From spamiam at comcast.net  Sun Aug  1 10:15:56 2021
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 12:15:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 170
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The relay suggestion is good.  

On my H4 lamps I found a haze of some unknown substance on the reflectors inside the glass housing!   I was able to remove it with glass cleaner and curved implements to reach everywhere inside.  

Much improved afterward

-Tony



> 
> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:03 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 00:06:08 -0400
> From: "Jeff Nathanson" <jeffn at msystech.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR6 LED headlamps
> Message-ID: <001301d784f8$3a0c27f0$ae2477d0$@msystech.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I was driving my 1972 TR6  one night and noticed how dark the roads seem
> (compared to my new car). I have Sylvania halogen headlamps in the 6, and
> was told that LED is the way to go. Are there any suggestions (other than
> drive with the high beams). There seems to be a lot of contradicting
> messages on the web like the need to change the wiring, or add a relay,
> change the switch, and more. Are there any avenues to avoid?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanking in advance,
> 
> Jeff N.


From actionsl at att.net  Sun Aug  1 12:12:01 2021
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 11:12:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 172
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I have 2 California TR4A bodies only LA  area

Carl

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>   1. Re: TR 6 evaporative system (davgil at aol.com)
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>   3. Re: TR 6 evaporative system (DAVID MASSEY)
>   4. TR4 for sale (auprichard at uprichard.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:01:57 +0000 (UTC)
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: "dave1massey at cs.com" <dave1massey at cs.com>,  "fishplate at gmail.com"
>    <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> Message-ID: <737040302.1015668.1627754517908 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see 
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:03:04 +0000 (UTC)
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: "dave1massey at cs.com" <dave1massey at cs.com>,  "fishplate at gmail.com"
>    <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
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> 
> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no hiss when I opened the cap.? Must have been the wiring and the anti-run on valve must be working now.? Thanks for all of your help.David Gill
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see 
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2021 19:33:27 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "davgil at aol.com" <davgil at aol.com>,  "fishplate at gmail.com"
>    <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> Message-ID: <2125161350.1024406.1627760007088 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Nothing succeeds like success.? Enjoy.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 1:03 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Hooked everything back up and went for a drive.? No leaks and no hiss when I opened the cap.? Must have been the wiring and the anti-run on valve must be working now.? Thanks for all of your help.David Gill
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 12:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> My experience is that if the valve is energized while the engine is running the care will not idle or will idle very poorly at best.? Do you have any such symptoms?
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: davgil at aol.com
> To: dave1massey at cs.com <dave1massey at cs.com>; fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 31, 2021 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Thanks Dave and Jeff.??I think that while the vent line may be partially blocked, it is sufficiently open to pass vapor and fuel.? I think that Jeff may have hit on the problem being the anit-run on valve.? ?I was working on the fuel system, I think that I have inadvertently knocked a couple of connections off of the oil pressure sending unit.? My gauge registers oil pressure properly, and that wire was not disconnected.? However, if I put the two wires back on one way, the oil pressure warning light comes on and stays on.? This is clearly wrong, so I reversed the wires.? I cannot tell if the anti-run on valve is now working properly.? I did note that when one of? the wires accidently touched the oil pressure wire, I saw a spark and clearly heard a click at the anti-run on valve solenoid.? However, when I connected the wire to the other post on the sending unit, I could not hear a click when cranking or shutting down the engine.? I have looked through my Haynes manual, but don't see 
> a diagnostic procedure and the only wiring diagram I have is for a RHD PI unit.? Mine is LHD carbureted.? Any advice as to how to verify the correct wiring for the anti-run on valve?David
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: fishplate at gmail.com <fishplate at gmail.com>; davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jul 30, 2021 7:36 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> It could be many things.? I had an issue like this but the engine died after a few minutes.? When I opened the gas filler there was a great rush of air and the tank oil-canned.? My problem turned out to be the vinyl hose leading from the trunk area to the engine bar had sagged down and contacted the exhaust system and melted shut.
> Make sure your system is per design and not missing something.? There is typically a liquid/vapor separator near the tank.? If that was bypassed you will get liquid fuel where it shouldn't be.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jul 29, 2021 7:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> 
> Is the switch/valve on the bottom of the carbon canister operating correctly?
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 28, 2021 at 3:04 PM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.? I tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there would be gas in the vent line.? I also noticed that when I opened the fuel cap, there was a hiss like a suction.? I feel that either the vent line, which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is pulling fuel out of the bowls.? My TR6 does run rich.? I don't understand why there would be a vacuum in the tank.? Also, I noticed a bit of oil around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.? I checked the oil and the level seems correct.? I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>> Regards,
>> David Gill
>> 1976 TR6
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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> From: <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To: "'TR List'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4 for sale
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> Listers:  I was approached by a woman whose father had died and left her
> with a TR4.  The story is that he bought it (second owner) in 1967 and drove
> it for 10 years when he had some sort of mechanical problem and pulled the
> engine.  As often happens, the engine sat and nothing happened - for 44
> years!
> 
> 
> 
> The car is a wood dash TR4, 1964.  Non-overdrive (the gearbox is out of the
> car). Disc wheels.  White with black interior.  Titled in the state of
> Michigan.
> 
> 
> 
> The car is otherwise intact and the amazing thing is that I found absolutely
> no rust on the car or frame.  If someone is restoring a TR4 and has had it
> with rust, this car would be a perfect answer.
> 
> 
> 
> I was asked to put a price on the car and I felt, given its rust-free
> condition, she should not take less than $4000.  She asked me to put out
> this message before listing it on eBay or Craigslist.  I have no financial
> interest:  if anyone gets back to me, I will put them in touch with the
> owner.
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> 
> Jackson, Michigan
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> Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 12:15:56 -0400
> From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 170
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> 
> The relay suggestion is good.  
> 
> On my H4 lamps I found a haze of some unknown substance on the reflectors inside the glass housing!   I was able to remove it with glass cleaner and curved implements to reach everywhere inside.  
> 
> Much improved afterward
> 
> -Tony
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2021, at 2:03 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 00:06:08 -0400
>> From: "Jeff Nathanson" <jeffn at msystech.com>
>> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] TR6 LED headlamps
>> Message-ID: <001301d784f8$3a0c27f0$ae2477d0$@msystech.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I was driving my 1972 TR6  one night and noticed how dark the roads seem
>> (compared to my new car). I have Sylvania halogen headlamps in the 6, and
>> was told that LED is the way to go. Are there any suggestions (other than
>> drive with the high beams). There seems to be a lot of contradicting
>> messages on the web like the need to change the wiring, or add a relay,
>> change the switch, and more. Are there any avenues to avoid?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanking in advance,
>> 
>> Jeff N.
> 
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From jdemuth at mac.com  Sun Aug  1 13:10:03 2021
From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 14:10:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Run-on valve
Message-ID: <CCDBB706-5CF9-478E-9352-332D0E7A83F7@mac.com>

The run-on valve only has both power (terminal 6 on the ignition switch) and ground (provided through the oil pressure sensor) when the car is shut off but there is still sufficient oil pressure that the pressure sensor is not in the ?low oil pressure? position. 

See Dan Master?s TR6 electoral book, page 45.
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From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (anncarletta)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 15:17:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] Out on the road today in NJ
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 13:59:57 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 15:59:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] 4A Timing chain and update
Message-ID: <002701d7870f$cdeadf20$69c09d60$@gmail.com>

List:
Thanks for the help on my questions with the timing chain.  It's done with
no leaks!  I finished a ton of work that included a new timing chain, oil
seal, speedi sleeve for hub pulley and the Bastuck aluminum narrow pulley
kit that I got from British Parts Northwest at the same time as installing
the Moss Motors alternator conversion kit on my 67 4A.  The narrow pulley
kit is designed to be used with stock hub pulley and fan extension for
dampening.  I also put on the Macy's hurricane fan with install kit.  All
kits were excellent!  I tried to make my own alternator kit using an MG
1970s alternator (43 amp).  But the Moss kit has the alt mounting tabs at
the right clock location to mount on passenger side.  Worth the expense in
my opinion.  Can easily replace with alternator with an MG one from Rockauto
and you will need to use the front half of the casing of the moss alt to
have the correct clock orientation.  I also installed the dummy voltage
regulator from Moss so the wiring looks factory.  Sweet stock looking setup
rather than having the wires all connected in a bunch that looks odd.   

One point to note if anyone does the narrow pulley and alternator kits at
the same time.  The quinton hazell QBA1014 3/8 v belt that came with the kit
is too long to also work with the alternator upgrade kit from Moss.  I found
a Dayco 15395 v belt at advance auto that is 1/2 inch shorter and fits
perfectly.  There was not enough adjustment of alternator to make the QH
work.    

Car runs great and seems to have more power.  Maybe less resistance from the
wide vbelt.

Cheers,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
67 4A (very happy)
75 6
81 8


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 14:06:58 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 16:06:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks
Message-ID: <002a01d78710$c9758e30$5c60aa90$@gmail.com>

List:
Forgot to attach a pic of the alternator, narrow pulley kit, and Macy's
hurricane fan installed.

Also, I have been playing with different shock setups on the rear of the 4A.
My 67 4A is an IRS with rebuilt lever shocks with upgraded valves for extra
stiffening.  My suspension is all new with polyurethane bushings and heavy
duty comp springs (1 inch lower).  I notice that on road undulations the
rear bottoms out easily.  My 6 had the tube shock conversion kit and I
installed that with new KYB gas shocks on the 4A.  Road like a modern car
but raised the rear end up a little too high for some reason.   Am I too
optimistic to think that lever shocks even rebuilt with upgraded valves are
going to be acceptable for handling?  Anyone have experience with a nice
firm setup that they would like to share.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
67 4A 
75 6
81 8
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Aug  1 21:03:14 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 22:03:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks
In-Reply-To: <002a01d78710$c9758e30$5c60aa90$@gmail.com>
References: <002a01d78710$c9758e30$5c60aa90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000f01d7874a$efd4a860$cf7df920$@ranteer.com>

1972 TR6.  Lowered with GoodParts stiffer springs, upgrade front sway bar,
added rear sway bar, stiffer valved lever shocks.  Lots of engine mods too.
Car is set up for autocross and my son does quite well in it.

Wife is not so fond of the very stiff ride.

https://www.goodparts.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:07 PM
To: 'TR List' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks

List:
Forgot to attach a pic of the alternator, narrow pulley kit, and Macy's
hurricane fan installed.

Also, I have been playing with different shock setups on the rear of the 4A.
My 67 4A is an IRS with rebuilt lever shocks with upgraded valves for extra
stiffening.  My suspension is all new with polyurethane bushings and heavy
duty comp springs (1 inch lower).  I notice that on road undulations the
rear bottoms out easily.  My 6 had the tube shock conversion kit and I
installed that with new KYB gas shocks on the 4A.  Road like a modern car
but raised the rear end up a little too high for some reason.   Am I too
optimistic to think that lever shocks even rebuilt with upgraded valves are
going to be acceptable for handling?  Anyone have experience with a nice
firm setup that they would like to share.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
67 4A
75 6
81 8


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 05:26:56 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 07:26:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks
In-Reply-To: <000f01d7874a$efd4a860$cf7df920$@ranteer.com>
References: <000f01d7874a$efd4a860$cf7df920$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1222E4C8-9C36-40DD-A140-8C016F617266@gmail.com>

Dave,
Sounds great.  That?s my TR6.  It?s the Triumph TR6 Goodparts edition.  
Jim

> On Aug 1, 2021, at 11:08 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?1972 TR6.  Lowered with GoodParts stiffer springs, upgrade front sway bar,
> added rear sway bar, stiffer valved lever shocks.  Lots of engine mods too.
> Car is set up for autocross and my son does quite well in it.
> 
> Wife is not so fond of the very stiff ride.
> 
> https://www.goodparts.com/
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: 'TR List' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks
> 
> List:
> Forgot to attach a pic of the alternator, narrow pulley kit, and Macy's
> hurricane fan installed.
> 
> Also, I have been playing with different shock setups on the rear of the 4A.
> My 67 4A is an IRS with rebuilt lever shocks with upgraded valves for extra
> stiffening.  My suspension is all new with polyurethane bushings and heavy
> duty comp springs (1 inch lower).  I notice that on road undulations the
> rear bottoms out easily.  My 6 had the tube shock conversion kit and I
> installed that with new KYB gas shocks on the 4A.  Road like a modern car
> but raised the rear end up a little too high for some reason.   Am I too
> optimistic to think that lever shocks even rebuilt with upgraded valves are
> going to be acceptable for handling?  Anyone have experience with a nice
> firm setup that they would like to share.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 3A
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
> 
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Aug  2 05:42:31 2021
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 07:42:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Swallow Doretti
Message-ID: <230432658.154192.1627904552031@connect.xfinity.com>

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Aug  2 11:22:10 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 12:22:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks
In-Reply-To: <CAB+rUnV0zzXgn29bFzauh=erxvtO0ENZvG0n72Ykp7GAx_gXPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002a01d78710$c9758e30$5c60aa90$@gmail.com>
 <000f01d7874a$efd4a860$cf7df920$@ranteer.com>
 <CAB+rUnV0zzXgn29bFzauh=erxvtO0ENZvG0n72Ykp7GAx_gXPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001701d787c2$edcb7c60$c9627520$@ranteer.com>

www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6 <http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6> 

 

 

 

On Sun., Aug. 1, 2021, 11:08 p.m. dave, <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

1972 TR6.  Lowered with GoodParts stiffer springs, upgrade front sway bar,
added rear sway bar, stiffer valved lever shocks.  Lots of engine mods too.
Car is set up for autocross and my son does quite well in it.

Wife is not so fond of the very stiff ride.

https://www.goodparts.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Sunday, August 1, 2021 3:07 PM
To: 'TR List' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] TR4A rear lever shocks

List:
Forgot to attach a pic of the alternator, narrow pulley kit, and Macy's
hurricane fan installed.

Also, I have been playing with different shock setups on the rear of the 4A.
My 67 4A is an IRS with rebuilt lever shocks with upgraded valves for extra
stiffening.  My suspension is all new with polyurethane bushings and heavy
duty comp springs (1 inch lower).  I notice that on road undulations the
rear bottoms out easily.  My 6 had the tube shock conversion kit and I
installed that with new KYB gas shocks on the 4A.  Road like a modern car
but raised the rear end up a little too high for some reason.   Am I too
optimistic to think that lever shocks even rebuilt with upgraded valves are
going to be acceptable for handling?  Anyone have experience with a nice
firm setup that they would like to share.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 3A
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 14:41:48 2021
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2021 13:41:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1627581602.4432.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1627581602.4432.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAJaD1DP7DfqmphGbUiVqR6=u7urrZPGth3Sqy92R8dn9LO+0Gw@mail.gmail.com>

I wish that article about the simply awful Stag would get lost. There are
those of us who find  it a sweet car to drive and to look at, with the
cooling issues easily attended to with aftermarket improvements.
john howard

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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:03:55 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: [TR] TR 6 evaporative system
> I just replaced the fuel tank in my 1976 TR6 and after a short drive, I
> noticed a leak coming from the vent connection on top of the tank.  I
> tightened the nut on the connection, but don't really understand why there
> would be gas in the vent line.  I also noticed that when I opened the fuel
> cap, there was a hiss like a suction.  I feel that either the vent line,
> which seems open when I blow air through it from the cannister attachment
> or the carb bowls (ZS 175s) may be too full and there is a vacuum that is
> pulling fuel out of the bowls.  My TR6 does run rich.  I don't understand
> why there would be a vacuum in the tank.  Also, I noticed a bit of oil
> around the oil fill cap which I have never seen before.  I checked the oil
> and the level seems correct.  I thought I smelled a bit of gas in it, but
> that may have been a bit of imagination on my part.  Any suggestions would
> be appreciated.
> Regards,
> David Gill
> 1976 TR6
>
>
>
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> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:06:39 -0600
> Subject: [TR] Stag V8
>
> https://driving.ca/auto-news/entertainment/triumphs-v8-the-worst-engine-ever-made
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>
> mjb.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug  3 06:07:51 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 12:07:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DP7DfqmphGbUiVqR6=u7urrZPGth3Sqy92R8dn9LO+0Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.10.1627581602.4432.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <CAJaD1DP7DfqmphGbUiVqR6=u7urrZPGth3Sqy92R8dn9LO+0Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <254611518.1473341.1627992471069@mail.yahoo.com>

 How true.? Back in the day when they were expected to be primary transportation this was an issue.? But forty years later these cars are hobbies and for tech savvy owners part of the appeal is to make the improvements that the factory couldn't afford to do.? And take advantage of hindsight.? And take advantage of technological improvements that came along after these cars were produced.? And all this can be executed in a manner that preserves the character and driving experience intended by the builders in the first place.? 

Enjoy the ride.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com>
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169

I wish that article about the simply awful Stag would get lost. There are those of us who find? it a sweet car to drive and to look at, with the cooling issues easily attended to with aftermarket improvements. 
john howard

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue Aug  3 07:57:58 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 09:57:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169
In-Reply-To: <254611518.1473341.1627992471069@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <254611518.1473341.1627992471069@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DBD65412-BB30-48A6-9CB0-09CDA7971496@fuse.net>

Hi Dave,
I couldn?t agree more with your comments below. When I restored my TR4A, I did it with reliability at the top of the list. I started off with Dan Master?s excellent wire harness and have recently replaced the stock differential with Richard Goods R200 differential kit, CV joint half shafts, rear hubs and Nylatron swing arm bushings. 
I drove me TR4A all the time and not just locally:
2019 - Watkins Glen and on to Stowe,Vt.  3000 miles
2012 - Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 800 miles
Zanesville,Oh. down to the Ohio River next week (? Miles)
They are too much fun to let them sit in the garage!!
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A IRS
DavesTR4A.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2021, at 8:11 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> How true.  Back in the day when they were expected to be primary transportation this was an issue.  But forty years later these cars are hobbies and for tech savvy owners part of the appeal is to make the improvements that the factory couldn't afford to do.  And take advantage of hindsight.  And take advantage of technological improvements that came along after these cars were produced.  And all this can be executed in a manner that preserves the character and driving experience intended by the builders in the first place.  
> 
> Enjoy the ride.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com>
> To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 3:41 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169
> 
> I wish that article about the simply awful Stag would get lost. There are those of us who find  it a sweet car to drive and to look at, with the cooling issues easily attended to with aftermarket improvements. 
> john howard
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug  3 10:01:43 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 16:01:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169
In-Reply-To: <DBD65412-BB30-48A6-9CB0-09CDA7971496@fuse.net>
References: <254611518.1473341.1627992471069@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DBD65412-BB30-48A6-9CB0-09CDA7971496@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <1488888307.1523128.1628006503162@mail.yahoo.com>

 

They are too much fun to let them sit in the garage!!
 Amen, brother!
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: leejohn7 at gmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2021 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169

Hi Dave,I couldn?t agree more with your comments below. When I restored my TR4A, I did it with reliability at the top of the list. I started off with Dan Master?s excellent wire harness and have recently replaced the stock differential with Richard Goods R200 differential kit, CV joint half shafts, rear hubs and Nylatron swing arm bushings.?I drove me TR4A all the time and not just locally:2019 - Watkins Glen and on to Stowe,Vt. ?3000 miles2012 - Pittsburgh Vintage Grand Prix 800 milesZanesville,Oh. down to the Ohio River next week (? Miles)They are too much fun to let them sit in the garage!!Dave Connitt?67 TR4A IRSDavesTR4A.com
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 3, 2021, at 8:11 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:



? How true.? Back in the day when they were expected to be primary transportation this was an issue.? But forty years later these cars are hobbies and for tech savvy owners part of the appeal is to make the improvements that the factory couldn't afford to do.? And take advantage of hindsight.? And take advantage of technological improvements that came along after these cars were produced.? And all this can be executed in a manner that preserves the character and driving experience intended by the builders in the first place.? 

