[TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Ideas, anyone?

[Stan Foster]

That is absolutely true for the TR2-TR6 at least. There are flats in the rear cam bearing that provide the pumping action. If you install cam bearings in a TR6 you have to be sure to align the hole in the bearing with the oil feed hole to the head otherwise the rocker gear will have no oil feed. If you run the oil pump with a drill you will observe no oil getting to the head but that is not a cause for concern.

Stan

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Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Ideas, anyone?

If you spin an oil pump with a long screwdriver bit on a drill, you will get oil pressure, but no feed to the head, which makes me think the rear cam bearing is just responsible for the latter.  But I could be wrong.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

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Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Ideas, anyone?

Don't know for sure on TR4's but some engines source their oil pressure from the rear cam bearing, not the oil pump, mains or rod bearings. Where does the TR4 source it's oil pressure? If it comes from the rear cam bearing and if that clearance is excessive it could result in a very low pressure at idle with hot oil. Oil pumps are volumetric flow pumps not necessarily pressure pumps, so you might be fine if the oil pressure gauge senses it's pressure indication from the rear cam bearing. Just a thought.

Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Ideas, anyone?


Thanks for al the suggestions.  Gauge is good, have tried a new oil pump.   I think the next step is to plastigauge the bearings and check the rocker shaft, as suggested.  Then I guess the engine will have to come out. Sigh.....



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Subject: RE: [TR] Ideas, anyone?



Was the crankshaft cut down by a previous owner for use with undersize bearing shells? I saw this happen in a Nuffield tractor once. Great oil pressure at startup but diminishing quickly as the oil thinned out.



Alex Thomson



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Subject: [TR] Ideas, anyone?



Having (I think) sorted out the problem with the TR4, I took a recently-finished TR3B out for its second inaugural drive.



The first inaugural drive went pretty well, but once the engine temp came up, the oil pressure fell like a stone - and here we are talking around 40psi at 3000rpm and almost nothing at (what was hot) idle. Adjusting the pressure with the screw on the oil filter head did nothing.



I checked everything over, even pulled the oil pan and checked all the bearings (one main and 4 rods) - all perfect.  I really didn't find anything, and the specs on the oil pump looked good, but I ordered a new pump as well as a new spring for the Purolator oil filter head (the valve itself is no longer obtainable).



So today when I first took it out, the pressure was almost too high - around 90 at 3000 rpm.  But as soon as the engine warmed up, it again dropped to scary levels. No leaks, no oil in water or vice versa.



I am running out of ideas here.  Could it be a bad oil filter head?  Anything else?



Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan
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