From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jan  1 18:04:32 2024
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2024 20:04:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Leyland side badges
In-Reply-To: <597C64F0-F38F-4B0A-892C-5869B92C8ED3@gmx.com>
References: <PH7PR11MB67963D2D3C1EBC0D4A23A38DF563A@PH7PR11MB6796.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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I had intended for these to go to the list as well, but I exceeded the
maximum message size.  Let's see if the reduced files will go through.  I'd
be curious to see if the other original cars have the same placement.  This
is on a 1975 TR6.

[image: BL Badge TR6 right horizontal.jpg][image: BL Badge TR6 right
vertica cropl.jpg][image: BL Badge TR6 right vertical.jpg][image: BL Badge
TR6 left horizontal.jpg][image: BL Badge TR6 left vertical.jpg]

On Sun, Dec 31, 2023 at 6:31?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> Dennis, many thanks for your kind offer. Jeff Scarborough was generously
> first past the post with pix and a metric rule alongside. These have been
> forwarded to the guy who contacted me who lives in Norway and I have today
> received an email of thanks to pass on to Jeff. Even though I?ve been on
> this list for at least 25 years, I?m still amazed at how a little cry for
> help from any remote corner of the world, can be answered from another
> remote corner - with pictures, and all within 24 hours or a tad more or
> less.
> Thanks again everyone
>
> Jonmac
>
> On 31 Dec 2023, at 17:32, Dennis Kruse <dennisrkruse at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do you still need help with location of these? I have a 1974 TR6 with
> original badges if you need my help let me know.
>
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> Dennis R Kruse
>
> +1 571 278 5596
>
> dennisrkruse at gmail.com
>
>
>
> 1150 W Schultz Pass Road
>
> Flagstaff AZ 86001
>
> <Screenshot 2023-12-31 at 10.32.22?AM.png>
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From wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  4 15:15:16 2024
From: wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net (William Babbitt)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 17:15:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>

The hydraulically operated stoplight switch on my TR3 has once again failed. And yes, I am using silicone brake fluid.  When sourcing a replacement from NAPA (SL147), it came with a warning note that it is not approved for use with Silicone Brake Fluids. That was for a switch with spade connectors. 

The identical switch with screw connectors (SL144) has no such note. But, the folks at NAPA weren?t able to provide any reassurance that that one would any more silicone tolerant. 

Is anyone aware of an updated hydraulically operated stoplight switch that is silicone brake fluid tolerant?

The thread size is 1/8?X27

Thanks,
Bill Babbitt 


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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Thu Jan  4 15:36:44 2024
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 17:36:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <66315691-2fbb-4634-81fe-c8e14b12bed8@roadrunner.com>

Bill,

When the switch failed on my 63 4, I just went down to my FLAPS and 
picked up a mechanical switch and attached it to the frame that holds 
the master cyl. Added a wire harness around the front, over the radiator 
to hook up with the ends of the old switch. I believe Triumph did this 
for the 4a and on as my 6 has a similar setup from stock. I am sure you 
can rig up something similar for your 3.

Bob

On 1/4/24 17:15, William Babbitt wrote:
> The hydraulically operated stoplight switch on my TR3 has once again failed. And yes, I am using silicone brake fluid.  When sourcing a replacement from NAPA (SL147), it came with a warning note that it is not approved for use with Silicone Brake Fluids. That was for a switch with spade connectors.
>
> The identical switch with screw connectors (SL144) has no such note. But, the folks at NAPA weren?t able to provide any reassurance that that one would any more silicone tolerant.
>
> Is anyone aware of an updated hydraulically operated stoplight switch that is silicone brake fluid tolerant?
>
> The thread size is 1/8?X27
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Babbitt
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jan  4 16:52:00 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 23:52:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>,
 <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <f1a995194e61491eae4556d0bebf4d42@ranteer.com>

Ignore the warning.  They have to put that in there because if you mix Dot 5 and 3/4 you get sludge.   In this litigious society they put that in to avoid being sued.  You are fine.


-------- Original message --------
From: William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net>
Date: 1/4/24 5:08 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: List Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?

The hydraulically operated stoplight switch on my TR3 has once again failed. And yes, I am using silicone brake fluid.  When sourcing a replacement from NAPA (SL147), it came with a warning note that it is not approved for use with Silicone Brake Fluids. That was for a switch with spade connectors.

The identical switch with screw connectors (SL144) has no such note. But, the folks at NAPA weren?t able to provide any reassurance that that one would any more silicone tolerant.

Is anyone aware of an updated hydraulically operated stoplight switch that is silicone brake fluid tolerant?

The thread size is 1/8?X27

Thanks,
Bill Babbitt


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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  5 05:00:47 2024
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 12:00:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <BL3PR10MB6211F9495DEE0CCA1ABCB873B9662@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

If you can still find a Ron Francis SW-32 switch that is supposedly better and more compatible with Dot 5, but it may not be made anymore.  

There are many stories out there beyond Triumphs about poor quality switches so it may be something you just need to keep as a spare or two for the inevitable failure.

I didn?t like relying on the hydraulic switch so I made a bracket and added a mechanical switch to the brake pedal as an alternative.

From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jan  5 06:05:30 2024
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 13:05:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1194364001.9001620.1704459930485@mail.yahoo.com>

The Stop Light switch for an MGB will screw into the pedal assembly replacing the stop screw at the front of the assembly.? A simple, two-wire harness will connect it to the factory wires.? This is what I did on my TR3 with good results and almost looks stock.

Dave 


 

    On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 04:37:08 PM CST, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 The hydraulically operated stoplight switch on my TR3 has once again failed. And yes, I am using silicone brake fluid.? When sourcing a replacement from NAPA (SL147), it came with a warning note that it is not approved for use with Silicone Brake Fluids. That was for a switch with spade connectors. 

The identical switch with screw connectors (SL144) has no such note. But, the folks at NAPA weren?t able to provide any reassurance that that one would any more silicone tolerant. 

Is anyone aware of an updated hydraulically operated stoplight switch that is silicone brake fluid tolerant?

The thread size is 1/8?X27

Thanks,
Bill Babbitt 


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 09:57:21 2024
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 16:57:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <f1a995194e61491eae4556d0bebf4d42@ranteer.com>
References: <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <788084D5-577A-4DD0-8598-DE3513ABFD85@sbcglobal.net>
 <f1a995194e61491eae4556d0bebf4d42@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <825702870.4984496.1704473841712@mail.yahoo.com>

 im not sure we are fine.i am constantly replacing the switch on my TR3 and my friends TR3. both of us using dot 5.it seems we get 9 to 12 months use per switch.been happening for the better part of the last 10 years.we don't get sludge accumulation, the switch just stops working.have tried the moss, TRF and napa parts.
would love to find a compatible switch.
Frank




?
    On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 04:37:57 PM PST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 Ignore the warning.? They have to put that in there because if you mix Dot 5 and 3/4 you get sludge.? ?In this litigious society they put that in to avoid being sued.? You are fine.

-------- Original message --------From: William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> Date: 1/4/24 5:08 PM (GMT-06:00) To: List Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches? 
The hydraulically operated stoplight switch on my TR3 has once again failed. And yes, I am using silicone brake fluid.? When sourcing a replacement from NAPA (SL147), it came with a warning note that it is not approved for use with Silicone Brake Fluids. That was for a switch with spade connectors. 

