From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Feb  1 06:41:49 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:41:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Yellows
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Listers:

 

How similar was the Primrose yellow used in the TR3 to the Jasmine used in
the TR250 and 6?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Feb  1 09:57:09 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:57:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Yellows
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I had difficulty in finding a modern code that matched the original Pale Yellow/Primrose paint code for my TR3A.  I found that the '68 Jasmine code could be matched to a modern mix code.  It looked to be the exact same color.  I also had a panel with good original color for a computer read.  That read came up with the modern 2 stage equivalent to a Volkswagen Beetle convertible color, I think from the early 2000s, named Mellow Yellow.  It was only available on the convertibles for a few years.  When I would see one of those going down the road, even before I got the computer read, it sure looked like Primrose.  So, I wasn't too surprised that the computer provided that color read.  
For the Jasmine mix, I lightened it a little to make it look more pale.  I could get you that mix if you'd like.  I used Dupont Centary single stage.  
Dave H. 

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>     How similar was the Primrose yellow used in the TR3 to the Jasmine used in the TR250 and 6?
> 
>     Andrew Uprichard
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Feb  1 10:10:02 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:10:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Yellows
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Thanks, Dave:  I have a gallon of Primrose for a TR3 which ended up BRG.  But now I am looking at a 250 whose original color was Jasmin.  Wondering if I can use the Primrose.  Not that I am a stickler for originality, but I?d like to be close and it sounds as if the two are fairly similar.


Andrew

 

From: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> 
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:57 AM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Yellows

 

I had difficulty in finding a modern code that matched the original Pale Yellow/Primrose paint code for my TR3A.  I found that the '68 Jasmine code could be matched to a modern mix code.  It looked to be the exact same color.  I also had a panel with good original color for a computer read.  That read came up with the modern 2 stage equivalent to a Volkswagen Beetle convertible color, I think from the early 2000s, named Mellow Yellow.  It was only available on the convertibles for a few years.  When I would see one of those going down the road, even before I got the computer read, it sure looked like Primrose.  So, I wasn't too surprised that the computer provided that color read.   

For the Jasmine mix, I lightened it a little to make it look more pale.  I could get you that mix if you'd like.  I used Dupont Centary single stage.   

Dave H.  

On 02/01/2021 5:41 AM auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>  wrote: 

  

  

Listers:

 

How similar was the Primrose yellow used in the TR3 to the Jasmine used in the TR250 and 6?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 11:16:07 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 10:16:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] differentials used on Triumphs
Message-ID: <CANLCLaG4famTmcPT-2qOv6LHsDGBYxem0Xrr=n876nUyDEMY5A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Stag but the differential is from another Triumph. I'm aware
people do put TR6 diffs on the Stags. One of the bolt holes in the Stag's
back plate does not line up with one hole in the TR6 diff.
I'm not in my garage but the no. stamped on the diff I think starts with CG
does this ring a bell? Stag's diffs start with LD.

Also another question, is the TR6  diff shared with other Triumphs, like
the TR4 etc. or should I say the diff case, as I'm assuming diff ratios may
be different.

Regards, Sujit

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From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 12:12:10 2021
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (david hammond)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 11:12:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Stag fuse box
Message-ID: <09FB875B-6028-4377-812A-CD5113D5766F@gmail.com>


Has anyone out there changed the fuse holder on a stag? How much of a job is it?
David in oregon


From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Feb  1 12:36:49 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:36:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] differentials used on Triumphs
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG4famTmcPT-2qOv6LHsDGBYxem0Xrr=n876nUyDEMY5A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <52C616B0-EE0C-45EE-A7B9-5E441E37ABED@Ukpips.org.uk>

The diffs on Stag, TR and the big six Triumph saloon all had a splash of different coloured paint on them. Not in any particular place on the housing and the colours and colour combos told the production workers the model and whether manual, manual/overdrive or automatic gearbox. I?ve got the colour codes somewhere for the Big Six saloon but not TR or Stag. They all looked the same but there were some detail differences that meant they weren?t necessarily interchangeable as complete units across different models.

Jonmac

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> On 1 Feb 2021, at 18:16, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a Stag but the differential is from another Triumph. I'm aware people do put TR6 diffs on the Stags. One of the bolt holes in the Stag's back plate does not line up with one hole in the TR6 diff. 
> I'm not in my garage but the no. stamped on the diff I think starts with CG does this ring a bell? Stag's diffs start with LD.
> 
> Also another question, is the TR6  diff shared with other Triumphs, like the TR4 etc. or should I say the diff case, as I'm assuming diff ratios may be different.
> 
> Regards, Sujit
> 
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Feb  1 19:12:02 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 18:12:02 -0800
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGqbJHG8SQgL+xOk3Zu_dx3MQjL4fuTjj2+yUrPWcUGig@mail.gmail.com>

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to
have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

I have  a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.

Regards, Sujit

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Feb  2 07:37:19 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 08:37:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
 USA?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGqbJHG8SQgL+xOk3Zu_dx3MQjL4fuTjj2+yUrPWcUGig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGqbJHG8SQgL+xOk3Zu_dx3MQjL4fuTjj2+yUrPWcUGig@mail.gmail.com>
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Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.  For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45 limited slip diff.  www.goodparts.com <http://www.goodparts.com>  has all the info and goodies.  The stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.  

 

10 years ago?  I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.  California will obviously be more.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have  a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 09:17:20 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:17:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
 USA?
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I spent about a grand in getting my Nissan diff in.  It is so much quieter,
and the limited slip is a bonus if you like to go fast around corners.  It
would have been more, but I got the diff at a u pull it yard for well under
$100 from an infinity Q45.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:48 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.
> For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45
> limited slip diff.  www.goodparts.com has all the info and goodies.  The
> stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.
>
>
>
> 10 years ago?  I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.  California
> will obviously be more.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have  a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Tue Feb  2 10:18:01 2021
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:18:01 -0800
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
 USA?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGqbJHG8SQgL+xOk3Zu_dx3MQjL4fuTjj2+yUrPWcUGig@mail.gmail.com>
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Sujit,

 

Any competent driveline shop can work on these.  I have been taking LBC differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.  

 

There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.

 

Jonas

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have  a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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Cupertino, California


https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 10:57:19 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:57:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
 USA?
In-Reply-To: <000001d6f987$5e4c7ae0$1ae570a0$@cox.net>
References: <CANLCLaGqbJHG8SQgL+xOk3Zu_dx3MQjL4fuTjj2+yUrPWcUGig@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d6f987$5e4c7ae0$1ae570a0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE-EAZqb8xQvWzPrrVzLRW-GNdBcPbh5K1VAPqB5_F5GA@mail.gmail.com>

I live in Silicon Valley and sadly with the cost of  real estate all the
shops here are shutting shop. The Nissan option seems interesting, but some
modification will have to be done as the Stag has a different mount at the
front.  Folks in the UK do a BMW diff swap on the Stag.
I'll most likely stick with my Stag dif.
Sujit

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:18 AM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:

> Sujit,
>
>
>
> Any competent driveline shop can work on these.  I have been taking LBC
> differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s
> Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.
>
>
>
> There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.
>
>
>
> Jonas
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have  a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>


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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  2 13:04:24 2021
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:04:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30
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If I need to rebuild a TR drivetrain part call John Esposito of Quantum Mechanics, Joe Mato917 232 1555 

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Subject: [TR] Stag fuse box
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Has anyone out there changed the fuse holder on a stag? How much of a job is it?
David in oregon



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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:36:49 +0000
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] differentials used on Triumphs
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The diffs on Stag, TR and the big six Triumph saloon all had a splash of different coloured paint on them. Not in any particular place on the housing and the colours and colour combos told the production workers the model and whether manual, manual/overdrive or automatic gearbox. I?ve got the colour codes somewhere for the Big Six saloon but not TR or Stag. They all looked the same but there were some detail differences that meant they weren?t necessarily interchangeable as complete units across different models.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 1 Feb 2021, at 18:16, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a Stag but the differential is from another Triumph. I'm aware people do put TR6 diffs on the Stags. One of the bolt holes in the Stag's back plate does not line up with one hole in the TR6 diff. 
> I'm not in my garage but the no. stamped on the diff I think starts with CG does this ring a bell? Stag's diffs start with LD.
> 
> Also another question, is the TR6? diff shared with other Triumphs, like the TR4 etc. or should I say the diff case, as I'm assuming diff ratios may be different.
> 
> Regards, Sujit
> 
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
> 
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> 
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WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to
have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.

Regards, Sujit

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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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To: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
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Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.? For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45 limited slip diff.? www.goodparts.com <http://www.goodparts.com>? has all the info and goodies.? The stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.? 

 

10 years ago?? I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.? California will obviously be more.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:17:20 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
??? here in USA?
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I spent about a grand in getting my Nissan diff in.? It is so much quieter,
and the limited slip is a bonus if you like to go fast around corners.? It
would have been more, but I got the diff at a u pull it yard for well under
$100 from an infinity Q45.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:48 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.
> For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45
> limited slip diff.? www.goodparts.com has all the info and goodies.? The
> stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.
>
>
>
> 10 years ago?? I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.? California
> will obviously be more.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:18:01 -0800
From: <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>, "'Triumphs'"
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Sujit,

 

Any competent driveline shop can work on these.? I have been taking LBC differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.? 

 

There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.

 

Jonas

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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Cupertino, California


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From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
??? here in USA?
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I live in Silicon Valley and sadly with the cost of? real estate all the
shops here are shutting shop. The Nissan option seems interesting, but some
modification will have to be done as the Stag has a different mount at the
front.? Folks in the UK do a BMW diff swap on the Stag.
I'll most likely stick with my Stag dif.
Sujit

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:18 AM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:

> Sujit,
>
>
>
> Any competent driveline shop can work on these.? I have been taking LBC
> differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s
> Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.
>
>
>
> There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.
>
>
>
> Jonas
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>


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From HDRider570 at att.net  Tue Feb  2 13:36:45 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:36:45 -0800
Subject: [TR] ref:  Stag fuse box
References: <9757c12a-9c1e-640d-00f1-81f669c710b8.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <9757c12a-9c1e-640d-00f1-81f669c710b8@att.net>

I replaced mine years ago.? Not that difficult but you do have to work 
under the dash and I think that the glove box liner has to come out.? If 
you are installing a used one make sure that you tighten the rivets that 
hold the use holders in place.? Over the years the plastic shrinks which 
causes then to be loose which makes for intermittent electrical connections.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  2 17:29:06 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:29:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>

List:
Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.  I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.  It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.  Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)  
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8 


From greg at gregoryd.com  Wed Feb  3 09:05:49 2021
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg Donovan)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:05:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
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References: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C@gregoryd.com>

Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.

If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.

?Greg

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> List:
> Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.  I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.  It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.  Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)  
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8 
> 
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From billyb62 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 09:52:56 2021
From: billyb62 at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:52:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C@gregoryd.com>
References: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
 <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <CAKQUVBKUU22+QgpNYYpi-bMLYLvQw7KUQEU8VYQ=7cR4zpak0A@mail.gmail.com>

I got one with in pretty good shape except for a small crack on the left
hand side.  Email me if interested.  I tried to take pics, let me know if
they don?t show what you want to see.

Bill
TR3A - TS63273L

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:07 AM Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

> Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.
>
> If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel
> available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.
>
> ?Greg
>
> > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > List:
> > Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original
> banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.  I am working on
> refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original
> condition.  It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years
> ago.  Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is
> not allowed to ever sell it ?)
> > Thanks
> > Jim Henningsen
> > Ocala, FL
> > 61 3A
> > 62 4
> > 67 4A
> > 75 6
> > 81 8
> >
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Feb  3 11:11:45 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:11:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C@gregoryd.com>
References: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
 <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <04adfe89-6e3c-ca4c-195a-35866b5286f2@adelphia.net>

OK,

I just checked and I have 2 4 steering wheels. One is cracked some what 
and the other one is much better. If these fit both 4 and 4a let me 
know. I can post photos.

The cracked one could be fixed with epoxy filler and then covered with a 
leather wheel skin. I have the wheel skins on my 3 and 4 and love them.

Email me Jim and Greg. I figure Jim gets first dibs. Cost would be 
shipping + 2$ for a beer at my local American Legion!

Email is: yellowtr at adelphia.net

Bob in Central NY.

On 2/3/21 11:05 AM, Greg Donovan wrote:
> Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.
>
> If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.
>
> ?Greg
>
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> List:
>> Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.  I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.  It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.  Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)
>> Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 61 3A
>> 62 4
>> 67 4A
>> 75 6
>> 81 8
>>
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Wed Feb  3 13:17:06 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:17:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
In-Reply-To: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
References: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <52FE8BE3-2695-4293-85F9-ECCA74A7E263@gmail.com>

It it is a vintage steering wheel, for example a Les Leston, you might want to rethink replacing it. 

Allen 

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?List:
> Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.  I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.  It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.  Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)  
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8 
> 
> 

From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  3 14:06:17 2021
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 21:06:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 31
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1612378801.19738.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1612378801.19738.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1228048876.844161.1612386377626@mail.yahoo.com>

You can probably buy a used one from the British Auto Salvage in Walworth, NY near Rochester. Joe Mato 

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? 1. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30 (JOSEPH MATO)
? 2. ref:? Stag fuse box (Q)
? 3. TR4 4A Steering Wheel (Jim Henningsen)
? 4. Re: TR4 4A Steering Wheel (Greg Donovan)
? 5. Re: TR4 4A Steering Wheel (Bill Hall)
? 6. Re: TR4 4A Steering Wheel (Bob)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 20:04:24 +0000 (UTC)
From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 30
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If I need to rebuild a TR drivetrain part call John Esposito of Quantum Mechanics, Joe Mato917 232 1555 

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? 2. Re: differentials used on Triumphs (John Macartney)
? 3. What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
? ? ? USA? (Sujit Roy)
? 4. Re: What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
? ? ? USA? (dave)
? 5. Re: What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
? ? ? USA? (Greg Lemon)
? 6. Re: What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
? ? ? USA? (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
? 7. Re: What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
? ? ? USA? (Sujit Roy)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 11:12:10 -0800
From: david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Stag fuse box
Message-ID: <09FB875B-6028-4377-812A-CD5113D5766F at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


Has anyone out there changed the fuse holder on a stag? How much of a job is it?
David in oregon



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:36:49 +0000
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] differentials used on Triumphs
Message-ID: <52C616B0-EE0C-45EE-A7B9-5E441E37ABED at Ukpips.org.uk>
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The diffs on Stag, TR and the big six Triumph saloon all had a splash of different coloured paint on them. Not in any particular place on the housing and the colours and colour combos told the production workers the model and whether manual, manual/overdrive or automatic gearbox. I?ve got the colour codes somewhere for the Big Six saloon but not TR or Stag. They all looked the same but there were some detail differences that meant they weren?t necessarily interchangeable as complete units across different models.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 1 Feb 2021, at 18:16, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a Stag but the differential is from another Triumph. I'm aware people do put TR6 diffs on the Stags. One of the bolt holes in the Stag's back plate does not line up with one hole in the TR6 diff. 
> I'm not in my garage but the no. stamped on the diff I think starts with CG does this ring a bell? Stag's diffs start with LD.
> 
> Also another question, is the TR6? diff shared with other Triumphs, like the TR4 etc. or should I say the diff case, as I'm assuming diff ratios may be different.
> 
> Regards, Sujit
> 
> -- 
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> Cupertino, California
> 
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To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here
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WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to
have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.

Regards, Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
??? here in USA?
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Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.? For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45 limited slip diff.? www.goodparts.com <http://www.goodparts.com>? has all the info and goodies.? The stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.? 

 

10 years ago?? I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.? California will obviously be more.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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Cupertino, California


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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 10:17:20 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
??? here in USA?
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I spent about a grand in getting my Nissan diff in.? It is so much quieter,
and the limited slip is a bonus if you like to go fast around corners.? It
would have been more, but I got the diff at a u pull it yard for well under
$100 from an infinity Q45.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:48 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Unless its really important to have the car 100% stock, don?t go there.
> For not much more (and yes I know this is for a TR6) we put in a Nissan Q45
> limited slip diff.? www.goodparts.com has all the info and goodies.? The
> stag and TR6 drivetrains are pretty similar.
>
>
>
> 10 years ago?? I think it was around $700 plus here in Texas.? California
> will obviously be more.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 8:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:18:01 -0800
From: <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>, "'Triumphs'"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
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Sujit,

 

Any competent driveline shop can work on these.? I have been taking LBC differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.? 

 

There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.

 

Jonas

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in USA?

 

WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?

 

I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6. 

 

Regards, Sujit


 

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Cupertino, California


https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:57:19 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt
??? here in USA?
Message-ID:
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I live in Silicon Valley and sadly with the cost of? real estate all the
shops here are shutting shop. The Nissan option seems interesting, but some
modification will have to be done as the Stag has a different mount at the
front.? Folks in the UK do a BMW diff swap on the Stag.
I'll most likely stick with my Stag dif.
Sujit

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 9:18 AM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:

> Sujit,
>
>
>
> Any competent driveline shop can work on these.? I have been taking LBC
> differentials to one of several popular off road specialists (Dan?s
> Driveline) here in Vegas for over 20 years.
>
>
>
> There is nothing magic about Triumph differentials that they haven?t seen.
>
>
>
> Jonas
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 6:12 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What is a typical cost to have a TR6 diff rebuilt here in
> USA?
>
>
>
> WIth the no. of British car specialists retiring, what is a typical cost
> to have a diff rebuilt with new bearings and crown wheel and pinion?
>
>
>
> I have? a Stag, but the diff is similar to that of a TR6.
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>


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Cupertino, California

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 12:36:45 -0800
From: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] ref:? Stag fuse box
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I replaced mine years ago.? Not that difficult but you do have to work 
under the dash and I think that the glove box liner has to come out.? If 
you are installing a used one make sure that you tighten the rivets that 
hold the use holders in place.? Over the years the plastic shrinks which 
causes then to be loose which makes for intermittent electrical connections.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA



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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:29:06 -0500
From: "Jim Henningsen" <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: "'TR3 Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <009401d6f9c3$951cf450$bf56dcf0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="utf-8"

List:
Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.? I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.? It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.? Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)? 
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:05:49 -0500
From: Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com>
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
Message-ID: <6EB4404C-8C85-44AB-B4E2-8E401052474C at gregoryd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.

If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.

?Greg

> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> List:
> Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.? I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.? It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.? Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)? 
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8 
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 11:52:56 -0500
From: Bill Hall <billyb62 at gmail.com>
To: Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com>
Cc: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>, TR3 Triumphs
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
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I got one with in pretty good shape except for a small crack on the left
hand side.? Email me if interested.? I tried to take pics, let me know if
they don?t show what you want to see.

Bill
TR3A - TS63273L

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 11:07 AM Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

> Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.
>
> If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel
> available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.
>
> ?Greg
>
> > On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > List:
> > Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original
> banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.? I am working on
> refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original
> condition.? It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years
> ago.? Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is
> not allowed to ever sell it ?)
> > Thanks
> > Jim Henningsen
> > Ocala, FL
> > 61 3A
> > 62 4
> > 67 4A
> > 75 6
> > 81 8
> >
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 13:11:45 -0500
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 4A Steering Wheel
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OK,

I just checked and I have 2 4 steering wheels. One is cracked some what 
and the other one is much better. If these fit both 4 and 4a let me 
know. I can post photos.

The cracked one could be fixed with epoxy filler and then covered with a 
leather wheel skin. I have the wheel skins on my 3 and 4 and love them.

Email me Jim and Greg. I figure Jim gets first dibs. Cost would be 
shipping + 2$ for a beer at my local American Legion!

Email is: yellowtr at adelphia.net

Bob in Central NY.

On 2/3/21 11:05 AM, Greg Donovan wrote:
> Ah jeez. I should have asked this same question five years ago.
>
> If there?s more than one very nice original banjo TR4/TR4A steering wheel available, I?d be interested after Jim gets his.
>
> ?Greg
>
>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 7:29 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> List:
>> Please contact me directly if you have a very nice TR4 TR4A original banjo steering wheel that you would be willing to sell.? I am working on refreshing my 72k orig mile 67 TR4A and want to bring it back to original condition.? It has a used wooden aftermarket wheel bought about 30 years ago.? Fixing this car up to give to my daughter in the near future (she is not allowed to ever sell it ?)
>> Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 61 3A
>> 62 4
>> 67 4A
>> 75 6
>> 81 8
>>
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed Feb  3 14:16:11 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2021 21:16:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] TVT Newsletter back  issue
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Looking for a copy of TVT Newsletter Number 13
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Fri Feb  5 12:06:18 2021
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:06:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
Message-ID: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>

Folks
Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.
DC
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 07:34:57 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 08:34:57 -0600
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DAA47132-86ED-46C3-9524-83AC19EDE8CF@yahoo.com>

Some folks don?t use anything, just real clean.  Personally, I used a thin coat of Permatex Aviation gasket seal...after getting it real clean.  Anything you put down there adds to the protrusion above the deck for the sleeves.  
Bill B
TS30800L (TR4A powered)

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:52 PM, Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote:

?Folks
Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.
DC
<IMG_3668.jpeg>
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb  6 08:06:27 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 10:06:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <DAA47132-86ED-46C3-9524-83AC19EDE8CF@yahoo.com>
References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
 <DAA47132-86ED-46C3-9524-83AC19EDE8CF@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29b2e7ee-99f4-0686-fc58-8bf936a2a39f@adelphia.net>

I used Permatex av. also. No problems ever.

