From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 16:59:29 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:59:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sensor threads
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHMJXynZOkSRmmxgPKfR5WWLHGxxaVaB7h9oqMaDzn17Q@mail.gmail.com>

I get confused with standards and threads used on Triumphs.Does the oil
pressure sender use NPT (*American National Standard Pipe Thread) *or some
British equivalent?
I'm planning to install a Smith's oil pressure gauge, but want to keep
the sensor. I need a Tee but notice some have what appears to be parallel
(maybe NPS)  threads. Can NPT and NPS be mixed?
Sujit


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 17:08:20 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 23:08:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sensor threads
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHMJXynZOkSRmmxgPKfR5WWLHGxxaVaB7h9oqMaDzn17Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaHMJXynZOkSRmmxgPKfR5WWLHGxxaVaB7h9oqMaDzn17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1779162498.102337.1596496100706@mail.yahoo.com>

 thats a Randall question.
ugh...i miss him
Frank
    On Monday, August 3, 2020, 04:00:08 PM PDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I get confused with standards and threads used on Triumphs.Does the oil pressure sender use NPT (American National Standard Pipe Thread) or some British equivalent??I'm planning to install a Smith's oil pressure gauge, but want to keep the?sensor. I need a Tee but notice some have what appears to be parallel (maybe NPS)? threads. Can NPT and NPS be mixed?Sujit

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From italyfound at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 18:11:25 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 20:11:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Air conditioning
Message-ID: <5f28a7ac.1c69fb81.b19f2.fdec@mx.google.com>

Does anyone on the list have a TR6 with air conditioning?

Alex
72 TR6 w/air

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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Mon Aug  3 19:12:05 2020
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 21:12:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Air conditioning
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References: <5f28a7ac.1c69fb81.b19f2.fdec@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7EDAE847-BD5C-4C40-A103-4D42AEC66AF3@aol.com>

Yes, I do

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Does anyone on the list have a TR6 with air conditioning?
>  
> Alex
> 72 TR6 w/air
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu  Tue Aug  4 04:14:57 2020
From: Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu (Reihing, Randall S.)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 10:14:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re:  Oil pressure sensor threads
In-Reply-To: <1779162498.102337.1596496100706@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaHMJXynZOkSRmmxgPKfR5WWLHGxxaVaB7h9oqMaDzn17Q@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <BL0PR01MB4739C300E701C07A235AF6D3EC4A0@BL0PR01MB4739.prod.exchangelabs.com>

We all miss Randall. He was a very good man and knew Triumphs like no other currently living person. A terrible loss.

Randall Reihing
1959 TR3A
1960 TR3A
1962 TR3B
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 7:08 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Oil pressure sensor threads

thats a Randall question.

ugh...i miss him

Frank

On Monday, August 3, 2020, 04:00:08 PM PDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:


I get confused with standards and threads used on Triumphs.Does the oil pressure sender use NPT (American National Standard Pipe Thread) or some British equivalent?
I'm planning to install a Smith's oil pressure gauge, but want to keep the sensor. I need a Tee but notice some have what appears to be parallel (maybe NPS)  threads. Can NPT and NPS be mixed?
Sujit


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Cupertino, California

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug  4 09:36:26 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 10:36:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] stretching vinyl over wheel well
Message-ID: <003901d66a75$04da46a0$0e8ed3e0$@ranteer.com>

Would like to install some vinyl over a wheel well.  slow and careful with a
heat gun?

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Tue Aug  4 09:40:39 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:40:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] stretching vinyl over wheel well
In-Reply-To: <003901d66a75$04da46a0$0e8ed3e0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003901d66a75$04da46a0$0e8ed3e0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <83db85b1-b13c-2e87-1f44-6625c51aafbf@adelphia.net>

Dave,

I used a hair dryer with good results.

Bob

On 8/4/20 11:36 AM, dave wrote:
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> Would like to install some vinyl over a wheel well.? slow and careful 
> with a heat gun?
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Aug  4 09:51:02 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:51:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] stretching vinyl over wheel well
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stretch it over your knee to get a general shape.... then a hair dryer 
to further set it as well as shrink the parameter wrinkles
fit in place and adjust.??? Peel back and spray adhesive in just the 
center. Set and dry.

Then work your way around and out to the cover the rest, glue a little 
at a time and stretch and test fit before gluing

ptegler

On 8/4/2020 11:40 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> I used a hair dryer with good results.
>
> Bob
>
> On 8/4/20 11:36 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>> Would like to install some vinyl over a wheel well.??? slow and careful 
>> with a heat gun?
>>
>>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  4 10:16:31 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2020 11:16:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] stretching vinyl over wheel well
In-Reply-To: <83db85b1-b13c-2e87-1f44-6625c51aafbf@adelphia.net>
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Wait for a hot sunny day, spread the vinyl out for 30 minutes, shape it to form.  Hair dryer is safer than a heat gun, both can damage the vinyl if your not careful. 
Bill


#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 4, 2020, at 10:40 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

?
Dave,

I used a hair dryer with good results.

Bob

> On 8/4/20 11:36 AM, dave wrote:
> Would like to install some vinyl over a wheel well.  slow and careful with a heat gun?
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:33:43 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:33:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] Are water heat hoses and oil pressure lines made the same way
Message-ID: <CANLCLaENyE31mP4eHZfxPp49KUGDwy_VZ-v2CtpwG8VJqRq8yw@mail.gmail.com>

With shelter in place, I'm not venturing out.
I have some 1/2" diameter oil pressure pipe (up to 400psi) Can I substitute
it for a 1/2" water heater pipe? Both pipes look reinforced.

Sujit

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From llst at shaw.ca  Thu Aug  6 22:54:48 2020
From: llst at shaw.ca (Larry T)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 21:54:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Oil pressure sensor threads
Message-ID: <1e23e9df-9cab-d188-e075-a3d0c62e2480@shaw.ca>

Not sure what threads were used however 40 years ago, I did use a NPT 
(1/8 inch ??) brass fitting? for an oil line on a TR6 engine as I was 
not aware there were any other threads than? NPT.? Do not recall any oil 
leaks at the fitting. The brass is probably soft enough to work with 
some teflon tape as the oil pressure is not that high. A straight thread 
requires a gasket to seal.

Larry T

from this website 
www.hydraulicsdirect.com/ID-british-thread-s/2376.htm?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI8JT-4qKI6wIVih-tBh2VSA6QEAAYAiAAEgI6ifD_BwE


  How to ID British Threads

British Pipe Standard fittings are amongst the most popular of all 
foreign threads in the world today. These threads come in two versions: 
parallel (BSPP), and tapered (BSPT). The thread flank angle for both 
tapered and parallel British threads is 55?. NOTE: It is a fairly common 
mistake to identify a BSPT (tapered) as an NPT. Always remember that NPT 
threads have a 60? thread flank angle, and BSPT has a 55? angle (this 
can be verified with a thread gauge). Although BSP is a foreign thread, 
it isn?t actually metric. This is why it comes in Imperial sizes: 1/8, 
1/4, 1/2, 3/4, and so on.


I get confused with standards and threads used on Triumphs.

Does the oil pressure sender use NPT (*American National Standard Pipe 
Thread) *or some British equivalent? I'm planning to install a Smith's 
oil pressure gauge, but want to keep the sensor. I need a Tee but notice 
some have what appears to be parallel (maybe NPS) threads. Can NPT and 
NPS be mixed? Sujit

-- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California
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From davidt at opentext.com  Fri Aug  7 08:20:14 2020
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:20:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] -  Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <YTBPR01MB267287B6F95C8D47108662ADB6490@YTBPR01MB2672.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I am just catching up on this.  OMG what a shock.  I never met him directly but many emails and a number of phone calls always made me feel, along with so many others in this community I suspect, there was always a voice in the dark to show the light.  When you get into a position of frustration, a voice to help. For me, this hits in a similar way to when Fred Thomas passed.  I guess that reflects the impact people like this, giving of themselves, have on people like me, trying to learn.  Wow, just wow.