The identical switch with screw connectors (SL144) has no such note. But, the folks at NAPA weren?t able to provide any reassurance that that one would any more silicone tolerant.

Is anyone aware of an updated hydraulically operated stoplight switch that is silicone brake fluid tolerant?

The thread size is 1/8?X27

Thanks,
Bill Babbitt 


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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Jan  5 13:20:42 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2024 20:20:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] sachs pressure plates
Message-ID: <cba0e187387f4bbfba9554fb483acefd@ranteer.com>

We tried BPNW and they are out.  anyone know a source that has them in stock?
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  6 18:45:28 2024
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 01:45:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] sachs pressure plates
In-Reply-To: <cba0e187387f4bbfba9554fb483acefd@ranteer.com>
References: <cba0e187387f4bbfba9554fb483acefd@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <BL3PR10MB6211A0975F1D654E35E128DEB9642@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Look for  Sachs (#3082 100 041 and stamped Type MF215) - Nelson tested that one on Buckeye Triumphs and I have it in my 6 and am very happy with it.  I think you will get a few hits on vendors.

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:13 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
We tried BPNW and they are out.  anyone know a source that has them in stock?
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From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  6 19:48:46 2024
From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic)
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 21:48:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sachs pressure plates
Message-ID: <F3459FA4-4B00-470A-959D-9F072CB2A8E5@earthlink.net>

? We tried BPNW and they are out.  anyone know a source that has them in stock??

?Try the Roadster Factory

From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jan  7 09:04:20 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 16:04:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] sachs pressure plates
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR10MB6211A0975F1D654E35E128DEB9642@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <cba0e187387f4bbfba9554fb483acefd@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <8076f114d8484f00bed79503f014c2b7@ranteer.com>

Found it at partsgeek!  Thank you Randy.

From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2024 7:45 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] sachs pressure plates

Look for  Sachs (#3082 100 041 and stamped Type MF215) - Nelson tested that one on Buckeye Triumphs and I have it in my 6 and am very happy with it.  I think you will get a few hits on vendors.
Sent from my iPad


On Jan 6, 2024, at 7:13 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
?
We tried BPNW and they are out.  anyone know a source that has them in stock?
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Jan  7 13:39:44 2024
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 15:39:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sachs pressure plates
In-Reply-To: <F3459FA4-4B00-470A-959D-9F072CB2A8E5@earthlink.net>
References: <F3459FA4-4B00-470A-959D-9F072CB2A8E5@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <02f801da41a9$a65815c0$f3084140$@bell.net>

Hope this suggestion is just because you have not read your other messages from the list re: the Christmas Day fire at TRF and not some attempt at humour.

Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net
https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/



-----Original Message-----
From: Tomislav Marincic <tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net> 
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2024 9:49 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Sachs pressure plates

? We tried BPNW and they are out.  anyone know a source that has them in stock??

?Try the Roadster Factory



From wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan  7 14:40:48 2024
From: wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net (William Babbitt)
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2024 16:40:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <825702870.4984496.1704473841712@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <825702870.4984496.1704473841712@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <13B297DC-395C-41DA-B354-1E2A040A06EC@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks to all who responded. 

As suggested by some, I?ve decided to go with installing a mechanical switch up in the master cylinder area. 
I?ll likely remove the hydraulic switch and put a brass plug in its place. 

Can?t see the merit in continuing down the hydraulic path knowing that short term failure is assured. 
I?d like to have more assurance that the brake lights will function when I need them. Also, I prefer having the lights come on at first pedal movement rather than when the brakes are already engaged. 

The wisdom of the list is always appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Bill


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jan  8 07:53:03 2024
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 14:53:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <13B297DC-395C-41DA-B354-1E2A040A06EC@sbcglobal.net>
References: <825702870.4984496.1704473841712@mail.yahoo.com>
 <13B297DC-395C-41DA-B354-1E2A040A06EC@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1264704470.10096186.1704725583948@mail.yahoo.com>

I left my switch in place.? No need to replace it with a plug unless it is leaking.

Dave 


 

    On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 04:41:19 PM CST, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 Thanks to all who responded. 

As suggested by some, I?ve decided to go with installing a mechanical switch up in the master cylinder area. 
I?ll likely remove the hydraulic switch and put a brass plug in its place. 

Can?t see the merit in continuing down the hydraulic path knowing that short term failure is assured. 
I?d like to have more assurance that the brake lights will function when I need them. Also, I prefer having the lights come on at first pedal movement rather than when the brakes are already engaged. 

The wisdom of the list is always appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Bill


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From aribertn at gmail.com  Mon Jan  8 14:51:52 2024
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:51:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
Message-ID: <CAGkVM29JEXG0JsLp3n4v+k1djV5x6zf7HCsrGnJRO0mnbLMKvg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a '61 Ford Falcon.   Also has the hydraulic stop light switch.
 Original switch lasted approx 40 yrs.   Once I switched over to DOT5, the
switch lasted a few more months.   My car gets about 7 to 9 months to a
switch when using DOT5.   I have used several different brands of switches,
all with the same results.    I typically tap my brakes to check the brake
light function (usually I check all lights) on every vehicle prior to
opening the garage door.  My experience is that the pedal force to activate
the switch increases as the switch begins to fail.  Then I know that I need
to change the switch in the next few weeks.   I now buy my switches (half
dozen at a time) from Rockauto buying Standard Motor brand.   This brand
also now has the disclaimer not to use w/ DOT5.    For me the DOT5 is
with the trouble with the switches.

Re: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
im not sure we are fine.
i am constantly replacing the switch on my TR3 and my friends TR3. both of
us using dot 5.
it seems we get 9 to 12 months use per switch.
been happening for the better part of the last 10 years.
we don't get sludge accumulation, the switch just stops working.
have tried the moss, TRF and napa parts.

would love to find a compatible switch.

Frank







On Thursday, January 4, 2024 at 04:37:57 PM PST, dave northrup <
dave at ranteer.com> wrote:


Ignore the warning.  They have to put that in there because if you mix Dot
5 and 3/4 you get sludge.   In this litigious society they put that in to
avoid being sued.  You are fine.
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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Jan  9 14:11:56 2024
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 16:11:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
Message-ID: <NJO9rZ40Gg3z6NJOEr7tWj.1704834729.60c1b0218876d7c42e1b054258ff6b65.MISSINGID@comcast.net>

Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015 Challenger.? Sure these cars all using Dot 5.Sherman D Taffel?65 TR44 Jags 72-965 Jensens 74-76Many Americans 36-''24Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan  9 16:19:20 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 23:19:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
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No.  Not at all.  Antilock brakes do not play nice with dot 5.


-------- Original message --------
From: staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Date: 1/9/24 5:18 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net, staffel at comcast.net
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life

Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015 Challenger.  Sure these cars all using Dot 5.
Sherman D Taffel
65 TR4
4 Jags 72-96
5 Jensens 74-76
Many Americans 36-''24


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 16:28:56 2024
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 23:28:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
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 but most of your new cars are using a switch located at your break pedal.not into the DOT5 itself.


