From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb  8 10:02:28 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:02:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] zs carb issue
Message-ID: <5b58290b9f0340e690347993a8c2fe6d@ranteer.com>

72 TR6 triple carbs

I can adjust the rich/lean on 1 of the 3.  I'm assuming I have to pull the carbs.  Then what?  its that section of the carb between the floats and the pistons?

Just looking for a little advice before I pull them.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb  8 10:45:56 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 17:45:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] zs carb issue
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I wasn't clear.  The adjusters won't move.  They are frozen.  I need to fix that.  I need to pull the carbs.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 11:02 AM
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] zs carb issue

72 TR6 triple carbs

I can adjust the rich/lean on 1 of the 3.  I'm assuming I have to pull the carbs.  Then what?  its that section of the carb between the floats and the pistons?

Just looking for a little advice before I pull them.
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From actionsl at att.net  Sat Feb  8 13:45:24 2025
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 12:45:24 -0800
Subject: [TR] Cars
References: <00CBDA2D-8689-4CFA-91FD-EA6A68BAC486.ref@att.net>
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3 cars for sale Los Angeles area 
Carl

From rjray.architect at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 15:07:33 2025
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com (rjray.architect at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2025 16:07:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] Cars
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Carl,
I contacted you the last time you posted on here about having cars for sale.
I could not get you to tell me what cars you were wanting to sell, or
anything else, other than you were in California. All you wanted to know
from me was where I lived.
>From this recent post from you "3 cars for sale Los Angeles area", I don't
think you are any more serious about selling the cars than you were before. 




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Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 2:45 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Cars

3 cars for sale Los Angeles area 
Carl
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb  8 17:50:09 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 00:50:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Cars
In-Reply-To: <01ff01db7a75$db0ce7e0$9126b7a0$@gmail.com>
References: <00CBDA2D-8689-4CFA-91FD-EA6A68BAC486.ref@att.net>
 <00CBDA2D-8689-4CFA-91FD-EA6A68BAC486@att.net>,
 <01ff01db7a75$db0ce7e0$9126b7a0$@gmail.com>
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Scam

Scam

Scam


-------- Original message --------
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com
Date: 2/8/25 4:37 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'Carl Carlson' <actionsl at att.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Cars

Carl,
I contacted you the last time you posted on here about having cars for sale.
I could not get you to tell me what cars you were wanting to sell, or
anything else, other than you were in California. All you wanted to know
from me was where I lived.
>From this recent post from you "3 cars for sale Los Angeles area", I don't
think you are any more serious about selling the cars than you were before.




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, February 8, 2025 2:45 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Cars

3 cars for sale Los Angeles area
Carl
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From lherault at verizon.net  Sun Feb  9 12:14:54 2025
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L"Herault)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 14:14:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cars for sale
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I'm sure there are a lot more than 3 cars for sale in the LA area!

Ron L

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3 cars for sale Los Angeles area
Carl




From actionsl at att.net  Sun Feb  9 12:25:35 2025
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:25:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] For sale
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From actionsl at att.net  Sun Feb  9 12:28:33 2025
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
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Subject: [TR] For sale
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Sun Feb  9 13:05:31 2025
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 20:05:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1739127602.8243.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Hi Listers,
This has been on my mind for quite some time;
Why do TR2 through TR4A rear crank seals NOT USE a graphited rope in the 'purpose-made' groove in the scrolled aluminum holder, when Jaguars with the same type of 'scrolled' crankshaft/seal groove do, as well as some early Ford, Jeep and other brands of motors?
Did the Triumph engineers decide against it even though the rear aluminum crank seal parts were already cast?
The special graphited seal rope is still available at Moss (for early Jags) and other makes of that period..
And I recently read that someone found a rope seal in their TR4 crank seal upon tear down!.. and he mentions that prior to tear down the rear crank seal leaked very little.
To me, it looks like the TR motor rear seal was designed to use a rope just like early Jaguars yet no mention in TR factory manuals.
Been tempted to add the graphited rope.. why not?

Regards,
Carl'63 TR4 since '74
  
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb  9 14:33:28 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 21:33:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] leather hood straps
Message-ID: <9c8708c2d86e49db893d1a85a56c49dc@ranteer.com>

I've seen several sidescreen cars with one or two leather hood straps.

We are still pre-paint so I have time.  I think they look really good (not worried about originality) but I just wonder how much trouble they are when you need to open the hood.  On our TR6 we open the hood and disconnect the battery whenever the car is going to sit for hours/days/etc.  I'm thinking that the hood straps become a pita.  And, of course, you can't just take them off.

