From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Dec  2 08:49:39 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 10:49:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
Message-ID: <F4542DD9-3BA7-4684-8DBB-C189C5AB6717@fuse.net>

Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Dec  2 09:25:42 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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 I drove my TR6 (CD175 Zenith/Strombergs) from St. Louis (alt 600 ft) to Breckenridge (10,000 ft) and then up Pike's Peak (14, 010) and the only issue I had was the car was not too willing to idle at 14,000 ft.? I'm sure it wasn't optimal but it worked well enough for the short trip (VTR).
 
Dave 


 
 
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Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A? leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com

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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  2 09:56:43 2022
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 16:56:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Dave

Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.

Randy
FOG37

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> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all,
> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
> Thanks in advance!
> Dave Connitt
> ?67 TR4A-IRS
> DavesTR4A.com
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec  2 10:40:03 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 17:40:03 +0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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What I did vs what I should have done.

We drove from Dallas (sea level) to Reno (about 5000 ft) and did nothing.  The car drove ok.  once in Reno we leaned it out quite a bit and it ran much better.  Back through Taos and return to Dallas did not do anything.  Car still runs and drives but I really should get out there and do a tune up.

Here is how to tell:  hold the piston up just a smidge with a flat bladed screwdriver.

RPM increase means the carb is adjusted too rich.  RPM drop means the carb is adjusted too lean.  RPM stumble, but returning close to normal or no change means the mixture is about right.

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Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Dec  2 10:45:08 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 12:45:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

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> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave
> 
> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
> 
> Randy
> FOG37
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
>> 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Fri Dec  2 13:42:05 2022
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 20:42:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Dave,

When I drove Albuquerque to Breckinridge and return, up over a pass at 11500, at around 9kft I advanced the timing a few degrees. I didn?t touch the carbs. I don?t think the timing adjustment was necessary but it was easy to do.

If you sent your itinerary dates I might meet you in Co Springs and then there would be 9 hill climbers.

Cliff 

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> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:57 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the tip Randy! 
> Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.
> 
> Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
> Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
> Dave and Colleen Connitt
> FOG 51
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dave
>> 
>> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
>> 
>> Randy
>> FOG37
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi all,
>>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Dave Connitt
>>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>>> DavesTR4A.com
>>> 
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From stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Fri Dec  2 14:33:46 2022
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org (stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:33:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

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Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave
> 
> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
> 
> Randy
> FOG37
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
>> 
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 04:40:24 2022
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 06:40:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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I strongly suspect that the ?Constant Depression? design of the SU and ZS carbs compensates for altitude a fair amount.  So, the mixture is probably going to be reasonably good.   

What you cannot compensate for is the fact that there is just less air up there.  You will get fewer HP up at high altitude.

Now, a nice turbocharger (aka Turbosupercharger, which seems like a cooler name) would help that. :)

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
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> 
> Hi all,
> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
> Thanks in advance!
> Dave Connitt
> ?67 TR4A-IRS
> DavesTR4A.com


From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Dec  3 08:25:19 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 10:25:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Tony,
Several people responded the same regarding not having to adjust the carbs for altitude due to their design. There was one comment regarding a group of Triumphs traveling up Pikes Peak having fuel starvation issues related to mechanical fuel pump cavitation. Others in the same group that had electric fuel pumps had no problems. I?m not sure if I want to go that far or not but I have a few months to decide. If I decide to install an electric fuel pump then I have to install an inertia switch too I suppose..I wonder if I can install the electric pump in series between the tank and mechanical pump as a backup?
Dave


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> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:40 AM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I strongly suspect that the ?Constant Depression? design of the SU and ZS carbs compensates for altitude a fair amount.  So, the mixture is probably going to be reasonably good.   
> 
> What you cannot compensate for is the fact that there is just less air up there.  You will get fewer HP up at high altitude.
> 
> Now, a nice turbocharger (aka Turbosupercharger, which seems like a cooler name) would help that. :)
> 
> -Tony
> 
> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
> 
>> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>> Message-ID: <F4542DD9-3BA7-4684-8DBB-C189C5AB6717 at fuse.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
> 


From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 08:35:26 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 09:35:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Dave,
Drove my TR3 with stock fuel pump for several years all around between 3,000 and 8,000 feet with no problems.   If you taking a trip, take along an electric pump with alligator clips and a bit of hose, it is an easy emergency repair.  
Bill B


?Do your best, and let the sparrows twitter?  Lofty

On Dec 3, 2022, at 9:30 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

?Tony,
Several people responded the same regarding not having to adjust the carbs for altitude due to their design. There was one comment regarding a group of Triumphs traveling up Pikes Peak having fuel starvation issues related to mechanical fuel pump cavitation. Others in the same group that had electric fuel pumps had no problems. I?m not sure if I want to go that far or not but I have a few months to decide. If I decide to install an electric fuel pump then I have to install an inertia switch too I suppose..I wonder if I can install the electric pump in series between the tank and mechanical pump as a backup?
Dave


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:40 AM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I strongly suspect that the ?Constant Depression? design of the SU and ZS carbs compensates for altitude a fair amount.  So, the mixture is probably going to be reasonably good.   
> 
> What you cannot compensate for is the fact that there is just less air up there.  You will get fewer HP up at high altitude.
> 
> Now, a nice turbocharger (aka Turbosupercharger, which seems like a cooler name) would help that. :)
> 
> -Tony
> 
> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
> 
>> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>> Message-ID: <F4542DD9-3BA7-4684-8DBB-C189C5AB6717 at fuse.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
> 

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sat Dec  3 09:21:54 2022
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 09:21:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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.. a backup electric pump is not a bad idea. They should be installed at 
the rear end (pushers, not pullers), having said that, a spare 
mechanical is quite easy to install on a TR on

 ?the side of the road unless at the top of a mountain with frozen 
fingers.. lol

DaveP

On 12/3/2022 8:25 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> Tony,
> Several people responded the same regarding not having to adjust the carbs for altitude due to their design. There was one comment regarding a group of Triumphs traveling up Pikes Peak having fuel starvation issues related to mechanical fuel pump cavitation. Others in the same group that had electric fuel pumps had no problems. I?m not sure if I want to go that far or not but I have a few months to decide. If I decide to install an electric fuel pump then I have to install an inertia switch too I suppose..I wonder if I can install the electric pump in series between the tank and mechanical pump as a backup?
> Dave
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:40 AM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?I strongly suspect that the ?Constant Depression? design of the SU and ZS carbs compensates for altitude a fair amount.  So, the mixture is probably going to be reasonably good.
>>
>> What you cannot compensate for is the fact that there is just less air up there.  You will get fewer HP up at high altitude.
>>
>> Now, a nice turbocharger (aka Turbosupercharger, which seems like a cooler name) would help that. :)
>>
>> -Tony
>>
>> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>>
>>> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
>>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>>> Message-ID: <F4542DD9-3BA7-4684-8DBB-C189C5AB6717 at fuse.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Dave Connitt
>>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>>> DavesTR4A.com
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 13:22:46 2022
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 12:22:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
In-Reply-To: <10C2B9B5-2EB5-47F2-B12B-DD4E21E4F18D@fuse.net>
References: <684BB160-6834-4DD6-AF57-1D9D5BA6B2EB@comcast.net>
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Hi Dave,
For what it's worth, I was having fuel pump issues on my '49 roadster. I installed an electric pump on the inner fender in-line with the mechanical pump and put it on a separate switch. I put it in as a backup, but mostly I use it to prime the carburetor when the car has been sitting for more than a few hours. Since I turn it off after the car has started (assuming I remember) I don't feel the need of an inertia switch.

Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2022 7:25 AM
To: Anthony Rhodes
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Tony,
Several people responded the same regarding not having to adjust the carbs for altitude due to their design. There was one comment regarding a group of Triumphs traveling up Pikes Peak having fuel starvation issues related to mechanical fuel pump cavitation. Others in the same group that had electric fuel pumps had no problems. I?m not sure if I want to go that far or not but I have a few months to decide. If I decide to install an electric fuel pump then I have to install an inertia switch too I suppose..I wonder if I can install the electric pump in series between the tank and mechanical pump as a backup?
Dave


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 3, 2022, at 6:40 AM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I strongly suspect that the ?Constant Depression? design of the SU and ZS carbs compensates for altitude a fair amount.  So, the mixture is probably going to be reasonably good.   
> 
> What you cannot compensate for is the fact that there is just less air up there.  You will get fewer HP up at high altitude.
> 
> Now, a nice turbocharger (aka Turbosupercharger, which seems like a cooler name) would help that. :)
> 
> -Tony
> 
> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
> 
>> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>> Message-ID: <F4542DD9-3BA7-4684-8DBB-C189C5AB6717 at fuse.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
> 

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sun Dec  4 03:37:25 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 10:37:25 -0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.

jonmac

-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> 
Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave
> 
> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
> 
> Randy
> FOG37
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi all,
>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>> Thanks in advance!
>> Dave Connitt
>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>> DavesTR4A.com
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sun Dec  4 08:56:34 2022
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 08:56:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] parts for our cars?
Message-ID: <2b2fd78e-a8f4-c0ca-bfe4-3e864717831a@porterscustom.com>

https://www.hagerty.com/media/news/shop-500000-vintage-british-car-parts-on-motoclans-new-website/

Anyone have any experience with these folks?

DaveP

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Dec  4 21:10:22 2022
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2022 21:10:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023
Message-ID: <add145ed-ef91-4ea8-880c-2886129f2de3@bradakis.com>

Back in the day, I went to 12 VTR nationals in a row, didn't miss a 
year.? Been a LONG time since I have attended one.? Got a notice about 
registration is open for the 2023 event in Georgia.

I should go.

mjb.



From rbtr3a at cox.net  Mon Dec  5 06:50:07 2022
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 08:50:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023
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Yes. 

Ronnie

> On Dec 5, 2022, at 8:43 AM, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Back in the day, I went to 12 VTR nationals in a row, didn't miss a year.  Been a LONG time since I have attended one.  Got a notice about registration is open for the 2023 event in Georgia.
> 
> I should go.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  5 07:52:03 2022
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 14:52:03 +0000
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023
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We all agree! ?

Marty
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2022 11:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023

Back in the day, I went to 12 VTR nationals in a row, didn't miss a
year.  Been a LONG time since I have attended one.  Got a notice about
registration is open for the 2023 event in Georgia.

I should go.

mjb.


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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 08:25:58 2022
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 10:25:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] 2023 VTR National Convention
Message-ID: <CADm3DLHAGUy4BHmFFH3bQgaRWDpnYSFOStADJz5wxCcMMQEsRQ@mail.gmail.com>

I was registering for the 2023 VTR National in GA and got to the prompt
where it's asking whether or not I want "Purchase Protection".  From my
understanding for $17 dollars I get a guarantee that if I cancel for any
reason I get my money back.

