From tr6.guy at verizon.net  Mon May  1 14:34:23 2023
From: tr6.guy at verizon.net (tr6.guy)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2023 16:34:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1682964001.30254.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1682964001.30254.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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A way to avoid getting air bubbles in the reservoir during filling or
topping us is to place a clean screwdriver in the reservoir and slowly pour
the DOT 5 on the screwdriver.  No bubbles.

Gary

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 22:16:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "baltoalpine at gmail.com" <baltoalpine at gmail.com>,
	"triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
Message-ID: <2067607729.977724.1682893001281 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 While it is true that DOT5 entraps air easily it also will give it up
fairly quickly.? They use it in vacuum pumps for that reason.? The trick I
use is I will top up the reservoir and wait before I bleed.? A day if I
can.? This allows any air to percolate out before it gets into the closed
system.
 
Dave




From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 22:04:44 2023
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 04:04:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph Stag is the "hero" of an episode of Modern Love
References: <2123844203.1486546.1683000284616.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2123844203.1486546.1683000284616@mail.yahoo.com>

Modern Love, a series on Amazon Prime, features a Triumph Stag in Season 2, episode one through the whole episode.? It's a 2021 episode, but my first time seeing the series.RHD, looks like it's shot in England.??
Ann
'60 TR3A'65 Daimler V8 2.5L'12 Jaguar XF

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue May  2 05:51:00 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 11:51:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] car in Madison, Wisconsin
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I have been made aware of a smallmouth TR3 for sale in Madison, Wisconsin.

The owner is representing it as a rust-free car, but I have heard that before.

Ios there anyone nearby who would agree to go take a look before I drag my trailer several hundred miles?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan


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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue May  2 10:44:57 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 16:44:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
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+1 on the screwdriver

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of tr6.guy
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2023 3:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid

A way to avoid getting air bubbles in the reservoir during filling or topping us is to place a clean screwdriver in the reservoir and slowly pour the DOT 5 on the screwdriver.  No bubbles.

Gary

Message: 3
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2023 22:16:41 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "baltoalpine at gmail.com" <baltoalpine at gmail.com>,
	"triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 While it is true that DOT5 entraps air easily it also will give it up fairly quickly.? They use it in vacuum pumps for that reason.? The trick I use is I will top up the reservoir and wait before I bleed.? A day if I can.? This allows any air to percolate out before it gets into the closed system.
 
Dave



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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue May  2 12:55:49 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 14:55:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
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On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:48?PM tr6.guy <tr6.guy at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> A way to avoid getting air bubbles in the reservoir during filling or
> topping us is to place a clean screwdriver in the reservoir and slowly pour
> the DOT 5 on the screwdriver.  No bubbles.

Old labroratorian's trick.  Clamp a stirring rod across the mouth of
the dispensing jar with your index finger as you pour.  Flui(d|f) runs
down the rod into your beaker.

Make sure your screwdriver is ~scrupulously~ clean.

-- Jeff

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue May  2 13:39:34 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2023 14:39:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] DOT 5 Brake Fluid
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Exactly, Jeff. I learned that technique working in industrial labs too.
Usually with a glass rod.

On Tuesday, May 2, 2023, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:48?PM tr6.guy <tr6.guy at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > A way to avoid getting air bubbles in the reservoir during filling or
> > topping us is to place a clean screwdriver in the reservoir and slowly
> pour
> > the DOT 5 on the screwdriver.  No bubbles.
>
> Old labroratorian's trick.  Clamp a stirring rod across the mouth of
> the dispensing jar with your index finger as you pour.  Flui(d|f) runs
> down the rod into your beaker.
>
> Make sure your screwdriver is ~scrupulously~ clean.
>
> -- Jeff
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Wed May  3 12:20:17 2023
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 18:20:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] 1954 Morgan Twin Spare
Message-ID: <C087650D-E4F8-4369-8692-ACF734DD4517@stevethorntonlaw.com>


Hello List-


Today, I listed my 1954 Morgan Twin Spare for sale on EBay. It is a 59,561 mile car. It has a TR4 motor, installed in 1969.


Sent from my iPad


Steven O. Thornton
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed May  3 13:22:35 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 14:22:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1954 Morgan Twin Spare
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References: <C087650D-E4F8-4369-8692-ACF734DD4517@stevethorntonlaw.com>
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Looks nice and a fair price too. I would add the chassis number so interested parties can research your car. 
Bill
Currently own C7487 Morgan 4/4, but recently sold my 1954 twin spare +4. 

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On May 3, 2023, at 1:56 PM, Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:

? 
Hello List-


Today, I listed my 1954 Morgan Twin Spare for sale on EBay. It is a 59,561 mile car. It has a TR4 motor, installed in 1969. 


Sent from my iPad


Steven O. Thornton 
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630

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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Wed May  3 13:23:22 2023
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 19:23:22 +0000
Subject: [TR] 1954 Morgan Twin Spare
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<https://www.ebay.com/itm/134557244724?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=UNkttvGoStq&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=UNkttvGoStq&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY>
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Sent from my iPad


Steven O. Thornton
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630


On May 3, 2023, at 2:16 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

? Link?


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Date: 5/3/23 2:15 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] 1954 Morgan Twin Spare


Hello List-


Today, I listed my 1954 Morgan Twin Spare for sale on EBay. It is a 59,561 mile car. It has a TR4 motor, installed in 1969.


Sent from my iPad


Steven O. Thornton
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed May  3 18:28:25 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2023 20:28:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] 1954 Morgan Twin Spare
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I love the color!  GLWTA!

On Wed, May 3, 2023 at 3:06?PM Steve Thornton
<sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello List-
>
>
> Today, I listed my 1954 Morgan Twin Spare for sale on EBay. It is a 59,561 mile car. It has a TR4 motor, installed in 1969.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> Steven O. Thornton
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri May  5 15:33:55 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:33:55 -0600
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
Message-ID: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>

Well, the announcement is now public.


https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/


Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British 
Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my 
part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has 
made this possible!

mjb.

From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Fri May  5 23:23:26 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 05:23:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
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Message-ID: <88602700-378D-46F3-9C3C-1C8A4FF2C520@albiontechnical.com>

Congratulations, Mark!  And richly deserved.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On May 6, 2023, at 00:12, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Well, the announcement is now public.
> 
> 
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
> 
> 
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible!
> 
> mjb.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat May  6 04:20:45 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 10:20:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
In-Reply-To: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>
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 What an honor and well-deserved.? Congratulations!
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, May 5, 2023 4:33 pm
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!

Well, the announcement is now public.


https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/


Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British 
Sports Car Hall of Fame.? It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my 
part has not gone unnoticed.? Thanks to everyone on every list that has 
made this possible!

mjb.
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat May  6 05:34:19 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 06:34:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
In-Reply-To: <88602700-378D-46F3-9C3C-1C8A4FF2C520@albiontechnical.com>
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Well deserved, three cheers and hip hop hooray!

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, May 6, 2023, 5:35 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:

> Congratulations, Mark!  And richly deserved.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 6, 2023, at 00:12, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Well, the announcement is now public.
> >
> >
> >
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British
> Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my
> part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has
> made this possible!
> >
> > mjb.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat May  6 06:04:19 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 08:04:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
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Awesome!
Jim Henningsen

> On May 6, 2023, at 1:18 AM, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Well, the announcement is now public.
> 
> 
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
> 
> 
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible!
> 
> mjb.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat May  6 06:06:04 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 08:06:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
In-Reply-To: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>
References: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <3342cb66-11ae-eb88-26c4-dd9e5840adaf@verizon.net>

Congratulations Mark, well deserved!

ptegler

On 5/5/2023 5:33 PM, Mark Bradakis wrote:
> Well, the announcement is now public.
>
>
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/ 
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the 
> British Sports Car Hall of Fame.? It is nice that over 30 years of 
> effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.? Thanks to everyone on every 
> list that has made this possible!
>
> mjb.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Sat May  6 06:14:09 2023
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 08:14:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
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So well deserved! Congratulations Mark???

On Sat, May 6, 2023 at 1:18?AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Well, the announcement is now public.
>
>
>
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
>
>
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British
> Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my
> part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has
> made this possible!
>
> mjb.
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From mbarre at juno.com  Sat May  6 10:17:42 2023
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 16:17:42 GMT
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
Message-ID: <20230506.121742.1175.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Quite an achievement.
Congrats Mark!


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Undisclosed-recipients:;
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks to all!
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 06:34:19 -0500

Well deserved, three cheers and hip hop hooray!
Greg LemonTR250
On Sat, May 6, 2023, 5:35 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
Congratulations, Mark!? And richly deserved.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:? 630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On May 6, 2023, at 00:12, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Well, the announcement is now public.
> 
> 
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
> 
> 
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.? It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my part has not gone unnoticed.? Thanks to everyone on every list that has made this possible!
> 
> mjb.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat May  6 10:49:27 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 11:49:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sat May  6 23:07:09 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 07:07:09 +0200
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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>
> Congratulations Mark!

It?s great to see you get this richly deserved honour.

Dave

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A (s/n 68639L)
near Toronto, Canada

Date: Fri, 5 May 2023 15:33:55 -0600
> From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
>
> Well, the announcement is now public.
>
>
>
> https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-british-sports-car-hof-inductees/
>
>
> Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British
> Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my
> part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has
> made this possible!
>
> mjb.
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From elangtr4 at aol.com  Sun May  7 08:03:16 2023
From: elangtr4 at aol.com (elangtr4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 14:03:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all
References: <1234515333.2803495.1683468196476.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Congratulations Mark for the well-deserved recognition. Looks likeyou're in pretty good company!
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sun May  7 08:43:08 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 15:43:08 +0100
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 69
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>

Congrats and thanks to Mark. A richly deserved award!

Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.

Jonmac

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>   3. Re: Thanks to all! (DAVID MASSEY)
>   4. Re: Thanks to all! (Greg Lemon)
>   5. Re: Thanks to all! (Jim Henningsen)
>   6. Re: Thanks to all! (Paul Tegler)
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Sun May  7 10:44:40 2023
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 16:44:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all
Message-ID: <SA1P223MB0606A4B8C7E2298C5A56ED74C1709@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

For your years of dedication - congratulations!

Peter Arakelian
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun May  7 14:11:08 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 13:11:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>

On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.
>
> Jonmac

I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before 
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I 
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its 
junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that 
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see 
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go 
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that 
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.

I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a 
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.

On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 
June. My TR3 intends to be there.

TeriAnn
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun May  7 18:48:10 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 19:48:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>

Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come
through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular list
traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and
posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin
Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller
> population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some
> sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated
> mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has
> it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts /
> knowledge would be interesting.
> >
> > Jonmac
>
> I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before
> it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I
> think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its
> junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that
> individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see
> postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go
> into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that
> problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.
>
> I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a
> thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.
>
> On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10
> June. My TR3 intends to be there.
>
> TeriAnn
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun May  7 22:57:39 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 00:57:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun May  7 23:00:36 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 05:00:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 69
In-Reply-To: <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <1662828935.2907247.1683522036302@mail.yahoo.com>

 congrats Mark.
Johnsomewhat a lurker.often by the time i get to see the mail, like now some 10 hours later, folks smarter than me have often solved a listers problem.i then have not added my repetition of an already solved problem.but i love this list format and it has saved my sanity many times over.
Franka scouse in california
?
    On Sunday, May 7, 2023 at 11:24:05 AM PDT, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:  
 
 Congrats and thanks to Mark. A richly deserved award!

Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.

Jonmac

Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb

> On 6 May 2023, at 19:00, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to
>? ? triumphs at autox.team.net
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>? 1. Thanks to all! (Mark Bradakis)
>? 2. Re: Thanks to all! (Michael Marr)
>? 3. Re: Thanks to all! (DAVID MASSEY)
>? 4. Re: Thanks to all! (Greg Lemon)
>? 5. Re: Thanks to all! (Jim Henningsen)
>? 6. Re: Thanks to all! (Paul Tegler)
>? 7. Re: Thanks to all! (Larry Griffin)
>? 8. Re: Thanks to all! (Matt)
>? 9. Re: Thanks to all! (bill beecher)
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Mon May  8 05:13:56 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 07:13:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <cabddd8b-f186-c26a-808d-186bd3406a60@roadrunner.com>

Greg,

Yes gmail should not be your email server of choice. Not sure of their 
motives but google is well known for censorship. Heck even my email 
client (thunderbird) thinks some posts from the list are spam. Maybe the 
servers/email clients are trying to prevent hacks I guess.

Another problem is that many smtp/pop servers require different modes of 
authentication that can prevent emails from getting from sender to 
recipient. I recently had to change my Triumph email account due to the 
many (probe) messages received stating that the list server received an 
error from my older mail server. Funny thing is the probe messages were 
received but the email in question was not, all from the same smtp server.

Funny thing is when I was in the business, we would say this funny 
phrase when something went wrong:

"The state of the moon flag must not have been set correctly"

BTW, I got the 63 4 out the other day. Started great after over an 8 
month nap. Great to be able to get in the drivers seat after a long winter.

Bob

On 5/7/23 8:48 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come 
> through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular 
> list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of 
> users and posts seems to be down.? Though in the early days I was on 
> the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
>     > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far
>     smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted,
>     we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc,
>     but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who
>     have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to
>     other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be
>     interesting.
>     >
>     > Jonmac
>
>     I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list
>     before
>     it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a
>     lurker. I
>     think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings
>     in its
>     junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it
>     that
>     individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see
>     postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go
>     into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that
>     problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.
>
>     I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a
>     thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.
>
>     On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10
>     June. My TR3 intends to be there.
>
>     TeriAnn
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon May  8 05:41:10 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 07:41:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!
In-Reply-To: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>
References: <82e238e8-02e3-c72e-29ee-16a4ada91d2f@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <003201d981a1$fc513b00$f4f3b100$@charter.net>

What a great reward for all of your efforts over the years. I have received
a lot of help from listers over the years and I hope that I have been able
to offer similar help or suggestions, as well. I also have noticed a
slow-down in traffic and I know that many e-mails don't make it to my inbox,
even though I have the Outlook setting directing all "spam" to my inbox. I
have even reviewed the settings that Charter, our cable company, has enacted
but to no avail. Sigh! What to do?