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From rjray.architect at gmail.com  Sun Feb  9 15:45:44 2025
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com (rjray.architect at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <598947322.10430419.1739131531843@mail.yahoo.com>
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Carl,

 

I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

 

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl Sereda
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 

Hi Listers,

 

This has been on my mind for quite some time;

 

Why do TR2 through TR4A rear crank seals NOT USE a graphited rope in the 'purpose-made' groove in the scrolled aluminum holder, when Jaguars with the same type of 'scrolled' crankshaft/seal groove do, as well as some early Ford, Jeep and other brands of motors?

 

Did the Triumph engineers decide against it even though the rear aluminum crank seal parts were already cast?

 

The special graphited seal rope is still available at Moss (for early Jags) and other makes of that period..

 

And I recently read that someone found a rope seal in their TR4 crank seal upon tear down!.. and he mentions that prior to tear down the rear crank seal leaked very little.

 

To me, it looks like the TR motor rear seal was designed to use a rope just like early Jaguars yet no mention in TR factory manuals.

 

Been tempted to add the graphited rope.. why not?

 

Regards,

 

Carl

'63 TR4 since '74

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 21:17:10 2025
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (William Brewer)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 20:17:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Cars
In-Reply-To: <00CBDA2D-8689-4CFA-91FD-EA6A68BAC486@att.net>
References: <00CBDA2D-8689-4CFA-91FD-EA6A68BAC486.ref@att.net>
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 ???? Not sure what is going on here. Maybe Carl got hacked.

 ???? I've met with Carl once for lunch and spoken with him several 
times and he is a great guy. His 3 Triumphs are first rate with HDVA 
5-speed conversions. Not going to discuss them further in case a 
hacker/scammer is looking for info.

 ???? I'll give him a call to see what is going on.

 ???? -Bill Brewer

 ???? 1960 TR3A

 ???? 1953 Morgan Plus4 "Flat Rad"


On 2/8/2025 12:45 PM, Carl Carlson wrote:
> 3 cars for sale Los Angeles area
> Carl
>

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Mon Feb 10 13:54:23 2025
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:54:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
Message-ID: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>

Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?



I installed one long (>15 years) ago but it wasn?t effective. I?d be
interested in one known to work.



TIA



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada



>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600

>From: <rjray.architect at gmail.com>

>To: "'Carl Sereda'" <carlsereda at aol.com>,           <
triumphs at autox.team.net>

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

>

>Carl,

>

>I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my
Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

>

>For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits,
which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 14:29:54 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:29:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>
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I used the one from Joe Alexander, still leaked a little but tolerable, followed Kas Kastner?s book.  If anyone needs a mandrel, you can have mine for the shipping.

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 2:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 

Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?

 

I installed one long (>15 years) ago but it wasn?t effective. I?d be interested in one known to work.

 

TIA

 

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada

 

>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600

>From: <rjray.architect at gmail.com <mailto:rjray.architect at gmail.com> >

>To: "'Carl Sereda'" <carlsereda at aol.com <mailto:carlsereda at aolcom> >,           <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

> 

>Carl,

> 

>I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

> 

>For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

 

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Feb 10 14:30:02 2025
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 21:30:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] Bonnet straps
Message-ID: <93CA650A-F0FA-42AC-AB07-5917AB58DE02@gmx.com>


A damned nuisance and only favoured by Hooray Henry?s and Posers. My very first car, an MG TA had them and that was only because the bonnet side catches on either side were so worn, the bonnet was likely to fly off at speed. As the Rev counter didn?t work and the speedo needle twitched the full range of the dial, I knew I was going fast at 15amps on the ammeter. My best friend helpfully told me that 15amps in my TA equated to 65mph in his frog eye Sprite.
Invest your money in something more practical than two strips of leather and two buckles unless you?ve got a Speed Six Bentley or an Invicta as they both really need them.

Jonmac

From rjray.architect at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 14:33:44 2025
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com (rjray.architect at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 15:33:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>
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I bought the rear seal kit from The Roadster Factory.

 

Moss may carry the same kit.

 

 

 

From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 2:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: rjray.architect at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 

Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?

 

I installed one long (>15 years) ago but it wasn?t effective. I?d be interested in one known to work.

