From spamiam at comcast.net  Sat Jul  1 10:32:37 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 12:32:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
Message-ID: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>

I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.  

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!  Sorry!!

-Tony


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Jul  1 11:14:37 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 17:14:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
References: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
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Hey, Tony:  what do I tell ya?  It's not for the faint-hearted!

It is tight, but they will fit.  The long narrow cover you describe should be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires through.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:33 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.  

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!  Sorry!!

-Tony

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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Sat Jul  1 13:25:45 2023
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (pdqtr6)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2023 15:25:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB765573061B9B2809A9D96E3BCA2BA@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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It wouldn't be a bad idea to buy a new wire cover before you take the old one off. They aren't made of ballistic steel and are easy to deform or break.?Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: "auprichard uprichard.net" <auprichard at uprichard.net> Date: 7/1/23  1:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing? Hey, Tony:? what do I tell ya?? It's not for the faint-hearted!It is tight, but they will fit.? The long narrow cover you describe should be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires through.Andrew-----Original Message-----From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony RhodesSent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:33 PMTo: triumphs at autox.team.netSubject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4AI am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.? As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.?? There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.?? And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wiresAnd those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!How do I free up that cover to getIt loose enough to pass the OD wires?So many questions!!!? Sorry!!-Tony** triumphs at autox.team.net **Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net** triumphs at autox.team.net **Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdqtr6 at comcast.net
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jul  1 14:24:27 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 20:24:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
References: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
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It's the same sad story on a TR6.? They get routed with the turn signal wires.? And the trough isn't big enough.? I fought thia with my TR6 and it took me an inordinant amount of time.??
I'd categorize this as one of those not so easy things.? A partial disassembly of the steering column is in the works.
Dave

Sent from AOL on Android 
 
  On Sat, Jul 1, 2023 at 11:41, Anthony Rhodes<spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:   I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.? 

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.? There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.? And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!? Sorry!!

-Tony

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From jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 16:14:47 2023
From: jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com (jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 18:14:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB765573061B9B2809A9D96E3BCA2BA@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
 <DS7PR07MB765573061B9B2809A9D96E3BCA2BA@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Tony I agree with Andrew, it's not easy but they can be bundled with the other wires and all clamped together in that cable tray. I've done it. An option is to buy some new wire in the correct colors from British Wiring which seem to be a smaller overall dia. And replace the wires supplied with the new OD switch. They sell wire by the foot in the correct colors.
JVV

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 1:15 PM
To: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

Hey, Tony:  what do I tell ya?  It's not for the faint-hearted!

It is tight, but they will fit.  The long narrow cover you describe should be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires through.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:33 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.  

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!  Sorry!!

-Tony

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 17:42:55 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2023 19:42:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <017901d9ac69$729d3830$57d7a890$@gmail.com>
References: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
 <DS7PR07MB765573061B9B2809A9D96E3BCA2BA@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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I didn't know any better, so I just stuck min under the cover and it worked
fine. 75 TR6.

On Sat, Jul 1, 2023, 18:30 <jerryvvtr4a at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tony I agree with Andrew, it's not easy but they can be bundled with the
> other wires and all clamped together in that cable tray. I've done it. An
> option is to buy some new wire in the correct colors from British Wiring
> which seem to be a smaller overall dia. And replace the wires supplied with
> the new OD switch. They sell wire by the foot in the correct colors.
> JVV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard
> uprichard.net
> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 1:15 PM
> To: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
>
> Hey, Tony:  what do I tell ya?  It's not for the faint-hearted!
>
> It is tight, but they will fit.  The long narrow cover you describe should
> be removed first and then replaced after you have fed all the wires through.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony
> Rhodes
> Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:33 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
>
> I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an
> overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive
> TR4A
>
> I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I
> am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.
>
> As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do
> not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the
> other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in
> without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of
> the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch
> then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.
>
> And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the
> column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along
> with the other wires
>
> And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space
> inside that cover!
>
> How do I free up that cover to get
> It loose enough to pass the OD wires?
>
> So many questions!!!  Sorry!!
>
> -Tony
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 18:42:37 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (trguy75 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2023 20:42:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?
In-Reply-To: <4CA034E2-794D-4401-92CA-F249DDBB6106@comcast.net>
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Anthony:
Having just restored my 4A steering column, I am very familiar with the process. It is not a quick job to do it right and not ruin parts.

1. Undo bolt on the wire cover that surrounds the steering column.  You are going to have to remover the cover towards firewall.
2. Undo the bolts to loosen or remover lower steering column locking bracket attached right behind the dash.  Two pieces that are silver. 
3. Loosen the support stays attached to that bracket. 
4.  This should loosen the steering column and provide some "play" so you can get the wire cover through the dash.
5.  Be careful loosening the wire cover end that goes around the steering cover under the dash.  You will have to gently pry the two ends apart to loosen it around the steering column.  
6. with play available route the OD switch harness through steering column, out underneath the column and through the dash with the other wires.
7. Then put the wire cover back on and slide through the dash opening into the steeing column opening where the wires all come out. 
It takes a little time but thatr's it.
Jim   

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Anthony Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, July 1, 2023 12:33 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A overdrive column switch wire routing?

I am looking for advice, even photos, of how to route the wires from an overdrive switch (mounts to the left hand escutcheon) on my left hand drive TR4A

I am going to be adding an overdrive to my transmission this fall, and I am trying to get the ?easy stuff? done ahead of time.  

As I look at the column with the original escutcheon halves removed, I do not see a good way to get the wires into the column ?head? to join the other switch wires.   There does not seem to be much room to feed them in without pinching against the metal of the column, but if it goes forward of the turn signal switch.   And if the wires pass rearward of that switch then they could interfere with the self-cancelling mechanism.

And then once the wires are in there, how do they get fed down and out the column to go into that long narrow cover on the bottom of the column along with the other wires

And those wires already there seem to completely FILL the available space inside that cover!

How do I free up that cover to get
It loose enough to pass the OD wires?

So many questions!!!  Sorry!!

-Tony

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From actionsl at att.net  Mon Jul  3 12:41:54 2023
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:41:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Bodies
References: <D03F96C5-747B-471D-87B0-9A9CE43837B8.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <D03F96C5-747B-471D-87B0-9A9CE43837B8@att.net>

Have 2 TR4A bodies only, no running gear. Los Angeles area.

Carl

From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 12:47:33 2023
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 11:47:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
Message-ID: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>

Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind
the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first
drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would
immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second
or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little
later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe
10 years ago.
Many thanks
JohnH

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jul  3 14:07:41 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 20:07:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
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Message-ID: <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>

Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for you to re-engage each time?? If it is the former it might be something as simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the transmission.? If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.? Also check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.? 

Dave 


 

    On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first drive OD would not stay engaged.? After being switched on it would immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe 10 years ago. 
Many thanksJohnH

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From rponiarski at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 15:05:33 2023
From: rponiarski at gmail.com (Richard Poniarski)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:05:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
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     My Stag has the 4 speed without overdrive, but I have a '78 MGB with 
overdrive. Have had a similar issue. Replaced the switch and it solved 
the problem.


Richard M. Poniarski
1971 Triumph Stag Series 1
1978 MGB Tourer


------ Original Message ------
>From "Lee&John Howard" <leejohn7 at gmail.com>
To "triumph list list" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Date 7/3/2023 14:47:33
Subject [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag

>Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work 
>behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the 
>very first drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it 
>would immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more 
>than a second or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking 
>the switch a little later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly 
>since a rebuild maybe 10 years ago.
>Many thanks
>JohnH
>
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>
>
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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 15:35:19 2023
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 14:35:19 -0700
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, it switches in and out all by itself. When I then switch back to 4th
she behaves normally. I'll first check where the OD sub-harness meets the
wiring that goes up the shift lever. In that space several wire bunches are
scrunched together.
Thankyou Dave.
JohnH

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 1:07?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for
> you to re-engage each time?  If it is the former it might be something as
> simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the
> transmission.  If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be
> switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.  Also
> check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <
> leejohn7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind
> the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first
> drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would
> immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second
> or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little
> later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe
> 10 years ago.
> Many thanks
> JohnH
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul  3 15:43:01 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 21:43:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <339bcf4af0be4c90b37999dde891db2e@ranteer.com>

Excellent advice

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 3:08 PM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag

Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for you to re-engage each time?  If it is the former it might be something as simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the transmission.  If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.  Also check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.

Dave




On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com<mailto:leejohn7 at gmail.com>> wrote:


Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe 10 years ago.
Many thanks
JohnH

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul  3 16:49:29 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 22:49:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c7260479a53438d9982027c11add687@ranteer.com>

Looks to me like you found the problem

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lee&John Howard
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 4:35 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag

Yes, it switches in and out all by itself. When I then switch back to 4th she behaves normally. I'll first check where the OD sub-harness meets the wiring that goes up the shift lever. In that space several wire bunches are scrunched together.
Thankyou Dave.
JohnH

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 1:07?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for you to re-engage each time?  If it is the former it might be something as simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the transmission.  If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.  Also check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.

Dave




On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com<mailto:leejohn7 at gmail.com>> wrote:


Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe 10 years ago.
Many thanks
JohnH

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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Mon Jul  3 17:42:54 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 17:42:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000701d9ae08$18e93b90$4abbb2b0$@triumphstagclub.org>

John,

Well there is good news and bad news.   Like Dave  thinks, if it is the top cover switches, the good news is the original Lucas switches can be carefully disassembled, contacts cleaned, lubricated, and reassembled.  Beware if the available replacement switches as they are usually garbage.

 

I have some photos of that process.

 

The bad news is, on a Stag that requires dropping the transmission to get to the switches, OR, cutting a hole in the metal transmission cover and making a larger plate to cover the access hole.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lee&John Howard
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2023 3:35 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag

 

Yes, it switches in and out all by itself. When I then switch back to 4th she behaves normally. I'll first check where the OD sub-harness meets the wiring that goes up the shift lever. In that space several wire bunches are scrunched together.

Thankyou Dave.

JohnH

 

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 1:07?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for you to re-engage each time?  If it is the former it might be something as simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the transmission.  If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.  Also check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.  

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com <mailto:leejohn7 at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe 10 years ago. 