Many thanks to you, Mark.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Bradakis
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 5:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!

Well, the announcement is now public.


https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-br
itish-sports-car-hof-inductees/


Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British 
Sports Car Hall of Fame.  It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my 
part has not gone unnoticed.  Thanks to everyone on every list that has 
made this possible!

mjb.
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon May  8 05:57:44 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 07:57:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <382E911C-6CE1-481B-AF7F-AF39A94525FD@fuse.net>
References: <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <382E911C-6CE1-481B-AF7F-AF39A94525FD@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <33cbea97-0e16-ba8e-e644-60a0d3a8d47c@verizon.net>

last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverable.
...wondering if this message will make it through

ptegler

On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I have 
> recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were answered so 
> there are people out there contributing.
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come 
>> through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the 
>> regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the 
>> number of users and posts seems to be down.? Though in the early days 
>> I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to 
>> traffic then.
>>
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>>
>> On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
>>     > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far
>>     smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties.
>>     Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno
>>     domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing
>>     lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many
>>     migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge
>>     would be interesting.
>>     >
>>     > Jonmac
>>
>>     I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list
>>     before
>>     it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a
>>     lurker. I
>>     think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings
>>     in its
>>     junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it
>>     that
>>     individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see
>>     postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go
>>     into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have
>>     that
>>     problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.
>>
>>     I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a
>>     thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.
>>
>>     On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up
>>     on 10
>>     June. My TR3 intends to be there.
>>
>>     TeriAnn
>>     ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From hoytduff at gmail.com  Mon May  8 08:35:44 2023
From: hoytduff at gmail.com (Hoyt Duff)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:35:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <cabddd8b-f186-c26a-808d-186bd3406a60@roadrunner.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <cabddd8b-f186-c26a-808d-186bd3406a60@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=tN-tWuwrM88fmuAiwfGcfALpK6aV2Afbw@mail.gmail.com>

Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.

As to participation, I am one of the "lurkers" who has been subscribed
since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
working on any of my TR2/3s.

-- 
Hoyt

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon May  8 09:38:59 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 15:38:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <33cbea97-0e16-ba8e-e644-60a0d3a8d47c@verizon.net>
References: <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <382E911C-6CE1-481B-AF7F-AF39A94525FD@fuse.net>
 <33cbea97-0e16-ba8e-e644-60a0d3a8d47c@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB7655ED117DD69BB9BD7664CCCA719@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

It made it !

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 7:58 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR list traffic


last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverable.
...wondering if this message will make it through

ptegler
On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I have recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were answered so there are people out there contributing.
Dave Connitt
Sent from my iPhone


On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com><mailto:grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
?
Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com<mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.
>
> Jonmac

I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before
it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I
think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its
junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that
individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see
postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go
into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that
problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.

I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a
thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.

On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10
June. My TR3 intends to be there.

TeriAnn
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From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com  Mon May  8 11:57:46 2023
From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 10:57:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam,
 was: TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=tN-tWuwrM88fmuAiwfGcfALpK6aV2Afbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <cabddd8b-f186-c26a-808d-186bd3406a60@roadrunner.com>
 <CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=tN-tWuwrM88fmuAiwfGcfALpK6aV2Afbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8f81bbce-f2fd-f297-2528-cc9314d16a3e@blakedischer.com>

First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award 
for your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel 
well-fed and running at full speed.? I know what it takes, so kudos!

I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam folders 
that some have mentioned.? Many already know this, but maybe some will 
be helped.

Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way to 
"whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an 
incoming email as spam.? Because Google is? notoriously bad at 
discerning spam from ham 
<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham>, here is 
the procedure in Gmail:
https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/

If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to the 
procedure.

All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) do 
spam detection at server level before your client (reader) even gets the 
message.? (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, 
their whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)? In that instance you 
will need to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to 
your whitelist.

Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.

All the best,
Blake Discher
VTR Webmaster



On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
> substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
> after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.
>
> As to participation, I am one of the "lurkers" who has been subscribed
> since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
> working on any of my TR2/3s.
>
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Mon May  8 12:00:55 2023
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2023 18:00:55 +0000
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all! - whitelisting team.net
Message-ID: <ff4c5d34-a070-b477-4b51-30e74bc6bd9d@earthlink.net>

Those having problems with list e-mails going to spam may want to see if you have an option to 'whitelist' the team.net domain.  I have occasional issues with list e-mails going to my spam folder (1-2 a month), but that is minor and they always are replies.

You have to do this via your mail provider's interface so it happens at the server level.  I still have lots of trouble with my city's listserver e-mails, but not team.net stuff.

Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex &amp; Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
Sent: May 8, 2023 6:17 AM
To: 'Mark Bradakis' <mark at bradakis.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Thanks to all!

What a great reward for all of your efforts over the years. I have received
a lot of help from listers over the years and I hope that I have been able
to offer similar help or suggestions, as well. I also have noticed a
slow-down in traffic and I know that many e-mails don't make it to my inbox,
even though I have the Outlook setting directing all "spam" to my inbox. I
have even reviewed the settings that Charter, our cable company, has enacted
but to no avail. Sigh! What to do?

Many thanks to you, Mark.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Bradakis
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2023 5:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Thanks to all!

Well, the announcement is now public.


https://vintagemotorsport.com/2023/05/04/redman-hobbs-and-levy-among-2023-br
itish-sports-car-hof-inductees/


Thanks to all of those who contributed to my induction into the British
Sports Car Hall of Fame. It is nice that over 30 years of effort on my
part has not gone unnoticed. Thanks to everyone on every list that has
made this possible!

mjb.
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon May  8 13:59:04 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 15:59:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB7655ED117DD69BB9BD7664CCCA719@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DS7PR07MB7655ED117DD69BB9BD7664CCCA719@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <10406A3F-736C-4927-8240-B7C5B666CF85@comcast.net>

  Over the many years that I?ve had my Triumph I?ve been grateful for the great competent information that the folks on the list have provided me.  I also love the stories and antidotes of the Triumph?s history, pedigree and crazy stuff.
Bob
  72? TR6
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 8, 2023, at 3:26 PM, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It made it !
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 7:58 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR list traffic
>  
> last two message I tried to send the list were kicked back as undeliverable.
> ...wondering if this message will make it through
> 
> ptegler
> 
> On 5/8/2023 12:57 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> There is a definite reduction in email traffic on the list but I have recently posted questions on my TR4A wiper motor that were answered so there are people out there contributing.
> Dave Connitt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On May 7, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Same problem here with Gmail, I never see my emails to the list come through at all, and it seems like a third to two-thirds of the regular list traffic goes to spam, but I agree that overall the number of users and posts seems to be down.  Though in the early days I was on the Austin Healey list, so I guess can't really speak to traffic then.
>  
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>  
> On Sun, May 7, 2023, 7:10 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/7/23 7:43 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> > Looking back down the years, this list seems to have a far smaller population than when I joined it in the nineties. Granted, we have had some sad departures as a result of anno domini etc, but is it now populated mostly by non-contributing lurkers who have been here a long time, or has it seen many migrations to other places - or what? Your thoughts / knowledge would be interesting.
> >
> > Jonmac
> 
> I'm one of the few that was on the original British car mail list before 
> it got chopped up into marque lists who has become basically a lurker. I 
> think much is that Google has been putting Triumph list postings in its 
> junk file before I even see it. I just seem to be able to tell it that 
> individual list member postings are not junk. I either never see 
> postings from a lot of people or well after they posted it when I go 
> into google mail to look for mail that is not junk. I don't have that 
> problem with FOT mail. Google lets that one through real time.
> 
> I seldom post because I really have nothing TR related to say or a 
> thread is old by the time I pull it out of Google junk.
> 
> On the other hand Eureka has a 2 seater car gathering coming up on 10 
> June. My TR3 intends to be there.
> 
> TeriAnn
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Mon May  8 15:08:24 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 17:08:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
Message-ID: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>

Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.  I thought I had saved it, but can't find it now. 
As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to be done.  Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like their information.
TIA
Tom Fansher 
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 - down for rebuild
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon May  8 16:58:19 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 17:58:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam,
 was: TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <8f81bbce-f2fd-f297-2528-cc9314d16a3e@blakedischer.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <E6E7C1A6-0DC2-4055-BE0A-E4C708FBDC3E@gmx.com>
 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <cabddd8b-f186-c26a-808d-186bd3406a60@roadrunner.com>
 <CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=tN-tWuwrM88fmuAiwfGcfALpK6aV2Afbw@mail.gmail.com>
 <8f81bbce-f2fd-f297-2528-cc9314d16a3e@blakedischer.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBdJ1aoOaMwPXuZvwuEuOpKaj02Tg1OBxuhUG3fmFzPXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for that, Blake.  I've not created rules in Gmail before -- but
perhaps now our forum friend Dave Massey won't automatically be sent to
spam, despite being in my address book!  Cross your fingers, Dave... :)

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:43?PM Blake J. Discher <
bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com> wrote:

> First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award for
> your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel well-fed and
> running at full speed.  I know what it takes, so kudos!
>
> I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam folders
> that some have mentioned.  Many already know this, but maybe some will be
> helped.
>
> Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way to
> "whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an incoming
> email as spam.  Because Google is  notoriously bad at discerning spam from
> ham <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/SPAMASSASSIN/Ham>, here
> is the procedure in Gmail:
> https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/
>
> If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to the
> procedure.
>
> All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) do
> spam detection at server level before your client (reader) even gets the
> message.  (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, their
> whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)  In that instance you will need
> to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to your
> whitelist.
>
> Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.
>
> All the best,
> Blake Discher
> VTR Webmaster
>
>
>
> On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
>
> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
> substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
> after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.
>
> As to participation, I am one of the "lurkers" who has been subscribed
> since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
> working on any of my TR2/3s.
>
>
>
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Mon May  8 17:13:46 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 19:13:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
Message-ID: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>

Hi list,
I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows. 
Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives? after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are driving north to Manitou Springs, Co. 
We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
Can?t wait to get on the road!
Dave Connitt


Sent from my iPhone

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon May  8 19:27:09 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 19:27:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAMp=J_pxOunzG_np=tN-tWuwrM88fmuAiwfGcfALpK6aV2Afbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3ab_+20awtB6CkhFn61RvMUky_iqti6mc6TfDHK7fjpbNg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d0107d18-8de5-1603-4072-5f9223a3f7f6@bradakis.com>

On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals. 

Well that is some interesting news.  Wonder what "misconfiguration" 
those folks at google are talking about?

mjb.



From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon May  8 20:11:06 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 21:11:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFApCg-zP=TUjHkpvOJHqPUOua1vpfzLT9DHRFz5zfbfKg@mail.gmail.com>

I know a very well respected restorer that uses these guys.  I'm thinking
to drop off a rare speedometer when I pass by in July.
https://momamanufacturing.com/

On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 8:46?PM tfansher at comcast.net <tfansher at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.  I thought I
> had saved it, but can't find it now.
> As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and
> discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to
> be done.  Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like
> their information.
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3A since 1972
> 62 TR4 - down for rebuild
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From stan at redtr6.com  Mon May  8 20:11:24 2023
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 02:11:24 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6575C5370D315E36BACD80A7FE769@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of tfansher at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 5:08 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding

Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.  I thought I had saved it, but can't find it now.
As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to be done.  Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like their information.
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 - down for rebuild
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From 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org  Mon May  8 20:29:58 2023
From: 75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 22:29:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <142265468.4918043.1683580104868@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <0ML6Nr-1pvw871v8r-000NjI@mrelay.perfora.net>

Morris Mintz at West Valley Instruments in California https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/  

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: tfansher at comcast.net
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 9:35 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding

Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.? I thought I had saved it, but can't find it now.? 
As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to be done.? Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like their information. 
TIA 
Tom Fansher? 
61 TR3A since 1972 
62 TR4 - down for rebuild 

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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Mon May  8 21:15:52 2023
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 03:15:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
References: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <68343D5A-0BA0-432B-91BB-EA5B5984E20E@stevethorntonlaw.com>

Dave-

I am an hour north of Nashville. While there, I recommend you visit a unique car museum.

<https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/>
[OverheadHobbyWild_2Kpx.jpg]
Home<https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/>
lanemotormuseum.org<https://www.lanemotormuseum.org/>


Of course, stop by the Corvette Museum in my hometown.

Enjoy your trip.

Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630


On May 8, 2023, at 10:04 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

?Hi list,
I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows.
Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives? after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are driving north to Manitou Springs, Co.
We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
Can?t wait to get on the road!
Dave Connitt


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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 21:36:28 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2023 22:36:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
References: <00014CB3-81B4-4A47-809D-2AB16DB4BDFE.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00014CB3-81B4-4A47-809D-2AB16DB4BDFE@yahoo.com>

?Tom,
I have always used West Valley Instruments in Reseda, CA, very happy. 
Talk to Morris
PH: (818) 758-9500

NFI,
Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On May 8, 2023, at 8:39 PM, tfansher at comcast.net wrote:

?
Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.  I thought I had saved it, but can't find it now.  
As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to be done.  Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like their information.
TIA
Tom Fansher 
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 - down for rebuild
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon May  8 23:31:33 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 00:31:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
References: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZnTXrCy4AMagLy3uGB2gOAWkF=gQt5BNt2qVDiSaShtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good to hear about someone getting good use out of their Triumph.  Hard to
explain, but the total sensory overload of a day out in an old British
sports car with the top down on the highway is a good way to clear your
head and reboot the old noggin.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:52 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> Hi list,
> I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a
> 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for
> reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows.
> Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives?
> after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in
> an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket
> list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each
> other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s
> and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the
> first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day
> traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May
> 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then
> Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are
> driving north to Manitou Springs, Co.
> We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
> Can?t wait to get on the road!
> Dave Connitt
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue May  9 04:56:41 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 06:56:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <0ML6Nr-1pvw871v8r-000NjI@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0ML6Nr-1pvw871v8r-000NjI@mrelay.perfora.net>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue May  9 04:57:55 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 10:57:55 +0000
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZnTXrCy4AMagLy3uGB2gOAWkF=gQt5BNt2qVDiSaShtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
 <CAFtw3aZnTXrCy4AMagLy3uGB2gOAWkF=gQt5BNt2qVDiSaShtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e386d0f204e94f6a8975f42452ddaadb@ranteer.com>

If you want to read about a great series of trips in a TR6, look at the recent issue of 6 Pack magazine.  There is an article about our trip, on Route 66, from Dallas to Tucumcari to Kingman (with a stop at the Grand Canyon), then up through Las Vegas and on to Reno.