 

TIA

 

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada

 

>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600

>From: <rjray.architect at gmail.com <mailto:rjray.architect at gmail.com> >

>To: "'Carl Sereda'" <carlsereda at aol.com <mailto:carlsereda at aol.com> >,           <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

> 

>Carl,

> 

>I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

> 

>For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

 

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From carlsereda at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 15:43:31 2025
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2025 22:43:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1739214003.22084.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Thanks for reply RJ,
With a little more research I see quite a few early British cars used similar rope seals for crankshafts .. but now, most, if not all marques have modernized replacements available - as you have fitted.Seems best way to go!
Regards,Carl'63TR4since'74

Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600
From: <rjray.architect at gmail.com>
To: "'Carl Sereda'" <carlsereda at aol.com>,??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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Carl,

I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl Sereda
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2025 2:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 Hi Listers,

 This has been on my mind for quite some time;
?Why do TR2 through TR4A rear crank seals NOT USE a graphited rope in the 'purpose-made' groove in the scrolled aluminum holder, when Jaguars with the same type of 'scrolled' crankshaft/seal groove do, as well as some early Ford, Jeep and other brands of motors?
Did the Triumph engineers decide against it even though the rear aluminum crank seal parts were already cast?
The special graphited seal rope is still available at Moss (for early Jags) and other makes of that period..
And I recently read that someone found a rope seal in their TR4 crank seal upon tear down!.. and he mentions that prior to tear down the rear crank seal leaked very little.
To me, it looks like the TR motor rear seal was designed to use a rope just like early Jaguars yet no mention in TR factory manuals.
Been tempted to add the graphited rope.. why not?Regards,
Carl
'63 TR4 since '74
  
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 18:19:25 2025
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 01:19:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?
In-Reply-To: <023c01db7c03$767f1e30$637d5a90$@gmail.com>
References: <1c164d30b6a93914b395ba6de4ad60d6@mail.gmail.com>
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 there are 2 aftermarket kits around.?one requires the crank to be machined the other not.i have done 2 that required the crank be machined.i found in both cases that i needed to shim something. te new scroll seal was interfering with the flywheel. im thinking i had to shim the flywheel with a single washer. just be sure you check that things turn ok with the transmission mounted before you put it in the car. yes i put it in the car the first time without checking.its been more that 10 years since i did those builds so forgive the memory.the other thing i did when assembling the scroll and seal was:1) make sure the scroll and rubber seal are very clean by wiping with alcohol or similar.2) then i wiped the crankshaft at the point of touching the seal with oil on my fingers. just enough to leave a thin film.?3) where the rubber seal comes together i applied some RTV silicone adhesive to the joint. its ok if it oozes a little as the oil on the crank will not allow it to stick to the crank.4) once assembled let it sit for about a week to let the sealant fully cure. do not turn the crank, do not move any parts.having done this method twice i have had what id like to say is no leak, but a small stain occasionally has been experienced.

?on the seal that does not require machining it was a lot better and less work. cant remember if i had interference with that one.
best of luck
Frank
    On Monday, February 10, 2025 at 03:21:31 PM PST, <rjray.architect at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
I bought the rear seal kit from The Roadster Factory.

 ?

Moss may carry the same kit.

 ?

 ?

 ?

From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> 
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2025 2:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: rjray.architect at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

 ?

Which after-market kit did you use in your TR3A?

?

I installed one long (>15 years) ago but it wasn?t effective. I?d be interested in one known to work.

?

TIA

?

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada

?

>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:45:44 -0600

>From: <rjray.architect at gmail.com>

>To: "'Carl Sereda'" <carlsereda at aol.com>,?????????? <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?

>?

>Carl,

>?

>I was not aware of the ropes used on other British cars, other than my Austin-Healey, which still originally leaked oil at the rear crank area.

>?

>For both my TR3a and Healey, I installed the after-marked rear seal kits, which eliminated all oil leaks from the rear crankshaft area.

?
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From johnBMacartney at gmx.com  Tue Feb 11 09:53:42 2025
From: johnBMacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 16:53:42 -0000
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
Message-ID: <000501db7ca5$8230dcd0$86929670$@gmx.com>

How many on this list made a special journey yesterday on Sir John Black's
birthday - aka Drive your Triumph Day? It would have been 130 years since
his birth and 60 years since his death.



I confess that since I no longer own any Standard or Triumph car, I made my
pilgrimage to his former home at Tachbrook Mallory, a village near to the
City of Coventry and very close to the town of Leamington Spa in my newly
acquired Kia Sportage hybrid which is a car that has greatly impressed me .
Attached is a picture of the south-west face of Sir John's former home but
admittedly taken in the summer a few years ago when the weather was so much
nicer than the cold, very wet and even more windy winter day in England, as
yesterday proved to be.