RIP Randall

David Templeton
'59 Tr3a - built with the assistance of Randall & Fred
'74 Spit6
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From italyfound at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 18:44:47 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 20:44:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil filter
Message-ID: <5f2f46ff.1c69fb81.43ec2.c9a1@mx.google.com>


Hello all?..
Can someone provide the oil filter code used for the TR6 spin on oil filter conversion.

Thanks,
Alex Manzo
72 TR6
59 TR3A


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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug  8 19:35:17 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 20:35:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil filter
In-Reply-To: <5f2f46ff.1c69fb81.43ec2.c9a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.41.1596936923.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Wix?51516OrNapa 1516It's the same filter.? ?Wix makes the napa filters?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Aug  9 05:59:15 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 11:59:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil filter
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 Opinions abound but I use Motorcraft FL400 typically found of Fords and readily available at a reasonable price.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sun Aug  9 13:15:40 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 19:15:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] Oil filter
In-Reply-To: <5f2f46ff.1c69fb81.43ec2.c9a1@mx.google.com>
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I saved this list off t?interweb probably a decade or more ago. Cant vouch for it all but I do use the Napa 1516 in both the TR6 and TR3 which have the spin on adapter

Oil filters to fit the screw adapter
AC PF-56
AC PF952 (short)
AC Delco Ultraguard Gold UPFL-400A
Bosch 72-143
Bosch 72129 (short)
Bosch 72161
CarQuest 85516
Champion C104 (short)
Crosland 529 (short)
Fram PH3512 (short)
Fram PH-3600
(Fram PH-3614)
Full PH-400
Halfords HOF200 (short)
K&N HP-2009
Kralinator L38
Lee LF-42
Mann W719/36
Mobil-1 M1-209
Moss 235-950
Motaquip VFL123 (short)
Motorcraft FL-276
Motorcraft FL-313 (short)
Motorcraft FL400A
NAPA Gold 1516
NAPA Gold 1361
Purolator L10101 (short) (was PER 101)
Purolator L20064
Purolator L20195
Sears 45197
STP SO-400
Unipart GFE173 (short)
Unipart GFE443
Wix 51335 (short)
Wix 51516


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Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 8:45 PM
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Oil filter


Hello all?..
Can someone provide the oil filter code used for the TR6 spin on oil filter conversion.

Thanks,
Alex Manzo
72 TR6
59 TR3A


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From smithw1 at optonline.net  Sun Aug  9 19:22:59 2020
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2020 21:22:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil Filter
Message-ID: <93.61.19531.771A03F5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


I've been using a Purolater L20195 successfully in my 72 TR6 for many years now.? I think it is the functional equivalent to the FL400 that Dave Massey recommended. The L20195 is a long filter (not sure about the FL400) so, depending upon the angle at which you mounted the adapter you could possibly have a fit issue (I don't recall since I installed mine about 25 years ago). Mine is mounted so that the filter hangs straight down. This position also enables me to completely fill the filter with oil prior to spinning it on.Bill Smith?'72 TR6?'80 TR7?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 17:34:01 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:34:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Kangol Seat Belts
Message-ID: <186701d66f6e$bb481f40$31d85dc0$@gmail.com>

Anyone have a clean set of the original seat belts and stalks they are
interested in selling? Please contact me offline.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL


From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 10 19:13:35 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 01:13:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 Kangol Seat Belts
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 Failing that, Moss sells original style new.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Mon, Aug 10, 2020 6:34 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 Kangol Seat Belts

Anyone have a clean set of the original seat belts and stalks they are
interested in selling? Please contact me offline.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 10 21:06:48 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 20:06:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Oil filter
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I use the Fram PH-3600.? If there is a lookup, check for a 1998 Ford 
Mustang V6 automatic.

Brian

On 8/8/2020 5:44 PM, Italyfound wrote:
>
> Hello all?..
>
> Can someone provide the oil filter code used for the TR6 spin on oil 
> filter conversion.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Manzo
>
> 72 TR6
>
> 59 TR3A
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From staffel at comcast.net  Mon Aug 10 21:43:35 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 23:43:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
Message-ID: <mailman.48.1597117429.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>


Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.They would never 'self prime'.?Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?65 TR4 CT 50054L( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphoneSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 21:57:35 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 22:57:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
In-Reply-To: <20200811034349.E5AFCA13BD@autox.team.net>
References: <20200811034349.E5AFCA13BD@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZ9PaZ=jY0otBFQn6OBkM+DeJGG8r=NJ4L8y=n70ZhWyA@mail.gmail.com>

Just a couple random thoughts here.  One, I could not figure out from your
message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.  My
understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to
pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back,
that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.  You seem somewhat
concerned about originality.

Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard
to fit.  There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten
years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been
fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).

Good Luck

Greg Lemon
TR250



On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of
> Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark &
> started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel
> flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg
> and a Motel.
>
> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the
> Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car
> home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and
> got his trailer & towed me home.
>
> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls.
> So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>
> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so
> while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.
>
> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right
> up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed
> of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope,
> teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.
>
> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the
> female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch
> - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.
>
> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and
> install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>
> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to
> the mechanical pump.
>
> They would never 'self prime'.
>
> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED
> the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is
> less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the
> original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.
>
> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new
> fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows
> the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the
> new location of the electric pump.
>
> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality)
> to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The
> original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and
> forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the
> engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>
> Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
>
> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing
> glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy
> status.
>
> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At
> least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3),
> Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of
> the engine.
>
> Sherman D Taffel
> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA
> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
> ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
>
>
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 05:01:35 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:01:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug 11 05:29:41 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:29:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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 I've heard of people adding a second compression sleeve (acorn) cut in half to achieve the desired length.? I haven't tried it myself since I got mine to seal up with the standard sleeve but if I had an issue that would have been my next step.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>; staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 6:01 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

  And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.?   
   Ed Woods  
  On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:   
   
   Just a couple random thoughts here.? One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.? My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.? You seem somewhat concerned about originality.??  
   Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.? There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).   
   Good Luck   
   Greg Lemon   TR250 
  
   
    
   On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net> wrote: 
  
   
    Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.   
   Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.   
   Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.   
   Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?   
   A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?   
   Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?   
   So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).   
   Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.   
   They would never 'self prime'.?   
   Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?   
   So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.   
   Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.   
   Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.   
   I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.   
   Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?   
   Sherman D Taffel?   Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?   65 TR4 CT 50054L   ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)   
   
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 07:35:51 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:35:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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I stopped that leak by using two of the "acorns" instead of one, creating the longer one needed to push up against the sealing surface.

Bud

Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Aug 11, 2020, at 5:01 AM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem. 
> 
> Ed Woods
>> On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Just a couple random thoughts here.  One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.  My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.  You seem somewhat concerned about originality.  
>> 
>> Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.  There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).
>> 
>> Good Luck
>> 
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.
>> 
>> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.
>> 
>> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>> 
>> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. 
>> 
>> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. 
>> 
>> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. 
>> 
>> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>> 
>> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to the mechanical pump.
>> 
>> They would never 'self prime'. 
>> 
>> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel. 
>> 
>> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.
>> 
>> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>> 
>> Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
>> 
>> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.
>> 
>> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine. 
>> 
>> Sherman D Taffel 
>> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA 
>> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
>> ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 10:30:02 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:30:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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Hello Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below where the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The elec pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel (Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump? along side the highway in a rainstorm. Those days are over for me.Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass acorn.? And to replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the original steel pipe, meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing the acorn was impossible as the brass Male nut could not be removed.Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where easily checked, wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or replacing the pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver from 1969 thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to? upstate NY, in the Mid Atlantic & in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the UK or US were much more dependable then.I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition distributor after poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for months: cam too small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit on breaker plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent spark.?Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper manufacturing these days.Looking forward? to having my TR fully roadworthy again!Sherman?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> Date: 8/11/20  7:01 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod 
  
   And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.?
  
