From 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com  Fri Dec  1 08:20:52 2023
From: 1959triumphtr3a at gmail.com (Ken Gano)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 09:20:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois
Message-ID: <48E988EC-2BA6-4C4E-8803-E9EEED8FD8C1@gmail.com>

https://bauerauction.hibid.com/lot/178078265/1959-triumph-tr3a-2-door-sports-car

NFI. Just passing this one along

Ken Gano

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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec  1 10:17:50 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:17:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois
In-Reply-To: <48E988EC-2BA6-4C4E-8803-E9EEED8FD8C1@gmail.com>
References: <48E988EC-2BA6-4C4E-8803-E9EEED8FD8C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3df76598e5fa4b379a4b9ebfeea3f712@ranteer.com>

Am I missing something?  In the video and one of the pictures, the steering wheel is very dark; perhaps the original bakelite;  in another picture there is a nice wood wheel.



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ken Gano
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 9:21 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois

https://bauerauction.hibid.com/lot/178078265/1959-triumph-tr3a-2-door-sports-car

NFI. Just passing this one along

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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec  1 10:47:13 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 17:47:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads
In-Reply-To: <3df76598e5fa4b379a4b9ebfeea3f712@ranteer.com>
References: <48E988EC-2BA6-4C4E-8803-E9EEED8FD8C1@gmail.com>
 <3df76598e5fa4b379a4b9ebfeea3f712@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <0e4c30caba284ecab9adbc5a563f2447@ranteer.com>

A number of years ago we bought upgraded front brake pads for our 72.  They worked really well, maybe too well as the brakes are now making a grinding noise and I?m thinking its time to get new ones.  But I can?t find and info on those pads.

Any recommendations on where I should go?  We do a lot of autocrossing and drive the car pretty hard


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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  1 11:48:27 2023
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2023 18:48:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads
Message-ID: <af265b6c-08f3-61b2-ab29-b43fec3fd24a@earthlink.net>

EBC brake pads?
https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/213.php#navbar
or regular and semi-metalic at
https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/212.php

Brian K


-----Original Message-----
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Dec 1, 2023 9:50 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads

A number of years ago we bought upgraded front brake pads for our 72.  They worked really well, maybe too well as the brakes are now making a grinding noise and I&rsquo;m thinking its time to get new ones.  But I can&rsquo;t find and info on those pads.

Any recommendations on where I should go?  We do a lot of autocrossing and drive the car pretty hard







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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Dec  1 14:01:18 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 21:01:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois
In-Reply-To: <3df76598e5fa4b379a4b9ebfeea3f712@ranteer.com>
References: <48E988EC-2BA6-4C4E-8803-E9EEED8FD8C1@gmail.com>
 <3df76598e5fa4b379a4b9ebfeea3f712@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB765515F954B9EC7E21FEC38BCA81A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I don?t know about the steering wheel, but it might have been idea not to show the driver grinding going into first gear !!


From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 12:18 PM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois

Am I missing something?  In the video and one of the pictures, the steering wheel is very dark; perhaps the original bakelite;  in another picture there is a nice wood wheel.



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Ken Gano
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 9:21 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] TR3 at auction Central Illinois

https://bauerauction.hibid.com/lot/178078265/1959-triumph-tr3a-2-door-sports-car

NFI. Just passing this one along

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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  1 16:47:53 2023
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 23:47:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads
In-Reply-To: <af265b6c-08f3-61b2-ab29-b43fec3fd24a@earthlink.net>
References: <af265b6c-08f3-61b2-ab29-b43fec3fd24a@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BL3PR10MB621152B09A2524762EB74A67B981A@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

I second the vote on EBC.  Made a big difference to in my TR6 just putting in Greenpads.  Amazon surprisingly has good prices for them at times.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:29?PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:

?

EBC brake pads?

https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/213.php#navbar

or regular and semi-metalic at

https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/212.php



Brian K





-----Original Message-----
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Dec 1, 2023 9:50 AM
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads


A number of years ago we bought upgraded front brake pads for our 72.  They worked really well, maybe too well as the brakes are now making a grinding noise and I?m thinking its time to get new ones.  But I can?t find and info on those pads.

Any recommendations on where I should go?  We do a lot of autocrossing and drive the car pretty hard





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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Dec  1 19:15:37 2023
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 19:15:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads
In-Reply-To: <BL3PR10MB621152B09A2524762EB74A67B981A@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <af265b6c-08f3-61b2-ab29-b43fec3fd24a@earthlink.net>
 <BL3PR10MB621152B09A2524762EB74A67B981A@BL3PR10MB6211.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BF43A2EC-BB18-4954-BE80-E0C3E7FB8E70@comcast.net>

I?ve been using KFP pads on my TR6 for years and they?ve been great for auto crossing and daily driving. 

They smell like fried chicken when they get warmed up for some odd reason. :)

http://www.racing-stuff.com/kfp%20magnum.htm <http://www.racing-stuff.com/kfp%20magnum.htm>

Bud

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

> On Dec 1, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I second the vote on EBC.  Made a big difference to in my TR6 just putting in Greenpads.  Amazon surprisingly has good prices for them at times.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 1, 2023, at 1:29?PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> EBC brake pads?
>> https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/213.php#navbar <https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/213.php#navbar>
>> or regular and semi-metalic at
>> https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/212.php <https://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/212.php>
>>  
>> Brian K
>>  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Sent: Dec 1, 2023 9:50 AM
>> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] TR6 upgraded brake pads
>> 
>>  
>> A number of years ago we bought upgraded front brake pads for our 72.  They worked really well, maybe too well as the brakes are now making a grinding noise and I?m thinking its time to get new ones.  But I can?t find and info on those pads.
>> 
>>  
>> Any recommendations on where I should go?  We do a lot of autocrossing and drive the car pretty hard
>> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
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From baltoalpine at gmail.com  Sat Dec  2 09:08:47 2023
From: baltoalpine at gmail.com (baltoalpine at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 11:08:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Engine Rear Seal
Message-ID: <058401da2539$d50aa860$7f1ff920$@gmail.com>

Hi guys,

 

I know this has been discussed in the past but I'm stuck. I have the engine
out and on a stand, upside down for good access. I got the no-machining seal
from Moss and have the seal on, spring in place, and split oriented towards
the top of the engine, but every time I try to set the crank back into the
bearings the seal bunches up at the rear bearing cap joint.  I had the end
cap on, but not tight. I plan to remove the end cap, clean up the Permatex,
and try without the cap, hoping I can get the seal into place.

 

Am I missing something here?

 

Joe 

'57 TR3

'75 Spit (needs engine rebuild)

'58 MGA (in long term resto)

'67 Alpine (the driver)

'53 Sunbeam -Talbot (just back from engine rebuild)

'54 Sunbeam - Talbot (quietly awaiting attention)

'60 Hillman Minx (source of much frustration)

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From drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec  2 09:53:17 2023
From: drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net (Drew Cook)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 10:53:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>

I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?

Sent from my iPhone: but I don?t trust Apple!

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  2 10:10:03 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 11:10:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
In-Reply-To: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <46243208-268D-43AD-827D-6749B54A2362@yahoo.com>

Changed at TS60001
Bill

?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

On Dec 2, 2023, at 11:00?AM, Drew Cook <drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

?I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Dec  2 10:23:33 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 17:23:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
In-Reply-To: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B.ref@sbcglobal.net>,
 <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4be38d03225e47be8a338e052aaadba4@ranteer.com>

TS60,000


-------- Original message --------
From: Drew Cook <drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net>
Date: 12/2/23 9:22 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)

I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  2 11:08:24 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 18:08:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
In-Reply-To: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <433655665.5878004.1701540504288@mail.yahoo.com>

 change made at TS60000Frank
    On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 09:13:59 AM PST, Drew Cook <drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Dec  2 11:45:05 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 18:45:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
In-Reply-To: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB7655E9905055C086C86DFC3FCA80A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Around TS 60,000, Oct 1959.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Drew Cook
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 11:53 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)

I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Dec  2 12:07:02 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 11:07:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3A trunk lids (boots)
In-Reply-To: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <475C9481-913F-425B-B2E9-5DBA8A530B8B@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <829985597.540350.1701544022475@connect.xfinity.com>

Yep, TS60,000 was the change to what is sometimes referred as raised plinths for the hinges.  Also, at that point there was no longer any wood used in the doors and the inner door became a one piece stamping and had rounded lower corners and the hinges switched from solid brass to stamped steel.  The rear floor was simplified to a flat design. 
Dave H.  
  
> On 12/02/2023 8:53 AM PST Drew Cook <drewmann1962 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> I got a bunch of spare body parts with my 58 TR3A. One of my trunk lids has flat mounts for the trunk hinges, but the one on the car is raised. Anyone know when the change was made?
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Dec  2 13:59:32 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2023 12:59:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR2-3 body panels and other items available
Message-ID: <1726397602.524191.1701550772919@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello TR listers,
Speaking of trunk lids.  I happen to have a few each of all 3 iterations of trunk lids.  All in very good usable condition with no rust through issues.  A few with luggage racks.
I also have all 3 iterations of doors.  TR2-3, 3A and post 60,000VIN. No long doors. 
A few decent fenders and a number of hoods.  No early TR2 hoods.  
I also have multiples of convertible top frames and side curtain frames for rebuilding.
And, just about any other part that you might find on a TR2 or 3.  
Front aprons are something that I do not have as spares to sell. 
I've had these items for a number of years and I should really try to move a few things along.  I have been helping many TR folks through word of mouth in recent years and I wouldn't mind the extra effort to share more widely if someone needs something.  Of course shipping of panels can be a pain and costly.  
I have suspension, steering, engine and gearbox items too.  
Feel free to call.
Cheers,
Dave Hogye
Santa Cruz, CA
831-234-4928
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec  5 12:27:28 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2023 19:27:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 Paint
Message-ID: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>

Its an early 59, TS44871 LO, and it looks like it was a light blue.  I'm not concerned about concours correctness, but I'd like to find a stock color (any manufacturer) that is pretty close to what it was originally.  Anyone have any recommendations?