Enjoy the ride.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com>
To: triumph list list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 2, 2021 3:41 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 169

I wish that article about the simply awful Stag would get lost. There are those of us who find? it a sweet car to drive and to look at, with the cooling issues easily attended to with aftermarket improvements. 
john howard

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 13:00:38 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:00:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Lucas L799 Tail Light lenses
Message-ID: <02e101d78899$da082660$8e187320$@gmail.com>

Please contact me off list if you have asset of NOS or really good used tail
light lenses for TR4A.  These have the vertical lines in them and are marked
L799.
Thanks so much,
Jim henningsen
Ocala, FL
Trguy75 at gmail.com


From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug  3 13:09:52 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:09:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration
Message-ID: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>

Just kidding.  Saw this on craigslist in Wichita, KS

 

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1979-triumph-tr7/7357302272.htm
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 13:34:12 2021
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:34:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] Distributors
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwj87FEBb57Kf5QYZxMa65uS3Q=O1=TxMJzkwBpAAOFCkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all ~

Anyone know when Triumph switched from the Lucas DM2 to the
23D or 25D distributor? Are they interchangeable? I don't see
many DM2 parts for sale, by comparison...

Thanks!

Dave  Friedlander
74 Six
59 Three
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From fmags at cox.net  Tue Aug  3 16:16:07 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:16:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
Message-ID: <1FEFA629-CBFF-4BE5-A8A7-7FFD5A4DFD8D@cox.net>


I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.  Makes sense to have one on each side.  Rimmers catelog implies just one.  Also do they go on dry or with sealant?  Thanks.



From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug  3 17:02:07 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 23:02:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration
In-Reply-To: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
References: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <171189969.1627041.1628031727416@mail.yahoo.com>

 Boy, when I was looking for a project I couldn't find any.? Now that I've bought one they are crawling out of the woodwork.
Actually it looks like the bones are pretty good.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2021 2:09 pm
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Aug  3 19:11:55 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 21:11:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration
In-Reply-To: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
References: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <006a01d788cd$b7419240$25c4b6c0$@charter.net>

I always have great reservation about ads where the person can't even write
a simple sentence.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 3:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration

 

Just kidding.  Saw this on craigslist in Wichita, KS

 

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1979-triumph-tr7/7357302272.htm
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug  3 20:25:03 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 02:25:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration
In-Reply-To: <006a01d788cd$b7419240$25c4b6c0$@charter.net>
References: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
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 I'm the consummate grammar Nazi but a poorly executed sentence that doesn't mean the car isn't a lemon.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:22:22 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:22:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
In-Reply-To: <1FEFA629-CBFF-4BE5-A8A7-7FFD5A4DFD8D@cox.net>
References: <1FEFA629-CBFF-4BE5-A8A7-7FFD5A4DFD8D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHPmKTAb83=g64mQLaeT_wqB0O0LHGjUc2swnmyReMJ5g@mail.gmail.com>

The tr6 shows a similar spacer and a gasket on either side.

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:16 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:

>
> I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the
> pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on
> each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.  Makes sense to
> have one on each side.  Rimmers catelog implies just one.  Also do they go
> on dry or with sealant?  Thanks.
>
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 23:23:01 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:23:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHPmKTAb83=g64mQLaeT_wqB0O0LHGjUc2swnmyReMJ5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1FEFA629-CBFF-4BE5-A8A7-7FFD5A4DFD8D@cox.net>
 <CANLCLaHPmKTAb83=g64mQLaeT_wqB0O0LHGjUc2swnmyReMJ5g@mail.gmail.com>
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https://trf.zeni.net/TR6bluebook/38.php#AZ25

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 10:22 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> The tr6 shows a similar spacer and a gasket on either side.
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:16 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the
>> pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on
>> each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.  Makes sense to
>> have one on each side.  Rimmers catelog implies just one.  Also do they go
>> on dry or with sealant?  Thanks.
>>
>>
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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 06:24:23 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnus son)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 07:24:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHPmKTAb83=g64mQLaeT_wqB0O0LHGjUc2swnmyReMJ5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E3B1C127-0494-4601-BD46-A76B9D3847CC@cox.net>

Awesome! Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The tr6 shows a similar spacer and a gasket on either side.
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:16 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.  Makes sense to have one on each side.  Rimmers catelog implies just one.  Also do they go on dry or with sealant?  Thanks.
>> 
>> 
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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Wed Aug  4 06:50:36 2021
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (pdqtr6)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 08:50:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
In-Reply-To: <E3B1C127-0494-4601-BD46-A76B9D3847CC@cox.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1628081439.5552.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Put one on each side and never use sealant on intake manifold gaskets.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Frank Magnus son <fmags at cox.net> Date: 8/4/21  8:25 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators Awesome! Thanks!Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 4, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:?The tr6 shows a similar spacer and a gasket on either?side.On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:16 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.? Makes sense to have one on each side.? Rimmers catelog implies just one.? Also do they go on dry or with sealant?? Thanks.


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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 15:36:22 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:36:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Interesting TR6 article
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNKevNyk6zN_+-n3sFT7Wxv_ttm5k+ZToPCdw-KAYuoWg@mail.gmail.com>

I found this article about a 1959 TR6 interesting...

https://www.bikeexif.com/triumph-tr6-desert-sled
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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 16:12:44 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:12:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag carb adapter insulators
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References: <1FEFA629-CBFF-4BE5-A8A7-7FFD5A4DFD8D@cox.net>
 <CANLCLaHPmKTAb83=g64mQLaeT_wqB0O0LHGjUc2swnmyReMJ5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D662F94A-7573-4388-890B-7250527C73E3@cox.net>

Thanks.  That makes sense and was what I assumed.  Got the parts today from England (ordered Saturday!) and definitely needs a gasket in each side. Thanks for the help.

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 4, 2021, at 12:22 AM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The tr6 shows a similar spacer and a gasket on either side.
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 3:16 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm about to replace the insulators/spacers between the carbs and the pedestal adapter along with the gaskets and not sure if I need a gasket on each side of the insulator/spacer or only on the carb side.  Makes sense to have one on each side.  Rimmers catelog implies just one.  Also do they go on dry or with sealant?  Thanks.
>> 
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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Aug  4 16:16:26 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 17:16:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag cold air intake thermal sensor/switch
Message-ID: <B7EB915C-85EB-42CE-B69E-0F0AE7D43AE4@cox.net>

Does anyone know of a U.S. equivalent for the vacuum operated thermal sensor/switch that goes in the air filter box?  Usual suppliers no longer stock it and and I found one from a fellow on the Stag FB group from an MG metro that needs to be modified, but wonder if there is one in the states since it is an AC (Ford) part.

Thanks,
Frank

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Aug  4 21:13:50 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 03:13:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration
In-Reply-To: <783883243.1662802.1628043903278@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000701d7889b$23ed9480$6bc8bd80$@ranteer.com>
 <006a01d788cd$b7419240$25c4b6c0$@charter.net>,
 <783883243.1662802.1628043903278@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4613EF0F49C070889E6B281FFAF29@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Dave,

I see what you done there?

Cliff


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From: DAVID MASSEY<mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:27 PM
To: aljlthomson at charter.net<mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net>; dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] no rust easy restoration

I'm the consummate grammar Nazi but a poorly executed sentence that doesn't mean the car isn't a lemon.

Dave


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To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Aug 3, 2021 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] no rust easy restoration
I always have great reservation about ads where the person can?t even write a simple sentence.

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2021 3:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] no rust easy restoration

Just kidding.  Saw this on craigslist in Wichita, KS

https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/wichita-1979-triumph-tr7/7357302272.html


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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Aug  5 14:58:39 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 15:58:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
Message-ID: <000001d78a3c$ab132b30$01398190$@ranteer.com>

I'm looking for info on TR6 racing history.  Googling is not giving me much

 

I thought I had read that a TR6 eked out a win against a TR7 around 1976?

 

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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:29:41 2021
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:29:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
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Paul Newman versus Lee Mueller.  I sure wish I could have seen that one.

https://www.vtr.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf
www.vtr.org<https://www.vtr.org/tsoa/TSOASepOct76.pdf>
Created Date: 8/4/2006 10:27:51 AM
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Sent: Thursday, August 5, 2021 3:58 PM
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Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history


I?m looking for info on TR6 racing history.  Googling is not giving me much



I thought I had read that a TR6 eked out a win against a TR7 around 1976?



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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug  6 06:48:32 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:48:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR6 racing history
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 There is a guy in the St. Louis region, Dennis Wilson (no, not the Beach Boy) who raced a TR6 in the late 70's at a time the factory was running a TR7 (TR6 was out of production at this time).? He had film footage of a race where he was leading a race with a factory Porsche 924 hot on his tail.? One lap to go and Dennis lost a section of tire tread and the Porsche slipped by.? The commentary was hilarious.? The play-by-play guys were incredulous that this dowager TR6, a car designed in the 50's, was beating Porsche's latest offering.? And he would have had the tire held together. 

Also, all the while the factory TR7 was a close third.

I checked You Tube but I could not find that film posted.? But if you look up Wilson Motors, that's the guy.
Didn't Paul Newman race a TR6 at one point?? Group 44?
 
Dave 

 
 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug  6 07:24:44 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 08:24:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR6 racing history
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Best I can tell, Paul Newman won the 1976 SCCA D Production championship in a TR6, beating the factory TR7.  That was Newman Haas Racing, not Group 44.  Rumor has it that he purchased the car from Group 44 car as they had moved on to Jaguars I think.  That?s all I can find. 

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 7:49 AM
To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] TR6 racing history

 

There is a guy in the St. Louis region, Dennis Wilson (no, not the Beach Boy) who raced a TR6 in the late 70's at a time the factory was running a TR7 (TR6 was out of production at this time).  He had film footage of a race where he was leading a race with a factory Porsche 924 hot on his tail.  One lap to go and Dennis lost a section of tire tread and the Porsche slipped by.  The commentary was hilarious.  The play-by-play guys were incredulous that this dowager TR6, a car designed in the 50's, was beating Porsche's latest offering.  And he would have had the tire held together. 

 

Also, all the while the factory TR7 was a close third.

 

I checked You Tube but I could not find that film posted.  But if you look up Wilson Motors, that's the guy.

 

Didn't Paul Newman race a TR6 at one point?  Group 44?

 

Dave 

 

 

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To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 5, 2021 3:58 pm
Subject: [6pack] TR6 racing history

I?m looking for info on TR6 racing history.  Googling is not giving me much

 

I thought I had read that a TR6 eked out a win against a TR7 around 1976?

 

Thanks!

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Aug  6 08:08:07 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:08:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
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Talk to Ted Schumacher (tsimportedautomotive.com)
He was DRIVING/RACING TR7's back then!??? LOTS of stories with him and 
Cook and Tullius!
We must have spent the better part of an evening watching a crap load of 
his old videos in his living room one evening.

ptegler


On 8/5/2021 4:58 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I???m looking for info on TR6 racing history.??? Googling is not giving me 
> much
>
> I thought I had read that a TR6 eked out a win against a TR7 around 1976?
>
> Thanks!
>
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From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 08:34:05 2021
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:34:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] Air box temperature sensor/valve
Message-ID: <CADy_YYrge8SiCv3YKwAwA-+pc8cGg2=Pvyaq1LqxaRgYa3pZAA@mail.gmail.com>

Frank, I don't know about the Stag, but my TR7 has a sensor/valve from an
'80's mid-sized GM car that I recall was a direct replacement for the
original.  I have long lost the box so I can't give you a part number
reference,  but if you have the original, take it to your local parts store
and see if they can match it up.

Bill Smith
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 09:11:32 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 08:11:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag cold air intake thermal sensor/switch
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Frank. Maybe Michael Coffey from the Stag club has one. I can dig out a
contact later today from my computer.

Sujit

On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 3:17 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:

> Does anyone know of a U.S. equivalent for the vacuum operated thermal
> sensor/switch that goes in the air filter box?  Usual suppliers no longer
> stock it and and I found one from a fellow on the Stag FB group from an MG
> metro that needs to be modified, but wonder if there is one in the states
> since it is an AC (Ford) part.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug  6 09:30:17 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:30:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch info
Message-ID: <000f01d78ad7$f5ee5d00$e1cb1700$@ranteer.com>

https://www.ranteer.com/davescars/clutch/

 

a nice write up from John Cgy

 

thanks, John!

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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug  6 09:46:32 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:46:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
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1975 SCCA national championship john mccomb in a TR6 driving for Group 44.  

 

not sure what class.  Anyone know?

 

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From rjones at wfeca.net  Fri Aug  6 16:04:11 2021
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 17:04:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Graham Robson
Message-ID: <E0969401-AEE2-454A-8E11-0ED334B4D3D5@wfeca.net>

Copied from the TR Register:


Many in the world of motoring and motorsport have lost a good friend with the death of Graham Robson on 6 August 2021. He enjoyed a busy professional life which continued right up until his passing. Graham Robson wrote over 169 books, some published in several other languages, and countless newspaper and magazine features, which must have made him the most prolific motoring author ever. But quantity did not affect quality - his books, mainly covering classic cars and rallying, were all meticulously researched and well written: on many subjects his books are now the 'standard works'. Because of his wide motoring knowledge, Graham was regularly called on to be master of ceremonies or commentator for national club events. It also helped him become President of the TR Register, Vice President of Club Triumph and Honorary Life member of several others clubs.
Alec Arthur Graham Robson was born in Skipton, Yorkshire, on 18th January 1936 to Clifford and Kathleen Robson. An only child, he was educated at a local school then at Ermysteds Grammar School before going up to Lincoln College, Oxford, where he read Engineering.
His first job was as a Graduate Trainee at Jaguar cars in 1957. His subsequent career became almost a perfect training path for someone destined to become a leading author:
In 1961 he became a Development Engineer, then Competition Secretary at Standard- Triumph where he presided over the successful Works TR4 rally campaigns and the victory at Le Mans for the Triumph Spitfire. He worked at Autocar magazine from 1965 and the Rootes Group (which became Chrysler UK) in 1969, becoming their Chief Engineer in Product Proving . He then had a spell as Technical Director at Kangol before becoming a full time independent motoring writer, researcher and author in 1972. That word 'independent' cannot be stressed too highly because whatever his links with the manufacturer of a car he was writing about, his research was always thorough and he never pulled his punches. Once asked what was his most memorable motoring moment he said: "First sight of the Ford RS200, the day it was shown to a privileged few, before its public launch." It was typical of the esteem in which he was held by manufacturers as well as enthusiasts that he was invariably on that list.
Many of Graham's books were about motorsport. Perhaps not surprising because he got involved in the sport as a rally co-driver in the mid-50s; he said that his passion for writing was triggered by writing modest rally reports in those days for Motoring News. He became one of the leading UK co-drivers, competing in works teams and winning the Welsh International Rally with Roger Clark in 1965.
He ran Standard-Triumph's motorsport programme from 1962 to 1965 and then got heavily involved in running many different rally championships for Ford Motorsport. 
Graham married Pamela in 1962 and they had two sons, Hamish who is now a senior design engineer with Toyota Motorsport in Germany, and Jonathan who is an experienced Landscape Gardener in Dorset. He moved to live in a picture postcard village in Dorset in 1981, thereafter travelling widely on business, and for pleasure. Sadly, Pamela died in 2014 after a long illness.
Graham was recognised by the Classic Car community in 2018 when he was awarded the coveted Lifetime Achievement Award at the National Car Club Awards, held at the NEC in Birmingham. 

Graham Robson published more motoring books in the UK than any other author. His most successful and best-known books include:
The Works Escorts
Triumph Cars ? the Complete Story (co-written with Richard Langworth)
The Cars of BMC
Cosworth ? the Search for Power
The Works Triumphs
Cars in the UK (2 volumes)
Boreham
World Cup Rally 40
Grand Prix Ford ? Cosworth and the DFV

The world of motoring will never be quite the same again. Rest in peace, Graham Robson. 

Graham Robson was well known for his commentary and presenting at TR Register events in the arena with his close friend, Wayne Scott.
news <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/news> graham robson <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/graham-robson> obituary <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/obituary>
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From Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu  Fri Aug  6 16:42:20 2021
From: Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu (Reihing, Randall S.)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 22:42:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL]  Graham Robson
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A huge loss of a fine man who can never be replaced. Very, very sad.

With my deepest sympathy to his family.

Randall Reihing
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Robert Jones <rjones at wfeca.net>
Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 6:04 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] Graham Robson

Copied from the TR Register:


Many in the world of motoring and motorsport have lost a good friend with the death of Graham Robson on 6 August 2021. He enjoyed a busy professional life which continued right up until his passing. Graham Robson wrote over 169 books, some published in several other languages, and countless newspaper and magazine features, which must have made him the most prolific motoring author ever. But quantity did not affect quality - his books, mainly covering classic cars and rallying, were all meticulously researched and well written: on many subjects his books are now the 'standard works'. Because of his wide motoring knowledge, Graham was regularly called on to be master of ceremonies or commentator for national club events. It also helped him become President of the TR Register, Vice President of Club Triumph and Honorary Life member of several others clubs.

Alec Arthur Graham Robson was born in Skipton, Yorkshire, on 18th January 1936 to Clifford and Kathleen Robson. An only child, he was educated at a local school then at Ermysteds Grammar School before going up to Lincoln College, Oxford, where he read Engineering.