  
   
  
  
   Ed Woods
  
  
   
    On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
   
   
    
   
   
    
   
   
    Just a couple random thoughts here.? One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.? My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.? You seem somewhat concerned about originality.??
    
     
    
    
     Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.? There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).
    
    
     
    
    
     Good Luck
    
    
     
    
    
     Greg Lemon
    
    
     TR250
     
     
      
     
     
      
     
    
   
   
   
    
     On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel <
     staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
     
    
    
     
      
       
      
      
       
        Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.
       
       
        
       
       
        Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.
       
       
        
       
       
        Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
       
       
        
       
       
        Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?
       
       
        
       
       
        A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?
       
       
        
       
       
        Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?
       
       
        
       
       
        So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
       
       
        
       
       
        Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.
       
       
        
       
       
        They would never 'self prime'.?
       
       
        
       
       
        Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?
       
       
        
       
       
        So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.
       
       
        
       
       
        Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
       
       
        
       
       
        Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
       
       
        
       
       
        I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.
       
       
        
       
       
        Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?
       
       
        
       
       
        Sherman D Taffel?
       
       
        Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?
       
       
        65 TR4 CT 50054L
       
       
        ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
       
       
        
       
       
        
       
       
        
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Aug 11 10:42:18 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:42:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
In-Reply-To: <20200811163053.AF1D5A0BF2@autox.team.net>
References: <1764191876.50049.1597143695881@connect.xfinity.com>
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My electric pump is mounted to the body under the rear seat.  Early TR4.

 

And ? there is a hidden switch under the dashboard that the wires go through.  Nice safety feature.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of staffel
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:30 AM
To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>; Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

 

Hello Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below where the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The elec pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel (Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump  along side the highway in a rainstorm. Those days are over for me.

 

Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass acorn.  And to replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the original steel pipe, meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing the acorn was impossible as the brass Male nut could not be removed.

 

Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where easily checked, wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or replacing the pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver from 1969 thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to  upstate NY, in the Mid Atlantic & in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the UK or US were much more dependable then.

I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition distributor after poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for months: cam too small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit on breaker plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent spark. 

 

Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper manufacturing these days.

 

Looking forward  to having my TR fully roadworthy again!

Sherman 

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net <mailto:fogbro1 at comcast.net> > 

Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00) 

To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com> >, staffel <staffel at comcast.net <mailto:staffel at comcast.net> > 

Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> > 

Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod 

 

And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.  

 

Ed Woods 

On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Just a couple random thoughts here.  One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.  My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.  You seem somewhat concerned about originality.   

 

Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.  There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years). 

 

Good Luck 

 

Greg Lemon 

TR250 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net <mailto:staffel at comcast.net> > wrote: 

 

Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel. 

 

Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home. 

 

Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'. 

 

Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.  

 

A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.  

 

Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.  

 

So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907). 

 

Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to the mechanical pump. 

 

They would never 'self prime'.  

 

Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.  

 

So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump. 

 

Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds. 

 

Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue. 

 

I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status. 

 

Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.  

 

Sherman D Taffel  

Columbia MD and Goldvein VA  

65 TR4 CT 50054L 

( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA) 

 

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug 11 10:47:11 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:47:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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 Many, many, many years ago I mounted an electric pump on the side of the engine block using one of the mechanical pump mounting studs.? It worked flawlessly for more than 20 years (still works).? At some point I sourced an impact switch from a salvage yard and wired the pump thorough that just for safety purposes.? 

Recently I relocated that pump to the spare tyre well (I have a space-saver so there's lots of room) using two levels of isolation to reduce the noise.? Still works great.? I never had any issue with that pump pulling gas when mounted to the engine block.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>; Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

Hello Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below where the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The elec pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel (Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump? along side the highway in a rainstorm. Those days are over for me.
Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass acorn.? And to replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the original steel pipe, meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing the acorn was impossible as the brass Male nut could not be removed.
Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where easily checked, wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or replacing the pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver from 1969 thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to? upstate NY, in the Mid Atlantic & in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the UK or US were much more dependable then.I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition distributor after poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for months: cam too small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit on breaker plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent spark.?
Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper manufacturing these days.
Looking forward? to having my TR fully roadworthy again!Sherman?


Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

-------- Original message --------From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod 
  And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.?   
   Ed Woods  
  On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:   
   
   Just a couple random thoughts here.? One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.? My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.? You seem somewhat concerned about originality.??  
   Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.? There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).   
   Good Luck   
   Greg Lemon   TR250 
  
   
    
   On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net> wrote: 
  
   
    Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.   
   Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.   
   Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.   
   Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?   
   A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?   
   Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?   
   So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).   
   Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.   
   They would never 'self prime'.?   
   Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?   
   So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.   
   Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.   
   Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.   
   I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.   
   Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?   
   Sherman D Taffel?   Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?   65 TR4 CT 50054L   ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)   
   
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From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:40:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Original steel line & brass acorn- nothing wrong with it OR
 the Male threaded nut. Nothing 'buggered'!
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From albertrunyan at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 11:45:13 2020
From: albertrunyan at gmail.com (albert runyan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:45:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.  Our current fuel pump is
made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.
regards,
Albert
TRF

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of
> Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark &
> started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel
> flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg
> and a Motel.
>
> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the
> Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car
> home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and
> got his trailer & towed me home.
>
> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls.
> So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>
> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so
> while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.
>
> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right
> up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed
> of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope,
> teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.
>
> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the
> female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch
> - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.
>
> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and
> install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>
> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to
> the mechanical pump.
>
> They would never 'self prime'.
>
> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED
> the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is
> less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the
> original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.
>
> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new
> fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows
> the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the
> new location of the electric pump.
>
> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality)
> to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The
> original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and
> forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the
> engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>
> Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
>
> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing
> glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy
> status.
>
> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At
> least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3),
> Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of
> the engine.
>
> Sherman D Taffel
> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA
> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
> ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
>
>
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From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:56:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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Hi Albert! Glad to know you were able to find another source for the fuel pumps. And yes, this issue goes back more than 5 years.?Thanks for letting the community know the pump issue has been resolved:)!Sherman?TRF customer?(since 1973 when at Penn State U)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: albert runyan <albertrunyan at gmail.com> Date: 8/11/20  1:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: staffel <staffel at comcast.net> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.? Our current fuel pump is made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.regards,AlbertTRFOn Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.They would never 'self prime'.?Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?65 TR4 CT 50054L( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphoneSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 12:27:20 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:27:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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I concur with Albert.  I have a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works perfectly.  I carry a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as emergency.  Real easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for power.  They are inexpensive and readily available.  
Cheers
Jim Henningsen


> On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 PM, albert runyan <albertrunyan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.  Our current fuel pump is made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.
> regards,
> Albert
> TRF
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.
>> 
>> Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.
>> 
>> Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.
>> 
>> Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. 
>> 
>> A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. 
>> 
>> Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. 
>> 
>> So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).
>> 
>> Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to the mechanical pump.
>> 
>> They would never 'self prime'. 
>> 
>> Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel. 
>> 
>> So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.
>> 
>> Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.
>> 
>> Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.
>> 
>> I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.
>> 
>> Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine. 
>> 
>> Sherman D Taffel 
>> Columbia MD and Goldvein VA 
>> 65 TR4 CT 50054L
>> ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Aug 11 12:37:24 2020
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:37:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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It's been literally decades since I played with a mechanical pump on my 
TR4A (for me, the decision point to convert to electric was when the 
shaft came loose and the cam follower fell into the engine), but I 
recall that the hard line fittings to the pump are bubble flares - which 
means that the seal comes not from the threads, but from the interface 
between the flare at the end of the pipe and seat machined into the pump.

