From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Thu Apr  1 11:18:07 2021
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:18:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
John DeLuca


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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Thu Apr  1 11:25:43 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 11:25:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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I'm installing Wilwood conversion kit on a Jag XK150. Might check with 
their catalog.. ??

On 4/1/2021 11:18 AM, John Deluca wrote:
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
>
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Apr  1 11:47:16 2021
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:47:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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 <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000001d7271f$16062590$421270b0$@cox.net>

John,

Link below identifies differences between front suspension for drums and discs.

Looks like a pretty straight forward conversion, as the suspension is generally the same and everything is "bolt on".


https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr2-3-4/suspension-steering/front-suspension-tr2-4


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Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:18 AM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
John DeLuca


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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Thu Apr  1 11:55:10 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 17:55:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <000001d7271f$16062590$421270b0$@cox.net>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166@sbcglobal.net>
 <000001d7271f$16062590$421270b0$@cox.net>
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I just did a TR2 front conversion from steel wheels to wire wheels.  Looked easy but some of the parts are impossible to get and others are very expensive.  Be sure you can get all the components you need before you dive in.

Steve Kirby
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jpaynepbr at cox.net
Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:47 AM
To: 'John Deluca' <john-marie at sbcglobal.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

John,

Link below identifies differences between front suspension for drums and discs.

Looks like a pretty straight forward conversion, as the suspension is generally the same and everything is "bolt on".


https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr2-3-4/suspension-steering/front-suspension-tr2-4


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Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 10:18 AM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
John DeLuca


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  1 12:20:24 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 18:20:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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 we recently switched the Triumph Mayflower from its drums to TR3 disks.simple swapFrank
    On Thursday, April 1, 2021, 10:18:57 AM PDT, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:  
 
 Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.? Have read in forums what some folks have done.? I could not see a one best way.? Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and? any suggestions are appreciated.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Apr  1 13:44:01 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:44:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.  Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.  That is chasing a rainbow.

There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.  Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.  They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?

Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?  brake problems are often due to bad hoses.  Switch to SS and see if that helps.

Please read this:  https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm

Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.



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Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:18 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  1 13:45:12 2021
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 19:45:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>,
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John,

I have a '54 TR2 with TR3 discs, but I didn't do the conversion - the person I bought the car from did. If you reach out to me privately, I can get you in contact with him if you'd like.

But as others have said, I believe the swap is pretty straight-forward as long as you have a spare TR3 sitting around. Comparing the spare parts catalogues or Moss' website and noting the differences would give you the list of parts that need changing.

Joel...


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To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

Listers,
Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Thu Apr  1 14:39:03 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:39:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <000001d7272f$5d8432d0$188c9870$@ranteer.com>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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 <000001d7272f$5d8432d0$188c9870$@ranteer.com>
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The easier conversion or upgrade might/would be to add a brake booster. 
Pretty cheap and easy enough to plumb in.. I agree with Dave.. drums 
will lock up all four if proper maintained.. DaveP

On 4/1/2021 1:44 PM, dave wrote:
> TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.  Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.  That is chasing a rainbow.
>
> There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.  Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.  They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?
>
> Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?  brake problems are often due to bad hoses.  Switch to SS and see if that helps.
>
> Please read this:  https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm
>
> Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Deluca
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
>
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Apr  1 15:38:35 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 22:38:35 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <000001d7272f$5d8432d0$188c9870$@ranteer.com>
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Hear hear on Dave Masseys input. Unless you plan to regularly use the car on mountain pass type roads where prolonged heavy braking is the norm, those front drums should be fine. The same applies to the MGA and smaller cars like the Mk 1 Sprite and MG TC. In the mid sixties I used my ?48 TC (first car) extensively in the Alps of Austria and Switzerland without a problem. Just a bit slower on descents and one gear lower than I?d normally use.

Jonmac

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> On 1 Apr 2021, at 20:44, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.  Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.  That is chasing a rainbow.
> 
> There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.  Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.  They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?
> 
> Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?  brake problems are often due to bad hoses.  Switch to SS and see if that helps.
> 
> Please read this:  https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm
> 
> Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Deluca
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
> 
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Apr  1 15:52:20 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:52:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <F735421B-A339-4527-8013-00FE4AC363A1@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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 Er... thanks for the vote of confidence but that was Dave Ranteer's advice but I do agree wholeheartedly.? The reason to keep one of these is to appreciate the anachronism.? That is why I kept my 57 bone stock and original.? It really makes one appreciate what those boffins did with the technology at their disposal at that time.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 4:38 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

Hear hear on Dave Masseys input. Unless you plan to regularly use the car on mountain pass type roads where prolonged heavy braking is the norm, those front drums should be fine. The same applies to the MGA and smaller cars like the Mk 1 Sprite and MG TC. In the mid sixties I used my ?48 TC (first car) extensively in the Alps of Austria and Switzerland without a problem. Just a bit slower on descents and one gear lower than I?d normally use.

Jonmac

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> On 1 Apr 2021, at 20:44, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.? Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.? That is chasing a rainbow.
> 
> There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.? Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.? They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?
> 
> Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?? brake problems are often due to bad hoses.? Switch to SS and see if that helps.
> 
> Please read this:? https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm
> 
> Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Deluca
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
> 
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.? Have read in forums what some folks have done.? I could not see a one best way.? Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and? any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Apr  1 18:39:31 2021
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 00:39:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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 Hear, Hear! The comparison to early MGA is especially appropriate, as they are very, very similar Lockheed systems.Years ago, a friend of mine with an MGA 1500 wanted me to check his brakes out. The car really didn't stop all that well, primarily because only one front wheel was actually benefiting from functional brakes! I got him going -- and stopping -- well again with a complete overhaul at all four corners. My only regret was trying to save him money by going with "pattern" wheel cylinders rather than the available-but-more-expensive OE Lockheed parts. Those wheel cylinders did function, but they were so badly cast that it took far too much time to carefully file them to fit. 
 
--Andy 
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-----Original Message-----
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Apr 1, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion

TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.? Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.? That is chasing a rainbow.

There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.? Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.? They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?

Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?? brake problems are often due to bad hoses.? Switch to SS and see if that helps.

Please read this:? https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm

Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Apr  1 22:04:30 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 21:04:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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Disc brakes are an improvement in technology.  Which I'm guessing Triumph figured out sometime in 1956.  One of the reasons I'm able to beat Corvettes on the race track, is because of their inferior front drum brakes to my Triumph discs.  An errant ball or Squirrel crossing the street may also be a good reason to have better brakes.  Chevy didn't add discs to the front of a Corvette until 1963.  Duh.  
Dave H. 
  
> On 04/01/2021 10:18 AM John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 22:28:26 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:28:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
In-Reply-To: <60000174.162214.1617336270793@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <8F78CD72-5FC3-4C22-8524-3A7AD6BD2166.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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I agree about the brakes, I don't think it is a must thing, but if you are
bolting on parts from a later Triumph that otherwise is essentially the
same car.

However, rack and pinion steering.  I have driven TR3s with rack and pinion
steering.  Is it lighter and more direct? Yes.  Does it still feel like a
widescreen TR? No, not at all.

Greg Lemon, TR250

On Thu, Apr 1, 2021, 11:04 PM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

> Disc brakes are an improvement in technology.  Which I'm guessing Triumph
> figured out sometime in 1956.  One of the reasons I'm able to beat
> Corvettes on the race track, is because of their inferior front drum brakes
> to my Triumph discs.  An errant ball or Squirrel crossing the street may
> also be a good reason to have better brakes.  Chevy didn't add discs to the
> front of a Corvette until 1963.  Duh.
> Dave H.
>
> > On 04/01/2021 10:18 AM John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Listers,
> > Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read
> in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does
> anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a
> reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are
> appreciated.
> > John DeLuca
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Fri Apr  2 06:05:08 2021
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 08:05:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr  3 19:27:44 2021
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 20:27:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
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Dave,
I disagree. Unless it?s used as a ?parade car? improving the brakes will increase safety, which is my concern.  I?m not interested in ?modernizing?.
All,
My thanks and appreciation to all who responded.  I believe I have answered all individually.
John DeLuca

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 1, 2021, at 2:44 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?TR2s are wonderful quirky old things.  Beware the quest to "modernize" it with discs, rack n pinion steering and the like.  That is chasing a rainbow.
> 
> There is no good reason to do that unless you are racing.  Drum brakes are adequate to stop the car and keep it original, if you keep the drums in shape.  They do fade faster than disc, but is that an issue?
> 
> Or are you doing this because you have brake problems and have not properly diagnosed/repaired the problem?  brake problems are often due to bad hoses.  Switch to SS and see if that helps.
> 
> Please read this:  https://mgaguru.com/mgtech/brakes/bt202.htm
> 
> Yes, it is about MGA, but they are very similar cars and I believe the logic here is the same.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Deluca
> Sent: Thursday, April 1, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR2 front brake conversion
> 
> Listers,
> Am considering converting my 1955 TR2 to front disc brakes.  Have read in forums what some folks have done.  I could not see a one best way.  Does anyone have a ?cookbook recipe? of the parts needed, procedures, etc. for a reliable conversion? I know this is asking a lot and  any suggestions are appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
> 
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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Sun Apr  4 15:49:59 2021
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:49:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
Message-ID: <YQXPR0101MB0789A46969AB3F828E12DB15D4789@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion ...

The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it tightened?

Surely someone has experienced this?

As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca>
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920




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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Apr  4 16:25:50 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:25:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
In-Reply-To: <YQXPR0101MB0789A46969AB3F828E12DB15D4789@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YQXPR0101MB0789A46969AB3F828E12DB15D4789@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Other than the bolts which attach to captive nuts on the fender under where
the front apron sits, I am aware of only one bolt which screws into a
captive nut in a TR2 or TR3 front fender ? the one which is accessed from
the footwell.  A picture would be very helpful as I have just looked at my
cars and cannot understand what you are referring to.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com) <britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

 

My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as
we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a
suggestion ...

 

The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear
bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are
two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw
into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a
hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear
bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into
the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it
tightened?

 

Surely someone has experienced this? 

 

As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Brian

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Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:
<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca> Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca

92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947

Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  4 17:03:40 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 18:03:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
In-Reply-To: <002d01d729a1$79555d30$6c001790$@uprichard.net>
References: <002d01d729a1$79555d30$6c001790$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <4F444011-AE83-4987-8471-34B6E64D41F6@yahoo.com>

Agree with Andrew, only one bolt, a picture would help. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:26 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:

?
Other than the bolts which attach to captive nuts on the fender under where the front apron sits, I am aware of only one bolt which screws into a captive nut in a TR2 or TR3 front fender ? the one which is accessed from the footwell.  A picture would be very helpful as I have just looked at my cars and cannot understand what you are referring to.
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com) <britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
 
My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion ...
 
The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it tightened?
 
Surely someone has experienced this?
 
As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.
 
Cheers,
 
Brian
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92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A, 
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920
 
 
 
 
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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Sun Apr  4 21:32:13 2021
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 03:32:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
In-Reply-To: <4F444011-AE83-4987-8471-34B6E64D41F6@yahoo.com>
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Unfortunately the car is at friend Brad?s ? if he can shoot a pic of the two mounting holes on the scuttle and maybe the captive nuts on a fender, I?ll post ?

From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Sent: April 4, 2021 7:04 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net
Cc: Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca>; triumphs at autox.team.net; Brad Smith <britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

Agree with Andrew, only one bolt, a picture would help.
Bill
#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:26 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
?
Other than the bolts which attach to captive nuts on the fender under where the front apron sits, I am aware of only one bolt which screws into a captive nut in a TR2 or TR3 front fender ? the one which is accessed from the footwell.  A picture would be very helpful as I have just looked at my cars and cannot understand what you are referring to.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan


From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>) <britspcars at gmail.com<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion ...

The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it tightened?

Surely someone has experienced this?

As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca>
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920




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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Mon Apr  5 08:29:01 2021
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:29:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
In-Reply-To: <YQXPR0101MB07890BA6AF441F71F7C0F405D4779@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Here?s a shot of the spare parts catalogue calling for 2 ?screws? where the fender mounts to the scuttle ?

But NOW after ?documenting? this, I notice the screw counts are for BOTH fenders not just the LH as I had assumed.  So as you guys said ONE at the scuttle attachment point.  A second shot of the scuttle (BELOW) shows the two mounting points I mentioned.  I haven?t looked at the fenders in almost a year since they were painted and wrapped in blankets but I?m now confident there will be only ONE captive nut in that area.

Thanks

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[cid:image002.jpg at 01D72A06.7B5A8820]

From: Brian Thomas
Sent: April 4, 2021 11:32 PM
To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>; auprichard at uprichard.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Brad Smith <britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

Unfortunately the car is at friend Brad?s ? if he can shoot a pic of the two mounting holes on the scuttle and maybe the captive nuts on a fender, I?ll post ?

From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com<mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>>
Sent: April 4, 2021 7:04 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca<mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca>>; triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>; Brad Smith <britspcars at gmail.com<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

Agree with Andrew, only one bolt, a picture would help.
Bill
#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:26 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
?
Other than the bolts which attach to captive nuts on the fender under where the front apron sits, I am aware of only one bolt which screws into a captive nut in a TR2 or TR3 front fender ? the one which is accessed from the footwell.  A picture would be very helpful as I have just looked at my cars and cannot understand what you are referring to.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan


From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>) <britspcars at gmail.com<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>>
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion ...

The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it tightened?

Surely someone has experienced this?

As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_____________________________________________________
Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca<mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca>
92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920




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From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 10:52:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear
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Only one bolt ? the rearmost hole is not for a bolt.

 

Andrew

 

From: Brad Smith <britspcars at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 10:46 AM
To: Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca>
Cc: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>; auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

 

Sorry, missed the thread earlier.

Here is the actual car clearly showing the two attachment points.

I also have no idea how the rear one is supposed to "work"

- Brad



 

On Mon, Apr 5, 2021 at 10:29 AM Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca <mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca> > wrote:

Here?s a shot of the spare parts catalogue calling for 2 ?screws? where the fender mounts to the scuttle ?

 

But NOW after ?documenting? this, I notice the screw counts are for BOTH fenders not just the LH as I had assumed.  So as you guys said ONE at the scuttle attachment point.  A second shot of the scuttle (BELOW) shows the two mounting points I mentioned.  I haven?t looked at the fenders in almost a year since they were painted and wrapped in blankets but I?m now confident there will be only ONE captive nut in that area.

 

Thanks 

 



 



 

From: Brian Thomas 
Sent: April 4, 2021 11:32 PM
To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com> >; auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> ; Brad Smith <britspcars at gmail.com <mailto:britspcars at gmail.com> >
Subject: RE: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

 

Unfortunately the car is at friend Brad?s ? if he can shoot a pic of the two mounting holes on the scuttle and maybe the captive nuts on a fender, I?ll post ?

 

From: bill beecher < <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com> notakitcar at yahoo.com> 
Sent: April 4, 2021 7:04 PM
To:  <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> auprichard at uprichard.net
Cc: Brian Thomas < <mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca> thomasb at queensu.ca>;  <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> triumphs at autox.team.net; Brad Smith < <mailto:britspcars at gmail.com> britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

 

Agree with Andrew, only one bolt, a picture would help. 

Bill

#dontkillgrandma


On Apr 4, 2021, at 5:26 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>  wrote:

? 

Other than the bolts which attach to captive nuts on the fender under where the front apron sits, I am aware of only one bolt which screws into a captive nut in a TR2 or TR3 front fender ? the one which is accessed from the footwell.  A picture would be very helpful as I have just looked at my cars and cannot understand what you are referring to.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Brian Thomas
Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 5:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com <mailto:britspcars at gmail.com> ) <britspcars at gmail.com <mailto:britspcars at gmail.com> >
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting top rear

 

My previous post a few months ago on this failed to trigger a response - as we're now about to hang the finished front fenders, I'm hoping someone has a suggestion ...

 

The car in question is a 1954 TR2 long-door and the question is how the rear bolt fastening the fender to the scuttle is inserted/tightened?  There are two mounting points along the scuttle.  Both use ? inch UNF bolts that screw into captive nuts in the fender.  The front one is obvious as there is a hole in the scuttle accessible from the footwell.  No access for the rear bolt.  While it could be loosely screwed into the captive nut and slid into the mounting point on the scuttle which is open on the bottom, how is it tightened?

 

Surely someone has experienced this? 

 

As always, any been-there-done-that thoughts would be muchly appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Brian

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 10:44:10 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:44:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGwd4J_T-9uoTHMTya+7OCJ5Mn3+DfJfe3xfCo=9DOBUw@mail.gmail.com>

I need a bolt HB815 which is at 5/16 x 1 7/8" long.
Rimmer and TRF list this no. under a 2 inch bolt. I'm assuming you can't
get 1 /78" long bolt anymore. I tried fastenal and Bolt Depot. Not tried
mcMaster carr.
The last time I needed one of these I bought a 2" bolt and cut a bit of the
end.
I'm just wondering when a blind hole is drilled for a bolt, how much dead
space is left at the end? Is there some rule of thumb?

Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Apr  7 11:28:30 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:28:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs
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John Deere specifies a 5/16 x 2 1/8? bolt to hold rake teeth on their older hay rakes ? a very low tech application. I always think ? why? I use 2 ?? long bolts and it works fine. As far as a blind hole goes, you could always run a bottoming tap in there to make sure you have a full thread to the end. Make sure the hole is clean with no oil taking up the space ? that can cause the bolt to ?bottom out? before it really does.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 12:44 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs

 

I need a bolt HB815 which is at 5/16 x 1 7/8" long. 

Rimmer and TRF list this no. under a 2 inch bolt. I'm assuming you can't get 1 /78" long bolt anymore. I tried fastenal and Bolt Depot. Not tried mcMaster carr. 

The last time I needed one of these I bought a 2" bolt and cut a bit of the end.

I'm just wondering when a blind hole is drilled for a bolt, how much dead space is left at the end? Is there some rule of thumb?

 

Sujit


 

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Cupertino, California


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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  7 14:13:02 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 15:13:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs
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Sujit,

Not sure what threads you are looking for, McMaster-Carr sells a 5/16?x1-7/8? bolt in SS or Grade 5.  But I think you?re on the right track, cut an 1/8? off the end and move on.

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 11:44 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs

 

I need a bolt HB815 which is at 5/16 x 1 7/8" long. 

Rimmer and TRF list this no. under a 2 inch bolt. I'm assuming you can't get 1 /78" long bolt anymore. I tried fastenal and Bolt Depot. Not tried mcMaster carr. 

The last time I needed one of these I bought a 2" bolt and cut a bit of the end.

I'm just wondering when a blind hole is drilled for a bolt, how much dead space is left at the end? Is there some rule of thumb?

 

Sujit


 

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Apr  7 15:23:50 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:23:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB146137BFD4030B37E8D5561FFA759@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
- I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much.
 - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

Cliff

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Apr  7 15:31:01 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:31:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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Can you get shorter push rods to make up for the thinner head?

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cliff
Hansen
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2021 5:24 PM
To: list Triumph
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head

 

The telenovela "What's going on with this 4A cylinder head" has developed a
new plot twist.