Bob

On 2/6/21 9:34 AM, bill beecher wrote:
> Some folks don?t use anything, just real clean.  Personally, I used a thin coat of Permatex Aviation gasket seal...after getting it real clean.  Anything you put down there adds to the protrusion above the deck for the sleeves.
> Bill B
> TS30800L (TR4A powered)
>
> #dontkillgrandma
>
> On Feb 5, 2021, at 11:52 PM, Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote:
>
> ?Folks
> Looking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds.  And  any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover.  Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals.  BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.  The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each.  I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side.  Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003.  Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.
> DC
> <IMG_3668.jpeg>
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sat Feb  6 10:57:23 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:57:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] J-type bridge pieces
Message-ID: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>

Hi,
I am working on replacing the O-rings on a J-Type overdrive.

I noticed that the bridge pieces are both bent - the same amount.? 
Drawings and pictures of new ones look straight.? Do I need to replace 
these?

Also, there are an old and new versions of the relief valve and dashpot 
assembly. Are the interchangeable?
Thanks,
Roger

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb  6 12:26:31 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:26:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] J-type bridge pieces
In-Reply-To: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
References: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <eddcfafb-abdb-1201-a36e-4ca7e66d36d4@verizon.net>

that's bizzare! I'v never seen them bend like that...I have to assume 
the four bolts were either over tightened or tightened when the pistons 
were not seated. either way you should be able to flatten them.?? Old 
and new versions?? don't know about that...have only ever seen one style 
for the D type and different version for the j type

ptegler

On 2/6/2021 12:57 PM, Roger Elliott wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am working on replacing the O-rings on a J-Type overdrive.
>
> I noticed that the bridge pieces are both bent - the same amount.? 
> Drawings and pictures of new ones look straight.? Do I need to replace 
> these?
>
> Also, there are an old and new versions of the relief valve and 
> dashpot assembly. Are the interchangeable?
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 12:32:02 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:32:02 -0800
Subject: [TR] J-type bridge pieces
In-Reply-To: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
References: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFMGgr9KhXV5=WApdmj9ASQbMFRvJHHx+dshqSi0SjPqA@mail.gmail.com>

I rebuilt a j type and those plates were very straight.  People do swap
valves. I have a spare j type and those plates were stright too. The j
types came from a Stag and Dolomite Sprint.

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 10:05 AM Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> I am working on replacing the O-rings on a J-Type overdrive.
>
> I noticed that the bridge pieces are both bent - the same amount.
> Drawings and pictures of new ones look straight.  Do I need to replace
> these?
>
> Also, there are an old and new versions of the relief valve and dashpot
> assembly. Are the interchangeable?
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 12:34:26 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:34:26 -0800
Subject: [TR] J-type bridge pieces
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFMGgr9KhXV5=WApdmj9ASQbMFRvJHHx+dshqSi0SjPqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
 <CANLCLaFMGgr9KhXV5=WApdmj9ASQbMFRvJHHx+dshqSi0SjPqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFqYiXqsUz_2MMVaVojDnPw5SGJG1=h_11rkC4RzKoOvw@mail.gmail.com>

Im also aware some j types operate at different pressures. But i can't
imaging the pressure bending those. Maybe they are like that

On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 11:32 AM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I rebuilt a j type and those plates were very straight.  People do swap
> valves. I have a spare j type and those plates were stright too. The j
> types came from a Stag and Dolomite Sprint.
>
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2021, 10:05 AM Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I am working on replacing the O-rings on a J-Type overdrive.
>>
>> I noticed that the bridge pieces are both bent - the same amount.
>> Drawings and pictures of new ones look straight.  Do I need to replace
>> these?
>>
>> Also, there are an old and new versions of the relief valve and dashpot
>> assembly. Are the interchangeable?
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sat Feb  6 13:05:10 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:05:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] J-type bridge pieces
In-Reply-To: <eddcfafb-abdb-1201-a36e-4ca7e66d36d4@verizon.net>
References: <1db1e820-336b-7d66-d7d9-a437a2d5ab56@rmi.net>
 <eddcfafb-abdb-1201-a36e-4ca7e66d36d4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <a1a0a43d-e49c-48f7-d139-694006deef09@rmi.net>

Thanks, I will try to straighten mine.

Here is part of a page from the Spitfire workshop manual from the J-type 
section.? It has drawings of both kinds.? Mine has the top one, but I am 
not sure all of the pieces are there. I think ones available look like 
the bottom one.

Thanks,
Roger



On 2/6/2021 1:26 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> that's bizzare! I'v never seen them bend like that...I have to assume 
> the four bolts were either over tightened or tightened when the 
> pistons were not seated. either way you should be able to flatten 
> them.?? Old and new versions?? don't know about that...have only ever 
> seen one style for the D type and different version for the j type
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/6/2021 12:57 PM, Roger Elliott wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am working on replacing the O-rings on a J-Type overdrive.
>>
>> I noticed that the bridge pieces are both bent - the same amount.? 
>> Drawings and pictures of new ones look straight.? Do I need to 
>> replace these?
>>
>> Also, there are an old and new versions of the relief valve and 
>> dashpot assembly. Are the interchangeable?
>> Thanks,
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> **triumphs at autox.team.net  **
>>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 18:30:33 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 01:30:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com>

 hylomar.
never sets up solid like silicone.that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch, come back, mess around.?leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
the best gasket dressing ever invented.
Frank
    On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 FolksLooking for some background information and recommendations on the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040 removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections. ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of 60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022 copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to 0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- . Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.DC** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Feb  6 21:53:45 2021
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 21:53:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEzTyi_U=8X0ZQh5whtV0WbnJfm+1q2=iYkSnUkL2x27w@mail.gmail.com>

I also used Aviation Form-a-Gasket (3H I think).

Didn't STC specify Wellseal for that?

Geo
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 09:26:10 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:26:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
Message-ID: <03c301d6fd6d$f2740280$d75c0780$@gmail.com>

How much clearance should there be between the steering rack and the front
fan crank extension?  On my recently acquired 67 4A, I have visible wear on
the crank extension from rubbing the steering rack.  I replaced both engine
mounts that needed to be changed with new round ones.  The car had a
rectangular one and a round one on the other side.  Go figure.  I now have
only .010 inch space between the rack and extension.  I suppose any amount
is good, but that seems small.  Thoughts?  
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
34471


From darrellw360 at mac.com  Sun Feb  7 09:50:28 2021
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 08:50:28 -0800
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
In-Reply-To: <03c301d6fd6d$f2740280$d75c0780$@gmail.com>
References: <03c301d6fd6d$f2740280$d75c0780$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC0835B4-7987-49C9-B155-D5E8212BDCD2@mac.com>


That does seem fairly small.  My car also had signs of rubbing.  There are shims available to get a bit more lift.  I do know that the stock clearance isn?t enough to get the fan belt off, so that at least gives you an upper target.

-Darrell

> On Feb 7, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How much clearance should there be between the steering rack and the front
> fan crank extension?  On my recently acquired 67 4A, I have visible wear on
> the crank extension from rubbing the steering rack.  I replaced both engine
> mounts that needed to be changed with new round ones.  The car had a
> rectangular one and a round one on the other side.  Go figure.  I now have
> only .010 inch space between the rack and extension.  I suppose any amount
> is good, but that seems small.  Thoughts?  
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 34471
> 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Feb  7 09:53:05 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:53:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
In-Reply-To: <03c301d6fd6d$f2740280$d75c0780$@gmail.com>
References: <03c301d6fd6d$f2740280$d75c0780$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB1461D8132414199D63E6F11DFAB09@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I have new round rubber mounts and had to shim them with some thick washers to keep the fan extension off the steering rack. If I need to change the fan belt I?ll have to lift the engine.

Cliff


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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:26:10 AM
To: 'TR3 Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question

How much clearance should there be between the steering rack and the front
fan crank extension?  On my recently acquired 67 4A, I have visible wear on
the crank extension from rubbing the steering rack.  I replaced both engine
mounts that needed to be changed with new round ones.  The car had a
rectangular one and a round one on the other side.  Go figure.  I now have
only .010 inch space between the rack and extension.  I suppose any amount
is good, but that seems small.  Thoughts?
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
34471

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 10:12:04 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 12:12:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR14MB1461D8132414199D63E6F11DFAB09@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB1461D8132414199D63E6F11DFAB09@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9A34F0ED-1A30-4881-819D-F6AA8F054E40@gmail.com>

Thanks, I have some extra washer from previous engine mounts that I kept.  That might be in order.  It?s just curious where the wear is still occurring for it to settle

> On Feb 7, 2021, at 11:53 AM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have new round rubber mounts and had to shim them with some thick washers to keep the fan extension off the steering rack. If I need to change the fan belt I?ll have to lift the engine.
> 
> Cliff
> 
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:26:10 AM
> To: 'TR3 Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
>  
> How much clearance should there be between the steering rack and the front
> fan crank extension?  On my recently acquired 67 4A, I have visible wear on
> the crank extension from rubbing the steering rack.  I replaced both engine
> mounts that needed to be changed with new round ones.  The car had a
> rectangular one and a round one on the other side.  Go figure.  I now have
> only .010 inch space between the rack and extension.  I suppose any amount
> is good, but that seems small.  Thoughts?  
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 34471
> 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  7 12:37:17 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:37:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEzTyi_U=8X0ZQh5whtV0WbnJfm+1q2=iYkSnUkL2x27w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <25703D44-2172-47FD-921D-D5427B0B88DD@yahoo.com>

Geo, yes, I believe you are right.  What is WellSeal?
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 6, 2021, at 10:54 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I also used Aviation Form-a-Gasket (3H I think).

Didn't STC specify Wellseal for that?

Geo
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Feb  7 15:35:05 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:35:05 -0800
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
References: <c14caf16-6f33-4b1e-9f83-9e638f1d1700.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <c14caf16-6f33-4b1e-9f83-9e638f1d1700@att.net>

Pretty common problem.? I bought a TR4 that had almost a 1/4" deep grove 
in the shaft.


The Factory manual calls for engine mount shims to align the hand 
crank/Rad hole/front dog.? I use the "Horseshoe" type ones that are used 
on the TR4 and TR6 body mounts.? Quite convenient as you do not have to 
lift the engine off the threaded portion of the mount.? I had a stack of 
them laying around but I think that TRF has them for sale.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Feb  7 16:14:21 2021
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:14:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] [Fot]  Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
In-Reply-To: <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <8C0FFD8B-6969-4105-BF53-906EDAAEA562@mi.rr.com>
 <1782664708.2345032.1612661433619@mail.yahoo.com>
 <78A72DDF-E839-4C7B-B720-CB4D1D982DB6@yahoo.com>
 <497632347.83099370.1612687498236.JavaMail.zimbra@telenet.be>
 <991368286.16767.1612717607135@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <9ed275aa-d486-d04e-1daa-03daf4a8f446@tonydrews.com>

I suspect the reason so many sealants are successful is that it's not 
really required.? I personally use Gaskacinch on that surface, used to 
use it on head gaskets too before I switched to Cometic head gaskets.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/7/2021 11:06 AM, DAVE HOGYE via Fot wrote:
> I like the method of using an old liner to polish the gasket surface. 
> Although a light amount would be nice just to get a good clear image 
> of the surface condition.
> I used the red, High-Tack spray-on sealant with a copper gasket when I 
> put together my first and last and only TR engine build, which is now 
> apart for a refresh after 19 race weekends and a total of 5,500 
> miles.? I sprayed both sides of the gasket, let it tack up and set 
> them in place.? I haven't pulled the liners. I thought I'd just 
> replace the rings and bearings, check and polish the crank and refresh 
> the valves and seats and put it back together.
> I think Marcel has made a good point that it's possible no sealant is 
> necessary if all conditions are otherwise excellent.? The sealant is 
> just added insurance.
> Dave H.
>> On 02/07/2021 12:44 AM van.mulders.marcel--- via Fot 
>> <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> It seems that about all sealants are performing well on the Fo8 
>> gaskets, maybe because there is no need for it? So, most products 
>> won't do any harm, but be aware of anaerobic gasket makers : these 
>> can cure very fast, forming an elastic layer of some thou thickness : 
>> the Fo8 gaskets won't leak, but the cylinderhead gasket will.
>> Marcel
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>> *Verzonden: *Zondag 7 februari 2021 03:17:01
>> *Onderwerp: *Re: [Fot] [TR] Sealants used on Fo8 gaskets
>> Don?t know if it?s my trick or if everyone does it but...
>> Once I?ve got the liner landing as clean as I can get it, I use a old 
>> liner as a hone and by twisting is back and forth with some valve 
>> lapping compound, get a nice shiny ring on the block mating face. 
>> Clean it up good and then use your sealant of choice.
>> Greg ?Lunker? Hilyer
>> Albuquerque NM
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2021, at 6:30 PM, Frank Fisher via Fot < fot at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     hylomar.
>>     never sets up solid like silicone.
>>     that means you have time to set the liners and go have a scotch,
>>     come back, mess around.
>>     leave it overnight and take up the task again tomorrow.
>>     the best gasket dressing ever invented.
>>     Frank
>>     On Friday, February 5, 2021, 09:52:33 PM PST, Dan Cronin <
>>     adcronin at mi.rr.com <mailto:adcronin at mi.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Folks
>>     Looking for some background information and recommendations on
>>     the preferred Fo8 gasket sealing compound that seems to have
>>     worked for each of you in your various engine re-builds. ?And
>>     ?any comments / observations you choose to share either on or off
>>     list. The motor I am building has a 89 mm piston and liner kit
>>     from BFE along with Corrello rods / bolts and a Crower dummy main
>>     crank connected at the front with a ATI Super Damper and at the
>>     rear to a Fidanza Alloy Flywheel with diaphragm clutch, an HVDA
>>     conversion with alloy drive shaft to a Quaife 4.11:1 diff. and
>>     alloy back cover. ?Stainless Steel valves with 0.050 oversize
>>     intake thru Mang. Bronze guides. H/S roller rockers on alloy
>>     pedestals. ?BPNW 270 duration cam. The TR4A head has had 0.040
>>     removed mostly to true things up and remove prior imperfections.
>>     ?The head chambers have been mildly worked to smooth any sharp
>>     edges and even things out with a resulting chamber volume of
>>     60.5cc each. ?I am planning on installing Gasket Works 0.022
>>     copper gasket with their 0.005 ?O? compression rings on the head
>>     side of the gasket that will be sprayed with a copper coating on
>>     each side. ?Gasket Works sent a set of Fo8 individual gaskets
>>     that has allowed me to obtain a liner protrusion of 0.0025 to
>>     0.003. ?Am aiming at a compression ratio of around 9.75 to 1+/- .
>>     Looking forward to as many responses as possible to assist in
>>     trying to get this critical step as close to right as I can.
>>     DC
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  7 16:23:18 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:23:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] 4A engine question
In-Reply-To: <c14caf16-6f33-4b1e-9f83-9e638f1d1700@att.net>
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Edward:
Thanks. That?s a great idea as I have a few of those in the spares bin.  Thanks, Jim

> On Feb 7, 2021, at 5:36 PM, Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Pretty common problem.  I bought a TR4 that had almost a 1/4" deep grove in the shaft.
> 
> 
> The Factory manual calls for engine mount shims to align the hand crank/Rad hole/front dog.  I use the "Horseshoe" type ones that are used on the TR4 and TR6 body mounts.  Quite convenient as you do not have to lift the engine off the threaded portion of the mount.  I had a stack of them laying around but I think that TRF has them for sale.
> 
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> 
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 06:52:28 2021
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 08:52:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
Message-ID: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>

Listers All:
I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question.  We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive.  I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists.  Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 07:48:46 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 09:48:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Free Spark Plugs
Message-ID: <05b401d6fe29$813cfba0$83b6f2e0$@gmail.com>

I found I had four new Autolite AP64 Platinum spark plugs.  They are not for
any of my TRs.  Turns out they fit Stag, Spitfire 1500, Mark 2-4, Herald and
GT6 Mark 1-3.  They list at $3.79 each on advance auto parts.  Happy to
offer them to anyone for cost of shipping a small envelope.  Otherwise they
will end up in the trash. New in the box.  Email me off list please if
interested.  
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala FL


From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Feb  8 09:17:54 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 09:17:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Free Spark Plugs
In-Reply-To: <05b401d6fe29$813cfba0$83b6f2e0$@gmail.com>
References: <05b401d6fe29$813cfba0$83b6f2e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2BA3B66-C2BA-484B-A1C6-CC40BD03EE0F@comcast.net>

Hi Jim,

I use the AP64s in my Spitfire. I?ll take them if no else has already.

Thanks
Bud

> On Feb 8, 2021, at 7:48 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I found I had four new Autolite AP64 Platinum spark plugs.  They are not for
> any of my TRs.  Turns out they fit Stag, Spitfire 1500, Mark 2-4, Herald and
> GT6 Mark 1-3.  They list at $3.79 each on advance auto parts.  Happy to
> offer them to anyone for cost of shipping a small envelope.  Otherwise they
> will end up in the trash. New in the box.  Email me off list please if
> interested.  
> Jim Henningsen 
> Ocala FL
> 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Feb  8 09:43:39 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:43:39 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
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 Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 10:54:39 2021
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (adcronin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:54:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] [Fot] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
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Bob K
You are correct in pointing out that the TR2/3supplement of the Workshop Manual does in fact mention Wellseal.  My observation was based on the TR4 Manual and must admit to being too lazy to verify against the original third edition of the TR2,3 supplement in my library.  In the TR4 first edition manual  there is no mention of a specific product other than the mention ?Fit the new Figure ?8? gaskets coated with jointing compound?.


On Feb 8, 2021, at 8:58 AM, Bob Kramer <rkramer56 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dan

I thought the factory choice was a product called Wellseal.  I just googled it and Pegasus carries it.  I myself use Hylomar Blue, which is relatively expensive as sealants go, but the Wellseal stuff is $31.99

Bob Kramer


On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 7:53 AM Dan Cronin via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
Listers All:
I want to thank everyone who took time out of their day / night to respond to my question.  We have had more than 20 folks respond and the variety of materials used was impressive.  I will spend a bit more time today or tomorrow and tabulate your responses by preference and post to both lists.  Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?.
Dan
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 11:41:50 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:41:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEr+8xQobji035gFn0ZXwxo6BYNfnZv+3Cb63qk3b7FXQ@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs

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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon Feb  8 12:56:41 2021
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:56:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEr+8xQobji035gFn0ZXwxo6BYNfnZv+3Cb63qk3b7FXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	I?ve had one of these for about 8 years and It has worked well for me.  When I got it it was through a group buying deal, but I think there are sales periodically.  The best part of these lifts is that they fold flat and can be stored on their side against  a wall in a space of about 5 inches wide by about 5 feet long. They lift to a hight of 26?, which allows comfortable working hight under the car.
	Best,
	Bob
https://www.ezcarlift.com/ezcarlift_specifications.html

> On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs <https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs>
> 
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Mon Feb  8 13:07:32 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:07:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <367DA92D-9F24-4B7D-8BED-46CDBDC79569@comcast.net>
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I have one of these as well.  But they are MUCH more expensive than what you are looking at in the UK.

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:57 AM
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?

                I?ve had one of these for about 8 years and It has worked well for me.  When I got it it was through a group buying deal, but I think there are sales periodically.  The best part of these lifts is that they fold flat and can be stored on their side against  a wall in a space of about 5 inches wide by about 5 feet long. They lift to a hight of 26?, which allows comfortable working hight under the car.
                Best,
                Bob
https://www.ezcarlift.com/ezcarlift_specifications.html


On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com<mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>> wrote:

https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs

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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Mon Feb  8 13:17:56 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:17:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <eb4ced1dad7245cb95df7494d17b37b6@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <CANLCLaEr+8xQobji035gFn0ZXwxo6BYNfnZv+3Cb63qk3b7FXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <eb4ced1dad7245cb95df7494d17b37b6@chinaautogroup.com>
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This is the most popular home lift in the US I think.

https://www.quickjack.com/car-lifts/bl-3500slx/

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 12:08 PM
To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>; Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?