So pipe dope and tape aren't going to help you at all.

As to electric pumps, they definitely prefer to push rather than pull. 
They also like to be cool. Kas's Comp Prep book indicates that they 
factory team mounted the electric pump inside the driver's side rear 
wheel well, on the vertical panel of the "rear seat". That's where I 
mounted mine, with vibration mounts (and a cut-out switch under the 
steering column), and it was easy to patch into the fuel line with two 
lengths of rubber hose.

I made a blanking plate for the original fuel pump location, but a lot 
of people remove the guts of the pump and let fuel flow through (and if 
you have a glass bowl, that lets you see if fuel is flowing).


From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Aug 11 12:40:11 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 14:40:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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Ed is correct, it is the ferrule that does the sealing when it is compressed by the threaded fitting tightening down to the fuel pump housing. The fuel pipe threads into the fuel pump with a 5/16? compression fitting. If replaced, these may be prone to leaking fuel because the original ferrule was .297? to .303? in length whereas most North American ferrules are only .247? to .253? in length. Consequently, the compression fitting often bottoms out before the ferrule is properly compressed. The Roadster Factory sells compression fittings and ferrules that they claim do not have this problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring suggested using two ferrules end to end and filed down on the mating surface to get the necessary length.



 

From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> 
Sent: August 11, 2020 7:02 AM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>; staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

 

And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.  

 

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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 14:10:37 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:10:37 -0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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My local British repair shop recommended a Hardi fuel pump, made in Germany. ?You can mount it by the fuel tank?to push, or in the engine bay to pull. ?Works great, very quiet.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On August 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

I concur with Albert. ?I have a made in Italy one from TRF on my 6 and works perfectly. ?I carry a spare Delphi low pressure electric pump in boot as emergency. ?Real easy to hook up on driver inner fender and wire to coil for power. ?They are inexpensive and readily available. ?
Cheers
Jim Henningsen


On Aug 11, 2020, at 1:45 PM, albert runyan <albertrunyan at gmail.com> wrote:

?
We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.? Our current fuel pump is made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.
regards,
Albert
TRF

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:

Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.

Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.

Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.

Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?

A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?

Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?

So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).

Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.

They would never 'self prime'.?

Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?

So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.

Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.

Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.

I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.

Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?

Sherman D Taffel?
Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?
65 TR4 CT 50054L
( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)


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From staffel at comcast.net  Tue Aug 11 15:00:36 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:00:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] FW: Re:  TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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Hi Albert! Glad to know you were able to find another source for the fuel pumps. And yes, this issue goes back more than 5 years.?Thanks for letting the community know the pump issue has been resolved:)!Sherman?TRF customer?(since 1973 when at Penn State U)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone-------- Original message --------From: albert runyan <albertrunyan at gmail.com> Date: 8/11/20  1:45 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: staffel <staffel at comcast.net> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod We stopped selling this pump about 5 years ago.? Our current fuel pump is made in Italy and we do not have issues with them.regards,AlbertTRFOn Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 11:43 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:
Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.They would never 'self prime'.?Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD and Goldvein VA?65 TR4 CT 50054L( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphoneSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From italyfound at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 18:45:19 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:45:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Challenging request
Message-ID: <5f333b9f.1c69fb81.7a49a.2ee0@mx.google.com>

Hello all?.firstly would like t thank all who responded to my spin-on oil filter for the TR6.

This request is probably sitting in Randall?s files?.?o(

My Triumph TR6 has a complete setup with the dealer installed factory air conditioning complete to the special air vents. I have had it installed for over 10 years and never made the final connections and charging the system. I am about 99% just needed to make sure it is all correct.

I have just moved and the actual installation instructions is neatly packed away and in storage. My question is does anyone have those instructions archived that they could provide me.

Thanks,
Alex

TR6 with a/c not hooked up?.  Lol 

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Tue Aug 11 21:33:59 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 20:33:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Challenging request
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Randall did have it.? Go to 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl 
and scroll down to "TR6 factory AC Installation Instructions.pdf"

File is 12MB, bigger than I can send.

Brian

On 8/11/2020 5:45 PM, Italyfound wrote:
>
> Hello all?.firstly would like t thank all who responded to my spin-on 
> oil filter for the TR6.
>
> This request is probably sitting in Randall?s files?.?o(
>
> My Triumph TR6 has a complete setup with the dealer installed factory 
> air conditioning complete to the special air vents. I have had it 
> installed for over 10 years and never made the final connections and 
> charging the system. I am about 99% just needed to make sure it is all 
> correct.
>
> I have just moved and the actual installation instructions is neatly 
> packed away and in storage. My question is does anyone have those 
> instructions archived that they could provide me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> TR6 with a/c not hooked up?.? Lol
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Aug 12 07:57:27 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:57:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
Message-ID: <002a01d670b0$84742ed0$8d5c8c70$@uprichard.net>

Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have
noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly
know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don't know everything
there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over
the years.

 

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be
arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most
of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of
you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a
TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently
patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

 

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall's mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it
isn't going to happen, people.

 

Please let me be clear - this list has always seemed to me a friendly and
intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic
recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven't thanked him enough, I
apologize.  Mark - remind us again how to contribute.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Aug 12 08:10:01 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:10:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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Andrew,

The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know. I have owned 5 
different Triumphs, 2 3's, 2 4's and a 6. Restored them all over the 
years. Sometimes I have to think twice when a problem arises on my 
current 3,4 and 6. I am hoping the list and its collective knowledge 
continues and passes on to our sons and daughters.

Randall and Fred have passed on and we will miss them and their help but 
with the help of Randall's archives and the list we will continue.

Bob

On 8/12/20 9:57 AM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.? One trend 
> I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they 
> supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t 
> know everything there is to know.? Goodness knows how many dumb 
> questions I have asked over the years.
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall. If anyone had the credentials 
> to be arrogant or condescending, he did.? He knew more about these 
> cars than most of us collectively ever will.? Yet he was always kind 
> and sincere.? Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago 
> who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of 
> questions:? Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am 
> sure some of us rolled our eyes.
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.? 
> Well, it isn?t going to happen, people.
>
> Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly 
> and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).? I have seen less 
> traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we 
> work on our beloved cars.? Mark does a great job and if I haven?t 
> thanked him enough, I apologize.? Mark ? remind us again how to 
> contribute.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 08:55:14 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 07:55:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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On 8/12/20 7:10 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> The problem I have is forgetting things I used to know.
>
*I have always had a poor memory, which is why I started my TR3 web 
site. So I and others can refer to it for things I likely have 
forgotten. Sadly a lot of things I learned that is not in manuals never 
made it into the web site but some has including my research on Webers 
when I was learning to set mine up and my research on cylinder heads 
from when I was looking for a replacement cylinder head. I have a net 
nuggets? sections to capture technical emails on subjects that I think 
are not adequately covered in manuals. Sadly it is not up to date and I 
probably have close to 100 emails on technical subjects I need to add to 
those pages.