The building is now and has been for a long time past, a *very* prestigious
'boutique' hotel and restaurant but you'll be able to go inside it if you
click on this link - Mallory Court Country House Hotel and Spa, Royal
Leamington Spa, United Kingdom - Lowest Rate Guaranteed!
<https://www.hotelsone.com/royal-leamington-spa-hotels-gb/mallory-court-coun
try-house-hotel-and-spa.html?utm_campaign=gb-United-Kingdom-Hotels-eu-en-uk&
utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_content=gb%20|%20royal-leamington-spa%20|
%20528438%20|%20mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa&uid=e9338a2e-7179-
4ef1-8c7b-078209deda8f&as=b&aid=77790657007190&dsti=528438&dstt=8&nid=1&sl=9
&msclkid=0ff76fd337ce11a6aba108784b4244cb&akw=77790879386964>  In the event
any lister should find themselves in the UK at a future date and decides to
make a 'pilgrimage' and to sample the food and drink while there, may I just
advise you to ensure your credit card is of the asbestos type because this
is most definitely not a 'Mom and Pop' establishment when it comes to paying
for things. Many years ago (27 years to be precise) a close friend who was
doing a taxi driving job took a client there and while waiting to take said
client to another local destination, my friend chose to order one freshly
grated cheese sandwich and a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice while he
waited for his client to shower and change. My friend then signed for those
two items upon leaving (which cost was to his client's account) and was
horrified to be charged the princely sum of US$37 plus a 15% service charge
for just one sandwich and a small glass of his drink!!!!!!!!!!!! Patronise
this establishment by all means if you visit but prepare to eat spaghetti or
any form of cheap pasta for the rest of your UK stay.



Jonmac

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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Tue Feb 11 10:24:45 2025
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 11:24:45 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <000501db7ca5$8230dcd0$86929670$@gmx.com>
References: <000501db7ca5$8230dcd0$86929670$@gmx.com>
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Sadly the weather was not cooperating.  I did work on the car,  does that
count?

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 11:15 John Macartney <johnBMacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> How many on this list made a special journey yesterday on Sir John Black?s
> birthday ? aka Drive your Triumph Day? It would have been 130 years since
> his birth and 60 years since his death.
>
>
>
> I confess that since I no longer own any Standard or Triumph car, I made
> my pilgrimage to his former home at Tachbrook Mallory, a village near to
> the City of Coventry and very close to the town of Leamington Spa in my
> newly acquired Kia Sportage hybrid which is a car that has greatly
> impressed me . Attached is a picture of the south-west face of Sir John?s
> former home but admittedly taken in the summer a few years ago when the
> weather was so much nicer than the cold, very wet and even more windy
> winter day in England, as yesterday proved to be.
>
>
>
> The building is now and has been for a long time past, a **very**
> prestigious ?boutique? hotel and restaurant but you?ll be able to go inside
> it if you click on this link - Mallory Court Country House Hotel and Spa,
> Royal Leamington Spa, United Kingdom - Lowest Rate Guaranteed!
> <https://www.hotelsone.com/royal-leamington-spa-hotels-gb/mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa.html?utm_campaign=gb-United-Kingdom-Hotels-eu-en-uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_content=gb%20%7C%20royal-leamington-spa%20%7C%20528438%20%7C%20mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa&uid=e9338a2e-7179-4ef1-8c7b-078209deda8f&as=b&aid=77790657007190&dsti=528438&dstt=8&nid=1&sl=9&msclkid=0ff76fd337ce11a6aba108784b4244cb&akw=77790879386964>
> In the event any lister should find themselves in the UK at a future date
> and decides to make a ?pilgrimage? and to sample the food and drink while
> there, may I just advise you to ensure your credit card is of the asbestos
> type because this is most definitely *not* a ?Mom and Pop? establishment
> when it comes to paying for things. Many years ago (27 years to be precise)
> a close friend who was doing a taxi driving job took a client there and
> while waiting to take said client to another local destination, my friend
> chose to order one freshly grated cheese sandwich and a glass of freshly
> squeezed orange juice while he waited for his client to shower and change.
> My friend then signed for those two items upon leaving (which cost was to
> his client?s account) and was horrified to be charged the princely sum of
> US$37 plus a 15% service charge for just one sandwich and a small glass of
> his drink!!!!!!!!!!!! Patronise this establishment by all means if you
> visit but prepare to eat spaghetti or any form of cheap pasta for the rest
> of your UK stay.
>
>
>
> Jonmac
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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 11:46:03 2025
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 10:46:03 -0800
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YBCs+nNWMiL-Q9__NHAATpgMSaBUQACEv2gZ6CNc2wSgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000501db7ca5$8230dcd0$86929670$@gmx.com>
 <CANuE7YBCs+nNWMiL-Q9__NHAATpgMSaBUQACEv2gZ6CNc2wSgQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes it totally counts.  My car is not ready for the road so I took a photo in my garage.  I encourage others who are in snow country and their cars are in hibernation, to take a photo in the garage.  Did you take a photo yesterday?  If so, send it to DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com