I'm a little confused.  It's been a few years since I went to one of the
conventions but it was always my understanding that if you canceled prior
to the event, assuming not the day of or similar then you could get a
refund.  Has this policy been changed?

Is this some third party Purchase Protection plan?  What are the
cancellation rules anyway?

Thanks,

Brad
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec  6 10:01:50 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 17:01:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
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We are about to do a 5 speed conversion.  Looking for recommendations on vendors.
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Tue Dec  6 13:10:09 2022
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 15:10:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 17:01:50 +0000
>From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
>
>We are about to do a 5 speed conversion.  Looking for recommendations on
vendors.

I put an HVDA conversion in my TR3A several years ago. It was the biggest
improvement I've made to the car and has been trouble-free. No regrets!

Although Herman has passed on, Moss now sells the conversion kit (see
https://mossmotors.com/hvda-5-speed-conversions). It uses a Toyota
transmission (not included in the kit).

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A
s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

From brserv at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 14:45:13 2022
From: brserv at aol.com (brserv at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 21:45:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
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I thought about the 5 speed conversion for my 1959, TR3A, but at the end, I sourced a Type A overdrive, had it checked out by an expert, and installed it. In my opinion this is the best way to improve the TR3A. Can now easily cruise at 80 MPH on the highway, and have 7 forward gears. It is nice to drive in traffic using the overdrive to shift up and down as needed.
?Alex Levy1959 TR3A and 1966 TR4A.Florida
In a message dated 12/6/2022 3:36:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, dave at mdmackay.ca writes:?
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 17:01:50 +0000>From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>>Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion>>We are about to do a 5 speed conversion.? Looking for recommendations onvendors.?I put an HVDA conversion in my TR3A several years ago. It was the biggestimprovement I've made to the car and has been trouble-free. No regrets!?Although Herman has passed on, Moss now sells the conversion kit (seehttps://mossmotors.com/hvda-5-speed-conversions). It uses a Toyotatransmission (not included in the kit).?Dave MacKay1960 Triumph TR3As/n 68639Lnear Toronto, Canada** triumphs at autox.team.net **?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive?Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/brserv at aol.com
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From loumetelko at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 14:48:21 2022
From: loumetelko at aol.com (loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 21:48:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
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> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 17:01:50 +0000
>From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
>
>We are about to do a 5 speed conversion.? Looking for recommendations on
vendor


Interested in reading about pros and cons of both options.? I have a 54 TR2 with O/D and 48,000 miles? ? The majority of those miles on our Interstates at 80MPH?
Lou MetelkoAuburn, Indiana




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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Dec  6 16:04:10 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 23:04:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 2023 VTR National Convention
In-Reply-To: <CADm3DLHAGUy4BHmFFH3bQgaRWDpnYSFOStADJz5wxCcMMQEsRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADm3DLHAGUy4BHmFFH3bQgaRWDpnYSFOStADJz5wxCcMMQEsRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 Hello, Brad.? There is a list of conditions under which you can receive a refund.? On the registration page there is some small print and a button you can press for more small print that gives a list of specific conditions where a refund is warranted.? Outside those you're out of luck.
I opted out.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Brad Kahler <bkahler1 at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2022 9:25 am
Subject: [TR] 2023 VTR National Convention

I was registering for the 2023 VTR National in GA and got to the prompt where it's asking whether or not I want "Purchase Protection".? From my understanding for $17 dollars I get a guarantee that if I cancel for any reason I get my money back.??
I'm a little confused.? It's been a few years since I went to one of the conventions but it was always my understanding that if you canceled prior to the event, assuming not the day of or similar then you could get a refund.? Has this policy been changed???
Is this some third party Purchase Protection plan?? What are the cancellation rules anyway?
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 18:00:02 2022
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 01:00:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversion
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 how about do it yourself?
Frank
    On Tuesday, December 6, 2022 at 09:44:21 AM PST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
  
We are about to do a 5 speed conversion.? Looking for recommendations on vendors.
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 11:46:10 2022
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 13:46:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] 2023 VTR National Convention
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Hi Dave,

Ronnie Babbitt replied and gave the same advice, to opt out.  So that's
what I did.

Now I just need to get the car done before September!

Brad

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 6:04 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Hello, Brad.  There is a list of conditions under which you can receive a
> refund.  On the registration page there is some small print and a button
> you can press for more small print that gives a list of specific conditions
> where a refund is warranted.  Outside those you're out of luck.
>
> I opted out.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 15:33:14 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 17:33:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] VTR 2023
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It's just up the street from me (relatively speaking) and I've never been.
But I might have to do this one.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2022, 23:27 Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> Back in the day, I went to 12 VTR nationals in a row, didn't miss a
> year.  Been a LONG time since I have attended one.  Got a notice about
> registration is open for the 2023 event in Georgia.
>
> I should go.
>
> mjb.
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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Dec  5 12:22:07 2022
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 11:22:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest.  On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet.  I didn?t adjust anything and it ran well.

Rye



> On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.
> 
> jonmac
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> 
> Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
> To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
> 
> I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!
> 
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
> To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
> 
> Thanks for the tip Randy! 
> Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.
> 
> Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
> Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
> Dave and Colleen Connitt
> FOG 51
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dave
>> 
>> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.
>> 
>> Randy
>> FOG37
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi all,
>>> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> Dave Connitt
>>> ?67 TR4A-IRS
>>> DavesTR4A.com
>>> 
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Tue Dec  6 02:12:10 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 09:12:10 -0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Back in the day ? like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike?s Peak equivalent places in some of those locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don?t take on board.

 

Jonmac

 

From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> 
Sent: 05 December 2022 19:22
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

 

Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest.  On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet.  I didn?t adjust anything and it ran well.

 

Rye

 







On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>  wrote:

 

Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.

jonmac

-----Original Message-----
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To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net> >; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com> >
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com> >
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

Sent from my iPhone




On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com> > wrote:

?Dave

Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.

Randy
FOG37

Sent from my iPhone




On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net> > wrote:

?Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com <http://DavesTR4A.com> 

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue Dec  6 07:04:11 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Tue Dec  6 13:47:55 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 20:47:55 -0000
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Hi, Dave,

 

Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public and enthusiast?s eye except for one or two ? and they were mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and the one about which he was the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or three Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. The book of that trip was called ?Turn Left at Tangier? though I don?t think Ray provided much of the input to it being written. If he had, it?s likely he?d have either lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of the Company for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray?s view ? which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip, was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it?s a tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture, language, don?t-do?s etc that they would encounter, the very real dangers that faced them in going through certain countries where the white man definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and camping kit ? and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route, several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can?t recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators that didn?t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as ?the journey through hell? and he was very critical of Alick Dick (Standard-Triumph?s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for abdicating the company?s duty of care to employees in sending that team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.

Another of Ray?s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whose roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks ? and without any drawings at all! It was all done on ?if it looks right, it?ll probably be right ? and it was. That car was so good it *ought* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been incurred in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values)  on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated to an extra GBP250 at retail ? and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car ? apart from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed from the start and leading that argument was the Company?s chief test driver!

So, a little bit of ?behind the scenes? history for those who are interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.

 

Jonmac

 

From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> 
Sent: 06 December 2022 14:04
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>; stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

 

That?s interesting Jonmac,

Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude? Asking for a friend, LOL.

Dave Connitt

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On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>  wrote:

?

Back in the day ? like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike?s Peak equivalent places in some of those locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don?t take on board.

 

Jonmac

 

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Sent: 05 December 2022 19:22
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Cc: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> ; Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net> >; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com> >; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

 

Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest.  On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet.  I didn?t adjust anything and it ran well.

 

Rye

 

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On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>  wrote:

 

Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.

jonmac

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Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

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Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

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On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com <mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com> > wrote:

?Dave

Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.

Randy
FOG37

Sent from my iPhone





On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net> > wrote:

?Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com <http://DavesTR4A.com> 

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From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 18:23:13 -0500
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 12:26:38 2022
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 13:26:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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That is great stuff, thanks John.  The Sprite/Spitfire competition must
have been pretty fierce, there were possibilities for improving the Sprite
too, like using the Cooper S version of the 1275 A series.  But that would
have made the Sprite as quick or quicker than a Spitfire but also as fast
or faster than an MGB, and of course the car would have been more
expensive.  They always built the cars to a price didn't they? Fun to think
of what might have been, and also fun to cobble up our own modern versions
of the factory hot rods.

Greg Lemon

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 12:20 PM <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

> Hi, Dave,
>
>
>
> Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public and
> enthusiast?s eye except for one or two ? and they were mainly known only in
> the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds in heaven. One of
> them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Department. A lovely,
> unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old school and who could
> turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywhere, told me many
> stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number of trips in
> development cars to far flung destinations and the one about which he was
> the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or three Heralds
> (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. The book of
> that trip was called ?Turn Left at Tangier? though I don?t think Ray
> provided much of the input to it being written. If he had, it?s likely he?d
> have either lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He
> was scathing in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of
> the Company for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray?s
> view ? which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip,
> was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it?s a
> tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the
> cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and
> no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability
> of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of
> training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture,
> language, don?t-do?s etc that they would encounter, the very real dangers
> that faced them in going through certain countries where the white man
> definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first
> aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in
> terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I
> recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard
> Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and
> camping kit ? and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that
> each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route,
> several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can?t
> recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel
> carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were
> air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do
> know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made
> radiators that didn?t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent
> a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a
> lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly
> amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair.
> Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part
> in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of
> Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of
> Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that
> event as ?the journey through hell? and he was very critical of Alick Dick
> (Standard-Triumph?s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for abdicating
> the company?s duty of care to employees in sending that team of men on what
> they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars that were
> totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.
>
> Another of Ray?s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whose
> roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was
> so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the
> concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line,
> substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the
> car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using
> parts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion,
> on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks ? and without
> any drawings at all! It was all done on ?if it looks right, it?ll probably
> be right ? and it was. That car was so good it **ought** to have gone
> into production but the costs that would have been incurred in completely
> re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and
> strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values)  on
> the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated to an
> extra GBP250 at retail ? and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly?) that this
> would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridget the
> favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible
> shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car ? apart from Webster,
> were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed from
> the start and leading that argument was the Company?s chief test driver!
>
> So, a little bit of ?behind the scenes? history for those who are
> interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> *Sent:* 06 December 2022 14:04
> *To:* johnbmacartney at gmx.com
> *Cc:* Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>; stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org;
> Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
>
>
> That?s interesting Jonmac,
>
> Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude?
> Asking for a friend, LOL.
>
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Back in the day ? like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers
> undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations
> were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the
> Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike?s Peak equivalent places in some of those
> locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don?t take
> on board.
>
>
>
> Jonmac
>
>
>
> *From:* Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
> *Sent:* 05 December 2022 19:22
> *To:* johnbmacartney at gmx.com
> *Cc:* stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>;
> Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
>
>
> Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to
> Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest.  On the way home we
> drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet.  I didn?t adjust
> anything and it ran well.
>
>
>
> Rye
>
>
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:
>
>
>
> Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or
> 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was
> glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all.
> That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view
> at the summit.
>
> jonmac
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>
>
> Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
> To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <
> deruiterville at hotmail.com>
> Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
> I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!
>
> Glenn aka StagByTriumph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
> To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question
>
> Thanks for the tip Randy!
> Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState
> Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up
> Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if
> she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will
> be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no
> hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far.
> I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may
> want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.
>
> Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
> Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
> Dave and Colleen Connitt
> FOG 51
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <
> deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Dave
>
> Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG
> buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was
> the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple
> guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no
> carb adjustments were made for any of them.
>
> Randy
> FOG37
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> ?Hi all,
> This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my
> TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our
> first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes
> Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude
> approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national
> park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in
> altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6
> carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your
> Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
> Thanks in advance!
> Dave Connitt
> ?67 TR4A-IRS
> DavesTR4A.com
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From creig555 at live.com  Thu Dec  8 13:41:25 2022
From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 20:41:25 +0000
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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Jonmac,
That's an awesome story! It has all the elements every adventure story needs.
I am with St Louis Triumph Owner's Association. I have copied our Exhaust Notes newsletter editor Mark Morgan. I think this would be a wonderful story for our newsletter if we would have your permission to use it.
Creig Houghtaling



