From dmericas at gmail.com  Wed Jan  1 12:54:49 2020
From: dmericas at gmail.com (Dean Mericas)
Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
Message-ID: <3D51629D-3D80-44B6-9EEF-01C3BD216362@gmail.com>

I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.

Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular conversion?

Thanks. 

Dean Mericas
1965 TR4
Austin, TX

From spamiam at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 12:27:29 2020
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 14:27:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1577991603.6532.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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It is indeed pricey.  But it appears to be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter stuff ready to go.  The only way it would be better as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder. 

So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, the price is not terrible.

It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota transmissions may well be ?used up?,not just ?used?. And they are hard to find.  

For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a friend of mine puts it...   as rare as rocking horse manure.   He may not actually have used the word ?manure?. 

So I like this Miata option!

Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.  

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
> From: Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
> Message-ID: <3D51629D-3D80-44B6-9EEF-01C3BD216362 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
> 
> Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular conversion?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Dean Mericas
> 1965 TR4
> Austin, TX


From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  2 13:26:18 2020
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 20:26:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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References: <mailman.15.1577991603.6532.triumphs@autox.team.net>,
 <A151E0F8-CBA0-439E-9165-208447B8F28C@comcast.net>
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Not sure there is any real world TR experience yet, this is a very new development - only installed on the MG side so far from what I gather.

Here is the website to the UK manufacturer:
https://www.vitesse-ltd.com/


Here are the gear ratios they quote on one of their TR pages:

The Mazda MX-5 gearbox perfectly compliments a wide range of classic vehicles, offering a great set of ratios that allow for near-optimal power usage.

Gear    Ratio - Mazda Transmission
1       3.136
2       1.888
3       1.330
4       1.000
5       0.814


________________________________

Cheers,
Randy DeRuiter

Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.

-Tony

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From spamiam at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 16:46:04 2020
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 18:46:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny.    I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been ?direct?, like the TR?s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of overdrive. 

Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Miata unit!

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an '04 MX5 with the 6 speed, and it is low.  6th gear at 60mph, the engine is turning 3K.   Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach. 
> Bryan
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
>> It is indeed pricey.  But it appears to be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter stuff ready to go.  The only way it would be better as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder. 
>> 
>> So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, the price is not terrible.
>> 
>> It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota transmissions may well be ?used up?,not just ?used?. And they are hard to find.  
>> 
>> For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a friend of mine puts it...   as rare as rocking horse manure.   He may not actually have used the word ?manure?. 
>> 
>> So I like this Miata option!
>> 
>> Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.  
>> 
>> -Tony
>> 
>> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>> 
>> > On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> > 
>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
>> > From: Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com>
>> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> > Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
>> > Message-ID: <3D51629D-3D80-44B6-9EEF-01C3BD216362 at gmail.com>
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> > 
>> > I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
>> > 
>> > Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular conversion?
>> > 
>> > Thanks. 
>> > 
>> > Dean Mericas
>> > 1965 TR4
>> > Austin, TX
>> 
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Jan  2 16:58:30 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 16:58:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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On 1/2/2020 4:46 PM, Anthony Rhodes wrote:
> Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD 
> tranny. ? ?I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have 
> been ?direct?, like the TR?s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of 
> overdrive.
>
> Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to 
> the Miata unit!
>
Umm, the final drive depends upon the rear end ratio, which must be 
higher in the Miata than the TR.? In fact, the old Miata 6-speeds (circa 
`93 or so) had a quite numerically high Ist and a quite low 6th, making 
them ideal for running numerically low rear ends, if revs/mile is a concern.

This one is advertised as having a 0.814 5th gear, which would put it in 
your ballpark.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From spamiam at comcast.net  Thu Jan  2 16:59:15 2020
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 18:59:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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Ah that makes sense that top gear would be Overdrive. I was hoping for a higher OD ratio.  

The stock OD is 22% (I.e. 0.78). Slightly better than 0.81 if you have the torque for it.  My TR4A has a nice torque-y engine and I am pretty sure it would be quite happy at 0.75 and maybe even a lower ratio than that.  So, for $4K I think, personally,  I would have my tranny rebuilt and retrofitted with the electric OD

-Tony


Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Not sure there is any real world TR experience yet, this is a very new development - only installed on the MG side so far from what I gather.
> 
> Here is the website to the UK manufacturer:
> https://www.vitesse-ltd.com/
> 
> Here are the gear ratios they quote on one of their TR pages:
> 
> The Mazda MX-5 gearbox perfectly compliments a wide range of classic vehicles, offering a great set of ratios that allow for near-optimal power usage. 
> 
> Gear	Ratio - Mazda Transmission 
> 1	3.136
> 2	1.888
> 3	1.330
> 4	1.000
> 5	0.814
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy DeRuiter
> 
> Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.  
> 
> -Tony
> 
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  2 17:06:18 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:06:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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 well they do include the driveshaft. a proper drive shaft.looks like it uses the hydraulic throw out bearing. i have never liked the idea of that.?when i built my own i used the original triumph slave cylinder. heck of a lot easier to replace.and the gear lever looks funky. when i did mine i cut the top off the toyota lever and welded the top from a ebay bought triumph lever. weld hides under the rubber boot. cant tell the difference.
just my thoughts


    On Thursday, January 2, 2020, 03:46:23 PM PST, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny. ? ?I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been ?direct?, like the TR?s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of overdrive.?
Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Miata unit!
-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> wrote:



?As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an '04 MX5 with the 6 speed, and it is low. ?6th gear at 60mph, the engine is turning 3K. ? Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach.?Bryan
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:

It is indeed pricey.? But it appears to be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter stuff ready to go.? The only way it would be better as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder. 

So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, the price is not terrible.

It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota transmissions may well be ?used up?,not just ?used?. And they are hard to find.? 

For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a friend of mine puts it...? ?as rare as rocking horse manure.? ?He may not actually have used the word ?manure?. 

So I like this Miata option!

Does anyone know the gear ratios?? The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.? 

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
> From: Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
> Message-ID: <3D51629D-3D80-44B6-9EEF-01C3BD216362 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? charset=utf-8
> 
> I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
> 
> Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular conversion?
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Dean Mericas
> 1965 TR4
> Austin, TX

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From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Jan  3 05:39:59 2020
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 07:39:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
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Even if the ENGINE may not mind cruising at 4K rpm, I do not.   

The Toyota tranny is quoted at 80 MPH at 3K RPM.  I think this correlates with 5th gear ratio of 0.75.  I would love to have that ratio on the Miata transmission.  

Some trannies have optional gear sets to select your ratios to suit your needs.  Maybe Miata offers a similar option.  

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jan 2, 2020, at 10:19 PM, Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I don't know, Tony.  I'm not sure what the ratio numbers are, I do know that that little 4 banger just buzzes on and on, doesn't seem to mind the high reves at all, redlines at 7K, where the TR6 is at 5500, if I'm not mistaken.  I really don't think that the TR6 engine would enjoy 4K at 80 mph, but I could be wrong.  I was once. :-)
> Bryan
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:46 PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Hmmm. 3K rpm at 60 MPH is about what my 4th gear is on my non-OD tranny.    I would have thought that the Miata 5th gear might have been ?direct?, like the TR?s 4th. And 6th would be some sort of overdrive. 
>> 
>> Without having 20-30% overdrive then there is no great advantage to the Miata unit!
>> 
>> -Tony
>> 
>> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>> 
>>>> On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bryan Loy <paradisemusicnc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> As far as gear ratios go, I can't say, numbers wise, but I have an '04 MX5 with the 6 speed, and it is low.  6th gear at 60mph, the engine is turning 3K.   Pretty much 20MPH for every 1K on the tach. 
>>> Bryan
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> It is indeed pricey.  But it appears to be a complete new transmission and all the required adapter stuff ready to go.  The only way it would be better as a conversion is if it retained the original space cylinder.
>>>> 
>>>> So for a complete new modern (hopefully long life) overdrive transmission, the price is not terrible.
>>>> 
>>>> It is likely a better solution than the HVDA because those old Toyota transmissions may well be ?used up?,not just ?used?. And they are hard to find.  
>>>> 
>>>> For me, I found the right Toyota transmission to be as rare as ... as a friend of mine puts it...   as rare as rocking horse manure.   He may not actually have used the word ?manure?. 
>>>> 
>>>> So I like this Miata option!
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone know the gear ratios?  The Moss description does not indicate the ratios.  
>>>> 
>>>> -Tony
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>>>> 
>>>> > On Jan 2, 2020, at 2:02 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>>> > 
>>>> > Message: 1
>>>> > Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2020 13:54:49 -0600
>>>> > From: Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com>
>>>> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>>>> > Subject: [TR] Experience with Vitesse 5-speed transmission conversion?
>>>> > Message-ID: <3D51629D-3D80-44B6-9EEF-01C3BD216362 at gmail.com>
>>>> > Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>>> > 
>>>> > I see that Moss now carries an a 5-speed transmission conversion that appears to use Miata internals in a custom case and bell housing. It isn?t cheap, but as an apparent drop in replacement I think the installed cost may be about the same as the Toyota-based HVDA kit.
>>>> > 
>>>> > Does anyone on the list have first hand experience with this particular conversion?
>>>> > 
>>>> > Thanks. 
>>>> > 
>>>> > Dean Mericas
>>>> > 1965 TR4
>>>> > Austin, TX
>>>> 
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From Arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Fri Jan  3 10:34:26 2020
From: Arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:34:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB6422927F878286CA6F225F0AA9230@BYAPR05MB6422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Today is my last day at Moss Motors.  31 years at Moss, most of the last 50 in auto parts - Whew!   Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will be great once we settle in.
Will still be on the list from my personal account.
See you on the road, keep the oily side down!

Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6


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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan  3 11:03:21 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 11:03:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
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Congrats!  Enjoy the retirement.

> On January 3, 2020 at 10:34 AM Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Today is my last day at Moss Motors.  31 years at Moss, most of the last 50 in auto parts - Whew!   Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will be great once we settle in.
> 
>     Will still be on the list from my personal account.
> 
>     See you on the road, keep the oily side down!
> 
>      
> 
>     Peter Arakelian ? 1971 TR6
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 


 

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Fri Jan  3 12:19:17 2020
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 12:19:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
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I never thought about out working my doctor, dentist, or parts 
suppliers... dang. Benn with Andy for at least 30 years, I reckon he's a 
short timer too. Sigh

On 1/3/2020 10:34 AM, Pete Arakelian wrote:
>
> Today is my last day at Moss Motors.? 31 years at Moss, most of the 
> last 50 in auto parts - Whew!?? Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, 
> but will be great once we settle in.
>
> Will still be on the list from my personal account.
>
> See you on the road, keep the oily side down!
>
> Peter Arakelian ? 1971 TR6
>
>
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Fri Jan  3 12:38:00 2020
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 14:38:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
Message-ID: <2a90445abbecb11b08937df07568ce64@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations on your retirement Peter.



While you were always careful to respect boundaries, your presence on the
list helped many of us. It was helpful when you would alert folks about
parts that had been thought unavailable, and to provide feedback from the
list to Moss about particular parts.



Best wishes,



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada



On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:34:26 Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
wrote:

>Today is my last day at Moss Motors.  31 years at Moss, most of the last
50 in auto parts - Whew!   Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will
be great once we settle in.

>Will still be on the list from my personal account.

>See you on the road, keep the oily side down!

>

>Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6
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From staffel at comcast.net  Fri Jan  3 12:50:01 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 14:50:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Retirement- Peter - Moss
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1578081008.2824.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Peter- Retirement means TRIUMPH and other Fun Projects. Enjoy each day working for yourself and 'Honey Dos'.Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD & Goldvein VA65 TR4 CT50054LOriginal owner( last 65 imported per VTR)Restored 1998-2000 with all Moss supplied Parts (floorboards to wiring to top).?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan  3 12:53:36 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 13:53:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
In-Reply-To: <2a90445abbecb11b08937df07568ce64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a90445abbecb11b08937df07568ce64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCB470D0-03D8-4ED3-990D-5FE948EE2EC1@flash.net>

Congratulations Peter, there?s a whole  new world out there now, enjoy it in a Triumph!
Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 

?
Congratulations on your retirement Peter.
 
While you were always careful to respect boundaries, your presence on the list helped many of us. It was helpful when you would alert folks about parts that had been thought unavailable, and to provide feedback from the list to Moss about particular parts.
 
Best wishes,
 
Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
 
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:34:26 Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:
>Today is my last day at Moss Motors.  31 years at Moss, most of the last 50 in auto parts - Whew!   Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will be great once we settle in.
>Will still be on the list from my personal account.
>See you on the road, keep the oily side down!
> 
>Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6
 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan  3 12:53:36 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 13:53:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
In-Reply-To: <2a90445abbecb11b08937df07568ce64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2a90445abbecb11b08937df07568ce64@mail.gmail.com>
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Congratulations Peter, there?s a whole  new world out there now, enjoy it in a Triumph!
Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 3, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 

?
Congratulations on your retirement Peter.
 
While you were always careful to respect boundaries, your presence on the list helped many of us. It was helpful when you would alert folks about parts that had been thought unavailable, and to provide feedback from the list to Moss about particular parts.
 
Best wishes,
 
Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
 
On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 17:34:26 Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:
>Today is my last day at Moss Motors.  31 years at Moss, most of the last 50 in auto parts - Whew!   Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will be great once we settle in.
>Will still be on the list from my personal account.
>See you on the road, keep the oily side down!
> 
>Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6
 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jan  3 13:19:00 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 20:19:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB6422927F878286CA6F225F0AA9230@BYAPR05MB6422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR05MB6422927F878286CA6F225F0AA9230@BYAPR05MB6422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <2041660037.4202470.1578082740627@mail.yahoo.com>

 Congratulations on your retirement.? I have always enjoyed your posts and reality checks on the list.? Don't be a stranger.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
To: 'triumphs at autox.team.net' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 3, 2020 11:36 am
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT

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From smithw1 at optonline.net  Fri Jan  3 17:48:21 2020
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 19:48:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
Message-ID: <67.BC.01732.BD0EF0E5@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

All the best on your retirement, Pete.? If you're married,? be aware of the insidious and all-consuming "Honey-do" list.? After 12 years of retirement, I still don't know how I had time to work. :-)Bill Smith'72 TR6?'80 TR7?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  3 21:17:07 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 04:17:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] RETIREMENT
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB6422927F878286CA6F225F0AA9230@BYAPR05MB6422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR05MB6422927F878286CA6F225F0AA9230@BYAPR05MB6422.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1316600964.4297013.1578111427895@mail.yahoo.com>

 way to go Peter.i have my countdown timer working on my phone.looking forward to my time is my time ..time
frank
    On Friday, January 3, 2020, 09:36:47 AM PST, Pete Arakelian <arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:  
 
  
Today is my last day at Moss Motors.? 31 years at Moss, most of the last 50 in auto parts - Whew!?? Gonna be different, kinda of anxious, but will be great once we settle in.
 
Will still be on the list from my personal account.
 
See you on the road, keep the oily side down!
 
 ?
 
Peter Arakelian ? 1971 TR6
 
 ?
 
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Sat Jan  4 12:40:03 2020
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:40:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
Message-ID: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>

   Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that Moss
sells for $29.99 and the 

one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price
discrepancy)? They appear the same 

in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the one
they sell is made in Italy? Can 

the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?  Thanks.  

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  4 13:13:00 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 12:13:00 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
References: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <541ab79d-1d34-7328-ea2d-7771ce258b65@earthlink.net>

Dennis - Not sure about the Moss pump.? I was fortunate to use a rebuild 
kit on my original pump.

 From the TRF TR6 glovebox catalog at
http://trf.zeni.net/TR6-TR250GB/116.php


"You Will Find None of These at Competing Vendors"
Yes, there are cheap repro fuel pumps on the market.? Some have no 
priming lever, and some have left our customers and friends stranded.? 
TRF's pumps come from Italy, and they are replicas of original AC 
pumps.? When the time comes, you can also rebuild them with original 
rebuild components.? TRF's rebuild kits have the correct diaphragms, not 
ones that are made upside down.? We include higher quality valves too, 
and the oil seals that keep fuel out of your crankcase.? TRF's fuel 
filters are genuine AC filters with metal cases.? That is why they cost 
just a little more.? Before I forget to say it, please never throw away 
an original AC fuel pump. Someone will want it, even just for some of 
the parts.



On 1/4/2020 11:40 AM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
>
> ?? Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that 
> Moss sells for $29.99 and the
>
> one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price 
> discrepancy)? They appear the same
>
> in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe 
> the one they sell is made in Italy? Can
>
> the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?? Thanks.
>
> Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Jan  4 13:33:44 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:33:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
References: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <b3c7406d-4944-ed00-ed04-2020b96c48e8@adelphia.net>

Dennis,

I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why 
not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic 
pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And 
no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry 
if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever.

Bob

On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
>
> ?? Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that 
> Moss sells for $29.99 and the
>
> one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price 
> discrepancy)? They appear the same
>
> in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe 
> the one they sell is made in Italy? Can
>
> the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?? Thanks.
>
> Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U
>
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 14:31:53 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 14:31:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] tap size help
Message-ID: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>

I need a tap and a die for the post and nut on a Lucas sft576 auxiliary 
light and I don't know what size it is. Looks to be 5/8ths by a super 
fine thread. It is finer than national fine. Anyone have any idea what 
size I'm looking for?

Thanks,

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Jan  4 14:53:20 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:53:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] tap size help
In-Reply-To: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
References: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC578110-A94F-42B9-9AF6-66F78BD85B6B@flash.net>

Did you look at British Pipe Straight threads?

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 3:32 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
I need a tap and a die for the post and nut on a Lucas sft576 auxiliary light and I don't know what size it is. Looks to be 5/8ths by a super fine thread. It is finer than national fine. Anyone have any idea what size I'm looking for?

Thanks,

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Jan  4 14:53:20 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:53:20 -0600
Subject: [TR] tap size help
In-Reply-To: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
References: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC578110-A94F-42B9-9AF6-66F78BD85B6B@flash.net>

Did you look at British Pipe Straight threads?

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 3:32 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
I need a tap and a die for the post and nut on a Lucas sft576 auxiliary light and I don't know what size it is. Looks to be 5/8ths by a super fine thread. It is finer than national fine. Anyone have any idea what size I'm looking for?

Thanks,

TeriAnn

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan  4 15:12:18 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 15:12:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] tap size help
In-Reply-To: <FC578110-A94F-42B9-9AF6-66F78BD85B6B@flash.net>
References: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
 <FC578110-A94F-42B9-9AF6-66F78BD85B6B@flash.net>
Message-ID: <330252cc-dbd9-720c-7dc9-0192db336a2d@gmail.com>

On 1/4/20 2:53 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Did you look at British Pipe Straight threads?

With a little research I'm currently guessing BSB 5/8 by 26. I have a 24 
and 27 thread gauges and they almost fit. But I'm not positive.


>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 3:32 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
> ???
>
> I need a tap and a die for the post and nut on a Lucas sft576 
> auxiliary light and I don't know what size it is. Looks to be 5/8ths 
> by a super fine thread. It is finer than national fine. Anyone have 
> any idea what size I'm looking for?
>
> Thanks,
>
> TeriAnn
>
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sat Jan  4 15:22:11 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2020 16:22:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] tap size help
In-Reply-To: <330252cc-dbd9-720c-7dc9-0192db336a2d@gmail.com>
References: <cb48c1d3-f13f-1c37-745a-6bf9f9123bd0@gmail.com>
 <FC578110-A94F-42B9-9AF6-66F78BD85B6B@flash.net>
 <330252cc-dbd9-720c-7dc9-0192db336a2d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac3b0edb-f9c2-9173-d3f7-002832caa11e@rmi.net>

According to this site: 
http://www.bobine.nl/jaguar/13-electrical/fog-lamps-as-optional-extra-for-xk-140/
They are BSC??- 26 tpi which is British Standard Bicyle thread. So, it 
sounds like you have it right.

Roger

On 1/4/2020 4:12 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 1/4/20 2:53 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
>> Did you look at British Pipe Straight threads?
>
> With a little research I'm currently guessing BSB 5/8 by 26. I have a 
> 24 and 27 thread gauges and they almost fit. But I'm not positive.
>
>
>>> On Jan 4, 2020, at 3:32 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> ???
>>
>> I need a tap and a die for the post and nut on a Lucas sft576 
>> auxiliary light and I don't know what size it is. Looks to be 5/8ths 
>> by a super fine thread. It is finer than national fine. Anyone have 
>> any idea what size I'm looking for?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jan  5 07:42:34 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 14:42:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack]  TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <b3c7406d-4944-ed00-ed04-2020b96c48e8@adelphia.net>
References: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
 <b3c7406d-4944-ed00-ed04-2020b96c48e8@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <2000901121.4533587.1578235354764@mail.yahoo.com>

 +1
I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended).
That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for concours reasons.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
To: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps

 Dennis, I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever. Bob
  On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
  
 
#yiv4155371012 #yiv4155371012 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv4155371012 #yiv4155371012 p.yiv4155371012MsoNormal, #yiv4155371012 li.yiv4155371012MsoNormal, #yiv4155371012 div.yiv4155371012MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv4155371012 a:link, #yiv4155371012 span.yiv4155371012MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv4155371012 a:visited, #yiv4155371012 span.yiv4155371012MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv4155371012 span.yiv4155371012EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv4155371012 .yiv4155371012MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv4155371012 div.yiv4155371012WordSection1 {} #yiv4155371012  ?? Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that Moss sells for $29.99 and the  one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price discrepancy)? They appear the same  in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the one they sell is made in Italy? Can  the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?? Thanks. ? Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U 
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Jan  5 13:33:07 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:33:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ref: Tap Size Help
References: <27a599a7-88b9-ada8-037e-9a1cc3b48092.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <27a599a7-88b9-ada8-037e-9a1cc3b48092@att.net>

There are "Standard" threads that are much finer than National Fine.

Here is a link to a supplier

https://holesawsunlimited.com/category/345/page/2

I had to purchase a 9/16" ultra fine to retread the top of the steering 
column in my Stag.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Jan  5 13:47:28 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:47:28 -0800
Subject: [TR] OD Switch problem
References: <27bdc3c7-bdb2-aee3-9747-f594a0b749f1.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <27bdc3c7-bdb2-aee3-9747-f594a0b749f1@att.net>

I replaced the shifter mounter OD switch in my Stag a while ago and was 
having issues with it.  I purchased another new Lucas unit from a 
different vendor and had the same problem.

What was happening was that unless you pushed down on the button as you 
engaged the switch the contact would not flip to the on position.  A 
couple drops of oil and a lot of cycles and both of my switches are 
working now.  I am not sure if it is a lack of lubrication or just the 
grease getting more viscous during storage.

The problem is not hard to detect with the switch out of the car.  You 
should hear a distinct click as you move the switch just before the 
button reaches the ON position.  If you do not hear it click often 
pressing down on the button causes the contact to "click" in.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Jan  5 14:58:04 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 15:58:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <2000901121.4533587.1578235354764@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
 <b3c7406d-4944-ed00-ed04-2020b96c48e8@adelphia.net>
 <2000901121.4533587.1578235354764@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3ff8d86e-2a19-fefe-1294-b22a7f6c97c4@rmi.net>

We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of MGs,? 
which come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a 
spare electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails.? It 
hasn't happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was 
normal for for at least one electric pump to go out on the drive.? There 
has never been a mechanical pump failure that I recall.

I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my 
wife's TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. 
Although, I did have to repair the one on the TR250, by staking the 
valve in place.

I am happy with the mechanical ones.