    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 03:08:44 PM PST, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015 Challenger.? Sure these cars all using Dot 5.Sherman D Taffel?65 TR44 Jags 72-965 Jensens 74-76Many Americans 36-''24

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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Jan  9 17:14:01 2024
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2024 19:14:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
In-Reply-To: <236293454.5933299.1704842936614@mail.yahoo.com>
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Gotcha Frank! Ironically, I now recall that my three 60s Slant 6? Dodges ( 61 Lancer wagon, 63 Dart GT convert & 65 Dodge a100 pickup) used mechanically activated brake light switches, as does my 65 TR4= CT50054L I'D by VTR decades ago as last TR4 by serial# imported to US Later TR4s were TR4As (IRS).Not surprised TR3s had hydraulic switch but so did Jag 120s-150s.On the Jags, switch was in brake line lower inner fender and when leaked- driver lost brake system. On long club drive fortunately had bolt to replace bad switch & saved friends Day as we were over 100mi from 'home DC area".Many have replaced hydraulic switches with mechanically activated switches, not hard to do.Oh the simple things that cause 'anxiety' when they fail!Sherman?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> Date: 1/9/24  6:29 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net, staffel at comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life 
        but most of your new cars are using a switch located at your break pedal.not into the DOT5 itself.
        
        
            
                
                
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                Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015 Challenger.? Sure these cars all using Dot 5.Sherman D Taffel?65 TR44 Jags 72-965 Jensens 74-76Many Americans 36-''24Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone** triumphs at autox.team.net **Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com
            
        
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From wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  9 17:52:47 2024
From: wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net (William Babbitt)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 19:52:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
In-Reply-To: <96894671-31A1-4199-8866-C0556BF6B860@sbcglobal.net>
References: <96894671-31A1-4199-8866-C0556BF6B860@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <62F35FA5-9262-4DC6-937A-CFDD7DE9287F@sbcglobal.net>

Hi Dave,
Here?s the info on the mechanical stoplight switch conversion for the TR3:


The switch came from Amazon:

Beck/Arnley Stop Light Switch -... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CRZEZ2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

The threaded shaft fit perfectly in the master cylinder support frame. It only came with one nut but a quick trip to the local hardware store secured a couple more. It?s metric: 10M - 1.25 thread. 

Let me know if you need anything else. 

Bill

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:25?PM, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave
> I?d be happy to. 
> I?m hoping to work it this Tuesday 
> Bill
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2024, at 6:06?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Would you mind sending me pics etc when you are done?  I am about to restore a 3
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net>
>> Date: 1/7/24 4:56 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: List Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
>> 
>> Thanks to all who responded.
>> 
>> As suggested by some, I?ve decided to go with installing a mechanical switch up in the master cylinder area.
>> I?ll likely remove the hydraulic switch and put a brass plug in its place.
>> 
>> Can?t see the merit in continuing down the hydraulic path knowing that short term failure is assured.
>> I?d like to have more assurance that the brake lights will function when I need them. Also, I prefer having the lights come on at first pedal movement rather than when the brakes are already engaged.
>> 
>> The wisdom of the list is always appreciated.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 19:05:31 2024
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 02:05:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
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 laughing with yanot going to a mechanical switch. far too a purist in some ways. i say that with a toyota 5 speed. but i at least built that in a way that you cant know unless you get under the car.ill stick with changing out the switch each year. i can change them now in about 3 minutes without the need to bleed the brakes again.
Frank
    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 04:14:53 PM PST, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Gotcha Frank! Ironically, I now recall that my three 60s Slant 6? Dodges ( 61 Lancer wagon, 63 Dart GT convert & 65 Dodge a100 pickup) used mechanically activated brake light switches, as does my 65 TR4= CT50054L I'D by VTR decades ago as last TR4 by serial# imported to US Later TR4s were TR4As (IRS).
Not surprised TR3s had hydraulic switch but so did Jag 120s-150s.
On the Jags, switch was in brake line lower inner fender and when leaked- driver lost brake system. On long club drive fortunately had bolt to replace bad switch & saved friends Day as we were over 100mi from 'home DC area".
Many have replaced hydraulic switches with mechanically activated switches, not hard to do.
Oh the simple things that cause 'anxiety' when they fail!Sherman?


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> Date: 1/9/24 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net, staffel at comcast.net Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life 
 but most of your new cars are using a switch located at your break pedal.not into the DOT5 itself.


    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 03:08:44 PM PST, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015 Challenger.? Sure these cars all using Dot 5.Sherman D Taffel?65 TR44 Jags 72-965 Jensens 74-76Many Americans 36-''24

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 20:31:15 2024
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 21:31:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  DOT 5 & brake switch life
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I have a hydraulic switch on my TR250.  I don't think I have replaced it
since I redid the car 15 years ago (wow!).  There is a pretty good chance
the vendor I bought it from is gone, as I got most of my stuff from TRF and
Victoria British.

Greg Lemon

On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 9:17 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:

> Gotcha Frank! Ironically, I now recall that my three 60s Slant 6  Dodges (
> 61 Lancer wagon, 63 Dart GT convert & 65 Dodge a100 pickup) used
> mechanically activated brake light switches, as does my 65 TR4= CT50054L
> I'D by VTR decades ago as last TR4 by serial# imported to US Later TR4s
> were TR4As (IRS).
>
> Not surprised TR3s had hydraulic switch but so did Jag 120s-150s.
>
> On the Jags, switch was in brake line lower inner fender and when leaked-
> driver lost brake system. On long club drive fortunately had bolt to
> replace bad switch & saved friends Day as we were over 100mi from 'home DC
> area".
>
> Many have replaced hydraulic switches with mechanically activated
> switches, not hard to do.
>
> Oh the simple things that cause 'anxiety' when they fail!
> Sherman
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> Date: 1/9/24 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net, staffel at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
>
> but most of your new cars are using a switch located at your break pedal.
> not into the DOT5 itself.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 03:08:44 PM PST, staffel <
> staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as have had
> no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011 C200 or 2015
> Challenger.  Sure these cars all using Dot 5.
> Sherman D Taffel
> 65 TR4
> 4 Jags 72-96
> 5 Jensens 74-76
> Many Americans 36-''24
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 10 05:13:25 2024
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:13:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
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Alternately, you can order the switch from Moss Motors (P/N 181-980).? I ran my wires through the cabin to the right side and along the main wire harness.? A more discrete installation.



Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:12:07 PM CST, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi Dave,Here?s the info on the mechanical stoplight switch conversion for the TR3:
The switch came from Amazon:
Beck/Arnley Stop Light Switch -... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CRZEZ2?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
The threaded shaft fit perfectly in the master cylinder support frame. It only came with one nut but a quick trip to the local hardware store secured a couple more. It?s metric: 10M - 1.25 thread.?
Let me know if you need anything else.?
Bill
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2024, at 7:25?PM, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:



? DaveI?d be happy to.?I?m hoping to work it this Tuesday?Bill
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2024, at 6:06?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:



? Would you mind sending me pics etc when you are done?? I am about to restore a 3

-------- Original message --------From: William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> Date: 1/7/24 4:56 PM (GMT-06:00) To: List Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches? 
Thanks to all who responded. 

As suggested by some, I?ve decided to go with installing a mechanical switch up in the master cylinder area.
I?ll likely remove the hydraulic switch and put a brass plug in its place. 

Can?t see the merit in continuing down the hydraulic path knowing that short term failure is assured.
I?d like to have more assurance that the brake lights will function when I need them. Also, I prefer having the lights come on at first pedal movement rather than when the brakes are already engaged.

The wisdom of the list is always appreciated. 

