From tfansher at comcast.net  Fri Sep  1 08:37:21 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 10:37:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
Message-ID: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>

Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?  
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4

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From tfansher at comcast.net  Fri Sep  1 09:53:37 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 11:53:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
Message-ID: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>



Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?  
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4

Sent from my iPhone

From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 11:09:42 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 12:09:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
In-Reply-To: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
References: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aaVdYrm4VzYB-5G+jcuNNMJiyCFGPtgaMfHa_xYvJu=GA@mail.gmail.com>

I have done a few, if the windshield is in that is the hard part, try a
lubricant that easily cleans or dries off, soapy water, window cleaner.
Warm sun will soften the rubber too if you are working somewhere cool.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 11:46 AM Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed
> plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black
> rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250
> or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3
> 62 TR4
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Fri Sep  1 13:07:02 2023
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 14:07:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
In-Reply-To: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
References: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAOp9YTKNL9khnW5oZupt+DSEK-gC-0jhpWKDHMcagat2iy=K1w@mail.gmail.com>

Moss and most of the other suppliers sell a tool that is supposed to help
make the job a bit easier. If you search on ?windshield weatherstrip
beading tool? you should find it. I cludged together something similar from
bits I had laying around in the shop when I did mine. It was a fiddly job,
but with patience, it goes in.  As I recall, a bit of soapy water helped.

Good luck!
Mike


On Fri, Sep 1, 2023 at 12:17 PM Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed
> plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black
> rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250
> or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3
> 62 TR4
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Sep  1 14:20:38 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 20:20:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1368717202.3883682.1693599638100@mail.yahoo.com>

Have you tried soapy water?? Vaseline?? KY Jelly?? (Don't laugh, friend use KY Jelly to install a windshield in a TR3 frame and swears by it.)

Dave 


 

    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 02:41:19 PM CDT, Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 

Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?? Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?? 
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Fri Sep  1 14:40:22 2023
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 15:40:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>

What I found to be very useful on my GT6, which has the same windshield, 
is the Gunson trim tool.? It is available from various sources.

I spend several hours over the course of a week trying to get the trim 
in using various methods. Once I used this, it took me about 1/2 hour.


Roger Elliott

On 9/1/2023 10:53 AM, Tom Fansher wrote:
>
> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3
> 62 TR4
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Fri Sep  1 14:50:48 2023
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 16:50:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1Mk0iC-1pwXkP1cwC-00kQxc@mrelay.perfora.net>

I used liquid dishwashing soap and lots of thumb pressure

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: Tom Fansher
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 3:28 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>; dave n
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.



Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?  
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Fri Sep  1 16:12:37 2023
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 17:12:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
 <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <99d978c7-5b94-497b-8780-b352a67aaa12@rmi.net>

What I found to be very useful on my GT6, which has the same windshield, 
is the Gunson trim tool.? It is available from various sources.

I spend several hours over the course of a week trying to get the trim 
in using various methods. Once I used this, it took me about 1/2 hour.

Second try

Roger Elliott

> On 9/1/2023 10:53 AM, Tom Fansher wrote:
>> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
>> TIA
>> Tom Fansher
>> 61 TR3
>> 62 TR4
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Fri Sep  1 20:21:15 2023
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 21:21:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <99d978c7-5b94-497b-8780-b352a67aaa12@rmi.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
 <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>
 <99d978c7-5b94-497b-8780-b352a67aaa12@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <f8877720-29ed-4839-826f-16e5d9e2151d@rmi.net>

What I found to be very useful on my GT6, which has the same windshield, 
is the Gunson trim tool.? It is available from various sources.

I spend several hours over the course of a week trying to get the trim 
in using various methods. Once I used this, it took me about 1/2 hour.

Third try without attachment.? Here is link: 
https://www.gunson.co.uk/Product/77136/Windscreen-Installation-Tool-Set

Roger Elliott
>
>> On 9/1/2023 10:53 AM, Tom Fansher wrote:
>>> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the 
>>> chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove 
>>> in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any 
>>> suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?? Stuff cord into the groove 
>>> and apply heat?
>>> TIA
>>> Tom Fansher
>>> 61 TR3
>>> 62 TR4
>>>
>>>

From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Sep  1 20:38:02 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2023 20:38:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
In-Reply-To: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
References: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f7f31ac7-705c-7127-a9bd-a9653c49e0b4@bradakis.com>

On 9/1/23 8:37 AM, Tom Fansher wrote:
>  Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?

Actually the windshield is identical to roundtail Spits and GT6s as well.

mjb.



From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  2 05:38:30 2023
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 11:38:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <894405599.4048723.1693654710837@mail.yahoo.com>

 Just tap it in with a rubber mallet.? I've done a bunch over the years that way.
Chad in Tulsa
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 02:36:45 PM CDT, Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 

Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?? Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?? 
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Sep  2 06:22:15 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 08:22:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield trim question.
In-Reply-To: <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>
References: <39FA1B51-4AC1-4272-9578-FBE3EAF0F1DF@comcast.net>
 <08dd247d-3b05-421f-9733-11f84304756c@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <15f07180-59e1-7b15-1d12-6ff9ac4f50ff@verizon.net>

coax cable.... works wonders to expose the groove the trim goes in......
https://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/75w_sstrim.htm

ptegler


On 9/1/2023 4:40 PM, Roger Elliott wrote:
>
> What I found to be very useful on my GT6, which has the same 
> windshield, is the Gunson trim tool.? It is available from various 
> sources.
>
> I spend several hours over the course of a week trying to get the trim 
> in using various methods. Once I used this, it took me about 1/2 hour.
>
>
> Roger Elliott
>
> On 9/1/2023 10:53 AM, Tom Fansher wrote:
>> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
>> TIA
>> Tom Fansher
>> 61 TR3
>> 62 TR4
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Sep  2 07:45:41 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 09:45:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
Message-ID: <003001d9dda3$c398a970$4ac9fc50$@bell.net>

. and a few judiciously placed whacks with a rubber hammer can assist .
along with Greg's suggestions. Make sure the insertion edge is lined up
exactly and start with gentle taps.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

World of Triumph  <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/>
https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: Greg Lemon grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>  
Sent: Friday, September 1, 2023 1:10 PM
To: Tom Fansher tfansher at comcast.net <mailto:tfansher at comcast.net> 
Cc: Andrew Uprichard triumphs at autox.team.net
<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR250 windshield install

 

I have done a few, if the windshield is in that is the hard part, try a
lubricant that easily cleans or dries off, soapy water, window cleaner.
Warm sun will soften the rubber too if you are working somewhere cool.