While I do not have nearly the expertise of those we have lost, and only 
have experience with my TR3, there is some good stuff in the web site 
that some TR2 - 4A folks might find of use.*

http://www.tr3a.info

TeriAnn

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Aug 12 09:02:03 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:02:03 +0000
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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What Andrew said...

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 12, 2020, at 08:59, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn?t going to happen, people.

Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Aug 12 09:58:08 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:58:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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We all miss Randall.? He seemed to have knowledge on everything.

I am not Mark,? but Mark provides a link to donate at the bottom of the 
emails:

Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html

On 8/12/2020 10:02 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
> Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 11:56:29 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 13:56:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Original steel line & brass acorn- nothing wrong with it
 OR the Male threaded nut. Nothing 'buggered'!
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I seem to recall something about an "extended-length" olive in the fitting
that was required to make it seal properly.  What I see in this picture is
a regular one.

Perhaps that's the problem?

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 1:41 PM staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:

> Sherman
>
>
>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Wed Aug 12 15:02:08 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 22:02:08 +0100
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour. 

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks. 

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy. 

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.? 

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else. 

So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced. 

I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.
>  
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.
>  
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn?t going to happen, people.
>  
> Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Aug 12 17:13:18 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 23:13:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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References: <002a01d670b0$84742ed0$8d5c8c70$@uprichard.net>,
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What a nice gesture, John.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk<mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>> wrote:

I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.?

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.

So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced.

I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:

Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn?t going to happen, people.

Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Aug 13 05:45:55 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:45:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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 That is a very touching tribute. Thank you for sharing.
I am reminded of what a friend of mine from Congo once said.? He said in his tradition when an old person dies it is like loosing a library.? Fortunately for us, much of what he knew was documented.? Alas, it is never the case that everything is.
 
Dave 

 
 
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I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.?
Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.?
Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.?
For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.??
Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.?
So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced.?
I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: ??By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?

On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:



#yiv4179133491 #yiv4179133491 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv4179133491 #yiv4179133491 p.yiv4179133491MsoNormal, #yiv4179133491 li.yiv4179133491MsoNormal, #yiv4179133491 div.yiv4179133491MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4179133491 span.yiv4179133491EmailStyle18 {font-family:New serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;}#yiv4179133491 .yiv4179133491MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv4179133491 div.yiv4179133491WordSection1 {}#yiv4179133491 Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.? One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know everything there is to know.? Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years. ?It made me think (again) about Randall.? If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.? He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.? Yet he was always kind and sincere.? Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:? Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes. ?Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.? Well, it isn?t going to happen, people. ?Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).? I have seen less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.? Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I apologize.? Mark ? remind us again how to contribute. ?Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan
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From Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu  Thu Aug 13 05:54:02 2020
From: Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu (Reihing, Randall S.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:54:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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Jonmac,

Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour. As a "Marquess" I believe Randall would have been considered to be a Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and leadership, among other excellent attributes. This was indeed Randall, a good and decent man, always gracious, honorable and supportive. Randall freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusiasm for all things Triumph in a way that never left anyone involved with Triumph's feeling subtly disparaged, or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience. Especially when one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment, often related to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.

I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from our Triumph community, a true a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.

>From Randall's obituary: "Close family and friends of Mr. Randall C. Young will gather in the Vienna Public Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the graves of his parents, for his interment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home in Vienna."

Randall's obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his memory and leaving a message for his family is here: https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young

I miss him.

Randall Reihing
Whitehouse, Ohio
[https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/fh_live/13900/13982/images/obituaries/7060894_fbs.jpg]<https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
Obituary | Randall Charles Young of Lakewood, California | Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home<https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3, 1955, at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille Henderson Young, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16, 2020, in Lakewood Regional Medical Center, Lakewood, California. He had been in failing
www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com


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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

What a nice gesture, John.

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk<mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>> wrote:

I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks.

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.?

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.

So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced.

I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:


Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have asked over the years.



It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.



Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn?t going to happen, people.



Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I apologize.  Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.



Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 06:53:52 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:53:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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The tribute and honor from JonMac are very fitting.  Randall's
contributions epitomized what is best about the list and forums.

As far as the comments about being condescending and judgmental, I hope
that isn't ever me, I try not to be, but the tone intended and the tone
coveyed are not always the same,  if I miss the mark please let me know
(politely).

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020, 6:54 AM Reihing, Randall S. <
Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu> wrote:

> Jonmac,
>
> Thank you for this very nice, very touching tribute and deserved honour.
> As a "Marquess" I believe Randall would have been considered to be a
> Nobleman, a man who consistently demonstrated honourable behaviour and
> leadership, among other excellent attributes. This was indeed Randall, a
> good and decent man, always gracious, honorable and supportive. Randall
> freely shared his knowledge, insight and enthusiasm for all things Triumph
> in a way that never left anyone involved with Triumph's feeling subtly
> disparaged, or looked down on for their lack of knowledge or experience.
> Especially when one of us is confused by some mysterious Triumph ailment,
> often related to the dubious quality of Lucas devices and methodology.
>
> I truly and sadly miss Randall's emails and insight, his kindness and his
> unending thoughtful explanations. I feel like something is missing from our
> Triumph community, a true a one of a kind, who cannot be replaced.
>
> From Randall's obituary: "Close family and friends of Mr. Randall C.
> Young will gather in the Vienna Public Cemetery, (Vienna Missouri) near the
> graves of his parents, for his interment at 10:30 a.m., on Tuesday, August
> 18, 2020 by the Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home in Vienna."
>
> Randall's obituary, including the option of lighting a candle in his
> memory and leaving a message for his family is here:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
>
> I miss him.
>
> Randall Reihing
> Whitehouse, Ohio
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Obituary | Randall Charles Young of Lakewood, California |
> Birmingham-Martin Funeral Home
> <https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young>
> Randall Charles Young, of Lakewood, California, was born on August 3,
> 1955, at San Antonio, Texas, the son of John Earl and Nellie Lucille
> Henderson Young, and departed this life at 111 p.m., on Thursday, July 16,
> 2020, in Lakewood Regional Medical Center, Lakewood, California. He had
> been in failing
> www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Michael
> Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 12, 2020 7:13 PM
> *To:* John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
>
> What a nice gesture, John.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael Marr
>
> Mobile:  630-202-0065
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 12, 2020, at 16:03, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old
> Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email
> lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard
> Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make
> contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things
> were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded
> with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that
> group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down.
> It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
>
> However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of
> techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars
> running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of
> honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour.
>
> Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new
> and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He
> accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of
> thanks.
>
> Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of
> the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its
> site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the
> myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was
> covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy.
>
> For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one
> was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the
> 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the
> reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to
> Ivy Cottage for yer answer.?
>
> Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin
> functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the
> company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else.
>
> So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to
> be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best
> company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
>
> I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so
> many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as
> former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no
> way misplaced.
>
> I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and
> fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a
> thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the
> Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post
> the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
>
> Jonmac
>
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?
>
>
> On 12 Aug 2020, at 14:57, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> wrote:
>
> Every morning I browse various TR websites and chat pages.  One trend I
> have noticed is various individuals who like to show how much they
> supposedly know by demeaning or ridiculing those of us who maybe don?t know
> everything there is to know.  Goodness knows how many dumb questions I have
> asked over the years.
>
>
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to
> be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
> most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.
> Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to
> restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was
> consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.
>
>
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well,
> it isn?t going to happen, people.
>
>
>
> Please let me be clear ? this list has always seemed to me a friendly and
> intimate place (with just a few exceptions).  I have seen less traffic
> recently and I sincerely hope it continues for as long as we work on our
> beloved cars.  Mark does a great job and if I haven?t thanked him enough, I
> apologize.  Mark ? remind us again how to contribute.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 13 11:48:16 2020
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:48:16 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
In-Reply-To: <04ae01d6700e$d8a603e0$89f20ba0$@bell.net>
References: <20200811034349.E5AFCA13BD@autox.team.net>
 <CAFtw3aZ9PaZ=jY0otBFQn6OBkM+DeJGG8r=NJ4L8y=n70ZhWyA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1764191876.50049.1597143695881@connect.xfinity.com>,
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This piqued my interest as I've had (along with others in my club) leaks at the fuel pump inlet, and it seemed logical if modern ferrules were 0.25" vs the original 0.30". I looked at several ferrules I have and they are all 0.25". So then I looked up the ferrule in the Standard Triumph Hardware Catalog. It is a TL0008 and according to the specs, it was: suited for pipe diameter 5/16" with a nominal internal diameter of 0.315"-0.318" and a thickness (length) of 0.250". So it appears that the length was not 0.300". Maybe the shape was different of the wall thickness was wider on the original ferrules???