Many thanks

JohnH


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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 17:51:14 2023
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 16:51:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <000701d9ae08$18e93b90$4abbb2b0$@triumphstagclub.org>
References: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000701d9ae08$18e93b90$4abbb2b0$@triumphstagclub.org>
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Thanks Glen
I think it may have just been the connections under the wood trim center
piece where they are crowded by the window  and light switch wires.  They
seemed a bit loose.   OD tested OK on a short drive, but the test was a bit
confused by a gulping Hiolley. But that's another story.  It will take a
serious drive to be sure it  is now OK.
I dread getting at the top cover switches -probably beyond my  ability at
this point.
John

On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 4:43?PM <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> wrote:

> John,
>
> Well there is good news and bad news.   Like Dave  thinks, if it is the
> top cover switches, the good news is the original Lucas switches can be
> carefully disassembled, contacts cleaned, lubricated, and reassembled.
> Beware if the available replacement switches as they are usually garbage.
>
>
>
> I have some photos of that process.
>
>
>
> The bad news is, on a Stag that requires dropping the transmission to get
> to the switches, OR, cutting a hole in the metal transmission cover and
> making a larger plate to cover the access hole.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Lee&John
> Howard
> *Sent:* Monday, July 3, 2023 3:35 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Cc:* triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
>
>
>
> Yes, it switches in and out all by itself. When I then switch back to 4th
> she behaves normally. I'll first check where the OD sub-harness meets the
> wiring that goes up the shift lever. In that space several wire bunches are
> scrunched together.
>
> Thankyou Dave.
>
> JohnH
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 1:07?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it necessary for
> you to re-engage each time?  If it is the former it might be something as
> simple as the adjustment of one of the interlock switches on top of the
> transmission.  If it is set right at the ragged edge of actuation it can be
> switching from open to closed to open just due to the vibrations.  Also
> check the wiring for a loose or poorly crimped connector.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard <
> leejohn7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work behind
> the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on the very first
> drive OD would not stay engaged.  After being switched on it would
> immediately begin to flip in and out, not holding OD for more than a second
> or two. Could this be a wiring issue? I'll be checking the switch a little
> later. Any other ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe
> 10 years ago.
>
> Many thanks
>
> JohnH
>
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Jul  3 19:35:55 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 21:35:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] J-Type Overdrive - Stag
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaD1DMr8eyPpHL2k+TCFpqd7hMmJOP9fhCqB0kOcAwzZuk4ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <784959901.2002175.1688414861247@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAJaD1DPO02q22xcMr2Hho9VURN4kWy1dD8E1nN_6DmiigPzvYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac6e8a0a-cfca-f8a5-d53a-62b68bd1048c@verizon.net>

..could also be fluid level .... pump starvation.
If you can hold the shift lever to one side or push fore/aft a tad and 
it stays engaged,,,,it's mostly likely an interlock switch wear issue.

ptegler

On 7/3/2023 5:35 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote:
> Yes, it switches in and out all by itself. When I then switch back to 
> 4th she behaves normally. I'll first check where the OD sub-harness 
> meets the wiring that goes up the shift lever. In that space several 
> wire bunches are scrunched together.
> Thankyou Dave.
> JohnH
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2023 at 1:07?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
>     Does it switch in and out with no input from you or is it
>     necessary for you to re-engage each time?? If it is the former it
>     might be something as simple as the adjustment of one of the
>     interlock switches on top of the transmission.? If it is set right
>     at the ragged edge of actuation it can be switching from open to
>     closed to open just due to the vibrations.? Also check the wiring
>     for a loose or poorly crimped connector.
>
>     Dave
>
>
>
>
>     On Monday, July 3, 2023 at 02:22:56 PM CDT, Lee&John Howard
>     <leejohn7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>     Looking for some help with my 73 Stag's overdrive. After some work
>     behind the dash instigated by my recovering the center console, on
>     the very first drive OD would not stay engaged.? After being
>     switched on it would immediately begin to flip in and out, not
>     holding OD for more than a second or two. Could this be a wiring
>     issue? I'll be checking the switch a little later. Any other
>     ideas? Its been working flawlessly since a rebuild maybe 10 years
>     ago.
>     Many thanks
>     JohnH
>
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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 11:42:28 2023
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2023 10:42:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Re Stag OD issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1688493603.3351.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Thank you Paul for the comment.  It seems OK for now but I'll remember your
suggestion if the problem returns.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jul  6 07:25:10 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:25:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
Message-ID: <f9d86a32d803477b90e256a569ebbbbf@ranteer.com>

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jul  6 08:18:20 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 14:18:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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I would take it to a local shop and have them test it - but that's just me.

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jul  6 09:57:04 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 11:57:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
In-Reply-To: <f9d86a32d803477b90e256a569ebbbbf@ranteer.com>
References: <f9d86a32d803477b90e256a569ebbbbf@ranteer.com>
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Check out Dan Master's site - http://www.advanceautowire.com   They have
schematics available there. Also, look at Litezupp.   https://litezupp.com
- they address some of the issues with LED's including dashboard indicators.
Polarity, color and how the bulb is oriented are issues that are addressed. 

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the
engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
engine).  how can I test it?

 

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest
in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke
there) or go back to a generator?

 

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?  

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  6 11:07:19 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 12:07:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Thu Jul  6 15:49:32 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 17:49:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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If you only have the original electrical devices with their normal power demands, then the stock generator is capable of handling everything.

Note: the original headlights may have been about 40 W each compared to nearly 50% more than that for modern lights.

I have a stock generator, a good voltage, regulator, and a few LED lights. The headlights are NOT LED. They are H4 halogen. The generator keeps up with everything just fine.

I used the LED tail lights. I did not change any of the other running lights.

I think that my total power demand is slightly less than original.

I see no good reason to switch to an alternator!

However, if I were to add some driving lights, then I probably do not have enough power output from the stock generator.

 on the other hand, switching to LED headlights and LED driving lights probably would reduce my overall power demand from where it is right now.

I have not switched my headlights to LED because I am not convinced that the H4 LED replacements are as good as the halogens for the beam pattern . 

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jul 6, 2023, at 3:12 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 13:25:10 +0000
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> : triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?
> 
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?
> 
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?


From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jul  6 16:52:04 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2023 22:52:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
In-Reply-To: <004201d9b022$82472ea0$86d58be0$@charter.net>
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Here is the link:  https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml<https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https:/www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml>

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jul  7 05:52:08 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 11:52:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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On the other hand....
On advantage to converting to a GM-style alternator is availability of spare parts whilst travelling.? If you drive your car on trips (to VTR for example) and you experience a failure in the charging system you can get a replacement just about anywhere.
But if you have a trailer queen stick with the dynamo.

Dave 


 

    On Thursday, July 6, 2023 at 04:56:32 PM CDT, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 If you only have the original electrical devices with their normal power demands, then the stock generator is capable of handling everything.

Note: the original headlights may have been about 40 W each compared to nearly 50% more than that for modern lights.

I have a stock generator, a good voltage, regulator, and a few LED lights. The headlights are NOT LED. They are H4 halogen. The generator keeps up with everything just fine.

I used the LED tail lights. I did not change any of the other running lights.

I think that my total power demand is slightly less than original.

I see no good reason to switch to an alternator!

However, if I were to add some driving lights, then I probably do not have enough power output from the stock generator.

 on the other hand, switching to LED headlights and LED driving lights probably would reduce my overall power demand from where it is right now.

I have not switched my headlights to LED because I am not convinced that the H4 LED replacements are as good as the halogens for the beam pattern . 

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

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> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.? Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.? It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).? how can I test it?
> 
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?
> 
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?

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From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Jul  7 12:18:45 2023
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 14:18:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 18:24:36 2023
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2023 20:24:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
In-Reply-To: <c9342f8efdd6438b8b678d78b5770e7f@ranteer.com>
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I like my GM alternator. Been running for 10 years now on my TR4. TR2 is
still on a genny.

 I gutted an old voltage regulator and did all the odd wire routing inside.
So, no harness chopping.  Downside, ammeter only shows load, not charging.
But I can see the ammeter changes with turn signals and brake lights, so
that's a bit of comfort.

It aligns with my goal that all changes are reversible for the next
caretaker. (Along with the 3 small crates of parts to bring it back to
original...)

Cheers,
Chris

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> Here is the link:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https://www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml
> <https://web.archive.org/web/20130726062146/https:/www.vtr.org/maintain/alternator/gm-tr2-3.shtml>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul  8 08:33:37 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 14:33:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car


From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

I would take it to a local shop and have them test it - but that's just me.

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Jul  8 09:08:18 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 15:08:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I'd have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car


From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

I would take it to a local shop and have them test it - but that's just me.

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jul  8 10:52:28 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 16:52:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current to operate.? Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.? And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
Dave 


 

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Ofdave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
 
 ?
 
https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
 
 ?
 
I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.
 
 ?
 
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.?
 
 ?
 
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.? You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
 
 ?
 
Not sure about the reference to LEDs:? my understanding is? that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
 
 ?
 
Andrew Uprichard
 
Jackson, Michigan
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
 
 ?
 
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.? Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.? It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).? how can I test it?
 
 ?
 
Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?
 
 ?
 
Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?? 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Jul  8 13:24:31 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:24:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.

It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).

But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.

Andrew

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.

Dave




On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:



All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator



https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car





From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator



I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.



An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.



I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.



Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.



Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator



Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?



Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?



Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sat Jul  8 17:18:24 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 17:18:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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Andrew,

Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED?s for turn signals and also the turn indicator.  

 

A caveat though to people looking for dash LED?s: there are some German made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does not matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed onto the instrument mounting post.

 

A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the IGN indicator.

 

And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. 

 

So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of yet:  

 

My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gauge does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good audible synthesized ?clicking? when the turn signals are active both left and right turns.

 

Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.

 

It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).

 

But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.

 

Andrew

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumph list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote: 

 

 

All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car

 

 

From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > 
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

 

I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.

 

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.  

 

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

 

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

 

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

 

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?  

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jul  8 18:09:15 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 00:09:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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You an always rewire that part of the car to be compatible with later models.? But if you are looking for a drop-in replacement they may not be available.
It all depends on how original you want to keep the car and for what purposes.? I kept my TR3 bone-stock original for concours purposes but my TR6 and TR8 are significantly modified.? It's all part of the hobby, after all.

Dave 


 

    On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 02:24:38 PM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
 
 ?
 
It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
 
 ?
 
But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
 
 ?
 
Andrew
 
 ?
 
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
 
 ?
 
That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current to operate.? Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.? And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
 
 ?
 
Dave
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
 
 ?
 
 ?
 
All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.
 
?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
 
?
 
https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
 
?
 
?
 
From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator
 
?
 
I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.
 
?
 
An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.? 
 
?
 
I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.? You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
 
?
 
Not sure about the reference to LEDs:? my understanding is? that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
 
?
 
Andrew Uprichard
 
Jackson, Michigan
 
?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
 
?
 
Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.? Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.? It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).? how can I test it?
 
?
 
Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?
 
?
 
Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator??
 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 18:50:56 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 19:50:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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Glenn, I had the same issue.  The turn signal light reverses polarity,
flows one way for left and the other for right.  An incandescent doesn't
care, but an LED does.  I had to add a little electric solid state
doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.  Randall (RIP) helped
me solve that mystery.  An electronics guru will be able to tell you what
you need.  CZT or something like that.

Greg Lemon TR250

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED?s for turn
> signals and also the turn indicator.
>
>
>
> A caveat though to people looking for dash LED?s: there are some German
> made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and
> the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal
> socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp
> holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they
> short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage
> non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does not
> matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because
> they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed
> onto the instrument mounting post.
>
>
>
> A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of
> those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the
> IGN indicator.
>
>
>
> And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to
> cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D
> printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.
>
>
>
> So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look
> into as of yet:
>
>
>
> My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the
> right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function
> correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gauge
> does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good
> audible synthesized ?clicking? when the turn signals are active both left
> and right turns.
>
>
>
> Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed
> inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *auprichard
> uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>;
> triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning
> lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
>
>
>
> It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an
> LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
>
>
>
> But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum
> current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third
> wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic
> flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs
> from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for
> the warning lamps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.
>
>
>
> An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on
> at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow
> belt.
>
>
>
> I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be
> wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
> ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
>
>
>
> Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there
> really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the
> engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
> all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
> engine).  how can I test it?
>
>
>
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest
> in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke
> there) or go back to a generator?
>
>
>
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
>
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>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 19:08:28 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:08:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] LED Turn Signal Light
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZnJseZzT4E3Y_8gAiT528imK5o+O+10-rnS_Twau7RhQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From TR3Driver (Randall RIP)

"are LED lights "handed"?  (Me)

Bingo ! (Randall)

Seriously, LED stands for light emitting DIODE, meaning they only work for
one polarity. The TR250 turn signal indicator relies on the fact that
incandescent bulbs don't care about polarity.

Talk to your LED vendor, they may have a unit that provides for operation
with either polarity. Otherwise, you'll have to rearrange the turn
indicator circuit to use a (or two) LED.
Some possibly workable alternatives:

1) Use a 3-terminal flasher, connect the dash lamp to the 3rd terminal.
That's how the TR2-4A are wired.

2) Use two LEDs (possibly even in the same housing), so you can wire one to
each side.

3) Insert a diode bridge between the LED and the original turn wiring
https://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/...WSF&CID=GMC

4) Add a relay with its coil wired in place of the original turn signal
indicator bulb, and the contacts switching the LED.

5) Use two diodes (rather than the bridge), and wire the other side of the
LED to ground.

Or of course just keep using an incandescent.

