradakis.com>
References: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFtw3aY4q5U_eJVnAFh1AK_3mrTLVS1DwvuBS5v9fJbzJMBXsg@mail.gmail.com>

I remember when the photo feature was added, seems like only
yesterday....anyway was quite a big deal and many were pretty excited at
the time.

Greg Lemon
Triumph TR250

Prior emails deleted per instructions, does the attachment come through
multiple times?  I don't see it attached or displayed to what I am sending
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 13 16:45:05 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 23:45:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] 58 TR3a doors
Message-ID: <2f97680b49bc4d9dab5e8c9ce039df25@ranteer.com>

I'm having trouble getting the wood pieces out.  any tricks?

Thanks!
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 17:00:52 2026
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 18:00:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] 58 TR3a doors
In-Reply-To: <2f97680b49bc4d9dab5e8c9ce039df25@ranteer.com>
References: <2f97680b49bc4d9dab5e8c9ce039df25@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <621301E2-D1CD-40FA-9A4D-AC827CE7F8F6@yahoo.com>

After you remove the wood screws they should slip right out, don?t remember if there are screws at the top as well.   They have probably gotten pretty comfortable in there after all these years.  



Bill B
TS30766L

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Jan 13, 2026, at 5:48?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
I?m having trouble getting the wood pieces out.  any tricks?
 
Thanks!
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 13 17:49:40 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 00:49:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] 58 TR3a doors
In-Reply-To: <621301E2-D1CD-40FA-9A4D-AC827CE7F8F6@yahoo.com>
References: <2f97680b49bc4d9dab5e8c9ce039df25@ranteer.com>,
 <621301E2-D1CD-40FA-9A4D-AC827CE7F8F6@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8a1a80fc4c6f4158be23abd89e91590e@ranteer.com>

I wouldn't say slip right out.   If the pieces had come apart,  yes.   But i had to use a little persuasion


-------- Original message --------
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Date: 1/13/26 6:01 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 58 TR3a doors

After you remove the wood screws they should slip right out, don?t remember if there are screws at the top as well.   They have probably gotten pretty comfortable in there after all these years.

[IMG_3239.jpeg]

Bill B
TS30766L

?The harder I work, the luckier I get?  H. Ford

On Jan 13, 2026, at 5:48?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
I?m having trouble getting the wood pieces out.  any tricks?

Thanks!
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 13 18:10:42 2026
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 01:10:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Can't get this assembly apart
Message-ID: <68b02dbdcff4490aa9262a7bfa4071da@ranteer.com>

Any ideas?  Tried a very small hub puller with no luck
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Jan 13 18:47:23 2026
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 20:47:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] this is a test
In-Reply-To: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
References: <7be48d1a-7720-489f-8982-4db71c635adc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44bf2eef-768b-42e6-a882-5d444f2ee4bf@verizon.net>

Congrats Terry!

v/r ptegler

On 1/13/2026 4:31 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
>
> This is a test to see if you can post jpegs to
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 20:03:52 2026
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 03:03:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] no photos - ever
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13945.1768351797.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13945.1768351797.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <206313272.77750.1768359832198@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi all,I've never seen a photo on this list - and don't know why - unfortunately it always says; 

"A non-text attachment was scrubbed..."
Can I do something to fix?

Regards,
Carl'63 TR4 since '74
This is a test to see if you can post jpegs to the Triumph list

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From lherault at verizon.net  Tue Jan 13 20:27:22 2026
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L"Herault)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 22:27:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 19, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13950.1768353064.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13950.1768353064.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002a01dc8505$b2b72530$18256f90$@verizon.net>

You could try some propane torch heat to the part that is getting lifted
out,*  or before that, penetrating oil and wedges of some kind at opposite
sides.

Ron L
* for stubborn antique phonograph turntables, one pulls up on the TT evenly
and while it is supported you tap the center spindle with a hammer.  It
almost always works.


-----Original Message-----

   1. Can't get this assembly apart (dave northrup)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 01:10:42 +0000
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From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Tue Jan 13 21:48:34 2026
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2026 23:48:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] no photos - ever
In-Reply-To: <206313272.77750.1768359832198@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.13945.1768351797.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <206313272.77750.1768359832198@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAONC1_4os=YPrq4EYnBL-=Uc29QUSQDH1==acu7ec3TXCv=NkA@mail.gmail.com>

Carl,

I am not an IT guy, but I suspect your AOL email or your antivirus software
is blocking receipt of the pictures. Check your email and antivirus
settings to see if you can allow them from autox.team.net

Good luck
Larry Griffin

On Tue, Jan 13, 2026 at 10:16?PM Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I've never seen a photo on this list - and don't know why - unfortunately
> it always says;
>
> "A non-text attachment was scrubbed..."
>
> Can I do something to fix?
>
> Regards,
> Carl
> '63 TR4 since '74
>
>
>
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