His first job was as a Graduate Trainee at Jaguar cars in 1957. His subsequent career became almost a perfect training path for someone destined to become a leading author:

In 1961 he became a Development Engineer, then Competition Secretary at Standard- Triumph where he presided over the successful Works TR4 rally campaigns and the victory at Le Mans for the Triumph Spitfire. He worked at Autocar magazine from 1965 and the Rootes Group (which became Chrysler UK) in 1969, becoming their Chief Engineer in Product Proving . He then had a spell as Technical Director at Kangol before becoming a full time independent motoring writer, researcher and author in 1972. That word 'independent' cannot be stressed too highly because whatever his links with the manufacturer of a car he was writing about, his research was always thorough and he never pulled his punches. Once asked what was his most memorable motoring moment he said: "First sight of the Ford RS200, the day it was shown to a privileged few, before its public launch." It was typical of the esteem in which he was held by manufacturers as well as enthusiasts that he was invariably on that list.

Many of Graham's books were about motorsport. Perhaps not surprising because he got involved in the sport as a rally co-driver in the mid-50s; he said that his passion for writing was triggered by writing modest rally reports in those days for Motoring News. He became one of the leading UK co-drivers, competing in works teams and winning the Welsh International Rally with Roger Clark in 1965.

He ran Standard-Triumph's motorsport programme from 1962 to 1965 and then got heavily involved in running many different rally championships for Ford Motorsport.

Graham married Pamela in 1962 and they had two sons, Hamish who is now a senior design engineer with Toyota Motorsport in Germany, and Jonathan who is an experienced Landscape Gardener in Dorset. He moved to live in a picture postcard village in Dorset in 1981, thereafter travelling widely on business, and for pleasure. Sadly, Pamela died in 2014 after a long illness.

Graham was recognised by the Classic Car community in 2018 when he was awarded the coveted Lifetime Achievement Award at the National Car Club Awards, held at the NEC in Birmingham.


Graham Robson published more motoring books in the UK than any other author. His most successful and best-known books include:

The Works Escorts

Triumph Cars ? the Complete Story (co-written with Richard Langworth)

The Cars of BMC

Cosworth ? the Search for Power

The Works Triumphs

Cars in the UK (2 volumes)

Boreham

World Cup Rally 40

Grand Prix Ford ? Cosworth and the DFV


The world of motoring will never be quite the same again. Rest in peace, Graham Robson.

[cid:19645DFC-87B5-4BC4-B247-0193C524D4CC at lan]

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 17:27:46 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 18:27:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Graham Robson
In-Reply-To: <E0969401-AEE2-454A-8E11-0ED334B4D3D5@wfeca.net>
References: <E0969401-AEE2-454A-8E11-0ED334B4D3D5@wfeca.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFB9bcNCszpSUZygQjMvUABVuqaeMtVtxcyGoEnauS4G7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Rest in peace, Graham.

Here's a link to the TRR's front page (with the info first posted by Robert
Jones):
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2021/08/0274/Graham-Robson-Honorary-President-of-the-TR-Register-and-Former-Triumph-Works-Competition-Secretary-passes-away-aged-85

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021 at 5:18 PM Robert Jones <rjones at wfeca.net> wrote:

> Copied from the TR Register:
>
>
> Many in the world of motoring and motorsport have lost a good friend with
> the death of Graham Robson on 6 August 2021. He enjoyed a busy professional
> life which continued right up until his passing. Graham Robson wrote over
> 169 books, some published in several other languages, and countless
> newspaper and magazine features, which must have made him the most prolific
> motoring author ever. But quantity did not affect quality - his books,
> mainly covering classic cars and rallying, were all meticulously researched
> and well written: on many subjects his books are now the 'standard works'.
> Because of his wide motoring knowledge, Graham was regularly called on to
> be master of ceremonies or commentator for national club events. It also
> helped him become President of the TR Register, Vice President of Club
> Triumph and Honorary Life member of several others clubs.
>
> Alec Arthur Graham Robson was born in Skipton, Yorkshire, on 18th January
> 1936 to Clifford and Kathleen Robson. An only child, he was educated at a
> local school then at Ermysteds Grammar School before going up to Lincoln
> College, Oxford, where he read Engineering.
>
> His first job was as a Graduate Trainee at Jaguar cars in 1957. His
> subsequent career became almost a perfect training path for someone
> destined to become a leading author:
>
> In 1961 he became a Development Engineer, then Competition Secretary at
> Standard- Triumph where he presided over the successful Works TR4 rally
> campaigns and the victory at Le Mans for the Triumph Spitfire. He worked
> at Autocar magazine from 1965 and the Rootes Group (which became Chrysler
> UK) in 1969, becoming their Chief Engineer in Product Proving . He then had
> a spell as Technical Director at Kangol before becoming a full time
> independent motoring writer, researcher and author in 1972. That word
> 'independent' cannot be stressed too highly because whatever his links with
> the manufacturer of a car he was writing about, his research was always
> thorough and he never pulled his punches. Once asked what was his most
> memorable motoring moment he said: "First sight of the Ford RS200, the day
> it was shown to a privileged few, before its public launch." It was typical
> of the esteem in which he was held by manufacturers as well as enthusiasts
> that he was invariably on that list.
>
> Many of Graham's books were about motorsport. Perhaps not surprising
> because he got involved in the sport as a rally co-driver in the mid-50s;
> he said that his passion for writing was triggered by writing modest rally
> reports in those days for Motoring News. He became one of the leading UK
> co-drivers, competing in works teams and winning the Welsh International
> Rally with Roger Clark in 1965.
>
> He ran Standard-Triumph's motorsport programme from 1962 to 1965 and then
> got heavily involved in running many different rally championships for Ford
> Motorsport.
>
> Graham married Pamela in 1962 and they had two sons, Hamish who is now a
> senior design engineer with Toyota Motorsport in Germany, and Jonathan who
> is an experienced Landscape Gardener in Dorset. He moved to live in a
> picture postcard village in Dorset in 1981, thereafter travelling widely on
> business, and for pleasure. Sadly, Pamela died in 2014 after a long illness.
>
> Graham was recognised by the Classic Car community in 2018 when he was
> awarded the coveted Lifetime Achievement Award at the National Car Club
> Awards, held at the NEC in Birmingham.
>
> Graham Robson published more motoring books in the UK than any other
> author. His most successful and best-known books include:
>
> The Works Escorts
>
> Triumph Cars ? the Complete Story (co-written with Richard Langworth)
>
> The Cars of BMC
>
> Cosworth ? the Search for Power
>
> The Works Triumphs
>
> Cars in the UK (2 volumes)
>
> Boreham
>
> World Cup Rally 40
>
> Grand Prix Ford ? Cosworth and the DFV
>
> The world of motoring will never be quite the same again. Rest in peace,
> Graham Robson.
>
> Graham Robson was well known for his commentary and presenting at TR
> Register events in the arena with his close friend, Wayne Scott.
>
>    - news <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/news>
>    - graham robson
>    <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/graham-robson>
>    - obituary <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/articles/tag/obituary>
>
> Related Articles
>
>    - Tony Lee, Triumph's Chief Development Engineer dies aged 86.
>    <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2015/09/0028/Tony-Lee-Triumphs-Chief-Development-Engineer-dies-aged-86>
>    - Sir Michael Edwardes 1930 - 2019
>    <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2019/10/0201/Sir-Michael-Edwardes-1930-2019>
>    - All members invited to the funeral of Merv Parkes 1950 - 2017.
>    <https://www.tr-register.co.uk/article/2017/11/0115/All-members-invited-to-the-funeral-of-Merv-Parkes-1950-2017>
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Aug  6 20:54:46 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:54:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
In-Reply-To: <001f01d78ada$3b4748b0$b1d5da10$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d78a3c$ab132b30$01398190$@ranteer.com>
 <CH2PR12MB3911092E15515BB718261DA9B9F39@CH2PR12MB3911.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
 <001f01d78ada$3b4748b0$b1d5da10$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <47573469-7de0-1ab8-b486-cb7c8f6e9124@bradakis.com>

On 8/6/21 9:46 AM, dave wrote:
>
> 1975 SCCA national championship john mccomb in a TR6 driving for Group 
> 44.
>
> not sure what class.? Anyone know?
>

The carb version was D Production, the injected ones were C Production.? 
Paul Newman's car is still around as far as I knw, I have seen it at a 
few Kastner Cup events.

mjb.



From fmags at cox.net  Sat Aug  7 08:37:36 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 09:37:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, TR6, GT6 Stromberg Carbs
Message-ID: <F4BC5687-01FD-4B86-9828-342AB2C43A21@cox.net>

Carb insulators.  Just pulled my carbs off the intake Y adapter on my Stag to replace the insulators/gaskets which were leaking and have a question.  The original insulators have a slot on one side that mates to what appears to be a passage on the carb face (the side with the 4 attachment bolts).  BUT the new insulators and gaskets from Rimmers do not have this slot at all.  Wondering what the purpose of the slot is and if I need to have the insulators machined to have a slot cut into them or if they are ok to install as is without the slot.  ROM mentions to align the insulator with the slot as does TR6 guidance.  Stromberg overhaul manual doesn't even mention it.

Sent from my iPad

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Aug  7 09:07:19 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 11:07:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] alternator 72 TR6
Message-ID: <c695d431-1ef5-bf6c-8f63-1440bd9226ba@adelphia.net>

Hello,

Just started up my 72 idle since May. Started fine but the ignition 
light flickered after a few minutes and then the ammeter was alternating 
from about 3+ amps to 3- amps along with the flicker. Turned on the head 
lights and no flicker. Drove down to get gas and flicker continued 
unless I put on the brakes.

Just put it in the garage and after starting, the normal +10 or so on 
the ammeter then normal.

Is it time for a new alternator or is rebuildable? Delco I believe.

Thanks,

Bob+


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Aug  7 09:47:58 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 racing history
In-Reply-To: <47573469-7de0-1ab8-b486-cb7c8f6e9124@bradakis.com>
References: <000001d78a3c$ab132b30$01398190$@ranteer.com>
 <CH2PR12MB3911092E15515BB718261DA9B9F39@CH2PR12MB3911.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
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 <47573469-7de0-1ab8-b486-cb7c8f6e9124@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <785734845.500931.1628351279225@connect.xfinity.com>

Paul Newman's TR6 was the champ winning Group 44 car.  He purchased it moments after it won the championship, right after the race.  He painted it black and silver, like his other cars.  Bill Warner owned it until recently.  Bill had it restored back to Group 44 livery.  Bill also owns one of the Group 44 TR8s.  The TR6 was purchased by Adam Carolla.  Adam has been buying every race car Paul ever owned or drove. The TR6 has been restored back to the black and silver Newman livery.  
Search Adam Carolla or Paul Newman's race cars to find out more. 
Good stuff.
Dave H. 
> On 08/06/2021 7:54 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> On 8/6/21 9:46 AM, dave wrote:
> >
> > 1975 SCCA national championship john mccomb in a TR6 driving for Group 
> > 44.
> >
> > not sure what class.? Anyone know?
> >
> 
> The carb version was D Production, the injected ones were C Production.? 
> Paul Newman's car is still around as far as I knw, I have seen it at a 
> few Kastner Cup events.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Aug  7 16:55:43 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 22:55:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] alternator 72 TR6
In-Reply-To: <c695d431-1ef5-bf6c-8f63-1440bd9226ba@adelphia.net>
References: <c695d431-1ef5-bf6c-8f63-1440bd9226ba@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <1925182562.167272.1628376943612@mail.yahoo.com>

 A shorted diode in the bridge can cause the ignition light to come on even if the alternator is charging.? The diode assembly is replaceable but requires a pretty good soldering iron.? If you are not comfortable doing that I recommend replacing the alternator.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; six pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2021 10:07 am
Subject: [6pack] alternator 72 TR6

Hello,

Just started up my 72 idle since May. Started fine but the ignition 
light flickered after a few minutes and then the ammeter was alternating 
from about 3+ amps to 3- amps along with the flicker. Turned on the head 
lights and no flicker. Drove down to get gas and flicker continued 
unless I put on the brakes.

Just put it in the garage and after starting, the normal +10 or so on 
the ammeter then normal.

Is it time for a new alternator or is rebuildable? Delco I believe.

Thanks,

Bob+

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Aug  7 17:00:37 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 23:00:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Stag, TR6, GT6 Stromberg Carbs
In-Reply-To: <F4BC5687-01FD-4B86-9828-342AB2C43A21@cox.net>
References: <F4BC5687-01FD-4B86-9828-342AB2C43A21@cox.net>
Message-ID: <805250273.168967.1628377237907@mail.yahoo.com>

 Check the face of the carb where it bolts up to the insulator.? Is there a small port in the approximate area where you find the slot in the old insulator?? I believe it is for the over-run valve and perhaps one of the other control devices bolted on the side of the carb.? Those may not work properly without the slot.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2021 9:37 am
Subject: [TR] Stag, TR6, GT6 Stromberg Carbs

Carb insulators.? Just pulled my carbs off the intake Y adapter on my Stag to replace the insulators/gaskets which were leaking and have a question.? The original insulators have a slot on one side that mates to what appears to be a passage on the carb face (the side with the 4 attachment bolts).? BUT the new insulators and gaskets from Rimmers do not have this slot at all.? Wondering what the purpose of the slot is and if I need to have the insulators machined to have a slot cut into them or if they are ok to install as is without the slot.? ROM mentions to align the insulator with the slot as does TR6 guidance.? Stromberg overhaul manual doesn't even mention it.

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From fmags at cox.net  Sat Aug  7 17:51:33 2021
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 18:51:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, TR6, GT6 Stromberg Carbs
In-Reply-To: <805250273.168967.1628377237907@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <F4BC5687-01FD-4B86-9828-342AB2C43A21@cox.net>
 <805250273.168967.1628377237907@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9B70578-446A-4E17-98B8-988B0C124034@cox.net>

Thanks Dave,

You're right.  Turns out it is a port to the bypass valve, which the US Stag carbs had but the UK ones did not.  Same as TR6 which has that slot in the insulators.  Will either order a set of TR6 insulators which hopefully are the same thickness or just cut the slot in the ones I have.

Thanks,
Frank

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 7, 2021, at 6:00 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> Check the face of the carb where it bolts up to the insulator.  Is there a small port in the approximate area where you find the slot in the old insulator?  I believe it is for the over-run valve and perhaps one of the other control devices bolted on the side of the carb.  Those may not work properly without the slot.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sat, Aug 7, 2021 9:37 am
> Subject: [TR] Stag, TR6, GT6 Stromberg Carbs
> 
> Carb insulators.  Just pulled my carbs off the intake Y adapter on my Stag to replace the insulators/gaskets which were leaking and have a question.  The original insulators have a slot on one side that mates to what appears to be a passage on the carb face (the side with the 4 attachment bolts).  BUT the new insulators and gaskets from Rimmers do not have this slot at all.  Wondering what the purpose of the slot is and if I need to have the insulators machined to have a slot cut into them or if they are ok to install as is without the slot.  ROM mentions to align the insulator with the slot as does TR6 guidance.  Stromberg overhaul manual doesn't even mention it.
> 
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From robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  8 08:24:54 2021
From: robertlangtr6 at yahoo.com (Robert Lang)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 14:24:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 in Competition
References: <1160508168.764575.1628432694536.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1160508168.764575.1628432694536@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
Several things:
The Paul Newman story is well documented in both video and printed format - check them out.
There is a book about the Works Triumphs - you might find some information there.
I'm pretty sure the 75 McComb SCCA championship was D Prod. Newman's 76 was DP - the car had been reclassified from C Prod.
There was a film released about the Denny Wilson runner up race - I've seen it on YouToob. It's funny hearing David Hobbs early in his broadcast career. I say that as a consumate David Hobbs fan, of course.
Back to the Newman car - it was the same car that McComb drove - sold to PLN and raced and then sold. That car (and as legend has it) was totalled but re-emerged in the mid to late 80's and was purchased and restored by Bill Warner? (Amelia Island) and sold somewhat recently to Adam Corolla. When Warner had the car, it was dressed as Gp 44, Corolla has returned the car to PLN livery.
Depending on what you are looking for, I may be able to help you with other TR6 competition information...
Regards,Bob Lang
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Aug  8 12:46:24 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 18:46:24 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A steering rack
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4613A52FFD26219E1ECBD115FAF59@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.

Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal against water.

I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.

Thanks

Cliff

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Aug  8 14:49:33 2021
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 15:49:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A steering rack
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR14MB4613A52FFD26219E1ECBD115FAF59@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR14MB4613A52FFD26219E1ECBD115FAF59@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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I THINK that's a locating lug that should have a corresponding peg on 
the aluminum mount between the rack and the bracket on the frame.? If 
so, the mount should pretty much seal up the hole. However I'm not 100% 
sure about that.

Regards, Tony

On 8/8/2021 1:46 PM, Cliff Hansen wrote:
> I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to 
> wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the 
> tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.
>
> Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole 
> is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a 
> bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to 
> use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal 
> against water.
>
> I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. 
> I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From davgil at aol.com  Sun Aug  8 16:15:46 2021
From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 22:15:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sending switch
References: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614@mail.yahoo.com>

Wanted to validate my understanding of the low oil pressure sending switch on a 1976 TR6.? I noted that a wire was not hooked up and when I hooked it up, the oil pressure warning light came on and stayed on when the car was cranked.? In the 25 years I have owned this vehicle, I have never seen the low oil pressure light on so didn't realize that there was a problem. I put a meter from the switch to the positive battery terminal.? When I crank the car, there is 13.7 volts, regardless of the oil pressure.? My sense is that the switch should only ground under very low oil pressure, and that when suitable pressure is achieved, the ground is disconnected.? My assumption is that there is an internal short in the switch which is keeping the ground connected regardless of oil pressure.? Would this be a correct assumption, or is there another issue???David Gill1976 TR6
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Aug  9 05:49:03 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:49:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>

Hello,

Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.

Bob

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/


From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Aug  9 06:14:32 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:14:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <3414E5D6-5EE3-4BE9-8976-07BBE7ECDAF3@albiontechnical.com>

Conspiracy theories!  What a load of tosh.

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

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> On Aug 9, 2021, at 06:49, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon Aug  9 06:20:13 2021
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:20:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <3A5E11B8-7783-4E9A-B9E7-11C46A8A1607@comcast.net>

This article looks like bullshit to me and has a clear political agenda. The Triumph list has successfully steered clear of political discussions and, to my mind, should continue to do so. This content  is best left to other more appropriate forums.
Best,
Bob
?72 TR6

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> On Aug 9, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 06:21:08 2021
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:21:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
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I see a lot of really belligerent rhetoric, but no facts or sources.   I
think this guy is just trying to get people riled up.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 6:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Aug  9 06:38:43 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:38:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
Message-ID: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>

Hello,

The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important 
for us to read.

Bob


From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Aug  9 06:42:15 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:42:15 +0000
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
In-Reply-To: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
References: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <99EE2370-4427-430D-A9F5-4566E7E7D215@albiontechnical.com>

But it was written by a guy with an obvious agenda. His tag line is ?cars, motorcycles, and libertarian politics?.  I can?t take anything seriously that is that overt. 