Regards,

Rye




> On Feb 11, 2025, at 9:24 AM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sadly the weather was not cooperating.  I did work on the car,  does that count?
> 
> 
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025, 11:15 John Macartney <johnBMacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnBMacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:
> How many on this list made a special journey yesterday on Sir John Black?s birthday ? aka Drive your Triumph Day? It would have been 130 years since his birth and 60 years since his death.
> 
>  
> 
> I confess that since I no longer own any Standard or Triumph car, I made my pilgrimage to his former home at Tachbrook Mallory, a village near to the City of Coventry and very close to the town of Leamington Spa in my newly acquired Kia Sportage hybrid which is a car that has greatly impressed me . Attached is a picture of the south-west face of Sir John?s former home but admittedly taken in the summer a few years ago when the weather was so much nicer than the cold, very wet and even more windy winter day in England, as yesterday proved to be.
> 
>  
> 
> The building is now and has been for a long time past, a *very* prestigious ?boutique? hotel and restaurant but you?ll be able to go inside it if you click on this link - Mallory Court Country House Hotel and Spa, Royal Leamington Spa, United Kingdom - Lowest Rate Guaranteed! <https://www.hotelsone.com/royal-leamington-spa-hotels-gb/mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa.html?utm_campaign=gb-United-Kingdom-Hotels-eu-en-uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_content=gb%20%7C%20royal-leamington-spa%20%7C%20528438%20%7C%20mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa&uid=e9338a2e-7179-4ef1-8c7b-078209deda8f&as=b&aid=77790657007190&dsti=528438&dstt=8&nid=1&sl=9&msclkid=0ff76fd337ce11a6aba108784b4244cb&akw=77790879386964> In the event any lister should find themselves in the UK at a future date and decides to make a ?pilgrimage? and to sample the food and drink while there, may I just advise you to ensure your credit card is of the asbestos type because this is most definitely not a ?Mom and Pop? establishment when it comes to paying for things. Many years ago (27 years to be precise) a close friend who was doing a taxi driving job took a client there and while waiting to take said client to another local destination, my friend chose to order one freshly grated cheese sandwich and a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice while he waited for his client to shower and change. My friend then signed for those two items upon leaving (which cost was to his client?s account) and was horrified to be charged the princely sum of US$37 plus a 15% service charge for just one sandwich and a small glass of his drink!!!!!!!!!!!! Patronise this establishment by all means if you visit but prepare to eat spaghetti or any form of cheap pasta for the rest of your UK stay.
> 
>  
> 
> Jonmac
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 11:47:05 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 12:47:05 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Tue Feb 11 13:38:34 2025
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:38:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
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I did.

I like the way this photo turned out, quite by accident.

Cliff



________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of John Macartney <johnBMacartney at gmx.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2025 9:53 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day


How many on this list made a special journey yesterday on Sir John Black?s birthday ? aka Drive your Triumph Day? It would have been 130 years since his birth and 60 years since his death.



I confess that since I no longer own any Standard or Triumph car, I made my pilgrimage to his former home at Tachbrook Mallory, a village near to the City of Coventry and very close to the town of Leamington Spa in my newly acquired Kia Sportage hybrid which is a car that has greatly impressed me . Attached is a picture of the south-west face of Sir John?s former home but admittedly taken in the summer a few years ago when the weather was so much nicer than the cold, very wet and even more windy winter day in England, as yesterday proved to be.



The building is now and has been for a long time past, a *very* prestigious ?boutique? hotel and restaurant but you?ll be able to go inside it if you click on this link - Mallory Court Country House Hotel and Spa, Royal Leamington Spa, United Kingdom - Lowest Rate Guaranteed!<https://www.hotelsone.com/royal-leamington-spa-hotels-gb/mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa.html?utm_campaign=gb-United-Kingdom-Hotels-eu-en-uk&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_content=gb%20|%20royal-leamington-spa%20|%20528438%20|%20mallory-court-country-house-hotel-and-spa&uid=e9338a2e-7179-4ef1-8c7b-078209deda8f&as=b&aid=77790657007190&dsti=528438&dstt=8&nid=1&sl=9&msclkid=0ff76fd337ce11a6aba108784b4244cb&akw=77790879386964> In the event any lister should find themselves in the UK at a future date and decides to make a ?pilgrimage? and to sample the food and drink while there, may I just advise you to ensure your credit card is of the asbestos type because this is most definitely not a ?Mom and Pop? establishment when it comes to paying for things. Many years ago (27 years to be precise) a close friend who was doing a taxi driving job took a client there and while waiting to take said client to another local destination, my friend chose to order one freshly grated cheese sandwich and a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice while he waited for his client to shower and change. My friend then signed for those two items upon leaving (which cost was to his client?s account) and was horrified to be charged the princely sum of US$37 plus a 15% service charge for just one sandwich and a small glass of his drink!!!!!!!!!!!! Patronise this establishment by all means if you visit but prepare to eat spaghetti or any form of cheap pasta for the rest of your UK stay.