Also, the interior was a dark blue with white trim, which I like.  Anyone have any pictures of that combination or something close?
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Dec  6 06:44:47 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 13:44:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 Engine Rear Seal
In-Reply-To: <058401da2539$d50aa860$7f1ff920$@gmail.com>
References: <058401da2539$d50aa860$7f1ff920$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB76555FF8E80763733BD3CE5FCA84A@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Any update?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of baltoalpine at gmail.com
Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2023 11:09 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 Engine Rear Seal

Hi guys,

I know this has been discussed in the past but I'm stuck. I have the engine out and on a stand, upside down for good access. I got the no-machining seal from Moss and have the seal on, spring in place, and split oriented towards the top of the engine, but every time I try to set the crank back into the bearings the seal bunches up at the rear bearing cap joint.  I had the end cap on, but not tight. I plan to remove the end cap, clean up the Permatex, and try without the cap, hoping I can get the seal into place.

Am I missing something here?

Joe
'57 TR3
'75 Spit (needs engine rebuild)
'58 MGA (in long term resto)
'67 Alpine (the driver)
'53 Sunbeam -Talbot (just back from engine rebuild)
'54 Sunbeam - Talbot (quietly awaiting attention)
'60 Hillman Minx (source of much frustration)
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From lee at automate-it.com  Wed Dec  6 07:54:44 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 08:54:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
References: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
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You can find a comprehensive list of Triumph paint codes here:

   http://automate-it.com/lee/TriumphPaintCodes.html

but I don't know specifically which one it is! I remember images of 
paint-chip cards for Triumph floating among the interwebs at some point 
but no idea where.

  Lee

On 2023-12-05 13:27, dave northrup wrote:

> Its an early 59, TS44871 LO, and it looks like it was a light blue.  
> I'm not concerned about concours correctness, but I'd like to find a 
> stock color (any manufacturer) that is pretty close to what it was 
> originally.  Anyone have any recommendations?
> 
> Also, the interior was a dark blue with white trim, which I like.  
> Anyone have any pictures of that combination or something close?
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From lee at automate-it.com  Wed Dec  6 08:05:38 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 09:05:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <12a6f7d9d01c278fb5628ff2beeb98d2@automate-it.com>
References: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
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Ah, much better one here (sorted by model, etc.):

   https://rimmerbros.com/c/Triumph-Paint-Chart

Lee

On 2023-12-06 08:54, lee at automate-it.com wrote:

> You can find a comprehensive list of Triumph paint codes here:
> 
> http://automate-it.com/lee/TriumphPaintCodes.html
> 
> but I don't know specifically which one it is! I remember images of 
> paint-chip cards for Triumph floating among the interwebs at some point 
> but no idea where.
> 
> Lee
> 
> On 2023-12-05 13:27, dave northrup wrote:
> 
>> Its an early 59, TS44871 LO, and it looks like it was a light blue.  
>> I'm not concerned about concours correctness, but I'd like to find a 
>> stock color (any manufacturer) that is pretty close to what it was 
>> originally.  Anyone have any recommendations?
>> 
>> Also, the interior was a dark blue with white trim, which I like.  
>> Anyone have any pictures of that combination or something close?
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 09:16:14 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 11:16:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
References: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
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[image: TR3.jpg]

Not sure if you're looking for an original Triumph color or what the
market currently has to offer. There are probably many thousands
of shades of blue paint colors. I used Chevrolet color 727U (Bluebell
Blue), available through many outlets.

Dave


On Wed, Dec 6, 2023 at 1:07?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Its an early 59, TS44871 LO, and it looks like it was a light blue.  I?m
> not concerned about concours correctness, but I?d like to find a stock
> color (any manufacturer) that is pretty close to what it was originally.
> Anyone have any recommendations?
>
>
>
> Also, the interior was a dark blue with white trim, which I like.  Anyone
> have any pictures of that combination or something close?
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Dec  6 10:59:25 2023
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 12:59:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <12a6f7d9d01c278fb5628ff2beeb98d2@automate-it.com>
References: <cf4be877c34d4c25aaa47b382fdb4900@ranteer.com>
 <12a6f7d9d01c278fb5628ff2beeb98d2@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <13439927.706061.1701885565335@myemail.cox.net>

I wonder who cloned my paint chart.  Here is what I have accumulated over the years.  
 
Notice the similarity!
 
http://www.spitlist.info/Paint.html
 
Joe

> On 12/06/2023 9:54 AM EST lee at automate-it.com wrote:
>  
>  
> 
> You can find a comprehensive list of Triumph paint codes here:
> 
>   http://automate-it.com/lee/TriumphPaintCodes.html
> 
> but I don't know specifically which one it is! I remember images of paint-chip cards for Triumph floating among the interwebs at some point but no idea where.
> 
>  Lee
> 
>  
> 
> On 2023-12-05 13:27, dave northrup wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Its an early 59, TS44871 LO, and it looks like it was a light blue.  I?m not concerned about concours correctness, but I?d like to find a stock color (any manufacturer) that is pretty close to what it was originally.  Anyone have any recommendations?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Also, the interior was a dark blue with white trim, which I like.  Anyone have any pictures of that combination or something close?
> > 
> > 
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > 
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Wed Dec  6 18:24:10 2023
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 17:24:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint
References: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>

I recently purchased Signal Red paint from TCP Global.? If you telephone 
and speak with the salesperson they can mix Triumph colours from their 
database.

The web site is;

https://tcpglobal.com


Their phone number is 1-858-909-2110.? All they needed was the name of 
the colour and the make/year of the car.


They have several types of paint.? I chose acrylic polyurethane my self 
but you will need to know which one you want to use when you call them.


It is not cheap but no good automotive paint is.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 18:57:20 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 19:57:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
References: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3.ref@att.net>
 <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYqjxsqccJiapryR-0NPKOb5Uw0dKsL9vpKAhC_WY5L9g@mail.gmail.com>

I ordered the same, also half as expensive than the local paint store.

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Wed, Dec 6, 2023, 7:36 PM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

> I recently purchased Signal Red paint from TCP Global.  If you telephone
> and speak with the salesperson they can mix Triumph colours from their
> database.
>
> The web site is;
>
> https://tcpglobal.com
>
>
> Their phone number is 1-858-909-2110.  All they needed was the name of
> the colour and the make/year of the car.
>
>
> They have several types of paint.  I chose acrylic polyurethane my self
> but you will need to know which one you want to use when you call them.
>
>
> It is not cheap but no good automotive paint is.
>
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
>
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Wed Dec  6 19:00:21 2023
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 19:00:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
References: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3.ref@att.net>
 <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
Message-ID: <00b301da28b1$247041b0$6d50c510$@triumphstagclub.org>

Ed, 
IIRC, your Stag is Mimosa?  Did you get any Mimosa paint from them for your Stag?

Glenn aka StagByTriumph Garage

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Q
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 6:24 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint

I recently purchased Signal Red paint from TCP Global.  If you telephone and speak with the salesperson they can mix Triumph colours from their database.

The web site is;

https://tcpglobal.com


Their phone number is 1-858-909-2110.  All they needed was the name of the colour and the make/year of the car.


They have several types of paint.  I chose acrylic polyurethane my self 
but you will need to know which one you want to use when you call them.


It is not cheap but no good automotive paint is.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  6 19:13:11 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (trguy75 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2023 21:13:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
References: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3.ref@att.net>
 <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
Message-ID: <026001da28b2$edf64380$c9e2ca80$@gmail.com>

I have used this site and found the ppg codes to being a very nice match.  My local paint shop can mix up the regular auto paint an can also make custom spray cans in non gloss and gloss.  Just used them for my 67 4A white and it is a perfect creamy white.  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala


https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?make=Triumph



-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Q
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 8:24 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint

I recently purchased Signal Red paint from TCP Global.  If you telephone and speak with the salesperson they can mix Triumph colours from their database.

The web site is;

https://tcpglobal.com


Their phone number is 1-858-909-2110.  All they needed was the name of the colour and the make/year of the car.


They have several types of paint.  I chose acrylic polyurethane my self 
but you will need to know which one you want to use when you call them.


It is not cheap but no good automotive paint is.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Dec  6 20:59:13 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2023 03:59:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 front spoiler
Message-ID: <0343d78d2123452e88620b12bc1da5be@ranteer.com>

Does anyone make a front spoiler for a TR3?
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  7 18:14:37 2023
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2023 01:14:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint
In-Reply-To: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3@att.net>
References: <71aac2c7-cabe-4e3f-bdf8-8d4e6eeda4b3.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <BN9PR14MB5068D5894EA818E6B8836EFBBA8AA@BN9PR14MB5068.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

WOW,  I had no idea they had such a database! I just painted my TR6 and tried TCP paint and it was really really good. I ended up going with  PPG Omni to get the color I wanted. It was nowhere near the quality paint that TCP was.

Marty
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 8:24 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Ref. TR3 Paint

I recently purchased Signal Red paint from TCP Global.  If you telephone
and speak with the salesperson they can mix Triumph colours from their
database.

The web site is;

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftcpglobal.com%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C029d7523fa0e408eddee08dbf6c7026a%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638375106819290792%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=w5cgLqmaEAPDsUsNdfdhyYvfYgxEy3nXX5szzsLfQQE%3D&reserved=0<https://tcpglobal.com/>


Their phone number is 1-858-909-2110.  All they needed was the name of
the colour and the make/year of the car.


They have several types of paint.  I chose acrylic polyurethane my self
but you will need to know which one you want to use when you call them.


It is not cheap but no good automotive paint is.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sat Dec  9 06:49:40 2023
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (CFM-TR)
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2023 08:49:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 front spoiler
References: <c8e88181-b689-4934-ba90-ce1d51cc7523.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <c8e88181-b689-4934-ba90-ce1d51cc7523@verizon.net>

Although not a spoiler, I made a protection plate for the aluminum oil pan on my car.? In effect it forces the air down and creates a vacuum affect taking the heat of the engine below the engine/car and not as much up through hood vents or heating up the firewall.? 

On Dec 6, 2023, at 10:59 PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

Does anyone make a front spoiler for a TR3?



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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Dec 16 08:14:36 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 15:14:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
Message-ID: <52f559db4d8a444ba19036a8ed14700a@ranteer.com>

Trying to extract the crank from this block.  It's obviously been sitting for a few years.   How do i get the pulley etc off?
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sat Dec 16 08:36:43 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 08:36:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
In-Reply-To: <52f559db4d8a444ba19036a8ed14700a@ranteer.com>
References: <52f559db4d8a444ba19036a8ed14700a@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <d2d6132f-4568-4bf6-aef2-2d39848ae621@porterscustom.com>

I bought an inductive magnetic "torch" a couple years ago and a non 
flame heat source works wonders... otherwise soaking and dogged? 
deliberations..? lol

On 12/16/2023 8:14 AM, dave northrup wrote:
> Trying to extract the crank from this block.? It's obviously been 
> sitting for a few years.? ?How do i get the pulley etc off?
>
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 09:02:04 2023
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:02:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
In-Reply-To: <52f559db4d8a444ba19036a8ed14700a@ranteer.com>
References: <52f559db4d8a444ba19036a8ed14700a@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAO=iLWYtqd5=HjHk9nXZ-2r0YP80v+89VykO_BheOXSaP0c2vw@mail.gmail.com>

An Army combat engineer friend used to say that there was no problem which
an application of high explosive couldn't solve.