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-------- Original message --------
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Date: 12/8/22 12:59 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
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Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

That?s a great story!
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2022, at 3:48 PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:

?

Hi, Dave,



Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public and enthusiast?s eye except for one or two ? and they were mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and the one about which he was the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or three Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. The book of that trip was called ?Turn Left at Tangier? though I don?t think Ray provided much of the input to it being written. If he had, it?s likely he?d have either lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of the Company for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray?s view ? which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip, was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it?s a tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture, language, don?t-do?s etc that they would encounter, the very real dangers that faced them in going through certain countries where the white man definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and camping kit ? and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route, several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can?t recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators that didn?t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as ?the journey through hell? and he was very critical of Alick Dick (Standard-Triumph?s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for abdicating the company?s duty of care to employees in sending that team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.

Another of Ray?s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whose roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks ? and without any drawings at all! It was all done on ?if it looks right, it?ll probably be right ? and it was. That car was so good it *ought* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been incurred in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values)  on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated to an extra GBP250 at retail ? and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car ? apart from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed from the start and leading that argument was the Company?s chief test driver!

So, a little bit of ?behind the scenes? history for those who are interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.



Jonmac



From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Sent: 06 December 2022 14:04
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>; stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question



That?s interesting Jonmac,

Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude? Asking for a friend, LOL.

Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone



On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

?

Back in the day ? like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike?s Peak equivalent places in some of those locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don?t take on board.



Jonmac



From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com<mailto:ryel at mac.com>>
Sent: 05 December 2022 19:22
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org<mailto:stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org>; Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net<mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com<mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com>>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question



Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest.  On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet.  I didn?t adjust anything and it ran well.



Rye



<image001.jpg>




On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:



Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.

jonmac

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Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
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Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com<mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com>>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Thanks for the tip Randy!
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

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On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com<mailto:deruiterville at hotmail.com>> wrote:

?Dave

Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think.  A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.

Randy
FOG37

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On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net<mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>> wrote:

?Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A  leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com<http://DavesTR4A.com>

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 14:52:50 2022
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 15:52:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 16:51:25 2022
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 23:51:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Travel and tuning question
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 oh John. please do not stop with your history. you can take up all my reading all day, every day.
Franka scouse in california



    On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:34:00 AM PST, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:  
 
 
Hi, Dave,

 ?

Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public and enthusiast?s eye except for one or two ? and they were mainly known only in the UK. Sadly, all but one of them are now fixing Heralds in heaven. One of them was the late Ray Henderson from the Experimental Department. A lovely, unassuming man who was a brilliant engineer of the old school and who could turn his hand to fixing the impossible miles from anywhere, told me many stories of his experiences. Ray undertook quite a number of trips in development cars to far flung destinations and the one about which he was the most critical was being one of the crew that drove two or three Heralds (pre-launch versions) from Cape Town in South Africa to London. The book of that trip was called ?Turn Left at Tangier? though I don?t think Ray provided much of the input to it being written. If he had, it?s likely he?d have either lost his job or been seriously disciplined on his return. He was scathing in the extreme about the whole venture and highly critical of the Company for even suggesting the exercise in the first place. In Ray?s view ? which I think was shared by all those who went with him on the trip, was that the cars were totally unsuited to the journey they made and it?s a tribute to Ray and his colleagues that they actually managed to get the cars back, so badly were they damaged by the appalling so-called roads and no roads at all in crossing the Sahara desert. Apart from the unsuitability of the chosen route, none of those who took part were given any kind of training or pre-run preparation in terms of the types of terrain, culture, language, don?t-do?s etc that they would encounter, the very real dangers that faced them in going through certain countries where the white man definitely was not wanted, through training in basic medicine and first aid, treating colleagues for scorpion attacks or snake bite and damn all in terms of carrying appropriate medical kits on all the vehicles. As I recall, there were three Heralds, one Vanguard estate car and a Standard Atlas van with about one and a half tons of parts, tools, fuel, water and camping kit ? and just one 948cc engine to drive it!!!!! Ray told me that each Herald required at least three rear suspension rebuilds en-route, several clutch changes and two or three major gearbox failures! I can?t recall the details now, but there were so many driveshaft, rear wheel carriers and other vital parts failures, that several more were air-freighted out to Nigeria in the hope of getting the cars home. I do know all the cars were re-fitted in Lagos, Nigeria with locally made radiators that didn?t break or crack as a result of vibration. Having spent a lot of time in Africa myself, I know what their roads can do and I have a lot of respect for local tradespeople on street corners who can do truly amazing things in repairing something that looks smashed beyond repair. Anyway, when they finally got to Coventry, all the men who had taken part in the event, were publicly castigated by Harry Webster, the Director of Engineering for submitting trip reports that were critical of a number of Webster-inspired features on the Herald in particular. Ray summarised that event as ?the journey through hell? and he was very critical of Alick Dick (Standard-Triumph?s CEO) and Frank Higham (Sales Director) for abdicating the company?s duty of care to employees in sending that team of men on what they felt was a dangerous and ill thought-out expedition in cars that were totally unsuited to that sort of travel in such conditions.

Another of Ray?s unique contributions was the creation of a Spitfire whose roadholding was far better than the Sprite/Midget in standard spec. It was so good that Webster insisted it should be put in the crusher and the concept forgotten. Basically, Ray modified a Spitfire taken off the line, substantially reinforced the rear part of the bodyshell and re-equipped the car with semi-trailing arms and coil springs as per the TR4A but using parts from the Triumph 1300 front wheel drive car. Ray did that conversion, on his own, in the Engineering workshop in just three weeks ? and without any drawings at all! It was all done on ?if it looks right, it?ll probably be right ? and it was. That car was so good it *ought* to have gone into production but the costs that would have been incurred in completely re-jigging the chassis and doing major work in re-designing and strengthening the body tub would have put another GBP50 (@ 1966 values) ?on the manufacturing cost of the car. Such a cost would have translated to an extra GBP250 at retail ? and Webster claimed (perhaps correctly?) that this would price the Spitfire out of the market and make the Spridget the favoured car for its price, so he threw the whole idea out. A terrible shame in its way. All those (few) who drove the car ? apart from Webster, were unanimous it was the way the Spitfire should have been designed from the start and leading that argument was the Company?s chief test driver!

So, a little bit of ?behind the scenes? history for those who are interested. Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.

 ?

Jonmac

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From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> 
Sent: 06 December 2022 14:04
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>; stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

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That?s interesting Jonmac,

Did any of those shows ever discuss how the drivers handled the altitude? Asking for a friend, LOL.

Dave Connitt

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On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:12 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:



?

Back in the day ? like fifty plus years ago, all the larger UK car makers undertook extensive altitude testing on all their cars. Favourite locations were Europe, Scandinavia, Canadian Rockies, the Andes and Iran before the Shah was deposed. Lots of Pike?s Peak equivalent places in some of those locations and this sort of testing is something many enthusiasts don?t take on board.

?

Jonmac

?

From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> 
Sent: 05 December 2022 19:22
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org; Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>; Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

?

Before the pandemic I drove my TR3 from sea level in California, to Flagstaff Arizona, just shy of 7000?, for Triumphest. ?On the way home we drove over Tioga Pass going into Yosemite at 9,945 feet. ?I didn?t adjust anything and it ran well.

?

Rye

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On Dec 4, 2022, at 2:37 AM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:

?

Agreed. I don?t recall either of those Stags suffering fuel starvation or 'altitude' sickness. One on SU's, the other on Strombergs. Must admit I was glad when we did the descent as the altitude was doing me no good at all. That said, a great drive in both directions, a fine day and an amazing view at the summit.

jonmac

-----Original Message-----
From: stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org <stagbytriumph at triumphstagclub.org> 
Sent: 02 December 2022 21:34
To: 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>; 'Randy and Valerie DeRuiter' <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

I hear there are a lot of "'deer" on top of Pikes Peak at various times!

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2022 10:45 AM
To: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Travel and tuning question

Thanks for the tip Randy! 
Yea, the trip to Pikes Peak started from a conversation with some TriState Triumph people at lunch after one of our ?spirited drives?. The trip up Pikes Peak was a bucket list goal of one of the couples. I asked my wife if she wanted to go too and after saying yes, she suggested that since we will be out west why not see some other sites? We?re both retired so there?s no hurry getting back home. There?s about 8 of us going to Pikes Peak so far. I haven?t mentioned our extended trip to the group yet but some of them may want to go with us instead of driving straight back to Cinci.

Thanks again for the electric fuel pump idea!!
Tha car is already up on the QuckJack?.
Dave and Colleen Connitt
FOG 51

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On Dec 2, 2022, at 11:56 AM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:

?Dave

Sounds like a great trip - I didn?t make the last tour with my other FOG buddies but when they went through the Rockies the #1 issue at altitude was the mechanical fuel pump cavitating due to ethanol gas we think. ?A couple guys on the trip hooked up temporary electric pumps and had no issue - no carb adjustments were made for any of them.