Roger


On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> +1
>
> I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it 
> hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended).
>
> That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for 
> concours reasons.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
> To: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
>
> Dennis,
> I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but 
> why not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an 
> electronic pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. 
> Zero issues. And no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to 
> the block. No worry if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever.
> Bob
> On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
> ?? Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that 
> Moss sells for $29.99 and the
> one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price 
> discrepancy)? They appear the same
> in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe 
> the one they sell is made in Italy? Can
> the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this? Thanks.
> Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Jan  5 15:53:03 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 16:53:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <3ff8d86e-2a19-fefe-1294-b22a7f6c97c4@rmi.net>
References: <003b01d5c336$c3418900$49c49b00$@optonline.net>
 <b3c7406d-4944-ed00-ed04-2020b96c48e8@adelphia.net>
 <2000901121.4533587.1578235354764@mail.yahoo.com>
 <3ff8d86e-2a19-fefe-1294-b22a7f6c97c4@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aahmzEyzdmstoFYA6h2oyyfA=NL6GOhYLsra_EYBufDyw@mail.gmail.com>

The grass is always greener.  Lengthy discussions on the Healey list of how
to plumb and wire a back up electric pump so that the back up is ready to
go, or running double headed SU pumps as used on Jaguar and other more high
end cars.

I have had plenty of both, they have their benefits and drawbacks, but I
always felt they balanced out well enough to just stay with whatever the
car came with, or it's aftermarket equivalent.

I do like the tic tic tic of the SU as it fills up your float bowls after a
long sit, much easier than opening the hood and point the priming lever,
which I am usually to lazy to do.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020, 3:58 PM Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

> We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of MGs,  which
> come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a spare
> electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails.  It hasn't
> happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was normal for for
> at least one electric pump to go out on the drive.  There has never been a
> mechanical pump failure that I recall.
>
> I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my wife's
> TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. Although, I did
> have to repair the one on the TR250, by staking the valve in place.
>
> I am happy with the mechanical ones.
>
> Roger
>
>
> On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> +1
>
> I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it hasn't
> missed a beat (no pun intended).
>
> That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for concours
> reasons.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net> <6pack at autox.team.net>
> To: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net> <dctr6 at optonline.net>; 6pack
> <6pack at autox.team.net> <6pack at autox.team.net>
> Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
>
> Dennis,
> I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why
> not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic pump
> on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And no oil
> leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry if the cam
> is too warn out to operate the lever.
> Bob
> On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
>
>    Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that
> Moss sells for $29.99 and the
> one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price
> discrepancy)? They appear the same
> in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the
> one they sell is made in Italy? Can
> the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?  Thanks.
> Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U
>
>
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From: dave at ranteer.com (dave at ranteer.com)
Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2020 19:04:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jan  6 05:47:57 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:47:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
References: <765617855.4747786.1578314877744.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <765617855.4747786.1578314877744@mail.yahoo.com>

 Those SU pumps had a major weakness, the points.? The points get dirty and no longer conduct current to the coil.? The modern after market pumps are electronic and have no such problem.? Plus, these new pumps have no seals or diaphragms that can cause a leak.? I've had two mechanical pumps fail on me although not the catastrophic failure where your crankcase gets filled with gasoline.? Not a possibility with an electric pump.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps

 We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of MGs,? which come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a spare electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails.? It hasn't happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was normal for for at least one electric pump to go out on the drive.? There has never been a mechanical pump failure that I recall.
  I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my wife's TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. Although, I did have to repair the one on the TR250, by staking the valve in place.
  I am happy with the mechanical ones.
  Roger
  
  On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
  
 
  +1 
  I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended). 
  That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for concours reasons.
   
  Dave 
 
   
   
  -----Original Message-----
 From: Bob via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
 To: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
 Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
 Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
 
   Dennis, I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever. Bob
   On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:
  
 
    #yiv8696829280 -- filtered {}#yiv8696829280 filtered {}#yiv8696829280 p.yiv8696829280MsoNormal, #yiv8696829280 li.yiv8696829280MsoNormal, #yiv8696829280 div.yiv8696829280MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8696829280 a:link, #yiv8696829280 span.yiv8696829280MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8696829280 a:visited, #yiv8696829280 span.yiv8696829280MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8696829280 span.yiv8696829280EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv8696829280 .yiv8696829280MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8696829280 filtered {}#yiv8696829280 div.yiv8696829280WordSection1 {}#yiv8696829280    ?? Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that Moss sells for $29.99 and the  one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price discrepancy)? They appear the same  in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the one they sell is made in Italy? Can  the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?? Thanks. ? Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U     
   
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 09:38:03 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <20200105190415.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.b81e448616.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
References: <20200105190415.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.b81e448616.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
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On 1/5/20 7:04 PM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
> we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the 
> car a short time.? she bought it from the original owner and never 
> even transferred the title.
>
> she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay 
> out in the country.
>
> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell 
> housing.? someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and 
> never came back.? so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.? no rust, no 
> damage, 6 cylinder engine (just like a TR6!).

Makes me glad I also have a Land Rover which has a proper Gurling/Lucas 
slave cylinder outside the bellhousing. Those front shackles look pretty 
anemic. Like they just might bend when driving off camber. If it were 
me, once it was running I'd have a Jeep specialty shop look at them to 
see if they would hold up in real off road life. They are not something 
you would want to bend or snap out in the middle of nowhere.

TeriAnn
1960 TR3A owned since 1986
1960 Land Rover owned sine 1978

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan  6 10:20:50 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 09:20:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <20200105190415.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.b81e448616.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
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Message-ID: <42438C0B5DA248B086D5BACF303C508A@RYPC>

> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the 
> bell housing. 

The funny part, to me, is how many people seem to think that's an
improvement.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 



From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan  6 10:33:00 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:33:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps
In-Reply-To: <765617855.4747786.1578314877744@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <765617855.4747786.1578314877744.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <765617855.4747786.1578314877744@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C8603FC5ACC46ABA63A30A5B8B32093@VlackTK121647>

Friends,

Years ago (mid 70?s) I was given a TR6 with a blown engine. Didn?t know why the engine had gone bad.  The previous / previous owner had taken it to shop for some reason and they did a Valve Job. A friend bought it and we swapped some stuff and I ended up with the car. Pulled the engine and found the rod bearings badly worn, one was blue from heat and at least 1 rod needed re-sized along with a crank regrind. Put it all back together, fired it up and began driving it. Checked the oil a week later and it was UP not down. Smelled it and strong gasoline smell. Turns out the cause of everything was a stock fuel pump; pumping gas into the crankcase and thinning the oil. Promptly replaced the pump with a new stock one and drove the car for several months until I sold it. I had my 4A and didn?t need 2 TR?s at the time. I liked that car but it was starting to rust in all the logical places. Moral is smell your oil every time you check it.

JVV

From: DAVID MASSEY 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:47 AM
To: elliottr at rmi.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps

Those SU pumps had a major weakness, the points.  The points get dirty and no longer conduct current to the coil.  The modern after market pumps are electronic and have no such problem.  Plus, these new pumps have no seals or diaphragms that can cause a leak.  I've had two mechanical pumps fail on me although not the catastrophic failure where your crankcase gets filled with gasoline.  Not a possibility with an electric pump.


Dave 




-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2020 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps


We go on a drive (400 - 600 miles) every year with a bunch of MGs,  which come electric pumps, and Triumphs. Most, if not all, MGs carry a spare electric pump that they can put in line quickly if one fails.  It hasn't happened in the last few years, but for quite a while it was normal for for at least one electric pump to go out on the drive.  There has never been a mechanical pump failure that I recall.

I think, we have replaced the mechanical pump in my Spitfire and my wife's TR250 once each in over 30 years of owning both of them. Although, I did have to repair the one on the TR250, by staking the valve in place.

I am happy with the mechanical ones.

Roger


On 1/5/20 8:42 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:

+1


I've run the same electric pump on my TR6 since the 1990's and it hasn't missed a beat (no pun intended).


That said, I still have the original style pump on the TR3 for concours reasons.


Dave 




-----Original Message-----
From: Bob via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
To: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2020 2:36 pm
Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR250/TR6 fuel pumps


Dennis,
I know this issue has been thrown around since the lists started but why not convert to an electronic pump? I have been running an electronic pump on my 3 for 20 years, my 4 for 15 and my 6 for 10. Zero issues. And no oil leaks from the pump or where it attaches to the block. No worry if the cam is too warn out to operate the lever.
Bob

On 1/4/20 2:40 PM, dctr6 at optonline.net wrote:

   Does anybody know what the difference is between the fuel pump that Moss sells for $29.99 and the 
one that the Roadster Factory sells for $99 (besides the $70 price discrepancy)? They appear the same 
in the catalogs. I have traditionally bought from TRF and I believe the one they sell is made in Italy? Can 
the recently retired Peter Arkelian shed any light on this?  Thanks.  
Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U


 
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From italyfound at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 11:10:43 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 13:10:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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As far as off roading wouldn?t that be a protective measure??just saying?

Alex Manzo

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From: Randall
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph

> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the 
> bell housing. 

The funny part, to me, is how many people seem to think that's an
improvement.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jan  6 11:18:45 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:18:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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 True but mounting the slave on the top side of the transmission (a la Spitfire) would do the same thing.
The internal slave is an annular cylinder that surrounds the transmission input shaft and directly operates the throw-out bearing.? This eliminates the linkage, crank-arm and fork found on the TR's and fewer parts = more reliability.? Or so goes the formula.
Oh, yeah, no taper pin the break.
 
Dave?
All the Ford's I've owned with manual transmissions have cable-operated clutches.? Hmm.

 
 
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Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph ?> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the > bell housing.  ?The funny part, to me, is how many people seem to think that's animprovement. ?-- Randall 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild  ? ?** triumphs at autox.team.net ** ?Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive ?Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/italyfound at gmail.com ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Jan  6 11:55:52 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 18:55:52 -0000
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
Message-ID: <b6664b33-a112-4440-9d08-186edfedd144@me.com>

It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road vehicle.

My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A,?and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota BJ42 Land Cruiser. ?It's?right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.


Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:

we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car a short time.? she bought it from the original owner and never even transferred the title.

she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay out in the country.

on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.? someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came back.? so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.? no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder engine (just like a TR6!).

we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted to get it.? i think we are going to love it!

we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.

wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!


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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 12:02:12 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 12:02:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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On 1/6/20 11:10 AM, Italyfound wrote:
>
> As far as off roading wouldn???t that be a protective 
> measure??????just saying?
>
No if it is tucked you beside or above the bellhousing. You have a LOT 
of other parts that would be mangled first.

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Jan  6 12:09:03 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 14:09:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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Not really ? The external slave cylinder is generally located on or near the centerline of the transmission input shaft. That?s pretty far up to receive interaction with rocks, etc. I?ve put kits in a number of trucks with an external cylinder. Sure beats removing drive shafts, transfer case, transmission just for a $25 kit or even a $100 complete unit.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Italyfound
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2020 1:11 PM
To: Randall; 'Triumphs'
Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph

 

As far as off roading wouldn?t that be a protective measure??just saying?

 

Alex Manzo

 

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From: Randall <mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph

 

> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the 

> bell housing. 

 

The funny part, to me, is how many people seem to think that's an

improvement.

 

-- Randall 

56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver

71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild

71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

 

 

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 12:12:06 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 13:12:06 -0600
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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Indeed, Rye, the alternative to my TR3B is a Toyota product I happily take
into the backcountry -- I have two "real" 4WD vehicles (defined as having a
transfer case, and both Tacomas), and my most civilized vehicle is also
all-wheel drive (a RX350).  Here's my 2003 Toyota Tacoma double cab.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:05 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

> It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road vehicle.
>
> My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A, and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota
> BJ42 Land Cruiser.  It's right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.
>
> [image: MyLCPismo2019.jpg]
> Rye
> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
>
> On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
>
> we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car a
> short time.  she bought it from the original owner and never even
> transferred the title.
>
> she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay out
> in the country.
>
> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.
> someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came
> back.  so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.  no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder
> engine (just like a TR6!).
>
> we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted to
> get it.  i think we are going to love it!
>
> we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and
> figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.
>
> wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!
>
>
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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Jan  6 12:20:11 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2020 19:20:11 -0000
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
Message-ID: <2e24e48f-e065-40f4-9e9d-8c0e33fd7218@me.com>

I know this is getting way off topic, but I can't help myself. ?My daily driver is a 2011 Tacoma, and my wife has a 2010 4Runner. ?Great trucks.

To comment on the original topic, as others have said, the clutch slave on the 4x4s I have are?not the lowest hanging fruit to get mangled on a rock.?That Jeep design seems pretty odd and expensive to dismantle to repair.

Rye



On January 6, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed, Rye, the alternative to my TR3B is a Toyota product I happily take into the backcountry -- I have two "real" 4WD vehicles (defined as having a transfer case, and both Tacomas), and my most civilized vehicle is also all-wheel drive (a RX350).? Here's my 2003 Toyota Tacoma double cab.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:05 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road vehicle.

My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A,?and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota BJ42 Land Cruiser.? It's?right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:

we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car a short time.? she bought it from the original owner and never even transferred the title.

she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay out in the country.

on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.? someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came back.? so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.? no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder engine (just like a TR6!).

we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted to get it.? i think we are going to love it!

we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.

wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!


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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 13:04:09 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:04:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 2:31 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

> . That Jeep design seems pretty odd and expensive to dismantle to repair.
>
>
"It's a Jeep thing.  You wouldn't understand..."
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 13:21:31 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 14:21:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <2e24e48f-e065-40f4-9e9d-8c0e33fd7218@me.com>
References: <2e24e48f-e065-40f4-9e9d-8c0e33fd7218@me.com>
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My 2015 Tacoma and I just returned from two weeks in New Mexico, including
visits to White Sands National Park on its first day as our nation's newest
NP and again for sunrise on the first day of the new year.


(Note those tracks in the dunes are NOT mine.)

Regarding Jeep YJ Wranglers of that era -- I spent many years with a 1989
Wrangler and found it to be a pretty tough vehicle, including off-roading
in the Sierras.  The worst part of that Jeep was the carburetor on the
4.2:L engine.  We ended up installing Mopar's trottle body iinjection
upgrade and it helped enormously.  Not cheap though.

With the doors off they're just about as much fun as a sidescreen TR.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:20 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

> I know this is getting way off topic, but I can't help myself.  My daily
> driver is a 2011 Tacoma, and my wife has a 2010 4Runner.  Great trucks.
>
> To comment on the original topic, as others have said, the clutch slave on
> the 4x4s I have are not the lowest hanging fruit to get mangled on a
> rock. That Jeep design seems pretty odd and expensive to dismantle to
> repair.
>
> Rye
> [image: Myairstreamtruckboat002.jpg]
>
> On January 6, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, Rye, the alternative to my TR3B is a Toyota product I happily take
> into the backcountry -- I have two "real" 4WD vehicles (defined as having a
> transfer case, and both Tacomas), and my most civilized vehicle is also
> all-wheel drive (a RX350).  Here's my 2003 Toyota Tacoma double cab.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:05 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road
>> vehicle.
>>
>> My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A, and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota
>> BJ42 Land Cruiser.  It's right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.
>>
>> Rye
>> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
>>
>> On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
>>
>> we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car
>> a short time.  she bought it from the original owner and never even
>> transferred the title.
>>
>> she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay
>> out in the country.
>>
>> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.
>> someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came
>> back.  so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.  no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder
>> engine (just like a TR6!).
>>
>> we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted
>> to get it.  i think we are going to love it!
>>
>> we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and
>> figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.
>>
>> wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!
>>
>>
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>>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan  6 16:55:22 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 15:55:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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> It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off 
> road vehicle.

Guilty as charged, tho not quite what you meant :)

BTW, the clutch is under that round cover; pry the cover off then undo six
nuts and the whole clutch comes off in your hands.  You can reline it in an
afternoon, using just hand tools (not even a jack is required).  No clutch
slave at all; the clutch is operated by that big lever sticking up next to
the steering wheel.

I do hope to have it restored some day; but it's been slow going.  Can't
complain about parts availability, though.  Even though it was built in
1949, the dealer had a carb kit, batteries and an oil filter on the shelf.

-- Randall
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Jan  6 17:10:57 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:10:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
Message-ID: <01a401d5c4ee$f04a4f40$d0deedc0$@uprichard.net>

I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone
out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at
it and rebuild it if necessary?

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From stan at redtr6.com  Mon Jan  6 17:21:33 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 00:21:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
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Apple hydraulics ?

http://www.applehydraulics.com/brakes.htm#ukmaster

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder

I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?

Andrew Uprichard
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  6 17:36:03 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 18:36:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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Funny you should mention the carbs; this one has a single weber for all 6 cylinders.

 

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 2:22 PM
To: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
Cc: Dave <dave at ranteer.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph

 

My 2015 Tacoma and I just returned from two weeks in New Mexico, including visits to White Sands National Park on its first day as our nation's newest NP and again for sunrise on the first day of the new year.

  <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jW4Mdjt/0/7b22ff88/X5/i-jW4Mdjt-X5.jpg> 

 

(Note those tracks in the dunes are NOT mine.)

 

Regarding Jeep YJ Wranglers of that era -- I spent many years with a 1989 Wrangler and found it to be a pretty tough vehicle, including off-roading in the Sierras.  The worst part of that Jeep was the carburetor on the 4.2:L engine.  We ended up installing Mopar's trottle body iinjection upgrade and it helped enormously.  Not cheap though.  

 

With the doors off they're just about as much fun as a sidescreen TR. 

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:20 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com <mailto:ryel at mac.com> > wrote:

I know this is getting way off topic, but I can't help myself.  My daily driver is a 2011 Tacoma, and my wife has a 2010 4Runner.  Great trucks.

 

To comment on the original topic, as others have said, the clutch slave on the 4x4s I have are not the lowest hanging fruit to get mangled on a rock. That Jeep design seems pretty odd and expensive to dismantle to repair.

 

Rye




On January 6, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com <mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com> > wrote:

Indeed, Rye, the alternative to my TR3B is a Toyota product I happily take into the backcountry -- I have two "real" 4WD vehicles (defined as having a transfer case, and both Tacomas), and my most civilized vehicle is also all-wheel drive (a RX350).  Here's my 2003 Toyota Tacoma double cab.

  <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vKD8QzB/0/01c1c5c1/X4/i-vKD8QzB-X4.jpg> 

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:05 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com <mailto:ryel at mac.com> > wrote:

It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road vehicle.

 

My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A, and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota BJ42 Land Cruiser.  It's right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.

 

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE


On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>  wrote:

we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car a short time.  she bought it from the original owner and never even transferred the title.

 

she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay out in the country.

 

on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.  someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came back.  so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.  no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder engine (just like a TR6!).

 

we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted to get it.  i think we are going to love it!

 

we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.

 

wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!

 

 

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 18:13:31 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:13:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <42438C0B5DA248B086D5BACF303C508A@RYPC>
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My 97 Ranger has the same set up, a big "oh, hell" when it started leaking
clutch fluid last winter.  Apparently only does when it is below 0 out
(read up on it, fairly common issue) so I top up in the winter and don't
worry in the summer.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 11:27 AM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> > on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the
> > bell housing.
>
> The funny part, to me, is how many people seem to think that's an
> improvement.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
>
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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Mon Jan  6 18:35:37 2020
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 01:35:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
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Andrew:

Apple has done Lockheed master cylinders for me for both the TR2 and TR3.

With one, I had them do the complete job, re-sleeve and new kits.  The other just a re-sleeve.  Very satisfied with both.  Buying your own kits and cleaning up components, re-sleeve is likely a better deal.  Note they don't supply bellows with the rebuild (instead MGA style "cups" over openings).   Also the rings that hold the bellows (two sizes) are NLA.  I sourced suitable rings and would up buying "many" so extras are available should you need them.

If strict originality is not an issue, an MGA style reproduction is readily available for just over $100.  Look is similar but not exact.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
   Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB at QueensU.Ca<mailto:ThomasB at QueensU.Ca>
   92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
   Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR,
   CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920



From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
Sent: January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder

I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jan  6 19:03:12 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 20:03:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
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That Weber single-barrel would have been installed as a replacement for the
original two-barrel Carter BBD.  That Carter carb, with its complicated
emissions systems, needs to be spot-on to work well.  Here's an article
I've just looked over that largely mimics our experience many years ago:
https://www.4wdmechanix.com/Rebuilding-the-YJ-Wrangler-4.2L-BBD-Carburetor?r=1

The Weber may very well be a better setup -- I've no experience with it as
we went TBI.  I'd put carburetors high on your list of things to check as
you recommission your YJ.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Funny you should mention the carbs; this one has a single weber for all 6
> cylinders.
>
>
>
> *From:* Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, January 6, 2020 2:22 PM
> *To:* Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
> *Cc:* Dave <dave at ranteer.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
>
>
>
> My 2015 Tacoma and I just returned from two weeks in New Mexico, including
> visits to White Sands National Park on its first day as our nation's newest
> NP and again for sunrise on the first day of the new year.
>
>
>
> (Note those tracks in the dunes are NOT mine.)
>
>
>
> Regarding Jeep YJ Wranglers of that era -- I spent many years with a 1989
> Wrangler and found it to be a pretty tough vehicle, including off-roading
> in the Sierras.  The worst part of that Jeep was the carburetor on the
> 4.2:L engine.  We ended up installing Mopar's trottle body iinjection
> upgrade and it helped enormously.  Not cheap though.
>
>
>
> With the doors off they're just about as much fun as a sidescreen TR.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:20 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>
> I know this is getting way off topic, but I can't help myself.  My daily
> driver is a 2011 Tacoma, and my wife has a 2010 4Runner.  Great trucks.
>
>
>
> To comment on the original topic, as others have said, the clutch slave on
> the 4x4s I have are not the lowest hanging fruit to get mangled on a
> rock. That Jeep design seems pretty odd and expensive to dismantle to
> repair.
>
>
>
> Rye
>
> [image: Myairstreamtruckboat002.jpg]
>
>
> On January 6, 2020 at 11:12 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, Rye, the alternative to my TR3B is a Toyota product I happily take
> into the backcountry -- I have two "real" 4WD vehicles (defined as having a
> transfer case, and both Tacomas), and my most civilized vehicle is also
> all-wheel drive (a RX350).  Here's my 2003 Toyota Tacoma double cab.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 1:05 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>
> It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off road vehicle.
>
>
>
> My Triumph is a 1960 TR3A, and this my very fun and unique 1982 Toyota
> BJ42 Land Cruiser.  It's right hand drive, diesel, 5-speed.
>
>
>
> Rye
> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
>
>
> On January 6, 2020 at 10:01 AM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
>
> we just picked up an 88 jeep wrangler from an owner who only had the car a
> short time.  she bought it from the original owner and never even
> transferred the title.
>
>
>
> she's not mechanical at all but loves off road stuff and lives waaaaay out
> in the country.
>
>
>
> on an 88 wrangler the clutch slave cylinder is INSIDE the bell housing.
> someone came by to supposedly fix it, tore it all apart, and never came
> back.  so she sold it as is, pretty cheap.  no rust, no damage, 6 cylinder
> engine (just like a TR6!).
>
>
>
> we're not into jeeps at all, but my 30 year old son and his wife wanted to
> get it.  i think we are going to love it!
>
>
>
> we couldn't figure out what was going on until we did the research and
> figured out why it was all taken apart just for a slave cylinder.
>
>
>
> wish us luck as we move forward on it!!!
>
>
>
>
>
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Tue Jan  7 06:03:04 2020
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 08:03:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
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I had a master cylinder rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics years ago now.  The master failed catastrophically on the road and they again rebuilt it, but if failed slowly not long after.  They were really nice folks, but I won?t send any more work their way. 
	Best,
	Bob 

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca> wrote:
> 
> Andrew:
>  
> Apple has done Lockheed master cylinders for me for both the TR2 and TR3. 
>  
> With one, I had them do the complete job, re-sleeve and new kits.  The other just a re-sleeve.  Very satisfied with both.  Buying your own kits and cleaning up components, re-sleeve is likely a better deal.  Note they don?t supply bellows with the rebuild (instead MGA style ?cups? over openings).   Also the rings that hold the bellows (two sizes) are NLA.  I sourced suitable rings and would up buying ?many? so extras are available should you need them.
>  
> If strict originality is not an issue, an MGA style reproduction is readily available for just over $100.  Look is similar but not exact.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Brian    
> _______________________________________________________________________
>    Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB at QueensU.Ca <mailto:ThomasB at QueensU.Ca>
>    92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
>    Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR, 
>    CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920
>  
>  
>  
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
> Sent: January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
>  
> I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jan  7 15:51:04 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 16:51:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
References: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$.ref@flash.net>
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Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I
have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the
2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it
is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with
the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the
crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.