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> wrote:

> Andrew,
>
> Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED?s for turn
> signals and also the turn indicator.
>
>
>
> A caveat though to people looking for dash LED?s: there are some German
> made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and
> the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal
> socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp
> holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they
> short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage
> non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does not
> matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because
> they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed
> onto the instrument mounting post.
>
>
>
> A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of
> those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the
> IGN indicator.
>
>
>
> And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to
> cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D
> printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets.
>
>
>
> So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look
> into as of yet:
>
>
>
> My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the
> right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function
> correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gauge
> does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good
> audible synthesized ?clicking? when the turn signals are active both left
> and right turns.
>
>
>
> Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed
> inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.
>
>
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *auprichard
> uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>;
> triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning
> lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.
>
>
>
> It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an
> LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).
>
>
>
> But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>; auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum
> current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third
> wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic
> flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs
> from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for
> the warning lamps.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; triumph list list <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.
>
>
>
> An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on
> at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow
> belt.
>
>
>
> I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be
> wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative
> ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.
>
>
>
> Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there
> really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *dave
> northrup
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
> *To:* triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] generator vs alternator
>
>
>
> Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the
> engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at
> all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the
> engine).  how can I test it?
>
>
>
> Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest
> in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke
> there) or go back to a generator?
>
>
>
> Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From: 93roadglide at gmail.com (Bill Anderson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2023 15:53:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4's - Project car and parts car
Message-ID: <CAJuujnQHB-DMKUK_hNdoK0TDmc0mupgTNB7hOQ-3JYsDm2Q8LA@mail.gmail.com>

My wife has lowered the boom! "If you aren't going to work on those things,
get rid of them! or I will"
I am approaching 80yrs old and can't really get motivated to breathe paint
fumes and dust anymore,
so the best offer takes all including  some other parts I have no use for.
Cars are located in NorthEast Ga, between Carnesville and Homer.

https://goo.gl/photos/yHCRecSrbShwXCVB6
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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  9 10:41:03 2023
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 16:41:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4's - Project car and parts car
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 Gene Winfield is still building hot rods in his mid 90's? You can do it.? The activity will keep you young.??
Chad in Tulsa
    On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:49:06 AM CDT, Bill Anderson <93roadglide at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 My wife has lowered the boom! "If you aren't going?to work on those things, get rid of them! or I will"I am approaching 80yrs old and can't really get motivated to breathe paint fumes and dust anymore,so the best offer takes all including? some other parts I have no use for.Cars are located in NorthEast Ga, between?Carnesville and Homer.
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 22:21:12 2023
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2023 21:21:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGxANZbLBbp_0ZCnqng5ZW-qkUOqzOytC+c866Zam265A@mail.gmail.com>

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 10 07:14:30 2023
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:14:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGxANZbLBbp_0ZCnqng5ZW-qkUOqzOytC+c866Zam265A@mail.gmail.com>
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 If it's for your Stag, I wouldn't.? All that stuff does is gum things up in the cooling system.....which is already marginal in a Stag.
Chad
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 01:34:13 AM CDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Sujit

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Jul 10 09:10:00 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 11:10:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
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.yes...? these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' folks 
here

Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....

mama's got a gear box 
<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Gearbox.mp3>
Losing my transmission 
<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Losing_My_Transmission.mp3>
Rust, in the tin 
<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Rust_In_The_Tin.mp3>
smoke from the dashboard 
<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Smoke_From_The_Dashboard.mp3>
He's a real tr man 
<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-TR-Man.mp3>

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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Mon Jul 10 09:54:36 2023
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 11:54:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Mon Jul 10 11:57:17 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 11:57:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator
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References: <f9d86a32d803477b90e256a569ebbbbf@ranteer.com>
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Greg

 

Ah yes, I recall Randall?s discussion on that.  It needs a Zener diode for 12VDC.  There are several areas Randall and I collaborated on electrical issues with Stags way back then.

 

I?ll do some searching on that to see if I can find the reference in the digest archives.

 

Thanks for rattling the brain cells!

 

Glenn Merrell, CAP

StagByTriumph Garage

aka Stag-By-Triumph Garage (on FaceBook)

Remember, ?the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen ? with the occasional smell of manure!?

 

 

 

From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 6:51 PM
To: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

Glenn, I had the same issue.  The turn signal light reverses polarity, flows one way for left and the other for right.  An incandescent doesn't care, but an LED does.  I had to add a little electric solid state doohickey to the circuit to make it work both ways.  Randall (RIP) helped me solve that mystery.  An electronics guru will be able to tell you what you need.  CZT or something like that.

 

Greg Lemon TR250

 

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023, 7:29 PM <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> > wrote:

Andrew,

Correct, an electronic three spade flasher works for having LED?s for turn signals and also the turn indicator.  

 

A caveat though to people looking for dash LED?s: there are some German made LED-s that have an al-u-min-e-um heat sink between the screw base and the lens.  It is the same height as the spring holding tabs on the metal socket, and when inserted into the insulated two wire style indicator lamp holder socket and pushed into the instrument socket (six of them), they short out one wire to ground.  Beware.  Always get the lower wattage non-heatsink style as they are plenty bright.  The only ones that does not matter are the instrument lighting circuit (Red with white tracer) because they use the instrument case as the ground path to the black wire screwed onto the instrument mounting post.

 

A dimmable 12VDC LED works for the IGN indicator, have not found one of those in a screw in E-10 base yet so still using an incandescent for the IGN indicator.

 

And if your instrument light plastic spring loaded socket is turning to cheese, we have some 3D printed solutions (see the Triumph Experience 3D printing forum) to easily repair the OE instrument sockets. 

 

So here is a challenge for the group I have not taken any time to look into as of yet:  

 

My TR250 dash green turn indicator flashes with the left turn but not the right turn.  All turn signals, LED front and rear signals function correctly.  The only issue is the green turn signal indicator in the gauge does not flash for right turns.  The electronic flasher unit has a good audible synthesized ?clicking? when the turn signals are active both left and right turns.

 

Not yet ruled out some issue from the PO/DPM, or a ground wire I missed inside the harness when repairing a burnt Brown w/White wire on the harness.

 

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net> 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 1:25 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >; dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

OK, I was getting muddled between my TR250 which has numerous warning lamps and the TR3 which obviously only has two.

 

It is possible to get an LED for the flasher, as long as you get an LED-compatible flasher (which I did from LiteZupp).

 

But there was no alternative for the ignition lamp.

 

Andrew

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 12:52 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumph list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>  <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

That is probably due to the fact that the flasher unit requires a minimum current to operate.  Since this is a three-terminal unit with the third wire for the dash indicator switching over to a two-terminal electronic flasher will not work.  And the electronic units may be Neg-Ground only.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 11:06:19 AM CDT, auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>  <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote: 

 

 

All I can say is I just replaced all the bulbs in my latest TR3 with LEDs from LiteZupp but Mike said I?d have to stick with the original bulbs for the warning lamps.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 10:34 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

https://litezupp.com/ can replace every bulb in almost every car

 

 

From: auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net>  <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > 
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:18 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: generator vs alternator

 

I would take it to a local shop and have them test it ? but that?s just me.

 

An alternator is a significant upgrade (you can have lights and wipers on at the same time), but it will require different pulleys if it is a narrow belt.  

 

I thought most alternator conversions were negative ground, but I may be wrong.  You can also stick with the generator and convert to negative ground for radios and other more modern electrical appliances.

 

Not sure about the reference to LEDs:  my understanding is  that there really is no LED alternative for the dash warning lights.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, July 6, 2023 9:25 AM
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] generator vs alternator

 

Recently picked up a 59 TR3 which has an alternator conversion.  Since the engine was separate, I have no idea how well the generator works or if at all.  It is still in the engine compartment, wires connected (unlike the engine).  how can I test it?

 

Given the current availability of LED lights, and since I have no interest in installing a radio, should I try to keep the current setup (little joke there) or go back to a generator?

 

Are there wiring diagrams for this car with a generator?  

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 10 12:13:54 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 13:13:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 13:14:10 2023
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 15:14:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
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They actually made 2 albums, I believe, and I have both CDs. Great songs!

Cheers,

Chuck

On 7/10/2023 11:54 AM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote:
> I?m 2010 VTR I commissioned the spinal tappets to record an album just 
> for the event. They wrote a few songs specifically for Jekyll island. 
> We have one to all registered attendees
>
> Ronnie
>
>> On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> .yes...? these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' 
>> folks here
>>
>> Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....
>>
>> mama's got a gear box 
>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Gearbox.mp3>
>> Losing my transmission 
>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Losing_My_Transmission.mp3>
>> Rust, in the tin 
>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Rust_In_The_Tin.mp3>
>> smoke from the dashboard 
>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Smoke_From_The_Dashboard.mp3>
>> He's a real tr man 
>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-TR-Man.mp3>
>>
>> -- 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Jul 10 14:13:08 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:13:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] Rack and pinion
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB7655B79B6C3CBE9643EABA5ECA30A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I am looking for a rack and pinion steering conversion for a TR3 (LHD).  In the past I have gone through Moss Europe, but they are on backorder.  Moss US has them, but they are charging $1000, which is way more than Moss Europe - go figure.

Before I part with $1000, does anyone happen to have one lying around?

And before you ask "why would anyone buy parts and then not use them?"  I have a brand new high-ratio R & P for a TR250 which I bought and well, you get it.........

Andrew Uprichard
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Jul 10 14:17:27 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:17:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
In-Reply-To: <22D53702-DE3D-444D-BE88-EF86F23E7CC9@cox.net>
References: <8a7c7918-891d-9cf2-dccc-613525259e81@verizon.net>
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This little thread made me dig my t-shirt out of the drawer. It goes up to 11.

[IMG_0737]

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 10, 2023, at 13:07, Ronnie Babbitt <rbtr3a at cox.net> wrote:

?
I?m 2010 VTR I commissioned the spinal tappets to record an album just for the event. They wrote a few songs specifically for Jekyll island. We have one to all registered attendees

Ronnie

On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:

?
.yes...  these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' folks here

Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....

mama's got a gear box<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Gearbox.mp3>
Losing my transmission<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Losing_My_Transmission.mp3>
Rust, in the tin<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Rust_In_The_Tin.mp3>
smoke from the dashboard<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Smoke_From_The_Dashboard.mp3>
He's a real tr man<https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-TR-Man.mp3>

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 16:10:20 2023
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:10:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] Best Rear Oil Gallery Plug Sealing...
Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

I've always had a small oil leak (haven't we all!) from the back of my TR4 block. I always assumed it was the rear main seal. But after removing my gearbox  to address an issue with it, I discovered the rear main seal area was bone dry, but instead the lead was coming from the rear oil gallery plug. It's a threaded aluminum plug that I've always sealed with Permatex Aviation Form-A-Gasket. Apparently that's not an adequate sealer doe this application. What have people found that works? I don't want a thread locker seal solution as I do want the ability to remove this seal later if needed.

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 10 16:14:40 2023
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:14:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
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I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6 frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably shorter) that works on a GT6?

Thanks, Joel...


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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Jul 10 18:19:49 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:19:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGxANZbLBbp_0ZCnqng5ZW-qkUOqzOytC+c866Zam265A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGxANZbLBbp_0ZCnqng5ZW-qkUOqzOytC+c866Zam265A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01d9b38d$67de1ab0$379a5010$@charter.net>

What?s K-Seal? Is this another name for body putty, sometimes referred to as dum-dum?

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 12:21 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?

