From rrochlin at comcast.net  Thu Feb  3 17:56:07 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:56:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
Message-ID: <E060B35E-C182-4C82-A18A-5E8B488FBA8D@comcast.net>

Hi All,
	I?m now trying to adjust the camber on the rear wheels of my TR6.  After changing out he bushings I?m finding that the drivers side is within spec, but the passenger side is 3/1/2 degrees negative reinstalled the original trailing arm brackets in the original configuration. I had installed adjustable trailing arm brackets about 10 years ago, but when I inspected them this spring the bushings were really destroyed. I?m not sure that the damage was due to crappy bushings or that the adjustable brackets were causing a problem. Although the stock brackets are simple, figuring out how to configure the brackets to get the camber right is much more difficult than adjusting the adjustable brackets. Has anyone who has installed adjustable trailing arm brackets had a similar experience?
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Feb  3 18:31:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 01:31:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
In-Reply-To: <E060B35E-C182-4C82-A18A-5E8B488FBA8D@comcast.net>
References: <E060B35E-C182-4C82-A18A-5E8B488FBA8D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1377068108.6806.1643938304769@mail.yahoo.com>

 I've had no issues with my adjustable brackets but I have poly bushings.? I don't know what effect that has but I would think poly would be less tolerant of any misalignment.? The car tracks straight as an arrow.


 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 3, 2022 6:56 pm
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6

Hi All,
??? I?m now trying to adjust the camber on the rear wheels of my TR6.? After changing out he bushings I?m finding that the drivers side is within spec, but the passenger side is 3/1/2 degrees negative reinstalled the original trailing arm brackets in the original configuration. I had installed adjustable trailing arm brackets about 10 years ago, but when I inspected them this spring the bushings were really destroyed. I?m not sure that the damage was due to crappy bushings or that the adjustable brackets were causing a problem. Although the stock brackets are simple, figuring out how to configure the brackets to get the camber right is much more difficult than adjusting the adjustable brackets. Has anyone who has installed adjustable trailing arm brackets had a similar experience?
??? Best,
??? Bob
??? ?72 TR6
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 18:53:03 2022
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 19:53:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
In-Reply-To: <E060B35E-C182-4C82-A18A-5E8B488FBA8D@comcast.net>
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No problems with the adjustable brackets after 5-6 years.  I have poly
bushings for the trailing arms though.

VTR or Buckeye Triumphs (can't remember which) has a chart showing the
various configurations of the brackets and how they affect rear geometry.

However, the rubber bushings are cheap, $2-4 depending on the source, I
would swap out the bushings and put the adjustables back on rather than
messing with flipping and swapping out stock brackets.

Greg Lemon,
Triumph TR250

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 6:56 PM Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
>         I?m now trying to adjust the camber on the rear wheels of my TR6.
> After changing out he bushings I?m finding that the drivers side is within
> spec, but the passenger side is 3/1/2 degrees negative reinstalled the
> original trailing arm brackets in the original configuration. I had
> installed adjustable trailing arm brackets about 10 years ago, but when I
> inspected them this spring the bushings were really destroyed. I?m not sure
> that the damage was due to crappy bushings or that the adjustable brackets
> were causing a problem. Although the stock brackets are simple, figuring
> out how to configure the brackets to get the camber right is much more
> difficult than adjusting the adjustable brackets. Has anyone who has
> installed adjustable trailing arm brackets had a similar experience?
>         Best,
>         Bob
>         ?72 TR6
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb  4 04:57:35 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 11:57:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aaJeBKSwT_kQkEYQh-Zcmxbj3g2s5pd85VdJN=MSfWvsg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1804707643.104028.1643975855113@mail.yahoo.com>

 

VTR or Buckeye Triumphs (can't remember which) has a chart showing the various configurations of the brackets and how they affect rear geometry.

 I forget where I got it but I archived it:
TR6 rear camber:outer bracket - inner bracket - relative camber angle(degrees)?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 0.00?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 0.98 (waspreviously published in error as 3D 2U)?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1.50?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2.11?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2.42?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2.49?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3.40?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3.49?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ????- 3.61?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U?? ??? ??? ??? ? - 3.80?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 4.40?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 4.53?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 4.78?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 4.93?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 4.99?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 5.91?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 6.83?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 6.89?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 7.04?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 7.29?2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 7.42?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 8.02?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 8.21?1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 8.33?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 8.42?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 9.33?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 1D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 9.40?1U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 9.71?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 2U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 10.32?2D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 10.84?3U ??? ??? ??? ??? - 3D ??? ??? ??? ??? - 11.82
So, as you can see you can get quite a range of adjustment by swapping and flipping the brackets.
But, I'm with you, the adjustable brackets are the way to go.? The only reason not to use them is the cost, and they aren't that expensive.
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 3, 2022 7:53 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6

No problems with the adjustable brackets after 5-6 years.? I have poly bushings for the trailing arms though.
VTR or Buckeye Triumphs (can't remember which) has a chart showing the various configurations of the brackets and how they affect rear geometry.
However, the rubber bushings are cheap, $2-4 depending on the source, I would swap out the bushings and put the adjustables back on rather than messing with flipping and swapping out stock brackets.
Greg Lemon,Triumph TR250?

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022, 6:56 PM Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:

Hi All,
? ? ? ? I?m now trying to adjust the camber on the rear wheels of my TR6.? After changing out he bushings I?m finding that the drivers side is within spec, but the passenger side is 3/1/2 degrees negative reinstalled the original trailing arm brackets in the original configuration. I had installed adjustable trailing arm brackets about 10 years ago, but when I inspected them this spring the bushings were really destroyed. I?m not sure that the damage was due to crappy bushings or that the adjustable brackets were causing a problem. Although the stock brackets are simple, figuring out how to configure the brackets to get the camber right is much more difficult than adjusting the adjustable brackets. Has anyone who has installed adjustable trailing arm brackets had a similar experience?
? ? ? ? Best,
? ? ? ? Bob
? ? ? ? ?72 TR6
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Feb  4 06:50:16 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 08:50:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
In-Reply-To: <000901d819c3$9f56c290$de0447b0$@roadrunner.com>
References: <E060B35E-C182-4C82-A18A-5E8B488FBA8D@comcast.net>
 <000901d819c3$9f56c290$de0447b0$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <C35FE80C-491F-4481-90BB-3872AB85026D@comcast.net>

	Thanks for the timely advice from everyone, it is appreciated.  I?m going to reinstall the adjustable brackets. Being able to adjust the rear camber without disassembling the whole rear suspension is a great advantage.  The bushings I used were from a UK outfit who claimed that their poly bushings were of the same ride quality of the original Triumph rubber bushings.  I got them because I wanted to keep the ride quality as original.  Given the low yearly milage I now drive my triumph, a maximum of 25,000 miles since I installed the bushings, they pretty much self destructed. My new bushings are Superthane.  
	It?s rainy and icy here in Boston today so perfect day to get this suspension done.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Feb 4, 2022, at 7:34 AM, Tim Hutchisen <hakhutch at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Moss catalog also has the chart for trailing arm bracket configurations.
> Tim Hutchisen
> Norway, ME
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2022 7:56 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Rear End Camber on TR6
> 
> Hi All,
> 	I?m now trying to adjust the camber on the rear wheels of my TR6.  After changing out he bushings I?m finding that the drivers side is within spec, but the passenger side is 3/1/2 degrees negative reinstalled the original trailing arm brackets in the original configuration. I had installed adjustable trailing arm brackets about 10 years ago, but when I inspected them this spring the bushings were really destroyed. I?m not sure that the damage was due to crappy bushings or that the adjustable brackets were causing a problem. Although the stock brackets are simple, figuring out how to configure the brackets to get the camber right is much more difficult than adjusting the adjustable brackets. Has anyone who has installed adjustable trailing arm brackets had a similar experience?
> 	Best,
> 	Bob
> 	?72 TR6
> 
> 


From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Feb  4 14:12:57 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:12:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss
Message-ID: <197DBB65-B6ED-4BD6-9D16-2A415BF74C3D@gmx.com>

I?m guessing that few, if any, on this list will recognise the name of David Gleed. Until he retired DAVE worked for Standard-Triumph and BL/MG Rover. He came to prominence when he worked in the Competitions Dept in Coventry and along with the late Ray Henderson and a few other unsung stalwarts, got to work on the rally cars under Ken Richardson and travelled several times as part of the Works Team at Le Mans and many of the European rallies. DAVE?s stories of starting and working on the Sabrina engined cars were legendary - and he had many. DAVE?s automotive love was his long door TR2 that got taken out and blasted around Coventry and district whenever the mood took him - which was often. His thoughts on MVC 575 being cosseted like a piece of Meissen porcelain were mostly very apt and hit the mark, though perhaps not printable.
I got to renew my friendship with Dave when I was organising event days for ST at BMIHT and I always knew he?d be the first to book space for his stand where he sold unobtanium. No one knew his sources and he?d never divulge them but if you found yourself really stuck for a vital NLS component, Dave was the man to ask. He?d find it, though there was always the chance he?d already got it stashed away in his storeroom and usually several more than just one. 
He died rather suddenly earlier this month at age 86 with his devoted wife and fellow stall worker Margaret at his side. The Triumph fraternity has lost a truly remarkable, kind, generous, caring, knowledgeable and incredibly funny man who was imho one of the true ?Motor industry? greats of the post war years. An unsung hero if ever there was one and although I?m eight years his junior, there?s no doubt in my mind that Triumph enthusiasts the world over have lost someone who was really special and truly one of a kind. Bless you my lovely funny friend. You won?t set your overalls sleeves on fire doing a cold start on a Sabrina engine now. God just won?t allow that to happen in that Competitions Dept on the other side.