Upcoming issues will detail Hot August Nights, then Reno to Bryce Canyon to Four Corners to Taos then back to Dallas.  Included in this adventure is the British Auto Owners of Albuquerque British car weekend in Taos.  Those people put on a great weekend if you ever have the chance to join them.

About 4000 miles of adventure, all in our 72 TR6

We were able to do it in chunks, all the while storing the car at my daughter?s house in Reno before bringing it home

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:32 AM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Upcoming long range trip

Good to hear about someone getting good use out of their Triumph.  Hard to explain, but the total sensory overload of a day out in an old British sports car with the top down on the highway is a good way to clear your head and reboot the old noggin.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:52 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net<mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>> wrote:
Hi list,
I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows.
Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives? after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are driving north to Manitou Springs, Co.
We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
Can?t wait to get on the road!
Dave Connitt


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From tfansher at comcast.net  Tue May  9 06:20:08 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 08:20:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
In-Reply-To: <8CB04718-C862-45D2-A749-4030916A80AA@gmail.com>
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue May  9 06:30:25 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 08:30:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZnTXrCy4AMagLy3uGB2gOAWkF=gQt5BNt2qVDiSaShtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue May  9 07:26:45 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 13:26:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <d0107d18-8de5-1603-4072-5f9223a3f7f6@bradakis.com>
References: <mailman.12.1683396008.30716.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 <aa4164fb-962a-7d18-93b3-02e561e39a59@gmail.com>
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 i have a simple solution for the google mail folks.open a yahoo mailkeep a tab open at the top of your screen and flip between.i still have an old aol email account that some friends have never weaned off.
Frank
    On Monday, May 8, 2023 at 09:12:05 PM PDT, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:  
 
 On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
> UNIX/Linux IT professionals. 

Well that is some interesting news.? Wonder what "misconfiguration" 
those folks at google are talking about?

mjb.


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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue May  9 10:02:34 2023
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 12:02:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
Message-ID: <CANhzkeMMWdno0uwGiZmOORLf0poLviJihTfZjuf0w6Nf_y27Gg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm finally trying to organize my parts.
In general I'm following the moss motors categories for new parts.
For cars I'm trying to keep like models together - I've purchased too many
unfinished projects.

I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it has a
vacuum switch mounted where the arrows are indicated below:

[image: image.png]

Any idea what year this is for?  Probably more of the pollution stuff....

Thanks
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue May  9 10:19:42 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:19:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam,
 was: TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBdJ1aoOaMwPXuZvwuEuOpKaj02Tg1OBxuhUG3fmFzPXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <525492967.6175539.1683649182474@mail.yahoo.com>

 I dunno, sometimes I think that is where I belong.? ;-)
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Blake J. Discher <bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, May 8, 2023 5:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Whitelist email to prevent mssg being deemed spam, was: TR list traffic

Thanks for that, Blake.? I've not created rules in Gmail before -- but perhaps now our forum friend Dave Massey won't automatically?be sent to spam, despite being in my address book!? Cross your fingers, Dave... :)
On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 5:43?PM Blake J. Discher <bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com> wrote:

  First, congratulations Mark... there should also be an "Ironman" award for your efforts over the years to keep the hamsters in the wheel well-fed and running at full speed.? I know what it takes, so kudos!
 
 I thought I'd address the issue of list emails going into spam folders that some have mentioned.? Many already know this, but maybe some will be helped.
 
 Most email clients (Outlook, Google, Thunderbird) will have a way to "whitelist" an email address so that your client doesn't deem an incoming email as spam.? Because Google is? notoriously bad at discerning spam from ham, here is the procedure in Gmail:
 https://www.whitelist.guide/gmail/
 
 If you use a different client, a Google search will lead you to the procedure.
 
 All of that being said, some internet providers (AT&T, Verizon, etc) do spam detection at server level before your client (reader) even gets the message.? (Although Google is not technically an internet provider, their whitelisting method mirrors that of one.)? In that instance you will need to use the provider's control panel to add email addresses to your whitelist.
 
 Both methods work, 'client level' is usually simpler though.
 
 All the best,
 Blake Discher
 VTR Webmaster
 
 
 
 On 5/8/23 7:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
  
 Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
UNIX/Linux IT professionals. I have no way to verify this, but a
substantial amount of messages do get shuttled to my SPAM folder, even
after marking them consistently as NOT SPAM.

As to participation, I am one of the "lurkers" who has been subscribed
since circa 2000, but have not been active since I have not been
working on any of my TR2/3s.

 
 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue May  9 10:23:17 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:23:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
References: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <588160004.1835660.1683649397341@mail.yahoo.com>

 Way cool.? I took my TR6 up Pike's Peak after the VTR is 2010 in Breckenridge.? Fun drive and great views.? Be sure to get a doughnut when you are up there.? They make them on sight and are supremely light as a result of the altitude. 

While you are int eh area consider Royal Gorge.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, May 8, 2023 6:13 pm
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip

Hi list,
I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows. 
Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives? after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are driving north to Manitou Springs, Co. 
We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
Can?t wait to get on the road!
Dave Connitt


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue May  9 10:37:02 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:37:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <ED5510FA-A91A-4353-99F2-234866DA90C1@fuse.net>
References: <CAFtw3aZnTXrCy4AMagLy3uGB2gOAWkF=gQt5BNt2qVDiSaShtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 You must be retired!? I'm looking forward to trips like that.? Years ago I had a friend who had a sailboat and he would sail for a few weeks, fly home for a few weeks, fly back out and sail some more.? He sailed from Florida up the east coast to the Eire Canal into the great lakes and back to St. Louis.? Took him a couple years.? I plan on a Rt66 trip along those lines.? I figure there are some members on the list that would babysit my car for a few weeks while I go back home to keep the wife happy.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 9, 2023 7:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Upcoming long range trip

Hi Greg,I have traveled quite a bit in my TR4A over the years having gone to Watkins Glen twice, Stowe, Vt. once, and Pitt Raceway twice to watch the Vintage Sports Car races.?Those were all solo trip through. This is the first time my wife is coming along.She wants to continue on to see Yellowstone then head back east through the badlands.Besides that first, this is our first road trip where we know what day we?re leaving but have no clue when we will be returning home. Colleen says if we see a sign that says ?world?s largest ball of string ahead?, we?re stopping ?.I?ll keep you guys posted!Dave Connitt

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On May 9, 2023, at 1:31 AM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:



?Good to hear about someone getting good use out of their Triumph.? Hard to explain, but the total sensory overload of a day out in an old British sports car with the top down on the highway is a good way to clear your head and reboot the old noggin.
Greg LemonTR250
On Mon, May 8, 2023, 9:52 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

Hi list,
I want to pass on an upcoming Triumph trip we are about to start. I own a 1967 TR4-IRS that I finished restoring back in 2015. I restored it for reliability and not so much to be ?another pretty face? at car shows. 
Anyway, our local club (TriState Triumphs) does monthly ?spirited drives? after the salt is gone. After one of our recent drives we were partaking in an adult beverage and one of the guys announced that one of his ?bucket list? goals was to drive his TR6 up Pikes Peak. Well, we all looked at each other and asked, ?when when are we leaving?? So the main group of 5 TR6?s and one Lotus Elese are leaving July 3 from Cincinnati to Kansas City the first day and continuing on to Manitou Springs, Co. the second day traveling west on I-70. Colleen and I are leaving for Nashville,Tn. on May 26, then west on I-40 through Little Rock, then Oklahoma City, then Amarillo, Tx. to our nephew in Edgewood, NM. After a few days there we are driving north to Manitou Springs, Co. 
We have plans beyond that but we?ll talk about them later.
Can?t wait to get on the road!
Dave Connitt


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From hoytduff at gmail.com  Tue May  9 12:19:34 2023
From: hoytduff at gmail.com (Hoyt Duff)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 14:19:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
Message-ID: <CAMp=J_pmX3aE+H=GM4kx+H+j4vO779nUzAkY-MoA3h2GYrARJg@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/8/23 8:35 AM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
>> Some of the emails wind up in my SPAM folder which is due, I am told,
>> to a misconfiguration of the maillist server that the owner will not
>> correct, not some nefarious plot of Google, this told to me from
>> UNIX/Linux IT professionals.

> Well that is some interesting news.  Wonder what "misconfiguration"
> those folks at google are talking about?

mjb.

Well, I was told this some 20+ years ago by a senior UNIX admin at
Raytheon or Grumman or one of those government contractors. We were
all member of the Tidewater UNIX Users Group. It seems that at the
time, one of his friends was a subscriber to the list, had this
problem and asked for his help. Apparently, it was a known but obscure
misconfiguration issue. When he contacted the mail list manager, he
was quickly rebuffed. When he told me this, rather than pursue it, I
just let it drop because what was the point then?

-- 
Hoyt

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue May  9 12:57:03 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 14:57:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Traffic
Message-ID: <006101d982a8$0b7c9190$2275b4b0$@charter.net>

Wow - I have seen more traffic on this list in the last 3 days than I have
in the last month. Or, at least I am receiving it. Refreshing!

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue May  9 13:11:28 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 19:11:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMMWdno0uwGiZmOORLf0poLviJihTfZjuf0w6Nf_y27Gg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1762559158.54614.1683659488159@mail.yahoo.com>

 I believe that was used on the 1969 model.? I believe it passed manifold vacuum to the retard module.? Later models had a port in the carb for that purpose and the switch became redundant.? (Redundant: british idiom for laid-off, out of work.)
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com>
To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, May 9, 2023 11:02 am
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?

I'm finally trying to organize my parts.In general I'm following the moss motors categories?for new parts.For cars I'm trying?to keep like models together - I've purchased too many unfinished projects.
I cane across a bag labelled throttle?linkage - and it looks like it has a vacuum switch mounted where the arrows are indicated below:


Any idea what year this is for?? Probably more of the pollution stuff....
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May  9 16:11:09 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:11:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] Upcoming long range trip
In-Reply-To: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
References: <C56314A0-DD6A-4902-B34B-421078F0F81B@fuse.net>
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As I recall, VTR offered its members access to a list of helpful people 
across the country who would be willing to assist in times of trouble. 
Not sure if they still do that, but if they do I hope they updated the 
Fat Chance Garage entry, as I don't do much anymore.

mjb.


From mark at bradakis.com  Tue May  9 16:16:38 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:16:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR list traffic
In-Reply-To: <CAMp=J_pmX3aE+H=GM4kx+H+j4vO779nUzAkY-MoA3h2GYrARJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMp=J_pmX3aE+H=GM4kx+H+j4vO779nUzAkY-MoA3h2GYrARJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d0584f2a-31f8-fcbb-f62a-f25415071c5d@bradakis.com>

On 5/9/23 12:19 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
> 
> Well, I was told this some 20+ years ago by a senior UNIX admin at
> Raytheon or Grumman or one of those government contractors. We were
> all member of the Tidewater UNIX Users Group. It seems that at the
> time, one of his friends was a subscriber to the list, had this
> problem and asked for his help. Apparently, it was a known but obscure
> misconfiguration issue. When he contacted the mail list manager, he
> was quickly rebuffed. When he told me this, rather than pursue it, I
> just let it drop because what was the point then?
> 

Interesting.  Since I have been the only 'mail list manager' since the 
list began, it must have been me he contacted.  But that was 20+ years 
ago, so if it was me, I certainly don't remember any such contact.

mjb.


From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue May  9 17:13:34 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 19:13:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMMWdno0uwGiZmOORLf0poLviJihTfZjuf0w6Nf_y27Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeMMWdno0uwGiZmOORLf0poLviJihTfZjuf0w6Nf_y27Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c2c01d982cb$e132e000$a398a000$@bell.net>

Obviously, you should organize in a way that will work for you, but I thought I might share an alternative that seems to me to be far superior to using the Moss parts numbers. For decades, I have been entering my various parts into spreadsheets with tabs for the storage locations (Bin1, Loose, Shelf X, etc.). It seems to me that the original parts numbers used by Triumph is the better choice since these are the numbers used by the Spare Parts Catalogue, Moss Europe, Rimmer Brothers, Revington TR, TRF, etc. Good luck with your project. I can attest to the fact that it will make locating needed parts much easier ? provided you keep it up to date.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

World of Triumph https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

From: Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2023 12:03 PM
To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?

 

I'm finally trying to organize my parts.

In general I'm following the moss motors categories for new parts.

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue May  9 19:10:26 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 01:10:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Traffic
In-Reply-To: <006101d982a8$0b7c9190$2275b4b0$@charter.net>
References: <006101d982a8$0b7c9190$2275b4b0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1525007488.107999.1683681026681@mail.yahoo.com>

 we could really wind things if we introduced politics......
    On Tuesday, May 9, 2023 at 05:33:55 PM PDT, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 
Wow ? I have seen more traffic on this list in the last 3 days than I have in the last month. Or, at least I am receiving it. Refreshing!

 ?

Alex Thomson

?73 TR6
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Tue May  9 22:23:43 2023
From: elliottr at rmi.net (elliottr at rmi.net)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 04:23:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding
Message-ID: <7051bdd8-e7b0-cc3f-b7f1-467b08bbc76d@rmi.net>

I've had good luck with this place: https://momamanufacturing.com

Roger Elliott
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Danielson <75TR6 at TR6.Danielsonfamily.org>
Sent: May 9, 2023 12:22 AM
To: tfansher at comcast.net <tfansher at comcast.net>, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding

Morris Mintz at West Valley Instruments in California https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/ 

Sent from Mail (https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986) for Windows

From: tfansher at comcast.net (mailto:tfansher at comcast.net)
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2023 9:35 PM
To: Triumphs (mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: [TR] TR4 instrument cleaning/rebuilding


Someone had posted an alternative to Nisonger's a while back.  I thought I had saved it, but can't find it now.  

As I remember, they would check instruments and then call with a quote and discuss what could or should be done and then proceed with what needed to be done.  Sounded like really good customer service. I sure would like their information. 

