From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jun  1 06:02:10 2022
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 12:02:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c@yahoo.com>
References: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c.ref@yahoo.com>
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I went through three digital stabilizers in my TR4 before I reverted to an original analog one and haven?t had a problem since.
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:13 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer


     I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that has a long life?

     TIA,

     Bill Brewer

     Morro Bay, CA

     1960 TR3

     1953 Morgan Plus4

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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Wed Jun  1 08:24:15 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:24:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB765512248307A5449008137DCADF9@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DS7PR07MB765512248307A5449008137DCADF9@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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I found the same thing.  Replaced functioning original voltage regulator for solid state.  The solid state regulator lasted about a year and I?m back to the reliable analog original 
Bob
TR6 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 1, 2022, at 8:05 AM, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I went through three digital stabilizers in my TR4 before I reverted to an original analog one and haven?t had a problem since.
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, MI
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Brewer
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 10:13 PM
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
>  
>      I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that has a long life?
> 
>      TIA,
> 
>      Bill Brewer
> 
>      Morro Bay, CA
> 
>      1960 TR3
> 
>      1953 Morgan Plus4
> 
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 10:25:38 2022
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 09:25:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEAfjT-S0Q8BVA0V46gACp_B+ezNSDqwpe8O+_tr+9RNg@mail.gmail.com>

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-triumph-classic-car/7484751559.html

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun  1 10:36:55 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:36:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB765512248307A5449008137DCADF9@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c.ref@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1293679988.5834943.1654101415894@mail.yahoo.com>

 Not to be pedantic, but the original is a digital regulator.? It is composed of the bimetal spring and a heater? As the heater heats up the bimetal spring will open the contacts and switch off the heater (and the voltage to the gauges).? As the spring cools off the spring will switch the power back on and so the cycle continues giving an average voltage of 10 volts.
The electronic versions are actually analog.? They use a classic integrated circuit voltage regulator that is a tried and proven part.? If they are prone to failure it is because the designer did not make proper precautions against the very unfriendly environment a car's electric power system is.? This is especially true in older cars.? When loads are switched on and off there are voltage spikes, both positive and negative, that will far exceed the ratings on typical solid state components.? Motors are especially prone to doing this.? Heater fans, wipers, starter motors.
I have designed many custom electronic devices for my cars and I have never had one fail.? But I don't cheap out on the protection devices.? The Crane ignition module is another example of an electronic device that stands up well to the nastiness doled out by the car's electrical system.

All that said, I still run an OE voltage stabilizer in my TR6.? Never found a need to change it.
 
Dave 


 
 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jun  1 11:10:53 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:10:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEAfjT-S0Q8BVA0V46gACp_B+ezNSDqwpe8O+_tr+9RNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEAfjT-S0Q8BVA0V46gACp_B+ezNSDqwpe8O+_tr+9RNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65193480391c4448bfdcbf5d1987cfe5@ranteer.com>

Easy restoration; no rust!

Actually looks like a fun project.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:26 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; TTSCC at googlegroups.com
Subject: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA

https://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/d/dayton-triumph-classic-car/7484751559.html

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 11:58:08 2022
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (William Brewer)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:58:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs
References: <df1d45e9-b183-3707-456f-bd2ab9e1f44a.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <df1d45e9-b183-3707-456f-bd2ab9e1f44a@yahoo.com>

 ???? I just snapped off a rear wheel stud on my TR3. It twisted and 
snapped about 3 threads into the rear axle flange. Question: With the 
studs out is it a through hole to the back of the axle flange or is it a 
bottomed hole? I need to get an EZ-out in there and want to make sure 
that it is okay to drill straight through.

 ???? Also, does anyone have a TR3 or TR4 disk wheel stud that they can 
spare that they can give/sell me?

 ???? Thanks,

 ???? -Bill Brewer

 ???? Morro Bay, CA


From spamiam at comcast.net  Wed Jun  1 12:40:00 2022
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:40:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1654106403.22486.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.11.1654106403.22486.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CE8FA265-F4BE-410E-85D4-DBFBAC00A73B@comcast.net>

I built my own voltage stabilizer.

At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.

I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.

Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.

As I recall,  These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.

Not ideal

All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.

My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A

I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.

-Tony

> 
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage 
> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 
> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage 
> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal 
> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage 
> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that 
> has a long life?


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 12:49:03 2022
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 11:49:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFHVt5XYhTK6kMPZuNieyWRQ9q7kOiVgTM0+VfyN2by9Q@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373913258102189/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad8e31fbc-0575-4f0c-8c90-53414817d6b3

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 13:07:33 2022
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (William Brewer)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 12:07:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <CE8FA265-F4BE-410E-85D4-DBFBAC00A73B@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.11.1654106403.22486.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <faaba766-7b5c-bad3-a349-b06602490e3d@yahoo.com>

 ???? I would definitely be interested in more details & schematics.