 

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21" from bottom to the surface for the
valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO
cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010" was removed in this round of clean up. Now
I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I've dealt with over the
last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near
intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots - I'm
getting this from Kastner's preparation book), which I had thought was due
to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

 

As is, I can't use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve
train to give 0.010" clearance on several valves. I didn't notice before,
but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out
all the way.

 

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this
head?

- I'd prefer to reduce compression but don't see any reasonable way to
accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from
getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I'd be better off finding
a head which had not been milled so much. 

 - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid
which certainly won't address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a
result of the shortened head).

 

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

 

Cliff

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Apr  7 15:39:30 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:39:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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 I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.? But the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.? BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head

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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Apr  7 16:22:58 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:22:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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Hi Cliff,
A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to increase compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate ?hot spots?. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter. Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly related to how much material is removed from the head so just buying shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think you should figure out how much material was removed from the ?stock? head and shorten the pushrods accordingly. 
I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do some homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.  BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
> To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
> Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
> 
> The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.
>  
> The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.
>  
> As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.
>  
> Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
> - I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much.
>  - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).
>  
> Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
>  
> Cliff
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Apr  7 16:39:16 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:39:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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If you want to save the head you may be able to lower the compression ratio
a bit by reshaping the combustion chamber.  This is theoretically, I don't
know how much can be removed, Kastner book would be a starting point, but
you would probably want to take out more than that, measure combustion
chamber size, etc.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 5:23 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> Hi Cliff,
> A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to increase
> compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition preparation manual, he
> goes into much detail about how to reshape the combustion chambers in the
> head to reduce/eliminate ?hot spots?. This may be the cause of your
> pre-ignition. Yoy may want to get that book and read over his cylinder head
> chapter. Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly
> related to how much material is removed from the head so just buying
> shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think you should
> figure out how much material was removed from the ?stock? head and shorten
> the pushrods accordingly.
> I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do some
> homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find a good
> automotive machinist for the pushrods.
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But the right
> way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.  BPNW sells short rods
> for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the
> wet-sleeve engine.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
> To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
> Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
>
> The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed
> a new plot twist.
>
> The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the
> valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO
> cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up.
> Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with
> over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high,
> material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot
> spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had
> thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher
> altitude.
>
> As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the
> valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice
> before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly
> backed out all the way.
>
> Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this
> head?
> - I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to
> accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from
> getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off
> finding a head which had not been milled so much.
>  - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a
> bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the
> pinging is a result of the shortened head).
>
> Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
>
> Cliff
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr  7 16:50:57 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:50:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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TSI can make any length you want.

From: DAVID MASSEY 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 5:39 PM
To: cliff_hansen at outlook.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Advice on high compression head

I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.  BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.


Dave 




-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
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Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head


The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
- I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much. 
- Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

Cliff

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Apr  7 17:05:02 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 23:05:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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Cliff:

I agree with Dave. A first step, however, would be to check the volume of the combustion chambers to see what your compression ratio actually is, using the formula CR = (swept volume + chamber volume)/chamber volume. This will give you an idea of whether you can reduce the CR to a more reasonable number by removing material, strategically, per Kas?s book, from the combustion chambers. While you?re doing this you can even match the intake manifold to the inlet ports and do a little cleaning  of the inlet tracts. I have done this work, albeit on an MG head, and it can be accomplished with simple tools - a small grinder preferably. Just double check your math at every step.

You can measure the chamber volume using a burette, using light oil as the liquid. In order to minimize the effects of the meniscus, you can drill a hole in a square of plexiglas (maybe 3/8? diameter), place the plexiglas over the combustion chamber, then fill the chamber from the burette, through the drilled hole in the plexiglas, noting the volume of liquid required to fill to the bottom of the hole. You can then compare the four chamber volumes to see how much you need to remove from each to get the desired CR.

It?s a fun and very satisfying process and you will have lemonade at the end, instead of lemons. ?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2021, at 17:23, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

? Hi Cliff,
A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to increase compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate ?hot spots?. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter. Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly related to how much material is removed from the head so just buying shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think you should figure out how much material was removed from the ?stock? head and shorten the pushrods accordingly.
I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do some homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

?
I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.  BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.

Dave



-----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
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Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head

The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
- I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much.
 - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

Cliff

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 17:09:57 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 16:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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Greg made an excellent suggestion.  You can relieve or bevel the edge next to the squish area a lot, if it isn't already.  Basically back to the factory shape before the milling and then some.  
I took .125" off my head for racing and got around 10.8 compression after chamber work, and my car will run on 91 pump gas after retarding the timing 2 degrees.  I mix pump gas and race fuel 50:50 when on track.  I keep race gas at home and a gallon or two mixed with pump gas settles any concern about detonation with no retarding of the timing for street.
You can see my head work on my restoration and race car build Youtube video, starting around 7:50 in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-cSGzyKXs&t=3s
Dave H. 

>     On 04/07/2021 3:39 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     If you want to save the head you may be able to lower the compression ratio a bit by reshaping the combustion chamber.  This is theoretically, I don't know how much can be removed, Kastner book would be a starting point, but you would probably want to take out more than that, measure combustion chamber size, etc.
> 
>     On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 5:23 PM Dave Connitt < dconnitt at fuse.net mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net > wrote:
> 
>         > >         Hi Cliff,
> >         A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to increase compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate ?hot spots?. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter. Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly related to how much material is removed from the head so just buying shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think you should figure out how much material was removed from the ?stock? head and shorten the pushrods accordingly. 
> >         I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do some homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
> >         Dave Connitt 
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY < dave1massey at cs.com mailto:dave1massey at cs.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >             > > >             I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.  But the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.  BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
> > >              
> > >             Dave
> > > 
> > >              
> > >              
> > >             -----Original Message-----
> > >             From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com >
> > >             To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net >
> > >             Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
> > >             Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
> > > 
> > >             The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.
> > >              
> > >             The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.
> > >              
> > >             As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.
> > >              
> > >             Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
> > >             - I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much.
> > >              - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).
> > >              
> > >             Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
> > >              
> > >             Cliff
> > >              
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Apr  7 17:24:12 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:24:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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On 4/7/2021 4:39 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> If you want to save the head you may be able to lower the compression 
> ratio a bit by reshaping the combustion chamber.? This is 
> theoretically, I don't know how much can be removed, Kastner book 
> would be a starting point, but you would probably want to take out 
> more than that, measure combustion chamber size, etc.
>
> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 5:23 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net 
> <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Cliff,
>     A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to
>     increase compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition
>     preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape
>     the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate ?hot
>     spots?. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want
>     to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter.
>     Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly
>     related to how much material is removed from the head so just
>     buying shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think
>     you should figure out how much material was removed from the
>     ?stock? head and shorten the pushrods accordingly.
>     I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do
>     some homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find
>     a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
>     Dave Connitt
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>>     On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com
>>     <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     ?
>>     I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.? But the
>>     right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods. BPNW
>>     sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time they
>>     didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com
>>     <mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>>
>>     To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net
>>     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>     Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
>>     Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
>>
>>     The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has
>>     developed a new plot twist.
>>     The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the
>>     surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the
>>     number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was
>>     removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation
>>     for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few
>>     years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near
>>     intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot
>>     spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which
>>     I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or
>>     operating at higher altitude.
>>     As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in
>>     the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I
>>     didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve
>>     adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.
>>     Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to
>>     use this head?
>>     - I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable
>>     way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently
>>     discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying
>>     instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been
>>     milled so much.
>>     ?- Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels
>>     like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging
>>     (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).
>>     Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
>>     Cliff
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Apr  7 17:28:58 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 19:28:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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Cliff

Here is my experience with a milled TR4A head. After a couple of millings of the head I ended up somewhere around .110 off the head. I had 2 Head Gasket failures one caused by me using the wrong ?modern? head gasket from Cometic and the second because I failed to re-torque the head using an original Payen AE 330 head gasket. However I never had pinging issues using the current 93 octane premium fuel. The key here is to limit the amount of total timing advance to match the available fuel. I have a friend who had a similar amount milled from his head and didn?t have any head gasket issues with the Cometic modern gasket. He drove his car much more aggressively than me as well. Can?t explain why.
It?s also very important that whichever gasket you use, the gasket does not protrude into the combustion chamber.  It turned out the Cometic I used did and that?s where it failed.

>From previous email with you I learned you are using the copper reproduction Payen 330 head gasket with 86mm liners. In my case I had 87mm liners. That should work but be certain to re-torque the head after a few heat cycles. (I?ve done that now with the latest install and so far all is good) I must also say I have replaced the .110 head with one milled only .075 and don?t really notice much power loss over the .110 head. It?s noted that the Kastner Comp manual only recommends .090 for a street engine. I changed heads because most summers I, along with several friends take long trips covering several thousand miles and I didn?t want a head gasket failure miles from home. However; I do carry a spare head gasket and the tools to change it with me. Good insurance as no failures now after close to 6000 miles. Previous to me messing with that original milled head at .090 I drove the car for 30+ years and many thousands of miles without a failure using a Payen AE330 head gasket.

You can make that head work but retard the timing (I run 28 degrees total advance) you may need to back it off to less than 28 degrees. Re-torque the head more than once.

As for the push rod / valve adjustment issue. Call Ted at TSI and have him make a set of pushrods shortened by the amount removed from the head and you?ll have your adjustment issues solved.

Hope this helps.

JVV

From: Cliff Hansen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 5:23 PM
To: list Triumph 
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head

The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.

 

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

 

As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.

 

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?

- I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much. 

- Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).

 

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

 

Cliff

 

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Apr  7 18:35:41 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 20:35:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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ditto. Validate the issue with minimal work

ptegler

On 4/7/2021 7:24 PM, David P wrote:
>
> Have a thick gasket made.. Lubbock Gasket and Supply 806-763 2801
>
> On 4/7/2021 4:39 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>> If you want to save the head you may be able to lower the compression 
>> ratio a bit by reshaping the combustion chamber.? This is 
>> theoretically, I don't know how much can be removed, Kastner book 
>> would be a starting point, but you would probably want to take out 
>> more than that, measure combustion chamber size, etc.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 7, 2021, 5:23 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net 
>> <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Cliff,
>>     A lot of racers have milled the heads of wet liner engines to
>>     increase compression. In Kas Kastner?s TR4/TR4A competition
>>     preparation manual, he goes into much detail about how to reshape
>>     the combustion chambers in the head to reduce/eliminate ?hot
>>     spots?. This may be the cause of your pre-ignition. Yoy may want
>>     to get that book and read over his cylinder head chapter.
>>     Regarding the push rod length, the length reduction is directly
>>     related to how much material is removed from the head so just
>>     buying shortened pushrods won?t get you the best results. I think
>>     you should figure out how much material was removed from the
>>     ?stock? head and shorten the pushrods accordingly.
>>     I think you can certainly save the head but you will need to do
>>     some homework reading over Kas?s competition prep manual and find
>>     a good automotive machinist for the pushrods.
>>     Dave Connitt
>>
>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>     On Apr 7, 2021, at 5:41 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com
>>>     <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ?
>>>     I went the band-aid route on my TR3 for the same reason.? But
>>>     the right way is to get a machinist to shorten the pushrods.?
>>>     BPNW sells short rods for the TR6/SC engine but at that time
>>>     they didn't have any for the wet-sleeve engine.
>>>
>>>     Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -----Original Message-----
>>>     From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com
>>>     <mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>>
>>>     To: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net
>>>     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>>     Sent: Wed, Apr 7, 2021 4:23 pm
>>>     Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
>>>
>>>     The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has
>>>     developed a new plot twist.
>>>     The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the
>>>     surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the
>>>     number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was
>>>     removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation
>>>     for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few
>>>     years (head has been milled so compression is high, material
>>>     near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of
>>>     hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book),
>>>     which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or
>>>     operating at higher altitude.
>>>     As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack
>>>     in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I
>>>     didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve
>>>     adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.
>>>     Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to
>>>     use this head?
>>>     - I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable
>>>     way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently
>>>     discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying
>>>     instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been
>>>     milled so much.
>>>     ?- Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels
>>>     like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging
>>>     (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).
>>>     Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.
>>>     Cliff
>>>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Apr  7 18:47:13 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 17:47:13 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR head work
Message-ID: <F18752D4-72B0-4109-9046-9021D99519A4@comcast.net>

This is stapled on the wall in my garage. It is copied from David Vizard?s book on BMC mods. 
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Apr  7 21:14:33 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 03:14:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
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I appreciate all the advice. This is why I have subscribed to this list for 24 years.

I had measured the head height on the car and that figure was not accurate, or my eyeball didn?t read the scale correctly.

Off the car now and on the bench the head measures 3.180? which means it has had 0.150? cut away.  This is the limit which Kastner describes. The chambers have had some radiusing, not as much as is described in Kastner?s book.

Since I?m not building a race car, and prioritize reliability over performance, I think I will look for a different head.

If anyone knows someone looking for a usable head for a race car, perhaps I have what they need.

Oh, and the pushrods are 257mm in length, which is the shorter set sold by Revington TR (stock is 260mm).

Cliff


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From: Cliff Hansen<mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 3:24 PM
To: list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head

The telenovela ?What?s going on with this 4A cylinder head? has developed a new plot twist.

The head, after cleanup, measures 3.21? from bottom to the surface for the valve cover gasket. Stock is 3.330 (if I got the number correctly). Some PO cut 0.11 off, because only 0.010? was removed in this round of clean up. Now I can see an explanation for the persistent pinging I?ve dealt with over the last few years (head has been milled so compression is high, material near intake valves has been thinned, increasing likelihood of hot spots ? I?m getting this from Kastner?s preparation book), which I had thought was due to leaking intakes, carb shafts, or operating at higher altitude.

As is, I can?t use this head because there is not enough slack in the valve train to give 0.010? clearance on several valves. I didn?t notice before, but now that I am looking, all the valve adjusters were nearly backed out all the way.

Looking for advice from the list: is there any reasonable way to use this head?
- I?d prefer to reduce compression but don?t see any reasonable way to accomplish that. I called GasketWorks and he gently discouraged me from getting a custom thick head gasket, saying instead I?d be better off finding a head which had not been milled so much.
 - Shimming the rocker pedestals to get valve clearance feels like a bandaid which certainly won?t address the pinging (assuming that the pinging is a result of the shortened head).

Would appreciate any advice on the way forward.

Cliff

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From hoytduff at gmail.com  Thu Apr  8 06:15:16 2021
From: hoytduff at gmail.com (Hoyt Duff)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:15:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR head work
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Is this applicable to TR3 heads as well?

On 4/7/21, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> This is stapled on the wall in my garage. It is copied from David Vizard?s
> book on BMC mods.
> Dave H.
>
>


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  8 10:25:58 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 16:25:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] bolt lengths used on Triumphs
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 insert a piece of wire till it bottoms out.pinch, remove and measure.Frank
    On Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 09:58:02 AM PDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I need a bolt HB815 which is at 5/16 x 1 7/8" long.?Rimmer and TRF list this no. under a 2 inch bolt. I'm assuming?you can't get 1 /78" long bolt anymore. I tried fastenal and Bolt Depot. Not tried mcMaster carr.?The last time I needed one of these I bought a 2" bolt and cut a bit of the end.I'm just?wondering when a blind hole is drilled?for a bolt, how much dead space is left at the end? Is there some rule of thumb?
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  8 10:52:18 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 11:52:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR head work
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Yes, same basic motor, block n head. 
Bill

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On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:

?Is this applicable to TR3 heads as well?

On 4/7/21, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> This is stapled on the wall in my garage. It is copied from David Vizard?s
> book on BMC mods.
> Dave H.
> 
> 


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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Apr  8 11:33:01 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR head work
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Message-ID: <819143837.190524.1617903181692@connect.xfinity.com>

Yes indeed.  If you zoom in and read the text in the photo, it says 3 through 4A. 
Dave H. 

> On 04/08/2021 9:52 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Yes, same basic motor, block n head. 
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Is this applicable to TR3 heads as well?
> 
> On 4/7/21, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> > This is stapled on the wall in my garage. It is copied from David Vizard?s
> > book on BMC mods.
> > Dave H.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> -- 
> Hoyt
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Thu Apr  8 12:05:02 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:05:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR head work
In-Reply-To: <819143837.190524.1617903181692@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <CAMp=J_qaR7J7UefJ=AS3vcTc2fEJQ3_9EO4V4gkpU_9wjCt_-A@mail.gmail.com>
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 <819143837.190524.1617903181692@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB1461497B030FD2D5421AF99CFA749@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Kastner?s book has some cautions that modification details depend on the type of head, which I?m not competent to summarize. There are low port and high port heads, and variations on the high port heads.  Triumph TR2-3B FAQ _ Triumph heads (tr3a.info)<http://www.tr3a.info/FAQ_heads.htm>

Cliff


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Dave Hogye<mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 11:34 AM
To: bill beecher<mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>; Hoyt Duff<mailto:hoytduff at gmail.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR head work

Yes indeed.  If you zoom in and read the text in the photo, it says 3 through 4A.
Dave H.

> On 04/08/2021 9:52 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes, same basic motor, block n head.
> Bill
>
> #dontkillgrandma
>
> On Apr 8, 2021, at 7:15 AM, Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Is this applicable to TR3 heads as well?
>
> On 4/7/21, Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> > This is stapled on the wall in my garage. It is copied from David Vizard?s
> > book on BMC mods.
> > Dave H.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> --
> Hoyt
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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Thu Apr  8 12:56:10 2021
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 18:56:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Milled head
References: <1924830079.2591.1617908170663.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1924830079.2591.1617908170663@mail.yahoo.com>

Cliff,
After I milled my TR4A head .060", I realized a previous owner had already done the same. ?It was .120" total.Same problem with pinging and limited advance.

The solution was to install two copper head gaskets and use 93 Octane fuel.This worked great for years, until I had a chance to buy another head and go back to one head gasket.
If your pushrods are too long, consider shimming the rocker shaft under the pedestals. ?Make sure one shim has a hole for the oil entering the rear pedestal!
Try .010" first. ?Resurfacing the rocker tips would be a good idea if they are dimpled. ?Observe the rocker tips as they sweep across the valve stems through each valve's complete lift.The geometry can easily be messed up with?accellerated?wear on the guides.Don't even bother asking how I know this.

Best wishes,George?Haynes
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From lherault at verizon.net  Thu Apr  8 13:52:25 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:52:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] first ride!
References: <001601d72cb0$b352c010$19f84030$.ref@net>
Message-ID: <001601d72cb0$b352c010$19f84030$@net>

It's sunny and still almost 70F in North Attleborough, MA.  right now.   I
figured it would be a good time to put the battery in the  '73 TR-6 and go
for a ride.   It was a  bit of a shakedown cruise to see if I did anything
wrong when I put the new clutch master cylinder in.   Happy to say that all
appears well.    Instructions say to replace both master and slave at the
same time but that would have been very unpleasant on a cold dirt floor in a
cramped garage stall.  Indeed, I didn't even bleed from the clutch.  I
loosened the fitting at the nylon tube junction and pushed fluif out from
there.  I didn't get any leakage in the week it sat or when I ran it today
AFAIK.   I may leave it until a problem develops.    Am I playing with fire?
The ride was great.  Top is down.  I'm still grinning.