 

Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just
in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be
off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?

 

Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the
flywheel/clutch assembly.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan  7 16:06:08 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 23:06:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
In-Reply-To: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$@flash.net>
References: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <2050242225.5336564.1578438368940@mail.yahoo.com>

 When the clutch is depressed the rest of the drivetrain is out of the picture so everything points to the engine.? 

If one of the clutch cover bolts is missing the imbalance may be quite pronounced.? Let's hope it is something easy like that.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 4:51 pm
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration

&lt;!-- #yiv3717619523 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3717619523 #yiv3717619523 p.yiv3717619523MsoNormal, #yiv3717619523 li.yiv3717619523MsoNormal, #yiv3717619523 div.yiv3717619523MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv3717619523 a:link, #yiv3717619523 span.yiv3717619523MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3717619523 a:visited, #yiv3717619523 span.yiv3717619523MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3717619523 span.yiv3717619523EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv3717619523 .yiv3717619523MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv3717619523 div.yiv3717619523WordSection1 {} --&gt;Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.? I have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the 2500-3000rpm range.? With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it is worse.? Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with the wheels removed.? Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the crank end, no wobble.? Engine mounts are tight. ?Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration? ?Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the flywheel/clutch assembly. ?Thanks,BillTS30800L ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Tue Jan  7 16:08:31 2020
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 23:08:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
In-Reply-To: <7F5E40BA-2438-4EBE-90FF-2CE0BA7D9727@comcast.net>
References: <01a401d5c4ee$f04a4f40$d0deedc0$@uprichard.net>
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Hi Bob,

I?m curious what car this was for?

Brian

From: Rochlin Robert [mailto:rrochlin at comcast.net]
Sent: January 7, 2020 8:03 AM
To: Brian Thomas
Cc: andrew uprichard; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 master cylinder

I had a master cylinder rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics years ago now.  The master failed catastrophically on the road and they again rebuilt it, but if failed slowly not long after.  They were really nice folks, but I won?t send any more work their way.
            Best,
            Bob


On Jan 6, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca<mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca>> wrote:

Andrew:

Apple has done Lockheed master cylinders for me for both the TR2 and TR3.

With one, I had them do the complete job, re-sleeve and new kits.  The other just a re-sleeve.  Very satisfied with both.  Buying your own kits and cleaning up components, re-sleeve is likely a better deal.  Note they don?t supply bellows with the rebuild (instead MGA style ?cups? over openings).   Also the rings that hold the bellows (two sizes) are NLA.  I sourced suitable rings and would up buying ?many? so extras are available should you need them.

If strict originality is not an issue, an MGA style reproduction is readily available for just over $100.  Look is similar but not exact.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
   Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB at QueensU.Ca<mailto:ThomasB at QueensU.Ca>
   92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
   Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR,
   CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920



From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
Sent: January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder

I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jan  7 16:31:41 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 17:31:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
In-Reply-To: <2050242225.5336564.1578438368940@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <003901d5c5b2$9e5663d0$db032b70$@flash.net>

Thanks Dave, I if I have to pull it I hope that the clutch/flywheel is the problem.  Will surely look for missing bolts.

Bill

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:06 PM
To: bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Strange Vibration

 

When the clutch is depressed the rest of the drivetrain is out of the picture so everything points to the engine.  

 

If one of the clutch cover bolts is missing the imbalance may be quite pronounced.  Let's hope it is something easy like that.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net <mailto:bill_beecher at flash.net> >
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 4:51 pm
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration

Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the 2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.

 

Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?

 

Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the flywheel/clutch assembly.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

 

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Tue Jan  7 17:33:40 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 16:33:40 -0800
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
In-Reply-To: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$@flash.net>
References: <002001d5c5ac$f1c16d90$d54448b0$.ref@flash.net>
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Bill,

 

I purchased a TR3 a few years ago with a freshly rebuilt motor.

 

Whoever put that motor together overtightened the 4 bolts holding the
flywheel to the crankshaft.  They broke.

 

Flywheel came off the back of the motor and destroyed the transmission case
in spectacular fashion.  I'm lucky to have escaped injury.

 

Those Morgan clutch pressure plates have 3 "fingers" on them that the
throwout bearing presses against.  I believe it is the same as an Austin
Healey 100 clutch - I've seen a few Morgans and AH's that had one or more of
the fingers missing, which would throw things out of balance - they are held
in place with a pretty fragile spring. 

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration

 

Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I
have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the
2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it
is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with
the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the
crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.

 

Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just
in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be
off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?

 

Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the
flywheel/clutch assembly.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

 

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Jan  7 19:03:01 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 21:03:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <E2DEFA2246114BF5B6D61FF90A91BA26@RYPC>
References: <b6664b33-a112-4440-9d08-186edfedd144@me.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMOZ6dAzvRYDZeQyGG_SPCSkOZNacKNBOCypa408TV0wg@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like the 620 we had at work.  (Actually, we had a brace of them).
Closed the place down, and sold them to some guy in Iowa.

We also sold an old cotton picker.  A guy came 300 miles from Alabama with
a tow bar thingy, hooked up the rear (steer axle) wheels, and towed it back
300 miles home.  In the dark.  I've often wondered how that trip went.  No
worse than some adventures I've had picking up old cars, no doubt.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:03 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>
> > It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off
> > road vehicle.
>
> Guilty as charged, tho not quite what you meant :)
>
> BTW, the clutch is under that round cover; pry the cover off then undo six
> nuts and the whole clutch comes off in your hands.  You can reline it in an
> afternoon, using just hand tools (not even a jack is required).  No clutch
> slave at all; the clutch is operated by that big lever sticking up next to
> the steering wheel.
>
> I do hope to have it restored some day; but it's been slow going.  Can't
> complain about parts availability, though.  Even though it was built in
> 1949, the dealer had a carb kit, batteries and an oil filter on the shelf.
>
> -- Randall
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jan  7 19:58:16 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (Bill Beecher)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:58:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
In-Reply-To: <000001d5c5bb$47c4be50$d74e3af0$@cox.net>
References: <000001d5c5bb$47c4be50$d74e3af0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <038D091C-148A-4E60-98E5-69609F9F6112@flash.net>

This pressure plate looks more like a TR4 plate with multiple fingers, not a three finger TR3.   I have a couple things to try before I open it up, but I?m afraid that?s where I?m headed.  

Thanks,
Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:34 PM, jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
> 

?
Bill,
 
I purchased a TR3 a few years ago with a freshly rebuilt motor.
 
Whoever put that motor together overtightened the 4 bolts holding the flywheel to the crankshaft.  They broke.
 
Flywheel came off the back of the motor and destroyed the transmission case in spectacular fashion.  I?m lucky to have escaped injury.
 
Those Morgan clutch pressure plates have 3 ?fingers? on them that the throwout bearing presses against.  I believe it is the same as an Austin Healey 100 clutch ? I?ve seen a few Morgans and AH?s that had one or more of the fingers missing, which would throw things out of balance ? they are held in place with a pretty fragile spring.
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
 
Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the 2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.
 
Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?
 
Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the flywheel/clutch assembly.
 
Thanks,
Bill
TS30800L
 
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jan  7 19:58:16 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (Bill Beecher)
Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2020 20:58:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
In-Reply-To: <000001d5c5bb$47c4be50$d74e3af0$@cox.net>
References: <000001d5c5bb$47c4be50$d74e3af0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <038D091C-148A-4E60-98E5-69609F9F6112@flash.net>

This pressure plate looks more like a TR4 plate with multiple fingers, not a three finger TR3.   I have a couple things to try before I open it up, but I?m afraid that?s where I?m headed.  

Thanks,
Bill

Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......MMM

> On Jan 7, 2020, at 6:34 PM, jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
> 

?
Bill,
 
I purchased a TR3 a few years ago with a freshly rebuilt motor.
 
Whoever put that motor together overtightened the 4 bolts holding the flywheel to the crankshaft.  They broke.
 
Flywheel came off the back of the motor and destroyed the transmission case in spectacular fashion.  I?m lucky to have escaped injury.
 
Those Morgan clutch pressure plates have 3 ?fingers? on them that the throwout bearing presses against.  I believe it is the same as an Austin Healey 100 clutch ? I?ve seen a few Morgans and AH?s that had one or more of the fingers missing, which would throw things out of balance ? they are held in place with a pretty fragile spring.
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 2:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration
 
Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the 2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.
 
Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?
 
Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the flywheel/clutch assembly.
 
Thanks,
Bill
TS30800L
 
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jan  8 03:56:50 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 05:56:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] be glad you have a triumph
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMOZ6dAzvRYDZeQyGG_SPCSkOZNacKNBOCypa408TV0wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b6664b33-a112-4440-9d08-186edfedd144@me.com>
 <E2DEFA2246114BF5B6D61FF90A91BA26@RYPC>
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Message-ID: <001801d5c612$545f2450$fd1d6cf0$@charter.net>

The A became the 60 in around 1952 which became the 620 in around 56 which became the 630 in 58. Although there were some major changes and improvements over the years, most of the casting numbers on a 630 still retained the prefix letter ?A?.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Scarbrough
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2020 9:03 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: Re: [TR] be glad you have a triumph

 

Looks like the 620 we had at work.  (Actually, we had a brace of them).  Closed the place down, and sold them to some guy in Iowa. 

We also sold an old cotton picker.  A guy came 300 miles from Alabama with a tow bar thingy, hooked up the rear (steer axle) wheels, and towed it back 300 miles home.  In the dark.  I've often wondered how that trip went.  No worse than some adventures I've had picking up old cars, no doubt.

 

Jeff Scarbrough

Corrosion Acres, Ga. 

 

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 7:03 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


> It looks like some of us who have a Triumph, also have an off 
> road vehicle.

Guilty as charged, tho not quite what you meant :)

BTW, the clutch is under that round cover; pry the cover off then undo six
nuts and the whole clutch comes off in your hands.  You can reline it in an
afternoon, using just hand tools (not even a jack is required).  No clutch
slave at all; the clutch is operated by that big lever sticking up next to
the steering wheel.

I do hope to have it restored some day; but it's been slow going.  Can't
complain about parts availability, though.  Even though it was built in
1949, the dealer had a carb kit, batteries and an oil filter on the shelf.

-- Randall
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed Jan  8 10:40:05 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:40:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
Message-ID: <53de01e19d3a00ff474bfe7849968f6055894ac9@webmail>

Mazda B2200 MC has usable bellows rubber! 

	-----------------------------------------From: "Brian Thomas" 
To: "andrew uprichard"
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net"
Sent: Monday January 6 2020 8:35:37PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 master cylinder

	Andrew: 

	Apple has done Lockheed master cylinders for me for both the TR2 and
TR3.  

	With one, I had them do the complete job, re-sleeve and new kits. The
other just a re-sleeve. Very satisfied with both. Buying your own kits
and cleaning up components, re-sleeve is likely a better deal. Note
they don?t supply bellows with the rebuild (instead MGA style
?cups? over openings). Also the rings that hold the bellows (two
sizes) are NLA. I sourced suitable rings and would up buying
?many? so extras are available should you need them. 

	If strict originality is not an issue, an MGA style reproduction is
readily available for just over $100. Look is similar but not exact.  

	Cheers, 

	Brian  

	_______________________________________________________________________


	 Brian Thomas _E-MAIL:_ ThomasB at QueensU.Ca [1]  

	 92 Wyona Lane _PHONE:_ 613-385-1947 

	 Wolfe Island, Ontario _TOYS:_ 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, 01 XKR,  

	 CANADA K0H 2Y0 75 John Deere 920 

	FROM: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] ON BEHALF OF
andrew uprichard
 SENT: January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
 TO: triumphs at autox.team.net
 SUBJECT: [TR] TR2 master cylinder   

	I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.
Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who
could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?

 Andrew Uprichard 

	Jackson, Michigan  

Links:
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jan  8 12:37:21 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 14:37:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is it?
Message-ID: <00f501d5c65b$0c5c5940$25150bc0$@uprichard.net>

Any suggestions on what the black piece hanging down in the center of the
picture is?  Car is a TR5, but I doubt it could be related to the PI system.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jan  8 14:11:16 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 16:11:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Got it !
Message-ID: <01f901d5c668$2ad97350$808c59f0$@uprichard.net>

Thanks to Michael Kutka and David P for pointing out it is a fitting for the
PI air box (a part I haven't yet gotten around to fitting).

 

Great list - and thanks to everyone who replied.

 

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From mkutka at icloud.com  Mon Jan  6 17:29:22 2020
From: mkutka at icloud.com (michael kutka)
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 19:29:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6989981F0FE34CF0430E4CF4FE3F0@MN2PR05MB6989.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <BAB77E22-8B68-4C64-8AFF-653135DD7038@icloud.com>

I agree with Stan. Apple hydraulics would be my choice.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 6, 2020, at 7:21 PM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Apple hydraulics ?
>  
> http://www.applehydraulics.com/brakes.htm#ukmaster
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2020 7:11 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR2 master cylinder
>  
> I have no idea whether the master cylinder on my TR2 is good or not.  Anyone out there have any suggestions on someone / some business who could look at it and rebuild it if necessary?
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jan 11 19:15:24 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 19:15:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] new web page for Lucas auxiliary lamps
Message-ID: <72af1cd3-818d-3800-7d19-ddeea9072881@gmail.com>

If anyone is interested, I just added a new page to my Triumph web site 
that explores the differences between genuine and aftermarket Lucas 576 
series 5-3/4" dia. Lucas fog and driving lights. When the garage gets 
above freezing I intend to add auxiliary lights to my TR3. An amber fog 
lamp and a clear driving lamp powered by switches on a Lucas PS-7 
auxiliary switch panel.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Jan 11 19:29:58 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2020 20:29:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] new web page for Lucas auxiliary lamps
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Great addition, good reference material to your already thorough site.  

 

BTW, still looking for a replacement sealed beam, Lucas LR6 in amber.

 

Bill

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 8:15 PM
To: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] new web page for Lucas auxiliary lamps

 

If anyone is interested, I just added a new page to my Triumph web site that explores the differences between genuine and aftermarket Lucas 576 series 5-3/4" dia. Lucas fog and driving lights. When the garage gets above freezing I intend to add auxiliary lights to my TR3. An amber fog lamp and a clear driving lamp powered by switches on a Lucas PS-7 auxiliary switch panel.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

TeriAnn

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 12 16:08:12 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2020 18:08:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed gear box
Message-ID: <777E8D4E-4C80-48B6-9456-9168C612A5D6@gmail.com>

List,
My friends 81 tr8 gear box is difficult to get into gear while driving., particularly 2nd.  And sometimes reverse.  Synchros? Plastic bushings?  I?m thinking of trying a red line synthetic fluid.  Thoughts please.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala FL


Sent from my iPad

From artfournier4 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 15 06:47:31 2020
From: artfournier4 at gmail.com (Arthur Fournier)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 08:47:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Britain on the Green - April 26, 2020
Message-ID: <CAF2RLw4P+nzMXbL3osqu_e0H6pfHwHhdrNrCcSXKq1VmhLKVGQ@mail.gmail.com>

The Capital Triumph Register is proud to announce that the 23rd annual
Britain on the Green (BOG) will be held at historic Gunston Hall, the
colonial home of patriot George Mason, in Lorton, VA, on April 26, 2020.
BOG, which welcomes all British cars and motorcycles. is well-established
as one of the premier all-British shows in the metropolitan DC area.



Mark your calendars now and plan to attend as we expect this year to be the
best ever!  In addition to hundreds of beautiful British vehicles on
display, we?ll have live music, a Food Truck Alley, a sponsor/vendor Midway
for your automotive needs, activities for children, and tours of the
Gunston Hall mansion and gardens for participants and spectators.



For 2020 we will feature a special display of classic British cars and
their modern counterparts.  For example, a classic Jaguar E-Type from the
1960s will be paired with a current Jaguar F-Type sports car.  Other
marques in the display of pairing of classic and modern examples will
include Land Rover, Mini, Morgan, and Lotus.



Participant?s Choice honors will be awarded in 25 or more classes of British
cars and motorcycles.  There will also be a number of special awards
including Best Resto-Mod, Best Survivor, Best Display, and of course, Best
of Show.  In addition, we will have Hagerty Youth Judging in which the next
generation of British car drivers picks their favorites.



So please plan on joining us on April 26th for the 23rd annual Britain on
the Green.   It is a great day to bring out your car, celebrate the arrival
of spring, and kick off the British car show and driving season with
friends, family, and fellow enthusiasts.



Cars pre-registered by April 15 will receive the collectable 23rd
anniversary show poster by famed artist Joseph Craig English.  All for $25,
a savings of $10 from day-of registration.



Further information on Britain on the Green can be found at:

http://www.capitaltriumphregister.com/bog/

 The Capital Triumph Register is proud to announce that the 23rd annual
Britain on the Green (BOG) will be held at historic Gunston Hall, the
colonial home of patriot George Mason, in Lorton, VA, on April 26, 2020.  BOG,
which welcomes all British cars and motorcycles. is well-established as one
of the premier all-British shows in the metropolitan DC area.



Mark your calendars now and plan to attend as we expect this year to be the
best ever!  In addition to hundreds of beautiful British vehicles on
display, we?ll have live music, a Food Truck Alley, a sponsor/vendor Midway
for your automotive needs, activities for children, and tours of the
Gunston Hall mansion and gardens for participants and spectators.



For 2020 we will feature a special display of classic British cars and
their modern counterparts.  For example, a classic Jaguar E-Type from the
1960s will be paired with a current Jaguar F-Type sports car.  Other
marques in the display of pairing of classic and modern examples will
include Land Rover, Mini, Morgan, and Lotus.



Participant?s Choice honors will be awarded in 25 or more classes of British
cars and motorcycles.  There will also be a number of special awards
including Best Resto-Mod, Best Survivor, Best Display, and of course, Best
of Show.  In addition, we will have Hagerty Youth Judging in which the next
generation of British car drivers picks their favorites.



So please plan on joining us on April 26th for the 23rd annual Britain on
the Green.   It is a great day to bring out your car, celebrate the arrival
of spring, and kick off the British car show and driving season with
friends, family, and fellow enthusiasts.



Cars pre-registered by April 15 will receive the collectable 23rd
anniversary show poster by famed artist Joseph Craig English.  All for $25,
a savings of $10 from day-of registration.



Further information on Britain on the Green can be found at:

http://www.capitaltriumphregister.com/bog/
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Jan 15 12:14:46 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:14:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] Who has one?
Message-ID: <ea86ad40-b2e9-545a-76da-5a2e80dcd684@bradakis.com>


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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jan 15 12:26:24 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:26:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] Who has one?
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A colleague in Denmark had a much-loved Rover 216 (the successor to the
Acclaim) as his company car for *many* years.  He just replaced it a year
or so ago.  There are probably more long-door TR2s on the roads than
Triumph Acclaims!

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 1:15 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Wed Jan 15 15:16:36 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:16:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] Who has one?
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I had one for two years when it was eight years old. An excellent car even though it was effectively a Honda Ballade. It was followed by two small Rovers based on the Acclaim. They too were faultless.

Jonmac

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 15 19:59:16 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 21:59:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all ~

Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather
pieces
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?

[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]

I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....

Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 15 21:17:07 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:17:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78D5F128-ED1D-4AF9-9A19-9BB28F11D14C@flash.net>

I?ve done one set in each medium.   Takes good hands to pull everything smooth and into place without wrinkles. 

Having a space heater nearby to warm the pieces, leather or vinyl, before laying them on makes it much easier.   Geo had a nice buck that he used for the doglegs, held everything in place.   

Start in the middle and work out to the ends.  The toughest part I found was closing the ends of the door caps to insert the chrome plugs.  

Good luck,
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:00 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
Hey all ~

Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?

[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]

I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....

Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 15 21:17:07 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 22:17:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78D5F128-ED1D-4AF9-9A19-9BB28F11D14C@flash.net>

I?ve done one set in each medium.   Takes good hands to pull everything smooth and into place without wrinkles. 

Having a space heater nearby to warm the pieces, leather or vinyl, before laying them on makes it much easier.   Geo had a nice buck that he used for the doglegs, held everything in place.   

Start in the middle and work out to the ends.  The toughest part I found was closing the ends of the door caps to insert the chrome plugs.  

Good luck,
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 15, 2020, at 9:00 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
Hey all ~

Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?

[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]

I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....

Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jan 16 07:05:25 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 14:05:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1870954887.8294649.1579183525717@mail.yahoo.com>

I outsourced mine.? I had never done this before and will likely never do this again so rather than buy several sets of leather so I can do it wrong a few times I figured it was just cheaper and easier to hire it done.? I used Larry Learn Upholstery (724 465 8661)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping

Hey all ~

Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces?that go around?the TR2/TR3 cockpit?
[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]
I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....
Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander'74 TR6'59 TR3A** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jan 16 07:38:35 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 09:38:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <1870954887.8294649.1579183525717@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
 <1870954887.8294649.1579183525717@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d5cc7a$a325fd70$e971f850$@uprichard.net>

I agree ? like paint, capping is immediately visible and pieces like those S-shaped ones running up from the B-post require great skills to get right.  I too have used Larry Learn, but he retired last year.  He gave a lot of his stuff to a young guy who has started an upholstery business a few miles away.  Larry tells me he is good, but is not familiar with car work.  If you do call that number you will get a message saying it has been changed and you will get the number of the young guy.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:05 AM
To: forzion7 at gmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net; net at newenglandtriumphs.org
Subject: Re: [TR] Cockpit capping

 

I outsourced mine.  I had never done this before and will likely never do this again so rather than buy several sets of leather so I can do it wrong a few times I figured it was just cheaper and easier to hire it done.  I used Larry Learn Upholstery (724 465 8661)

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com <mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com> >
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org> >
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping

Hey all ~

 

Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 

that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?

 

[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]

 

I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....

 

Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander

'74 TR6

'59 TR3A

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Jan 16 07:42:13 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:42:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <001f01d5cc7a$a325fd70$e971f850$@uprichard.net>
References: <001f01d5cc7a$a325fd70$e971f850$@uprichard.net>
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Macy?s Garage would be a good alternative if you outsource to someone well-versed in TR assembly. 
NFI,
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:38 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

?
I agree ? like paint, capping is immediately visible and pieces like those S-shaped ones running up from the B-post require great skills to get right.  I too have used Larry Learn, but he retired last year.  He gave a lot of his stuff to a young guy who has started an upholstery business a few miles away.  Larry tells me he is good, but is not familiar with car work.  If you do call that number you will get a message saying it has been changed and you will get the number of the young guy.
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:05 AM
To: forzion7 at gmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net; net at newenglandtriumphs.org
Subject: Re: [TR] Cockpit capping
 
I outsourced mine.  I had never done this before and will likely never do this again so rather than buy several sets of leather so I can do it wrong a few times I figured it was just cheaper and easier to hire it done.  I used Larry Learn Upholstery (724 465 8661)
 
Dave

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping

Hey all ~
 
Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?
 