TIA 

Tom Fansher  

61 TR3A since 1972 

62 TR4 - down for rebuild 




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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed May 10 06:20:44 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 13:20:44 +0100
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 72
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1683655202.19525.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1683655202.19525.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I can thoroughly recommend Dave Connit?s plan to drive up Pikes Peak as part of his planned long distance odyssey.

Glenn Merrill and I did the same in 2009 using two Stags. For me, it was part of the 18,000 mile three month trip from coast to coast of the US and almost the same for Canada. With regard to the PEAK OF PIKE I found the altitude at 14000 odd feet made me a bit light-headed but neither car displayed an altitude problem in terms of power or re-starting at the summit. Didn?t touch the carbs at all following a final retune at Ragtops and Roadsters after about 3k miles and just kept on going with excellent performance, great cold starting and outstanding fuel economy. Just ensure you do PP on a fine day. The view from the summit is fantastic, though you?ll probably need a coat.

Jonmac

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed May 10 07:02:25 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 13:02:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 72
In-Reply-To: <0732A00B-4AB0-433C-8669-06239222A384@gmx.com>
References: <mailman.10.1683655202.19525.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 I took the TR6 up there in 2010.? It was a little reluctant to start and didn't want to idle well but no other issues.? I didn't get light-headed but found breathing a bit labored -- especially after playing a round of High Road to Garloch on the bagpipes.
The doughnuts are worth the trip.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, May 10, 2023 7:20 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 72

I can thoroughly recommend Dave Connit?s plan to drive up Pikes Peak as part of his planned long distance odyssey.

Glenn Merrill and I did the same in 2009 using two Stags. For me, it was part of the 18,000 mile three month trip from coast to coast of the US and almost the same for Canada. With regard to the PEAK OF PIKE I found the altitude at 14000 odd feet made me a bit light-headed but neither car displayed an altitude problem in terms of power or re-starting at the summit. Didn?t touch the carbs at all following a final retune at Ragtops and Roadsters after about 3k miles and just kept on going with excellent performance, great cold starting and outstanding fuel economy. Just ensure you do PP on a fine day. The view from the summit is fantastic, though you?ll probably need a coat.

Jonmac


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From PeterAra at msn.com  Wed May 10 10:46:42 2023
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 16:46:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
Message-ID: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>



> I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it has a vacuum switch

That vacuum control is for TR250 and early (1969) TR6.  Shown in Moss catalog (379-320) with emission control stuff.  TR #148400.  Controls the vacuum to advance side of distributor.  Very hard to come by.  Someone in community may need it.

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed May 10 11:41:49 2023
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 17:41:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1526661689.145805.1683740509844@mail.yahoo.com>

 What are you wanting for it?
My TR250 has the remains of one on it.
Chad
    On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:35:14 PM CDT, Peter Arakelian <peterara at msn.com> wrote:  
 
  
 ?
 
> I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it has a vacuum switch
 
 ?
 
That vacuum control is for TR250 and early (1969) TR6.? Shown in Moss catalog (379-320) with emission control stuff.? TR #148400.? Controls the vacuum to advance side of distributor.? Very hard to come by.? Someone in community may need it.
 
 ?
 
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed May 10 12:13:26 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 12:13:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <1526661689.145805.1683740509844@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <304d3d1b-db7c-c6b9-73b1-c42a4b8c55fc@porterscustom.com>

FWIW... unless one is strictly after originality I can't imagine why 
anyone would want such a mandated power robbing contraption to be 
operational.. Enlighten me.. DaveP

On 5/10/2023 11:41 AM, Chad wrote:
> What are you wanting for it?
>
> My TR250 has the remains of one on it.
>
> Chad
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:35:14 PM CDT, Peter Arakelian 
> <peterara at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it 
> has a vacuum switch
>
> That vacuum control is for TR250 and early (1969) TR6. Shown in Moss 
> catalog (379-320) with emission control stuff.? TR #148400.? Controls 
> the vacuum to advance side of distributor.? Very hard to come by. 
> Someone in community may need it.
>
> Peter Arakelian
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed May 10 13:56:01 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 19:56:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <304d3d1b-db7c-c6b9-73b1-c42a4b8c55fc@porterscustom.com>
References: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1526661689.145805.1683740509844@mail.yahoo.com>
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 ???? Power robbing?? It only removes the vacuum from the advance at idle.? When you are driving the advance is present.? Later model carbs do the same thing with a port on the bottom of the carb at the throttle plate.? 
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, May 10, 2023 1:13 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?

  FWIW... unless one is strictly after originality I can't imagine why anyone would want such a mandated power robbing contraption to be operational.. Enlighten me.. DaveP 
  On 5/10/2023 11:41 AM, Chad wrote:
  
  What are you wanting for it? 
  My TR250 has the remains of one on it. 
  Chad 
      On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:35:14 PM CDT, Peter Arakelian <peterara at msn.com> wrote:  
  
       ? > I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it has a vacuum switch  ? That vacuum control is for TR250 and early (1969) TR6.? Shown in Moss catalog (379-320) with emission control stuff.? TR #148400.? Controls the vacuum to advance side of distributor.? Very hard to come by.? Someone in community may need it.  ? Peter Arakelian    ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed May 10 14:18:14 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2023 15:18:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 throttle linkage with vacuum switch/valve?
In-Reply-To: <304d3d1b-db7c-c6b9-73b1-c42a4b8c55fc@porterscustom.com>
References: <SA1P223MB060616F823DF2D4403DA2E39C1779@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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My TR250 is stripped of it and I put on earlier Stromberg carbs from a TR4
or 4A, which are much simpler.  It runs great.  I believe the valve in
question was part of what I call the "push me pull you" vacuum advance and
retard arrangement on the TR250 and early TR6 (the distributor also had two
vacuum diaphragms) I have the remains of this system including the valve in
a box in the basement.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, May 10, 2023, 2:31 PM David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:

> FWIW... unless one is strictly after originality I can't imagine why
> anyone would want such a mandated power robbing contraption to be
> operational.. Enlighten me.. DaveP
> On 5/10/2023 11:41 AM, Chad wrote:
>
> What are you wanting for it?
>
> My TR250 has the remains of one on it.
>
> Chad
>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 12:35:14 PM CDT, Peter Arakelian
> <peterara at msn.com> <peterara at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > I cane across a bag labelled throttle linkage - and it looks like it has
> a vacuum switch
>
>
>
> That vacuum control is for TR250 and early (1969) TR6.  Shown in Moss
> catalog (379-320) with emission control stuff.  TR #148400.  Controls the
> vacuum to advance side of distributor.  Very hard to come by.  Someone in
> community may need it.
>
>
>
> Peter Arakelian
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri May 12 17:37:23 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 16:37:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
Message-ID: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>

Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off 
or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport 
with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I 
hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in 
flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could 
plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid 
for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.

I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone 
have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?

TeriAnn
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri May 12 18:47:46 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 19:47:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
In-Reply-To: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
References: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAuyJXUvKf8DFioMRTtCVq-GVTYmWOcFad2x0NiGvqpzA@mail.gmail.com>

The Harrington stainless steel bumpers I ordered for my TR3B c2010 online
from Vietnam arrived safely, fit perfectly, and have held up with not a bit
of change.  They're non-magnetic.  I'm a happy customer, TeriAnn

There's a *tiny* bit of difference in the shape of the overriders -- the
Vietnamese ones are a little more square-topped than the S-T originals, but
truly, it's barely noticed and not a fault IMO.

They come with the backsides painted black.  I painted mine a wheel-silver
to be a little more like original.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sNXf57k/0/6ebb95f7/X3/i-sNXf57k-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kSDpqKH/0/e6ee834f/X3/i-kSDpqKH-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-c38N3mB/1/bb1a5beb/X3/i-c38N3mB-X3.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-HBqPCJW/0/85bc942b/X3/i-HBqPCJW-X3.jpg

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 7:22?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off or
> e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport with
> the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I hit it
> with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in flakes with a
> steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could plate steel with a
> thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. Lasted fine in
> Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.
>
> I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone
> have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?
>
> TeriAnn
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From brserv at aol.com  Fri May 12 19:20:22 2023
From: brserv at aol.com (Alex Levy)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2023 21:20:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747@aol.com>

I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese replacement cooking grill for my propane grill. 

Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. 

Alex

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat May 13 03:11:51 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 05:11:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAuyJXUvKf8DFioMRTtCVq-GVTYmWOcFad2x0NiGvqpzA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
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Wow ? I never heard of ?plated? SS before.  Goes to show, there is no shame on E-Bay. The Harrington Bumpers really look great! They could be a substitute for a bathroom mirror.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 8:48 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Cc: Triumph List
Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel

 

The Harrington stainless steel bumpers I ordered for my TR3B c2010 online from Vietnam arrived safely, fit perfectly, and have held up with not a bit of change.  They're non-magnetic.  I'm a happy customer, TeriAnn

 

There's a *tiny* bit of difference in the shape of the overriders -- the Vietnamese ones are a little more square-topped than the S-T originals, but truly, it's barely noticed and not a fault IMO.

 

They come with the backsides painted black.  I painted mine a wheel-silver to be a little more like original.

 

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-sNXf57k/0/6ebb95f7/X3/i-sNXf57k-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-kSDpqKH/0/e6ee834f/X3/i-kSDpqKH-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-c38N3mB/1/bb1a5beb/X3/i-c38N3mB-X3.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-HBqPCJW/0/85bc942b/X3/i-HBqPCJW-X3.jpg

 

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 7:22?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.

I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?

TeriAnn

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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sat May 13 19:08:38 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:08:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747@aol.com>
References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
 <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747@aol.com>
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Sorry Alex,

You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".

I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
yet.   Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specific molecules similar to
mild steel.  You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chromium.

Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel are indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.  

Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions selected for its application
and environment use.  Just because it is stainless steel does not mean it is a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.

Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufacture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and not specify
what type.  Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel

I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese replacement cooking grill for
my propane grill. 

Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. 

Alex

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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sat May 13 19:15:07 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:15:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
In-Reply-To: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
References: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501d98601$86f5df50$94e19df0$@triumphstagclub.org>

TeriAnn,

 

Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.  Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of elements to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are magnetic.

 

I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish job.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel

 

Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.

I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?

TeriAnn

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat May 13 19:28:39 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 18:28:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <000001d98600$9f38ebd0$ddaac370$@triumphstagclub.org>
References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
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On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
> yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless 
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless 
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper 
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals 
elements."

They plate them somehow.


From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Sat May 13 20:01:43 2023
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:01:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
In-Reply-To: <000501d98601$86f5df50$94e19df0$@triumphstagclub.org>
References: <d459689e-6c3a-99dd-dfee-de28adccd300@gmail.com>
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Hi All

off topic, but sort of same topic. ? The new switch plates, faucets , 
sink drains etc, style is oiled bronze. ? Previously it was a nickle 
type finish.? Our entire house is oiled bronze. When I re-modeled our 
kitchen, I bought bronze drains.? About a month later I noticed a chip 
in one of the drains.? Today they are both nickle finish , the power 
coating came off.? Got to be careful of what you buy.? Nickle finish 
went out of style, so the manufacturer powder coated what they had left.

Patrick


On 5/13/2023 8:15 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>
> TeriAnn,
>
> Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.? 
> Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of 
> elements to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are 
> magnetic.
>
> I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish 
> job.
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
> *TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
>
> Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off 
> or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport 
> with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I 
> hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in 
> flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could 
> plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid 
> for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest 
> winter.
>
> I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. 
> Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Sat May 13 20:37:20 2023
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:37:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <e4ba1f4c-f864-baad-6327-655825fa9474@gmail.com>
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ask what country of manufacture

On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
>> stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
>> mild steel technology exists a of
>> yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in 
> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% 
> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The 
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper 
> are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad 
> weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat May 13 20:39:09 2023
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 02:39:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <e4ba1f4c-f864-baad-6327-655825fa9474@gmail.com>
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ChatGPT confirms:

Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel through an electrolytic process.

In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution, causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.

The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or corrosive substances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat May 13 22:05:58 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:05:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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On 5/13/23 7:37 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
> ask what country of manufacture
For the PTT stainless coated bumper, Vietnam.
>
> On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
>> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>>> Sorry Alex,
>>>
>>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
>>> stainless steel".
>>>
>>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
>>> mild steel technology exists a of
>>> yet.
>>
>> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in 
>> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% 
>> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The 
>> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of 
>> bumper are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the 
>> bad weather and chemicals elements."
>>
>> They plate them somehow.
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun May 14 06:24:21 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:24:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <000001d98600$9f38ebd0$ddaac370$@triumphstagclub.org>
References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <20407903.757593.1684067061088@mail.yahoo.com>

 McMaster-Carr has a nice concise overview primer on various materials, including Stainless Steel.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/about-stainless-steel/
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org
To: 'Alex Levy' <brserv at aol.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

Sorry Alex,

You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".

I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
yet.? Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specific molecules similar to
mild steel.? You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chromium.

Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel are indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.? 

Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions selected for its application
and environment use.? Just because it is stainless steel does not mean it is a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.

Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufacture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and not specify
what type.? Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel

I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese replacement cooking grill for
my propane grill. 

Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. 

Alex

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun May 14 06:35:25 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
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 They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are forged together using various processes.? It is possible that they are forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they would go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft steel.
On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
> yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless 
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless 
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper 
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals 
elements."

They plate them somehow.

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun May 14 07:17:12 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 06:17:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <1905437117.1969833.1684067725142@mail.yahoo.com>
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What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is 
about the same thickness as chrome plating.? think the question to ask a 
manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on 
the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished 
steel.

TeriAnn

On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are 
> forged together using various processes.? It is possible that they are 
> forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and 
> forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a 
> reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they 
> would go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more 
> easily machinable soft steel.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , 
> thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with 
> three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun May 14 08:04:04 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 09:04:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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Years ago (perhaps still) there was some video on YouTube showing one of
the Vietnamese workshops making stainless steel bumpers.  It was a bunch of
Geppettos banging them out by hand in a courtyard more than a factory with
machine tooling.

My guess for why the back side is heavily painted is to hide the
handworking marks that are polished out of the front side.

TeriAnn, your 2008 bumpers sound like chrome plated carbon steel, not
polished stainless.  The idea of some amalgam of stainless and carbon
steels to save money doesn't square with the cottage/craft industry that
makes these, AFAIK.