Thanks, 
Bill


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From wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 10 06:43:08 2024
From: wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net (William Babbitt)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:43:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
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Dave Massey,

I do like the look of yours. 
If the mod I made doesn?t work out for some reason I?d likely go with that  

Did the Moss switch require and mods to the master cylinder support hole ?  Overbore? Threading?

Thanks
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 10 09:20:14 2024
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 16:20:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Silicone Brake Fluid Tolerant Stoplight Switches?
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If I remember correctly it did not need any modifications to the pedal assembly.? It has the correct thread for the weldnut.? I routed the wires discretely as I was attempting to go totally stock.? I did put in a relay for the horn and I used quite a few stainless fasteners - especially on the fender attachments.? So, points off for over-restoration.? ;-)

Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, January 10, 2024 at 07:43:26 AM CST, William Babbitt <wbabbitt at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 Dave Massey,
I do like the look of yours.?If the mod I made doesn?t work out for some reason I?d likely go with that ?
Did the Moss switch require and mods to the master cylinder support hole ? ?Overbore? Threading?
ThanksBill
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 09:53:25 2024
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 08:53:25 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fwd: DOT 5 & brake switch life
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On 1/9/24 7:31 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> I have a hydraulic switch on my TR250.? I don't think I have replaced 
> it since I redid the car 15 years ago (wow!).? There is a pretty good 
> chance the vendor I bought it from is gone, as I got most of my stuff 
> from TRF and Victoria British.

My TR3 has used DOT 5 fluid for at least 25 years and I have not needed 
to replace the hydraulic brake light switch for at least 20 of those years.

TeriAnn

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jan 10 13:56:10 2024
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 20:56:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fwd: DOT 5 & brake switch life
In-Reply-To: <f9f6229b-cf4e-4d85-af64-8e29849c0815@gmail.com>
References: <236293454.5933299.1704842936614@mail.yahoo.com>
 <NMEYrmYp4pnRcNMEdrTgL3.1704845668.8c7190918dee2b608447263c3fdefde3.MISSINGID@comcast.net>
 <CAFtw3aZtA1fYmEaZL1HNknE3jkbFFEtVdkNMQ0i+u97zfwoFHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3aZ3OZdtsLKoCyZqb+s3vQeLEJ8xOtFsO2kQMRwGLjujkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB765516AD42630F74B93F1107CA692@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I bought a new brake light switch when I restored my TR3 in 2004 and it has worked flawlessly since ? with DOT 5.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 11:53 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: DOT 5 & brake switch life

On 1/9/24 7:31 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
I have a hydraulic switch on my TR250.  I don't think I have replaced it since I redid the car 15 years ago (wow!).  There is a pretty good chance the vendor I bought it from is gone, as I got most of my stuff from TRF and Victoria British.

My TR3 has used DOT 5 fluid for at least 25 years and I have not needed to replace the hydraulic brake light switch for at least 20 of those years.

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Jan 10 14:16:13 2024
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 15:16:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fwd: DOT 5 & brake switch life
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZ3OZdtsLKoCyZqb+s3vQeLEJ8xOtFsO2kQMRwGLjujkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <236293454.5933299.1704842936614@mail.yahoo.com>
 <NMEYrmYp4pnRcNMEdrTgL3.1704845668.8c7190918dee2b608447263c3fdefde3.MISSINGID@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <7d21ae7f-d0d0-481d-adae-28eb1de21f61@rmi.net>

 ?Interesting - was that stock? My wife's TR250 has a mechanical one- 
appears to be stock per parts book.

Roger

On 1/9/2024 9:31 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a hydraulic switch on my TR250.? I don't think I have replaced 
> it since I redid the car 15 years ago (wow!).? There is a pretty good 
> chance the vendor I bought it from is gone, as I got most of my stuff 
> from TRF and Victoria British.
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> On Tue, Jan 9, 2024, 9:17 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>     Gotcha Frank! Ironically, I now recall that my three 60s Slant 6?
>     Dodges ( 61 Lancer wagon, 63 Dart GT convert & 65 Dodge a100
>     pickup) used mechanically activated brake light switches, as does
>     my 65 TR4= CT50054L I'D by VTR decades ago as last TR4 by serial#
>     imported to US Later TR4s were TR4As (IRS).
>
>     Not surprised TR3s had hydraulic switch but so did Jag 120s-150s.
>
>     On the Jags, switch was in brake line lower inner fender and when
>     leaked- driver lost brake system. On long club drive fortunately
>     had bolt to replace bad switch & saved friends Day as we were over
>     100mi from 'home DC area".
>
>     Many have replaced hydraulic switches with mechanically activated
>     switches, not hard to do.
>
>     Oh the simple things that cause 'anxiety' when they fail!
>     Sherman
>
>
>
>     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable
>     smartphone
>
>
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
>     Date: 1/9/24 6:29 PM (GMT-05:00)
>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net, staffel at comcast.net
>     Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 & brake switch life
>
>     but most of your new cars are using a switch located at your break
>     pedal.
>     not into the DOT5 itself.
>
>
>
>     On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 03:08:44 PM PST, staffel
>     <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>     Interesting! So I will investigate brake switches on new cars as
>     have had no issues with my 96 Jag or 96 Caravan or 2005 PT or 2011
>     C200 or 2015 Challenger. Sure these cars all using Dot 5.
>     Sherman D Taffel
>     65 TR4
>     4 Jags 72-96
>     5 Jensens 74-76
>     Many Americans 36-''24
>
>
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Jan 10 14:36:31 2024
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2024 21:36:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] Brake light switch
Message-ID: <D45D6BD1-DECF-47C3-A5FF-D88D713E5D2F@gmx.com>

I couldn?t be bothered with regular changes of brake light switches. Go mechanical instead. My Herald 13/60 bought new in ?68 and immediately sold to my mother, had a defective switch causing brake light flicker. The mechanical switch was mounted inside the car and bore on the brake pedal, just as it did in Dad?s ?59 Vanguard. Less than five minutes to change and worked perfectly in both cars until Ma got T boned by a very fast moving MGB.

Jonmac

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Jan 12 14:17:14 2024
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 21:17:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] The TRF FIRE
Message-ID: <05332460-FD0A-45FE-B425-69E2DCB09812@gmx.com>

I have no wish to be seen as gloating on the misfortunes of TRF, the Runyan family and TRF employees whose careers may have been brought to an abrupt halt as a result of the Christmas Day tragedy. I?m submitting this post as a Standard Triumph ex employee, enthusiast, supporter and someone who spent the final 35 working years of his career in the global parts business at manufacturer and supplier level.
All I want to say is I?m more than willing to help TRF in any way that I can from a U.K. base (though I?m sure they still have all their contacts) and any Triumph owner in the States or Canada find the elusive part. Those who know me will know there is no commercial angle or financial interest on my part to try and make ?a buck or two on the side.? I?ve owned two Triumph Big Sixes and a Ferguson tractor in the past and I know too well what it?s like to be ?part-less? and not know where to find the item you want. I?m not setting myself to be an alternative supplier but simply a searching source and hopefully able to point people in the right direction for what they want. I can?t guarantee success, but I?m willing to try.
Rebuilding any business after a disaster is unrelenting hard graft and I?m confident those still at TRF are wondering where the h*ll to start. I?m sure their U.K. suppliers will do what they can to ease the burden; at least, I hope they will. Similarly, if I can help in any abstract way, I?m happy to do so.