Jonmac
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Feb 11 15:40:53 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 22:40:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph Day
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Indeed I did.? We got a luck break in the weather.? Chilly but dry.
Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, February 11, 2025 at 11:02:06 AM CST, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:   

 
How many on this list made a special journey yesterday on Sir John Black?s birthday ? aka Drive your Triumph Day? It would have been 130 years since his birth and 60 years since his death.

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Wed Feb 12 08:39:41 2025
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:39:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
Message-ID: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>

I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
thinking about how I might address my situation.

In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.

I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.

I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
been.

I have three questions:

1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.

2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).

3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?

I?d welcome any input from those on this list.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 09:23:01 2025
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (Gerald Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:23:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
References: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR02MB5805C4D6CFD7952E02A478D7F6FC2@MN2PR02MB5805.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I'm following this rear seal thread and need to comment.  The newest seal design works well with a few items that need followed in conjunction with it's install.


  1.
Be certain that the flywheel bolts do not cut into the installed seal. If using the ARP bolts they need to be shortened a small amount by grinding the ends slightly. I don't know if the stock bolts need the same modification but worth inspecting to be sure.
  2.
The best seal will be blamed for a leak when in fact it's not the source of the leak. When installing the rear main bearing cap very careful attention needs to be paid to sealing the cap to the block. That large rectangular slot that requires a rope seal pounded into it if not sealed well enough will leak and frequently is the source of oil being seen dripping from the hole in the bellhousing. And then folks blame the rear main seal when in fact it's that interface between the block and cap that is the source of the leak.

My comment is don't blame the crank seal in many cases.

JVV

________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:39 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine

I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
thinking about how I might address my situation.

In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.

I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.

I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
been.

I have three questions:

1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.

2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).

3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?

I?d welcome any input from those on this list.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 10:33:57 2025
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 12:33:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
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I also bought the Moss seal kit which had the incorrect scroll dimension.
Yep, it leaked.  The fix was to shorten the seal spring by (as I recall)
1/2" and very carefully trim the seal faces slightly to ensure they were
perfectly parallel.  It was a fiddly process but worked.  Thanks to Tony
Drews (FoT racer) for the tip.  For exact dimensions, check Tony's web page
(https://tonydrews.com/uncle_jacks_engine_building_tips.htm#Crank).

hth

jim

On Wed, Feb 12, 2025 at 10:50?AM Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:

> I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
> interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
> thinking about how I might address my situation.
>
> In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
> SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
> the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.
>
> I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
> too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
> crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
> wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.
>
> I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
> Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
> provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
> ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
> crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
> been.
>
> I have three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
> been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
> if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.
>
> 2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
> fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
> crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).
>
> 3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
> others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?
>
> I?d welcome any input from those on this list.
>
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Feb 12 10:44:51 2025
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:44:51 -0800
Subject: [TR] GT6 body for free
References: <EDB1CAE3-D95A-4989-9C19-280D9142ED22@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E11FAE70-A61C-4AE8-ABE4-38AF7D0B5CAE@mac.com>

GT6 body going to the scrap yard soon.  

This looks pretty straight if someone wanted a project, or like other cars I?ve seen, the roof could be cut off and welded onto a car you?re restoring, or the rear window frame, etc., along with some front suspension and brake parts.

If you?re interested email or call Rachel Hill via the contact info at the bottom of the email.  Do so ASAP as this will be cut up and scraped by the end of the month.

Rye

>> From: Rachel Hill <rachel at otraclassics.com <mailto:rachel at otraclassics.com>>
>> Subject: GT6 - thinning out the bone yard
>> Date: February 10, 2025 at 2:51:00 PM PST
>> To: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com <mailto:ryel at mac.com>>
>> 
>> Free to whomever wants it.  I?m happy to load with a forklift during business hours. Yes there is a VIN. It?s parked in front of the chop for anyone who wants a closer look.
>> Can you help me get the word out amongst the club.  Thanks, Rachel
>> .
>>    
>>  
>>   
>>  
>>      
>> Rachel L. Hill  ++  General Manager   ++  408.782.1100  ++  16840 Joleen Way G4, Morgan Hill CA 95037 ++ www.ontheroadagainclassics.com <http://www.ontheroadagainclassics.com/>
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From arnoldgilmour at gmail.com  Wed Feb 12 14:30:17 2025
From: arnoldgilmour at gmail.com (Arnold Gilmour)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 16:30:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3-TR4 crankshaft for sale. MY mechanic says it is in good to
 very good condition.
Message-ID: <CAL-BDOwEjx3P+D=sDRneV_33ZgKn-yYsC6Ph4YjjCf3o5uqgBg@mail.gmail.com>