On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 8:50?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is
> about the same thickness as chrome plating.  think the question to ask a
> manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on
> the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished
> steel.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.  These are forged
> together using various processes.  It is possible that they are forging
> flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming
> bumpers out of that sandwich.  Stainless steel has a reputation of being
> difficult to machine and this may explain why they would go to the trouble
> of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft steel.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness
> 1.5mm"   If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats of
> paint?  Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild
> steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sun May 14 13:40:58 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 13:40:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel,
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Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!  

Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
 If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
ChatGPT disclaimers)

The Science:  
Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
using electrolysis.  

Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity? 
 ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.

Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
criteria, I have some to sell you from China.

100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
marketing claims meant to deceive.  

Caveat Emptor ya'll.

"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
% game since the day it was formed.

There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE". 

316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
or Solid are meaningless.

I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
nuclear power instrumentation.

There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
nuclear generated steam.  
Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.
  
And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.  

I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.

Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.  

Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
rely upon as facts.

That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question: 

"Do you know what I mean?".  

No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
with the algorithm.

Know what I mean?

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stan Foster
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

ChatGPT confirms:

Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
through an electrolytic process.

In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.

The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
corrosive substances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sun May 14 13:50:23 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 13:50:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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TeriAnn,

No, wrong!!  They specifically state:  "Grade 304".  

That is NOT plating, that is the composition of the steel to an international forging composition
standard that sets the amount of nickel, chromium, molybdenum and other metals used in the forge.

100% is not a grade, that is supporting the statement for 304 stainless which is the grade.  

Nowhere in their statement do they make any claim "plated" or stainless steel plated.

They do state for marketing 100% stainless steel, and engineering standard for 304 grade.

It is an engineering thang ...

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 7:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun May 14 13:57:30 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:57:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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On 5/14/23 12:50 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> TeriAnn,
>
> No, wrong!!  They specifically state:  "Grade 304".
OK, Grade 304 stainless steel 1.5 mm thick. Makes for? very thin bumper. 
But it does have 3 layers of paint on the back side to protect the bumper.
>   
>
> That is NOT plating, that is the composition of the steel to an international forging composition
> standard that sets the amount of nickel, chromium, molybdenum and other metals used in the forge.
>
> 100% is not a grade, that is supporting the statement for 304 stainless which is the grade.
>
> Nowhere in their statement do they make any claim "plated" or stainless steel plated.
>
> They do state for marketing 100% stainless steel, and engineering standard for 304 grade.
>
> It is an engineering thang ...
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 7:29 PM
> To:triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM,stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
>> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sun May 14 15:27:36 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 15:27:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
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TeriAnn,

 

The thickness of hard chrome plating falls in the range of 0.0008 inch eight ten thousandths of an inch (0.02032 mm) (two hundredths of a millimeter) to 0.0015 inch (0.0381mm) but regular chrome plating is typically far less than the hard plating spec 0.0318 mm / 0.0015 inch unless the deposit is specified to be tested by a quality specification and measured by a precision gauge at a number of points across the surface.

 

For comparison to move thicker, food wrapper aluminum foil is about 0.04mm or about 0.0016 inch and thicker depending on its specifications for use which is about the thickness of paint on your car.

 

If you take a flake of chrome plating, it will have the thickness of both the copper layer and the chrome layer.

 

Now look at 1.5 mm (standard metric is 1.519mm) (1000 times thicker than plating) is approximately 16 gauge steel thickness or ~0.0598 inch.

 

I think the OE bumpers were most likely 0.1046 inch (2.657mm) or one tenth of an inch being 12-gauge mild steel because there was some belief in structural safety before crumple zones.

 

304 stainless is much harder and more durable than mild steel of the same thickness, certainly when pressed or hammered into the shape of the Triumph bumper, so 16-gauge 304 stainless steel could be justified, but those bumpers are most likely not DOT rated either for say a 5mph ?bumper? accident test and I will bet they have some disclaimer in their fine print that the bumpers are for cosmetic or show use.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

 

From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 1:58 PM
To: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

 

On 5/14/23 12:50 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

TeriAnn,
 
No, wrong!!  They specifically state:  "Grade 304". 

OK, Grade 304 stainless steel 1.5 mm thick. Makes for  very thin bumper. But it does have 3 layers of paint on the back side to protect the bumper.



 
 
That is NOT plating, that is the composition of the steel to an international forging composition
standard that sets the amount of nickel, chromium, molybdenum and other metals used in the forge.
 
100% is not a grade, that is supporting the statement for 304 stainless which is the grade.  
 
Nowhere in their statement do they make any claim "plated" or stainless steel plated.
 
They do state for marketing 100% stainless steel, and engineering standard for 304 grade.
 
It is an engineering thang ...
 
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 7:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
 
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

Sorry Alex,
 
You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
 
I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
mild steel technology exists a of yet.

 
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
 
They plate them somehow.
 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun May 14 16:02:04 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 15:02:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel,
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Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.

1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel. 
The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine. 
This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was 
based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is 
from this past winter.

2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the 
thickness I associate with chrome flakes.

3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company 
advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and 
three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.

That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they 
lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons 
they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good 
for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased 
and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't 
complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome 
bumpers I had purchased.

TeriAnn


On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!
>
> Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
> ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
>   If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
> prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
> ChatGPT disclaimers)
>
> The Science:
> Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
> properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
> steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
> does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
> metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
> properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
> is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
> using electrolysis.
>
> Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity?
>   ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
> ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
> 200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
>
> Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
> because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
> 24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
> criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
>
> 100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
> marketing claims meant to deceive.
>
> Caveat Emptor ya'll.
>
> "My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
> that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
> % game since the day it was formed.
>
> There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
> been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
> engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE".
>
> 316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
> or Solid are meaningless.
>
> I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
> apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
> production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
> the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
> the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
> nuclear power instrumentation.
>
> There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
> nuclear generated steam.
> Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
> your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.
>    
> And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
> technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
> and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.
>
> I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
> after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
> if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.
>
> Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.
>
> Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
> extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
> ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
> rely upon as facts.
>
> That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question:
>
> "Do you know what I mean?".
>
> No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
> your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
> with the algorithm.
>
> Know what I mean?
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of Stan Foster
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<tjwakeman at gmail.com>;triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> ChatGPT confirms:
>
> Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
> galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
> through an electrolytic process.
>
> In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
> containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
> causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
>
> The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
> can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
> corrosive substances.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
> To:triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM,stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
>> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 22:55:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 76
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When I was in college I worked at a plating shop. I thought the best combination was a strong steel base with chromium plating. Since the bumper is supposed to absorb damage I think that is better than using Stainless steel which is weaker, I've got a 3 body in my back lot which has been sitting for 20 years and the bumpers are perfect. They used stainless in passengeer train construction since the 1930's, the biggest problem was that it was hard to spot weld.Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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? 4. Re: Skin deep stainless steel (Patrick Baize)
? 5. Re: Stainless Steel (Patrick Baize)
? 6. Re: Stainless Steel (Stan Foster)
? 7. Re: Stainless Steel (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:08:38 -0600
From: <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>
To: "'Alex Levy'" <brserv at aol.com>,??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID: <000001d98600$9f38ebd0$ddaac370$@triumphstagclub.org>
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Sorry Alex,

You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".

I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
yet.? Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specific molecules similar to
mild steel.? You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chromium.

Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel are indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.? 

Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions selected for its application
and environment use.? Just because it is stainless steel does not mean it is a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.

Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufacture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and not specify
what type.? Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel

I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese replacement cooking grill for
my propane grill. 

Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. 

Alex

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 19:15:07 -0600
From: <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>
To: "'TeriAnn J. Wakeman'" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>, "'Triumph List'"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
Message-ID: <000501d98601$86f5df50$94e19df0$@triumphstagclub.org>
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TeriAnn,

 

Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.? Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of elements to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are magnetic.

 

I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish job.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel

 

Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest winter.

I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?

TeriAnn

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Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 18:28:39 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
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On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
> yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless 
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless 
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper 
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals 
elements."

They plate them somehow.



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:01:43 -0500
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
Message-ID: <4da8108e-2e14-5c9e-a442-fd510963bf0c at satx.rr.com>
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Hi All

off topic, but sort of same topic. ? The new switch plates, faucets , 
sink drains etc, style is oiled bronze. ? Previously it was a nickle 
type finish.? Our entire house is oiled bronze. When I re-modeled our 
kitchen, I bought bronze drains.? About a month later I noticed a chip 
in one of the drains.? Today they are both nickle finish , the power 
coating came off.? Got to be careful of what you buy.? Nickle finish 
went out of style, so the manufacturer powder coated what they had left.

Patrick


On 5/13/2023 8:15 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>
> TeriAnn,
>
> Well there is no stainless steel plating onto other metal process.? 
> Stainless steel is forged in furnaces using different compositions of 
> elements to make different grades of stainless steel, some which are 
> magnetic.
>
> I will guess someone did a cheap chrome plating job, or a quick polish 
> job.
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
> *TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> *Sent:* Friday, May 12, 2023 5:37 PM
> *To:* Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Skin deep stainless steel
>
> Around 2008 or so I purchased stainless steel front & rear bumpers off 
> or e-bay. Looked good fit OK. Last winter my TR was in an open carport 
> with the front towards prevailing winds. And my front bumper rusted. I 
> hit it with steel wool today and that "stainless steel" came off in 
> flakes with a steel bumper underneath. I had no idea that you could 
> plate steel with a thin layer of stainless. I didn't get what I paid 
> for. Lasted fine in Arizona but couldn't handle a pacific northwest 
> winter.
>
> I guess the next SS bumper will need to be checked with a magnet. 
> Anyone have a reliable source for real stainless steel TR3A bumpers?
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:37:20 -0500
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID: <5a3280d7-92aa-bf4b-da58-56a35acfa971 at satx.rr.com>
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ask what country of manufacture

On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> Sorry Alex,
>>
>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
>> stainless steel".
>>
>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
>> mild steel technology exists a of
>> yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in 
> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% 
> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The 
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper 
> are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad 
> weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 02:39:09 +0000
From: Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com>
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID:
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ChatGPT confirms:

Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel through an electrolytic process.

In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution, causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.

The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or corrosive substances.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."

They plate them somehow.

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 13 May 2023 21:05:58 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID: <8ba60579-625c-feea-5126-a34e888c6fa1 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"

On 5/13/23 7:37 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
> ask what country of manufacture
For the PTT stainless coated bumper, Vietnam.
>
> On 5/13/2023 8:28 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
>> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>>> Sorry Alex,
>>>
>>> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
>>> stainless steel".
>>>
>>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
>>> mild steel technology exists a of
>>> yet.
>>
>> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in 
>> stainless steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% 
>> stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The 
>> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of 
>> bumper are cover by 3 painted layers to protect the bumper from the 
>> bad weather and chemicals elements."
>>
>> They plate them somehow.
>>
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Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:24:21 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org"
??? <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>,? "brserv at aol.com"
??? <brserv at aol.com>,? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 McMaster-Carr has a nice concise overview primer on various materials, including Stainless Steel.
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/about-stainless-steel/
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org
To: 'Alex Levy' <brserv at aol.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:08 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

Sorry Alex,

You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".

I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
yet.? Plating is electrolysis, and the mild steel will only attract specific molecules similar to
mild steel.? You can copper plate mild steel because there are similar molecules, when then allows
either chromium to be plated or for triple plate, nickel plate and then chromium.

Stainless steel comes in different grades, some grades of stainless steel are indeed magnetic
depending on the amount of ferric used in the recipe.? 

Stainless comes in dozens of different types and chemical compositions selected for its application
and environment use.? Just because it is stainless steel does not mean it is a grade or composition
that isn't magnetic or completely corrosion resistant.

Unless the specific grade of stainless is specified for the product manufacture, any grade of
stainless steel might be used, and manufacturers might advertise stainless steel and not specify
what type.? Without specifying what type, you have no idea what corrosion properties to expect.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Alex Levy
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel

I have come across several items that were supposed to be solid stainless steel, but they were
regular steel plated with stainless steel. The last one was my Chinese replacement cooking grill for
my propane grill. 

Also, many grades of steel are mildly to strongly magnetic. Beware. 

Alex

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Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 12:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "tjwakeman at gmail.com" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
Message-ID: <1905437117.1969833.1684067725142 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are forged together using various processes.? It is possible that they are forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they would go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft steel.
On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel

On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild steel technology exists a of
> yet.

"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless 
steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless 
steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper 
is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 
painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals 
elements."

They plate them somehow.

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Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 06:17:12 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
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What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is 
about the same thickness as chrome plating.? think the question to ask a 
manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on 
the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished 
steel.

TeriAnn

On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are 
> forged together using various processes.? It is possible that they are 
> forging flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and 
> forming bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a 
> reputation of being difficult to machine and this may explain why they 
> would go to the trouble of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more 
> easily machinable soft steel.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , 
> thickness 1.5mm"?? If that were the case why paint the inside with 
> three coats of paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid 
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
> mild steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
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Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 09:04:04 -0500
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
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Years ago (perhaps still) there was some video on YouTube showing one of
the Vietnamese workshops making stainless steel bumpers.? It was a bunch of
Geppettos banging them out by hand in a courtyard more than a factory with
machine tooling.

My guess for why the back side is heavily painted is to hide the
handworking marks that are polished out of the front side.

TeriAnn, your 2008 bumpers sound like chrome plated carbon steel, not
polished stainless.? The idea of some amalgam of stainless and carbon
steels to save money doesn't square with the cottage/craft industry that
makes these, AFAIK.

On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 8:50?AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> What is flaking off my bumper as I go over the rust with steel wool is
> about the same thickness as chrome plating.? think the question to ask a
> manufacturer is if the bumper is 100% stainless steel or is it plated on
> the front. And to look at the back to see if it is painted or unpolished
> steel.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 5/14/23 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> They make stainless pots and pans with aluminum inserts.? These are forged
> together using various processes.? It is possible that they are forging
> flat plates of stainless and mild steel and then punching and forming
> bumpers out of that sandwich.? Stainless steel has a reputation of being
> difficult to machine and this may explain why they would go to the trouble
> of forging a thin layer or stainless on a more easily machinable soft steel.
>
> On the other hand, they say "100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness
> 1.5mm"? If that were the case why paint the inside with three coats of
> paint?? Me thinks they are lying.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, May 13, 2023 8:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
> > Sorry Alex,
> >
> > You may want to do some fact checking.? There is no grade for "solid
> stainless steel".
> >
> > I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over mild
> steel technology exists a of
> > yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless
> steel bumpers for classic car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless
> steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The gloss of bumper
> is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3
> painted layers to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals
> elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun May 14 17:22:09 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 18:22:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <21ec703f-444f-cf74-407d-d1c755f47695@gmail.com>
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How thick were your original bumpers, TeriAnn?  IIRC, mine were about 2mm,
so 1.5mm really isn't a lot of difference.  (Both sets are out in the
garage, so I'll confirm mine when I have a moment).