Jonmac

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> Hey guys,
> I just found out a little late, so just for anyone else on list that hasn't heard, TRF burned to the ground on Christmas Day. You can google for the news stories from PA. There's also a Facebook page with folks sharing stories and kind words.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 12 16:04:54 2024
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2024 18:04:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] The TRF FIRE
In-Reply-To: <05332460-FD0A-45FE-B425-69E2DCB09812@gmx.com>
References: <05332460-FD0A-45FE-B425-69E2DCB09812@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <E962B825-EB68-451F-9324-A61A6D928714@gmail.com>

Nicely said John! My thoughts and prayers are with TRF Family and hoping they will start back up. They are so important to our Triumph and MG community!  I can only imagine what they are all feeling and experiencing. My heart goes out and want to help any way possible.

Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL

> On Jan 12, 2024, at 6:00?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have no wish to be seen as gloating on the misfortunes of TRF, the Runyan family and TRF employees whose careers may have been brought to an abrupt halt as a result of the Christmas Day tragedy. I?m submitting this post as a Standard Triumph ex employee, enthusiast, supporter and someone who spent the final 35 working years of his career in the global parts business at manufacturer and supplier level.
> All I want to say is I?m more than willing to help TRF in any way that I can from a U.K. base (though I?m sure they still have all their contacts) and any Triumph owner in the States or Canada find the elusive part. Those who know me will know there is no commercial angle or financial interest on my part to try and make ?a buck or two on the side.? I?ve owned two Triumph Big Sixes and a Ferguson tractor in the past and I know too well what it?s like to be ?part-less? and not know where to find the item you want. I?m not setting myself to be an alternative supplier but simply a searching source and hopefully able to point people in the right direction for what they want. I can?t guarantee success, but I?m willing to try.
> Rebuilding any business after a disaster is unrelenting hard graft and I?m confident those still at TRF are wondering where the h*ll to start. I?m sure their U.K. suppliers will do what they can to ease the burden; at least, I hope they will. Similarly, if I can help in any abstract way, I?m happy to do so.
> 
> Jonmac
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>> Hey guys,
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 13 20:30:23 2024
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2024 19:30:23 -0800
Subject: [TR] TRF fire video
Message-ID: <87f39b2a-476b-4425-949c-899b131f9560@gmail.com>

A video of the fire & rescue of 3 cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XdjWOVPBc

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 14 14:13:15 2024
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:13:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] TRF fire video
In-Reply-To: <87f39b2a-476b-4425-949c-899b131f9560@gmail.com>
References: <87f39b2a-476b-4425-949c-899b131f9560@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhf_fgY3Nq7xOJWZJVD7f7dE1g6LY2SnzDYTyWX=J9HXA@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I missed it, but has there been an official determination
of the cause of the fire yet?

Dave

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 11:08?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> A video of the fire & rescue of 3 cars
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XdjWOVPBc
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan 15 12:48:02 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 19:48:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6
Message-ID: <e04817919a384a0e8c266a8fad40d57c@ranteer.com>

Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and outside) and/or part numbers.

This used to be easy!  I'm having trouble finding them.

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Jan 15 15:24:17 2024
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 16:24:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6
In-Reply-To: <e04817919a384a0e8c266a8fad40d57c@ranteer.com>
References: <e04817919a384a0e8c266a8fad40d57c@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <a8322580-ad77-4fd5-ac56-6b69a975775c@tonydrews.com>

I have an old spreadsheet (from 2011!) showing these Timken part 
numbers.? Not sure which is inner and which is outer.

07210X? Cup
07100? Cone
03062? Cone
03162? Cup

Regards, Tony

On 1/15/2024 1:48 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and 
> outside) and/or part numbers.
>
> This used to be easy!? I?m having trouble finding them.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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From brserv at aol.com  Mon Jan 15 16:04:23 2024
From: brserv at aol.com (brserv at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 23:04:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Timken Bearings
References: <1588909179.1390782.1705359863351.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1588909179.1390782.1705359863351@mail.yahoo.com>

I was able to recently buy the Timken bearings from a company called Find-It-Parts, LLC.? They are at
?finditparts.com?They had all the bearings in stock for the Triumph, and were a lot cheaper than anyone else. They are located in Los Angeles, California?Alex1959 TR3A1066 TR4A
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan 15 16:04:33 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 23:04:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6
In-Reply-To: <172617947.2042476.1705358873590@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <e04817919a384a0e8c266a8fad40d57c@ranteer.com>
 <172617947.2042476.1705358873590@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0b79c891bfb540f1b6847a3c7fa453f6@ranteer.com>

Rockauto has them!!!!!

Thanks, Chad

From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2024 4:48 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6

Rockauto.com


That's who I use.

Chad

On Monday, January 15, 2024 at 03:06:06 PM MST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:



Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and outside) and/or part numbers.



This used to be easy!  I?m having trouble finding them.



Thanks!
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From brserv at aol.com  Mon Jan 15 16:08:06 2024
From: brserv at aol.com (brserv at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 23:08:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6
In-Reply-To: <a8322580-ad77-4fd5-ac56-6b69a975775c@tonydrews.com>
References: <e04817919a384a0e8c266a8fad40d57c@ranteer.com>
 <a8322580-ad77-4fd5-ac56-6b69a975775c@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <917044728.1394255.1705360086042@mail.yahoo.com>

Those are the correct Timken bearing part numbers. As I mentioned in my last message, Find-It-Parts has them listed.
?finditparts.com?Regards.?Alex??
In a message dated 1/15/2024 5:49:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, tony at tonydrews.com writes:?

I have an old spreadsheet (from 2011!) showing these Timken part numbers.? Not sure which is inner and which is outer.

07210X? Cup
07100? Cone
03062? Cone
03162? Cup

Regards, Tony
On 1/15/2024 1:48 PM, dave northrup wrote:?
Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and outside) and/or part numbers.

?

This used to be easy!? I?m having trouble finding them.

?

Thanks!

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 15 16:34:15 2024
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 18:34:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6
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I think rockauto has them. You just have to buy the race and bearing seperate. Jim Henningsen

> On Jan 15, 2024, at 5:15?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and outside) and/or part numbers.
>  
> This used to be easy!  I?m having trouble finding them.
>  
> Thanks!
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Jan 16 09:07:33 2024
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud)
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2024 09:07:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6
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MROsupply has Times bearings

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> On Jan 15, 2024, at 5:54?PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think rockauto has them. You just have to buy the race and bearing seperate. Jim Henningsen
> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 5:15?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Looking for a supplier for Timkin wheel bearings (front, inside and outside) and/or part numbers.
>>  
>> This used to be easy!  I?m having trouble finding them.
>>  
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sun Jan 21 13:23:08 2024
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 15:23:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for a Guide or input to hosting a successful tech
 session or input
Message-ID: <CANhzkeNhK6SP5DozZ8kD1+spArcdnbsw6h2Y5nQMgqUFYkO4KA@mail.gmail.com>

This year I am responsible for finding/managing tech session opportunities
for the Eastern Region  (roughly eastern third of the carolinas) for the
Triumph Club of the Carolinas.

We've had some great tech sessions, just not enough of them!.  Memorable
ones were rebuilding transmissions, overdrives,  front/rear suspensions,
getting members basket case together, building a TR6 from donated parts for
charity, etc.

I wondered if anyone out there had a write up I could share (in it;s
entirety or partial - credit will be given) to help me explain to new
members the ins and outs of hosting a tech session at their garage.

