From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jun  1 05:58:09 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:58:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85
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 I believe that Charles Dickens once used the term "faggots" when referring to burning embers in a fire.? So I believe the use of the term in the English sense predates the US connotation.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, May 31, 2023 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 85

The ?T? handle as found on Daves newly acquired car. For the purists and those for whom nomenclature is vital, the common name for said item was a ?Dibbins? in which the word dibbins is broad Coventry slang (of the repeatable type) and relates to any object that doesn?t have a specific name. As for the ashtray, ?fag bin? will do nicely, recognising that the word Fag has a different meaning in US English. Sorry gents, I?m too old to change and can?t be bothered to anyway.

Jonmac

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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jun  1 10:13:12 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 16:13:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] completely off topic
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I need to ship some furniture from South Carolina to Nevada.

Anyone done this?  have recommendations?
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Thu Jun  1 11:42:14 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 17:42:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] completely off topic
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When my daughter moved from Illinois to Wisconsin, she used PODS.  They drop one of their containers in your driveway, you pack it, then they ship it to wherever you need it, whereupon the process is reversed.

If you don?t want to do the packing/unpacking yourself, hire a long distance mover. They pack multiple households into semi trailers, so your furniture would probably piggy back on another household.

PODS is the least expensive, I think.

Mike, amateur mover extraordinaire.

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I need to ship some furniture from South Carolina to Nevada.

Anyone done this?  have recommendations?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jun  1 14:29:00 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 20:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] completely off topic
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 And you might also check into Pack Rat (1 800 Packrat) as a cheaper alternative to PODS.
 
Dave 


 
 
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Subject: Re: [TR] completely off topic

When my daughter moved from Illinois to Wisconsin, she used PODS. ?They drop one of their containers in your driveway, you pack it, then they ship it to wherever you need it, whereupon the process is reversed.?
If you don?t want to do the packing/unpacking yourself, hire a long distance mover. They pack multiple households into semi trailers, so your furniture would probably piggy back on another household.?
PODS is the least expensive, I think.?
Mike, amateur mover extraordinaire.?

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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Fri Jun  2 06:01:01 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 08:01:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Dot 5
Message-ID: <deee9a99-13db-11fa-f1b9-aa546a3dd0d9@roadrunner.com>

Hello,

Well I finally received my bottle of Dot 5 fluif yesterday via UPS.

There was ZERO DOT 5 in the FLAPS, zero!

Anyway I would like to thank all responses for the guidance. I would 
most likely have picked up a bottle of 5.1 thinking it was the same but 
better!

Again the list comes through with the knowledge of a lifetime of one of 
my favorite hobbies.

On another note, I helped a good friend install a new fuel pump on his 
65 Falcon station wagon yesterday. Pretty straight forward with the 
exception of one bold needing an impact wrench. After the engine started 
right up and purred! Now this wagon is original as can be. Engine is? 
the 289 with a 2 barrel.

Bob


From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Fri Jun  2 09:26:07 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2023 09:26:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Dot 5
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Bob,
I use NAPA "Mac's" purple Dot 5.0 Fluif for many years now with no issues.  It is readily available OTS without special order, but I order it online for a 5% discount and go pick it up locally.

One note is that I do disassemble my individual system components out-of-the-box, clean and lube all the seals with Dow high vacuum silicone grease. 

There are sections in the older manuals and instruction sheets that recommend greasing the seals with the appropriate grease compatible with the fluifs prior to installation, Girling at one time had a matching red grease packet for its seals to be used upon assembly using Castrol Crimson.  That practice changed to simply using fluif upon assembly which for other DOT fluids is a good test to see if the rubber immediately reacts as your fingers turn black with the fluif.

That was my turning point to go to  DOT 5.0 Purple and a compatible silicone grease for the seals.  My first mail order was a bit pricy until I discovered Mac's at NAPA was the same stuff.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

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Sent: Friday, June 2, 2023 6:01 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Dot 5

Hello,

Well I finally received my bottle of Dot 5 fluif yesterday via UPS.

There was ZERO DOT 5 in the FLAPS, zero!

Anyway I would like to thank all responses for the guidance. I would most likely have picked up a bottle of 5.1 thinking it was the same but better!

Again the list comes through with the knowledge of a lifetime of one of my favorite hobbies.

On another note, I helped a good friend install a new fuel pump on his
65 Falcon station wagon yesterday. Pretty straight forward with the exception of one bold needing an impact wrench. After the engine started right up and purred! Now this wagon is original as can be. Engine is the 289 with a 2 barrel.

Bob

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jun  3 16:18:08 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 22:18:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] shrunk vinyl
Message-ID: <1f24ae8078524a48a8a7a86c657add3b@ranteer.com>

Barn find tr3 included a hood stick cover, tonneau, and a top.   They all are beyond tight.  They were too small to get more than one or two snaps on.

As an experiment, I put the hoodstick cover in the pool, which is currently running about 88 degrees (it sits in the sun in Dallas!)  Left it in there for an hour or two.  Took a cheap thin plastic tarp (like for painting) and put it over the cockpit (don't want to encourage rust!) and tried it on.  had to use a little heat on the edges and a little more force here and there but it pretty much fit.  Hit it with the heat gun a bit just for good measure.  Going to leave it there for a few days.  I'm going to try this same thing with the tonneau, and plan to leave it out in the Texas sun all day once I get it on (if I get it on???)
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 22:12:29 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 21:12:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] shrunk vinyl
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On 6/3/23 3:18 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> Barn find tr3 included a hood stick cover, tonneau, and a top. ??They 
> all are beyond tight.? They were too small to get more than one or two 
> snaps on.
>
Sounds like the tops may have originally come from another car.

TeriAnn
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From perryfly at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 08:16:31 2023
From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 10:16:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Weird Spark plug issue
Message-ID: <A9F786D5-BDD9-4B37-99C8-CD81B1A2CFB1@gmail.com>

TR3 1960. 
Last summer it started running oddly - idled great, all the normal things checked out fine, but hard to accelerate - seemed to have a cylinder firing some of the time, 
So I, of course, played with the carbs - I had recently rebuilt them and went to the silicone rings, so figured I messed something up
Never got it running right till it went to sleep for the winter

Fast forward to this year
Took me a while to get it out of storage, and the same symptoms, only worse.  Couldn?t clear the throat as it were.  Yesterday I tackled the problem in earnest - found one NGK plug looked brand new - while the others were the usual fuel fowl of first startup and bad gas.  Now, this plug wasn?t fouled, or fuel soaked, it looked new.  Had good spark at the cap.  Couldn?t be the carb,  so I suspected maybe that cylinder wants getting fuel at all - so checked all the valves, fine tuned the lash, all was pretty spot on - compression 135 across the board.
Retimed the car while I was at it.  

Swapped in a new set of Champion plugs and all was well - wonderful in fact. Went for a long ride with the wife, and it couldn?t have run better (well maybe a bit rich - but will fine tune today)

I share this only as follow up to the thread on sparking plugs - I dont know how this plug could have looked as it did in a running engine.  Threw them in the trash.  Have another set on the shelf if anyone wants them.

Is so grand to have her back on the road!

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  5 20:24:21 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 21:24:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Weird Spark plug issue
In-Reply-To: <A9F786D5-BDD9-4B37-99C8-CD81B1A2CFB1@gmail.com>
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Alway have run NGK, no problems.  I?ll take them!


?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jun 5, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Perry Hammock <perryfly at gmail.com> wrote:

?TR3 1960. 
Last summer it started running oddly - idled great, all the normal things checked out fine, but hard to accelerate - seemed to have a cylinder firing some of the time, 
So I, of course, played with the carbs - I had recently rebuilt them and went to the silicone rings, so figured I messed something up
Never got it running right till it went to sleep for the winter

Fast forward to this year
Took me a while to get it out of storage, and the same symptoms, only worse.  Couldn?t clear the throat as it were.  Yesterday I tackled the problem in earnest - found one NGK plug looked brand new - while the others were the usual fuel fowl of first startup and bad gas.  Now, this plug wasn?t fouled, or fuel soaked, it looked new.  Had good spark at the cap.  Couldn?t be the carb,  so I suspected maybe that cylinder wants getting fuel at all - so checked all the valves, fine tuned the lash, all was pretty spot on - compression 135 across the board.
Retimed the car while I was at it.  

Swapped in a new set of Champion plugs and all was well - wonderful in fact. Went for a long ride with the wife, and it couldn?t have run better (well maybe a bit rich - but will fine tune today)

I share this only as follow up to the thread on sparking plugs - I dont know how this plug could have looked as it did in a running engine.  Threw them in the trash.  Have another set on the shelf if anyone wants them.

Is so grand to have her back on the road!
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Tue Jun  6 12:38:38 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 14:38:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spark Plug Heat Range
Message-ID: <0B7F3980-0B41-4375-B892-8B1FCEABF2BB@comcast.net>

	I?m looking for a spark plug that is just a little cooler than the stock Champion N9YC plugs that I?m running. I?ve had no luck finding Champion N8YC plugs and each manufacturer has a different designation for the heat range for their plugs so it?s hard to do a direct comparison .  Does anyone have a source for cooler plugs? I?m not concerned if they are not Champions.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 18:23:42 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 19:23:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <0B7F3980-0B41-4375-B892-8B1FCEABF2BB@comcast.net>
References: <0B7F3980-0B41-4375-B892-8B1FCEABF2BB@comcast.net>
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I run NGK "6" range in my TR3, NGK plugs get colder as the numbers go up.
Bill

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Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 1:39 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Spark Plug Heat Range

	I?m looking for a spark plug that is just a little cooler than the stock Champion N9YC plugs that I?m running. I?ve had no luck finding Champion N8YC plugs and each manufacturer has a different designation for the heat range for their plugs so it?s hard to do a direct comparison .  Does anyone have a source for cooler plugs? I?m not concerned if they are not Champions.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Jun  6 19:08:35 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2023 21:08:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <0B7F3980-0B41-4375-B892-8B1FCEABF2BB@comcast.net>
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Looking at a May 1997 Champion catalog, I see the following plugs that were available:

RN4YC - Stock # 904  (Autolite #51) 
RN6YC - Stock # 339 (Autolite #51) (AC - R41XLS)
RN7YC - Stock # 332 (Autolite # 52 or #62) (AC - R42XLS)

I didn't see any reference to an (R)8YC

Looking at a 1991 Autolite Catalog,  6 cylinder Triumphs were recommended to use an AP63  or AP64 Plug - the "AN" designation was an up market prefix, I believe (like platinum). A 63 or 64 would have been the regular market plug. There were also #51 or #52 plugs recommended

Looking at the 1991 AC catalog, there was the 42XLS or the R42XLS plug.

Also, from the 1991 AC catalog, '68 - '73 6 cyl. Triumphs used R42XLS plugs and '74 - '76 6 cyl. Triumphs used R44XLS plugs.

Did I confuse everybody?

Gosh - I just love the old printed catalogs! They have so much information that is easy to obtain and digest.

What is the symptom that you have noticed?

Here's an interesting site - 
https://www.sparkplug-crossreference.com/ 
 
Alex Thomson
'73 TR6 and 3,  2 cylinder John Deeres plus a Case VAC and a Farmall H.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 2:39 PM
To: Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Spark Plug Heat Range

	I?m looking for a spark plug that is just a little cooler than the stock Champion N9YC plugs that I?m running. I?ve had no luck finding Champion N8YC plugs and each manufacturer has a different designation for the heat range for their plugs so it?s hard to do a direct comparison .  Does anyone have a source for cooler plugs? I?m not concerned if they are not Champions.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jun  7 06:55:44 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2023 12:55:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
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Why do you want cooler plugs?  What problem are you trying to solve?


From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jun  8 07:49:12 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:49:12 +0100
Subject: [TR] Spark plug heat range
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I've never noticed sparking plugs with variable heat ranges causing problems
on Standard Triumph engines in a normal or modified state of tune, providing
the engines were fitted with SU, Stromberg, Solex or Zenith carbs. Provided
the threaded part of the plug met specification in terms of length, the
engines ran happily on almost any type of Champion plug.

That said, as far as fuel injection was concerned, any Champion plug was
best consigned to the rubbish bin because they oiled up very quickly and
took an eternity to clear. That's why on my 2.5PI saloon and its smaller
2000 saloon sister, I always ran NGK BP6ES plugs which hardly ever fouled
and if they did, they cleared almost instantly. The NGK plug is used by
virtually everyone in the UK and Europe with an injected Triumph and the
equivalent Nippon Denso plug was also as good, though a bit more pricey.
Just sayin'

Jonmac


From rrochlin at comcast.net  Thu Jun  8 07:54:23 2023
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 09:54:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
References: <6ebe321b72794ff2a1db197a73063e1b@ranteer.com>
 <9EF6392C-B18D-4788-AC2D-B9278F0ED1A8@comcast.net>
 <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <9D5633FC-FE57-4631-A44B-4A810FCA1A2C@comcast.net>

	I appreciate all the great feedback on my question about spark plug heat range options.  It seems that if I want to incrementally go to a cooler (or hotter) plug then NGK seems be the way to go.  Champions  are unavailable in a number of heat ranges and the information on their web site is confusing.
	I?ve spent a lot of time this Spring doing unexpected work on the 6 including suspension work and fuel delivery issues.  All that is now sorted and my plan is to spend some quality cruising time this afternoon. 
	Happy Motoring.
	Bob

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:18 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest that first you advance the timing.  You no longer have a stock engine and therefore should not rely on the stock timing.  
> 
> Some of my old time mechanic friends have suggested that with these cars you should advance the timing until it pings, then back it off a bit.  Just a suggestion.
> 
> Also - do you still have the carbon cannister?  That's actually a source of air when you turn the engine off and could be part of the problem.  our car runs better without it.  just eliminate the branch that goes to it.  but be careful about the pipe that goes back to the gas tank.  That has to be free and clear or your engine will quit running due to fuel starvation because air is not coming in to replace the gasoline that is going out.  you can just leave the pipe that comes from the back; tie it down and leave it open.  And you won't get a gas smell in the garage.
> 
> Failing that, I would recommend talking to Richard Good.  He is very knowledgeable and happy to talk to a customer.
> 
> We did what you did, with the GP mild cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, polished, ported, and shaved head, decked block, etc., etc.  we are running about 11 to 1 compression.  Our timing is pretty advanced; never use a timing light.  We don't have a problem with dieseling.  I'm not sure I'm the one to solve the problem for you  but it just seems wrong to me that you are having this problem; I don't think it's the plugs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:35 AM
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
> 
> Hi Dave
>  Very occasionally my car diesels when I shut down.  I rebuilt the engine a few years ago increasing the compression and putting in a Goodparts cam.  The timing is spot on and the car runs great. My reasoning is that a bit colder plug may eliminate the hot spot source of the occasional dieseling.   
> Best,
> Bob
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:24 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> are
> 


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 09:12:14 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (trguy75 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 11:12:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <9D5633FC-FE57-4631-A44B-4A810FCA1A2C@comcast.net>
References: <6ebe321b72794ff2a1db197a73063e1b@ranteer.com>
 <9EF6392C-B18D-4788-AC2D-B9278F0ED1A8@comcast.net>
 <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
 <9D5633FC-FE57-4631-A44B-4A810FCA1A2C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <052a01d99a1b$9bce66d0$d36b3470$@gmail.com>

Hard to find NGK BP6ES now.  BP6RES is available, but I heard the resistor plugs not good with pertronix ignition systems.  I went back to champion.
Jim Henningsen

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:54 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range

	I appreciate all the great feedback on my question about spark plug heat range options.  It seems that if I want to incrementally go to a cooler (or hotter) plug then NGK seems be the way to go.  Champions  are unavailable in a number of heat ranges and the information on their web site is confusing.
	I?ve spent a lot of time this Spring doing unexpected work on the 6 including suspension work and fuel delivery issues.  All that is now sorted and my plan is to spend some quality cruising time this afternoon. 
	Happy Motoring.
	Bob

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:18 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest that first you advance the timing.  You no longer have a stock engine and therefore should not rely on the stock timing.  
> 
> Some of my old time mechanic friends have suggested that with these cars you should advance the timing until it pings, then back it off a bit.  Just a suggestion.
> 
> Also - do you still have the carbon cannister?  That's actually a source of air when you turn the engine off and could be part of the problem.  our car runs better without it.  just eliminate the branch that goes to it.  but be careful about the pipe that goes back to the gas tank.  That has to be free and clear or your engine will quit running due to fuel starvation because air is not coming in to replace the gasoline that is going out.  you can just leave the pipe that comes from the back; tie it down and leave it open.  And you won't get a gas smell in the garage.
> 
> Failing that, I would recommend talking to Richard Good.  He is very knowledgeable and happy to talk to a customer.
> 
> We did what you did, with the GP mild cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, polished, ported, and shaved head, decked block, etc., etc.  we are running about 11 to 1 compression.  Our timing is pretty advanced; never use a timing light.  We don't have a problem with dieseling.  I'm not sure I'm the one to solve the problem for you  but it just seems wrong to me that you are having this problem; I don't think it's the plugs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:35 AM
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
> 
> Hi Dave
>  Very occasionally my car diesels when I shut down.  I rebuilt the engine a few years ago increasing the compression and putting in a Goodparts cam.  The timing is spot on and the car runs great. My reasoning is that a bit colder plug may eliminate the hot spot source of the occasional dieseling.   
> Best,
> Bob
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:24 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> are
> 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 09:12:14 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (trguy75 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 11:12:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <9D5633FC-FE57-4631-A44B-4A810FCA1A2C@comcast.net>
References: <6ebe321b72794ff2a1db197a73063e1b@ranteer.com>
 <9EF6392C-B18D-4788-AC2D-B9278F0ED1A8@comcast.net>
 <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
 <9D5633FC-FE57-4631-A44B-4A810FCA1A2C@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <052a01d99a1b$9bce66d0$d36b3470$@gmail.com>