On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 5:06?PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 5/14/23 12:50 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>
> TeriAnn,
>
> No, wrong!!  They specifically state:  "Grade 304".
>
> OK, Grade 304 stainless steel 1.5 mm thick. Makes for  very thin bumper.
> But it does have 3 layers of paint on the back side to protect the bumper.
>
>
>
> That is NOT plating, that is the composition of the steel to an international forging composition
> standard that sets the amount of nickel, chromium, molybdenum and other metals used in the forge.
>
> 100% is not a grade, that is supporting the statement for 304 stainless which is the grade.
>
> Nowhere in their statement do they make any claim "plated" or stainless steel plated.
>
> They do state for marketing 100% stainless steel, and engineering standard for 304 grade.
>
> It is an engineering thang ...
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 7:29 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>
> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>
> Sorry Alex,
>
> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>
> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
>
> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>
> They plate them somehow.
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun May 14 18:54:00 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 20:54:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel,
In-Reply-To: <1a61bdea-f576-62e6-64df-f19e5ce626c2@gmail.com>
References: <E1A62374-33CF-4754-B83C-A0AFEF295747.ref@aol.com>
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Harrington the the dist for the Vietnam company.
https://groupharrington.com/brand/triumph/

(copy of one my my own emails back in 2021)

Please note thatwhile the shape of the bumpers is the same for_Spitfire 
M4, GT6 MK3 and1500_, there are two different types of number plate 
light holes in the rear bumper.

 ?The original rear bumper we use as pattern for reproduction has two 
bigger holes and two smaller holes for mounting one big license plate 
light frame. These holes are correct for_GT6 MK3, Spitfire Mk4 and early 
1500 models_. Later 1500 models did, however, use two separate lights 
and as such the holes are different ? I am afraid that we do not supply 
the rear bumper with these holes, but should your car really be a later 
1500 model I can offer you to not pre-drill the holes so you can make 
them yourself. You can find a photo at the bottom of this email and 
confirm which type you require.

 ?We can have the bumpers ready for shipping within 15-20 working days 
after receipt of payment and confirmation. Shipping is with airfreight 
which only takes 3-4 days straight to your door.

 ?With regards to payment - we accept Paypal, Bank transfer. In case you 
decide to order, please let me know which method you prefer, I will then 
send you more details.

Should you have any questions, please don?t hesitate to contact me.

 ?Best Regards,

Thao

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On 5/14/2023 6:02 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.
>
> 1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless 
> steel. The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome 
> shine. This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the 
> company was based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, 
> the rust is from this past winter.
>
> 2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the 
> thickness I associate with chrome flakes.
>
> 3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam 
> company advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless 
> steel, and three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from 
> the weather.
>
> That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they 
> lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons 
> they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good 
> for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously 
> purchased and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from 
> chrome. I didn't complete the rebuild of my car before I could see 
> rust on the new chrome bumpers I had purchased.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
> On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org wrote:
>> Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!
>>
>> Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
>> ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
>>   If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
>> prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
>> ChatGPT disclaimers)
>>
>> The Science:
>> Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
>> properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
>> steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
>> does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
>> metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
>> properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
>> is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
>> using electrolysis.
>>
>> Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity?
>>   ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
>> ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
>> 200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
>>
>> Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
>> because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
>> 24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
>> criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
>>
>> 100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
>> marketing claims meant to deceive.
>>
>> Caveat Emptor ya'll.
>>
>> "My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
>> that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
>> % game since the day it was formed.
>>
>> There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
>> been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
>> engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE".
>>
>> 316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
>> or Solid are meaningless.
>>
>> I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
>> apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
>> production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
>> the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
>> the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
>> nuclear power instrumentation.
>>
>> There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
>> nuclear generated steam.
>> Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
>> your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.
>>    
>> And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
>> technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
>> and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.
>>
>> I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
>> after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
>> if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.
>>
>> Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.
>>
>> Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
>> extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
>> ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
>> rely upon as facts.
>>
>> That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question:
>>
>> "Do you know what I mean?".
>>
>> No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
>> your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
>> with the algorithm.
>>
>> Know what I mean?
>>
>> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of Stan Foster
>> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
>> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman<tjwakeman at gmail.com>;triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>>
>> ChatGPT confirms:
>>
>> Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
>> galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
>> through an electrolytic process.
>>
>> In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
>> containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
>> causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
>>
>> The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
>> can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
>> corrosive substances.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs<triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>  On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
>> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
>> To:triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
>>
>> On 5/13/23 6:08 PM,stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  wrote:
>>> Sorry Alex,
>>>
>>> You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
>>>
>>> I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over
>>> mild steel technology exists a of yet.
>> "Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
>> car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
>> gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
>> to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
>>
>> They plate them somehow.
>>
>> **triumphs at autox.team.net  **
>>
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sun May 14 19:44:52 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2023 19:44:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel,
In-Reply-To: <1a61bdea-f576-62e6-64df-f19e5ce626c2@gmail.com>
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TeriAnn,

 

Not all chrome looks the same.  There is really cheap chrome and very expensive show chrome, all on different metal bases.  

The two look extremely different.

 

If I had to guess, I ?d say the ones you bought out of Mexico were cheap chrome marketed and sold as stainless, but are actually chromed mild steel.

 

Cheap chrome will not last.  I am not sure I understand the discussion between the bumpers from Mexico 14 years ago and the 1.5mm (16 gauge) 304 Stainless ones from Vietnam?

 

Do you still have the bumpers from Mexico?  Take them to any reputable hot rod show chrome shop and they will give you a free quote to re-chrome them for price comparison, then will either confirm if the chrome job is cheap, or if it is some sort of leading edge 14-year-old stainless steel plating.

 

If they say it is stainless steel plating, get that in writing, I will buy your drinks at the next Triumphest.

 

If they say it was cheap chrome job from Mexico, you buy my drinks at the next Triumphest I attend.

 

Deal?

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2023 4:02 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel,

 

Regardless of what is deemed possible and what is not.

 

1. I purchased a set of bumpers off of e-bay labeled as stainless steel. The bumper has a slightly different colour cast than a chrome shine. This winter it grew a lot of rust spots. As I remember the company was based in Mexico. The purchase was about 14ish years ago, the rust is from this past winter.

 

2. I hit it with steel wool and saw bright metal flakes about the thickness I associate with chrome flakes.

 

3. A google search for stainless steel bumpers yielded A Vietnam company advertising stainless steel bumpers. 1.5mm thick stainless steel, and three layers of paint on the back side to protect it from the weather.

 

That's all I know. If it is impossible, how do they do it or are they lying about their process and products. I don't care about the reasons they could not make the products they sell. These bumpers looked good for about 10 years longer than new chrome bumpers I previously purchased and as I mentioned the colour cast was different from chrome. I didn't complete the rebuild of my car before I could see rust on the new chrome bumpers I had purchased.

 

TeriAnn

 

 

On 5/14/23 12:40 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

Wooo HOOOO, the ChatGPT fact checker!!  
 
Go right ahead and believe the output of ChatGPT Ai all you want,  but nobody should consider
ChatGPT AI a fact checker (see its disclaimer) by any means.
 If you really want to go there, definitely make sure your doctor uses ChatGPT Ai to write your
prescription and guide the cancer surgeon to cure you on your next doctor visit too. (Read the
ChatGPT disclaimers)
 
The Science:  
Although stainless steel plating "may be possible", it is "not economically feasible" nor "complete
properties transfer", BECAUSE the technology has not been yet developed to take something like mild
steel or pot metal and plate it in "stainless" BECAUSE the molecular transfer - the electrolysis
does not transfer all the properties (ions) of stainless properties to the surface of the receptor
metal.  Since the electrolysis process does not transfer ALL the stainless-steel molecular
properties content, it is not, and cannot be "stainless steel" plating BECAUSE one, stainless steel
is a grade of steel composition, and two, not all the stainless-steel properties can be transferred
using electrolysis.  
 
Why believe established engineering science as opposed to another all-knowing Ai deity? 
 ChatGPT is, as it has been proven in most cases, incorrect, why?  In this case, it is because
ChatGPT does not state the grade of stainless-steel plating, and that can be any grade from grade
200 to Hastelloy C276 that BTW, cannot be tested.
 
Using the term "solid stainless steel".  It is like saying plywood or engineered wood is solid wood
because it contains all wood products or,  that a piece of jewelry is "solid gold" when it may be
24,18,16,12 karat gold content or even "solid gold" flash plating. If you want "solid gold" as the
criteria, I have some to sell you from China.
 
100% and "solid" are marketing hype found only from hucksters, sales people, fraudsters and flashy
marketing claims meant to deceive.  
 
Caveat Emptor ya'll.
 
"My 'shine is 100% corn sour mash", but I add a little rice and barley and herbs to the mash for
that family secret flavor, but it's 100% corn in that mash".  Uh huh, the FDA has been playing that
% game since the day it was formed.
 
There are literally dozens of grades of stainless steel.  Stainless steel it is not, nor has it ever
been graded by "solid" or 100%.  Stainless steel composition is set by standards written by various
engineers to address specific hardness , wear and corrosion properties, then set to a "GRADE". 
 
316 stainless steel, or Hastelloy C276,  now that I can understand as being stainless steel.  100%
or Solid are meaningless.
 
I have spent the better part of 50 years automating control systems for all sorts of processes from
apple pealing and produce processing, semiconductors, nuclear power, Watson Ai, ultra-pure water
production to x-ray imaging and xenon gas detection, and a large part of that job was to know metals
the metals used in those machines or processes, and most times get metal composition certified from
the manufacturers process used in regulated processes like pharmaceuticals, food processing, and
nuclear power instrumentation.
 
There are reasons you do not want certain metals touching the food you eat or in contact with
nuclear generated steam.  
Run that one through ChatGPT Ai and see what metals leach cancer causing molecules directly into
your medicines or food and accept it as fact if you trust ChatGPT "facts" with your life.
  
And there are reasons why "stainless steel plating" is also hype, as of today at least.  I am sure
technology will advance someday to plate 308 or 316 or Hastelloy C276 onto pot metal or mild steel
and the process will be certified, but it does not exist as of the date of this email.  
 
I will gladly accept a show quality triple plate chrome bumper for my Triumph and it will last long
after I am gone, because its corrosion properties have been proven to last more than 50 years.  But
if it is claimed to be solid stainless or 100% stainless, I'll want to know the grade AND polish.
 
Here we go with another "fluif" worthless discussion.  
 
Another Caveat from someone who actually worked on IBM Watson speech recognition project:  Be
extremely careful how you compose OpenAi ChatGPT questions including the specific wording and
ordering and grammar in that question, you may not get the answers you expect and will then blindly
rely upon as facts.
 
That is because OpenAI ChatGPT is not programmed nor capable to answer your question: 
 
"Do you know what I mean?".  
 
No computer program algorithm has of yet until you attach the bio-junction connection directly into
your brain, and even then, it will probably get it wrong because some novice app programmer came up
with the algorithm.
 
Know what I mean?
 
Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Stan Foster
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 8:39 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman  <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
 
ChatGPT confirms:
 
Yes, it is possible to plate steel with stainless steel. This process is known as electroplating or
galvanization and involves depositing a thin layer of stainless steel onto the surface of the steel
through an electrolytic process.
 
In this process, the steel is first cleaned and then placed in an electrolytic bath with a solution
containing the ions of the stainless steel. An electric current is then passed through the solution,
causing the ions to be deposited onto the surface of the steel.
 
The resulting plated steel will have the corrosion-resistant properties of stainless steel, which
can be beneficial for applications where the steel will be exposed to harsh environments or
corrosive substances.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2023 9:29 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Stainless Steel
 
On 5/13/23 6:08 PM, stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>  wrote:

Sorry Alex,
 
You may want to do some fact checking.  There is no grade for "solid stainless steel".
 
I do not believe a stainless-steel plating exists for plating over 
mild steel technology exists a of yet.

 
"Welcome to PTT BUMPERS. We are a specialist manufacturing in stainless steel bumpers for classic
car. Our bumper are made of 100% stainless steel grade 304 , thickness 1.5mm and hand polished. The
gloss of bumper is shiny like mirror polish and the backside of bumper are cover by 3 painted layers
to protect the bumper from the bad weather and chemicals elements."
 
They plate them somehow.
 
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Mon May 15 14:16:48 2023
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 16:16:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stainless Steel
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1684173602.23120.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon May 15 15:34:43 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 22:34:43 +0100
Subject: [TR] Stainless steel - or The Gospel according to St. Glenn of
 Merrill
Message-ID: <3DDECF2A-0CB1-47C9-B89C-2ADD0BCFB206@gmx.com>

Well, if you didn?t know about stainless and plating, my good friend Glenn has (hopefully) clarified or further confused those with enquiring minds.

For me, I?ve never been aware of stainless lookalike front or rear bumpers. It?s a long time ago since I rebuilt my now long gone and much missed big Triumph saloon, but when it came to replacing the front and rear ends, I handed the job to an old friend I?d made at Jaguar in the sixties. He had his own plating company (now sold and made him a millionaire) and he did my bumpers as per spec at Jaguar - viz copper, nickel, copper, chrome - and it wasn?t just ?flashed? on. Done proper, ?twas. Cost me a fortune but when they were fitted, that car looked the ?dogs bollocks?.  Quality always shows in the end.