I'm not sure how interesting this is to the general mailing list - if you
prefer you can reply directly.

Thank you!

Chris
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Sun Jan 21 14:03:37 2024
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 16:03:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sound Deading Insulation
Message-ID: <6C83EE7A-36ED-4774-9CBF-581CE27A2159@comcast.net>

	I hope everyone is enjoying renovation/repair season. This year I was able to run my TR6 until past Christmas before the roads were salted.
	I'm thinking of adding sound insulation panels of my transmission tunnel over the winter, but I wanted to check to see if anyone else has done it and what their results were. I have sound deadening material left over from another project I did on my wife's BMW Z4, but that was doing the doors to eliminate the tinny sound when the doors were shut. BMW said it eliminated the sound deadening material in the doors to reduce excessive weight. This is in a car with A/C and power seats...
	In doing either the transmission tunnel or the whole interior did the sound insulation reduce road noise?  I'm a bit hesitant about doing the whole interior as my car is original and I'm leery of adding material that may be almost impossible to remove during a restoration.  In any case, I'd like to hear other peoples experience in doing this possible project.
	Best,
	Bob
	'72 TR6
	

From ronaldolds53 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 22 06:15:38 2024
From: ronaldolds53 at gmail.com (Ronald Olds)
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2024 13:15:38 +0000
Subject: [TR] Sound Deading Insulation
In-Reply-To: <6C83EE7A-36ED-4774-9CBF-581CE27A2159@comcast.net>
References: <6C83EE7A-36ED-4774-9CBF-581CE27A2159@comcast.net>
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Bob,

i used inexpensive  non-adhesive sound insulation mat on the interior of my TR6. I laid it on the floors and trans tunnel and put the carpeting down on top of it. I am very pleased with the results. It can be removed very easily if desired.

Ronald Olds
72 TR6
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2024 4:03 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Sound Deading Insulation

        I hope everyone is enjoying renovation/repair season. This year I was able to run my TR6 until past Christmas before the roads were salted.
        I'm thinking of adding sound insulation panels of my transmission tunnel over the winter, but I wanted to check to see if anyone else has done it and what their results were. I have sound deadening material left over from another project I did on my wife's BMW Z4, but that was doing the doors to eliminate the tinny sound when the doors were shut. BMW said it eliminated the sound deadening material in the doors to reduce excessive weight. This is in a car with A/C and power seats...
        In doing either the transmission tunnel or the whole interior did the sound insulation reduce road noise?  I'm a bit hesitant about doing the whole interior as my car is original and I'm leery of adding material that may be almost impossible to remove during a restoration.  In any case, I'd like to hear other peoples experience in doing this possible project.
        Best,
        Bob
        '72 TR6

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan 22 17:20:10 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:20:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
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Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Jan 23 09:14:28 2024
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 08:14:28 -0800
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
In-Reply-To: <dd5b63a859e149febc6b9d9a5304323d@ranteer.com>
References: <dd5b63a859e149febc6b9d9a5304323d@ranteer.com>
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You could check with this company.  www.seatbeltplanet.com  For two other vintage cars, not Triumphs, I got retractable 3 point belts from them.

Rye

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 4:20 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 23 09:53:21 2024
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 16:53:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] Looking for a Guide or input to hosting a successful tech
 session or input
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeNhK6SP5DozZ8kD1+spArcdnbsw6h2Y5nQMgqUFYkO4KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeNhK6SP5DozZ8kD1+spArcdnbsw6h2Y5nQMgqUFYkO4KA@mail.gmail.com>
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Chris

I don?t have a guide but if you get one I?d love it if you would forward on.  I?ve had discussion with a few Houston club members on that topic.  We?ve had past tech sessions but they are pretty sparse.  I don?t recall who runs them but the GYHD get your hands dirty format seems promising to get tech sessions into a regular club rhythm.  We have club experts that can handle pretty much anything but they usually aren?t set up for a class type learning format.

Randy


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 21, 2024, at 3:04?PM, Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This year I am responsible for finding/managing tech session opportunities for the Eastern Region  (roughly eastern third of the carolinas) for the Triumph Club of the Carolinas. 
> 
> We've had some great tech sessions, just not enough of them!.  Memorable ones were rebuilding transmissions, overdrives,  front/rear suspensions, getting members basket case together, building a TR6 from donated parts for charity, etc.
> 
> I wondered if anyone out there had a write up I could share (in it;s entirety or partial - credit will be given) to help me explain to new members the ins and outs of hosting a tech session at their garage. 
> 
> I'm not sure how interesting this is to the general mailing list - if you prefer you can reply directly.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Chris
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 23 09:55:24 2024
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 16:55:24 +0000
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
In-Reply-To: <dd5b63a859e149febc6b9d9a5304323d@ranteer.com>
References: <dd5b63a859e149febc6b9d9a5304323d@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <BL3PR10MB6211C0E1B8D89AA574720D20B9742@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

I?d be surprised if you can find that style anymore I believe it?s just an early format when belts first came out.  


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> On Jan 22, 2024, at 11:44?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Tue Jan 23 12:27:43 2024
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:27:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7210.1705969242.23356.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7210.1705969242.23356.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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In this case I?m not sure that I would be concerned with originality. A hook and eye bolt is I think, more common. It may have been dealer installed. What car is this?

> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: [TR] Seat belts
> Date: January 22, 2024 at 7:20:10?PM EST
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 23 12:49:28 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 19:49:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
In-Reply-To: <ABE4BC7F-22E1-486B-8319-EC1E35BCFD4A@mac.com>
References: <dd5b63a859e149febc6b9d9a5304323d@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <060e9b14596c496f89d4942c3f4a5a53@ranteer.com>

I think that will work!  they basically do a reweb.

Thank you

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From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 10:14 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts

You could check with this company.  www.seatbeltplanet.com  For two other vintage cars, not Triumphs, I got retractable 3 point belts from them.

Rye

> On Jan 22, 2024, at 4:20 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From ckjordan at kc.rr.com  Tue Jan 23 17:52:37 2024
From: ckjordan at kc.rr.com (Keith Jordan)
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:52:37 -0600
Subject: [TR] Looking for a Guide or input to hosting a successful tech
 session or input
Message-ID: <179FE109-B95F-47CF-A469-E4DD36A71106@kc.rr.com>

Chris and Others,

I, too, don?t have a guide, but I?m happy to share what we?ve/I?ve done in Kansas City. We typically have a tech session every month and they?re put on the calendar well in advance. We use either a person?s garage (if large enough) or, if we?re lucky, a communal garage/storage space. The subjects are what the presenter is familiar with, for instance, I gave a tech session on how I put a Skinner interior in my (now sold) TR3 to about 20-25 members. What made it successful was that I had documented the interior install through lots of photos, which I placed in a Power Point presentation. We had access to a large flat screen TV, and I used my laptop. My car was present, too, so I could show a ?slide? on the TV and point it out for real on my car. It helped that I have done dozens of presentations over the years, both for work and my other hobby (railroad history). I believe that presentations should be somewhat entertaining, rather than a dry recitation of facts (it helps that I?m comfortable speaking in front of a crowd and doing so extemporaneously).

In May, I will be doing a presentation on wiring, again using my former TR3 as an example (through photos) and a member?s TR2 that is having the loom replaced. I?m not going to talk about electrical theory or anything, just how to install a loom and some of the tricks I learned along the way. It?s the practical aspects that most people have a question about, rather than the hardcore aspects.