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 11:46 AM Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net
<mailto:tfansher at comcast.net> > wrote:

Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed
plastic finisher. It doesn't want to "slip" into the groove in the black
rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250 or
Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?  
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3
62 TR4



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From alansalvy at gmail.com  Sun Sep  3 01:04:43 2023
From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 03:04:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
In-Reply-To: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
References: <39AC8330-0691-486E-B66A-46070D749BD5@comcast.net>
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I use Windex and lightly use a rubber hammer to push the trim strip in.

On Fri, Sep 1, 2023, 12:50 PM Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:

> Ok helping a buddy. The windshield is installed and now for the chromed
> plastic finisher. It doesn?t want to ?slip? into the groove in the black
> rubber glazing. The groove is REALLY tight. Any suggestions from TR4, 250
> or Tr6 guys?  Stuff cord into the groove and apply heat?
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3
> 62 TR4
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  3 21:45:08 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2023 22:45:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 windshield install
In-Reply-To: <CAAAEehQ4MshKdjbaZVO8Zg13F6fkbpm1U9wJzK3e+Zj7DeYpLQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Mon Sep  4 10:08:45 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 12:08:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
Message-ID: <296604100.284836.1693843725978@connect.xfinity.com>

I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable shop.
 
I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.  
 
In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD re-engages.
 
In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be..
 
I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a lift and do the work from below if it were feasible.
 
I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is necessary.
 
Any advice/experience with this sort of issue?
 
-Tony
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  4 13:42:47 2023
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:42:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
In-Reply-To: <296604100.284836.1693843725978@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <296604100.284836.1693843725978@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <BL3PR10MB6211ABE7CF6C5E6AEFED53BFB9E9A@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Tony-

The 3rd gear issue should be pretty easy since 4th gear works and it is the same switch for both of them.  Sounds like the isolation switch just needs to be threaded in slightly more so that the switch closes when in 3rd.  Shouldn't take much.

The 2nd gear could be the same issue IF you have an isolation switch installed.. if the switch is missing it means the top cover has to come off and disassembled to be able to drill and tap for a switch.  May not be worth it.

Possibly the wiring could be wrong for the 2nd gear setup though I can envision what that would take.  Probably worth taking the car up on the lift to see if you can figure it out from below but most times the gearbox cover will come off for this kind of work.

Cheers
Randy
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, September 4, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions

I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable shop.

I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.

In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD re-engages.

In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be..

I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a lift and do the work from below if it were feasible.

I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is necessary.

Any advice/experience with this sort of issue?

-Tony
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 13:43:14 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 15:43:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
In-Reply-To: <296604100.284836.1693843725978@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <296604100.284836.1693843725978@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CADK3t974OjTKo5wkQCd+5X=HtX4_8kxmoXQjo7PLdeJodvJP+g@mail.gmail.com>

First off, 3rd and 4th gear use the same isolator switch but a different
actuator shoe on the shaft. It
could need to be a little tighter for third gear. OR sometimes the rubber
shift boot bunches up where
the shifter shaft hits in the front and doesn't go as far.
It also needs another switch for 2nd gear. Perhaps they used a tranny top
for a J OD which doesn't
have a switch for 2nd gear. OR the 2nd gear switch doesn't work.

Dean T.


On Mon, Sep 4, 2023 at 2:43?PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:

> I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted
> specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable
> shop.
>
> I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.
>
> In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears
> that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter
> forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in
> 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD
> re-engages.
>
> In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission
> after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator
> switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be..
>
> I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will
> make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a
> simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a
> lift and do the work from below if it were feasible.
>
> I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is
> necessary.
>
> Any advice/experience with this sort of issue?
>
> -Tony
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Mon Sep  4 13:52:58 2023
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 12:52:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
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Sure seems like it is a poor adjustment of the isolator switches. It is easy enough to adjust them but you will have to take the trans cover off to get to them, I don?t believe there is any way to do it from underneath. Your top cover may not have a the hole for a cut out switch, you would have to drill and tap it to install one. 

 

Bob

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Rhodes
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2023 9:09 AM
To: Triumphs List
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions

 

I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable shop. 

  

I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.   

  

In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD re-engages. 

  

In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be.. 

  

I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a lift and do the work from below if it were feasible. 

  

I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is necessary. 

  

Any advice/experience with this sort of issue? 

  

-Tony 

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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Mon Sep  4 14:19:34 2023
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 16:19:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
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I do believe (haven?t checked the manual) that the isolator switches on top of the gearbox have paper washer shims to adjust the on/off of the switch. There should be a 2nd gear switch and if you have backup lights, one on reverse. So I think you do have to pull the trans cover.

Allen

> 
> I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable shop.
>  
> I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.  
>  
> In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD re-engages.
>  
> In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be..
>  
> I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a lift and do the work from below if it were feasible.
>  
> I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is necessary.
>  
> Any advice/experience with this sort of issue?
>  
> -Tony
> 
> 
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Mon Sep  4 15:00:38 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:00:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
In-Reply-To: <2133542175.309711.1693856030343@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <2133542175.309711.1693856030343@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <E08E0306-19FB-4A21-A871-7EADD16FD235@comcast.net>

I am hoping that the top was drilled properly.  But it makes me wonder when it can be made to go in and out of OD by pressing the shifter slightly forward and backward all while in 3rd gear. 

It almost strikes be as if the drill hole is a little too far forward?..????   Could that actually be the case?   I have no idea because I don?t know the precise shape and positioning of whatever it is on the selector that triggers the switch.

-Tony


> 
> On Sep 4, 2023, at 3:34 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> P.S. I?m assuming that the top cover was properly milled, drilled and tapped for the switches


From spamiam at comcast.net  Mon Sep  4 15:13:31 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:13:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR10MB6211ABE7CF6C5E6AEFED53BFB9E9A@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Randy, thanks for the info. It would be wonderful if I could get my fingers onto the 3rd/4th switch from below to see if it has unscrewed itself a tiny amount somehow.

Same for verifying the PRESENCE of the 2nd gear switch.  

Thought to DO anything about it seems as if it will require pulling the interior.  

I am assuming the shop that did the removal and install will be willing to make this right.   And the shop that did the transmission could deal with the  control top, I suppose maybe without the need to pull the whole transmission??  