Would like $300.00  Location is near Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill.
Prefer not to ship.
Contact if interested,  arnoldgilmour at gmail.com
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 15:38:22 2025
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:38:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
References: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1977915335.11921180.1739399902754@mail.yahoo.com>

 1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.
you would have to pull the oil pan off and remove the rear main cap and then you could get a measurement.
2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).
nope. if its undersize your done.
3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?

i have done 2 that required the crank be machined.i found in both cases that i needed to shim something. the new scroll seal was interfering with the flywheel. im thinking i had to shim the flywheel with a single washer. just be sure you check that things turn ok with the transmission mounted before you put it in the car. yes i put it in the car the first time without checking.its been more that 10 years since i did those builds so forgive the memory.the other thing i did when assembling the scroll and seal was:1) make sure the scroll and rubber seal are very clean by wiping with alcohol or similar.2) then i wiped the crankshaft at the point of touching the seal with oil on my fingers. just enough to leave a thin film.?3) where the rubber seal comes together i applied some RTV silicone adhesive to the joint. its ok if it oozes a little as the oil on the crank will not allow it to stick to the crank.4) once assembled let it sit for about a week to let the sealant fully cure. do not turn the crank, do not move any parts.having done this method twice i have had what id like to say is no leak, but a small stain occasionally has been experienced.

Frank


    On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 07:56:15 AM PST, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:  
 
 I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
thinking about how I might address my situation.

In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.

I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.

I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
been.

I have three questions:

1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.

2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).

3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?

I?d welcome any input from those on this list.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 15:41:19 2025
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 22:41:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR02MB5805C4D6CFD7952E02A478D7F6FC2@MN2PR02MB5805.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
 <MN2PR02MB5805C4D6CFD7952E02A478D7F6FC2@MN2PR02MB5805.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2125694361.73771.1739400079395@mail.yahoo.com>

 Gerald?thank you for your comment #1.and to those who have seen my last 2 responses, the interference is a Gerald remained me.i did not grind the flywheel bolts, i just added a washer under the head.the memory is fickle thing eh?
Frank



    On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 08:40:45 AM PST, Gerald Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I'm following this rear seal thread and need to comment.? The newest seal design works well with a few items that need followed in conjunction with it's install.
   
   - Be certain that the flywheel bolts do not cut into the installed seal. If using the ARP bolts they need to be shortened a small amount by grinding the ends slightly. I don't know if the stock bolts need the same modification but worth inspecting to be sure.
   - The best seal will be blamed for a leak when in fact it's not the source of the leak. When installing the rear main bearing cap very careful attention needs to be paid to sealing the cap to the block. That large rectangular slot that requires a rope seal pounded into it if not sealed well?enough will leak and frequently is the source of oil being seen dripping from the hole in the bellhousing. And then folks blame the rear main seal when in fact it's that interface between the block and cap that is the source of the leak.
My comment is don't blame the crank seal in many cases.
JVV
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:39 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine?I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
thinking about how I might address my situation.

In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.

I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.

I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
been.

I have three questions:

1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.

2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).

3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?

I?d welcome any input from those on this list.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Feb 12 16:35:49 2025
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2025 17:35:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <2125694361.73771.1739400079395@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
 <MN2PR02MB5805C4D6CFD7952E02A478D7F6FC2@MN2PR02MB5805.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <2125694361.73771.1739400079395@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bfb9b4bd-55d5-4839-bd93-752f97e0cd97@tonydrews.com>