Hard to find NGK BP6ES now.  BP6RES is available, but I heard the resistor plugs not good with pertronix ignition systems.  I went back to champion.
Jim Henningsen

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:54 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range

	I appreciate all the great feedback on my question about spark plug heat range options.  It seems that if I want to incrementally go to a cooler (or hotter) plug then NGK seems be the way to go.  Champions  are unavailable in a number of heat ranges and the information on their web site is confusing.
	I?ve spent a lot of time this Spring doing unexpected work on the 6 including suspension work and fuel delivery issues.  All that is now sorted and my plan is to spend some quality cruising time this afternoon. 
	Happy Motoring.
	Bob

> On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:18 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I would suggest that first you advance the timing.  You no longer have a stock engine and therefore should not rely on the stock timing.  
> 
> Some of my old time mechanic friends have suggested that with these cars you should advance the timing until it pings, then back it off a bit.  Just a suggestion.
> 
> Also - do you still have the carbon cannister?  That's actually a source of air when you turn the engine off and could be part of the problem.  our car runs better without it.  just eliminate the branch that goes to it.  but be careful about the pipe that goes back to the gas tank.  That has to be free and clear or your engine will quit running due to fuel starvation because air is not coming in to replace the gasoline that is going out.  you can just leave the pipe that comes from the back; tie it down and leave it open.  And you won't get a gas smell in the garage.
> 
> Failing that, I would recommend talking to Richard Good.  He is very knowledgeable and happy to talk to a customer.
> 
> We did what you did, with the GP mild cam, triple carbs, lightened flywheel, polished, ported, and shaved head, decked block, etc., etc.  we are running about 11 to 1 compression.  Our timing is pretty advanced; never use a timing light.  We don't have a problem with dieseling.  I'm not sure I'm the one to solve the problem for you  but it just seems wrong to me that you are having this problem; I don't think it's the plugs.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:35 AM
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
> 
> Hi Dave
>  Very occasionally my car diesels when I shut down.  I rebuilt the engine a few years ago increasing the compression and putting in a Goodparts cam.  The timing is spot on and the car runs great. My reasoning is that a bit colder plug may eliminate the hot spot source of the occasional dieseling.   
> Best,
> Bob
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:24 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> are
> 

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 12:14:42 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 14:14:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <052a01d99a1b$9bce66d0$d36b3470$@gmail.com>
References: <6ebe321b72794ff2a1db197a73063e1b@ranteer.com>
 <9EF6392C-B18D-4788-AC2D-B9278F0ED1A8@comcast.net>
 <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgqzzZkmaF1WUnv9wnQ29KY03FDsGiP6Ut64g7ES4ZAVQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PGPVVRL?th=1&psc=1&language=en_US

Dave

On Thu, Jun 8, 2023 at 11:50?AM <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hard to find NGK BP6ES now.  BP6RES is available, but I heard the resistor
> plugs not good with pertronix ignition systems.  I went back to champion.
> Jim Henningsen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin
> Robert
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2023 9:54 AM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
>
>         I appreciate all the great feedback on my question about spark
> plug heat range options.  It seems that if I want to incrementally go to a
> cooler (or hotter) plug then NGK seems be the way to go.  Champions  are
> unavailable in a number of heat ranges and the information on their web
> site is confusing.
>         I?ve spent a lot of time this Spring doing unexpected work on the
> 6 including suspension work and fuel delivery issues.  All that is now
> sorted and my plan is to spend some quality cruising time this afternoon.
>         Happy Motoring.
>         Bob
>
> > On Jun 7, 2023, at 10:18 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> > I would suggest that first you advance the timing.  You no longer have a
> stock engine and therefore should not rely on the stock timing.
> >
> > Some of my old time mechanic friends have suggested that with these cars
> you should advance the timing until it pings, then back it off a bit.  Just
> a suggestion.
> >
> > Also - do you still have the carbon cannister?  That's actually a source
> of air when you turn the engine off and could be part of the problem.  our
> car runs better without it.  just eliminate the branch that goes to it.
> but be careful about the pipe that goes back to the gas tank.  That has to
> be free and clear or your engine will quit running due to fuel starvation
> because air is not coming in to replace the gasoline that is going out.
> you can just leave the pipe that comes from the back; tie it down and leave
> it open.  And you won't get a gas smell in the garage.
> >
> > Failing that, I would recommend talking to Richard Good.  He is very
> knowledgeable and happy to talk to a customer.
> >
> > We did what you did, with the GP mild cam, triple carbs, lightened
> flywheel, polished, ported, and shaved head, decked block, etc., etc.  we
> are running about 11 to 1 compression.  Our timing is pretty advanced;
> never use a timing light.  We don't have a problem with dieseling.  I'm not
> sure I'm the one to solve the problem for you  but it just seems wrong to
> me that you are having this problem; I don't think it's the plugs.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 7, 2023 8:35 AM
> > To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
> >
> > Hi Dave
> >  Very occasionally my car diesels when I shut down.  I rebuilt the
> engine a few years ago increasing the compression and putting in a
> Goodparts cam.  The timing is spot on and the car runs great. My reasoning
> is that a bit colder plug may eliminate the hot spot source of the
> occasional dieseling.
> > Best,
> > Bob
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 7, 2023, at 9:24 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> are
> >
>
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Thu Jun  8 18:03:42 2023
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2023 00:03:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spark plug heat range
Message-ID: <SA1P223MB060639689FF8F670AEE3D707C151A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

> Hard to find NGK BP6ES now.  BP6RES is available, but I heard the resistor plugs not good with pertronix ignition systems

NGK no longer supplies BP6ES, they superseded to the resistor, BPR6ES.  Other plug mfg's are slowly doing the same.
I have run both Pertronix and BPR6ES for a good 15-20 years.  No problems.  Pertronix factory rep also told me no problem.

Peter Arakelian 1971 TR6
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 19:18:26 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2023 21:18:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spark plug heat range
In-Reply-To: <SA1P223MB060639689FF8F670AEE3D707C151A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SA1P223MB060639689FF8F670AEE3D707C151A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <DF453BA2-9012-441F-BBC1-47A0BB222CD6@gmail.com>

Good to hear. Thank you. Jim henningsen

> On Jun 8, 2023, at 8:50 PM, Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> > Hard to find NGK BP6ES now.  BP6RES is available, but I heard the resistor plugs not good with pertronix ignition systems
>  
> NGK no longer supplies BP6ES, they superseded to the resistor, BPR6ES.  Other plug mfg?s are slowly doing the same.
> I have run both Pertronix and BPR6ES for a good 15-20 years.  No problems.  Pertronix factory rep also told me no problem.
>  
> Peter Arakelian 1971 TR6
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From harrymague at aol.com  Wed Jun 14 13:13:57 2023
From: harrymague at aol.com (Harry)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 19:13:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 Front Alignment
References: <233830282.32374.1686770037283.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Does anybody know of shop that can do a front end alignment in the Dayton, Ohio area?
Thanks Harry M
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From lee at automate-it.com  Wed Jun 14 16:41:57 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2023 17:41:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Spark Plug Heat Range
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgqzzZkmaF1WUnv9wnQ29KY03FDsGiP6Ut64g7ES4ZAVQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ebe321b72794ff2a1db197a73063e1b@ranteer.com>
 <9EF6392C-B18D-4788-AC2D-B9278F0ED1A8@comcast.net>
 <f3d8d0796f7e4438a55bf5ec77df7d28@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <406e370f3b21922bff079a613f436b29@automate-it.com>

Ha - I hope you don't want a whole set - they claim to have only one 
left in stock!!!

On 2023-06-08 13:14, David Friedlander wrote:

> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07PGPVVRL?th=1&psc=1&language=en_US
> 
> Dave
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jun 14 21:04:56 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 03:04:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] tr3a engine color
Message-ID: <585f9586d2554fc9b37181170603d70c@ranteer.com>

I'm assuming this red was done by the dpo.  As far as I can tell, the factory never painted engines this color

And, probably the best thing is to use brake fluif to strip this off?
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From hdrider570 at att.net  Wed Jun 14 22:11:17 2023
From: hdrider570 at att.net (Edward Hamer)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 04:11:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jun 15 04:31:24 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:31:24 +0100
Subject: [TR] Tr3a engine colour.
Message-ID: <D034EB66-E358-42AF-9BAB-CED1DF56F07D@gmx.com>

Never saw red.

If repainting and striving to meet factory appearance, you want a gloss black that somehow loses 50% of the gloss after an hour of first run under load. That?s what happened in Coventry when Engines went on the driven and then drive dynos. They went in all black and shining, to later emerge looking very faded. I managed to replicate this appearance on my last two Triumphs by using the cheapest non heat resistant gloss black paint I could find.

Jonmac

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 06:40:08 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:40:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFC_GZFSLhr0A27_HmZwgYQAFtUwqB6cwagCATef2FJP0g@mail.gmail.com>

That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in
the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special
FRE plate covering the original engine number.


Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote
reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas
parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the
standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor
factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the
manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned
parts...

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net> wrote:

> I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
>
> Edward Hamer
> Petaluma CA
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 06:45:31 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:45:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFC_GZFSLhr0A27_HmZwgYQAFtUwqB6cwagCATef2FJP0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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The image as a link for email clients that don't like inserting from URLs:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/i-XvTTKzN-X5.jpg

And BTW -- red-orange paint was used on some four-cylinder TR engines in
the form of marshaling marks to organize production.  My TSF-series TR3B,
produced like all of 'em during the early simultaneous production of the
TR4, had hand-painted orange-red marks on the black block that appear to
have been TR4 first, then overpainted (correctly) as TR3.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-8JLFjcP/0/053a1b23/X5/i-8JLFjcP-X5.jpg

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 7:40?AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in
> the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special
> FRE plate covering the original engine number.
>
>
> Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote
> reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas
> parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the
> standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor
> factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the
> manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned
> parts...
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net> wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
>>
>> Edward Hamer
>> Petaluma CA
>>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 09:12:19 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:12:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFC_GZFSLhr0A27_HmZwgYQAFtUwqB6cwagCATef2FJP0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <2113864084.1095396.1686841939784@connect.xfinity.com>

This Vanguard engine is from a Renown Razor Edge.  Painted a metallic blue.
Dave H.

> On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special FRE plate covering the original engine number.
>  
> Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net mailto:hdrider570 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> > I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
> >  
> > Edward Hamer
> > Petaluma CA
> >  
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jun 15 09:14:28 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 08:14:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFC_GZFSLhr0A27_HmZwgYQAFtUwqB6cwagCATef2FJP0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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My TR2 engine painted red/orange and other spares.
Dave H.

> On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special FRE plate covering the original engine number.
>  
> Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...
> 
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net mailto:hdrider570 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> > I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
> >  
> > Edward Hamer
> > Petaluma CA
> >  
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 09:15:43 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 10:15:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <2113864084.1095396.1686841939784@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCRmjjkVMnrieqm+9nzjCoh4Asa6DbZOJ8qnGpe1UutfQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have to double check with the owner of the TR3 with that FRE posted
earlier... Perhaps his IS blue-gray-green, too and it was just black with
fifty years of grime when I visited him.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:12?AM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

> This Vanguard engine is from a Renown Razor Edge.  Painted a metallic blue.
> Dave H.
>
> On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in
> the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special
> FRE plate covering the original engine number.
>
> Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote
> reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas
> parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the
> standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor
> factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the
> manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned
> parts...
>
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net> wrote:
>
> I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
>
> Edward Hamer
> Petaluma CA
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 10:14:13 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 11:14:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCRmjjkVMnrieqm+9nzjCoh4Asa6DbZOJ8qnGpe1UutfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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My friend Bob had the FRE engine out of his car in 2013, a couple of years
before I snapped that photo of his rebuild tag, and while he didn't open up
the engine he did paint the block black.  And he has no recollection of
what it was prior to that.  Coulda been rebuild-blue/green, but no info.

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:15?AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have to double check with the owner of the TR3 with that FRE posted
> earlier... Perhaps his IS blue-gray-green, too and it was just black with
> fifty years of grime when I visited him.
>
> On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 10:12?AM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> This Vanguard engine is from a Renown Razor Edge.  Painted a metallic
>> blue.
>> Dave H.
>>
>> On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in
>> the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special
>> FRE plate covering the original engine number.
>>
>> Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote
>> reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas
>> parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the
>> standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor
>> factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the
>> manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned
>> parts...
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.
>>
>> Edward Hamer
>> Petaluma CA
>>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jun 15 12:05:49 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 18:05:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
In-Reply-To: <259241198.1095593.1686842068530@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <MN2PR14MB40617AD6B7D06BD4943D24F4AC5BA.ref@MN2PR14MB4061.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <e9d577935db64d8da0894e3c2d5699b0@ranteer.com>

So how did they get that red color?  Clearly looks like the one I shared.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:14 AM
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour

My TR2 engine painted red/orange and other spares.
Dave H.
On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:


That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special FRE plate covering the original engine number.
[https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/i-XvTTKzN-X5.jpg]

Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net<mailto:hdrider570 at att.net>> wrote:
I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jun 15 16:46:05 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2023 23:46:05 +0100
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
Message-ID: <33868D80-24E9-46E9-A133-3DE5A43D279C@gmx.com>

It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
George Durand who was the company?s Parts Director was very proud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ together with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can?t be ruled out that some blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have been used is anyone?s guess.
It?s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a locally supplied unit fitted before delivery.
Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.

Jonmac

From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Jun 16 19:13:35 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 01:13:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
In-Reply-To: <33868D80-24E9-46E9-A133-3DE5A43D279C@gmx.com>
References: <33868D80-24E9-46E9-A133-3DE5A43D279C@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <3695f290f7794ba5a1fea4f897c4e97d@ranteer.com>

Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the engine "part number."  These both must be reconditioned/warranty?  Would not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Engine colours

It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
George Durand who was the company?s Parts Director was very proud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ together with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can?t be ruled out that some blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have been used is anyone?s guess.
It?s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a locally supplied unit fitted before delivery.
Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.

Jonmac
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 16 21:10:26 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 20:10:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
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I believe all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in embossed Bilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a number brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's assembly and install it in the correct car.  Morgan engines were also being assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know.  Maybe they had an "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.  All TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, have the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side.  Kind of neat stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concourse restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.
Dave H.  
> On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the engine "part number."  These both must be reconditioned/warranty?  Would not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Engine colours
> 
> It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
> One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
> George Durand who was the company?s Parts Director was very proud of the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ together with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can?t be ruled out that some blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have been used is anyone?s guess.
> It?s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine factory approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a locally supplied unit fitted before delivery.
> Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.
> 
> Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Jun 17 03:20:30 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2023 10:20:30 +0100
Subject: [TR] Engine colours. Dave Northrop enquire
Message-ID: <DBBF1011-5DC5-4453-A005-CD0998847E73@gmx.com>

Factory recon units from Beans were sold as:

1 Short. Block, pistons and crank.
2 Long. As 1 above plus cylinder head, valves, rockers, valve cover.
3 Fully dressed. As 2 above plus all ancillaries , starter, Dynamo, manifolds,carbs, distributor.

All were painted the yucky blue referred to earlier and had an entirely new engine number bearing no resemblance to the original. Highly doubtful the engine number would appear as a number on a casting. Many of the numbers appearing on engines or other castings, very often refer back to a number used by the foundry who made the part originally.

In Dave?s case, 

1 what is the engine number on his engine, and
2 what is the car?s commission number?

Jonmac

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jun 18 09:33:00 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 15:33:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour
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References: <e9d577935db64d8da0894e3c2d5699b0@ranteer.com>
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I have no history on this car.  it is a ?one owner car? sold to me by a guy who acquired it ?from the original owner.?  I think that at least is true in that he never titled the car and gave me the original title from 1960.  I thought I had a copy of the title but couldn?t find it.  the title is already in my safe deposit box so I?ll post it another time.  if I remember correctly its TS49XXX LO.  So this could be the original engine?  the car still has the metal transmission cover and the overdrive transmission.  once I get deeper into it I?ll see what the numbers look like.  It does have an alternator conversion.  Except for some rust around the battery tray the car is in excellent shape.

The car was in Bulverde, Texas, a suburb of San Antonio.  The guy posted it on craigslist and I just happened to be perusing it at the right time.  this guy has a weird collection of vehicles in a hanger there (we got the tour) and ?is going to sell most of them.?  there are no other British cars there except for a Sunbeam Alpine which ?runs and drives and just needs paint.?  And some body work.  some of the other vehicles ?are totally restored.?  Haha.

Here is the engine number on the one that was painted red.  The other one, which had the TR3 in paintbrush on it is sitting on its side on a dolly so I can?t see the engine number.  At some point we?ll move it and see the engine number.  The guy supposedly bought it for whatever reason and said he paid $600 for it.

I?ll start documenting this on my website (which is woefully out of date) once I get going later this year after I finish another project.

From: LAWRENCE SCHWARTZ <l1j1s at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2023 5:54 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour

Yes, the red color- very interesting. Any history or story on that ?
Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2023, at 4:31 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
?
So how did they get that red color?  Clearly looks like the one I shared.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 10:14 AM
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>>; Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net<mailto:hdrider570 at att.net>>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 Engine Colour

My TR2 engine painted red/orange and other spares.
Dave H.
On 06/15/2023 5:40 AM PDT Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:


That would be news to me. The factory reconditioned engines I've seen in the UK were painted cheap black paint (as Jonmac notes) and got a special FRE plate covering the original engine number.
[https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/X5/i-XvTTKzN-X5.jpg]

Some suppliers to the UK car industry did use different paint to denote reconditioned parts.  I believe that's the reason we sometimes see Lucas parts like wiper motors in a grayish-greenish-bluish color instead of the standard black.  A friend of mine told me once during his time as a motor factor that he sold remaindered gray-green-blue paint to one of the manufacturers so it could all be blended together and used on reconditioned parts...