 

Sujit


 

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Mon Jul 10 19:52:48 2023
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 20:52:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
In-Reply-To: <628f18b8-9992-5734-3359-ac190c1ff53d@gmail.com>
References: <8a7c7918-891d-9cf2-dccc-613525259e81@verizon.net>
 <22D53702-DE3D-444D-BE88-EF86F23E7CC9@cox.net>
 <628f18b8-9992-5734-3359-ac190c1ff53d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d03a890-1da5-20ac-d199-b02c6422c4a0@satx.rr.com>

on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GglnF6EF5gs

On 7/10/2023 2:14 PM, Chuck White wrote:
>
> They actually made 2 albums, I believe, and I have both CDs. Great songs!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Chuck
>
> On 7/10/2023 11:54 AM, Ronnie Babbitt wrote:
>> I?m 2010 VTR I commissioned the spinal tappets to record an album 
>> just for the event. They wrote a few songs specifically for Jekyll 
>> island. We have one to all registered attendees
>>
>> Ronnie
>>
>>> On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> .yes...? these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' 
>>> folks here
>>>
>>> Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....
>>>
>>> mama's got a gear box 
>>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Gearbox.mp3>
>>> Losing my transmission 
>>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Losing_My_Transmission.mp3>
>>> Rust, in the tin 
>>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Rust_In_The_Tin.mp3>
>>> smoke from the dashboard 
>>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-Smoke_From_The_Dashboard.mp3>
>>> He's a real tr man 
>>> <https://www.teglerizer.com/3DPrinters/Spinal_Tappets-TR-Man.mp3>
>>>
>>> -- 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Jul 10 21:02:13 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:02:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
 <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e2e4375a-cd62-a0d5-93a9-d8ca4a402816@verizon.net>

?? point the filter forward. It does not need to be vertical to work right

ptegler


On 7/10/2023 6:14 PM, Joel Justin wrote:
> I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but 
> quickly learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long 
> given the GT6 frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter 
> make/number (presumably shorter) that works on a GT6?
>
> Thanks, Joel...
>
>
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 10 22:02:06 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 04:02:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
In-Reply-To: <7E86E65C-5D7B-4E9E-98A6-FA425CDE3DE3@albiontechnical.com>
References: <8a7c7918-891d-9cf2-dccc-613525259e81@verizon.net>
 <22D53702-DE3D-444D-BE88-EF86F23E7CC9@cox.net>
 <7E86E65C-5D7B-4E9E-98A6-FA425CDE3DE3@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <1465062981.1298590.1689048126343@mail.yahoo.com>

 love it
Frank
    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 06:45:11 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:  
 
 This little thread made me dig my t-shirt out of the drawer. It goes up to 11.


Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 10, 2023, at 13:07, Ronnie Babbitt <rbtr3a at cox.net> wrote:



?I?m 2010 VTR I commissioned the spinal tappets to record an album just for the event. They wrote a few songs specifically for Jekyll island. We have one to all registered attendees?

Ronnie

On Jul 10, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:



?.yes...? these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' folks here

Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....

mama's got a gear box
Losing my transmission
Rust, in the tin
smoke from the dashboard
He's a real tr man
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 10 22:31:40 2023
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 21:31:40 -0700
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
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References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Look up a 1998 Ford Mustang V6 to see if you can find a shorter one with 
that reference.? You can also angle the adapter to get a bit more 
space.? Give the location of the frame rail, I just kept the original 
oil filter on the GT6.? I do have the spin on adapter on my TR6, but 
that car has much more room.

Brian

On 7/10/2023 3:14 PM, Joel Justin wrote:
> I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but 
> quickly learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long 
> given the GT6 frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter 
> make/number (presumably shorter) that works on a GT6?
>
> Thanks, Joel...
>
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 22:38:48 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 23:38:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZtGoQwnLR29f0NnYTPA8XYPKKgjMVJ+GPKxSAeggsDmw@mail.gmail.com>

Look up Wix 51348, should be all dimensions the same, but about 1.4" inches
shorter.  Lots of options if you search the Wix site by thread size
https://www.wixfilters.com/Lookup/FilterBySize.aspx?catid=3&styleid=7

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023, 9:34 PM Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly
> learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6
> frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably
> shorter) that works on a GT6?
>
> Thanks, Joel...
>
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Jul 11 00:42:45 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 02:42:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Best Rear Oil Gallery Plug Sealing...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <876ec343-93c8-f801-3933-35a5c91204d0@verizon.net>

blue thread lock would seal, but is not heat stable.
Clean the threads and a smear of RED RTV will seal the threads and can 
be broken loose readily at a later date


On 7/10/2023 6:10 PM, Joel Justin wrote:
> I've always had a small oil leak (haven't we all!) from the back of my 
> TR4 block. I always assumed it was the rear main seal. But after 
> removing my gearbox? to address an issue with it, I discovered the 
> rear main seal area was bone dry, but instead the lead was coming from 
> the rear oil gallery plug. It's a threaded aluminum plug that I've 
> always sealed with Permatex Aviation Form-A-Gasket. Apparently that's 
> not an adequate sealer doe this application. What have people found 
> that works? I don't want a thread locker seal solution as I do want 
> the ability to remove this seal later if needed
>
> Thanks, Joel...
>
>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jul 11 02:44:44 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 02:44:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <004d01d9b38d$67de1ab0$379a5010$@charter.net>
References: <CANLCLaGxANZbLBbp_0ZCnqng5ZW-qkUOqzOytC+c866Zam265A@mail.gmail.com>
 <004d01d9b38d$67de1ab0$379a5010$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <71c719ce-3595-750b-08bf-b03ed3744f99@bradakis.com>

On 7/10/23 6:19 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> What?s K-Seal? Is this another name for body putty, sometimes referred 
> to as dum-dum?

K-Seal is yet another cooling system leak sealer, for people that want a 
short term crutch instead of addressing the real problem.

mjb.



From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Tue Jul 11 02:53:10 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:53:10 +0100
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
Message-ID: <32CE3B99-DD3B-440D-8697-B1521A5997FA@gmx.com>

I feel especially honoured by that fantastic group. In 2009,  when doing the Triumph Trans AmeriCan charity drive, ISOA put on an incredible event when I visited Joe PAWLAK and his team of busted knuckles who had previously rebuilt the Stag I was driving. The group was very much in evidence and sang an adapted song from its repertoire called ?Johnnys got a brand new Stag?. Brought a CD home and played it to a bunch of TR Register arrogant, PITA stuffshirts here in the U.K. who claimed the material was sacrilegious to Triumph etc etc. I applaud the Spinal Tappets, as did many other *older* members of other U.K. clubs have heard and enjoyed that same CD. Too many younger ones just don?t get it / see the songs as mickey taking and especially so if they own a car of the same model. Vive les Spinal Tappets even though I believe they?ve disbanded. Sad, they were great.

Jonmac

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jul 11 05:45:50 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 11:45:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
 <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <811715330.2444296.1689075950987@mail.yahoo.com>

I use the Motorcraft FL400 on my TR6 but I had to angle it slightly forward to clear the clutch slave cylinder but I don't think this filter is much shorter than your WIX.

Dave 


 

    On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 09:36:58 PM CDT, Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6 frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably shorter) that works on a GT6?
Thanks, Joel...

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From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 11 07:30:44 2023
From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 09:30:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?LED=E2=80=99s_for_TR6/250_dash?=
Message-ID: <70DB9084-32C3-42CB-9D08-29745FE780B1@earthlink.net>

1. To make the right turn signal work with LED?s, you need to install a diode kit. Litezupp has one, which works well on my car.

2. Do not replace the generator bulb with an LED. The alternator requires the resistance of the incandescent bulb to prime the field, apparently. If you put a low-resistance LED bulb there you might not get a charge. There?s a good discussion of this on the Litezupp site. 

Sent from my iPhone

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Jul 11 10:21:28 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:21:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 9" drums
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB76557707725602908880B30DCA31A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I am converting a smallmouth TR3 from 10" to 9" rear drums and I noticed they have what I can only describe as "peep holes".  Do all 9" drums have these?

I imagine on the early TR2s with Lockheed systems, these were used to access the adjusters which were inside the drums.  Did the holes just continue through production?  Or is there another reason?

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jul 11 10:52:59 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:52:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
In-Reply-To: <32CE3B99-DD3B-440D-8697-B1521A5997FA@gmx.com>
References: <32CE3B99-DD3B-440D-8697-B1521A5997FA@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <3ab3b010af8e4e40b4990eaa571a09cf@ranteer.com>

John -

From across the pond - "mickey taking"?

Translation please?

Dave Northrup
Dallas, TX

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 3:53 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets

I feel especially honoured by that fantastic group. In 2009,  when doing the Triumph Trans AmeriCan charity drive, ISOA put on an incredible event when I visited Joe PAWLAK and his team of busted knuckles who had previously rebuilt the Stag I was driving. The group was very much in evidence and sang an adapted song from its repertoire called ?Johnnys got a brand new Stag?. Brought a CD home and played it to a bunch of TR Register arrogant, PITA stuffshirts here in the U.K. who claimed the material was sacrilegious to Triumph etc etc. I applaud the Spinal Tappets, as did many other *older* members of other U.K. clubs have heard and enjoyed that same CD. Too many younger ones just don?t get it / see the songs as mickey taking and especially so if they own a car of the same model. Vive les Spinal Tappets even though I believe they?ve disbanded. Sad, they were great.

Jonmac

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jul 11 10:53:28 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 16:53:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <71c719ce-3595-750b-08bf-b03ed3744f99@bradakis.com>
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YIKES!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark Bradakis
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 3:45 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Has anyone one use K-seal in their Triumph?

On 7/10/23 6:19 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> What?s K-Seal? Is this another name for body putty, sometimes referred 
> to as dum-dum?

K-Seal is yet another cooling system leak sealer, for people that want a short term crutch instead of addressing the real problem.

mjb.


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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Tue Jul 11 11:55:11 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2023 18:55:11 +0100
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
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Sorry everyone, I thought the term ?Mickey taking? was originally a language import from North America? Clearly not - or it?s not a recognised term in Texas   :)

Anyway, the meaning as per Spinal Tappets. The small group from the TR Register felt the various song titles in which Triumph models are named, was an inappropriate and distasteful way of poking fun at our cars. They didn?t like it, it was unkind, it was not justified.

All I can say to those sensitive souls is they should have been at the factory and the two company owned Service Divisions in days of yore. If they had, they?d have heard multiple opinions regarding product quality, assembly practises and non-sensical ?improvements?. All of them were described in basic Coventry-ese with generous servings of a myriad of expletives to ram the points home. I?ve repeated some of them (without the expletives) to various groups to whom I give talks throughout the year - and mostly the reactions are shock, horror and a good few ?don?t knock the product? comments. Ive come to the conclusion that many enthusiasts in the U.K. either have limited or non-existent imaginations, or they?re so besotted with their beloved cars that they can?t bear to see or hear them being criticised, even constructively. This probably explains why most of my former colleagues aren?t model or marque specific Triumph club members because they, like me, can?t cope with  the endemic ?politics? that are so rife. Instead, we have our own little unofficial club where Standard cars (from 1920 onwards) Triumph cars (post 1945) and Ferguson tractors (post 1946) all mix together and everyone is happy. I understand much the same applies in the U.K. to former employees with big Healeys, Spridgets, Jaguars and MGs. We all muck in together but too many people are leaving us each year for another life beyond the stars where oil leaks are unknown and Lucas is far better and more reliable than anything which ever came out of Bosch or Magneti Marelli.

Have I clarified?

Jonmac

> On 11 Jul 2023, at 17:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> John -
> 
> From across the pond - "mickey taking"?
> 
> Translation please?
> 
> Dave Northrup
> Dallas, TX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2023 3:53 AM
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> Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
> 
> I feel especially honoured by that fantastic group. In 2009,  when doing the Triumph Trans AmeriCan charity drive, ISOA put on an incredible event when I visited Joe PAWLAK and his team of busted knuckles who had previously rebuilt the Stag I was driving. The group was very much in evidence and sang an adapted song from its repertoire called ?Johnnys got a brand new Stag?. Brought a CD home and played it to a bunch of TR Register arrogant, PITA stuffshirts here in the U.K. who claimed the material was sacrilegious to Triumph etc etc. I applaud the Spinal Tappets, as did many other *older* members of other U.K. clubs have heard and enjoyed that same CD. Too many younger ones just don?t get it / see the songs as mickey taking and especially so if they own a car of the same model. Vive les Spinal Tappets even though I believe they?ve disbanded. Sad, they were great.
> 
> Jonmac
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 23:43:39 2023
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Philip Ethier)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 00:43:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spinal Tappets
In-Reply-To: <8a7c7918-891d-9cf2-dccc-613525259e81@verizon.net>
References: <2357a209-e971-9cde-0cc7-aae47f72bc62@verizon.net>
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As far as I know, they have not recorded "TR Woman" which was a hit at the
Fontana performance.  I have pix from the sound check.

