[TR] electric fuel pump

Mon Oct 23 13:53:19 MDT 2023

 I have used the electric fuel pump made in New Zealand , part number ECCO 15LM12 cost $80. It works just like an SU pump and fits on the same mouting with no madifications needs. I fitted one on my Stag and on my E type . Rimmers used to sell them but they don't anymore . Don't buy the alternative one they offer.

Go to this URL:-
https://simonbbc.com/fuel-flow-su-replacement-fuel-part/

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1. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (auprichard uprichard.net)
  2. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (dave northrup)
  3. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
  4. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
  5. TR3A electric fuel pump. (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
  6. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (auprichard uprichard.net)
  7. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (Rye Livingston)
  8. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
  9. Conditioning of Top or Tonneau (CFM-TR)
  10. is anyone familiar with this place (dave northrup)
  11. side mirrors (dave northrup)
  12. Re: TR3A Fuel pump (bill beecher)
  13. Re: is anyone familiar with this place (Don Hiscock)
  14. Re: side mirrors (David Friedlander)
 
Here is a pic from my 3B

Andrew UPrichard

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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 12:41 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3A Fuel pump

All - I'm sure this has been discussed before but my question is this - I have a freiend who plans to install a Moss supplied electric fuel pump to his TR3A. I don't know if it is the Facet pump or the universal Lucas pump. Any suggestions on the best place to mount this pump. I assume at the back of the car is best, below the fuel tank level.

Thanks.

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6
  <!--#yiv5595706884 filtered {}#yiv5595706884 filtered {}#yiv5595706884 p.yiv5595706884MsoNormal, #yiv5595706884 li.yiv5595706884MsoNormal, #yiv5595706884 div.yiv5595706884MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5595706884 span.yiv5595706884EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv5595706884 .yiv5595706884MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;}#yiv5595706884 filtered {}#yiv5595706884 div.yiv5595706884WordSection1 {}-->You can put the fuel pump anywhere.   Been there done that.   You need to insulate the mounting.  Rubber grommets work well. 
Do not buy Mr Gasket; they do not last.   I'm sorry you bought it from Moss.   You paid too much and it's probably low quality.   NAPA has them in stock.   You need the 2 to 4 PSI. 

-------- Original message --------From: Alex&Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> Date: 10/22/23 12:02 PM (GMT-06:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR3A Fuel pump 

All - I'm sure this has been discussed before but my question is this - I have a freiend who plans to install a Moss supplied electric fuel pump to his TR3A. I don't know if it is the Facet pump or the universal Lucas pump. Any suggestions on the best place to mount this pump. I assume at the back of the car is best, below the fuel tank level.

Thanks.

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6
  On 10/22/23 10:19 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:

  Did you mount an inertial cutoff switch, TeriAnn?  What are your thoughts there?  

I did not think about one for the TR3. If I'm hit hard enough to trip one I don't expect a good personal outcome. And the key is right there. I do have one (from a fox body Mustang) in the Land Rover which has EFI 5.0 just in case the truck falls over or some such on the trail. It has taken a lot on bouncing at different angles and has never tripped. I think it would take a large impact to trip one. There is a big difference in the amount that can flow at 2-3 lb pressure & the amount at high volume 45 PSI before you can hit the ignition switch. I don't think cars had cutoff switches before EFI volume & pressure pumps.

TeriAnn

  On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 12:15 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

  On 10/22/23 9:40 AM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote:

All - I'm sure this has been discussed before but my question is this - I have a freiend who plans to install a Moss supplied electric fuel pump to his TR3A. I don't know if it is the Facet pump or the universal Lucas pump. Any suggestions on the best place to mount this pump. I assume at the back of the car is best, below the fuel tank level.

On my TR3 I mounted an electric fuel pump and fuel filter before the pump on the inside of the frame rail. I fabricated a metal mounting plate to mount them to the frame rail by the fuel tank. In general electric fuel pumps are good at pushing fuel but not so much as pulling fuel so having it below the bottom of the tank makes it easier. Especially after running out of fuel.

TeriAnn

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    On 10/22/23 11:43 AM, dave northrup wrote:

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Way too much can be a relative term. Those Facit pumps are way loud and I don't think much about their longevity. I ended up paying a LOT more for a German made fuel pump because I was looking for a quality quiet pump that should last longer.

https://bpnorthwest.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=electric+fuel+pump

Yes way too much but so far it has been good & quiet.

TeriAnn

The only time I used a FACET fuel pump it failed on me after about 13,000 miles in the middle of a major junction in Vancouver in the rush hour! I think this was because it wanted to operate at around 8psi when the carbs only needed 2 to 3 psi and therefore a restrictor had to be put in the delivery line.

I wasn’t aware Lucas made a fuel pump - apart from the ones for the fuel injected cars - and those run at 150psi which is way too high.

Personally, I’d always go for the original SU type of pump now made by Burlein Fuel Systems and mount it as others have stated close to the tank. Ensure its blowing and not sucking. It’s a solid state unit so *should* last a long time and it pushes at the correct 2-3psi pressure. The fitment of an inertia switch should be an absolute imperative. Not only is it an important safety feature but an excellent anti-theft device. 

My two pence worth

Jonmac
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Which one exactly did you buy ? 

Andrew Uprichard

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfTeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 3:44 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel pump

On 10/22/23 11:43 AM, dave northrup wrote:

Do not buy Mr Gasket; they do not last.   I'm sorry you bought it from Moss.   You paid too much and it's probably low quality.   NAPA has them in stock.   You need the 2 to 4 PSI. 