If you can tilt the block vertically (not critical but helpful), try
applying heat to the crank nose/pulley ID, then hold a candle on it.  The
melted paraffin will wick around the bits, which should make removal
somewhat easier.  It may take a couple of attempts.

Good luck

jim

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> for a few years.   How do i get the pulley etc off?
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From rjray.architect at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 10:06:43 2023
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com (rjray.architect at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 11:06:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
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Have you tried an impact wrench on the nut?

 

 

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Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 9:15 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
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Trying to extract the crank from this block.  It's obviously been sitting for a few years.   How do i get the pulley etc off? 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Dec 16 14:48:49 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
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One word.? Wheel puller.
OK that's two words.
https://www.harborfreight.com/bolt-type-wheel-puller-set-62620.html
for example

Dave 


 

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From bschirano1 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 16 17:55:32 2023
From: bschirano1 at gmail.com (Brian Schirano)
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2023 19:55:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] damper pully removal
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I've always used my cheap but effective HF puller
<https://www.harborfreight.com/three-jaw-puller-set-3-piece-63953.html?_br_psugg_q=puller+set>
$22,
if the puller point is too small (sinks into the crank nose) you may need
to find another bolt to insert in the crank and put a counter sink in it to
center the puller. a bit difficult to position the jaws with the timing
cover in the way, but I have done it a number of times, albeit on
Triumph sixes
Good luck
Brian

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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 18 05:06:00 2023
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 12:06:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] How do i get this off?
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Dave

I would reinstall the fan hub extension and loosely install the dog bolt.  The use a hub puller against the bolt and the hub extension to pull.  This avoids pulling on the pulley which is how pulleys get bent.  Once it t pulls partway off you can take out the bolt and use a metal rod or something in place of the bolt to finish the pull.

But if you do bend the pulley, I have about a half dozen spares!

Randy
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Dec 21 13:57:05 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:57:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] rear brake shoes
Message-ID: <66b26453b3d54db8ad281f13f629f431@ranteer.com>

72 TR6

Rear brake shoes, including lining, are at .26 in.

Is this good or bad?  Replace or leave?

Its been at least a decade, maybe two since they were replaced.

We drive the car very hard, and autocross once or twice a year
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Dec 21 14:54:57 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:54:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
Message-ID: <733d8203edd74056900514dba2005953@ranteer.com>

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Dec 21 16:41:58 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 23:41:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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I've finagled them off with a pair of vicegrips... er locking pliers.? Channel-lock... er slip-joint pliers work as well. ? Grab it near the base and wiggle back and forth and it will ever so slowly work its way out.? The pliers will slip off several times but persistance is called for here. 

I've also seen caps with a hole drilled in the center where a screw can be screwed in and used to pull the cap off.? I've seen others where the screw can be used to push it out against the stub axle.

Dave 


 

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From lee at automate-it.com  Thu Dec 21 16:51:03 2023
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 17:51:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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I've been able to pry them off gently without completely destroying them 
- but then I've destroyed a few also. Mine have a hole in the center - 
and I've tried using a small slide hammer (with a screw on the business 
end screwed into the hole) but it usually just fails by enlarging the 
hole. So the prying method is all I figured out.

  Lee

On 2023-12-21 15:54, dave northrup wrote:

> How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really 
> well.  Do i have to destroy them?
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Dec 21 17:50:29 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 19:50:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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References: <733d8203edd74056900514dba2005953@ranteer.com>
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I find that this type of prybar with gentle hammer action works well with grease caps. Use a large socket that contacts the outer circumference as driving tool to re-install - that prevents denting the crown. 

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sxt-9804?seid=srese2 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sxt-9804?seid=srese2&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Brands+|+S&utm_term=4581527517015803&utm_content=GSAPI+5ca6325ce3e61> &utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Brands+|+S&utm_term=4581527517015803&utm_content=GSAPI+5ca6325ce3e61 

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 4:55 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

 

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them? 

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Dec 21 18:38:02 2023
From: tony at tonydrews.com (tony at tonydrews.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:38:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Normally if you use a chisel and hammer around the edge where it meets 
the hub, working your way around the outer edge you can get it to break 
loose and not do too much harm to the dust cap.

Regards, Tony

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> How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there
> really well.  Do i have to destroy them?
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 18:38:26 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:38:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 6:28?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really
> well.  Do i have to destroy them?
>

I don't start out that way, but I usually end up that way.  Allegedly you
can put a screw in through the little hole and drive them off, but all that
does for me is make the little hole into a big hole.

On my VWs, those caps would last a hundred years, but Triumphs
are...different.

I always keep new caps in stock now.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 18:40:10 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:40:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] rear brake shoes
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There's probably a spec, but new shoes are pretty cheap.  If the lining is
thinner than the backing, I'd go ahead and replace them.

Not going is an inconvenience.  Not stopping is a disaster.

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> 72 TR6
>
>
>
> Rear brake shoes, including lining, are at .26 in.
>
>
>
> Is this good or bad?  Replace or leave?
>
>
>
> Its been at least a decade, maybe two since they were replaced.
>
>
>
> We drive the car very hard, and autocross once or twice a year
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From etd at psu.edu  Thu Dec 21 19:51:54 2023
From: etd at psu.edu (Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 02:51:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Put a sheet metal screw through the hole in the center of the cap.

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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 4:54:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them?
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Dec 21 20:41:00 2023
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:41:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
In-Reply-To: <a4618540d073526f683a5a4352f2c411@automate-it.com>
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Message-ID: <B428A537-4CA0-4483-9C91-2C7304692B71@comcast.net>

Vice grip pliers and gentle wriggling.

Sent from my Commodore 64

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> On Dec 21, 2023, at 8:33?PM, lee at automate-it.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> I've been able to pry them off gently without completely destroying them - but then I've destroyed a few also. Mine have a hole in the center - and I've tried using a small slide hammer (with a screw on the business end screwed into the hole) but it usually just fails by enlarging the hole. So the prying method is all I figured out.
> 
>  Lee
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2023-12-21 15:54, dave northrup wrote:
>> 
>> How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them?
> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Dec 21 20:52:11 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2023 21:52:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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I have always tapped with a large  screwdriver close to the base angled as
much as possible to push outwards.  The caps may get a little buggered up,
but still usable.  I believe there is a little ridge you can catch with the
screwdriver to assist with the process.  Just firm gentle taps until it
starts moving.

I used to do the slide hammer thing with a screw, but a screwdriver and
hammer is always handy and works well.  The caps are pretty sturdy.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023, 9:31 PM <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:

> I've been able to pry them off gently without completely destroying them -
> but then I've destroyed a few also. Mine have a hole in the center - and
> I've tried using a small slide hammer (with a screw on the business end
> screwed into the hole) but it usually just fails by enlarging the hole. So
> the prying method is all I figured out.
>
>  Lee
>
>
> On 2023-12-21 15:54, dave northrup wrote:
>
> How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really
> well.  Do i have to destroy them?
>
>
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From rjray.architect at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 06:59:20 2023
From: rjray.architect at gmail.com (rjray.architect at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 07:59:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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On the so called ?Big? Healeys, the dust caps have a short threaded stud welded to the cap. Removal is accomplished by threading a nut onto the stud and pulling on the nut with some form of plyers.

 

Once you get yours off, I suppose one could weld similar studs on the TR dust caps for ease in future removal.

 

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 22 07:16:28 2023
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:16:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
In-Reply-To: <733d8203edd74056900514dba2005953@ranteer.com>
References: <733d8203edd74056900514dba2005953@ranteer.com>
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 No......just use a chisel and tap around the edge, or you can put a big screw in the hole in the center and just pop it off.
    On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 05:35:57 PM CST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
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From mbarre at juno.com  Fri Dec 22 07:37:40 2023
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 14:37:40 GMT
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
Message-ID: <20231222.093740.18520.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

I have JB welded a nut inside and then an appropriately sized machine screw will readily push the cap off against the stub.


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From: "Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas" <etd at psu.edu>
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 02:51:54 +0000


Put a sheet metal screw through the hole in the center of the cap.
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Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 4:54:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them?


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Dec 22 08:23:12 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 07:23:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Don't worry about destroying them. New ones are very inexpensive.  
I bought a new set and welded a 1/4" nut in the center and use a bolt to remove the caps.  I have shortened bolts, actually stainless allen key cap screws to fill the hole.  
Dave H.

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 22 08:44:46 2023
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 15:44:46 +0000
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
Message-ID: <b1d0a99c-bef0-822a-8c1e-e319ba96fae3@earthlink.net>

I use a machine screw about 2 inches long.  Screw it in the hole in the grease cap and it will contact the end of the stub axle and push the cap off nice and easy.  I think it is a #10 or #12 thread.  If your center hole is already messed up, you might be able to use a tap and put a thread or two in.  No damage and the cap will go right back in.

Brian
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Sent: Dec 21, 2023 3:17 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off? They are in there really well. Do i have to destroy them?




From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 22 10:42:16 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 17:42:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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 these work best

H.D. DUST CAP PLIER - Walmart.com


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merry christmas every one





    On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 07:40:46 PM PST, lee at automate-it.com <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:  
 
 
I've been able to pry them off gently without completely destroying them - but then I've destroyed a few also. Mine have a hole in the center - and I've tried using a small slide hammer (with a screw on the business end screwed into the hole) but it usually just fails by enlarging the hole. So the prying method is all I figured out.

?Lee




On 2023-12-21 15:54, dave northrup wrote:

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?? They are in there really well.? Do i have to destroy them?



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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Fri Dec 22 13:07:46 2023
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 12:07:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Waaay way back in the 1960?s when I worked in garages in PA, cars had to be inspected twice a year. Inspection required physically looking at the brake shoes which of course required taking off the drum. We would remove the grease cap with a channel lock pliers ? just grab it and wiggle or lever it down and it would come right off. Perhaps because they had to come off twice a year they never got very stuck, but never had a problem removing them. Never worried about the next time because you never knew if you would see that car again.