On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 10:19?AM Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:

> .yes...  these have been around for awhile... repost for the 'new' folks
> here
>
> Spinal Tappets on stage performance from a car show eons back....
>
> mama's got a gear box
> Losing my transmission
> Rust, in the tin
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From actionsl at att.net  Wed Jul 12 16:33:59 2023
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 15:33:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Bodies
References: <049CF276-D3A2-4486-85D7-45A30BB649E8.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <049CF276-D3A2-4486-85D7-45A30BB649E8@att.net>

Have 2 TR4A bodies only
Los Angeles area 

Carl

From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jul 12 17:15:27 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 23:15:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
Message-ID: <53dc0096c43540f6a2d4f42757c7d621@ranteer.com>

Cool or ghastly?

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 17:41:46 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 18:41:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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I don't hate it as much as I expected.

Greg Lemon
TR250

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> Cool or ghastly?
>
>
>
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Jul 12 17:57:06 2023
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 23:57:06 +0000
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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That?s a new take on ?long door?


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 12, 2023, at 5:38 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Cool or ghastly?

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jul 12 18:12:17 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:12:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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Wow! Anybody who goes through that effort and does a good job should be admired. Didn?t Ratco start with a TR6 that was widened about 6??  I know that we had a club member that also widened his TR6. There are a lot of highly modified/altered LBC?s that were rescued from junk yards and they wouldn?t be around if the owner?s didn?t have an enthusiastic vision. I like it!

 

Alex Thomson

?73 TR6

Connecticut Triumph Register

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 7:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6

 

Cool or ghastly?  

 

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html

 

 

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Jul 12 18:18:08 2023
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:18:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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That?s Len Renkenberger?s car?part of his estate sale?


Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: Cliff Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 8:07 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6

That?s a new take on ?long door? 

Sent from my iPhone


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? 
Cool or ghastly?? 
?
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html
?
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 12 18:44:45 2023
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 00:44:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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I believe that is Len?Renkenberger's car, He was a great asset to the Triumph community.






On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 07:33:56 PM EDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote: 





??


Cool or ghastly?? 



?

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html

?

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From aribertn at gmail.com  Wed Jul 12 20:52:13 2023
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2023 22:52:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter - STP S3512 filter
Message-ID: <CAGkVM289TY2oSKZ6PXZfViPagZOK6+M65_uUSHugrRqmBA4CRw@mail.gmail.com>

I use an STP branded filter, P/N S3512,  Still made in USA , last filters I
bought a year ago.  I buy them at Autozone.   This filter is 2 7/8 inch in
diameter and 2 5/8 inch long.   It's a dainty little thing.  As a bonus, it
also fits my Briggs & Stratton powered riding mower and is cheaper than the
Briggs filters.    Even with this short filter, I have the housing clocked
about 30 deg CW from vertical.

  From: Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2023 22:14:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly
learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6
frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably
shorter) that works on a GT6?

Thanks, Joel...
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul 13 05:32:56 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:32:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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References: <53dc0096c43540f6a2d4f42757c7d621@ranteer.com>
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Is that the Len Renkneberger car I saw some 25 years ago?? When I saw it he was still working out the convertible top frame.? He said that was the hardest part.
He self-published a book, Six Tech with lots of technical tips resulting from a life as a machinist and many years of working on TR6's.? I need to dig mine out again.
Like it or hate it is is a clever and unique execution.

Dave 


 

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Cool or ghastly??
 
 ?
 
https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html
 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul 13 05:37:43 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 11:37:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6
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There was a retro-rod Austin Healey produced based on a modern base with a fiberglass (glassfiber?) body with all the features and lines of a big Healey.? I always thought the TR6 needs to be about 6 - 8 inches (15 - 20cm) wider.? Then fitting an American V8 would be a cinch.

Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 07:48:12 PM CDT, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 
Wow! Anybody who goes through that effort and does a good job should be admired. Didn?t Ratco start with a TR6 that was widened about 6??? I know that we had a club member that also widened his TR6. There are a lot of highly modified/altered LBC?s that were rescued from junk yards and they wouldn?t be around if the owner?s didn?t have an enthusiastic vision. I like it!

 ?

Alex Thomson

?73 TR6

Connecticut Triumph Register

 ?

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2023 7:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Extended Wheelbase 1970 Triumph TR6

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Cool or ghastly?? 

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https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/ctd/d/chevy-chase-1970-triumph-tr-22-custom/7640940265.html

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Jul 13 13:17:22 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 20:17:22 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR6 extended wheelbase
Message-ID: <24D4F18F-3A23-4C11-A548-4D4864BD9349@gmx.com>

Back in 1970, we had a customer turn up at the London showroom with a TR5 that had had the same treatment. The adaptation was done by one of the leading body builders who built special coach work for Bentley and Rolls Royce and yes, it was one of the better ?cut and shut? modifications I?ve seen over the years. That said, it was an entirely dIfferent kettle of fish to drive. I recall the scuttle shake was absolutely appalling. Not my cup of tea thank you to drive or to look at.

Jonmac

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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jul 13 17:58:47 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2023 23:58:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 extended wheelbase
In-Reply-To: <24D4F18F-3A23-4C11-A548-4D4864BD9349@gmx.com>
References: <24D4F18F-3A23-4C11-A548-4D4864BD9349@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <f1855555501f4bad99d829170c4c15f4@ranteer.com>

I would think all the extra weight would really slow it down.  and the longer wheelbase not exactly help it around corners.  As a styling exercise I think its kind of interesting.  As a car I would actually want - NO WAY.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 2:17 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 extended wheelbase

Back in 1970, we had a customer turn up at the London showroom with a TR5 that had had the same treatment. The adaptation was done by one of the leading body builders who built special coach work for Bentley and Rolls Royce and yes, it was one of the better ?cut and shut? modifications I?ve seen over the years. That said, it was an entirely dIfferent kettle of fish to drive. I recall the scuttle shake was absolutely appalling. Not my cup of tea thank you to drive or to look at.

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 14 19:31:20 2023
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 01:31:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
 <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB2776DDAADE86ABA07589A6F2BE35A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks everyone for the responses. I thought I'd share my research and conclusion.

The WIX filter finder is actually very good. You can key on any parameter (thread diameter and pitch in my case, ?-16) then sort by any other attribute. I used Gasket ID. Since I knew a 51516 (4.8" long) fit the adapter, but was too long, I used its gasket info. As others suggested, the 51348 (3.4" long) and the 51056 (2.7" long) were the best alternatives. So, I ordered both. The attached (I hope they come thru) photos show the comparison.

Note that while you can see the 51516 installed, I can't do that without rotating the housing to be able to get the filter on and off. That's why it's not an option. The 51348 requires a steeper housing angle than the 51056, which means more spillage when changing, but it has more capacity and I can get it in an XP which has about twice the filtration. Since I'm going to likely spill some regardless, I've decided on the 51348XP.

Thanks, Joel Justin...


From: Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 3:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...

I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6 frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably shorter) that works on a GT6?

Thanks, Joel...


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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Jul 15 03:06:24 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2023 05:06:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776DDAADE86ABA07589A6F2BE35A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Also, don?t forget that Wix filters are available through the NAPA system ?
just drop the first digit. Wix, through their ?Gard Corporation?, makes
filters for NAPA.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel
Justin
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...

 

Thanks everyone for the responses. I thought I?d share my research and
conclusion.

 

The WIX filter finder is actually very good. You can key on any parameter
(thread diameter and pitch in my case, ?-16) then sort by any other
attribute. I used Gasket ID. Since I knew a 51516 (4.8? long) fit the
adapter, but was too long, I used its gasket info. As others suggested, the
51348 (3.4? long) and the 51056 (2.7? long) were the best alternatives. So,
I ordered both. The attached (I hope they come thru) photos show the
comparison.

 

Note that while you can see the 51516 installed, I can?t do that without
rotating the housing to be able to get the filter on and off. That?s why
it?s not an option. The 51348 requires a steeper housing angle than the
51056, which means more spillage when changing, but it has more capacity and
I can get it in an XP which has about twice the filtration. Since I?m going
to likely spill some regardless, I?ve decided on the 51348XP.

 

Thanks, Joel Justin


 

 

From: Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 3:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...

 

I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly
learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6
frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably
shorter) that works on a GT6?

 

Thanks, Joel...

 

 

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Jul 17 17:50:56 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 19:50:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB2776DDAADE86ABA07589A6F2BE35A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB2776708C00E48C2F595AA1E4BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
 <BYAPR10MB2776876BCA14A65D9FBE0F03BE30A@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <007301d9b909$88d3b3c0$9a7b1b40$@charter.net>

We had a ?71 GT6 on which a previous owner had installed a remote filter
along with an oil cooler. I just can?t remember what the element number was
without going through a file folder. The filter housing was located in front
of the left front wheel suspension.

 

Alex T.

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joel
Justin
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2023 9:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...

 

Thanks everyone for the responses. I thought I?d share my research and
conclusion.

 

The WIX filter finder is actually very good. You can key on any parameter
(thread diameter and pitch in my case, ?-16) then sort by any other
attribute. I used Gasket ID. Since I knew a 51516 (4.8? long) fit the
adapter, but was too long, I used its gasket info. As others suggested, the
51348 (3.4? long) and the 51056 (2.7? long) were the best alternatives. So,
I ordered both. The attached (I hope they come thru) photos show the
comparison.

 

Note that while you can see the 51516 installed, I can?t do that without
rotating the housing to be able to get the filter on and off. That?s why
it?s not an option. The 51348 requires a steeper housing angle than the
51056, which means more spillage when changing, but it has more capacity and
I can get it in an XP which has about twice the filtration. Since I?m going
to likely spill some regardless, I?ve decided on the 51348XP.

 

Thanks, Joel Justin


 

 

From: Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2023 3:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] GT6 Mk3 Spin-on Oil Filter Adapter...

 

I purchased a spin-on oil filter adapter for my wife's GT6, but quickly
learned that the standard WIX (51516) oil filter is too long given the GT6
frame location. Does anyone have an oil filter make/number (presumably
shorter) that works on a GT6?

 

Thanks, Joel...

 

 

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Jul 21 10:43:19 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:43:19 +0100
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?b?4oCcVW5vYnRhbml1beKAnQ==?=
Message-ID: <FB43B5F4-9ADE-46A6-AE93-9000C00841A5@gmx.com>


Hi, Everyone,

I?ve been busy these last few days in clearing out a raft of tools and things I know I?ll never need again and thought I?d post this as I know there are some people out there who would sell their grandmothers/wives/partners for certain things they?d like to include in their cars, especially if they?re heavily into concours. I?m not and never have been.
What I have is a genuine Standard Triumph tools wallet with working press stud and the ST logo with the following items within:

One 1/2? x 7/16 open ended spanner in black
One 1/2? x 9/16 open ended spanner in black
One double ended box spanner 17.8mm and 20.6mm across internal flats. Can?t give you imperial measurements as my callipers only measure in metric.
One box spanner Tommy bar with a screwdriver blade at one end and a nave plate removing hook at the other.
One pair of adjustable opening pliers. These are very slightly rusted but after all they?re not in the bloom of youth!
One tool carry wallet aforesaid.