Jonmac

From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Feb  4 14:34:37 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2022 21:34:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss
In-Reply-To: <197DBB65-B6ED-4BD6-9D16-2A415BF74C3D@gmx.com>
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Any chance we could get you to share some of those stories?


-------- Original message --------
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Date: 2/4/22 3:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss

I?m guessing that few, if any, on this list will recognise the name of David Gleed. Until he retired DAVE worked for Standard-Triumph and BL/MG Rover. He came to prominence when he worked in the Competitions Dept in Coventry and along with the late Ray Henderson and a few other unsung stalwarts, got to work on the rally cars under Ken Richardson and travelled several times as part of the Works Team at Le Mans and many of the European rallies. DAVE?s stories of starting and working on the Sabrina engined cars were legendary - and he had many. DAVE?s automotive love was his long door TR2 that got taken out and blasted around Coventry and district whenever the mood took him - which was often. His thoughts on MVC 575 being cosseted like a piece of Meissen porcelain were mostly very apt and hit the mark, though perhaps not printable.
I got to renew my friendship with Dave when I was organising event days for ST at BMIHT and I always knew he?d be the first to book space for his stand where he sold unobtanium. No one knew his sources and he?d never divulge them but if you found yourself really stuck for a vital NLS component, Dave was the man to ask. He?d find it, though there was always the chance he?d already got it stashed away in his storeroom and usually several more than just one.
He died rather suddenly earlier this month at age 86 with his devoted wife and fellow stall worker Margaret at his side. The Triumph fraternity has lost a truly remarkable, kind, generous, caring, knowledgeable and incredibly funny man who was imho one of the true ?Motor industry? greats of the post war years. An unsung hero if ever there was one and although I?m eight years his junior, there?s no doubt in my mind that Triumph enthusiasts the world over have lost someone who was really special and truly one of a kind. Bless you my lovely funny friend. You won?t set your overalls sleeves on fire doing a cold start on a Sabrina engine now. God just won?t allow that to happen in that Competitions Dept on the other side.

Jonmac
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Feb  5 17:00:51 2022
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 19:00:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss
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Thanks for sharing Jon. Sorry to hear of another Triumph loss. It seems like it is the "season". It brings to mind the many great Triumph connections I, and others, have lost. It also serves to remind us to take the time to let them know how much they are appreciated while they are still among us.

Cheers
Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Sent: February 4, 2022 4:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss

I?m guessing that few, if any, on this list will recognise the name of David Gleed. Until he retired DAVE worked for Standard-Triumph and BL/MG Rover. He came to prominence when he worked in the Competitions Dept in Coventry and along with the late Ray Henderson and a few other unsung stalwarts, got to work on the rally cars under Ken Richardson and travelled several times as part of the Works Team at Le Mans and many of the European rallies. DAVE?s stories of starting and working on the Sabrina engined cars were legendary - and he had many. DAVE?s automotive love was his long door TR2 that got taken out and blasted around Coventry and district whenever the mood took him - which was often. His thoughts on MVC 575 being cosseted like a piece of Meissen porcelain were mostly very apt and hit the mark, though perhaps not printable.
I got to renew my friendship with Dave when I was organising event days for ST at BMIHT and I always knew he?d be the first to book space for his stand where he sold unobtanium. No one knew his sources and he?d never divulge them but if you found yourself really stuck for a vital NLS component, Dave was the man to ask. He?d find it, though there was always the chance he?d already got it stashed away in his storeroom and usually several more than just one. 
He died rather suddenly earlier this month at age 86 with his devoted wife and fellow stall worker Margaret at his side. The Triumph fraternity has lost a truly remarkable, kind, generous, caring, knowledgeable and incredibly funny man who was imho one of the true ?Motor industry? greats of the post war years. An unsung hero if ever there was one and although I?m eight years his junior, there?s no doubt in my mind that Triumph enthusiasts the world over have lost someone who was really special and truly one of a kind. Bless you my lovely funny friend. You won?t set your overalls sleeves on fire doing a cold start on a Sabrina engine now. God just won?t allow that to happen in that Competitions Dept on the other side.

Jonmac



From coefront at shaw.ca  Sun Feb  6 16:57:48 2022
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Mike Coe)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 16:57:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 21
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Oh, sad loss indeed.As an immigrant from England many, many years ago to Canada {currently Calgary}, Triumph came into my life via TR2 to my current TR8, So names were well known, so Davids name {and others Triumph chaps} was well known. His final Triumph heaven I'm sure. Cheers...Mike Coe.
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Thanks for sharing Jon. Sorry to hear of another Triumph loss. It seems like it is the "season". It brings to mind the many great Triumph connections I, and others, have lost. It also serves to remind us to take the time to let them know how much they are appreciated while they are still among us.

Cheers
Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Sent: February 4, 2022 4:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Another Triumph loss

I?m guessing that few, if any, on this list will recognise the name of David Gleed. Until he retired DAVE worked for Standard-Triumph and BL/MG Rover. He came to prominence when he worked in the Competitions Dept in Coventry and along with the late Ray Henderson and a few other unsung stalwarts, got to work on the rally cars under Ken Richardson and travelled several times as part of the Works Team at Le Mans and many of the European rallies. DAVE?s stories of starting and working on the Sabrina engined cars were legendary - and he had many. DAVE?s automotive love was his long door TR2 that got taken out and blasted around Coventry and district whenever the mood took him - which was often. His thoughts on MVC 575 being cosseted like a piece of Meissen porcelain were mostly very apt and hit the mark, though perhaps not printable.
I got to renew my friendship with Dave when I was organising event days for ST at BMIHT and I always knew he?d be the first to book space for his stand where he sold unobtanium. No one knew his sources and he?d never divulge them but if you found yourself really stuck for a vital NLS component, Dave was the man to ask. He?d find it, though there was always the chance he?d already got it stashed away in his storeroom and usually several more than just one. 
He died rather suddenly earlier this month at age 86 with his devoted wife and fellow stall worker Margaret at his side. The Triumph fraternity has lost a truly remarkable, kind, generous, caring, knowledgeable and incredibly funny man who was imho one of the true ?Motor industry? greats of the post war years. An unsung hero if ever there was one and although I?m eight years his junior, there?s no doubt in my mind that Triumph enthusiasts the world over have lost someone who was really special and truly one of a kind. Bless you my lovely funny friend. You won?t set your overalls sleeves on fire doing a cold start on a Sabrina engine now. God just won?t allow that to happen in that Competitions Dept on the other side.

Jonmac




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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  9 15:22:53 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 16:22:53 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 Door Blocks
References: <691F484E-C052-48BD-8A90-5B3D74208944.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <691F484E-C052-48BD-8A90-5B3D74208944@yahoo.com>

Hello, as some of you may know I make, on occasion, the wood blocks and rails that go along the top of the TR2-3A doors.  Trying to make a set now and find I have lost the pattern for the forward block.  If anyone has any of these parts out of their car, in ANY condition I will be pleased to buy them. 