[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]
 
I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....
 
Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Jan 16 07:42:13 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 08:42:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <001f01d5cc7a$a325fd70$e971f850$@uprichard.net>
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Macy?s Garage would be a good alternative if you outsource to someone well-versed in TR assembly. 
NFI,
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:38 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

?
I agree ? like paint, capping is immediately visible and pieces like those S-shaped ones running up from the B-post require great skills to get right.  I too have used Larry Learn, but he retired last year.  He gave a lot of his stuff to a young guy who has started an upholstery business a few miles away.  Larry tells me he is good, but is not familiar with car work.  If you do call that number you will get a message saying it has been changed and you will get the number of the young guy.
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:05 AM
To: forzion7 at gmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net; net at newenglandtriumphs.org
Subject: Re: [TR] Cockpit capping
 
I outsourced mine.  I had never done this before and will likely never do this again so rather than buy several sets of leather so I can do it wrong a few times I figured it was just cheaper and easier to hire it done.  I used Larry Learn Upholstery (724 465 8661)
 
Dave

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping

Hey all ~
 
Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?
 
[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900]
 
I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....
 
Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
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From adcronin at mi.rr.com  Thu Jan 16 08:19:07 2020
From: adcronin at mi.rr.com (Dan Cronin)
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2020 10:19:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <001f01d5cc7a$a325fd70$e971f850$@uprichard.net>
References: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
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I sent mine to Macys Garage and they did an outstanding job.
D. Cronin

On Jan 16, 2020, at 9:38 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

I agree ? like paint, capping is immediately visible and pieces like those S-shaped ones running up from the B-post require great skills to get right.  I too have used Larry Learn, but he retired last year.  He gave a lot of his stuff to a young guy who has started an upholstery business a few miles away.  Larry tells me he is good, but is not familiar with car work.  If you do call that number you will get a message saying it has been changed and you will get the number of the young guy.
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2020 9:05 AM
To: forzion7 at gmail.com <mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>; net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Cockpit capping
 
I outsourced mine.  I had never done this before and will likely never do this again so rather than buy several sets of leather so I can do it wrong a few times I figured it was just cheaper and easier to hire it done.  I used Larry Learn Upholstery (724 465 8661)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com <mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org <mailto:net at newenglandtriumphs.org>>
Sent: Wed, Jan 15, 2020 8:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping

Hey all ~
 
Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather pieces 
that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?
 
[http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900 <http://trf.zeni.net/webcatalog/specials8.9/9.php?s_wt=1600&s_ht=900>]
 
I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....
 
Thanks in adance!

Dave Friedlander
'74 TR6
'59 TR3A
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jan 17 15:51:01 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 17:51:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue
Message-ID: <7E9E17D2-9377-4C31-9537-A1ADB2150AE4@gmail.com>

81 tr8 with 16 k orig miles.  Not mine but a friends.  Had been sitting a while, we just had it refreshed and now running well and safe.  The 5 speed was grinding I se one and third intermittently.  I drained fluid and replaced with pennzoil synchromesh.  Shifting a little better but still have some issues.    Clutch master and slave and hose replaced.  Clutch pedal engages near top of pedal.    Lower rpm shifts easier. Sometimes it?s fine.   Not as familiar with this tranny.  With low mileage can?t believe it something inside.  Any plastic bushes on the shift linkage that could explain.   It sure what to do, don?t want o pull tranny as the original exhaust, cats etc still installed.
Thanks in advance
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 TR3A 
62 Tr4a
75 Tr6
81 tr8


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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Fri Jan 17 16:00:57 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 15:00:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue
In-Reply-To: <7E9E17D2-9377-4C31-9537-A1ADB2150AE4@gmail.com>
References: <7E9E17D2-9377-4C31-9537-A1ADB2150AE4@gmail.com>
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Hi Jim,

There are rubber bushings that mount the shifter extension to the transmission.  These tend to degrade, or even be missing altogether, though on a 16K mile car I don?t know.  The test is to lift up on the shifter, if it has play, they are probably shot.  That will make it hard to find gears, particularly getting past the lockout for reverse.

Urethane (and other material) replacements are available.  They can be replaced without dropping the transmission, either from under the car or from above.  It isn?t a fun job, though.

-Darrell

> On Jan 17, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 81 tr8 with 16 k orig miles.  Not mine but a friends.  Had been sitting a while, we just had it refreshed and now running well and safe.  The 5 speed was grinding I se one and third intermittently.  I drained fluid and replaced with pennzoil synchromesh.  Shifting a little better but still have some issues.    Clutch master and slave and hose replaced.  Clutch pedal engages near top of pedal.    Lower rpm shifts easier. Sometimes it?s fine.   Not as familiar with this tranny.  With low mileage can?t believe it something inside.  Any plastic bushes on the shift linkage that could explain.   It sure what to do, don?t want o pull tranny as the original exhaust, cats etc still installed.
> Thanks in advance
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 TR3A 
> 62 Tr4a
> 75 Tr6
> 81 tr8
> 
> 
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 17:13:49 2020
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (anabil007)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 16:13:49 -0800
Subject: [TR] Great Deal Coming
Message-ID: <B8C11710-B282-431A-80EF-E48A54FEAFD5@comcast.net>



Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Wayne Bier <ib12play at aol.com>
> Date: January 17, 2020 at 7:08:07 AM PST
> To: anabil007 at comcast
> 
> ?
>  Hi Bill

> The building where Triumphs Only is has been foreclosed on. I put an offer in to buy it, they are asking too much. They offered a short term lease, I'll know in a few days what's happening.

>  See you soon, I will be liquidating Triumphs Only including tools, machinery, inventory, cars, so put the word out!
> 
>  Cheers,
>  Wayne

> Bill
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From tochilds at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 17 18:31:19 2020
From: tochilds at bellsouth.net (tochilds)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 20:31:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue
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Jim, I bought a new TR7 in 1980 with the 5-speed tranny.? First cold weather snap hit and had problems with gear change.? Took it in for service and they drained the trans of gear oil and replaced it with ATF.? A service bulletin had just been sent out instructing the dealers to do that.? Never had another problem.?Tony ChildsAnderson, SC1972 Spitfire MKIV1973 Stag MK2Sent from my Galaxy Tab? S2
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> Date: 1/17/20  5:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue 81 tr8 with 16 k orig miles.? Not mine but a friends.? Had been sitting a while, we just had it refreshed and now running well and safe.? The 5 speed was grinding I se one and third intermittently.? I drained fluid and replaced with pennzoil synchromesh.? Shifting a little better but still have some issues.??? Clutch master and slave and hose replaced.? Clutch pedal engages near top of pedal.??? Lower rpm shifts easier. Sometimes it?s fine.?? Not as familiar with this tranny.? With low mileage can?t believe it something inside.? Any plastic bushes on the shift linkage that could explain.?? It sure what to do, don?t want o pull tranny as the original exhaust, cats etc still installed.Thanks in advanceJim HenningsenOcala FL61 TR3A 62 Tr4a75 Tr681 tr8Sent from my iPad** triumphs at autox.team.net **Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tochilds at bellsouth.net
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jan 17 19:22:28 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2020 18:22:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue
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References: <7E9E17D2-9377-4C31-9537-A1ADB2150AE4@gmail.com>
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I ran ATF in my '79 Mustang's Borg-Warner T5 back in the '80s. No problems. I don't have the car , but I still have that gearbox stashed in my garage.  Maybe I'll put it in a TR some day.  The Stang was a 5.0 Cobra edition that originally had a auto.  I got the T5 in 1983 from a Ford engineer in Detroit that raced Mustangs in SCCA showroom stock. 
Dave H. 

> On January 17, 2020 at 5:31 PM tochilds <tochilds at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
>     Jim, I bought a new TR7 in 1980 with the 5-speed tranny.  First cold weather snap hit and had problems with gear change.  Took it in for service and they drained the trans of gear oil and replaced it with ATF.  A service bulletin had just been sent out instructing the dealers to do that.  Never had another problem. 
> 
>     Tony Childs
>     Anderson, SC
>     1972 Spitfire MKIV
>     1973 Stag MK2
> 
> 
> 
>     Sent from my Galaxy Tab? S2
> 
>     -------- Original message --------
>     From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>     Date: 1/17/20 5:51 PM (GMT-05:00)
>     To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [TR] Tr8 5 speed issue
> 
>     81 tr8 with 16 k orig miles.  Not mine but a friends.  Had been sitting a while, we just had it refreshed and now running well and safe.  The 5 speed was grinding I se one and third intermittently.  I drained fluid and replaced with pennzoil synchromesh.  Shifting a little better but still have some issues.    Clutch master and slave and hose replaced.  Clutch pedal engages near top of pedal.    Lower rpm shifts easier. Sometimes it?s fine.   Not as familiar with this tranny.  With low mileage can?t believe it something inside.  Any plastic bushes on the shift linkage that could explain.   It sure what to do, don?t want o pull tranny as the original exhaust, cats etc still installed.
>     Thanks in advance
>     Jim Henningsen
>     Ocala FL
>     61 TR3A
>     62 Tr4a
>     75 Tr6
>     81 tr8
> 
> 
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Sat Jan 18 02:46:36 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 04:46:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
Message-ID: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>

I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?

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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 06:05:34 2020
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:05:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] [Fot] Continental Kit
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 06:56:42 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 07:56:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
In-Reply-To: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
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The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first
imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of
the car.  It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take
along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts
network.

It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I
guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.  There were various
versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.
Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and
relevant model noted on its label.  The second image shows the contents
list enlarged.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg

There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy
who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share
photos.  I'll keep looking.

Don
1962 Triumph TR3B
(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy
who started this thread!)

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
wrote:

> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as
> bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for
> traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files.
> There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for
> the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 07:50:59 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 08:50:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAUvSLR-_PrANArqRomvRSY7uUMPLV=_fvY5+8JktYLuw@mail.gmail.com>

Resending second link to the detailed image.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first
> imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of
> the car.  It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take
> along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts
> network.
>
> It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or
> I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.  There were various
> versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.
> Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and
> relevant model noted on its label.  The second image shows the contents
> list enlarged.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg
>
> There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy
> who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share
> photos.  I'll keep looking.
>
> Don
> 1962 Triumph TR3B
> (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy
> who started this thread!)
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as
>> bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for
>> traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files.
>> There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for
>> the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Sat Jan 18 08:02:19 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:02:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAUvSLR-_PrANArqRomvRSY7uUMPLV=_fvY5+8JktYLuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
 <CAPK7CFAgXkkGg8QJdWaHi1cH+oiQGbd3yA0knrcWhu+7LB6+8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California  A continental kit may have been the early source for ready available parts.  I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory early on 

Tom


> On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Resending second link to the detailed image.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg>
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com <mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:
> The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on the rear of the car.  It was a collection of "essential" spares that one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal repair and parts network.
> 
> It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used, or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it.  There were various versions over time, and versions for different Standard-Triumph models.  Here's an image of one of them (not for a TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label.  The second image shows the contents list enlarged.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg>
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg <https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg>
> 
> There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to share photos.  I'll keep looking.
> 
> Don
> 1962 Triumph TR3B
> (which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to the efforts of the guy who started this thread!)
> 
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com <mailto:trhouse at columbus.rr.com>> wrote:
> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
> 
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat Jan 18 08:20:09 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 15:20:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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I believe the Continental Touring Scheme in the flyer from Tom is referring to the option to fly to the UK, pick up your new TR3, drive it sur le continent for a couple of weeks and then ship it home. Don H has a picture of that too.

Stan

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Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 4:47 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit

I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Jan 18 08:52:08 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:52:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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I seem to remember an article in TVT in the last year or two about those kits. Anybody else remember where that article appeared?

Alex Thomson

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Subject: [TR] Continental Kit

I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?



From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Sat Jan 18 09:09:50 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 16:09:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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COLLECTOR'S ORIGINALITY GUIDE TRIUMPH TR2 TR3 TR4 TR5 TR6 ...

Bill Piggott [1]On the right is an original Triumph Sports Owners
Association badge. ... Continental touring kit Part number 502022.
(Later 505539) This was a kit of commonly used spares, designed for
journeys a long way from civilisation. Included were the ...

	-----------------------------------------From: "Tom Householder" 

To: "Don Hiscock"
Cc: "Triumphs"
Sent: Saturday January 18 2020 10:02:19AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Continental Kit

Although the Classified is a year after the cars entered California A
continental kit may have been the early source for ready available
parts. I know Cal Sales stripped new cars to have a parts inventory
early on 
Tom

On Jan 18, 2020, at 9:50 AM, Don Hiscock  wrote:
Resending second link to the detailed image.
[3]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2C9BpzJ/0/ebed7fbf/O/i-2C9BpzJ.jpg
[4]

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 7:56 AM Don Hiscock  wrote:
The Standard-Triumph Continental Touring Kit was not, as some may
first imagine who haven't heard of it before, a gaudy spare tire on
the rear of the car. It was a collection of "essential" spares that
one could take along on a trip to the Continent away from the normal
repair and parts network.
It was a fiberboard box that could be returned for credit if not used,
or I guess part credit if one needed to use bits from it. There were
various versions over time, and versions for different
Standard-Triumph models. Here's an image of one of them (not for a
TR), with the box contents and relevant model noted on its label. The
second image shows the contents list enlarged.
[6]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-cXWgbmL/0/0fa8cecf/O/i-cXWgbmL.jpg
[7]
 [8]https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dmKVc3X/0/33e1d5b2/O/i-dmKVc3X.jpg
[9]

There may be a photo of a TR3A kit around here someplace -- I know a
guy who had one in Europe, but uncharacteristically he didn't want to
share photos. I'll keep looking.
Don1962 Triumph TR3B(which found its way into my hands in 1981 due to
the efforts of the guy who started this thread!)
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:56 AM Tom Householder  wrote:
I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit
? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of
bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early
catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and
Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?

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From mkutka at me.com  Sat Jan 18 09:18:15 2020
From: mkutka at me.com (michael kutka)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 11:18:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
In-Reply-To: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
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I can provide some photos of kits for later models if anyone is interested. I thought the TR2/3 version was in more of a study wooden container versus the later cardboard versions?

Mike 

> On Jan 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 09:37:07 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:37:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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References: <63C0A715-F216-44B8-8B2B-E0536DC2F785@columbus.rr.com>
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>From the September 1956 brochure, "Accessories for Standard and Triumph
Vehicles".  This shows the part numbers for the various kits available at
that time.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VpvGZR2/0/604c5643/O/i-VpvGZR2.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bmdsq4g/0/06597ee7/O/i-bmdsq4g.jpg

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:18 AM michael kutka <mkutka at me.com> wrote:

> I can provide some photos of kits for later models if anyone is
> interested. I thought the TR2/3 version was in more of a study wooden
> container versus the later cardboard versions?
>
> Mike
>
> On Jan 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as
> bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for
> traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files.
> There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for
> the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
>
> <TR3 Competitioin+Rally Accessories Catalog 2009 07.pdf>**
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Jan 18 09:56:47 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 10:56:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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Raymond Van Donk made up a CTK for his immaculately-restored and now-sold
Powder Blue TR3A.  He had an original sidescreen kit label and used a
wooden box for his reproduction.
http://www.trtriumph.com/images/22-Continental%20touring%20kit.JPG

The original kits, per the late Alec Pringle, were oversized crappy things
taking too much space for too little protection.  They were always
paperboard or hardboard as far as I know, not wooden crates.  The TR
Register forum had a discussion on the subject a few years ago.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/62397-continental-touring-kit-triumph-tr23/

Stan, you might have a copy of the reproduced TR6 label, yes?


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:37 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:

> From the September 1956 brochure, "Accessories for Standard and Triumph
> Vehicles".  This shows the part numbers for the various kits available at
> that time.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VpvGZR2/0/604c5643/O/i-VpvGZR2.jpg
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bmdsq4g/0/06597ee7/O/i-bmdsq4g.jpg
>
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:18 AM michael kutka <mkutka at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I can provide some photos of kits for later models if anyone is
>> interested. I thought the TR2/3 version was in more of a study wooden
>> container versus the later cardboard versions?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Jan 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as
>> bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for
>> traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files.
>> There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for
>> the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
>>
>> <TR3 Competitioin+Rally Accessories Catalog 2009 07.pdf>**
>> triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat Jan 18 10:10:00 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:10:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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I sure do Don.



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:57 AM
To: michael kutka <mkutka at me.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Continental Kit

Raymond Van Donk made up a CTK for his immaculately-restored and now-sold Powder Blue TR3A.  He had an original sidescreen kit label and used a wooden box for his reproduction.
http://www.trtriumph.com/images/22-Continental%20touring%20kit.JPG

The original kits, per the late Alec Pringle, were oversized crappy things taking too much space for too little protection.  They were always paperboard or hardboard as far as I know, not wooden crates.  The TR Register forum had a discussion on the subject a few years ago.
https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/62397-continental-touring-kit-triumph-tr23/

Stan, you might have a copy of the reproduced TR6 label, yes?


On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:37 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:
From the September 1956 brochure, "Accessories for Standard and Triumph Vehicles".  This shows the part numbers for the various kits available at that time.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VpvGZR2/0/604c5643/O/i-VpvGZR2.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bmdsq4g/0/06597ee7/O/i-bmdsq4g.jpg

On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:18 AM michael kutka <mkutka at me.com<mailto:mkutka at me.com>> wrote:
I can provide some photos of kits for later models if anyone is interested. I thought the TR2/3 version was in more of a study wooden container versus the later cardboard versions?

Mike


On Jan 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com<mailto:trhouse at columbus.rr.com>> wrote:

I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?

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From mkutka at me.com  Sat Jan 18 10:19:03 2020
From: mkutka at me.com (michael kutka)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 12:19:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Continental Kit
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Stan,

Did you ever make up a kit to go with the label?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 18, 2020, at 12:10 PM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I sure do Don.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2020 11:57 AM
> To: michael kutka <mkutka at me.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; fot at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Continental Kit
>  
> Raymond Van Donk made up a CTK for his immaculately-restored and now-sold Powder Blue TR3A.  He had an original sidescreen kit label and used a wooden box for his reproduction.
> http://www.trtriumph.com/images/22-Continental%20touring%20kit.JPG
>  
> The original kits, per the late Alec Pringle, were oversized crappy things taking too much space for too little protection.  They were always paperboard or hardboard as far as I know, not wooden crates.  The TR Register forum had a discussion on the subject a few years ago.
> https://www.tr-register.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/62397-continental-touring-kit-triumph-tr23/
>  
> Stan, you might have a copy of the reproduced TR6 label, yes?
>  
>  
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:37 AM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> From the September 1956 brochure, "Accessories for Standard and Triumph Vehicles".  This shows the part numbers for the various kits available at that time.
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-VpvGZR2/0/604c5643/O/i-VpvGZR2.jpg
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bmdsq4g/0/06597ee7/O/i-bmdsq4g.jpg
>  
> On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 10:18 AM michael kutka <mkutka at me.com> wrote:
> I can provide some photos of kits for later models if anyone is interested. I thought the TR2/3 version was in more of a study wooden container versus the later cardboard versions?
>  
> Mike 
> 
> 
> On Jan 18, 2020, at 4:46 AM, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
>  
> I ran across an old Jan 55 Classified that lists a ?Continental Kit ? as bits with the car. I seem to recall this was a collection of bits for traveling. I can?t seem to find reference to it in my early catalog files. There was a Continental Package in the Competition and Rally Catalog for the TR3?????? any one know what this was?
> 
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From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2020 17:05:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 19
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1579374002.27550.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1579374002.27550.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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TR4A SPC list Continental Touring Kit as Part No.514790, containing:
. gaskets for cylinder head, manifold, and exhaust flange
.fan belt
.spark plugs
.hoses for by-pass, rad top, water bottom (which may have been a top), and
water bottom
.distributor cap
.rotor
.condenser
.Contact breaker set
.water pump seal
.water pump gasket
.flexible oil pipe
.flexible petrol pipe
.petrol pump diaphragm
.exhaust valves
.inlet valves
.inner valve springs
.outer valve springs
.rocker cover gasket
.bulbs for front and rear flashers, front side lamp tail lamp, number plate,
and flasher repeater lamp
.fog lamp
.spot lamp
.wing mirror

The TR4 SPC lists the CTK as part no. 511075 with pretty much the same items
but two wing mirrors.

My TR3 SPC does not list a CTK.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net


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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Jan 19 07:58:36 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 07:58:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cockpit capping
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjxcUEGF1jUCAhjLRO9A5LyYw6_q2rjWaatwkm2nuWa3g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 7:59 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
wrote:


> Has anyone redone their cockpit capping, replacing the vinyl or leather
> pieces
> that go around the TR2/TR3 cockpit?
>
> I'd be very interested in any tips/tricks/insights/do's/don'ts....
>

Dave -

For that S-shaped piece just after of the door I made a simple jig that
clamped in a vise to hold the metal piece while I wrassled the leather into
shape.  Leather was soaked awhile in hot water and a heat gun used
(carefully) to keep it workable.  The metal piece was nailed to the jig
temporarily to hold it tight.

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 19 18:57:13 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 01:57:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] shameless promotion
References: <284729578.9289119.1579485433230.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <284729578.9289119.1579485433230@mail.yahoo.com>

friend is clearing out his garage?
for saletriumph TR3 motor. turns but unknown conditionTriumph TR3 trans. looks OKtriumph TR3 axle. turns but unknown conditiontriumph TR3 gas tank. early type. no holes
triumph TR3 hood/bonnet early type. vert nice red paint finishtriumph TR3 side curtains. plastic still has its film on, interior will need re-finishingtriumph TR3 radiator with crank hole. re-furbished, rod'ed,? and does not leak.Triumph TR3 hard top with glass window. no gasket.triumph TR3 stator tube for adjustable column

triumph TR4 hood bows. newly finished in black powder coating

1951 Triumph Mayflower hot rod..bring a?trailer.no rot, minor surface rust where we started to work and shamefully did not put a coat of primer on.engine is a 2.4L dodge d50 bottom end with a mitubishi eclipse 4g63 head on it.? ?The trans is a mazda b2200 automatic.???Rear axle is a volvo dana 30.??
all chrome has been re-plated at a cost of 9 grandbody is clean and in primer ready for color coat.interior needs fully rebuilt.so close to completion.
sensible offers pleaseall items located in temecula californiaphotos available.
thanks?
Frank


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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Sun Jan 19 19:00:51 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2020 18:00:51 -0800
Subject: [TR] shameless promotion
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 <284729578.9289119.1579485433230@mail.yahoo.com>
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Frank,

 

Friend of mine needs a cylinder head.

 

We are in Las Vegas

 

Jonas

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2020 5:57 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] shameless promotion

 

friend is clearing out his garage 

 

for sale

triumph TR3 motor. turns but unknown condition

Triumph TR3 trans. looks OK

triumph TR3 axle. turns but unknown condition

triumph TR3 gas tank. early type. no holes

triumph TR3 hood/bonnet early type. vert nice red paint finish

triumph TR3 side curtains. plastic still has its film on, interior will need re-finishing

triumph TR3 radiator with crank hole. re-furbished, rod'ed,  and does not leak.

Triumph TR3 hard top with glass window. no gasket.

triumph TR3 stator tube for adjustable column

 

 

triumph TR4 hood bows. newly finished in black powder coating

 

1951 Triumph Mayflower hot rod..bring a trailer.

no rot, minor surface rust where we started to work and shamefully did not put a coat of primer on.

engine is a 2.4L dodge d50 bottom end with a mitubishi eclipse 4g63 head on it.   

The trans is a mazda b2200 automatic.  