Randy
FOG37

Sent from my iPhone






On Dec 2, 2022, at 10:15 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

?Hi all,
This coming summer my wife and I are planning a fairly long trip in my TR4A ?leaving from Cincinnati, Ohio (altitude approximately 500?). Our first destination is going to be Colorado Springs, Co. to drive up Pikes Peak (altitude approximately 14,115?). Then north to Mt. Rushmore (altitude approximately 5,700?), then north to drive through Yellowstone national park (altitude approximately 9,200?). That?s going to be quite a swing in altitude and I am wondering if I will have to occasionally tune the SU HS-6 carbs? Has anyone on the list done a similar drive? If so, how did your Triumph run and what did you have to adjust?
Thanks in advance!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A-IRS
DavesTR4A.com

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From momulle at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 19:07:15 2022
From: momulle at yahoo.com (Michael Muller)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 21:07:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 204
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Johnmac,

I don?t post terribly often, but I read as much as I can as I rebuild my little TR4A. No need to apologize (to me, at least), rather please accept my thanks! I relish reading your stories and adventures. Thank you for sharing a bit about the origins of my little car!

Mike in Boston

> 
> Very few, if any of the Experimental Engineers made it into the public
> ?
>  Apologies for taking up space they may not interest most people.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonmac
> 


From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Fri Dec  9 08:14:13 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:14:13 -0000
Subject: [TR] "Shameless" plug
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I've been very touched by the recent messages that have come to me both on
and off list following my recent post about the late Ray Henderson. I'm
always happy to share stories if they're relevant and likely to be off
passing interest.

 

On that theme, this is just to give everyone a 'heads up' on a completely
new book that my publisher tells me will hit the bookstalls in the Spring of
2023 called "From Iron Cross to the Cross of Nails". It's a completely true
story about how the Jewish importer and his Jewish wife who were the
exclusive importers for Austria for Jaguar and Standard-Triumph from about
1928-1970 escaped the Holocaust. My late father features in it to a
considerable extent and I checked out a lot of other important detail when I
worked for the key character's business in Vienna in 1964. It also features
in the Talks Programme I give to many different types of clubs in the UK and
yesterday at the end of the talk, I was amazed to have a standing ovation
from the audience. I'll let the list know more about this new book, where it
can be bought, yadda yadda when my publisher acquaints me with the necessary
details.

 

With all that in view, and as we're now close-ish to Christmas, I've still
got a few copies left from the third print run of a book many of you have
kindly bought over the years called "In the Shadow of my Father - Life at
Triumph". It was self-published in the late 90's and my original estimate of
1,000 copies actually ran to a total print run of 8,000. Wow, I never
thought there were that many cars left or such a large number of interested
readers! Anyway, if anyone would like a copy (e.g. newer members of this
list), ordering and payment details appear below.

 

Book    GBP 15.00 (Paperback 212 pages)

P&P     GBP   8.50

TOTAL GBP 23.50

 

At an exchange rate of GBP1.00 equals US$1.50, the above figure translates
to US$35.25 but I'm happy to round that down to a straight 35 dollars. 

 

WAYS TO PAY

Previously, people sent me US$ cash wrapped in a copy of this email.  That
was because UK banks charged about 40% of the transaction value to convert
personal cheques and bank transfers into Sterling!!!!!!! I realise cash in
an envelope may seem a bit risky but with nearly 8,000 copies sold, we never
recorded someone's payment being stolen or a letter getting lost in transit.
If this option works for you, address your envelope with the email and cash
inside it to:

 

John Macartney

32 Avon Street

EVESHAM

Worcs WR11 4LQ

United Kingdom

 

I'll acknowledge receipt when I mail your book to you. Shipping to North
America via airmail is roughly five to seven days. That said, and according
to TV news today, Royal Mail have advised the nation they'll be on strike
for several days in the run-up to Christmas and overseas mail needs to be
'in the system' by 14th Dec latest, so time is a bit of the essence for
those who might want a copy.

 

Alternatively, you can pay using my wife's PayPal account. I don't have one
myself, never have had, nor do I know how it works but Liz tells me the
access you need is @LizMacartney and you make your payment in US$s.
Presumably PayPal then converts the proceeds into Pounds Sterling? If you do
choose to use PayPal, please let  me know via an email so we can go looking
for it to see if it's bobbed up at this end and I can get your book off to
you. Don't forget to let me have the address of where the book is to be
sent.

 

Sorry for the length of this post but a Happy Christmas to you all.

 

Jonmac

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Fri Dec  9 08:40:11 2022
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:40:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] "Shameless" plug
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Merry Christmas, John. I have a well-thumbed copy of your book in my library and I look forward to the next one.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2022, at 09:35, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:

?
I?ve been very touched by the recent messages that have come to me both on and off list following my recent post about the late Ray Henderson. I?m always happy to share stories if they?re relevant and likely to be off passing interest.

On that theme, this is just to give everyone a ?heads up? on a completely new book that my publisher tells me will hit the bookstalls in the Spring of 2023 called ?From Iron Cross to the Cross of Nails?. It?s a completely true story about how the Jewish importer and his Jewish wife who were the exclusive importers for Austria for Jaguar and Standard-Triumph from about 1928-1970 escaped the Holocaust. My late father features in it to a considerable extent and I checked out a lot of other important detail when I worked for the key character?s business in Vienna in 1964. It also features in the Talks Programme I give to many different types of clubs in the UK and yesterday at the end of the talk, I was amazed to have a standing ovation from the audience. I?ll let the list know more about this new book, where it can be bought, yadda yadda when my publisher acquaints me with the necessary details.

With all that in view, and as we?re now close-ish to Christmas, I?ve still got a few copies left from the third print run of a book many of you have kindly bought over the years called ?In the Shadow of my Father ? Life at Triumph?. It was self-published in the late 90?s and my original estimate of 1,000 copies actually ran to a total print run of 8,000. Wow, I never thought there were that many cars left or such a large number of interested readers! Anyway, if anyone would like a copy (e.g. newer members of this list), ordering and payment details appear below.

Book    GBP 15.00 (Paperback 212 pages)
P&P     GBP   8.50
TOTAL GBP 23.50

At an exchange rate of GBP1.00 equals US$1.50, the above figure translates to US$35.25 but I?m happy to round that down to a straight 35 dollars.

WAYS TO PAY
Previously, people sent me US$ cash wrapped in a copy of this email.  That was because UK banks charged about 40% of the transaction value to convert personal cheques and bank transfers into Sterling!!!!!!! I realise cash in an envelope may seem a bit risky but with nearly 8,000 copies sold, we never recorded someone?s payment being stolen or a letter getting lost in transit. If this option works for you, address your envelope with the email and cash inside it to:

John Macartney
32 Avon Street
EVESHAM
Worcs WR11 4LQ
United Kingdom

I?ll acknowledge receipt when I mail your book to you. Shipping to North America via airmail is roughly five to seven days. That said, and according to TV news today, Royal Mail have advised the nation they?ll be on strike for several days in the run-up to Christmas and overseas mail needs to be ?in the system? by 14th Dec latest, so time is a bit of the essence for those who might want a copy.

Alternatively, you can pay using my wife?s PayPal account. I don?t have one myself, never have had, nor do I know how it works but Liz tells me the access you need is @LizMacartney and you make your payment in US$s. Presumably PayPal then converts the proceeds into Pounds Sterling? If you do choose to use PayPal, please let  me know via an email so we can go looking for it to see if it?s bobbed up at this end and I can get your book off to you. Don?t forget to let me have the address of where the book is to be sent.

Sorry for the length of this post but a Happy Christmas to you all.

Jonmac
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Dec  9 18:14:35 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 01:14:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
Message-ID: <d7cb6ebab5204488afd67ccfae2b91d5@ranteer.com>

TR6 - The bottom of the carbs have gas on them; I can feel it when I run my fingers along the bottom.

Replaced all the bottom stuff a few years ago.  TR6 was driven from Dallas to Reno in April; no gas smell in daughter's garage in Reno.  Was driven in May and August in Reno (see Hot August Nights!) but no smell.  Was driven from Reno to Taos to Dallas; seems like that is when the problem started.

Any thoughts on where I should start?  Its probably either the seal in the float chamber or the seal on the very bottom?  If I put a mirror down there what am I looking for?

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Fri Dec  9 18:52:19 2022
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:52:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
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I had fuel leaking from the plastic plugs on the bottom of the carbs on the
GT6 MK lll that we used to own. The raw fuel would land right on top of the
starter. A call to Joe Curto resulted in a pair of replacement O-Rings
arriving in the mail. He mentioned that the rubber used in standard O-Rings
doesn't hold up well with today's gasoline. That solved the problem for us.

 

Alex Thomson

'73 TR6

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
northrup
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2022 8:15 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak

 

TR6 - The bottom of the carbs have gas on them; I can feel it when I run my
fingers along the bottom.

 

Replaced all the bottom stuff a few years ago.  TR6 was driven from Dallas
to Reno in April; no gas smell in daughter's garage in Reno.  Was driven in
May and August in Reno (see Hot August Nights!) but no smell.  Was driven
from Reno to Taos to Dallas; seems like that is when the problem started.

 

Any thoughts on where I should start?  Its probably either the seal in the
float chamber or the seal on the very bottom?  If I put a mirror down there
what am I looking for?

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Dec  9 20:44:22 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 03:44:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
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 It's been mentioned that the O-ring seal in the plug in the float bowl is likely the issue.? You didn't mention what year car yours is but the later cars have a snap-in plastic plug but the earlier cars have a brass screw-in plug.
Either way you can fit a float bowl from a TR7, TR8 or late model MGB which has no hole at all and will fix the issue permanently.? The screws are a different length so if you source these bowls be sure to get the screws, too.
 