Many thanks,
Bill Beecher
TS30800L


?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

From staffel at comcast.net  Wed Feb  9 20:00:38 2022
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 22:00:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 in Perry Mason episode
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1644462074.2808.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Season 8 Episide 2"Xase if the Paper Bullers"5:44 into episide: White TR4 comes out of Mansion Gate hits old cargo Truck.?Called 'little foreign job' in later testimony.Sherman D Taffel?TR4 CT50054Lin Fuel system surgery *Columbia MD & Goldvein VA?* after rebuilding carbs and installing new elec fuel pump, engine stalls, backfires upon acceleration of throttle plates.?Nothing wrong with carbs ( Original CD 175's. Fresh rebuild with all new Joe Curto parts. 6th rebuild since 1969.? Convinced its NOT the Carb operations. No throttle shaft air leaks nor intake manifold air leaks. Pistons lift normally.ANALYSIS points to low fuel delivery- yet fuel gauge measures 2.5# at input to front & rear carbs.Never ran into this in 53 yrs.?But putting thus out there fir comments/ thoughts!Should I try reinstall of a new Manual pump. Went to electric when bought defective leaking TRF pump several years ago. Know TRF has new supplier.Just want engine to respond properly & have TR ready for late Spring!ShermanSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Feb 10 06:11:24 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:11:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 in Perry Mason episode
In-Reply-To: <20220210030128.5AF1BA06E0@autox.team.net>
References: <20220210030128.5AF1BA06E0@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <2053121516.755604.1644498684719@mail.yahoo.com>

 If the stumble happens immediately upon throttle opening it is not fuel delivery.? The float bowls hold enough fuel to run the engine for a few seconds even at full throttle with no fuel delivery at all.
Here is an easy thing to try even if it is off the wall:? Swap out the distributor rotor.?? I've heard said that the rotor can fail in a manner where it will withstand the voltage required to generate a spark at the lower pressures at idle but will break down under the voltage necessary for heavier throttle positions.
Happy Drive Your Triumph Day.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Feb 9, 2022 9:00 pm
Subject: [TR] TR4 in Perry Mason episode

Season 8 Episide 2"Xase if the Paper Bullers"5:44 into episide: White TR4 comes out of Mansion Gate hits old cargo Truck.?Called 'little foreign job' in later testimony.
Sherman D Taffel?TR4 CT50054Lin Fuel system surgery *Columbia MD & Goldvein VA?
* after rebuilding carbs and installing new elec fuel pump, engine stalls, backfires upon acceleration of throttle plates.?Nothing wrong with carbs ( Original CD 175's. Fresh rebuild with all new Joe Curto parts. 6th rebuild since 1969.? Convinced its NOT the Carb operations. No throttle shaft air leaks nor intake manifold air leaks. Pistons lift normally.
ANALYSIS points to low fuel delivery- yet fuel gauge measures 2.5# at input to front & rear carbs.
Never ran into this in 53 yrs.?But putting thus out there fir comments/ thoughts!
Should I try reinstall of a new Manual pump. Went to electric when bought defective leaking TRF pump several years ago. Know TRF has new supplier.
Just want engine to respond properly & have TR ready for late Spring!
Sherman
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Feb 10 06:15:52 2022
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:15:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 in Perry Mason episode
In-Reply-To: <20220210030132.E2D1FA0B12@autox.team.net>
References: <20220210030132.E2D1FA0B12@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <7e68b14e-221b-96b0-6347-b81dd71186d9@adelphia.net>

Sherman,

We watch a lot of British tv. I have seen many Triumphs, MGs, old 
Rovers, Jaguars, Morgans, and many other marks. Last night on "Murphy's 
Law" Murphy was driving a green Stag.

I have seen the Perry Mason episode you referenced and there was a TR3 
in another episode.

Bob

On 2/9/22 10:00 PM, staffel wrote:
> Season 8 Episide 2
> "Xase if the Paper Bullers"
> 5:44 into episide: White TR4 comes out of Mansion Gate hits old cargo 
> Truck.
> Called 'little foreign job' in later testimony.
>
> Sherman D Taffel
> TR4 CT50054L
> in Fuel system surgery *
> Columbia MD & Goldvein VA
>
> * after rebuilding carbs and installing new elec fuel pump, engine 
> stalls, backfires upon acceleration of throttle plates.
> Nothing wrong with carbs ( Original CD 175's. Fresh rebuild with all 
> new Joe Curto parts. 6th rebuild since 1969.? Convinced its NOT the 
> Carb operations. No throttle shaft air leaks nor intake manifold air 
> leaks. Pistons lift normally.
>
> ANALYSIS points to low fuel delivery- yet fuel gauge measures 2.5# at 
> input to front & rear carbs.
>
> Never ran into this in 53 yrs.
> But putting thus out there fir comments/ thoughts!
>
> Should I try reinstall of a new Manual pump. Went to electric when 
> bought defective leaking TRF pump several years ago. Know TRF has new 
> supplier.
>
> Just want engine to respond properly & have TR ready for late Spring!
>
> Sherman
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
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>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 10 07:14:31 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:14:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 in Perry Mason episode
In-Reply-To: <7e68b14e-221b-96b0-6347-b81dd71186d9@adelphia.net>
References: <7e68b14e-221b-96b0-6347-b81dd71186d9@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <207C842B-105C-4BC9-83C6-AF175F2B37F7@yahoo.com>

Been a couple episodes with a white(?) TR3, one driven by Werner Klemperer (Komandant Klink). 
Bill B

?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

On Feb 10, 2022, at 7:16 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

?
Sherman,

We watch a lot of British tv. I have seen many Triumphs, MGs, old Rovers, Jaguars, Morgans, and many other marks. Last night on "Murphy's Law" Murphy was driving a green Stag. 

I have seen the Perry Mason episode you referenced and there was a TR3 in another episode. 

Bob

On 2/9/22 10:00 PM, staffel wrote:
> Season 8 Episide 2
> "Xase if the Paper Bullers"
> 5:44 into episide: White TR4 comes out of Mansion Gate hits old cargo Truck. 
> Called 'little foreign job' in later testimony.
> 
> Sherman D Taffel 
> TR4 CT50054L
> in Fuel system surgery *
> Columbia MD & Goldvein VA 
> 
> * after rebuilding carbs and installing new elec fuel pump, engine stalls, backfires upon acceleration of throttle plates. 
> Nothing wrong with carbs ( Original CD 175's. Fresh rebuild with all new Joe Curto parts. 6th rebuild since 1969.  Convinced its NOT the Carb operations. No throttle shaft air leaks nor intake manifold air leaks. Pistons lift normally.
> 
> ANALYSIS points to low fuel delivery- yet fuel gauge measures 2.5# at input to front & rear carbs.
> 
> Never ran into this in 53 yrs. 
> But putting thus out there fir comments/ thoughts!
> 
> Should I try reinstall of a new Manual pump. Went to electric when bought defective leaking TRF pump several years ago. Know TRF has new supplier.
> 
> Just want engine to respond properly & have TR ready for late Spring!
> 
> Sherman
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
> 
> 
> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 16:00:10 2022
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:00:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
Message-ID: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph
Day.  For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out
last night.  Is the guy who organized it still active?

Greg Lemon
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Fri Feb 11 16:11:08 2022
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:11:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fa9d4775-2da9-e925-82f6-5ef18acbe822@porterscustom.com>

..I didn't drive mine, but I did work on it most of the day.. The "no 
longer available" Sun gear is toast... sigh.? DPorter 71 TR6

On 2/11/2022 4:00 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your 
> Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get 
> my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Feb 11 16:19:59 2022
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 17:19:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b0bb22c4-21d8-2dca-906f-b16344c2a489@tonydrews.com>

Here's kind of the state of mine - no driving until engine is rebuilt / 
reinstalled...

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 2/11/2022 5:11 PM, David P wrote:
> ..I didn't drive mine, but I did work on it most of the day.. The "no 
> longer available" Sun gear is toast... sigh.? DPorter 71 TR6
>
> On 2/11/2022 4:00 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>> Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your 
>> Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did 
>> get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
>>
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From ryel at mac.com  Fri Feb 11 16:27:14 2022
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 15:27:14 -0800
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <b0bb22c4-21d8-2dca-906f-b16344c2a489@tonydrews.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Tony,

Where was the photo taken?  City, state, country.