 ???? -Bill Brewer


On 6/1/2022 11:40 AM, Anthony Rhodes wrote:
> I built my own voltage stabilizer.
>
> At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.
>
> I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.
>
> Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.
>
> As I recall,  These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.
>
> Not ideal
>
> All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.
>
> My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A
>
> I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.
>
> -Tony
>
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
>> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
>> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>>
>> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage
>> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the
>> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage
>> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal
>> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage
>> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that
>> has a long life?

From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 13:38:42 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:38:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <CE8FA265-F4BE-410E-85D4-DBFBAC00A73B@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.11.1654106403.22486.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <CE8FA265-F4BE-410E-85D4-DBFBAC00A73B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPgTsXwRsOn-eZ-4V90N7xr9i=59yvj1j_uf0PYKnQ0ig@mail.gmail.com>

And I as well.  I was thinking it should be a simple device, but had not
dug into the details.  I know that the single component won't be enough,
though.

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022, 14:40 Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:

> I built my own voltage stabilizer.
>
> At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of
> a crude shunt regulator.
>
> I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.
>
> Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic
> regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other
> components around it.
>
> As I recall,  These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent
> over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.
>
> Not ideal
>
> All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output
> side of the regulator.
>
> My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004
> with no problems in a TR4A
>
> I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are
> interested.
>
> -Tony
>
> >
> > On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> > From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> > Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> >
> > ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage
> > stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the
> > 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage
> > stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal
> > about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage
> > style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that
> > has a long life?
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun  1 14:18:25 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 20:18:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <CE8FA265-F4BE-410E-85D4-DBFBAC00A73B@comcast.net>
References: <mailman.11.1654106403.22486.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <386894490.5968129.1654114705702@mail.yahoo.com>

 I go way beyond that.? First I use a 1N4004 to protect against negative-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), then I place a 15V Zener or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which can be as high as 120V).? Depending on the application I also include a low value resistor or polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.? Then there is the input filter as you pointed out.
This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability to test for optimum and considering I'm only going to build a few (or one) of these things a little overkill is cheap insurance.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

I built my own voltage stabilizer.

At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.

I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.

Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.

As I recall,? These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.

Not ideal

All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.

My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A

I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.

-Tony

> 
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage 
> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 
> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage 
> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal 
> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage 
> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that 
> has a long life?

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  1 15:20:40 2022
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (William Brewer)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:20:40 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs
In-Reply-To: <df1d45e9-b183-3707-456f-bd2ab9e1f44a@yahoo.com>
References: <df1d45e9-b183-3707-456f-bd2ab9e1f44a@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <33115229-cc94-8eef-e6a5-4a8ed1c166a4@yahoo.com>

 ???? Just to clarify, the broken stud was a screw-in stud and not the 
pressed-in stud.

661-320 STUD, disc wheel | Moss Motors 
<https://mossmotors.com/stud-disc-wheel-4>

 ???? In this rare occurrence, I don't need any other parts at the 
moment and can't make the minimum Moss order. I guess that I can load up 
on things that I may need in the future...

 ???? Does anyone have a spare laying around? The disk wheel studs have 
16 or 17 threads on the outside. The wire wheel studs have about 12.

 ???? -Bill Brewer



On 6/1/2022 10:58 AM, William Brewer wrote:
> ???? I just snapped off a rear wheel stud on my TR3. It twisted and 
> snapped about 3 threads into the rear axle flange. Question: With the 
> studs out is it a through hole to the back of the axle flange or is it 
> a bottomed hole? I need to get an EZ-out in there and want to make 
> sure that it is okay to drill straight through.
>
> ???? Also, does anyone have a TR3 or TR4 disk wheel stud that they can 
> spare that they can give/sell me?
>
> ???? Thanks,
>
> ???? -Bill Brewer
>
> ???? Morro Bay, CA
>
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun  1 15:43:56 2022
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 21:43:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] sixpack
References: <1364181650.5987352.1654119836998.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1364181650.5987352.1654119836998@mail.yahoo.com>

John, Ask Mark B who runs this forum. Regards
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jun  1 16:04:39 2022
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:04:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFHVt5XYhTK6kMPZuNieyWRQ9q7kOiVgTM0+VfyN2by9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFHVt5XYhTK6kMPZuNieyWRQ9q7kOiVgTM0+VfyN2by9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009a01d87603$974cc580$c5e65080$@charter.net>

?Slight chassis alignment recommended?