I hope the picture I?ve attached has come through but email me off list if you don?t receive it with this post. I think this toolkit probably came from my late Father?s Standard Vanguard Vignale from 1959 as the nave plate remover was certainly issued with that model. That said, the same tool also appeared in later Triumphs and especially for cars equipped with imitation Rostyle wheel trims.

Postage from the UK to the States or Canada is 20 dollars US. I don?t know what these are worth to anyone because the sale proceeds, less the P&P, will go to charity and not me.

I?ll keep the auction open until midnight on Friday 28 July. Your bid should include the P&P cost. If there?s more than one winning bid to an identical value, I?ll take the earliest bid based on the receipt time and date. 

Jonmac 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 22 08:59:40 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 08:59:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
Message-ID: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air 
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and 
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But 
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.

From triumph66 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 10:15:28 2023
From: triumph66 at gmail.com (Ted)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:15:28 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with
BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
> for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>
> And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
> tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
> those wheels!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 10:16:22 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 11:16:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
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I had already seen this, yeah, had to squint a bit to see the resemblance,
around the headlights a bit.  Not really working for me, but good that they
are at least thinking about it.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:03 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
> for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>
> And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
> tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
> those wheels!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 22 11:35:46 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:35:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul 22 13:10:16 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 19:10:16 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <F0261850-6FFC-4090-8542-D75FB7B0D6C0@yahoo.com>
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Let the Triumph name live on ONLY in historic cars.  NO NEW TRIUMPHS!!!!!

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 12:36 PM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Doesn?t work for me, but concept cars rarely resemble reality.  Would love to see BMW follow through with something more closely resembling a TR2/3.  ???
Bill B
TS30800L

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jul 22, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com<mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
I had already seen this, yeah, had to squint a bit to see the resemblance, around the headlights a bit.  Not really working for me, but good that they are at least thinking about it.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 10:03 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul 22 13:11:22 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 19:11:22 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>

Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Jul 22 14:39:22 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:39:22 +0100
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
Message-ID: <FEF54B00-6AC7-417A-80A8-481CD09E7301@gmx.com>

I repeat my comment that appeared in another forum. 

Technology to one side, given that BMW has utterly prostituted the appearance of every Rolls Royce since it took ownership of the marque, this styling exercise is an insult to the memories of Siegfried Bettmann, Colonel Holbrook, Donald Healey, Sir John Black and the Triumph name as a whole. BMW also wanted to resurrect the Riley name which it kept after ditching MG Rover and imho Riley is just as much an equal to Triumph and especially pre WW2. 

Jonmac

From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sat Jul 22 15:01:34 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:01:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>

Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?

Here?s another viewpoint?

<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
[GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg]
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
iea.org<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>


Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul 22 15:32:30 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:32:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>,
 <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <a235b8a471ea449388f58259025d44d0@ranteer.com>

EV sales have peaked


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/



________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: Listers
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?

Here?s another viewpoint?

<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
[GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg]
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
iea.org<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>




Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul 22 15:34:54 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 21:34:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>,
 <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <80e6a9dc8bc4438da635fd9d6f46db9e@ranteer.com>

this report is from the electric vehicle association, hardly an unbiased organization


________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: Listers
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?

Here?s another viewpoint?

<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
[GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg]
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
iea.org<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>




Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 22 16:40:30 2023
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 22:40:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1. Future Triumph? (Mark Bradakis)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1690048801.22031.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1690048801.22031.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <184232112.2153427.1690065630378@mail.yahoo.com>

 Thanks for sharing the link for the Future Triumph.?
I would love to be in a new Triumph, but won't be driving a 100% electric car as long as I can avoid it.? I'd also need a two-seater.? Hope they do a few changes on it and come out with a more marketable car.??
AnnTR3ADamiler V8, 2.5LJaguar XF


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Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 08:59:40 -0600
From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
Message-ID: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a at bradakis.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air 
for a few hours.? All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?? If you drink enough gin and 
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.? But 
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.



  
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sat Jul 22 18:26:27 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:26:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <a235b8a471ea449388f58259025d44d0@ranteer.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>,
 <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
 <a235b8a471ea449388f58259025d44d0@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <0BABE008-8B28-432D-92AD-C0BA32962BEA@albiontechnical.com>

Hmmm.  Not exactly ?no go?, or ?EVs are piling up on dealer lots.?

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?

EV sales have peaked


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/



________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: Listers
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?

Here?s another viewpoint?

<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
<GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
iea.org<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>


Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.

Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 18:52:56 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2023 20:52:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <80e6a9dc8bc4438da635fd9d6f46db9e@ranteer.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>
 <416061D2-05C9-4265-9390-FB0619570C1F@albiontechnical.com>
 <80e6a9dc8bc4438da635fd9d6f46db9e@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwi15qvKQ0po8S4OnR70Vwbpd3Z2bmmTEHD+HgxfVafO_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Some might find this recent EV article interesting:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2023/07/14/ev-sales-dropping-cox-automotive-says/70411020007/

Dave

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 8:31 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> this report is from the electric vehicle association, hardly an unbiased
> organization
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01 PM
>
> *To:* dave northrup
> *Cc:* Listers
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
> Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?
>
> Here?s another viewpoint?
>
> [image: GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg]
>
> Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this
> year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
> iea.org
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
>
>
>
> EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ted
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
> *To:* Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> *Cc:* Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
>
>
> Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina
> with BMW.
>
>
>
> Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>
> First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
> for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>
> And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
> tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
> those wheels!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
>
> mjb.
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Jul 22 22:05:35 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 00:05:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <80e6a9dc8bc4438da635fd9d6f46db9e@ranteer.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
 <CAK23-wdjmqXAhVG8-4uxTotzce5qC3pdO=WyTnvqmuiY9of0-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <74669bd5bac849cd845685d1c2c327e3@ranteer.com>
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not unfounded...even Congress has taken notice.? Grilling the motor 
industry that new car prices only went up 6% and electric vehicle prices 
jumped 22% 2022-2023. they ARE selling, like it or not.

ptegler



On 7/22/2023 5:34 PM, dave northrup wrote:
>
> this report is from the electric vehicle association, hardly an 
> unbiased organization
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01 PM
> *To:* dave northrup
> *Cc:* Listers
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
> Really? ?What?s your source for that little nugget?
>
> Here?s another viewpoint?
>
> GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg
> Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% 
> this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA 
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
> iea.org 
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile: ?630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
>>
>> EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting 
>> them
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ted
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
>> *To:* Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>> *Cc:* Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>>
>> Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from 
>> Makkina with BMW.
>>
>> Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>>
>>     First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off
>>     the air
>>     for a few hours.? All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>>
>>     And what do you make of this concept car? If you drink enough gin
>>     and
>>     tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.?
>>     But
>>     those wheels!
>>
>>     https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
>>
>>     mjb.
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From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Sun Jul 23 04:47:45 2023
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 06:47:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph
Message-ID: <f2522b72-b544-32e6-5f0d-8c1180064934@roadrunner.com>

I sent this to Dave but meant to send it to the list. So here it is. My 
take.

The main problem I have is low range and they don't work in the very 
cold like we get up here in NY from mid December through early March. I 
already store my Triumphs in the winter, I would have no garage space 
for an EV. Maybe when they get a 500 mile/tank range like my wife's 
Camry and a 10 minute refill/charge then maybe and yes, they would have 
to operate the same in the winter and that includes heat/defrost.

As far as a 21st century Triumph? I have zero interest. I am quite happy 
with my 20th century versions.

Bob


From mcgaheyrx at aol.com  Sun Jul 23 06:21:36 2023
From: mcgaheyrx at aol.com (CAROLINE MCGAHEY)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 08:21:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jul 23 06:45:33 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <0BABE008-8B28-432D-92AD-C0BA32962BEA@albiontechnical.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
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All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all along "These things will never catch on."
Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve is not being realistic.? There are many supply chain and infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.? Heck, in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for the battery, are less expensive to build.? And battery technology is evolving as we speak.
But back to the topic at hand.? This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of the elements are there but they are not coherent.? The styling does not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Dave 


 

    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:  
 
 Hmmm. ?Not exactly ?no go?, or ?EVs are piling up on dealer lots.?

Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:



?
EV sales have peaked




https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/







From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: Listers
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph??Really? ?What?s your source for that little nugget?
Here?s another viewpoint?

| <GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg> |
| 
| Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEAiea.org |

 |



Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065
Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:



?


Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
 
 ?
 
EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfTed
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
 
 ?
 
Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.
 
 ?
 
Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
 
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
 

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.? All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?? If you drink enough gin and 
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.? But 
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul 23 10:42:46 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:42:46 +0000
Subject: [TR] FYI
Message-ID: <1aa4ba676a364fea9fd3f6b89c6a2fbb@ranteer.com>

Old tires

https://www.hagerty.com/media/opinion/jay-leno-needs-about-1200-tires/?fbclid=IwAR0aJAQN-C30NTKlLn1vLPUQMbSRidtpY6T_3TcvU9ERlvIxC21zB5vsVbQ

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From jdemuth at mac.com  Sun Jul 23 14:22:16 2023
From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 15:22:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Let=E2=80=99s_play_nice?=
Message-ID: <AF3981EB-E512-4D21-B6BD-0C826B14398E@mac.com>

I really don?t care to read somebody?s hissy-fit over the future of electric cars, the future will settle the argument one way or another.

And as for the Triumph25, well, it is a design exercise, some like, some don?t, matter of opinion. But not something to get worked up about.

Sent from my couch

From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 23 14:31:40 2023
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:31:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1690135202.30699.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1690135202.30699.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <161012221.2272789.1690144300933@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dave,
What if it's renamed the TriCasso?
Ann59 TR3A65 Daimler V812 Jaguar XF
Message: 13
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 12:45:33 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, Michael Marr
??? <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
Message-ID: <1705572990.3987223.1690116333571 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all along "These things will never catch on."
Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve is not being realistic.? There are many supply chain and infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.? Heck, in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for the battery, are less expensive to build.? And battery technology is evolving as we speak.
But back to the topic at hand.? This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of the elements are there but they are not coherent.? The styling does not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Dave



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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sun Jul 23 14:33:25 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:33:25 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <1705572990.3987223.1690116333571@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <a0d3dfd9-53af-90e4-2aa9-ae8d0245b08a@bradakis.com>
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Message-ID: <E0F29DA2-A053-4071-9D5A-8FCF5C5E5F1C@albiontechnical.com>

I?m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded on their journey by a man with a red flag?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

?
All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all along "These things will never catch on."

Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve is not being realistic.  There are many supply chain and infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.  Heck, in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.

EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for the battery, are less expensive to build.  And battery technology is evolving as we speak.

But back to the topic at hand.  This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of the elements are there but they are not coherent.  The styling does not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Dave




On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:


Hmmm.  Not exactly ?no go?, or ?EVs are piling up on dealer lots.?

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?

EV sales have peaked


https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/



________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
To: dave northrup
Cc: Listers
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?

Here?s another viewpoint?

<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
<GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
iea.org<https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>


Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?

Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.



EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ted
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?



Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.



Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.

On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From actionsl at att.net  Sun Jul 23 15:03:40 2023
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 14:03:40 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sell cars
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What do you think is the best way to sell my three Triumphs
I?m in the Los Angeles area 

Carl

From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 15:25:32 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 17:25:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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I?m thinking, as others have said, that EV?s are still in the relative
infancy. The ?boom days? for EV?s will come, IMHO, when a significant
breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is, when battery science
allows for rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack
replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT breakthrough
battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV?s but many other
battery-dependent devices?.