 

Ron L

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Apr  8 18:18:53 2021
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 17:18:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Refurbished TR3 Transmissions
Message-ID: <000001d72cd5$ed8a02a0$c89e07e0$@cox.net>

Listers,

 

As part of COVID garage cleanup, I have taken 5 broken TR3 transmissions and
spares and consolidated them into 3 refurbished gearboxes.   They were hot
tanked and built up using the best parts, new synchros, bearings, gaskets
and seals. 1 box includes a NOS laygear and lay gear set.

 

All bench tested/shifted well using a large drill to spin them up.

 

1 is an overdrive box without overdrive.  

 

1 box includes a NOS never used laygear and gear set.

 

If you are in need of one, please contact me off list.  They are available
at very reasonable prices.  Essentially the value of  a core, the new parts,
and cleanup.   

 

This was a project to save them from the landfill and clean up my shop,  not
a commercial enterprise.

 

Jonas

 

 

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Apr  8 20:46:44 2021
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 19:46:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Anybody Headed to VARA on Saturday
Message-ID: <002201d72cea$94d3d900$be7b8b00$@cox.net>

Anybody headed to VARA in Pahrump NV this weekend?

 

Jonas

 

 

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Apr  9 19:08:10 2021
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 21:08:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Advice on high compression head
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR14MB146137BFD4030B37E8D5561FFA759@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB146137BFD4030B37E8D5561FFA759@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeME_myLzFCDVQy0GqN2a7imF9aExfcK02jHt9_jMVehEg@mail.gmail.com>

Bpnw offers shorter push rods for TR6. Maybe tr4s too....
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Apr 11 06:58:08 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 06:58:08 -0600
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
Message-ID: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>

On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars 
mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet 
group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at 
the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 
different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its 
peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I 
recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary 
event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.

And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me 
behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these 
days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks 
automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, 
so to speak.? Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 
20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz 
processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network 
connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I 
remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net 
was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all.

Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can 
continue to provide a useful service for years to come.

mjb.


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Apr 11 07:29:27 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:29:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <a946b94b-1054-4357-85d7-d7e28713f2c2@verizon.net>

...having done the same for nearly 21 years (well, list, + chat + photo 
archives+..... )? congrats are due to you Mark, for retaining your 
sanity this long.?? (or is it a mark of the insanity we consider the 
norm as we age?? :-)

Congratulations and adulations. HBD? autox

ptegler


On 4/11/2021 8:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars 
> mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos 
> Usenet group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 
> lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into 
> nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals 
> subscribed at its peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game 
> in town.? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th 
> Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were 
> on the autox list.
>
> And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like 
> me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter 
> these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks 
> automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by 
> hand, so to speak.? Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 
> 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had 
> a 100 MHz processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a 
> fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good 
> old DSL.? I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, 
> and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those 
> days at all.
>
> Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can 
> continue to provide a useful service for years to come.
>
> mjb.
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 08:03:27 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:03:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aY1_8=un5TdXjM-ywq_nFLxTBSr37iAW0gsp7t5KnD8Nw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark,

I remember Team.net not looking ng after it started.  My only access was
"illegally" at work.  Didn't start on the listservs until I got my computer
in the late nineties.

Team.net was the first wave in the internet really changing the way we
accessed info about British cars.  An old friend and I still marvel at the
things we did "without blowing anything up" before you could go on a
listserv or forum and ask for advice.

If you ever still go to the SCCA solo nationals let me know, I will buy you
a beer, it is in my hometown these days.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 8:00 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.  The British-cars
> mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet
> group.  Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at
> the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70
> different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its
> peak.  For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.  As I
> recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary
> event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.
>
> And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me
> behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these
> days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks
> automatically.  Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand,
> so to speak.  Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15,
> 20 hours a week maintaining the server.  The first server had a 100 MHz
> processor.  Things have changed.  Back then just having a fast network
> connection at a residence was rare and expensive.  Good old DSL.  I
> remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net
> was off the air for 11 days straight.  I don't miss those days at all.
>
> Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.  I hope I can
> continue to provide a useful service for years to come.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 11 08:31:05 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:31:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aY1_8=un5TdXjM-ywq_nFLxTBSr37iAW0gsp7t5KnD8Nw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3aY1_8=un5TdXjM-ywq_nFLxTBSr37iAW0gsp7t5KnD8Nw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E34E483-F838-4B2E-9A3B-2505D4B70A1D@yahoo.com>

Thank you Mark, I have been on only half of those 30 but appreciate you so much for keeping us all connected.  
All the best,
Bill
Triumph
Morgan
Land Rover

PS-Time for a donation too!

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 11, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Thanks Mark,

I remember Team.net not looking ng after it started.  My only access was "illegally" at work.  Didn't start on the listservs until I got my computer in the late nineties.  

Team.net was the first wave in the internet really changing the way we accessed info about British cars.  An old friend and I still marvel at the things we did "without blowing anything up" before you could go on a listserv or forum and ask for advice.

If you ever still go to the SCCA solo nationals let me know, I will buy you a beer, it is in my hometown these days.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Apr 11, 2021, 8:00 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.  The British-cars 
> mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet 
> group.  Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at 
> the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 
> different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its 
> peak.  For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.  As I 
> recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary 
> event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.
> 
> And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me 
> behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these 
> days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks 
> automatically.  Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, 
> so to speak.  Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 
> 20 hours a week maintaining the server.  The first server had a 100 MHz
> processor.  Things have changed.  Back then just having a fast network 
> connection at a residence was rare and expensive.  Good old DSL.  I 
> remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net 
> was off the air for 11 days straight.  I don't miss those days at all.
> 
> Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.  I hope I can 
> continue to provide a useful service for years to come.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Apr 11 08:59:50 2021
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:59:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] cions of ucas
In-Reply-To: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4529f86a-0c8c-885a-d2c9-85f5c9eba9f6@gmail.com>

On 4/11/21 5:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.?? The British-cars 
> mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos 
> Usenet group.?? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 
> lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into 
> nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals 
> subscribed at its peak.?? For a while it was pretty much the only game 
> in town.?? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 
> 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants 
> were on the autox list. 


As I recall, Dale Cook of Apollo Computers & MGB owner started the 
original British car mail list in 1987. He started by sending emails to 
those of us who were posting on rec.autos and asking us if we wanted to 
join the email list he was creating. Soon to be named SOL, standing for 
Scions of Lucas. The history of the group from its earliest email list 
roots goes back about 34 years, about 4 years before team.net

TeriAnn

-- 

Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and 
Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sun Apr 11 10:57:47 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:57:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <F811F48D-23CD-4840-9D7C-F7DD412718F6@albiontechnical.com>

And it still has a place in our digital world, despite the incursions of social networks. Thanks for all you do Mark, and I wish you a long and healthy life!?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2021, at 08:00, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On this day 30 years ago https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Team.Net&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=s77F5SZscOBWGw7kcvgIumG-cteWYnXLkDtz2-aHT_E&e= came into being.  The British-cars mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rec.autos&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=VciQ7XGpxqrQv5ROFuIycPvNlEOIgyT00aLPBw4ZO7E&e= Usenet group.  Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Team.net&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=XdkGO3iYvi_IOMk9PO-6l6qZU3GGznTjT8tW2-S1pHY&e= went from 2 lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its peak.  For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.  As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.
> 
> And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks automatically.  Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, so to speak.  Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.  The first server had a 100 MHz processor.  Things have changed.  Back then just having a fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.  Good old DSL.  I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.  I don't miss those days at all.
> 
> Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.  I hope I can continue to provide a useful service for years to come.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
> <team_net.png>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Apr 11 11:33:23 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 18:33:23 +0100
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <F811F48D-23CD-4840-9D7C-F7DD412718F6@albiontechnical.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
 <F811F48D-23CD-4840-9D7C-F7DD412718F6@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <E3587FF9-0FA3-473A-8732-A0C96BE559F1@Ukpips.org.uk>

A big thank you from me too, Mark. It was about 1996 when I first joined with my first computer at home and with a painfully slow dial up connection. It was a great joy (and still is) to be able to read about people?s experiences with the cars and the company I came to know so well so many years ago. My preferred Triumphs weren?t popular in North America over the years but it?s been a periodic privilege to occasionally impart my own memories of how things were when I?ve noticed occasional blips that have become lore - and have attempted to rectify misconceptions. I?ve been Standard and Triumph-less for a long time now but this list has often enabled me to meet many owners who have visited the U.K. and I particularly remember a very happy weekend spent with the late (and much missed) Fred Thomas who was fascinated at my techniques of using overdrive when travelling quite fast on our relatively narrow and serpentine British roads.
Well done for keeping us all together over so many years and for my part, a very big Thank You for your Herculean efforts in keeping everything together for our collective benefit and interest.
I still never cease to be amazed that so many of the cars I remember with such fondness are still going because they were never ever designed to last as long as they have. In fact, one of many conversations I had with Harry Webster (ST?s Engineering Director) some years before died, revealed he was just as surprised himself.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 11 Apr 2021, at 17:57, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> 
> And it still has a place in our digital world, despite the incursions of social networks. Thanks for all you do Mark, and I wish you a long and healthy life!?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2021, at 08:00, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?On this day 30 years ago https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Team.Net&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=s77F5SZscOBWGw7kcvgIumG-cteWYnXLkDtz2-aHT_E&e= came into being.  The British-cars mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__rec.autos&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=VciQ7XGpxqrQv5ROFuIycPvNlEOIgyT00aLPBw4ZO7E&e= Usenet group.  Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Team.net&d=DwIDaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=XdkGO3iYvi_IOMk9PO-6l6qZU3GGznTjT8tW2-S1pHY&e= went from 2 lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its peak.  For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.  As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.
>> 
>> And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks automatically.  Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, so to speak.  Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 20 hours a week maintaining the server.  The first server had a 100 MHz processor.  Things have changed.  Back then just having a fast network connection at a residence was rare and expensive.  Good old DSL.  I remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net was off the air for 11 days straight.  I don't miss those days at all.
>> 
>> Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.  I hope I can continue to provide a useful service for years to come.
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
>> <team_net.png>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
>> Donate: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_donate.html&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=kycCQUVeRi1d81i7HdmvLXlE7RWwdA5Us5Js_xjkIBk&e=
>> Archive: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_pipermail_triumphs&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=KZNmPP40NPH_f3XwpQ1XlWsQT_0Z-HobSywFAx3VClg&e=  https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.team.net_archive&d=DwICAg&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=DmrhLEJlDu90RAvR6tldBQN_6yWgp8VPEhzRgJDqLTc&s=lpsh74vj66hIa64sJDS8E2VZL0wvF6gWwqHDCnI_aZo&e=
>> 
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> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Apr 11 15:07:21 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:07:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <461842454.467770.1618175241870@mail.yahoo.com>

 I don't remember exactly when I joined but I remember in the mid to late 1990's when I did a lot of traveling.? I would drag out my AT laptop, serial mouse and external dial-up modem.? I would call the number to get a local dial-up line, enter that in and log on.? Then I would down load the digest and log off.? I would read the digest off-line and sometimes I would write up a response in a word processor document, log back on and paste the response to the list.? Compared to how easy it is today it was a lot of work but it was well worth it.? And I'm sure it was nothing compared to what you did to keep the list on line.? 

Many, many thanks.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2021 7:58 am
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.

On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars 
mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet 
group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at 
the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 
different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its 
peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I 
recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary 
event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.

And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me 
behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these 
days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks 
automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, 
so to speak.? Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 
20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz 
processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network 
connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I 
remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net 
was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all.

Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can 
continue to provide a useful service for years to come.

mjb.


** triumphs at autox.team.net **

Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From momulle at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 11 15:20:42 2021
From: momulle at yahoo.com (michael muller)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:20:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 30 years. 3 decades.
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1618164002.15785.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1618164002.15785.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <754257677.476348.1618176042670@mail.yahoo.com>

A massive Thank You to Mark and all those that work behind the scenes to make this happen.? And a second massive Thank You to the many contributors who make it what it is.
I confess to being more of a reader than contributor while I wait for my car (a story for another day).? However I look forward to being more active once I get back to "wrenching".
In the meanwhile, I raise a glass in "cheers" to the community.? Happy Birthday!
Thanks,
Mike Mullerhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelolivermuller/ 

    On Sunday, April 11, 2021, 02:10:13 PM EDT, triumphs-request at autox.team.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  
On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.? The British-cars 
mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos Usenet 
group.? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 lists at 
the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into nearly 70 
different lists with something like 15,000 individuals subscribed at its 
peak.? For a while it was pretty much the only game in town.? As I 
recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II Nationals 25th Anniversary 
event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ entrants were on the autox list.

And it amazes me that with such a scatterbrained procrastinator like me 
behind the curtain it is still on the air. It is a lot quieter these 
days, much better software handle many of the janitorial tasks 
automatically.? Back in the beginning, I had to do *everything* by hand, 
so to speak.? Subscribes, unsubscribes, errors, I was spending 10, 15, 
20 hours a week maintaining the server.? The first server had a 100 MHz 
processor.? Things have changed.? Back then just having a fast network 
connection at a residence was rare and expensive.? Good old DSL.? I 
remember that time when my service provider went belly up, and team net 
was off the air for 11 days straight.? I don't miss those days at all.

Anyway, happy birthday to those of you still here.? I hope I can 
continue to provide a useful service for years to come.

mjb.

  
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Apr 11 18:15:37 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:15:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] cions of ucas
In-Reply-To: <4529f86a-0c8c-885a-d2c9-85f5c9eba9f6@gmail.com>
References: <9a8ba4a8-4347-152d-4456-5437198c78d9@bradakis.com>
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Message-ID: <3ea0298d-c97e-d01c-4859-c87784746fd9@verizon.net>

...can't even remember anymore which year it was... having Ted 
Schumacher introduce us to Dale street side downtown during the race car 
parade at Watkins Glen.... holy cr___ that was years back

ptegler


On 4/11/2021 10:59 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 4/11/21 5:58 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>> On this day 30 years ago Team.Net came into being.?? The British-cars 
>> mailing list was already going strong, an offshoot from rec.autos 
>> Usenet group.?? Dale Cook, Jim Muller, then me. Team.net went from 2 
>> lists at the beginning, autox and british-cars, and exploded into 
>> nearly 70 different lists with something like 15,000 individuals 
>> subscribed at its peak.?? For a while it was pretty much the only 
>> game in town.?? As I recall, when I attended the SCCA Solo II 
>> Nationals 25th Anniversary event, something like 2/3rds of the 1,000+ 
>> entrants were on the autox list. 
>
>
> As I recall, Dale Cook of Apollo Computers & MGB owner started the 
> original British car mail list in 1987. He started by sending emails 
> to those of us who were posting on rec.autos and asking us if we 
> wanted to join the email list he was creating. Soon to be named SOL, 
> standing for Scions of Lucas. The history of the group from its 
> earliest email list roots goes back about 34 years, about 4 years 
> before team.net
>
> TeriAnn
>
> -- 
>
> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and 
> Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write
>
> *Because the world beckons and life waits for no one*
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Apr 12 07:42:56 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 07:42:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] Kas
Message-ID: <a149ed05-4c04-ede6-237a-b82fe92e60b1@bradakis.com>

It isn't really a surprise, but still it was very sad to hear of his 
passing.

He actually lived in Salt Lake for a while, and many times when I was 
chatting with him at Kastner Cup events he would tell stories about his 
days here.

There was this bar in town called the Dead Goat Saloon.? It was a great 
place, and brought in many blues bands, heard some great music there.? 
The owner was John Paul Brophy.? And it never occurred to me but one day 
Kas asked me about John Paul, and I found out he was the son of the 
Brophy part of Kastner Brophy racing.? Small world.

mjb.



From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Apr 12 14:16:40 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:16:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Kas
In-Reply-To: <a149ed05-4c04-ede6-237a-b82fe92e60b1@bradakis.com>
References: <a149ed05-4c04-ede6-237a-b82fe92e60b1@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <829d7820-26ae-107e-e5df-dcd3d2fcf6f1@verizon.net>

bummer.? GREAT chatting with him. (our gang)

He was impressed enough with FIS6 that he signed the underside of the 
bonnet back in 2012 at Road Atlanta.
As he reached over to shake my hand...he mummers? 'don't leave the keys 
in it"? and smiled.

I cracked up and of course thats' when the mag photogs snapped the pic!

ptegler



On 4/12/2021 9:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> It isn't really a surprise, but still it was very sad to hear of his 
> passing.
>
> He actually lived in Salt Lake for a while, and many times when I was 
> chatting with him at Kastner Cup events he would tell stories about 
> his days here.
>
> There was this bar in town called the Dead Goat Saloon.? It was a 
> great place, and brought in many blues bands, heard some great music 
> there.? The owner was John Paul Brophy.? And it never occurred to me 
> but one day Kas asked me about John Paul, and I found out he was the 
> son of the Brophy part of Kastner Brophy racing.? Small world.
>
> mjb.
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs 
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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Apr 13 16:51:45 2021
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:51:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] My TR4 Carb Overhaul or: 52 yrs / 5 Decades of Triumphing
Message-ID: <mailman.53.1618354322.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

A little background: for those who don't recall my Full Restoration posts 1997-2000. Original CD carbs. Serviced, Rebuilt many many times.?6 yrs ago had fuel pump problem ln club night drive in Catoctin Mts. Blessed to have made it to Motel in Frederick MD. Next day cleaned fuel pump but found very weak diaphram. Made it home in 6 sequences. Bought new fuel pump TRF. Had fitting issues ( previously discussed). Decided to convert to elec pump.? Made blanking plate. Positioned pump on frame rail. Drained tank. Fresh 3 gal. Same Glass fuel filter? as I put on my 62 Buick Skylark 215 Alum V8. (Original engine in orig car vs Rover/ Land Rover in an MGB or whatever).This was last fall. Put in pump I have had. In fact Two pumps were bad. Finally got pump that delivered plenty of fuel. Carbs flooding out.?Yup last rebuikd turned out to be 10 yrs ago. 20 yrs ago Joe Curto sealed? (then unobtainable) CD floats.Now end of November 20. So contacted Joe. Bought all new EVERYTJING: Gaskets, 0 rings, Jets, Floats, Diaphrams. Took carbs with me to C19 Florida. Rebuilt carbs meticulessly to specs ( as always) with friend Bill Russell (now on Satellite Beach after years of S Florida) who knew me & the TR4 well in 1970 when it was my ONLY CAR. Drove TR4 from Okla to NMexico to Calif, to Colorado, to T' and 4 trips Okla to NYC, Rome NY. Even Woodstock traffic jam. Fall 1969. This was before the E types & V12 Jags with 4 carbs. Never ever had problems tuning any Syromberg: TR4 or tge 4? CD2s on Lotus 907s ( Jensens) or V12 Jags.Back from our snowbird East Coast Florida Resorts winter escapes in March. C19 protocols gave me time to clean / prep carbs for final rebuild b4 my day with friend Bill?Last week finally installed carbs, linkages, fuel lines. Detailed everything. New Battery. Wired pump to ignition feed. Primed carbs. Confirmed good fuel delivery. NO LEAKS. Ten years ago had to used RTV to seal mixture control knob 0 rings that didn't (seal). This time I inspected the orifice in the fuel bowl carefully and used dremel tool & emory paper to super smooth the fuel bowl orifice.Set Mixtures at 2 turns out. My notes usually confirmed that 2- 2.5 turns out usually give the perfect idle. Turned on ignition, Pulled the choke out full. Pressed the wonderful original stock Solenoid starter button and?VARROOM- Instant start.? Let engine Warm up some, began to remove choke. And this is where- my never seen in 52 yrs problem started.?The engine leans out immediately with butterfly opening action. The pistons begin to rise as they should - BUT- Immediately backfire, popping in muffler, etc.?Enriched mixture another 1/2 turn. Just slightly better. Can rev engine quickly to 3000rpm but no more. Still backfires & dies.Engine eas hard starting like flooded. Finally got it running with starter fluid.At 2.5 turns out engine will stay running 8 mins. But still leans outand won't accelerate normally. But started to rain hard and had to close Garage/ workshop doors. British perfume very strong.Reset Mixtures at 3 turns out. Will try again.I just don't ever remember mixture being such an issue nor 3 or 4 turns out. Pistons move in housing smoothly & diaphrams, like everything else is brand new.Maybe should add couple gallons fresh gas too.To be Continued. Just wanted to share my Progress, and current diagnosis.? Do have a colortune, but not there yet to fine tune.?Recently helped a TR6 owner friend with CD2 tune. Found throttle shaft worn. Multiple vacuum leaks. Got the idle down to 600 cold and 1200 hot from 2200 after his engine swap.CDs have none of that emissions crap of the CD2s. Just a choke bar.BTW Jaguar gave a spec for closed butterfly opening to be .002 Need to fine? balance the 2 carbs onxe I get the engine to accelerate withoit leaning out. Just for Tech: My needles are centered and did not appear to be damaged in anyway.?Will keep playing till the Triumph - TRIUMPHS!!!ShermanSherman D Taffel65 TR4CT50054L (per VTR- last known TR4 brought to USColumbia, MD 21045410-302-3930(List member since mid 90s)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable ? DUMBphone
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:19:32 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:19:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
Message-ID: <073601d7324d$cad02c30$60708490$@gmail.com>

List:
I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.  

Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.  

Thanks,
Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
Ocala FL




From greg at gelhar.com  Thu Apr 15 17:37:58 2021
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:37:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to open the
fuel/ air passages?

Greg G
Osseo, MN

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner

List:
I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.  

Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.  

Thanks,
Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
Ocala FL



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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 17:50:41 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:50:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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Yes.  I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate this list   Jim 

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to open the
> fuel/ air passages?
> 
> Greg G
> Osseo, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> 
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
> to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
> arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
> right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
> rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
> him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
> the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
> on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.  
> 
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
> points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
> sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 
> 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 15 19:31:56 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:31:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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How long had the car been sitting?  Might consider debris in the fuel line. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 15, 2021, at 6:57 PM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

?Yes.  I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate this list   Jim 

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to open the
> fuel/ air passages?
> 
> Greg G
> Osseo, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> 
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
> to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
> arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
> right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
> rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
> him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
> the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
> on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.  
> 
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
> points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
> sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 
> 
> 
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Apr 16 05:40:04 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 07:40:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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Jim,

12.2 seems a bit low to me.? My fully charged optima shows 13.2. And 
11.2 at the coil is low. There might be oxidation in the switch. If you 
dont see a strong spark try replacing the coil. Check the points and 
gap. With the ignition on and the points closed you should hear/see a 
spark when the points are opened manually.

The fact that it wont fire does sound electrical to me.

The last time my 3 stopped turned out to be a loose connection to the 
coil. All I did was pull both terminals and re-attach and I was on my way.

Good luck.

Bob

On 4/15/21 7:19 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
> to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
> arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
> right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
> rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
> him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
> the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
> on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.
>
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
> points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
> sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
>
>
>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 16 06:07:03 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:07:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we were about 2 miles from home.  As we trudged our way home I explained that this was part of the fun of owning a TR.  I'm not sure she was convinced.......

Hopefully your neighbor  isn't too upset.

Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Henningsen
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
To: Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

Yes.  I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate this list   Jim 

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to 
> open the fuel/ air passages?
> 
> Greg G
> Osseo, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim 
> Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> 
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  
> Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  
> Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. 
> Luckily right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his 
> garage before the rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It 
> literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  
> 12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 
> normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition 
> switch on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.
> 
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig 
> into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is 
> fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 
> 
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Apr 16 06:36:58 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:36:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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 The one time I had to tow the car home was because the DPO installed the fuel level sender without a gasket but used RTV instead.? RTV is NOT gasoline tolerant.? I globule that exuded inside the take swelled up and dropped off and plugged the fuel line.? This convenient short cut by the DPO cost me several hours and quite a few dollars resulting in pulling the tank and having it cleaned a lined.
The only other running issue I had was a loose rivet on the coil terminal.
The usual diagnostic procedures are in order.? 1) verify spark.? 2) verify fuel.? Note that 12.2 volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a bit low but it should be sufficient to run the engine.? What voltage do you measure whilst cranking?? If it stays up above 8 - 9 volts you'll be fine.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: auprichard at uprichard.net
To: 'James Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Greg Gelhar' <greg at gelhar.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we were about 2 miles from home.? As we trudged our way home I explained that this was part of the fun of owning a TR.? I'm not sure she was convinced.......

Hopefully your neighbor? isn't too upset.

Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Henningsen
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
To: Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

Yes.? I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block tomorrow.? I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate this list? Jim 

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to 
> open the fuel/ air passages?
> 
> Greg G
> Osseo, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim 
> Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> 
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.? 
> Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.? 
> Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. 
> Luckily right in front of his house.? We got the car back into his 
> garage before the rain came.? Car cranks over fine just won't run.? It 
> literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.? 
> 12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.? Positive ground car.? Is 11.4 
> normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.? With ignition 
> switch on,? it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.
> 
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig 
> into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.? I don't think it is 
> fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 
> 
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 07:16:55 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 09:16:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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Thanks all for your suggestions.  Trying to help a friend while doing my work and busyness is a challenge.  I think I need to retire and just play with Triumphs.  Will try all recommendations this weekend.  Cheers

Jim Henningsen

 

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Sent: Friday, April 16, 2021 8:37 AM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; trguy75 at gmail.com; greg at gelhar.com
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

 

The one time I had to tow the car home was because the DPO installed the fuel level sender without a gasket but used RTV instead.  RTV is NOT gasoline tolerant.  I globule that exuded inside the take swelled up and dropped off and plugged the fuel line.  This convenient short cut by the DPO cost me several hours and quite a few dollars resulting in pulling the tank and having it cleaned a lined.

 

The only other running issue I had was a loose rivet on the coil terminal.

 

The usual diagnostic procedures are in order.  1) verify spark.  2) verify fuel.  Note that 12.2 volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a bit low but it should be sufficient to run the engine.  What voltage do you measure whilst cranking?  If it stays up above 8 - 9 volts you'll be fine.

 

Dave 

 

 

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From: auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> 
To: 'James Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com> >; 'Greg Gelhar' <greg at gelhar.com <mailto:greg at gelhar.com> >
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we were about 2 miles from home.  As we trudged our way home I explained that this was part of the fun of owning a TR.  I'm not sure she was convinced.......

Hopefully your neighbor  isn't too upset.

Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of James Henningsen
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
To: Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com <mailto:greg at gelhar.com> >
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner

Yes.  I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate this list  Jim 

> On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com <mailto:greg at gelhar.com> > wrote:
> 
> ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to 
> open the fuel/ air passages?
> 
> Greg G
> Osseo, MN
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Jim 
> Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
> Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> 
> List:
> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  
> Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  
> Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. 
> Luckily right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his 
> garage before the rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It 
> literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  
> 12.2 volts at the battery, but
> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 
> normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition 
> switch on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.
> 
> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig 
> into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is 
> fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 
> 
> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 07:25:16 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 08:25:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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References: <00f201d73250$60246790$206d36b0$@gelhar.com>
 <EAEC8519-0DF5-443B-93A5-F7FE77C2D0EB@gmail.com>
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  "I think I need to retire and just play with Triumphs"

Amen to that

On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 8:17 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for your suggestions.  Trying to help a friend while doing my
> work and busyness is a challenge.  I think I need to retire and just play
> with Triumphs.  Will try all recommendations this weekend.  Cheers
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
>
>
> *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 16, 2021 8:37 AM
> *To:* auprichard at uprichard.net; trguy75 at gmail.com; greg at gelhar.com
> *Cc:* Triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>
>
> The one time I had to tow the car home was because the DPO installed the
> fuel level sender without a gasket but used RTV instead.  RTV is NOT
> gasoline tolerant.  I globule that exuded inside the take swelled up and
> dropped off and plugged the fuel line.  This convenient short cut by the
> DPO cost me several hours and quite a few dollars resulting in pulling the
> tank and having it cleaned a lined.
>
>
>
> The only other running issue I had was a loose rivet on the coil terminal.
>
>
>
> The usual diagnostic procedures are in order.  1) verify spark.  2) verify
> fuel.  Note that 12.2 volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a bit low but it
> should be sufficient to run the engine.  What voltage do you measure whilst
> cranking?  If it stays up above 8 - 9 volts you'll be fine.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: auprichard at uprichard.net
> To: 'James Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Greg Gelhar' <greg at gelhar.com
> >
> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
> The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we were
> about 2 miles from home.  As we trudged our way home I explained that this
> was part of the fun of owning a TR.  I'm not sure she was convinced.......
>
> Hopefully your neighbor  isn't too upset.
>
> Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James
> Henningsen
> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
> To: Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com>
> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
> Yes.  I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against the block
> tomorrow.  I know enough to get me in trouble which is why I do appreciate
> this list  Jim
>
> > On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the slides to
> > open the fuel/ air passages?
> >
> > Greg G
> > Osseo, MN
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim
> > Henningsen
> > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
> >
> > List:
> > I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.
> > Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.
> > Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles.
> > Luckily right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his
> > garage before the rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It
> > literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.
> > 12.2 volts at the battery, but
> > 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4
> > normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch
> to coil.
> > White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition
> > switch on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the
> fuse box.
> >
> > Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig
> > into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is
> > fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
> > Ocala FL
> >
> >
> >
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Apr 16 10:17:05 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:17:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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References: <00f201d73250$60246790$206d36b0$@gelhar.com>
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Message-ID: <838fd4e3-fe7e-9b21-9795-9e9c50187a70@adelphia.net>

Work hard and save. Retire as early as you can. You never know when your 
maker will come for you.

Bob

On 4/16/21 9:25 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> ? "I think I need to retire and just play with Triumphs"
>
> Amen to that
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2021, 8:17 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Thanks all for your suggestions. Trying to help a friend while
>     doing my work and busyness is a challenge.? I think I need to
>     retire and just play with Triumphs.? Will try all recommendations
>     this weekend.? Cheers
>
>     Jim Henningsen
>
>     *From:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com>>
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 16, 2021 8:37 AM
>     *To:* auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>;
>     trguy75 at gmail.com <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>; greg at gelhar.com
>     <mailto:greg at gelhar.com>
>     *Cc:* Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     The one time I had to tow the car home was because the DPO
>     installed the fuel level sender without a gasket but used RTV
>     instead.? RTV is NOT gasoline tolerant.? I globule that exuded
>     inside the take swelled up and dropped off and plugged the fuel
>     line.? This convenient short cut by the DPO cost me several hours
>     and quite a few dollars resulting in pulling the tank and having
>     it cleaned a lined.
>
>     The only other running issue I had was a loose rivet on the coil
>     terminal.
>
>     The usual diagnostic procedures are in order.? 1) verify spark.?
>     2) verify fuel.? Note that 12.2 volts is a bit low and 11.4 is a
>     bit low but it should be sufficient to run the engine.? What
>     voltage do you measure whilst cranking?? If it stays up above 8 -
>     9 volts you'll be fine.
>
>     Dave
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>
>     To: 'James Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com
>     <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>>; 'Greg Gelhar' <greg at gelhar.com
>     <mailto:greg at gelhar.com>>
>     Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 7:07 am
>     Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     The first time our first TR3 died, I was out with my wife and we
>     were about 2 miles from home.? As we trudged our way home I
>     explained that this was part of the fun of owning a TR.? I'm not
>     sure she was convinced.......
>
>     Hopefully your neighbor? isn't too upset.
>
>     Really looking forward to being another of your neighbors next winter!
>
>     Andrew Uprichard
>     Jackson, Michigan
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of James
>     Henningsen
>     Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 7:51 PM
>     To: Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com <mailto:greg at gelhar.com>>
>     Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] New TR3A owner
>
>     Yes.? I?m going to pull a spark plug and test for spark against
>     the block tomorrow.? I know enough to get me in trouble which is
>     why I do appreciate this list? Jim
>
>     > On Apr 15, 2021, at 7:38 PM, Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com
>     <mailto:greg at gelhar.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > ?When you sprayed fluid into the carbs, had you lifted the
>     slides to
>     > open the fuel/ air passages?
>     >
>     > Greg G
>     > Osseo, MN
>     >
>     > -----Original Message-----
>     > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Jim
>     > Henningsen
>     > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2021 6:20 PM
>     > To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     > Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
>     >
>     > List:
>     > I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.
>     > Great to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in
>     Ocala, FL.
>     > Car arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10
>     miles.
>     > Luckily right in front of his house.? We got the car back into his
>     > garage before the rain came.? Car cranks over fine just won't
>     run.? It
>     > literally just died on him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.
>     > 12.2 volts at the battery, but
>     > 11.4 on the coil with ignition on. Positive ground car.? Is 11.4
>     > normal at the coil to start or is it losing voltage from
>     ignition switch to coil.
>     > White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.? With
>     ignition
>     > switch on,? it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse
>     on the fuse box.
>     >
>     > Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before
>     I dig
>     > into points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.? I don't think it is
>     > fuel as I sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
>     >
>     > Thanks,
>     > Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
>     > Ocala FL
>     >
>     >
>     >
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 13:40:48 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 15:40:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] New TR3A owner
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References: <8a140741-1260-2075-6b4a-d281d09e89ca@adelphia.net>
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I?ll second this. The wires on the coil and distributor are prone to breaking at the Lucar connector. It?s happened to me and years ago at a TRA meeting I was able to help someone with the same failure. If it is an original harness . . . ? Ground wires?
Allen 


> On Apr 16, 2021, at 7:40 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Jim,
> 
> 12.2 seems a bit low to me.  My fully charged optima shows 13.2. And 11.2 at the coil is low. There might be oxidation in the switch. If you dont see a strong spark try replacing the coil. Check the points and gap. With the ignition on and the points closed you should hear/see a spark when the points are opened manually.
> 
> The fact that it wont fire does sound electrical to me.
> 
> The last time my 3 stopped turned out to be a loose connection to the coil. All I did was pull both terminals and re-attach and I was on my way.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 4/15/21 7:19 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
>> List:
>> I successfully convinced my neighbor to buy a new to him 1958 TR3A.  Great
>> to have a new first time TR owner, especially here in Ocala, FL.  Car
>> arrived today and of course it crapped out on him after 10 miles. Luckily
>> right in front of his house.  We got the car back into his garage before the
>> rain came.  Car cranks over fine just won't run.  It literally just died on
>> him at a stop sign after the ten mile drive.  12.2 volts at the battery, but
>> 11.4 on the coil with ignition on.  Positive ground car.  Is 11.4 normal at
>> the coil to start or is it losing voltage from ignition switch to coil.
>> White wires from ignition switch look nice and tight.  With ignition switch
>> on,  it also has 11.4 volts at white wires on second fuse on the fuse box.
>> 
>> Just wanted to confirm 11.4 seems ok to start this puppy before I dig into
>> points, condenser, rotor, cap and wires.  I don't think it is fuel as I
>> sprayed starter fluid in the carbs and still nothing.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jim "I need spark" Henningsen
>> Ocala FL
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 16 15:11:00 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:11:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 cappings
Message-ID: <000001d73305$01f9cc40$05ed64c0$@uprichard.net>

List:  Over the years I have accumulated a number of cappings from various
cars.  Some good, some not so good.  I think my restoration days are over -
with 6 TRs I have more than enough to keep me busy servicing, fixing and
improving.  The picture summarizes what I have - sold as a lot.  Does anyone
think it is worth $50 plus shipping?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From staffel at comcast.net  Fri Apr 16 15:43:19 2021
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 17:43:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
Message-ID: <mailman.54.1618609405.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark?Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a simple rotor.?SInce then?Always carry spare rotors for me & others.When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an issue?Sherman65TR44 Jags72-965 JensensColumbiaMD.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Apr 17 06:25:30 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:25:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 cappings
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 That reminds me, do you want a few more?
;-)
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Fri, Apr 16, 2021 4:11 pm
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 cappings

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 13:24:57 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:24:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
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List,
Thank you all for your recommendations.  I got my spare parts and tools together and started with replacing the rotor.  It was new but the riveted type and I know those are problematic.  Put my spare red rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.  I spent more time getting my spares together than the time it took to switch the rotor.  How do they still sell Lucas logo black riveted rotors.  Should be a law against those.  So appreciative of everyone?s help.
Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a Morgan dealer in Illinois.  They sold it on consignment.  Stated that is was restored about 13 years ago.  After inspecting, I concur, it was done by someone who knows Triumphs.  Lots of correct details and parts.  
Cheers,
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala fl 




> On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
> ?
> 
> Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark 
> Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a simple rotor.
>  SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
> 
> When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
> 
> I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an issue 
> 
> Sherman
> 65TR4
> 4 Jags72-96
> 5 Jensens
> 
> ColumbiaMD.
> 
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Apr 17 13:34:03 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:34:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
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Jim,

I have never had a 3 or 4 rotor failure but I did have a failure on my 
6. I keep spares in the trunk of every car along with a coil.

That is one good looking 3. Any idea of what your friend paid? Just curious.

Bob

On 4/17/21 3:24 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> List,
> Thank you all for your recommendations. ?I got my spare parts and 
> tools together and started with replacing the rotor. ?It was new but 
> the riveted type and I know those are problematic. ?Put my spare red 
> rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A. ?I spent more time getting 
> my spares together than the time it took to switch the rotor. ?How do 
> they still sell Lucas logo black riveted rotors. ?Should be a law 
> against those. ?So appreciative of everyone?s help.
> Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a 
> Morgan dealer in Illinois. ?They sold it on consignment. ?Stated that 
> is was restored about 13 years ago. ?After inspecting, I concur, it 
> was done by someone who knows Triumphs. ?Lots of correct details and 
> parts.
> Cheers,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala fl
>
>
>
>
>> On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark
>> Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of 
>> course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave 
>> cars, get a simple rotor.
>> ?SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
>>
>> When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another 
>> rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
>>
>> I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been 
>> an issue
>>
>> Sherman
>> 65TR4
>> 4 Jags72-96
>> 5 Jensens
>>
>> ColumbiaMD.
>>
>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
>>
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 13:50:46 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:50:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
In-Reply-To: <c2931fa1-8559-88bd-4ee0-ca1ea39e2c79@adelphia.net>
References: <c2931fa1-8559-88bd-4ee0-ca1ea39e2c79@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <AFEC0B20-FAB4-474A-B929-15241AC6336C@gmail.com>

Thanks for the note.  It was a fair retail price considering the quality of the build.  I have a 61 3A in the fleet and it is nice to see the prices rising on our cars.  