On Wed, Jun 14, 2023 at 11:21?PM Edward Hamer <hdrider570 at att.net<mailto:hdrider570 at att.net>> wrote:
I seem to remember that the factory painted replacement engines red.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 09:46:41 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:46:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
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Orange-red handpainted marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry
production line in 1958.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg

On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21?PM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

> I believe all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in
> embossed Bilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a number
> brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's
> assembly and install it in the correct car.  Morgan engines were also being
> assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know.  Maybe they had an
> "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.  All
> TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, have
> the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side.  Kind of neat
> stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concourse
> restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.
> Dave H.
> > On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the
> engine "part number."  These both must be reconditioned/warranty?  Would
> not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John
> Macartney
> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] Engine colours
> >
> > It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned
> engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
> > One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units
> (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost
> prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other
> electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include
> Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes
> for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary
> called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an
> unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and
> replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
> > George Durand who was the company?s Parts Director was very proud of the
> unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a number
> of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another for
> Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ together
> with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local companies to
> do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using parts supplied by
> STNA and STC parts divisions. It can?t be ruled out that some blue Beans
> recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts shipments from the
> factory but it makes economic sense for the import company to set up this
> sort of arrangement on a local basis but what colours that might have been
> used is anyone?s guess.
> > It?s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine factory
> approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard
> fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a locally
> supplied unit fitted before delivery.
> > Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a
> service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.
> >
> > Jonmac
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 18 11:29:05 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:29:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 11:48:50 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:48:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Engine colours
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References: <CAPK7CFBYAPAVjoevYbL9ZBv-_JVeaah+1eN4h1Ssf2qpicQsAQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I can read a "ZA-something" and "CKD" in white over an orange-red "3".
Possibly an engine destined for a South African knocked down kit using some
variation on the acronyms?

On Sun, Jun 18, 2023 at 12:29?PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yep, that?s what mine looked like.  I wonder what the white lettering on
> the unit behind it is about?
>
> Bill B
> TS30800L
>
>
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>
> On Jun 18, 2023, at 12:12 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Orange-red handpainted marshalling marks on a TR3 engine on the Coventry
> production line in 1958.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-b5KrzK2/0/86ac2744/O/i-b5KrzK2.jpg
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 10:21?PM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> I believe all TR blocks came from the same foundry, with the cast-in
>> embossed Bilchrome. I also believe that all engines had "TR" plus a number
>> brush painted on the side, to easily pull the correct engine after it's
>> assembly and install it in the correct car.  Morgan engines were also being
>> assembled on the same assembly line, as far as I know.  Maybe they had an
>> "M" painted on the side, but I don't have direct knowledge of this.  All
>> TR3-4 engines that I have seen with the original black engine paint, have
>> the TR plus a number, brush painted on the manifold side.  Kind of neat
>> stuff to find all these years later. I guess that for a correct concourse
>> restoration, the block paint marks should be replicated.
>> Dave H.
>> > On 06/16/2023 6:13 PM PDT dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Here are some closeups showing first the TR painted letters, then the
>> engine "part number."  These both must be reconditioned/warranty?  Would
>> not a normal factory engine say Stanpart?
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John
>> Macartney
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2023 5:46 PM
>> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [TR] Engine colours
>> >
>> > It must be more than twenty years back when this topic on reconditioned
>> engines was aired and I remember contributing to it.
>> > One of the major issues in unit reconditioning is getting the old units
>> (aka in the U.K. as corps or cores) and it would be tedious and cost
>> prohibitive in the extreme to ship worn engines, gearboxes and other
>> electrical items across the Atlantic or more oceans if you include
>> Australia and the Far East. All unit recon work on engines and gearboxes
>> for the U.K. and Europe was undertaken by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary
>> called Beans Industries. In my day, a Beans rebuilt engine was painted an
>> unattractive shade of blue and the engine number was ground off and
>> replaced by a totally different number stamped in place.
>> > George Durand who was the company?s Parts Director was very proud of
>> the unit recon and service exchange programmes he had established in a
>> number of major markets and there was definitely one for the US and another
>> for Canada. Basically, Standard-Triumph North America in Leonia, NJ
>> together with their opposite numbers in Toronto, contracted two local
>> companies to do their recon work as genuine factory replacements using
>> parts supplied by STNA and STC parts divisions. It can?t be ruled out that
>> some blue Beans recon units arrived stateside as part of regular parts
>> shipments from the factory but it makes economic sense for the import
>> company to set up this sort of arrangement on a local basis but what
>> colours that might have been used is anyone?s guess.
>> > It?s all rather like the Triumph branded radios sold as genuine factory
>> approved units. The Acclaim was the first car to have a radio as standard
>> fit but cars that went for export were usually radio-less and had a locally
>> supplied unit fitted before delivery.
>> > Lucas had a different arrangement and usually supplied a new unit in a
>> service exchange packaging identity at a slightly lower retail price.
>> >
>> > Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jun 19 11:22:32 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 18:22:32 +0100
Subject: [TR] Engine colour
Message-ID: <ED3AEEFA-BB7A-4251-8683-3A0DC2AE3381@gmx.com>

There?s been a picture during the recent life of this thread of what appears to be a factory recon unit. A few aspects make me feel it?s not a genuine example though I must stress the evidence is a tad circumstantial.

1. The identity plate doesn?t look to be of the quality the company would have approved. There?s something about it that looks a bit ?amateur?.

2. As I?ve already commented in other posts, factory recon units (afaik) never used the original engine number or a number that looks like it. It was completely different, stamped where the original number would have been, and not on a riveted plate.

3. There?s no evidence of the ubiquitous blue paint on the block or any other part of the block within the reach of the camera lens.

Sticking my neck out, I feel the engine we?ve seen was probably reconditioned in the US or Canada, under a supply contract set up by Standard?s national importer. Such a contract would allow an identity implying it was a ?genuine? part and with a warranty that the importer and the authorised dealer network would have honoured.

Sorry and wish I could be more specific but there?s too much on the pic provided that doesn?t ring true to make that engine genuinely appear to be a factory original recon unit. Hopefully the foregoing May provide those who are model experts for concours judging with some useful background?

Jonmac

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jun 19 13:48:34 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 20:48:34 +0100
Subject: [TR] Which FRE plate looks 'off' to you?
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Hi, Don,

That?s the plate which I think is suspect. That said, the FRE suffix implies factory reconditioned engine. The fact the plate is riveted also is cause for speculation as its location is uncomfortably close to coolant passages and that?s something in itself which would make Engineering very twitchy. The golden rule was you never drilled holes in castings unless you wanted to tap into a coolant or oil feed. Penetrating those internal drilling?s by accident was not an option.

Sadly, I don?t know now what changes may have occurred that far back in terms of what was genuine and what was not. Those of us in the company who were customer facing (I was one of them and company showroom based in London) underwent a raft of continuous training and procedural instruction on so many aspects of the overall business, what was done, why, what was acceptable - and what wasn?t. There was a policy that those of us in the showroom were expected to be walking encyclopaedias on everything the  company did in case we ever got asked. Believe me, we got asked a lot of questions on a huge array of issues. I do so wish I still had all those training notes, production cutover changes, service recall info, Engineering Change Bulletins and Service Bulletins but I finally ditched them at the time of my divorce in 1987. I?ve lost count of the number of occasions since then when I deeply regret throwing them out!!!! I can?t and won?t argue with your photo evidence except to say I remember my mother?s 1954 Standard Eight saloon having a factory recon engine in 1957. The original unit blew out a core plug, lost all its coolant and then seized. That rebuilt unit was painted blue with a different number and no plate. That also applied to the hundreds of recon units I saw over the years - and that included the old side valve engines going back to the 1930s! I also well recall Dad was so disgusted with said engine that he took it out, stripped it right down and rebuilt it again to ?as new? production spec. The car was still on the road with friends who bought it, as late as 1968 and it was still painted blue.

We?re now so far down the track, I doubt there?s anyone I know who is still alive who can provide a definitive answer which is a pity for the originality fraternity, especially on your side of the pond for whom such detail appears to be so important:)

Sorry - but cheers, John

> On 19 Jun 2023, at 19:16, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Which photo looks wonky to you, John?
> 
> The one I posted earlier, this one...
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/O/i-XvTTKzN.jpg
> 
> ...belongs to OFU198, a TR3 in long ownership by Bob LeBrocq in Leatherhead, Surrey.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7qMKXqm/0/e16da7ed/X5/i-7qMKXqm-X5.jpg
> 
> Bob tells me he repainted the engine in black when he had it out a few years before I took that photo in 2015.  And that he has no recollection at all of what color the block was before that!
> 
> The engine with that plate have been in the car as long as he's had it -- many, many decades, possibly since the early 1970s -- and he figures it was installed in the 1960s.  He's pretty sure it's a legit FRE unit.  
> 
> Whaddya think?
> 
> Don
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 12:37?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> There?s been a picture during the recent life of this thread of what appears to be a factory recon unit. A few aspects make me feel it?s not a genuine example though I must stress the evidence is a tad circumstantial.
>> 
>> 1. The identity plate doesn?t look to be of the quality the company would have approved. There?s something about it that looks a bit ?amateur?.
>> 
>> 2. As I?ve already commented in other posts, factory recon units (afaik) never used the original engine number or a number that looks like it. It was completely different, stamped where the original number would have been, and not on a riveted plate.
>> 
>> 3. There?s no evidence of the ubiquitous blue paint on the block or any other part of the block within the reach of the camera lens.
>> 
>> Sticking my neck out, I feel the engine we?ve seen was probably reconditioned in the US or Canada, under a supply contract set up by Standard?s national importer. Such a contract would allow an identity implying it was a ?genuine? part and with a warranty that the importer and the authorised dealer network would have honoured.
>> 
>> Sorry and wish I could be more specific but there?s too much on the pic provided that doesn?t ring true to make that engine genuinely appear to be a factory original recon unit. Hopefully the foregoing May provide those who are model experts for concours judging with some useful background?
>> 
>> Jonmac
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 14:38:07 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:38:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Which FRE plate looks 'off' to you?
In-Reply-To: <915111F9-C33E-43C7-867A-B9963202072D@gmx.com>
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It's not so much that it's important, Jonmac -- it really isn't.  But it IS
interesting in the history of our cars.

There are numerous references to copper drive rivets being used to attach
FRE data plates to TR engines.  This thread on the TR Register forum, for
example, shows photos of several examples. There's also some discussion of
engine color, too.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/68936-engine-colour/

On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 2:48?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> Hi, Don,
>
> That?s the plate which I think is suspect. That said, the FRE suffix
> implies factory reconditioned engine. The fact the plate is riveted also is
> cause for speculation as its location is uncomfortably close to coolant
> passages and that?s something in itself which would make Engineering very
> twitchy. The golden rule was you never drilled holes in castings unless you
> wanted to tap into a coolant or oil feed. Penetrating those internal
> drilling?s by accident was not an option.
>
> Sadly, I don?t know now what changes may have occurred that far back in
> terms of what was genuine and what was not. Those of us in the company who
> were customer facing (I was one of them and company showroom based in
> London) underwent a raft of continuous training and procedural instruction
> on so many aspects of the overall business, what was done, why, what was
> acceptable - and what wasn?t. There was a policy that those of us in the
> showroom were expected to be walking encyclopaedias on everything the
>  company did in case we ever got asked. Believe me, we got asked a lot of
> questions on a huge array of issues. I do so wish I still had all those
> training notes, production cutover changes, service recall info,
> Engineering Change Bulletins and Service Bulletins but I finally ditched
> them at the time of my divorce in 1987. I?ve lost count of the number of
> occasions since then when I deeply regret throwing them out!!!! I can?t and
> won?t argue with your photo evidence except to say I remember my mother?s
> 1954 Standard Eight saloon having a factory recon engine in 1957. The
> original unit blew out a core plug, lost all its coolant and then seized.
> That rebuilt unit was painted blue with a different number and no plate.
> That also applied to the hundreds of recon units I saw over the years - and
> that included the old side valve engines going back to the 1930s! I also
> well recall Dad was so disgusted with said engine that he took it out,
> stripped it right down and rebuilt it again to ?as new? production spec.
> The car was still on the road with friends who bought it, as late as 1968
> and it was still painted blue.
>
> We?re now so far down the track, I doubt there?s anyone I know who is
> still alive who can provide a definitive answer which is a pity for the
> originality fraternity, especially on your side of the pond for whom such
> detail appears to be so important:)
>
> Sorry - but cheers, John
>
> On 19 Jun 2023, at 19:16, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Which photo looks wonky to you, John?
>
> The one I posted earlier, this one...
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XvTTKzN/0/26f8c2fc/O/i-XvTTKzN.jpg
>
> ...belongs to OFU198, a TR3 in long ownership by Bob LeBrocq in
> Leatherhead, Surrey.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7qMKXqm/0/e16da7ed/X5/i-7qMKXqm-X5.jpg
>
> Bob tells me he repainted the engine in black when he had it out a few
> years before I took that photo in 2015.  And that he has no recollection at
> all of what color the block was before that!
>
> The engine with that plate have been in the car as long as he's had it --
> many, many decades, possibly since the early 1970s -- and he figures it was
> installed in the 1960s.  He's pretty sure it's a legit FRE unit.
>
> Whaddya think?
>
> Don
>
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2023 at 12:37?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There?s been a picture during the recent life of this thread of what
>> appears to be a factory recon unit. A few aspects make me feel it?s not a
>> genuine example though I must stress the evidence is a tad circumstantial.
>>
>> 1. The identity plate doesn?t look to be of the quality the company would
>> have approved. There?s something about it that looks a bit ?amateur?.
>>
>> 2. As I?ve already commented in other posts, factory recon units (afaik)
>> never used the original engine number or a number that looks like it. It
>> was completely different, stamped where the original number would have
>> been, and not on a riveted plate.
>>
>> 3. There?s no evidence of the ubiquitous blue paint on the block or any
>> other part of the block within the reach of the camera lens.
>>
>> Sticking my neck out, I feel the engine we?ve seen was probably
>> reconditioned in the US or Canada, under a supply contract set up by
>> Standard?s national importer. Such a contract would allow an identity
>> implying it was a ?genuine? part and with a warranty that the importer and
>> the authorised dealer network would have honoured.
>>
>> Sorry and wish I could be more specific but there?s too much on the pic
>> provided that doesn?t ring true to make that engine genuinely appear to be
>> a factory original recon unit. Hopefully the foregoing May provide those
>> who are model experts for concours judging with some useful background?
>>
>> Jonmac
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Mon Jun 19 18:52:45 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 20:52:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] How to apply a Moss decal
Message-ID: <D026FA30-0FA7-47C3-BB93-D2F7480DE2F4@comcast.net>

I have a Moss decal for the lighting switch that gets applied to the escutcheon at the steering wheel on my TR4A.   The decal came with no instructions.  None on the moss webpage about this decal either

It is not obviously a ?peel and stick?. I can?t tell if it is a like the old fashioned model decals that get soaked in water and floated off

Anybody know how to make this work.  I?d rather not destroy it in my attempts to use it and then have to order a new one!!!

I am in digest mode, so please also reply directly to me, if possible.

-Tony

From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jun 20 06:17:50 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 12:17:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] How to apply a Moss decal
In-Reply-To: <D026FA30-0FA7-47C3-BB93-D2F7480DE2F4@comcast.net>
References: <D026FA30-0FA7-47C3-BB93-D2F7480DE2F4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1621315076.2372005.1687263470471@mail.yahoo.com>

 I remember that in my youth I built several plastic models that included decals that were water-activated.? I know I have applied these decals to my TR6 escutcheons but I forget exactly what I did but it is likely that I used the same technique. Dip it in water and apply to the surface and let it dry.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Jun 19, 2023 7:52 pm
Subject: [TR] How to apply a Moss decal

I have a Moss decal for the lighting switch that gets applied to the escutcheon at the steering wheel on my TR4A.? The decal came with no instructions.? None on the moss webpage about this decal either

It is not obviously a ?peel and stick?. I can?t tell if it is a like the old fashioned model decals that get soaked in water and floated off

Anybody know how to make this work.? I?d rather not destroy it in my attempts to use it and then have to order a new one!!!

I am in digest mode, so please also reply directly to me, if possible.

-Tony
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jun 20 16:29:32 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 22:29:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
Message-ID: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>

Working on a 59 TR3a.  it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)

No keys.

Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 20:11:37 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:11:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
In-Reply-To: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
References: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
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 i just took the lock out ov the vehicle and took it to a locksmith.he cut a key and it worked no problem.
Frank
    On Tuesday, June 20, 2023 at 07:02:35 PM PDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
  
Working on a 59 TR3a.? it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)
 
 ?
 
No keys.
 
 ?
 
Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
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From stan at redtr6.com  Tue Jun 20 20:17:43 2023
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 02:17:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
In-Reply-To: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
References: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
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I would start here:

https://triple-c.com/Original_Wilmot_Breeden_Keys.cfm

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys

Working on a 59 TR3a.  it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)

No keys.

Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Jun 20 21:11:50 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 23:11:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB65756C2C9D6BC711015C6A36FE5DA@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
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also Pete.... http://britishcarkeys.com/

ptegler

On 6/20/2023 10:17 PM, Stan Foster wrote:
>
> I would start here:
>
> https://triple-c.com/Original_Wilmot_Breeden_Keys.cfm
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave 
> northrup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:30 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] TR3a keys
>
> Working on a 59 TR3a.? it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock 
> (unlocked), and ignition (not on)
>
> No keys.
>
> Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
>
>
> **triumphs at autox.team.net  **
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 21:39:33 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 22:39:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
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Try also Pete Groh at:  petegroh at gmail.com

Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:42 PM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:

?
I would start here:
 
https://triple-c.com/Original_Wilmot_Breeden_Keys.cfm
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
 
Working on a 59 TR3a.  it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)
 
No keys.
 
Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 04:51:08 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 06:51:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
In-Reply-To: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
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The Roadster Factory also has new original keys by key code. Jim

> On Jun 20, 2023, at 10:03 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Working on a 59 TR3a.  it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)
>  
> No keys.
>  
> Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jun 21 05:47:06 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 11:47:06 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys
In-Reply-To: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
References: <738c4d026f784f1caaa5f8a7ebc3c429@ranteer.com>
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Philip the key guy (I don't know his last name) - (717) 891-1580

Sometimes Albert at TRF has keys.  TRF also sells a one key fits all wit the three separate locks.

Andrew

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 6:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3a keys

Working on a 59 TR3a.  it has a glovebox lock (unlocked), trunk lock (unlocked), and ignition (not on)

No keys.

Can I get keys from someone using the numbers on the locks?
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Jun 21 06:21:36 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 08:21:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] How to apply a Moss decal
In-Reply-To: <1621315076.2372005.1687263470471@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <D026FA30-0FA7-47C3-BB93-D2F7480DE2F4@comcast.net>
 <1621315076.2372005.1687263470471@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <018501d9a43a$ece43ee0$c6acbca0$@bell.net>

Agreed, but would add using a spray bottle with 2 ? 5 drops of dishwash soap added to the water in the bottle. Moisten the surface before application so the decal can be positioned correctly before squeegeeing out any air bubbles. Soak the decal in this same solution to slide the decal off the backing.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 8:18 AM
To: spamiam at comcast.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] How to apply a Moss decal

 

I remember that in my youth I built several plastic models that included decals that were water-activated.  I know I have applied these decals to my TR6 escutcheons but I forget exactly what I did but it is likely that I used the same technique. Dip it in water and apply to the surface and let it dry.

 

Dave 

 

 

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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 21 14:41:42 2023
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2023 20:41:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] key story
References: <1442285472.1718283.1687380102437.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I see someone is looking for keys.? One day, while out in my TR3, which I had been driving for 40+ years, she was giving me problems each time I went to turn the key.? I wound up jiggling it and she started.? It happened each time, as I went place to place.? When I got home, I realized I had been out with the keys to my 1965 Daimler, 250.
You might not have the keys to your vehicle, but who knows what else may work.
Ann Carletta1960 (or '59?) TR3A1965 Daimler V8 2.5L2012 Jaguar XJ
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From lee at automate-it.com  Thu Jun 22 16:40:48 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 17:40:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] key story
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 <1442285472.1718283.1687380102437@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ha! Great story!

I had a car (I think maybe the '78 Pinto) that had this type of switch:

And eventually, it no longer required a key at all - you just needed to 
turn the "ears" on the switch...

  Lee

On 2023-06-21 15:41, Ann Carletta wrote:

> I see someone is looking for keys.  One day, while out in my TR3, which 
> I had been driving for 40+ years, she was giving me problems each time 
> I went to turn the key.  I wound up jiggling it and she started.  It 
> happened each time, as I went place to place.  When I got home, I 
> realized I had been out with the keys to my 1965 Daimler, 250.
> 
> You might not have the keys to your vehicle, but who knows what else 
> may work.
> 
> Ann Carletta
> 1960 (or '59?) TR3A
> 1965 Daimler V8 2.5L
> 2012 Jaguar XJ
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 09:54:59 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 11:54:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all !

Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I
can't
recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have
restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.

After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do
with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For
example,
I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6
exhaust,
TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red
fan, a
yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.

Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone
have for
a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?

Dave
Gorham, Maine
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 23 12:18:51 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 13:18:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7727611-44D5-4820-A33C-1B2DD7D476E0@yahoo.com>

I?ve seen on eBay where all the parts are laid out in pictures with a Take-All price. 

Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jun 23, 2023, at 1:07 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Greetings all !

Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't 
recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have 
restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.

After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do 
with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust, 
TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a 
yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.

Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for 
a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?

Dave
Gorham, Maine



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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 13:10:25 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 15:10:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CA136E5-BEFD-4B89-90B2-7FE6F192574E@gmail.com>

Triumph experience site.  They have a parts for sale area and in my opinion I always try to move extra parts to other TR enthusiasts in need before plopping on eBay and FB MP.  eBay fees are high too.  
Jim Henningsen

> On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:17 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Greetings all !
> 
> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't 
> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have 
> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
> 
> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do 
> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust, 
> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a 
> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
> 
> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for 
> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
> 
> Dave
> Gorham, Maine
> 
> 
> 
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 13:16:03 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 15:16:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <4CA136E5-BEFD-4B89-90B2-7FE6F192574E@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <4CA136E5-BEFD-4B89-90B2-7FE6F192574E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgNmsNFTBGs4Sxd3_GEb7aF+gPUJ+PCs+OwhjxdvXT_xg@mail.gmail.com>

I like Phil?s idea if a swap meet. With eBay?s high fees and the packing
and shipping costs, in-person dealings seem a whole lot more ?club/user
friendly.?

Anyone know if Mike Buonanduci (?Bit of Britain? in Bradford, VT) is still
dealing with things LBC?

Dave

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Triumph experience site.  They have a parts for sale area and in my
> opinion I always try to move extra parts to other TR enthusiasts in need
> before plopping on eBay and FB MP.  eBay fees are high too.
> Jim Henningsen
>
> On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:17 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Greetings all !
>
> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I
> can't
> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have
> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
>
> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do
> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For
> example,
> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6
> exhaust,
> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red
> fan, a
> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
>
> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone
> have for
> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
>
> Dave
> Gorham, Maine
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From lee at automate-it.com  Fri Jun 23 13:33:19 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 14:33:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e14f97cd1a20f41f399a3cb5339c495b@automate-it.com>

This is a great question! I have a fun TR6 that I regularly drive, and 
another, mostly disassembled, that I have now realized will never see 
road time again, and parts (the entire drive train) of a third that 
provide the occasional useful part. What to do with the many extras (and 
extra extras, now that I think about all the crap I've picked up here 
and there over the years)? We have this fantastic communication forum, 
but actually moving physical parts (some of them way too heavy/bulky to 
economically ship) is a major roadblock. I suspect that the next several 
years are going to see a lot of metal get dropped off at the local metal 
recycling yard.

I've benefited from the generosity of many of you who have 
donated/sold/shipped needed accessories as I've kept up my habit over 
the years. I'm not particularly close to the epicenter of the Triumph 
club I belong to (Texas Triumph Register, Houston) but I've 
bought/sold/been given/provided parts with several of the members. But 
our numbers are dwindling, and we are not going to see another 
generation of Triumph aficionados. I will likely end up trashing a bunch 
of the spares I've collected. Like the good TR6 head/block in the corner 
(with the head firmly stuck on) that came out of a mostly-destroyed car 
I came across.

So I also await the wisdom of The List.

  - Lee

On 2023-06-23 10:54, David Friedlander wrote:

> Greetings all !
> 
> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but 
> I can't
> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us 
> have
> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
> 
> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to 
> do
> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For 
> example,
> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock 
> TR6 exhaust,
> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a 
> red fan, a
> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
> 
> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone 
> have for
> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
> 
> Dave
> Gorham, Maine
> 
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> 
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 23 14:06:34 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:06:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <320246376.2418553.1687550794699@mail.yahoo.com>

 going to let my kids decide what to with them when i die.
Frankl






    On Friday, June 23, 2023 at 11:35:23 AM PDT, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Greetings?all !
Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't?recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have?restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do?with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust,?TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a?yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for?a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
DaveGorham, Maine


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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 16:59:49 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 18:59:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgt_aYG-4Bxuw0Y6uvRg1Et1To+_BxzyOJJ4RJgStzQuA@mail.gmail.com>

Gene;

I will answer you offline.

Dave

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:15 PM <gfvermont at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I?m new to both TR3?s and NET. In April I bought my first 3B with steel
> wheels and beautiful chrome hub caps with the triumph badge. Problem is
> that a couple of them are slightly out of round and I?m sure is the cause
> of the wobble I get at times. I can?t seem to locate new ones and how do I
> know if the used ones are any better then what I already have?
>
> So  you can probably guess my next question?how are your wheels?
>
> Gene Felder
>
>
>
> *From:* NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> *On Behalf Of *David
> Friedlander via NET
> *Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2023 11:55 AM
> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
> net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Subject:* [NET] Parts, parts....
>
>
>
> Greetings all !
>
>
>
> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I
> can't
>
> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have
>
> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
>
>
>
> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do
>
> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For
> example,
>
> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6
> exhaust,
>
> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red
> fan, a
>
> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
>
>
>
> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone
> have for
>
> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
>
>
>
> Dave
>
> Gorham, Maine
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 18:16:55 2023
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:16:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <e14f97cd1a20f41f399a3cb5339c495b@automate-it.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <e14f97cd1a20f41f399a3cb5339c495b@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <CADK3t97BwA-g_eKZKPknNVx+x_NS7k9q31m=JNpbxbiq7FBPcw@mail.gmail.com>

Just for interest, when I retired from racing four years ago, I decided I
didn't need extra blocks, cranks, and heads.
Could not find anybody in my local Triumph club that was interested in
anything. They had rather order from a
catalogue. I loaded up my truck with 1850 lbs of metal parts and made a
haul to the scrap yard. Still have lots of
small stuff but that will soon be going somewhere soon. Am soon going to
finish my last project car. Putting my
racing Warwick GT back as a street car. Have not decided what to do with
the TR4 race car yet. Might put that back
as a street runner.

Dean T.



On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 7:56?PM <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:

> This is a great question! I have a fun TR6 that I regularly drive, and
> another, mostly disassembled, that I have now realized will never see road
> time again, and parts (the entire drive train) of a third that provide the
> occasional useful part. What to do with the many extras (and extra extras,
> now that I think about all the crap I've picked up here and there over the
> years)? We have this fantastic communication forum, but actually moving
> physical parts (some of them way too heavy/bulky to economically ship) is a
> major roadblock. I suspect that the next several years are going to see a
> lot of metal get dropped off at the local metal recycling yard.
>
> I've benefited from the generosity of many of you who have
> donated/sold/shipped needed accessories as I've kept up my habit over the
> years. I'm not particularly close to the epicenter of the Triumph club I
> belong to (Texas Triumph Register, Houston) but I've bought/sold/been
> given/provided parts with several of the members. But our numbers are
> dwindling, and we are not going to see another generation of Triumph
> aficionados. I will likely end up trashing a bunch of the spares I've
> collected. Like the good TR6 head/block in the corner (with the head firmly
> stuck on) that came out of a mostly-destroyed car I came across.
>
> So I also await the wisdom of The List.
>
>  - Lee
>
>
> On 2023-06-23 10:54, David Friedlander wrote:
>
> Greetings all !
>
> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I
> can't
> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have
> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
>
> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do
> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For
> example,
> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6
> exhaust,
> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red
> fan, a
> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
>
> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone
> have for
> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
>
> Dave
> Gorham, Maine
>
>
>
>
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>
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From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 21:25:20 2023
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:25:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] [NET] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgt_aYG-4Bxuw0Y6uvRg1Et1To+_BxzyOJJ4RJgStzQuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
 <CAJ1eQwgt_aYG-4Bxuw0Y6uvRg1Et1To+_BxzyOJJ4RJgStzQuA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A4F4C91-C400-4F38-A724-33BF927C5E34@gmail.com>

Sounds like a lot generosity out there.  Maybe a first solution would be for people needing parts post requests here.  I?m getting a gasoline smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced on my TR6.  I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone has one in their spare parts boxes.  Also, looking at a drip on the rear end so I may be needing some work on the differential.  If we all put our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.

Frank Burkhart


> On Jun 23, 2023, at 3:59 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gene;
> 
> I will answer you offline.
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:15 PM <gfvermont at gmail.com <mailto:gfvermont at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> I?m new to both TR3?s and NET. In April I bought my first 3B with steel wheels and beautiful chrome hub caps with the triumph badge. Problem is that a couple of them are slightly out of round and I?m sure is the cause of the wobble I get at times. I can?t seem to locate new ones and how do I know if the used ones are any better then what I already have?
>> 
>> So  you can probably guess my next question?how are your wheels?
>> 
>> Gene Felder
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org>> On Behalf Of David Friedlander via NET
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:55 AM
>> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>
>> Subject: [NET] Parts, parts....
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Greetings all !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't 
>> 
>> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have 
>> 
>> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do 
>> 
>> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
>> 
>> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust, 
>> 
>> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a 
>> 
>> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for 
>> 
>> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> Gorham, Maine
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jun 23 21:27:43 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2023 20:27:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] [NET] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgt_aYG-4Bxuw0Y6uvRg1Et1To+_BxzyOJJ4RJgStzQuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1699654995.1380901.1687577263287@connect.xfinity.com>

Gene,
I have a couple or a few dozen TR3 wheels in my possession.  They were all bent or out of round or not true.  All of them, to different degrees of severity.  I think some can be straightened or trued.  Most have become hose hangers around my ranch.  They made really nice hose hangers, patina and all.  I use old wire wheels too.  They are not worth rebuilding or repairing.  
Cheers,
Dave H.

> On 06/23/2023 3:59 PM PDT David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> Gene;
>  
> I will answer you offline.
>  
> Dave
> 
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:15 PM <gfvermont at gmail.com mailto:gfvermont at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi Dave,
> > 
> > I?m new to both TR3?s and NET. In April I bought my first 3B with steel wheels and beautiful chrome hub caps with the triumph badge. Problem is that a couple of them are slightly out of round and I?m sure is the cause of the wobble I get at times. I can?t seem to locate new ones and how do I know if the used ones are any better then what I already have?
> > 
> > So  you can probably guess my next question?how are your wheels?
> > 
> > Gene Felder
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org mailto:net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> On Behalf Of David Friedlander via NET
> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:55 AM
> > To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> > Subject: [NET] Parts, parts....
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Greetings all !
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't 
> > 
> > recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have 
> > 
> > restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do 
> > 
> > with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
> > 
> > I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust, 
> > 
> > TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a 
> > 
> > yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for 
> > 
> > a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Dave
> > 
> > Gorham, Maine
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Jun 24 06:03:18 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 12:03:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgNmsNFTBGs4Sxd3_GEb7aF+gPUJ+PCs+OwhjxdvXT_xg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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Mike Buonanduci is a constant:  still buying, still selling, still a curmudgeon, but one of the best sources for those hard-to-find parts.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 3:16 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

I like Phil?s idea if a swap meet. With eBay?s high fees and the packing and shipping costs, in-person dealings seem a whole lot more ?club/user friendly.?

Anyone know if Mike Buonanduci (?Bit of Britain? in Bradford, VT) is still dealing with things LBC?

Dave

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 3:10 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Triumph experience site.  They have a parts for sale area and in my opinion I always try to move extra parts to other TR enthusiasts in need before plopping on eBay and FB MP.  eBay fees are high too.
Jim Henningsen


On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:17 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
Greetings all !

Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't
recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have
restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.

After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do
with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust,
TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a
yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.

Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for
a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?

Dave
Gorham, Maine



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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun 24 11:53:03 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 11:53:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <0A4F4C91-C400-4F38-A724-33BF927C5E34@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> Sounds like a lot generosity out there. ?Maybe a first solution would be 
> for people needing parts post requests here. ?I?m getting a gasoline 
> smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced 
> on my TR6. ?I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone 
> has one in their spare parts boxes. ?Also, looking at a drip on the rear 
> end so I may be needing some work on the differential. ?If we all put 
> our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.

I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant 
for parts sales.  It didn't go over that well.  I think I pulled the 
plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.  I would certainly be willing to 
revive it, see if it gets any use.

mjb.



From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 18:12:21 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 19:12:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?As_part_of_the_centenary_of_the_Triumph_marque=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li7igIs=?=
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBEFQ4XVt4LR0rJz2oK65BkRj1SmanGAcLgnh_TS5=Oig@mail.gmail.com>

As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at
places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.  Especially the
pre-1940 Triumphs

Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton
Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.

https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 24 21:04:30 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 03:04:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 
 =?utf-8?q?As_part_of_the_centenary_of_the_Triumph_marque=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li7igIs=?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBEFQ4XVt4LR0rJz2oK65BkRj1SmanGAcLgnh_TS5=Oig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFBEFQ4XVt4LR0rJz2oK65BkRj1SmanGAcLgnh_TS5=Oig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <274387280.2615998.1687662270847@mail.yahoo.com>

 Donthank you.so close to my birthplace, but so far to attend.you have to love the dolomites.?if only i had a winning lottery ticket.Frank
    On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 05:30:44 PM PDT, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.? Especially the pre-1940 Triumphs
Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 24 21:16:19 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 22:16:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] 
 =?utf-8?q?As_part_of_the_centenary_of_the_Triumph_marque=2E?=
 =?utf-8?b?Li7igIs=?=
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBEFQ4XVt4LR0rJz2oK65BkRj1SmanGAcLgnh_TS5=Oig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFBEFQ4XVt4LR0rJz2oK65BkRj1SmanGAcLgnh_TS5=Oig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D1479B7-75B4-46B7-9DC0-4F12D82B5E0B@yahoo.com>

I always thought the Triumph car didn?t come about till the ?30s.  When did they split with the motorbike folks?
Bill B

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jun 24, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

?
As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.  Especially the pre-1940 Triumphs

Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.

https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jun 25 04:04:23 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:04:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <fd106d83-21b3-44ca-17d5-0ca8549a3c8e@bradakis.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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 Cool.? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> Sounds like a lot generosity out there. ?Maybe a first solution would be 
> for people needing parts post requests here. ?I?m getting a gasoline 
> smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced 
> on my TR6. ?I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone 
> has one in their spare parts boxes. ?Also, looking at a drip on the rear 
> end so I may be needing some work on the differential. ?If we all put 
> our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.

I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant 
for parts sales.? It didn't go over that well.? I think I pulled the 
plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.? I would certainly be willing to 
revive it, see if it gets any use.

mjb.