 Rear axle is a volvo dana 30.  

all chrome has been re-plated at a cost of 9 grand

body is clean and in primer ready for color coat.

interior needs fully rebuilt.

so close to completion.

 

sensible offers please

all items located in temecula california

photos available.

 

thanks 

 

Frank

 

 

 

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From fredzampa at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 20 09:12:26 2020
From: fredzampa at yahoo.com (fred zampa)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 16:12:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] u-bolt torque
References: <864056950.16405886.1579536746151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <864056950.16405886.1579536746151@mail.yahoo.com>

does anyone know the torque spec for the u-bolts that hold on the rear axle of a 1966 tr4-a with a straight axle ?? ? ?i suspect that it is different from the tr4:? ? the bolts are longer and there is that ghastly hunk of a spacer to worry about.

fred zampa
61 tr462 tr3b66 tr4a65 spitfire m2
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan 20 09:26:43 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:26:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] u-bolt torque
In-Reply-To: <864056950.16405886.1579536746151@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <864056950.16405886.1579536746151@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22A31800519C469CB60C14834A3D86ED@RYPC>

The factory workshop manual I have says 26-28 ft-lb.  Page 23, for TR4A live
axle.

https://is.gd/qAcphe

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


> does anyone know the torque spec for the u-bolts that hold on 
> the rear axle of a 1966 tr4-a with a straight axle ?     i 
> suspect that it is different from the tr4:    the bolts are 
> longer and there is that ghastly hunk of a spacer to worry about.


From thomasb at queensu.ca  Mon Jan 20 11:17:08 2020
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 18:17:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2-3B front fender mounting to scuttle
Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB08300AF4A5888F39B07AB298D4320@YTXPR0101MB0830.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi,

We're currently doing a frame up on TS537L, a 1954 TR2.  The chassis is pretty well done and the body has progressed to the point we're hanging the front fenders to work on the gaps.

Looking at the top rear of the fenders where they attach to the scuttle, there are two mounting points.  The one towards the front uses a bolt which goes through a probably 1-1/2 inch hole in the scuttle into a captive nut in the fender.  

My question is how the rear bolt installs and tightens?  There is a slot in the scuttle similar to the front mounting point but no access from inside.

Any been-there-done-that thoughts as always would be muchly appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
?? Brian Thomas????????????????? ? ?      E-mail:?  ThomasB at QueensU.Ca 
???92 Wyona Lane          ? ????        Phone:?  613-385-1947
?? Wolfe Island,? Ontario ????           Toys:?  54 TR2,? 56 TR3,? 67 TR4A,? 01 XKR,? 
???CANADA?? K0H 2Y0???????????????????????          75 John Deere 920



From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jan 21 15:35:00 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2020 16:35:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration/update
References: <000a01d5d0ab$047be0b0$0d73a210$.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <000a01d5d0ab$047be0b0$0d73a210$@flash.net>

Thank you List,

Found excessive runout on the front driveshaft (engine-to-trans), this one is turning full-time whether the clutch is depressed or not.  Spent $30 at the machine shop and I am back in business.  Thanks to all who responded with real good comments.

Bill

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2020 5:06 PM
To: bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Strange Vibration

 

When the clutch is depressed the rest of the drivetrain is out of the picture so everything points to the engine.  

 

If one of the clutch cover bolts is missing the imbalance may be quite pronounced.  Let's hope it is something easy like that.

 

Dave 

 

 

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To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2020 4:51 pm
Subject: [TR] Strange Vibration

Not quite a TR but an older Morgan with the TR3A motor and Moss gearbox.  I have a vibration that I can feel all the time but really is strong at the 2500-3000rpm range.  With the clutch in it is still there, when driving it is worse.  Drive shaft is straight and balanced, makes no difference with the wheels removed.  Have pulled the front pulley and put a gauge on the crank end, no wobble.  Engine mounts are tight.

 

Prior to installation I ran the motor without a driveline extensively just in the chassis and all was good, is it possible for a clutch plate to be off-balance so much as to cause a noticeable vibration?

 

Just fishing for any suggestions before I pull the motor and recheck the flywheel/clutch assembly.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 18:26:13 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 19:26:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
References: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF@flash.net>

Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.    

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.   Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?  

Bill


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 26 19:38:27 2020
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:38:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF@flash.net>
References: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF.ref@flash.net>
 <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF@flash.net>
Message-ID: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>

 Post the ad so we can have a look.


    On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.? ? 

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.? Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?? 

Bill


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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 26 19:55:35 2020
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:55:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>

Listers,
I?m completing a restoration on a 1955 TR2.  The fuel gauge isn't working.  Wiring is good, gauge was dead.  Finally opened the gauge and found a broken wire.  Repaired the wire.  Using mga guru instructions, I tried, for a long time, to calibrate the gauge.  I can set the Full position, but can?t get close to calibrating the 1/2 mark.  When I get it close, just the slightest pressure on the nut drives it to one end or the other.  Took what I had for calibration and tried it on the cars?s 3/4 full tank.  It read about 1/4.  I?m thinking that because the calibration for 1/2 tank is so touchy, there is a bigger problem.  Any thoughts will be appreciated.
John DeLuca

Sent from my iPad

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 20:55:50 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:55:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>

Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/



?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 

?
Post the ad so we can have a look.



On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:


Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.    

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.  Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?  

Bill


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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 20:55:50 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 21:55:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>

Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/



?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 

?
Post the ad so we can have a look.



On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:


Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.    

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.  Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?  

Bill


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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 21:00:54 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:00:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
In-Reply-To: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <88A5D6D5-32BF-49CE-A822-67ECC0899A25@flash.net>

John,
The MGA Guru is my go to guy for testing too.  I got my guage to read 3/4 when full and just lived with it. Beyond that I?d send the gauge and the sender off to your favourite instrument repair shop, I like West Valley in Calif.  NFI
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:55 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 

?Listers,
I?m completing a restoration on a 1955 TR2.  The fuel gauge isn't working.  Wiring is good, gauge was dead.  Finally opened the gauge and found a broken wire.  Repaired the wire.  Using mga guru instructions, I tried, for a long time, to calibrate the gauge.  I can set the Full position, but can?t get close to calibrating the 1/2 mark.  When I get it close, just the slightest pressure on the nut drives it to one end or the other.  Took what I had for calibration and tried it on the cars?s 3/4 full tank.  It read about 1/4.  I?m thinking that because the calibration for 1/2 tank is so touchy, there is a bigger problem.  Any thoughts will be appreciated.
John DeLuca

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 21:00:54 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:00:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
In-Reply-To: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <88A5D6D5-32BF-49CE-A822-67ECC0899A25@flash.net>

John,
The MGA Guru is my go to guy for testing too.  I got my guage to read 3/4 when full and just lived with it. Beyond that I?d send the gauge and the sender off to your favourite instrument repair shop, I like West Valley in Calif.  NFI
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:55 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 

?Listers,
I?m completing a restoration on a 1955 TR2.  The fuel gauge isn't working.  Wiring is good, gauge was dead.  Finally opened the gauge and found a broken wire.  Repaired the wire.  Using mga guru instructions, I tried, for a long time, to calibrate the gauge.  I can set the Full position, but can?t get close to calibrating the 1/2 mark.  When I get it close, just the slightest pressure on the nut drives it to one end or the other.  Took what I had for calibration and tried it on the cars?s 3/4 full tank.  It read about 1/4.  I?m thinking that because the calibration for 1/2 tank is so touchy, there is a bigger problem.  Any thoughts will be appreciated.
John DeLuca

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 26 21:21:37 2020
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 04:21:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>
References: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
 <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>
Message-ID: <1027602298.890227.1580098897273@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm in Oklahoma but that thing is still a long way off.
I have a French Blue '74 (CF12733U) complete with title if you're in the market.? Needs Restored like that one.

I also have a TON of new parts that could go with it for extra $
Chad in Tulsa
    On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 09:56:00 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works:



https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/









?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:


? Post the ad so we can have a look.


    On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.? ? 

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.? Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?? 

Bill


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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 26 21:36:37 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:36:37 -0800
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF@flash.net>
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I'd recommend calling the Oregon DMV.? Tell them you are looking at 
buying the car and give them the plate.? They should be able to confirm 
the plate is ok and when it was last registered.

Brian

On 1/26/2020 5:26 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.
>
> No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.   Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?
>
> Bill
>
>
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 21:51:15 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:51:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <37c2648b-ef67-9206-65ad-de529094e103@earthlink.net>
References: <37c2648b-ef67-9206-65ad-de529094e103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B1DFD05F-CDC7-46A3-A817-3E90BF8CAC60@flash.net>

Thanks Brian,
May do that, I tried the license lookup site for Oregon, wasn?t listed.  Could be it has been off the road too long 
Bill


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?I'd recommend calling the Oregon DMV.  Tell them you are looking at buying the car and give them the plate.  They should be able to confirm the plate is ok and when it was last registered.

Brian

> On 1/26/2020 5:26 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.
> 
> No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.   Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jan 26 21:51:15 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 22:51:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <37c2648b-ef67-9206-65ad-de529094e103@earthlink.net>
References: <37c2648b-ef67-9206-65ad-de529094e103@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B1DFD05F-CDC7-46A3-A817-3E90BF8CAC60@flash.net>

Thanks Brian,
May do that, I tried the license lookup site for Oregon, wasn?t listed.  Could be it has been off the road too long 
Bill


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 10:36 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?I'd recommend calling the Oregon DMV.  Tell them you are looking at buying the car and give them the plate.  They should be able to confirm the plate is ok and when it was last registered.

Brian

> On 1/26/2020 5:26 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.
> 
> No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.   Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
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From ronald.griffing at comcast.net  Sun Jan 26 21:57:29 2020
From: ronald.griffing at comcast.net (RONALD GRIFFING)
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2020 20:57:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
In-Reply-To: <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>
References: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
 <D3D57437-B015-4E21-8602-9B6C6763DDDF@flash.net>
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The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16.

> On January 26, 2020 at 7:55 PM "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
>     Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works:
> 
>     https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/
> 
> 
> 
>     ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
> 
> 
>         > > On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     >      
>     Post the ad so we can have a look.
> 
> 
> 
>     On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.   
> 
>     No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.  Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this? 
> 
>     Bill
> 
> 
>     ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Mon Jan 27 04:33:54 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 06:33:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix
 Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links plus 1992
References: <31F5E805-EC0D-4413-BEBE-4F02B6C652D3@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5982F9DF-2150-496B-8EBF-A7FDEAC4EF32@columbus.rr.com>

For those who haven? heard Triumph is the featured marque at Mid Ohio races in June . The 1992 and 2002 events were an overwhelming experience. Thank Bill and Dan for preserving these events and sharing the Videos. 

https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Subject: Fwd: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links plus 1992
> Date: January 27, 2020 at 6:15:09 AM EST
> To: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> Cc: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphtr2 at aol.com
> 
> 
> 1992 Mid Ohio
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk>
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu45n-9Beyk <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu45n-9Beyk>
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links
>> Date: January 26, 2020 at 9:43:04 PM EST
>> To: fot at autox.team.net
>> Reply-To: Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com>
>> 
>> Remember it well.
>> 
>> Brings back warm memories.
>> 
>> Bill Dentinger
>> 
>> Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
>> Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com <http://mail.mobile.aol.com/>
>> On Sunday, January 26, 2020, Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee
>> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:00 PM
>> To: fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net <mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
>> Subject: Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent
>>  
>> I have uploaded to Youtube video from the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix 
>> which was taken of the Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent
>> and some video of Triumphs staged in the false grid.
>> 
>> These links should get you there. It is in 3 parts
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc>
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc>	
>> 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc>
>> This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...
>> www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU>
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU>	
>> 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 2 of 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU>
>> This is the second of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This w...
>> www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s>
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s>	
>> 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 3 of 3 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIbN3zTQw1c&t=11s>
>> This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...
>> www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/>
>> 
>> Also Triumphs on the false grid
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y>
>>  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y>	
>> 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false grid <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y>
>> This video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged...
>> www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> YoursinTriumph
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 05:58:22 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:58:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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On 1/26/20 9:57 PM, RONALD GRIFFING wrote:
> The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is 
> always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16.

umm, Doesn't the registration sticker go on the back and not the front? 
maybe the plates were off the vehicle for a while or maybe are the wrong 
plates?

TeriAnn

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From ronald.griffing at comcast.net  Mon Jan 27 06:03:46 2020
From: ronald.griffing at comcast.net (RONALD GRIFFING)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 05:03:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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References: <1060578872.20228749.1580092707359@mail.yahoo.com>
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In OR they go on both ends of the car. they should be month on the left and year on the right.

Ron

> On January 27, 2020 at 4:58 AM "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     On 1/26/20 9:57 PM, RONALD GRIFFING wrote:
> 
>         > >         The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16.
> > 
> >     > 
>     umm, Doesn't the registration sticker go on the back and not the front? maybe the plates were off the vehicle for a while or maybe are the wrong plates?
> 
>     TeriAnn
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From Tommie.Cook at USONCOLOGY.COM  Mon Jan 27 06:59:32 2020
From: Tommie.Cook at USONCOLOGY.COM (Cook, Tommie)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:59:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Fwd: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio
 Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent
 with links plus 1992
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Thank you for sharing this.
I think the 1992 race has my 69 GT6 in it driven by Mike Cammarata.

Tommie Cook

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Tom Householder
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2020 5:34 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: Ron Gordon <nein44 at comcast.net>; Dan Morris <daupuni at gmail.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] Fwd: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links plus 1992

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For those who haven? heard Triumph is the featured marque at Mid Ohio races in June . The 1992 and 2002 events were an overwhelming experience. Thank Bill and Dan for preserving these events and sharing the Videos.

https://svra.com/events/2020-vintage-grand-prix-of-mid-ohio/<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__svra.com_events_2020-2Dvintage-2Dgrand-2Dprix-2Dof-2Dmid-2Dohio_&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=78yLshLnOPg6imMsSRhTKpyPE1Ev1_ywHGPy4b1BMmQ&e=>


Begin forwarded message:

From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
Subject: Fwd: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links plus 1992
Date: January 27, 2020 at 6:15:09 AM EST
To: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
Cc: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphtr2 at aol.com


1992 Mid Ohio


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6d7y-HXjIUk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3D6d7y-2DHXjIUk&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=UbDm79h9QckVO_pftu_UY0jlVDWXjAzw03NEEuQxOr8&e=>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu45n-9Beyk<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3Dzu45n-2D9Beyk&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=_uDXfD9Xfz-77Qk6fs1IGLmlsZSA6zeF41t046A71Fw&e=>


Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Dentinger via Fot <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent with links
Date: January 26, 2020 at 9:43:04 PM EST
To: fot at autox.team.net
Reply-To: Bill Dentinger <billdentin at aol.com>

Remember it well.

Brings back warm memories.

Bill Dentinger
Sent from AOL Mobile Mail
Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mail.mobile.aol.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=bC-xHU8qPD6GqYEiOdgmOOG-SggEDqYQoLR9SA62m10&e=>

On Sunday, January 26, 2020, Styduhar, Daniel Lee via Fot <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>> wrote:



________________________________
From: Styduhar, Daniel Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 1:00 PM
To: fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net> <fot at autox.team.net<mailto:fot at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Uploaded video of 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent

I have uploaded to Youtube video from the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix
which was taken of the Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent
and some video of Triumphs staged in the false grid.

These links should get you there. It is in 3 parts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSeDS9KxIAc<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DlSeDS9KxIAc&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=_IXCyUNvtFhzNxu04x9UnJHq1drZF2O7KwcI8Fcyn6g&e=>
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2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumph enthusiasts gathering under the big white tent part 1 of 3<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DlSeDS9KxIAc&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=_IXCyUNvtFhzNxu04x9UnJHq1drZF2O7KwcI8Fcyn6g&e=>
This is the first of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqlo9yWEeCU<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DLqlo9yWEeCU&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=0Y6AC1NxfAKuhUbOCYlt3N2dxqtRjyMo2giyZAc01b4&e=>
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This is the third of a three-part recording of the proceedings of the gathering of Triumph enthusiasts. The Master of Ceremonies was Tom Householder. This wa...
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Also Triumphs on the false grid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE5eLoFHf6Y<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DpE5eLoFHf6Y&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=tr8mvSgashl7H8l6zWedP7n1bpPAozsiHunyNdc1Uxo&e=>
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2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix Triumphs staged on the false grid<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.youtube.com_watch-3Fv-3DpE5eLoFHf6Y&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=8dtyYmjgSbiJPEtSTVPBgYNKurrTOsHmobdVoggJ1kA&s=tr8mvSgashl7H8l6zWedP7n1bpPAozsiHunyNdc1Uxo&e=>
This video is of some of the Triumphs that participated in the 2002 Mid Ohio Vintage Grand Prix. I took the video while various race groups were being staged...
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jan 27 10:32:38 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:32:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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References: <EDB10801-2128-436E-8999-A4379B23A9DF.ref@flash.net>
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Good idea, made the call, car was last registered in 2016, not reported stolen.
Thx,
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Kemp [mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:37 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale

I'd recommend calling the Oregon DMV.  Tell them you are looking at buying the car and give them the plate.  They should be able to confirm the plate is ok and when it was last registered.

Brian

On 1/26/2020 5:26 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.
>
> No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.   Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?
>
> Bill
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan 27 10:46:44 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 11:46:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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I pm?d her.  Its about 2 ? hours from me (I?m in dallas).  Looks like maybe a 73 or early pre rubber bumper 74?

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of RONALD GRIFFING
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:57 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net; Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale

 

The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16. 

On January 26, 2020 at 7:55 PM "Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net> " <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote: 

Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works: 

 

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/

 

 

 

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On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com <mailto:triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> > wrote: 

  

Post the ad so we can have a look. 

 

 

 

On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.    

 

No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.  Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?  

 

Bill 

 

 

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 27 11:34:46 2020
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:34:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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 Nah......it's an early '74.? Has turn signals above the bumper, but holes in the bumper to mount the rubber "rams".
Chad in Tulsa.
    On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:21:28 PM CST, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
I pm?d her.? Its about 2 ? hours from me (I?m in dallas).? Looks like maybe a 73 or early pre rubber bumper 74?

 ?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of RONALD GRIFFING
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:57 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net; Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale

 ?

The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16. 


On January 26, 2020 at 7:55 PM "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 

Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works: 

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/

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On Jan 26, 2020, at 8:38 PM, Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote: 


? 

Post the ad so we can have a look. 

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On Sunday, January 26, 2020, 07:26:58 PM CST, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 

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Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.? ? 

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No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.? Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?? 

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 27 11:36:14 2020
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:36:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale
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 Wonder how an Oregon car got to Idabel, OK?? It doesn't look like it would have driven there......and it would have cost nearly the asking price to ship it there.....
I'm sure there is an interesting story.
Chad in Tulsa


    On Monday, January 27, 2020, 12:21:28 PM CST, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
I pm?d her.? Its about 2 ? hours from me (I?m in dallas).? Looks like maybe a 73 or early pre rubber bumper 74?

 ?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of RONALD GRIFFING
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:57 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net; Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Questionable TR6 for sale

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The green sticker with the 6 is a June expiration for OR. They year is always a 2 digit number, ie.. 06 or 16. 


On January 26, 2020 at 7:55 PM "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 

Can?t figure out how to post it but here is the local link, hope this works: 

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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/545453579416880/

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? 

Post the ad so we can have a look. 

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Just answered an ad for a ?74 Blue TR6 at a very reasonable price, even though it has been gutted to just the body and drivetrain.? ? 

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No title or VIN given and Oregon Plate 789 ESG, has a ?6? sticker so thinking it was registered to either ?06 or ?16.? Anyone know if a missing car that might fit this?? 

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From chandler.rick at comcast.net  Mon Jan 27 12:38:30 2020
From: chandler.rick at comcast.net (chandler.rick at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 13:38:30 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
Message-ID: <001401d5d549$60a25d40$21e717c0$@comcast.net>

I lived for several years with a funky fuel gauge on my TR3A. Last summer I
reviewed my wire loom and found that I had not directly connected the sender
unit to chassis ground (my TR is wired as negative ground). My dedicated
ground wire from sender to dashboard gauge was NOT sufficient. Once I had
completed my "redundant" grounding the calibration was straightforward and
stable via the MGB reference. The gauge works perfectly now and tracks my
calibrated dipstick. What a joy to motor with a functioning fuel gauge.

 



 

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From lherault at verizon.net  Mon Jan 27 13:52:28 2020
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:52:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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Warning:   This is not Triumph related.   

 

I'm an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had
sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I'd seen this usage.  Now
it appears in a mailing list message.

"Needs Restored like that one."

---------------------------------

I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the
recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  "You will write 'needs
to be restored' 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will
write 'needs restoration' 100 times as well."   

 

So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately,
super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of
the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I'm definitely not a
great writer and don't spell everything correctly, but I'm extremely curious
to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who
may be able to help me. 

 

Let's hear it for fluif.

 

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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Jan 27 14:05:07 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 14:05:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
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I resemble that remark!  :)


> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
> 
>      
> 
>     I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> 
>     ?Needs Restored like that one.?
> 
>     ---------------------------------
> 
>     I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
> 
>      
> 
>     So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
> 
>      
> 
>     Let?s hear it for fluif.
> 
>      
> 
>     Ron L?Herault
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 


 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jan 27 14:29:28 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:29:28 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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Never heard that line in Texas. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:05 PM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
> 

?
I resemble that remark!  :)



>> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>> 
>> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> 
>> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ron L?Herault
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
>  
> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jan 27 14:29:28 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 15:29:28 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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References: <1535396776.926236.1580159107916@myemail.cox.net>
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Never heard that line in Texas. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 27, 2020, at 3:05 PM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
> 

?
I resemble that remark!  :)



>> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>> 
>> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
>> 
>> ---------------------------------
>> 
>> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ron L?Herault
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
>  
> 
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 27 15:19:04 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:19:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Jan 27 15:19:12 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 17:19:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now.  One:  prescriptive.  Two:  descriptive.  Three:  Transformational.

Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive.  Language "must" adhere.  

Trouble is, language is constantly evolving.  Sentence subjects are no longer as gender specific.  It's now okay to write lite instead of light.  Descriptive grammar is how people actually use it.  Hence it's not inappropriate to use the term "needs restored."

Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to when it is first acquired as an infant.  Children "babble" in Chinese long before they actually start speaking Chinese.  Deep structure is the term used for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe when ellipses remove words, yet we still understand the meaning:  "Needs [to be] restored like that one."

I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was teaching remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English Nazis all through school.  It took some major doing to get them to relax enough with language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to English words from an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't sweat that you haven't memorized the difference between night and knight.  

Obligatory Triumph content:  "I put fluif in my Triumf."

> On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I resemble that remark!  :)
> 
> 
>         > > On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> > 
> >         ?Needs Restored like that one.?
> > 
> >         ---------------------------------
> > 
> >         I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Let?s hear it for fluif.
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Ron L?Herault
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >     > 
> 
>      
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan 27 17:16:48 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:16:48 -0800
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
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The way I see it, the purpose of language is to communicate.  If you have
successfully communicated, then you have used language "good enuf".

Leaving out a couple of words or letters, especially when (perhaps) typing
on a device with limited screen size and no physical keys at all, seems
perfectly reasonable to me; as long as the meaning can still be discerned.

I often leave out words when texting with my friends; as well as in casual
conversation.  "Lunch?" is certainly not "grammatical" and yet just as
effective (and a lot easier to type) as "Are you available to join me for
lunch today?".  (Never mind the fact that I think I would look funny after
being joined with my friend.)

As far as women in funny clothes with sticks, look up "indoctrination" and
then "Stockholm Syndrome".