I have one of these as well.  But they are MUCH more expensive than what you are looking at in the UK.

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
www.chinaautogroup.com<http://www.chinaautogroup.com>

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:57 AM
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com<mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?

                I?ve had one of these for about 8 years and It has worked well for me.  When I got it it was through a group buying deal, but I think there are sales periodically.  The best part of these lifts is that they fold flat and can be stored on their side against  a wall in a space of about 5 inches wide by about 5 feet long. They lift to a hight of 26?, which allows comfortable working hight under the car.
                Best,
                Bob
https://www.ezcarlift.com/ezcarlift_specifications.html

On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com<mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>> wrote:

https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs

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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Mon Feb  8 13:45:01 2021
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (adcronin)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:45:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
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RESULTS OF Fo8 SEALANT THREAD?Thanks again to all who contributed

We had around 25 responses of one sort or another, several good suggestions and a couple of ?heads up?  regarding ?aggressive? motor oil potential reaction with some sealants.
Most popular with 7 users was HYLOMAR BLUE
Next was PERMATEX AVIATION with 5 users
Then came YAMABOND #5 with 3 users
Followed by unspecified SILICONE with 2 users
COPPER COAT,  PERMATEX BROWN and INDIAN HEAD SHELLAC each had 1 user
Several responders suggested that perhaps if the mating surfaces (see below) were in good shape then no sealant al all might be the way to go...
One responder (with a couple of like minded individuals)suggested using an old liner cleaned up and true as a sort of hone to polish the ?land? in the block.  This might also work to emphasize highs and lows in the land if a bit of Prussian blue was applied to the land prior to using the ?hone?.





On Feb 8, 2021, at 11:43 AM, John Macartney <john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:

Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Feb  8 14:31:02 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:31:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
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+1 on the EZ car lift.

 

Best part of that is you can get different extensions for different cars

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 1:57 PM
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?

 

               I?ve had one of these for about 8 years and It has worked well for me.  When I got it it was through a group buying deal, but I think there are sales periodically.  The best part of these lifts is that they fold flat and can be stored on their side against  a wall in a space of about 5 inches wide by about 5 feet long. They lift to a hight of 26?, which allows comfortable working hight under the car.

               Best,

               Bob

https://www.ezcarlift.com/ezcarlift_specifications.html





On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> > wrote:

 

https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs




Sujit

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb  8 18:17:05 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 01:17:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <1190490267.2499985.1612833425705@mail.yahoo.com>

 

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
 Au contraire, mon ami.? Dum Dum is readily available state-side at many body shop supply depots.? I have a box of it in my garage which I used to seal up the aluminium finish piece on top of the TR6 windscreen frame.
But you are right about many products being local specialties where name brands are not available everywhere but equivalents certainly are.? Dum dum included, I'm sure.? 
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Dan Cronin <adcronin at mi.rr.com>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT List Triumph <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

 Interesting that the factory workshop manuals do not specify a particular product or brand?.

Basic Reasons:

1. Unless absolutely essential, the company policy was not to recommend any one product over another except for things such as oils and fuel octane ratings which latter are calculated still in two different ways.
2. Some products are known in only a few markets and not all of them. Company was supplying product to over 100 different markets.
3. The cars were only designed to last for a maximum period of 10 years, so why bother as mostly the cars would be maintained by the dealers for all but the simplest tasks.

Yes, I remember each car handbook described how to set valve clearances and ignition timing whereas today, the handbook in my wife?s new car points out the dangers of drinking battery acid.

I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Jonmac
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Feb  8 18:22:49 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:22:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
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On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney
<John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>
> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
like a box of skinny black pencils.

From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb  8 18:34:39 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 01:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
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I have the box here and the brand name IS "Dumdum."
Cute name.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
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Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 7:22 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney
<John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>
> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.? I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
Dumdum.? I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.? ? Looked
like a box of skinny black pencils.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb  8 19:03:46 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 02:03:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <dad11618d67e428b860bbe9c00c7c204@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <CANLCLaEr+8xQobji035gFn0ZXwxo6BYNfnZv+3Cb63qk3b7FXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <eb4ced1dad7245cb95df7494d17b37b6@chinaautogroup.com>
 <dad11618d67e428b860bbe9c00c7c204@chinaautogroup.com>
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 Certainly is in my household.? ;-)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com>
To: Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com>; Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>; Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
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Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2021 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?

#yiv3022733228 #yiv3022733228 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv3022733228 #yiv3022733228 p.yiv3022733228MsoNormal, #yiv3022733228 li.yiv3022733228MsoNormal, #yiv3022733228 div.yiv3022733228MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv3022733228 a:link, #yiv3022733228 span.yiv3022733228MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3022733228 span.yiv3022733228apple-tab-span {}#yiv3022733228 .yiv3022733228MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv3022733228 div.yiv3022733228WordSection1 {}#yiv3022733228 This is the most popular home lift in the US I think.  ? https://www.quickjack.com/car-lifts/bl-3500slx/  ? Steve Kirby President China Auto Group 22831 Avenida Empresa Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA Direct:? (949) 261-8208 Fax:? (949) 767-5949 Cell:? (949) 903-0957 Skype: steve.kirby29 www.chinaautogroup.com  ? From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfSteve Kirby
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 12:08 PM
To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>; Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?  ? I have one of these as well.? But they are MUCH more expensive than what you are looking at in the UK.  ? Steve Kirby President China Auto Group 22831 Avenida Empresa Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA Direct:? (949) 261-8208 Fax:? (949) 767-5949 Cell:? (949) 903-0957 Skype: steve.kirby29 www.chinaautogroup.com  ? From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 11:57 AM
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Are these types of lifts available cheaply in the USA?  ? ??????????????? I?ve had one of these for about 8 years and It has worked well for me. ?When I got it it was through a group buying deal, but I think there are sales periodically. ?The best part of these lifts is that they fold flat and can be stored on their side against ?a wall in a space of about 5 inches wide by about 5 feet long. They lift to a hight of 26?, which allows comfortable working hight under the car. ??????????????? Best, ??????????????? Bob https://www.ezcarlift.com/ezcarlift_specifications.html  ? 
On Feb 8, 2021, at 1:41 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  ? https://www.hawktools.co.uk/1-5-ton-1500kg-portable-scissor-vehicle-tilting-lift-jack?fbclid=IwAR3kezuSRpNLZIGjaikkq_1Kf6DD2bs4p1_XhBrCSnzKsL414n9JBdCILDs 
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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Tue Feb  9 09:26:22 2021
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (Tom Walling)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:26:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
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I have always seen Dum-Dum used as a body joint filler where there are panels that abut each other. I doubt it would have any positive effect on the Figure-of-Eight seals in the engine.

> On 02/08/2021 8:22 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney
> <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
> 
> Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
> Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
> it came in.
> 
> What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
> soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
> like a box of skinny black pencils.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Feb  9 09:44:31 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:44:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <1766545539.202774.1612887983812@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <2114402275.3009362.1612889071846@mail.yahoo.com>

 You're right, it wouldn't.? Nor would it make a great desert topping.
Always chose the right product for the job.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Walling <pdqtr6 at comcast.net>
To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>; John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

I have always seen Dum-Dum used as a body joint filler where there are panels that abut each other. I doubt it would have any positive effect on the Figure-of-Eight seals in the engine.

> On 02/08/2021 8:22 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>? 
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney
> <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
> 
> Huh.? I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of
> Dumdum.? I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box
> it came in.
> 
> What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
> soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.? ? Looked
> like a box of skinny black pencils.
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Feb  9 12:34:49 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:34:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
 <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>

... sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html

Keith

Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> 
Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>
> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
like a box of skinny black pencils.



From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Feb  9 12:44:32 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 13:44:32 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
 <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>
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3M makes (or at least sells a branded version of) butyl rubber strip caulk,
too.  I have a pack in my sealants tote.

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 1:37 PM <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

> ... sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
> https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html
>
> Keith
>
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
> To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
> Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney <
> John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant
> called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever
> heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
>
> Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.
> I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.
>
> What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
> soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
> like a box of skinny black pencils.
>
>
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From glewis999 at aol.com  Tue Feb  9 12:48:54 2021
From: glewis999 at aol.com (glewis999)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:48:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
 <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>
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Dum Dum was used as a non-setting?sealant between body panels and as a?seam sealer. It is no longer available here in the UK, thanks, I think, to EU rules.Graham


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On Tuesday, February 9, 2021, 7:37 pm, keithstewart at bell.net <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

... sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html

Keith

Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> 
Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses

On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>
> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!

Huh.? I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.? I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.

What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.? ? Looked
like a box of skinny black pencils.


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Feb  9 13:39:56 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 15:39:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
In-Reply-To: <09ba01d6ff1a$a1d59510$e580bf30$@bell.net>
References: <10D0E330-BC92-4DD8-B403-4AEB1A2951AE@mi.rr.com>
 <512A28A8-A745-4C5A-A4E5-009AEF2F9D94@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <CAO8Q7CPi-8GnjBctyggzrCsRv_tfpiK5-iT9rf6ZJp4FZU7sgw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <bdcc0cff-a9e6-52f5-51bd-eac347df3c44@verizon.net>

3M strip caulk re-packaged. have used it for years. (real 3M version)

Also avail at your local big box store (Lowes etc) is a very similarly 
packaged product in the weather strip area....
is actually closer (is) soft window chauking in strips (5-6 parrallel in 
a roll) its the same stuff used under you chrome trim over the 
windshield and etc, light tan in color never hardens works great!

ptegler

On 2/9/2021 2:34 PM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:
> .. sounds like Eastwood's flexible strip caulk.
> https://www.eastwood.com/ew-flexible-strip-caulk-bk-2-lbs.html
>
> Keith
>
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Sent: February 8, 2021 8:23 PM
> To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
> Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Fo8 Sealants Question and List Responses
>
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 11:59 AM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>> I do recall some manuals and service bulletins called for a sealant called DumDum - and of course, few people if any outside the U.K. have ever heard of DumDum. Even this list has speculated on it!
> Huh.  I worked for a VW dealer in Atlanta, and we used plenty of Dumdum.  I always figured it was a slang term, as I never saw the box it came in.
>
> What I call Dumdum was sheets of wax paper with eight or so rods of
> soft, semi-sticky sealant like modeling clay side by side.     Looked
> like a box of skinny black pencils.
>
>
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From sagreenwood at att.net  Tue Feb  9 18:43:40 2021
From: sagreenwood at att.net (Stuart Greenwood)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:43:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>

I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?

Stuart A Greenwood
TR250
1971 Spitfire Mk IV

From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Feb  9 19:00:41 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:00:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
Message-ID: <000201d6ff50$8999e880$9ccdb980$@ranteer.com>

Is there any way to adjust the front camber on an early TR4 (9XXX)?

 

The alignment guy says they are both off a little

 

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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Tue Feb  9 19:05:17 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 02:05:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39E43852-2D96-42C5-AF47-ED42300FFAD7@chinaautogroup.com>

Just keep in mind that electric pumps are better pushers than pullers.  That is why they are usually mounted in the rear.

Steve Kirby

> On Feb 9, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?
> 
> Stuart A Greenwood
> TR250
> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Feb  9 19:44:20 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 02:44:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <436573944.27686.1612925060426@mail.yahoo.com>

 The best place is back near the tank but that means running a wire back there to run it.? I ran one on my TR6 for many years mounted to the side of the block where the old mechanical pump was (blanked off, of course).? Either works well enough.
I suggest you buy an impact switch.? They can be had for pretty cheap at the breaker's yard.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 7:43 pm
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump

I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?

Stuart A Greenwood
TR250
1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Feb  9 19:51:28 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 02:51:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
In-Reply-To: <000201d6ff50$8999e880$9ccdb980$@ranteer.com>
References: <000201d6ff50$8999e880$9ccdb980$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <948132642.30004.1612925488183@mail.yahoo.com>

 There is no factory adjustment for caster or camber on the TR2/3 or the early TR4.? I guess there might be some offset bushings that could be fitted to make adjustments.? I've seen such for big Healeys.
How much is a little off?? If it is the same on both sides it should still track pretty straight.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 8:00 pm
Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Feb 10 05:41:36 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:41:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e0be6113-5afa-7cb8-1fbc-7e7b442bf97d@adelphia.net>

Stuart,

I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before 
the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. 
Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the 
pump used to be.

I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.

58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.

Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.

Bob

On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:
> I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?
>
> Stuart A Greenwood
> TR250
> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

From salty1249y at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 06:38:46 2021
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:38:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
In-Reply-To: <948132642.30004.1612925488183@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000201d6ff50$8999e880$9ccdb980$@ranteer.com>
 <948132642.30004.1612925488183@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOp9YT+5tQN2Wvp+OHWVBNbzsnnoCujojAvyODZFgFJPyB5eqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Revington TR in the UK sells a kit with an adjustable top fulcrum:

https://www.revingtontr.com/product/rtr3112k/name/fulcrum-kit-upper-tr2-4

I have no experience with it, but it looks like a bit of a job to install
with some minor welding required and if you have an early car you would
need to change to later (late TR4-TR6) upper wishbones and trunnions.

Cheers,
Mike

On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 8:56 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> There is no factory adjustment for caster or camber on the TR2/3 or the
> early TR4.  I guess there might be some offset bushings that could be
> fitted to make adjustments.  I've seen such for big Healeys.
>
> How much is a little off?  If it is the same on both sides it should still
> track pretty straight.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 8:00 pm
> Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
>
> Is there any way to adjust the front camber on an early TR4 (9XXX)?
>
> The alignment guy says they are both off a little
>
> Thanks!
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 07:54:58 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:54:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4a question
Message-ID: <C6AF1075-C264-4FD2-B8EB-47009590651E@gmail.com>

Still learning the nuances on my new 4a over the 4.   My car has a single choke cable to rear carb.  I can?t find a reference in parts manual to determine if it should be a double choke cable  like a TR6.   Any 4a owners out there that could answer? 
Thanks
Jim Henningsen

From darrellw360 at mac.com  Wed Feb 10 08:01:58 2021
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:01:58 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4a question
In-Reply-To: <C6AF1075-C264-4FD2-B8EB-47009590651E@gmail.com>
References: <C6AF1075-C264-4FD2-B8EB-47009590651E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9AA4D2A-5AF0-4FF4-AE47-29A721E7DDFE@mac.com>


For a TR4A with HS6 carbs, there is indeed a single cable, the two carb chokes are connected via  linkage between.  I don?t know if Strombergs are the same or not.

-Darrell

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 6:54 AM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Still learning the nuances on my new 4a over the 4.   My car has a single choke cable to rear carb.  I can?t find a reference in parts manual to determine if it should be a double choke cable  like a TR6.   Any 4a owners out there that could answer? 
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 08:23:41 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:23:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4a question
In-Reply-To: <C6AF1075-C264-4FD2-B8EB-47009590651E@gmail.com>
References: <C6AF1075-C264-4FD2-B8EB-47009590651E@gmail.com>
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Pretty sure a 4A is single cable

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 8:57 AM James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Still learning the nuances on my new 4a over the 4.   My car has a single
> choke cable to rear carb.  I can?t find a reference in parts manual to
> determine if it should be a double choke cable  like a TR6.   Any 4a owners
> out there that could answer?
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Feb 10 08:55:50 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 07:55:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <e0be6113-5afa-7cb8-1fbc-7e7b442bf97d@adelphia.net>
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1009038174.42414.1612921420211@mail.yahoo.com>
 <e0be6113-5afa-7cb8-1fbc-7e7b442bf97d@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <7F23FB8A-5481-4D4B-9446-002192BABCF4@mac.com>

What brand pump are you installing?  

When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/ <https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/>

Rye



> On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> Stuart,
> 
> I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.
> 
> I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.
> 
> 58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.
> 
> Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:
>> I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?
>> 
>> Stuart A Greenwood
>> TR250
>> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Feb 10 09:01:26 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:01:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
In-Reply-To: <CAOp9YT+5tQN2Wvp+OHWVBNbzsnnoCujojAvyODZFgFJPyB5eqQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Myself and a few others that I know of, use the Revington adjustable fulcrum pin to get more negative camber on our Triumph race cars.  It's a good kit.  Even for those who might have a frame that is not perfectly straight or as it left the factory and need a little adjusting.  
Revington suggests tack welding the assembly after the suspension is set.  The tack weld can later be ground away to make another adjustment.  I have not tacked mine, but have marked it to monitor any movement.  It could technically slide a little if it was not tightened enough. 
Dave H.

>     On 02/10/2021 5:38 AM Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Revington TR in the UK sells a kit with an adjustable top fulcrum:
>      
>     https://www.revingtontr.com/product/rtr3112k/name/fulcrum-kit-upper-tr2-4 
>      
>     I have no experience with it, but it looks like a bit of a job to install with some minor welding required and if you have an early car you would need to change to later (late TR4-TR6) upper wishbones and trunnions.
>      
>     Cheers,
>     Mike 
> 
>     On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 8:56 PM DAVID MASSEY < dave1massey at cs.com mailto:dave1massey at cs.com > wrote:
> 
>         > >         There is no factory adjustment for caster or camber on the TR2/3 or the early TR4.  I guess there might be some offset bushings that could be fitted to make adjustments.  I've seen such for big Healeys.
> >          
> >         How much is a little off?  If it is the same on both sides it should still track pretty straight.
> >          
> >         Dave
> > 
> >          
> >          
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: dave <dave at ranteer.com mailto:dave at ranteer.com >
> >         To: triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> >         Sent: Tue, Feb 9, 2021 8:00 pm
> >         Subject: [TR] camber - early TR4
> > 
> >         Is there any way to adjust the front camber on an early TR4 (9XXX)?
> >          
> >         The alignment guy says they are both off a little
> >          
> >         Thanks!
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Feb 10 09:10:08 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:10:08 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
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Most electric fuel pumps are loud.  Be sure to mount it on a pad of some kind.  But ? you really can?t hear it above the engine.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:56 AM
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump

 

What brand pump are you installing?  

 

When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/

 

Rye

 

 





On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net <mailto:yellowtr at adelphia.net> > wrote:

 

Stuart,

I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.

I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.

58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.

Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.

Bob

On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:



I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?

Stuart A Greenwood
TR250
1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Feb 10 09:15:46 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:15:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
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The Facet I had was mounted on rubber and it was crazy loud.  The Hardi is not loud at all which my local shop told me, and another Triumph club member had installed the Hardi pump in both his TR4s.  Very quiet.

Rye

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:10 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Most electric fuel pumps are loud.  Be sure to mount it on a pad of some kind.  But ? you really can?t hear it above the engine.
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:56 AM
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
>  
> What brand pump are you installing?  
>  
> When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/ <https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/>
>  
> Rye
>  
>  
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net <mailto:yellowtr at adelphia.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> Stuart,
>> 
>> I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.
>> 
>> I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.
>> 
>> 58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.
>> 
>> Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:
>> 
>>> I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?
>>> 
>>> Stuart A Greenwood
>>> TR250
>>> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 09:26:14 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:26:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4a question
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Thanks.  I should have mentioned that it has SU Carbs.  

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Pretty sure a 4A is single cable
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 8:57 AM James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Still learning the nuances on my new 4a over the 4.   My car has a single choke cable to rear carb.  I can?t find a reference in parts manual to determine if it should be a double choke cable  like a TR6.   Any 4a owners out there that could answer? 
>> Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
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From john at linneyweb.com  Wed Feb 10 09:36:19 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:36:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4a question
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If you have Strombergs, there should be a linkage between the two.


> On Feb 10, 2021, at 7:03 AM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Still learning the nuances on my new 4a over the 4.   My car has a single choke cable to rear carb.  I can?t find a reference in parts manual to determine if it should be a double choke cable  like a TR6.   Any 4a owners out there that could answer? 
> Thanks
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Feb 10 09:48:30 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:48:30 -0800
Subject: [TR] DYTD photos from the Netherlands
References: <CAM33KKFUAf7=ePkTJ_DHdGwARC2dRq0FauurEWJV6SEZN4s9Bw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59755041-386B-41CC-8FD3-E9DD9C77E83F@mac.com>

As I get ready to host a Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club DYTD drive in Northern California, I've already received over 100 emails with photos from around the world, which still blows me away.  