Thanks,

Rye

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:19 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's kind of the state of mine - no driving until engine is rebuilt / reinstalled...
> 
> Cheers, Tony Drews
> 
> On 2/11/2022 5:11 PM, David P wrote:
>> ..I didn't drive mine, but I did work on it most of the day.. The "no longer available" Sun gear is toast... sigh.  DPorter 71 TR6
>> 
>> On 2/11/2022 4:00 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>>> Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.  For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.  Is the guy who organized it still active?
>>> 
>>> Greg Lemon
>>> TR250
>>> 
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>>> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 16:26:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:26:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494641962.1376991.1644622004436@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes.? Send it to 
driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com
Four of us from the local club hit a few iconic settings for group and individual shots.? Great day for it.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 5:00 pm
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
Greg LemonTR250** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 16:26:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:26:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494641962.1376991.1644622004436@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes.? Send it to 
driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com
Four of us from the local club hit a few iconic settings for group and individual shots.? Great day for it.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 5:00 pm
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
Greg LemonTR250** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 16:26:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:26:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
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 Yes.? Send it to 
driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com
Four of us from the local club hit a few iconic settings for group and individual shots.? Great day for it.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 5:00 pm
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
Greg LemonTR250** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 16:26:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:26:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1494641962.1376991.1644622004436@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes.? Send it to 
driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com
Four of us from the local club hit a few iconic settings for group and individual shots.? Great day for it.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 5:00 pm
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
Greg LemonTR250** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 11 16:26:44 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:26:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494641962.1376991.1644622004436@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes.? Send it to 
driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com
Four of us from the local club hit a few iconic settings for group and individual shots.? Great day for it.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 5:00 pm
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day

Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
Greg LemonTR250** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From davgil at aol.com  Fri Feb 11 16:44:30 2022
From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 23:44:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 24
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Greg,Thanks for the reminder.? I did get my Triumph TR6 back on the road yesterday.? Last chore to get it going again was a new brake master cylinder.? Runs great and it was just about perfect weather in North Georgia.David Gill


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Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your Triumph
Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get my car out
last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?

Greg Lemon
TR250
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:05:52 2022
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:05:52 -0800
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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Drive your Triumph day:

TeriAnn Wakeman, 1960 Triumph TR3A
Taken 10 Feb. Crescent City, California.

The Crescent city light house is in the background.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:17:13 2022
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:17:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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Andrew Uprichard and me at the College of Central Florida Vintage Farm campus checking out all the new baby calves.  Sunny Ocala, Florida. Jim Henningsen



> On Feb 11, 2022, at 7:13 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Drive your Triumph day:
> 
> TeriAnn Wakeman, 1960 Triumph TR3A
> Taken 10 Feb. Crescent City, California.
> 
> The Crescent city light house is in the background.
> 
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From actionsl at att.net  Fri Feb 11 19:08:07 2022
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 18:08:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
References: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE@att.net>

Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed

Carl

From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Feb 11 19:35:38 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:35:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
In-Reply-To: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE@att.net>
References: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <D75032E3-E0F3-496E-9195-24CCAA348F5D@comcast.net>

Some folks like to have their 50 year old cars drive like modern cars, and some folks want a car that drives and feels like the car was when original. 
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6 

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed
> 
> Carl
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Feb 11 19:45:37 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 02:45:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
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References: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE.ref@att.net>
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+1 for overdrive

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Robert Rochlin
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 8:36 PM
To: Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Sun gear

Some folks like to have their 50 year old cars drive like modern cars, and some folks want a car that drives and feels like the car was when original. 
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6 

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed
> 
> Carl
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 11 20:01:15 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:01:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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Not driving but showing the colors, on display at the Four States Auto Museum in Texarkana, Arkansas.   Sir John?s picture courtesy of Jonmac. 

Bill B
TS30800L




?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

On Feb 11, 2022, at 6:47 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Drive your Triumph day:

TeriAnn Wakeman, 1960 Triumph TR3A
Taken 10 Feb. Crescent City, California.

The Crescent city light house is in the background.

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 20:11:43 2022
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:11:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
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On 2/11/22 6:45 PM, dave northrup wrote:
> +1 for overdrive

+2 for an overdrive. Second and third over come in handy. Nothing like 
having 7 forward gears to choose from, especially in the mountains.

TeriAnn

>> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed
>>
>> Carl


From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 20:11:42 2022
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:11:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] Drive your Triumph
Message-ID: <6A9B7676-4E97-44CF-933E-0685A2EB232A@gmail.com>

Well, I cheated.  I didn?t get a picture on DYTD - with my son driving out to the Northern California coast for some fish and chips and fish tacos.  But a couple of recent pictures. 

Frank Burkhart
Marin, California

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From actionsl at att.net  Fri Feb 11 20:22:52 2022
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:22:52 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
References: <EFAF20BB-C83E-48A2-B678-F79E4ACF6687.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <EFAF20BB-C83E-48A2-B678-F79E4ACF6687@att.net>

What do you do for discontinue parts?
The junk parts are running low.

Carl

From HDRider570 at att.net  Fri Feb 11 21:02:03 2022
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:02:03 -0800
Subject: [TR] re; Drive your Triumph Day
References: <cb916c3c-845f-ffa5-1919-27b30b3b2711.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <cb916c3c-845f-ffa5-1919-27b30b3b2711@att.net>

I posted a video of the North Bay Triumph Groups Drive your Triumph Day 
on YouTube if anyone is interested.


https://youtu.be/g0GdmxSiNZI


John Hamer


From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Feb 12 06:03:08 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:03:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
In-Reply-To: <D75032E3-E0F3-496E-9195-24CCAA348F5D@comcast.net>
References: <3013E698-B88B-4C43-A5F1-DFB0F49FFCAE.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <291620435.1469040.1644670988689@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yeah, and some people have 5 grand to splurge on their cars.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
To: Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Sun gear

Some folks like to have their 50 year old cars drive like modern cars, and some folks want a car that drives and feels like the car was when original. 
??? Best,
??? Bob
??? ?72 TR6 

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed
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> Carl

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb 12 06:28:44 2022
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:28:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] re; Drive your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <cb916c3c-845f-ffa5-1919-27b30b3b2711@att.net>
References: <cb916c3c-845f-ffa5-1919-27b30b3b2711.ref@att.net>
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This is not from North Bay Ontario!

I did not drive any of my Triumphs on Triumph Day. Way too much 
sand/salt on the roads. + batteries are in the cellar on the tender. 
Maybe early April? We did see some robins in the back yard this morning.

Going below zero F tonight!

Bob

On 2/11/22 11:02 PM, Q wrote:
> I posted a video of the North Bay Triumph Groups Drive your Triumph 
> Day on YouTube if anyone is interested.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/g0GdmxSiNZI
>
>
> John Hamer
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Feb 12 07:48:16 2022
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:48:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
In-Reply-To: <fa9d4775-2da9-e925-82f6-5ef18acbe822@porterscustom.com>
References: <CAFtw3abjcH2mD8WabDmTnduFE1Xas4kvtsAAwEerggRFmy_FHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Have you tried   odspares.com in he UK?  May be able to help
Tom
61 TR3A
62 TR4


> On 02/11/2022 6:11 PM David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> ..I didn't drive mine, but I did work on it most of the day.. The "no 
> longer available" Sun gear is toast... sigh.? DPorter 71 TR6
> 
> On 2/11/2022 4:00 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> > Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your 
> > Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get 
> > my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
> >
> > Greg Lemon
> > TR250
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb 12 11:39:22 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 18:39:22 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block
Message-ID: <0566e8de83c445ff998bce79c3100e99@ranteer.com>

When I bought the car (1972 TR6) in 2001, a friend suggested that I replace the oil pressure warning sensor in the block.  It just failed at the joint between the metal and the plastic.  Fortunately, being a pack rat, I still have the original sensor which I put back in.  it looks to be of much higher quality, although I guess I shouldn't complain about 20 years of service.

I suspect the one I just put back in is the original sensor and survived the first 30 years without trouble.  I thought about carrying a spare - this failure would have been catastrophic as quite a bit of oil was leaking out, not to mention the mess it made of the exhaust and the undercarriage.  Then I figured I could just carry a small bolt with a copper washer.  Given the car has an oil pressure gage which I think would flag this disaster much sooner, plus the copious amount of oil underneath would have alerted me, as it did this time.