In other instances we?ve had ?hands-on? explanations,  such as replacing the window regulator parts on a TR6. We?re planning to have a tech session on welding in the future. It also helps to have a handout, outlining the steps or relevant info, something one can add to the  ?TR notebook.?

Make sure you water and feed your guests; in our morning sessions we always have coffee, juice and donuts (paid for by the club).

I hope this helps and feel free to contact me with additional questions.

Keith Jordan
Kansas City Triumphs Sports Car Club

From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 23 18:44:32 2024
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2024 01:44:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
In-Reply-To: <F0DC9752-947E-49BB-848C-EB87F2BFA757@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.7210.1705969242.23356.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <F0DC9752-947E-49BB-848C-EB87F2BFA757@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba88919e0faf43d78bcf985c034010d3@ranteer.com>

Originality not a consideration!!!  I just thought it would be easier to go with the original concept as opposed to drilling new holes.  But I think I can take a standard lap belt and either run these ?hooks? through the webbing where the bolt holder is, or maybe cut the belt and run it through the metal clips that are on the current belts.

I already bought some Brookland racing screens.  They are gorgeous!  Can?t wait to put them on the car.  btw my car is an early 59 TR3a.  its an original LO.  i took the OD off and had it put on a TR6 transmission, which will be going in the car.  the car came with two engines.  The first was likely the original one; there were 2 rust frozen pistons, a crankshaft, and not much else.  The second engine is a TR4 engine which had an already rebuilt head.  That engine is at the rebuilder, getting 89 mm pistons, mild cam, lightened flywheel, Pertronix, etc.  The car will have 6.5? wheels, upgraded suspension, etc., fog lights instead of a front bumper, and maybe a leather strap for the hood.

It was, and will stay, a Texas car, is in great shape, and the window sticker (which I am preserving) is from 1972 so I suspect it?s been off the road that long.  Its pretty original with blue interior and came with an ashtray!!

Here is the model I?m working toward:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLUKlP1iHkE


From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allen Hess
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 1:28 PM
To: triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Seat belts

In this case I?m not sure that I would be concerned with originality. A hook and eye bolt is I think, more common. It may have been dealer installed. What car is this?


From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: [TR] Seat belts
Date: January 22, 2024 at 7:20:10?PM EST
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Anyone know where i can get new belts that fit this?
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jan 26 10:44:43 2024
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:44:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] stag windows / galss
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEsO1tfgfO4Tk-9_7mmd7i9NXJERjfAZakZWpkK=Jaj=A@mail.gmail.com>

Some Fed. Stag owners say their cars have non-tinted windows and some have
tinted.
Were tinted windows an option?
Were tinted windows an option with a package? Two of my Stags were fitted
with factory AC and both of them were fitted with tinted windows.

Sujit


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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Mon Jan 29 14:43:51 2024
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 14:43:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] stag windows / glass
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEsO1tfgfO4Tk-9_7mmd7i9NXJERjfAZakZWpkK=Jaj=A@mail.gmail.com>
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Sujit,

 

Tinted windows were fitted to A/C option vehicles.  I believe the Graphics Catalog confirms that.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Friday, January 26, 2024 10:45 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] stag windows / galss

 

Some Fed. Stag owners say their cars have non-tinted windows and some have tinted.

Were tinted windows an option? 

Were tinted windows an option with a package? Two of my Stags were fitted with factory AC and both of them were fitted with tinted windows.

 

Sujit




 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 14:50:17 2024
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 13:50:17 -0800
Subject: [TR] stag windows / glass
In-Reply-To: <000601da52fc$4177d6e0$c46784a0$@triumphstagclub.org>
References: <CANLCLaEsO1tfgfO4Tk-9_7mmd7i9NXJERjfAZakZWpkK=Jaj=A@mail.gmail.com>
 <000601da52fc$4177d6e0$c46784a0$@triumphstagclub.org>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFMgQnBz00b-CafgZ=QMDvMyx-epGCNoxg5rWWN5RuS8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Glenn,
I assumed something like that, but I have a non-AC Stag and it also has
tinted windows.
Regards, Sujit

On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 1:44?PM <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> wrote:

> Sujit,
>
>
>
> Tinted windows were fitted to A/C option vehicles.  I believe the Graphics
> Catalog confirms that.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Friday, January 26, 2024 10:45 AM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] stag windows / galss
>
>
>
> Some Fed. Stag owners say their cars have non-tinted windows and some have
> tinted.
>
> Were tinted windows an option?
>
> Were tinted windows an option with a package? Two of my Stags were fitted
> with factory AC and both of them were fitted with tinted windows.
>
>
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
>
>

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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Jan 30 12:18:27 2024
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 13:18:27 -0600
Subject: [TR] A bit of an anorak question for the list -- sidescreen
 radiator overflow bottles in-period?
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAjaHohrGQvFacnue9z-2Ed0ZOPxZvtoMEFndN08-JQew@mail.gmail.com>

As part of a discussion I'm having with a TR friend in Europe, we're
thinking about what we know regarding radiator overflow bottles and
sidescreen cars.

My understanding is that they were never fitted from the factory, but they
might have been fitted by dealers and/or early owners to keep coolant from
puking from the overflow hose.

Certainly my TR3B had an ooold radiator overflow bottle fitted to it when I
got the car in 1981.  It seems to be the contemporary TR4 bottle on my car.

Here's that original bottle alongside the car's original windscreen washer
bottle.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zJv7Htg/0/39ff9135/X5/i-zJv7Htg-X5.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-wHHWhnf/0/a051e9f7/X5/i-wHHWhnf-X5.jpg

Anyone have any thoughts here?
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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Jan 30 13:32:59 2024
From: cak at dimebank.com (Christopher A Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2024 12:32:59 -0800
Subject: [TR] live axle TR4A needs a new home
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1706641202.30712.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I received this (along with a couple of photos that I won't post here, 
but let me know if you want to see them), presumably because I'm the VTR 
Consultant for TR4A.

Please contact Ray directly; I don't know anything about the car beyond 
this. Looks pretty rough.

...

?I have a complete 1967 TR4A that I am willing to give to a good home. I 
need my garage back and I have done most disassembly and cleaning. Like 
I said it is free for whoever wants to come get it. I am trying to get 
it to someone that understands what it is and wants to get it back to 
its former glory. I am a retired disabled veteran and I just cannot do 
it. Please respond if you want it and I will try to find the title but I 
can do a bill of sale for $1.00 if needed because it is so old. Just to 
be honest the body is rough, the frame is whole but will probably need 
the back section replaced to be safe and the rest of it sat outside in 
VA for a while. See attached pictures of it and please make inquiries to 
Ray at (252) 269-2157.

Raymond Webb <skidkid269 at ec.rr.com>

From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Jan 31 14:09:26 2024
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 14:09:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] '71 versus '73-'76 temp gauge
Message-ID: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>

My old '71 TR6 had an aftermarket "alcohol" gauge. My schematic show an 
electric gauge for all years. Moss shows replacements from '73 onward. 
Were the gauge face and size the same for all models? Moss has no 
explanation why the "71 and "72 are not offered.. Anyone with a 
definitive answer?? Dave P Albuq.