While I understand those of you back east who are dealing with crazy cold temps and snow, I encourage you to take a photo of your Triumph in the garage in hibernation or being worked on, or roll it out for a quick photo then back in the garage.  Just have fun with it like Bart did in the photos below from Holland.  

The whole idea is that during a 24 hour period, the Triumph community all over the world is driving their Triumph, or at a minimum is thinking about their Triumph, and taking a photo on this day, Feb 10th.  It?s pretty amazing.  Take a photo and send it to DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com <mailto:DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com>.

Thank you in advance for your participation.

Rye Livingston
1960 TR3A


> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: B. Stobbe
> Date: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:35 AM
> Subject: 
> To: driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com <mailto:driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com> <driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com <mailto:driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com>>
> 
> 
> Dear Rye,
> 
>  
> 
> Happy celebration of Sir Black?s birthday. Nice initiative!
> 
> I do hope the weather is fine in California.  We had snow for the last few days and it?s freezing right now.
> 
> We have published this event in our ?Traffic?, our magazine of the Dutch Triumph TR Club, and do hope other members have send you pictures from the Netherlands.
> 
>  
> 
> May Name: Bart Stobbe
> 
> My car: Triumph TR4 1962
> 
> Place: Rijswijk, Netherlands
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards, Bart.
> 
>  
> 
> Vriendelijke groet, Bart Stobbe.
> 
> Secretaris en plv. voorzitter van de TR Club Holland (TRCH).  
> 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Feb 10 13:00:09 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:00:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
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Rye,

Which Hardi pump are you using? I?ve been looking at those.

Cliff

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:15:46 AM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump

The Facet I had was mounted on rubber and it was crazy loud.  The Hardi is not loud at all which my local shop told me, and another Triumph club member had installed the Hardi pump in both his TR4s.  Very quiet.

Rye

On Feb 10, 2021, at 8:10 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:

Most electric fuel pumps are loud.  Be sure to mount it on a pad of some kind.  But ? you really can?t hear it above the engine.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:56 AM
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump

What brand pump are you installing?

When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/

Rye




On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net<mailto:yellowtr at adelphia.net>> wrote:

Stuart,

I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.

I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.

58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.

Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.

Bob

On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:

I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?

Stuart A Greenwood
TR250
1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Feb 10 17:15:00 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:15:00 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
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References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Cliff,

I?m pretty sure it?s the 13312, has the same slip-on fuel line fittings, which is the one highlighted on the home page.  

At the bottom of the home page is a link to a table of comparison English vehicles.  Doesn?t list TR3, but you will see it?s listing it at 2.5-3 psi.

Just got back from our DYTD drive with 12 Triumphs and 1 Jaguar XKE Coupe over to the coast.  It was raining yesterday and rain tomorrow, but today was sunny California!

Rye




> On Feb 10, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> What brand pump are you installing?  
> 
> When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/ <https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/>
> 
> Rye
> 
> 
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net <mailto:yellowtr at adelphia.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Stuart,
>> 
>> I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.
>> 
>> I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.
>> 
>> 58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.
>> 
>> Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:
>>> I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?
>>> 
>>> Stuart A Greenwood
>>> TR250
>>> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 17:53:41 2021
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:53:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
In-Reply-To: <96D184EA-6946-48E2-9260-1912F610805F@mac.com>
References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Rye;

I'm trying to determine the practical difference between the
HARDI 13312 and their 14412. Perhaps either one would work....

Dave

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:15 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

> Cliff,
>
> I?m pretty sure it?s the 13312, has the same slip-on fuel line fittings,
> which is the one highlighted on the home page.
>
> At the bottom of the home page is a link to a table of comparison English
> vehicles.  Doesn?t list TR3, but you will see it?s listing it at 2.5-3 psi.
>
> Just got back from our DYTD drive with 12 Triumphs and 1 Jaguar XKE Coupe
> over to the coast.  It was raining yesterday and rain tomorrow, but today
> was sunny California!
>
> Rye
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>
> What brand pump are you installing?
>
> When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet
> mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British
> Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel
> tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very
> quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I
> wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved
> it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.
> https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/
>
> Rye
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> Stuart,
>
> I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the
> pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one
> on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used
> to be.
>
> I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.
>
> 58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.
>
> Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.
>
> Bob
>
> On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:
>
> I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done
> this? If so where did you install it?
>
> Stuart A Greenwood
> TR250
> 1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Feb 10 18:04:34 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 01:04:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump
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References: <1009038174.42414.1612921420211.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <e0be6113-5afa-7cb8-1fbc-7e7b442bf97d@adelphia.net>
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Pumps 12/24V - HARDI Automotive (hardi-automotive.com)<https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/pumps-1224v/> looks like 13312 is lower pressure than 14412

I?m fairly sure the -12 part indicates the type of fuel line fittings.

Cliff

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From: David Friedlander<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 6:01 PM
To: Rye Livingston<mailto:ryel at mac.com>
Cc: TR List<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fitting an electric fuel pump

Rye;

I'm trying to determine the practical difference between the
HARDI 13312 and their 14412. Perhaps either one would work....

Dave

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:15 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com<mailto:ryel at mac.com>> wrote:
Cliff,

I?m pretty sure it?s the 13312, has the same slip-on fuel line fittings, which is the one highlighted on the home page.

At the bottom of the home page is a link to a table of comparison English vehicles.  Doesn?t list TR3, but you will see it?s listing it at 2.5-3 psi.

Just got back from our DYTD drive with 12 Triumphs and 1 Jaguar XKE Coupe over to the coast.  It was raining yesterday and rain tomorrow, but today was sunny California!

Rye




On Feb 10, 2021, at 7:55 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com<mailto:ryel at mac.com>> wrote:

What brand pump are you installing?

When I converted my 1960 TR3A to an electric fuel pump I went with a Facet mounted below the fuel tank but it was really loud. My local shop, British Motorsports, recommended the Hardi fuel pump.  You can mount if by the fuel tank or in the engine compartment.  It will push or pull and is very quiet.  Initially I installed it in my engine compartment, but later on I wanted to install a coolant overflow bottle and needed the room, so moved it to the back, so I?ve had it do both.  https://www.hardi-automotive.com/en/products/fuel-pumps/

Rye




On Feb 10, 2021, at 4:41 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net<mailto:yellowtr at adelphia.net>> wrote:

Stuart,

I mounted my pump at the rear of the boot well. Remember filter before the pump. I replaced the mechanical pump with a regulator with gauge. Some one on this list sells the plate that blocks off the spot where the pump used to be.

I have the same pump and system on all 3 of my TRs.

58 3, 62 4 and 72 6. No problems in almost 20 years.

Do mount the pump with some rubber washers.

Bob

On 2/9/21 8:43 PM, Stuart Greenwood wrote:

I would like to fit an Electric fuel ump to my TR250 . Has anyone done this? If so where did you install it?

Stuart A Greenwood
TR250
1971 Spitfire Mk IV
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From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 20:09:04 2021
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:09:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
Message-ID: <CADy_YYpkZthn_RJkXVhbkjSfHtZfdoaU2DqaEGM3YtYPKs6-xg@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the headlight
plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6?
 While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights
are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.
Thanks,
Bill Smith
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Feb 10 22:11:10 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:11:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
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Not sure if Lucas kept ground the same across models but on the Stag there
are a few grounds on the wiper motor hold down bolt

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021, 7:21 PM William Smith <smithwm845 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the
> headlight plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6?
>  While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights
> are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.
> Thanks,
> Bill Smith
> '72 TR6
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Feb 11 04:17:26 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 06:17:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
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Maybe on or around the steering box?

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 10:09 PM
To: Triumph List
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection

 

Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the headlight plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6?

 While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.

Thanks,

Bill Smith 

'72 TR6 

'80 TR7 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Feb 11 06:03:09 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:03:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
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 This is a rather problematic ground connection.? There are some quick connect terminals in the harness that runs just behind the grill that plug into little tabs on the sheetmetal.? Corrosion is likely in this vicinity.
I modified my wire harness by splicing wires with ring terminals and grounding them under the fastener for the stabilizer brace.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection

Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the headlight plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6??While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.Thanks,Bill Smith?'72 TR6?'80 TR7?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Thu Feb 11 06:39:55 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:39:55 +0000
Subject: [TR] DYTD photos from the Netherlands
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CAR- ROC, still a good indoor ride!!!

	-----------------------------------------From: "Rye Livingston" 
To: "TR List"
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday February 10 2021 12:02:09PM
Subject: [TR] DYTD photos from the Netherlands

 As I get ready to host a Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club DYTD drive
in Northern California, I've already received over 100 emails with
photos from around the world, which still blows me away.  
 While I understand those of you back east who are dealing with crazy
cold temps and snow, I encourage you to take a photo of your Triumph
in the garage in hibernation or being worked on, or roll it out for a
quick photo then back in the garage. Just have fun with it like Bart
did in the photos below from Holland.  
 The whole idea is that during a 24 hour period, the Triumph community
all over the world is driving their Triumph, or at a minimum is
thinking about their Triumph, and taking a photo on this day, Feb
10th. It?s pretty amazing. Take a photo and send it to
DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com. 
 Thank you in advance for your participation. 
 Rye Livingston 1960 TR3A 

    ---------- Forwarded message ---------   From: B. STOBBE
 Date: Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 7:35 AM
 Subject:
 To: driveyourtriumphday at gmail.com 

	Dear Rye, 

	Happy celebration of Sir Black?s birthday. Nice initiative! 

	I do hope the weather is fine in California. We had snow for the last
few days and it?s freezing right now. 

	We have published this event in our ?Traffic?, our magazine of
the Dutch Triumph TR Club, and do hope other members have send you
pictures from the Netherlands. 

	May Name: Bart Stobbe 

	My car: Triumph TR4 1962 

	Place: Rijswijk, Netherlands 

	Kind regards, Bart. 

	Vriendelijke groet, Bart Stobbe. 

	Secretaris en plv. voorzitter van de TR Club Holland (TRCH).  

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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 11 08:33:22 2021
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:33:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
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 I installed the Moss headlight relay kit a few months ago which made a huge improvement in my 74 TR6 headlight brightness. Was really easy and now pulls power directly from the battery, and away from the switch. One of the easiest, dramatic improvements at least for me.
Robert
    On Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 10:21:55 PM EST, William Smith <smithwm845 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the headlight plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6??While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.Thanks,Bill Smith?'72 TR6?'80 TR7?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Feb 11 09:45:34 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:45:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection
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I did that on our GT6 with the same results. OurTR6 is next for that kit.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of robert rudolphi
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 10:33 AM
To: Triumph List; William Smith
Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight Ground Connection

 

I installed the Moss headlight relay kit a few months ago which made a huge improvement in my 74 TR6 headlight brightness. Was really easy and now pulls power directly from the battery, and away from the switch. One of the easiest, dramatic improvements at least for me.

 

Robert

 

On Wednesday, February 10, 2021, 10:21:55 PM EST, William Smith <smithwm845 at gmail.com> wrote: 

 

 

Can anyone tell me where to look and find the ground wire for the headlight plug is attached to the body or other ground source, on a '72 TR6?

 While I recognize that there could me several causes, both my headlights are dim and I subscribe to wisdom in trying the simple stuff first.

Thanks,

Bill Smith 

'72 TR6 

'80 TR7 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 15:11:06 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 17:11:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for a TR3, 3A, 3B
Message-ID: <004701d700c2$cc7034c0$65509e40$@gmail.com>

List:
My neighbor who loves nice cars really likes my 3A and has decided he wants
one.  I am now trying to find him a really nice one (he likes really nice).
I am not a fan of car dealers and always try to buy my TRs from fellow club
members.  If you have or know someone who may be interested in selling a #1
or #2 level condition TR3, 3A, or 3B please contact me offline.  I saw a
month ago a super nice looking black with red interior TR3B in south Florida
on craigslist, but now I can't find the ad.  I saved the pictures since it
was stunning.  And no, he doesn't want the TR3 project and pieces car on
bringatrailer.com right now.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
  


From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 11 20:20:44 2021
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (WILLIAM SMITH)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:20:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Headlight round Connection
Message-ID: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and 
recommendations.? As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the 
'72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to 
the inner side of the front valance.? As my car is not back yet from the 
body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection until 
I get it back.? However, I do have the original valance and spotted the 
tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply --- thanks 
Dave! ? If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten the lights, 
I'll have to probe further.

As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying 
with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.? As the original 
headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing the relay 
with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would probably call for 
an alternator upgrade, as well.? It never ends?

Bill Smith

'72 TR6

'80 TR7


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Thu Feb 11 20:42:27 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:42:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Headlight round Connection
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References: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>
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a typical 55W high beam headlamp =??? 55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14 
amps for both lights (give or take....)

Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT? The typical Lucas 26 
amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an 
idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )

Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt 
replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.

jfft

ptegler

On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and 
> recommendations.? As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the 
> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to 
> the inner side of the front valance.? As my car is not back yet from 
> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection 
> until I get it back.? However, I do have the original valance and 
> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply 
> --- thanks Dave! ? If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten 
> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>
> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying 
> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.? As the 
> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing 
> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would 
> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.? It never ends?
>
> Bill Smith
>
> '72 TR6
>
> '80 TR7
>
>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 12 05:52:41 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:52:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Headlight round Connection
In-Reply-To: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>
References: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1474159438.743581.1613134361078@mail.yahoo.com>

 

 It never ends?
 So true, so true.
BTW, the sealed beam halogens I've seen don't use any more power than stock headlights, they just put out more light.? They do a pretty good job and are quite reasonable in price.? At one point I bought a pair of cheap headlights with separate bulbs (not a name brand like Cibe or Hella) and the performance was poor.? I even fit 100W bulbs.? I replaced those with hardware store sealed beam halogens with the stock 40/45W filaments and the difference was remarkable.? Why?? The reflector is a critical part of the light projection system and that is just what a headlight is, a light projector.? It projects the light in a particular pattern to optimize visibility.? Just throwing out a bunch of light at random doesn't necessarily put it where you want it and will blind on-coming traffic.
But you won't NEED to upgrade the alternator if you go with sealed beam halogen headlights but if you WANT to upgrade, have at it.
Enjoy
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: WILLIAM SMITH <smithwm845 at gmail.com>
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 11, 2021 9:20 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection

Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and 
recommendations.? As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the 
'72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to 
the inner side of the front valance.? As my car is not back yet from the 
body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection until 
I get it back.? However, I do have the original valance and spotted the 
tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply --- thanks 
Dave! ? If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten the lights, 
I'll have to probe further.

As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying 
with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.? As the original 
headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing the relay 
with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would probably call for 
an alternator upgrade, as well.? It never ends?

Bill Smith

'72 TR6

'80 TR7

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From john at linneyweb.com  Fri Feb 12 11:33:01 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:33:01 -0800
Subject: [TR] Headlight round Connection
In-Reply-To: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>
References: <4930f47f-60d7-5598-e1fe-8688fc458a25@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <467F7196-B068-4539-A794-A0BFE8E8E761@linneyweb.com>

I have sealed beams and relays on my TR4. The generator copes just fine and the lights are bright. 

> On Feb 11, 2021, at 7:23 PM, WILLIAM SMITH <smithwm845 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten the lights, I'll have to probe further.
> 
> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
> 
> Bill Smith
> 
> '72 TR6
> 
> '80 TR7
> 
> 
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Fri Feb 12 12:52:31 2021
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:52:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?
Message-ID: <009901d70178$9a79b610$cf6d2230$@optonline.net>

All -

    Is there a registry of known TR250s?  I friend of a friend is looking
for the TR250 he bought new in England and sold here in the states in the
80s.

I have the VIN and engine #.  I looked at the Auto Shrine Registry and the
car is not there. Thanks for any info you can provide.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY  

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Feb 12 14:48:43 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 16:48:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?
In-Reply-To: <009901d70178$9a79b610$cf6d2230$@optonline.net>
References: <009901d70178$9a79b610$cf6d2230$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <008f01d70188$d6d3be20$847b3a60$@uprichard.net>

A guy called Drew Holliday in OK recently put this together.

 

"To all, with the help of Greg Dito I have compiled a current running list
of TR250/5s that are known to exist in the 21st century. With a little help
from everyone I would like to expand and correct this list. I am including a
like to the current list, please check it and if you have a car to add or
details to amend please email me at:
 <mailto:tr250info at gmail.com> tr250info at gmail.com

 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycZ2o6UiAcHK6QksaRXBCH_uvjcRXpny/view?usp=
sharing>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycZ2o6UiAcHK6QksaRXBCH_uvjcRXpny/view?usp=s
haring

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI




 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
dctr6 at optonline.net
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 2:53 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?

 

All -

    Is there a registry of known TR250s?  I friend of a friend is looking
for the TR250 he bought new in England and sold here in the states in the
80s.

I have the VIN and engine #.  I looked at the Auto Shrine Registry and the
car is not there. Thanks for any info you can provide.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY  

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Feb 12 14:56:09 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:56:09 -0800
Subject: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFxa1-_pEnYLNWciq5Qn2P5XvVW24LadvAsGDDdmSc+2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Used on many Triumph. They are used on the planetary gears. Looked on the
usual UK sites and here in USA.  No longer available.
Thanks. Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Fri Feb 12 15:25:30 2021
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:25:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?
In-Reply-To: <008f01d70188$d6d3be20$847b3a60$@uprichard.net>
References: <009901d70178$9a79b610$cf6d2230$@optonline.net>
 <008f01d70188$d6d3be20$847b3a60$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <00c901d7018d$f995a770$ecc0f650$@optonline.net>

Andrew - 

    Thanks for the info.  It turns out the guy who contacted me has already
been in contact with Drew so I will let them 

hash this out.  His car (CD3903L) is not on the list - he sold it in the
'80s and he's looking for it.   I'm sure Drew will be able to help more than
I can.

Dennis (CF57948U) 

 

From: auprichard at uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:49 PM
To: dctr6 at optonline.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR250 Registry?

 

A guy called Drew Holliday in OK recently put this together.

 

"To all, with the help of Greg Dito I have compiled a current running list
of TR250/5s that are known to exist in the 21st century. With a little help
from everyone I would like to expand and correct this list. I am including a
like to the current list, please check it and if you have a car to add or
details to amend please email me at:
 <mailto:tr250info at gmail.com> tr250info at gmail.com

 
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycZ2o6UiAcHK6QksaRXBCH_uvjcRXpny/view?usp=
sharing>
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycZ2o6UiAcHK6QksaRXBCH_uvjcRXpny/view?usp=s
haring

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI




 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dctr6 at optonline.net
<mailto:dctr6 at optonline.net> 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 2:53 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?

 

All -

    Is there a registry of known TR250s?  I friend of a friend is looking
for the TR250 he bought new in England and sold here in the states in the
80s.

I have the VIN and engine #.  I looked at the Auto Shrine Registry and the
car is not there. Thanks for any info you can provide.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY  

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From glewis999 at aol.com  Fri Feb 12 15:39:47 2021
From: glewis999 at aol.com (glewis999)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:39:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?
In-Reply-To: <00c901d7018d$f995a770$ecc0f650$@optonline.net>
References: <009901d70178$9a79b610$cf6d2230$@optonline.net>
 <008f01d70188$d6d3be20$847b3a60$@uprichard.net>
 <00c901d7018d$f995a770$ecc0f650$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1643001306.1234544.1613169587828@mail.yahoo.com>

Try the TR250/5 Registrar at the UK TR Register, the car may have been exported to the UK.


Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Friday, February 12, 2021, 10:26 pm, dctr6 at optonline.net <dctr6 at optonline.net> wrote:

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Andrew ? 

????Thanks for the info.? It turns out the guy who contacted me has already been in contact with Drew so I will let them 

hash this out.? His car (CD3903L) is not on the list - he sold it in the ?80s and he?s looking for it.?? I?m sure Drew will be able to help more than I can.

Dennis (CF57948U) 

 ?

From: auprichard at uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 4:49 PM
To: dctr6 at optonline.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR250 Registry?

 ?

A guy called Drew Holliday in OK recently put this together.

 ?

?To all, with the help of Greg Dito I have compiled a current running list of TR250/5s that are known to exist in the 21st century. With a little help from everyone I would like to expand?and correct this list. I am including a like to the current list, please check it and if you have a car to add or details to amend please email me at:
tr250info at gmail.com

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ycZ2o6UiAcHK6QksaRXBCH_uvjcRXpny/view?usp=sharing

 ?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI




 ?

 ?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dctr6 at optonline.net
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 2:53 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR250 Registry?

 ?

All ?