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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 05:31:13 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:31:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <155902215.3470482.1687687463605@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
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 <0A4F4C91-C400-4F38-A724-33BF927C5E34@gmail.com>
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Dave;

That?s why I started this thread last week: We all have many boxes of parts
(along with some items way too to big to fit in a box) and we?ve likely
been looking at them and storing them for years, not knowing what to do
with them? And we know it?s ?not right? to just take them to the scrap
yard. I?ve heard some good suggestions and I hope NET and the other clubs
we belong to can add some kind of parts swap meet to our agendas?. sooner
rather than later would be good!

Dave Friedlander
Gorham, Maine

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Cool.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection
> of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
>
> Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....
>
> On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> > Sounds like a lot generosity out there.  Maybe a first solution would be
> > for people needing parts post requests here.  I?m getting a gasoline
> > smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced
> > on my TR6.  I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone
> > has one in their spare parts boxes.  Also, looking at a drip on the rear
> > end so I may be needing some work on the differential.  If we all put
> > our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.
>
> I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant
> for parts sales.  It didn't go over that well.  I think I pulled the
> plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.  I would certainly be willing to
> revive it, see if it gets any use.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 25 07:00:54 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:00:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
Message-ID: <131b8e84-c94f-a0b7-00cd-9561688952ef@bradakis.com>

Okay, autojumble is on the air.

To subscribe, go to autox.team.net/listinfo/autojumble

Have at it!

mjb

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jun 25 07:07:12 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:07:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
Message-ID: <0448693a-8f60-f382-358d-2afe50a632a7@bradakis.com>

Oops.  Something just happened, and it wasn't good.  I'll get it fixed soon.

mjb.

From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jun 25 07:59:20 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 13:59:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjZGwkEffeva+nx1m_bkx_ztkHWPS3boqVphtW5-SggZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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 Luck me.? We have a local club member who has a barn and will take just about anything.? And if anyone needs anything he might have it.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: mark at bradakis.com <mark at bradakis.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 25, 2023 6:31 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

Dave;
That?s why I started this thread last week: We all have many boxes of parts (along with some items way too to big to fit in a box) and we?ve likely been looking at them and storing them for years, not knowing what to do with them? And we know it?s ?not right? to just take them to the scrap yard. I?ve heard some good suggestions and I hope NET and the other clubs we belong to can add some kind of parts swap meet to our agendas?. sooner rather than later would be good!
Dave Friedlander?Gorham, Maine
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Cool.? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> Sounds like a lot generosity out there.? Maybe a first solution would be 
> for people needing parts post requests here.? I?m getting a gasoline 
> smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced 
> on my TR6.? I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone 
> has one in their spare parts boxes.? Also, looking at a drip on the rear 
> end so I may be needing some work on the differential.? If we all put 
> our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.

I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant 
for parts sales.? It didn't go over that well.? I think I pulled the 
plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.? I would certainly be willing to 
revive it, see if it gets any use.

mjb.


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From billyb62 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 08:09:35 2023
From: billyb62 at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:09:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
In-Reply-To: <131b8e84-c94f-a0b7-00cd-9561688952ef@bradakis.com>
References: <131b8e84-c94f-a0b7-00cd-9561688952ef@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAKQUVB+Zx2=PYmg_5SCwcOGAQmaF9dW2FAq2S1wOvNtXFGZ27g@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

I?m getting a ?Not Found? error message when accessing the link.

Bill

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:46 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Okay, autojumble is on the air.
>
> To subscribe, go to autox.team.net/listinfo/autojumble
>
> Have at it!
>
> mjb
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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jun 25 08:17:02 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 10:17:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
In-Reply-To: <131b8e84-c94f-a0b7-00cd-9561688952ef@bradakis.com>
References: <131b8e84-c94f-a0b7-00cd-9561688952ef@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <2019443280.785051.1687702622319@myemail.cox.net>

I get a Not Found error (404)

Joe

> On June 25, 2023 at 9:00 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com mailto:mark at bradakis.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     Okay, autojumble is on the air.
> 
>     To subscribe, go to autox.team.net/listinfo/autojumble
> 
>     Have at it!
> 
>     mjb
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From cofrog at q.com  Sun Jun 25 08:39:12 2023
From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 07:39:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] Wiper Motor (Parts, Parts... )
Message-ID: <68JGN7OMAKU4.RXJ3Y8TWAOS13@luweb01oc>

Having a way to have usable TR parts avoid the scrapper would be a great benefit to keeping these things on the road.


If anyone has a TR4 wiper motor laying around I'd be interested in buying it. 


Dan Forgey
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jun 25 09:11:27 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 08:11:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjZGwkEffeva+nx1m_bkx_ztkHWPS3boqVphtW5-SggZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <179920091.1497297.1687705887926@connect.xfinity.com>

I have a number of good used TR2-3A body panels if anyone needs something.  I have doors and trunk lids galore.  All three iterations of trunk lids.  Lots of rebuildable side curtains and multiple top bows.  Blocks, cranks, gear boxes and a few heads.  About 20 intake manifolds and a big box of S-Us and just about anything else from a TR2-3.
Oh, and some firewood.  ; )
Dave H. 

> On 06/25/2023 4:31 AM PDT David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>  
>  
> Dave;
>  
> That?s why I started this thread last week: We all have many boxes of parts (along with some items way too to big to fit in a box) and we?ve likely been looking at them and storing them for years, not knowing what to do with them? And we know it?s ?not right? to just take them to the scrap yard. I?ve heard some good suggestions and I hope NET and the other clubs we belong to can add some kind of parts swap meet to our agendas?. sooner rather than later would be good!
>  
> Dave Friedlander 
> Gorham, Maine
> 
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> > Cool.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
> >  
> > Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
> >  
> > Dave
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com mailto:mark at bradakis.com>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....
> > 
> > On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> > > Sounds like a lot generosity out there.  Maybe a first solution would be
> > > for people needing parts post requests here.  I?m getting a gasoline
> > > smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced
> > > on my TR6.  I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone
> > > has one in their spare parts boxes.  Also, looking at a drip on the rear
> > > end so I may be needing some work on the differential.  If we all put
> > > our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.
> > 
> > I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant
> > for parts sales.  It didn't go over that well.  I think I pulled the
> > plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.  I would certainly be willing to
> > revive it, see if it gets any use.
> > 
> > mjb.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 10:58:52 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 12:58:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <1299849918.3928578.1687701560374@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02f401d9a620$35a6fa00$a0f4ee00$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjOD29mSmZ2thkH_v24BPqBt=Qjd8oexbGVanitJHfRUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe we should all donate our parts to your friend?s barn. Then, when
anyone needs any TR part, they make a reasonable offering for it. The
proceeds could go to fund NET events/projects? Just trying to get creative
with ideas here, so we?re not still looking at these stacks of parts 10
years from now!

Dave Friedlander

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:59 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Luck me.  We have a local club member who has a barn and will take just
> about anything.  And if anyone needs anything he might have it.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: mark at bradakis.com <mark at bradakis.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Jun 25, 2023 6:31 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....
>
> Dave;
>
> That?s why I started this thread last week: We all have many boxes of
> parts (along with some items way too to big to fit in a box) and we?ve
> likely been looking at them and storing them for years, not knowing what to
> do with them? And we know it?s ?not right? to just take them to the scrap
> yard. I?ve heard some good suggestions and I hope NET and the other clubs
> we belong to can add some kind of parts swap meet to our agendas?. sooner
> rather than later would be good!
>
> Dave Friedlander
> Gorham, Maine
>
> On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Cool.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection
> of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
>
> Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....
>
> On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> > Sounds like a lot generosity out there.  Maybe a first solution would be
> > for people needing parts post requests here.  I?m getting a gasoline
> > smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced
> > on my TR6.  I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone
> > has one in their spare parts boxes.  Also, looking at a drip on the rear
> > end so I may be needing some work on the differential.  If we all put
> > our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.
>
> I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant
> for parts sales.  It didn't go over that well.  I think I pulled the
> plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.  I would certainly be willing to
> revive it, see if it gets any use.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jun 25 11:08:05 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 17:08:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjOD29mSmZ2thkH_v24BPqBt=Qjd8oexbGVanitJHfRUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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 That's a good idea except for the logistics.? Since you're in Main we are 1000 miles away.? That's a long drive and a bulk shipment will be pretty expensive.? A better solution is to set up regional repositories.? It sounds like your Mr Bonaduci is much closer to you.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: mark at bradakis.com <mark at bradakis.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 25, 2023 11:58 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

Maybe we should all donate our parts to your friend?s barn. Then, when anyone needs any TR part, they make a reasonable offering for it. The proceeds could go to fund NET events/projects? Just trying to get creative with ideas here, so we?re not still looking at these stacks of parts 10 years from now!
Dave Friedlander?
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 9:59 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Luck me.? We have a local club member who has a barn and will take just about anything.? And if anyone needs anything he might have it.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: mark at bradakis.com <mark at bradakis.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 25, 2023 6:31 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

Dave;
That?s why I started this thread last week: We all have many boxes of parts (along with some items way too to big to fit in a box) and we?ve likely been looking at them and storing them for years, not knowing what to do with them? And we know it?s ?not right? to just take them to the scrap yard. I?ve heard some good suggestions and I hope NET and the other clubs we belong to can add some kind of parts swap meet to our agendas?. sooner rather than later would be good!
Dave Friedlander?Gorham, Maine
On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:17 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Cool.? I'm sure I'm not the only one who has accumulated a vast collection of odds and ends and is not willing to just throw them out.
Anyone interested in some old TR3 door panels?
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Jun 24, 2023 12:53 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Parts, parts....

On 6/23/23 9:25 PM, Frank Burkhart wrote:
> Sounds like a lot generosity out there.? Maybe a first solution would be 
> for people needing parts post requests here.? I?m getting a gasoline 
> smell and it might be that the charcoal canister has never been replaced 
> on my TR6.? I was thinking about buying a replacement - maybe someone 
> has one in their spare parts boxes.? Also, looking at a drip on the rear 
> end so I may be needing some work on the differential.? If we all put 
> our ?wishes? out on the forum, all could benefit.

I used to have a list on the server called autojumble, which was meant 
for parts sales.? It didn't go over that well.? I think I pulled the 
plug on that one maybe 10 years ago.? I would certainly be willing to 
revive it, see if it gets any use.

mjb.


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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Jun 25 11:32:46 2023
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 12:32:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
In-Reply-To: <0448693a-8f60-f382-358d-2afe50a632a7@bradakis.com>
References: <0448693a-8f60-f382-358d-2afe50a632a7@bradakis.com>
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This link seems to work:

http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/autojumble

On 6/25/23 08:07, Mark Bradakis wrote:
> Oops. Something just happened, and it wasn't good.? I'll get it fixed 
> soon.
>
> mjb.
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Jun 25 12:19:21 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 18:19:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] Wiper Motor (Parts, Parts... )
In-Reply-To: <68JGN7OMAKU4.RXJ3Y8TWAOS13@luweb01oc>
References: <68JGN7OMAKU4.RXJ3Y8TWAOS13@luweb01oc>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB765574364E89F1B791D95EB5CA21A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

A few years ago a guy set up a British cars and parts business nearby and I sold him everything I had ? I think he gave me $1000.  I was fine with it as (a) I wanted to support a local business, and (b) it made my barn a whole lot tidier.  But then I bought more cars:  not only is stuff accumulating again, but I am now looking for parts I know I once had !

By the way, I am converting an early TR3 (Lockheed) into a late TR3 (Girling and EFI).  I have various things listed on The Triumnph Experience.  The seats, however, are late, not the early, scalloped seats.

Andrew Uprichard

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dan Forgey
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2023 10:39 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Wiper Motor (Parts, Parts... )

Having a way to have usable TR parts avoid the scrapper would be a great benefit to keeping these things on the road.

If anyone has a TR4 wiper motor laying around I'd be interested in buying it.

Dan Forgey
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 25 13:03:28 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 14:03:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Autojumble
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From hoytduff at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 13:58:22 2023
From: hoytduff at gmail.com (Hoyt Duff)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2023 15:58:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts, parts....
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Anybody have a body tub near Southeast Virginia?

-- 
Hoyt

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jun 26 09:51:17 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:51:17 +0100
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.

 

For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident. ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing their frontiers ?

 

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 10:34:01 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 11:34:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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My fault, jonmac, and apologies!  I was going by the video titles regarding
venue, and although  I thought it was closer to you, some googling led me
to click on the address of the wrong Walton Hall!

Here's the (correct) Warwickshire one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walton_Hall,_Warwickshire

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 11:28?AM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.
>
>
>
> For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a
> polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for
> national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a
> correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is
> a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually
> located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the
> towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in
> the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don
> indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you
> should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many
> delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local
> ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to
> vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident.
> ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their
> language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing
> their frontiers ?
>
>
>
> Jonmac
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 26 10:40:34 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 16:40:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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 John.what a kind description of us scousers.?
Frank

    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 09:31:55 AM PDT, <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:  
 
 
Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.

 ?

For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident. ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing their frontiers ?

 ?

Jonmac
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Jun 26 12:05:21 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:05:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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I was waiting for a more pithy response, Frank!

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E. (Ret?d)
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
(630) 202-0065
mmarr at albiontechnical.com

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 11:41 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting

John.
what a kind description of us scousers. [Emoji] [Emoji] [Emoji] [Emoji]

Frank


On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 09:31:55 AM PDT, <johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:



Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.



For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident. ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing their frontiers ?



Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Jun 26 12:40:58 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 19:40:58 +0100
Subject: [TR] 
 =?utf-8?q?As_part_of_the_centenary_of_the_Triumph_marque=2E?=
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Message-ID: <D2B7163B-82E9-4823-AA42-2B19A1DFB12A@gmx.com>

Bill,

The car side broke away from the bicycle and motorcycle side in 1936. By 1939, the car business was in dire financial straits and effectively ceased trading in 1939 just before WW2. There are a variety of opinions on why it went bust but I think the principal reason was it strived to make too many different models. While this was encouraging for the potential buyer, the key issue was they tried to cover too many different model types and didn?t make enough of any of them to recoup the design and manufacturing costs. 
On top of that, the car factory itself in Priory Street was really quite small, in the middle of Coventry city centre and by the time Hitler?s Luftwaffe had flattened Coventry in November 1940, the real estate value of the site was pennies. That goes a long way to explaining the relatively small outlay from Standard in 1945 to acquire the Triumph name and manufacturing rights. Hope this clarifies?

Jonmac

Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb

> On 25 Jun 2023, at 04:16, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I always thought the Triumph car didn?t come about till the ?30s.  When did they split with the motorbike folks?
> Bill B
> 
> ?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills
> 
> On Jun 24, 2023, at 7:30 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As time goes by and I've gotten to see many more 1930s sports-racers at places like Goodwood, that era has really grown on me.  Especially the pre-1940 Triumphs
> 
> Here are some nice ones, along with a bunch of other S-T products at Walton Hall in Warrington, Cheshire, UK in May 2023.
> 
> https://youtu.be/tr1A8T1NfHs
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 26 16:32:04 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 22:32:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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 laughwas an out of body/out of scouse moment
i know you guys aint use to a polite scouse.
ill get you on the next email



    On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:05:25 AM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:  
 
 
I was waiting for a more pithy response, Frank!
 
 ?
 
Mike
 
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Michael J Marr, P.E. (Ret?d)
 
Albion Technical Services
 
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
 
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
 
(630) 202-0065
 
mmarr at albiontechnical.com
 
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfFrank Fisher
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 11:41 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
 
 ?
 
John.
 
what a kind description of us scousers.?
 
 ?
 
Frank
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 09:31:55 AM PDT, <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.
 
?
 
For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident. ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing their frontiers?
 
?
 
Jonmac
 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 26 17:35:36 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:35:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] 
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Jun 26 19:56:17 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 01:56:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting
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I would hope so!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 26, 2023, at 17:32, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

?
laugh
was an out of body/out of scouse moment

i know you guys aint use to a polite scouse.

ill get you on the next email




On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 11:05:25 AM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:



I was waiting for a more pithy response, Frank!



Mike



Michael J Marr, P.E. (Ret?d)

Albion Technical Services

W5918 Hackbarth Rd

Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

(630) 202-0065

mmarr at albiontechnical.com



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2023 11:41 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre 1940 Triumphs 2023 meeting



John.

what a kind description of us scousers. [Emoji] [Emoji] [Emoji] [Emoji]



Frank





On Monday, June 26, 2023 at 09:31:55 AM PDT, <johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:





Many thanks to Don Hiscock for posting the YouTube video about this event.



For those listers who might one day decide to travel to Walton Hall, a polite word of advice. The Hall is very popular with classic car clubs for national events over many summer weekends but I need to provide a correction. Not too sure where Don got the venue details but Walton Hall is a location I know well as its very close to where I live. It is actually located on the edge of the village of Wellesbourne, midway between the towns of Warwick and Stratford upon Avon in the county of Warwickshire in the middle of England. If you ignore this advice and go to the address Don indicated in Cheshire, you?ll be about 150 miles due north of where you should be. Not that the county of Cheshire is unattractive as it has many delights, but they speak a different form of English up there, the local ?diet? can be interesting and some overseas visitors have been known to vanish without trace if they strayed into ?scouser? country by accident. ?Scousers? are actually charming people but you need to learn their language, traditions and behaviour patterns in some detail before crossing their frontiers ?



Jonmac

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From jhmdds at aol.com  Tue Jun 27 08:33:18 2023
From: jhmdds at aol.com (jhmdds at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 14:33:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
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Hi All,
I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style. ?Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable. ?
Thanks for the help,
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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Tue Jun 27 16:12:43 2023
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (Tom Walling)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 18:12:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR7 question
Message-ID: <1645876161.1966.1687903963399@connect.xfinity.com>

I'm an "old hand" with the earlier TRs, having owned a TR3 and a TR6 for many years, but I now find myself in new territory with a 1979 TR7 in my garage.
 