Does anyone know how far into the block this hole goes?  What is down there and how short a bolt do I have to use?
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Sat Feb 12 13:01:34 2022
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 20:01:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 27
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1644692402.11349.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Thanks for the scenic ride John (and significant others).
Carl'63 TR4 since '74
 

I posted a video of the North Bay Triumph Groups Drive your Triumph Day 
on YouTube if anyone is interested.


https://youtu.be/g0GdmxSiNZI


John Hamer
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Feb 12 13:25:08 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 20:25:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block
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 That's 1/8 inch NPT (National Pipe Thread).? Get a 1/8 inch NPT plug and some Teflon(R) pipe dope as a contingency.? Or wait until the worst happens and hike to the nearest hardware store.? Those are available everywhere. 
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 12, 2022 12:39 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block

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From coefront at shaw.ca  Sat Feb 12 14:55:53 2022
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Mike Coe)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:55:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 27
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Well, excellent to see/read information/comments from other Provinces. Pressing me {now retired} to a position I've been avoiding for a very long time- as a true Triumph guy since age 21 then living in Vancouver. B.C. Beginning with a TR3, to a TR3A, another TR3, a TR4, three TR6's to now a super TR8 I've owned since 2006 I regretfully have to put up for sale. Any interest out there?1982 TR8 Triumph.Well maintained by a local sports car garage.
Mileage?96161 Km (approximately 71,000 miles}.Owned since June 22nd, 2006. Sparcely driven these past five years. Always garaged in my three car garage.5 speed transmission. 220 Km speedometer. Trickle charged battery. EFI. 15 inch alloy Mag wheels. 6 CD player. AM/FM radio/one CD. Alternator. Up graded speakers. Electric radio antenna. Wind deflector on roll bar.  Half tonneau cover. Quaife limited slip differential. Dash cover {when car parked}. Weather cockpit cover. Trunk rack with third brake light. Stainless steel dual exhaust. Interior trunk light. 185/55/R15 tires. K&N filter. Upgraded larger front disc brakes. Carpet mats. Electric radiator fan. Aluminum radiator. Oil cooler. K & N filter. Triple air horns with dash control for full blast or a tune. Updated driving lights. Headers. Cross engine brace. Hidden battery disconnect switch. Some LED bulbs. Two sets of keys. TR8 key fob. Original 13" wheels on hand.Reasonable offer considered.Cheers....Mike Coe.....Calgary. Alberta
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Today's Topics:

1. Sun gear (Carl Carlson)
2. re; Drive your Triumph Day (Q)
3. Re: Sun gear (DAVID MASSEY)
4. Re: re; Drive your Triumph Day (Bob)
5. Re: Drive Your Triumph Day (tfansher at comcast.net)
6. TR6 engine block (dave northrup)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 19:22:52 -0800
From: Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Sun gear
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What do you do for discontinue parts?
The junk parts are running low.

Carl


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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:02:03 -0800
From: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] re; Drive your Triumph Day
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I posted a video of the North Bay Triumph Groups Drive your Triumph Day 
on YouTube if anyone is interested.


https://youtu.be/g0GdmxSiNZI


John Hamer



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 13:03:08 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "rrochlin at comcast.net" <rrochlin at comcast.net>, "actionsl at att.net"
<actionsl at att.net>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Sun gear
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Yeah, and some people have 5 grand to splurge on their cars.

Dave 



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From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
To: Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Feb 11, 2022 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Sun gear

Some folks like to have their 50 year old cars drive like modern cars, and some folks want a car that drives and feels like the car was when original. 
??? Best,
??? Bob
??? ?72 TR6 

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Carl Carlson <actionsl at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Dump the overdrive and go with a Toyota 5 speed
> 
> Carl

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:28:44 -0500
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] re; Drive your Triumph Day
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This is not from North Bay Ontario!

I did not drive any of my Triumphs on Triumph Day. Way too much 
sand/salt on the roads. + batteries are in the cellar on the tender. 
Maybe early April? We did see some robins in the back yard this morning.

Going below zero F tonight!

Bob

On 2/11/22 11:02 PM, Q wrote:
> I posted a video of the North Bay Triumph Groups Drive your Triumph 
> Day on YouTube if anyone is interested.
>
>
> https://youtu.be/g0GdmxSiNZI
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>
> John Hamer
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:48:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "tfansher at comcast.net" <tfansher at comcast.net>
To: David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day
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Have you tried odspares.com in he UK? May be able to help
Tom
61 TR3A
62 TR4


> On 02/11/2022 6:11 PM David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ..I didn't drive mine, but I did work on it most of the day.. The "no 
> longer available" Sun gear is toast... sigh.? DPorter 71 TR6
> 
> On 2/11/2022 4:00 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> > Got a note from a friend and confirmed yesterday was drive your 
> > Triumph Day.? For once there was not snow on the ground, and I did get 
> > my car out last night.? Is the guy who organized it still active?
> >
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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 18:39:22 +0000
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block
Message-ID: <0566e8de83c445ff998bce79c3100e99 at ranteer.com>
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When I bought the car (1972 TR6) in 2001, a friend suggested that I replace the oil pressure warning sensor in the block. It just failed at the joint between the metal and the plastic. Fortunately, being a pack rat, I still have the original sensor which I put back in. it looks to be of much higher quality, although I guess I shouldn't complain about 20 years of service.

I suspect the one I just put back in is the original sensor and survived the first 30 years without trouble. I thought about carrying a spare - this failure would have been catastrophic as quite a bit of oil was leaking out, not to mention the mess it made of the exhaust and the undercarriage. Then I figured I could just carry a small bolt with a copper washer. Given the car has an oil pressure gage which I think would flag this disaster much sooner, plus the copious amount of oil underneath would have alerted me, as it did this time.

Does anyone know how far into the block this hole goes? What is down there and how short a bolt do I have to use?
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Feb 12 17:55:40 2022
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:55:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block
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Isn't that going to be a pipe thread? I would guess it to be 1/8" NPT
(tapered) or 1/8" BSPT (straight). Just get a pipe plug of the correct
thread size. There is no bolt thread that will match up as far as I know.
Since the threads are making the seal, use some Teflon tape and/or thread
sealant like RectorSeal or Permatex.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
northrup
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2022 1:39 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 engine block

 

When I bought the car (1972 TR6) in 2001, a friend suggested that I replace
the oil pressure warning sensor in the block.  It just failed at the joint
between the metal and the plastic.  Fortunately, being a pack rat, I still
have the original sensor which I put back in.  it looks to be of much higher
quality, although I guess I shouldn't complain about 20 years of service.

 

I suspect the one I just put back in is the original sensor and survived the
first 30 years without trouble.  I thought about carrying a spare - this
failure would have been catastrophic as quite a bit of oil was leaking out,
not to mention the mess it made of the exhaust and the undercarriage.  Then
I figured I could just carry a small bolt with a copper washer.  Given the
car has an oil pressure gage which I think would flag this disaster much
sooner, plus the copious amount of oil underneath would have alerted me, as
it did this time.  

 

Does anyone know how far into the block this hole goes?  What is down there
and how short a bolt do I have to use?

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sun Feb 13 14:33:48 2022
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:33:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
Message-ID: <2f59580db591afbaa1901db9bbd59150@mail.gmail.com>

I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
like best is already taken up by the horns.



What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.



Thanks in advance,



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Mon Feb 14 08:56:36 2022
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:56:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the
filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always
had coolant spilling out from the car.



If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the
radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator.
Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If
so, how high should I fill the rad?



Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would
be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of:
https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow



Thanks,



Dave MacKay



*>From:* Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
*>Subject:* Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A

>

>I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant
bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the
horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture
attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That
tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.

>

>That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck
has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all
the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When
cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.

>

>Randy

>

>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
like best is already taken up by the horns.

>>

>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.

>>

>> Thanks in advance,
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb 14 09:20:31 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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 <eadd423647d826d6bb290c59e415a61f@mail.gmail.com>
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 Back in the day the advice was (probably) "Fill until neck is half full."? Any excess will get dumped on the ground and the system will find it's own "Full."? Back in the day that was acceptable.? (probably)
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 14, 2022 9:56 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A

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>Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A>?>I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.? On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.? That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.>?>That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?? The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?? When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.??>?>Randy>?>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.>>?>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.>>?>> Thanks in advance,??** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Feb 14 09:42:54 2022
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 08:42:54 -0800
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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I installed this overflow radiator bottle in my 60 TR3
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-9135 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-9135>

The clear tube up the side showing the fluid level is what I like.  

There are a bunch of different shapes and sizes available.
https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=universal%20overflow <https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=universal%20overflow>

Along with the coil which I?ve moved off the engine, away from the heat and vibration, I?ve got the overflow bottle and coil mounted side by side on the drivers side inner fender wall.

When I look in the radiator when cold, the coolant is about 1/3 deep in the neck, and it?s about halfway up the clear tube on the side of the overflow bottle.

Rye





> On Feb 14, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 
>  
>  
> The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always had coolant spilling out from the car. 
>  
> If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator. Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If so, how high should I fill the rad? 
>  
> Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of: https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow <https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow>
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Dave MacKay
>  
> >From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com>> 
> >Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
> > 
> >I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.
> > 
> >That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.  
> > 
> >Randy
> > 
> >> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.
> >> 
> >> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
> >> 
> >> Thanks in advance,
>  
>  
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 11:27:35 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:27:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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Ditto, about a 1/4? of coolant visible in the neck, no problems.  
Bill B
TS30800L

?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

On Feb 14, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:

?
 