 

Alex Thomson

?73 TR6

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2022 2:49 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373913258102189/?ref=search <https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373913258102189/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad8e31fbc-0575-4f0c-8c90-53414817d6b3> &referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad8e31fbc-0575-4f0c-8c90-53414817d6b3


 

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 16:08:27 2022
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:08:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale
In-Reply-To: <009a01d87603$974cc580$c5e65080$@charter.net>
References: <CANLCLaFHVt5XYhTK6kMPZuNieyWRQ9q7kOiVgTM0+VfyN2by9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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But Alex, it's listed in 'Fair' condition!!   :- )

Dave

On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 6:07 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
wrote:

> ?Slight chassis alignment recommended?
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> ?73 TR6
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 01, 2022 2:49 PM
> *To:* Triumphs
> *Subject:* [TR] TR^ for sale
>
>
>
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/373913258102189/?ref=search&referral_code=marketplace_search&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3Ad8e31fbc-0575-4f0c-8c90-53414817d6b3
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Wed Jun  1 16:20:02 2022
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:20:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs
Message-ID: <DCD03DDA-C1AD-4B18-B179-9735B4039177@gmail.com>

The rear studs are screwed in the face of the hub and peened over on the backside. I imagine that the factory used some big tool to do this?it looks more like a rivet. I?m not sure what kind of trouble that will cause with the ez-out. Of course pulling the hub off is going from bad to worse. 
Allen

From spamiam at comcast.net  Wed Jun  1 17:05:09 2022
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:05:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <386894490.5968129.1654114705702@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <386894490.5968129.1654114705702@mail.yahoo.com>
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Excellent circuit protection!

In automotive applications I don?t think there is TOO much protection.   

So far the LM2940?s own protection has been sufficient.  But the car does not do very many miles each year.  So it may simply be too soon to know 

-Tony

> 
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:18 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I go way beyond that.  First I use a 1N4004 to protect against negative-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), then I place a 15V Zener or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which can be as high as 120V).  Depending on the application I also include a low value resistor or polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.  Then there is the input filter as you pointed out.
> 
> This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability to test for optimum and considering I'm only going to build a few (or one) of these things a little overkill is cheap insurance.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Cc: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com
> Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> 
> I built my own voltage stabilizer.
> 
> At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.
> 
> I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.
> 
> Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.
> 
> As I recall,  These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.
> 
> Not ideal
> 
> All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.
> 
> My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A
> 
> I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.
> 
> -Tony
> 
> > 
> > On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> > From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> > Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> > 
> > ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage 
> > stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 
> > 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage 
> > stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal 
> > about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage 
> > style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that 
> > has a long life?
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun  1 20:50:42 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 02:50:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <8DB10AE4-02CF-4543-80F9-632AE0DC5F7D@comcast.net>
References: <386894490.5968129.1654114705702@mail.yahoo.com>
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 And the 1N4004 diode provides reverse polarity protection in case someone (certainly not any of us!) connects the battery wrong way round.
In my line of work making stuff goof-proof pays off in the long run. 
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; billbrewer59 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 6:05 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

Excellent circuit protection!
In automotive applications I don?t think there is TOO much protection. ??
So far the LM2940?s own protection has been sufficient. ?But the car does not do very many miles each year. ?So it may simply be too soon to know?
-Tony


On Jun 1, 2022, at 4:18 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:



? I go way beyond that.? First I use a 1N4004 to protect against negative-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), then I place a 15V Zener or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which can be as high as 120V).? Depending on the application I also include a low value resistor or polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.? Then there is the input filter as you pointed out.
This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability to test for optimum and considering I'm only going to build a few (or one) of these things a little overkill is cheap insurance.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

I built my own voltage stabilizer.

At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.

I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.

Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.

As I recall,? These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.

Not ideal

All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.

My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A

I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.

-Tony

> 
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage 
> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the 
> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage 
> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal 
> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage 
> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that 
> has a long life?

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun  1 21:00:26 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 03:00:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA
In-Reply-To: <65193480391c4448bfdcbf5d1987cfe5@ranteer.com>
References: <CANLCLaEAfjT-S0Q8BVA0V46gACp_B+ezNSDqwpe8O+_tr+9RNg@mail.gmail.com>
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 And it looks like its all there.? It's got all the glass and that is important.? If only I had the room.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 12:10 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Jun  1 21:43:30 2022
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 03:43:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
In-Reply-To: <386894490.5968129.1654114705702@mail.yahoo.com>
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Now I want to build one to have on hand as a spare.

Care to share a schematic?

Cliff


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From: DAVID MASSEY<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:19 PM
To: spamiam at comcast.net<mailto:spamiam at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com<mailto:billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer

I go way beyond that.  First I use a 1N4004 to protect against negative-going spikes (which car be as high as -80 volts), then I place a 15V Zener or TVS to clamp any positive-going pulses (which can be as high as 120V).  Depending on the application I also include a low value resistor or polyfuse to limit the current the TVS needs to sink.  Then there is the input filter as you pointed out.