Jonmac

From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue May 16 06:45:53 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2023 08:45:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stainless steel - or The Gospel according to St. Glenn of
 Merrill
In-Reply-To: <3DDECF2A-0CB1-47C9-B89C-2ADD0BCFB206@gmx.com>
References: <3DDECF2A-0CB1-47C9-B89C-2ADD0BCFB206@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CO_62+p54XRB=95CGpvsu41UJXL08wnbfjgr=EWbsCrjA@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 7:18?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>
> Cost me a fortune but when they were fitted, that car looked the ?dogs bollocks?.  Quality always shows in the end.

As do the dog's bollocks, coincidentally.

From tfansher at comcast.net  Thu May 18 12:41:46 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Thomas Fansher)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2023 14:41:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 ashtray
Message-ID: <DC3066D2-EC05-4CCC-AC06-46BA644E6BAB@comcast.net>

The spring metal piece of the ash tray has broken.  Does anyone have a fix or a replacement?  For a 1962 model - but shouldn?t matter. 
TIA
Tom
61 TR3A
62 TR4

Sent from my iPad

From lherault at verizon.net  Fri May 19 14:03:49 2023
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L"Herault)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2023 16:03:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] &R4 ashtray
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1684519201.618.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8.1684519201.618.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <001301d98a8d$0781f700$1685e500$@verizon.net>



-----Original Message-----


   1. TR4 ashtray (Thomas Fansher)

----------------------------------------------------------------------


The spring metal piece of the ash tray has broken.  Does anyone have a fix
or a replacement?  For a 1962 model - but shouldn?t matter. 
TIA
Tom
61 TR3A
62 TR4
-------------------

I would think the Roadster Factory would have a replacement.   I bought one
for my TR-6 from them.  Gotta have some place to put loose nuts and bolts.


Ron L


From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed May 24 12:35:24 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 14:35:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>

My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that
the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The
oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet
with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound
too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost
like that? Anyone else have that problem?

Dave Friedlander
Maine
?74 Six
?59 Three A
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed May 24 13:24:54 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 15:24:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76e4b11b-7560-581e-1284-ef23a04ed440@verizon.net>

sure can. The back is only crimped in place. Heat cycles, and the crimp 
relaxes (and or back cap cracks)

ptegler

On 5/24/2023 2:35 PM, David Friedlander wrote:
> My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, 
> that the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the 
> case. The oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), 
> is pretty wet with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile 
> drive. Not to sound too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches 
> leak/give up the ghost like that? Anyone else have that problem?
>
> Dave Friedlander
> Maine
> ?74 Six
> ?59 Three A
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed May 24 13:43:13 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 19:43:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a29c146ca3b04449a2834da5fc2c184c@ranteer.com>

Oh yes.  Mine did the same thing.  Moss parts are crap.  Lots of plastic.   Get a used all metal one


-------- Original message --------
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Date: 5/24/23 2:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch

My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost like that? Anyone else have that problem?

Dave Friedlander
Maine
?74 Six
?59 Three A
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed May 24 17:53:34 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 19:53:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01d98e9a$f3d439e0$db7cada0$@charter.net>

Ah yes! And finding one that can withstand pressure pulses along with high pressure and also maintaining the pre-set low pressure limit can be a challenge. I had a Deere 435 with the Detroit Diesel 2-53 and most switches in the NAPA catalog never seemed to last.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 2:35 PM
To: New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch

 

My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost like that? Anyone else have that problem?

 

Dave Friedlander 

Maine

?74 Six

?59 Three A

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed May 24 19:35:24 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 21:35:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <232976296.1233274.1684975320616@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwht-fsbiR-qr3yYOEt278nErM6Jrt_pS4AS0ZvgKg6oeg@mail.gmail.com>
 <LV2PR01MB7646A4302FB245DFF2F5714FB6419@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>
 <889109948.1224399.1684972662611@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhFOiB7+hVFOOrzMHABGuSz3p9GoxvTrXNw3sX2xmv6Xw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! So glad I asked ! I almost had a nasty oil gusher to deal with. This
car will stay put in the garage until I can get a new switch and figure out
the proper wiring. Thanks to all for the advice?. AND the warning!! ?

Dave

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 8:42 PM tritriple at aol.com <tritriple at aol.com> wrote:

> Replace the switch ...now.... before it blows out altogether.   That
> happened to me on my TR7.   The day after returning from Stowe, I took the
> TR7 to work, and when backing into my spot at the shop I noticed a very
> dark line of oil coming into and then following me to where I park.   I
> open the hood and start the engine, oil is just gushing out of the
> sender.....If this had happened on the ride home the day before, I am
> pretty sure the engine would have been toast.... Oil light never came on
> this day....   The reason the light never came on was the wires were in the
> wrong place..... Now I have an oil light and the anti-run valve works !!!!
>  See ya,  John B.
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 07:58:34 PM EDT, Phil Brzozoski via NET <
> net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
>
>
> For what it is worth - one of the three leads on that oil pressure switch
> provides ground for the anti-run on valve when you first turn off the
> engine.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert M Lang via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> To: New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>; TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>; David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wed, May 24, 2023 3:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
>
> Those sending units can fail several ways resulting in leaks. Worst case -
> remove it and put a 1/8 NPT plug in there (or any sending unit with 1/8 NPT
> threads - just to plug the hole).
>
> Pay attention to the wires when you take them off. Else, there are
> detailed schematics on which wire goes where. The Dan Maters book shows
> details but don't assume that the wires go back to the same location. The
> terminals on the switch are labelled and you have to wire to the proper
> terminal...
>
> I have seen the sending unit blow the guts out. ALL the oil can evacuate
> the sump fairly quickly when that happens.
>
> Good luck!
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang
>                           Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David
> Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2023 2:35 PM
> *To:* New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>; TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
>
> My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that
> the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The
> oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet
> with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound
> too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost
> like that? Anyone else have that problem?
>
> Dave Friedlander
> Maine
> ?74 Six
> ?59 Three A
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed May 24 20:04:15 2023
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2023 02:04:15 +0000
Subject: [TR] [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhFOiB7+hVFOOrzMHABGuSz3p9GoxvTrXNw3sX2xmv6Xw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <889109948.1224399.1684972662611@mail.yahoo.com>
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If the threads are 1/8? NPT, then you can use a Standard PS-64 switch, fairly common for 70s GM vehicles. Rockauto shows a 3yr warranty on that part.

Cliff


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From: David Friedlander<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 7:57 PM
To: tritriple at aol.com<mailto:tritriple at aol.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>; pbrzozoski at netscape.net<mailto:pbrzozoski at netscape.net>; net at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch

Wow! So glad I asked ! I almost had a nasty oil gusher to deal with. This car will stay put in the garage until I can get a new switch and figure out the proper wiring. Thanks to all for the advice?. AND the warning!! ?

Dave

On Wed, May 24, 2023 at 8:42 PM tritriple at aol.com<mailto:tritriple at aol.com> <tritriple at aol.com<mailto:tritriple at aol.com>> wrote:
Replace the switch ...now.... before it blows out altogether.   That happened to me on my TR7.   The day after returning from Stowe, I took the TR7 to work, and when backing into my spot at the shop I noticed a very dark line of oil coming into and then following me to where I park.   I open the hood and start the engine, oil is just gushing out of the sender.....If this had happened on the ride home the day before, I am pretty sure the engine would have been toast.... Oil light never came on this day....   The reason the light never came on was the wires were in the wrong place..... Now I have an oil light and the anti-run valve works !!!!   See ya,  John B.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 07:58:34 PM EDT, Phil Brzozoski via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>> wrote:


For what it is worth - one of the three leads on that oil pressure switch provides ground for the anti-run on valve when you first turn off the engine.


-----Original Message-----
From: Robert M Lang via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>
To: New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>; TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>; David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wed, May 24, 2023 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
Those sending units can fail several ways resulting in leaks. Worst case - remove it and put a 1/8 NPT plug in there (or any sending unit with 1/8 NPT threads - just to plug the hole).

Pay attention to the wires when you take them off. Else, there are detailed schematics on which wire goes where. The Dan Maters book shows details but don't assume that the wires go back to the same location. The terminals on the switch are labelled and you have to wire to the proper terminal...

I have seen the sending unit blow the guts out. ALL the oil can evacuate the sump fairly quickly when that happens.

Good luck!

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang
                          Cell: 339-927-4489
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org>> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org<mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 2:35 PM
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Subject: [NET] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch

My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost like that? Anyone else have that problem?

Dave Friedlander
Maine
?74 Six
?59 Three A
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri May 26 07:09:09 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2023 09:09:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch
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Sure can, with catastrophic results. Driving back from TRF?s Summer Party a few years back, I was driving my TR4 and my wife was driving her TR6. Fortunately, she knew to regularly monitor those gauges and as we switched from Hwy 403 to Hwy 401 (our version of the Interstates), she saw the oil pressure drop to ?0?. She immediately signalled for me to pull over. A check revealed the source of oil loss. Topped it back up with a few litres of oil and by the time we drove to the garage (less than two miles away), the oil had completely emptied again.

 

Cheers

Keith

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2023 2:35 PM
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Subject: [TR] TR6 Oil Pressure Switch

 

My ?74 TR6 keeps ?anointing? my driveway? Sigh? I thought at first, that the oil pan gasket was leaking but that doesn?t seem to be the case. The oil pressure switch however (Moss 760-200, 3-lead switch), is pretty wet with oil, now that I?ve returned from a short, 10-mile drive. Not to sound too terribly naive but, do oil pressure switches leak/give up the ghost like that? Anyone else have that problem?

 

Dave Friedlander 

Maine

?74 Six

?59 Three A

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue May 30 10:02:35 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 16:02:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2
Message-ID: <b9c23b0cc4054f0aaa4050a91ba19e74@ranteer.com>

Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX

Yes, that's an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on it.  the engine is out, and looks like the head was rebuilt, then never really installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And the engine does turn easily.  No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was originally light blue and then was repainted gray (poorly).

Interior is also in pretty good shape and there's just a small bit of rust here and there.  steering wheel is not cracked anywhere!!
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue May 30 10:03:39 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 16:03:39 +0000
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was it an Amco part?  I've enclosed a picture.

And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll and the hand crank.

Then - the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be expected, but they've all shrunk at least an inch or two

I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will find out.  anyone done that?
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue May 30 10:18:54 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 11:18:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2
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Congrats. Looks quite respectable. Glad to see another one saved!

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX
>
>
>
> Yes, that?s an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on
> it.  the engine is out, and looks like the head was rebuilt, then never
> really installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And the engine does turn
> easily.  No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was originally light blue
> and then was repainted gray (poorly).
>
>
>
> Interior is also in pretty good shape and there?s just a small bit of rust
> here and there.  steering wheel is not cracked anywhere!!
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue May 30 10:25:18 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 12:25:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2
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Very nice indeed.  Good score. Jim Henningsen
Ocala, fl 

> On May 30, 2023, at 12:17 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX
>  
> Yes, that?s an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on it.  the engine is out, and looks like the head was rebuilt, then never really installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And the engine does turn easily.  No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was originally light blue and then was repainted gray (poorly).
>  
> Interior is also in pretty good shape and there?s just a small bit of rust here and there.  steering wheel is not cracked anywhere!!
> <212922.jpg>
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From billyb62 at gmail.com  Tue May 30 10:35:25 2023
From: billyb62 at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 12:35:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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The ashtray looks like the original I have.

Bill
TS63273L
'59 TR3A

On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 12:29?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

>
>
> It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was
> it an Amco part?  I?ve enclosed a picture.
>
>
>
> And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll
> and the hand crank.
>
>
>
> Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be
> expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
>
>
>
> I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will
> find out.  anyone done that?
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue May 30 11:06:15 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 12:06:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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The ashtray might be original Standard-Triumph if my memory isn?t wrong.
They offered several types in the mid 1950s. One of the P/Ns was 701019.

That Dzus wrench looks more like a plumbing valve seat wrench, to be
honest. BTDT.

On Tuesday, May 30, 2023, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

>
>
> It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was
> it an Amco part?  I?ve enclosed a picture.
>
>
>
> And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll
> and the hand crank.
>
>
>
> Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be
> expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
>
>
>
> I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will
> find out.  anyone done that?
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From lherault at verizon.net  Tue May 30 11:30:15 2023
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L"Herault)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 13:30:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] New 3
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2720.1685462632.2997.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.2720.1685462632.2997.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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You might enjoy what cheftush is doing with a 3 on You Tube.

https://youtu.be/023ftvjDHW8


Ron L



   1. new acquisition part 1 of 2 (dave northrup)
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Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 16:02:35 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2
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Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX

Yes, that's an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on it.
the engine is out, and looks like the head was rebuilt, then never really
installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And the engine does turn easily.
No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was originally light blue and then was
repainted gray (poorly).

Interior is also in pretty good shape and there's just a small bit of rust
here and there.  steering wheel is not cracked anywhere!!
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It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was
it an Amco part?  I've enclosed a picture.

And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll and
the hand crank.

Then - the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be expected,
but they've all shrunk at least an inch or two

I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will
find out.  anyone done that?
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Tue May 30 11:31:10 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 13:31:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 83
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2720.1685462632.2997.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 RE: Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 83

Congratulations on your new TR3A, Dave!

The ash tray looks original to me (or at least it looks like the only one
I've seen). According to Piggott (*Original Triumph TR2/3/3A*, p. 105), it
was

"part number 701019. Fitted under driver's side of dashboard and swung out
for use. This was optional on TR2s, 3s and early 3As.

At TS42400, the slide-out type of ashtray became available, and was
believed to be standard on North American cars."

If you have luck stretching the top and tonneau, please share the
magic with the
rest of us! Heat (leaving it out in the sun on a hot day) will help, but my
experience is that it'll shrink right back.

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 16:02:35 +0000

>From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>

>Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2

>

>Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX

>

>Yes, that's an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on
it.  the engine is out, and looks like the head was rebuilt, then never
really installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And the engine does turn
easily.  No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was >originally light blue
and then was repainted gray (poorly).

>

>Interior is also in pretty good shape and there's just a small bit of rust
here and there.  steering wheel is not cracked anywhere!!



and later ...

>It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was
it an Amco part?  I've enclosed a picture.

>

>And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll
and the hand crank.

>

>Then - the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be
expected, but they've all shrunk at least an inch or two

>

>I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will
find out.  anyone done that?
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Tue May 30 12:08:02 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 12:08:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2
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References: <b9c23b0cc4054f0aaa4050a91ba19e74@ranteer.com>
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Dave, 

 

Looks like the definition of a true barn find?  An original OD car to boot, how fortunate!