 
The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always had coolant spilling out from the car.
 
If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator. Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If so, how high should I fill the rad?
 
Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of: https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow
 
Thanks,
 
Dave MacKay
 
>From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> 
>Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
> 
>I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.
> 
>That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.  
> 
>Randy
> 
>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.
>> 
>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
 
 
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From perryfly at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 14:34:45 2022
From: perryfly at gmail.com (Perry Hammock)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 14:34:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Ovweflow
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I remember Randall wrote a definitive piece on this.  (Rest his soul).  Check In His archives.   
It was great advice 

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> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2022 16:33:48 -0500
> From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
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> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
> trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
> like best is already taken up by the horns.
> 
> 
> 
> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> Dave MacKay
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> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
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> From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
> To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>,
>    Triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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> The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the
> filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always
> had coolant spilling out from the car.
> 
> 
> 
> If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the
> radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator.
> Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If
> so, how high should I fill the rad?
> 
> 
> 
> Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would
> be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of:
> https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Dave MacKay
> 
> 
> 
> *>From:* Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
> *>Subject:* Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
> 
>> 
> 
>> I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant
> bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the
> horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture
> attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That
> tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.
> 
>> 
> 
>> That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck
> has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all
> the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When
> cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.
> 
>> 
> 
>> Randy
> 
>> 
> 
>>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
> trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
> like best is already taken up by the horns.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
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> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:20:31 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "dave at mdmackay.ca" <dave at mdmackay.ca>,
>    "deruiterville at hotmail.com" <deruiterville at hotmail.com>,
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> Back in the day the advice was (probably) "Fill until neck is half full."? Any excess will get dumped on the ground and the system will find it's own "Full."? Back in the day that was acceptable.? (probably)
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
> To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs at autox.team.net
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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>  one should barely see coolant in the radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator. Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If so, how high should I fill the rad? ?Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of: https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow?Thanks,?Dave MacKay?>From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A>?>I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.? On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.? That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.>?>That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?? The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?? When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.??>?>Randy>?>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.>>?>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.>>?>> Thanks in advance,??** triumphs at autox.team
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> From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
> To: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
> Cc: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>,
>    Triumphs at autox.team.net
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> I installed this overflow radiator bottle in my 60 TR3
> https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-9135 <https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mrg-9135>
> 
> The clear tube up the side showing the fluid level is what I like.  
> 
> There are a bunch of different shapes and sizes available.
> https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=universal%20overflow <https://www.summitracing.com/search?SortBy=BestKeywordMatch&SortOrder=Ascending&keyword=universal%20overflow>
> 
> Along with the coil which I?ve moved off the engine, away from the heat and vibration, I?ve got the overflow bottle and coil mounted side by side on the drivers side inner fender wall.
> 
> When I look in the radiator when cold, the coolant is about 1/3 deep in the neck, and it?s about halfway up the clear tube on the side of the overflow bottle.
> 
> Rye
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 14, 2022, at 7:56 AM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always had coolant spilling out from the car. 
>> 
>> If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator. Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If so, how high should I fill the rad? 
>> 
>> Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of: https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow <https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow>
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Dave MacKay
>> 
>>> From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.
>>> 
>>> That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.  
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.
>>>> 
>>>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
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> To: Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca>
> Cc: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>,
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> Ditto, about a 1/4? of coolant visible in the neck, no problems.  
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> 
> ?Last night I saw upon the stair,
> A little man who wasn't there,
> He wasn't there again today
> Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns
> 
> On Feb 14, 2022, at 9:56 AM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> The TR3A owners manual (Practical hints ?) says to ?keep the neck of the filler at least half full of water?. I?ve been doing that and have always had coolant spilling out from the car.
> 
> If Randy is correct in saying that one should barely see coolant in the radiator neck when the TR3A is cold, I?ve been overfilling the radiator. Can I solve the overflow problem simply by keeping the rad less full? If so, how high should I fill the rad?
> 
> Or would I be better off fitting a TR4A overflow bottle? If so, where would be a good location? Here?s what I?d been thinking of: https://mossmotors.com/catalogsearch/result/?cat=8823&q=overflow
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dave MacKay
> 
>> From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> 
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
>> 
>> I'm not sure you have room as I haven't done it on a TR3A, but a coolant bottle and bracket from a TR4A-6 might fit which would put it below the horns.  On my TR4, I added an expansion tank from an MGB like the picture attached which >remained pressurized with the system and worked well.  That tank can be added pretty much anywhere you have room.
>> 
>> That said, are you sure you need an overflow bottle?  The 3A radiator neck has a lot of expansion space in it - and normally that is what keeps all the coolant in place - are you possibly overfilling your radiator?  When cold you should barely >see coolant in the radiator neck.  
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I like best is already taken up by the horns.
>>> 
>>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 15:10:46 2022
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 16:10:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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My TR3B had an overflow bottle fitted when I got the car in 1981 and it
runs more or less the same setup now.  There's plenty of room for a
TR4-style overflow bottle at the front of the inner wing.





On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 3:34 PM Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:

> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
> trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
> like best is already taken up by the horns.
>
>
>
> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Dave MacKay
>
> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
>
> near Toronto, Canada
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 17:17:59 2022
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 18:17:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Add coolant overflow catch to TR3A
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The overflow bottles used on 60s Midgets and MGBs we're painted black, but
are brass underneath, I know more than a couple  LBC owners who have added
them to their earlier cars for a nice period look.

You used to be able to buy them all day long for $5 or so at swap meets.
Maybe those days are gone.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Clean-OEM-Brass-Radiator-Overflow-Expansion-Tank-Austin-Healey-Sprite-MG-Midget-/323915691718?_ul=IL

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022, 4:11 PM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> My TR3B had an overflow bottle fitted when I got the car in 1981 and it
> runs more or less the same setup now.  There's plenty of room for a
> TR4-style overflow bottle at the front of the inner wing.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2022 at 3:34 PM Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
>
>> I?d like to add a coolant overflow bottle to my TR3A (s/n 68639L). I?m
>> trying to determine a good spot for the coolant overflow bottle. The spot I
>> like best is already taken up by the horns.
>>
>>
>>
>> What Have others done? Pictures would be very helpful.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave MacKay
>>
>> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
>>
>> near Toronto, Canada
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Tue Feb 15 20:21:23 2022
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 03:21:23 +0000
Subject: [TR] Material for felt oil seal
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4613A6F43D85D18A5F945EA7FA359@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Looks like I need to make some ring seals for another LBC (Hillman Minx). I can?t locate any with 11/16? ID (17mm).  The rings will seal the large bolt in a canister oil filter very similar to the TR3-4A. They will be compressed between two washers, basically.

Any suggestions on the appropriate grade of wool felt? Or would any medium to low density wool work?

Thanks in advance,

Cliff


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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Feb 15 21:02:51 2022
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:02:51 -0800
Subject: [TR] DYTD photos
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR14MB4613A6F43D85D18A5F945EA7FA359@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Dear Fellow Triumph & Standard Owner,
Thank you to everyone who participated in Drive Your Triumph Day 2022. 

Many submissions included multiple photos, and in most cases I selected one.  There were also several group club drives around the world from Australia to Oklahoma to Canada, which is excellent.  Thank you to those who planned and hosted those drives. 
 
Possibly the most impressive event was held at the British Motor Museum in Warwick, United Kingdom, with over 50 Triumphs and Standards in attendance .  The photos that show three cars, a TR7 on the left and a Stag on the right, those were the last cars off the Triumph assembly line.  Attendees then parked their car in between for a photo.  Very cool.
 
So get a couple of fingers of scotch or brandy, or a pint of beer, sit back and click through 608 photos from all over the world, about 80 more photos than last year. 
 
https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com <https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com/>
 
If you have a photo you haven?t submitted yet, it?s not too late.  Send it to DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com <mailto:DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com>
 
DYTD 2023, February 10th, is on a Friday next year.  Mark it on your calendar now.
 
Regards,
 
Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Feb 16 08:50:36 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:50:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Material for felt oil seal
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR14MB4613A6F43D85D18A5F945EA7FA359@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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McMaster-Carr has something that might work:.
https://www.mcmaster.com/fiber-washers/.   Something in there should be
close to your size.  And you'll have plenty of spares!