-Tony

> 
> On Sep 4, 2023, at 3:43 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tony-
> 
> The 3rd gear issue should be pretty easy since 4th gear works and it is the same switch for both of them.  Sounds like the isolation switch just needs to be threaded in slightly more so that the switch closes when in 3rd.  Shouldn't take much.
> 
> The 2nd gear could be the same issue IF you have an isolation switch installed.. if the switch is missing it means the top cover has to come off and disassembled to be able to drill and tap for a switch.  May not be worth it.
> 
> Possibly the wiring could be wrong for the 2nd gear setup though I can envision what that would take.  Probably worth taking the car up on the lift to see if you can figure it out from below but most times the gearbox cover will come off for this kind of work.
> 
> Cheers
> Randy
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Mon Sep  4 18:43:49 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David Porter)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2023 18:43:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] A-type OD questions
Message-ID: <xeht1qk62a6gc2fct84dwwlk.1693874629336@email.android.com>

Install a thinner washer. Generally fixes that symptom. DP

On September 4, 2023, at 6:37 PM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:

I am hoping that the top was drilled properly.  But it makes me wonder when it can be made to go in and out of OD by pressing the shifter slightly forward and backward all while in 3rd gear. 

It almost strikes be as if the drill hole is a little too far forward?..????   Could that actually be the case?   I have no idea because I don?t know the precise shape and positioning of whatever it is on the selector that triggers the switch.

-Tony


> 
> On Sep 4, 2023, at 3:34 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> P.S. I?m assuming that the top cover was properly milled, drilled and tapped for the switches

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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  4 19:00:29 2023
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:00:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 154
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Tony,

Wishing all is well.

 If it is the switch the work is from ABOVE. However if you are moving the shifter it could be an issue with that rod.

  Do you have a fiberglass transmission cover or the stock fiberboard. On the TR4a do both of your seats bolt to rails with a pair of bolts in the front of each seat. If your seats are such and you have a firm glass cover it should take ? hour to get the cover off. Oh ya then there is the dash support.


CHEERS
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I have had my TR4A transmission converted to an A-type OD by  noted specialist, and the removal/installation service was done by a reputable shop.

I just got it back and the OD seems to work perfectly in 4th gear.

In Third, It will work for a short time, then goes out of OD.  It appears that it is related to the isolator switch.  If I gently push the shifter forward, it stays in OD just fine.  If I pull it back slightly (still in 3rd), it does out of OD, and when I push it slightly forward again, OD re-engages.

In second gear, it does not ever engage OD. I did not see the transmission after the conversion, so I do not know IF there is a 2nd gear isolator switch.  But, I think there OUGHT to be..

I picked up the car at the end of last week, and I am sure the shops will make good on a perfectly functioning OD.  But I want to know if this is a simple adjustment issue.  Maybe I can do it myself.  I can get the car on a lift and do the work from below if it were feasible.

I would rather not pull the interior to access the top, but maybe it is necessary.

Any advice/experience with this sort of issue?

-Tony
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Sep 13 09:25:40 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:25:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] FW: rover engine
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We just picked up a car with this Rover engine.



Our next step is to thoroughly clean the bottom and try to discover the source of an oil leak



I know TR engines have "the usual places" for oil leaks.   Is that the same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.



We think it is a Range Rover/Discovery efi auto 9.35:1 from 1988 onwards according to this:  https://rimmerbros.com/c/Rover-V8-Engine-Numbers



It is hooked up to a Muncie 4 speed and has a carburetor sitting on top so its not fuel injection.
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Wed Sep 13 13:17:07 2023
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 15:17:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] 1958 Standard Vanguard Phase III - Restoration
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When watching the Goodwood Revival saloon race, Karun Chandhok ex F1 driver, was racing a Standard Vanguard. https://goodwoodnews.com/1QLU-8EFN2-WLHHR0-590TGJ-1/c.aspx
I needed to confirm to myself that it was our favorite 4 cylinder wet liner engine. So I ran across this link of a Standard Vanguard restoration in Calcutta. 

https://www.team-bhp.com/forum/post-war/168366-1958-standard-vanguard-phase-iii-restoration.html

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From hdrider570 at att.net  Wed Sep 13 14:31:32 2023
From: hdrider570 at att.net (Edward Hamer)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 20:31:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] Ref: Rover engine
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I have a 3.9 liter engine from a Discovery in my P6.  It is a fairy oil tight design.  I did replace the oilpan gasket, rear main seal, and valve cover gaskets while the engine was out of the car.  Almost no leakage in the last 10,000 miles.

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Sep 13 14:46:04 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 21:46:04 +0100
Subject: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?
Message-ID: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>

Dave Northrup wrote:



I know TR engines have "the usual places" for oil leaks.   Is that the same
for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.



Let's put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks prior to
Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably
didn't leak - or leak very much.



However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it *should* have been
fitted with the fully type approved BL EOSS kit - the abbreviation stands
for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my knowledge,
every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents before that)
leaked oil  and even when they weren't running! We Brits always like to give
our valued export customers an unanticipated 'little extra' if we can as a
loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description, there appears to be
little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed thus equipped and
furthermore, the 'technology' in question still seems to be in excellent
working order!



Good luck



Jonmac

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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 14 08:15:52 2023
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 09:15:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?
In-Reply-To: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
References: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAE16_w3WWR1BF+rJ45ADsQbfiLORTUg6=LrEnOtgNzfEmncJog@mail.gmail.com>

Sir Bentley Haynes?

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023 at 4:01?PM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> Dave Northrup wrote:
>
>
>
> *I know TR engines have ?the usual places? for oil leaks.   Is that the
> same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.*
>
>
>
> Let?s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks prior to
> Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably
> didn?t leak ? or leak very much.
>
>
>
> However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it **should** have
> been fitted with the fully type approved *BL EOSS* kit ? the abbreviation
> stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my
> knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents
> before that) leaked oil  and even when they weren?t running! We Brits
> always like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated ?little
> extra? if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description,
> there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed
> thus equipped and furthermore, the ?technology? in question still seems to
> be in excellent working order!
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
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>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 07:32:29 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 08:32:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?
In-Reply-To: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
References: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3ab+JdduZ_tABVxU=naCwC2aWFGGktvme-pHCiE=pyUSDA@mail.gmail.com>

Jonmac,

In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the
British car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty
around the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.  Regular use of
the car would keep the central chassis rust free.