??? Is there a registry of known TR250s?? I friend of a friend is looking for the TR250 he bought new in England and sold here in the states in the 80s.

I have the VIN and engine #. ?I looked at the Auto Shrine Registry and the car is not there. Thanks for any info you can provide.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY ?
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From lee at automate-it.com  Fri Feb 12 16:31:52 2021
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 17:31:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFxa1-_pEnYLNWciq5Qn2P5XvVW24LadvAsGDDdmSc+2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFxa1-_pEnYLNWciq5Qn2P5XvVW24LadvAsGDDdmSc+2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29bf02f57cfac9855b2b7f4ab1bf870e@automate-it.com>

So this washer is ".051 to .053 inch thick". Note that next one up in
thickness, 142166 (".053 to .055 inch thick"), is indeed available for
$6.25 from TRF (see
http://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/105.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200 ).  

But the question is whether this flat or instead domed? If it's flat,
you might be able to polish it down a couple of thousandths; that's not
as easy if it's domed. I don't know how critical this thickness is -
maybe you can get by with one .002 thicker?  

Lee  

On 2021-02-12 15:56, Sujit Roy wrote:

> Used on many Triumph. They are used on the planetary gears. Looked on the usual UK sites and here in USA.  No longer available. 
> Thanks. Sujit
> -- 
> 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California 
> 
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From tochilds at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb 12 19:39:06 2021
From: tochilds at bellsouth.net (tochilds)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 21:39:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166?
In-Reply-To: <29bf02f57cfac9855b2b7f4ab1bf870e@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.26.1613183964.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

From past experience,? I? can confirm that these?washers are, indeed, domed.??TonySent from my Galaxy Tab? S2
-------- Original message --------From: lee at automate-it.com Date: 2/12/21  6:31 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166? 
So this washer is ".051 to .053 inch thick". Note that next one up in thickness, 142166 (".053 to .055 inch thick"), is indeed available for $6.25 from TRF?(see?http://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/105.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200?).?
But the question is whether this flat or instead domed? If it's flat,?you might be able to?polish it down a couple of thousandths; that's not as easy if it's domed. I don't know how critical this thickness is - maybe you can get by with one .002 thicker??
Lee?

On 2021-02-12 15:56, Sujit Roy wrote:

Used on many Triumph. They are used on the planetary gears. Looked on the usual UK sites and here in USA.? No longer available.
Thanks. Sujit
?
-- 


Sujit RoyCupertino, California
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Feb 13 05:40:39 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:40:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166?
In-Reply-To: <20210213023954.F0BF1A0E03@autox.team.net>
References: <20210213023954.F0BF1A0E03@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <9138C8BC-6F67-4366-8E82-438E1D1C3125@fuse.net>

Have you tried calling John Esposito at Quantummechanics.com?
(203) 463-8299
He sells parts besides just doing rebuilds. He was very helpful to me sourcing parts for my a-type overdrive rebuild and he had mentioned that he also does differentials so he may also sell differential parts.
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 12, 2021, at 9:39 PM, tochilds <tochilds at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> From past experience,  I  can confirm that these 
> washers are, indeed, domed.  
> 
> Tony
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Galaxy Tab? S2
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: lee at automate-it.com
> Date: 2/12/21 6:31 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Where can I get diff shim 142166?
> 
> So this washer is ".051 to .053 inch thick". Note that next one up in thickness, 142166 (".053 to .055 inch thick"), is indeed available for $6.25 from TRF (see http://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/105.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200 ). 
> 
> But the question is whether this flat or instead domed? If it's flat, you might be able to polish it down a couple of thousandths; that's not as easy if it's domed. I don't know how critical this thickness is - maybe you can get by with one .002 thicker? 
> 
> Lee 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2021-02-12 15:56, Sujit Roy wrote:
>> 
>> Used on many Triumph. They are used on the planetary gears. Looked on the usual UK sites and here in USA.  No longer available.
>> Thanks. Sujit
>>  
>> -- 
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>> 
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Feb 13 06:47:50 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:47:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
Message-ID: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>

I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many
features of the 4 - interesting that someone would do that.  

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm
<https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_m
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 07:30:43 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:30:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYZr=27BJZ_dU6b7it4O0sisFfrD_okzhnxVXmVSL_L=Q@mail.gmail.com>

That is interesting, doesn't look like it was a case "there happened to be
a TR4A and a TR4 sitting around, so we used the best of both to make a new
good car".  Looks like somebody had a 4A, but preferred the cosmetics of
the 4 (dash, grill, no sidelights) or maybe their idea of the ultimate 4
cylinder TR was an IRS 4 chassis with TR4 cosmetics.

Some prefer the clean look of the 4, I have to say it looks good in white.
But for looks (in my opinion) it doesn't beat a Royal Blue or Triumph
Racing green 4A.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many
> features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>
>
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
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From triumph66 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 07:36:01 2021
From: triumph66 at gmail.com (Ted)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:36:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAK23-wc6nt-HOkmheJADm6k7jLCpvEjS3H2x6XgnjOPmyqhbbQ@mail.gmail.com>

He has tried to create a TR4 from a late model 4A which mostly works to
fetch a higher sale price than the CTC 77914L build could.

I prefer 4As, but this effort pays homage to 4s higher value.

Will be interesting to see how much it sells for.

TL

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 8:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many
> features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>
>
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb 13 07:39:15 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:39:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <52eead10-5ce9-3dc4-ceed-b90e24eb47d3@adelphia.net>

Looks to be about 1/2 4 and 1/2 4a. Drivetrain 4a but body and most of 
the interior 4.

Bob

On 2/13/21 8:47 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>
> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.? It is a 4A, but has 
> many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, MI
>
>
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb 13 07:41:39 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:41:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aYZr=27BJZ_dU6b7it4O0sisFfrD_okzhnxVXmVSL_L=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
 <CAFtw3aYZr=27BJZ_dU6b7it4O0sisFfrD_okzhnxVXmVSL_L=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f20a2a01-aab7-d1e2-93be-c0d7510da62a@adelphia.net>


On 2/13/21 9:30 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> That is interesting, doesn't look like it was a case "there happened 
> to be a TR4A and a TR4 sitting around, so we used the best of both to 
> make a new good car".? Looks like somebody had a 4A, but preferred the 
> cosmetics of the 4 (dash, grill, no sidelights) or maybe their idea of 
> the ultimate 4 cylinder TR was an IRS 4 chassis with TR4 cosmetics.
>
> Some prefer the clean look of the 4, I have to say it looks good in 
> white.? But for looks (in my opinion) it doesn't beat a Royal Blue or 
> Triumph Racing green 4A.

Greg,

I did my 63 4 in Spa white. Looks great with the metal dash. For blue, I 
did my 72 6 in French Blue. I get a ton of complements. To each his own!

Bob

>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net 
> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>
>     I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.? It is a 4A, but
>     has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>
>     https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>
>     Andrew Uprichard
>
>     Jackson, MI
>
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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 07:44:40 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 06:44:40 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round Connection
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>

     Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
     Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
     I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
     But they are out of stock at the present...

     -Bill Brewer


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection

a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14 
amps for both lights (give or take....)

Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26 
amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an 
idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )

Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt 
replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.

jfft

ptegler

On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and 
> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the 
> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to 
> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from 
> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection 
> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and 
> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply 
> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten 
> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>
> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying 
> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the 
> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing 
> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would 
> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>
> Bill Smith
>
> '72 TR6
>
> '80 TR7
>
>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com




From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 07:50:00 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:50:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <f20a2a01-aab7-d1e2-93be-c0d7510da62a@adelphia.net>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
 <CAFtw3aYZr=27BJZ_dU6b7it4O0sisFfrD_okzhnxVXmVSL_L=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <f20a2a01-aab7-d1e2-93be-c0d7510da62a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZUwN_Qs6g85n2sR3uW8o_y7+U1gRXsK9sFCkEFGburzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, agree, I think the white works great with the 4s metal dash, the
chrome spears and sidelights and wood dash on the 4A contrast  well with
the dark colors.  But of course that is all very subjective.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 8:42 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

>
> On 2/13/21 9:30 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>
> That is interesting, doesn't look like it was a case "there happened to be
> a TR4A and a TR4 sitting around, so we used the best of both to make a new
> good car".  Looks like somebody had a 4A, but preferred the cosmetics of
> the 4 (dash, grill, no sidelights) or maybe their idea of the ultimate 4
> cylinder TR was an IRS 4 chassis with TR4 cosmetics.
>
> Some prefer the clean look of the 4, I have to say it looks good in
> white.  But for looks (in my opinion) it doesn't beat a Royal Blue or
> Triumph Racing green 4A.
>
> Greg,
>
> I did my 63 4 in Spa white. Looks great with the metal dash. For blue, I
> did my 72 6 in French Blue. I get a ton of complements. To each his own!
>
> Bob
>
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many
>> features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>>
>>
>>
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>
>> Jackson, MI
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb 13 08:07:25 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:07:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round
 Connection
In-Reply-To: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
 <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <660c0e4f-028e-ae5d-8f8e-55d48457192f@verizon.net>

half a dozen listed....
https://www.google.com/search?q=bosch+replacement+for+lucas+alternator&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwic4eWikefuAhVLEVkFHZ3YBesQ_AUoA3oECAcQBQ&biw=850&bih=450 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=bosch+replacement+for+lucas+alternator&client=firefox-b-1-d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwic4eWikefuAhVLEVkFHZ3YBesQ_AUoA3oECAcQBQ&biw=850&bih=450>

Fiesta was just on place that used a Bosch with a Lucas style connector

ptegler

On 2/13/2021 9:44 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>       Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
>       Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
> 	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
>       I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
> 	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
>       But they are out of stock at the present...
>
>       -Bill Brewer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection
>
> a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14
> amps for both lights (give or take....)
>
> Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26
> amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an
> idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )
>
> Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt
> replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.
>
> jfft
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and
>> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the
>> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to
>> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from
>> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection
>> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and
>> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply
>> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten
>> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>>
>> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying
>> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the
>> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing
>> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would
>> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>>
>> Bill Smith
>>
>> '72 TR6
>>
>> '80 TR7
>>
>>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb 13 08:10:24 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:10:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round
 Connection note @2
In-Reply-To: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
 <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <570788e3-86cc-4260-8ff5-21c1b059a7d3@verizon.net>

even better,,,Even on ebay and advancedauto

plenty around at under $100

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5 
<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5>

ptegler

On 2/13/2021 9:44 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>       Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
>       Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
> 	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
>       I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
> 	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
>       But they are out of stock at the present...
>
>       -Bill Brewer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection
>
> a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14
> amps for both lights (give or take....)
>
> Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26
> amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an
> idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )
>
> Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt
> replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.
>
> jfft
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and
>> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the
>> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to
>> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from
>> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection
>> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and
>> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply
>> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten
>> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>>
>> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying
>> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the
>> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing
>> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would
>> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>>
>> Bill Smith
>>
>> '72 TR6
>>
>> '80 TR7
>>
>>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb 13 08:12:12 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:12:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round
 Connection
In-Reply-To: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
 <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9c110e44-ea7a-5095-fd1f-78959011809f@verizon.net>

rockauto lists them too

ptegler

On 2/13/2021 9:44 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>       Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
>       Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
> 	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
>       I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
> 	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
>       But they are out of stock at the present...
>
>       -Bill Brewer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection
>
> a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14
> amps for both lights (give or take....)
>
> Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26
> amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an
> idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )
>
> Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt
> replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.
>
> jfft
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and
>> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the
>> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to
>> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from
>> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection
>> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and
>> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply
>> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten
>> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>>
>> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying
>> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the
>> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing
>> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would
>> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>>
>> Bill Smith
>>
>> '72 TR6
>>
>> '80 TR7
>>
>>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 08:53:22 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:53:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round
 Connection note @2
In-Reply-To: <570788e3-86cc-4260-8ff5-21c1b059a7d3@verizon.net>
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
 <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
 <570788e3-86cc-4260-8ff5-21c1b059a7d3@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <009301d70220$5c2cd510$14867f30$@yahoo.com>

     While all of these say Bosch, will they fit a TR engine? The ones I checked all said for Mercedes Benz. If you search Ebay for a 1980 Ford Fiesta alternator, essentially all of them are different from the original Bosch That I have used in the past. They may or may not fit. You can make anything fit. I have even seen Kubota alternators on TR's, but wouldn't do that myself. The original Ford Fiesta Bosch just bolted right in and everything matched.
     I recently tried fitting a GM 10si alternator into my Standard Vanguard powered Morgan (essentially the same block as a TR) and the alternator wouldn't fit. It was similar to the last GM alternator I used, but there were interferences.

     -Bill Brewer


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 7:10 AM
To: Bill Brewer; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round Connection note @2

even better,,,Even on ebay and advancedauto

plenty around at under $100

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5 
<https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5>

ptegler

On 2/13/2021 9:44 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>       Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
>       Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
> 	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
>       I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
> 	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
>       But they are out of stock at the present...
>
>       -Bill Brewer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection
>
> a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14
> amps for both lights (give or take....)
>
> Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26
> amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an
> idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )
>
> Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt
> replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.
>
> jfft
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and
>> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the
>> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to
>> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from
>> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection
>> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and
>> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply
>> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten
>> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>>
>> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying
>> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the
>> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing
>> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would
>> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>>
>> Bill Smith
>>
>> '72 TR6
>>
>> '80 TR7
>>
>>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com



From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb 13 16:55:39 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 17:55:39 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <f20a2a01-aab7-d1e2-93be-c0d7510da62a@adelphia.net>
References: <011001d7020e$d3a91430$7afb3c90$@uprichard.net>
 <CAFtw3aYZr=27BJZ_dU6b7it4O0sisFfrD_okzhnxVXmVSL_L=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <f20a2a01-aab7-d1e2-93be-c0d7510da62a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <009101d70263$bb71bc50$325534f0$@ranteer.com>

The ad states this was originally titled as a 65 model, but it was correctly reclassified as a 67.  Maybe I?m just naturally suspicious, but after taking a close look at this car I am very suspicious.  Maybe a tr4 put on a 4a chassis with irs?  I don?t trust this.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 8:42 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT

 

 

On 2/13/21 9:30 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:

That is interesting, doesn't look like it was a case "there happened to be a TR4A and a TR4 sitting around, so we used the best of both to make a new good car".  Looks like somebody had a 4A, but preferred the cosmetics of the 4 (dash, grill, no sidelights) or maybe their idea of the ultimate 4 cylinder TR was an IRS 4 chassis with TR4 cosmetics.   

 

Some prefer the clean look of the 4, I have to say it looks good in white.  But for looks (in my opinion) it doesn't beat a Royal Blue or Triumph Racing green 4A.

Greg,

I did my 63 4 in Spa white. Looks great with the metal dash. For blue, I did my 72 6 in French Blue. I get a ton of complements. To each his own!

Bob

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:

I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.  

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 17:39:50 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 18:39:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
In-Reply-To: <009101d70263$bb71bc50$325534f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <009101d70263$bb71bc50$325534f0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1F578008-AE16-4ECD-8696-A7BFF389B660@yahoo.com>

Going to a rental agency, maybe they had it built without the 4A trim?  Odd too is that the BMIHT Cert is unsigned.
Just sayin,
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 13, 2021, at 5:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
The ad states this was originally titled as a 65 model, but it was correctly reclassified as a 67.  Maybe I?m just naturally suspicious, but after taking a close look at this car I am very suspicious.  Maybe a tr4 put on a 4a chassis with irs?  I don?t trust this.
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 8:42 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting TR4 / TR4A on BAT
 
 

On 2/13/21 9:30 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
That is interesting, doesn't look like it was a case "there happened to be a TR4A and a TR4 sitting around, so we used the best of both to make a new good car".  Looks like somebody had a 4A, but preferred the cosmetics of the 4 (dash, grill, no sidelights) or maybe their idea of the ultimate 4 cylinder TR was an IRS 4 chassis with TR4 cosmetics.  
 
Some prefer the clean look of the 4, I have to say it looks good in white.  But for looks (in my opinion) it doesn't beat a Royal Blue or Triumph Racing green 4A.
Greg,

I did my 63 4 in Spa white. Looks great with the metal dash. For blue, I did my 72 6 in French Blue. I get a ton of complements. To each his own!

Bob

 
Greg Lemon
TR250
 
On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that. 
 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb 13 19:45:12 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:45:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round
 Connection note @2
In-Reply-To: <009301d70220$5c2cd510$14867f30$@yahoo.com>
References: <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$.ref@yahoo.com>
 <008501d70216$c3110e90$49332bb0$@yahoo.com>
 <570788e3-86cc-4260-8ff5-21c1b059a7d3@verizon.net>
 <009301d70220$5c2cd510$14867f30$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2b29a518-ecdd-3093-c029-0d5b6564404a@verizon.net>

I personally have a 10si in FIS6 (6 cyl TR) without any fitment issues
for the one I used, I simply swapped out the serpentine belt pulley for 
a stock fan belt pulley

Ha...funny part... I'm in MD. the last alt that went in was in the 
middle of nowhere in Sandusky Ohio during a looonnng road trip to Mid 
Ohio races. The local O'Reilys where I got the replacement, even lent me 
a battery powered impact driver driver and let me swap pulleys on a work 
bench in back.

ptegler

On 2/13/2021 10:53 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>       While all of these say Bosch, will they fit a TR engine? The ones I checked all said for Mercedes Benz. If you search Ebay for a 1980 Ford Fiesta alternator, essentially all of them are different from the original Bosch That I have used in the past. They may or may not fit. You can make anything fit. I have even seen Kubota alternators on TR's, but wouldn't do that myself. The original Ford Fiesta Bosch just bolted right in and everything matched.
>       I recently tried fitting a GM 10si alternator into my Standard Vanguard powered Morgan (essentially the same block as a TR) and the alternator wouldn't fit. It was similar to the last GM alternator I used, but there were interferences.
>
>       -Bill Brewer
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 7:10 AM
> To: Bill Brewer; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: Ford Fiesta Bosch Alternator - was Headlight round Connection note @2
>
> even better,,,Even on ebay and advancedauto
>
> plenty around at under $100
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5
> <https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&ei=T-snYN71ArTk5NoPsYiz-AE&q=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&oq=1978+Fiesta+Alternator&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsAMyBwgAEEcQsANQ5dACWOXQAmDq1AJoA3ABeACAAUWIAX6SAQEymAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBBMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz&ved=0ahUKEwie2ZvykefuAhU0MlkFHTHEDB8Q4dUDCAw&uact=5>
>
> ptegler
>
> On 2/13/2021 9:44 AM, Bill Brewer wrote:
>>        Good luck finding a Ford Fiesta alternator. I bought one about 10 years ago for a TR6 and they were everywhere and cheap. About a year ago I wanted one for a Morgan and they were nowhere to be found. I found some originals in France on Ebay, but they were not rebuilt or anything and they wanted over $300 + shipping. The other ones I found were always Remy "Bosch replacement", Motorcraft or "Fits" Fiesta alternator and they weren't even close to what I was looking for.
>>        Does anyone have a source for the original Fiesta Bosch alternator? I think that I got my last one from RockAuto and they don't have them now.
>> 	https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/ford,1980,fiesta,1.6l+98cid+l4,1128293,electrical,alternator+/+generator,2412
>>        I ended up using a Dyno-alt from British Parts Northwest and have been happy. Looking like a generator but is an alternator. Looks great in the Morgan.
>> 	https://www.bpnorthwest.com/triumph/tr2-tr3-tr4-tr4a/engine-electrical/charging-system/alternator-generator-new-tr2-to-tr4a.html
>>        But they are out of stock at the present...
>>
>>        -Bill Brewer
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Tegler [mailto:ptegler at verizon.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 7:42 PM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Headlight round Connection
>>
>> a typical 55W high beam headlamp =    55W / 13.5V = 4.07 Amps x2 = 8.14
>> amps for both lights (give or take....)
>>
>> Your stock alt should be fine while driving. BUT  The typical Lucas 26
>> amp alternator though, is notorious for dropping out of regulation at an
>> idle which does pull more current (55W / 12V = 4.5A. )
>>
>> Unless your stuck on being super' original'...find a Bosch alt
>> replacement. ('78 fiesta?) The stock Lucas connector will plug right in.
>>
>> jfft
>>
>> ptegler
>>
>> On 2/11/2021 10:20 PM, WILLIAM SMITH wrote:
>>> Thanks to everyone who responded with possible answers and
>>> recommendations.  As usual, I believe Dave Massey was spot-on with the
>>> '72 headlight ground connection being a push-on connector attached to
>>> the inner side of the front valance.  As my car is not back yet from
>>> the body shop (long story/TMI), I can't actually test that connection
>>> until I get it back.  However, I do have the original valance and
>>> spotted the tab for the connector after Dave mentioned it in his reply
>>> --- thanks Dave!   If cleaning that ground connection doesn't brighten
>>> the lights, I'll have to probe further.
>>>
>>> As for those who suggested the headlight relay kit, I've been toying
>>> with that idea for a while, so thanks for reminding me.  As the
>>> original headlights were never bright enough, I was thinking of doing
>>> the relay with a set of halogen sealed beams. Oh, and that would
>>> probably call for an alternator upgrade, as well.  It never ends?
>>>
>>> Bill Smith
>>>
>>> '72 TR6
>>>
>>> '80 TR7
>>>
>>>
-- 
Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Feb 14 09:18:01 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:18:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners
Message-ID: <000001d702ec$f97bb350$ec7319f0$@uprichard.net>

I am starting the interior on my long-door TR2 and was wondering how the
door cappings should be finished off.  I have had TR3s with the material
folded over at both ends, and others with buttons.  What should the TR2
have?  What do you have on your cars?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From john at linneyweb.com  Sun Feb 14 11:18:32 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:18:32 -0800
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners
In-Reply-To: <000001d702ec$f97bb350$ec7319f0$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d702ec$f97bb350$ec7319f0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <400CF26E-9882-4C70-939F-CE03AEB577E8@linneyweb.com>

Here?s part of a still from a film I made of a long door which will be released soon. Does this help? This is a restored interior so may not be done to the original design.



Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 14, 2021, at 8:18 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am starting the interior on my long-door TR2 and was wondering how the door cappings should be finished off.  I have had TR3s with the material folded over at both ends, and others with buttons.  What should the TR2 have?  What do you have on your cars?
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 14 11:29:33 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:29:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners
In-Reply-To: <000001d702ec$f97bb350$ec7319f0$@uprichard.net>
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>From piggot's book, long door TR2s



 



 





 



 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
auprichard at uprichard.net
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 10:18 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners

 

I am starting the interior on my long-door TR2 and was wondering how the
door cappings should be finished off.  I have had TR3s with the material
folded over at both ends, and others with buttons.  What should the TR2
have?  What do you have on your cars?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From carlsereda at aol.com  Sun Feb 14 15:21:55 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 22:21:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] bring trailer TR4A
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1613329202.30455.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 Looks like someone had very fond memories of a TR4 (the car looks 90% 4A) and they had plenty of funds for a 'nut and bolt' restoration.. And looks like they knew what they were doing.. and did it to a very high standard.
The ad makes it pretty plain.. "it's a TR4A with 'back-dated' items". I prefer leaving the T R I U M P H lettering on hood in either case.I wouldn't be surprized if someone spent $30,000.00 on that restoration.
Regards, and good luck if you're bidding!
Carl'63 TR4 since '74
(with; 4A 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, 4A cam, 4A 6-bladed tropical fan)


On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:

I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.? It is a 4A, but has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.? 

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Sun Feb 14 15:45:25 2021
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 22:45:25 +0000
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners
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Andrew,

Please find attached pics of our TR2 (TS537L) supplied to Charles Runyon when he asked the same question.

The cappings are factory originals in blackberry.

I'm also currently redoing the TR2's interior - this time in "my" version of geranium which according to the build record, the car had when it left the factory.  I've come to wonder about this however as most of the interior components removed are definitely factory blackberry - you can tell by the way the pieces are cut.  Also, when I removed the vinyl from the glovebox door, "blackberry" was scribbled on the door.

Also attached are a few pics of my door cappings showing

  *   3 of the actual end cappings - the red one is my reproduction
  *   a drawing of the 4 components reflecting tracings
  *   one of my finished pieces duplicating the original

Hope this helps.

Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca>
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net
Sent: February 14, 2021 11:18 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners

I am starting the interior on my long-door TR2 and was wondering how the door cappings should be finished off.  I have had TR3s with the material folded over at both ends, and others with buttons.  What should the TR2 have?  What do you have on your cars?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From john at linneyweb.com  Sun Feb 14 17:29:37 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 16:29:37 -0800
Subject: [TR] bring trailer TR4A
In-Reply-To: <2003213337.1690830.1613341315878@mail.yahoo.com>
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This was bid to $21K and did not meet reserve last time it was on BaT. Although it is great work I think a lot of buyers will know these cars and be put a little off. Not too much work, but a couple of thousand in parts to make it a real TR4A. Wood dash, gear shift pedestal, dash trim, bonnet emblem, grill, trunk badge, bonnet TRIUMPH lettering, side markers and chrome strip.

> On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Looks like someone had very fond memories of a TR4 (the car looks 90% 4A) and they had plenty of funds for a 'nut and bolt' restoration.. And looks like they knew what they were doing.. and did it to a very high standard.
> The ad makes it pretty plain.. "it's a TR4A with 'back-dated' items". I prefer leaving the T R I U M P H lettering on hood in either case.
> I wouldn't be surprized if someone spent $30,000.00 on that restoration.
> Regards, and good luck if you're bidding!
> Carl
> '63 TR4 since '74
> (with; 4A 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, 4A cam, 4A 6-bladed tropical fan)
> 
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:
> 
> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.  
> 
> 
> 
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> 
> Jackson, MI
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 14 17:46:41 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 18:46:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] bring trailer TR4A
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$21K is WAAAY  too much for that.  Way too much.  Undoubtedly the guy who did this is very proud of this abomination.

 

I hope it does not go anywhere near that this time

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Linney
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:30 PM
To: Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] bring trailer TR4A

 

This was bid to $21K and did not meet reserve last time it was on BaT. Although it is great work I think a lot of buyers will know these cars and be put a little off. Not too much work, but a couple of thousand in parts to make it a real TR4A. Wood dash, gear shift pedestal, dash trim, bonnet emblem, grill, trunk badge, bonnet TRIUMPH lettering, side markers and chrome strip.

 

On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com <mailto:carlsereda at aol.com> > wrote:

? 

Looks like someone had very fond memories of a TR4 (the car looks 90% 4A) and they had plenty of funds for a 'nut and bolt' restoration.. And looks like they knew what they were doing.. and did it to a very high standard.

The ad makes it pretty plain.. "it's a TR4A with 'back-dated' items". I prefer leaving the T R I U M P H lettering on hood in either case.

I wouldn't be surprized if someone spent $30,000.00 on that restoration.

Regards, and good luck if you're bidding!

Carl

'63 TR4 since '74

(with; 4A 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, 4A cam, 4A 6-bladed tropical fan)

 

On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>  <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > > wrote:

 

I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.  

 

 

 

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm  <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm> <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm <https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13

 

 

 

Andrew Uprichard

 

Jackson, MI

 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 14 17:50:49 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 18:50:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
Message-ID: <002f01d70334$9ae683e0$d0b38ba0$@ranteer.com>

This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.  There was a
lot of stinky smoke.

 

Anyone have any idea what caused this?  or seen anything like this before?
It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.  No more than 10k miles ago.

 

I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20's.  let it idle for
probably 10 or 15 minutes.  Drove a few miles and smelled it.  pulled off
and popped the hood.  Lots of smoke coming out.

 

Towed it home and ordered a new starter.

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Feb 14 18:11:37 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 01:11:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
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References: <002f01d70334$9ae683e0$d0b38ba0$@ranteer.com>
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 It probably failed to disengage once the engine started.? That could be a fault with the keyswitch.? I know mine hangs up when cold, too.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2021 6:50 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Feb 14 18:19:44 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 19:19:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] bring trailer TR4A
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I think abomination is a little strong.  It is all Triumph spec parts, not
a chain store steering wheel and seat covers. I think somebody had a vision
of what they wanted and carried it off pretty well.

Not my vision, and obviously not factory correct, but we'll executed.  The
IRS chassis is never going to feel like a TR4, but should be a very nice
ride.  I agree it shouldn't bring the money a factory correct car, but the
Michelloti TRs are finally getting the recognition they deserve, and Bring
a Trailer generally brings top dollar, well above Craigslist and local club
sales.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Feb 14, 2021, 6:47 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> $21K is WAAAY  too much for that.  Way too much.  Undoubtedly the guy who
> did this is very proud of this abomination.
>
>
>
> I hope it does not go anywhere near that this time
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *John
> Linney
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 14, 2021 6:30 PM
> *To:* Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com>
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] bring trailer TR4A
>
>
>
> This was bid to $21K and did not meet reserve last time it was on BaT.
> Although it is great work I think a lot of buyers will know these cars and
> be put a little off. Not too much work, but a couple of thousand in parts
> to make it a real TR4A. Wood dash, gear shift pedestal, dash trim, bonnet
> emblem, grill, trunk badge, bonnet TRIUMPH lettering, side markers and
> chrome strip.
>
>
>
> On Feb 14, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Looks like someone had very fond memories of a TR4 (the car looks 90% 4A)
> and they had plenty of funds for a 'nut and bolt' restoration.. And looks
> like they knew what they were doing.. and did it to a very high standard.
>
> The ad makes it pretty plain.. "it's a TR4A with 'back-dated' items". I
> prefer leaving the T R I U M P H lettering on hood in either case.
>
> I wouldn't be surprized if someone spent $30,000.00 on that restoration.
>
> Regards, and good luck if you're bidding!
>
> Carl
>
> '63 TR4 since '74
>
> (with; 4A 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, 4A cam, 4A 6-bladed tropical fan)
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021, 7:48 AM <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:
> auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:
>
>
>
> I just came across this TR4 on Bring a Trailer.  It is a 4A, but has many
> features of the 4 ? interesting that someone would do that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm <
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13>
> &utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
>
>
> Jackson, MI
>
>
>
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Feb 14 18:46:31 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:46:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
In-Reply-To: <002f01d70334$9ae683e0$d0b38ba0$@ranteer.com>
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Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don't want to make fun of the
situation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? But
usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were the
battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter

 

This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.  There was a
lot of stinky smoke.

 

Anyone have any idea what caused this?  or seen anything like this before?
It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.  No more than 10k miles ago.

 

I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20's.  let it idle for
probably 10 or 15 minutes.  Drove a few miles and smelled it.  pulled off
and popped the hood.  Lots of smoke coming out.

 

Towed it home and ordered a new starter.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 14 19:29:42 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 20:29:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
In-Reply-To: <005c01d7033c$62956d00$27c04700$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.27.1613356187.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Thats the solenoid.? I'm pretty sure it fried.? ?Nothing else looks amiss.? But it could have stuck. No way of knowing
-------- Original message --------From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> Date: 2/14/21  7:46 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don?t want to make fun of the situation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? But usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were the battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating??Alex Thomson?From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of daveSent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PMTo: triumphs at autox.team.netSubject: [TR] TR6 starter?This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.? There was a lot of stinky smoke.?Anyone have any idea what caused this?? or seen anything like this before?? It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.? No more than 10k miles ago.?I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20?s.? let it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes.? Drove a few miles and smelled it.? pulled off and popped the hood.? Lots of smoke coming out.?Towed it home and ordered a new starter.
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From lherault at verizon.net  Sun Feb 14 19:39:52 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 21:39:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 42
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It looks to me like a rodent nest.  Had the car been sitting for a while?

Ron L


Message: 5
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 18:50:49 -0600
From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
Message-ID: <002f01d70334$9ae683e0$d0b38ba0$@ranteer.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.  There was a
lot of stinky smoke.

 

Anyone have any idea what caused this?  or seen anything like this before?
It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.  No more than 10k miles ago.

 

I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20's.  let it idle for
probably 10 or 15 minutes.  Drove a few miles and smelled it.  pulled off
and popped the hood.  Lots of smoke coming out.

 

Towed it home and ordered a new starter.

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Feb 14 20:23:02 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 03:23:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
In-Reply-To: <20210215023401.AE041A0FC3@autox.team.net>
References: <005c01d7033c$62956d00$27c04700$@charter.net>,
 <20210215023401.AE041A0FC3@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB1461ED519DD4A96BBE0C95CAFA889@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I?d guess that the field coil in the solenoid had a short to ground, and the short circuit current heated the coil insulating material to the point of a fire.

Cliff

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: dave<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter

Thats the solenoid.  I'm pretty sure it fried.   Nothing else looks amiss.  But it could have stuck. No way of knowing

-------- Original message --------
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
Date: 2/14/21 7:46 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter

Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don?t want to make fun of the situation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? But usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were the battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating?

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter

This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.  There was a lot of stinky smoke.

Anyone have any idea what caused this?  or seen anything like this before?  It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.  No more than 10k miles ago.

I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20?s.  let it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes.  Drove a few miles and smelled it.  pulled off and popped the hood.  Lots of smoke coming out.

Towed it home and ordered a new starter.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb 14 20:33:02 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 21:33:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 42
In-Reply-To: <003e01d70343$d6d00c50$847024f0$@net>
Message-ID: <mailman.28.1613359987.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Haha no.? That is burned material
-------- Original message --------From: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> Date: 2/14/21  8:40 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 42 It looks to me like a rodent nest.? Had the car been sitting for a while?Ron LMessage: 5Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 18:50:49 -0600From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>Subject: [TR] TR6 starterMessage-ID: <002f01d70334$9ae683e0$d0b38ba0$@ranteer.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.? There was alot of stinky smoke. Anyone have any idea what caused this?? or seen anything like this before?It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.? No more than 10k miles ago. I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20's.? let it idle forprobably 10 or 15 minutes.? Drove a few miles and smelled it.? pulled offand popped the hood.? Lots of smoke coming out. Towed it home and ordered a new starter.-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL:<http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20210214/1700d957/attachment.htm>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: 20210213_212616.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 3277357 bytesDesc: not availableURL:<http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20210214/1700d957/attachment.jpg>-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: 4A747E05.jpgType: image/jpegSize: 3101905 bytesDesc: not availableURL:<http://autox.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/attachments/20210214/1700d957/attachment-0001.jpg>------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________Triumphs mailing listTriumphs at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs------------------------------End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 42****************************************** triumphs at autox.team.net **Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave at ranteer.com
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb 15 07:02:30 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:02:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter
In-Reply-To: <20210215023332.1F041A0FA4@autox.team.net>
References: <005c01d7033c$62956d00$27c04700$@charter.net>
 <20210215023332.1F041A0FA4@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <536979972.1475591.1613397750059@mail.yahoo.com>

 Actually that's the motor.? If you look closely you can see the commutator.
Yes you'd think you would hear that but we don't know how loud is exhaust is.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2021 8:29 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter

Thats the solenoid.? I'm pretty sure it fried.? ?Nothing else looks amiss.? But it could have stuck. No way of knowing
-------- Original message --------From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> Date: 2/14/21 7:46 PM (GMT-06:00) To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 starter 
Uh Oh! The smoke came out of the wires! I don?t want to make fun of the situation but could it be a sticking starter that never disengaged? But usually, you would think that you would hear that. What condition were the battery cables in? Did they show signs of overheating??Alex Thomson?From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 7:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter?This is a high torque starter that I just pulled out of my TR6.? There was a lot of stinky smoke.?Anyone have any idea what caused this?? or seen anything like this before?? It must be about 10 or even 15 years old.? No more than 10k miles ago.?I started the car the other day; it was in the mid 20?s.? let it idle for probably 10 or 15 minutes.? Drove a few miles and smelled it.? pulled off and popped the hood.? Lots of smoke coming out.?Towed it home and ordered a new starter.** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Feb 15 08:36:10 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:36:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners
References: <000001d702ec$f97bb350$ec7319f0$@uprichard.net>
 <YQXPR0101MB0789916F09FE732FCE315427D4899@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <000001d703b0$4ac87ea0$e0597be0$@uprichard.net>

Thank you to everyone who replied.  Looks like the TR2 door capping was
tucked, not buttoned.

 

Next question:  does anyone have a better picture of the long door seal used
in the long-door TR2s?  I have attached a period picture of what I am
talking about.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca <mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca> > 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 5:45 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> ;
triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: RE: [TR] Question for TR2 owners

 

Andrew,

 

Please find attached pics of our TR2 (TS537L) supplied to Charles Runyon
when he asked the same question.  

 

The cappings are factory originals in blackberry.  

 

I'm also currently redoing the TR2's interior - this time in "my" version of
geranium which according to the build record, the car had when it left the
factory.  I've come to wonder about this however as most of the interior
components removed are definitely factory blackberry - you can tell by the
way the pieces are cut.  Also, when I removed the vinyl from the glovebox
door, "blackberry" was scribbled on the door.

 

Also attached are a few pics of my door cappings showing  

*	3 of the actual end cappings - the red one is my reproduction 
*	a drawing of the 4 components reflecting tracings 
*	one of my finished pieces duplicating the original 

 

Hope this helps.

 

Brian

_____________________________________________________

Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:
<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca> Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca

92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947

Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  

Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920

 

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of
auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Sent: February 14, 2021 11:18 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Question for TR2 owners

 

I am starting the interior on my long-door TR2 and was wondering how the
door cappings should be finished off.  I have had TR3s with the material
folded over at both ends, and others with buttons.  What should the TR2
have?  What do you have on your cars?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Feb 17 07:57:19 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:57:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] cloth wiring tape
Message-ID: <000a01d7053d$31ce5a30$956b0e90$@ranteer.com>

Has anyone found a source for cloth wiring tape with the yellow marks like
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 17 09:11:00 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:11:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] cloth wiring tape
In-Reply-To: <000a01d7053d$31ce5a30$956b0e90$@ranteer.com>
References: <000a01d7053d$31ce5a30$956b0e90$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1FA19EF5-0D1C-4A24-9EAA-E6F641B1BAB1@yahoo.com>

Are you looking for just the tape to DIY cover your harness?  I know Auto Sparks uses what your looking for in their harnesses but it is a machine applied process.
If interested contact Debbie at: sales at autosparks.co.uk 

NFI,
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 17, 2021, at 8:58 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Has anyone found a source for cloth wiring tape with the yellow marks like on TR3?s?
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 17 10:26:38 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:26:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day 2021
In-Reply-To: <E4DA6A32-0B07-4622-9682-D0515C3FEFC1@mac.com>
References: <E4DA6A32-0B07-4622-9682-D0515C3FEFC1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <484E2A80-EFE6-4881-80B1-1382DBD759EF@yahoo.com>

Rye, thanks fir putting this all together.  So good to see so many interesting TRs in a single slide show.  Interesting too are many of the fantastic venues, including shops, of these snaps. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 17, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

?
Google is telling me I?ve reached my sending limit and this email did not go out so I?m sending with my personal account.  I apologize if you?ve already received this.

***************************************************

Thank you everyone!
 
Thank you for participating in Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10th, 2021.  
 
Thank you to those who organized a drive for your club.
 
Thank you to those who got their Triumph out for a fun drive.
 
Thank you for having fun with this and taking your car out into the snow for a quick photo, or open the garage door for a photo with snow outside, or your car in restoration.
 
When you view the 512 photos submitted, consider all these Triumph and Standard owners were involved with their cars and taking a photo, all over the world, all during those 24 hours on February 10th for Sir John Blacks birthday.  It?s pretty amazing.
 
With this crazy pandemic resulting in lockdowns and socially distanced gatherings, and Feb 10 falling on a Wednesday, I wondered if participation would suffer.  Evidently not.  Close to 200 more Triumph & Standard owners participated than last year.  Even that figure is a bit misleading when I hear that the Triumph Car Club of Victoria in Australia had 65 cars and 106 people attend a drive and lunch in Mornington.
 
Be sure and save the date on your calendar for next year.  Thursday, February 10th, 2022.
 
To view the photos, go to: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com
 
Regards,
 
Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 18 17:34:23 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:34:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
Message-ID: <083601d70656$f8c84eb0$ea58ec10$@gmail.com>

What's the best means to determine if the front suspension trunnions are
worn and in need of replacement?  I have a 67 4A IRS with 72k orig miles and
am redoing all of the suspension.  Would like to test to see if trunnions
are bad or still good.  Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A Neville
62 4 Simon
67 4A Sir Charles
75 6 Ms. Molly (bad ass)
81 8 Sir Stirling




From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Feb 18 18:02:59 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 20:02:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
In-Reply-To: <083601d70656$f8c84eb0$ea58ec10$@gmail.com>
References: <083601d70656$f8c84eb0$ea58ec10$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08E407B25F614523A6ED0E9A1CF76E99@VlackTK121647>

TRF had an inventory reduction sale on TR4A/6 trunnions a few weeks ago. 
Good price and I bought a pair, visually look like good parts.