This may be a bit of overkill but without the ability to test for optimum and considering I'm only going to build a few (or one) of these things a little overkill is cheap insurance.

Dave




-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, Jun 1, 2022 1:40 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
I built my own voltage stabilizer.

At the time, Moss had one that used a diode and a transistor as a form of a crude shunt regulator.

I used a LM2940?10 automotive low dropout 10 V analog regulator.

Sense and I have seen photographs of the guts of the newer electronic regulators. It appears they use a single voltage regulator with no other components around it.

As I recall,  These used a through hole TO 220 device with the legs bent over 90 degrees and no heat sinking.

Not ideal

All these analog regulators need proper capacitors on the input in output side of the regulator.

My regulator with the LM 2940?10 has been in use since probably about 2004 with no problems in a TR4A

I can give further details, schematics, etc. to people if they are interested.

-Tony

>
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 2:01 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 19:12:36 -0700
> From: William Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com<mailto:billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>>
> To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [TR] TR4/6 Voltage Stabilizer
> Message-ID: <4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com<mailto:4b9c278c-ffbf-4d70-5f30-9e75ceb2468c at yahoo.com>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>
> ???? I have a TR4 temperature gauge in my TR3. The Moss gauge voltage
> stabilizer only lasted a few thousand miles and the quit outputting the
> 10 volts. Anybody else having short lifespans on their voltage
> stabilizers? Are there better ones out there? Moss makes a big deal
> about "Modern electronics in a vintage style housing". Screw the vintage
> style housing, I want dependability. Is there an aftermarket one that
> has a long life?

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jun  2 04:45:05 2022
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:45:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs
In-Reply-To: <33115229-cc94-8eef-e6a5-4a8ed1c166a4@yahoo.com>
References: <df1d45e9-b183-3707-456f-bd2ab9e1f44a@yahoo.com>
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What type do you need? Wire or disk?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Brewer
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:21 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs


     Just to clarify, the broken stud was a screw-in stud and not the pressed-in stud.

    661-320 STUD, disc wheel | Moss Motors<https://mossmotors.com/stud-disc-wheel-4>

     In this rare occurrence, I don't need any other parts at the moment and can't make the minimum Moss order. I guess that I can load up on things that I may need in the future...

     Does anyone have a spare laying around? The disk wheel studs have 16 or 17 threads on the outside. The wire wheel studs have about 12.

     -Bill Brewer




On 6/1/2022 10:58 AM, William Brewer wrote:
     I just snapped off a rear wheel stud on my TR3. It twisted and snapped about 3 threads into the rear axle flange. Question: With the studs out is it a through hole to the back of the axle flange or is it a bottomed hole? I need to get an EZ-out in there and want to make sure that it is okay to drill straight through.

     Also, does anyone have a TR3 or TR4 disk wheel stud that they can spare that they can give/sell me?

     Thanks,

     -Bill Brewer

     Morro Bay, CA
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Thu Jun  2 10:25:57 2022
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:25:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs
In-Reply-To: <DCD03DDA-C1AD-4B18-B179-9735B4039177@gmail.com>
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Since the threads go through the hub, maybe the broken stud could be turned out through the back: drill a pilot in the broken stud, thread the pilot for a small right-hand screw, use heat, penetrant, and the small screw to turn the broken stud. There?s probably an easier way.

Cliff


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From: Allen Hess<mailto:allen.k.hess at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:21 PM
To: triumphs list<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 Rear Wheel Studs

The rear studs are screwed in the face of the hub and peened over on the backside. I imagine that the factory used some big tool to do this?it looks more like a rivet. I?m not sure what kind of trouble that will cause with the ez-out. Of course pulling the hub off is going from bad to worse.
Allen
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  2 13:02:39 2022
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 15:02:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4a part needed
Message-ID: <7BE15870-DDB6-400E-A665-535825F431EB@gmail.com>

Anyone have a nice NOS or really hood used set of tr4 4a 250 side marker assemblies and rear tail light housings 
Please contact me direct
Thanks
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala FL
Trguy75 at gmail.com

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jun  3 17:09:49 2022
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 19:09:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhhAT3A64a6emh0pGhx--kyQrjO9oeJp4HRcaZDT5o=yw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFHVt5XYhTK6kMPZuNieyWRQ9q7kOiVgTM0+VfyN2by9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a 69 Tr6 and it has the beading between the fender and rear coping.

This one seems to have it as well. Was that just a 1969 thing?