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 3:58 PM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> Dave Northrup wrote:
>
>
>
> *I know TR engines have ?the usual places? for oil leaks.   Is that the
> same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.*
>
>
>
> Let?s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks prior to
> Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably
> didn?t leak ? or leak very much.
>
>
>
> However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it **should** have
> been fitted with the fully type approved *BL EOSS* kit ? the abbreviation
> stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my
> knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents
> before that) leaked oil  and even when they weren?t running! We Brits
> always like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated ?little
> extra? if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description,
> there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed
> thus equipped and furthermore, the ?technology? in question still seems to
> be in excellent working order!
>
>
>
> Good luck
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
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>
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Sep 15 07:57:13 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:57:13 +0100
Subject: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3ab+JdduZ_tABVxU=naCwC2aWFGGktvme-pHCiE=pyUSDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
 <CAFtw3ab+JdduZ_tABVxU=naCwC2aWFGGktvme-pHCiE=pyUSDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C87372E2-7BC8-445B-BF53-4CD33160F5C0@gmx.com>

Greg,

Only this morning was I at a farm where my wife and I keep our trailer home. The farm is bang opposite a former WW2 airfield that was decommissioned in 1947 and used as a transit car park to store new Triumph?s prior to shipment to wherever. That?s where the rust started. I well recall Saturday mornings in the 60s at Honeybourne doing stock checks and looking for cars the delivery companies had ?lost?. Happy days but fiendishly cold in winter as the rain falls horizontally there - and always has :)

Jonmac

> On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:32, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jonmac,
> 
> In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the British car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty around the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.  Regular use of the car would keep the central chassis rust free.
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 3:58 PM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> Dave Northrup wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I know TR engines have ?the usual places? for oil leaks.   Is that the same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Let?s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks prior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably didn?t leak ? or leak very much.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it *should* have been fitted with the fully type approved BL EOSS kit ? the abbreviation stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents before that) leaked oil  and even when they weren?t running! We Brits always like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated ?little extra? if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description, there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed thus equipped and furthermore, the ?technology? in question still seems to be in excellent working order!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Good luck
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
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>> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Sep 15 09:49:17 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 15:49:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?
In-Reply-To: <C87372E2-7BC8-445B-BF53-4CD33160F5C0@gmx.com>
References: <000001d9e683$54b9fe80$fe2dfb80$@gmx.com>
 <CAFtw3ab+JdduZ_tABVxU=naCwC2aWFGGktvme-pHCiE=pyUSDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <C87372E2-7BC8-445B-BF53-4CD33160F5C0@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <ec76d46eed454921b0307f3b3d4e0cc2@ranteer.com>

Jonmac ?

What is at the former airfield now?

Dave N

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2023 8:57 AM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] A Rover V8 engine?

Greg,

Only this morning was I at a farm where my wife and I keep our trailer home. The farm is bang opposite a former WW2 airfield that was decommissioned in 1947 and used as a transit car park to store new Triumph?s prior to shipment to wherever. That?s where the rust started. I well recall Saturday mornings in the 60s at Honeybourne doing stock checks and looking for cars the delivery companies had ?lost?. Happy days but fiendishly cold in winter as the rain falls horizontally there - and always has :)

Jonmac

On 15 Sep 2023, at 14:32, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com<mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>> wrote:
Jonmac,

In the Midwestern portion of the United States we called the EOSS kit the British car rust control system, as the cars were inevitably pretty crusty around the edges, but greasy and rust free in the middle.  Regular use of the car would keep the central chassis rust free.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 3:58 PM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:

Dave Northrup wrote:



I know TR engines have ?the usual places? for oil leaks.   Is that the same for Rover engines?  This is a whole new area for me.



Let?s put it this way, Dave. When that engine was used in Buicks prior to Rover buying the manufacturing rights for the Range Rover, it probably didn?t leak ? or leak very much.



However, as soon as it entered production at Solihull, it *should* have been fitted with the fully type approved BL EOSS kit ? the abbreviation stands for British Leyland Engine Oil Spray System. To the best of my knowledge, every engine made by BL group companies  (and as independents before that) leaked oil  and even when they weren?t running! We Brits always like to give our valued export customers an unanticipated ?little extra? if we can as a loyalty bonus. However, from your brief description, there appears to be little doubt the power unit in our focus was indeed thus equipped and furthermore, the ?technology? in question still seems to be in excellent working order!



Good luck



Jonmac
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From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Fri Sep 15 18:38:28 2023
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 19:38:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] These lists and old friends
Message-ID: <3A28049E-4EC2-4508-A0B8-AAABC6B5426E@gmail.com>

I joined the triumphs list 27 or 28 years ago and the FOT list at least 15 years ago.  I have to say, not only did that give me a great resource for advise and parts, but it also introduced me to several folks I now consider among my best friends.  I would never have had the patience to actually finish my TR3 without these lists. Thanks, guys and gals.

Lately, I have been ?downsizing? and generally de cluttering. While cleaning out the garage one of the physically biggest ?tools? laying around is the powder coating equipment. Moving it all around has brought on a bad case of nostalgia, particularly for my good old friend Fred Thomas (?ft?).  Fred and I (and several others) went together and purchased a large quantity of powder. 

Anyway, I would like to give something back to the lists.  I have a TIP?s brand blast cabinet, an old electric range, a Chicago Electric static generator, a LOT of powder (probably 20-30 lbs, more than a lifetime?s worth ?), various blast cabinet parts, nozzles, glass protectors, etc., a bag of blast media, a couple of rolls of high temperature masking tape and all the related stuff.  

No charge to any list member. The only catch is that it has to be f.o.b Charleston, Illinois (180 miles due south of Chicago).  It is much to bulking to ship but would be only a moderate pickup truck load. 

Please let me know if you are interested. I don?t mind storing it for a short period of time, but if no one here claims it soon, I will probably try to sell it locally. 

Blue skies, my friends. 

Ken Gano

Sent from my iPad

From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Sep 17 08:17:44 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 14:17:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
Message-ID: <a5c4f901117e4e07a1e472c652832edd@ranteer.com>

Was out in the TR6 yesterday.  Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation.  We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece.

Its much better than before but there's still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel.

Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc.

