[TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire

[albert runyan]

David Northrup-
I think you have being an "asshole" confused with being a "patriot". Have
you ever heard of being a "gentleman"?

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Cheers
Albert
TRF
Onward and Upward

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:04 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Against my better judgement.  Whether your statements are actionable is
> debatable.
>
> However, the actionable in this case has nothing to do with free speech
> and government action.  Freedom of speech relates to the limitations on the
> government taking action against you based on something you said (or wrote
> or otherwise communicated).
>
> That doesn't keep a party who may be injured or damaged by something you
> say either verbally or in writing from suing you in a civil action.  Or as
> I like to say, in this great country of ours anybody can sue anybody for
> anything.
>
> Please don't make it political when it is not.   Kind of a sad state of
> affairs when every little thing that doesn't go somebody's way or is
> perceived as an attack, insult, or slight, has to attributed to one "side"
> or the other .
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 8:58 AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>> suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of
>> the law and the constitution.
>>
>>
>>
>> despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats
>> have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly
>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>> the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this.  the fire
>> occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, including
>> the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around.  And, if as some
>> have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel
>> to the fire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
>> *To:* Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <
>> triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry and Steve,
>>
>> Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positing
>> such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts
>> and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and
>> TRF employees.  TRF has been an important family member to me for the past
>> 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community.  My
>> grandmother always taught me that if you don’t have something good to say
>> then don’t say it.
>>
>> Jim Henningsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39 AM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are
>> speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill
>> will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now
>> the owner of TRF, not his father.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire
>> got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep
>> the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from
>> Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I
>> understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in
>> 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in
>> the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small
>> compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling
>> patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of
>> the fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on
>> our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful
>> current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what
>> happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were
>> treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire
>> was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect
>> the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have
>> brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a
>> different building and seemed to have survived.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
>>
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