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 07:39, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important for us to read.
> 
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 07:00:48 2021
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 06:00:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bF8XvVTTqZcQVtsfE5jOcO+oizMapdHPGitR30cNJ2X4g@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, utter B.S. paranoia.  We heard similar conspiracy theories 21
years ago.

Geo

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 4:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 07:04:09 2021
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 06:04:09 -0700
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
In-Reply-To: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
References: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEV3k5v2NZ4HhGmb7syPQ0mfjK-vatSekbSdmtEYG9ynQ@mail.gmail.com>

Okay, I'll accept that the post was not meant to be political, but the
linked article certainly was.

I think you got played by a (not too clever) fear monger.

Geo

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:39 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

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>
> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important
> for us to read.
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 07:19:44 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:19:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEV3k5v2NZ4HhGmb7syPQ0mfjK-vatSekbSdmtEYG9ynQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
 <CANzE1bEV3k5v2NZ4HhGmb7syPQ0mfjK-vatSekbSdmtEYG9ynQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAh3vMnVx1ZdS1=9wKkaC0d3Naby1EzyXQyg6-oMNspTA@mail.gmail.com>

That was a loopy, alarmist article, and definitely political in its
original intent.

I recall my automotives professor, Doc Schraeder, telling the university
class more than forty years ago, "I've washed my hands in more gasoline
than your grandkids will ever see."

He might have been off a generation, but not by much.  We'll have ICE
engines for at least another century, but they'll become curious old
conveyances.  ...Well, some of ours already are, I guess!

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:04 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'll accept that the post was not meant to be political, but the
> linked article certainly was.
>
> I think you got played by a (not too clever) fear monger.
>
> Geo
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:39 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important
>> for us to read.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Aug  9 08:55:18 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 09:55:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAh3vMnVx1ZdS1=9wKkaC0d3Naby1EzyXQyg6-oMNspTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d@adelphia.net>
 <CANzE1bEV3k5v2NZ4HhGmb7syPQ0mfjK-vatSekbSdmtEYG9ynQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000001d78d2e$924caeb0$b6e60c10$@ranteer.com>

There are organizations such as SEMA and individuals such as Jay Leno who lobby on behalf of our hobby.

 

They are very, very important.  There are many, many people who believe that old cars should be scrapped.  

 

I don?t think I?m the only one who has been told:  Why do you have another car?  You can only drive one car at a time.

 

Although this article may be a little on the extreme side, it has many valid points.  Remember the seat belt lock in 1974? 

 

We need to be aware of those who seek to destroy us (or at least our hobby).  They are out there.  In government.  Now.

 

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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Aug  9 10:48:13 2021
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <1135943300.974131.1628527693262@myemail.cox.net>

Never believe anything written by a Libertarian.  Their agenda is to abolish all laws.  End of story!


> On August 9, 2021 at 7:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
> 
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From mcgaheyrx at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 11:32:27 2021
From: mcgaheyrx at aol.com (CAROLINE MCGAHEY)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 13:32:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <1135943300.974131.1628527693262@myemail.cox.net>
References: <1135943300.974131.1628527693262@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <A955D301-E9A6-4BAC-BDF4-DA2EAC9BBE39@aol.com>

STOP IT JOE!

Yours was a political post - you should know better

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:48 PM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Never believe anything written by a Libertarian.  Their agenda is to abolish all laws.  End of story!
> 
> 
>> On August 9, 2021 at 7:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
>> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
>> 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Aug  9 12:02:45 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] new law
In-Reply-To: <3414E5D6-5EE3-4BE9-8976-07BBE7ECDAF3@albiontechnical.com>
References: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c@adelphia.net>
 <3414E5D6-5EE3-4BE9-8976-07BBE7ECDAF3@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <616597896.439187.1628532165821@mail.yahoo.com>

hilarious.... a little common sense says if anything...electric would replace ICE...BUT...stop and think...the elec grid in the US can barely handle homes and industry. Adda couple million (10s, 100s' of) cars charging every night at a load rate nearing your AC system.... good luck!? Commons sense says B.S.oops...sorry,? attribution, responsibility, and common sense are dirty words these days.
ptegler


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
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Sent: Mon, Aug 9, 2021 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [TR] new law

Conspiracy theories!? What a load of tosh.

Michael Marr

Mobile:? 630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 06:49, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ericpetersautos.com_2021_08_08_how-2Dthe-2Dnew-2Dmileage-2Dtax-2Dwill-2Dget-2Dyour-2Dold-2Dcar-2Doff-2Dthe-2Droad_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=hrN_Rqd-RUIhTDzC6OEOfb3Y_f2mSnKSlJsOkt_rgsw&s=dhKyd-AMYXTAd3hLYkb3EQQIz2oVVi6Rqzun3ANSL6o&e=
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Aug  9 14:12:48 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 20:12:48 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A steering rack
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR14MB4613A52FFD26219E1ECBD115FAF59@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR14MB4613A52FFD26219E1ECBD115FAF59@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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Follow-up: first, thanks for the responses. The vendor says these racks all have that open hole, and no plug is provided. It?s expected that the rubber rack mount would cover it.

I?m using Goodparts solid mounts and I can fit a rubber strip between the top mount and the rack tube that will cover the hole. At least it will keep the dirt out, and me from worrying about it.

Cliff


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From: Cliff Hansen<mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 8, 2021 12:47 PM
To: list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A steering rack

I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.

Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal against water.

I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.

Thanks

Cliff

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D78D28.A0144450]

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From MACHINEMD at msn.com  Mon Aug  9 15:09:53 2021
From: MACHINEMD at msn.com (STEVE STERN)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 21:09:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] . Re: new law
Message-ID: <MN2PR17MB3392C07F6E300EE8D4D93480A9F69@MN2PR17MB3392.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Just a whole lot of hooey!
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Mon Aug  9 17:00:44 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 23:00:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 steering rack hole
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Message-ID: <86524205.1284448.1628550044288@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi Cliff,I don't see your photo. The little hole is for a nylon button (anti-rattle).I believe it was a factory upgrade to stop an annoying rattle when a rack tube bushing gets worn and was developed/introduced somewhere during TR4-TR4A production.Some years ago I dug through about 20 used racks at Triumph$Only and found a few TR4/4A racks with that very nylon button. Basically, it rides atop the rack bar and is flush with top side of rack tube. The original-style rubber mount provides some pressure to that nylon button. Seems like a real good idea to me. Nylon nub about the size of a pencil eraser - a little smaller.
I am sure you could fashion a nub of nylon to suit the purpose - doubt they are sold anywhere (maybe TRF) ..
I am going for comfortable steering so am using the original-style rubber rack mounts and nylon nub. Solid mounts may cause too much pressure on a nylon nub and probably cause accelerated wear to your tube bushing. Maybe just applying some silicone lightly under a solid mount would seal the area around the hole good enough.
Good luck with your project!
Regards,Carl'63TR4 since '74

I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.

Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal against water.

I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.

Thanks

Cliff
 

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Aug  9 17:57:29 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 19:57:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sending switch
In-Reply-To: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1707751135.263977.1628460946614@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <008701d78d7a$516ca480$f445ed80$@charter.net>

Check out the appropriate wiring diagram shown here. It?s a good place to start.

 

http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf

 

Alex Thomson

TR6

GT6

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of davgil at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2021 6:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sending switch

 

Wanted to validate my understanding of the low oil pressure sending switch on a 1976 TR6.  I noted that a wire was not hooked up and when I hooked it up, the oil pressure warning light came on and stayed on when the car was cranked.  In the 25 years I have owned this vehicle, I have never seen the low oil pressure light on so didn't realize that there was a problem. I put a meter from the switch to the positive battery terminal.  When I crank the car, there is 13.7 volts, regardless of the oil pressure.  My sense is that the switch should only ground under very low oil pressure, and that when suitable pressure is achieved, the ground is disconnected.  My assumption is that there is an internal short in the switch which is keeping the ground connected regardless of oil pressure.  Would this be a correct assumption, or is there another issue?   

David Gill

1976 TR6

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Mon Aug  9 18:38:52 2021
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 19:38:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sending switch
In-Reply-To: <008701d78d7a$516ca480$f445ed80$@charter.net>
References: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1707751135.263977.1628460946614@mail.yahoo.com>
 <008701d78d7a$516ca480$f445ed80$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <b16dd5be-a86b-de29-a743-1dbe69357c64@tonydrews.com>

And the excellent wiring diagram linked to shows that the oil pressure 
warning switch works just as you describe - not grounded when sufficient 
pressure is there, grounded otherwise.? If you have sufficient pressure, 
I believe you've correctly diagnosed the situation.? Either the switch 
is bad, or when you unscrew it you'll find the passage to it plugged.? 
Most likely the switch.

Cheers, Tony

On 8/9/2021 6:57 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
>
> Check out the appropriate wiring diagram shown here. It?s a good place 
> to start.
>
> http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf 
> <http://www.advanceautowire.com/tr2506.pdf>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> TR6
>
> GT6
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *davgil at aol.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 08, 2021 6:16 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] Oil pressure sending switch
>
> Wanted to validate my understanding of the low oil pressure sending 
> switch on a 1976 TR6.? I noted that a wire was not hooked up and when 
> I hooked it up, the oil pressure warning light came on and stayed on 
> when the car was cranked.? In the 25 years I have owned this vehicle, 
> I have never seen the low oil pressure light on so didn't realize that 
> there was a problem. I put a meter from the switch to the positive 
> battery terminal.? When I crank the car, there is 13.7 volts, 
> regardless of the oil pressure. My sense is that the switch should 
> only ground under very low oil pressure, and that when suitable 
> pressure is achieved, the ground is disconnected.? My assumption is 
> that there is an internal short in the switch which is keeping the 
> ground connected regardless of oil pressure. Would this be a correct 
> assumption, or is there another issue?
>
> David Gill
>
> 1976 TR6
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Aug  9 19:36:57 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 01:36:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 steering rack hole
In-Reply-To: <86524205.1284448.1628550044288@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.5.1628532002.11785.triumphs@autox.team.net>,
 <86524205.1284448.1628550044288@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB4613325E23B251AF837AF919FAF79@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, Carl.

Follow-up to my follow-up: after scraping the built-up paint off from the old rack, I found a nylon button in that hole. Popped it out, into the new rack, rack onto the car, off to the alignment shop in the morning.

Life?s good again.

Cliff


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Carl Sereda<mailto:carlsereda at aol.com>
Sent: Monday, August 9, 2021 5:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 steering rack hole

Hi Cliff,
I don't see your photo. The little hole is for a nylon button (anti-rattle).
I believe it was a factory upgrade to stop an annoying rattle when a rack tube bushing gets worn and was developed/introduced somewhere during TR4-TR4A production.
Some years ago I dug through about 20 used racks at Triumph$Only and found a few TR4/4A racks with that very nylon button. Basically, it rides atop the rack bar and is flush with top side of rack tube. The original-style rubber mount provides some pressure to that nylon button. Seems like a real good idea to me. Nylon nub about the size of a pencil eraser - a little smaller.
I am sure you could fashion a nub of nylon to suit the purpose - doubt they are sold anywhere (maybe TRF) ..
I am going for comfortable steering so am using the original-style rubber rack mounts and nylon nub. Solid mounts may cause too much pressure on a nylon nub and probably cause accelerated wear to your tube bushing. Maybe just applying some silicone lightly under a solid mount would seal the area around the hole good enough.
Good luck with your project!
Regards,
Carl
'63TR4 since '74
I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.

Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal against water.

I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.

Thanks

Cliff



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From davgil at aol.com  Tue Aug 10 05:20:09 2021
From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 11:20:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 gas tank
In-Reply-To: <2125161350.1024406.1627760007088@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1663583430.397426.1627499035209.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1663583430.397426.1627499035209@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7CPjJSRFa-SbJiD50j-u8MWrYYkLHYrG0y3Tn=aKVe=5-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1703288029.797273.1627645019318@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1612745952.1008100.1627746680060@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484315199.886099.1627748754213@mail.yahoo.com>
 <254504603.1023777.1627754584831@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2125161350.1024406.1627760007088@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <959612155.521800.1628594409764@mail.yahoo.com>

I wanted to thank the three of you for your advice when I had the issue with replacing the fuel tank in my TR6.? The old tank is in sufficiently good condition that it can be repaired and restored for anyone who wishes to have it for a spare.? I am going to offer it to the Triumphs list for the cost of the shipping, but I thought I would repay your assistance by offering it to the three of you first.? I suspect that the shipping will be about $25.00 as that is what Moss charged to ship it to me.? It weighs about 23 pounds boxed up.? I am in Lavonia, GA (area code 30553) and Marietta GA (area code 30068) if you are interested.? Jeff, I am in Athens occasionally and could meet you sometime if you have a need for the tank.??Best regards,David Gill
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug 10 10:23:10 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 11:23:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 gas tank
In-Reply-To: <959612155.521800.1628594409764@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1663583430.397426.1627499035209.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1663583430.397426.1627499035209@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7CPjJSRFa-SbJiD50j-u8MWrYYkLHYrG0y3Tn=aKVe=5-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1703288029.797273.1627645019318@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1612745952.1008100.1627746680060@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484315199.886099.1627748754213@mail.yahoo.com>
 <254504603.1023777.1627754584831@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2125161350.1024406.1627760007088@mail.yahoo.com>
 <959612155.521800.1628594409764@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401d78e04$02fda670$08f8f350$@ranteer.com>

Thank you for your generous offer;  I do not need it.

 

From: davgil at aol.com <davgil at aol.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 6:20 AM
To: dave1massey at cs.com; fishplate at gmail.com; dave at ranteer.com
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: TR6 gas tank

 

I wanted to thank the three of you for your advice when I had the issue with replacing the fuel tank in my TR6.  The old tank is in sufficiently good condition that it can be repaired and restored for anyone who wishes to have it for a spare.  I am going to offer it to the Triumphs list for the cost of the shipping, but I thought I would repay your assistance by offering it to the three of you first.  I suspect that the shipping will be about $25.00 as that is what Moss charged to ship it to me.  It weighs about 23 pounds boxed up.  I am in Lavonia, GA (area code 30553) and Marietta GA (area code 30068) if you are interested.  Jeff, I am in Athens occasionally and could meet you sometime if you have a need for the tank.  

Best regards,

David Gill

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 05:48:54 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:48:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 gas tank
In-Reply-To: <959612155.521800.1628594409764@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1663583430.397426.1627499035209.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1663583430.397426.1627499035209@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7CPjJSRFa-SbJiD50j-u8MWrYYkLHYrG0y3Tn=aKVe=5-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1703288029.797273.1627645019318@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1612745952.1008100.1627746680060@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1484315199.886099.1627748754213@mail.yahoo.com>
 <254504603.1023777.1627754584831@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2125161350.1024406.1627760007088@mail.yahoo.com>
 <959612155.521800.1628594409764@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7COWDgfxBdgjjzi2JBaM9ji6r8xM1DT04Ei7umX9j_b31w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Dave.  I don't have a use for it, but if you get no other
takers, I may know someone who could eventually use it.

-- Jeff

On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:20 AM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>
> I wanted to thank the three of you for your advice when I had the issue with replacing the fuel tank in my TR6.  The old tank is in sufficiently good condition that it can be repaired and restored for anyone who wishes to have it for a spare.  I am going to offer it to the Triumphs list for the cost of the shipping, but I thought I would repay your assistance by offering it to the three of you first.  I suspect that the shipping will be about $25.00 as that is what Moss charged to ship it to me.  It weighs about 23 pounds boxed up.  I am in Lavonia, GA (area code 30553) and Marietta GA (area code 30068) if you are interested.  Jeff, I am in Athens occasionally and could meet you sometime if you have a need for the tank.
> Best regards,
> David Gill

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Aug 11 06:38:22 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 08:38:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] 72 Alternator update
Message-ID: <ee5fc074-9f9c-87b1-fa23-e46d967a95c3@adelphia.net>

Hello,

Just received a call from the auto electric shop on my alternator.

Good news is all parts are available because it is a Delco. Will take 2 
days. He is replacing just about everything. Even re-varnishing the 
field coils. He stated that the alternator will be basically brand new 
when he is finished.

I tried to get a replacement and use this rebuild as a spare but it 
seems even rebuilt units (Oriely, Advanced Auto and Rock Auto are NLA). 
Even TRF it is NLA.

So by Friday afternoon I will be back in business. Peninsula Imports 
never returned my email about a unit that may have worked. Not sure what 
is going on there. If it was NLA I would have appreciated a return email 
at least.

Bob


From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Aug 11 07:13:08 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 09:13:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] 72 Alternator update
In-Reply-To: <ee5fc074-9f9c-87b1-fa23-e46d967a95c3@adelphia.net>
References: <ee5fc074-9f9c-87b1-fa23-e46d967a95c3@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <4FF9E4D8-7D23-4951-8BD4-F92EDF5FDDE3@fuse.net>

Glad to hear you have found a solution and will be on the road again.
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Just received a call from the auto electric shop on my alternator.
> 
> Good news is all parts are available because it is a Delco. Will take 2 days. He is replacing just about everything. Even re-varnishing the field coils. He stated that the alternator will be basically brand new when he is finished.
> 
> I tried to get a replacement and use this rebuild as a spare but it seems even rebuilt units (Oriely, Advanced Auto and Rock Auto are NLA). Even TRF it is NLA.
> 
> So by Friday afternoon I will be back in business. Peninsula Imports never returned my email about a unit that may have worked. Not sure what is going on there. If it was NLA I would have appreciated a return email at least.
> 
> Bob
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 11:28:38 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 10:28:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] What is the go to wheel bearing grease for Triumphs?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFg9q2ADdZd1aHgNdVqvPVVzK4NZ5LH_hSpdF27JcaWUA@mail.gmail.com>

As kids we use stuff our parents used. Always used Castrol LM grease for
bearings and general lubrication back in the UK. On my last trip back to
UK, the same LM grease was sitting in my mom's shed 30 years on. Still
looked good. Never diverted. Now I'm in the US, what is a good brand and
type to stick with? Did a search on Amazon, but reviews are varied.

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 11 13:04:29 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 14:04:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] What is the go to wheel bearing grease for Triumphs?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFg9q2ADdZd1aHgNdVqvPVVzK4NZ5LH_hSpdF27JcaWUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFg9q2ADdZd1aHgNdVqvPVVzK4NZ5LH_hSpdF27JcaWUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E88CDFC2-36D3-41C4-A5F8-15054BF7CD92@yahoo.com>

Not quite as old as the one in Mom?s shed but this is what I use for bearings & more.  
Bill



Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns

On Aug 11, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

?
As kids we use stuff our parents used. Always used Castrol LM grease for bearings and general lubrication back in the UK. On my last trip back to UK, the same LM grease was sitting in my mom's shed 30 years on. Still looked good. Never diverted. Now I'm in the US, what is a good brand and type to stick with? Did a search on Amazon, but reviews are varied. 

Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

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From actionsl at att.net  Wed Aug 11 13:25:50 2021
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 12:25:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 183
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1628704802.27401.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1628704802.27401.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <EC1F5AEB-E3F3-4115-8BAD-F40094A578DC@att.net>

Gas tank. There are a lot of original Triumph parts that are unavailable today. I have a lot collected over 25 years. Don?t let them go to the scrap yard. I have listed two California TR4A and no interest from you guys. I?m getting older and my kids will send them to the scrap yard. We should not let this happen.

Carl

> On Aug 11, 2021, at 11:04 AM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
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>   1. Re: TR6 gas tank (Jeff Scarbrough)
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>   3. Re: 72 Alternator update (Dave Connitt)
>   4. What is the go to wheel bearing grease for Triumphs? (Sujit Roy)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:48:54 -0400
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: davgil at aol.com
> Cc: "dave1massey at cs.com" <dave1massey at cs.com>, "dave at ranteer.com"
>    <dave at ranteer.com>,  "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 gas tank
> Message-ID:
>    <CAO8Q7COWDgfxBdgjjzi2JBaM9ji6r8xM1DT04Ei7umX9j_b31w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Thanks, Dave.  I don't have a use for it, but if you get no other
> takers, I may know someone who could eventually use it.
> 
> -- Jeff
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 7:20 AM <davgil at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I wanted to thank the three of you for your advice when I had the issue with replacing the fuel tank in my TR6.  The old tank is in sufficiently good condition that it can be repaired and restored for anyone who wishes to have it for a spare.  I am going to offer it to the Triumphs list for the cost of the shipping, but I thought I would repay your assistance by offering it to the three of you first.  I suspect that the shipping will be about $25.00 as that is what Moss charged to ship it to me.  It weighs about 23 pounds boxed up.  I am in Lavonia, GA (area code 30553) and Marietta GA (area code 30068) if you are interested.  Jeff, I am in Athens occasionally and could meet you sometime if you have a need for the tank.
>> Best regards,
>> David Gill
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 08:38:22 -0400
> From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] 72 Alternator update
> Message-ID: <ee5fc074-9f9c-87b1-fa23-e46d967a95c3 at adelphia.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Just received a call from the auto electric shop on my alternator.
> 
> Good news is all parts are available because it is a Delco. Will take 2 
> days. He is replacing just about everything. Even re-varnishing the 
> field coils. He stated that the alternator will be basically brand new 
> when he is finished.
> 
> I tried to get a replacement and use this rebuild as a spare but it 
> seems even rebuilt units (Oriely, Advanced Auto and Rock Auto are NLA). 
> Even TRF it is NLA.
> 
> So by Friday afternoon I will be back in business. Peninsula Imports 
> never returned my email about a unit that may have worked. Not sure what 
> is going on there. If it was NLA I would have appreciated a return email 
> at least.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 09:13:08 -0400
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] 72 Alternator update
> Message-ID: <4FF9E4D8-7D23-4951-8BD4-F92EDF5FDDE3 at fuse.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Glad to hear you have found a solution and will be on the road again.
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hello,
>> 
>> Just received a call from the auto electric shop on my alternator.
>> 
>> Good news is all parts are available because it is a Delco. Will take 2 days. He is replacing just about everything. Even re-varnishing the field coils. He stated that the alternator will be basically brand new when he is finished.
>> 
>> I tried to get a replacement and use this rebuild as a spare but it seems even rebuilt units (Oriely, Advanced Auto and Rock Auto are NLA). Even TRF it is NLA.
>> 
>> So by Friday afternoon I will be back in business. Peninsula Imports never returned my email about a unit that may have worked. Not sure what is going on there. If it was NLA I would have appreciated a return email at least.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 10:28:38 -0700
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] What is the go to wheel bearing grease for Triumphs?
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> As kids we use stuff our parents used. Always used Castrol LM grease for
> bearings and general lubrication back in the UK. On my last trip back to
> UK, the same LM grease was sitting in my mom's shed 30 years on. Still
> looked good. Never diverted. Now I'm in the US, what is a good brand and
> type to stick with? Did a search on Amazon, but reviews are varied.
> 
> Sujit
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 15:26:01 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 17:26:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] What is the go to wheel bearing grease for Triumphs?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFg9q2ADdZd1aHgNdVqvPVVzK4NZ5LH_hSpdF27JcaWUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFg9q2ADdZd1aHgNdVqvPVVzK4NZ5LH_hSpdF27JcaWUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CON6jxBPRQm+Yh=Hs_ZeMi-F=WYYYV=0WQcbGX3oyjbPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I still have a tub of LM that must be at least 30 years old.

If I drove the cars harder or longer, I might upgrade it.  But checking the
bearings, I see no signs of grease separation or failure.

On Wed, Aug 11, 2021, 13:29 Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> As kids we use stuff our parents used. Always used Castrol LM grease for
> bearings and general lubrication back in the UK. On my last trip back to
> UK, the same LM grease was sitting in my mom's shed 30 years on. Still
> looked good. Never diverted. Now I'm in the US, what is a good brand and
> type to stick with? Did a search on Amazon, but reviews are varied.
>
> Sujit
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 19:55:19 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:55:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] A TR8 project car in Saint Louis
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBXc-CidYAAhABMfQuP+s9-n7_6=e6bMf53qDpDk66MFQ@mail.gmail.com>

This one is being circulated within our local club.  Can't remember if it's
been discussed here yet, but in case not...

Keep or toss --

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Dear Members,



Brent Roth has had some interest in the TR8 he has for sale but he still
has it.



He bought a new home and has to have it out of his current house by Monday,
August 16, and has lowered the price to $2,500 or best offer.



The car is located in St Louis and is a complete project TR8 with boxes of
parts (many new and NOS items) included that will go with the car to put it
all together back to showroom condition.



Details:

   - 1980 DHC Poseidon Green
   - 19994 miles
   - Lenham hardtop
   - Clear title.
   - Garaged with Brent since 2007 by the towing company he bought if from
   in Texas before that
   - A bit of surface rust in tire well, NO rust through anywhere. Solid
   body with some dents here and there
   - Will need body work and new paint.
   - Boxes and boxes of parts to rebuild the TR8 back to showroom condition
   come with the car
   - Car is partially assembled, can be rolled onto a car carrier if
   needed.



Photos and additional information is available on Facebook by clicking on
the following link:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/TWOAGroup



Brent just sold his house so it has to go and soon.



Please contact him at rothnet at swbell.net or 314-401-2467 if interested or
if you have questions.  Feel free to pass this along to any one you think
may be interested in his car.
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Aug 13 10:48:15 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 12:48:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Re:  72 Alternator update
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi0gPXO4BrVvN_rUb3xxFZWdjkcO56R=KABxzMSBVA3uA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi0gPXO4BrVvN_rUb3xxFZWdjkcO56R=KABxzMSBVA3uA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3db5007e-4801-ecc4-88df-678e997cb772@adelphia.net>

All,

Ok, picked up my rebuilt Delco this afternoon and all is well again. 
Hope the rain holds off so we can go to a car hop tonight.

The good news is Delco had all the parts required in stock believe it or 
not. And all std. Delco parts not replacements.

It is nice to have that type of expertise available so close to home.


Bob


From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug 13 11:01:36 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2021 12:01:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGB (I know, wrong brand)
Message-ID: <000501d79064$e0af6780$a20e3680$@ranteer.com>

I thought you might be interested or know someone who is interested.

 

We picked up this car from the second owner, cleaned it up, replaced the
driver's side seat foam, steering wheel emblem, and the fan relay.  I am now
offering it for sale

 

Welcome to My Website ! - index page (ranteer.com)
<https://www.ranteer.com/mgb4/> 

 

It's the most original car I've ever seen; we have a lot of original
documents as well.  the paint and the mileage is original.

 

FYI its in Dallas, TX

 

I know several good shipping companies if you need one

 

The tires are old and need to be replaced if you want to drive on the
highway.  If you are interested in driving it out of here, I can work with
you on getting new tires installed and meet you at the airport.  I will even
fill it up for you.

 

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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug 14 13:14:43 2021
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:14:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 181
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1628532002.11785.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1628532002.11785.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <560305292.602148.1628968483492@mail.yahoo.com>

I wish they would tax me by the miles I drive. Please discuss politics somewhere else. It's a good way to lose lifelong friends.
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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? 4. new law (Bob)
? 5. Re: new law (Michael Marr)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 18:46:24 +0000
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A steering rack
Message-ID:
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I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.

Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal against water.

I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.

Thanks

Cliff

[cid:2874975B-20A2-4969-B8E2-5DF6A7A1ABF7-L0-001]

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 15:49:33 -0500
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A steering rack
Message-ID: <15cb00a8-2243-a376-2a39-9a9d9c36ba00 at tonydrews.com>
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I THINK that's a locating lug that should have a corresponding peg on 
the aluminum mount between the rack and the bracket on the frame.? If 
so, the mount should pretty much seal up the hole. However I'm not 100% 
sure about that.

Regards, Tony

On 8/8/2021 1:46 PM, Cliff Hansen wrote:
> I have a new steering rack (original is judged not rebuildable due to 
> wear on the rack gear teeth). On the passenger side, on top of the 
> tube, there is the hole shown in the attached photo.
>
> Should there should be a plug of some sort? In the original that hole 
> is filled by a rubber button from the inside, perhaps as part of a 
> bushing of some sort. The hole will be under the mount, I intend to 
> use a solid rack mount so I can?t rely on the mount bushing to seal 
> against water.
>
> I will call the vendor tomorrow, I thought I?d ask this group also. 
> I?d install it today if I had confidence that all is as it should be.
>
> Thanks
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 22:15:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: davgil at aol.com
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sending switch
Message-ID: <1707751135.263977.1628460946614 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Wanted to validate my understanding of the low oil pressure sending switch on a 1976 TR6.? I noted that a wire was not hooked up and when I hooked it up, the oil pressure warning light came on and stayed on when the car was cranked.? In the 25 years I have owned this vehicle, I have never seen the low oil pressure light on so didn't realize that there was a problem. I put a meter from the switch to the positive battery terminal.? When I crank the car, there is 13.7 volts, regardless of the oil pressure.? My sense is that the switch should only ground under very low oil pressure, and that when suitable pressure is achieved, the ground is disconnected.? My assumption is that there is an internal short in the switch which is keeping the ground connected regardless of oil pressure.? Would this be a correct assumption, or is there another issue???David Gill1976 TR6
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:49:03 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <7d236122-e065-07f2-8ffe-aaecdef6cd4c at adelphia.net>
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Hello,

Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.

Bob

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/



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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:14:32 +0000
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <3414E5D6-5EE3-4BE9-8976-07BBE7ECDAF3 at albiontechnical.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Conspiracy theories!? What a load of tosh.

Michael Marr

Mobile:? 630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 06:49, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.ericpetersautos.com_2021_08_08_how-2Dthe-2Dnew-2Dmileage-2Dtax-2Dwill-2Dget-2Dyour-2Dold-2Dcar-2Doff-2Dthe-2Droad_&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=hrN_Rqd-RUIhTDzC6OEOfb3Y_f2mSnKSlJsOkt_rgsw&s=dhKyd-AMYXTAd3hLYkb3EQQIz2oVVi6Rqzun3ANSL6o&e=
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:20:13 -0400
From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <3A5E11B8-7783-4E9A-B9E7-11C46A8A1607 at comcast.net>
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This article looks like bullshit to me and has a clear political agenda. The Triumph list has successfully steered clear of political discussions and, to my mind, should continue to do so. This content? is best left to other more appropriate forums.
Best,
Bob
?72 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 7:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
> 
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 07:21:08 -0500
From: John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID:
??? <CANuE7YBnzAd47W6mU08+-=6qN6g2GL4rAJxVzXP++hqWvAvL-A at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I see a lot of really belligerent rhetoric, but no facts or sources.? I
think this guy is just trying to get people riled up.

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 6:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
>
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:38:43 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] new law reply from sender
Message-ID: <6f08d098-a86f-7e95-e5d6-0615eec6ca3d at adelphia.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hello,

The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important 
for us to read.

Bob



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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:42:15 +0000
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law reply from sender
Message-ID: <99EE2370-4427-430D-A9F5-4566E7E7D215 at albiontechnical.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

But it was written by a guy with an obvious agenda. His tag line is ?cars, motorcycles, and libertarian politics?.? I can?t take anything seriously that is that overt. 

Michael Marr

Mobile:? 630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 07:39, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important for us to read.
> 
> Bob
> 
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 06:00:48 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID:
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I agree, utter B.S. paranoia.? We heard similar conspiracy theories 21
years ago.

Geo

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 4:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>
> Bob
>
>
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
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Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 06:04:09 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law reply from sender
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Okay, I'll accept that the post was not meant to be political, but the
linked article certainly was.

I think you got played by a (not too clever) fear monger.

Geo

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:39 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important
> for us to read.
>
> Bob
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 08:19:44 -0500
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
Cc: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law reply from sender
Message-ID:
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That was a loopy, alarmist article, and definitely political in its
original intent.

I recall my automotives professor, Doc Schraeder, telling the university
class more than forty years ago, "I've washed my hands in more gasoline
than your grandkids will ever see."

He might have been off a generation, but not by much.? We'll have ICE
engines for at least another century, but they'll become curious old
conveyances.? ...Well, some of ours already are, I guess!

On Mon, Aug 9, 2021 at 8:04 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, I'll accept that the post was not meant to be political, but the
> linked article certainly was.
>
> I think you got played by a (not too clever) fear monger.
>
> Geo
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2021, 5:39 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The post was not meant to be political. I just thought it was important
>> for us to read.
>>
>> Bob
>>
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 09:55:18 -0500
From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
To: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law reply from sender
Message-ID: <000001d78d2e$924caeb0$b6e60c10$@ranteer.com>
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There are organizations such as SEMA and individuals such as Jay Leno who lobby on behalf of our hobby.

 

They are very, very important.? There are many, many people who believe that old cars should be scrapped.? 

 

I don?t think I?m the only one who has been told:? Why do you have another car?? You can only drive one car at a time.

 

Although this article may be a little on the extreme side, it has many valid points.? Remember the seat belt lock in 1974? 

 

We need to be aware of those who seek to destroy us (or at least our hobby).? They are out there.? In government.? Now.

 

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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:48:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <1135943300.974131.1628527693262 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Never believe anything written by a Libertarian.? Their agenda is to abolish all laws.? End of story!


> On August 9, 2021 at 7:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
> 
> Bob
> 
> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
> 
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 13:32:27 -0400
From: CAROLINE MCGAHEY <mcgaheyrx at aol.com>
To: JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] new law
Message-ID: <A955D301-E9A6-4BAC-BDF4-DA2EAC9BBE39 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

STOP IT JOE!

Yours was a political post - you should know better

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 9, 2021, at 12:48 PM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Never believe anything written by a Libertarian.? Their agenda is to abolish all laws.? End of story!
> 
> 
>> On August 9, 2021 at 7:49 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Read this article. If this proposal becomes law it looks like our 
>> Triumphs and any other classic will be outlawed.
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/08/08/how-the-new-mileage-tax-will-get-your-old-car-off-the-road/
>> 
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Tue Aug 17 10:11:11 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:11:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
Message-ID: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>

My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
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From greg at gelhar.com  Tue Aug 17 13:22:58 2021
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:22:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
Message-ID: <000701d7939d$4b133ee0$e139bca0$@gelhar.com>

Spitfire YES, TR6 NO

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 11:11 AM
To: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray

 

My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I
understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in
producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and
if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?

 

Steve Kirby

President

China Auto Group

22831 Avenida Empresa

Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA

Direct:  (949) 261-8208

Fax:  (949) 767-5949

Cell:  (949) 903-0957

Skype: steve.kirby29

www.chinaautogroup.com <http://www.chinaautogroup.com> 

 

 

 

 

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Aug 18 13:21:00 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:21:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <000701d7939d$4b133ee0$e139bca0$@gelhar.com>
References: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
 <000701d7939d$4b133ee0$e139bca0$@gelhar.com>
Message-ID: <bfbf2cf5-db13-28f1-7232-aeb668331f1a@rmi.net>

I think Steve is talking about something else.

MGB has under dash liners like 
https://www.bpnorthwest.com/under-dash-liner-mgb-68-to-80.html

TR6s has speaker panels that look like this 
https://trf.zeni.net/TR6greenbook/72.php#GA35? They both kind of hide 
the wiring. I There may have been additional optional liners to help 
hide the wiring on the T26, but I am not familiar with them.

The Spitfire just has shelves instead of glove boxes. 
https://www.bpnorthwest.com/glove-box-left-hand-spitfire-71-to-80.html

Roger

On 8/17/2021 2:22 PM, Greg Gelhar wrote:
>
> Spitfire YES, TR6 NO
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
> *Steve Kirby
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 17, 2021 11:11 AM
> *To:* Triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
>
> My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for 
> MGB.? I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.? We would be 
> interested in producing this as well.? Can anyone confirm the 
> existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one 
> in good condition to copy?
>
> */Steve Kirby/*
>
> *President*
>
> *China Auto Group*
>
> 22831 Avenida Empresa
>
> Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
>
> Direct:? (949) 261-8208
>
> Fax:? (949) 767-5949
>
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>
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Wed Aug 18 13:26:33 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 19:26:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <bfbf2cf5-db13-28f1-7232-aeb668331f1a@rmi.net>
References: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
 <000701d7939d$4b133ee0$e139bca0$@gelhar.com>
 <bfbf2cf5-db13-28f1-7232-aeb668331f1a@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <9d61da1310a1419eabd708d3bc5dd0fd@chinaautogroup.com>

Roger, you are correct.  The MGB liners shown by BPNorthwest are the ones we make.  We are looking for other similar applications to broaden the product line.  I know many of the older Jags had similar trim panels, my XK150 does.

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
www.chinaautogroup.com

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2021 12:21 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray


I think Steve is talking about something else.

MGB has under dash liners like https://www.bpnorthwest.com/under-dash-liner-mgb-68-to-80.html

TR6s has speaker panels that look like this https://trf.zeni.net/TR6greenbook/72.php#GA35  They both kind of hide the wiring. I There may have been additional optional liners to help hide the wiring on the T26, but I am not familiar with them.

The Spitfire just has shelves instead of glove boxes.  https://www.bpnorthwest.com/glove-box-left-hand-spitfire-71-to-80.html

Roger
On 8/17/2021 2:22 PM, Greg Gelhar wrote:
Spitfire YES, TR6 NO

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net><mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 11:11 AM
To: Triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray

My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Wed Aug 18 20:49:56 2021
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 02:49:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <df53a27d9a3e4736a1b553938c45a072@chinaautogroup.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR12MB3911323A4CA4BCC2D59D0781B9C09@CH2PR12MB3911.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Steve - I think at least 20 years ago or so there were some liners made to hide the under dash stuff on a TR6, I recall it may have been related to setups where AC was installed but that may not be right.