What have people done to mitigate this?
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Sep 17 09:05:30 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 11:05:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
In-Reply-To: <a5c4f901117e4e07a1e472c652832edd@ranteer.com>
References: <a5c4f901117e4e07a1e472c652832edd@ranteer.com>
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Hi Dave,
I have the same heat issue with my TR4A. I also have reflective insulation on the inside of the tunnel and there still is a lot of radiated heat on the passenger side which was repeatedly brought to my attention by my wife on our 6,400 mile trip out west last June. I just purchased some aluminum heat shield material off Amazon that I will try and install between the exhaust and the tunnel/ floor pan this winter. If it works, I will post some pictures.
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Was out in the TR6 yesterday.  Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation.  We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece.
>  
> Its much better than before but there?s still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel. 
>  
> Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc.
>  
> What have people done to mitigate this?
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sun Sep 17 14:20:47 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 21:20:47 +0100
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
Message-ID: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com>

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my
last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?



The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2
hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved
in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the
north end has long been converted into a private house.



Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it
used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and
Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used
for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres
with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked
by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group - always
assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free
carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle
movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used
for vehicle parking.



If you've ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you're
now looking at the location!



Jonmac

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sun Sep 17 17:47:45 2023
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (CFM-TR)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:47:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
In-Reply-To: <18E35F3B-312A-49C6-8226-E71D0526858D@fuse.net>
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I have foil backed insulation under the carpet pad & carpet and the heat shield material under the car. The tunnel still gets toasty but not nearly as bad as without either.  

 

The idea of a vent may be worth thinking about but you would need to pull air from somewhere other than below the engine area.  That heat is already flowing back through the tunnel to ?escape?.  Ideally, from somewhere in front of the engine, with the tube not getting close to the engine area &/or exhaust.

 

Good luck.

 

Carl 

1960 Triumph TR3

TS81802LO

Tampa, FL

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:06 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat

 

Hi Dave,

I have the same heat issue with my TR4A. I also have reflective insulation on the inside of the tunnel and there still is a lot of radiated heat on the passenger side which was repeatedly brought to my attention by my wife on our 6,400 mile trip out west last June. I just purchased some aluminum heat shield material off Amazon that I will try and install between the exhaust and the tunnel/ floor pan this winter. If it works, I will post some pictures.

Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

? 

Was out in the TR6 yesterday.  Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation.  We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece.

 

Its much better than before but there?s still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel.  

 

Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc. 

 

What have people done to mitigate this?

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Sep 17 18:48:33 2023
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:48:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
References: <708bc92f-fb70-9055-7b8c-ae249f71eaa9.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <708bc92f-fb70-9055-7b8c-ae249f71eaa9@att.net>

I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with 
good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped 
in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both 
sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years 
ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware 
store would have it.

It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission 
side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission 
tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and 
clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the 
various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place 
over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.

I also under-felt beneath the carpet throughout the interior.? It is a 
good quality carpet as well.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 17 21:15:56 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 22:15:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
In-Reply-To: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com>
References: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <706A59AD-49AE-4162-A49F-9B8A4AC4A543@yahoo.com>

Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 
Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:

?
Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
 
The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
 
Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
 
If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
 
Jonmac
<Honeybourne airfield.jpg>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 06:30:35 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:30:35 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
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I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3 
layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat. 
That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in 
decent condition.

On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:
> I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with 
> good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped 
> in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both 
> sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years 
> ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware 
> store would have it.
>
> It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission 
> side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission 
> tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and 
> clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the 
> various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place 
> over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.


From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 07:14:02 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:14:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
In-Reply-To: <447a9112-4a7a-150f-ac9c-d4bf6b57094a@gmail.com>
References: <708bc92f-fb70-9055-7b8c-ae249f71eaa9.ref@att.net>
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I have used the bubble insulation on my TR250 tunnel and floors and have no
noticeable cockpit heat coming in.

I will note I also did this to my old Healey 100, and it worked there to,
and the big Healeys have a much bigger cockpit heat problem than the old
TRs.  A roll at the big box hardware store should be $20 dollars or so.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 7:40 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3
> layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat.
> That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in
> decent condition.
>
> On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:
> > I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with
> > good results.  It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped
> > in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.  It is bright silver on both
> > sides.  I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years
> > ago.  Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware
> > store would have it.
> >
> > It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission
> > side of the tunnel).  I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission
> > tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and
> > clean.  I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the
> > various contours of the tunnel.  The foil on my TR4 has been in place
> > over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.
>
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Sep 18 07:55:22 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:55:22 +0100
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.

 

FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.

 

So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!

 

Jonmac

 

From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 

Bill

 

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills


On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>  wrote:

?

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?

 

The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 

 

Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.

 

If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!

 

Jonmac

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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon Sep 18 08:17:11 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:17:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
Message-ID: <FAF0F995-C8EB-46D3-A8B7-EE5B7EC4ADEB@comcast.net>

Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
?72 TR 6

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 18 09:29:03 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:29:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
In-Reply-To: <002101d9ea37$c88dd720$59a98560$@gmx.com>
References: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com>
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Love the cover, have never uploaded to Amazon but I bet they would be happy to help. 

All the best,

Bill

 

NB-Almost finished with ?In The Shadow Of My Father? very enjoyable.

 

From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com [mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 8:55 AM
To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.

 

FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.

 

So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!

 

Jonmac

 

From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Cc: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 

Bill

 

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills


On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>  wrote:

?

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?

 

The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 

 

Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.

 

If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!

 

Jonmac

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Sep 18 13:01:17 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:01:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran

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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
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Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
?72 TR 6
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 13:54:43 2023
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:54:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.


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On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Robert
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> Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels
> that are available?
> Bob
> ?72 TR 6
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Sep 18 13:57:49 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:57:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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On what car?


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Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.


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On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran

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To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
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?72 TR 6
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From coefront at shaw.ca  Mon Sep 18 14:55:30 2023
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Mike Coe)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:55:30 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161
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As a young boy living quite close to Biggin Hill Airdrome my pals and I were subject to a lot of fighter plane activity. As high up in the sky RAF / Nazi fighting. Even some low down Nazi chases my Father was subject to as being chased whilst on Air Warden ground duty. 
Hope Battle.of Britain was noted. 
Cheers......Mike. Calgary. Alberta. 