Dave

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
wrote:

> I?m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded on their
> journey by a man with a red flag?
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled
> out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking
> all along "These things will never catch on."
>
> Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line
> growth curve is not being realistic.  There are many supply chain and
> infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg
> relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.  Heck, in the early
> days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store
> and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
>
> EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except
> for the battery, are less expensive to build.  And battery technology is
> evolving as we speak.
>
> But back to the topic at hand.  This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in
> the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of
> the elements are there but they are not coherent.  The styling does not
> inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr <
> mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hmmm.  Not exactly ?no go?, or ?EVs are piling up on dealer lots.?
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> EV sales have peaked
>
>
>
> https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
> *To:* dave northrup
> *Cc:* Listers
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
> Really?  What?s your source for that little nugget?
>
> Here?s another viewpoint?
>
> <GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
> Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this
> year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
> iea.org
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
> <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
>
>
>
> EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ted
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
> *To:* Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> *Cc:* Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>
>
>
> Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina
> with BMW.
>
>
>
> Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>
> First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
> for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>
> And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and
> tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But
> those wheels!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
>
> mjb.
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 23 15:48:30 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 21:48:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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 we have been good at keeping politics out of this forum.but ill say its not the bidden admin that wants us to clean up our act. its the planet.we cant keep polluting this one and only planet we have.we have to start doing something and that probably means doing things in lots of different places.electric cars are not 100% yet for distance driving. but its going to get better or we will switch gears to some ting different. hydrogen maybe.as for availability, we took a tour of the auto suppliers recently. wanting to go hybrid before full electric.non on the lots, all on order were accounted for. best availability was about 6 months out.
i like the look of that concept.
Frank
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 12:56:55 PM PDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.
 
 ?
 
EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfTed
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
To: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
 
 ?
 
Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.
 
 ?
 
Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
 
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
 

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air
for a few hours.? All is back again, bits should be flowing.

And what do you make of this concept car?? If you drink enough gin and 
tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.? But 
those wheels!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars

mjb.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 23 15:58:20 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:58:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sell cars
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Lots of places, depending on what they are and condition.  But, why don?t you start here?

Other places:
Facebook TR pages
Facebook Marketplace 
Bring a Trailer
eBay
And more?

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Jul 23, 2023, at 4:48 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:

?What do you think is the best way to sell my three Triumphs
I?m in the Los Angeles area 

Carl
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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 23 17:04:43 2023
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (David Brady)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 23:04:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
Message-ID: <39019a7f-ef4e-c39f-bf2c-9c2654e4bb1f@earthlink.net>

I love my Triumph. It scratches the itch and satisfies all my classic car needs, but I have to say, my Tesla Model Y is a kick to drive. We all know about the quarter mile and 0-60 performance they bring. What I didn't anticipate is the lag free throttle response. There's no downshifting, or delays in the fuel map, or getting on the cam. It's now! The acceleration is instant. I find myself getting into trouble when I get back into an ICE. I mash the throttle expecting instant acceleration but it's not there. The guy is now on my bumper; whereas, with the tesla I'm way out in front. It's a different driving experience and very satisfying!

David Brady
'68 TR250
CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Sent: Jul 23, 2023 6:27 PM
To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?

I&rsquo;m thinking, as others have said, that EV&rsquo;s are still in the relative infancy. The &lsquo;boom days&rsquo; for EV&rsquo;s will come, IMHO, when a significant breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is, when battery science allows for rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) battery-pack replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT breakthrough battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV&rsquo;s but many other battery-dependent devices&hellip;.
 
Dave

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com (mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com)> wrote:
I&rsquo;m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded on their journey by a man with a red flag&hellip; 
Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com (mailto:dave1massey at cs.com)> wrote:


All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T being pulled out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and the farmer thinking all along "These things will never catch on."
 
Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight line growth curve is not being realistic.  There are many supply chain and infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and this is a chicken/egg relationship between these issues and EV acceptance.  Heck, in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy "cleaning solvent" to power their cars.
 
EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable and, except for the battery, are less expensive to build.  And battery technology is evolving as we speak.
 
But back to the topic at hand.  This new "Triumph" resembles the TR3 in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality. Yeah, some of the elements are there but they are not coherent.  The styling does not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for what it's worth.
 
Dave 

 




 
 

On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com (mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com)> wrote:
 
 
Hmmm.  Not exactly &ldquo;no go&rdquo;, or &ldquo;EVs are piling up on dealer lots.&rdquo;Michael Marr 
Mobile:  630-202-0065
 
Sent from my iPad


On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com (mailto:dave at ranteer.com)> wrote:
EV sales have peaked

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/



From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com (mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com)>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PMTo: dave northrupCc: ListersSubject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph? 

Really?  What&rsquo;s your source for that little nugget? 
Here&rsquo;s another viewpoint&hellip;
 
<GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap 35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA (https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022)
iea.org (https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022)



Michael Marr 
Mobile:  630-202-0065
 
Sent from my iPad


On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com (mailto:dave at ranteer.com)> wrote:
 




Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a no go.

EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly rejecting them

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net (mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net)> On Behalf Of TedSent: Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AMTo: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com (mailto:mark at bradakis.com)>Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net (mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net)>Subject: Re: [TR] Future Triumph?


Great to see &amp; thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from Makkina with BMW.



Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com (mailto:mark at bradakis.com)> wrote:

First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers off the air for a few hours.  All is back again, bits should be flowing.And what do you make of this concept car?  If you drink enough gin and tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3 influence.  But those wheels!mjb.**  triumphs at autox.team.net (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars) **Donate:  http://www.team.net/donate.html (http://www.team.net/donate.html)Archive:  http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs (http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs)   http://www.team.net/archive (http://www.team.net/archive)Unsubscribe/Manage:  http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph66 at gmail.com (http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph66 at gmail.com)




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From actionsl at att.net  Sun Jul 23 17:22:27 2023
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 16:22:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sell cars
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What a bunch of nit picking people on bring a trailer and then offer $3000. Think they just want to throw crap

Carl

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Jul 23 17:53:30 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 19:53:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Let=E2=80=99s_play_nice?=
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Well said Joe!
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2023, at 4:34 PM, Joe DeMuth <jdemuth at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I really don?t care to read somebody?s hissy-fit over the future of electric cars, the future will settle the argument one way or another.
> 
> And as for the Triumph25, well, it is a design exercise, some like, some don?t, matter of opinion. But not something to get worked up about.
> 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jul 23 18:01:23 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:01:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Future Triumph?
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keep your eyes open for salt batteries.
But tech dev looks like govt might finally lossen restirctions on the 
the media needed to massively drop the price and faciliate safe hydrogen 
power, which will far outpace future EV developement

ptegler

On 7/23/2023 5:25 PM, David Friedlander wrote:
> I?m thinking, as others have said, that EV?s are still in the relative 
> infancy. The ?boom days? for EV?s will come, IMHO, when a significant 
> breakthrough in battery technology occurs. That is, when battery 
> science allows for rapid recharge, long life and when cheap(er) 
> battery-pack replacements are possible. The company that develops THAT 
> breakthrough battery tech, will revolutionize not only EV?s but many 
> other battery-dependent devices?.
>
> Dave
>
> On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 5:18 PM Michael Marr 
> <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>
>     I?m surprised we have not seen a law requiring EVs to be preceded
>     on their journey by a man with a red flag?
>
>     Mike
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>>     On Jul 23, 2023, at 07:45, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>     All this EV bashing reminds me of the picture of the Model T
>>     being pulled out of the mud but a farmer and a team of horses and
>>     the farmer thinking all along "These things will never catch on."
>>
>>     Anyone who expects a new technology to catch on with a straight
>>     line growth curve is not being realistic.? There are many supply
>>     chain and infrastructure issues that need to be worked out and
>>     this is a chicken/egg relationship between these issues and EV
>>     acceptance.? Heck, in the early days of gas-powered cars drivers
>>     had to stop at the local dry-goods store and buy "cleaning
>>     solvent" to power their cars.
>>
>>     EV's have many fewer moving parts and hence are more reliable
>>     and, except for the battery, are less expensive to build.? And
>>     battery technology is evolving as we speak.
>>
>>     But back to the topic at hand.? This new "Triumph" resembles the
>>     TR3 in the same manner that a Picasso painting resembles reality.
>>     Yeah, some of the elements are there but they are not coherent.?
>>     The styling does not inspire me, but that is just my opinion, for
>>     what it's worth.
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 10:07:28 PM CDT, Michael Marr
>>     <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Hmmm. Not exactly ?no go?, or ?EVs are piling up on dealer lots.?
>>
>>     Michael Marr
>>
>>     Mobile: ?630-202-0065
>>
>>     Sent from my iPad
>>
>>>     On Jul 22, 2023, at 18:48, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ?
>>>
>>>     EV sales have peaked
>>>
>>>
>>>     https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2023/05/08/ev-sales-2023-slowing/70188358007/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>     *From:* Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
>>>     *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 4:01:34 PM
>>>     *To:* dave northrup
>>>     *Cc:* Listers
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>>>     Really? What?s your source for that little nugget?
>>>
>>>     Here?s another viewpoint?
>>>
>>>     <GEVO2023reportcover_Anelectriccarchargingundersolarpannels.jpg>
>>>     Demand for electric cars is booming, with sales expected to leap
>>>     35% this year after a record-breaking 2022 - News - IEA
>>>     <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>>>     iea.org
>>>     <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>>>
>>>     <https://www.iea.org/news/demand-for-electric-cars-is-booming-with-sales-expected-to-leap-35-this-year-after-a-record-breaking-2022>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Michael Marr
>>>
>>>     Mobile: ?630-202-0065
>>>
>>>     Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>>     On Jul 22, 2023, at 14:52, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     ?
>>
>>     Despite what the Biden administration wants, electric cars are a
>>     no go.
>>
>>     EVs are piling up on dealer lots as consumers are correctly
>>     rejecting them
>>
>>     *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Ted
>>     *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2023 11:15 AM
>>     *To:* Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>>     *Cc:* Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [TR] Future Triumph?
>>
>>     Great to see & thanks for sharing the concept's evolution from
>>     Makkina with BMW.
>>
>>     Will be interesting to see if BMW hits to the e-go button.
>>
>>     On Sat, Jul 22, 2023, 11:13 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>>     wrote:
>>
>>         First off, had a power outage yesterday that had the servers
>>         off the air
>>         for a few hours.? All is back again, bits should be flowing.
>>
>>         And what do you make of this concept car?? If you drink
>>         enough gin and
>>         tonics and squint just right, you might see the TR2/3
>>         influence.? But
>>         those wheels!
>>
>>         https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/article-12298467/Triumph-TR25-electric-concept-unveiled-iconic-British-brand-returning.html?ico=mol_desktop_moneycars
>>
>>         mjb.
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 18:32:44 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2023 20:32:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Let=E2=80=99s_play_nice?=
In-Reply-To: <AF3981EB-E512-4D21-B6BD-0C826B14398E@mac.com>
References: <AF3981EB-E512-4D21-B6BD-0C826B14398E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgVDkH_FBu3_aDw3Qw9aobXt7r+goeL3UNBX+KuGe3aWQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don?t think anyone?s too worked up, Joe. And, if there is, that?s what
the Delete button is for?.