If you use a washer, make sure it's hardened.? If not it will wear and 
your flywheel will get loose.? Not good.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 2/12/2025 4:41 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> Gerald
> thank you for your comment #1.
> and to those who have seen my last 2 responses, the interference is a 
> Gerald remained me.
> i did not grind the flywheel bolts, i just added a washer under the head.
> the memory is fickle thing eh?
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 08:40:45 AM PST, Gerald Van Vlack 
> <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm following this rear seal thread and need to comment.? The newest 
> seal design works well with a few items that need followed in 
> conjunction with it's install.
>
> 1.
>     Be certain that the flywheel bolts do not cut into the installed
>     seal. If using the ARP bolts they need to be shortened a small
>     amount by grinding the ends slightly. I don't know if the stock
>     bolts need the same modification but worth inspecting to be sure.
> 2.
>     The best seal will be blamed for a leak when in fact it's not the
>     source of the leak. When installing the rear main bearing cap very
>     careful attention needs to be paid to sealing the cap to the
>     block. That large rectangular slot that requires a rope seal
>     pounded into it if not sealed well?enough will leak and frequently
>     is the source of oil being seen dripping from the hole in the
>     bellhousing. And then folks blame the rear main seal when in fact
>     it's that interface between the block and cap that is the source
>     of the leak.
>
> My comment is don't blame the crank seal in many cases.
>
> JVV
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Dave 
> MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:39 AM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
> I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
> interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
> thinking about how I might address my situation.
>
> In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
> SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
> the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.
>
> I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
> too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
> crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
> wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.
>
> I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
> Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
> provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
> ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
> crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
> been.
>
> I have three questions:
>
> 1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
> been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
> if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.
>
> 2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
> fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
> crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).
>
> 3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
> others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?
>
> I?d welcome any input from those on this list.
>
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 18:03:03 2025
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 01:03:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine
In-Reply-To: <bfb9b4bd-55d5-4839-bd93-752f97e0cd97@tonydrews.com>
References: <07afb195f7474c12380b83bbd1ba4473@mail.gmail.com>
 <MN2PR02MB5805C4D6CFD7952E02A478D7F6FC2@MN2PR02MB5805.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <2125694361.73771.1739400079395@mail.yahoo.com>
 <bfb9b4bd-55d5-4839-bd93-752f97e0cd97@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <816839459.11961256.1739408583794@mail.yahoo.com>

 i have been using grade 8 only.?but that said its been 10 years or more with no problems. can remember if for sure i used grade 8

    On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 04:27:23 PM PST, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:  
 
  
If you use a washer, make sure it's hardened.? If not it will wear and your flywheel will get loose.? Not good.
 
Cheers, Tony Drews
 
 On 2/12/2025 4:41 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
  
 
 Gerald? thank you for your comment #1. and to those who have seen my last 2 responses, the interference is a Gerald remained me. i did not grind the flywheel bolts, i just added a washer under the head. the memory is fickle thing eh? 
  Frank 
  
  
  
      On Wednesday, February 12, 2025 at 08:40:45 AM PST, Gerald Van Vlack <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com> wrote:  
  
      I'm following this rear seal thread and need to comment.? The newest seal design works well with a few items that need followed in conjunction with it's install.  
     
   -  Be certain that the flywheel bolts do not cut into the installed seal. If using the ARP bolts they need to be shortened a small amount by grinding the ends slightly. I don't know if the stock bolts need the same modification but worth inspecting to be sure. 
   -  The best seal will be blamed for a leak when in fact it's not the source of the leak. When installing the rear main bearing cap very careful attention needs to be paid to sealing the cap to the block. That large rectangular slot that requires a rope seal pounded into it if not sealed well?enough will leak and frequently is the source of oil being seen dripping from the hole in the bellhousing. And then folks blame the rear main seal when in fact it's that interface between the block and cap that is the source of the leak. 
  My comment is don't blame the crank seal in many cases.  
   JVV  
    From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
 Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2025 10:39 AM
 To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 Subject: [TR] Leaking rear seal on my TR3A's engine ?       I followed the recent exchange about ?TR Rear Crank Seal Rope?? with
 interest and corresponded with all who replied to the OP. That has me
 thinking about how I might address my situation.
 
 In 2008, the engine in my TR3A was rebuilt. As part of that effort an OIL
 SEAL CONVERSION KIT was fitted. The conversion required that the scroll on
 the crankshaft be ground down. It has always leaked.
 
 I had convinced myself that fixing the leak would be too much trouble and
 too expensive to be worth doing. I envisioned having to replace the
 crankshaft and then using a more modern conversion (Moss 837-160). I
 wanted to check with the list to see if that?s the case or not.
 
 I believe --- but am not certain --- that the conversion was sourced from
 Moss (perhaps p/n 837-006). I am aware that incorrect instructions were
 provided with some of the conversion kits so that the crankshafts were
 ground too small. I don?t know if that?s the case with my conversion: the
 crank may have been ground to the correct dimensions, or it might not have
 been.
 
 I have three questions:
 
 1) Is there a way to check the crankshaft dimensions to see what it has
 been ground to that doesn?t require pulling the engine? I?d like to know
 if the crank had to ground to the correct dimensions or not.
 
 2) If the crankshaft was ground to the wrong dimensions, is there a way to
 fix it (e.g., special seal) short of replacing the crankshaft? Replacement
 crankshafts are scarce and quite expensive (>USD$1600).
 
 3) If the crankshaft was ground to the correct dimensions, what have
 others done to keep that oil seal conversion from leaking?
 
 I?d welcome any input from those on this list.
 
 Dave MacKay
 1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
 near Toronto, Canada
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