-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Jan 31 14:22:49 2024
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 14:22:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] '71 versus '73-'76 temp gauge
In-Reply-To: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
References: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
Message-ID: <f3a9a9d0-3e67-41b4-9079-61108c89c43f@porterscustom.com>

... the old catalogs show a white or maybe gold background color.. Mine 
are all black.. so I'll order the '73 on version, unless someone thinks 
this is all wrong..

On 1/31/2024 2:09 PM, David P wrote:
> My old '71 TR6 had an aftermarket "alcohol" gauge. My schematic show 
> an electric gauge for all years. Moss shows replacements from '73 
> onward. Were the gauge face and size the same for all models? Moss has 
> no explanation why the "71 and "72 are not offered.. Anyone with a 
> definitive answer?? Dave P Albuq.
>
-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 87107 ph 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From pebarnes71 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 31 17:50:04 2024
From: pebarnes71 at gmail.com (Philip Barnes)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 19:50:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] '71 versus '73-'76 temp gauge
In-Reply-To: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
References: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
Message-ID: <CANxnku2kteyOU1Bai7ZA-xhucCjRBn6d9Ceb-3eo+2HeAKft9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Be aware that later gauges were "bottom pivot" with chrome bezels, as
opposed to "top pivot" with black bezels.

--Phil Barnes

On Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 6:14 PM David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:

> My old '71 TR6 had an aftermarket "alcohol" gauge. My schematic show an
> electric gauge for all years. Moss shows replacements from '73 onward.
> Were the gauge face and size the same for all models? Moss has no
> explanation why the "71 and "72 are not offered.. Anyone with a
> definitive answer?? Dave P Albuq.
>
> --
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> 505-352-1378  My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 31 19:14:13 2024
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2024 02:14:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] '71 versus '73-'76 temp gauge
In-Reply-To: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
References: <43067130-3a3a-4e8b-acd8-d1b5bf9d158b@porterscustom.com>
Message-ID: <2054341052.3796979.1706753653930@mail.yahoo.com>

The gauge faces all changed for 73.? They all are the same size and work the same but the earlier gauges pivot at the bottom whereas the later gauges pivot at the top and the color scheme changed.? It will work fine but it will not match the other gauges.
Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 04:57:53 PM CST, David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:  
 
 My old '71 TR6 had an aftermarket "alcohol" gauge. My schematic show an 
electric gauge for all years. Moss shows replacements from '73 onward. 
Were the gauge face and size the same for all models? Moss has no 
explanation why the "71 and "72 are not offered.. Anyone with a 
definitive answer?? Dave P Albuq.

-- 
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From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 13:34:09 2024
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 12:34:09 -0800
Subject: [TR] Advice on TR6 suspension
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I hope this is the right forum for a ?Please help? email.

On my TR6, my left front tire rubs on hard right turns and bumps in the road (especially at speed).  Tire size is 205 70 15 and I have spacer in each front spring.  During a recent drive, my son was able to get a photo of the car head on and it does have a minor lean to the driver side.  My first guess is that the springs are original and compressed.  I have attached photos of both the left and right spring showing the bottom 3 coils pretty much totally compressed.  If you look closely, the spacer is about 1/2 up the spring.

Am I correct that the proper order to solve the problem would be new springs and spring packing (polyurethane) - goodparts.com looks like they have a good solution.  Beyond new springs would be changing some of the suspension pieces to allow more room but I?m hoping that won?t be necessary.  I might be able to get away with adding another spacer but springs seem like a better, long term solution.

Am I going in the right direction.

Thanks to all for comments and suggestions.

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From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Mon Jan 29 18:22:21 2024
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 17:22:21 -0800
Subject: [TR] Advice on TR6 suspension
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Paul,
Hope these are the right numbers.  I couldn?t get a tape inside the spring so measured from top to a center point on the spring and bottom to the same point.  Passenger side measured 6.5 inches, driver side 7.5 inches.  Top of wheel well to floor - passenger side 28 3/8, driver side 27 1/8.  Odd showing shorter spring length but slightly longer from wheel well to floor.  As far as I know, no front end damage, tires not showing any odd ware after 10,000 miles (aligned tires when they were last replaced).  

Goodparts.com <http://goodparts.com/> shows spring length of 8 7/8 inches (390 lb spring rate), rimmerbros.com <http://rimmerbros.com/> is 10.35 inches (330 lbs spring rate) and a lowered spring at 9.33 inches (420 lb spring rate), Moss Motors has several options but they do not list spring height, nothing at bpnorthwest.com <http://bpnorthwest.com/>.

Now getting way out into the ether - found a formula for spring compression, Fitted length = free length - (fitted load/spring rate).  Fitted load is the hard number to determine.  Using some numbers from the internet , a TR6 is 2,500 lbs with 48.2% on the front.  That would be 1,205 lbs on the front (note, saw number of 718 pounds for Spitfire).  Using these numbers:

Goodparts:  8.875 -(1205/390) = 5.785  - shorter than the existing springs
Rimmer standard:  10.35 - (1205/330) =  6.7 - pretty close to existing springs
Rimmer lowered:  9.33 - (1205/420) = 6.46 inches

Using the 6.7 number, similar to current ride but would new springs compress less on bumps and cornering.  Also, is the 1,205 weight in the ballpark.  And last thought - the current springs have a 1.5 inch spacer so they really are compress more than the numbers show.  I?m guessing that they are offering little resistance to bumps etc.

Last, Alan has used the goodparts springs with minimal rubbing.  His tire size is 205/60/15 vs. the 205/70/15 on mine.  That gives me about .8 inches more of sidewall height.

Have I confused the issue too much?  Get some springs and see if that does the job?  Seems like the standard springs from Rimmer would work the best.

Thanks,
Frank







> On Jan 29, 2024, at 1:43?PM, Paul Kromhout <pkromhout at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Frank,
> If those photos are with the car at rest on its wheels, you may be right about the springs.  Take a measurement (have one of your in-house experts do it) on each side from the outside part of the spring pan ( lower plate upon which the spring rests) to the top of the housing for the spring. You?ll need to get a tape up inside the spring to do it.
> Also, measure from the highest part of the wheel arches on the fenders to the deck.
> 
> I?ll duplicate on mine and report.  If yours are short, I?d recommend getting some stock springs rather than ?uprated? springs.  Why do you have the spacers?  Has your front end (suspension) been checked for alignment/ ever been hit?
> Best,
> Paul
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 29, 2024, at 12:36?PM, Frank Burkhart <islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I hope this is the right forum for a ?Please help? email.
>> 
>> On my TR6, my left front tire rubs on hard right turns and bumps in the road (especially at speed).  Tire size is 205 70 15 and I have spacer in each front spring.  During a recent drive, my son was able to get a photo of the car head on and it does have a minor lean to the driver side.  My first guess is that the springs are original and compressed.  I have attached photos of both the left and right spring showing the bottom 3 coils pretty much totally compressed.  If you look closely, the spacer is about 1/2 up the spring.
>> 
>> Am I correct that the proper order to solve the problem would be new springs and spring packing (polyurethane) - goodparts.com looks like they have a good solution.  Beyond new springs would be changing some of the suspension pieces to allow more room but I?m hoping that won?t be necessary.  I might be able to get away with adding another spacer but springs seem like a better, long term solution.
>> 
>> Am I going in the right direction.
>> 
>> Thanks to all for comments and suggestions.
>> 
>> <Front springs.pdf>
> 

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