-- Randall 


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jan 27 17:31:02 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 16:31:02 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
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References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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Message-ID: <C843C268828943058AEBB0E53C0E7AB6@RYPC>

Check that the resistor value has not drifted too much.  I don't recall the
correct value for the TR gauge offhand, but it's not the same as the MGA
that Barney "MGAguru" was working on.  It's worth checking the magnetic
coils as well, not only for resistance but for a short to ground inside the
coil.

Also make sure both the gauge and the sending unit are securely grounded.

When doing mine, I found that the tabs on the coils were not adequate to
keep them from turning.  They have to be turned so the gap between the pole
pieces and the moving armature is reasonably constant across the width of
the pole piece; which you can only see with the face removed.  Mine wanted
to turn so one corner was almost touching the armature.

I never did get mine very accurate across the scale; but it pointed to 'E'
before I ran out of gas, and 'F' after I filled the tank, so I thought it
close enough.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> Listers,
> I'm completing a restoration on a 1955 TR2.  The fuel gauge 
> isn't working.  Wiring is good, gauge was dead.  Finally 
> opened the gauge and found a broken wire.  Repaired the wire. 
>  Using mga guru instructions, I tried, for a long time, to 
> calibrate the gauge.  I can set the Full position, but can't 
> get close to calibrating the 1/2 mark.  When I get it close, 
> just the slightest pressure on the nut drives it to one end 
> or the other.  Took what I had for calibration and tried it 
> on the cars's 3/4 full tank.  It read about 1/4.  I'm 
> thinking that because the calibration for 1/2 tank is so 
> touchy, there is a bigger problem.  Any thoughts will be appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 


From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 17:47:03 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 18:47:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
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Thanks Terry,

Well put, language is an arbitrary convention, as long as we agree and
understand what it means, it works.  The advent of cell phones and social
media has many more people using the written form of the English language
to communicate, using shorthand statements and writing how they speak.
Although it took me a while to get used to it, "my bad" from pick up
basketball is another example of one of those things that may grate on the
nerves, but you know what it means.

If you want to criticize grammar used in texts, social media, email, and
advertisements posted by greasy gear heads more power to you, but you are
fighting a battle that was lost long ago.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 4:19 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> For what it's worth, there are three types of grammar, maybe more now.
> One:  prescriptive.  Two:  descriptive.  Three:  Transformational.
>
> Sister Eloise with the stick was decidedly prescriptive.  Language "must"
> adhere.
>
> Trouble is, language is constantly evolving.  Sentence subjects are no
> longer as gender specific.  It's now okay to write lite instead of light.
> Descriptive grammar is how people actually use it.  Hence it's not
> inappropriate to use the term "needs restored."
>
> Transformational grammar is the study of language that takes it back to
> when it is first acquired as an infant.  Children "babble" in Chinese long
> before they actually start speaking Chinese.  Deep structure is the term
> used for when a thought first becomes language and helps describe when
> ellipses remove words, yet we still understand the meaning:  "Needs [to be]
> restored like that one."
>
> I taught high school English for several years and my specialty was
> teaching remedial writing to kids who had failed at that hands of English
> Nazis all through school.  It took some major doing to get them to relax
> enough with language to realize that spelling, for instance, comes to
> English words from an anarchy of imported foreign languages, so don't sweat
> that you haven't memorized the difference between night and knight.
>
> Obligatory Triumph content:  "I put fluif in my Triumf."
>
> On January 27, 2020 at 4:05 PM JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:
>
> I resemble that remark!  :)
>
>
> On January 27, 2020 at 1:52 PM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> Warning:   This is not Triumph related.
>
>
>
> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who
> had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.
> Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>
> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the
> recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs
> to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will
> write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?
>
>
>
> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer
> privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In
> what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m
> definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m
> extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice
> friendly group who may be able to help me.
>
>
>
> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>
>
>
> Ron L?Herault
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jan 27 21:12:49 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2020 22:12:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
In-Reply-To: <C843C268828943058AEBB0E53C0E7AB6@RYPC>
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
 <C843C268828943058AEBB0E53C0E7AB6@RYPC>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aY7TS4DGaUuyHPgsWMtqJWR2ssEx8UPyE+KvA_578Scsg@mail.gmail.com>

Randall wrote: "I never did get mine very accurate across the scale; but it
pointed to 'E'
before I ran out of gas, and 'F' after I filled the tank, so I thought it
close enough."

I think that is about how they came from the factory, seems like the gauges
would usually spend about 3/4 of a tank reading over half a tank, then
seemingly run down the last half of the gauge very quickly.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020, 6:37 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> Check that the resistor value has not drifted too much.  I don't recall the
> correct value for the TR gauge offhand, but it's not the same as the MGA
> that Barney "MGAguru" was working on.  It's worth checking the magnetic
> coils as well, not only for resistance but for a short to ground inside the
> coil.
>
> Also make sure both the gauge and the sending unit are securely grounded.
>
> When doing mine, I found that the tabs on the coils were not adequate to
> keep them from turning.  They have to be turned so the gap between the pole
> pieces and the moving armature is reasonably constant across the width of
> the pole piece; which you can only see with the face removed.  Mine wanted
> to turn so one corner was almost touching the armature.
>
> I never did get mine very accurate across the scale; but it pointed to 'E'
> before I ran out of gas, and 'F' after I filled the tank, so I thought it
> close enough.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
> > Listers,
> > I'm completing a restoration on a 1955 TR2.  The fuel gauge
> > isn't working.  Wiring is good, gauge was dead.  Finally
> > opened the gauge and found a broken wire.  Repaired the wire.
> >  Using mga guru instructions, I tried, for a long time, to
> > calibrate the gauge.  I can set the Full position, but can't
> > get close to calibrating the 1/2 mark.  When I get it close,
> > just the slightest pressure on the nut drives it to one end
> > or the other.  Took what I had for calibration and tried it
> > on the cars's 3/4 full tank.  It read about 1/4.  I'm
> > thinking that because the calibration for 1/2 tank is so
> > touchy, there is a bigger problem.  Any thoughts will be appreciated.
> > John DeLuca
> >
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 05:07:55 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 05:07:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aY7TS4DGaUuyHPgsWMtqJWR2ssEx8UPyE+KvA_578Scsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
 <C843C268828943058AEBB0E53C0E7AB6@RYPC>
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Message-ID: <e1a2a975-b3ca-31a5-b216-f6241531823f@gmail.com>

On 1/27/20 9:12 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> I think that is about how they came from the factory, seems like the 
> gauges would usually spend about 3/4 of a tank reading over half a 
> tank, then seemingly run down the last half of the gauge very quickly.
>
That's how mine work in both the TR3 and Land Rover (both 1960)

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan 28 05:20:10 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 12:20:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge
In-Reply-To: <e1a2a975-b3ca-31a5-b216-f6241531823f@gmail.com>
References: <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <8556A55B-8383-4808-BE21-BC756A3C0B68@sbcglobal.net>
 <C843C268828943058AEBB0E53C0E7AB6@RYPC>
 <CAFtw3aY7TS4DGaUuyHPgsWMtqJWR2ssEx8UPyE+KvA_578Scsg@mail.gmail.com>
 <e1a2a975-b3ca-31a5-b216-f6241531823f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1852236603.240958.1580214010506@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have found that a very good, and maybe a better, fuel gauge is the trip odometer.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 6:08 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 fuel gauge

 On 1/27/20 9:12 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
  
 
I think that is about how they came from the factory, seems like the gauges would usually spend about 3/4 of a tank reading over half a tank, then seemingly run down the last half of the gauge very quickly.  
   That's how mine work in both the TR3 and Land Rover (both 1960) TeriAnn
  
 
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Tue Jan 28 12:50:13 2020
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 14:50:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Needs Repaired
Message-ID: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>

"Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> > wrote:

Subject: [TR] needs repaired

>Warning:   This is not Triumph related.   

 

> I'm an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who
had

>sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I'd seen this usage.  Now

>it appears in a mailing list message.

 

>"Needs Restored like that one."

 

Ron - 

    I heard something very similar a few years ago.  A friend was
complaining about a crying child and said "That baby needs spanked." Turns
out the speaker was from Pittsburgh. Somehow the future tense ("needs to be
spanked") has evolved out of the language there.  He insisted that
"everybody" there talks like that. YMMV.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan 28 12:59:29 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 19:59:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Needs Repaired
In-Reply-To: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
References: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1416260288.393273.1580241570004@mail.yahoo.com>

 Here's a helpful websight:
https://www.smart-words.org/how-to-write-good.html
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dctr6 <dctr6 at optonline.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 1:50 pm
Subject: [TR] Needs Repaired

&lt;!-- #yiv3840630061 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3840630061 #yiv3840630061 a:link, #yiv3840630061 span.yiv3840630061MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3840630061 p.yiv3840630061MsoPlainText, #yiv3840630061 li.yiv3840630061MsoPlainText, #yiv3840630061 div.yiv3840630061MsoPlainText {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv3840630061 span.yiv3840630061EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv3840630061 span.yiv3840630061PlainTextChar {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv3840630061 .yiv3840630061MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv3840630061 div.yiv3840630061WordSection1 {} --&gt;"Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:Subject: [TR] needs repaired>Warning:?? This is not Triumph related.??  ?> I'm an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had>sticks.? 8-).???? Face Book, was the first place I'd seen this usage.? Now>it appears in a mailing list message. ?>"Needs Restored like that one." ?Ron ? ????I heard something very similar a few years ago.? A friend was complaining about a crying child and said ?That baby needs spanked.? Turns out the speaker was from Pittsburgh. Somehow the future tense (?needs to be spanked?) has evolved out of the language there.? He insisted that ?everybody? there talks like that. YMMV.Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 28 13:54:23 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:54:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] need a relay  non Triumph
In-Reply-To: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
References: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <234536939.465676.1580244863676@mail.yahoo.com>

 a need a reverse relay as it where.function:
in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
you EE guys can you find me a part number
12 volt low amps
Frank
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Tue Jan 28 14:22:59 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:22:59 -0800
Subject: [TR] need a relay  non Triumph
In-Reply-To: <234536939.465676.1580244863676@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
 <234536939.465676.1580244863676@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7E5929A-0277-4796-9C82-48EC614BFFBB@mac.com>


A five pin relay should have that feature, it would be pin 87a.

https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf <https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf>

-Darrell

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> a need a reverse relay as it where.
> function:
> 
> in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.
> when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
> 
> you EE guys can you find me a part number
> 
> 12 volt low amps
> 
> Frank
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan 28 14:49:05 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 21:49:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] need a relay  non Triumph
References: <505070498.488617.1580248145147.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <505070498.488617.1580248145147@mail.yahoo.com>

 >>in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.
When a switch is "open" electricity will not pass.? The two contacts are separated and electric current flow is blocked.? When a switch is "closed" the two contacts and touching allowing current to flow.? This is opposite of the terminology used for valves which will allow fluid to flow when "open" and will block fluid flow when "closed."
So, this begs the question: what is it you want to do?? If you are referring to the neutral safety switch on a car equipped with an automatic transmission, it is designed to allow the starter to operate only when the transmission is in either Neutral or in Park.? Do you wish to do something different?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] need a relay non Triumph


A five pin relay should have that feature, it would be pin 87a.
https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf
-Darrell


On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 a need a reverse relay as it where.function:
in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
you EE guys can you find me a part number
12 volt low amps
Frank
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 28 16:57:10 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:57:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] need a relay  non Triumph
In-Reply-To: <505070498.488617.1580248145147@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <505070498.488617.1580248145147.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <505070498.488617.1580248145147@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <526992642.488060.1580255830439@mail.yahoo.com>

 i guess then when sitting in the parking lot doing nothing. i want the switch closed.after i start the motor and the lights come on i want the switch to open


    On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 01:49:10 PM PST, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:  
 
  >>in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.
When a switch is "open" electricity will not pass.? The two contacts are separated and electric current flow is blocked.? When a switch is "closed" the two contacts and touching allowing current to flow.? This is opposite of the terminology used for valves which will allow fluid to flow when "open" and will block fluid flow when "closed."
So, this begs the question: what is it you want to do?? If you are referring to the neutral safety switch on a car equipped with an automatic transmission, it is designed to allow the starter to operate only when the transmission is in either Neutral or in Park.? Do you wish to do something different?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] need a relay non Triumph


A five pin relay should have that feature, it would be pin 87a.
https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf
-Darrell


On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 a need a reverse relay as it where.function:
in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
you EE guys can you find me a part number
12 volt low amps
Frank
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jan 28 17:03:41 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 00:03:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] need a relay  non Triumph
In-Reply-To: <526992642.488060.1580255830439@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <505070498.488617.1580248145147.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <526992642.488060.1580255830439@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <649627891.487826.1580256221625@mail.yahoo.com>

 What is connected to the switch?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: darrellw360 <darrellw360 at mac.com>; DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 5:57 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] need a relay non Triumph

 i guess then when sitting in the parking lot doing nothing. i want the switch closed.after i start the motor and the lights come on i want the switch to open


    On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, 01:49:10 PM PST, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:  
 
  >>in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.
When a switch is "open" electricity will not pass.? The two contacts are separated and electric current flow is blocked.? When a switch is "closed" the two contacts and touching allowing current to flow.? This is opposite of the terminology used for valves which will allow fluid to flow when "open" and will block fluid flow when "closed."
So, this begs the question: what is it you want to do?? If you are referring to the neutral safety switch on a car equipped with an automatic transmission, it is designed to allow the starter to operate only when the transmission is in either Neutral or in Park.? Do you wish to do something different?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] need a relay non Triumph


A five pin relay should have that feature, it would be pin 87a.
https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf
-Darrell


On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 a need a reverse relay as it where.function:
in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
you EE guys can you find me a part number
12 volt low amps
Frank
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Tue Jan 28 18:00:48 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 18:00:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] need a relay non Triumph
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On 1/28/2020 4:57 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> i guess then when sitting in the parking lot doing nothing. i want the 
> switch closed.
> after i start the motor and the lights come on i want the switch to open
>
>
>
After reading your intended use, it seems to me that the simplest and 
safest way to solve this problem is to fix the original fault.? Despite 
what you say about the dealer being unable to find the problem, it's not 
rocket science.? I'm assuming that the key on this car only operates the 
locks from the outside with an rf signal and does not have a metal key 
on the remote (affixes to the ignition switch magnetically).

If the turn signals flash when you operate the remote, then the rf 
circuit is powered and is working.? Do the door locks work when the 
interior lock buttons are pushed?? If so, that means the door lock 
solenoids are working and the relay is operating.

That means that there's problem in the computer that runs the body 
circuits or the door lock relay isn't getting a signal from the 
computer, but it is getting it from the interior switch. Typically, 
these circuits have a dedicated driver in the computer that outputs 
enough current to pull in the relay (50-75 mA).? If that driver is bad, 
the computer can't pull in the relay.? If the door lock relay is run by 
both the manual switch and the computer, it's likely that the two 
circuits are isolated by diodes.? A blown diode in the computer side of 
the circuit will prevent it from actuating the locks, as will a physical 
break in the wiring from the computer to the relay.? It can also be a 
break in the wiring that sends a signal from the rf receiver to the 
computer.

Too many shops today depend too heavily on scanners, and this sounds 
like a problem that requires some old-fashioned circuit tracing and 
fault-elimination logic.

The problem I see about your jiggered switch arrangement is that the 
locks have to operate in two modes, locking and unlocking, and the relay 
used is probably a center-off, momentary switching type.? Trying to 
booger up the circuit with a secondary switch may make things worse, not 
better.? Do you know if the wiring schematics for this model and year 
are available online?? That would be a big help, knowing what's 
installed, rather than guessing.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 28 21:16:11 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 20:16:11 -0800
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$@net>
References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
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Some people have an eye for this type of thing.? In my case, I'm drawn 
to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at 
the end of a sentence.

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
>
> Warning:?? This is not Triumph related.
>
> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns 
> who had sticks.? 8-).???? Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this 
> usage.? Now it appears in a mailing list message.
>
> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what??? Then deep in 
> the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying? ?You will 
> write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are 
> done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?
>
> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer 
> privately, super.?? Do you use this sentence construction habitually?? 
> In what part of the country do you live?? I was not an English major. 
> I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything 
> correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the 
> usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>
> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>
> Ron L?Herault
>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jan 28 21:35:41 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:35:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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Brian,
Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

? 
Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
> Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
>  
> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
> ---------------------------------
> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
>  
> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>  
> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>  
> Ron L?Herault
>  
> 
> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jan 28 21:35:41 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:35:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <90b0bca7-c3e4-5d44-f367-bfffc0ae3630@earthlink.net>
References: <90b0bca7-c3e4-5d44-f367-bfffc0ae3630@earthlink.net>
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Brian,
Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

? 
Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
> Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
>  
> I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
> ?Needs Restored like that one.?
> ---------------------------------
> I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
>  
> So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
>  
> Let?s hear it for fluif.
>  
> Ron L?Herault
>  
> 
> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jan 28 21:38:35 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 22:38:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one amber fog light.  Is there any reasoning for this setup?  
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Jan 28 22:15:06 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 23:15:06 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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You?re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.  The
combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain back then
as a way of having both options to the driver.  Not seen or at least rare
in the US in period, as far as I know.

TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

Don

On Tuesday, January 28, 2020, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one
> amber fog light.  Is there any reasoning for this setup?
> Bill
>
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 29 06:19:33 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:19:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
References: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 OK.? "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."? Question: What color are the cats?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian,Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nutsB

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:


? 
 Some people have an eye for this type of thing.? In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
 
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt
 
 
 On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
  
 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 29 06:22:57 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:22:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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 Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
;-)
Seriously, I figure it is for having one of each because one needs one or the other from time to time and there isn't enough room for two of each. 
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:38 pm
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one amber fog light.? Is there any reasoning for this setup?? 
Bill

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 06:35:10 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 06:35:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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On 1/28/20 10:15 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> You???re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.? 
> The combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain 
> back then as a way of having both options to the driver.? Not seen or 
> at least rare in the US in period, as far as I know.
When the weather warms up a bit That is the combination I have ready to 
install on my TR3. Of course you need a switch for each because you 
would normally run either the fog or driving lamp. If you had jst fog or 
driving lights you would only need a single switch. The amber fog lights 
were required in France because they cut through the fog better and less 
annoying reflected off droplets of water. They were also optional in 
different countries.
>
> TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

I will be using the Lucas PS-7 switch panel shown at the bottom of the 
web page.

TeriAnn


From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 29 07:20:05 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:20:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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 <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1492857588.702511.1580307605677@mail.yahoo.com>

 to add to TerriAnni remember when we would journey to the continent we would buy a little bottle of amber paint and paint the white headlights of one's car.the paint dried to a see through amber color.frank
    On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 05:35:24 AM PST, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 On 1/28/20 10:15 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> You???re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.? 
> The combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain 
> back then as a way of having both options to the driver.? Not seen or 
> at least rare in the US in period, as far as I know.
When the weather warms up a bit That is the combination I have ready to 
install on my TR3. Of course you need a switch for each because you 
would normally run either the fog or driving lamp. If you had jst fog or 
driving lights you would only need a single switch. The amber fog lights 
were required in France because they cut through the fog better and less 
annoying reflected off droplets of water. They were also optional in 
different countries.
>
> TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

I will be using the Lucas PS-7 switch panel shown at the bottom of the 
web page.

TeriAnn

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Jan 29 07:28:57 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:28:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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Frank, I also seem to remember that you could also buy amber headlight covers that clipped on. I think they incorporated a prism design that would direct the dipped beam to the right, instead of the left, so that your dipped headlights would not dazzle any on-coming Frenchman. Or maybe I dreamed this after imbibing too much Double Diamond...

Yer old mate Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 29, 2020, at 08:20, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com<mailto:yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>> wrote:

to add to TerriAnn
i remember when we would journey to the continent we would buy a little bottle of amber paint and paint the white headlights of one's car.
the paint dried to a see through amber color.
frank

On Wednesday, January 29, 2020, 05:35:24 AM PST, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com<mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:


On 1/28/20 10:15 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> You???re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.
> The combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain
> back then as a way of having both options to the driver.  Not seen or
> at least rare in the US in period, as far as I know.
When the weather warms up a bit That is the combination I have ready to
install on my TR3. Of course you need a switch for each because you
would normally run either the fog or driving lamp. If you had jst fog or
driving lights you would only need a single switch. The amber fog lights
were required in France because they cut through the fog better and less
annoying reflected off droplets of water. They were also optional in
different countries.
>
> TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.tr3a.info_Lucas-5Faux-5Flights.htm&d=DwMFaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=Cl3v3Q-hxHa-MTzF4bEuPJ-j15CC8GG5mhQw6P5oD_k&s=IXjtIjfsC0bv60-oim6QGWZgvNxyIATB4oQY31IJlF8&e=>

I will be using the Lucas PS-7 switch panel shown at the bottom of the
web page.

TeriAnn


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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 08:34:02 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:34:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
References: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <648DF0BD-63D9-4E81-8E2F-E1E2E6C563B6@flash.net>

TeriAnn,
Thank you for the comprehensive coverage on your web page.  Just one question, where will you mount that small switch panel?

Bill
TS30800L

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:35 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?On 1/28/20 10:15 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> You???re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.  The combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain back then as a way of having both options to the driver.  Not seen or at least rare in the US in period, as far as I know.
When the weather warms up a bit That is the combination I have ready to install on my TR3. Of course you need a switch for each because you would normally run either the fog or driving lamp. If you had jst fog or driving lights you would only need a single switch. The amber fog lights were required in France because they cut through the fog better and less annoying reflected off droplets of water. They were also optional in different countries.
> 
> TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

I will be using the Lucas PS-7 switch panel shown at the bottom of the web page.

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 08:34:02 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:34:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
References: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
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TeriAnn,
Thank you for the comprehensive coverage on your web page.  Just one question, where will you mount that small switch panel?

Bill
TS30800L

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:35 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?On 1/28/20 10:15 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> You???re probably seeimg an amber fog and a white spot light, Bill.  The combination of one light of each type was not uncommon in Britain back then as a way of having both options to the driver.  Not seen or at least rare in the US in period, as far as I know.
When the weather warms up a bit That is the combination I have ready to install on my TR3. Of course you need a switch for each because you would normally run either the fog or driving lamp. If you had jst fog or driving lights you would only need a single switch. The amber fog lights were required in France because they cut through the fog better and less annoying reflected off droplets of water. They were also optional in different countries.
> 
> TerriAnn has stsrted a page on this subject within her TR3A website.

http://www.tr3a.info/Lucas_aux_lights.htm

I will be using the Lucas PS-7 switch panel shown at the bottom of the web page.

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 08:45:29 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:45:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BFCABA1-2D4D-4BDF-86DB-33894E5E0E56@flash.net>

Brown of course, same as the dogs. 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 

?
OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian,
Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?

Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
 
I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
?Needs Restored like that one.?
---------------------------------
I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
 
So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
 
Let?s hear it for fluif.
 
Ron L?Herault
 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 08:45:29 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:45:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0BFCABA1-2D4D-4BDF-86DB-33894E5E0E56@flash.net>

Brown of course, same as the dogs. 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 

?
OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian,
Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?

Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
 
I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
?Needs Restored like that one.?
---------------------------------
I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
 
So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
 
Let?s hear it for fluif.
 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 09:11:44 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 09:11:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <648DF0BD-63D9-4E81-8E2F-E1E2E6C563B6@flash.net>
References: <94b2c399-92d6-9f08-eacd-e391e04b56e8@gmail.com>
 <648DF0BD-63D9-4E81-8E2F-E1E2E6C563B6@flash.net>
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On 1/29/20 8:34 AM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> TeriAnn,
> Thank you for the comprehensive coverage on your web page.  Just one question, where will you mount that small switch panel?