Thanks
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jun  4 06:58:34 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:58:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR^ for sale
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMEXhF5+Q1JKTyiVXLJokZ32LyPdaerH6cnEXZk+OzUZA@mail.gmail.com>
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 I remember reading that once.? It was a carry-over from the TR4/5/250 but was done only that first year.? Just like the body-color windshield frame.? These were probably cost-cutting measures in subsequent years.
 
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I have a 69 Tr6 and it has the beading between the fender and rear coping.?
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Sun Jun  5 07:35:04 2022
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 13:35:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph 2000 for sale in USA
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 I'm sure you are correct about the rust being free; there looks to be plenty of it (much of it under failing Bondo)! :(
 
--Andy 
Andrew Mace
ZoboHerald at aol.com

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us 
 
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From oertwig at mac.com  Sun Jun  5 13:47:04 2022
From: oertwig at mac.com (Stephen Oertwig)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 15:47:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] I bought it
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Thanks, Sujit, for tipping me off to this 2000.  I will add another to my collection.  Jim and I came to agreement on price, and I will pick it up this month.  My search for a 2000 estate will be delayed now.

I have two friends who are looking for 2000s.  If anyone hears of cars out there, let us know.  

Andy, you may be correct.  I?m sure it has some of the rust as installed at the factory.  It appears to be a complete car, and a manual to boot.  The two Mk 1s I have are missing the rear window, so this is worth just having all the glass to take three and make one good 2000.  

If any of you are in Missouri, you can stop by and touch them.

This 2000 is our 42nd wedding anniversary.  I just haven?t told my wife yet.  It will be a ?surprise.?

Steve O


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I'm sure you are correct about the rust being free; there looks to be plenty of it (much of it under failing Bondo)! :(

--Andy 
Andrew Mace
ZoboHerald at aol.com

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 16:07:01 2022
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 15:07:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] I bought it
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Great. I know someone on the west coast in my club who has one. His is left
hand drive

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 12:47 PM Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks, Sujit, for tipping me off to this 2000.  I will add another to my
> collection.  Jim and I came to agreement on price, and I will pick it up
> this month.  My search for a 2000 estate will be delayed now.
>
> I have two friends who are looking for 2000s.  If anyone hears of cars out
> there, let us know.
>
> Andy, you may be correct.  I?m sure it has some of the rust as installed
> at the factory.  It appears to be a complete car, and a manual to boot.
> The two Mk 1s I have are missing the rear window, so this is worth just
> having all the glass to take three and make one good 2000.
>
> If any of you are in Missouri, you can stop by and touch them.
>
> This 2000 is our 42nd wedding anniversary.  I just haven?t told my wife
> yet.  It will be a ?surprise.?
>
> Steve O
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Triumph 2000 for sale in USA (Andrew S. Mace)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 13:35:04 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
> To: "dave at ranteer.com" <dave at ranteer.com>,  "triumphs at autox.team.net"
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>
> I'm sure you are correct about the rust being free; there looks to be
> plenty of it (much of it under failing Bondo)! :(
>
> --Andy
> Andrew Mace
> ZoboHerald at aol.com
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
>
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Thanks, Sujit, for tipping me off to this 2000.? I will add another to my collection.? Jim and I came to agreement on price, and I will pick it up this month.? My search for a 2000 estate will be delayed now.

I have two friends who are looking for 2000s.? If anyone hears of cars out there, let us know.? 

Andy, you may be correct.? I?m sure it has some of the rust as installed at the factory.? It appears to be a complete car, and a manual to boot.? The two Mk 1s I have are missing the rear window, so this is worth just having all the glass to take three and make one good 2000.? 

If any of you are in Missouri, you can stop by and touch them.

This 2000 is our 42nd wedding anniversary.? I just haven?t told my wife yet.? It will be a ?surprise.?

Steve O


Today's Topics:

? 1. Re: Triumph 2000 for sale in USA (Andrew S. Mace)


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Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 13:35:04 +0000 (UTC)
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
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I'm sure you are correct about the rust being free; there looks to be plenty of it (much of it under failing Bondo)! :(

--Andy 
Andrew Mace
ZoboHerald at aol.com

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us 

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Great. I know someone on the west coast in my club who has one. His is left
hand drive