Dave 

71 TR6 with TR8 float bowls that will never leak.

 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 9, 2022 7:14 pm
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Dec  9 21:24:09 2022
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:24:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
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even amazon carries a variety of real BUNA rubber, and / or viton 
o-rings that can handle the ethanol in gas these days.
Just measure and order.

ptegler

On 12/9/2022 8:52 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
>
> I had fuel leaking from the plastic plugs on the bottom of the carbs 
> on the GT6 MK lll that we used to own. The raw fuel would land right 
> on top of the starter. A call to Joe Curto resulted in a pair of 
> replacement O-Rings arriving in the mail. He mentioned that the rubber 
> used in standard O-Rings doesn?t hold up well with today?s gasoline. 
> That solved the problem for us.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> ?73 TR6
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *dave northrup
> *Sent:* Friday, December 09, 2022 8:15 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] ZS Carbs leak
>
> TR6 - The bottom of the carbs have gas on them; I can feel it when I 
> run my fingers along the bottom.
>
> Replaced all the bottom stuff a few years ago.? TR6 was driven from 
> Dallas to Reno in April; no gas smell in daughter?s garage in Reno.? 
> Was driven in May and August in Reno (see Hot August Nights!) but no 
> smell.? Was driven from Reno to Taos to Dallas; seems like that is 
> when the problem started.
>
> Any thoughts on where I should start?? Its probably either the seal in 
> the float chamber or the seal on the very bottom?? If I put a mirror 
> down there what am I looking for?
>
>
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From creig555 at live.com  Sat Dec 10 08:42:32 2022
From: creig555 at live.com (Creig Houghtaling)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 15:42:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
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Dave
Your leak is most likely from the plug at the bottom of your carburetor fuel reservoir. Or if it is an older car, you may have a jet adjuster protruding through the bottom of your reservoir. In either case the O-rings can degrade and begin leaking. Replacement O-rings can be bought online from any of the Triumph vendors. Or locally from almost any auto parts store. Just take the old O-ring in and match the size. They will have a box kit with all the sizes in it. Or. You can do like me and buy your own box kit and have a lifetime supply that you will never deplete.
Another issue is the plugs in the bottom of the reservoir are plastic and very old by now. There are spring clips that hold the plug from dropping out. Frequently one or more of the clip arms can crack causing the retainer clip to be ineffective in holding the the plug securely in place. The fresh O-ring will hold the plug in place for a time. But with vibration can slip down. If that's the case, push the plug back up into the reservoir and your leak will stop. Till it vibrates down again. Vendors used to sell new plugs. You may still be able to buy new plugs. But the solution I like best is to epoxy the plug into the reservoir with JB Weld. Fixed forever.  Never leak again! Later carburetors in TR7s finally eliminated the plugs with solid bottom reservoirs. In fact that's the solution I used for one TR6. I replaced the reservoirs with solid bottom TR7 reservoirs.
Good luck.
Creig



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-------- Original message --------
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Date: 12/9/22 7:32 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak

TR6 - The bottom of the carbs have gas on them; I can feel it when I run my fingers along the bottom.

Replaced all the bottom stuff a few years ago.  TR6 was driven from Dallas to Reno in April; no gas smell in daughter?s garage in Reno.  Was driven in May and August in Reno (see Hot August Nights!) but no smell.  Was driven from Reno to Taos to Dallas; seems like that is when the problem started.

Any thoughts on where I should start?  Its probably either the seal in the float chamber or the seal on the very bottom?  If I put a mirror down there what am I looking for?

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 10 10:07:05 2022
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 12:07:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
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Plus 2 on using TR7 stromberg fuel bowl bottoms.  They don?t have the plug and no more leak worries. And not many people want them so I have collected carbs over the years without much cost .  Jim

> On Dec 10, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Creig Houghtaling <creig555 at live.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dave 
> Your leak is most likely from the plug at the bottom of your carburetor fuel reservoir. Or if it is an older car, you may have a jet adjuster protruding through the bottom of your reservoir. In either case the O-rings can degrade and begin leaking. Replacement O-rings can be bought online from any of the Triumph vendors. Or locally from almost any auto parts store. Just take the old O-ring in and match the size. They will have a box kit with all the sizes in it. Or. You can do like me and buy your own box kit and have a lifetime supply that you will never deplete. 
> Another issue is the plugs in the bottom of the reservoir are plastic and very old by now. There are spring clips that hold the plug from dropping out. Frequently one or more of the clip arms can crack causing the retainer clip to be ineffective in holding the the plug securely in place. The fresh O-ring will hold the plug in place for a time. But with vibration can slip down. If that's the case, push the plug back up into the reservoir and your leak will stop. Till it vibrates down again. Vendors used to sell new plugs. You may still be able to buy new plugs. But the solution I like best is to epoxy the plug into the reservoir with JB Weld. Fixed forever.  Never leak again! Later carburetors in TR7s finally eliminated the plugs with solid bottom reservoirs. In fact that's the solution I used for one TR6. I replaced the reservoirs with solid bottom TR7 reservoirs. 
> Good luck. 
> Creig 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S9, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Date: 12/9/22 7:32 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] ZS Carbs leak
> 
> TR6 - The bottom of the carbs have gas on them; I can feel it when I run my fingers along the bottom.
>  
> Replaced all the bottom stuff a few years ago.  TR6 was driven from Dallas to Reno in April; no gas smell in daughter?s garage in Reno.  Was driven in May and August in Reno (see Hot August Nights!) but no smell.  Was driven from Reno to Taos to Dallas; seems like that is when the problem started.
>  
> Any thoughts on where I should start?  Its probably either the seal in the float chamber or the seal on the very bottom?  If I put a mirror down there what am I looking for?
>  
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Sat Dec 10 10:48:19 2022
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 12:48:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels and Jomac
Message-ID: <D2FC6C05-6D79-4589-AC30-D232164D4A72@comcast.net>

	I've finally eliminated the vibration on my TR6.  After a futile effort to find a shop that could properly balance my tires I plunked down $120.00 for some balancing cones from Moss Motors. I had my local tire shop use them to balance my wire wheels.  The result was wonderful.  The shimmy/vibration has been eliminated. Over the years I?ve been told by tire shops that their tire machines could balance wire wheels and there was no need to use special cones, and further, that to some extent some vibration was inevitable in wire wheels. Balancing my wheels was hit and miss and never quite right. The kit that moss advertises in their catalog glossy section is over $500.00 and of very high quality, and fits virtually any wire wheel, but if you look on their web site you can find the less expensive composite cones. 
	Also, a plug for Jonmac. John is one of the most eloquent writers I ever met. If you have any doubt, look and the quality of his contributions to this list and imagine putting those skills to telling a good story.  The results are superb. 
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 10 13:18:05 2022
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels and Jomac
In-Reply-To: <D2FC6C05-6D79-4589-AC30-D232164D4A72@comcast.net>
References: <D2FC6C05-6D79-4589-AC30-D232164D4A72@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <359548432.3911457.1670703485630@mail.yahoo.com>

 You can buy a Bubble Balancer for $60 @ Harbor Freight and do it yourself....
    On Saturday, December 10, 2022, 12:32:45 PM CST, Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 ??? I've finally eliminated the vibration on my TR6.? After a futile effort to find a shop that could properly balance my tires I plunked down $120.00 for some balancing cones from Moss Motors. I had my local tire shop use them to balance my wire wheels.? The result was wonderful.? The shimmy/vibration has been eliminated. Over the years I?ve been told by tire shops that their tire machines could balance wire wheels and there was no need to use special cones, and further, that to some extent some vibration was inevitable in wire wheels. Balancing my wheels was hit and miss and never quite right. The kit that moss advertises in their catalog glossy section is over $500.00 and of very high quality, and fits virtually any wire wheel, but if you look on their web site you can find the less expensive composite cones. 
??? Also, a plug for Jonmac. John is one of the most eloquent writers I ever met. If you have any doubt, look and the quality of his contributions to this list and imagine putting those skills to telling a good story.? The results are superb. 
??? Best,
??? Bob
??? ?72 TR6
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Sun Dec 11 14:45:16 2022
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 16:45:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels
Message-ID: <9F6B10D4-CA12-40FC-ADA4-9674F75A75FB@comcast.net>

I balanced my knockoff type alloy wheels on a bubble balancer and they have zero vibration. Just get the bubble PERFECTLY centered in the circle?..

For wire wheels, if they are out of true then they may well always have a vibration even when ?balanced?.

It seems as if truing wire wheels is a lost art.  Though it might be fun to learn how!

-Tony

> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  "6pack at autox.team.net"
>    <6pack at autox.team.net>,  Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels and Jomac
> Message-ID: <359548432.3911457.1670703485630 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> You can buy a Bubble Balancer for $60 @ Harbor Freight and do it yourself....
>    On Saturday, December 10, 2022, 12:32:45 PM CST, Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:  


From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Dec 11 16:24:27 2022
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:24:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
 switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
Message-ID: <128FA934-CED1-4F09-84BD-21B2B26D4D8E@fuse.net>

Hi All, 
Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
Anyone ever seen one?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

Sent from my IPhone 

From mcgaheyrx at aol.com  Sun Dec 11 17:10:45 2022
From: mcgaheyrx at aol.com (CAROLINE MCGAHEY)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 19:10:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels
In-Reply-To: <9F6B10D4-CA12-40FC-ADA4-9674F75A75FB@comcast.net>
References: <9F6B10D4-CA12-40FC-ADA4-9674F75A75FB@comcast.net>
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Truing wire wheels is NOT a lost art !
https://www.hendrixwirewheel.com/

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2022, at 6:52 PM, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I balanced my knockoff type alloy wheels on a bubble balancer and they have zero vibration. Just get the bubble PERFECTLY centered in the circle?..
> 
> For wire wheels, if they are out of true then they may well always have a vibration even when ?balanced?.
> 
> It seems as if truing wire wheels is a lost art.  Though it might be fun to learn how!
> 
> -Tony
> 
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  "6pack at autox.team.net"
>>   <6pack at autox.team.net>,  Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels and Jomac
>> Message-ID: <359548432.3911457.1670703485630 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> You can buy a Bubble Balancer for $60 @ Harbor Freight and do it yourself....
>>   On Saturday, December 10, 2022, 12:32:45 PM CST, Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:  
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Dec 11 18:39:54 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 01:39:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] Happy Holidays
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Dec 11 19:10:12 2022
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 21:10:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels
In-Reply-To: <9F6B10D4-CA12-40FC-ADA4-9674F75A75FB@comcast.net>
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...not hard...just tedious?? ;-)

ptegler


On 12/11/2022 4:45 PM, Anthony Rhodes wrote:
> I balanced my knockoff type alloy wheels on a bubble balancer and they have zero vibration. Just get the bubble PERFECTLY centered in the circle?..
>
> For wire wheels, if they are out of true then they may well always have a vibration even when ?balanced?.
>
> It seems as if truing wire wheels is a lost art.  Though it might be fun to learn how!
>
> -Tony
>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 20:18:05 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  "6pack at autox.team.net"
>>     <6pack at autox.team.net>,  Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Vibrating TR6 Wire Wheels and Jomac
>> Message-ID: <359548432.3911457.1670703485630 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> You can buy a Bubble Balancer for $60 @ Harbor Freight and do it yourself....
>>     On Saturday, December 10, 2022, 12:32:45 PM CST, Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Dec 12 06:08:20 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 13:08:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
 switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
In-Reply-To: <128FA934-CED1-4F09-84BD-21B2B26D4D8E@fuse.net>
References: <128FA934-CED1-4F09-84BD-21B2B26D4D8E@fuse.net>
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 A logic driven overdrive controller?? I'm not familiar with this product.? I designed one of my own for my J-type.? I think it is something all-together different, however.? But I am off topic.
You might try your local FLAPS.? I've seen a selection of switches, both lit and unlit, and you can select a style that appeals to you.? There is such a wide variety of switches that it helps to see an actual sample when making your selection.? I have a few pushbuttons with lights but I doubt you want those.? They are and inch high and three inches long.? A little bigger than your shift knob.