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3. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Q) 
4. Re: Rover V8 engine (bill beecher) 
5. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) 
6. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Greg Lemon) 
7. Re: Rover V8 engine (johnbmacartney at gmx.com) 
8. 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels (Rochlin Robert) 
9. Re: Rover V8 engine (Notakitcar) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 21:20:47 +0100 
From: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
To: <dave at ranteer.com> 
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine 
Message-ID: <007301d9e9a4$7524e1c0$5f6ea540$@gmx.com> 
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Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my 
last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use? 



The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 
hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved 
in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the 
north end has long been converted into a private house. 



Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it 
used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and 
Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used 
for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres 
with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked 
by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group - always 
assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free 
carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle 
movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used 
for vehicle parking. 



If you've ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you're 
now looking at the location! 



Jonmac 

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Message: 2 
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:47:45 -0400 
From: "CFM-TR" <cfmtr3a at verizon.net> 
To: "'Dave Connitt'" <dconnitt at fuse.net>, "'dave northrup'" 
<dave at ranteer.com> 
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat 
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I have foil backed insulation under the carpet pad & carpet and the heat shield material under the car. The tunnel still gets toasty but not nearly as bad as without either. 



The idea of a vent may be worth thinking about but you would need to pull air from somewhere other than below the engine area. That heat is already flowing back through the tunnel to ?escape?. Ideally, from somewhere in front of the engine, with the tube not getting close to the engine area &/or exhaust. 



Good luck. 



Carl 

1960 Triumph TR3 

TS81802LO 

Tampa, FL 



From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:06 AM 
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> 
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat 



Hi Dave, 

I have the same heat issue with my TR4A. I also have reflective insulation on the inside of the tunnel and there still is a lot of radiated heat on the passenger side which was repeatedly brought to my attention by my wife on our 6,400 mile trip out west last June. I just purchased some aluminum heat shield material off Amazon that I will try and install between the exhaust and the tunnel/ floor pan this winter. If it works, I will post some pictures. 

Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone 





On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote: 

? 

Was out in the TR6 yesterday. Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation. We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece. 



Its much better than before but there?s still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel. 



Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc. 



What have people done to mitigate this? 

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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:48:33 -0700 
From: Q <HDRider570 at att.net> 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat 
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I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with 
good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped 
in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both 
sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years 
ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware 
store would have it. 

It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission 
side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission 
tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and 
clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the 
various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place 
over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife. 

I also under-felt beneath the carpet throughout the interior.? It is a 
good quality carpet as well. 


Edward Hamer 

Petaluma CA 



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Message: 4 
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 22:15:56 -0500 
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com 
Cc: dave at ranteer.com, triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine 
Message-ID: <706A59AD-49AE-4162-A49F-9B8A4AC4A543 at yahoo.com> 
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Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 
Bill 

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills 

On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote: 

? 
Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use? 

The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 

Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking. 

If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location! 

Jonmac 
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:30:35 -0700 
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat 
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I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3 
layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat. 
That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in 
decent condition. 

On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote: 
> I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with 
> good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped 
> in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both 
> sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years 
> ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware 
> store would have it. 
> 
> It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission 
> side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission 
> tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and 
> clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the 
> various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place 
> over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife. 



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Message: 6 
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:14:02 -0500 
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> 
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat 
Message-ID: 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I have used the bubble insulation on my TR250 tunnel and floors and have no 
noticeable cockpit heat coming in. 

I will note I also did this to my old Healey 100, and it worked there to, 
and the big Healeys have a much bigger cockpit heat problem than the old 
TRs. A roll at the big box hardware store should be $20 dollars or so. 

Greg Lemon 
TR250 

On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 7:40 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
wrote: 

> I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3 
> layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat. 
> That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in 
> decent condition. 
> 
> On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote: 
> > I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with 
> > good results. It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped 
> > in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds. It is bright silver on both 
> > sides. I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years 
> > ago. Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware 
> > store would have it. 
> > 
> > It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission 
> > side of the tunnel). I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission 
> > tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and 
> > clean. I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the 
> > various contours of the tunnel. The foil on my TR4 has been in place 
> > over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife. 
> 
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:55:22 +0100 
From: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
To: "'bill beecher'" <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine 
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My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well. 



FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating. 



So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence! 



Jonmac 



From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM 
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com 
Cc: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine 



Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 

Bill 



?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills 


On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote: 

? 

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use? 



The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 



Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking. 



If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location! 



Jonmac 

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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:17:11 -0400 
From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> 
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels 
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Speaking of transmission tunnels. Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available? 
Bob 
?72 TR 6 

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Message: 9 
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:29:03 -0500 
From: "Notakitcar" <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
To: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine 
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Love the cover, have never uploaded to Amazon but I bet they would be happy to help. 

All the best, 

Bill 



NB-Almost finished with ?In The Shadow Of My Father? very enjoyable. 



From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com [mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 8:55 AM 
To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: RE: [TR] Rover V8 engine 



My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well. 



FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating. 



So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence! 



Jonmac 



From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com> > 
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM 
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Cc: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine 



Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history. 

Bill 



?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills 


On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote: 

? 

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use? 



The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 



Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking. 



If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location! 



Jonmac 

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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 18 17:22:19 2023
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 19:22:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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References: <FAF0F995-C8EB-46D3-A8B7-EE5B7EC4ADEB@comcast.net>
 <b1a88269abab4a15b977630461dfe4c4@ranteer.com>,
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Sorry, TR6.