The Lucas PS-7 switch panel is only 2-1/2" long at the top, 1-3/4" long 
at the bottom, and 1-1/2 inch high so it is very compact. My plan is to 
mount it to the underside of the instrument panel on the passenger side 
right where the bottom of the instrument panel goes back up (Just above 
the hand brake lever). It should not interfere with passenger leg room 
because of its location and small size and it will be in easy driver reach.

About 15 years ago I picked up a last pair of red Lucas 576 lamp covers 
(my TR is red) at the Monterey car week parts sale (same hotel event 
where I picked up my NOS, still in boxes, Smiths TR3 thermostats, and my 
60s vintage Hella metal air horn trio with compressor). I think I'm 
going to pick up a black pair of lamp covers for everyday use and save 
the unobtanium red ones for club drives and lawn leaks.

TeriAnn


From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 29 09:56:56 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 16:56:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <0BFCABA1-2D4D-4BDF-86DB-33894E5E0E56@flash.net>
References: <1190749718.694300.1580303973723@mail.yahoo.com>
 <0BFCABA1-2D4D-4BDF-86DB-33894E5E0E56@flash.net>
Message-ID: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>

 Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."? Question: What color are the cats? 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs.?
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:


? OK.? "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."? Question: What color are the cats?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian,Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nutsB

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:


? 
 Some people have an eye for this type of thing.? In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
 
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt
 
 
 On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
  
 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 10:06:01 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:06:01 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>

Don?t know, he doesn?t say.  :-)

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 

?
Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs. 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
> 
> Brian,
> Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
> B
> 
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
> 
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?

Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
 
I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
?Needs Restored like that one.?
---------------------------------
I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
 
So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
 
Let?s hear it for fluif.
 
Ron L?Herault
 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 10:06:01 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:06:01 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>

Don?t know, he doesn?t say.  :-)

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 

?
Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs. 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

>> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
> 
> Brian,
> Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts
> B
> 
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
> 
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 

?

Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt


On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.  
 
I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.
?Needs Restored like that one.?
---------------------------------
I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?  
 
So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me.
 
Let?s hear it for fluif.
 
Ron L?Herault
 

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Jan 29 10:32:51 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:32:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>

Years ago, my cousin told me that in Colorado you could only have up to 
a certain total number of headlight and auxilary lights on the front of 
the car.? So, he had one fog and one driving light to not go over the 
limit.?? He did a lot of driving for his job, so I believe it was 
accurate.? Whether it is still true and enforced is another question.

Roger


On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
>
> ;-)
>
> Seriously, I figure it is for having one of each because one needs one 
> or the other from time to time and there isn't enough room for two of 
> each.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:38 pm
> Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
>
> Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one 
> amber fog light.? Is there any reasoning for this setup?
> Bill
>
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 10:56:30 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:56:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>> Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
>>
>> ;-)
>>
I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not 
from the factory?

Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? 
I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for 
a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster 
factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.

I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I 
saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that 
location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" 
centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.

The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.

TeriAnn

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 11:27:00 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 12:27:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDJu5ai4FTZjDufNBvP99ACvmex6g2hVJCA30rkoZnLMw@mail.gmail.com>

I believe Rimmer Brothers has badge/light bars for TR2/3 and TR3A/B in
stock.  Here's the kind I have on my car (not sourced through them, though.)
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552399X

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:04 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
>
> ;-)
>
> I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not
> from the factory?
>
> Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I
> got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a
> production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster
> factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.
>
> I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw
> a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The
> guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre
> from each other to lower the bar.
>
> The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.
>
> TeriAnn
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 29 11:31:39 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:31:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>
References: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
 <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>
Message-ID: <295729068.828491.1580322700009@mail.yahoo.com>

 So, in other words, the Oxford comma is important under certain circumstances.
;-)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 11:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Don?t know, he doesn?t say. ?:-)
?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:


? Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."? Question: What color are the cats? 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; lherault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs.?
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:


? OK.? "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."? Question: What color are the cats?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian,Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nutsB

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:


? 
 Some people have an eye for this type of thing.? In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
 
https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt
 
 
 On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:
  
 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 29 11:34:24 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 18:34:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <318139482.843120.1580322864983@mail.yahoo.com>

 I've seen pro rally cars with tons of lights.? They need them with some pointed straight ahead and others pointed to either side since they spend a lot of time sideways.? But these are not exactly street-legal.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 Years ago, my cousin told me that in Colorado you could only have up to a certain total number of headlight and auxilary lights on the front of the car.? So, he had one fog and one driving light to not go over the limit.?? He did a lot of driving for his job, so I believe it was accurate.? Whether it is still true and enforced is another question.
  Roger
  
  On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
  
 
  Is it what the factory happened to have on hand? 
  ;-) 
  Seriously, I figure it is for having one of each because one needs one or the other from time to time and there isn't enough room for two of each. 
   
  Dave 
 
   
   
  -----Original Message-----
 From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
 To: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:38 pm
 Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
 
 Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one amber fog light.? Is there any reasoning for this setup?? 
  Bill
  
  ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 11:48:23 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 11:48:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
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On 1/29/20 11:27 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> I believe Rimmer Brothers has badge/light bars for TR2/3 and TR3A/B in 
> stock.?? Here's the kind I have on my car (not sourced through them, 
> though.)
> https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552399X

That is the same bar that I have. Glad someone still offers it for the 
3A folks.

TeriAnn


From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 12:30:40 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:30:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <295729068.828491.1580322700009@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
 <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>
 <295729068.828491.1580322700009@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101d5d6da$977bb860$c6732920$@flash.net>

Yep, use it to say what you mean.

B

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:32 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net
Cc: bk13 at earthlink.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; lherault at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

 

So, in other words, the Oxford comma is important under certain circumstances.

 

;-)

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; lherault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 11:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Don?t know, he doesn?t say.  :-) 

 

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

? 

Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; lherault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs.  

 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

? 

OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian, 

Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> > wrote:

? 


Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt



On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.   

 

I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.

?Needs Restored like that one.?

---------------------------------

I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?   

 

So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me. 

 

Let?s hear it for fluif.

 

Ron L?Herault 

 

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 12:30:40 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:30:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <295729068.828491.1580322700009@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2127192346.805245.1580317016979@mail.yahoo.com>
 <E32C6CAF-26B0-461F-949B-A5EE12A0A4D2@flash.net>
 <295729068.828491.1580322700009@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002101d5d6da$977bb860$c6732920$@flash.net>

Yep, use it to say what you mean.

B

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:32 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net
Cc: bk13 at earthlink.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; lherault at verizon.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

 

So, in other words, the Oxford comma is important under certain circumstances.

 

;-)

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; lherault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 11:06 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Don?t know, he doesn?t say.  :-) 

 

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

? 

Then: "He has three horses, two brown dogs, and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: bk13 <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; lherault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 9:45 am
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brown of course, same as the dogs.  

 

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:19 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

? 

OK.  "He has three horses, two brown dogs and cats."  Question: What color are the cats?

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> >
To: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> >
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >; Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net> >
Sent: Tue, Jan 28, 2020 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

Brian, 

Don?t forget the Oxford comma, drive me nuts

B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy





On Jan 28, 2020, at 10:16 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net> > wrote:

? 


Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

https://www.feelingoodtees.com/let-s-eat-grandma-let-s-eat-grandma-punctuation-saves-lives-t-shirt
https://www.feelingoodteescom/i-like-cooking-my-family-and-my-pets-use-commas-don-t-be-a-psycho-t-shirt



On 1/27/2020 12:52 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote:

Warning:   This is not Triumph related.   

 

I?m an uptight New Englander who was taught English grammar by nuns who had sticks.  8-).     Face Book, was the first place I?d seen this usage.  Now it appears in a mailing list message.

?Needs Restored like that one.?

---------------------------------

I look at that and first wonder, needs restored what?   Then deep in the recesses of my mind, I hear Sister Thomasina saying  ?You will write ?needs to be restored? 100 times on the blackboard. When you are done, you will write ?needs restoration? 100 times as well.?   

 

So, since it is not a Triumph question, if people want to answer privately, super.   Do you use this sentence construction habitually?  In what part of the country do you live?  I was not an English major. I?m definitely not a great writer and don?t spell everything correctly, but I?m extremely curious to find out the extent of the usage and this is a nice friendly group who may be able to help me. 

 

Let?s hear it for fluif.

 

Ron L?Herault 

 

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 12:30:40 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:30:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDJu5ai4FTZjDufNBvP99ACvmex6g2hVJCA30rkoZnLMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
 <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFDJu5ai4FTZjDufNBvP99ACvmex6g2hVJCA30rkoZnLMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d5d6da$97e7c0a0$c7b741e0$@flash.net>

That?s the bar I have, bolts to the back of the overrider, I believe I bought it from Moss a few years back.

B

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:27 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

I believe Rimmer Brothers has badge/light bars for TR2/3 and TR3A/B in stock.  Here's the kind I have on my car (not sourced through them, though.)

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552399X  

 

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:04 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com> > wrote:

On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:



Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?

 

;-)

 

I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not from the factory?

Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.

I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.

The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.

TeriAnn

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 12:30:40 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 13:30:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDJu5ai4FTZjDufNBvP99ACvmex6g2hVJCA30rkoZnLMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
 <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFDJu5ai4FTZjDufNBvP99ACvmex6g2hVJCA30rkoZnLMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d5d6da$97e7c0a0$c7b741e0$@flash.net>

That?s the bar I have, bolts to the back of the overrider, I believe I bought it from Moss a few years back.

B

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:27 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

I believe Rimmer Brothers has badge/light bars for TR2/3 and TR3A/B in stock.  Here's the kind I have on my car (not sourced through them, though.)

https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552399X  

 

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:04 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com> > wrote:

On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:



Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?

 

;-)

 

I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not from the factory?

Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.

I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.

The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.

TeriAnn

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Jan 29 17:09:23 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:09:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <90b0bca7-c3e4-5d44-f367-bfffc0ae3630@earthlink.net>
References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
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Message-ID: <025d01d5d701$877c7f40$96757dc0$@bell.net>

Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar
issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters
on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence
and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the
proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces
no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly
identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> 
Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
To: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

 


Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to
extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the
end of a sentence. 



 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Jan 29 17:11:11 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:11:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
Message-ID: <026a01d5d701$c7b93300$572b9900$@bell.net>

Clear is likely a driving light and amber is likely a fog light - different uses, different patterns, and different ranges.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> 
Sent: January 28, 2020 11:39 PM
To: Dave Ranteer <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

Every now and then I see a picture of a car sporting one clear and one amber fog light.  Is there any reasoning for this setup?  
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy



From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jan 29 18:29:34 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:29:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
 <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007e01d5d70c$bae9edd0$30bdc970$@charter.net>

Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current. Plus, of course, charging current. 

 

Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for sharing with us all.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:



Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?

 

;-)

 

I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not from the factory?

Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.

I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.

The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.

TeriAnn

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 18:55:39 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:55:39 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <025d01d5d701$877c7f40$96757dc0$@bell.net>
References: <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$.ref@net>
 <000401d5d553$b040b450$10c21cf0$@net>
 <90b0bca7-c3e4-5d44-f367-bfffc0ae3630@earthlink.net>
 <025d01d5d701$877c7f40$96757dc0$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZtxMSvazLPf22MGxkNVpC7BQHsyzBiDtbN_qPHi-bfXA@mail.gmail.com>

I never knew about the two spaces thing not being a thing anymore, I guess
I am well on my way to dinasourhood.  btw that animal sentence needs fixed
lol

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 6:09 PM Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a
> grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of
> characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of
> a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the
> proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces
> no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly
> identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith Stewart
>
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> *Sent:* January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
> *To:* Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
>
>
>
> Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to
> extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the
> end of a sentence.
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 19:17:31 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 19:17:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <007e01d5d70c$bae9edd0$30bdc970$@charter.net>
References: <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B.ref@flash.net>
 <0AA72083-842C-4BAA-B598-FC9C13EF8A9B@flash.net>
 <1229484516.698381.1580304177125@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c5399d97-3d74-a780-8fab-6cabff276115@rmi.net>
 <237bcc5d-ce0f-73d2-2550-558e57ec9157@gmail.com>
 <007e01d5d70c$bae9edd0$30bdc970$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <66b34910-6cac-c26e-5b20-2d213608fa09@gmail.com>

On 1/29/20 6:29 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
>
> Those look fantastic! But, (there???s always a ???but???) how does the 
> generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard 
> that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, 
> heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current. 
> Plus, of course, charging current.
>
The stock bulbs are 48 watts each, Brighter but less focused LEDs are 
very low wattage. I put LEDs in mine.
>
> Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for 
> sharing with us all.
>

Thank you. When I work on something I tend to go overboard on the 
research then create a web page to share and so I have a future reference.

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 19:36:02 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:36:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZtxMSvazLPf22MGxkNVpC7BQHsyzBiDtbN_qPHi-bfXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3aZtxMSvazLPf22MGxkNVpC7BQHsyzBiDtbN_qPHi-bfXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD52FCEE-F11A-4EEE-BA53-E75F1456F190@flash.net>

I?m a two-spacer too, learned on a typewriter.  
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
I never knew about the two spaces thing not being a thing anymore, I guess I am well on my way to dinasourhood.  btw that animal sentence needs fixed lol

Greg Lemon
TR250

> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 6:09 PM Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.
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> From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> 
> Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
> To: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs at autoxteam.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
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> Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jan 29 19:36:02 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:36:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aZtxMSvazLPf22MGxkNVpC7BQHsyzBiDtbN_qPHi-bfXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3aZtxMSvazLPf22MGxkNVpC7BQHsyzBiDtbN_qPHi-bfXA@mail.gmail.com>
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I?m a two-spacer too, learned on a typewriter.  
B

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:56 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
I never knew about the two spaces thing not being a thing anymore, I guess I am well on my way to dinasourhood.  btw that animal sentence needs fixed lol

Greg Lemon
TR250

> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 6:09 PM Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.
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> From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> 
> Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
> To: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs at autoxteam.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
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> Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Jan 29 21:55:38 2020
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2020 20:55:38 -0800
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <007e01d5d70c$bae9edd0$30bdc970$@charter.net>
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I think it didn't, at least not always. Back then, it was a lot more acceptable to have to charge the battery from an external source. One of the books even suggests charging the battery after a winter run, to make sure it doesn't freeze.
-- Randall

On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:00, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
>Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the
>generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard
>that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights,
>heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current.
>Plus, of course, charging current. 
>
> 
>
>Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for
>sharing with us all.
>
> 
>
>Alex Thomson
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>TeriAnn J. Wakeman
>Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
>
> 
>
>On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
>
>
>Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
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>;-)
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> 
>
>I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not
>from the factory?
>
>Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore?
>I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for
>a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The
>Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.
>
>I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I
>saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that
>location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2"
>centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.
>
>The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.
>
>TeriAnn
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Jan 29 23:33:36 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 00:33:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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"Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the generator
keep up with the draw of those lights?"

Oh, your Triumph was better engineered than that, they took into account
the possibility of running the battery flat while running lamps and heater
and wipers at night, by providing the driver with a way to start the car
with a flat battery.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 10:55 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> I think it didn't, at least not always. Back then, it was a lot more
> acceptable to have to charge the battery from an external source. One of
> the books even suggests charging the battery after a winter run, to make
> sure it doesn't freeze.
> -- Randall
>
> On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:00, Alex & Janet Thomson <
> aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
>>
>> Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the
>> generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard that
>> the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, heater motor,
>> and the relatively small amount of ignition current. Plus, of course,
>> charging current.
>>
>>
>>
>> Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for sharing
>> with us all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex Thomson
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *TeriAnn
>> J. Wakeman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>>
>> Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?
>>
>>
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not
>> from the factory?
>>
>> Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I
>> got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a
>> production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster
>> factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.
>>
>> I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I
>> saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location.
>> The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to
>> centre from each other to lower the bar.
>>
>> The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jan 30 04:01:47 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 06:01:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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You?re right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 1:34 AM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

"Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the generator keep up with the draw of those lights?"

 

Oh, your Triumph was better engineered than that, they took into account the possibility of running the battery flat while running lamps and heater and wipers at night, by providing the driver with a way to start the car with a flat battery.

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 10:55 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

I think it didn't, at least not always. Back then, it was a lot more acceptable to have to charge the battery from an external source. One of the books even suggests charging the battery after a winter run, to make sure it doesn't freeze.
-- Randall

On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:00, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:

Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current. Plus, of course, charging current. 

 

Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for sharing with us all.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:

Is it what the factory happened to have on hand?

 

;-)

 

I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not from the factory?

Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.

I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.

The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.

TeriAnn

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jan 30 06:15:20 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:15:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
References: <1328229543.175194.1580390120188.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1328229543.175194.1580390120188@mail.yahoo.com>

 Another thing that was different back then is the batteries in those days were much more tolerant of deeper discharge cycles.? One could discharge the battery driving home at night and then recharge the battery the following day of day-time driving.? Not an issue except in the short days of winter when you drive to work in the dark and drive home in the dark.? Supplemental charging may be required under these conditions.

Sometime in the 70's or 80's specsmanship took over battery marketing and they were all touting higher and higher CCA's (Cold Cranking Amps) and the way to achieve higher CCA's was to increase the plate area and to do that without making the batter larger was to make the plates thinner.? Thinner plates will get holes etched into them on deeper discharge and the holes don't heal and the battery degrades.? 

This is not a big issue for modern cars since they are fitted with alternators capable of supporting all electrical loads even at idle but they also do not need the crazy CCA's touted in batteries these days.? But those remain a dominant marketing topic so we are stuck with the situation unless you are willing to buck up for a deep cycle battery.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 10:55 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

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-- Randall

On 29 January 2020 17:29:34 GMT-08:00, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
Those look fantastic! But, (there?s always a ?but?) how does the generator keep up with the draw of those lights? I have always heard that the stock generator can just about keep up with stock lights, heater motor, and the relatively small amount of ignition current. Plus, of course, charging current.  ?Your most recent added pages on Lucas lamps are great. Thanks for sharing with us all. ?Alex Thomson ?From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog ?On 1/29/20 7:22 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:


Is it what the factory happened to have on hand? ?;-) ?
I'm not sure, but weren't the auxiliary lights dealer installed and not from the factory?Is anyone reproducing the optional light/badge bar for the TR3 anymore? I got mine years ago and had to wait months from the time I ordered for a production run to be made. I recently checked both Moss & The Roadster factory but didn't see a listing for the bar.I really don't like how high the factory mounting places the lights. I saw a 3 a while back that has it lowered and much preferred that location. The guy made a bar with mounting holes placed about 3-3-1/2" centre to centre from each other to lower the bar.The attached picture is a TR3 with lowered light bar.TeriAnn

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jan 30 06:23:50 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 13:23:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
References: <1095362835.178157.1580390630097.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1095362835.178157.1580390630097@mail.yahoo.com>

 Interesting.? The Android keyboard will automatically place a period after the last word typed if a double space is entered.? I don't think double spaces are forbidden and make the text easier to read.? 

Here's what I find really annoying.No spaces after a period.Makes it difficult to recognize the end of a sentence.Really.
AndYouCanAlwaysTellACoderFromTheLackOfWhiteSpacesAndAllWordsAreCapitalized.
Of_Course_You_Can_Use_Underscores.? Mc mr rdbl.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
To: 'Brian Kemp' <bk13 at earthlink.net>; 'Ron L'Herault' <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 29, 2020 6:09 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

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Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
To: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired ?
Some people have an eye for this type of thing.? In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jan 30 06:49:07 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 05:49:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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> You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would 
> need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.

True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left the
lights on).  With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine will
still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
point where it's normally considered "dead".  Lead acid batteries even
recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running when
you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs
the next morning.

But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
ago, I didn't own a hand crank.  So I got adept at push-starting the car by
myself.  Probably couldn't do it today, though.

-- Randall


From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 06:59:53 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 07:59:53 -0600
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
In-Reply-To: <BC656075F2714027BFD870149A440060@RYPC>
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I've had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point so
it was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it.  We don't need no
stinkin' starter motors!

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>
> > You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would
> > need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.
>
> True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left the
> lights on).  With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine
> will
> still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
> point where it's normally considered "dead".  Lead acid batteries even
> recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running
> when
> you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs
> the next morning.
>
> But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
> ago, I didn't own a hand crank.  So I got adept at push-starting the car by
> myself.  Probably couldn't do it today, though.
>
> -- Randall
>
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From stan at redtr6.com  Thu Jan 30 07:13:41 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 14:13:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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The new Mazda?s with iStop don?t even use a starter motor. They stop the engine with the pistons and valves positioned so the engine will start with just the ignition.

Stan
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

I've had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point so it was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it.  We don't need no stinkin' starter motors!

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com<mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com>> wrote:

> You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would
> need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.

True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left the
lights on).  With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine will
still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
point where it's normally considered "dead".  Lead acid batteries even
recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running when
you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs
the next morning.

But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
ago, I didn't own a hand crank.  So I got adept at push-starting the car by
myself.  Probably couldn't do it today, though.

-- Randall

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jan 30 07:16:13 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:16:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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And, to belabor the point to a fare thee well, I have roll-started old, generator equipped trucks that had either completely dead or even no batteries. The residual magnetism in the fields of an old generator can produce sufficient charging voltage to provide ignition current. Not so with alternators!

 

But it is true that ?dead? batteries can recover sufficiently to feed the coil. And thinking of driving techniques, parking a vehicle anticipating how it should be positioned for easy starting is sort of like anticipating how you will turn around when driving an empty, 2WD pickup when there is snow on the ground!

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 9:00 AM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog

 

I've had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point so it was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it.  We don't need no stinkin' starter motors!

 

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


> You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would 
> need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.

True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left the
lights on).  With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine will
still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
point where it's normally considered "dead".  Lead acid batteries even
recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running when
you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs
the next morning.

But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
ago, I didn't own a hand crank.  So I got adept at push-starting the car by
myself.  Probably couldn't do it today, though.

-- Randall

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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 07:20:18 2020
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 09:20:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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While you're all on the subject of Lucas fog and driving lights, I have a
collection of at least a  half dozen or more of these lights that I've been
planning on putting on ebay for several years now but never seem to get
around to it.

Anyway, if anyone is interested send me an email and I'll come up with a
list of what I have.

Thanks,

Brad
63 TR4
72 TR6
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 30 09:09:32 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 16:09:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Clear/Amber Fog
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 i was just remembering the same thing Don.
    On Thursday, January 30, 2020, 06:00:15 AM PST, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I've had cars in the past, Randall, where I'd choose the shutoff point so it was pointed a bit downhill when I got back to it.? We don't need no stinkin' starter motors!
On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:57 AM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


> You're right! I forgot about the crank. But then you would 
> need magneto ignition when the battery was stone cold dead.

True, but very rarely is the battery stone cold dead (unless you left the
lights on).? With points (unlike many electronic ignitions), the engine will
still fire at cranking speeds even with the battery discharged below the
point where it's normally considered "dead".? Lead acid batteries even
recover (just a little) when sitting idle; so if the engine was running when
you got home, there is almost certain to be enough left to fire the plugs
the next morning.

But when I used to fight with the lack of generator capacity, many years
ago, I didn't own a hand crank.? So I got adept at push-starting the car by
myself.? Probably couldn't do it today, though.

-- Randall

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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Jan 30 18:23:34 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 18:23:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo typing muscle memory will always space twice after a period. Can?t help it.

Busted.