[cid:d01a28c2-2e95-4b1d-bbce-3778a14cbc19]

________________________________
From: keithstewart at bell.net <keithstewart at bell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:40 AM
To: 'EDWARD WOODS' <fogbro1 at comcast.net>; 'Greg Lemon' <grglmn at gmail.com>; 'staffel' <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod


Ed is correct, it is the ferrule that does the sealing when it is compressed by the threaded fitting tightening down to the fuel pump housing. The fuel pipe threads into the fuel pump with a 5/16? compression fitting. If replaced, these may be prone to leaking fuel because the original ferrule was .297? to .303? in length whereas most North American ferrules are only .247? to .253? in length. Consequently, the compression fitting often bottoms out before the ferrule is properly compressed. The Roadster Factory sells compression fittings and ferrules that they claim do not have this problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring suggested using two ferrules end to end and filed down on the mating surface to get the necessary length.

[cid:image001.png at 01D66FED.44E9E5C0]



From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
Sent: August 11, 2020 7:02 AM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>; staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod



And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.



Ed Woods


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From HDRider570 at att.net  Thu Aug 13 12:12:36 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:12:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
References: <0f5ae1da-43d2-ba68-5e26-1ca33603804b.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <0f5ae1da-43d2-ba68-5e26-1ca33603804b@att.net>

The original olives I have seen all have tapered ends but a section in 
the middle that is straight.?? All were longer than any replacement ones 
that I could find.?? I have often wondered if UK olives are still longer 
but have never remembered to stop by a parts store while visiting. 
Perhaps the 1/4" in the factory listing is the length of that section.?? 
Part of the two nations divided by a common language malaise.

I have successfully removed old olives from the lines and reused them 
since I first had issue with fuel leakage back in the 70's.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Thu Aug 13 13:19:32 2020
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:19:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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References: <20200811034349.E5AFCA13BD@autox.team.net>
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The fuel line into the pump (from the tank) is 5/16 and calls for the TL0008 ferrule and a 60142 tube nut, which is longer than the typical US 5/16 tube nut. The pump outlet to the carbs is ?? tubing, and the ferrule and tube nut on that line are special: Standard part nos 102729 and 60179, respectively. 102729 has a profile shaped something like this:

[cid:image002.png at 01D67174.5F332260]

The tube nut presses on the flat surface at the left, the tapered surface to the right seals at the pump body.

At the moment I can?t find the old one I?ve got somewhere.

Cliff


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From: Joel E. Justin<mailto:j_bar_j at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 11:49 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

This piqued my interest as I've had (along with others in my club) leaks at the fuel pump inlet, and it seemed logical if modern ferrules were 0.25" vs the original 0.30". I looked at several ferrules I have and they are all 0.25". So then I looked up the ferrule in the Standard Triumph Hardware Catalog. It is a TL0008 and according to the specs, it was: suited for pipe diameter 5/16" with a nominal internal diameter of 0.315"-0.318" and a thickness (length) of 0.250". So it appears that the length was not 0.300". Maybe the shape was different of the wall thickness was wider on the original ferrules???

[cid:d01a28c2-2e95-4b1d-bbce-3778a14cbc19]


From: keithstewart at bell.net <keithstewart at bell.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:40 AM
To: 'EDWARD WOODS' <fogbro1 at comcast.net>; 'Greg Lemon' <grglmn at gmail.com>; 'staffel' <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod


Ed is correct, it is the ferrule that does the sealing when it is compressed by the threaded fitting tightening down to the fuel pump housing. The fuel pipe threads into the fuel pump with a 5/16? compression fitting. If replaced, these may be prone to leaking fuel because the original ferrule was .297? to .303? in length whereas most North American ferrules are only .247? to .253? in length. Consequently, the compression fitting often bottoms out before the ferrule is properly compressed. The Roadster Factory sells compression fittings and ferrules that they claim do not have this problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring suggested using two ferrules end to end and filed down on the mating surface to get the necessary length.

[cid:image007.png at 01D67174.5F332260]



From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
Sent: August 11, 2020 7:02 AM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>; staffel <staffel at comcast.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod



And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.



Ed Woods



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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 13:51:22 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 14:51:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
In-Reply-To: <0f5ae1da-43d2-ba68-5e26-1ca33603804b@att.net>
References: <0f5ae1da-43d2-ba68-5e26-1ca33603804b@att.net>
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Moss lists two different olives, $2.49 & .59.   Probably the first one is what you need, might be worth a phone call to ask the difference.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 13, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

?The original olives I have seen all have tapered ends but a section in the middle that is straight.?? All were longer than any replacement ones that I could find.?? I have often wondered if UK olives are still longer but have never remembered to stop by a parts store while visiting. Perhaps the 1/4" in the factory listing is the length of that section.?? Part of the two nations divided by a common language malaise.

I have successfully removed old olives from the lines and reused them since I first had issue with fuel leakage back in the 70's.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From glewis999 at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 14:19:53 2020
From: glewis999 at aol.com (glewis999 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 20:19:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fuel delivery
References: <1152720120.1681687.1597349993218.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1152720120.1681687.1597349993218@mail.yahoo.com>

I have recently gone through the process of replacing the fuel pump (AC Delco rebuilt original) and the first outlet pipe I made leaked. I had ordered both the new copper pipe and the olives from a UK Triumph parts company (?I live in the UK). The outlet pipe was, originally, back in the day,1/4?. The pipe I had been supplied was not 1/4? but a metric equivalent,?as were the olives. So I found a supplier (a general engineering company) that could supply genuine 1/4? copper pipe and 1/4? brass olives. When making the fitting I was sure to push the copper pipe as far into the pump as it would go then gently tightened up the sleeve nut against the back of the olive. This captured the olive on the pipe with a short length of pipe protruding from the olive. When fitted the pipe did not leak, so it is a question of ensuring that the pipe and olive are a match.The inlet pipe to the pump is 5/16?.
Graham


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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Aug 13 15:50:20 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 17:50:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
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References: <002a01d670b0$84742ed0$8d5c8c70$@uprichard.net>
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Message-ID: <012701d671bb$bd6d0570$38471050$@bell.net>

Thanks for this meaningful response John. As always, you have covered this topic in not only a meaningful manner, but also a heart-warming one.

 

Cheers

Keith

 

From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> 
Sent: August 12, 2020 5:02 PM
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one

 

I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.

 

However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour. 

 

Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks. 

 

Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy. 

 

For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.? 

 

Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else. 

 

So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.

 

I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced. 

 

I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.

 

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:

Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?

Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?