If that is right I don?t think many were made, I?ve never seen them in my junkyard excursions.

Good luck
Randy

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com> wrote:

?
My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
22831 Avenida Empresa
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
Fax:  (949) 767-5949
Cell:  (949) 903-0957
Skype: steve.kirby29
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 09:24:17 2021
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:24:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] DM2/Pertronix
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwiPHtSfkdSxaXy00rsmF0sWeDf7AMnFDSXF5TwaBdQnCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all!

Has anyone with a DM2 distributor tried to install a Pertronix
LU-149 Electronic Ignition? It seems that once I install the
magnet sleeve and the rotor onto the point cam, the 'stack' is
too tall to allow reinstallation of the distributor cap, even though
all parts seem to be properly seated. Any help/pix appreciated!!

Dave
59TR3
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 13:23:17 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:23:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR12MB3911323A4CA4BCC2D59D0781B9C09@CH2PR12MB3911.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR12MB3911323A4CA4BCC2D59D0781B9C09@CH2PR12MB3911.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A3DBDE40-B1D6-469B-A294-ADF0336B8B90@comcast.net>

Bought this at a VRR auction many years ago. 



Never got around to installing it. Says it?s for TR so it may fit more than a 6.
Bud

Sent from my Commadore 64

> On Aug 18, 2021, at 8:50 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ? Steve - I think at least 20 years ago or so there were some liners made to hide the under dash stuff on a TR6, I recall it may have been related to setups where AC was installed but that may not be right.  
> 
> If that is right I don?t think many were made, I?ve never seen them in my junkyard excursions.
> 
> Good luck
> Randy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?
>>  
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 17:15:15 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 17:15:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 Underdash tray
In-Reply-To: <A3DBDE40-B1D6-469B-A294-ADF0336B8B90@comcast.net>
References: <A3DBDE40-B1D6-469B-A294-ADF0336B8B90@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E0DBB583-FE2A-4E4A-A5A3-32DB9B675421@comcast.net>

Here?s the part numbers for the under dash liners.
Bud



Sent from my Commadore 64

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Bud <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Bought this at a VRR auction many years ago. 
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Never got around to installing it. Says it?s for TR so it may fit more than a 6.
> Bud
> 
> Sent from my Commadore 64
> 
>>> On Aug 18, 2021, at 8:50 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? Steve - I think at least 20 years ago or so there were some liners made to hide the under dash stuff on a TR6, I recall it may have been related to setups where AC was installed but that may not be right.  
>> 
>> If that is right I don?t think many were made, I?ve never seen them in my junkyard excursions.
>> 
>> Good luck
>> Randy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 17, 2021, at 11:12 AM, Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> My company just completed a replacement underdash tray (liner) for MGB.  I understand that the TR6 has a similar tray.  We would be interested in producing this as well.  Can anyone confirm the existence of this tray and if so, any ideas where I might purchase one in good condition to copy?
>>>  
>>> Steve Kirby
>>> President
>>> China Auto Group
>>> 22831 Avenida Empresa
>>> Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
>>> Direct:  (949) 261-8208
>>> Fax:  (949) 767-5949
>>> Cell:  (949) 903-0957
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Aug 20 17:26:30 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:26:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
Message-ID: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>

Hi All,
What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 20 17:46:28 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:46:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <6B026170-AFC0-41DC-9EEC-0803E2D7A702@yahoo.com>

Open each bleeder separately, pump out all you can then bleed each wheel till you see purple.   Some might disconnect at the MC and blow it out with air.   
Bill

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns

On Aug 20, 2021, at 6:28 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

?Hi All,
What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt 

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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Fri Aug 20 19:01:35 2021
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:01:35 -0700
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>





why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt 
> 
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From mcgaheyrx at aol.com  Fri Aug 20 19:12:44 2021
From: mcgaheyrx at aol.com (CAROLINE MCGAHEY)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 21:12:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
References: <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
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LOL
I wasn?t going to say anything, but converting from DOT3 to DOT5 is a terrible thing to do - I converted 2 cars - I?ve gone back on both of them and will never do that again. DOT 5 WILL leak - I?ve discovered leaks, when changing brake pads, before I otherwise knew I had them. Maybe it?s because water settles to low points in a DOT 5 system.
DOT 3 is better and will never leak if you completely change the fluid every 24 months - - more frequently if you don?t drive the car much.
This is my experience over the last 4+ decades with many Triumphs and I?m not interested in arguing with the many of you that will have different opinions - which is why I initially wasn?t going to say anything.

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:02 PM, William Pugh <anabil007 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
>> Thanks,
>> Dave Connitt 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug 20 21:52:02 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 22:52:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <000001d7963f$e6b64550$b422cff0$@ranteer.com>

There are many misconceptions, and downright incorrect opinions on this.

First of all, DOT 3/4 is hygroscopic (please note that hydroscopic is
totally incorrect; it refers to a hydroscope, something used to looking at
things underwater).  

Which means it absorbs water.  Which means it must be flushed on a regular
basis.

The only reason to use DOT 3/4 is if you are racing (DOT 5 has a much lower
boiling point) or if you have anti lock brakes.  That's it.  Or, you really
like bleeding your brake and clutch systems.

If you do the research, and look at FACTS, not opinions, old wives
(mechanics) tales, and general misinformation, DOT 5 is superior because it
doesn't eat paint and doesn't absorb water so its much less maintenance.

Those that claim DOT 5 will "trap" water and cause rust are misinformed.  IF
you do the research, which I have done extensively, you will learn that
because bleeding removes all moisture from the system, DOT 5 systems are far
LESS likely to rust than DOT 3/4.

DOT 5 does not eat paint when you spill it or when the hydraulics fail.

People who claim that DOT 5 is bad for rubber and seals are again,
misinformed and incorrect.

If your system failed after installing DOT 5, one of two things happened.
It was about to fail, or you did not flush the system.  DOT 3/4 when mixed
with DOT 5 creates sludge, a very bad thing in the brake system.  You need
to at minimum blow out the system if not flush with alcohol.  To the lister
who claimed his brake system leaked "because of DOT 5" that is impossible.
DOT 5 is silicone, which is actually good for rubber and seals.  If you
experienced failure after switching to DOT 5 the system was about to go
anyway or you did not adequately flush the system or it was user error.  NOT
DOT 5.  

Please, folks, do the research.  Don't rely on hearsay or "old mechanics
tales."  I have extensively researched this issue because there is SO MUCH
misinformation out there.

On a personal note I have converted numerous cars to DOT 5 with nary a
problem. 


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Aug 21 05:35:21 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 07:35:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
 <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <005101d79680$a0b29f40$e217ddc0$@uprichard.net>

Do we really need snippy posts like this? Everyone is entitled to an opinion without having to endure this.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Pugh
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:02 PM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A





why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug 21 08:12:00 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 09:12:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <005101d79680$a0b29f40$e217ddc0$@uprichard.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
 <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
 <005101d79680$a0b29f40$e217ddc0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <000b01d79696$825fb490$871f1db0$@ranteer.com>

I am sure William Pugh wants everyone to know that he relies on rumor and old mechanics tales for his information.  He never actually researches or relies on facts.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 6:35 AM
To: 'William Pugh' <anabil007 at comcast.net>; 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Do we really need snippy posts like this? Everyone is entitled to an opinion without having to endure this.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Pugh
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:02 PM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A





why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 21 08:16:37 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 09:16:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <000b01d79696$825fb490$871f1db0$@ranteer.com>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
 <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
 <005101d79680$a0b29f40$e217ddc0$@uprichard.net>
 <000b01d79696$825fb490$871f1db0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d79697$28254c00$786fe400$@yahoo.com>

Not a racer, not a daily driver, I use DOT 5 simply to save my paint, has never failed to stop my car when I step on the pedal.
Have a great weekend,
Bill B
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 9:12 AM
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

I am sure William Pugh wants everyone to know that he relies on rumor and old mechanics tales for his information.  He never actually researches or relies on facts.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 6:35 AM
To: 'William Pugh' <anabil007 at comcast.net>; 'Dave Connitt' <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Do we really need snippy posts like this? Everyone is entitled to an opinion without having to endure this.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Pugh
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:02 PM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A





why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 08:20:06 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 09:20:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <8E7B9CEF-B58B-4B9A-A65C-B4D56DABBD28@comcast.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
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Doesn't everyone like DOT3 paintwork damage?  Grrr...  DOT5 on the way here.



On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 8:02 PM William Pugh <anabil007 at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
>
>
> why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?
>
> > On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid
> in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder
> and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be
> fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> > Thanks,
> > Dave Connitt
> >
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Aug 21 08:43:42 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 08:43:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
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I guess I did less than the minimum. No blowing out lines or flushing. I added DOT 5 to the the MC and bled the brakes until DOT5 (it has a distinct color) came out. 
22 years later it is still working just fine through many miles and numerous autocrosses.

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:52 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?There are many misconceptions, and downright incorrect opinions on this.
> 
> First of all, DOT 3/4 is hygroscopic (please note that hydroscopic is
> totally incorrect; it refers to a hydroscope, something used to looking at
> things underwater).  
> 
> Which means it absorbs water.  Which means it must be flushed on a regular
> basis.
> 
> The only reason to use DOT 3/4 is if you are racing (DOT 5 has a much lower
> boiling point) or if you have anti lock brakes.  That's it.  Or, you really
> like bleeding your brake and clutch systems.
> 
> If you do the research, and look at FACTS, not opinions, old wives
> (mechanics) tales, and general misinformation, DOT 5 is superior because it
> doesn't eat paint and doesn't absorb water so its much less maintenance.
> 
> Those that claim DOT 5 will "trap" water and cause rust are misinformed.  IF
> you do the research, which I have done extensively, you will learn that
> because bleeding removes all moisture from the system, DOT 5 systems are far
> LESS likely to rust than DOT 3/4.
> 
> DOT 5 does not eat paint when you spill it or when the hydraulics fail.
> 
> People who claim that DOT 5 is bad for rubber and seals are again,
> misinformed and incorrect.
> 
> If your system failed after installing DOT 5, one of two things happened.
> It was about to fail, or you did not flush the system.  DOT 3/4 when mixed
> with DOT 5 creates sludge, a very bad thing in the brake system.  You need
> to at minimum blow out the system if not flush with alcohol.  To the lister
> who claimed his brake system leaked "because of DOT 5" that is impossible.
> DOT 5 is silicone, which is actually good for rubber and seals.  If you
> experienced failure after switching to DOT 5 the system was about to go
> anyway or you did not adequately flush the system or it was user error.  NOT
> DOT 5.  
> 
> Please, folks, do the research.  Don't rely on hearsay or "old mechanics
> tales."  I have extensively researched this issue because there is SO MUCH
> misinformation out there.
> 
> On a personal note I have converted numerous cars to DOT 5 with nary a
> problem. 
> 
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Aug 21 08:54:20 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 08:54:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <650CED28-AB0F-4C51-ABC2-7F25D5022D36@comcast.net>
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Oh, I forgot to mention what a boost it was for my Ego. I was just bursting with pride afterwards.  ?

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 8:44 AM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I guess I did less than the minimum. No blowing out lines or flushing. I added DOT 5 to the the MC and bled the brakes until DOT5 (it has a distinct color) came out. 
> 22 years later it is still working just fine through many miles and numerous autocrosses.
> 
> Bud
> 
> Sent from my Commodore 64
> 
>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 9:52 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?There are many misconceptions, and downright incorrect opinions on this.
>> 
>> First of all, DOT 3/4 is hygroscopic (please note that hydroscopic is
>> totally incorrect; it refers to a hydroscope, something used to looking at
>> things underwater).  
>> 
>> Which means it absorbs water.  Which means it must be flushed on a regular
>> basis.
>> 
>> The only reason to use DOT 3/4 is if you are racing (DOT 5 has a much lower
>> boiling point) or if you have anti lock brakes.  That's it.  Or, you really
>> like bleeding your brake and clutch systems.
>> 
>> If you do the research, and look at FACTS, not opinions, old wives
>> (mechanics) tales, and general misinformation, DOT 5 is superior because it
>> doesn't eat paint and doesn't absorb water so its much less maintenance.
>> 
>> Those that claim DOT 5 will "trap" water and cause rust are misinformed.  IF
>> you do the research, which I have done extensively, you will learn that
>> because bleeding removes all moisture from the system, DOT 5 systems are far
>> LESS likely to rust than DOT 3/4.
>> 
>> DOT 5 does not eat paint when you spill it or when the hydraulics fail.
>> 
>> People who claim that DOT 5 is bad for rubber and seals are again,
>> misinformed and incorrect.
>> 
>> If your system failed after installing DOT 5, one of two things happened.
>> It was about to fail, or you did not flush the system.  DOT 3/4 when mixed
>> with DOT 5 creates sludge, a very bad thing in the brake system.  You need
>> to at minimum blow out the system if not flush with alcohol.  To the lister
>> who claimed his brake system leaked "because of DOT 5" that is impossible.
>> DOT 5 is silicone, which is actually good for rubber and seals.  If you
>> experienced failure after switching to DOT 5 the system was about to go
>> anyway or you did not adequately flush the system or it was user error.  NOT
>> DOT 5.  
>> 
>> Please, folks, do the research.  Don't rely on hearsay or "old mechanics
>> tales."  I have extensively researched this issue because there is SO MUCH
>> misinformation out there.
>> 
>> On a personal note I have converted numerous cars to DOT 5 with nary a
>> problem. 
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 21 09:08:50 2021
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (David Brady)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:08:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
Message-ID: <2ad5fcda-e7e0-9db9-4a22-d94f81d0ab5d@earthlink.net>

Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5 performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success. David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Sent: Aug 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Hi All,
What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug 21 09:34:01 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 10:34:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] DOT3 vs DOT5
Message-ID: <002201d796a1$f7d39a60$e77acf20$@ranteer.com>

It is true that you cannot use an air powered bleeder for DOT 5.  It will put air bubbles in that will be pretty hard to get out.

But - if you get speedbleeders  http://speedbleeder.com/  it will make your life easier.




From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug 21 09:35:14 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 10:35:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
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Did that lift your ego?

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Brady
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:09 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass
sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with
DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This
was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5
performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success.
David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L



From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Aug 21 09:41:16 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:41:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] DOT3 vs DOT5
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References: <002201d796a1$f7d39a60$e77acf20$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1081088867.531974.1629560476954@mail.yahoo.com>

 I was told by a college physics professor that silicone may be quick to take up air but it is also quick to give it up.? That is why they use silicone oil in high vacuum pumps.? So the trick I use is I fill the reservoir and wait a while before bleeding.? I fill it and walk away. I go do something else and come back to the brakes in a couple hours or the next day.? This gives it time to release any entrained air.
I've run DOT5 in my cars for the past 20 odd years with no issues above and beyond normal maintenance.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 21, 2021 10:34 am
Subject: [TR] DOT3 vs DOT5

It is true that you cannot use an air powered bleeder for DOT 5.? It will put air bubbles in that will be pretty hard to get out.

But - if you get speedbleeders? http://speedbleeder.com/  it will make your life easier.



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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Aug 21 10:20:43 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 12:20:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
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Thanks Dave,
I should clarify that the main reason I want to switch to DOT5 is to reduce the possibility of the next hydraulic leak ruining paint. 
Both master cylinders were purchased from The Roadster Factory so the quality was pretty good and both systems were flushed every 2 years. For those that will say they haven?t had any leaks yet, I would suggest you may not want to gloat. (Grin).
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 11:35 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did that lift your ego?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Brady
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 10:09 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
> 
> Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass
> sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with
> DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This
> was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5
> performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success.
> David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L
> 
> 
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 12:55:57 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:55:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] DOT3 vs DOT5
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The trick/tip that I learned from this list (maybe from Randall Young) is after bleeding dot 5 and you still have a soft pedal, hold the brake pedal down with a board wedged between pedal and seat. Leave it overnight, good to go the next morning. Worked for me several times. 

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 11:41 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I was told by a college physics professor that silicone may be quick to take up air but it is also quick to give it up.  That is why they use silicone oil in high vacuum pumps.  So the trick I use is I fill the reservoir and wait a while before bleeding.  I fill it and walk away. I go do something else and come back to the brakes in a couple hours or the next day.  This gives it time to release any entrained air.
> 
> I've run DOT5 in my cars for the past 20 odd years with no issues above and beyond normal maintenance.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 21, 2021 10:34 am
> Subject: [TR] DOT3 vs DOT5
> 
> It is true that you cannot use an air powered bleeder for DOT 5.  It will put air bubbles in that will be pretty hard to get out.
> 
> But - if you get speedbleeders  http://speedbleeder.com/ it will make your life easier.
> 
> 
> 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Aug 21 12:58:40 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 14:58:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
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References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
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Amen.

Keith Stewart

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Sent: August 21, 2021 7:35 AM
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Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Do we really need snippy posts like this? Everyone is entitled to an opinion without having to endure this.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

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Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:02 PM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A





why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?

> On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 14:41:18 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 15:41:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <342701d796be$8e769e10$ab63da30$@bell.net>
References: <BB8EC6C9-E35A-4421-B5E6-DA885010B382@fuse.net>
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I started using DOT 5 about twenty years ago.  I have been driving British
cars for over 40 years, the first twenty were filled with frequent
hydraulic rebuilds and hardware replacement, seems like something would go
on a car every year or two when I was running DOT 3.

Until recently my experience with DOT5 was very good.  Then my brake master
cylinder went out a couple years ago, when I inspected it there was visible
corrosion on the bottom of the bore (installed new about 9 years prior, car
has led a sheltered life since).  I have pictures of it somewhere, but too
lazy to dig up now.

My conclusion was water got in the system, pooled at the bottom of the
bore, and led to a leak.

So my experience with DOT5 is mixed, I still think I have fewer leaks with
it, and when it does leak it doesn't eat paint.   After replacing the
various hydraulic bits I am still running DOT 5, but I don't trust the
school of thought that you don't need to flush or flush the fluid as often.

I have not noticed any more difficulty in bleeding or mushy pedal.

I know this is always a hot topic, and my conclusions are by no means based
on any scientific study, but I am comfortable enough with them to share
with the group with no reservations.