On Sun, Jul 23, 2023 at 4:28 PM Joe DeMuth <jdemuth at mac.com> wrote:

> I really don?t care to read somebody?s hissy-fit over the future of
> electric cars, the future will settle the argument one way or another.
>
> And as for the Triumph25, well, it is a design exercise, some like, some
> don?t, matter of opinion. But not something to get worked up about.
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jul 23 22:43:08 2023
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 00:43:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sell cars
In-Reply-To: <A0D26DD7-9181-4A59-8B5E-DD140016D573@att.net>
References: <A0D26DD7-9181-4A59-8B5E-DD140016D573.ref@att.net>
 <A0D26DD7-9181-4A59-8B5E-DD140016D573@att.net>
Message-ID: <20d067dd-b6d3-fd51-484b-c071f045ea58@verizon.net>

yep...seems like some of them use that site like a chat room. no life of 
their own so tear down others.? Simply ignore anyone NOT bidding. You 
can also mark comments as non-productive...gets them booted if they're 
not bidders.

ptegler

On 7/23/2023 7:22 PM, Carl Carlson wrote:
> What a bunch of nit picking people on bring a trailer and then offer $3000. Think they just want to throw crap
>
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Mon Jul 24 08:17:53 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:17:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 front engine lifting bracket wanted
Message-ID: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>


Looking for a front engine lifting bracket for a four cylinder wet liner engine. They are NLA from the usual sources. Anyone have a spare or unwanted one?
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 down for rebuild since 1996
Sent from my iPhone

From tfansher at comcast.net  Mon Jul 24 08:17:53 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 10:17:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 front engine lifting bracket wanted
Message-ID: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>


Looking for a front engine lifting bracket for a four cylinder wet liner engine. They are NLA from the usual sources. Anyone have a spare or unwanted one?
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 down for rebuild since 1996
Sent from my iPhone

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 24 08:43:41 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 09:43:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 front engine lifting bracket wanted
In-Reply-To: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>
References: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001d01d9be3d$3e320bd0$ba962370$@yahoo.com>

I have an extra rear one you are welcome to.....
Bill B

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Fansher
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 9:18 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 front engine lifting bracket wanted


Looking for a front engine lifting bracket for a four cylinder wet liner
engine. They are NLA from the usual sources. Anyone have a spare or unwanted
one?
TIA
Tom Fansher
61 TR3A since 1972
62 TR4 down for rebuild since 1996
Sent from my iPhone
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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 11:00:29 2023
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2023 12:00:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 front engine lifting bracket wanted
In-Reply-To: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>
References: <93F6EE9E-C524-4674-9CAD-A49A43065604@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAOp9YTKAajkPFUPAb0zi6FuuQU-MSdqhykjTWHkWpP8wxbADKA@mail.gmail.com>

If you are not after originality and just need something functional for
lifting the engine, I bought a few lifting tabs from A&A Manufacturing
several years ago and they have been extremely handy to have around for
miscellaneous tasks, and they are not too expensive:

https://www.aa-mfg.com/product/engine-lift-tab-1-hole-1-2-hole/
https://www.aa-mfg.com/product/aa-389-a-45-degree-bend/
https://www.aa-mfg.com/product/aa-389-b-flat/

I bought the 45 degree ones and just bolt them in a convenient place for
the lift and then take them off when done.

Hope this helps,
Mike


On Mon, Jul 24, 2023 at 9:34?AM Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Looking for a front engine lifting bracket for a four cylinder wet liner
> engine. They are NLA from the usual sources. Anyone have a spare or
> unwanted one?
> TIA
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR3A since 1972
> 62 TR4 down for rebuild since 1996
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Tue Jul 25 10:10:12 2023
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 16:10:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's
Message-ID: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Recent study found that when production is included, EV's, especially long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.   Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.  Battery tech needs to change a lot.
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Jul 25 18:14:40 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2023 20:14:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's
In-Reply-To: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <007101d9bf56$2c0666d0$84133470$@charter.net>

That's right! And we all know that batteries are only a fuel tank - they
produce no power on their own except for disposable flashlight batteries.
The real question is where will the electric power come from.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter
Arakelian
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's

 

Recent study found that when production is included, EV's, especially long
distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.
Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.
Battery tech needs to change a lot.

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jul 26 06:06:57 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 12:06:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's
In-Reply-To: <007101d9bf56$2c0666d0$84133470$@charter.net>
References: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <007101d9bf56$2c0666d0$84133470$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <229109056.5443401.1690373217742@mail.yahoo.com>

And that's a moving target.? EV's don't care and as more and more alternative energy sources come on line there is no need to modify the mobile fleet.? Consider it future-proofing.

Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 07:44:15 PM CDT, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 
That?s right! And we all know that batteries are only a fuel tank ? they produce no power on their own except for disposable flashlight batteries. The real question is where will the electric power come from.

 ?

Alex Thomson

 ?

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2023 12:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's

 ?

Recent study found that when production is included, EV?s, especially long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.? ?Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.? Battery tech needs to change a lot.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 14:37:34 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2023 16:37:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] future Triumph - EV's
In-Reply-To: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <SA1P223MB0606FB118A3FC5CCB84E2D7AC103A@SA1P223MB0606.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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"Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint."

Now that there are batteries to recycle, and the process exists to
recycle them, it may be time to revisit the calculation that gave that
result.

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 12:26?PM Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Recent study found that when production is included, EV?s, especially long distance ones, actually have a carbon footprint greater than modern cars.   Making those batteries, at least the current ones, leaves a big footprint.  Battery tech needs to change a lot.
>
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From paradisemusicnc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 15:04:02 2023
From: paradisemusicnc at gmail.com (Bryan Loy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:04:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Selling the 6
Message-ID: <CAPe+S2TMBBxjN=PW8ZcBL9cjUPRm1bc3p=GLDGAiJ2DyvowhsA@mail.gmail.com>

After 25+ years of ownership, I have decided to sell my '71 TR6.  I don't
drive it as much as i used to, in all honesty, I'm too busy with other
things to give it the devotion it needs.
    I would like to offer it to anyone on this list that would like to
purchase it, before listing it publicly.  It has been a very good car, and
while it has fallen into disarray, I feel that it is a good project for
someone that would like to restore it to its former glory.
   Here's the deal on the car:  The engine was rebuilt about 20 years ago
by myself and my cousin, who is a certified Porsche/Audi mechanic.  We
bored it .40 over, put in a mild cam, had the crank  cleaned up, put in new
pistons of course and  left everything else alone.  Nothing was spared on
making the engine right.  It has had probably 5K miles put on since then,
and it will pull strong.  New clutch, TOB, all that stuff, and has the
Landcruiser shifter fork and all that.  It was built right.
   The last time it was run was April of 2022.  I'm ashamed to say it, but
it's the truth.  She deserves better than I can give her.  I will probably
start and run with some TLC, but she really needs new carbs.  These were
cleaned up in early spring of 22, they're not really as good as they should
be.
   Brake system was good at last drive, I converted it over to DOT5 some
years ago, it was done properly, and has given no trouble since.
   Bodywise, I had a friend of mine paint the car, it was done as well as
he could do it, but in no way is it a high dollar paint job.  The code on
the car is senia, but when I got the car, it had already been resprayed to
maroon, so I left it at that color.  It has one small "Boo-Boo, near the
left headlight, won't take a fortune to fix it, but it is there.
   There is some bubbling under the paint on the rear deck lid, I would
recommend that this be addressed pretty quickly.  Otherwise, the body's
pretty good.  The frame is straight, has never been wrecked.  I would say
that all the rubbers, windshield, windows, etc. should be replaced, but
that will be up to the buyer.  The top is shot, but I have a new
one(different color, i was going to convert to biscuit) I will throw in.
   The interior is complete, but is rough.  needs a new tranny tunnel,
carpet, dash, glovebox, etc.  I have pictures I will include if I can get
them on here.  Not hiding anything, this car is an open book, I'll be happy
to answer any questions as honestly as I can.
    I haven't set a price on the car, I figured that y'all would know more
about that than I would.  I don't want to give it away, but I do want to be
fair about it.  Advice is welcome.
    The car is located in Franklin, N.C.  about 1.5 hours west of
Ashville.  For those that don't know, that's about 2.5 hours from
Knoxville, Tn.   Feel free to ask any questions you may have.  Thanks!
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From paradisemusicnc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 15:11:23 2023
From: paradisemusicnc at gmail.com (Bryan Loy)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:11:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Help!
Message-ID: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>

'71
I'm putting my '71 TR6 up for sale,  and I would like to offer it to the
group first, plus I would like opinions on its value.  I typed a history of
the car, and had lots of photos, but it didn't come through on the list.
What is the best way to get photos to the list members?  Thanks
in advance.
-- 
Bryan C. Loy
Paradise Music
Franklin, N.C.
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 21:24:28 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:24:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Help!
In-Reply-To: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAhPp04ZmANnRKBO1J7VZD_bb_N=aTS36q8JuH8+YHVZQ@mail.gmail.com>

All your earlier stuff came through to my inbox, Bryan.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:17?PM Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> '71
> I'm putting my '71 TR6 up for sale,  and I would like to offer it to the
> group first, plus I would like opinions on its value.  I typed a history of
> the car, and had lots of photos, but it didn't come through on the list.
> What is the best way to get photos to the list members?  Thanks
> in advance.
> --
> Bryan C. Loy
> Paradise Music
> Franklin, N.C.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 27 21:38:13 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2023 21:38:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Help!
In-Reply-To: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/27/23 3:11 PM, Bryan Loy wrote:
> '71
> I'm putting my '71 TR6 up for sale,? and I would like to offer it to the 
> group first, plus I would?like opinions?on its value.? I typed a history 
> of the car, and had lots of photos, but it didn't come through on the 
> list.? What is the best way to get photos to the list members?? Thanks 
> in?advance.

Your "Selling the 6" post came through just fine.  I don't understand 
what you mean about it not coming through.

mjb.


From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 06:45:01 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 07:45:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Help!
In-Reply-To: <8681bb2f-dd7e-50f7-c822-94487ed6484b@bradakis.com>
References: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFtw3abNZz8rGktOY76hE2q+=qYSuo0HCdgUXQzL_jnfLLk6kw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Since I went to Gmail I never see my own posts to the list in spam or
anywhere, I think they come through.  I occasionally get responses.  Maybe
similar situation here.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jul 28, 2023, 3:08 AM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 7/27/23 3:11 PM, Bryan Loy wrote:
> > '71
> > I'm putting my '71 TR6 up for sale,  and I would like to offer it to the
> > group first, plus I would like opinions on its value.  I typed a history
> > of the car, and had lots of photos, but it didn't come through on the
> > list.  What is the best way to get photos to the list members?  Thanks
> > in advance.
>
> Your "Selling the 6" post came through just fine.  I don't understand
> what you mean about it not coming through.
>
> mjb.
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From paradisemusicnc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 09:51:34 2023
From: paradisemusicnc at gmail.com (Bryan Loy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:51:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] Help!
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAhPp04ZmANnRKBO1J7VZD_bb_N=aTS36q8JuH8+YHVZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPe+S2QU=ij-ygdC4UgcEq8Vkt=gwAmQLShAjpZ3cnKRVm0zxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFAhPp04ZmANnRKBO1J7VZD_bb_N=aTS36q8JuH8+YHVZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks everyone.  If anyone wants it, get in touch w/me. I will give the
list some time before I post it anywhere else.  I would like to seer it go
to a good home, but it is going to go somewhere.  Too many cars.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 11:24?PM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> All your earlier stuff came through to my inbox, Bryan.
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2023 at 10:17?PM Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> '71
>> I'm putting my '71 TR6 up for sale,  and I would like to offer it to the
>> group first, plus I would like opinions on its value.  I typed a history of
>> the car, and had lots of photos, but it didn't come through on the list.
>> What is the best way to get photos to the list members?  Thanks
>> in advance.
>> --
>> Bryan C. Loy
>> Paradise Music
>> Franklin, N.C.
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs
>> http://www.team.net/archive
>>
>> Unsubscribe/Manage:
>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com
>>
>

-- 
Bryan C. Loy
Paradise Music
Franklin, N.C.
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Jul 30 19:38:37 2023
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 19:38:37 -0600
Subject: [TR] More on the "Triumph" concept car.
Message-ID: <0f7728c4-83cf-af9c-fa2c-ae1cc83ce58d@bradakis.com>


https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/triumph-name-returns-with-stunning-tr25-concept/47434

mjb.

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 20:17:13 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2023 21:17:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] More on the "Triumph" concept car.
In-Reply-To: <0f7728c4-83cf-af9c-fa2c-ae1cc83ce58d@bradakis.com>
References: <0f7728c4-83cf-af9c-fa2c-ae1cc83ce58d@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCvMnBPQQKvwRdvLqQNN0CocuGhL7dyXkcNOAmT4XJFuA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm among a vanishingly small group on this list, but I like the TR25.  As
a concept it's a stunning reimagination of the original TR2.

On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 9:02?PM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>
>
> https://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-britishcars/triumph-name-returns-with-stunning-tr25-concept/47434
>
> mjb.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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