 

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 7:23 AM
To: dave northrup; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

 

Don't worry about destroying them. New ones are very inexpensive.   

I bought a new set and welded a 1/4" nut in the center and use a bolt to remove the caps.  I have shortened bolts, actually stainless allen key cap screws to fill the hole.   

Dave H. 

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Dec 22 15:31:50 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 22:31:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
Message-ID: <D3E20BD8-FE76-45AF-881D-5B8C55F7C3E8@gmx.com>

For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.

Jonmac

From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec 22 16:31:13 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 23:31:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] removing grease cap
Message-ID: <07b89e7f79304566858740a25f522806@ranteer.com>

Many, many thanks to all of you who replied with helpful suggestions.

I opted to try the vice grips approach, and looking closely at the grease caps it looks like it had been removed with vice grips before.

It came off without too much trouble.

Thank you again.

Now the hubs are off and ready to get turned as I order new brake pads.

That was the impetus for a flurry of activity in the garage.  I expect the car to be immobilized for at least another month, more likely two as the project list is pretty long.

And I'm I Dallas, so the weather is ok for working on cars this time of year.
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From dbm.spitfire at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 17:06:51 2023
From: dbm.spitfire at gmail.com (Doug Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 19:06:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3? in Fowlerville, Michigan
Message-ID: <CAGctxs5PhrATS362i_EyrvY7cDuszA-9K2Ywc3WpJEWC5fLprQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bad shape, but might be useful for parts. From VIN, might be TR2. Facebook
marketplace.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/756274229874600/?mibextid=dXMIcH

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 22 18:32:37 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:32:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Dec 22 18:41:11 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:41:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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The Factory Tool Kit actually included a small threaded bolt for exactly that purpose (lower right corner in the attached photo).

 

 

Keith Stewart

 <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> keithstewart at bell.net

 <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/> https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 6:42 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

 

I've finagled them off with a pair of vicegrips... er locking pliers.  Channel-lock... er slip-joint pliers work as well.   Grab it near the base and wiggle back and forth and it will ever so slowly work its way out.  The pliers will slip off several times but persistance is called for here. 

 

I've also seen caps with a hole drilled in the center where a screw can be screwed in and used to pull the cap off.  I've seen others where the screw can be used to push it out against the stub axle.

 

Dave 

 

 

 

 

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How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them? 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Dec 22 18:45:41 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 20:45:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Too late at this point, but for years a neat fix suggested has been to solder/weld a small nut to the inside of the cap so that screwing the bolt through that hole has much better grip.

 

 

Keith Stewart

 <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> keithstewart at bell.net

 <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/> https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2023 8:38 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6

 

 

 

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 6:28?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

How do i get the front wheel grease caps off?  They are in there really well.  Do i have to destroy them?

 

I don't start out that way, but I usually end up that way.  Allegedly you can put a screw in through the little hole and drive them off, but all that does for me is make the little hole into a big hole. 

On my VWs, those caps would last a hundred years, but Triumphs are...different.

 

I always keep new caps in stock now.  

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From cak at dimebank.com  Fri Dec 22 20:30:47 2023
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2023 19:30:47 -0800
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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Get them off however you can. I usually use a big screwdriver and a 3# drilling hammer.

Throw them away.

 Buy and install a proper grease seal. I used to get Nilos brand seals from Dave Bean Engineering - they might still be able to help you.

From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec 22 21:17:23 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 04:17:23 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Cheers!!  And a hearty toast to all, past, present, and to future generations


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From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Date: 12/22/23 10:07 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch

For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 05:32:37 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 07:32:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
Merry Christmas to you
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, fl USA 

> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
> 
> Jonmac
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Dec 23 06:11:02 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:11:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR 3? in Fowlerville, Michigan
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An early TR3 with a widemouth front apron.  But $900 ? really?

I went to see a TR4 in Detroit 2 days ago.  The tub was beyond saving, but there was a good replacement early TR4 frame there as well as some sheetmetal.  Lovely old guy who had to give up his cars to take care of his ailing wife.  I have his contact info if anyone is interested.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Doug Mitchell
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2023 7:07 PM
To: TRlist <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR 3? in Fowlerville, Michigan

Bad shape, but might be useful for parts. From VIN, might be TR2. Facebook marketplace.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/756274229874600/?mibextid=dXMIcH

Regards,
Doug Mitchell
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Dec 23 06:19:13 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 13:19:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR 3? in Fowlerville, Michigan
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Interesting.? It is clearly a TR2 or TR3 but it has a TR3A front apron and grill.
I think the most valuable part would be the title if there was one.? But there ain't.
Happy Festivus!

Dave 


 

    On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 12:07:42 AM CST, Doug Mitchell <dbm.spitfire at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Bad shape, but might be useful for parts. From VIN, might be TR2. Facebook marketplace.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/756274229874600/?mibextid=dXMIcH

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From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Dec 23 07:08:00 2023
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 09:08:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Merry Christmas with great memories of you with Fred Thomas and Ronnie Babbitt on one trip over and with Jere Dotten on another. More good memories of you and your son starting the North America Stag tour at our house in Florida. Thanks for all your wonderful stories. 
Tom Fansher
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> On Dec 23, 2023, at 8:35?AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
> Merry Christmas to you
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl USA
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
>> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
>> 
>> Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Dec 23 08:15:35 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour Sergeants and Sergeants Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65. 
We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to all of them as I was able and apart from the pleasure of having a chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general service and victory medals aka Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head, a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had somehow survived the nightmares of close quarter engagement on many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.

Jonmac

> On 23 Dec 2023, at 12:32, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
> Merry Christmas to you
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl USA 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
>> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
>> 
>> Jonmac
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Dec 23 09:55:45 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 16:55:45 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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John -

Thank you so much for your thoughts and especially you comments and reminiscing.  We all eagerly read your posts.  Please keep them coming.

Dave N

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Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch

Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour Sergeants and Sergeants Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65. 
We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to all of them as I was able and apart from the pleasure of having a chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general service and victory medals aka Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head, a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had somehow survived the nightmares of close quarter engagement on many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.

Jonmac

> On 23 Dec 2023, at 12:32, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
> Merry Christmas to you
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl USA 
> 
>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
>> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
>> 
>> Jonmac
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sat Dec 23 10:16:42 2023
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 17:16:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Well, as is often the case, I learned something new about the country of my birth. When I were a lad, back in the 50s, many businesses, especially hotels, entertainment venues, and the headquarters of large corporations, would have a uniformed gentleman performing ?gatekeeper? functions, supervising bell boys, staffing the reception desks etc. My dad always referred to these men as commissionaires, which I thought was a generic term. I had no idea that there was a formal organization of commissionaires, and I?m sure that many of those gentlemen were members of that august body. 

Apparently, the Corps was privatized several years ago and now operates as Corps Security. By tradition, the head of the company is the Monarch. 

Thanks, John, for waking up some old memory cells, as you often do.  Merry Christmas!

Mike


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> On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:30, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour Sergeants and Sergeants Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65. 
> We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to all of them as I was able and apart from the pleasure of having a chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general service and victory medals aka Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head, a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had somehow survived the nightmares of close quarter engagement on many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2023, at 12:32, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
>> Merry Christmas to you
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, fl USA 
>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
>>> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
>>> 
>>> Jonmac
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Dec 23 11:37:44 2023
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 10:37:44 -0800
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 12:05:47 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 14:05:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Awesome story and one of the reasons I love triumphs. I have six and I may have a problem. ?

Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL 
61 3A
67 4A
67 250 CD2L
75 TR6 (2)
81 TR8 fourth to last built 


> On Dec 23, 2023, at 10:15?AM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour Sergeants and Sergeants Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.
> We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to all of them as I was able and apart from the pleasure of having a chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general service and victory medals aka Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head, a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had somehow survived the nightmares of close quarter engagement on many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
>> On 23 Dec 2023, at 12:32, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> John, a tip of a Bass Ale to you and all those who served.  I have always appreciated your personal stories that covered all the emotions.  Just like this one, sad as it is.  Cheers to you.  My favorite that I still share with others when they comment on how sloppy the commission plate stampings look is the one where you told us triumph standard hired disabled RAF war vets to give them a job and some of them punched those plates as best they could.  To me they are perfectly imperfect!  
>> Merry Christmas to you
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, fl USA
>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2023, at 10:59?PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?For at least the last thirty years, I have attended a self-funded Christmas lunch held in Coventry for former employees of Standard-Triumph?s Home and Export Sales departments, Export Shipping, Dealer Development, Advertising and staff from the Parts Division. These were what anyone visiting the building known as Fletch South would have encountered had they arrived at that location. All in all, about 250-300 people tops. My first lunch back in 1992 (I?d been living overseas until then) saw a total headcount of about 180 and over the years that followed we always drank a toast in memory of those who had died during the previous year or who were absent through ill health. During the pandemic and the two lockdowns of 2020 and 2021, we didn?t have a Christmas lunch because of infection risk but we do know too many people died through COVID, cancer or just old age. Today was sobering for all of us as only 10 place settings were at our usual table and the Memorial Toast was for 49 people who were hale, hearty, life and soul, happy and jolly at the 2019 lunch which everyone today also attended.
>>> It seems but only yesterday we were all together working for one objective, young women, young men, together with many more older examples of the same. And in a finger snap, but just a few survive and for maybe only a little while longer? Who knows? How many place settings for the 2024 lunch? I?d rather not ponder that.
>>> 
>>> Jonmac
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 23 13:34:25 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:34:25 -0500
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sat Dec 23 17:18:39 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 19:18:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Jonmac:

Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.

However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were
only 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded in
WW2.  Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthur
Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a
soldier from New Zealand.
   - Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed at
Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.
   - Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England in 1953.
   - Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the war.

The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such
rarified medals.

Best wishes to all.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
Near Toronto, Canada

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>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
>From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
>To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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>Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of
recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We
have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The
Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants
Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have
their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men
at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in
accordance with >the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2,
if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge,
their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.