> On Apr 17, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim,
> 
> I have never had a 3 or 4 rotor failure but I did have a failure on my 6. I keep spares in the trunk of every car along with a coil.
> 
> That is one good looking 3. Any idea of what your friend paid? Just curious.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 4/17/21 3:24 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
>> List,
>> Thank you all for your recommendations.  I got my spare parts and tools together and started with replacing the rotor.  It was new but the riveted type and I know those are problematic.  Put my spare red rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.  I spent more time getting my spares together than the time it took to switch the rotor.  How do they still sell Lucas logo black riveted rotors.  Should be a law against those.  So appreciative of everyone?s help.
>> Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a Morgan dealer in Illinois.  They sold it on consignment.  Stated that is was restored about 13 years ago.  After inspecting, I concur, it was done by someone who knows Triumphs.  Lots of correct details and parts.  
>> Cheers,
>> Jim Henningsen 
>> Ocala fl 
>> 
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark 
>>> Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a simple rotor.
>>>  SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
>>> 
>>> When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
>>> 
>>> I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an issue 
>>> 
>>> Sherman
>>> 65TR4
>>> 4 Jags72-96
>>> 5 Jensens
>>> 
>>> ColumbiaMD.
>>> 
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 15:16:17 2021
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 14:16:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
In-Reply-To: <AFEC0B20-FAB4-474A-B929-15241AC6336C@gmail.com>
References: <c2931fa1-8559-88bd-4ee0-ca1ea39e2c79@adelphia.net>
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I have never had a 3 or 4 rotor failure but I did have a failure on my 
6. I keep spares in the trunk of every car along with a coil.


Not saying that this is your problem, but a bad condenser can keep? 
plugs from firing. Early on I was going through condensers frequently 
enough that I carried tools and a couple spare condensers in easy reach. 
When the engine sputtered to a stop, a quick swap and I was back on my 
way. Seems the distributor was not making a good ground to the engine. 
Who? guessed. The cure was adding a ground wire from the side of the 
distributor to a good engine ground. Never had a failure since.

TeriAnn



From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sun Apr 18 09:16:59 2021
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:16:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Apr 18 12:38:08 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:38:08 +0100
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
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Wouldn?t disagree with your assessment Ed. The familiar Lucas trademark is now owned by another company and the contents in those modern boxes are far from dependable. Mostly mucho cheapo from China or Taiwan. Don?t know if the Intermotor brand is known in the US but I used their stuff for years on my Triumphs and never had issues. Maybe I was just lucky but I worked with Intermotor for years marketing a lot of their stuff overseas when I worked for Hardy Spicer Driveline and we had very few problems. They?re not necessarily the cheapest around but I never bought purely on price for business or personal use.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 18 Apr 2021, at 16:16, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Lucas? parts in green boxes are Lucas in name only. AFAIK, They have nothing to do with the original Lucas parts that were in our Triumphs back in the day. Those Lucas parts were as good or better than any of the other electrical suppliers of their time. 
>  
> Ed Woods
>> On 04/17/2021 3:24 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> List,
>> Thank you all for your recommendations.  I got my spare parts and tools together and started with replacing the rotor.  It was new but the riveted type and I know those are problematic.  Put my spare red rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.  I spent more time getting my spares together than the time it took to switch the rotor.  How do they still sell Lucas logo black riveted rotors.  Should be a law against those.  So appreciative of everyone?s help.
>> Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a Morgan dealer in Illinois.  They sold it on consignment.  Stated that is was restored about 13 years ago.  After inspecting, I concur, it was done by someone who knows Triumphs.  Lots of correct details and parts.  
>> Cheers,
>> Jim Henningsen 
>> Ocala fl 
>>  
>>      
>>  
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark 
>>> Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a simple rotor.
>>>  SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
>>>  
>>> When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
>>>  
>>> I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an issue 
>>>  
>>> Sherman
>>> 65TR4
>>> 4 Jags72-96
>>> 5 Jensens
>>>  
>>> ColumbiaMD.
>>>  
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
>>>  
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** 
>> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 12:49:55 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:49:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
In-Reply-To: <7EC80FFA-0DC7-4970-B103-D8FFFFC7607A@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <607a04fc.1c69fb81.3f942.7e94SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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I have a Lucas catalog from the early 70s, they have starters, alternators
etc. listed for Japanese, German, etc., cars in addition to British.
Strange to me to think of a Toyota with a Lucas alternator or whatever, I
don't remember Lucas parts being sourced that much for non-British cars,
but really don't know or remember.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 1:38 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
wrote:

> Wouldn?t disagree with your assessment Ed. The familiar Lucas trademark is
> now owned by another company and the contents in those modern boxes are far
> from dependable. Mostly mucho cheapo from China or Taiwan. Don?t know if
> the Intermotor brand is known in the US but I used their stuff for years on
> my Triumphs and never had issues. Maybe I was just lucky but I worked with
> Intermotor for years marketing a lot of their stuff overseas when I worked
> for Hardy Spicer Driveline and we had very few problems. They?re not
> necessarily the cheapest around but I never bought purely on price for
> business or personal use.
>
> Jonmac
>
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest
> intentions.
>
> On 18 Apr 2021, at 16:16, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> ?Lucas? parts in green boxes are Lucas in name only. AFAIK, They have
> nothing to do with the original Lucas parts that were in our Triumphs back
> in the day. Those Lucas parts were as good or better than any of the other
> electrical suppliers of their time.
>
> Ed Woods
>
> On 04/17/2021 3:24 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> List,
> Thank you all for your recommendations.  I got my spare parts and tools
> together and started with replacing the rotor.  It was new but the riveted
> type and I know those are problematic.  Put my spare red rotor in and
> voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.  I spent more time getting my spares
> together than the time it took to switch the rotor.  How do they still sell
> Lucas logo black riveted rotors.  Should be a law against those.  So
> appreciative of everyone?s help.
> Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a Morgan
> dealer in Illinois.  They sold it on consignment.  Stated that is was
> restored about 13 years ago.  After inspecting, I concur, it was done by
> someone who knows Triumphs.  Lots of correct details and parts.
> Cheers,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala fl
>
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark
> Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course
> both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a
> simple rotor.
>  SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
>
> When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another
> rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
>
> I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an
> issue
>
> Sherman
> 65TR4
> 4 Jags72-96
> 5 Jensens
>
> ColumbiaMD.
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
>
>
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Sun Apr 18 12:57:55 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 18:57:55 +0000
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
In-Reply-To: <7EC80FFA-0DC7-4970-B103-D8FFFFC7607A@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <607a04fc.1c69fb81.3f942.7e94SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <b3b25bc96ddc4b07a3f7c0fc8e523481@chinaautogroup.com>

The Intermotor Brand is now owned by Standard Motor Products and is marketed alongside their Standard and Blue Streak brands of ignition and electrical components.  Sold on RockAuto.

What?s in the box????   Well that?s anyone?s guess.  They tend to use the Intermotor brand on parts for import cars.

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
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Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688 USA
Direct:  (949) 261-8208
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2021 11:38 AM
To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] No spark TR3

Wouldn?t disagree with your assessment Ed. The familiar Lucas trademark is now owned by another company and the contents in those modern boxes are far from dependable. Mostly mucho cheapo from China or Taiwan. Don?t know if the Intermotor brand is known in the US but I used their stuff for years on my Triumphs and never had issues. Maybe I was just lucky but I worked with Intermotor for years marketing a lot of their stuff overseas when I worked for Hardy Spicer Driveline and we had very few problems. They?re not necessarily the cheapest around but I never bought purely on price for business or personal use.

Jonmac
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On 18 Apr 2021, at 16:16, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net<mailto:fogbro1 at comcast.net>> wrote:
?Lucas? parts in green boxes are Lucas in name only. AFAIK, They have nothing to do with the original Lucas parts that were in our Triumphs back in the day. Those Lucas parts were as good or better than any of the other electrical suppliers of their time.

Ed Woods
On 04/17/2021 3:24 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:


List,
Thank you all for your recommendations.  I got my spare parts and tools together and started with replacing the rotor.  It was new but the riveted type and I know those are problematic.  Put my spare red rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.  I spent more time getting my spares together than the time it took to switch the rotor.  How do they still sell Lucas logo black riveted rotors.  Should be a law against those.  So appreciative of everyone?s help.
Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a Morgan dealer in Illinois.  They sold it on consignment.  Stated that is was restored about 13 years ago.  After inspecting, I concur, it was done by someone who knows Triumphs.  Lots of correct details and parts.
Cheers,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net<mailto:staffel at comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark
Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to leave cars, get a simple rotor.
 SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.

When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.

I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never been an issue

Sherman
65TR4
4 Jags72-96
5 Jensens

ColumbiaMD.

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sun Apr 18 13:21:46 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:21:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZm+bgYXHR9F7dLY=VLua31RoaYCCxNv6G_hxqU57y=cA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <607a04fc.1c69fb81.3f942.7e94SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
 <82B9E208-3114-4557-A73C-6D716C24012C@gmail.com>
 <2124762417.231684.1618759019530@connect.xfinity.com>
 <7EC80FFA-0DC7-4970-B103-D8FFFFC7607A@Ukpips.org.uk>
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Message-ID: <99794466-de8d-7372-9836-540fa3d220a2@porterscustom.com>

Alfa used a Lucas distributor with clockwise rotation..

On 4/18/2021 12:49 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> I have a Lucas catalog from the early 70s, they have starters, 
> alternators etc. listed for Japanese, German, etc., cars in addition 
> to British.? Strange to me to think of a Toyota with a Lucas 
> alternator or whatever, I don't remember Lucas parts being sourced 
> that much for non-British cars, but really don't know or remember.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sun, Apr 18, 2021, 1:38 PM John Macartney 
> <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Wouldn?t disagree with your assessment Ed. The familiar Lucas
>     trademark is now owned by another company and the contents in
>     those modern boxes are far from dependable. Mostly mucho cheapo
>     from China or Taiwan. Don?t know if the Intermotor brand is known
>     in the US but I used their stuff for years on my Triumphs and
>     never had issues. Maybe I was just lucky but I worked with
>     Intermotor for years marketing a lot of their stuff overseas when
>     I worked for Hardy Spicer Driveline and we had very few problems.
>     They?re not necessarily the cheapest around but I never bought
>     purely on price for business or personal use.
>
>     Jonmac
>
>     Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with
>     honest intentions.
>
>     On 18 Apr 2021, at 16:16, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net
>     <mailto:fogbro1 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>>     ?Lucas? parts in green boxes are Lucas in name only. AFAIK, They
>>     have nothing to do with the original Lucas parts that were in our
>>     Triumphs back in the day. Those Lucas parts were as good or
>>     better than any of the other electrical suppliers of their time.
>>     Ed Woods
>>>     On 04/17/2021 3:24 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     List,
>>>     Thank you all for your recommendations.? I got my spare parts
>>>     and tools together and started with replacing the rotor. It was
>>>     new but the riveted type and I know those are problematic.? Put
>>>     my spare red rotor in and voila, a fine running 59 TR3A.? I
>>>     spent more time getting my spares together than the time it took
>>>     to switch the rotor.? How do they still sell Lucas logo black
>>>     riveted rotors.? Should be a law against those.? So appreciative
>>>     of everyone?s help.
>>>     Attached pic of the happy owner with his new car. It came from a
>>>     Morgan dealer in Illinois.? They sold it on consignment. Stated
>>>     that is was restored about 13 years ago. After inspecting, I
>>>     concur, it was done by someone who knows Triumphs.? Lots of
>>>     correct details and parts.
>>>     Cheers,
>>>     Jim Henningsen
>>>     Ocala fl
>>>
>>>>     On Apr 16, 2021, at 5:43 PM, staffel <staffel at comcast.net
>>>>     <mailto:staffel at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi Jim! Lucas rotors known to crack, Thus grounding spark
>>>>     Had this happen on TR4 & On friend's 6 cyl Jags with points. Of
>>>>     course both times club drives > hundred miles from home. Had to
>>>>     leave cars, get a simple rotor.
>>>>     ?SInce then Always carry spare rotors for me & others.
>>>>     When no spark on Lucas's Ignition, 1st thing I do is swap to
>>>>     another rotor. Then follow normal diagnostics.
>>>>     I'm running a Malory dual point since 1999. Rotor quality never
>>>>     been an issue
>>>>     Sherman
>>>>     65TR4
>>>>     4 Jags72-96
>>>>     5 Jensens
>>>>     ColumbiaMD.
>>>>     Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Tab A, an AT&T 4G LTE tablet
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 13:43:43 2021
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:43:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] No spark TR3
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On 4/18/21 12:21 PM, David P wrote:
>
> Alfa used a Lucas distributor with clockwise rotation..
>
> On 4/18/2021 12:49 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>> I have a Lucas catalog from the early 70s,

And I have the 1963 Lucas Standard and Triumph catalogue on its third 
round through ebay.? Seems like a $1 starting bid is too high. I will 
hate to see it go into the recycle bin but it is not coming along on my 
upcoming move.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/294121919756

TeriAnn

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Apr 19 12:46:15 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 11:46:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Anyone know the latest with the cars at Triumphs Only?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaF-Tcs8bnFa7tqR5EV7aLE+_Y8vx6qwSRQ-qQgvn4=-Pg@mail.gmail.com>

Sujit

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 19 19:54:05 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2021 18:54:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] NOS TR6 RF Vertical Link & Stub Axle For Sale
References: <000001d73588$0c15ab10$24410130$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d73588$0c15ab10$24410130$@yahoo.com>

     Can't list stuff on Ebay anymore. Those bastards demanded my SSN and I
refused. Triumph 6-pack forum used to be free, now they charge too.

     I have a NOS Triumph TR4A thru TR6 right front vertical link (Moss part
#661-110) and stub axle for sale. New & unused. Moss gets $259.99 for the
vertical link and $33.99 for the stub axle. I'll sell the two together for
$120 shipping included in the USA.

     Has your suspension had a rough life? Get a new part - Cheap!

     TIA,

 

     Bill Brewer

     Morro Bay, CA

     1960 TR3A

     1953 Morgan Plus4 Flat Rad

     No TR6 anymore

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Apr 20 09:07:38 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:07:38 +0000
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
Message-ID: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59@albiontechnical.com>

I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?

Mike

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Tue Apr 20 09:27:11 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 11:27:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59@albiontechnical.com>
References: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <e96bd3f6-12e9-521c-a6bf-c455964f7caf@adelphia.net>

Mike,

I get a ton of spam but I did not get this. I have never heard of either 
guys mentioned in the email.

Bob

On 4/20/21 11:07 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
>
> Mike
>

From rod2319 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 09:43:05 2021
From: rod2319 at gmail.com (Rod Trunnell)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:43:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59@albiontechnical.com>
References: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same email and had the exact thought

Rod Trunnell

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
wrote:

> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam.
> I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used
> is a little off.  Thoughts?
>
> Mike
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 20 09:51:45 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:51:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 cappings
In-Reply-To: <000001d73305$01f9cc40$05ed64c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d73305$01f9cc40$05ed64c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <0435C69F-0988-4CA5-9A37-6CEED26F923F@yahoo.com>

Do you still have these callings?  Fellow on Facebook looking for some.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 16, 2021, at 4:19 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:

?
List:  Over the years I have accumulated a number of cappings from various cars.  Some good, some not so good.  I think my restoration days are over ? with 6 TRs I have more than enough to keep me busy servicing, fixing and improving.  The picture summarizes what I have ? sold as a lot.  Does anyone think it is worth $50 plus shipping?
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Apr 20 09:56:42 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:56:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.57.1618934206.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Spam
-------- Original message --------From: Rod Trunnell <rod2319 at gmail.com> Date: 4/20/21  10:44 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> Cc: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, isoa at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TR] Potential Scam I got the same email and had the exact thoughtRod TrunnellOn Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?

Mike

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Tue Apr 20 12:42:08 2021
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 14:42:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
Message-ID: <824a22631aec1fb9245e4e9eca98fa49@mail.gmail.com>

I got the same message on Saturday except that:

   - it said that my contact info had been provided by Jim McDonald (not
   Jim Turner) of the British Car Club Of America
   - the sender claimed to be Peter Reinert at pt4506 at gmail.com (not James
   & Denise McLean)



Although I thought the message was odd, I replied to let him know that I
thought he had been directed to me in error and that I didn't know how I
could help him. He replied within 15 minutes of my message, thanking me for
my e-mail and saying that he was interested in 50's XKs and E-Type Jaguars.



Since he was all over the map in what he was looking for, I figured he
likely a scammer using someone else's (or a fictitious) name. Based on the
fact that Michael received an almost identical e-mail, we can be sure it?s
a scam.



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada



>Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:07:38 +0000

>From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>

>Subject: [TR] Potential Scam

>Message-ID: <A67FB9BC-01A3-482D-9650-5BF6ECF57A59 at albiontechnical.com>

>

>I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam.
I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used
is a little off.  Thoughts?

>

>Mike

>

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From momulle at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 20 12:50:33 2021
From: momulle at yahoo.com (michael muller)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:50:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <549678152.2390313.1618944634009@mail.yahoo.com>

Me too.? (three? four? :) )
Thanks,
Mike Mullerhttps://www.linkedin.com/in/michaelolivermuller/ 
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:07:38 +0000
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To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "isoa at googlegroups.com"
??? <isoa at googlegroups.com>
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
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I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?

Mike

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From carlsereda at aol.com  Tue Apr 20 12:59:00 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 18:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Potential scam?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Hi Listers,

I didn't get approached by British Car Club of America they look legit if you check out their website..
http://www.britishcarsofamerica.com/

Regards,Carl'63 TR4 since '74
 
? 3. Potential Scam (Michael Marr)
? 4. Re: Potential Scam (Bob)
? 5. Re: Potential Scam (Rod Trunnell)
? 7. Re: Potential Scam (dave)

I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?

Mike7 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?
>
> Mike
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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Apr 20 13:04:45 2021
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 15:04:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Potential scam?
In-Reply-To: <1456680710.4488427.1618945140954@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <1456680710.4488427.1618945140954@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1772109455.1740462.1618945485974@myemail.cox.net>

That site is for a restoration company, not a car club.


> On April 20, 2021 at 2:59 PM Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Listers,
> 
>     I didn't get approached by British Car Club of America they look legit if you check out their website..
> 
>     http://www.britishcarsofamerica.com/
> 
>     Regards,
>     Carl
>     '63 TR4 since '74
> 
> 
>       3. Potential Scam (Michael Marr)
>       4. Re: Potential Scam (Bob)
>       5. Re: Potential Scam (Rod Trunnell)
>       7. Re: Potential Scam (dave)
> 
>     I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
> 
>     Mike7 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
>     > I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
>     >
>     > Mike
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Apr 20 13:11:54 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 19:11:54 +0000
Subject: [TR] Potential scam?
In-Reply-To: <1772109455.1740462.1618945485974@myemail.cox.net>
References: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <1456680710.4488427.1618945140954@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <1772109455.1740462.1618945485974@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <F0DBE821-54AA-43D9-8122-C89A6572D965@albiontechnical.com>

That?s what I thought.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 20, 2021, at 14:05, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net<mailto:spitlist at cox.net>> wrote:


That site is for a restoration company, not a car club.