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022, 12:47 PM Stephen Oertwig <oertwig at mac.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thanks, Sujit, for tipping me off to this 2000.? I will add another to my
> collection.? Jim and I came to agreement on price, and I will pick it up
> this month.? My search for a 2000 estate will be delayed now.
>
> I have two friends who are looking for 2000s.? If anyone hears of cars out
> there, let us know.
>
> Andy, you may be correct.? I?m sure it has some of the rust as installed
> at the factory.? It appears to be a complete car, and a manual to boot.
> The two Mk 1s I have are missing the rear window, so this is worth just
> having all the glass to take three and make one good 2000.
>
> If any of you are in Missouri, you can stop by and touch them.
>
> This 2000 is our 42nd wedding anniversary.? I just haven?t told my wife
> yet.? It will be a ?surprise.?
>
> Steve O
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>? 1. Re: Triumph 2000 for sale in USA (Andrew S. Mace)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 13:35:04 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
> To: "dave at ranteer.com" <dave at ranteer.com>,? "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>? ? ? ? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I'm sure you are correct about the rust being free; there looks to be
> plenty of it (much of it under failing Bondo)! :(
>
> --Andy
> Andrew Mace
> ZoboHerald at aol.com
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
> Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us
>
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> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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From actionsl at att.net  Tue Jun  7 13:47:15 2022
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 12:47:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Body
References: <33537813-604C-4E7F-8BF9-2F53B0407D4B.ref@att.net>
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Anyone need a TR4A body? Los Angeles area

Carl

From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 22:08:05 2022
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 21:08:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] TriumphsOnly Wayne is back in town
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE8cJrLaG+bc+1uam39P6SP403adJLomZe-xzvggMMdTQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From a FB post. but no. number given this time

All year Triumph TR6
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cars and parts. PICK UP ONLY in Stockton Ca 95205 I?m here until June 25th.
Have several complete TR6s, body tubs, wings, TR6 factory AC units,
bonnets, engines, transmissions(NO A type OD?s) luggage racks, clips, doors
and so on. CARS AND PARTS ARE IN STOCKTON CA 95205 Please PM me

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From actionsl at att.net  Fri Jun 10 13:50:23 2022
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:50:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?

Carl

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Jun 10 14:16:16 2022
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:16:16 +0000
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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If you know it is in working order, I'd say you could get $1000 these days.  Interested in what others think.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Overdrive

How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?

Carl
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 14:43:05 2022
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:43:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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Local guy has one on Craigslist, advertised as inoperative transmission,
overdrive unknown, wants $1100.  Asking is not getting, but for known good
or rebuilt probably $1000 or more--maybe under a grand for club buddy
price, but more commercial type transaction grand would probably be the low
end.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:16 PM auprichard uprichard.net <
auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

> If you know it is in working order, I'd say you could get $1000 these
> days.  Interested in what others think.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl Carlson
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Overdrive
>
> How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?
>
> Carl
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Jun 10 14:59:06 2022
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 20:59:06 +0000
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abtPguS6v+RRpKo3LQYj7Hg4jM22ST_aDZ0YTUfbShsuA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB160738-E99A-4634-91F7-E9325CD64502.ref@att.net>
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I have not been in this game all that long ? restored my first TR in 2004 ? but I remember buying overdrive units for less than $300. But those were the days when gas was ? what? - $1.60 a gallon ?

Oh no, ?I remember when?..? ? I am becoming an old man.  The next thing you know someone will say I am grumpy !

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:43 PM
To: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive

Local guy has one on Craigslist, advertised as inoperative transmission, overdrive unknown, wants $1100.  Asking is not getting, but for known good or rebuilt probably $1000 or more--maybe under a grand for club buddy price, but more commercial type transaction grand would probably be the low end.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:16 PM auprichard uprichard.net<http://uprichard.net> <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
If you know it is in working order, I'd say you could get $1000 these days.  Interested in what others think.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Carl Carlson
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Overdrive

How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?

Carl
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Jun 10 15:22:56 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:22:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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I think the others are way low.  I think its closer to $2k

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 2:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Overdrive

How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?

Carl
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Jun 10 15:51:26 2022
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 15:51:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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References: <EB160738-E99A-4634-91F7-E9325CD64502.ref@att.net>
 <EB160738-E99A-4634-91F7-E9325CD64502@att.net>
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I sold an A type recently for $1200. It only had 46K miles on it, I have the odometer from the car it came from when the car was wrecked and knew the car?s history also.

Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:59 PM, auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> I have not been in this game all that long ? restored my first TR in 2004 ? but I remember buying overdrive units for less than $300. But those were the days when gas was ? what? - $1.60 a gallon ?
>  
> Oh no, ?I remember when?..? ? I am becoming an old man.  The next thing you know someone will say I am grumpy !
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>  
> From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 4:43 PM
> To: auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Overdrive
>  
> Local guy has one on Craigslist, advertised as inoperative transmission, overdrive unknown, wants $1100.  Asking is not getting, but for known good or rebuilt probably $1000 or more--maybe under a grand for club buddy price, but more commercial type transaction grand would probably be the low end.
>  
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>  
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:16 PM auprichard uprichard.net <http://uprichard.net/> <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
> If you know it is in working order, I'd say you could get $1000 these days.  Interested in what others think.
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Carl Carlson
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Overdrive
> 
> How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?
> 
> Carl
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From triumph66 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 17:29:51 2022
From: triumph66 at gmail.com (Ted)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 19:29:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
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Agree - the range is $1,000 to $2,500 depending on condition & provenance.