Spitfires have the OD switch in the shift knob but it is a slide switch.? But the location is not unprecedented.
 
Dave 


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 5:24 pm
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?

Hi All, 
Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
Anyone ever seen one?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Dec 12 06:08:26 2022
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 13:08:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
 switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
In-Reply-To: <128FA934-CED1-4F09-84BD-21B2B26D4D8E@fuse.net>
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I think this may be different, but Racetorations in the UK (disclaimer:  owned by my cousin but no financial interest) makes an overdrive harness which has a button on the gear shifter to engage, an LED light indicating when overdrive is on, and an autodisengagement function which ensures the gearbox comes out of overdrive every time one changes gear.

I have not previously used the LED function, but I have this time on a modified TR250 (LEDs for fan and overdrive where hazard switch used to be)

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

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Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2022 6:24 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?

Hi All, 
Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
Anyone ever seen one?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Dec 12 06:24:15 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
 switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
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 I may have mis-interpreted your request.? No I have not seen a Shift Knob with a lighted (lit?*) push-button.? You may need to modify a surplus knob.? Not too difficult with a drill press but an end-mill will be better.
Oh, and, by the way, the TR3 has? hollow shift lever just for such a device allowing the wires to be routed down the shaft.? This makes those shift levers particularly week and prone to breakage.? You may have to run your wires down the outside of your lever.? Some heat shrink tubing should make it cosmetically presentable.
 
Dave 
?* The adjective "lighted" indicates that there is a source of illumination included in the part and the adjective "lit"? means it is currently being illuminated.

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 5:24 pm
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?

Hi All, 
Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
Anyone ever seen one?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Dec 12 14:29:32 2022
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 21:29:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Interior Source
References: <1901367549.4512.1670880572949.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1901367549.4512.1670880572949@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Listers,
Let's go back about 25 years. ?There was a husband and wife out West who were restoring Triumphs. ?He did the restoring, and she made up the upholstery pieces.She also made up complete interior kits for other people and I was one.
Somewhere around 1995, I bought a new interior for my 1965 TR4A.Beautiful work, and in a tan color not available from other sources at the time.I now need to reach out to them, but?don't have their names anymore.
So my Q is: Does?anyone here remember these people, and do you have any contact info?OK, that's two Q's. ?I'd be beholden to anyone who might be able to help.TIA,George?Haynes
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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 12 17:20:19 2022
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 16:20:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 209
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Could you say where you got your controller? And its purpose?
Thanks
John

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> Subject: Re: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push
> button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
> I may have mis-interpreted your request.  No I have not seen a Shift Knob
> with a lighted (lit?*) push-button.  You may need to modify a surplus
> knob.  Not too difficult with a drill press but an end-mill will be better.
>
> Oh, and, by the way, the TR3 has  hollow shift lever just for such a
> device allowing the wires to be routed down the shaft.  This makes those
> shift levers particularly week and prone to breakage.  You may have to run
> your wires down the outside of your lever.  Some heat shrink tubing should
> make it cosmetically presentable.
>
> Dave
>  * The adjective "lighted" indicates that there is a source of
> illumination included in the part and the adjective "lit"  means it is
> currently being illuminated.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 5:24 pm
> Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
> switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
>
> Hi All,
> Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for
> the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on
> and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be
> nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
> Anyone ever seen one?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Dec 12 20:19:06 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 03:19:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 209
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 <CAJaD1DP4ohGKK5QfypQi3_M5uvnXXEcOGqBDm7hQhPcibPnLTA@mail.gmail.com>
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 To which Dave is this question addressed?
 
Dave 


 
 
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Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2022 6:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 209

Could you say where you got your controller? And its purpose? 
ThanksJohn

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Bcc:?
Date:?Mon, 12 Dec 2022 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject:?Re: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
 I may have mis-interpreted your request.? No I have not seen a Shift Knob with a lighted (lit?*) push-button.? You may need to modify a surplus knob.? Not too difficult with a drill press but an end-mill will be better.
Oh, and, by the way, the TR3 has? hollow shift lever just for such a device allowing the wires to be routed down the shaft.? This makes those shift levers particularly week and prone to breakage.? You may have to run your wires down the outside of your lever.? Some heat shrink tubing should make it cosmetically presentable.
 
Dave 
?* The adjective "lighted" indicates that there is a source of illumination included in the part and the adjective "lit"? means it is currently being illuminated.

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 5:24 pm
Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?

Hi All, 
Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
Anyone ever seen one?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 07:17:13 2022
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:17:13 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 209
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Ah, sorry.  I was asking Dave Connitt.
john

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>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Mon, Dec 12, 2022 6:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 15, Issue 209
>
> Could you say where you got your controller? And its purpose?
> Thanks
> John
>
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>
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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 13:24:15 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push
> button switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
> I may have mis-interpreted your request.  No I have not seen a Shift Knob
> with a lighted (lit?*) push-button.  You may need to modify a surplus
> knob.  Not too difficult with a drill press but an end-mill will be better.
>
> Oh, and, by the way, the TR3 has  hollow shift lever just for such a
> device allowing the wires to be routed down the shaft.  This makes those
> shift levers particularly week and prone to breakage.  You may have to run
> your wires down the outside of your lever.  Some heat shrink tubing should
> make it cosmetically presentable.
>
> Dave
>  * The adjective "lighted" indicates that there is a source of
> illumination included in the part and the adjective "lit"  means it is
> currently being illuminated.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2022 5:24 pm
> Subject: [TR] Sources for TR4A shift knobs with a momentary push button
> switch (preferably lighted) to control my overdrive?
>
> Hi All,
> Several months back I purchased a logic driven overdrive controller for
> the A-type overdrive in my TR4A. It needs a momentary switch to turn it on
> and off. The controller also has an LED indicator option so it would be
> nice if the switch had a built-in LED feature too.
> Anyone ever seen one?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 13:56:59 2022
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:56:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] What happened to my car?
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This is a picture of what's hanging under my 2012 Jaguar XF.? Was a part taken or is something just hanging?
Had a full engine replacement in August and had the brakes replaced in November.? Any connection or something new???
At least I can recognize parts on my TR3.? With these "new" cars, I'm lost.
Thanks for any advice,
Ann
1960 TR31965 Daimler V8 2.5L2012 Jaguar XF
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Dec 13 15:02:24 2022
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 16:02:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] What happened to my car?
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Looks like part of the exhaust heat shield.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:50 PM Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This is a picture of what's hanging under my 2012 Jaguar XF.  Was a part
> taken or is something just hanging?
>
> Had a full engine replacement in August and had the brakes replaced in
> November.  Any connection or something new?
>
> At least I can recognize parts on my TR3.  With these "new" cars, I'm lost.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Ann
>
> 1960 TR3
> 1965 Daimler V8 2.5L
> 2012 Jaguar XF
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 13 18:25:37 2022
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 01:25:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] What happened to my car?
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 Thank you, Don.
I think that's it.? Now, to get it repaired...Always something.
Ann
    On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 05:08:38 PM EST, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Looks like part of the exhaust?heat?shield.
On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:50 PM Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com> wrote:

This is a picture of what's hanging under my 2012 Jaguar XF.? Was a part taken or is something just hanging?
Had a full engine replacement in August and had the brakes replaced in November.? Any connection or something new???
At least I can recognize parts on my TR3.? With these "new" cars, I'm lost.
Thanks for any advice,
Ann
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From lherault at verizon.net  Tue Dec 13 20:32:14 2022
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L"Herault)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 22:32:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] What happened...
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If it's not making a lot of noise, you still have the catalytic converter.
My guess is that it is a heat shield and it has lost an attachment screw or
two.   

Ron L

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Today's Topics:

   1. What happened to my car? (Ann Carletta)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:56:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What happened to my car?
Message-ID: <1116736698.631348.1670965021895 at mail.yahoo.com>
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This is a picture of what's hanging under my 2012 Jaguar XF.? Was a part
taken or is something just hanging?
Had a full engine replacement in August and had the brakes replaced in
November.? Any connection or something new???
At least I can recognize parts on my TR3.? With these "new" cars, I'm lost.
Thanks for any advice,
A


From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 15 13:26:31 2022
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 20:26:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 3. What happened... (Ron L"Herault)
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References: <mailman.9.1671044403.8852.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 Thanks Ron,
Maybe they were trying for the catalytic converter and couldn't get it? It does seem to have some damage to the side.
I attempted at getting a better look from under the car (when it was on the ground), but it's quite low and I don't know that there's really anything more I would know from looking at it.
The help is much appreciated.
Ann

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 22:32:14 -0500
From: "Ron L\"Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What happened...
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If it's not making a lot of noise, you still have the catalytic converter.
My guess is that it is a heat shield and it has lost an attachment screw or
two.? 

Ron L


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Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 20:56:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What happened to my car?
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This is a picture of what's hanging under my 2012 Jaguar XF.? Was a part
taken or is something just hanging?
Had a full engine replacement in August and had the brakes replaced in
November.? Any connection or something new???
At least I can recognize parts on my TR3.? With these "new" cars, I'm lost.
Thanks for any advice,
A



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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Dec 19 14:08:03 2022
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 21:08:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Leather
References: <874182212.1108577.1671484083846.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <874182212.1108577.1671484083846@mail.yahoo.com>

Listers,
Many years ago I bought a tan leather interior for my TR4A from?a woman in the SLC area.Does anyone remember her? ?I think her husband restored TR3's.
Alternately, does anyone have a source for tan ?leather?Sadly, I let one seat get wet and?now?I need a 24' x 24" piece to make a repair.
I know this is a real long shot, but I'm running out of options.
TIA,George Haynes
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Mon Dec 19 15:27:04 2022
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2022 17:27:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Leather
In-Reply-To: <874182212.1108577.1671484083846@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <874182212.1108577.1671484083846.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <874182212.1108577.1671484083846@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0M1m9M-1osLsx0M5y-00thcf@mrelay.perfora.net>

Here?s one of the best places online for hides  https://www.leatherhidestore.com/

You?ll never get a match as your existing interior has probably discolored/faded over the years.

I always use these two examples when guys come to me to match their existing interior?. They usually want just door panels so I show them new and old Shadow Blue and Matador Red


Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: George Haynes
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2022 4:08 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Leather

Listers, 

Many years ago I bought a tan leather interior for my TR4A from?a woman in the SLC area. 
Does anyone remember her? ?I think her husband restored TR3's.

Alternately, does anyone have a source for tan ?leather?
Sadly, I let one seat get wet and?now?I need a 24' x 24" piece to make a repair.