On April 20, 2021 at 2:59 PM Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com<mailto:carlsereda at aol.com>> wrote:

Hi Listers,

I didn't get approached by British Car Club of America they look legit if you check out their website..

http://www.britishcarsofamerica.com/

Regards,
Carl
'63 TR4 since '74


  3. Potential Scam (Michael Marr)
  4. Re: Potential Scam (Bob)
  5. Re: Potential Scam (Rod Trunnell)
  7. Re: Potential Scam (dave)

I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?

Mike7 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
>
> Mike
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Tue Apr 20 14:37:56 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 20:37:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Potential scam?
In-Reply-To: <F0DBE821-54AA-43D9-8122-C89A6572D965@albiontechnical.com>
References: <mailman.14.1618941603.21695.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <1456680710.4488427.1618945140954@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1772109455.1740462.1618945485974@myemail.cox.net>
 <F0DBE821-54AA-43D9-8122-C89A6572D965@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <1350561095.4521975.1618951076203@mail.yahoo.com>

My mistakeThanks
Carl 
'63' TR4 since '74 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net>
Cc: Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Apr 20, 2021 12:11 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Potential scam?

That?s what I thought.
Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 20, 2021, at 14:05, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

That site is for a restoration company, not a car club.
On April 20, 2021 at 2:59 PM Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:

Hi Listers, I didn't get approached by British Car Club of America they look legit if you check out their website..
http://www.britishcarsofamerica.com/

Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 
? 3. Potential Scam (Michael Marr) 
? 4. Re: Potential Scam (Bob) 
? 5. Re: Potential Scam (Rod Trunnell) 
? 7. Re: Potential Scam (dave) 

I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts? 


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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Apr 20 14:43:07 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:43:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] parts
Message-ID: <00d901d73625$c58c8710$50a59530$@uprichard.net>

I am not sure if it is acceptable to use this forum for selling stuff, so
let me just say I have listed a number of parts for sale on The Triumph
experience.

 

The link is
https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/buy-sell-and-trade-forum.5/various-tr-parts
.1794229/

 

Email me if you are interested in anything.  Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Mchigan

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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 16:39:55 2021
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:39:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <952F849E-167A-4E62-989B-CFD273AF5A92@gmail.com>

Looks scammy.   Just delete it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Rod Trunnell <rod2319 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I got the same email and had the exact thought
> 
> Rod Trunnell
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
>> 
>> Mike
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From john at linneyweb.com  Tue Apr 20 18:41:47 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:41:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <952F849E-167A-4E62-989B-CFD273AF5A92@gmail.com>
References: <952F849E-167A-4E62-989B-CFD273AF5A92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B43AA0D2-3136-41DB-AF98-264F5858AD39@linneyweb.com>

Mine was from Scott Wilson. Hint: If the To: field has the sender?s address be on guard.



Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 3:40 PM, Phil Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Looks scammy.   Just delete it. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2021, at 10:44 AM, Rod Trunnell <rod2319 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I got the same email and had the exact thought
>> 
>> Rod Trunnell
>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>>> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?  I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.  Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Mike
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 12:26:53 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:26:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Isn't someone trying to fix his clock? Read this
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEdfnAZO4sWa_5g8r1dBOG4BzzwWLTie=eaatfUoKnPNA@mail.gmail.com>

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/does-anyone-bother-fix-classic-115400735.html

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 13:47:26 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 12:47:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] I'm in need of 1 piston +40 for a Stag
Message-ID: <CANLCLaF8KYesjnxwgcbLdtqjGtrNBdowKxoDt_m5r6d5ALa8=g@mail.gmail.com>

The usual suppliers set a set of 8. Does anyone have one to sell or part
with?
Sujit

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Fri Apr 23 17:45:30 2021
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:45:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Isn't someone trying to fix his clock? Read this
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEdfnAZO4sWa_5g8r1dBOG4BzzwWLTie=eaatfUoKnPNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEdfnAZO4sWa_5g8r1dBOG4BzzwWLTie=eaatfUoKnPNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d1a654e-5829-69ca-d1e4-abd74e556913@satx.rr.com>

I had my stag clock fixed, he added a small computer board that takes 
the place of the spiral spring.? works perfect

Patrick

71 Stag

On 4/23/2021 1:26 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> https://www.yahoo.com/autos/does-anyone-bother-fix-classic-115400735.html 
> <https://www.yahoo.com/autos/does-anyone-bother-fix-classic-115400735.html>
>
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Fri Apr 23 17:48:11 2021
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:48:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Isn't someone trying to fix his clock? Read this
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEdfnAZO4sWa_5g8r1dBOG4BzzwWLTie=eaatfUoKnPNA@mail.gmail.com>
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Found the pictures of clock with computer board

On 4/23/2021 1:26 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> https://www.yahoo.com/autos/does-anyone-bother-fix-classic-115400735.html 
> <https://www.yahoo.com/autos/does-anyone-bother-fix-classic-115400735.html>
>
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Fri Apr 23 18:04:59 2021
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:04:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] I'm in need of 1 piston +40 for a Stag
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaF8KYesjnxwgcbLdtqjGtrNBdowKxoDt_m5r6d5ALa8=g@mail.gmail.com>
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Heres the website where i got my clock "computerized" 
https://jaguarclock.com/

On 4/23/2021 2:47 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> The usual suppliers set a set of 8. Does anyone?have one to sell or 
> part with?
> Sujit
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 15:07:00 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:07:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
Message-ID: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?  Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.  What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.  

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl


From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Apr 24 15:20:14 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 17:20:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>

For the drain plug, go to a good NAPA store. I have changed some of my
tractors over to hex head pipe plugs since the square heads can round off so
easily. Of course, those machines date back to the 50's and before. They
should have them in brass, as well. They also have a good listing for
straight thread, flanged plugs, as well. Is that overdrive drain plug an
oddball thread?

Sorry - can't help with question #2.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 24 16:50:55 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:50:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
 <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <014301d7395c$49ed9380$ddc8ba80$@gmail.com>

Alex, the is the large brass drain plug under the OD if you were thinking of
the small square one under the main tranny.  It has a hex head on it.  I
think it is 1 1/16 inch size.  It is different than the brass drain plug on
my TR4 a type.  For that one Moss has a special wrench tool which works
great.  I may need to get a wrench for the 3 plug as that might work better
than a socket.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

For the drain plug, go to a good NAPA store. I have changed some of my
tractors over to hex head pipe plugs since the square heads can round off so
easily. Of course, those machines date back to the 50's and before. They
should have them in brass, as well. They also have a good listing for
straight thread, flanged plugs, as well. Is that overdrive drain plug an
oddball thread?

Sorry - can't help with question #2.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 24 17:07:19 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:07:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <014301d7395c$49ed9380$ddc8ba80$@gmail.com>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
 <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>
 <014301d7395c$49ed9380$ddc8ba80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d7395e$94d86e40$be894ac0$@yahoo.com>

If it is part number 500620, TRF has them at the modest price of $99.95ea.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:51 PM
To: 'Alex & Janet Thomson' <aljlthomson at charter.net>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Alex, the is the large brass drain plug under the OD if you were thinking of
the small square one under the main tranny.  It has a hex head on it.  I
think it is 1 1/16 inch size.  It is different than the brass drain plug on
my TR4 a type.  For that one Moss has a special wrench tool which works
great.  I may need to get a wrench for the 3 plug as that might work better
than a socket.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

For the drain plug, go to a good NAPA store. I have changed some of my
tractors over to hex head pipe plugs since the square heads can round off so
easily. Of course, those machines date back to the 50's and before. They
should have them in brass, as well. They also have a good listing for
straight thread, flanged plugs, as well. Is that overdrive drain plug an
oddball thread?

Sorry - can't help with question #2.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Apr 24 18:49:00 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:49:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <000801d7395e$94d86e40$be894ac0$@yahoo.com>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
 <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>
 <014301d7395c$49ed9380$ddc8ba80$@gmail.com>
 <000801d7395e$94d86e40$be894ac0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d7396c$c8418fb0$58c4af10$@charter.net>

Ooohh - That's a lot of 6 packs!
Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Notakitcar [mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:07 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen'; 'Alex & Janet Thomson'; 'TR3 Triumphs'
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

If it is part number 500620, TRF has them at the modest price of $99.95ea.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:51 PM
To: 'Alex & Janet Thomson' <aljlthomson at charter.net>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Alex, the is the large brass drain plug under the OD if you were thinking of
the small square one under the main tranny.  It has a hex head on it.  I
think it is 1 1/16 inch size.  It is different than the brass drain plug on
my TR4 a type.  For that one Moss has a special wrench tool which works
great.  I may need to get a wrench for the 3 plug as that might work better
than a socket.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

For the drain plug, go to a good NAPA store. I have changed some of my
tractors over to hex head pipe plugs since the square heads can round off so
easily. Of course, those machines date back to the 50's and before. They
should have them in brass, as well. They also have a good listing for
straight thread, flanged plugs, as well. Is that overdrive drain plug an
oddball thread?

Sorry - can't help with question #2.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Apr 25 05:51:33 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 11:51:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <000e01d7396c$c8418fb0$58c4af10$@charter.net>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
 <000c01d7394f$9e510b30$daf32190$@charter.net>
 <014301d7395c$49ed9380$ddc8ba80$@gmail.com>
 <000801d7395e$94d86e40$be894ac0$@yahoo.com>
 <000e01d7396c$c8418fb0$58c4af10$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <426191479.185572.1619351493823@mail.yahoo.com>

 It is a machined part, in brass, produced in small volumes.? It's like home brewing a batch of beer that costs you $75 in supplies, $1000 in equipment and 5 hours of your time.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'Notakitcar' <notakitcar at yahoo.com>; 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'TR3 Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 24, 2021 7:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Ooohh - That's a lot of 6 packs!
Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Notakitcar [mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 7:07 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen'; 'Alex & Janet Thomson'; 'TR3 Triumphs'
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

If it is part number 500620, TRF has them at the modest price of $99.95ea.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:51 PM
To: 'Alex & Janet Thomson' <aljlthomson at charter.net>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Alex, the is the large brass drain plug under the OD if you were thinking of
the small square one under the main tranny.? It has a hex head on it.? I
think it is 1 1/16 inch size.? It is different than the brass drain plug on
my TR4 a type.? For that one Moss has a special wrench tool which works
great.? I may need to get a wrench for the 3 plug as that might work better
than a socket.? 
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:20 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'TR3 Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

For the drain plug, go to a good NAPA store. I have changed some of my
tractors over to hex head pipe plugs since the square heads can round off so
easily. Of course, those machines date back to the 50's and before. They
should have them in brass, as well. They also have a good listing for
straight thread, flanged plugs, as well. Is that overdrive drain plug an
oddball thread?

Sorry - can't help with question #2.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.? Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.? My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.? Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Apr 25 12:21:43 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 14:21:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
References: <F3A773EA-E728-445B-8690-138515D33F1F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a9301d739ff$d8417090$88c451b0$@bell.net>

I had the same problem, the arm broke off. I bought a new one from TRF. Do
they no longer carry them?


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> 
Sent: April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION

Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 

Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.


Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl




From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 25 15:15:30 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 17:15:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <0a9301d739ff$d8417090$88c451b0$@bell.net>
References: <0a9301d739ff$d8417090$88c451b0$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <E81CEEB1-3033-41B7-92A5-445C99A31303@gmail.com>

After going through  my TR2 factory parts manual found out TRF does have a safety catch assembly for $20.  Good news is a fellow TR list
Member had an original one he could part with. 
Love this list! 
Cheers
Jim Henningsen 

> On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:21 PM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:
> 
> ?I had the same problem, the arm broke off. I bought a new one from TRF. Do
> they no longer carry them?
> 
> 
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: April 24, 2021 5:07 PM
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR3A QUESTION
> 
> Are there any replacements for the brass overdrive drain plug on 61 3a?
> Mine is worn a little making it difficult to tighten and loosen with socket.
> What tricks are there to stop leaks out of this plug? 
> 
> Question 2.  Anyone have a good used Tr3a hood latch.  My neighbors has the
> lever arm broken off making it difficult to unlatch.  Attaches to the hood.
> 
> 
> Many thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala fl
> 
> 
> 

From lherault at verizon.net  Mon Apr 26 09:26:47 2021
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 11:26:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
References: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$.ref@net>
Message-ID: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$@net>

My '73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage
repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.    It has
seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow
radius edges are starting to show primer.  I'm seeing lots of new ceramic
this and diamond that "waxes"  talked about and have been wondering if they
are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.  So, who is using
what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you wash with first?  Using
traditional waxes or new stuff?   Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an
issue for me.  I try not to take the car out in wet weather.

 

Thanks,

 

Ron L

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From lee at automate-it.com  Mon Apr 26 17:27:29 2021
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:27:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
In-Reply-To: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$@net>
References: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$.ref@net>
 <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$@net>
Message-ID: <35baefc27cf0351e42f47b312b038897@automate-it.com>

"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"

:-O

On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:

> My '73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for 
> damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 
> 1979.    It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent 
> that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I'm 
> seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that "waxes"  talked about 
> and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use 
> on vintage paint.  So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?  
> What do you wash with first?  Using traditional waxes or new stuff?   
> Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.  I try not to 
> take the car out in wet weather.
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 20 10:14:35 2021
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 16:14:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <20210420155735.C5D51A152D@autox.team.net>
References: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20210420155735.C5D51A152D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1228193107.4371221.1618935275547@mail.yahoo.com>

I received it as well a few weeks back and just ignored.

Robert






On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 11:57:37 AM EDT, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote: 





Spam

-------- Original message --------
From: Rod Trunnell <rod2319 at gmail.com> 
Date: 4/20/21 10:44 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> 
Cc: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, isoa at googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [TR] Potential Scam 

I got the same email and had the exact thought

Rod Trunnell

On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?
> 
> Mike
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 20 11:36:01 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 17:36:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Potential Scam
In-Reply-To: <20210420155729.F0621A151D@autox.team.net>
References: <CAEzQcJ=zWc5grQkSKMHYzgjFf0vuymWzGnoFMzX0EqJ=k186Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20210420155729.F0621A151D@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <378961360.2366717.1618940161697@mail.yahoo.com>

 


    On Tuesday, April 20, 2021, 08:57:31 AM PDT, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 Spam
-------- Original message --------From: Rod Trunnell <rod2319 at gmail.com> Date: 4/20/21 10:44 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> Cc: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, isoa at googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [TR] Potential Scam 
I got the same email and had the exact thought
Rod Trunnell
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021, 8:09 AM Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:

I got this email this morning. Did anybody else?? I believe it?s a scam. I?ve never heard of the British Car Club of America and the language used is a little off.? Thoughts?

Mike

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 09:23:28 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
In-Reply-To: <35baefc27cf0351e42f47b312b038897@automate-it.com>
References: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$.ref@net>
 <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$@net>
 <35baefc27cf0351e42f47b312b038897@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <875440159.573412.1619537008233@mail.yahoo.com>

 ??????who was discussing politics or religion?



    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT, <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:  
 
 
"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"

:-O




On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:


My ?73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage repair, ?some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.??? It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.? I?m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that ?waxes?? talked about and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.? So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?? What do you wash with first?? Using traditional waxes or new stuff??? Problems?? Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.? I try not to take the car out in wet weather.




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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 11:02:23 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:02:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks upany thoughts on where to look next?
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Apr 27 12:15:52 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 14:15:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Brake hose? It could be collapsing internally so that the fluid cannot return after the brakes have been applied.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: April 27, 2021 1:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3

 

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.

took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.

just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up

any thoughts on where to look next?

 

Frank

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Apr 27 13:11:29 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:11:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Frank:

This happened to me once.  It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.  I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.  Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.

Regards,

Mike
?Come on you Irons!?

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

Cell:  630-202-0065
Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.
took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.
just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up
any thoughts on where to look next?

Frank
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 13:16:30 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:16:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR11MB1755D283F73F5C3ED1EA0383A0419@DM5PR11MB1755.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 thanksi took the drum off 2 weekends ago.did not see any leakage.everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the shoes in place still there.re-set the adjustment when i put things back.
ughhhh.


    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:  
 
 
Frank:
 
 ?
 
This happened to me once.? It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.? I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.? Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.
 
 ?
 
Regards,
 
 ?
 
Mike
 
?Come on you Irons!?
 
 ?
 
Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
 
Albion Technical Services
 
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
 
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
 
 ?
 
Cell:? 630-202-0065
 
Email:? mmarr at albiontechnical.com
 
 ?
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf OfFrank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
 
 ?
 
my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.
 
took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.
 
just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up
 
any thoughts on where to look next?
 
 ?
 
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 13:18:58 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:18:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
In-Reply-To: <875440159.573412.1619537008233@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$.ref@net>
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Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNXkWepZacP7=+K4T6akSOpqZpWpDGsRe-yd9pYYnkf_A@mail.gmail.com>

I think the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are akin to religion and
politics for the purpose of civil discourse.  Some people are adamant about
their choices.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ??????
> who was discussing politics or religion?
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT, <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:
>
>
> "Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"
>
> :-O
>
>
> On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:
>
> My ?73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for
> damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.
> It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper
> narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I?m seeing lots of new
> ceramic this and diamond that ?waxes?  talked about and have been wondering
> if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.  So, who is
> using what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you wash with first?  Using
> traditional waxes or new stuff?   Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an
> issue for me.  I try not to take the car out in wet weather.
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Apr 27 13:20:01 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:20:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <443233386.628841.1619550990267@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DM5PR11MB1755D283F73F5C3ED1EA0383A0419@DM5PR11MB1755.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
 <443233386.628841.1619550990267@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B3397425-5DD2-4866-987D-104EDAAC6F1B@albiontechnical.com>

Then I would look at the hose on that side, as Keith Stewart suggested.

I didn?t think you used the brakes, anyway!

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2021, at 14:16, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

?
thanks
i took the drum off 2 weekends ago.
did not see any leakage.
everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the shoes in place still there.
re-set the adjustment when i put things back.

ughhhh.



On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:



Frank:



This happened to me once.  It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.  I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.  Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.



Regards,



Mike

?Come on you Irons!?



Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.

Albion Technical Services

W5918 Hackbarth Rd

Fort Atkinson, WI 53538



Cell:  630-202-0065

Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3



my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.

took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.

just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up

any thoughts on where to look next?



Frank
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 13:21:56 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:21:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <0dc601d73b91$5bb62780$13227680$@bell.net>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <0dc601d73b91$5bb62780$13227680$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNPeBGsRJ4NJUgn+X0jHxxZpOwFzg+UbYFfOrQP3jXKfw@mail.gmail.com>

To test this, you can open the bleeder screw after it locks up.  If this
releases the brake, then it's likely to be the hose.  I'd replace all of
them at the same time.

On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 14:19 <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

> Brake hose? It could be collapsing internally so that the fluid cannot
> return after the brakes have been applied.
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith Stewart
>
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* April 27, 2021 1:02 PM
> *To:* Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] locking brake TR3
>
>
>
> my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.
>
> took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.
>
> just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up
>
> any thoughts on where to look next?
>
>
>
> Frank
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 13:39:31 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:39:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
In-Reply-To: <875440159.573412.1619537008233@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <875440159.573412.1619537008233@mail.yahoo.com>
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I use Meguiars car wash. Followed by a clay bar or synthetic clay pad once a year. Since the paint is thin, I would avoid a polish and just go to a wax or sealant. I bought an orbital polisher kit years ago and it came with a sealant. It worked well and I?ve not tried a wax. The kit came with Wolfgang products but they?re a bit expensive. Currently using Meguiars Synthetic Sealant 2.0 #21. Throughout the season after a wash I use Griots Garage Best of Show Detailer. Works great on top window too. 