>We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them
were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite,
immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to
talk to all of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having a
chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men
had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who
worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of
>them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly
wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order,
the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general
service and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had
done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the
horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very
quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head,
> a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them
was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted
company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen
who had somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on
many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had
seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
>
>Jonmac

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sun Dec 24 05:43:01 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 12:43:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
In-Reply-To: <0648fb63129f7134a9ee04f681d69acc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.5.1703358001.16839.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <0648fb63129f7134a9ee04f681d69acc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <341AD6D9-047B-4A05-BB4E-15FF3FEA34DF@gmx.com>

Dave, I can?t tell you any more about the three men I mentioned because I only knew them ?in passing? and I saw the man in the Sales block far more than the other two. The sales guy I saw daily and often more than once, but my work took me only very occasionally to Engineering and the Director block where the other two were to be found.
I can?t argue with the data you?ve uncovered and I don?t intend to. All I can say is the VC ribbon is a deep maroon in colour and I believe is usually located closest to the heart and on the top row if medal ribbons amount to more than one row. This is where I remember seeing the ribbon on those men. Now there is always the possibility that a VC ribbon might be mistaken for some other decoration of prestige but that said, a lot of the much older men I worked with who had been in WW2, recognised those pieces of maroon material as VCs and occasionally mentioned them in hushed tones. 
I also recall an overseas visitor coming to collect a new car on one occasion, looking at the Sales block Commissionaire and saying in a rather loud voice, ?say, that?s an interesting collection of ribbons ya got there. What are they and how did you get ?em?? Quick as a flash, one of my older ex service colleagues jumped in and said, ?Sir, Sergeant (name) military decorations worn by serving or retired members of His Majesty?s armed services are absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with you, nor is the need for you to know anything further on why they were awarded!?
The man looked more than a little non-plussed and feebly commented such restrictions didn?t apply in his country to which response ?well, they do here! I feel you owe this gentleman an apology - and now!?
So, in the final analysis, your research has failed to confirm the existence of the men to whom I refer which is okay. The flip side is not only myself but many others with services background and WW1 and WW2 memories remember them with respect and I dare say no small amount of fondness for who they were and what they may have done.
Happy Christmas everyone

Jonmac

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 00:18, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 
> Jonmac:
> 
> Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.
> 
> However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were
> only 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded in
> WW2.  Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthur
> Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a
> soldier from New Zealand.
>   - Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed at
> Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.
>   - Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England in 1953.
>   - Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the war.
> 
> The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such
> rarified medals.
> 
> Best wishes to all.
> 
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
> Near Toronto, Canada
> 
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
>> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
>> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
>> Message-ID: <F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839 at gmx.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of
> recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We
> have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The
> Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants
> Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have
> their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men
> at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in
> accordance with >the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2,
> if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge,
> their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.
> 
>> We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of them
> were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite,
> immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to
> talk to all of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having a
> chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men
> had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who
> worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of
>> them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly
> wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order,
> the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general
> service and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had
> done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the
> horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very
> quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head,
>> a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them
> was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted
> company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen
> who had somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on
> many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had
> seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
>> 
>> Jonmac


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Dec 24 06:06:21 2023
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:06:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
In-Reply-To: <0648fb63129f7134a9ee04f681d69acc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.5.1703358001.16839.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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On Christmas Eve I thought I'd share my Victoria Cross story.  DISCLAIMER - it has a strong Christian theme.  Don't open it if you are going to be offended.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 7:19 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch

Jonmac:

Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.

However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were only 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded in WW2.  Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthur Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a soldier from New Zealand.
   - Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed at Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.
   - Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England in 1953.
   - Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the war.

The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such rarified medals.

Best wishes to all.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
Near Toronto, Canada

>Message: 14
>Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
>From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
>To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
>Message-ID: <F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839 at gmx.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
>Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of
recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance with >the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.

>We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of 
>them
were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite, immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to talk to all of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having a chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of
>them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly
wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order, the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general service and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head,
> a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them
was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen who had somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
>
>Jonmac
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 07:33:13 2023
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:33:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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Great story, Andrew! Thank wand Merry Christmas to all!!!

Dave

On Sun, Dec 24, 2023 at 8:58?AM auprichard uprichard.net <
auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

> On Christmas Eve I thought I'd share my Victoria Cross story.  DISCLAIMER
> - it has a strong Christian theme.  Don't open it if you are going to be
> offended.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 7:19 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Cc: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
> Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
>
> Jonmac:
>
> Tell us more about those amazing men. They deserve all praise.
>
> However, I think some of the particulars may be a little hazy. There were
> only 628 VCs awarded in WW1 and far fewer --- just 181 --- were awarded in
> WW2.  Only three men have ever won the VC twice: 2 were surgeons (Arthur
> Martin-Leake and Noel Chavasse) and one (Charles Hazlitt Upham) was a
> soldier from New Zealand.
>    - Chavasse won his first VC during the Boer War. He was killed at
> Passchendaele during the action that won him his second VC.
>    - Martin-Leake won the VC and Bar in WW1. He died in England in 1953.
>    - Upham won his VC and Bar in WW2 and returned to NZ after the war.
>
> The men you met were undoubtedly heroes, but perhaps had not won such
> rarified medals.
>
> Best wishes to all.
>
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
> Near Toronto, Canada
>
> >Message: 14
> >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:15:35 +0000
> >From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> >To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> >Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
> >Message-ID: <F3A049BE-87D9-4F13-91A7-1BF15EBBA839 at gmx.com>
> >Content-Type: text/plain;      charset=utf-8
> >
> >Jim, very many thanks for your kind words. The Sir John Black policy of
> recruiting vets affected all services, not just the RAF in isolation. We
> have in the UK an organisation called the Corps of Commissionaires. The
> Corps is made up of mostly Serjeants, Colour >Sergeants and Sergeants
> Major. They provide reception services to large companies as they have
> their own uniforms and they?re always incredibly smart. We had these men at
> all reception points throughout the company in the UK, and in accordance
> with >the John Black directive issued at the beginning of WW2, if any ex
> employee was later re-employed through honourable discharge, their
> retirement age would be when they wanted to leave and not at age 65.
>
> >We had three Commissionaires in key locations in Coventry and all of
> >them
> were in their late seventies. They were always scrupulously polite,
> immaculate in their uniforms and charming conversationalists. I used to
> talk to all of them as I was able and apart >from the pleasure of having a
> chat, it was an opportunity to study their medal ribbons. All three men had
> won the Victoria Cross, our highest award for bravery and the man who
> worked the Sales Block reception desk had won it twice! But between all of
> >them, anyone with the knowledge of medal ribbons could see they proudly
> wore the Victoria Cross, the Mons Star, the Distinguished Service Order,
> the Gallipoli medal and the Military Cross, plus the various other general
> service and victory medals aka >Pipsqueak and Wilfred. All those men had
> done WW1 from start to finish in the desert, in Greece, at sea and the
> horrors of trench warfare in France and Belgium. They were always very
> quiet but never a day passed without a nod of the head,
> > a smile or a friendly greeting. The thing I remember about all of them
> was that even after a brief conversation on any subject, you parted
> company feeling better for having spoken to them. They were true gentlemen
> who had somehow survived the >nightmares of close quarter engagement on
> many occasions and amazingly had not been sent mad through what they had
> seen or done. Those are the people I remember and respect the most.
> >
> >Jonmac
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sun Dec 24 07:35:17 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 09:35:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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A lovely story. Thank-you for sharing it.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

-----Original Message-----
>From: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
>Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 8:06 AM
>To: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>; triumphs at autox.team.net
>Cc: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
>Subject: RE: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
>
>On Christmas Eve I thought I'd share my Victoria Cross story.  DISCLAIMER
- it has a strong Christian theme.  Don't open it if you are going to be
offended.
>
>Andrew Uprichard
>Jackson, Michigan

From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Dec 24 09:17:39 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2023 11:17:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Maybe the last lunch
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On Sat, Dec 23, 2023 at 4:40?PM James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Awesome story and one of the reasons I love triumphs. I have six and I may
> have a problem. ?
>
>
I'm sure the only problem is that you don't have room for more!
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 25 10:29:24 2023
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:29:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] TRF fire
References: <FD4BEE89-1ABB-4E17-AD26-2FE1F623D105.ref@yahoo.com>
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?Have y?all seen this, this came across on Facebook this morning.  So sad.
Bill

Sadly, reports are coming in of a structure fire and emergency services were dispatched at 1:11AM 12/25/23 to Killen Rd in Armagh, PA. This is the location of The Roadster Factory Inc. Please keep the TRF family in your thoughts and prayers.

To lose everything because of a fire is bad, but on Christmas morning... Heartbreaking!!!

http://www.indianacounty.org/911media/


?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Dec 25 13:03:40 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 20:03:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
Message-ID: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>

My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of them a Le Mans Sabrina?

Jonmac

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Dec 25 15:55:20 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 15:55:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Dec 25 18:30:49 2023
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 01:30:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] Terrible news
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4613093D12A36E6BC12F1D65FA98A@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Roadster Factory had a fire last night, news reports say the building is a total loss.

<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
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google.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>


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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Dec 25 19:06:54 2023
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 02:06:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] Terrible news
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB46136A7743586DA9AF2ECA82FA98A@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Roadster Factory had a fire last night, news reports say the building is a total loss.

<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Tue Dec 26 01:31:23 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:31:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TRF fire
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1703530802.25449.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1703530802.25449.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <f03e706c1b814c77904f92f2cfdda24e@mail.gmail.com>

That is terrible news, not only for the Runyan family and The Roadster
Factory employees, but for the entire British Car community.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/indiana-county-the-roadster-factor
y-fire/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/roadster-factory-total-loss-christmas-23350
0950.html?_guc_consent_skip=1703578882

According to news reports "all that was left was a gutted brick structure
in the front of the business and smoldering ruins behind." Google now
lists TRF as "permanently closed".

Sad news indeed.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:29:24 -0600
>From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [TR] TRF fire
>
>?Have y?all seen this, this came across on Facebook this morning.  So
sad.
>Bill
>
>Sadly, reports are coming in of a structure fire and emergency services
were dispatched at 1:11AM 12/25/23 to Killen Rd in Armagh, PA. This is the
location of The Roadster Factory Inc. Please keep the TRF family in your
thoughts and prayers.
>
>To lose everything because of a fire is bad, but on Christmas morning...
Heartbreaking!!!
>
>http://www.indianacounty.org/911media/That is terrible news, not only for
the Runyon family and the employees of The Roadster Factory, but for the
entire British Car community.