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 5:52 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> I sold an A type recently for $1200. It only had 46K miles on it, I have
> the odometer from the car it came from when the car was wrecked and knew
> the car?s history also.
>
> Bud
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
> On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:59 PM, auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
> I have not been in this game all that long ? restored my first TR in 2004
> ? but I remember buying overdrive units for less than $300. But those were
> the days when gas was ? what? - $1.60 a gallon ?
>
>
>
> Oh no, ?I remember when?..? ? I am becoming an old man.  The next thing
> you know someone will say I am grumpy !
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 10, 2022 4:43 PM
> *To:* auprichard uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Overdrive
>
>
>
> Local guy has one on Craigslist, advertised as inoperative transmission,
> overdrive unknown, wants $1100.  Asking is not getting, but for known good
> or rebuilt probably $1000 or more--maybe under a grand for club buddy
> price, but more commercial type transaction grand would probably be the low
> end.
>
>
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> TR250
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 3:16 PM auprichard uprichard.net <
> auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
> If you know it is in working order, I'd say you could get $1000 these
> days.  Interested in what others think.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl Carlson
> Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Overdrive
>
> How much is a good useable type A overdrive transmission worth?
>
> Carl
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From artwmcewen at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 13:05:14 2022
From: artwmcewen at gmail.com (Art McEwen)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 15:05:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] Overdrive
Message-ID: <275909F7-781F-4D77-B9B9-CC5EAD6021B4@gmail.com>

>I think the others are way low.  I think its closer to $2k
I just spent $1000 in parts to rebuild mine so yeah $1k is too low.

Art

From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Jun 12 12:12:51 2022
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 11:12:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Rimmer Brothers Tour
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Message-ID: <ae3b0863-db3c-85e5-e150-11fcc44f94f3@att.net>

I was in England recently and visited Rimmer Brothers in Bracebridge Heath.


Mark was kind enough to give me the tour which I made a short video of.


If anyone is interested in seeing it here is a link


https://youtu.be/U8lXlrdk5L0 <https://youtu.be/U8lXlrdk5L0>


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From jhassall at gmail.com  Sun Jun 12 14:03:18 2022
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 16:03:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] A-type OD for sale on Triumph Experience
Message-ID: <CAO=iLWZVRYJ6UTfVkDL9OYwhLKAAT1hgh0nbGbf74-857_KY_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Folks,

The recent discussion about overdrives prompted me to get off bottom dead
center.  I have an A-type OD, professionally rebuilt and "pepped up"
(increased engagement pressure), which I planned to install in my TR4 for
autoxing.  Two knee replacements have scrapped those plans, so the OD is of
no use to me.

I'd really like to see this go to someone who wants to get the most out of
their TR4 or TR5.  This won't fit TR3s unless a fully synchro gearbox has
been fitted.

Please have a look at this link
<https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/buy-sell-and-trade-forum.5/a-type-od-with-original-large-operating.1899497/>


-- 
jim  W4BEA

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are
willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

I sometimes feel bad for the smart people - being simple-minded and easily
entertained is totally the way to go! ;-)
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 16 09:38:04 2022
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:38:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
Message-ID: <11d1301d88197$123caa00$36b5fe00$@bell.net>

I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp
fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely
replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight
forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next.
Any suggestions?

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

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From ronald.olds at mchsi.com  Thu Jun 16 11:02:30 2022
From: ronald.olds at mchsi.com (ronald.olds at mchsi.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
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Keith, 

I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is energized. When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and dissipate. 
Connect to relay negative connection. Connect to the relay positive terminal. 

Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids. 

Ronald Olds 


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Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay 

I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next. Any suggestions? 



Keith Stewart 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 16 13:45:56 2022
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 15:45:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
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Thanks Ron. I assume this would be on the relay 30 and 85 contacts. Is that correct?

 

Keith

 

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Keith,

I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is energized.  When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and  dissipate.

                                                              <https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/d/6/b/f/a/5171b6bece395ff53c000000.PNG> 

                                                  Connect to relay negative connection.                            Connect to the relay positive terminal.

 

Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids.

 

Ronald Olds

 

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Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay

 

I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next. Any suggestions? 