To answer your question.
1. Check the hole for the thru bold for wear. If any replace them.
2. Check the acme threads to upright fit for slop and or rough motion. Check 
the upright threads as well for same.
3. While you're checking stuff be sure to check the thru bolt and control 
arm bushings too and replace that stuff if necessary. Lots of potential wear 
points in the bottom joint area.
4. In assembled condition but with a jack under the spring pan to take the 
weight of the car try to move the wheel / tire assembly as you would with 
ball joints looking for movement in and out and up and down.
5. If all checks good then disassemble, clean and lube with new oil or 
grease whichever you prefer. I've used grease for years but the manual 
actually calls for more of an oil. Some use OMC outdrive pump to inject oil 
in lieu of grease. Pick your poison.

Mine are the originals from 1966 and I bought new ones because I wanted too 
as they were a really good deal. I will be checking mine this spring and 
cleaning and re=lubing them as part of a general once over before driving 
season and checking the fit of the new TRF parts.

Let us know what you find.

JVV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 7:34 PM
To: 'TR3 Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear

What's the best means to determine if the front suspension trunnions are
worn and in need of replacement?  I have a 67 4A IRS with 72k orig miles and
am redoing all of the suspension.  Would like to test to see if trunnions
are bad or still good.  Any thoughts?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A Neville
62 4 Simon
67 4A Sir Charles
75 6 Ms. Molly (bad ass)
81 8 Sir Stirling



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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 19 05:59:29 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:59:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
In-Reply-To: <08E407B25F614523A6ED0E9A1CF76E99@VlackTK121647>
References: <08E407B25F614523A6ED0E9A1CF76E99@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <1E34B3E3-BCC0-4012-AC22-32E2B8BCB040@gmail.com>

Thanks for the advice. Jim 

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 8:03 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?TRF had an inventory reduction sale on TR4A/6 trunnions a few weeks ago. Good price and I bought a pair, visually look like good parts.
> 
> To answer your question.
> 1. Check the hole for the thru bold for wear. If any replace them.
> 2. Check the acme threads to upright fit for slop and or rough motion. Check the upright threads as well for same.
> 3. While you're checking stuff be sure to check the thru bolt and control arm bushings too and replace that stuff if necessary. Lots of potential wear points in the bottom joint area.
> 4. In assembled condition but with a jack under the spring pan to take the weight of the car try to move the wheel / tire assembly as you would with ball joints looking for movement in and out and up and down.
> 5. If all checks good then disassemble, clean and lube with new oil or grease whichever you prefer. I've used grease for years but the manual actually calls for more of an oil. Some use OMC outdrive pump to inject oil in lieu of grease. Pick your poison.
> 
> Mine are the originals from 1966 and I bought new ones because I wanted too as they were a really good deal. I will be checking mine this spring and cleaning and re=lubing them as part of a general once over before driving season and checking the fit of the new TRF parts.
> 
> Let us know what you find.
> 
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 7:34 PM
> To: 'TR3 Triumphs'
> Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
> 
> What's the best means to determine if the front suspension trunnions are
> worn and in need of replacement?  I have a 67 4A IRS with 72k orig miles and
> am redoing all of the suspension.  Would like to test to see if trunnions
> are bad or still good.  Any thoughts?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A Neville
> 62 4 Simon
> 67 4A Sir Charles
> 75 6 Ms. Molly (bad ass)
> 81 8 Sir Stirling
> 
> 
> 
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From ryel at mac.com  Fri Feb 19 08:38:47 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 07:38:47 -0800
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day photos
Message-ID: <CECDD9F7-A6ED-4ED5-83CD-831D5A9655DD@mac.com>

Thank you everyone!
 
Thank you for participating in Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10th, 2021.  
 
Thank you to those who organized a drive for your club.
 
Thank you to those who got their Triumph out for a fun drive.
 
Thank you for having fun with this and taking your car out into the snow for a quick photo, or open the garage door for a photo with snow outside, or your car in restoration.
 
When you view the 520 photos submitted, consider all these Triumph and Standard owners were involved with their cars and taking a photo, all over the world, all during those 24 hours on February 10th for Sir John Blacks birthday.  It?s pretty amazing.
 
With this crazy pandemic resulting in lockdowns and socially distanced gatherings, and Feb 10 falling on a Wednesday, I wondered if participation would suffer.  Evidently not.  Close to 200 more Triumph & Standard owners participated than last year.  Even that figure is a bit misleading when I hear that the Triumph Car Club of Victoria in Australia had 65 cars and 106 people attend a drive and lunch in Mornington.
 
Be sure and save the date on your calendar for next year.  Thursday, February 10th, 2022.
 
To view the photos, go to: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com <https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com/>
 
Regards,
 
Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Feb 19 14:55:26 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:55:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
Message-ID: <024a01d70709$f1884a20$d498de60$@uprichard.net>

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_me
dium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13

 

I also saw a 3A with some paint cracking and blemishes sold for over
$20,000.  Can it be that our cars are finally becoming investments?

I've been telling my wife just that for years but she just rolls her eyes
and tells people, "he's Irish.."

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 19 15:08:19 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 16:08:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
In-Reply-To: <024a01d70709$f1884a20$d498de60$@uprichard.net>
References: <024a01d70709$f1884a20$d498de60$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <691814C6-91BA-49F6-8147-99CBA7CFBB4A@yahoo.com>

Andrew, I hope so, maybe values will climb back to what I paid 5 years ago for my TR3A.  
Bill
TS30800L(o)

#dontkillgrandma

On Feb 19, 2021, at 3:56 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:

?
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
 
I also saw a 3A with some paint cracking and blemishes sold for over $20,000.  Can it be that our cars are finally becoming investments?

I?ve been telling my wife just that for years but she just rolls her eyes and tells people, ?he?s Irish???
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Fri Feb 19 15:23:31 2021
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (James B Mills)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:23:31 -0800
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
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I?m confused.  The information provided lists this both as a TR4 and a TR4A.  Wouldn?t that kind of disinformation make potential buyers wary?  I cannot imagine anyone making that sort of mistake. Especially when they are selling it for $30K.

JBMills - ?64 TR4

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 1:56 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
>  
> I also saw a 3A with some paint cracking and blemishes sold for over $20,000.  Can it be that our cars are finally becoming investments?
> 
> I?ve been telling my wife just that for years but she just rolls her eyes and tells people, ?he?s Irish???
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Feb 19 17:19:44 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:19:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
Message-ID: <000001d7071e$18126130$48372390$@ranteer.com>

The starter motor is out right now; it failed me a couple weeks ago and with
all the bad weather I'm still waiting for the replacement to arrive.

 

Am really thinking of putting a helicoil in that top hole.  Its 5/16 24
(fine thread).

 

Anyone else done that?  It looks like I can do it without removing anything
else.

 

Should I do it in coarse?  Any advice?

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Fri Feb 19 17:43:53 2021
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 19:43:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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Those bolts can be a pain to get at so I modified a wrench to make the job easier as seen here 

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/Starter.htm

Bob

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: dave
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt

The starter motor is out right now; it failed me a couple weeks ago and with all the bad weather I?m still waiting for the replacement to arrive.

Am really thinking of putting a helicoil in that top hole.? Its 5/16 24 (fine thread).

Anyone else done that?? It looks like I can do it without removing anything else.

Should I do it in coarse?? Any advice?

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 19 19:15:01 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 02:15:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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 That's a great idea, if it works.? But I thought the starter bolts were 3/8.? Since you're tapping them you can chose fine or coarse thread.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt

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From greg at gregoryd.com  Fri Feb 19 19:38:49 2021
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:38:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day photos
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These are great, Rye.

I looked at far more than I thought I would. 

Like, all of them.

Thank you for posting.

?Greg

> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:39 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thank you everyone!
>  
> Thank you for participating in Drive Your Triumph Day, February 10th, 2021.  
>  
> Thank you to those who organized a drive for your club.
>  
> Thank you to those who got their Triumph out for a fun drive.
>  
> Thank you for having fun with this and taking your car out into the snow for a quick photo, or open the garage door for a photo with snow outside, or your car in restoration.
>  
> When you view the 520 photos submitted, consider all these Triumph and Standard owners were involved with their cars and taking a photo, all over the world, all during those 24 hours on February 10th for Sir John Blacks birthday.  It?s pretty amazing.
>  
> With this crazy pandemic resulting in lockdowns and socially distanced gatherings, and Feb 10 falling on a Wednesday, I wondered if participation would suffer.  Evidently not.  Close to 200 more Triumph & Standard owners participated than last year.  Even that figure is a bit misleading when I hear that the Triumph Car Club of Victoria in Australia had 65 cars and 106 people attend a drive and lunch in Mornington.
>  
> Be sure and save the date on your calendar for next year.  Thursday, February 10th, 2022.
>  
> To view the photos, go to: https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Rye Livingston
> Activities Chairman
> Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Feb 19 21:13:31 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:13:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
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Crazy days on BaT for sure.  It used to be a site to find fair cars and values and better for buyers.  This TR4 was a really nice car, no matter the 4 or 4A part.  The car was refinished to a very high standard and $20-30K just ain't what it used to be.  Just try buying a good car for $20K, new or used.  The average price for a new car is at least $38K.
The TR3 was a well cared for car in the past, obviously by a Triumph enthusiast.  It had lots of past issues showing through the paint and chassis, but it should provide lots of pleasure to the new owner.  
I have seen really bad TRs get these prices on BaT and really excellent cars sell for similar prices.  That's what I don't get.  The best cars should sell at twice the price of the funky ones, but it's obvious most bidders just don't know the difference.  They just see a cute car with shiny paint that reminds them of the good old days and $20-30k is seemingly the entry level cost for a classic car.  BaT is definitely a sellers market now.  
Crazy days,
Dave H.

>     On 02/19/2021 1:55 PM auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>      
>      
> 
>     https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
> 
>      
> 
>     I also saw a 3A with some paint cracking and blemishes sold for over $20,000.  Can it be that our cars are finally becoming investments?
> 
>     I?ve been telling my wife just that for years but she just rolls her eyes and tells people, ?he?s Irish???
> 
>      
> 
>     Andrew Uprichard
> 
>     Jackson, Michigan
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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 20 06:09:33 2021
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (David Brady)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:09:33 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 06:48:01 2021
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:48:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 06:52:22 2021
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:52:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Feb 20 06:54:23 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:54:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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 I'd consider going the full monty and helicoil the holes for the transmission mounting, too.? This bolt-and-loose-nut business is so unprofessional.? Next time I pull it apart...
Of course, the problem is those engines are just so durable.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 20, 2021 7:48 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 starter bolt

#yiv1136544970 #yiv1136544970 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv1136544970 #yiv1136544970 p.yiv1136544970MsoNormal, #yiv1136544970 li.yiv1136544970MsoNormal, #yiv1136544970 div.yiv1136544970MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv1136544970 a:link, #yiv1136544970 span.yiv1136544970MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv1136544970 .yiv1136544970MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {}#yiv1136544970 div.yiv1136544970WordSection1 {}#yiv1136544970 Dave????????? I agree on the helicoil. I did both bolts on the race car and it saved a lot of hassel at the race track when a starter failed. If putting the helicoil in the engine plate I would use fine thread, for the tranny case I would use course. The advantage of in the engine Plate, is you can remove the tranny without removing the starter. Any thing to make a job easier when working by yourselfAt the track and saves time.  ?Dean T. ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ?From: dave
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt ?The starter motor is out right now; it failed me a couple weeks ago and with all the bad weather I?m still waiting for the replacement to arrive. ?Am really thinking of putting a helicoil in that top hole.? Its 5/16 24 (fine thread). ?Anyone else done that?? It looks like I can do it without removing anything else. ?Should I do it in coarse?? Any advice? ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 20 10:50:22 2021
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:50:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR6 starter bolt
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When I had my transmission out, I added a helicoil to the top bolt and 
it made things much nicer.? I left the bottom as a nut and bolt because 
it is so accessible.? Prior to the helicoil, I just put a strip of 
masking tape inside the open end wrench and jammed the nut in the 
wrench.? This held the nut well enough to get the top bolt it, but then 
the wrench just pulled off.

A couple strips of masking tape inside a wrench or socket can be very 
helpful to hold a nut in place while you get the threads started.??? On 
a related note, I've also put a drop of super glue on a pencil eraser 
and stuck on a nut.? The bond is strong enough to start the nut, but 
will break off when enough force is involved.

Brian

On 2/19/2021 4:19 PM, dave wrote:
>
> The starter motor is out right now; it failed me a couple weeks ago 
> and with all the bad weather I?m still waiting for the replacement to 
> arrive.
>
> Am really thinking of putting a helicoil in that top hole.? Its 5/16 
> 24 (fine thread).
>
> Anyone else done that?? It looks like I can do it without removing 
> anything else.
>
> Should I do it in coarse?? Any advice?
>
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 20 17:17:59 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 19:17:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
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Ordered a couple new trunnions on sale from TRF and glad I did.  Pulled and cleaned up the original Stanpart stamped trunnions and the new bolt from the suspension kit has a lot more slop in the old one than the new.  Will keep original in my museum originality shelf.  It will sit right next to the old western Thomson English thermostat that I pulled out.  The previous owner who had the car for 45 years said he never had to change the thermostat. 
Next step, reinstall front suspension components. 
Cheers and thanks,
Jim Henningsen


> On Feb 18, 2021, at 8:03 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?TRF had an inventory reduction sale on TR4A/6 trunnions a few weeks ago. Good price and I bought a pair, visually look like good parts.
> 
> To answer your question.
> 1. Check the hole for the thru bold for wear. If any replace them.
> 2. Check the acme threads to upright fit for slop and or rough motion. Check the upright threads as well for same.
> 3. While you're checking stuff be sure to check the thru bolt and control arm bushings too and replace that stuff if necessary. Lots of potential wear points in the bottom joint area.
> 4. In assembled condition but with a jack under the spring pan to take the weight of the car try to move the wheel / tire assembly as you would with ball joints looking for movement in and out and up and down.
> 5. If all checks good then disassemble, clean and lube with new oil or grease whichever you prefer. I've used grease for years but the manual actually calls for more of an oil. Some use OMC outdrive pump to inject oil in lieu of grease. Pick your poison.
> 
> Mine are the originals from 1966 and I bought new ones because I wanted too as they were a really good deal. I will be checking mine this spring and cleaning and re=lubing them as part of a general once over before driving season and checking the fit of the new TRF parts.
> 
> Let us know what you find.
> 
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 7:34 PM
> To: 'TR3 Triumphs'
> Subject: [TR] TR4A-6 Trunnion Wear
> 
> What's the best means to determine if the front suspension trunnions are
> worn and in need of replacement?  I have a 67 4A IRS with 72k orig miles and
> am redoing all of the suspension.  Would like to test to see if trunnions
> are bad or still good.  Any thoughts?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A Neville
> 62 4 Simon
> 67 4A Sir Charles
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> 
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Feb 21 08:58:08 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:58:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR
Message-ID: <005c01d7086a$5ac2f240$1048d6c0$@uprichard.net>

Don't we have Marty Sukey on this list?  I just read a really nice article
about his son's business in Ohio - JS Performance Motoring - in the VTR.
Great that there are people out there prepared to stat businesses like this.
I wish him well.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 21 09:45:21 2021
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:45:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR
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Yup, sure do. My son Jason is an artist when it comes to working on these cars. I have to share a story. Back on the 90's we were always doing something last minute to the TR6 just prior to the TRF summer parties to make it just a little bit quicker at the autocrosses. Jason must have been about in 8th grade then and had been wrenching on the car with me for a few years already. I don't remember what we had done but we had the engine apart and mostly back together and in the car  but the head was still on the bench. So, it was like the day before departure, and I was at work. I got a phone call and it was Jason. He says dad, you hear that? The TR6 was running in the background. I knew right then that the kid would go far!

Marty

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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:58 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR


Don?t we have Marty Sukey on this list?  I just read a really nice article about his son?s business in Ohio ? JS Performance Motoring ? in the VTR.  Great that there are people out there prepared to stat businesses like this.  I wish him well.



Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Feb 21 10:14:10 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 09:14:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR
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Kudos to Jason and his wife for what looks like business run with very high standards.  Marty, you taught him right.  You must be very proud.  
Dave H.

>     On 02/21/2021 8:45 AM marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Yup, sure do. My son Jason is an artist when it comes to working on these cars. I have to share a story. Back on the 90's we were always doing something last minute to the TR6 just prior to the TRF summer parties to make it just a little bit quicker at the autocrosses. Jason must have been about in 8th grade then and had been wrenching on the car with me for a few years already. I don't remember what we had done but we had the engine apart and mostly back together and in the car  but the head was still on the bench. So, it was like the day before departure, and I was at work. I got a phone call and it was Jason. He says dad, you hear that? The TR6 was running in the background. I knew right then that the kid would go far!
>      
>     Marty
>      
>      
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of auprichard at uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
>     Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:58 AM
>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [TR] Article in VTR
>      
>     Don?t we have Marty Sukey on this list?  I just read a really nice article about his son?s business in Ohio ? JS Performance Motoring ? in the VTR.  Great that there are people out there prepared to stat businesses like this.  I wish him well.
>      
>     Andrew Uprichard
>     Jackson, Michigan
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Feb 21 11:54:47 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 13:54:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR
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The best thing about Jason and his wife?s business is that they take an engineering approach and thought to what they do. He understands why things work as they do and the importance of those thoughts. I wish him all the success he can develop. He seems to stay busy.
JVV

From: marty sukey 
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 11:45 AM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Article in VTR

Yup, sure do. My son Jason is an artist when it comes to working on these cars. I have to share a story. Back on the 90's we were always doing something last minute to the TR6 just prior to the TRF summer parties to make it just a little bit quicker at the autocrosses. Jason must have been about in 8th grade then and had been wrenching on the car with me for a few years already. I don't remember what we had done but we had the engine apart and mostly back together and in the car  but the head was still on the bench. So, it was like the day before departure, and I was at work. I got a phone call and it was Jason. He says dad, you hear that? The TR6 was running in the background. I knew right then that the kid would go far! 

Marty



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Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:58 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Article in VTR 

Don?t we have Marty Sukey on this list?  I just read a really nice article about his son?s business in Ohio ? JS Performance Motoring ? in the VTR.  Great that there are people out there prepared to stat businesses like this.  I wish him well.



Andrew Uprichard

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 21 18:30:28 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:30:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] wow - the TR4 / TR4A sold for over $30,000
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 dave said:?BaT is definitely a sellers market now.??

unless you want to list a project car that needs a trailer. apparently?they dont like cars that need a trailer.
frank



    On Friday, February 19, 2021, 08:15:17 PM PST, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
   Crazy days on BaT for sure.? It used to be a site to find fair cars and values and better for buyers.? This TR4 was a really nice car, no matter the 4 or 4A part.? The car was refinished to a very high standard and $20-30K just ain't what it used to be.? Just try buying a good car for $20K, new or used.? The average price for a new car is at least $38K.   The TR3 was a well cared for car in the past, obviously by a Triumph enthusiast.? It had lots of past issues showing through the paint and chassis, but it should provide lots of pleasure to the new owner.??   I have seen really bad TRs get these prices on BaT and really excellent cars sell for similar prices.? That's what I don't get.? The best cars should sell at twice the price of the funky ones, but it's obvious most bidders just don't know the difference.? They just see a cute car with shiny paint that reminds them of the good old days and $20-30k is seemingly the entry level cost for a classic car.? BaT is definitely a sellers market now.??   Crazy days,   Dave H.  
  On 02/19/2021 1:55 PM auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:   ?   ?   
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1967-triumph-tr4a-13/?utm_source=dm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2021-02-13
 
?
 
I also saw a 3A with some paint cracking and blemishes sold for over $20,000.? Can it be that our cars are finally becoming investments?

I?ve been telling my wife just that for years but she just rolls her eyes and tells people, ?he?s Irish???
 
?
 
Andrew Uprichard
 
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From sagreenwood at att.net  Mon Feb 22 18:27:48 2021
From: sagreenwood at att.net (Stuart Greenwood)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 01:27:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>

In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the timing case gasket. 
I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing cover gasket is leaking oil. 
I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing case cover but through the gasket material itself.
I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil and if so where did you buy it from?

Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?

Stuart A Greenwood
San Diego Ca

From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Feb 22 20:06:30 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 03:06:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR14MB1457C31BBBEF9CC9F7695B2AFA809@BN6PR14MB1457.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Stuart,

I?ve taken to making my own gaskets. Buy a roll of Karropak gasket material (various thicknesses available) and a cheap set of hole punches. I?ve never had one of my gaskets leak. All the thin paper transmission gaskets I got in a set from a vendor, leaked.