I know this is a real long shot, but I'm running out of options.

TIA,
George Haynes

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri Dec 23 07:13:42 2022
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 08:13:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] Triumph-MG centenary event at Silverstone, June 2023
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDNXnOF=bsOZfuSekz7YzHYJJGYTdpz2HCX67gJWCjeeQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is probably being promoted through a number of the clubs over here,
but I got this announcement today from the TR Register (UK).
https://www.mgtriumph100.co.uk/

In case anyone is looking for a car-holiday in early summer --
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Dec 28 14:21:08 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 21:21:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
Message-ID: <5c4616d7a23b4ebe958e0ae1df263b5f@ranteer.com>

  1.  Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil.  It was on a cross country road trip this past year so I'm not surprised about the grit that has stuck to the oil.  I'm thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at a time, and put gasket sealant on it?
  2.  The solenoid is no longer disengaging.  Not worth messing with, right?  Just replace it?
  3.  Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel?  https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html

Looks like a good idea to me





Hope everyone had a great holiday!
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From alansalvy at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 14:58:27 2022
From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 16:58:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Looks like the 3 o-rings on the shift levers are leaking. They need to be
replaced.
Replace the solenoid if the problem isn't electrical.
The two piece did not fit over my A-type o/d, had to use the one piece.

Al

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:45 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

>
>    1. Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil.  It was on a
>    cross country road trip this past year so I?m not surprised about the grit
>    that has stuck to the oil.  I?m thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at
>    a time, and put gasket sealant on it?
>    2. The solenoid is no longer disengaging.  Not worth messing with,
>    right?  Just replace it?
>    3. Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel?
>    https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html
>
> Looks like a good idea to me
>
>
>
>
>
> Hope everyone had a great holiday!
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 15:18:35 2022
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 14:18:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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References: <5c4616d7a23b4ebe958e0ae1df263b5f@ranteer.com>
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On 12/28/22 1:21 PM, dave northrup wrote:
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> 1.
>
>
>  2. The solenoid is no longer disengaging.? Not worth messing with,
>     right? Just replace it?
>
If I recall correctly the rod that pushes the lever s separate from the 
cold part. Chances are the space that rods sits in is cruded up. 
Disassemble the rod from the coil part, clean it up and give it a try. 
May just need a good cleaning.

TeriAnn
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Dec 28 15:35:29 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:35:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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References: <5c4616d7a23b4ebe958e0ae1df263b5f@ranteer.com>
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1) I fought oil leaks for years and everything had no effect so I give up.? It is what it is.2) Is it the solenoid or is the actuating lever not moving freely?? Does it release if you unplug the wire?? What other trouble-shooting have you done?3) No idea.? If it works it looks like it will be a nice feature.
 
Dave 


 
 
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From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2022 3:21 pm
Subject: [TR] 3 questions

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   - Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil.? It was on a cross country road trip this past year so I?m not surprised about the grit that has stuck to the oil.? I?m thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at a time, and put gasket sealant on it?
   - The solenoid is no longer disengaging.? Not worth messing with, right?? Just replace it?
   - Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel??https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html
 Looks like a good idea to me  ?  ? Hope everyone had a great holiday!  ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Dec 28 15:52:27 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 22:52:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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I tried hooking up power directly to the solenoid, directly from the battery.  Of course it behaved exactly as it should.  Then I hooked it back up, car on but not running, and the OD started working as it should.  Not putting the interior back together yet!  Going to do some test driving first

Special thanks to Al for setting me straight on the point of leakage and suggesting the two piece might not fit my OD setup.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave northrup
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2022 3:21 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] 3 questions


  1.  Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil.  It was on a cross country road trip this past year so I'm not surprised about the grit that has stuck to the oil.  I'm thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at a time, and put gasket sealant on it?
  2.  The solenoid is no longer disengaging.  Not worth messing with, right?  Just replace it?
  3.  Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel?  https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html

Looks like a good idea to me





Hope everyone had a great holiday!
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Dec 28 16:25:35 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 23:25:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
Message-ID: <f9e4a62d914e41bdaa1bba4312b124f5@ranteer.com>

Does not work while driving.  Works just fine sitting still.   Not helpful!

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From staffel at comcast.net  Wed Dec 28 17:51:23 2022
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 19:51:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] 2 piece tranny tunnel
Message-ID: Ah8ypCkQqYhWRAh94pgITF.1672275107.60c1b0218876d7c42e1b054258ff6b65.MISSINGID@comcast.net

Interesting 'upgrade'- ?We all know the advantage of the polyetgyene material over the original cardboard.?Howecer, the post & LINK Reminded me of a couple of my early TR4 experiences during? 1968-1970. YUP-1968 & 1970: That involved the 'Transmission Tunnel'Jan 1968. Bought the TR4 (65) upon return from SE Asia. Now Hot Summer August 68 in Norman Oklahoma.? Was again? U of Oklahoma Sr. student but had internship at Griffin Memorial Hospital /Childrens Ward.Was? going cross town to pick up colleage for our 6:30 AM shift at 6AM after Very Heavy overnight ?? Thunderstorm. Now Norman streets have no Gutters. Sides of streets like an upside down V, so intersections always had pools of water. Never been on these streets b4 after a rain.We wore Hospital whites to work. So 86^ish, TR4 top down, wearing white jeans & white shirt. Drove thru? flooded 4 way intersection slow but water turned out to be 'quite deep'- way deeper than ever expected -? flooding car and water coming thru doors & quickly covered my 'seated self'..Opened jack plugs ( to facilitate draining) took colleague work & returned home to change.?After work pulled seats, carpets, and transmission cover to 'Dry Out'..? The cardboard tranny cover never quite fit right or fully sealed properly again. Had to add tire tube strips & oversized washers to resecure the warped original tunnel.2nd incident- 1970- was teaching? ?'friend to drive'.? After poor shift, bucking, tranny did feel right. Pulled tunnel to pull transmission.? Found broken secondary shaft, but point is had to pull tunnel.?Now to get to the point of the my post: I also upgraded to a polyethylene cover when I restored my TR4 98-2000; but unless my original was fully 'shot' and needed a new cover & the 2 piece option was a 'minimal cost' upgrade, the additional time to remove the full cover- which allows full examination of the complete transmission & bellowing, I really don't see that the so called 'advantages' are 'that big a deal for us 'TR Hobbiests'.Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD?65 TR4 CT50054L?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Dec 28 18:23:24 2022
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 20:23:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Could be the adjustment of the solenoid. Or trash in the valve moved by the
solenoid.

Dean Tetterton


On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 7:52 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Does not work while driving.  Works just fine sitting still.   Not
> helpful!
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Dec 28 20:09:17 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 03:09:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
In-Reply-To: <f9e4a62d914e41bdaa1bba4312b124f5@ranteer.com>
References: <f9e4a62d914e41bdaa1bba4312b124f5@ranteer.com>
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 It could be that the Pull-in coil is not working.? With the car sitting still and no accumulator pressure less force is required to move the lever.? Under way the solenoid needs to overcome the built-up pressure.
As you may know the A-type solenoid has two coils.? The high current Pull-in coil will pull the solenoid in with extra force and once it pulls all the way in a switch will deactivate it and the low current Hold-In  coil will keep it there.? The Hold-In may have enough force to pull the actuator lever if there is no pressure resisting it.
Also note that if the solenoid is not adjusted properly and does not pull in far enough to hit the switch the Pull-In coil will remain energized and will burn out.? This could be the problem.
 
Dave 


 
 
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Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2022 5:25 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] 3 questions

 Does not work while driving.? Works just fine sitting still.? ?Not helpful!
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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Thu Dec 29 09:13:38 2022
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 16:13:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Interior Source
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References: <1901367549.4512.1670880572949@mail.yahoo.com>
 <31a573c1-d0bf-8bec-b64f-78cb8a7546dd@bradakis.com>
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Thanks, Bill!

At least my questionable memory got it right this time!But if the couple I'm seeking died, that lead for leather goes nowhere!And thanks to others who offered suggestions for leather sources!
George

George I can?t remember their names off hand - I think his first name was Larry. They lived off of 700 East about 800 South or so. They restored cars. He died a few years back of cancer. I think she passed on a couple of years later but not sure about that part.? ? ? ? I?m sure collectively the club can come up with their names.Bill

On Dec 29, 2022, at 12:03 AM, Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
In an earlier message to me he said they were from the Salt Lake area.? Anyone know such a couple?? I do remember a fellow down in Utah county that had a powder blue TR3 that was working on cars about that time, don't remember his wife doing interiors.mjb.
  

 
 Dear Listers, 
  Let's go back about 25 years. ? There was a husband and wife out West who were restoring Triumphs. ? He did the restoring, and she made up the upholstery pieces. She also made up complete interior kits for other people and I was one. 
  Somewhere around 1995, I bought a new interior for my 1965 TR4A. Beautiful work, and in a tan color not available from other sources at the time. I now need to reach out to them, but?don't have their names anymore. 
  So my Q is: Does?anyone here remember these people, and do you have any contact info? OK, that's two Q's. ?I'd be beholden to anyone who might be able to help.  TIA, George?Haynes   
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Dec 29 12:29:14 2022
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 14:29:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Good to know Al. Even though I have the ABS in several of the cars, I liked the idea of the two piece for work that only required access to the rear portion ? oil seal, OD, prop shaft, etc. Thanks.

 

Keith

 

From: alan salvatore <alansalvy at gmail.com> 
Sent: December 28, 2022 4:58 PM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 3 questions

 

Looks like the 3 o-rings on the shift levers are leaking. They need to be replaced.

Replace the solenoid if the problem isn't electrical.

The two piece did not fit over my A-type o/d, had to use the one piece.

 

Al

 

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:45 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

1.	Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil.  It was on a cross country road trip this past year so I?m not surprised about the grit that has stuck to the oil.  I?m thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at a time, and put gasket sealant on it?
2.	The solenoid is no longer disengaging.  Not worth messing with, right?  Just replace it?
3.	Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel?  https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html

Looks like a good idea to me

 

 

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Dec 29 14:38:19 2022
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2022 15:38:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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The two piece tunnel is listed for the TR-4.? My recollection is that 
there is a slight difference between the TR-3 and TR-4 transmission 
tunnels - one is "taller" than the other I think.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 12/29/2022 1:29 PM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:
>
> Good to know Al. Even though I have the ABS in several of the cars, I 
> liked the idea of the two piece for work that only required access to 
> the rear portion ? oil seal, OD, prop shaft, etc. Thanks.
>
> Keith
>
> *From:*alan salvatore <alansalvy at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* December 28, 2022 4:58 PM
> *To:* dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] 3 questions
>
> Looks like the 3 o-rings on the shift levers are leaking. They need to 
> be replaced.
>
> Replace the solenoid if the problem isn't?electrical.
>
> The two piece did not fit over my A-type o/d, had to use the one piece.
>
> Al
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 4:45 PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>      1. Looks to me like this thing leaks quite a bit of oil. It was
>         on a cross country road trip this past year so I?m not
>         surprised about the grit that has stuck to the oil.? I?m
>         thinking I should loosen each bolt, one at a time, and put
>         gasket sealant on it?
>      2. The solenoid is no longer disengaging.? Not worth messing
>         with, right?? Just replace it?
>      3. Has anyone installed the 2 piece transmission tunnel?
>         https://bpnorthwest.com/transmission-tunnel-two-piece-tr4-to-tr6.html
>
>     Looks like a good idea to me
>
>     Hope everyone had a great holiday!
>
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 30 17:36:52 2022
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 00:36:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 tunnel
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Listers,

There is large difference with TR3/4 trans tunnel.
Will not fit one to the other.