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 05:11:59 2023
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 05:11:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
In-Reply-To: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
References: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFArkdns7NqCs_PoDFdoVDAB_ses4uY1kdqqd2f=pRnNVw@mail.gmail.com>

I believe the rare cars were sold a couple of years ago as Albert Runyan
worked to settle his father Charles's estate, Jonmac.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:36?AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be
> a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but
> understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of
> them a Le Mans Sabrina?
>
> Jonmac
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Dec 26 05:18:49 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 07:18:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 220
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1703530802.25449.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8.1703530802.25449.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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That page would not load. You might also try:
https://www.indianagazette.com/news/roadster-factory-destroyed-in-christmas-
fire/article_00819b29-a99f-5c14-a935-fc550975fb64.html


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec 26 08:55:18 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 15:55:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and seemed to have survived.


https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 26 09:43:36 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <634102702.3042330.1703609016271@mail.yahoo.com>

 OH bummeri know they have been struggling to make profit and keep the business alive.this may be the end of my favorite parts supplier.so sad
Frank

    On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 05:05:07 AM PST, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From triumph66 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 09:53:13 2023
From: triumph66 at gmail.com (Ted)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:53:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Unbelievable...

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 8:03 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From triumph66 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 10:23:05 2023
From: triumph66 at gmail.com (Ted)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 12:23:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
In-Reply-To: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
References: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
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Yes John. Charles Runyan & now son Albert have one or two Sabrina cars. I
live 1 hour away & I am very saddened on many levels.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 4:24 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be
> a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but
> understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of
> them a Le Mans Sabrina?
>
> Jonmac
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 11:13:24 2023
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:13:24 -0800
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHYrL=jiuFYXHfCjBrCfTqeVf1mZVop7aDhLu-RTzqZ3w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm visiting the UK and can't see this link from over here.. I have a Stag
and the TRF didn't carry Stag specific stuff, only parts which shared a
common part number.  Most of my Stag stuff came out of UK. However, I did
buy stuff from TRF and I took advantage of when they had 50% postage
charges.
I can only imagine this being a great loss to the rest of the Triumph
community in the US.
Sujit



On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 5:01?AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From mbarre at juno.com  Tue Dec 26 16:18:44 2023
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:18:44 GMT
Subject: [TR] TRF fire
Message-ID: <20231226.181844.22850.0@webmail10.vgs.untd.com>

Agreed, a terrible blow to the British Car community.  TRF has been a great asset to the Brit car hobby.  After watching a YouTube of the fire, it appeared that they pulled out a TR6, TR3 and maybe a GT6 before the fire got to them.


---------- Original Message ----------
From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TRF fire
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:31:23 -0500

That is terrible news, not only for the Runyan family and The Roadster
Factory employees, but for the entire British Car community.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/indiana-county-the-roadster-factor
y-fire/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/roadster-factory-total-loss-christmas-23350
0950.html?_guc_consent_skip=1703578882

According to news reports "all that was left was a gutted brick structure
in the front of the business and smoldering ruins behind." Google now
lists TRF as "permanently closed".

Sad news indeed.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:29:24 -0600
>From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [TR] TRF fire
>
>?Have y?all seen this, this came across on Facebook this morning.  So
sad.
>Bill
>
>Sadly, reports are coming in of a structure fire and emergency services
were dispatched at 1:11AM 12/25/23 to Killen Rd in Armagh, PA. This is the
location of The Roadster Factory Inc. Please keep the TRF family in your
thoughts and prayers.
>
>To lose everything because of a fire is bad, but on Christmas morning...
Heartbreaking!!!
>
>http://www.indianacounty.org/911media/That is terrible news, not only for
the Runyon family and the employees of The Roadster Factory, but for the
entire British Car community.
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Tue Dec 26 21:06:33 2023
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 04:06:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <bb9c6ed9e402437c9c802e50bcd25273@ranteer.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave et al-


Words matter. So do facts.

The ?valuable cars? were sold as part of Charles?s estate closure. The cars saved from the fire included a TR3, a body shell TR6 and a Spitfire race car that was bought by John Swauger and gifted back to Albert and TRF.

If you have evidence of arson, say it, if you feel so compelled. Otherwise, your words are hollow, and perhaps actionable.

Good taste requires compassion and kindness at a time like this- in my humble opinion.


Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton


On Dec 26, 2023, at 9:45?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and seemed to have survived.


https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Tue Dec 26 23:16:57 2023
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 01:16:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <bb9c6ed9e402437c9c802e50bcd25273@ranteer.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAONC1_4a=E_dvPfQkKDGcruXGixt3+vWcyfZ2VOxtJJdMmHtXA@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are
speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill
will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now
the owner of TRF, not his father.

The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire
got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep
the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from
Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I
understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in
2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in
the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small
compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling
patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of
the fire.

The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on
our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful
current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what
happened.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were
> treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire
> was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect
> the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have
> brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a
> different building and seemed to have survived.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 04:41:09 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 06:41:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <CAONC1_4a=E_dvPfQkKDGcruXGixt3+vWcyfZ2VOxtJJdMmHtXA@mail.gmail.com>
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Dec 27 06:19:29 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 08:19:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
In-Reply-To: <CAK23-weOa0GfhciK68tWaZEBx3xtTfgwC_Z3Oi-HOn3+A+T7rQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
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Message-ID: <911901da38c7$52fc8860$f8f59920$@bell.net>

Weren?t the Sabrina engines sold with the two TRS cars that were sold off after Charles? death?

 

Keith Stewart

 <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> keithstewart at bell.net

 <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/> https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: Ted <triumph66 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:23 PM
To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] OMG!!!!

 

Yes John. Charles Runyan & now son Albert have one or two Sabrina cars. I live 1 hour away & I am very saddened on many levels.

 

 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Dec 27 07:39:32 2023
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 14:39:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] [Junk]Re:  Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <BF85E95A-CF3B-4DFF-8EA5-B83E2DE0EC32@gmail.com>
References: <CAONC1_4a=E_dvPfQkKDGcruXGixt3+vWcyfZ2VOxtJJdMmHtXA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BF85E95A-CF3B-4DFF-8EA5-B83E2DE0EC32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c15db48009ad4a8894501c4557609ddc@ranteer.com>

suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of the law and the constitution.

despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly that.

the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this.  the fire occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, including the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around.  And, if as some have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel to the fire



From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
To: Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
Cc: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire

Larry and Steve,
Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positing such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and TRF employees.  TRF has been an important family member to me for the past 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community.  My grandmother always taught me that if you don?t have something good to say then don?t say it.
Jim Henningsen



On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39?AM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com<mailto:larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now the owner of TRF, not his father.

The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of the fire.

The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what happened.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and seemed to have survived.


https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 08:04:06 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (trguy75 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 10:04:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
In-Reply-To: <911901da38c7$52fc8860$f8f59920$@bell.net>
References: <8234DF3E-033B-4E0D-885A-4CC9229AD984@gmx.com>
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Yes they were sold including the TR5. Jim Henningsen

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of keithstewart at bell.net
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:19 AM
To: 'Ted' <triumph66 at gmail.com>; 'John Macartney' <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: 'Listers' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] OMG!!!!

 

Weren?t the Sabrina engines sold with the two TRS cars that were sold off after Charles? death?

 

Keith Stewart

 <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> keithstewart at bell.net

 <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/> https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: Ted <triumph66 at gmail.com <mailto:triumph66 at gmail.com> > 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 12:23 PM
To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> >
Cc: Listers <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] OMG!!!!

 

Yes John. Charles Runyan & now son Albert have one or two Sabrina cars. I live 1 hour away & I am very saddened on many levels.

 

 

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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Wed Dec 27 09:06:43 2023
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 16:06:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] [Junk]Re:  Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <c15db48009ad4a8894501c4557609ddc@ranteer.com>
References: <CAONC1_4a=E_dvPfQkKDGcruXGixt3+vWcyfZ2VOxtJJdMmHtXA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave-

I encourage you to get good advice.

Fox News, former Gov. Rudy Giuliani and former President Trump all claimed the 1st Amendment as defenses to defamation. Their judgments were 787 million, 148 million and 5 million, respectively. The 1st Amendment is not absolute, clearly.

I know I have little chance of changing your mind on the facts, I only hope I can alter your need to spew it to the rest of us.

This is my last post on the topic.


Sent from my iPad


Steven O. Thornton



On Dec 27, 2023, at 9:13?AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of the law and the constitution.

despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly that.

the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this.  the fire occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, including the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around.  And, if as some have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel to the fire



From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
To: Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
Cc: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire

Larry and Steve,
Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positing such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and TRF employees.  TRF has been an important family member to me for the past 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community.  My grandmother always taught me that if you don?t have something good to say then don?t say it.
Jim Henningsen



On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39?AM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com<mailto:larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>> wrote:
?
Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now the owner of TRF, not his father.

The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of the fire.

The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what happened.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and seemed to have survived.


https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 10:16:54 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 11:16:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] [Junk]Re: Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <c15db48009ad4a8894501c4557609ddc@ranteer.com>
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Dave,

Against my better judgement.  Whether your statements are actionable is
debatable.

However, the actionable in this case has nothing to do with free speech and
government action.  Freedom of speech relates to the limitations on the
government taking action against you based on something you said (or wrote
or otherwise communicated).

That doesn't keep a party who may be injured or damaged by something you
say either verbally or in writing from suing you in a civil action.  Or as
I like to say, in this great country of ours anybody can sue anybody for
anything.

Please don't make it political when it is not.   Kind of a sad state of
affairs when every little thing that doesn't go somebody's way or is
perceived as an attack, insult, or slight, has to attributed to one "side"
or the other .

Greg Lemon

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 8:58 AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of
> the law and the constitution.
>
>
>
> despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats have
> been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly that.
>
>
>
> the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this.  the fire
> occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, including
> the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around.  And, if as some
> have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel
> to the fire
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
> *To:* Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
>
>
>
> Larry and Steve,
>
> Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positing
> such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts
> and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and
> TRF employees.  TRF has been an important family member to me for the past
> 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community.  My
> grandmother always taught me that if you don?t have something good to say
> then don?t say it.
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39?AM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are
> speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill
> will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now
> the owner of TRF, not his father.
>
>
>
> The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire
> got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep
> the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from
> Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I
> understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in
> 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in
> the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small
> compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling
> patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of
> the fire.
>
>
>
> The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on
> our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful
> current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what
> happened.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were
> treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire
> was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect
> the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have
> brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a
> different building and seemed to have survived.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
>
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 27 10:43:30 2023
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 17:43:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 221
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Johnmac, For me their summer get-togethers were like Heaven on earth. Lucas reps giving troubleshooting classes, rally-type events, and Sabrina right when you walked in. They might have sold it, I didn't see them roll it out and it would have been the first one out. They had a brick office and a wooden warehouse section. The fire appears to be in the?back where the parts were. Sabrina was up front where she belonged. Most of their items were made in the UK and Taiwan and were of high quality. Some of the employees were second-generation and they all tried. Just a couple of years back Charles passed this time of year and now this. Hopefully, the building and stock were insured. This time of year reminds me of your Christmas message from years back. Seasons greetings to all.
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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? 9. Re: Roadster Factory Christmas day fire (Frank Fisher)
? 10. Re: Roadster Factory Christmas day fire (Ted)
? 11. Re: OMG!!!! (Ted)
? 12. Re: Roadster Factory Christmas day fire (Sujit Roy)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 20:03:40 +0000
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] OMG!!!!
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My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of them a Le Mans Sabrina?