YMMV.

Cliff


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From: Stuart Greenwood<mailto:sagreenwood at att.net>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2021 6:28 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak

In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the timing case gasket.
I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing cover gasket is leaking oil.
I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing case cover but through the gasket material itself.
I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil and if so where did you buy it from?

Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?

Stuart A Greenwood
San Diego Ca
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From rjones at wfeca.net  Mon Feb 22 20:38:09 2021
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:38:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 Manifold
Message-ID: <518FC649-FEFC-47F0-AE4A-083C2F0213EE@wfeca.net>

Anyone know the original TR3 manifold color?  Also any difference between a TR3 and a TR4 manifold?
Thanks

Bob

From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Feb 23 05:27:51 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 12:27:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1795332537.911146.1614083271869@mail.yahoo.com>

 These covers are stamped steel and can warp if the bolts are over-torqued.? It is important to follow the torque specs in the book.? 

Also, I like to use an ample supply of gasket sealer that can close up the gaps that can occur.? I lean toward Hylomar in situations where removal and re-installation is an option.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2021 7:27 pm
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak

In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the timing case gasket. 
I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild? there are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again? and the timing cover gasket is leaking oil. 
I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing case cover but through the gasket material itself.
I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"? RTV type stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil and if so where did you buy it from?

Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?

Stuart A Greenwood
San Diego Ca
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb 23 07:34:43 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 09:34:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <1795332537.911146.1614083271869@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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On my last rebuild I used a product called ?The Right Stuff? and it is. No leaks from the likely spots. A bit pricy but worth it in my opinion. Comes in gray and black. Used it on the OD adapter plate which has always leaked and now only an occasional drop. I like it. I used it with an appropriate gasket.
JVV

From: DAVID MASSEY 
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 7:27 AM
To: sagreenwood at att.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing case oil leak

These covers are stamped steel and can warp if the bolts are over-torqued.  It is important to follow the torque specs in the book.  



Also, I like to use an ample supply of gasket sealer that can close up the gaps that can occur.  I lean toward Hylomar in situations where removal and re-installation is an option.


Dave 




-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Feb 22, 2021 7:27 pm
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak


In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the timing case gasket. 

I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing cover gasket is leaking oil. 

I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing case cover but through the gasket material itself.

I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil and if so where did you buy it from?


Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?


Stuart A Greenwood

San Diego Ca

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From carlsereda at aol.com  Wed Feb 24 00:20:29 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:20:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 steering wheel
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Someone was looking for an original TR4 steering wheel..happened across one on eBay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR4-Tr4a-Original-Steering-Wheel-Spoke/174260936425?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 04:52:45 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 06:52:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
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I agree with the statement "Hylomar is the answer".

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:28 PM Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net> wrote:
>
> In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the timing case gasket.
> I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing cover gasket is leaking oil.
> I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing case cover but through the gasket material itself.
> I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil and if so where did you buy it from?
>
> Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?
>
> Stuart A Greenwood
> San Diego Ca
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Feb 24 05:15:13 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 07:15:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMwc8SyK0GnKBoGDYV3PWS11XvaAMOMkq+f-U_3BzDZHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7CMwc8SyK0GnKBoGDYV3PWS11XvaAMOMkq+f-U_3BzDZHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001201d70aa6$b4527270$1cf75750$@charter.net>

Now, the next question is - which one? From Hylomar's website, I see about
13 products that probably could be used for gasket making/sealing. Also,
other than mail order to someone like Grainger, where do you find their
products locally?

Alex Thomson


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Scarbrough
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 6:53 AM
To: Stuart Greenwood
Cc: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing case oil leak

I agree with the statement "Hylomar is the answer".

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:28 PM Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
wrote:
>
> In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my
TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I
replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and
using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the
oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the
timing case gasket.
> I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the
engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there
are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing
cover gasket is leaking oil.
> I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak
proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT
between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing
case cover but through the gasket material itself.
> I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have
for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type
stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil
and if so where did you buy it from?
>
> Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable
dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?
>
> Stuart A Greenwood
> San Diego Ca
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb 24 05:42:03 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 12:42:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <001201d70aa6$b4527270$1cf75750$@charter.net>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <225875539.1390654.1614043668752@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Good point.? I have two myself and they're both blue.? But one cures much like Form-a-Gasket #2 and the other remains viscous.? That is the one I prefer for valve cover gaskets since they need to come off from time to time to reset the valve lash.
For a timing cover just about anything will do.? It becomes more a question of how much clean-up is needed the next time the engine comes apart.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'Jeff Scarbrough' <fishplate at gmail.com>; 'Stuart Greenwood' <sagreenwood at att.net>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2021 6:15 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing case oil leak

Now, the next question is - which one? From Hylomar's website, I see about
13 products that probably could be used for gasket making/sealing. Also,
other than mail order to someone like Grainger, where do you find their
products locally?

Alex Thomson


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
Scarbrough
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 6:53 AM
To: Stuart Greenwood
Cc: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing case oil leak

I agree with the statement "Hylomar is the answer".

On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:28 PM Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
wrote:
>
> In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my
TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I
replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and
using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the
oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the
timing case gasket.
> I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the
engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild? there
are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again? and the timing
cover gasket is leaking oil.
> I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak
proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT
between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing
case cover but through the gasket material itself.
> I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have
for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"? RTV type
stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil
and if so where did you buy it from?
>
> Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable
dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?
>
> Stuart A Greenwood
> San Diego Ca
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Wed Feb 24 06:50:04 2021
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 08:50:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing case oil leak
In-Reply-To: <001201d70aa6$b4527270$1cf75750$@charter.net>
References: <225875539.1390654.1614043668752.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I also had a deformation in the front engine plate which caused the timing chain cover to leak.  I used ?Right Stuff? to seal the timing chain cover to the engine front plate. I?ve used Hylomar extensively, but the deformation required filling a deformation gap and ?Right Stuff? excelled at that, sealing my timing chain cover perfectly. I have been told hat Right Stuff is a bear to remove, but so far I?ve had no need to to do that.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> 
> Now, the next question is - which one? From Hylomar's website, I see about
> 13 products that probably could be used for gasket making/sealing. Also,
> other than mail order to someone like Grainger, where do you find their
> products locally?
> 
> Alex Thomson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff
> Scarbrough
> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 6:53 AM
> To: Stuart Greenwood
> Cc: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
> Subject: Re: [TR] Timing case oil leak
> 
> I agree with the statement "Hylomar is the answer".
> 
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 8:28 PM Stuart Greenwood <sagreenwood at att.net>
> wrote:
>> 
>> In July 2017 I saw that the front crankshaft oil seal was leaking on my
> TR250 but the timing case itself seemed to be leak free. In January 2018 I
> replaced this seal which of course meant removing the timing case cover and
> using a new gasket. I serviced the car last weekend and could see that the
> oil seal was not leaking but there seems to be oil leaking through the
> timing case gasket.
>> I have the same situation on my Spitfire Mk IV. I completely rebuilt the
> engine in April 2004. Now, after about 15,000 miles since the rebuild  there
> are signs that the crankshaft oil seal is leaking again  and the timing
> cover gasket is leaking oil.
>> I am starting to think that the gaskets you can buy are not oil leak
> proof. I think that over time oil seeps through the gasket material, NOT
> between the gasket and the engine block or between the gasket and the timing
> case cover but through the gasket material itself.
>> I am going to replace the oil seal on the Spitfire but the question I have
> for the list is should I use a gasket or use "form a gasket"  RTV type
> stuff? Have any of you used a gasket that is guaranteed not permeable to oil
> and if so where did you buy it from?
>> 
>> Has anyone else suspected that some gasket you can by from reputable
> dealers like TRF, Moss or Rimmers are in reality permeable to oil?
>> 
>> Stuart A Greenwood
>> San Diego Ca
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Wed Feb 24 12:20:38 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:20:38 -0800
Subject: [TR] REf: Triumph Sports Six Video
References: <2300b32c-099e-eced-f1b1-c4d644063816.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <2300b32c-099e-eced-f1b1-c4d644063816@att.net>

I did a Lube/Oil/Filter and service on my Sports Six the other day and 
made a video if anyone is interested.

It is at

https://youtu.be/Gh2gPWXril4 <https://youtu.be/Gh2gPWXril4>

I also went over some of the upgrades that I made during the restoration.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Feb 24 20:58:42 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 19:58:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 gearbox TS numbers
Message-ID: <1321761888.79942.1614225523093@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello listers,
Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared to engine and vin numbers?  I don't have that number listed on the Heritage certificate of my TR3.  
When I bought my car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.  Years later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certificate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping him move some things.  He said at the time that he was sure that he did not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.  
Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I found a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the engine number.  I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.  I'm thinking that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number might be even later.  
I will most likely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the car if there is a chance it is the original unit.
Dave H. 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Feb 25 03:47:17 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 10:47:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 gearbox TS numbers
In-Reply-To: <1321761888.79942.1614225523093@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1321761888.79942.1614225523093@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <B9626B72-4A95-4E8C-904C-0AAA42E442B0@Ukpips.org.uk>

In all the years I worked at Standard Triumph and later at BMIHT Gaydon, I do not recall ever seeing a gearbox number appearing on a vehicle build record. That?s not to say they were not recorded somewhere for some purpose but equally, neither were axle numbers.

Jonmac

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> On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:58, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello listers,
> Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared to engine and vin numbers?  I don't have that number listed on the Heritage certificate of my TR3.  
> When I bought my car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.  Years later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certificate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping him move some things.  He said at the time that he was sure that he did not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.  
> Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I found a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the engine number.  I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.  I'm thinking that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number might be even later.  
> I will most likely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the car if there is a chance it is the original unit.
> Dave H. 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Feb 25 04:52:06 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 05:52:06 -0600
Subject: [TR] Reno area
Message-ID: <mailman.34.1614253932.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Anyone in the Reno, NV area?? I'll be there this weekend and would like to visit
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 08:24:19 2021
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 15:24:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3 gearbox TS numbers
In-Reply-To: <B9626B72-4A95-4E8C-904C-0AAA42E442B0@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <1321761888.79942.1614225523093@connect.xfinity.com>
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Message-ID: <1926913222.681808.1614353059232@mail.yahoo.com>

 I suspect the odds of that being the original gearbox are in your favor!
 
--Andy 
Andrew Mace
ZoboHerald at aol.com

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*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings.
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-----Original Message-----


On 25 Feb 2021, at 03:58, DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:


 
 Hello listers,   Can anyone shed some light on the relativity of gearbox numbers compared to engine and vin numbers?? I don't have that number listed on the Heritage certificate of my TR3.??   When I bought my car back in '08, the original engine and trans were not in the it.? Years later, I found the original engine block, as per the Heritage certificate, among 11 other TR engines in the previous owners garage while helping him move some things.? He said at the time that he was sure that he did not get the block with the car and had no idea it was original to it.??   Now, while looking through a bunch of gearboxes from the same person, I found a box with a number about 800 later than the VIN and 151 later than the engine number.? I'm thinking this might be the original box from my car.? I'm thinking that if the engine numbers were later than the VIN, gearbox number might be even later.??   I will most likely never use it, or put it back in the car, but I will keep it with the car if there is a chance it is the original unit.   Dave H. 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 15:59:52 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 17:59:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
Message-ID: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>

Ok, haven?t changed these out by myself before and want to learn to do it correctly.  Redoing front suspension on myTR4a.  Looking for recommendations on removing the front wheel bearing races so I don?t damage the hub.  Same as a Tr6.  Thought I?d ask our experts since I didn?t see a triumph post on YouTube and I don?t always trust YouTube.  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, fl
61 3
62 4
67 4a
75 6
81 8


From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Feb 26 17:27:44 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:27:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
In-Reply-To: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
References: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22ddcdf8-668d-255e-ba5c-2c7477587608@adelphia.net>

Jim,

I used an aluminum drift to punch them out. That way if you miss the lip 
of the race you wont damage the hub. You should be able to get a stick 
of AL at Lowes or HD. Just grind it to make a chisel like tool. If you 
are good and careful you can use a long steel punch. They are not too 
hard to remove and replace. Use the drift to install the new races. It 
is really an easy job.

Bob

On 2/26/21 5:59 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Ok, haven?t changed these out by myself before and want to learn to do it correctly.  Redoing front suspension on myTR4a.  Looking for recommendations on removing the front wheel bearing races so I don?t damage the hub.  Same as a Tr6.  Thought I?d ask our experts since I didn?t see a triumph post on YouTube and I don?t always trust YouTube.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl
> 61 3
> 62 4
> 67 4a
> 75 6
> 81 8
>

From john at linneyweb.com  Fri Feb 26 17:37:31 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 16:37:31 -0800
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
In-Reply-To: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
References: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ECAB2EC3-26C7-4797-9170-5B4F6F5E27AA@linneyweb.com>

I used aa rubber mallet and an old socket - forget the size, but is was one of my larger ones. I remember one of them I had to shake loose with a drift and hammer. Not that hard to get out unless someone Loctite'd them in.

> On Feb 26, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, haven?t changed these out by myself before and want to learn to do it correctly.  Redoing front suspension on myTR4a.  Looking for recommendations on removing the front wheel bearing races so I don?t damage the hub.  Same as a Tr6.  Thought I?d ask our experts since I didn?t see a triumph post on YouTube and I don?t always trust YouTube.  
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl
> 61 3
> 62 4
> 67 4a
> 75 6
> 81 8
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Feb 26 18:52:40 2021
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:52:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
In-Reply-To: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
References: <58E18BE3-E832-4730-A0C9-D6EBC10322EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3426acca-bf58-f1e8-01e5-78dcd1157d7a@tonydrews.com>

The "how to get them out" posts seem to be spot on.? A tip for driving 
the new ones in - you can use the bench grinder on your old races to 
make them slightly smaller diameter and use them (with other suitable 
implements of destruction) to drive the new ones in.

On driving them out - many hubs have a little cutout in a couple of 
spots to give you better access to the back side of the race. Not sure 
about the TR hub, but clean all the grease out and look for those.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 2/26/2021 4:59 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Ok, haven?t changed these out by myself before and want to learn to do it correctly.  Redoing front suspension on myTR4a.  Looking for recommendations on removing the front wheel bearing races so I don?t damage the hub.  Same as a Tr6.  Thought I?d ask our experts since I didn?t see a triumph post on YouTube and I don?t always trust YouTube.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, fl
> 61 3
> 62 4
> 67 4a
> 75 6
> 81 8
>
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 13:17:18 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:17:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
In-Reply-To: <3426acca-bf58-f1e8-01e5-78dcd1157d7a@tonydrews.com>
References: <3426acca-bf58-f1e8-01e5-78dcd1157d7a@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <4343304B-85C4-4D7A-B403-0BA8E0777E6A@gmail.com>

TR hub does have notches at 180 degrees for driving out the bearing races. 

Allen 

> On Feb 26, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The "how to get them out" posts seem to be spot on.  A tip for driving the new ones in - you can use the bench grinder on your old races to make them slightly smaller diameter and use them (with other suitable implements of destruction) to drive the new ones in.
> 
> On driving them out - many hubs have a little cutout in a couple of spots to give you better access to the back side of the race. Not sure about the TR hub, but clean all the grease out and look for those.
> 
> Cheers, Tony Drews
> 
>> On 2/26/2021 4:59 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
>> Ok, haven?t changed these out by myself before and want to learn to do it correctly.  Redoing front suspension on myTR4a.  Looking for recommendations on removing the front wheel bearing races so I don?t damage the hub.  Same as a Tr6.  Thought I?d ask our experts since I didn?t see a triumph post on YouTube and I don?t always trust YouTube.
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, fl
>> 61 3
>> 62 4
>> 67 4a
>> 75 6
>> 81 8
>> 
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From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 18:39:06 2021
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:39:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wheel bearing races
Message-ID: <CADy_YYpbOWZi97Dq9LyUPCxPipNGcCmQOPTTOfq6G5r7tf2a3w@mail.gmail.com>

If you want to make it easy on yourself, stop at your local Terrible
Freight and pick up a 10 piece Maddox bearing race and seal driver kit. It
was about $40 last year when I changed the wheel bearings on my TR6. Like
using an old big socket, it allows the application of even pressure all
around the race so the old one comes out evenly and the new one doesn't go
in cockeyed.
Bill Smith
'72 TR6
'80 TR7
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 28 07:00:03 2021
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:00:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 74 TR6 fast idle
In-Reply-To: <4343304B-85C4-4D7A-B403-0BA8E0777E6A@gmail.com>
References: <3426acca-bf58-f1e8-01e5-78dcd1157d7a@tonydrews.com>
 <4343304B-85C4-4D7A-B403-0BA8E0777E6A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <611617033.1242939.1614520803569@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Folks,
I have a strange idle issue with my 74 stock Stromberg carb TR6. When driving and come to a stop the idle is high, around 1,100 RPM.? Blipping the throttle does nothing, but if i quickly pull the choke out and push it back in it drops to around 800 RPM and stays there. It drives fine but the next time I come to a stop it does the exact same thing and only corrects itself when I quickly pull out and push back in the choke.?
Any suggestions?
Thank you,
Robert
Robert Rudolphi?74 TR6?
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From greg at gelhar.com  Sun Feb 28 08:26:13 2021
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 09:26:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] 74 TR6 fast idle
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Worn throttle shafts could do that. If there is wear, the butterfly plates may not close completely.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of robert rudolphi
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Subject: [TR] 74 TR6 fast idle

 

Hi Folks,

 

I have a strange idle issue with my 74 stock Stromberg carb TR6. When driving and come to a stop the idle is high, around 1,100 RPM.  Blipping the throttle does nothing, but if i quickly pull the choke out and push it back in it drops to around 800 RPM and stays there. It drives fine but the next time I come to a stop it does the exact same thing and only corrects itself when I quickly pull out and push back in the choke. 

 

Any suggestions?

 

Thank you,

 

Robert

 

Robert Rudolphi 

74 TR6 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Feb 28 09:58:17 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 08:58:17 -0800
Subject: [TR] 74 TR6 fast idle
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When idle doesnt settle worn diaphragms in the bypass valves should be
checked. I have a Stag with ZS carbs

On Sun, Feb 28, 2021, 7:27 AM Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:

> Worn throttle shafts could do that. If there is wear, the butterfly plates
> may not close completely.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *robert
> rudolphi
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2021 8:00 AM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net; Six Pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] 74 TR6 fast idle
>
>
>
> Hi Folks,
>
>
>
> I have a strange idle issue with my 74 stock Stromberg carb TR6. When
> driving and come to a stop the idle is high, around 1,100 RPM.  Blipping
> the throttle does nothing, but if i quickly pull the choke out and push it
> back in it drops to around 800 RPM and stays there. It drives fine but the
> next time I come to a stop it does the exact same thing and only corrects
> itself when I quickly pull out and push back in the choke.
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> Robert Rudolphi
>
> 74 TR6
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Feb 28 14:14:48 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:14:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Engine Mounts - Which One
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Ok, was just looking at my TRA TR4/4A judging book and they show that the 4A
should have a trapezoidal engine mount and not the round one for TR4.  My
factory TR4A parts catalog has a picture of a round engine mount like the
TR4 (part number 130985).  The Roadster factory lists the round one under
that part number which is what I ordered and installed. I had to install a
thick round shim on the new round mounts to lift engine front fan extension
tube off the steering rack (it was rubbing).  Moss lists a rectangular mount
(810-015) with picture.  Which is the correct for a TR4A?  Any pearls of
wisdom out there?
Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8


From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Feb 28 19:05:49 2021
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 20:05:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4A Engine Mounts - Which One
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I don't know about correctness, but the round ones seem to last better 
than the rectangular ones.? I got a set of heavy duty round mounts from 
Revington years ago and they're still going strong. I'd kill the regular 
ones in a couple of year (of racing).? The Tilton clutch I started out 
with didn't help matters much.

Cheers, Tony DRews

On 2/28/2021 3:14 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Ok, was just looking at my TRA TR4/4A judging book and they show that the 4A
> should have a trapezoidal engine mount and not the round one for TR4.  My
> factory TR4A parts catalog has a picture of a round engine mount like the
> TR4 (part number 130985).  The Roadster factory lists the round one under
> that part number which is what I ordered and installed. I had to install a
> thick round shim on the new round mounts to lift engine front fan extension
> tube off the steering rack (it was rubbing).  Moss lists a rectangular mount
> (810-015) with picture.  Which is the correct for a TR4A?  Any pearls of
> wisdom out there?
> Many thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
>
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