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 22:21 Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:

> Looks like I need to make some ring seals for another LBC (Hillman Minx).
> I can?t locate any with 11/16? ID (17mm).  The rings will seal the large
> bolt in a canister oil filter very similar to the TR3-4A. They will be
> compressed between two washers, basically.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions on the appropriate grade of wool felt? Or would any medium
> to low density wool work?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
>
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 16 09:01:15 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2022 10:01:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] Material for felt oil seal
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CM+f_OPrJ9FKs+fQc=otf-PDWoX2dnMfq47nHUXDTuz9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I just bought the rubber washers from TRF, although they are pretty generic and you might find some that work at your local Ace hardware.

NFI,

Bill B

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2022 9:51 AM
To: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Material for felt oil seal

 

McMaster-Carr has something that might work:. https://www.mcmaster.com/fiber-washers/.   Something in there should be close to your size.  And you'll have plenty of spares!

 

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022, 22:21 Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlookcom <mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com> > wrote:

Looks like I need to make some ring seals for another LBC (Hillman Minx). I can?t locate any with 11/16? ID (17mm).  The rings will seal the large bolt in a canister oil filter very similar to the TR3-4A. They will be compressed between two washers, basically.

 

Any suggestions on the appropriate grade of wool felt? Or would any medium to low density wool work?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Cliff

 

 

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From john at linneyweb.com  Thu Feb 17 11:34:50 2022
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:34:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] Got a great Spitfire story?
Message-ID: <BE8ED0BC-C6BF-4B7B-89CC-A7BBE87CD669@linneyweb.com>

I?m looking to connect with anyone (whether a member of this list or not) who has any mark of Spitfire that they have owned from new (or are the 2nd long term owner). Initially looking within 100 miles of the Bay Area. This is for a very fun project I?ve been asked to put together. Thanks in advance. -john
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Feb 25 09:38:21 2022
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 09:38:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone crazy
Message-ID: <F0D1C226-8AF2-4DC2-BFBB-68231ACAAD35@comcast.net>


Listerati,

What could happen to make my Spitfire mechanical fuel pump start pumping excessive fuel pressure? I tried two different vacuum gages inline to the fuel line between the pump and the carbs and they both showed over 10 psi (maxed the gage actually). That overwhelms the float needle valves and makes the carbs flood making the engine barely idle and die if I try to increase the rpm?s.

I guess I don?t know enough about how fuel pumps limit fuel pressure internally. Is there something internal to the pump that could fail? Maybe one of the round valves?

I also tried inline fuel pressure regulators (three different ones) but it didn?t seem to faze the high pressure. That was puzzling also.

Once it warms up a little I?ll try a spare pump.

Thanks
Bud


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Feb 25 10:55:13 2022
From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:55:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone crazy
In-Reply-To: <F0D1C226-8AF2-4DC2-BFBB-68231ACAAD35@comcast.net>
References: <F0D1C226-8AF2-4DC2-BFBB-68231ACAAD35@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1695880105.1309783.1645811713489@mail.yahoo.com>

the pump only 'spring loads' fuel to the carbs as needed.I don't think the spring even generates 10 lbs of pressure when completely flattened out (compressed flat).
something else mechanical is going on if indeed your readings are correct.ptegler


-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2022 11:38 am
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone crazy


Listerati,

What could happen to make my Spitfire mechanical fuel pump start pumping excessive fuel pressure? I tried two different vacuum gages inline to the fuel line between the pump and the carbs and they both showed over 10 psi (maxed the gage actually). That overwhelms the float needle valves and makes the carbs flood making the engine barely idle and die if I try to increase the rpm?s.

I guess I don?t know enough about how fuel pumps limit fuel pressure internally. Is there something internal to the pump that could fail? Maybe one of the round valves?

I also tried inline fuel pressure regulators (three different ones) but it didn?t seem to faze the high pressure. That was puzzling also.

Once it warms up a little I?ll try a spare pump.

Thanks
Bud


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Feb 25 12:15:56 2022
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 12:15:56 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone wild
Message-ID: <E6C10A88-5A3B-42FD-8195-96E1E29B09EA@comcast.net>


Listerati,

What could happen to make my Spitfire mechanical fuel pump start pumping excessive fuel pressure? I tried two different vacuum gages inline to the fuel line between the pump and the carbs and they both showed over 10 psi (maxed the gage actually). That overwhelms the float needle valves and makes the carbs flood making the engine barely idle and die if I try to increase the rpm?s.

I guess I don?t know enough about how fuel pumps limit fuel pressure internally. Is there something internal to the pump that could fail? Maybe one of the round valves?

I also tried inline fuel pressure regulators (three different ones) but it didn?t seem to faze the high pressure. That was puzzling also.

Once it warms up a little I?ll try a spare pump.

Thanks
Bud


Sent from my Commodore 64 Sent from my Commodore 64

From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 25 12:49:41 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 19:49:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone wild
In-Reply-To: <E6C10A88-5A3B-42FD-8195-96E1E29B09EA@comcast.net>
References: <E6C10A88-5A3B-42FD-8195-96E1E29B09EA@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1770949742.2766887.1645818581747@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dunno.? What model fuel pump is it?? Is it one of those pulsing models?? Those I think just use the spring to determine the pressure.? The only thing that could cause those to over pressure would be a piece of debris caught in the spring.
A rotary style most likely has a pressure relief valve.? If the valve gets clogged the pressure will be uncontrolled.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2022 1:15 pm
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump gone wild


Listerati,

What could happen to make my Spitfire mechanical fuel pump start pumping excessive fuel pressure? I tried two different vacuum gages inline to the fuel line between the pump and the carbs and they both showed over 10 psi (maxed the gage actually). That overwhelms the float needle valves and makes the carbs flood making the engine barely idle and die if I try to increase the rpm?s.

I guess I don?t know enough about how fuel pumps limit fuel pressure internally. Is there something internal to the pump that could fail? Maybe one of the round valves?

I also tried inline fuel pressure regulators (three different ones) but it didn?t seem to faze the high pressure. That was puzzling also.

Once it warms up a little I?ll try a spare pump.

Thanks
Bud


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From paradisemusicnc at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 14:19:11 2022
From: paradisemusicnc at gmail.com (Bryan Loy)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:19:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
Message-ID: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello the list.  I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic that
rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump.   Ok, I can handle that, but
in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old
mechanical pump?  Pros and cons, please?  Thanks!

-- 
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Paradise Music
Franklin, N.C.
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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Fri Feb 25 14:34:24 2022
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (pdqtr6)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:34:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
In-Reply-To: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.2.1645824869.2808.triumphs@autox.team.net>

I replaced my original mechanical pump with an electrical Facet pump when the diaphragm sprung a leak and fuel was slowly draining into the oil pan. Nuff said right there, but there are other advantages from an electrical pump such as being able to add a hidden anti theft switch, or hearing the pump and knowing that it is working. The noise is not loud enough to complete with the sound of a stock exhaust, but it is enough to be reassuring.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> Date: 2/25/22  4:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question Hello the list.? I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic?that rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump. ? Ok, I can handle that, but in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old mechanical?pump?? Pros and cons, please?? Thanks!?-- Bryan C. LoyParadise MusicFranklin, N.C.?
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From hdrider570 at att.net  Fri Feb 25 14:48:28 2022
From: hdrider570 at att.net (Edward Hamer)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 21:48:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump
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The pressure regulators are really flow regulators so they stayic test at what ever the pump puts out.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 25 14:53:00 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 21:53:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
In-Reply-To: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>
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 I like the electric pump because you can fill your float bowls before you even start to crank the engine over. ?? 
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Feb 25, 2022 3:19 pm
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question

Hello the list.? I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic?that rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump. ? Ok, I can handle that, but in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old mechanical?pump?? Pros and cons, please?? Thanks!?

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Fri Feb 25 14:56:38 2022
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:56:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
In-Reply-To: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPe+S2SC3OnaG35U1XYG-quQJ7jB3+ea36aYzQhWoHTvEnEZxg@mail.gmail.com>
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The day before we took our GT6 to the historic races at Lime Rock Park last fall, I couldn?t get the car started. The old mechanical fuel pump was bad and I already had promised the parade lap at lunchtime to one of my student employees. Answer ? install an electric Facet pump. There?s not a lot of room on a GT6 and those pumps work best if they are mounted low on the car, preferably below the tank. I mounted it on the side of the left front frame section. For a ?Sunday Night Special? modification, it worked great ? we all enjoyed the parade laps at Lime Rock. Those pumps do make a ?ticking? sound but you would never hear it when you are driving, in my opinion. A stock, mechanical pump is still available from one of the big two for about $40 but I needed to get this car running with only a 5 hour window to do the work. The other nice thing is that after a long storage time, the engine fires right up ? no need to prime the carbs with excessive cranking as there was with the old pump. The other challenge was finding a path to run a switched 12V source to the pump and then fishing the wire around that incredibly tight dashboard/cowl area. I know that I should install an inertia safety switch but the car will be going up for sale sometime as I can no longer easily enter it or extract myself from it. If somebody wants the info, I can probably dig up the NAPA number for the pump that I used.