Jonmac


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 15:55:20 -0700
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 01:30:49 +0000
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Terrible news
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Roadster Factory had a fire last night, news reports say the building is a total loss.

<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
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Roadster Factory a total loss after Christmas morning fire, Armagh chief says<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
google.com<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>


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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 02:06:54 +0000
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Subject: [TR] Terrible news
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Roadster Factory had a fire last night, news reports say the building is a total loss.

<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
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Roadster Factory a total loss after Christmas morning fire, Armagh chief says<https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html&sa=U&sqi=2&ved=2ahUKEwj__pWO8KuDAxW5lYkEHTCQBToQ0PADKAB6BAgJEAE&usg=AOvVaw0CoFl-JLac1hvGO-M7G3Mi>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 03:31:23 -0500
From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TRF fire
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That is terrible news, not only for the Runyan family and The Roadster
Factory employees, but for the entire British Car community.

https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/indiana-county-the-roadster-factor
y-fire/
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/roadster-factory-total-loss-christmas-23350
0950.html?_guc_consent_skip=1703578882

According to news reports "all that was left was a gutted brick structure
in the front of the business and smoldering ruins behind." Google now
lists TRF as "permanently closed".

Sad news indeed.

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2023 11:29:24 -0600
>From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [TR] TRF fire
>
>?Have y?all seen this, this came across on Facebook this morning.? So
sad.
>Bill
>
>Sadly, reports are coming in of a structure fire and emergency services
were dispatched at 1:11AM 12/25/23 to Killen Rd in Armagh, PA. This is the
location of The Roadster Factory Inc. Please keep the TRF family in your
thoughts and prayers.
>
>To lose everything because of a fire is bad, but on Christmas morning...
Heartbreaking!!!
>
>http://www.indianacounty.org/911media/That is terrible news, not only for
the Runyon family and the employees of The Roadster Factory, but for the
entire British Car community.


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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 05:11:59 -0700
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] OMG!!!!
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I believe the rare cars were sold a couple of years ago as Albert Runyan
worked to settle his father Charles's estate, Jonmac.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 2:36?AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be
> a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but
> understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of
> them a Le Mans Sabrina?
>
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 07:18:49 -0500
From: <keithstewart at bell.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 220
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That page would not load. You might also try:
https://www.indianagazette.com/news/roadster-factory-destroyed-in-christmas-
fire/article_00819b29-a99f-5c14-a935-fc550975fb64.html


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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 15:55:18 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
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Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.? I suspect the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have brought in a sale.? And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a different building and seemed to have survived.


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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 16:43:36 +0000 (UTC)
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>,? Don Hiscock
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Subject: Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
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 OH bummeri know they have been struggling to make profit and keep the business alive.this may be the end of my favorite parts supplier.so sad
Frank

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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 11:53:13 -0500
From: Ted <triumph66 at gmail.com>
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Unbelievable...

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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 12:23:05 -0500
From: Ted <triumph66 at gmail.com>
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Yes John. Charles Runyan & now son Albert have one or two Sabrina cars. I
live 1 hour away & I am very saddened on many levels.

On Tue, Dec 26, 2023, 4:24 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> My deepest sympathies to the Runyon family on what looks on YouTube to be
> a disastrous fire at the Roadster Factory. I never went there but
> understands Charles Runyon had some very special cars in there. Was one of
> them a Le Mans Sabrina?
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Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2023 10:13:24 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
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I'm visiting the UK and can't see this link from over here.. I have a Stag
and the TRF didn't carry Stag specific stuff, only parts which shared a
common part number.? Most of my Stag stuff came out of UK. However, I did
buy stuff from TRF and I took advantage of when they had 50% postage
charges.
I can only imagine this being a great loss to the rest of the Triumph
community in the US.
Sujit



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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Dec 27 15:11:14 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 17:11:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
Message-ID: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>

I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Dec 27 17:39:21 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 00:39:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] The TRF Fire
Message-ID: <604C960E-14D3-48D4-948E-A7AFC588F12E@gmx.com>

We all live in a too materialistic world where some who compete with us for business may incline to a ?sh*t happens? remark or posture when news breaks of the misfortune of another rival firm. I?m pretty certain that when the news breaks on this side of the pond about Roadster Factory, some companies may make some proactive moves to make their inventories a little more accessible to export enquiries.
There is no doubt that TRF provided an excellent service to its many customers down the years and that is due in part to Charles Runyon and his unquestionably loyal team of staff. As someone whose later career was very much involved in automotive parts supply both in the U.K. and overseas, I spent many years trying to help TRF type businesses in obtaining their needs from ever diminishing U.K. based suppliers. I can only hope the Rimmers of this world, the Paddocks, the T.G Fitchetts andother UK parts specialists come to the aid of US and Canadian customers in meeting their needs. The same goes for the U.K. Standard-Triumph clubs - viz Club Triumph, Triumph Sports Six, Triumph 2000 2500 2.5 Register, TR Register, Stag Owners Club, Standard Car Club in providing drawings or assistance fro their own parts stocks or archives. I can?t speak for any of them in being willing to come to the aid of any individual or specific group - but I just hope they do. The amount of technical info many of these clubs have in their posession from decades of magazines and newsletters beggars belief. For more years than I care to remember, I have felt the Larger clubs could do a lot more to foster strong international ties than I?ve seen them perform and I?ve long come to one of two conclusions. Either no one has thought of demonstrating firm hands across the seas concepts or there are too many people at management committee level (and I?ve met a few down the years) with their thumbs stuck so far up their arseholes that they?re finding it impossible to move. My recommendation therefore is google those clubs if you think they can help you, they?ve all got websites and active email addresses, so if you?re stuck fora part and need help in locAting a likely U.K. SUPPLIERit, ask the U.K. clubs. Good luck and my apologies for my lapse into English as it ain?t usually spoke.

Jonmac

From dave at mdmackay.ca  Wed Dec 27 17:52:31 2023
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:52:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
Message-ID: <81f4c9cc48bc9847ea150c964ef538aa@mail.gmail.com>

Dave:



Your comments about the Christmas Day fire at TRF were nasty,
mean-spirited, and ignoble. Please refrain from posting such bile.



Shame on you.



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Dec 27 17:57:40 2023
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:57:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
In-Reply-To: <17AA6DE7-D5D9-48FA-9617-E66CA61C1EFD@stevethorntonlaw.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAiMfRmoX3+mtHen=FqXSC6G3tktyj0TbC=zW=9zWrMFQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <bb9c6ed9e402437c9c802e50bcd25273@ranteer.com>
 <17AA6DE7-D5D9-48FA-9617-E66CA61C1EFD@stevethorntonlaw.com>
Message-ID: <922601da3928$db8e6bb0$92ab4310$@bell.net>

Well said Steve. Thanks for stating so well what many of us were thinking.

 

Keith

Keith Stewart

 <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> keithstewart at bell.net

 <https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/> https://worldoftriumph.godaddysites.com/

 

 

 

From: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 11:07 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire

 

Dave et al- 

 

 

Words matter. So do facts. 

 

The ?valuable cars? were sold as part of Charles?s estate closure. The cars saved from the fire included a TR3, a body shell TR6 and a Spitfire race car that was bought by John Swauger and gifted back to Albert and TRF. 

 

If you have evidence of arson, say it, if you feel so compelled. Otherwise, your words are hollow, and perhaps actionable. 

 

Good taste requires compassion and kindness at a time like this- in my humble opinion. 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 19:13:07 2023
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 20:13:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
References: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YC3qiqR7ovt5uJvVYE3oi5CP=145JhDAthRs8rak4engQ@mail.gmail.com>

Try this:
https://hamiltoncountyr3source.org/410/Search-More#!rc-cpage=264210

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 8:11?PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are
> you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the
> greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company
> that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there
> something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Dec 27 21:25:56 2023
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2023 22:25:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
References: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
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Check your local codes, recycling rules, some say limited amounts are ok to
dump down the toilet, some don't.  If no local recycling maybe ok to dump
down the drain (sewer drain, not storm drain).

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 7:42 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are
> you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the
> greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company
> that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there
> something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Dec 27 21:26:46 2023
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 04:26:46 +0000
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
In-Reply-To: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
References: <8E0D0AD6-E04A-4547-9501-2D98ABD9533F@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <SA1PR14MB46119EBFB16DA09D28891E3EFA9EA@SA1PR14MB4611.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

In Albuquerque, some of the Jiffilubes will take used antifreeze.

Cliff

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2023, at 8:22?PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Thu Dec 28 04:16:28 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David Porter)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 04:16:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
Message-ID: <d660owm5ry6ysie2afamkdhq.1703762188805@email.android.com>

Residents in ABQ. also have a hazardous waste repository on Edith blvd. No charge and no questions... DaveP

On December 27, 2023, at 10:42 PM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:

In Albuquerque, some of the Jiffilubes will take used antifreeze.