First question (of many to come) for the list: There is a vacuum motor attached to a heat sensor to open and close a flap in the air intake to prevent carburetor icing I think. I can see that the sensor connects to the vacuum motor with a rubber hose, but where does the vacuum come from? The sensor has 2 nipples, and it probably doesn't matter which is connected to the source or the motor, but what is the source of the vacuum? It must be either the intake manifold or one of the carburetors, but where?
 
Interestingly, the Rimmer Bros. catalog shows a short piece of tubing that they think connects the 2 sensor nipples! And of course they don't stock it anyway.
 
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Tue Jun 27 18:26:53 2023
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 20:26:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
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Message-ID: <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>

One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.  The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion

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Hi All,

I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style. ?Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable. ?

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James Maddox
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 27 18:45:20 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 00:45:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
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 sweet Bobbut why would i expect anything else from you?Laugh
Frank
    On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 05:42:14 PM PDT, Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:  
 
 
One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.? The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.

 ?

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

 ?

From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion

 ?

"

Hi All,

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I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style. ?Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable. ?

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Thanks for the help,

 ?

James Maddox

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Jun 27 19:01:02 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 21:01:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Wow! Those look great! Sigh! Another project I should undertake between the bales of hay.

 

Alex Thomson

?73 TR6

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
To: jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion

 

One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.  The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.

 

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

 

From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion

 

"

Hi All,

 

I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style.  Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable.  

 

Thanks for the help,

 

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue Jun 27 20:28:02 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:28:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
Message-ID: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>

Thanks 
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 21:01:57 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2023 22:01:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAaGy14VzZJCNm8VK8yobeUUqywAQJ44K1F1fXh7UVtTg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a sheet of Masonite hardboard on which I've laid out vertical and
horizon centerlines for the headlights on my two Toyota Tacomas.  I have a
painted mark on the driveway to position the truck 25 feet from the gate,
and I lean the hardboard against the gate to check aiming when I'm running
a different load for a camping trip.  I have P-touch labels cut into
pointers for headlights and fog lights on the trucks.  The hardboard
leans against a garage wall when not in use.  Works great.

I'll be adding the TR3B's guidelines to that hardboard at some point this
summer.

with a bit of daylight still remaining.  Note the  small white labels
(barely visible) are for the main beam and fogs on one of my Tacomas.  This
is before I added the old truck to the hardboard.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-nQqJj26/0/1731822f/X5/i-nQqJj26-X5.jpg

in the dark:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CCCXDRc/0/5a39689c/X5/i-CCCXDRc-X5.jpg

I've used Daniel Stern's aiming guidance and the Toyota factory service
manuals for alignment settings.
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/aim/aim.html

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jun 27 21:26:37 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 03:26:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR7 question
In-Reply-To: <1645876161.1966.1687903963399@connect.xfinity.com>
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 This is typical of many American cars of that era as well.? There is a sensor that has two nipples as you noted.? One connects to the vacuum source and the other connects to the vacuum motor on the snorkel.? I don't know where the vacuum source is but? it might be a tee on some other vacuum line or it might be a dedicated nipple on the intake.? 

I have some spare bits from a TR7, I can have a look in the morning.
 
Dave 


 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 5:12 pm
Subject: [TR] TR7 question

   I'm an "old hand" with the earlier TRs, having owned a TR3 and a TR6 for many years, but I now find myself in new territory with a 1979 TR7 in my garage.   ?   First question (of many to come) for the list: There is a vacuum motor attached to a heat sensor to open and close a flap in the air intake to prevent carburetor icing I think. I can see that the sensor connects to the vacuum motor with a rubber hose, but where does the vacuum come from? The sensor has 2 nipples, and it probably doesn't matter which is connected to the source or the motor, but what is the source of the vacuum? It must be either the intake manifold or one of the carburetors, but where?   ?   Interestingly, the Rimmer Bros. catalog shows a short piece of tubing that they think connects the 2 sensor nipples! And of course they don't stock it anyway.   ?  ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jun 28 00:52:31 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 02:52:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <b6d5b127-1294-930f-9300-6c652a2e6d86@verizon.net>

park 25 feet from a wall, on level ground,? after dusk.? Drivers side 
headlight should be 4" below center, dead in front of the headlight.
Pass side should be 4" down and 4" to the right

ptegler


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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Jun 24 09:29:41 2023
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:29:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] [NET] Parts, parts....
In-Reply-To: <1699654995.1380901.1687577263287@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi8ByQ3NKpNFrS1+T27JyodudL1yDhGufineuB1h69evw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1699654995.1380901.1687577263287@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <A1B0055D-C1DA-4239-BF53-FF528EA464FE@mac.com>

Another potential option.  Before the pandemic I delivered a bunch of wheels to a shop down in Southern California. I had my Porsche 356 wheels re-chromed. They cut off the rim, chrome the parts then weld them back together.  My brother, who also as a 356, he had his wheels re-chromed, and at the same time had his widened from 4.5 to 5.5, so again they cut off the rim and keep the center, and weld on a new rim.  My son who had a 1962 Austin Healey Sprite, had his rims widened a lot, I don?t remember the numbers.  So my point is you could have a new rim welded on to the stock centers, and of course they made sure they were straight and true.  This was a few years ago but I still have the info if they are still in business.

Perfect Custom Wheels
16516 S Western Ave.
Gardena CA 90247
310 -819 -6752
Talk to Carol or Javier

Good luck,

Rye

> On Jun 23, 2023, at 8:27 PM, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Gene,
> I have a couple or a few dozen TR3 wheels in my possession.  They were all bent or out of round or not true.  All of them, to different degrees of severity.  I think some can be straightened or trued.  Most have become hose hangers around my ranch.  They made really nice hose hangers, patina and all.  I use old wire wheels too.  They are not worth rebuilding or repairing.  
> Cheers,
> Dave H.
>> On 06/23/2023 3:59 PM PDT David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Gene;
>>  
>> I will answer you offline.
>>  
>> Dave
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 6:15 PM <gfvermont at gmail.com <mailto:gfvermont at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> 
>> I?m new to both TR3?s and NET. In April I bought my first 3B with steel wheels and beautiful chrome hub caps with the triumph badge. Problem is that a couple of them are slightly out of round and I?m sure is the cause of the wobble I get at times. I can?t seem to locate new ones and how do I know if the used ones are any better then what I already have?
>> 
>> So  you can probably guess my next question?how are your wheels?
>> 
>> Gene Felder
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org>> On Behalf Of David Friedlander via NET
>> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 11:55 AM
>> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>
>> Subject: [NET] Parts, parts....
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Greetings all !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Just a question. Seems like we all have some level of interest here but I can't 
>> 
>> recall it coming up in conversation. Over the years, many/most of us have 
>> 
>> restored/rebuilt one or more TR's and other LBC's.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After restoring my '74 TR6 and my '59 TR2A, here's my question: What to do 
>> 
>> with the mounds of parts I have now replaced with upgraded parts? For example,
>> 
>> I have stock TR3 wheels, stock TR6 wheels, TR6 chrome rings, a stock TR6 exhaust, 
>> 
>> TR6 rubber bumpers, TR3 fenders and a spare TR3 core transmission, a red fan, a 
>> 
>> yellow fan, etc, etc. Some parts are spares I bought and never used.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Aside from putting lot-by-lot on Facebook, what suggestions does anyone have for 
>> 
>> a good way to disposition boxes of TR parts?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> Gorham, Maine
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jun 28 05:47:35 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:47:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are very accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to zero if I drove through a tunnel.

Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges with leds from West Valley.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
To: jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion

One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.  The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: jhmdds at aol.com<mailto:jhmdds at aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion

"
Hi All,

I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style.  Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable.

Thanks for the help,

James Maddox
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun 28 06:46:24 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 12:46:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>

 I seem to recall, back in the day, that the you aim the lights to maintain a horizontal low beam cut-off so as not to blind oncoming traffic.? What I would do is find a flat parking lot next to a building and park the car close to and pointing at the building.? Mark the cut-off point on the wall (masking tape or something non-permanent).? Then I back the car away a good distance (20 to 50 ft) and adjust the headlights to that cut-off point.
Back in the day, the old-school sealed beams were not very bright and a poor job of aiming wasn't a big deal.? A friend bought a late 70's Cadillac and complained about one of the head light and asked me to look at it.? I found that it was installed up-side-down and had been that was since leaving the factory.? But if you are using some high-performance lights aiming becomes more important.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 9:28 pm
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.

Thanks 
Dave Connitt

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 07:03:53 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:03:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
 <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFB5rSQ7a+cf4u0zPRDnTmQdNJm0RB5rshEfy7fpo0AnOQ@mail.gmail.com>

My TR3B recently came back from some work that involved having the front
apron and headlights off the car.  I checked the headlights.  Ugh. Not even
close.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-66jhPmK/0/2d54dc90/X5/i-66jhPmK-X5.jpg

I'm going to try H4 LEDs to reduce the load on the generator, and I'll get
the vertical alignment taken care of then.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:58?AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> I seem to recall, back in the day, that the you aim the lights to maintain
> a horizontal low beam cut-off so as not to blind oncoming traffic.  What I
> would do is find a flat parking lot next to a building and park the car
> close to and pointing at the building.  Mark the cut-off point on the wall
> (masking tape or something non-permanent).  Then I back the car away a good
> distance (20 to 50 ft) and adjust the headlights to that cut-off point.
>
> Back in the day, the old-school sealed beams were not very bright and a
> poor job of aiming wasn't a big deal.  A friend bought a late 70's Cadillac
> and complained about one of the head light and asked me to look at it.  I
> found that it was installed up-side-down and had been that was since
> leaving the factory.  But if you are using some high-performance lights
> aiming becomes more important.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 9:28 pm
> Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
>
> Thanks
> Dave Connitt
>
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 07:04:06 2023
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 09:04:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Front Fender Head Light Bucket mounting dimensions needed
Message-ID: <CADm3DLFMK9rVRjXBVM80tZ46kci_UDxG2gXQ41fe2dzY3XzTtw@mail.gmail.com>

A little background.  TR6s use rivets to hold the headlight buckets to the
fenders, TR4s use push-in clips and screws.  I plan on eliminating the
rivets and switching to the same fasteners as were used on TR4s.  The 4s
used push-in clips that reside in a square/rectangular opening.  I need the
dimensions of that square/rectangular opening.

I've already got the push-in clips and one dimension is pretty obvious.
However the other is a little harder to discern what it should be and I'd
like to do it right the first time!

If someone could measure one of your spare fenders I would greatly
appreciate it.

Thanks,

Brad
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun 28 07:29:12 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 13:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFB5rSQ7a+cf4u0zPRDnTmQdNJm0RB5rshEfy7fpo0AnOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
 <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1339254880.461319.1687958952448@mail.yahoo.com>

 Wow.? You're going to piss-off a bunch of motorists.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: dconnitt at fuse.net <dconnitt at fuse.net>; Triumphs at autox.team.net <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 28, 2023 8:03 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.

My TR3B recently came back from some work that involved having the front apron and headlights off the car.? I checked the headlights.? Ugh. Not even close.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-66jhPmK/0/2d54dc90/X5/i-66jhPmK-X5.jpg

I'm going to try H4 LEDs to reduce the load on the generator, and I'll get the vertical alignment?taken care of then.
On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:58?AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 I seem to recall, back in the day, that the you aim the lights to maintain a horizontal low beam cut-off so as not to blind oncoming traffic.? What I would do is find a flat parking lot next to a building and park the car close to and pointing at the building.? Mark the cut-off point on the wall (masking tape or something non-permanent).? Then I back the car away a good distance (20 to 50 ft) and adjust the headlights to that cut-off point.
Back in the day, the old-school sealed beams were not very bright and a poor job of aiming wasn't a big deal.? A friend bought a late 70's Cadillac and complained about one of the head light and asked me to look at it.? I found that it was installed up-side-down and had been that was since leaving the factory.? But if you are using some high-performance lights aiming becomes more important.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 9:28 pm
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.

Thanks 
Dave Connitt

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 07:39:10 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 08:39:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <1339254880.461319.1687958952448@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
 <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>
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Yeah, if I were to drive the TR in the dark!  It hasn't been out (for other
reasons) since I found out how badly aimed the headlights were. :)

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 8:29?AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Wow.  You're going to piss-off a bunch of motorists.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: dconnitt at fuse.net <dconnitt at fuse.net>; Triumphs at autox.team.net <
> Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 28, 2023 8:03 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
>
> My TR3B recently came back from some work that involved having the front
> apron and headlights off the car.  I checked the headlights.  Ugh. Not even
> close.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-66jhPmK/0/2d54dc90/X5/i-66jhPmK-X5.jpg
>
> I'm going to try H4 LEDs to reduce the load on the generator, and I'll get
> the vertical alignment taken care of then.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:58?AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> I seem to recall, back in the day, that the you aim the lights to maintain
> a horizontal low beam cut-off so as not to blind oncoming traffic.  What I
> would do is find a flat parking lot next to a building and park the car
> close to and pointing at the building.  Mark the cut-off point on the wall
> (masking tape or something non-permanent).  Then I back the car away a good
> distance (20 to 50 ft) and adjust the headlights to that cut-off point.
>
> Back in the day, the old-school sealed beams were not very bright and a
> poor job of aiming wasn't a big deal.  A friend bought a late 70's Cadillac
> and complained about one of the head light and asked me to look at it.  I
> found that it was installed up-side-down and had been that was since
> leaving the factory.  But if you are using some high-performance lights
> aiming becomes more important.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 9:28 pm
> Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
>
> Thanks
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 07:42:52 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 06:42:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
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On 6/28/23 4:47 AM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
>
> I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are 
> very accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to 
> zero if I drove through a tunnel.
>
I have a VDO GPS speedometer in my 1960 Land Rover. How well it works 
depends on how much of the sky the sender can see. And yes, a road lined 
by tall trees with narrows the sensor's view of the sky keeps it from 
working unless there is a satellite in the open space. I didn't want to 
drill a hole in my roof or compromise door/windscreen seals so mounted 
mine on the windscreen in front of the rear view mirror. So a satellite 
needs to be in front of me for the GPS to work. How well a GPS speedo 
works is determined by how much sky it can see. My mounting it inside on 
the windscreen I severely limited what my sensor can see.

On the other hand, the GPS has allowed me to determine speed by watching 
the tach, so when my GPS cannot see a sat, I look at the tach to 
determine my speed.

TeriAnn

> Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges 
> with leds from West Valley.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob 
> Danielson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
> *To:* jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
>
> One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the 
> conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. 
> I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only 
> converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.? 
> The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden 
> under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS 
> and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is 
> there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear 
> end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
> *From: *jhmdds at aol.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *[TR] Speedo Conversion
>
> "
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my 
> '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style. 
> ?Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from 
> the transmission to the speedo cable.
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
> James Maddox
>
> ")
>
>
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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 09:01:34 2023
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 10:01:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Front Fender Head Light Bucket mounting dimensions
 needed
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLFMK9rVRjXBVM80tZ46kci_UDxG2gXQ41fe2dzY3XzTtw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADm3DLFMK9rVRjXBVM80tZ46kci_UDxG2gXQ41fe2dzY3XzTtw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOp9YTJMP=dporFTo4h9oAzECT0X_y5ZUZUS4Bw-uevAxOy9hw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Brad - they are square, and I measured one on a replacement panel I have
on my shelf (purchased from TRF about 10 years ago) at 13/32nds.

Hope this helps,
Mike

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 9:27 AM Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> A little background.  TR6s use rivets to hold the headlight buckets to the
> fenders, TR4s use push-in clips and screws.  I plan on eliminating the
> rivets and switching to the same fasteners as were used on TR4s.  The 4s
> used push-in clips that reside in a square/rectangular opening.  I need the
> dimensions of that square/rectangular opening.
>
> I've already got the push-in clips and one dimension is pretty obvious.
> However the other is a little harder to discern what it should be and I'd
> like to do it right the first time!
>
> If someone could measure one of your spare fenders I would greatly
> appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brad
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 09:08:32 2023
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 11:08:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Front Fender Head Light Bucket mounting dimensions
 needed
In-Reply-To: <CAOp9YTJMP=dporFTo4h9oAzECT0X_y5ZUZUS4Bw-uevAxOy9hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADm3DLFMK9rVRjXBVM80tZ46kci_UDxG2gXQ41fe2dzY3XzTtw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADm3DLE4C0uTtzOuTbVB+GqwitecgjKeGAXM4OkO6+x3cZ9LhA@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, thanks for the dimension!

I guess I might be making holes this weekend.

Brad


On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 11:01?AM Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Brad - they are square, and I measured one on a replacement panel I
> have on my shelf (purchased from TRF about 10 years ago) at 13/32nds.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Mike
>
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Jun 28 12:10:03 2023
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 14:10:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <a1dc4ab0-f109-0c7e-3509-c426f8e9f83e@gmail.com>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <a1dc4ab0-f109-0c7e-3509-c426f8e9f83e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0M3QuM-1px2lQ1LA8-00r1Bb@mrelay.perfora.net>

I?ve heard the GPS tunnel argument before and I have to chuckle every time?? How often do you drive through a tunnel? I can safely say the TR6 has never been in a tunnel in my  26 years of ownership?..oops? I take that back? it has gone though the tunnel in New Haven that?s about ? mile and we survived. . Why do you need the speedo in a tunnel? You usually can only go as fast as the guy in front of you and tunnel speeds typically drop about 10 mph as soon as folks get in one. I?m surprised you don?t know your speed by looking at your tach. If you do go through a tunnel, how long is it? 2 or 3 miles perhaps. You can?t live without your speedo for 3 miles? And again I say? look at your tach. Let?s face it, the tunnel argument is weak at best.  