 

Alex Thomson

 

73 TR6

71 GT6

8 John Deere

1 Case

1 Farmall

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Loy
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 4:19 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question

 

Hello the list.  I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic that rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump.   Ok, I can handle that, but in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old mechanical pump?  Pros and cons, please?  Thanks! 


 

-- 

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Paradise Music

Franklin, N.C. 

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From paradisemusicnc at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 15:08:24 2022
From: paradisemusicnc at gmail.com (Bryan Loy)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:08:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
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Awesome, thanks!

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:56 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <
aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:

> The day before we took our GT6 to the historic races at Lime Rock Park
> last fall, I couldn?t get the car started. The old mechanical fuel pump was
> bad and I already had promised the parade lap at lunchtime to one of my
> student employees. Answer ? install an electric Facet pump. There?s not a
> lot of room on a GT6 and those pumps work best if they are mounted low on
> the car, preferably below the tank. I mounted it on the side of the left
> front frame section. For a ?Sunday Night Special? modification, it worked
> great ? we all enjoyed the parade laps at Lime Rock. Those pumps do make a
> ?ticking? sound but you would never hear it when you are driving, in my
> opinion. A stock, mechanical pump is still available from one of the big
> two for about $40 but I needed to get this car running with only a 5 hour
> window to do the work. The other nice thing is that after a long storage
> time, the engine fires right up ? no need to prime the carbs with excessive
> cranking as there was with the old pump. The other challenge was finding a
> path to run a switched 12V source to the pump and then fishing the wire
> around that incredibly tight dashboard/cowl area. I know that I should
> install an inertia safety switch but the car will be going up for sale
> sometime as I can no longer easily enter it or extract myself from it. If
> somebody wants the info, I can probably dig up the NAPA number for the pump
> that I used.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
>
>
> 73 TR6
>
> 71 GT6
>
> 8 John Deere
>
> 1 Case
>
> 1 Farmall
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Bryan
> Loy
> *Sent:* Friday, February 25, 2022 4:19 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] Another fuel pump question
>
>
>
> Hello the list.  I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic that
> rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump.   Ok, I can handle that, but
> in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old
> mechanical pump?  Pros and cons, please?  Thanks!
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bryan C. Loy
>
> Paradise Music
>
> Franklin, N.C.
>


-- 
Bryan C. Loy
Paradise Music
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 16:15:51 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 17:15:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
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Message-ID: <6F3F0AD2-14F8-4447-8124-0519D272D3D7@yahoo.com>

All the positive reasons Alex said.  I went to a switched post under the bonnet, no desire to get behind the dash if I can avoid it. 
Bill B
TS30800L


?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

On Feb 25, 2022, at 4:08 PM, Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> wrote:

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Awesome, thanks! 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 4:56 PM Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> The day before we took our GT6 to the historic races at Lime Rock Park last fall, I couldn?t get the car started. The old mechanical fuel pump was bad and I already had promised the parade lap at lunchtime to one of my student employees. Answer ? install an electric Facet pump. There?s not a lot of room on a GT6 and those pumps work best if they are mounted low on the car, preferably below the tank. I mounted it on the side of the left front frame section. For a ?Sunday Night Special? modification, it worked great ? we all enjoyed the parade laps at Lime Rock. Those pumps do make a ?ticking? sound but you would never hear it when you are driving, in my opinion. A stock, mechanical pump is still available from one of the big two for about $40 but I needed to get this car running with only a 5 hour window to do the work. The other nice thing is that after a long storage time, the engine fires right up ? no need to prime the carbs with excessive cranking as there was with the old pump. The other challenge was finding a path to run a switched 12V source to the pump and then fishing the wire around that incredibly tight dashboard/cowl area. I know that I should install an inertia safety switch but the car will be going up for sale sometime as I can no longer easily enter it or extract myself from it. If somebody wants the info, I can probably dig up the NAPA number for the pump that I used.
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> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Loy
> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2022 4:19 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Another fuel pump question
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> Hello the list.  I had some work done on my TR6, and the mechanic that rebuilt my carbs said I had a weak fuel pump.   Ok, I can handle that, but in y'alls opinion, is an electric pump better than the old mechanical pump?  Pros and cons, please?  Thanks! 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Feb 25 17:59:49 2022
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 16:59:49 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3A interior door panels
Message-ID: <04481b89-939d-e19a-b924-7df52034ed77@gmail.com>

Who offers interior door panels for a post TS-60000 TR3A besides Moss 
Motors? The glue on my current 20 year old Moss door panels died & they 
are looking pretty ragged. I would like to replace them. The rest of the 
interior is still in nice shape. But it doesn't seem that Moss is 
willing to sell just the door panels I would have to purchase a whole 
interior kit & I guess toss out the rest of the parts I have no use for.

Does any US company offer just the inside door panels?

TeriAnn

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 25 18:38:59 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 19:38:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A interior door panels
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You could DIY with a piece of luan door panel from your local home center, that?s what I did a couple years back.  
Didn?t do the cutout though. 

Bill B

?Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away?.... Mearns

On Feb 25, 2022, at 7:00 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

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Who offers interior door panels for a post TS-60000 TR3A besides Moss Motors? The glue on my current 20 year old Moss door panels died & they are looking pretty ragged. I would like to replace them. The rest of the interior is still in nice shape. But it doesn't seem that Moss is willing to sell just the door panels I would have to purchase a whole interior kit & I guess toss out the rest of the parts I have no use for.

Does any US company offer just the inside door panels?

TeriAnn

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 25 18:48:15 2022
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 01:48:15 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3A interior door panels
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TeriAnn,

The Roadster Factory does (https://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3GB/304.php), but like Moss, their catalog only offers complete kits. They might make these in-house, so if you called them, they might be willing to sell you just the door cards. I've found them very flexible to those kinds of customizations in the past. You might find the color doesn't match exactly though.

Joel...

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sat Feb 26 06:43:07 2022
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (CFM-TR)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 08:43:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A interior door panels
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TeriAnn - DIY?? SMS Auto Fabrics in Portland area can match your vinyl/leather material.? I am sure you have the skillset to pull it off... 

On Feb 25, 2022, 7:59 PM, at 7:59 PM, "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>Who offers interior door panels for a post TS-60000 TR3A besides Moss 
>Motors? The glue on my current 20 year old Moss door panels died & they
>
>are looking pretty ragged. I would like to replace them. The rest of
>the 
>interior is still in nice shape. But it doesn't seem that Moss is 
>willing to sell just the door panels I would have to purchase a whole 
>interior kit & I guess toss out the rest of the parts I have no use
>for.
>
>Does any US company offer just the inside door panels?
>
>TeriAnn
>
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>Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and 
>Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
>2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to
>write
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 26 10:29:48 2022
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2022 17:29:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A interior door panels
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 too Tall on ebay.did my entier car and it looks great
    On Friday, February 25, 2022, 05:00:22 PM PST, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
   
Who offers interior door panels for a post TS-60000 TR3A besides Moss Motors? The glue on my current 20 year old Moss door panels died & they are looking pretty ragged. I would like to replace them. The rest of the interior is still in nice shape. But it doesn't seem that Moss is willing to sell just the door panels I would have to purchase a whole interior kit & I guess toss out the rest of the parts I have no use for.
 
Does any US company offer just the inside door panels?
 
TeriAnn
 
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From MACHINEMD at msn.com  Sun Feb 27 09:32:36 2022
From: MACHINEMD at msn.com (STEVE STERN)
Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2022 16:32:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] fuel pump gone wild
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Same problem back in Oct/Nov with not 1 but 2 replacement fuel pumps from Moss. The boxes were labeled Moss 1624z. They both put out 8+ psi. Bought a 3rd from BPNW labeled Powertune 1624. Same exact pump but 3+ psi. All is well now! Moss told me to not return, just toss em. Bad batch? Incorrect spring or diaphragms?  Manufacturers mislabeling? Mispick in warehouse?
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