Bud

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> Two spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence was not a grammar issue. It was a typewriter issue. Because of the fixed spacing of characters on a typewriter, two spaces were used to clearly show the end of a sentence and to separate it from the start of the next sentence. With the proportional spacing in word processors and electronic devices, two spaces no longer were necessary and in fact the use of two spaces clearly identifies the author as a previously typewriter trained individual.
>  
>  
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net>
>  
>  
>  
> From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net <mailto:bk13 at earthlink.net>> 
> Sent: January 28, 2020 11:16 PM
> To: Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net <mailto:lherault at verizon.net>>; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>  
> 
> Some people have an eye for this type of thing.  In my case, I'm drawn to extra spaces between words or a single space after the punctuation at the end of a sentence. 
> 
> 
>  
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71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Jan 30 19:37:54 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:37:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in 
> that class and I was a horny 13 yo. ?But my 50 yo typing muscle memory 
> will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>
> Busted.
>
> Bud

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be 
pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a 
technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 
hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a 
woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a 
tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for 
either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I 
single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer 
produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I 
have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers 
have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn


From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Jan 30 20:07:07 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2020 19:07:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.  It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.

If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still mandatory.  

Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter and angry people I have ever met.   

The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.

Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.  

My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post 2010.   

Time and technology change everything. 

I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that would be something.


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in 
> that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo typing muscle memory 
> will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>
> Busted.
>
> Bud

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jan 31 05:27:36 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:27:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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 I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember staying up all night typing a report for class in highschool.? When I started working there was no need for an engineer to type.? Enter the desk-top computer.? Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a keyboard.? Who'd a thunk?
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.

If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still mandatory.? 

Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and angry people I have ever met.? 

The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.

Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.? 

My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post 2010.? 

Time and technology change everything. 

I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that would be something.


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in 
> that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle memory 
> will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>
> Busted.
>
> Bud

I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.

During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.

TeriAnn

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 07:33:48 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:33:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] need a relay non Triumph
In-Reply-To: <D7E5929A-0277-4796-9C82-48EC614BFFBB@mac.com>
References: <002001d5d614$290e7140$7b2b53c0$@optonline.net>
 <234536939.465676.1580244863676@mail.yahoo.com>
 <D7E5929A-0277-4796-9C82-48EC614BFFBB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPokNWTJevwvnVHsjtBT1oYfTD-VnTjkU7RVCc2M6B8Bw@mail.gmail.com>

SPDT -- Single Pole, Double Throw

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 4:26 PM Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:

>
> A five pin relay should have that feature, it would be pin 87a.
>
> https://www.delcity.net/images/linedrawings/Relay%20Diagram.pdf
>
> -Darrell
>
> On Jan 28, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> a need a reverse relay as it where.
> function:
>
> in "neutral" the switch is open allowing electric'ery to pass.
> when activated i want the main passage closed so no electricity passes.
>
> you EE guys can you find me a part number
>
> 12 volt low amps
>
> Frank
>
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From kmbeam at comcast.net  Fri Jan 31 09:42:21 2020
From: kmbeam at comcast.net (Kevin Beam)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:42:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866-L BMIHT Certificate
Message-ID: <02f501d5d855$6e50b360$4af21a20$@comcast.net>

I mistakenly ordered the certificate for 1967 (build) Spitfire Mk III
FDU8866-L.  Our 1970 Spit's commission number includes another "8".  If you
own this car and I don't have to pay international shipping postage, I'll
send you the certificate for free.

Please send me a picture of the car's commission plate off-line.

Best

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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 31 09:50:20 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 09:50:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866-L BMIHT Certificate
In-Reply-To: <02f501d5d855$6e50b360$4af21a20$@comcast.net>
References: <02f501d5d855$6e50b360$4af21a20$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <429163634.1030848.1580489420926@myemail.cox.net>

According to the BMIHT, the FDU prefix didn't come about until around 31000 serial number on the Mk3.  So if they sent you a certificate with the commission number of FDU8866L that means they are simply sending out what is being ordered instead of researching their archives and responding.  


At any rate, I would think that is grounds to get your money back for that certificate as you are unlikely to find the owner of a car that doesn't exist.


Joe

> On January 31, 2020 at 9:42 AM Kevin Beam <kmbeam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I mistakenly ordered the certificate for 1967 (build) Spitfire Mk III FDU8866-L.  Our 1970 Spit?s commission number includes another ?8?.  If you own this car and I don?t have to pay international shipping postage, I?ll send you the certificate for free.
> 
>     Please send me a picture of the car?s commission plate off-line.
> 
>     Best
> 
>     --
> 
>     Kevin
> 


 

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Jan 31 10:08:30 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 12:08:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866-L BMIHT Certificate
In-Reply-To: <429163634.1030848.1580489420926@myemail.cox.net>
References: <02f501d5d855$6e50b360$4af21a20$@comcast.net>
 <429163634.1030848.1580489420926@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <9b5d12ae-6b59-2156-e2cd-0ed1c4527944@verizon.net>

I've been wondering about that very point for a couple years now...
had a buddy receive a cert for a MKIV where he added an 'O' for the 
overdrive he'd installed
and they sent it without question.

ptegler

On 1/31/2020 11:50 AM, JOE CURRY wrote:
>
> According to the BMIHT, the FDU prefix didn't come about until around 
> 31000 serial number on the Mk3.? So if they sent you a certificate 
> with the commission number of FDU8866L that means they are simply 
> sending out what is being ordered instead of researching their 
> archives and responding.
>
>
> At any rate, I would think that is grounds to get your money back for 
> that certificate as you are unlikely to find the owner of a car that 
> doesn't exist.
>
>
> Joe
>
>> On January 31, 2020 at 9:42 AM Kevin Beam <kmbeam at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I mistakenly ordered the certificate for 1967 (build) Spitfire Mk III 
>> FDU8866-L.? Our 1970 Spit?s commission number includes another ?8?.? 
>> If you own this car and I don?t have to pay international shipping 
>> postage, I?ll send you the certificate for free.
>>
>> Please send me a picture of the car?s commission plate off-line.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kevin
>>
>
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>>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Jan 31 11:21:15 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave at ranteer.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 11:21:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
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From jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com  Fri Jan 31 11:39:52 2020
From: jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:39:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
References: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
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Dave,

They work, but they take forever and it?s a good idea to ?pre clean?

On the last 2 cars I restored, I took every single last bit of ?plated? hardware from the car to a local plating shop in a couple of 5 gallon buckets, grease, rust and all.  Springs, screws, washers, plates, nuts bolts, all of it.

Just have to take photos and notes to get things back in the right place.

For $120, an entire car worth of clean, shiny, rust free cadmium and/or light zinc plated hardware was returned in about a week.

Just have to specify the finish you want.

I?ll never clean big piles of hardware again.

For small jobs (say a transmission or a front end re-do) I just put hardware in a bucket of paint thinner for a few days and give them a periodic spin with a mixer/paddle blade on a cordless drill.

Couple rounds of that and a finish wash in some muriatic acid  to eat up the rust and remaining grease (same method) (don?t leave the bits in too long).

Rinse in clean water, dry, and hit with a light coat of clear spray paint.







Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting Services, LLC
702.882.6711

We have Moved!
Our new offices are locted at:

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave at ranteer.com
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:21 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Fri Jan 31 12:37:42 2020
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:37:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
References: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <64AE445D-8207-4F7A-B2E0-201C46C5F615@aol.com>

Yes, but I precede tumbling with 30 minutes in an ultrasonic cleaner 
Works great, fast results, but I can?t imagine dumping hardware in a tumbler without some sort of pre-cleaning process 

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them
> 
> 
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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Fri Jan 31 12:37:42 2020
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 14:37:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
References: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <64AE445D-8207-4F7A-B2E0-201C46C5F615@aol.com>

Yes, but I precede tumbling with 30 minutes in an ultrasonic cleaner 
Works great, fast results, but I can?t imagine dumping hardware in a tumbler without some sort of pre-cleaning process 

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2020, at 1:21 PM, dave at ranteer.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them
> 
> 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jan 31 15:03:37 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:03:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
References: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <069a01d5d882$4a6a82a0$df3f87e0$@bell.net>

Yes. Not as nice as I would have expected, but sure saved a great deal of time over wire brushing bolts and especially washers and nuts.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: dave at ranteer.com <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: January 31, 2020 1:21 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

 

has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them

 

 

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From kmbeam at comcast.net  Fri Jan 31 15:35:22 2020
From: kmbeam at comcast.net (Kevin Beam)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:35:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866L) BMIHT Certificate
Message-ID: <039701d5d886$bf835450$3e89fcf0$@comcast.net>

The certificate reads in part:

1. Make & Model TRIUMPH SPITFIRE MARK III

2. Car/Chassis Number FDU/8866-L (After a little research, I believe it
should be FD/8866-L, but I am NOT an expert.)

3. Engine Number FE/8926-E

4. Body Number 8739

6. Colour a) exterior Conifer

                 b) trim Black

                 c) hood (top) Black

7. Date of Build 1 August 1967

9. Destination (Dealer) Mid West Triumph Distributors, Chicago

14. (Certificate) Date of Issue 30th April 2004 (Which is suddenly a
loonnngggg time ago.)

 

I reordered the certificate, received the correct certificate, and forgot if
I paid for the second or not.  (Oxford, am I a comma momma?)

 

Our car's commission number is FDU8xxxxL

Damson, Black, Black

Built in 1970

 

Best

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Kevin

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 31 15:59:33 2020
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 22:59:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <20200131112115.eacca00412c4e976446146f9b5e47255.882a4e32be.wbe@email26.godaddy.com>
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Message-ID: <BYAPR08MB49346C8B8D8D2617E2101E83BE070@BYAPR08MB4934.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

I use the HF 5 lb tumbler with their green rust cutting resin. I use a timer with it and run it for about 2 hours (in the garage with the door closed - it's noisy!). I actually just bought (on eBay) a second tumbler bowl so I can put a polishing media in it to get shinier hardware. And before I use the tumbler, I the HF 2.4L Ultrasonic cleaner with a 50/50 blend of Simple Green and water. I let the mixture heat up and run it for 2-3 cycles of 8 minutes each. That effortlessly gets rid of all the grease and grime.

I like to use the original bolts and nuts where possible. They are usually very good quality. I never reuse lock washers or nyloc nuts.

https://www.harborfreight.com/25-liter-ultrasonic-cleaner-63256.html

https://www.harborfreight.com/5-lb-metal-vibrator-tumbler-67617.html

https://www.harborfreight.com/520-lb-rust-cutting-resin-abrasive-tumbler-media-63672.html

Joel...


________________________________
From: dave at ranteer.com <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:21 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

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From spitlist at cox.net  Fri Jan 31 16:04:22 2020
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 16:04:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866L) BMIHT Certificate
In-Reply-To: <039701d5d886$bf835450$3e89fcf0$@comcast.net>
References: <039701d5d886$bf835450$3e89fcf0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1933099917.1039982.1580511862236@myemail.cox.net>

Well, the FDU prefix is compatible with the FE engine but an FD prefix would have had an FD engine.  This pretty much confirms that the BMIHT apparently isn't doing the same research through the archives as they were previously doing.


Joe

> On January 31, 2020 at 3:35 PM Kevin Beam <kmbeam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 

> 
>     The certificate reads in part:
> 
>     1. Make & Model TRIUMPH SPITFIRE MARK III
> 
>     2. Car/Chassis Number FDU/8866-L (After a little research, I believe it should be FD/8866-L, but I am NOT an expert.)
> 
>     3. Engine Number FE/8926-E
> 
>     4. Body Number 8739
> 
>     6. Colour a) exterior Conifer
> 
>                      b) trim Black
> 
>                      c) hood (top) Black
> 
>     7. Date of Build 1 August 1967
> 
>     9. Destination (Dealer) Mid West Triumph Distributors, Chicago
> 
>     14. (Certificate) Date of Issue 30th April 2004 (Which is suddenly a loonnngggg time ago.)
> 
>      
> 
>     I reordered the certificate, received the correct certificate, and forgot if I paid for the second or not.  (Oxford, am I a comma momma?)
> 
>      
> 
>     Our car?s commission number is FDU8xxxxL
> 
>     Damson, Black, Black
> 
>     Built in 1970
> 
>      
> 
>     Best
> 
>     --
> 
>     Kevin
> 


 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan 31 16:26:19 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:26:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <069a01d5d882$4a6a82a0$df3f87e0$@bell.net>
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Instead of a wire brush I have a brass wire wheel on my grinder that does a dandy job of cleaning hardware.  

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Stewart
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 4:04 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TUMBLER

 

Yes. Not as nice as I would have expected, but sure saved a great deal of time over wire brushing bolts and especially washers and nuts.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 

 

 

From: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>  <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > 
Sent: January 31, 2020 1:21 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

 

has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them

 

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan 31 16:26:19 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:26:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR18MB237359A03E3E07BC9EA0E2DA8E070@BYAPR18MB2373.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
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When do you zinc plate and when do you use cadmium?

 

Interesting topic as I have been re-plating wheel nuts today using the Eastman zinc plating kit.  Works pretty well in that it does a good job of plating but don?t seem to be able to get the shine that new hardware has.

 

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 12:40 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TUMBLER

 

Dave,

 

They work, but they take forever and it?s a good idea to ?pre clean? 

 

On the last 2 cars I restored, I took every single last bit of ?plated? hardware from the car to a local plating shop in a couple of 5 gallon buckets, grease, rust and all.  Springs, screws, washers, plates, nuts bolts, all of it.  

 

Just have to take photos and notes to get things back in the right place.

 

For $120, an entire car worth of clean, shiny, rust free cadmium and/or light zinc plated hardware was returned in about a week.

 

Just have to specify the finish you want.

 

I?ll never clean big piles of hardware again.

 

For small jobs (say a transmission or a front end re-do) I just put hardware in a bucket of paint thinner for a few days and give them a periodic spin with a mixer/paddle blade on a cordless drill.  

 

Couple rounds of that and a finish wash in some muriatic acid  to eat up the rust and remaining grease (same method) (don?t leave the bits in too long).  

 

Rinse in clean water, dry, and hit with a light coat of clear spray paint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting Services, LLC

702.882.6711

 

We have Moved!

Our new offices are locted at:

 

3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13

Las Vegas, NV 89120

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:21 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

 

has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them

 

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jan 31 16:26:19 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 17:26:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
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When do you zinc plate and when do you use cadmium?

 

Interesting topic as I have been re-plating wheel nuts today using the Eastman zinc plating kit.  Works pretty well in that it does a good job of plating but don?t seem to be able to get the shine that new hardware has.

 

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 12:40 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TUMBLER

 

Dave,

 

They work, but they take forever and it?s a good idea to ?pre clean? 

 

On the last 2 cars I restored, I took every single last bit of ?plated? hardware from the car to a local plating shop in a couple of 5 gallon buckets, grease, rust and all.  Springs, screws, washers, plates, nuts bolts, all of it.  

 

Just have to take photos and notes to get things back in the right place.

 

For $120, an entire car worth of clean, shiny, rust free cadmium and/or light zinc plated hardware was returned in about a week.

 

Just have to specify the finish you want.

 

I?ll never clean big piles of hardware again.

 

For small jobs (say a transmission or a front end re-do) I just put hardware in a bucket of paint thinner for a few days and give them a periodic spin with a mixer/paddle blade on a cordless drill.  

 

Couple rounds of that and a finish wash in some muriatic acid  to eat up the rust and remaining grease (same method) (don?t leave the bits in too long).  

 

Rinse in clean water, dry, and hit with a light coat of clear spray paint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting Services, LLC

702.882.6711

 

We have Moved!

Our new offices are locted at:

 

3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13

Las Vegas, NV 89120

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:21 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

 

has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them

 

 

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Fri Jan 31 17:56:10 2020
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:56:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
In-Reply-To: <1340037634.625506.1580473656094@mail.yahoo.com>
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I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves 
teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 
years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.

Patrick


On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember staying up 
> all night typing a report for class in highschool.? When I started 
> working there was no need for an engineer to type.? Enter the desk-top 
> computer. Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a 
> keyboard.? Who'd a thunk?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs 
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be 
> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr. year and 
> it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>
> If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still 
> mandatory.
>
> Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and angry 
> people I have ever met.
>
> The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 
> year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if you had to manage 
> the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed 
> nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>
> Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>
> My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade 
> post 2010.
>
> Time and technology change everything.
>
> I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", 
> that would be something.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn 
> J. Wakeman
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in
> > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle memory
> > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
> >
> > Busted.
> >
> > Bud
>
> I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be 
> pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for 
> a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
> asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 
> hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew 
> a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked 
> as a tech group secretary.
>
> During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing 
> for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I 
> single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my 
> mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The 
> books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my 
> reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in 
> technical papers.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Fri Jan 31 17:58:41 2020
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:58:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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OH Ya, missed 2,? left pinky for shift and right thumb for space bar. 
haha , so 5.

Patrick

On 1/31/2020 6:56 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
>
> I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves 
> teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 
> years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember staying up 
>> all night typing a report for class in highschool.? When I started 
>> working there was no need for an engineer to type.? Enter the 
>> desk-top computer.? Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen 
>> typing on a keyboard.? Who'd a thunk?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
>> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs 
>> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>> In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be 
>> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr. year and 
>> it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>>
>> If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still 
>> mandatory.
>>
>> Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and angry 
>> people I have ever met.
>>
>> The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 
>> 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if you had to 
>> manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom 
>> were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>>
>> Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>>
>> My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade 
>> post 2010.
>>
>> Time and technology change everything.
>>
>> I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", 
>> that would be something.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn 
>> J. Wakeman
>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>> On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
>> > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in
>> > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle memory
>> > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>> >
>> > Busted.
>> >
>> > Bud
>>
>> I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be 
>> pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for 
>> a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
>> asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 
>> hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew 
>> a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked 
>> as a tech group secretary.
>>
>> During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing 
>> for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. 
>> I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my 
>> mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. 
>> The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and 
>> my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in 
>> technical papers.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>>
>> **triumphs at autox.team.net  **
>>
>> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs   http://www.team.net/archive
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Fri Jan 31 19:30:22 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2020 18:30:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER
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Bill,

 

I don?t believe that there was any cad plating on my TR3, I think everything ended up shiny zinc.  

 

The AH had cad plating on the weird thread body fasteners, some plates, jamb nuts and odd fittings for the hydraulic lines, sheet metal screws, and other odd fittings.  Some of the small ?? fine thread bolts were cad plated too, about 10% maybe?  By and large, most of the hardware was shiny zinc plating on that one.  I may have gotten it wrong, but all of the 10/32 posidrive stuff including nuts and washers I had done in shiny zinc.  The clamps that hold the gauges to the dash are also cad plated.

 

I did a fair amount on my TR6 too but not all of it.  A lot more of that one was cad plated.

 

I had a bunch of oddball stuff that I had accumulated over the years including brake fittings and whitworth stuff ? I had about 20# of that stuff shiny zinc plated a few years ago.  I have it all organized by size, length and thread and use it as spares, a mini hardware store.

 

I have had a lot of ?junk? come through here over the past 20 years or so, I typically remove anything that is worth saving.  When somebody?s car comes in for a repair and it has a stripped or wrong bolt in it, I try to match it up with a correct spare, I get a kick out of the various markings on the bolt heads and seeing everything match on a given assembly.  ?Unbrako? on the TR brake and suspension bits.  ?R? for the Austin Healey motor mounts, etc.  

 

 

 

 

From: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 3:26 PM
To: Jonas Payne <jpayne at jpaynepbr.onmicrosoft.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TUMBLER

 

When do you zinc plate and when do you use cadmium?

 

Interesting topic as I have been re-plating wheel nuts today using the Eastman zinc plating kit.  Works pretty well in that it does a good job of plating but don?t seem to be able to get the shine that new hardware has.

 

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 12:40 PM
To: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] TUMBLER

 

Dave,

 

They work, but they take forever and it?s a good idea to ?pre clean? 

 

On the last 2 cars I restored, I took every single last bit of ?plated? hardware from the car to a local plating shop in a couple of 5 gallon buckets, grease, rust and all.  Springs, screws, washers, plates, nuts bolts, all of it.  

 

Just have to take photos and notes to get things back in the right place.

 

For $120, an entire car worth of clean, shiny, rust free cadmium and/or light zinc plated hardware was returned in about a week.

 

Just have to specify the finish you want.

 

I?ll never clean big piles of hardware again.

 

For small jobs (say a transmission or a front end re-do) I just put hardware in a bucket of paint thinner for a few days and give them a periodic spin with a mixer/paddle blade on a cordless drill.  

 

Couple rounds of that and a finish wash in some muriatic acid  to eat up the rust and remaining grease (same method) (don?t leave the bits in too long).  

 

Rinse in clean water, dry, and hit with a light coat of clear spray paint.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting Services, LLC

702.882.6711

 

We have Moved!

Our new offices are locted at:

 

3191 E. Warm Springs Rd. #13

Las Vegas, NV 89120

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:21 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TUMBLER

 

has anyone used a tumbler to clean nuts and bolts?  i see eastwood and harbor freight both have them

 

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jan 31 20:03:18 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 03:03:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
References: <2142445689.104450.1580526198329.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 I pretty much use the orthodox method but I'm no touch typist.? Turn the lights out and it gets ugly.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2020 6:58 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired

 OH Ya, missed 2,? left pinky for shift and right thumb for space bar. haha , so 5.
  Patrick
  On 1/31/2020 6:56 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
  
 
I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.? 
  Patrick 
  On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
  
 
  I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember staying up all night typing a report for class in highschool.? When I started working there was no need for an engineer to type.? Enter the desk-top computer.? Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a keyboard.? Who'd a thunk?
   
  Dave 
 
   
   
  -----Original Message-----
 From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
 To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
 Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
 
 In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr. year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
 
 If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still mandatory.? 
 
 Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and angry people I have ever met.? 
 
 The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
 
 Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.? 
 
 My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post 2010.? 
 
 Time and technology change everything. 
 
 I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that would be something.
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
 Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
 To: triumphs at autox.team.net
 Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
 
 On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
 > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in 
 > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle memory 
 > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
 >
 > Busted.
 >
 > Bud
 
 I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.
 
 During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.
 
 TeriAnn
 
    
 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Jan 31 23:24:49 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 00:24:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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Patrick,

I have you beat, have been writing as part of my job and hobbies for over
30 years.  I use four fingers.  If I don't think about it I realize
sometimes I am doing it from muscle memory and not looking, if I start to
think about it the magic goes away and I have to look.  Still make way too
many mistakes.  Preparing papers for college with a typewriter was pretty
painful, I tell the kids these stories, but they just roll their eyes.

I also go one finger at a time on my phone, can't do the two fingered thing
like the kids.  Interestingly, I just noticed, I type with my right hand on
my phone, even though I am very left dominent with most everything else I
do.

Greg Lemon
TR250
Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 6:56 PM Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves teaches
> typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 years, I use
> 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
>
> Patrick
>
>
> On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.  I remember staying up all
> night typing a report for class in highschool.  When I started working
> there was no need for an engineer to type.  Enter the desk-top computer.
> Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a keyboard.
> Who'd a thunk?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com>;
> triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be
> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.  It was Sr. year and it
> was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>
> If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still
> mandatory.
>
> Same teacher taught both classes.  One of the most bitter and angry people
> I have ever met.
>
> The though of  "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60
> year old woman still makes me wonder.  I guess if you had to manage the
> subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed nowhere,
> after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>
> Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>
> My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade post
> 2010.
>
> Time and technology change everything.
>
> I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", that
> would be something.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J.
> Wakeman
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in
> > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.  But my 50 yo typing muscle memory
> > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
> >
> > Busted.
> >
> > Bud
>
> I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be
> pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for a
> technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was asked
> what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 hours or so,
> I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew a woman with a
> Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group
> secretary.
>
> During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing for
> either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I single
> space between sentences only on emails. That is because my mailer produces
> strange characters when I double space a sentence. The books I have
> authored are all double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have
> forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
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