On September 18, 2023 3:57:59 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> On what car?
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
> Date: 9/18/23 2:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
>
> Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.
>
>
>
> Virus-free.www.avg.com
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
>
> Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that 
> are available?
> Bob
> ?72 TR 6
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Tue Sep 19 07:16:25 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 09:16:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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Hey Guys,
	 Thanks for the replies.  I?m going to consider that two piece transmission tunnel the next time I have to remove the existing tunnel.  I have an ABS tunnel and, as you all know, it is a bear to remove/replace when I do any transmission work. 
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Sep 18, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry, TR6.
> 
> On September 18, 2023 3:57:59 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
>> On what car?
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
>> Date: 9/18/23 2:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
>> 
>> Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.
>> 
>> 
>>  <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail>	Virus-free.www.avg.com <http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <x-msg://1/#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>> On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
>>> I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
>>> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
>>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>> Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
>>> 
>>> Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
>>> Bob
>>> ?72 TR 6
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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Sep 19 18:30:12 2023
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2023 20:30:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] 62 Buick 215 oil / tranny/ diff leaks? NOPE
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So based on my years of British cars Affection, ownership, & 'British Perfume' Syndrome in my TR4, Early Jag E's, 90's Land Rover Discoverys; Rover V8 transplants in MGBs, etc ;I found in 2005 a 62? Buick Skylark Hi Performance Alum 215 Coupe (with Rochester 4GC 4 brrl) I said 'Why not the original engine in an original BOP car'.The car had 112,000 original miles and still ran great. It has the 2 spd 100# Alum?Transmission.?I now have 116000 totally depend able miles.The cylinder heads have NEVER been off..?The ONLY N0T OIL / Fluid leak I have had to deal with? in 18 years was from the original speedometer cable sheathing. Since I replaced the speedometer cable? (Whopping $14), I have hadNO fluid leaks at all.Buick used to advertise "When Better Cars are Built, Buick will Build Them".I've been a MOPAR guy since 1956 but this 62 Skylark has been a really Dependable 'Teacher's Hot Rod'. Few oil changes, lube jobs,? Tranny Differential fluid changes, Rear brake hoses &? lines, new rear wheel cylinders & new tires, Carb tweeking, Generator commutator cleaning, Engine Bay detailing-? all I've done.Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD and Goldvein VATR4EJag V122 Jensen Interceptors3 Jensen ( Healey) GTsMany Americans 36 Packsrd Straight 8, 56, 60s, 80s 90s 00s, -2015.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Sep 19 19:00:21 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:00:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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If/when I need to replace a tunnel I will consider it.  my current project is an early 59 TR3 which still has the metal tunnel in really good shape.

Trying to decide, though, if its worth it to pull the tunnel to insulate the inside.

I had this crazy idea of designing a 2 layer plastic tunnel with water lines in it and a radiator out front to cool it, using an electric fuel pump to run the water.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:16 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Hey Guys,
                Thanks for the replies.  I?m going to consider that two piece transmission tunnel the next time I have to remove the existing tunnel.  I have an ABS tunnel and, as you all know, it is a bear to remove/replace when I do any transmission work.
               Best,
               Bob
               ?72 TR6


On Sep 18, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com<mailto:bkahler1 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Sorry, TR6.


On September 18, 2023 3:57:59 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
On what car?


-------- Original message --------
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Date: 9/18/23 2:55 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.


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On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran

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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
?72 TR 6
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 20 03:46:14 2023
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 09:46:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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Bob-

I have one on my 70 TR6 and I like not having to remove the whole tunnel if I need to access the overdrive.  But my experience is the 2-piece kit does not fit an A type overdrive because of the right-angle speedo drive unless it is modified.  Clark and Clark sells an additional bump out piece to get it to fit, similar to what the factory did too.

Randy

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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
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Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Speaking of transmission tunnels.  Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Sep 20 06:28:06 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:28:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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Perhaps a cooling vest might make the warm tunnel more tolerable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-ME4uR-dj0
This one puts a bunch of stuff at the lower back making it unsuitable for driving, however there are many different models some of which will be more appropriate for driving..? 

Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 08:07:18 PM CDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
If/when I need to replace a tunnel I will consider it.? my current project is an early 59 TR3 which still has the metal tunnel in really good shape.
 
 ?
 
Trying to decide, though, if its worth it to pull the tunnel to insulate the inside.
 
 ?
 
I had this crazy idea of designing a 2 layer plastic tunnel with water lines in it and a radiator out front to cool it, using an electric fuel pump to run the water.
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfRochlin Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2023 8:16 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
 
 ?
 
Hey Guys,
 
?????????????? ?Thanks for the replies. ?I?m going to consider that two piece transmission tunnel the next time I have to remove the existing tunnel. ?I have an ABS tunnel and, as you all know, it is a bear to remove/replace when I do any transmission work.?
 
?????????????? Best,
 
?????????????? Bob
 
?????????????? ?72 TR6
 



 

On Sep 18, 2023, at 7:22 PM, Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com> wrote:
 
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Sorry, TR6.
 
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On September 18, 2023 3:57:59 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
 

On what car? 
 
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Date: 9/18/23 2:55 PM (GMT-06:00) 
 
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
 
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 
Subject: Re: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels 
 
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Dave, I have an A-type and the 2-piece sold by Clark's fits just fine.
 
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On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:26?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
 

I was going to but read that they don't fit over an overdrive tran

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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 9:17 AM
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Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels

Speaking of transmission tunnels.? Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
?72 TR 6
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Sep 22 07:19:04 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 13:19:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] red neck spark plug wire holder
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 11:18:14 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 12:18:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] red neck spark plug wire holder
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Pretty clever!  

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 22 15:08:32 2023
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:08:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023
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This is a long shot, but what the heck. Due to circumstances, I'm solo-ing to Dillard from the Northeast (Worcester, MA). Leaving MA on the 26th.? I'm trying to find if there are any caravans or individuals that will be headed down I-81, I-26 etc from roughly Roanoke, VA on WED the 27th or from CT, NY, PA (I-84 / I-81 -ish) on the 26th.
Power in numbers, right?
Else "see you in Dillard".
A simple "google search" will probably land you my cell number. Leave a message if I don't pick up. TnX.

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Sat Sep 23 08:05:07 2023
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:05:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] red neck spark plug wire holder
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Wire ties fix everything!

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Sep 24 19:01:44 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 19:01:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] VTR Convention refund?
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Well I am obviously not going to make it to Georgia for this years 
convention.  I'm trying to find out who to contact about getting a 
refund.  The info I have gotten from VTR about my registration does not 
include any info about getting my money back.  Any ideas who I need to 
contact?

mjb.

From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Sep 25 06:28:05 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:28:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] VTR Convention refund?
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No idea but I remember them offering insurance or something like travel insurance.? If you didn't take that option you may be out of luck.
But given your stellar status in the community they may make an exception. 

Dave 


 

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 Well I am obviously not going to make it to Georgia for this years 
convention.? I'm trying to find out who to contact about getting a 
refund.? The info I have gotten from VTR about my registration does not 
include any info about getting my money back.? Any ideas who I need to 
contact?

mjb.
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Tue Sep 26 16:50:03 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:50:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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Confess John, how many full throttle runs did you make on those runways with new cars on either
side, and which models did you "test"??

 

Glenn, aka StagByTriumph

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:21 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in
existence and if so, does it have any particular use?