Greg Lemon, TR250



On Sat, Aug 21, 2021, 1:59 PM <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

> Amen.
>
> Keith Stewart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auprichard at uprichard.net <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> Sent: August 21, 2021 7:35 AM
> To: 'William Pugh' <anabil007 at comcast.net>; 'Dave Connitt' <
> dconnitt at fuse.net>
> Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
>
> Do we really need snippy posts like this? Everyone is entitled to an
> opinion without having to endure this.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of William Pugh
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 9:02 PM
> To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
>
>
>
>
>
> why in Earth would you?or any one want to do that?   Ego, perhaps?
>
> > On Aug 20, 2021, at 4:26 PM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> > What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid
> in my TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder
> and slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be
> fairly easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> > Thanks,
> > Dave Connitt
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Aug 21 15:17:43 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 17:17:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <2ad5fcda-e7e0-9db9-4a22-d94f81d0ab5d@earthlink.net>
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I had White Post rebuild the master cylinder on my TR2.  When I installed
it, it leaked badly.  I sent it back and they told me it was because I had
used Dot 5 (I hadn't).   They fixed it a second time but it still leaked.
By this time the paint was shot because of the DOT 3/4 I had dutifully used.

Moral of the story:  I wasn't thrilled with the work done by, or the
attitude of, White Post, but I am using DOT3 in the TR2.  All my other cars
have DOT 5 and the paint is good.

Randall Young always said that companies would not guarantee their work if
DOT 5 was used, but there was no evidence (in his opinion) to support their
claims.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson ,Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Brady
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:09 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass
sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with
DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This
was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5
performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success.
David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Sent: Aug 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A

Hi All,
What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my
TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and
slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly
easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Aug 21 16:55:36 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 18:55:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] DOT3 to DOT5 conversion update
Message-ID: <3DF40989-BD63-4778-AC5E-CC5BD5BAF2F3@fuse.net>

I picked up a rattle can of high build primer, Royal Blue base coat and catalyst clear coat yesterday to repair the damaged paint on the firewall and the master cylinder mounting bracket. I get my new clutch master cylinder and slave on Monday. 
I was going to use my blast cabinet to strip the bubbled up finish in the mounting bracket but need to give the cabinet some TLC first. I figured I would just use a wire wheel on a drill to get down to bare metal on the firewall. Then about a gallon of wax & grease remover to make sure I get all the DOT3 residue off.
One thing I wanted to throw out there is that I am thinking about using my Mighty-Vac to pull the DOT5 through the lines vs. pumping it through via the petal. Do you think that method would reduce the potential of trapped air?
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Aug 21 16:57:14 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 18:57:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <007201d796d1$fc100ac0$f4302040$@uprichard.net>
References: <007201d796d1$fc100ac0$f4302040$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <2A3FFC30-4355-42F2-90DA-458627189A8B@fuse.net>

Noted Andrew!
Dave C

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 21, 2021, at 5:18 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> 
> ?I had White Post rebuild the master cylinder on my TR2.  When I installed
> it, it leaked badly.  I sent it back and they told me it was because I had
> used Dot 5 (I hadn't).   They fixed it a second time but it still leaked.
> By this time the paint was shot because of the DOT 3/4 I had dutifully used.
> 
> Moral of the story:  I wasn't thrilled with the work done by, or the
> attitude of, White Post, but I am using DOT3 in the TR2.  All my other cars
> have DOT 5 and the paint is good.
> 
> Randall Young always said that companies would not guarantee their work if
> DOT 5 was used, but there was no evidence (in his opinion) to support their
> claims.
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson ,Michigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Brady
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:09 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
> 
> Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass
> sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with
> DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This
> was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5
> performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success.
> David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> Sent: Aug 20, 2021 7:26 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my
> TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and
> slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly
> easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
> 
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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Sat Aug 21 17:37:51 2021
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (david brady)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 19:37:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
In-Reply-To: <007201d796d1$fc100ac0$f4302040$@uprichard.net>
References: <2ad5fcda-e7e0-9db9-4a22-d94f81d0ab5d@earthlink.net>
 <007201d796d1$fc100ac0$f4302040$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <814fc0e3-d5b1-70a3-6e26-556d5d997a0e@earthlink.net>

Andrew,

I couldn't agree more about White Post. Some of the stuff they sent back
to me I had to reseal, and I did get some attitude. I love my Triumph,
have owned it for 33 years, but the sucky part about vintage car
ownership are the 'tudes you have to put up with.

David, '68 TR250, CD8124L

On 8/21/2021 5:17 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> I had White Post rebuild the master cylinder on my TR2.  When I installed
> it, it leaked badly.  I sent it back and they told me it was because I had
> used Dot 5 (I hadn't).   They fixed it a second time but it still leaked.
> By this time the paint was shot because of the DOT 3/4 I had dutifully used.
> 
> Moral of the story:  I wasn't thrilled with the work done by, or the
> attitude of, White Post, but I am using DOT3 in the TR2.  All my other cars
> have DOT 5 and the paint is good.
> 
> Randall Young always said that companies would not guarantee their work if
> DOT 5 was used, but there was no evidence (in his opinion) to support their
> claims.
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson ,Michigan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Brady
> Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2021 11:09 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
> 
> Hi Dave, I guess I did a little more: I had White Post Restorations brass
> sleeve all of my cylinders and calipers. They reassembled everything with
> DOT3/4. I installed all the components filled up with DOT5 and bled. This
> was done maybe 5 years ago and I've been very pleased with the DOT5
> performance. There may be easier ways, but this is what I did with success.
> David Brady '68 TR250, CD8124L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> Sent: Aug 20, 2021 7:26 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Converting from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my TR4A
> 
> Hi All,
> What is the preferred way to convert from DOT3 to DOT5 hydraulic fluid in my
> TR4A. The clutch is going to be easy as the leaking master cylinder and
> slave are being replaced and the short hard and soft line will be fairly
> easy to flush. I need suggestions regarding the brakes.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
> 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Aug 22 18:37:29 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 00:37:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spitfire starter measurement?
Message-ID: <SJ0PR14MB46132205517E1B3634B1BECBFAC49@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Would anyone have a starter off a spitfire handy, and can measure the distance between mounting holes? Trying to find a replacement starter for a 62 Hillman, it?s a Lucas M35 with 5? bolt spacing. I believe that?s the same as for all Spitfires.

Thanks in advance,

Cliff


Sent from my iPhone

From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Aug 22 19:21:18 2021
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 21:21:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Spitfire starter measurement?
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR14MB46132205517E1B3634B1BECBFAC49@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR14MB46132205517E1B3634B1BECBFAC49@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <558829021.163705.1629681678500@myemail.cox.net>

It is 5 inches on center.

Joe

> On August 22, 2021 at 8:37 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Would anyone have a starter off a spitfire handy, and can measure the distance between mounting holes? Trying to find a replacement starter for a 62 Hillman, it?s a Lucas M35 with 5? bolt spacing. I believe that?s the same as for all Spitfires.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Cliff
> 
> 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Aug 22 20:51:56 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 02:51:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spitfire starter measurement?
In-Reply-To: <558829021.163705.1629681678500@myemail.cox.net>
References: <SJ0PR14MB46132205517E1B3634B1BECBFAC49@SJ0PR14MB4613.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <558829021.163705.1629681678500@myemail.cox.net>
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Thanks, Joe.

Cliff


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From: JOE CURRY<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 7:21 PM
To: Cliff Hansen<mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>; list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Spitfire starter measurement?

It is 5 inches on center.

Joe

> On August 22, 2021 at 8:37 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> Would anyone have a starter off a spitfire handy, and can measure the distance between mounting holes? Trying to find a replacement starter for a 62 Hillman, it?s a Lucas M35 with 5? bolt spacing. I believe that?s the same as for all Spitfires.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Cliff
>
>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Aug 23 15:39:31 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 17:39:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A
Message-ID: <000a01d79867$5cbf3fd0$163dbf70$@uprichard.net>

Listers:

 

I am getting ready to sell a 1958 TR3A and wanted to bounce it off this list before going further afield.  To be honest, I really don?t want to put it on eBay or one of the other sites like Craigslist as I value my privacy here and don?t want tire-kickers looking around at my cars.

 

Anyway, it is a rust-free white TR3A (black interior) originally out of California.  It was parked in 2010 and I brought it home about 6 weeks ago.  Everything now works and it drives well.

 

A similar car sold on BAT a couple of weeks ago for $15,200, but it had dings, a ratted interior and no overdrive.  This car has no dings, a new interior and an all-synchro overdrive, so I?ll entertain offers in that general area.

 

If anyone is interested, contact me off-line and I?ll give a full description with pics, etc.

 

I hope I am not abusing my privileges on this site by posting this email ?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 23 15:49:44 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 21:49:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A
In-Reply-To: <000a01d79867$5cbf3fd0$163dbf70$@uprichard.net>
References: <000a01d79867$5cbf3fd0$163dbf70$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <547614105.911093.1629755384724@mail.yahoo.com>

 i dont think your abusing your privileges.i think thats what this list is all about.
as for me buying the car..id love to but her indoors would have a fit
Frank
    On Monday, August 23, 2021, 02:41:34 PM PDT, <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
Listers:

 ?

I am getting ready to sell a 1958 TR3A and wanted to bounce it off this list before going further afield.? To be honest, I really don?t want to put it on eBay or one of the other sites like Craigslist as I value my privacy here and don?t want tire-kickers looking around at my cars.

 ?

Anyway, it is a rust-free white TR3A (black interior) originally out of California.? It was parked in 2010 and I brought it home about 6 weeks ago.? Everything now works and it drives well.

 ?

A similar car sold on BAT a couple of weeks ago for $15,200, but it had dings, a ratted interior and no overdrive.? This car has no dings, a new interior and an all-synchro overdrive, so I?ll entertain offers in that general area.

 ?

If anyone is interested, contact me off-line and I?ll give a full description with pics, etc.

 ?

I hope I am not abusing my privileges on this site by posting this email ?

 ?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan
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From acstults at hushmail.com  Mon Aug 23 16:40:16 2021
From: acstults at hushmail.com (Allan Stults)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 15:40:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] 1958 TR3A
Message-ID: <2e97ee9f0a27e585f5d1ec11d463e18c@smtp.hushmail.com>

I agree with Frank.  "That's what this list is all about."

 Allan
'62 TR3



On August 23, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

i dont think your abusing your privileges.

i think thats what this list is all about.


as for me buying the car..id love to but her indoors would have a fit


Frank


On Monday, August 23, 2021, 02:41:34 PM PDT, <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote: 



Listers:

?

I am getting ready to sell a 1958 TR3A and wanted to bounce it off this list before going further afield.? To be honest, I really don?t want to put it on eBay or one of the other sites like Craigslist as I value my privacy here and don?t want tire-kickers looking around at my cars.

?

Anyway, it is a rust-free white TR3A (black interior) originally out of California.? It was parked in 2010 and I brought it home about 6 weeks ago.? Everything now works and it drives well.

?

A similar car sold on BAT a couple of weeks ago for $15,200, but it had dings, a ratted interior and no overdrive.? This car has no dings, a new interior and an all-synchro overdrive, so I?ll entertain offers in that general area.

?

If anyone is interested, contact me off-line and I?ll give a full description with pics, etc.

?

I hope I am not abusing my privileges on this site by posting this email ?

?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 24 00:19:37 2021
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 23:19:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] DOT3 to DOT5 conversion update
In-Reply-To: <3DF40989-BD63-4778-AC5E-CC5BD5BAF2F3@fuse.net>
References: <3DF40989-BD63-4778-AC5E-CC5BD5BAF2F3@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <b610fc42-ec98-9b19-13b9-632e63411863@earthlink.net>

I used a Mighty-Vac when I tried DOT5 and couldn't get a firm pedal.? 
Thought it was the DOT5 and went back to DOT4 and have a nice firm 
pedal.? There are some handy tips that have been shared, like letting 
the fluid sit in the reservoir before bleeding or propping the brake 
pedal down overnight.? The brake fluid already ruined my paint, so I 
just bleed the system a little every two years and live with the DOT4.

Brian

On 8/21/2021 3:55 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> I picked up a rattle can of high build primer, Royal Blue base coat and catalyst clear coat yesterday to repair the damaged paint on the firewall and the master cylinder mounting bracket. I get my new clutch master cylinder and slave on Monday.
> I was going to use my blast cabinet to strip the bubbled up finish in the mounting bracket but need to give the cabinet some TLC first. I figured I would just use a wire wheel on a drill to get down to bare metal on the firewall. Then about a gallon of wax & grease remover to make sure I get all the DOT3 residue off.
> One thing I wanted to throw out there is that I am thinking about using my Mighty-Vac to pull the DOT5 through the lines vs. pumping it through via the petal. Do you think that method would reduce the potential of trapped air?
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jhmdds at aol.com  Tue Aug 24 15:36:28 2021
From: jhmdds at aol.com (jhmdds at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 21:36:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
References: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>

Hey,
Anyone know where I can get some replacement black bezel rings for the Smiths gauges in my '75 Tr6? ?And what diameter the gauge sizes are in millimeters?
Thanks,
James
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 16:41:14 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 18:41:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
In-Reply-To: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CN4X_3YakBR18yZnXcxjcX6oCJmSgVySYn5ML-B-tsCSw@mail.gmail.com>

Can you repaint the ones you have?

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 17:37 <jhmdds at aol.com> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> Anyone know where I can get some replacement black bezel rings for the
> Smiths gauges in my '75 Tr6?  And what diameter the gauge sizes are in
> millimeters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Tue Aug 24 18:40:53 2021
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 20:40:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
In-Reply-To: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0Lp4oU-1mv2SQ1gKS-00erg8@mrelay.perfora.net>

Morris Mintz at West Valley https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/  has replacement parts but you could just repaint the existing ones if they?re in decent shape.

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: jhmdds at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 5:36 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings

Hey, 

Anyone know where I can get some replacement black bezel rings for the Smiths gauges in my '75 Tr6? ?And what diameter the gauge sizes are in millimeters?

Thanks,

James

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Tue Aug 24 18:49:22 2021
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 19:49:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
In-Reply-To: <0Lp4oU-1mv2SQ1gKS-00erg8@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0Lp4oU-1mv2SQ1gKS-00erg8@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <1ff7bd1e-270c-1f5f-84c6-61cdd9d94a3d@satx.rr.com>

Yes if your bezels just need painting,,? use SEM? "Trim Black" looks 
very nice

Patrick

On 8/24/2021 7:40 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:
>
> Morris Mintz at West Valley https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/ 
> <https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/> ?has replacement parts but 
> you could just repaint the existing ones if they?re in decent shape.
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
> *From: *jhmdds at aol.com <mailto:jhmdds at aol.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 24, 2021 5:36 PM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
>
> Hey,
>
> Anyone know where I can get some replacement black bezel rings for the 
> Smiths gauges in my '75 Tr6? ?And what diameter the gauge sizes are in 
> millimeters?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 06:52:51 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 05:52:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
In-Reply-To: <0Lp4oU-1mv2SQ1gKS-00erg8@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <980443559.1224526.1629840988758.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <980443559.1224526.1629840988758@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0Lp4oU-1mv2SQ1gKS-00erg8@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGzCN_ptKDrzoG4h_eqZ_xpbN3iDUNgq93xF7x04ijwhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Triumph Stag use I think the same size rings. Ebay.

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021, 5:46 PM Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org>
wrote:

> Morris Mintz at West Valley https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/  has
> replacement parts but you could just repaint the existing ones if they?re
> in decent shape.
>
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
>
>
> *From: *jhmdds at aol.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 24, 2021 5:36 PM
> *To: *triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject: *[TR] Black Smiths Gauge Bezel Rings
>
>
>
> Hey,
>
>
>
> Anyone know where I can get some replacement black bezel rings for the
> Smiths gauges in my '75 Tr6?  And what diameter the gauge sizes are in
> millimeters?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> James
>
>
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed Aug 25 13:28:53 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 19:28:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] Steve Thornton
Message-ID: <2ae829b1d3f01fd44c9479223ec67ce0ad8bbd66@webmail>

Been trying to contact Steve Thornton in Bowling Green but getting no
response from email or office phone. Any one in recent contact with
him
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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 22:20:22 2021
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 00:20:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
Message-ID: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>

Happy birthday, Jonmac!
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 26 22:30:54 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 23:30:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>
References: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F16B43F-EC99-4C9C-9F7F-BCCB22C47E89@yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday John, many happy returns!
Bill

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns

On Aug 26, 2021, at 11:20 PM, Chuck White <triumph.driver at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Happy birthday, Jonmac!

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 27 05:16:00 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 11:16:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>
References: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2133867014.828127.1630062960628@mail.yahoo.com>

 Roight!? Have a right jolly old day.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: Triumphs List <Triumphs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 26, 2021 11:20 pm
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings

  Happy birthday, Jonmac!
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Aug 27 06:18:33 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 08:18:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] Follow up question about repairing DOT 3 related paint damage
Message-ID: <110F6558-BB55-4F19-95F6-6E065DDC2924@fuse.net>

Hi all,
This is directed at those of you with experience in automotive painting.
I had recently posted comments and questions about switching from DOT3 to DOT 5 brake fluid due to paint damage on my TR4A.
At this point, I have removed both master cylinders and sanded down/removed all of the damaged paint (as far as I can tell).
Before I start repainting the damaged area, does anyone have any suggestions on how to ensure I have removed all the DOT 3 residue? I am planning on wiping all the affected areas with wax and grease remover prior to paint.
If you are interested, I posted a YouTube video on this project on DavesTR4A (Triumph TR4A DOT 3 Paint Damage Repair Part 1). 
Thanks in advance,
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 27 13:09:50 2021
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel Justin)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 19:09:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...
Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a question. I've got a 1965 Triumph 2000 Mk1 Saloon. The engine is basically a GT6 2 liter with dual Stromberg CD150 carbs. I have a starting issue and I'd like to tap into the wisdom of this group. When I first go to start the car, I give it a little choke, pump the accelerator once or twice and leave it at about half throttle, and turn the key. The car always starts right up, even if it's been sitting for a month. But if I pull it out into the driveway, and turn it off (or stall it ?), then try to restart it, it struggles. It cranks and cranks with the RPMs increasing like it's thinking about starting, and sometimes it does, but others, it takes several cycles of that before it starts. The warmer the engine, the harder it is to restart. If I let it cool for say a half hour, it starts right up again. The carbs were rebuilt about a year ago (this happened before and after the rebuild). I've replaced the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one thinking it might be a weak fuel pump, but that didn't solve it. I improved my grounding to ensure I wasn't stealing coil voltage for the starter, and I even replaced the starter with a high-torque version to get a higher spin rate. None of this helped. I thought vapor lock might be the issue (I also installed a head shield for the carbs), but it happens when it's cold too. The only thing left I can think of is that the carbs are flooding. But when I rebuilt them, I was careful to set the float height. Before I pull the carbs to check/adjust, does anyone have any suggestions on what might be causing this?

Thanks, Joel Justin...
1954 TR2
1958 10 Estate
1960 TR3A
1961 TR4
1965 2000
1971 GT6

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 16:27:48 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:27:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNyvXCXOjB6caX2PVC3HUePn36vEa=yz8_D-_-+m+do8A@mail.gmail.com>

Carb diaphragms?