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:52 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion

On 6/28/23 4:47 AM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are very accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to zero if I drove through a tunnel.
I have a VDO GPS speedometer in my 1960 Land Rover. How well it works depends on how much of the sky the sender can see. And yes, a road lined by tall trees with narrows the sensor's view of the sky keeps it from working unless there is a satellite in the open space. I didn't want to drill a hole in my roof or compromise door/windscreen seals so mounted mine on the windscreen in front of the rear view mirror. So a satellite needs to be in front of me for the GPS to work. How well a GPS speedo works is determined by how much sky it can see. My mounting it inside on the windscreen I severely limited what my sensor can see.
On the other hand, the GPS has allowed me to determine speed by watching the tach, so when my GPS cannot see a sat, I look at the tach to determine my speed.
TeriAnn
?
Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges with leds from West Valley.
?
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
To: jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
?
One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.? The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.
?
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
?
From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
?
"
Hi All,
?
I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style. ?Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable. ?
?
Thanks for the help,
?
James Maddox
")
?


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 13:11:19 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 14:11:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFB5rSQ7a+cf4u0zPRDnTmQdNJm0RB5rshEfy7fpo0AnOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
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I looked on Bob Danielson's site at all the modern improvements he has made
to his TR6, was surprised I didn't find a self leveling headlight
conversion page ?.

Maybe it is in the works...

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 8:44 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> My TR3B recently came back from some work that involved having the front
> apron and headlights off the car.  I checked the headlights.  Ugh. Not even
> close.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-66jhPmK/0/2d54dc90/X5/i-66jhPmK-X5.jpg
>
> I'm going to try H4 LEDs to reduce the load on the generator, and I'll get
> the vertical alignment taken care of then.
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 7:58?AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
>> I seem to recall, back in the day, that the you aim the lights to
>> maintain a horizontal low beam cut-off so as not to blind oncoming
>> traffic.  What I would do is find a flat parking lot next to a building and
>> park the car close to and pointing at the building.  Mark the cut-off point
>> on the wall (masking tape or something non-permanent).  Then I back the car
>> away a good distance (20 to 50 ft) and adjust the headlights to that
>> cut-off point.
>>
>> Back in the day, the old-school sealed beams were not very bright and a
>> poor job of aiming wasn't a big deal.  A friend bought a late 70's Cadillac
>> and complained about one of the head light and asked me to look at it.  I
>> found that it was installed up-side-down and had been that was since
>> leaving the factory.  But if you are using some high-performance lights
>> aiming becomes more important.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
>> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Jun 27, 2023 9:28 pm
>> Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dave Connitt
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 13:22:24 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 15:22:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings everyone ~

Opinion time:

Subject: Oil pan gaskets.

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99
while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?

Dave
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 16:53:50 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 17:53:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <0M3QuM-1px2lQ1LA8-00r1Bb@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <0M3QuM-1px2lQ1LA8-00r1Bb@mrelay.perfora.net>
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"How often do you drive through a tunnel?" ...

Really depends on where one lives.  I visited friends last month in the
south of France, one of whom lost his driving privileges for six months
after being caught speeding in one of the several tunnels between Monaco
and ?ze...

That's not a risk here in Saint Louis, though!  :)

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:30?PM Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org>
wrote:

> I?ve heard the GPS tunnel argument before and I have to chuckle every
> time?? How often do you drive through a tunnel? I can safely say the TR6
> has never been in a tunnel in my  26 years of ownership?..oops? I take that
> back? it has gone though the tunnel in New Haven that?s about ? mile and we
> survived. . Why do you need the speedo in a tunnel? You usually can only go
> as fast as the guy in front of you and tunnel speeds typically drop about
> 10 mph as soon as folks get in one. I?m surprised you don?t know your speed
> by looking at your tach. If you do go through a tunnel, how long is it? 2
> or 3 miles perhaps. You can?t live without your speedo for 3 miles? And
> again I say? look at your tach. Let?s face it, the tunnel argument is weak
> at best.
>
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
>
>
> *From: *TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> On 6/28/23 4:47 AM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
>
> I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are very
> accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to zero if I
> drove through a tunnel.
>
> I have a VDO GPS speedometer in my 1960 Land Rover. How well it works
> depends on how much of the sky the sender can see. And yes, a road lined by
> tall trees with narrows the sensor's view of the sky keeps it from working
> unless there is a satellite in the open space. I didn't want to drill a
> hole in my roof or compromise door/windscreen seals so mounted mine on the
> windscreen in front of the rear view mirror. So a satellite needs to be in
> front of me for the GPS to work. How well a GPS speedo works is determined
> by how much sky it can see. My mounting it inside on the windscreen I
> severely limited what my sensor can see.
>
> On the other hand, the GPS has allowed me to determine speed by watching
> the tach, so when my GPS cannot see a sat, I look at the tach to determine
> my speed.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
>
> Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges with
> leds from West Valley.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>
> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob Danielson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
> *To:* jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion
> of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both
> stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he
> had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.  The speedo now has GPS
> innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve
> tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on
> perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable
> and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just
> tracks you in real time.
>
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
>
>
> *From: *jhmdds at aol.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *[TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> "
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75
> TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style.
> Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the
> transmission to the speedo cable.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
>
>
> James Maddox
>
> ")
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 18:17:02 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 20:17:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <0M3QuM-1px2lQ1LA8-00r1Bb@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <a1dc4ab0-f109-0c7e-3509-c426f8e9f83e@gmail.com>
 <0M3QuM-1px2lQ1LA8-00r1Bb@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwigdAMb1L5P_72-Q5rkSd7TCoZmKEBdhWTwVDciKTGBhw@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps not, Bob. But the tall trees bordering a narrow road scenario is
far more common. TerriAnn makes a valid point..

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:24 PM Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org>
wrote:

> I?ve heard the GPS tunnel argument before and I have to chuckle every
> time?? How often do you drive through a tunnel? I can safely say the TR6
> has never been in a tunnel in my  26 years of ownership?..oops? I take that
> back? it has gone though the tunnel in New Haven that?s about ? mile and we
> survived. . Why do you need the speedo in a tunnel? You usually can only go
> as fast as the guy in front of you and tunnel speeds typically drop about
> 10 mph as soon as folks get in one. I?m surprised you don?t know your speed
> by looking at your tach. If you do go through a tunnel, how long is it? 2
> or 3 miles perhaps. You can?t live without your speedo for 3 miles? And
> again I say? look at your tach. Let?s face it, the tunnel argument is weak
> at best.
>
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
>
>
> *From: *TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> On 6/28/23 4:47 AM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
>
> I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are very
> accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to zero if I
> drove through a tunnel.
>
> I have a VDO GPS speedometer in my 1960 Land Rover. How well it works
> depends on how much of the sky the sender can see. And yes, a road lined by
> tall trees with narrows the sensor's view of the sky keeps it from working
> unless there is a satellite in the open space. I didn't want to drill a
> hole in my roof or compromise door/windscreen seals so mounted mine on the
> windscreen in front of the rear view mirror. So a satellite needs to be in
> front of me for the GPS to work. How well a GPS speedo works is determined
> by how much sky it can see. My mounting it inside on the windscreen I
> severely limited what my sensor can see.
>
> On the other hand, the GPS has allowed me to determine speed by watching
> the tach, so when my GPS cannot see a sat, I look at the tach to determine
> my speed.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
>
> Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges with
> leds from West Valley.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>
> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bob Danielson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
> *To:* jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion
> of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both
> stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he
> had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.  The speedo now has GPS
> innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve
> tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on
> perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable
> and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just
> tracks you in real time.
>
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
>
>
> *From: *jhmdds at aol.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *[TR] Speedo Conversion
>
>
>
> "
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75
> TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style.
> Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the
> transmission to the speedo cable.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the help,
>
>
>
> James Maddox
>
> ")
>
>
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
>
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>
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>
>
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> Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write
>
> *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one*
>
>
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>
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From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 19:15:21 2023
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 21:15:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR7 Question
Message-ID: <CADy_YYqZtKpLnS112S7LpvugP7WL172Gd6jMEni23AMbQyeK1w@mail.gmail.com>

Tom, my '80 TR7 is about 10' in the air now, so I can't readily get to it
to look, but my vacuum lines to and from that air intake switch are
properly connected.  If nobody comes up with the answer soon, shoot me an
email and I'll get back to you when I bring it down which should be within
the next two weeks.
You didn't mention if the wide flexible pipe from the exhaust manifold to
the air intake box is connected. Make sure that pipe is connected also.

Bill Smith
'80 TR7
'72 TR6
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 19:21:29 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 18:21:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Looking for an easy way to aim the headlights on my TR4A.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBxWQAkp+uL_Q6wdS-26+n15cL2i3UrdefWrsXHG0LCtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC78465E-72DD-4D32-ABBA-207DE184A988@fuse.net>
 <1955324446.6294624.1687956384348@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAPK7CFB5rSQ7a+cf4u0zPRDnTmQdNJm0RB5rshEfy7fpo0AnOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1339254880.461319.1687958952448@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <4230789c-e1e6-b06d-ea43-480865881f83@gmail.com>

I just wait for night, find a car parked on a level street, park about 
20 feet behind it and adjust low beams so the top of the cone is just a 
little below the back window. So you won't be blinding the person in 
front of you by shining your lights at the rear view mirror. The right 
side should shine a little to the right enough so you can see 
pedestrians. The left should be pointed directly forward to minimize 
light blinding oncoming cars.

TeriAnn


From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Jun 28 20:34:12 2023
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:34:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwigdAMb1L5P_72-Q5rkSd7TCoZmKEBdhWTwVDciKTGBhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1202597596.349225.1687876398812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1202597596.349225.1687876398812@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1MnqT8-1pgpl61oOg-00pPHJ@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <DS7PR07MB7655022EA0435D57E9299FF3CA24A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <0M87rr-1psmou0h0b-00vgNu@mrelay.perfora.net>

Got to disagree?. I?ve got about 10 years of real world driving with a GPS speedo?. Can anyone top that? And I?ve never had it cut out for any reason that was noticeable?.. and even if it did due to trees or hills or valleys?. So what? would it really affect how I was driving or how you drive? Am I suddenly a crazy driver because my speedo doesn?t work?? Like all of you I check my gauges regularly,,, but only the small gauges?. Oil pressure, water temp, Voltage? even gas?. But I don?t check the speedo or tach that often?.. I settle in to a speed based on traffic AND sound?. And along the road I go. ? actually a pretty silly discussion unless someone with a GPS speedo decides to jump in and prove me wrong?. If you don?t have one, don?t bother to respond as you?re dealing with speculation?Just sayin?

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: David Friedlander
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:17 PM
To: Bob Danielson
Cc: TeriAnn J. Wakeman; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion

Perhaps not, Bob. But the tall trees bordering a narrow road scenario is far more common. TerriAnn makes a valid point..

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:24 PM Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:
I?ve heard the GPS tunnel argument before and I have to chuckle every time?? How often do you drive through a tunnel? I can safely say the TR6 has never been in a tunnel in my? 26 years of ownership?..oops? I take that back? it has gone though the tunnel in New Haven that?s about ? mile and we survived. . Why do you need the speedo in a tunnel? You usually can only go as fast as the guy in front of you and tunnel speeds typically drop about 10 mph as soon as folks get in one. I?m surprised you don?t know your speed by looking at your tach. If you do go through a tunnel, how long is it? 2 or 3 miles perhaps. You can?t live without your speedo for 3 miles? And again I say? look at your tach. Let?s face it, the tunnel argument is weak at best. ?
?
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
?
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 12:52 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
?
On 6/28/23 4:47 AM, auprichard uprichard.net wrote:
I have toyed wit the idea of a GPS conversion ? as you say, they are very accurate ? but I didn?t like the idea of the speedo dropping to zero if I drove through a tunnel.
I have a VDO GPS speedometer in my 1960 Land Rover. How well it works depends on how much of the sky the sender can see. And yes, a road lined by tall trees with narrows the sensor's view of the sky keeps it from working unless there is a satellite in the open space. I didn't want to drill a hole in my roof or compromise door/windscreen seals so mounted mine on the windscreen in front of the rear view mirror. So a satellite needs to be in front of me for the GPS to work. How well a GPS speedo works is determined by how much sky it can see. My mounting it inside on the windscreen I severely limited what my sensor can see.
On the other hand, the GPS has allowed me to determine speed by watching the tach, so when my GPS cannot see a sat, I look at the tach to determine my speed.
TeriAnn
?
Your gauges look great ? I have just ordered a set of magnolia gauges with leds from West Valley.
?
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 8:27 PM
To: jhmdds at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo Conversion
?
One of the projects I never documented on my web site was the conversion of my tach to electronic and my speedo to GPS back in 2013. I sent both stock gauges to Morris at West Valley and he not only converted them but he had his ?artist? repaint the faces Magnolia.? The speedo now has GPS innards, a power lead and an antenna (hidden under the ashtray). I?ve tracked the speed against both my Garmin GPS and Waze and it?s spot on perfect. The beauty of a GPS speedo is there?s no need for a tranny cable and it doesn?t care about the rear end ratio or your tire size?.. it just tracks you in real time.
?
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
?
From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 10:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo Conversion
?
"
Hi All,
?
I'm looking for recommendations for converting the speedometer on my '75 TR6 with the Toyota 5 speed transmission to an electronic style.? Alternatively I'm looking for a 90 degree drive angle connector from the transmission to the speedo cable. ?
?
Thanks for the help,
?
James Maddox
")
?

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 28 21:02:58 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:02:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>
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IIRC the Payen is a bit thicker, nice to be able to take up the inherent irregularities of the oil pan.   Still, quite a bit higher than stock. 
Bill B
TS30800L

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jun 28, 2023, at 6:35 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Greetings everyone ~

Opinion time:

Subject: Oil pan gaskets.

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 
while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?

Dave
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jun 29 14:49:03 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:49:03 +0100
Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss
Message-ID: <CB262166-4FEA-485C-B278-FB510183075C@gmx.com>

In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity?
 Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
Then the box spoke to me. 
I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see?
Long silence.
?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here??
?I don?t. Enlighten me?.
Another long silence.
When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see??
It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside  a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place.

Jonmac

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jun 29 15:39:18 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:39:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss
In-Reply-To: <CB262166-4FEA-485C-B278-FB510183075C@gmx.com>
References: <CB262166-4FEA-485C-B278-FB510183075C@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d9aad2$28c14870$7a43d950$@charter.net>

Wow! What a fantastic story! Just another example of what technology has done to us!

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:49 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss

In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity?
 Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
Then the box spoke to me. 
I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see?
Long silence.
?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here??
?I don?t. Enlighten me?.
Another long silence.
When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see??
It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside  a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place.

Jonmac
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Jun 29 16:26:36 2023
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
Message-ID: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595@myemail.cox.net>

I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.

We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back.

Reasonable fee is offered for the service. 

If able and interested, please contact me at

jpaynepbr at cox.net mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net

702.882.6711

I will make introductions

Thank you

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 29 17:59:00 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
In-Reply-To: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595@myemail.cox.net>
References: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <1924355504.342812.1688083140068@mail.yahoo.com>

 Jonas?have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?


    On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:  
 
   
I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.

 
We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 

 
Reasonable fee is offered for the service.? 

 
If able and interested, please contact me at 

 
jpaynepbr at cox.net

 
702.882.6711

 
I will make introductions 

 
Thank you

 
Jonas Payne

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From jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com  Thu Jun 29 18:49:36 2023
From: jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
In-Reply-To: <1924355504.342812.1688083140068@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595@myemail.cox.net>
 <1924355504.342812.1688083140068@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR18MB28978C2A422EF1457B28836B8E2AA@BN8PR18MB2897.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

I contacted 3 of their board members via email.

Presumably they will notify their membership?

That?s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV.

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services
2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490
Henderson, NV 89074
702.882.6711

From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net
Cc: architect1 at att.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA

Jonas
have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?



On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>> wrote:



I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.

We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back.

Reasonable fee is offered for the service.

If able and interested, please contact me at

jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>

702.882.6711

I will make introductions

Thank you

Jonas Payne
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From mbarre at juno.com  Fri Jun 30 09:08:48 2023
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:08:48 GMT
Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
Message-ID: <20230630.110848.7651.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

With all this talk of selling cars and divesting spares it is good to see someone still growing their fleet!  Good luck with the acquisition Jonas.  

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000


I contacted 3 of their board members via email. 
 
Presumably they will notify their membership? 
 
That&rsquo;s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV. 
 
Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services
2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490
Henderson, NV 89074
702.882.6711
 
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM
 To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net
 Cc: architect1 at att.net
 Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
 
Jonas 
have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?
 
 
 
On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote: 
 
 
I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.
We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 
Reasonable fee is offered for the service.  
If able and interested, please contact me at 
jpaynepbr at cox.net
702.882.6711
I will make introductions 
Thank you
Jonas Payne
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From blang at mit.edu  Wed Jun 28 16:40:13 2023
From: blang at mit.edu (Robert M Lang)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:40:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <LV2PR01MB7646E07408462D5EA02C87B3B624A@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>

As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two  holes were not the correct diameter.

That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin...

Good luck!

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Bob Lang
                          Cell: 339-927-4489
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________________________________
From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket

Greetings everyone ~

Opinion time:

Subject: Oil pan gaskets.

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99
while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?

Dave
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Jun 28 17:14:59 2023
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:14:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
In-Reply-To: <LV2PR01MB7646E07408462D5EA02C87B3B624A@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <LV2PR01MB7646E07408462D5EA02C87B3B624A@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <B3CDA447-F613-4EDB-82C4-19849B9CCE0B@aol.com>

I buy the cheaper gaskets and use Ultra Black RTV. They do NOT leak that way and the thick gasket allows for relatively easy removal (race EMG in a come apart a lot).
Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2023, at 6:41 PM, Robert M Lang via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two  holes were not the correct diameter.
> 
> That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin...
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang             
>                           Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
>  
> Greetings everyone ~
> 
> Opinion time:
> 
> Subject: Oil pan gaskets.
> 
> Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 
> while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
> that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?
> 
> Dave
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jun 30 09:16:05 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:16:05 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023
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Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson   1939 - 2023
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:53:44 -0400
From: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Reply-To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
To: fot at autox.team.net

The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
Jackson had died.