 

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From jeffn at msystech.com  Thu Aug 13 17:13:11 2020
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Jeff Nathanson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:13:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 power antenna
Message-ID: <01cd01d671c7$51f04620$f5d0d260$@msystech.com>

Has anyone successfully installed a power radio antenna for a Triumph TR6?
I don't see it available for  TR6 on the big 3 (Moss TRF or Rimmer).  But
stranger things have happened.

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 18:26:56 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 19:26:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
In-Reply-To: <012701d671bb$bd6d0570$38471050$@bell.net>
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Thank you John for your kind thoughts, I am sure we all share them with you.  

BTW, who on this list besides yourself are former S-T employees?

All the best,
Bill

On Aug 13, 2020, at 4:50 PM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:

?
Thanks for this meaningful response John. As always, you have covered this topic in not only a meaningful manner, but also a heart-warming one.
 
Cheers
Keith
 
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> 
Sent: August 12, 2020 5:02 PM
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Missing Randall Young in more ways than one
 
I too greatly miss Randall?s fascinating and proven techniques on old Triumph ownership and maintenance. Very few people who populate the email lists run by Mark realise there are about five remaining former Standard Triumph employees who are merely ?watchers? on the lists and never make contributions of their own because their memories of how and why things were done the way they were when the cars were new, are now seriously jaded with the passage of time. I have no hesitation including myself in that group for the simple fact that my own memory is seriously letting me down. It will continue to do so through the onset of vascular dementia.
 
However, Randall amazed all of us with his expansive knowledge of techniques and options of safe and reliable shortcuts to keep the cars running and as ?Coventrians? we thought we should accord him some form of honourable title that had a particular Standard Triumph flavour. 
 
Together and as a group of Old F****s, it fell to me to inform him his new and very unofficial title which was The Marquess of Ivy Cottage. He accepted and sent us (through me) a most modest and touching letter of thanks. 
 
Now, many if not all of you, will have no idea of the origin or import of the ?title? so I?ll explain. When the Standard Motor Company moved to its site at Canley, a Coventry suburb, the only building which could house the myriad non production issues was a former three storey house that was covered in Virginia Creeper that everyone mistakenly called ivy. 
 
For a few years, Ivy Cottage was the only place in the company where one was likely to find answers to all sorts of questions. Even in my day in the 1960s, if you asked a colleague a question he or she couldn?t answer, the reply was usually on the lines of ?that?s a rum one, our kid. Best go to Ivy Cottage for yer answer.? 
 
Of course, by that time, Ivy Cottage had gone through many different admin functions but ?best go to Ivy Cottage? was the lingua Franca within the company to get your issue sorted out somewhere else. 
 
So you see, Randall?s endless responses to what must have seemed to him to be tedious and repetitive in the extreme, were dealt with in the best company tradition and with appropriate nomenclature.
 
I know without any doubt that Randall *was* that essential backup that so many listers sought and there?s no doubt in my mind that our decision as former employees to bestow that title on him, was entirely just and in no way misplaced. 
 
I miss his contributions already even though I?ve been Triumph and fFerguson tractor-less for nearly two decades. I?ll give google images a thorough caning for an image of Ivy Cottage so all of you can see where the Marquess had his official company seat. When I find what I want, I?ll post the link for you to do a click through and see for yourselves.
 
Jonmac

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 10:31:50 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 09:31:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always
reads high

I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
another forum how to calibrate the gauge.

I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
temperature?

Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data
for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.

Regards, Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:41:49 2020
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 13:41:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YD1Fvj_n+-CBqBcC5QnVi78P-eBYfhJZ=Mj+jtZCey-rg@mail.gmail.com>

THis is for an MGB, but I think they use the same sender.  THere is a chart
and instructions on how to test.

http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/temperature-sensor.html

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
> always reads high
>
> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
> temperature?
>
> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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>
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Fri Aug 14 12:53:04 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:53:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 power antenna
References: <aa6be1d7-b445-9252-0f56-adc5c7abc8a0.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <aa6be1d7-b445-9252-0f56-adc5c7abc8a0@att.net>

I have installed? a power antenna in a TR4 on the rear deck with no 
issues.It fits beside/behind the tank and in front of the black board at 
the front of the trunk space so it is not visible once all is back in 
place.? I think that I drilled the hole myself in the body so I was very 
careful to place it so it all would fit correctly.

Once in place it was just a matter of running power, sensor, and antenna 
wires from the dash, under the carpets, and to the trunk.? Generally toy 
can follow the main wire harness as it wanders rearward.

Interesting side note. I was watching YouTube recently on on two 
occasions the presenters were trying to decide if the vehicles were 
positive or negative ground.? They both thought that the headlights 
would burn out or not function if not correct.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma Ca


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 12:57:56 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 11:57:56 -0700
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YD1Fvj_n+-CBqBcC5QnVi78P-eBYfhJZ=Mj+jtZCey-rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANLCLaGQvAQL03KeJSYzgY1uZRVGn_vtCEfVwYjir6gd5yFGhw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, I'll check it out.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:42 AM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

> THis is for an MGB, but I think they use the same sender.  THere is a
> chart and instructions on how to test.
>
> http://diary-of-mgb.blogspot.com/2011/03/temperature-sensor.html
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 11:32 AM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
>> always reads high
>>
>> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
>> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>>
>> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
>> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
>> temperature?
>>
>> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
>> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>>
>> Regards, Sujit
>>
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>>
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 14 13:15:47 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:15:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>

 Here are some data for the TR8.? This might be close enough for the stag:
Temp C??? Temp F??? Orig ohms?? GTR110 ohms
50??????? 122?????? 332???????? 290
55??????? 131?????? 275???????? 242
60??????? 140?????? 227???????? 197
65??????? 149?????? 193???????? 169
70??????? 158?????? 158???????? 142
75??????? 167?????? 134???????? 120
80??????? 176?????? 114???????? 102
85??????? 185?????? 99????????? 91
90??????? 194?????? 85????????? 77
95??????? 203?????? 74????????? 65
100?????? 212?????? 60????????? 55
105?????? 221?????? 51????????? 48
110?????? 230?????? 44????????? 41
115?????? 239?????? 37????????? 37
120?????? 248?????? 32????????? 31
125?????? 257?????? 28????????? 28
130?????? 266?????? 24????????? 25
135?????? 275?????? 21????????? 22


If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

I'm going?to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high?
I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage?regulator, and another?forum how to calibrate the?gauge.
I'm trying to figure out how to test the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance?changes with temperature?
Since?most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data for the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
Regards, Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From italyfound at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 18:19:42 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:19:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Question
Message-ID: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>

I may be pushing my luck here. Asked three questions and got three solid answers?..so maybe one more??.

I am preparing my TR6 for a Goodparts Stromberg tri-carb setup. I have had this for years (12) and finally deciding to prep it right and install it.

Years ago when I purchased it I remember seeing a few installations where the stock dual airboxes (2 or 3) were modified (cut & welded) to make a stock looking airbox for the tri-carb setup. I have the boxes but cannot locate a picture of those that made this modification.

Does anyone have a photo, procedures or know someone who has this modification on their car?