90% of carb problems are electric, and 90% of ignition problems are fuel
related.

Step back, take a breather, and check the basics.  Got compression?  Got
sufficient fuel delivery?  Got spark at the right time?

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 15:10 Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a question. I've got a 1965
> Triumph 2000 Mk1 Saloon. The engine is basically a GT6 2 liter with dual
> Stromberg CD150 carbs. I have a starting issue and I'd like to tap into the
> wisdom of this group. When I first go to start the car, I give it a little
> choke, pump the accelerator once or twice and leave it at about half
> throttle, and turn the key. The car always starts right up, even if it's
> been sitting for a month. But if I pull it out into the driveway, and turn
> it off (or stall it ?), then try to restart it, it struggles. It cranks
> and cranks with the RPMs increasing like it's thinking about starting, and
> sometimes it does, but others, it takes several cycles of that before it
> starts. The warmer the engine, the harder it is to restart. If I let it
> cool for say a half hour, it starts right up again. The carbs were rebuilt
> about a year ago (this happened before and after the rebuild). I've
> replaced the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one thinking it might be
> a weak fuel pump, but that didn't solve it. I improved my grounding to
> ensure I wasn't stealing coil voltage for the starter, and I even replaced
> the starter with a high-torque version to get a higher spin rate. None of
> this helped. I thought vapor lock might be the issue (I also installed a
> head shield for the carbs), but it happens when it's cold too. The only
> thing left I can think of is that the carbs are flooding. But when I
> rebuilt them, I was careful to set the float height. Before I pull the
> carbs to check/adjust, does anyone have any suggestions on what might be
> causing this?
>
> Thanks, Joel Justin...
> 1954 TR2
> 1958 10 Estate
> 1960 TR3A
> 1961 TR4
> 1965 2000
> 1971 GT6
>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 16:29:29 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 18:29:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNyvXCXOjB6caX2PVC3HUePn36vEa=yz8_D-_-+m+do8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNyvXCXOjB6caX2PVC3HUePn36vEa=yz8_D-_-+m+do8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CM57g4qYCy4ZH4U2Oa-M1iWJ=JKbW=QeLKQvc_bCY8x2Q@mail.gmail.com>

P.S.  With a Stromberg carb, there's no accelerator pump.  So giving the
pedal a couple of pumps really doesn't do anything.   But it is a ritual as
old as time, and it doesn't hurt either.

On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 18:27 Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Carb diaphragms?
>
> 90% of carb problems are electric, and 90% of ignition problems are fuel
> related.
>
> Step back, take a breather, and check the basics.  Got compression?  Got
> sufficient fuel delivery?  Got spark at the right time?
>
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2021, 15:10 Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a question. I've got a 1965
>> Triumph 2000 Mk1 Saloon. The engine is basically a GT6 2 liter with dual
>> Stromberg CD150 carbs. I have a starting issue and I'd like to tap into the
>> wisdom of this group. When I first go to start the car, I give it a little
>> choke, pump the accelerator once or twice and leave it at about half
>> throttle, and turn the key. The car always starts right up, even if it's
>> been sitting for a month. But if I pull it out into the driveway, and turn
>> it off (or stall it ?), then try to restart it, it struggles. It cranks
>> and cranks with the RPMs increasing like it's thinking about starting, and
>> sometimes it does, but others, it takes several cycles of that before it
>> starts. The warmer the engine, the harder it is to restart. If I let it
>> cool for say a half hour, it starts right up again. The carbs were rebuilt
>> about a year ago (this happened before and after the rebuild). I've
>> replaced the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one thinking it might be
>> a weak fuel pump, but that didn't solve it. I improved my grounding to
>> ensure I wasn't stealing coil voltage for the starter, and I even replaced
>> the starter with a high-torque version to get a higher spin rate. None of
>> this helped. I thought vapor lock might be the issue (I also installed a
>> head shield for the carbs), but it happens when it's cold too. The only
>> thing left I can think of is that the carbs are flooding. But when I
>> rebuilt them, I was careful to set the float height. Before I pull the
>> carbs to check/adjust, does anyone have any suggestions on what might be
>> causing this?
>>
>> Thanks, Joel Justin...
>> 1954 TR2
>> 1958 10 Estate
>> 1960 TR3A
>> 1961 TR4
>> 1965 2000
>> 1971 GT6
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 27 16:37:35 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:37:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1928629283.61780.1630103855425@mail.yahoo.com>

It is acting like it is too rich/flooding.? There may be debris in the needle valve(s) that is preventing the float closing off fuel flow all together.? Or the carbs are just wet too rich.? The base of the needle assembly should be flush with the bottom of the piston as a starting point.? 
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 27, 2021 2:09 pm
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...

 #yiv1261382333 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a question. I've got a 1965 Triumph 2000 Mk1 Saloon. The engine is basically a GT6 2 liter with dual Stromberg CD150 carbs. I have a starting issue and I'd like to tap into the wisdom of this group. When I first go to start the car, I give it a little choke, pump the accelerator once or twice and leave it at about half throttle, and turn the key. The car always starts right up, even if it's been sitting for a month. But if I pull it out into the driveway, and turn it off (or stall it ?), then try to restart it, it struggles. It cranks and cranks with the RPMs increasing like it's thinking about starting, and sometimes it does, but others, it takes several cycles of that before it starts. The warmer the engine, the harder it is to restart. If I let it cool for say a half hour, it starts right up again. The carbs were rebuilt about a year ago (this happened before and after the rebuild). I've replaced the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one thinking it might be a weak fuel pump, but that didn't solve it. I improved my grounding to ensure I wasn't stealing coil voltage for the starter, and I even replaced the starter with a high-torque version to get a higher spin rate. None of this helped. I thought vapor lock might be the issue (I also installed a head shield for the carbs), but it happens when it's cold too. The only thing left I can think of is that the carbs are flooding. But when I rebuilt them, I was careful to set the float height. Before I pull the carbs to check/adjust, does anyone have any suggestions on what might be causing this?
Thanks, Joel Justin...1954 TR21958 10 Estate1960 TR3A1961 TR41965 20001971 GT6
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From john at linneyweb.com  Fri Aug 27 16:47:13 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 15:47:13 -0700
Subject: [TR] Engine Starting Issue...
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR10MB27769830EB9225CEDC38DB39BEC89@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <C5FC77F9-CD92-494F-BB61-2A75B73932C8@linneyweb.com>

Hi Joel - It does sound like it?s flooding. It could be that your electric fuel pump is kicking out too much pressure and overcoming the float valve, unless you have a regulator. The carbs need only 3 or 4 pounds at the most. I have seen this issue with a friend?s TR6. -john

> On Aug 27, 2021, at 12:10 PM, Joel Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi everyone. This is my first time posting a question. I've got a 1965 Triumph 2000 Mk1 Saloon. The engine is basically a GT6 2 liter with dual Stromberg CD150 carbs. I have a starting issue and I'd like to tap into the wisdom of this group. When I first go to start the car, I give it a little choke, pump the accelerator once or twice and leave it at about half throttle, and turn the key. The car always starts right up, even if it's been sitting for a month. But if I pull it out into the driveway, and turn it off (or stall it ?), then try to restart it, it struggles. It cranks and cranks with the RPMs increasing like it's thinking about starting, and sometimes it does, but others, it takes several cycles of that before it starts. The warmer the engine, the harder it is to restart. If I let it cool for say a half hour, it starts right up again. The carbs were rebuilt about a year ago (this happened before and after the rebuild). I've replaced the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one thinking it might be a weak fuel pump, but that didn't solve it. I improved my grounding to ensure I wasn't stealing coil voltage for the starter, and I even replaced the starter with a high-torque version to get a higher spin rate. None of this helped. I thought vapor lock might be the issue (I also installed a head shield for the carbs), but it happens when it's cold too. The only thing left I can think of is that the carbs are flooding. But when I rebuilt them, I was careful to set the float height. Before I pull the carbs to check/adjust, does anyone have any suggestions on what might be causing this?
> 
> Thanks, Joel Justin...
> 1954 TR2
> 1958 10 Estate
> 1960 TR3A
> 1961 TR4
> 1965 2000
> 1971 GT6
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Aug 27 21:19:07 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:19:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <7F16B43F-EC99-4C9C-9F7F-BCCB22C47E89@yahoo.com>
References: <45ea3c67-efe6-724d-fcee-7e992589fdc1@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <005901d79bbb$7669bdf0$633d39d0$@ranteer.com>

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JONMAC

 

We fondly remember your visit here in the states

 

 

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From lherault at verizon.net  Sat Aug 28 18:20:24 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:20:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] Alternator test(s)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1630173602.28813.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1630173602.28813.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <003201d79c6b$aa118e70$fe34ab50$@net>

After a nice but hot ride up to a friend's house in my '73 TR6 on Thursday,
the ride home turned dark.  Yeah, it was night time and I had the headlights
(candles) lit.  All was well for most of the 45 min trip home but the
charging light came on just as I was approaching my driveway.  Lights got
dim.  So, did the alternator (a not too long ago replacement) die or is it
some other issue.  Did a wire  fall off/break?  Drat.

Ron L


From lherault at verizon.net  Mon Aug 30 11:38:41 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 13:38:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 charging issue
References: <001701d79dc5$dfda9000$9f8fb000$.ref@net>
Message-ID: <001701d79dc5$dfda9000$9f8fb000$@net>

WoooHooo!  I found the problem and it was an easy fix.   The frontmost wire
of the three on the oil pressure sensor switch had fallen off.  The clip was
loose.   I gave the two sides a gentle squeeze, pushed it back on and
everything was performing normally (except the driver of course).  Thanks
for the suggestions given!

 

Ron L

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From ccgunn at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 30 13:42:40 2021
From: ccgunn at sbcglobal.net (David Gunn)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:42:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!!  TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
References: <1391088660.672753.1630352560127.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1391088660.672753.1630352560127@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.? It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.? 
I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.? I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.? I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.? It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).? Everything from the transmission back is original.
When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.? So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.? I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.? At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.
I drove it many miles all over northern California.? My last drive was up to Lassen Park.? It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.? I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).? At that point, it was parked.
Now, I am back to it.? I am starting with the seals.? Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?? Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.? I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.? It has the original 9" drums.? I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.? (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)? I did knock a chip off the drum.? I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?? I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.? I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.? 

One more question:? I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.? Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the oil.? Is this correct?? An old wives tale?

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated.
Thank you,
David
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 30 15:01:24 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:01:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
In-Reply-To: <1391088660.672753.1630352560127@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1391088660.672753.1630352560127@mail.yahoo.com>
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Dave,
Don?t know about speedy sleeves for the axel seals, someone will. 

If the brake drum is turning, the only thing keeping it on is the friction fit around the hub and studs.   Spraying with PB Blaster/Liquid Wrench or the acetone-ATF mix is a good way to go.   I use a 4lb soft-blow hammer so as not to chip the brake drum.  If you can get to move a little then a couple of tire irons may help you wiggle off the rest of the way.  

Never heard of the brake shoe fix you describe, couldn?t hurt.  I have had shoes become soaked with brake fluid, sprayed liberally with brake cleaner and scuffed with sandpaper, repeat, worked a treat.  

Bill B
TS30800L

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns

On Aug 30, 2021, at 2:44 PM, David Gunn <ccgunn at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

?
Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.  

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is original.

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up to Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).  At that point, it was parked.

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.  

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

David
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Aug 30 15:10:11 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:10:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
In-Reply-To: <1391088660.672753.1630352560127@mail.yahoo.com>
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I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn?t an issue.  I guess it depends on the size.  If this was a car you intended to race, you?d probably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle anyway.  The Lockheed rear ends may be good for authenticity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girling.

 

I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do not leak.

 

Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.

 

No idea about re-using the shoes ? sorry !

 

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Gunn
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues

 

Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.    <https://s.yimg.com/nq/yemoji_assets/latest/yemoji_assets/1f600.png> 

 

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is original.

 

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

 

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up to Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).  At that point, it was parked.

 

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?

 

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.  

 

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

 

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated.

 

Thank you,

 

David

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Aug 30 15:29:17 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 21:29:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
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Lockheed 9? brake shoes are difficult to find. I know, I was looking for a set earlier this summer.

You can have the brake shoes relined. I asked the list for recommended shops about two months ago, and can dig out the replies if you?d like.

Personally, I would not use oil-soaked shoes. The oil will have soaked into whatever pore space is in the friction material. I don?t think the kitty litter will do a thing at least in the time frame you would like (maybe if left for years?). Cleaning with solvent will remove only the surface layers of oil.

Cliff


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From: auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:11 PM
To: 'David Gunn'<mailto:ccgunn at sbcglobal.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues

I had a small chip in a drum and was told it wasn?t an issue.  I guess it depends on the size.  If this was a car you intended to race, you?d probably be getting rid of the Lockheed axle anyway.  The Lockheed rear ends may be good for authenticity, but there was a reason the later cars used Girling.

I put new seals on my (Lockheed) axle and they do not leak.

Second what Bill B. said about removing the drum.

No idea about re-using the shoes ? sorry !

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Gunn
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 3:43 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues

Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.  [Emoji]

I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is original.

When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.

I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up to Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).  At that point, it was parked.

Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?

The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.

One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?

So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

David

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 13:25:13 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:25:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Visited Moss in London a few years ago...
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFD5Ki_fc8CObRhghmJt7r4a45Kf-yFHVXEs4-_70uq7qA@mail.gmail.com>

...to pick up a couple of items as I was inbound to the UK for a long
weekend playing with cars with some friends from the TR Register.  I took a
few pix of Moss Europe in West London, which I just ran across and thought
the group here might get a kick out of seeing.

Boy, the opportunity to pop down to a parts counter and talk to
knowledgeable folks with a whole bunch of stock -- what a treat.
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 13:45:26 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:45:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] I'm Back!! TR2 Rear Oil Seal and Brake Drum Removal Issues
In-Reply-To: <8971EE1B-F826-402C-8D5B-0FD1A0BE5474@yahoo.com>
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The face of the hub and the inside of the drum could also be rusted, a fair amount of surface area. Maybe a few applications of heat with a propane torch help. Heat and cool, repeat.

If the oil seal has worn the surface, you should be able to see and feel it.

> On Aug 30, 2021, at 5:01 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave,
> Don?t know about speedy sleeves for the axel seals, someone will. 
> 
> If the brake drum is turning, the only thing keeping it on is the friction fit around the hub and studs.   Spraying with PB Blaster/Liquid Wrench or the acetone-ATF mix is a good way to go.   I use a 4lb soft-blow hammer so as not to chip the brake drum.  If you can get to move a little then a couple of tire irons may help you wiggle off the rest of the way.  
> 
> Never heard of the brake shoe fix you describe, couldn?t hurt.  I have had shoes become soaked with brake fluid, sprayed liberally with brake cleaner and scuffed with sandpaper, repeat, worked a treat.  
> 
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> 
> Last night I saw upon the stair,
> A little man who wasn't there,
> He wasn't there again today
> Oh, how I wish he'd go away.... Mearns
> 
> On Aug 30, 2021, at 2:44 PM, David Gunn <ccgunn at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi - After about a 10 year hiatus due to health issues, I'm back on the list.  It is good to see that this list is still going strong, and was in awe that the Dot 3 v. Dot 5 controversy still exists.  
> 
> I have a 1954 TR2 longdoor, TS3388L.  I rebuilt every system (brakes, electrical, fuel, cooling) 10-15 years ago.  I did not have to open up the engine, transmission or rear end, as they seemed to be working just fine.  It is close to original; although it does have a TR3 engine and disc brakes on the front (I didn't do it).  Everything from the transmission back is original.
> 
> When I parked it, I, unfortunately, did nothing.  So, I know that I will need to redo and rebuild all of the various systems.  I am hoping that I do not have to remove the gas tank again, as I parked it with a full tank of gas.  At some point, I put Marvel Mystery Oil in the cylinders.
> 
> I drove it many miles all over northern California.  My last drive was up to Lassen Park.  It ran fine; although it developed a leak in one of the rear wheel seals.  I replaced both seals, and then both leaked (par normal for me).  At that point, it was parked.
> 
> Now, I am back to it.  I am starting with the seals.  Someone suggested that driving it with the original (?) seals caused a scaring on the axle and that I needed to put a sleeve on the axle to ensure a good seal. Does that make any sense?  Is this something that I can do, or do I need to take the axles in to a machine shop?
> 
> The right rear brake drum came off with minimal effort.  I have not been able to get the left brake drum off.  It has the original 9" drums.  I have lightly tapped all the way around, to no avail.  (BTW, I did remove the 2 set screws, and was able to back off the shoes, so it spins relatively freely.)  I did knock a chip off the drum.  I hope that doesn't affect the balance of that wheel?  I have liberally sprayed penetrating oil in every crevice I could find.  I have not been back out to the shop since applying the penetrating oil, due to the poor AQI and heavy smoke from the wildfires in northern California.  
> 
> One more question:  I have 2 sets of near new brake shoes, but they were soaked with oil.  Somewhere I heard that burying them in a tub of kitty litter would draw out the oil.  Is this correct?  An old wives tale?
> 
> So, any advice from the combined wisdom of this group is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> David
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Aug 31 13:54:48 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:54:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Visited Moss in London a few years ago...
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nice having the pats counter there!

great pics

2012 four of us from the northeast/mid atlantic area, headed down to 
road Atlanta, lucked out and got a private tour of the brand new Moss 
distribution facility in southern VA. MONster facility, only about 50% 
stocked at that time but got to see there upholstery shop, inventory 
system etc etc and a couple historic cool cars up front.

It really give you a different perspective on a company when your only 
real interaction has been a catalog or online website

ptegler

On 8/31/2021 3:25 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:

> ...to pick up a couple of items as I was inbound to the UK for a long 
> weekend playing with cars with some friends from the TR Register.? I 
> took a few pix of Moss Europe in West?London, which I just ran across 
> and thought the group here might get a kick out of seeing.
>
> Boy, the opportunity to pop down to a parts counter and talk to 
> knowledgeable folks with a whole bunch of stock -- what a treat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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From lherault at verizon.net  Tue Aug 31 15:06:27 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 17:06:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 charging issue-update.
References: <007001d79eac$1102aaf0$330800d0$.ref@net>
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Looks like I'm not out of the woods yet.   I didn't think the loose wire on
the oil pressure sender had anything to do with the charging system but I
was blinded by optimism.  The dash gauge showed charging up around 15V.
Today I took the car out and when I started it up, the gauge was a little
sluggish but it indicated normal charging.    A few minutes into the ride
and the gauge settled in at just over 12V!    I confirmed that with a
voltmeter later.  Looks like I need to have the unit rebuilt or replaced.
Drat.  I also checked to see when I got it  -2009!  It has been in there a
while.

 

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