Way too much can be a relative term. Those Facit pumps are way loud and I don't think much about their longevity. I ended up paying a LOT more for a German made fuel pump because I was looking for a quality quiet pump that should last longer.

https://bpnorthwest.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=electric+fuel+pump

Yes way too much but so far it has been good & quiet.

TeriAnn

 The Hardi pump I’m using is German.  As I mentioned earlier it was my local mechanic, British Motorsports, who recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  I’m very happy with it, and it’s very quiet.
Rye

On Oct 22, 2023, at 12:44 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/22/23 11:43 AM, dave northrup wrote:

Do not buy Mr Gasket; they do not last.   I'm sorry you bought it from Moss.   You paid too much and it's probably low quality.   NAPA has them in stock.   You need the 2 to 4 PSI. 

Way too much can be a relative term. Those Facit pumps are way loud and I don't think much about their longevity. I ended up paying a LOT more for a German made fuel pump because I was looking for a quality quiet pump that should last longer.

https://bpnorthwest.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=electric+fuel+pump

Yes way too much but so far it has been good & quiet.

TeriAnn

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  On 10/22/23 2:11 PM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:

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Which one exactly did you buy ?

It has been 6 or 7 years,  don't remember exactly which I purchased. It was a  Hardi fuel pump with a side mounting clamp, not the one that mounts from the bottom. I just picked one that seemed to be the easiest fit to the plate I added to the frame rail to hold a filter & the pump.

TeriAnn

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
 Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 3:44 PM
 To: triumphs at autox.team.net
 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel pump

On 10/22/23 11:43 AM, dave northrup wrote:

Do not buy Mr Gasket; they do not last.   I'm sorry you bought it from Moss.   You paid too much and it's probably low quality.   NAPA has them in stock.   You need the 2 to 4 PSI. 

Way too much can be a relative term. Those Facit pumps are way loud and I don't think much about their longevity. I ended up paying a LOT more for a German made fuel pump because I was looking for a quality quiet pump that should last longer.

https://bpnorthwest.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=electric+fuel+pump

Yes way too much but so far it has been good & quiet.

TeriAnn

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>'73 TR6

TWS Motors in Massachusetts.  Apparently they specialize in TR7/8, and maybe Land Rover.

Looking at this part:  https://thewedgeshopstore.com/water-pump-5-vane-tr3-tr4a/

Looks like a nice upgrade
  
I’ve seen a couple sidescreen TRs that used the windshield stanchions to mount the rear view mirror.

Anyone done that?

Here is a video of one:  triumph tr2 - YouTube

 I have bought a couple of cheap ones off eB=ay, sold the Land Rover after 6 years, still driving the Jeepster 7 years on=.  Paid less than $20 for them. 
TR3 still runn=ing the AC mechanical pump. 
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Which one exactly did you buy ?

It has been 6 or 7 years,  don't remember exactly which I purchased. It was a  Hardi fuel pump with a side mounting clamp, not the one that mounts from the bottom. I just picked one that seemed to be the easiest fit to the plate I added to the frame rail to hold a filter & the pump.

TeriAnn

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behal=f Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
 Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 3:44 PM
 To: triumphs at autox.team.net
 Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A Fuel pump

On 10/22/23 11:43 AM, dave northrup wrote:

Do not buy Mr Gasket; they do not last.&nbs=p;  I'm sorry you bought it from Moss.   You paid to=o much and it's probably low quality.   NAPA has them in stock.&n=bsp;  You need the 2 to 4 PSI. 

Way too much can be a relative term. Those Facit pumps are way loud and I don't think much about their longevity. I ended up paying a LOT more for a German made fuel pump because I was looking for a quality quiet pump that should last longer.

htt=ps://bpnorthwest.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=3Delectric+fuel+pump</ =o:p>

Yes way too much but so far it has been good & quiet.

TeriAnn

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=I threw away one of those 5-vane "uprated" water pumps a couple of years ago.  I put back my TR3B's original pump after its rebuilding by EP Services in the UK (along with a few other things to the cooling system like flushing block-radiator, remounting front apron-deflecfor, and fitting Macy's "Hurricane" fan).  
The car now runs as cool as when I got it 42 years ago.  Maybe cooler, despite moving to 87mm pistons and liners.    Prior to those changes it ran hot for ten years, right on one side or another of boiling over. 
I took the pump over during one of my visits to Goodwood and brought it home during another, with help from friends in the UK.  But I could have posted it both ways.  I'm sure somebody over here rebuilds water pumps like ours to original spec, but the vintage British sportscar ecosystem is so good in the UK I take advantage of it when possible.
A proper-functioning water pump wasn't the only change, but I give it the most credit.  Proceed with caution around what are claimed as modern improvements. 
On Sun, Oct 22, 2023 at 11:41 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

TWS Motors in Massachusetts.  Apparently they specialize in TR7/8, and maybe Land Rover.

Looking at this part:  https://thewedgeshopstore.com/water-pump-5-vane-tr3-tr4a/

Looks like a nice upgrade
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Yes, I have side mirrors mounted to my stanchions, alongside the “wind wings.”
Dave 

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 1:17 AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

I’ve seen a couple sidescreen TRs that used the windshield stanchions to mount the rear view mirror.

Anyone done that?

Here is a video of one:  triumph tr2 - YouTube

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