I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he 
took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His 
guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from 
neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you 
followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If 
it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK 
who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes 
the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his 
formula on every gearbox I build.

As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still 
think is this clean, or is it JK clean...

RIP, my friend.

Henry Frye


From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 30 12:14:51 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:14:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
In-Reply-To: <LV2PR01MB7646E07408462D5EA02C87B3B624A@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <LV2PR01MB7646E07408462D5EA02C87B3B624A@LV2PR01MB7646.prod.exchangelabs.com>
Message-ID: <1880433334.526085.1688148891885@mail.yahoo.com>

 i have seen a couple of gaskets recently where one was cork about 1/16" thick the other being not much more than writing paper.i dont recall if it was my pan gasket.maybe thats the difference in these parts.


    On Friday, June 30, 2023 at 09:35:43 AM PDT, Robert M Lang <blang at mit.edu> wrote:  
 
 As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two? holes were not the correct diameter.
That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin...
Good luck!

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Bob Lang???????????? 
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Cell: 339-927-4489
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From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket?Greetings everyone ~
Opinion time:
Subject: Oil pan gaskets.

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99?while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?
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From coefront at shaw.ca  Fri Jun 30 15:39:17 2023
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Mike Coe)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:39:17 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 112
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Hi: 

I have yo sell my TR8 that I've owned here in Calgary. Alberta. since 2006. Any idea what TR8 fetch price wise? Its in excellent condition, shape drive and mileage. 

Cheers 
Mike Coe 





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Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 12:00:04 PM 
Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 112 

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Today's Topics: 

1. Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss (John Macartney) 
2. Re: Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss (Alex & Janet Thomson) 
3. Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 
(jpaynepbr at cox.net) 
4. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 
(Frank Fisher) 
5. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 
(Jonas Payne) 
6. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA (Matt) 
7. Re: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket (Robert M Lang) 
8. Re: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket (Philip Gott) 
9. Fwd: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023 (Mark Bradakis) 


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Message: 1 
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:49:03 +0100 
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss 
Message-ID: <CB262166-4FEA-485C-B278-FB510183075C at gmx.com> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 

In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity? 
Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
Then the box spoke to me. 
I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see? 
Long silence. 
?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here?? 
?I don?t. Enlighten me?. 
Another long silence. 
When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see?? 
It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place. 

Jonmac 


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Message: 2 
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:39:18 -0400 
From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net> 
To: "'John Macartney'" <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>, 
<triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss 
Message-ID: <001f01d9aad2$28c14870$7a43d950$@charter.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

Wow! What a fantastic story! Just another example of what technology has done to us! 

Alex Thomson 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:49 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss 

In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity? 
Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
Then the box spoke to me. 
I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see? 
Long silence. 
?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here?? 
?I don?t. Enlighten me?. 
Another long silence. 
When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see?? 
It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place. 

Jonmac 
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Message: 3 
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT) 
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Cc: architect1 at att.net 
Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 
Message-ID: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595 at myemail.cox.net> 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 

I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA. 

We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 

Reasonable fee is offered for the service. 

If able and interested, please contact me at 

jpaynepbr at cox.net mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net 

702.882.6711 

I will make introductions 

Thank you 

Jonas Payne 
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Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC) 
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, 
"jpaynepbr at cox.net" <jpaynepbr at cox.net> 
Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park 
CA 
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Jonas?have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page? 


On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote: 


I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA. 


We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 


Reasonable fee is offered for the service.? 


If able and interested, please contact me at 


jpaynepbr at cox.net 


702.882.6711 


I will make introductions 


Thank you 


Jonas Payne 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000 
From: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com> 
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" 
<triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park 
CA 
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I contacted 3 of their board members via email. 

Presumably they will notify their membership? 

That?s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV. 

Jonas Payne 
PBR Consulting Services 
2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490 
Henderson, NV 89074 
702.882.6711 

From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net 
Cc: architect1 at att.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 

Jonas 
have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page? 



On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>> wrote: 



I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA. 

We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 

Reasonable fee is offered for the service. 

If able and interested, please contact me at 

jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net> 

702.882.6711 

I will make introductions 

Thank you 

Jonas Payne 
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Message: 6 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:08:48 GMT 
From: "Matt" <mbarre at juno.com> 
To: jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com 
Cc: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com, triumphs at autox.team.net, architect1 at att.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park 
CA 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" 

With all this talk of selling cars and divesting spares it is good to see someone still growing their fleet! Good luck with the acquisition Jonas. 

---------- Original Message ---------- 
From: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com> 
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000 


I contacted 3 of their board members via email. 

Presumably they will notify their membership? 

That&rsquo;s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV. 

Jonas Payne 
PBR Consulting Services 
2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490 
Henderson, NV 89074 
702.882.6711 

From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net 
Cc: architect1 at att.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA 

Jonas 
have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page? 



On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote: 


I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA. 
We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 
Reasonable fee is offered for the service. 
If able and interested, please contact me at 
jpaynepbr at cox.net 
702.882.6711 
I will make introductions 
Thank you 
Jonas Payne 
** triumphs at autox.team.net ** 

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Message: 7 
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:40:13 +0000 
From: Robert M Lang <blang at mit.edu> 
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs 
<net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket 
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As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two holes were not the correct diameter. 

That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin... 

Good luck! 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
Bob Lang 
Cell: 339-927-4489 
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________________________________ 
From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM 
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> 
Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket 

Greetings everyone ~ 

Opinion time: 

Subject: Oil pan gaskets. 

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 
while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3 
that much better?? Worth the $$ difference? 

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Message: 8 
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:14:59 -0400 
From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com> 
To: Robert M Lang <blang at mit.edu> 
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs 
<net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket 
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I buy the cheaper gaskets and use Ultra Black RTV. They do NOT leak that way and the thick gasket allows for relatively easy removal (race EMG in a come apart a lot). 
Phil 

Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 28, 2023, at 6:41 PM, Robert M Lang via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote: 
> 
> ? 
> As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two holes were not the correct diameter. 
> 
> That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin... 
> 
> Good luck! 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> Bob Lang 
> Cell: 339-927-4489 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> 
> From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM 
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> 
> Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket 
> 
> Greetings everyone ~ 
> 
> Opinion time: 
> 
> Subject: Oil pan gaskets. 
> 
> Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 
> while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3 
> that much better?? Worth the $$ difference? 
> 
> Dave 
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Message: 9 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:16:05 -0600 
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023 
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Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:53:44 -0400 
From: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> 
Reply-To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com> 
To: fot at autox.team.net 

The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
Jackson had died. 

I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he 
took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His 
guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from 
neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you 
followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If 
it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK 
who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes 
the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his 
formula on every gearbox I build. 

As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still 
think is this clean, or is it JK clean... 

RIP, my friend. 

Henry Frye 



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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Fri Jun 30 16:43:46 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 16:43:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
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References: <CAJ1eQwgb-ceBaapqgmg6pekA7yzWM8rTo89Kg6mPnx0HdoY5cg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000001d9aba4$57a90060$06fb0120$@triumphstagclub.org>

I am curious why Gasket Innovations is not in this discussion?  

 

A.R.E. Joe Alexander and the Alexander Racing Enterprises team have a wide range of silicone
reusable gaskets for many Triumphs, and IIRC, they were working on oil pan gaskets some time back.

 

Send them a note or call  https://gasketinnovations.com/contacts/

 

Glenn Merrell, CAP

StagByTriumph Garage

aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (on FaceBook)

Remember, "the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on
the windscreen . with the occasional smell of manure!"

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert M Lang
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:40 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>; David
Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket

 

As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to
TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see
this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no
choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket
ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two
holes were not the correct diameter.

 

That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as
a spare or in the bin...

 

Good luck!

 

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Lang             

                          Cell: 339-927-4489
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  _____  

From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> > on
behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; New England Triumphs
<net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org> >
Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket 

 

Greetings everyone ~

 

Opinion time:

 

Subject: Oil pan gaskets.

Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 

while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3

that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?

 

Dave

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From ryel at mac.com  Fri Jun 30 19:45:21 2023
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 18:45:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 112
In-Reply-To: <244438703.32368635.1688161157565.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
References: <mailman.7.1688148004.7745.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <244438703.32368635.1688161157565.JavaMail.zimbra@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <06FE043A-8565-40F5-9A9E-1EE37A34A296@mac.com>

Go to BrightaTrailer.com <http://brightatrailer.com/> and do a search for TR8s. You can click on past auctions and see what they sold for, and read the details to see what condition they were in to get the price they sold for.

I did the search and here is the link: https://bringatrailer.com/search/?s=Triumph+TR8 <https://bringatrailer.com/search/?s=Triumph+TR8>  There are listings of past auctions going back to 2017.  Lots of info.

Good luck,

Rye




> On Jun 30, 2023, at 2:39 PM, Mike Coe <coefront at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I have yo sell my TR8 that I've owned here in Calgary. Alberta. since 2006. Any idea what TR8 fetch price wise? Its in excellent condition, shape drive and mileage.
> 
> Cheers
> Mike Coe
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Today's Topics:
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>    1. Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss (John Macartney)
>    2. Re: Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss (Alex & Janet Thomson)
>    3. Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
>       (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
>    4. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
>       (Frank Fisher)
>    5. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
>       (Jonas Payne)
>    6. Re: Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA (Matt)
>    7. Re: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket (Robert M Lang)
>    8. Re: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket (Philip Gott)
>    9. Fwd: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023 (Mark Bradakis)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 21:49:03 +0100
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss
> Message-ID: <CB262166-4FEA-485C-B278-FB510183075C at gmx.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset=utf-8
> 
> In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity?
>  Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
> Then the box spoke to me. 
> I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see?
> Long silence.
> ?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here??
> ?I don?t. Enlighten me?.
> Another long silence.
> When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see??
> It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside  a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 17:39:18 -0400
> From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>
> To: "'John Macartney'" <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>,
>         <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss
> Message-ID: <001f01d9aad2$28c14870$7a43d950$@charter.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;        charset="utf-8"
> 
> Wow! What a fantastic story! Just another example of what technology has done to us!
> 
> Alex Thomson
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:49 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Speedo conversion and GPS signal loss
> 
> In 2009, I was somewhere in Iowa. Large town, might have been Des Moines but my TomTom gps thing lost all satellite signals - probably because of very high buildings in the immediate vicinity?
>  Anyway, when the signal returned, I was given the instruction to take the very next right turn, which I did. The turn itself was through a gap in a wall and then on to a very neat and narrow blacktopped road, surrounded by immaculate lawns and two cars in front of me who were both halted. The cars then went elsewhere, one by one, and the blue Stag and I were brought to a halt by a sign saying STOP HERE alongside a box on post. 
> Then the box spoke to me. 
> I couldn?t understand what the woman on the other end was saying, and she couldn?t understand me, so everything started off swimmingly. The voice in the box insisted on knowing who I had come to see and simply couldn?t get her head round the fact I knew no one at this location and I was only there because of a GPS malfunction. The whole process was like pulling teeth and the woman continually asking who I had come to see. Perhaps both tempers were getting frayed until I asked her why she kept asking who it was I had come to see?
> Long silence.
> ?As you?re here sir, you must know what happens here??
> ?I don?t. Enlighten me?.
> Another long silence.
> When she replied, she seemed utterly amazed I had never heard of the Seven Steps to Heaven drive thru funeral home (or whatever it called itself) ?now who do you want to see??
> It seemed the only way out required me to pass someone, so I paused very briefly alongside  a Mrs Jones - but I?m sure that the concept of drive thru funeral homes were later copied by others such as McDonalds and Starbucks and that?s why I refuse to patronise either, unless I walk into them - providing I?ve found a parking place.
> 
> Jonmac
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 18:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
> From: jpaynepbr at cox.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Cc: architect1 at att.net
> Subject: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
> Message-ID: <1353621749.792850.1688077596595 at myemail.cox.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.
> 
> We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back.
> 
> Reasonable fee is offered for the service. 
> 
> If able and interested, please contact me at
> 
> jpaynepbr at cox.net mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net
> 
> 702.882.6711
> 
> I will make introductions
> 
> Thank you
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>,
>         "jpaynepbr at cox.net" <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park
>         CA
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>  Jonas?have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?
> 
> 
>     On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:  
>  
>    
> I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.
> 
>  
> We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 
> 
>  
> Reasonable fee is offered for the service.? 
> 
>  
> If able and interested, please contact me at 
> 
>  
> jpaynepbr at cox.net
> 
>  
> 702.882.6711
> 
>  
> I will make introductions 
> 
>  
> Thank you
> 
>  
> Jonas Payne
> 
>  ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000
> From: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
> To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>         <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park
>         CA
> Message-ID:
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> I contacted 3 of their board members via email.
> 
> Presumably they will notify their membership?
> 
> That?s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV.
> 
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting Services
> 2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490
> Henderson, NV 89074
> 702.882.6711
> 
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net
> Cc: architect1 at att.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
> 
> Jonas
> have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.
> 
> We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back.
> 
> Reasonable fee is offered for the service.
> 
> If able and interested, please contact me at
> 
> jpaynepbr at cox.net<mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> 
> 702.882.6711
> 
> I will make introductions
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Jonas Payne
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> **
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 15:08:48 GMT
> From: "Matt" <mbarre at juno.com>
> To: jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com
> Cc: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com,         triumphs at autox.team.net,         architect1 at att.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park
>         CA
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> With all this talk of selling cars and divesting spares it is good to see someone still growing their fleet!  Good luck with the acquisition Jonas.  
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
> To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Cc: "architect1 at att.net" <architect1 at att.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 00:49:36 +0000
> 
> 
> I contacted 3 of their board members via email. 
>  
> Presumably they will notify their membership? 
>  
> That&rsquo;s how we handle those sorts of inquiries in the BACLV. 
>  
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting Services
> 2260 Corporate Circle Suite 490
> Henderson, NV 89074
> 702.882.6711
>  
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
>  Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 4:59 PM
>  To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jpaynepbr at cox.net
>  Cc: architect1 at att.net
>  Subject: Re: [TR] Pre-Purchase Inspection - Triumph Stag - Canoga Park CA
>  
> Jonas 
> have you tried posting on the triumph club of sothern california facebook page?
>  
>  
>  
> On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:35:07 PM PDT, jpaynepbr at cox.net <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote: 
>  
>  
> I have a friend interested in purchasing a Stag that is located in Canoga Park, CA.
> We could use somebody generally local and familiar with Stags to do a PPI on the car and report back. 
> Reasonable fee is offered for the service.  
> If able and interested, please contact me at 
> jpaynepbr at cox.net
> 702.882.6711
> I will make introductions 
> Thank you
> Jonas Payne
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 22:40:13 +0000
> From: Robert M Lang <blang at mit.edu>
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
>         <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
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> As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two  holes were not the correct diameter.
> 
> That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin...
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bob Lang
>                           Cell: 339-927-4489
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> ________________________________
> From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
> 
> Greetings everyone ~
> 
> Opinion time:
> 
> Subject: Oil pan gaskets.
> 
> Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99
> while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
> that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?
> 
> Dave
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2023 19:14:59 -0400
> From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> To: Robert M Lang <blang at mit.edu>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
>         <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
> Message-ID: <B3CDA447-F613-4EDB-82C4-19849B9CCE0B at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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> I buy the cheaper gaskets and use Ultra Black RTV. They do NOT leak that way and the thick gasket allows for relatively easy removal (race EMG in a come apart a lot).
> Phil
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2023, at 6:41 PM, Robert M Lang via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
> > 
> > ?
> > As a rule of thumb, I try to use the better brand gaskets when they are available. I cannot speak to TR3 gaskets, but I find that the cheaper gaskets sometimes need "fettling" to fit properly. I see this all the time with the manifold gaskets for TR6 and there have been times when there was no choice available - just available. I chose "available" so I could drive the car. The cheaper gasket ate 2 hours of my labor to fit. The stud holes were off by 1 / 8 inch, plus or minus. Ans one or two  holes were not the correct diameter.
> > 
> > That said, if you're like me, you buy the cheap one AND the expensive one and one winds up either as a spare or in the bin...
> > 
> > Good luck!
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Bob Lang             
> >                           Cell: 339-927-4489
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > From: NET <net-bounces at newenglandtriumphs.org> on behalf of David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 3:22 PM
> > To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> > Subject: [NET] Payen vs. Standard Oil Pan Gasket
> >  
> > Greetings everyone ~
> > 
> > Opinion time:
> > 
> > Subject: Oil pan gaskets.
> > 
> > Without disparaging Moss, I note their 692-000 Payen gasket is $26.99 
> > while their stock gasket (695-000) is just $4.99. Is the Payen gasket TR3
> > that much better?? Worth the $$ difference?
> > 
> > Dave
> > _______________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 09:16:05 -0600
> From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] JK Jackson 1939 - 2023
> Message-ID: <14dfdfe7-2d12-f5d5-5fc9-f66715255fb5 at bradakis.com>
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> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: [Fot] JK Jackson   1939 - 2023
> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 06:53:44 -0400
> From: yellow04 via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
> Reply-To: yellow04 <yellow04 at tr4racer.com>
> To: fot at autox.team.net
> 
> The go-fast Triumph fraternity lost an important member last Sunday, JK 
> Jackson had died.
> 
> I was lucky enough to meet JK very early in my racing exploits, and he 
> took pity on my attempts to field a TR4 that was in a pitiful state. His 
> guidance some twenty years ago was key to my climbing the curve from 
> neophyte to racer. He was always willing to offer advice, and if you 
> followed his advice to the letter the outcome was usually positive. If 
> it didn't turn out as expected, I know I screwed something up! It was JK 
> who explained to me how to build a big chassis Triumph gearbox that goes 
> the distance, his techniques worked back then and I still use his 
> formula on every gearbox I build.
> 
> As I stand in front of my parts washer working the dirty parts, I still 
> think is this clean, or is it JK clean...
> 
> RIP, my friend.
> 
> Henry Frye
> 
> 
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