A member of our club is friends with Tim McNair, Gran Prix Concours. So, he has given a presentation to our club a couple times. At the last one, someone asked about ceramic coatings. I don?t recall now but the answer was close to ?don?t bother?. At the time ceramic products were very expensive and tedious or difficult to use. My cynical side thinks that the current products are jumping on the marketing band wagon.  Google him and you?ll find some Hagerty sponsored videos and other articles. 
 
Allen, TR4
>> On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:
>> 
>> My ?73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage repair,  some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.    It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.  I?m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that ?waxes?  talked about and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.  So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?  What do you wash with first?  Using traditional waxes or new stuff?   Problems?  Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.  I try not to take the car out in wet weather.
>> 
> 
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Tue Apr 27 13:51:00 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:51:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
References: <0eec1272-72df-5e8f-97ca-082ad78b440f.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <0eec1272-72df-5e8f-97ca-082ad78b440f@att.net>

most drum brakes are "self energizing" so if the shoes are not fully 
returning the forward motion of the car will cause them to engage.? I 
would make sure that the shoes move freely.? It could be rust in the 
brake cylinder causing the piston to not return or sticking parking 
brake components or the like.

I suppose overzealous adjustment of the shoes could cause this as well.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 16:14:35 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:14:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] washing and "waxing"
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNXkWepZacP7=+K4T6akSOpqZpWpDGsRe-yd9pYYnkf_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001c01d73ab0$92e56040$b8b020c0$.ref@net>
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 <875440159.573412.1619537008233@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1398186369.762916.1619561675257@mail.yahoo.com>

 laughing

    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:19:12 PM PDT, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I think the joke is that auto wax (and motor oil) are akin to religion and politics for the purpose of civil discourse.? Some people are adamant about their choices.
On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 11:24 Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 ??????who was discussing politics or religion?



    On Monday, April 26, 2021, 04:28:14 PM PDT, <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:  
 
 
"Don't discuss politics or religion in polite company"

:-O




On 2021-04-26 10:26, Ron L'Herault wrote:


My ?73 TR-6 is mostly original paint with a few areas of repaint for damage repair, ?some of which date to before I acquired the car in 1979.??? It has seen a lot of polishing over the years to the extent that some upper narrow radius edges are starting to show primer.? I?m seeing lots of new ceramic this and diamond that ?waxes?? talked about and have been wondering if they are effective and/or desirable to use on vintage paint.? So, who is using what to keep their cars shiny?? What do you wash with first?? Using traditional waxes or new stuff??? Problems?? Holding up to rain is not an issue for me.? I try not to take the car out in wet weather.




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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 27 16:15:14 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:15:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <B3397425-5DD2-4866-987D-104EDAAC6F1B@albiontechnical.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DM5PR11MB1755D283F73F5C3ED1EA0383A0419@DM5PR11MB1755.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <235157621.759302.1619561715007@mail.yahoo.com>

 i try not to use the brakes, but occasionally some bone head gets in the way
    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:20:07 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:  
 
 Then I would look at the hose on that side, as Keith Stewart suggested.?
I didn?t think you used the brakes, anyway!
Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 27, 2021, at 14:16, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:



?thanksi took the drum off 2 weekends ago.did not see any leakage.everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the shoes in place still there.re-set the adjustment when i put things back.
ughhhh.


On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:


Frank:

?

This happened to me once.? It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.? I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.? Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.

?

Regards,

?

Mike

?Come on you Irons!?

?

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.

Albion Technical Services

W5918 Hackbarth Rd

Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

?

Cell:? 630-202-0065

Email:? mmarr at albiontechnical.com

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3

?

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.

took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.

just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up

any thoughts on where to look next?

?

Frank

  
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Tue Apr 27 16:30:11 2021
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 15:30:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <235157621.759302.1619561715007@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Frank,

 

I?d start with the hose, old ones can flex internally and collapse.

 

Alternatively, your M. Cylinder may have failed and may not be allowing the return of fluid on release,  I had this happen on a TR6 with one of those recalled TRW master cylinders about 10 years ago.

 

Ma

 

On cars with an adjustable length master cylinder rod, the rod can be too long, preventing the return of fluid ? had this happen on Jag XK?s.  Getting the rod adjusted perfectly was a PITA.

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:15 PM
To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Cc: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] locking brake TR3

 

i try not to use the brakes, but occasionally some bone head gets in the way

 

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:20:07 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com <mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Then I would look at the hose on that side, as Keith Stewart suggested.  

 

I didn?t think you used the brakes, anyway!

 

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Apr 27, 2021, at 14:16, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com <mailto:yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> > wrote:

? 

thanks

i took the drum off 2 weekends ago.

did not see any leakage.

everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the shoes in place still there.

re-set the adjustment when i put things back.

 

ughhhh.

 

 

 

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com <mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Frank:

 

This happened to me once.  It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.  I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.  Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.

 

Regards,

 

Mike

?Come on you Irons!?

 

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.

Albion Technical Services

W5918 Hackbarth Rd

Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

 

Cell:  630-202-0065

Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com <mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com> 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3

 

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.

took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.

just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up

any thoughts on where to look next?

 

Frank

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 19:21:46 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 20:21:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <000801d73bb4$e387f850$aa97e8f0$@cox.net>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DM5PR11MB1755D283F73F5C3ED1EA0383A0419@DM5PR11MB1755.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
 <443233386.628841.1619550990267@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B3397425-5DD2-4866-987D-104EDAAC6F1B@albiontechnical.com>
 <235157621.759302.1619561715007@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000801d73bb4$e387f850$aa97e8f0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aabCaEi7W=aax8nBpRpxDCQOA6sgQXSwnZ4mQnSzLV_zA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this directly.  I know somebody said
drum brakes can self engage.  I believe they actually tend to do this when
they are too loose and they catch and wedge, have you adjusted the brakes?,
sorry if this was mentioned and I missed it.

I had a similar head scratcher issue on my old Austin Healey and strangely
enough it went away when I did a thorough check and adjustment of the
parking brake, I know it is the brake adjuster that should determine the
position of the shoes when the parking brake is at rest, but nevertheless
that is when my problem went away.

Greg Lemon
TR250



On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:30 PM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:

> Frank,
>
>
>
> I?d start with the hose, old ones can flex internally and collapse.
>
>
>
> Alternatively, your M. Cylinder may have failed and may not be allowing
> the return of fluid on release,  I had this happen on a TR6 with one of
> those recalled TRW master cylinders about 10 years ago.
>
>
>
> Ma
>
>
>
> On cars with an adjustable length master cylinder rod, the rod can be too
> long, preventing the return of fluid ? had this happen on Jag XK?s.
> Getting the rod adjusted perfectly was a PITA.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Fisher
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:15 PM
> *To:* Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
> *Cc:* Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] locking brake TR3
>
>
>
> i try not to use the brakes, but occasionally some bone head gets in the
> way
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:20:07 PM PDT, Michael Marr <
> mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Then I would look at the hose on that side, as Keith Stewart suggested.
>
>
>
> I didn?t think you used the brakes, anyway!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 14:16, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> thanks
>
> i took the drum off 2 weekends ago.
>
> did not see any leakage.
>
> everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the
> shoes in place still there.
>
> re-set the adjustment when i put things back.
>
>
>
> ughhhh.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <
> mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Frank:
>
>
>
> This happened to me once.  It turned out that I had a leaking brake
> cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with
> brake fluid.  I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to
> lock onto the drum.  Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are
> losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for
> signs of leakage.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> ?Come on you Irons!?
>
>
>
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
>
> Albion Technical Services
>
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
>
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
>
>
>
> Cell:  630-202-0065
>
> Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Fisher
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
> *To:* Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] locking brake TR3
>
>
>
> my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.
>
> took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.
>
> just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up
>
> any thoughts on where to look next?
>
>
>
> Frank
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 28 09:43:58 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 15:43:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aabCaEi7W=aax8nBpRpxDCQOA6sgQXSwnZ4mQnSzLV_zA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <808935026.690705.1619542943424.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <808935026.690705.1619542943424@mail.yahoo.com>
 <DM5PR11MB1755D283F73F5C3ED1EA0383A0419@DM5PR11MB1755.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
 <443233386.628841.1619550990267@mail.yahoo.com>
 <B3397425-5DD2-4866-987D-104EDAAC6F1B@albiontechnical.com>
 <235157621.759302.1619561715007@mail.yahoo.com>
 <000801d73bb4$e387f850$aa97e8f0$@cox.net>
 <CAFtw3aabCaEi7W=aax8nBpRpxDCQOA6sgQXSwnZ4mQnSzLV_zA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1141094400.919180.1619624638115@mail.yahoo.com>

 thanks Gregyes, i did re-adjust the brakes.2 weekends ago i pulled the drum off to check and see if anything was astray.no wet spotsshoe was held intact with the little clipy things.put the drum back on and adjust.
so if the hose has become a one way valve, why would it only lock up rear left, and even on just moderate braking.weakest link in the chain?
im at the point where im going to replace master cylinder, hose and slave cylinder.just be done with it
thanks
frank



    On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 06:23:04 PM PDT, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I don't know if anyone has mentioned this directly.? I know somebody said drum brakes can self engage.? I believe they actually tend to do this when they are too loose and they catch and wedge, have you adjusted the brakes?, sorry if this was mentioned and I missed it.
I had a similar head scratcher issue on my old Austin Healey and strangely enough it went away when I did a thorough check and adjustment of the parking brake, I know it is the brake adjuster that should determine the position of the shoes when the parking brake is at rest, but nevertheless that is when my problem went away.
Greg LemonTR250



On Tue, Apr 27, 2021, 5:30 PM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:


Frank,

?

I?d start with the hose, old ones can flex internally and collapse.

?

Alternatively, your M. Cylinder may have failed and may not be allowing the return of fluid on release, ?I had this happen on a TR6 with one of those recalled TRW master cylinders about 10 years ago.

?

Ma

?

On cars with an adjustable length master cylinder rod, the rod can be too long, preventing the return of fluid ? had this happen on Jag XK?s.? Getting the rod adjusted perfectly was a PITA.

?

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:15 PM
To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
Cc: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] locking brake TR3

?

i try not to use the brakes, but occasionally some bone head gets in the way

?

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:20:07 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote: 

?

?

Then I would look at the hose on that side, as Keith Stewart suggested.? 

?

I didn?t think you used the brakes, anyway!

?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

?


On Apr 27, 2021, at 14:16, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:



? 

thanks

i took the drum off 2 weekends ago.

did not see any leakage.

everything looked ok. springs in place, little taby things that hold the shoes in place still there.

re-set the adjustment when i put things back.

?

ughhhh.

?

?

?

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021, 12:11:49 PM PDT, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote: 

?

?

Frank:

?

This happened to me once.? It turned out that I had a leaking brake cylinder and the friction material on the shoes had become saturated with brake fluid.? I was surprised to learn that this will cause the shoes to lock onto the drum.? Check your master cylinder reservoir to see if you are losing fluid, then check the brake cylinder on the side that?s locking, for signs of leakage.

?

Regards,

?

Mike

?Come on you Irons!?

?

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.

Albion Technical Services

W5918 Hackbarth Rd

Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

?

Cell:? 630-202-0065

Email:? mmarr at albiontechnical.com

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:02 PM
To: Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3

?

my rear left brake keeps locking up on me.

took the drum off last weekend and all looked good.

just took it for a run and ,,,,,,ugh. still locks up

any thoughts on where to look next?

?

Frank

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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Wed Apr 28 14:24:01 2021
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:24:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <0eec1272-72df-5e8f-97ca-082ad78b440f@att.net>
References: <0eec1272-72df-5e8f-97ca-082ad78b440f@att.net>
Message-ID: <7B2E45F6-2DD2-40F6-A9C8-1A79DA91F26D@gmail.com>

I agree with this comment. Pull the clip and rubber boot off the wheel cylinder to see if there is rust and corrosion. And yes, straight axle cars have only one hose, so that is probably not it. 
Allen

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?most drum brakes are "self energizing" so if the shoes are not fully returning the forward motion of the car will cause them to engage.  I would make sure that the shoes move freely.  It could be rust in the brake cylinder causing the piston to not return or sticking parking brake components or the like.
> 
> I suppose overzealous adjustment of the shoes could cause this as well.
> 
> 
> Edward Hamer
> 
> Petaluma CA
> 
> 

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 28 14:27:44 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 20:27:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] locking brake TR3
In-Reply-To: <7B2E45F6-2DD2-40F6-A9C8-1A79DA91F26D@gmail.com>
References: <0eec1272-72df-5e8f-97ca-082ad78b440f@att.net>
 <7B2E45F6-2DD2-40F6-A9C8-1A79DA91F26D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <996259067.988075.1619641664322@mail.yahoo.com>

 i will pull as you suggestbut....southern california car. never driven in rain.5 years out of restoration.
best to check..but not thinking this is it.
thanks


    On Wednesday, April 28, 2021, 01:24:43 PM PDT, Allen Hess <allen.k.hess at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I agree with this comment. Pull the clip and rubber boot off the wheel cylinder to see if there is rust and corrosion. And yes, straight axle cars have only one hose, so that is probably not it. 
Allen

> On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:51 PM, Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> ?most drum brakes are "self energizing" so if the shoes are not fully returning the forward motion of the car will cause them to engage.? I would make sure that the shoes move freely.? It could be rust in the brake cylinder causing the piston to not return or sticking parking brake components or the like.
> 
> I suppose overzealous adjustment of the shoes could cause this as well.
> 
> 
> Edward Hamer
> 
> Petaluma CA
> 
> 
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Thu Apr 29 20:31:27 2021
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:31:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] Question?
Message-ID: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>

 I return.

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy.

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall.

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 21:38:34 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:38:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
References: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
Message-ID: <A181F84F-9783-47BA-99A2-4048FCF2810E@yahoo.com>

Welcome back Steve, just finished rebuilding a 1954 Morgan with the TR3 engine. 
1. 5 quarts with the stock oil pan
2. I like the WIX filter, same as NAPA brand.  
3. Yes, 20-50 is the oil of majority choice. I use Valvoline VR-1. 

Bill B
TS30800L

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:

?  I return. 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton 
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 22:28:11 2021
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:28:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
References: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGHfK=LJBODJYz0tVRzTj1-m+AZGwiN9OkmnmJMyubj=A@mail.gmail.com>

The manual specifies 11 Imperial pints which are 20 ounces each.  That
equates to 6.875 US quarts.

So have 7 quarts on hand and expect to use most of it.

Geo

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:32 PM Steve Thornton <
sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:

>  I return.
>
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a
> 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR
> worthy.
>
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.
>
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?
>
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most
> people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better
> version as I recall.
>
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Steven O. Thornton
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 30 07:30:06 2021
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:30:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
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Message-ID: <d844b860-0c94-b04c-d669-6edd3165f437@earthlink.net>

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 
Ford Mustang V6.? You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.? 
This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K

On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
> ?I return.
>
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought 
> a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me 
> somewhat TR worthy.
>
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.
>
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?
>
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter 
> most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a 
> better version as I recall.
>
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Steven O. Thornton
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>
>
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From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 08:44:44 2021
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (David B Hammond)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:44:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
References: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
Message-ID: <000901d73dcf$5d141200$173c3600$@com>

Steve

I think the capacity is about 6 quarts

I think WIX filters rate well

Dave in Oregon

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Thornton
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 7:31 PM
To: TR List; John Swauger; Darell Floyd
Subject: [TR] Question?

 

 I return.  

 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 



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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Apr 30 09:05:30 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:05:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <d844b860-0c94-b04c-d669-6edd3165f437@earthlink.net>
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First of all, don?t use FRAM.  Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

 

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.  51516  or 51438.  The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.  Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

 

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.  Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

 

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic> 

 

They have dropped the price $2!  Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

 

Here is the filter:  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151 <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195> &catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

 

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic  because blah blah blah.  Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.  I change the oil and filter about once a year.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

 

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.  You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.  This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K

On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:

 I return.  

 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 





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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Apr 30 09:25:25 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:25:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Question?
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I agree with Dave regarding Fram oil filters. I have been running the Purolator L20195 filters in my TR4A for a few years now and also change the filter and oil each year. 
Regarding oil, I have been using Brad Penn 20-59 wt. but that is strictly my personal preference. Generally speaking, people who own these types of cars change their oil and filters often enough that as long as you use an oil containing additional zinc you will be fine.
Dave Connitt 
?67 TR4A 
DavesTR4A. com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> First of all, don?t use FRAM.  Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.
>  
> WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.  51516  or 51438.  The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.  Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.
>  
> For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.  Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.
>  
> Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts
>  
> They have dropped the price $2!  Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.
>  
> Here is the filter:  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195
>  
> I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic  because blah blah blah.  Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.  I change the oil and filter about once a year.
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
> To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
>  
> For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.  You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.  This info should let you pick your favorite brand.
> 
> Brian K
> 
> On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
>  I return. 
>  
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 
>  
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 
>  
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 
>  
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 
>  
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  
>  
> Steven O. Thornton 
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>  
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 30 09:52:06 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:52:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
Message-ID: <006301d73dd8$c6c63df0$5452b9d0$@uprichard.net>

It's a cold and rainy day here in Michigan - very Irish.  Killing time
looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1g
dxoh
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1
gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the
trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250.
Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Fri Apr 30 10:18:30 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:18:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <004501d73dd2$43506e10$c9f14a30$@ranteer.com>
References: <D66E80C8-EED1-4202-A102-526E1455084D@stevethorntonlaw.com>
 <d844b860-0c94-b04c-d669-6edd3165f437@earthlink.net>,
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Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB146163FB173DE958C3B91BA8FA5E9@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

FYI ? my local NAPA has Valvoline 20-50 VR1 on sale for $4.79 a quart, as a ?Monthly Special?. Headed there now?.

Cliff


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From: dave<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:06 AM
To: 'TR List'<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

First of all, don?t use FRAM.  Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.  51516  or 51438.  The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.  Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.  Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts<https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic>

They have dropped the price $2!  Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

Here is the filter:  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic  because blah blah blah.  Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.  I change the oil and filter about once a year.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.  You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.  This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K
On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
 I return.

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy.

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall.

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?


Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630



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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Apr 30 10:53:35 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:53:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Andrew,

Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?

The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I 
dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the 
hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? 
No photos of interior or engine bay.

Bob

On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>
> It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing time 
> looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>
> Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges 
> on the trunk/boot either. No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct 
> for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 30 11:36:34 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:36:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
In-Reply-To: <9e46ef43-925a-b7d4-8f03-68ead3f78bce@adelphia.net>
References: <006301d73dd8$c6c63df0$5452b9d0$@uprichard.net>
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Message-ID: <008f01d73de7$5fbdc150$1f3943f0$@uprichard.net>

If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.  Interesting that the
car has SU carbs - that's not original.

 

Andrew

 

From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands

 

Andrew,

Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?

The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont
believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And
didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of
interior or engine bay. 