 

The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there
and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air
Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 

 

Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as
a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in
the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with
two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever
possible by colour within each model group - always assuming there was available space. This overall
layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements
in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.

 

If you've ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you're now looking at the
location!

 

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From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 27 11:34:39 2023
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (david hammond)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 10:34:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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Looking for a rover v8 to install in my stag. Any leads/ info appreciated
David in gold hill, or

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 26, 2023, at 4:55 PM, StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> 
> ?
> Confess John, how many full throttle runs did you make on those runways with new cars on either side, and which models did you ?test???
>  
> Glenn, aka StagByTriumph
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of johnbmacartney at gmx.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:21 PM
> To: dave at ranteer.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
>  
> Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
>  
> The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
>  
> Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
>  
> If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
>  
> Jonmac
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Wed Sep 27 12:03:26 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 12:03:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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David,

 

Have you thought your project through?  Lots of customizations needed, custom brackets (engine, accessories, transmission, exhaust) , radiator, relocating accessories like Power steering, alternator, intake, exhaust, wiring changes, transmission, suspension, hood clearances, not to mention if you go EFI extras..

 

Where are you located ?gold hill? is where??  I have a Gold Hill near me in Boulder County, Colorado.

 

Glenn 

aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (on FaceBook)

Remember, ?the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen ? with the occasional smell of manure!?

 

 

 

From: david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 11:35 AM
To: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org
Cc: johnbmacartney at gmx.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

Looking for a rover v8 to install in my stag. Any leads/ info appreciated

David in gold hill, or

Sent from my iPad





On Sep 26, 2023, at 4:55 PM, StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

?

Confess John, how many full throttle runs did you make on those runways with new cars on either side, and which models did you ?test???

 

Glenn, aka StagByTriumph

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:21 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> 
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine

 

Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?

 

The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house. 

 

Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.

 

If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!

 

Jonmac

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Sep 27 13:37:51 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2023 20:37:51 +0100
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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In all honesty, I never did any full power ?test? on those runways. There were too many underfed German Shepherd dogs wandering around and all of the cars were too cold to spend any time in. Twas simply a question of finding the missing cars, parking them where they could be found, noting any shortages and then adjourning to the on site ?greasy spoon? for a large bacon and egg sandwich and a steaming mug of hot, sweet tea!
Performance testing was done elsewhere - and usually with a vivacious blonde in a miniskirt in the passenger seat! Believe me, the choices for car and female occupant were abundant! Hell, it was London in the Swinging Sixties - and I?m saying no more :)

Jonmac

> On 27 Sep 2023, at 18:34, david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looking for a rover v8 to install in my stag. Any leads/ info appreciated
> David in gold hill, or
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2023, at 4:55 PM, StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Confess John, how many full throttle runs did you make on those runways with new cars on either side, and which models did you ?test???
>>  
>> Glenn, aka StagByTriumph
>>  
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of johnbmacartney at gmx.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 2:21 PM
>> To: dave at ranteer.com
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
>>  
>> Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
>>  
>> The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
>>  
>> Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
>>  
>> If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
>>  
>> Jonmac
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From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 18:57:54 2023
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:57:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Carburetors
Message-ID: <B96834E9-2584-49B0-BDFF-ED4501679103@gmail.com>

Hope this email is appropriate to send.  I?m hoping that someone out in Triumph world can provide some clarification on carburetors.  Currently, Zenith Stromberg carbs on my 1975 TR6.  The car has been running poorly since Trimphest (too many RPMs?).  And then it died completely but turned out to need a new rotor.  Asked the mechanic, Mike, to take a look at the everything to figure out what can be made better.  What he found was the carbs were dumping gas into the cylinders especially when starting, to the point the gas was washing down the cylinder walls preventing the rings from sealing.  Result was a lot of white smoke.

The carbs were rebuilt about 18 months ago by Apple Hydraulics in New York.  Supposedly all new parts including a new piston in one of the carbs.  Mechanic Mike is questioning the quality but . . .  Several paths to try:

1.  New needles and basic over haul.  Least expensive but maybe stopgap measure.

2.  Rebuild these carbs using a different shop.  Mike recommends a shop in Colorado. I?m would worry about a 2nd rebuild in short period of time.

3.  Replace the carbs.
3a.  Mike has a pair of SU carbs in good shape.  Mike would replace ?consumables? and install

3b.  Find a pair Stromberg carbs

3c.  Mike likes carbs by Mikuni

3c.  Replace with Webers

Any ideas / suggestions on what path seems the best?

Hope all the world is going well for all.  Hope to see everyone at Velocity.


Thank you,
Frank Burkhart


From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 28 19:11:51 2023
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2023 18:11:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Carburetors
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Frank
This is absolutely an appropriate  query to the NBTG. I expect you'll have
some helpful responses. I personally am surprised that Apple Hydraulics
seems to have botched the job - they're supposed to be the best.
John

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 5:58?PM Frank Burkhart <
islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hope this email is appropriate to send.  I?m hoping that someone out in
> Triumph world can provide some clarification on carburetors.  Currently,
> Zenith Stromberg carbs on my 1975 TR6.  The car has been running poorly
> since Trimphest (too many RPMs?).  And then it died completely but turned
> out to need a new rotor.  Asked the mechanic, Mike, to take a look at the
> everything to figure out what can be made better.  What he found was the
> carbs were dumping gas into the cylinders especially when starting, to the
> point the gas was washing down the cylinder walls preventing the rings from
> sealing.  Result was a lot of white smoke.
>
> The carbs were rebuilt about 18 months ago by Apple Hydraulics in New
> York.  Supposedly all new parts including a new piston in one of the
> carbs.  Mechanic Mike is questioning the quality but . . .  Several paths
> to try:
>
> 1.  New needles and basic over haul.  Least expensive but maybe stopgap
> measure.
>
> 2.  Rebuild these carbs using a different shop.  Mike recommends a shop in
> Colorado. I?m would worry about a 2nd rebuild in short period of time.
>
> 3.  Replace the carbs.
> 3a.  Mike has a pair of SU carbs in good shape.  Mike would replace
> ?consumables? and install
>
> 3b.  Find a pair Stromberg carbs
>
> 3c.  Mike likes carbs by Mikuni
>
> 3c.  Replace with Webers
>
> Any ideas / suggestions on what path seems the best?
>
> Hope all the world is going well for all.  Hope to see everyone at
> Velocity.
>
>
> Thank you,
> Frank Burkhart
>
>

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