That body looks pretty darn good with reworked or replaced panels.  

 

Hope you and the seller are happy with the sale.

 

Progress photos please!

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 10:03 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 1 of 2

 

Picked up a TR3 last week, TS44871 LO, from outside of San Antonio, TX

 

Yes, that's an overdrive car, and pretty original, with the OD still on it.  the engine is out, and
looks like the head was rebuilt, then never really installed.  Its just sitting on the studs.  And
the engine does turn easily.  No carbs.  Body in pretty good shape; was originally light blue and
then was repainted gray (poorly).

 

Interior is also in pretty good shape and there's just a small bit of rust here and there.  steering
wheel is not cracked anywhere!!

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue May 30 12:25:12 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 14:25:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Tue May 30 13:18:32 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 15:18:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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The dzus wrench is not from Triumph. I never called it that. I have what 
I always called a T key. I believe it is original equipment.

But the 3 looks to be in good shape. Have fun restoring it.

Bob

On 5/30/23 12:03 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?? 
> Was it an Amco part?? I?ve enclosed a picture.
>
> And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!? also has a tool 
> roll and the hand crank.
>
> Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be 
> expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
>
> I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.? I guess I 
> will find out.? anyone done that?
>
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 30 14:28:13 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 13:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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The ash tray is original Standard Triumph.  I have an NOS unit in the original box.
Also, I have a few with the front plastic cover/pull broken off.  The bakelite cover has only two fragile pegs holding it in place and I guess they commonly break. 
Dave H. 
 

> On 05/30/2023 9:03 AM PDT dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> 
>  
> 
> It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was it an Amco part?  I?ve enclosed a picture.
> 
>  
> 
> And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll and the hand crank.
> 
>  
> 
> Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
> 
>  
> 
> I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will find out.  anyone done that?
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue May 30 15:39:29 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 21:39:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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 i envy you.but...im kinda happy its not me. to go through the fun of another restoration at this time would be not so fun
but it sure looks great.

Frank

    On Tuesday, May 30, 2023 at 09:38:41 AM PDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
  
 ?
 
It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?? Was it an Amco part?? I?ve enclosed a picture.
 
 ?
 
And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!? also has a tool roll and the hand crank.
 
 ?
 
Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
 
 ?
 
I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.? I guess I will find out.? anyone done that?
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue May 30 16:42:44 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 15:42:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <ad55b7c1-f70a-8b14-b3db-b6d45e12976a@roadrunner.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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On 5/30/23 12:18 PM, Bob wrote:
>
> The dzus wrench is not from Triumph. I never called it that. I have 
> what I always called a T key. I believe it is original equipment.
>
The key for the rear hatch door for VW bus engine bay works with the 
TR3. Handle is different but the tapered key part is the same.

TeriAnn


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 30 19:14:44 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 18:14:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] NOS Stanpart ash tray
Message-ID: <154AF42C-C50A-4252-865D-22B269BF19F6@comcast.net>

Here?s the ash tray.

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue May 30 22:21:17 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2023 21:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <681056576.551583.1685478493738@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <1502871894.558243.1685506877962@connect.xfinity.com>

Correction. I see that there is a threaded stud with a nut and washer connecting the cover pull to the front of the ash tray along with two alignment pegs.  So the pegs do not attached the cover as I had thought.  In any event, having the cover pull still in place after so many decades must be unusual.  I have three used trays that are missing the cover pull. 
Dave H.

> On 05/30/2023 1:28 PM PDT DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
>  
>  
> The ash tray is original Standard Triumph.  I have an NOS unit in the original box.
> Also, I have a few with the front plastic cover/pull broken off.  The bakelite cover has only two fragile pegs holding it in place and I guess they commonly break. 
> Dave H. 
>  
> 
> > On 05/30/2023 9:03 AM PDT dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >  
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > It has the optional ashtray; does anyone know if this is an original?  Was it an Amco part?  I?ve enclosed a picture.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > And check out the Dzus wrench that came with it!!!  also has a tool roll and the hand crank.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Then ? the top, hoodstick cover, and tonneau are better than to be expected, but they?ve all shrunk at least an inch or two
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I looked it up and supposedly heat and/or steam will help.  I guess I will find out.  anyone done that?
> > 
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed May 31 06:00:29 2023
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 08:00:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed May 31 07:40:14 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 13:40:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <731481972.2416038.1685482769435@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
 <731481972.2416038.1685482769435@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e9d353be402748d2aa31eca167a4c0a0@ranteer.com>

The car did not come with any carbs.

Sorry ? I don?t know much about carbs.  Should I get TR4 carbs? Or are they the same?
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Wed May 31 07:50:11 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 09:50:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <e9d353be402748d2aa31eca167a4c0a0@ranteer.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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Dave,

If you can get a pair + linkage I would recommend HS6 carbs. I put a 
pair on my 63 4 and no problems in over 20 years. Sourced them on ebay 
originally for my 72 6 but I ended up putting the Hitachi HS6 on the 6.

Would also recommend a Facet pump or similar.

Bob

On 5/31/23 9:40 AM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> The car did not come with any carbs.
>
> Sorry ? I don?t know much about carbs.? Should I get TR4 carbs? Or are 
> they the same?
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed May 31 08:41:14 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 14:41:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <a6ba9999-01e6-eb28-f96b-2cd5536fe359@roadrunner.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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 <a6ba9999-01e6-eb28-f96b-2cd5536fe359@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1099001057.4883340.1685544074630@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have a pair of HS6 carbs that I had on my TR3 until I got my H6's rebuilt.? I had to improvise some linkage and I'll include what I have.? 

As I recall the TR4's had a different length intake manifold since the carbs are different lengths but I fit the HS6's on my H6 manifold and it ran fine.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, May 31, 2023 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2

 Dave, If you can get a pair + linkage I would recommend HS6 carbs. I put a pair on my 63 4 and no problems in over 20 years. Sourced them on ebay originally for my 72 6 but I ended up putting the Hitachi HS6 on the 6. 
  Would also recommend a Facet pump or similar. Bob
  On 5/31/23 9:40 AM, dave northrup wrote:
  
 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed May 31 10:09:09 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 16:09:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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I just looked for Paltech ? www.paltech1.com<http://www.paltech1.com> if I am right.  No longer there.
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Wed May 31 10:54:15 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 12:54:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <23145b4977a443af9005e8cabeca28ce@ranteer.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <c4343e60-50a0-4b49-94bd-754c2115880b@roadrunner.com>

Dave,

Just clicked on the link you posted below and alive and well as of 12:53

Bob

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>     I just looked for Paltech ?www.paltech1.com  <http://www.paltech1.com>  if I am right.? No longer there.
>
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Wed May 31 10:56:05 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 12:56:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <23145b4977a443af9005e8cabeca28ce@ranteer.com>
References: <1a3d08eff7a441c0aee57334abc80439@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <b63346d0-0d10-5d61-f800-bf55aeccbad7@roadrunner.com>

Dave,

On further examination looks like the site is just a link to other 
providers.

Bob

On 5/31/23 12:09 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
>     I just looked for Paltech ?www.paltech1.com  <http://www.paltech1.com>  if I am right.? No longer there.
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed May 31 11:04:27 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 12:04:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <e9d353be402748d2aa31eca167a4c0a0@ranteer.com>
References: <e9d353be402748d2aa31eca167a4c0a0@ranteer.com>
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Dave,
Either will work fine.  My TR3 came with a TR4 motor and HS6 carbs & linkage.  Later I needed them elsewhere so swapped in H6(standard to TR3) carbs but kept the TR4 linkage in place.  

All was good,
Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On May 31, 2023, at 8:45 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
The car did not come with any carbs. 
 
Sorry ? I don?t know much about carbs.  Should I get TR4 carbs? Or are they the same?
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From tochilds at bellsouth.net  Wed May 31 13:27:39 2023
From: tochilds at bellsouth.net (tochilds)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 15:27:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
In-Reply-To: <b63346d0-0d10-5d61-f800-bf55aeccbad7@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <2041846253.2423788.1685561387655@bellsouth.net>

Google? paltech micropolishing .? Says they are temporarily closed.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com> Date: 5/31/23  1:50 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2 
    Dave,
    On further examination looks like the site is just a link to
      other providers.
    Bob
    
    On 5/31/23 12:09 PM, dave northrup
      wrote:
    
    
      
      
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed May 31 14:55:57 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 21:55:57 +0100
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85
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The ?T? handle as found on Daves newly acquired car. For the purists and those for whom nomenclature is vital, the common name for said item was a ?Dibbins? in which the word dibbins is broad Coventry slang (of the repeatable type) and relates to any object that doesn?t have a specific name. As for the ashtray, ?fag bin? will do nicely, recognising that the word Fag has a different meaning in US English. Sorry gents, I?m too old to change and can?t be bothered to anyway.

Jonmac

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed May 31 15:29:19 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 17:29:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed May 31 15:30:20 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 21:30:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85
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OK:  we'll not take offense to "fag" if you do likewise for "fanny"...................

Andrew Uprichard
Grew up there, came here

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 4:56 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85

The ?T? handle as found on Daves newly acquired car. For the purists and those for whom nomenclature is vital, the common name for said item was a ?Dibbins? in which the word dibbins is broad Coventry slang (of the repeatable type) and relates to any object that doesn?t have a specific name. As for the ashtray, ?fag bin? will do nicely, recognising that the word Fag has a different meaning in US English. Sorry gents, I?m too old to change and can?t be bothered to anyway.

Jonmac

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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Wed May 31 17:30:09 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 17:30:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
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For one EFI option,

Contact Ramin Mirshab at RamtechEFI  ramtechefi at gmail.com <mailto:ramtechefi at gmail.com> 

 

He has been making EFI plug-n-play setups for various TR?s, Spitfires, TR4;?s; Tr5/250/6, including electronic spark setups for several years.

 

He does stock 6 cylinder setup kits, makes the 4 cylinder setups to order.

 

He also has manifold only options, or any combination you feel comfortable with.  

 

His work is very high quality, professional and the cleanest installation I have seen, even made with ?TRIUMPH? lettering to make it look OEM designed and built.  I have not seen a bad review. 

 

Website www.ramtechefi.com 

 

Various feedback on the Triumph Experience here https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/vendor-market.21/ramtechefi-plug-and-play-fuel-injection.1937939.1937939/#msg-1937939

 

I am keeping an eye on him to possibly do an EFI setup for the Stag OHC 2998 motor.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 12:49 PM
To: Glenn A. Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2

 

Link?

 

From: Glenn A. Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net <mailto:controls at freelanceconsulting.net> > 
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To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; 'Frank Fisher' <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com <mailto:yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> >; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2

 

Take the opportunity to install EFI/ESC to bring engine operations up to the 21st Century.  

 

There is a setup being made in the central USA that is very nice.  You will be more than satisfied in both performance and mileage.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave northrup
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Subject: Re: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2

 

The car did not come with any carbs.  

 

Sorry ? I don?t know much about carbs.  Should I get TR4 carbs? Or are they the same?

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed May 31 18:05:46 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 00:05:46 +0000 (UTC)
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 are we talking about Rick Patton?
please say no
Frank





    On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 03:10:51 PM PDT, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 He passed away unfortunately. Jim Henningsen


On May 31, 2023, at 5:00 PM, tochilds <tochilds at bellsouth.net> wrote:



?
Google? paltech micropolishing .? Says they are temporarily closed.


Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

-------- Original message --------From: Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com> Date: 5/31/23 1:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2 
 
Dave,
 
On further examination looks like the site is just a link to other providers.
 
Bob
 
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 I just looked for Paltech ? www.paltech1.com if I am right.? No longer there. 
  
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed May 31 19:10:03 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 01:10:03 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85
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Yes, you stick the dibbins in the gubbins and twist until it pops out of the whatsit. 

Mike

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> On May 31, 2023, at 16:23, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The ?T? handle as found on Daves newly acquired car. For the purists and those for whom nomenclature is vital, the common name for said item was a ?Dibbins? in which the word dibbins is broad Coventry slang (of the repeatable type) and relates to any object that doesn?t have a specific name. As for the ashtray, ?fag bin? will do nicely, recognising that the word Fag has a different meaning in US English. Sorry gents, I?m too old to change and can?t be bothered to anyway.
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed May 31 19:11:39 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Wed May 31 19:45:52 2023
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 20:45:52 -0500
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totally non triumph

Names of things and SLANG

 ??? I found this interesting.? Why do we say OK?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/ok-enters-national-vernacular

Patrick

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On 5/31/2023 8:10 PM, Michael Marr wrote:
> Yes, you stick the dibbins in the gubbins and twist until it pops out of the whatsit.
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On May 31, 2023, at 16:23, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?The ?T? handle as found on Daves newly acquired car. For the purists and those for whom nomenclature is vital, the common name for said item was a ?Dibbins? in which the word dibbins is broad Coventry slang (of the repeatable type) and relates to any object that doesn?t have a specific name. As for the ashtray, ?fag bin? will do nicely, recognising that the word Fag has a different meaning in US English. Sorry gents, I?m too old to change and can?t be bothered to anyway.
>>
>> Jonmac
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed May 31 21:24:30 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2023 20:24:30 -0700 (PDT)
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That's sad news, I hadn't heard of this.  I had communicated with him around 10 years ago with consideration as an alternative to Curto.  It seemed he was trying to do excellent work for his customers.  Anyone trying to make a successful business rebuilding and refinishing carburetors certainly isn't trying to change the world or get rich, just doing something a little better than usual.  I had a sense that he was doing just that.  
Dave H.
 

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>  
>  
> He passed away unfortunately. Jim Henningsen
>  
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> > On May 31, 2023, at 5:00 PM, tochilds <tochilds at bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > 
> 
> > Google  paltech micropolishing .  Says they are temporarily closed.
> >  
> >  
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> > -------- Original message --------
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> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] new acquisition part 2 of 2
> >  
> > 
> > Dave,
> > 
> > On further examination looks like the site is just a link to other providers.
> > 
> > Bob
> > 
> > On 5/31/23 12:09 PM, dave northrup wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I just looked for Paltech ? http://www.paltech1.com if I am right.  No longer there.
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