Bob

On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net
<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>  wrote:

It's a cold and rainy day here in Michigan - very Irish.  Killing time
looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1g
dxoh
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1
gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the
trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250.
Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan





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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Apr 30 11:44:33 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:44:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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$45K for a non-overdrive car is pretty ambitious. Nice looking 250 though. 
We hope to hit 70 degrees today here in Cincinnati, and weathermen are well, you know..
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:38 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.  Interesting that the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?
>  
> Andrew
>  
> From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
> To: auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
>  
> Andrew,
> 
> Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?
> 
> The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of interior or engine bay.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.  Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>  
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>  
> Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Fri Apr 30 11:59:01 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:59:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
In-Reply-To: <008f01d73de7$5fbdc150$1f3943f0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006301d73dd8$c6c63df0$5452b9d0$@uprichard.net>
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Some "TR250" badges are missing from the rear fenders, some from the 
boot lid.? Dash looks basically right.? I think it is too glossy and the 
latch on the glove box is from a TR4 or 4A not a 250.? 250s did not have 
the finger pull on the bottom.? Steering wheel is not a TR250 wheel - 
original ones had the spokes covered with padded vinyl.

Roger

On 4/30/2021 12:36 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>
> If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.? Interesting that 
> the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?
>
> Andrew
>
> *From:* Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
> *To:* auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
>
> Andrew,
>
> Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?
>
> The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I 
> dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the 
> hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? 
> No photos of interior or engine bay.
>
> Bob
>
> On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net 
> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>     It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing
>     time looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>
>     https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>     <https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
>
>     Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate
>     badges on the trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look
>     to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>
>     Andrew Uprichard
>
>     Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Fri Apr 30 12:05:14 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:05:14 +0100
Subject: [TR] [6pack]  Too much time on my hands
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Looks fairly convincing and the commission number is in a genuine format. Don?t recall the range but this car looks like one of the last numerically. Exceptions are:

Steering wheel looks like one from a 4a as there?s no black cover over the spokes.
Triumph word across bonnet and not the squarish TR250 plate offset to the left as per steering wheel.
No bonnet stripe. Pity.
No reflective stripes on the hood but then you only got a factory hood or tonneau in white or black and this looks like a double duck hood in blue. Wouldn?t worry me but then I hate cars that strive for the original look.
Fuel filler doesn?t look quite right though 250s and all US 6?s had different filler caps to rest of world models
Instrument panel definitely non standard but then the originals were awful anyway and looked mostly like stained plywood.
They got the colour right. Valencia Blue was as common as hog**** in 68.
Price looks outrageous and it ought to have overdrive for that much.

Jonmac

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> On 30 Apr 2021, at 18:36, <auprichard at uprichard.net> <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.  Interesting that the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?
>  
> Andrew
>  
> From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
> To: auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
>  
> Andrew,
> 
> Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?
> 
> The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of interior or engine bay.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.  Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>  
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>  
> Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Apr 30 12:20:33 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:20:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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I thought you were done getting new cars.? ;-)

Dave 
 
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It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 ?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 ?

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?

 ?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 30 12:21:39 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:21:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack]  Too much time on my hands
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I don?t see a vin:  should it not be on the driver?s front inner fender wheel well? 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 2:05 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net
Cc: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] Too much time on my hands

 

Looks fairly convincing and the commission number is in a genuine format. Don?t recall the range but this car looks like one of the last numerically. Exceptions are:

 

Steering wheel looks like one from a 4a as there?s no black cover over the spokes.

Triumph word across bonnet and not the squarish TR250 plate offset to the left as per steering wheel.

No bonnet stripe. Pity.

No reflective stripes on the hood but then you only got a factory hood or tonneau in white or black and this looks like a double duck hood in blue. Wouldn?t worry me but then I hate cars that strive for the original look.

Fuel filler doesn?t look quite right though 250s and all US 6?s had different filler caps to rest of world models

Instrument panel definitely non standard but then the originals were awful anyway and looked mostly like stained plywood.

They got the colour right. Valencia Blue was as common as hog**** in 68.

Price looks outrageous and it ought to have overdrive for that much.

 

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.


On 30 Apr 2021, at 18:36, <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:

If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.  Interesting that the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?

 

Andrew

 

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands

 

Andrew,

Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?

The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of interior or engine bay. 

Bob

On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>  wrote:

It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.  Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh <https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500> &LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan






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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 30 12:23:25 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:23:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Just because you are on a diet doesn?t mean you can?t look at the menu ?

 

And then there is this TR4 in Washington state: https://www.nweuro.com/1963-triumph-tr4..........

 

Dreamin?

 

Andrew

 

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 2:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands

 

I thought you were done getting new cars.  ;-)

Dave

 

On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:52, auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> 

<auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:

It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.  Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh <https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500> &LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.  No stripe.  But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

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From tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 30 12:24:01 2021
From: tomislav.marincic at earthlink.net (Tomislav Marincic)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:24:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Underhood shots look OK, original chrome valve cover is correct for a 250. Grill is TR250, not 4A I think. ISTR my 250 had its commission number on a plate on the front inside fender? No commission number in the ad either-Red Flag!

I went to look at a ?TR250" years ago that had a commission number that started with CT. I also traded a spare TR6 engine for a set of wire wheels in 1981 to a guy with a TR4 that was building a 250. Lotsa bitsa.




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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Apr 30 12:26:44 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:26:44 -0400
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The 250 grille doesn?t have the hole for the crank handle.  But I have a TR4A grill just like the one on this car if anyone wants to buy it??.

 

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 2:24 PM
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Underhood shots look OK, original chrome valve cover is correct for a 250. Grill is TR250, not 4A I think. ISTR my 250 had its commission number on a plate on the front inside fender? No commission number in the ad either-Red Flag!

 

I went to look at a ?TR250" years ago that had a commission number that started with CT. I also traded a spare TR6 engine for a set of wire wheels in 1981 to a guy with a TR4 that was building a 250. Lotsa bitsa.

 

 

 

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr 30 12:28:43 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:28:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Pretty obviously not a real TR-250, but a cobbled up 4A with a six 
banger.? Odd no photos of the engine bay.

mjb.



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From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 20:51:07 +0000
Subject: [TR] Question?
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All-


Thanks everyone for the help.

It appears the collective wisdom has led me to select Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, a Wix filter, and carefully measuring 5 quarts of oil and adding as the dipstick requires. I feel much more informed about what I am doing, thanks to YOU.

I suppose with the VR1 oil there is no need to use the TRF zinc additive, right?

This post reminds me of all of the people who were so quick to help others that we have lost over the years. Fred Thomas quickly comes to mind, among others.

Many thanks! Once again.



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On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

? I agree with Dave regarding Fram oil filters. I have been running the Purolator L20195 filters in my TR4A for a few years now and also change the filter and oil each year.
Regarding oil, I have been using Brad Penn 20-59 wt. but that is strictly my personal preference. Generally speaking, people who own these types of cars change their oil and filters often enough that as long as you use an oil containing additional zinc you will be fine.
Dave Connitt
?67 TR4A
DavesTR4A. com

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
First of all, don?t use FRAM.  Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.  51516  or 51438.  The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.  Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.  Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts<https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic>

They have dropped the price $2!  Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

Here is the filter:  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic  because blah blah blah.  Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.  I change the oil and filter about once a year.

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.  You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.  This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K
On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
 I return.

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy.

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall.

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Apr 30 15:35:22 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 21:35:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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 Hmmm.? I see a few concour deductions.


Quite an investment in that one.? 
 
Dave 

 
 
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On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:52, auprichard at uprichard.net<auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:?https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500?Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct??Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 22:06:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 104
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Hi, I remember 4-5 quarts with my TR3A. I get it from Kendall in Oil City, PA. It's cheaper than TRF and has ZDDP. Have fun, Joe? 917 232 1555 

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 02:31:27 +0000
From: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>
To: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, John Swauger
??? <jswauger at comcast.net>, Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: [TR] Question?
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 I return.

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy.

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall.

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 22:38:34 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>
Cc: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>, John Swauger
??? <jswauger at comcast.net>, Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
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Welcome back Steve, just finished rebuilding a 1954 Morgan with the TR3 engine. 
1. 5 quarts with the stock oil pan
2. I like the WIX filter, same as NAPA brand.? 
3. Yes, 20-50 is the oil of majority choice. I use Valvoline VR-1. 

Bill B
TS30800L

#dontkillgrandma

On Apr 29, 2021, at 9:32 PM, Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:

?? I return. 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton 
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:28:11 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>
Cc: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
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The manual specifies 11 Imperial pints which are 20 ounces each.? That
equates to 6.875 US quarts.

So have 7 quarts on hand and expect to use most of it.

Geo

On Thu, Apr 29, 2021, 7:32 PM Steve Thornton <
sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> wrote:

>? I return.
>
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a
> 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR
> worthy.
>
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.
>
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?
>
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most
> people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better
> version as I recall.
>
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Steven O. Thornton
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 06:30:06 -0700
From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>, TR List
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>, John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>, Darell
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For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 
Ford Mustang V6.? You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.? 
This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K

On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
> ?I return.
>
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought 
> a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me 
> somewhat TR worthy.
>
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.
>
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?
>
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter 
> most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a 
> better version as I recall.
>
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> Steven O. Thornton
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 07:44:44 -0700
From: "David B Hammond" <dbh97530 at gmail.com>
To: "'Steve Thornton'" <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>, "'TR List'"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "'John Swauger'" <jswauger at comcast.net>,
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Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
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Steve

I think the capacity is about 6 quarts

I think WIX filters rate well

Dave in Oregon

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Thornton
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2021 7:31 PM
To: TR List; John Swauger; Darell Floyd
Subject: [TR] Question?

 

 I return.? 

 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:05:30 -0500
From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
To: "'TR List'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
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First of all, don?t use FRAM.? Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

 

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.? 51516? or 51438.? The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.? Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

 

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.? Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

 

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic> 

 

They have dropped the price $2!? Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

 

Here is the filter:? https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151 <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195> &catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

 

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic? because blah blah blah.? Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.? I change the oil and filter about once a year.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

 

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.? You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.? This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K

On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:

 I return.? 

 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 





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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:25:25 -0400
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
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I agree with Dave regarding Fram oil filters. I have been running the Purolator L20195 filters in my TR4A for a few years now and also change the filter and oil each year. 
Regarding oil, I have been using Brad Penn 20-59 wt. but that is strictly my personal preference. Generally speaking, people who own these types of cars change their oil and filters often enough that as long as you use an oil containing additional zinc you will be fine.
Dave Connitt 
?67 TR4A 
DavesTR4A. com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> First of all, don?t use FRAM.? Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.
>? 
> WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.? 51516? or 51438.? The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.? Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.
>? 
> For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.? Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.
>? 
> Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts
>? 
> They have dropped the price $2!? Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.
>? 
> Here is the filter:? https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195
>? 
> I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic? because blah blah blah.? Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.? I change the oil and filter about once a year.
>? 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
> To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
>? 
> For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.? You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.? This info should let you pick your favorite brand.
> 
> Brian K
> 
> On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
>? I return. 
>? 
> After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 
>? 
> I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 
>? 
> 1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 
>? 
> 2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 
>? 
> 3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?
>? 
>? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>? 
>? 
> Steven O. Thornton 
> Attorney at Law
> Thornton Law Office
> 1011 Lehman Avenue
> Bowling Green, KY. 42103
> 270-781-6630
>? 
> 
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:52:06 -0400
From: <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: <6pack at autox.team.net>,??? <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Too much time on my hands
Message-ID: <006301d73dd8$c6c63df0$5452b9d0$@uprichard.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

It's a cold and rainy day here in Michigan - very Irish.? Killing time
looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1g
dxoh
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1
gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the
trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct for a 250.
Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 16:18:30 +0000
From: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>, 'TR List' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?
Message-ID:
??? <CY4PR14MB146163FB173DE958C3B91BA8FA5E9 at CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
??? 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

FYI ? my local NAPA has Valvoline 20-50 VR1 on sale for $4.79 a quart, as a ?Monthly Special?. Headed there now?.

Cliff


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: dave<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 9:06 AM
To: 'TR List'<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

First of all, don?t use FRAM.? Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.? 51516? or 51438.? The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.? Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.? Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts<https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic>

They have dropped the price $2!? Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

Here is the filter:? https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic? because blah blah blah.? Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.? I change the oil and filter about once a year.

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net>; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.? You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.? This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K
On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:
 I return.

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy.

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help.

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold?

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall.

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?


Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630



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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:53:35 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: auprichard at uprichard.net, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Andrew,

Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?

The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I 
dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the 
hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? 
No photos of interior or engine bay.

Bob

On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>
> It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing time 
> looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>
> Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges 
> on the trunk/boot either. No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct 
> for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:36:34 -0400
From: <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: "'Bob'" <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: <6pack at autox.team.net>,??? "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.? Interesting that the
car has SU carbs - that's not original.

 

Andrew

 

From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> 
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands

 

Andrew,

Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?

The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont
believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And
didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of
interior or engine bay. 

Bob

On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net
<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>? wrote:

It's a cold and rainy day here in Michigan - very Irish.? Killing time
looking at various cars and came across this 250:

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1g
dxoh
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1
gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500

 

Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the
trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct for a 250.
Is that dash correct?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan





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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 13:44:33 -0400
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: auprichard at uprichard.net
Cc: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>, Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,
??? 6pack at autox.team.net
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$45K for a non-overdrive car is pretty ambitious. Nice looking 250 though. 
We hope to hit 70 degrees today here in Cincinnati, and weathermen are well, you know..
Dave Connitt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 1:38 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.? Interesting that the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?
>? 
> Andrew
>? 
> From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
> To: auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
>? 
> Andrew,
> 
> Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?
> 
> The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? No photos of interior or engine bay.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
> It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing time looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>? 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>? 
> Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate badges on the trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>? 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:59:01 -0500
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
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Some "TR250" badges are missing from the rear fenders, some from the 
boot lid.? Dash looks basically right.? I think it is too glossy and the 
latch on the glove box is from a TR4 or 4A not a 250.? 250s did not have 
the finger pull on the bottom.? Steering wheel is not a TR250 wheel - 
original ones had the spokes covered with padded vinyl.

Roger

On 4/30/2021 12:36 PM, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:
>
> If you scroll down you will see additional pictures.? Interesting that 
> the car has SU carbs ? that?s not original?
>
> Andrew
>
> *From:* Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, April 30, 2021 12:54 PM
> *To:* auprichard at uprichard.net; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Too much time on my hands
>
> Andrew,
>
> Insane price. Are the 250's really worth that amount?
>
> The hood doesnt have the stripe in the front so it has been painted. I 
> dont believe the 250's had the TRIUMPH name in chrome letters on the 
> hood. And didn't the trunk have a 250 logo? Or maybe the rear fenders? 
> No photos of interior or engine bay.
>
> Bob
>
> On 4/30/21 11:52 AM, auprichard at uprichard.net 
> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>
>? ? It?s a cold and rainy day here in Michigan ? very Irish.? Killing
>? ? time looking at various cars and came across this 250:
>
>? ? https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
>? ? <https://www.ebay.com/itm/203348631355?hash=item2f5885df3b%3Ag%3A1pgAAOSw4j1gdxoh&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500>
>
>? ? Looks like a TR4 hood/bonnet and 4A grille with no appropriate
>? ? badges on the trunk/boot either.? No stripe.? But the seats look
>? ? to be correct for a 250. Is that dash correct?
>
>? ? Andrew Uprichard
>
>? ? Jackson, Michigan
>
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 30 17:19:20 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 19:19:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] Question?
In-Reply-To: <5E745107-859E-427E-A045-FE64C1A08C7C@stevethorntonlaw.com>
References: <3563F6B1-7225-4F06-B51C-228E3C60F7E4@fuse.net>
 <5E745107-859E-427E-A045-FE64C1A08C7C@stevethorntonlaw.com>
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No need for zinc additive with Valvoline racing oil.  I use the regular , non synthetic 20w50 and change out every year.  +1 on the Wix or Napa filter.  They and the oil are on amazon.

Jim Henningsen  

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Steve Thornton
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 4:51 PM
To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
Cc: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

 

All-

 

 

Thanks everyone for the help.  

 

It appears the collective wisdom has led me to select Valvoline VR1 Racing Oil, a Wix filter, and carefully measuring 5 quarts of oil and adding as the dipstick requires. I feel much more informed about what I am doing, thanks to YOU. 

 

I suppose with the VR1 oil there is no need to use the TRF zinc additive, right?

 

This post reminds me of all of the people who were so quick to help others that we have lost over the years. Fred Thomas quickly comes to mind, among others. 

 

Many thanks! Once again. 

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 





On Apr 30, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net <mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net> > wrote:

? I agree with Dave regarding Fram oil filters. I have been running the Purolator L20195 filters in my TR4A for a few years now and also change the filter and oil each year.  

Regarding oil, I have been using Brad Penn 20-59 wt. but that is strictly my personal preference. Generally speaking, people who own these types of cars change their oil and filters often enough that as long as you use an oil containing additional zinc you will be fine.

Dave Connitt 

?67 TR4A 

DavesTR4A. com

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 11:06 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

? 

First of all, don?t use FRAM.  Those filters are very low quality and don?t have a drainback valve.

 

WIX, and NAPA (same filter) are excellent choices.  51516  or 51438.  The NAPA number is 1516 or 1438.  Also Purolator L20195 will work. the spin on adapter for all TRs, MGA, MGB, etc all use the same filter.

 

For oil you can get the Valvoline Full Synthetic Racing Oil 20w-50 from advance auto; has the zddp you need.  Unfortunately Advance Auto doesn?t carry WIX but they do carry the Purolator so you can get it all in one order with free shipping.

 

Valvoline VR1 Racing 20W-50 Full Synthetic Motor Oil, 1 Quart 679082: Advance Auto Parts <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50%20full%20synthetic> 

 

They have dropped the price $2!  Free shipping for orders over $35, which is about what you will need.

 

Here is the filter:  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151 <https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/web/SearchResults?storeId=10151&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195> &catalogId=10051&langId=-1&searchTerm=purolater%20L20195

 

I have heard people say that you shouldn?t use racing oil or synthetic  because blah blah blah.  Been using it for decades in my cars and they still run strong oil pressure.  I change the oil and filter about once a year.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Brian Kemp
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:30 AM
To: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com <mailto:sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com> >; TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; John Swauger <jswauger at comcast.net <mailto:jswauger at comcast.net> >; Darell Floyd <TR250Driver at aol.com <mailto:TR250Driver at aol.com> >
Subject: Re: [TR] Question?

 

For the filter, if it is the same as the TR6 spin on, look up a 1996 Ford Mustang V6.  You should get the Fram PH3600 and similar models.  This info should let you pick your favorite brand.

Brian K

On 4/29/2021 7:31 PM, Steve Thornton wrote:

 I return.  

 

After a long hibernation, I am back in the British car world. I bought a 1956 Morgan, that sports a TR4 motor. Hopefully, that makes me somewhat TR worthy. 

 

I am doing some routine maintenance and need your help. 

 

1. How many quarts of oil does a TR4 motor hold? 

 

2. I installed the spin on filter adaptor. What is the best filter most people use? I bought the TRF version, but it seems there is a better version as I recall. 

 

3. Is the oil weight used still 20-50, with the zinc additive from TRF?

 

 

Sent from my iPhone 

 

 

Steven O. Thornton 

Attorney at Law

Thornton Law Office

1011 Lehman Avenue

Bowling Green, KY. 42103

270-781-6630

 






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From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (David Brady)
Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 00:52:06 +0000
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