Cliff

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2023, at 8:22?PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Dec 28 05:31:47 2023
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Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 12:31:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] Go fund me and pics for TRF
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From albertrunyan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 28 07:07:37 2023
From: albertrunyan at gmail.com (albert runyan)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 09:07:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
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David Northrup-
I think you have being an "asshole" confused with being a "patriot". Have
you ever heard of being a "gentleman"?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kPUyh2wHMT2UVpaJ6

If anyone would like to help, please consider making a donation to the
Armagh Volunteer Fire Department.
Cheers
Albert
TRF
Onward and Upward

On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 2:04?PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Against my better judgement.  Whether your statements are actionable is
> debatable.
>
> However, the actionable in this case has nothing to do with free speech
> and government action.  Freedom of speech relates to the limitations on the
> government taking action against you based on something you said (or wrote
> or otherwise communicated).
>
> That doesn't keep a party who may be injured or damaged by something you
> say either verbally or in writing from suing you in a civil action.  Or as
> I like to say, in this great country of ours anybody can sue anybody for
> anything.
>
> Please don't make it political when it is not.   Kind of a sad state of
> affairs when every little thing that doesn't go somebody's way or is
> perceived as an attack, insult, or slight, has to attributed to one "side"
> or the other .
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2023, 8:58 AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>> suggesting that my words are "actionable" shows an extreme ignorance of
>> the law and the constitution.
>>
>>
>>
>> despite what the Biden administration, the DOJ, and liberal democrats
>> have been pushing, this is a country of free speech and it means exactly
>> that.
>>
>>
>>
>> the arson investigators will be seriously looking at this.  the fire
>> occurred at a time when no one would be working late and no one, including
>> the volunteer firefighters or witnesses, would be around.  And, if as some
>> have suggested, that the business was struggling, that just adds more fuel
>> to the fire
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 27, 2023 5:41 AM
>> *To:* Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>; Listserv Triumph <
>> triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Junk]Re: [TR] Roadster Factory Christmas day fire
>>
>>
>>
>> Larry and Steve,
>>
>> Well said and I completely agree with you. There is no place for positing
>> such negative and actionable language on a public platform without facts
>> and at a time of great loss. My heart is heavy for the Runyan family and
>> TRF employees.  TRF has been an important family member to me for the past
>> 30 years and the loss is devastating to our Triumph community.  My
>> grandmother always taught me that if you don?t have something good to say
>> then don?t say it.
>>
>> Jim Henningsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2023, at 5:39?AM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Dave, you are a valued member of this list. However, these comments are
>> speculative. The problems concerning the investment program and the ill
>> will from those that lost money is understandable. However, Albert is now
>> the owner of TRF, not his father.
>>
>>
>>
>> The 3 cars in the showroom were saved by the firefighters before the fire
>> got to that part of the building.  Albert has worked extremely hard to keep
>> the business going. If I remember correctly, he had to purchase TRF from
>> Charles' estate at a value approved by the court. At the 6-pack Trials I
>> understand he was excited and discussed plans for improvements coming in
>> 2024. His sister's MG was destroyed in the fire along with more cars not in
>> the showroom area. The value of those three cars saved would be small
>> compared to the inventory including irreplaceable NOS parts and tooling
>> patterns, etc. It will be up to the fire marshall to determine the cause of
>> the fire.
>>
>>
>>
>> The total loss of TRF is a tragedy that will have a significant effect on
>> our hobby. I can't imagine how hard this is for Albert and the wonderful
>> current staff at TRF. They deserve our support, not speculation about what
>> happened.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2023 at 10:41?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> Given how the people in the Roadster Factory Investment Program were
>> treated after Charles Runyon died, it would not surprise me if this fire
>> was deliberate but done in a way that will not arouse suspicion.  I suspect
>> the insurance payout will be much more than the living business would have
>> brought in a sale.  And coincidentally, the really valuable cars were in a
>> different building and seemed to have survived.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.tribdem.com/news/roadster-factory-a-total-loss-after-christmas-morning-fire-armagh-chief-says/article_9fd287e2-a330-11ee-90de-7319c0164473.html
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Dec 28 09:02:06 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 16:02:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
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There's an old saying that goes "The solution to pollution is dilution."? That said pouring a gallon or so of antifreeze down the sanitary sewer (NOT the storm sewer) will dilute it with many thousands of gallons of water from your toilet and all your neighbors' toilets and showers and dishwashers (etc) diluting it to the point of a few PPM.

Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 07:52:38 PM CST, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:  
 
 I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Thu Dec 28 10:20:54 2023
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 10:20:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
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Yeah, drain cleaners, toilet bowl acids and the like don't seem to be an 
issue... LOL

DaveP

On 12/28/2023 9:02 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> There's an old saying that goes "The solution to pollution is 
> dilution."? That said pouring a gallon or so of antifreeze down the 
> sanitary sewer (NOT the storm sewer) will dilute it with many 
> thousands of gallons of water from your toilet and all your neighbors' 
> toilets and showers and dishwashers (etc) diluting it to the point of 
> a few PPM.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 27, 2023 at 07:52:38 PM CST, Dave Connitt 
> <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>
>
> I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where 
> are you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere 
> in the greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some 
> national company that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze 
> in my TR4A. Is there something I can add to the antifreeze to 
> neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 28 11:10:54 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 18:10:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Go fund me and pics for TRF
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 i hope the roadster factory rebuilds.in the early 1990's i lived and worked for Season All, a company located in Indiana Pa just a hop skip and jump from TRF.it was the second largest employer in Indiana county with manufacturing plants in 3 towns.it was a wonderful place to live. the people were great and friendly to this immigrant.there is not a lot of money there. in that a working mans wage is rather low when compared to a lot of places.the community is small and there are very few jobs.when Season All decided to close its doors it was devastating to the county.where would these hundreds of people go for work?thankfully the Gorell family stepped in and kept the business alive and saved the community.unfortunately that came too late for me to stay and i had to relocate.i guess my point is this small town community needs all the help it can get.been hit when the steel went away and this small town was hurt a second time when its major industry went away.many friends suffered unemployment for a long time.its not just a loss of a supplier to me, its the loss of friends.Chuck was always my go to guy. he always came through for me. as i think about the pain i suffered back in the 90's i think of Chuck and how he will survive.it must have been horrible for him to realize on Christmas day that he was going to be unemployed come 2024.and the rest of the staff and Alberts family.i met Albert at a triumfest and his plans for the future of the company were admirable.anything that grows that lovely part of this country is all good in my opinion.if Albert decides there is a future for TRF ill be contributing all i can.
Frank


    On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 06:03:44 AM PST, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
  
https://www.gofundme.com/f/the-roadster-factory?utm_campaign=p_cp+share-sheet&utm_medium=sms&utm_source=customer
 
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Thu Dec 28 19:24:09 2023
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2023 21:24:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Dec 29 05:33:56 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 12:33:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] British Leyland side badges
Message-ID: <D8AB2507-6D48-45EB-8F50-98F6CB454517@gmx.com>

I?m talking of the badges mounted on the sides of each front wing on a TR6. Ive received an email from an enthusiast wanting to know the positioning dimensions. AFAIR they were fitted using a simple hand-positioned jig with a spring loaded ?pusher? that punched the badge on to the panel. The fact that many later fell off as the cars went for shipment is the result of why so many have later got positioned in the oddest of locations and speaks realms for the unsatisfactory nature of the adhesive, but with engines that leaked oil and water from new, what can one expect? :) 
If anyone still has an original car with the original badges (a vain hope) still defiantly firmly attached, the left and right hand side measurements to the badge base and left or right hand edges would be a plus. Even more of a plus would be to have those measurements in centimetres as my enquirer doesn?t have an imperial measurements rule. A useful converter that may help is 2.54 centimetres to 1 inch. Many thanks to anyone who can assist, particularly those with poor eyesight and arthriticky joints requiring you to lie on a cold, concrete garage floor at a time of year when such activities should be summer pursuits.
Oh, and Happy New Year!

Jonmac

From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 10:25:50 2023
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 12:25:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Recycling used antifreeze
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My community has  a "Center for Hard to Recycle Materials".  Run by the
county's Solid Waste department, their goal is to keep these sort of things
out of the normal waste stream where they don't belong.  Costs me $2 or $3
for out-of-county residents, plus a small fee for some materials.

https://www.accgov.com/5894/Hard-to-Recycle-Materials-CHaRM

Perhaps your community has one as well?



On Wed, Dec 27, 2023 at 9:07?PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> I may have asked this before but if I did I apologize. How or where are
> you guys disposing of your used antifreeze? I can?t find anywhere in the
> greater Cincinnati area but was wondering if there is some national company
> that will take it. I need to replace the antifreeze in my TR4A. Is there
> something I can add to the antifreeze to neutralize it?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Dec 30 23:14:10 2023
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 22:14:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective YouTube
 video
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A video to give an idea of what was lost in the fire


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This video from a couple years ago, shows the reality of this terrible 
loss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxL_5sp9El8
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 31 05:21:16 2023
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 07:21:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective
 YouTube video
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Great video tour. Hadn?t been in there in 20 years.  Thanks for sharing.  So sad it is gone.
Jim Henningsen

> On Dec 31, 2023, at 1:43?AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> A video to give an idea of what was lost in the fire
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> 
> This video from a couple years ago, shows the reality of this terrible loss.  
> 
>  
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Dec 31 06:39:00 2023
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 13:39:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective
 YouTube video
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Thanks for sharing.? One forgets just how many different parts go into each car and then multiply that by the different cars supported and you easily get an acre of parts on hand.? A HUGE investment.? Odds are insurance will barely scratch the surface on that loss.
Heck, there's a lot of money in just the shelving.
Dave 


 

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A video to give an idea of what was lost in the fire
 
 
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Dec 31 07:30:00 2023
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 09:30:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective
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What a nice reminder of what Charles, his family, and his employees had assembled. And now it is gone. How sad. I think we were last there when TRF hosted a VTR convention at the Summer Party - probably back in the 1990's. Thanks for sending!

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
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A video to give an idea of what was lost in the fire


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This video from a couple years ago, shows the reality of this terrible loss.   

 

  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxL_5sp9El8 

  

 

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Dec 31 09:01:54 2023
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Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 11:01:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 31 12:53:57 2023
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 19:53:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Saddening Roadster Factory retrospective
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 thanks TeriAnni kinda touched on this earlier.knowing indiana county so well it really is painful for me to know all these nice people are now unemployed.such minimal prospects in this county.for me its not just the loss of a great supplier, its the continued loss of a great part of america.
best wishes to hope for you future.
frank

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sun Dec 31 16:17:48 2023
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2023 23:17:48 +0000
Subject: [TR] Leyland side badges
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Dennis, many thanks for your kind offer. Jeff Scarborough was generously first past the post with pix and a metric rule alongside. These have been forwarded to the guy who contacted me who lives in Norway and I have today received an email of thanks to pass on to Jeff. Even though I?ve been on this list for at least 25 years, I?m still amazed at how a little cry for help from any remote corner of the world, can be answered from another remote corner - with pictures, and all within 24 hours or a tad more or less.
Thanks again everyone

Jonmac

> On 31 Dec 2023, at 17:32, Dennis Kruse <dennisrkruse at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Do you still need help with location of these? I have a 1974 TR6 with original badges if you need my help let me know.
>  
> Dennis
>  
> Dennis R Kruse
> +1 571 278 5596
> dennisrkruse at gmail.com
>  
> 1150 W Schultz Pass Road
> Flagstaff AZ 86001
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