Keith Stewart 

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From grandfatherjim at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 14:24:58 2022
From: grandfatherjim at gmail.com (Jim Wallace)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 16:24:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan relay
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 Ron,
I believe the diode should be installed the other way. The way you have
described it, it will conduct positive straight to ground.
Jim

>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> From: ronald.olds at mchsi.com
> To: keithstewart at bell.net
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
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> Keith,
>
> I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the
> ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to
> the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line
> om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is
> energized. When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn
> the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and
> dissipate.
> Connect to relay negative connection. Connect to the relay positive
> terminal.
>
> Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids.
>
> Ronald Olds
>
>
> From: keithstewart at bell.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:38:04 AM
> Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
>
> I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp
> fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely
> replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight
> forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Keith Stewart
>
> keithstewart at bell.net
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jun 16 14:37:29 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:37:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
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 One moment, please, it is the cathode end that has the stripe.? Connect that to the positive terminal.

Connecting a diode across the coil will do noting for the contacts burning up.? It will protect the temp switch, however.? Placing the diode across the contacts will quench the arc there.? 

Another possibility, one that I use regularly, a varistor designed for just such an application.? Something like this:
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/bourns-inc/MOV-10D220KTR/2407603
This part is not polarity sensitive and will limit the voltage across the contacts to a point where no spark will be generated.

 
Dave 


 
 
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Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2022 12:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Electric Fan Relay

Keith,

I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is energized.? When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and? dissipate.
 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ????????????????????????????????????????????????? Connect to relay negative connection.??????????????????????????? Connect to the relay positive terminal.

Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids.

Ronald Olds

From: keithstewart at bell.net
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:38:04 AM
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay

I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next. Any suggestions? 

 

Keith Stewart 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jun 16 14:51:01 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 20:51:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan relay
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 Yes.? He was correct on everything up until he called out the stripped end as the anode.
Many (but no all) DVM's have a diode check function.? You can verify the direction with that.? Your red lead will be positive.? 
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: Jim Wallace <grandfatherjim at gmail.com>
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Sent: Thu, Jun 16, 2022 3:24 pm
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan relay

?Ron,I believe the diode should be installed the other way. The way you have described it, it will conduct positive straight to ground.Jim

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Keith, 

I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is energized. When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and dissipate. 
Connect to relay negative connection. Connect to the relay positive terminal. 

Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids. 

Ronald Olds 


From: keithstewart at bell.net 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:38:04 AM 
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan Relay 

I have a 62 TR4 with Trim Line electric fan, Derale fan controller, 30 amp fuse, and 30 amp NAPA relay. In the past 5 or 6 years, I have likely replaced the relay six or seven times. The wiring seems pretty straight forward and all seems in order. I really have no idea where to look next. Any suggestions?

Keith Stewart 

keithstewart at bell.net

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From ron at trclassic.com  Thu Jun 16 18:48:59 2022
From: ron at trclassic.com (Ron Brainard)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 00:48:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR Electric Fan Relay
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Or you can just buy the Relay with a built-in diode.  Available at parts stores.  

Similar to the Granger  https://www.grainger.com/product/GRAINGER-APPROVED-Automotive-Relay-12V-DC-5ZMT9  for instance.

Ron

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Ronald,

The suggestion to place a diode across the relay solenoid is very useful. However, the actual contact of the relay are electrically separate from the solenoid.

The OP did not state in what manner The relays fell. Does the solenoid stop working? Do the contacts stop conducting or fuse together?

I have not had many relays fail. Usually it?s the contacts that fail. And that is usually due to high current demand across the contacts.

There are 40 amp rated relays that are physically identical or extremely similar to the standard 30 amp relays.  One of those might be worth a try.

You can get relay sockets that have the diode built in, by the way. With the diode, you need to be extremely mindful of polarity! By that I mean that the solenoid now has a positive and negative terminal.

It certainly would not be harmful to have a diode across the relay contacts as well. Switching and inductive load can cause arcing across the contacts similar to what is found in ignition points.

Electric fan motors can certainly be an inductive load!

-Tony 



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> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:02:30 -0400 (EDT)
> From: ronald.olds at mchsi.com
> To: keithstewart at bell.net
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Electric Fan Relay
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> 
> Keith, 
> 
> I would recommend connecting a 1N4004 diode across the positive an the ground terminals of the relay coil. Connect the cathode end of the diode to the positive terminal and the anode end (the end of the diode with the line om it) to the negative terminal. this will have no effect when the relay is energized. When a relay is denergized it generates a spark which can burn the points. The diode will allow this spark to travel through the diode and dissipate. 
> Connect to relay negative connection. Connect to the relay positive terminal. 
> 
> Diodes should be across the terminals of all relays and solenoids. 
> 
> Ronald Olds 
> 


From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Jun 26 17:35:58 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 19:35:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Implementation of a Toyota Tucson transmission breather on a
 Triumph
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There was a recent post related to installing a Toyota Tucson transmission breather on a Triumph transmission but I lost the link! Can someone please repost that part number?
Thanks in advance, 
Dave Connitt

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