CHEERS
John

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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Dec 31 05:57:21 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 12:57:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?

Jonmac

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Dec 31 07:00:57 2022
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:00:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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 Great story, John, as usual.
Sometimes we forget about what technologies were not yet available.? Back in those days plastics were not as prevalent and were rather expensive.? The alternative to this process was to stamp steel.? In fact the TR3 tunnel was steel and it was the switch-over to the TR4 where this fibre-based process was introduced (at least to the TR line).? Sure, they could have used glass-fibre but the set-up time is more along the lines of an hour rather than 30 seconds.
These days vaccu-formed thermoplastic parts are cheap, resilient, water-resistant, long-lasting  and don't smell of fish.? I'm sure B-L would have loved it had it been available at the time.

Happy Hagmany
 
Dave 


 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2022 6:57 am
Subject: [TR] 3 questions


I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?

Jonmac

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 07:25:58 2022
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:25:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Love that story John!  I just removed my original 67 TR4A fibreboard tranny tunnel cover and will keep it in storage as one of my TR museum pieces.  I put in a plastic cover that didn?t fit as well but is installed.  I did put the original overdrive cover plates on the plastic cover just like the original.  
Happy New Year
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
67 4A
75 6
81 8

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 8:11 AM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
> 
> Jonmac
> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 08:49:41 2022
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 09:49:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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John, what another useful recollection!

So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- sort of a manual
version of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especially egg
cartons).

It's not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an
alternative to isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).  Seems even
in those days that would have been about a week's work given the material
choices available (casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic
latex/SBR/PVaC/acrylic, polyvinyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen
more.  If they'd come to my lab -- even in the late 1970s, when I was
starting in polymer science and technology, this woulda been a doddle.

But then, for Prestfibre to be using that process at all indicates that
they weren't a leading-edge-of-change group.

Keep those stories coming.  And Happy New Year!

-- Don

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

>
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company
> called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald
> and TR being made.
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made
> of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape
> former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort
> of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile
> alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw
> fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately
> the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the
> cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an
> alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves
> no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items
> were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering
> alternatives?
>
> Jonmac
>
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Dec 31 09:11:54 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 16:11:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Hi, Don,

I agree that it wouldnt take a number ten size hat to find an alternative glue, even that long ago. What you?ve overlooked is the wildcard aka The Purchase Department and its ?procedures?. It was purchasing who were eventually identified as the culprits for screwing up Stag by specifying unsuitable aluminium for the cylinder heads, specifying an unsuitable water pump and then specifying an unsuitable radiator - all on the grounds of unit cost. Those who ran that department would have made first class ice hockey players as they passed the buck so quickly, no-one knew where it was hidden. Against that background, two years to find and specify an alternative glue was pretty quick! 
Going back to Stag and it?s faults, those responsible were allegedly sacked, but curiously two or three key players wound up in the Purchase Dept at BL Austin Morris where they had the latitude and even more scope for screwing things up in the volume car division of which MG was an integral part, while others joined Ford Europe! How did they get there without being sussed? No idea, but they probably drank in the same pub and a lot of BL people were Freemasons as well, so anything could happen and in my experience, often did.

Jonmac

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> On 31 Dec 2022, at 15:49, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John, what another useful recollection!
> 
> So the process was indeed what it always looked like -- sort of a manual version of the molded pulp pieces used in packaging (especially egg cartons).  
> 
> It's not at all obvious why it took them two years to find an alternative to isinglass (glue made from fish swim bladders).  Seems even in those days that would have been about a week's work given the material choices available (casein/milk protein, soya protein, synthetic latex/SBR/PVaC/acrylic, polyvinyl alcohol/PVOH, and probably a half dozen more.  If they'd come to my lab -- even in the late 1970s, when I was starting in polymer science and technology, this woulda been a doddle.
> 
> But then, for Prestfibre to be using that process at all indicates that they weren't a leading-edge-of-change group.
> 
> Keep those stories coming.  And Happy New Year!
> 
> -- Don
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 7:08 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
>> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
>> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 09:19:49 2022
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 11:19:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Am I the only one who has an original fibreboard tunnel which is
perfectly serviceable?  (In fact, I have two - 75 TR6 and 76
Spitfire.)

Several years ago, I bought a plastic tunnel for a Big Name company.
Had a friend over to help me put the transmission back in.  He sat
there for 45 minutes, drinking my beer and watching me try to fit that
plastic b*st*rd in, before pointing out that he's never seen a
cardboard cover in better shape,and why didnt' I just use that?  Which
was a perfectly reasonable question, for which I had no reasonable
answer.

I have since formed some reinforcing strips out of stainless steel for
the corners and softer spots.  Still works fine after 47 years.
Anyone want a plastic TR6 tunnel cover?  It could be had cheaply...

-- Jeff

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 8:11 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made.
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
>
> Jonmac
>
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Dec 31 12:47:07 2022
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 14:47:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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That's why I glued some sardines on the underside of my ABS covers - to maintain the authentic odour. ? Happy New Year to all the great "wisdom retainers" on this list. All the best in 2023. Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



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From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
Sent: December 31, 2022 7:57 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] 3 questions


I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?

Jonmac

Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb



From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Dec 31 15:08:54 2022
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:08:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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I have a friend who is the original owner of a 74, and another friend who inherited a TR6 from her uncle, who bought it new.  Both have cardboard.  And I had a TR4 where the original owner, or maybe the second owner (I was the 3rd) who fiberglassed the original cardboard.

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2022 10:20 AM
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 3 questions

Am I the only one who has an original fibreboard tunnel which is perfectly serviceable?  (In fact, I have two - 75 TR6 and 76
Spitfire.)

Several years ago, I bought a plastic tunnel for a Big Name company.
Had a friend over to help me put the transmission back in.  He sat there for 45 minutes, drinking my beer and watching me try to fit that plastic b*st*rd in, before pointing out that he's never seen a cardboard cover in better shape,and why didnt' I just use that?  Which was a perfectly reasonable question, for which I had no reasonable answer.

I have since formed some reinforcing strips out of stainless steel for the corners and softer spots.  Still works fine after 47 years.
Anyone want a plastic TR6 tunnel cover?  It could be had cheaply...

-- Jeff

On Sat, Dec 31, 2022 at 8:11 AM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>
>
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made.
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
>
> Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Sat Dec 31 15:21:36 2022
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 22:21:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Keith Stewart wrote:
. Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.

Agreed on that. I don?t own any Triumphs now but I will be making a respectful trip to www.mallory.co.uk in my Swedish beast.

I think I can afford just one little celebratory drink in the bar because Mallory Court is Sir John?s former home and now a frighteningly expensive prestige hotel. If anyone thinks a visit might be worth it on a future UK trip. Put your clothes in your wallet and stuff your suitcase with cash. You?ll need all the cash if you decide to eat and overnight there!

Jonmac
> 
> 
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
> Sent: December 31, 2022 7:57 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] 3 questions
> 
> 
> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb
> 
> 


From ryel at mac.com  Sat Dec 31 16:03:29 2022
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 15:03:29 -0800
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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? Drive Your Triumph Day, Feb 10th.

Rye
DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com



> On Dec 31, 2022, at 2:21 PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Keith Stewart wrote:
> . Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.
> 
> Agreed on that. I don?t own any Triumphs now but I will be making a respectful trip to www.mallory.co.uk in my Swedish beast.
> 
> I think I can afford just one little celebratory drink in the bar because Mallory Court is Sir John?s former home and now a frighteningly expensive prestige hotel. If anyone thinks a visit might be worth it on a future UK trip. Put your clothes in your wallet and stuff your suitcase with cash. You?ll need all the cash if you decide to eat and overnight there!
> 
> Jonmac
>> 
>> 
>> Keith Stewart
>> keithstewart at bell.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
>> Sent: December 31, 2022 7:57 AM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] 3 questions
>> 
>> 
>> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
>> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
>> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>> Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb
>> 
>> 
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 16:45:23 2022
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2022 18:45:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] 3 questions
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Wow!  Sign me up for that place!
Jim

> On Dec 31, 2022, at 5:51 PM, John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Keith Stewart wrote:
> . Don't forget to get your TRs out for a drive on Sir John Black's birthday.
> 
> Agreed on that. I don?t own any Triumphs now but I will be making a respectful trip to www.mallory.co.uk in my Swedish beast.
> 
> I think I can afford just one little celebratory drink in the bar because Mallory Court is Sir John?s former home and now a frighteningly expensive prestige hotel. If anyone thinks a visit might be worth it on a future UK trip. Put your clothes in your wallet and stuff your suitcase with cash. You?ll need all the cash if you decide to eat and overnight there!
> 
> Jonmac
>> 
>> 
>> Keith Stewart
>> keithstewart at bell.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> 
>> Sent: December 31, 2022 7:57 AM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] 3 questions
>> 
>> 
>> I have very vivid memories at age 16 of going with my Dad to a UK company called Prestfibre and watching the tunnels and instrument panels for Herald and TR being made. 
>> The solution of mashed paper, cardboard was spread over a male former made of perforated zinc and then the ?goop? was covered by another inside shape former to which pressure and heat was applied. Thirty seconds later a sort of tunnel or panel was pulled off the inner former and placed in a pile alongside to cool. What stands out most in my memory was the stink of raw fish as fish glue formed a large part of the ?goop? mixture. Unfortunately the fish odour lingered around each assembly for many months and made the cars in which they were later fitted to stink of fish as well!
>> It took a very long time - at least two years - for Prestfibre to find an alternative glue whi ch didn?t stink of fish and while the cars themselves no longer smelled of fish, the durability of those ?goop? fabricated items were by no means as long lasting. I guess that?s why y?all are considering alternatives?
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>> Sent from a piece of electronic papyrus I found in King Tut?s tomb
>> 
>> 
> 
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