Thanks again,
Alex Manzo
72 TR6
59 TR3A 

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Fri Aug 14 19:19:34 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 02:19:34 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR6 Question
In-Reply-To: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>
References: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <ECEE79BC-4421-43EE-8E3F-BA8F0E779667@Ukpips.org.uk>

Alex, there are photos on the ?net of the three carb set up of Leyland Australia on the Triumph 2000/2500 saloons. It may take a little digging but the images *are* out there.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 15 Aug 2020, at 01:19, Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I may be pushing my luck here. Asked three questions and got three solid answers?..so maybe one more??.
>  
> I am preparing my TR6 for a Goodparts Stromberg tri-carb setup. I have had this for years (12) and finally deciding to prep it right and install it.
>  
> Years ago when I purchased it I remember seeing a few installations where the stock dual airboxes (2 or 3) were modified (cut & welded) to make a stock looking airbox for the tri-carb setup. I have the boxes but cannot locate a picture of those that made this modification.
>  
> Does anyone have a photo, procedures or know someone who has this modification on their car?
>  
> Thanks again,
> Alex Manzo
> 72 TR6
> 59 TR3A
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 15 07:41:52 2020
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:41:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix in 74 TR6
In-Reply-To: <ECEE79BC-4421-43EE-8E3F-BA8F0E779667@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <1569986980.2433622.1597498912091@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Hello all,

I am trying to install a Pertronix ignitor electronic ignitionin by 74 TR6 (replacing the 30+ year old Piranha) that finally failed. My carhas a ballast resistor. The instructions from Pertronix say to install the redwire in front of the ballast resistor but I cannot seem to find it or anydrawings anywhere. Has anyone done this and can provide any guidance?

?Thank you

?Robert Rudolphi

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Aug 15 08:03:02 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:03:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Question
In-Reply-To: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>
References: <5f372a1e.1c69fb81.fa214.9c42@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003101d6730c$cbc893d0$6359bb70$@ranteer.com>

Don?t do it.  The triple carb setup needs LOTS of air.  The airbox chokes them.  I did that.  Had to totally lean out the carbs to make it work.  use three separate K&N filters.  The slick looking triple carb airbox looks slick but starves the carbs of the air they need.  I threw mine away after I spent all that time and money on it.

 

www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6 <http://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr6> 

 

there should be a picture in there.

 

Don?t do it.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Italyfound
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 7:20 PM
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 Question

 

I may be pushing my luck here. Asked three questions and got three solid answers?..so maybe one more??.

 

I am preparing my TR6 for a Goodparts Stromberg tri-carb setup. I have had this for years (12) and finally deciding to prep it right and install it.

 

Years ago when I purchased it I remember seeing a few installations where the stock dual airboxes (2 or 3) were modified (cut & welded) to make a stock looking airbox for the tri-carb setup. I have the boxes but cannot locate a picture of those that made this modification.

 

Does anyone have a photo, procedures or know someone who has this modification on their car?

 

Thanks again,

Alex Manzo

72 TR6

59 TR3A 

 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 10:30:08 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 09:30:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEn_Q0aTeJXaq=BbTzLrg2ptkD=XH87mbBEGBBpKqExqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the
gauge should be  to resistance values.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the stag:
> Temp C    Temp F    Orig ohms   GTR110 ohms
> 50        122       332         290
> 55        131       275         242
> 60        140       227         197
> 65        149       193         169
> 70        158       158         142
> 75        167       134         120
> 80        176       114         102
> 85        185       99          91
> 90        194       85          77
> 95        203       74          65
> 100       212       60          55
> 105       221       51          48
> 110       230       44          41
> 115       239       37          37
> 120       248       32          31
> 125       257       28          28
> 130       266       24          25
> 135       275       21          22
>
>
> If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them
> in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
> Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
> always reads high
>
> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
> temperature?
>
> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Aug 15 11:35:25 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 17:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEn_Q0aTeJXaq=BbTzLrg2ptkD=XH87mbBEGBBpKqExqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CANLCLaEn_Q0aTeJXaq=BbTzLrg2ptkD=XH87mbBEGBBpKqExqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1036646263.1854751.1597512925340@mail.yahoo.com>

 That could be problematic.? If the Stag gauges work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 volts on the gauge.? But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM regulator.? The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.? And the switching frequency is about one hertz.? The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.? 

There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.? If you have one of those you could get a reliable reading.? But that is if you have one of those.
All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the gauge should be? to resistance values.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Here are some data for the TR8.? This might be close enough for the stag:
Temp C??? Temp F??? Orig ohms?? GTR110 ohms
50??????? 122?????? 332???????? 290
55??????? 131?????? 275???????? 242
60??????? 140?????? 227???????? 197
65??????? 149?????? 193???????? 169
70??????? 158?????? 158???????? 142
75??????? 167?????? 134???????? 120
80??????? 176?????? 114???????? 102
85??????? 185?????? 99????????? 91
90??????? 194?????? 85????????? 77
95??????? 203?????? 74????????? 65
100?????? 212?????? 60????????? 55
105?????? 221?????? 51????????? 48
110?????? 230?????? 44????????? 41
115?????? 239?????? 37????????? 37
120?????? 248?????? 32????????? 31
125?????? 257?????? 28????????? 28
130?????? 266?????? 24????????? 25
135?????? 275?????? 21????????? 22


If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

I'm going?to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high?
I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage?regulator, and another?forum how to calibrate the?gauge.
I'm trying to figure out how to test the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance?changes with temperature?
Since?most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data for the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
Regards, Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 12:04:16 2020
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 14:04:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPuCxnV4ncJ1b-w1JpFqif_X9wdNQoewaKNoqAaVcdj27w@mail.gmail.com>

Andrew, I know it is me of which you speak.  I was the TR3 upstart asking
the fundamental questions.  Randall always answered them in a way that I
could understand the answer.  Regardless of the question, he always had a
correct answer.  The picture someone posted of him doesn't quite fit the
image of him that I created in my head.  I thought of him as a know-it-all
(who really did know-it-all) , a grandfather-esque figure for this group.
Can you believe I caught him making a mistake once?  One that I actually
got to correct him on, it was something simple like the color of wires or
something.  He quickly admitted the error.  Maybe "FT" admitted to me that
Randall seemingly knew it all, and I got a kick from talking to them. (ISTR
a little friction between these two.  Fred sent me pages of snail mail on
types of distributors for my 25D and I actually met him and some other
racer legend at Road Atlanta.  Thru this list, I got to correspond with
great people like Jack Drews and others, what great guys!  I can't remember
the name of the guy who rebuilt my oil pump for me.  The guy who braved
frozen temperatures to exactly tell me correct door gaps.  I never took up
Randall's offer to help me with my canceling mechanism with my steering
wheel- what great guys!  I guess now their up there in the 'great
race-track in the sky'.
I don't have the depth that all you guys have.  Randall always
gave out the kind and lengthy (if necessary, answers).  Like an ignorant
kid, seems like I boasted about the hardness of brass and I got a stiff
reply from someone else (I can't remember who), but, I can't really
chalk-up the almost abandoned TR3 project that I started something like 20
years ago to that.  I'm just too timid!
Why just today I got a distributor cap that I ordered from Moss for my
project.  (It's the second cap I've had to order for that car and I have
never drove it a single mile! Go figure? ).  I live near corrosion acres
and for awhile I thought of the rust I had kinda like a fine patina finish,
one that I would be proud to one day show off!  Sad to say, but maybe due
to age and having a head injury, my license to drive has been taken from
me.  However, I still dream, however, of fixing the tr3.  If I ever
re-start my project in earnest, you might have to bear with my stupid
questions, pretend your Randall!

Paul Dorsey- 60 TR3

<<


It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to
be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.
Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to
restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was
consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.



Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well,
it isn?t goin
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 15 12:13:53 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 13:13:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
In-Reply-To: <CAFU8DPuCxnV4ncJ1b-w1JpFqif_X9wdNQoewaKNoqAaVcdj27w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFU8DPuCxnV4ncJ1b-w1JpFqif_X9wdNQoewaKNoqAaVcdj27w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <550FD383-0C93-4FD6-8E1E-E633FFAF89BB@yahoo.com>

Well put, Paul, I ask my share of overly simple questions that I could not resolve by myself.  

?Better to ask stupid questions now than to fix stupid mistakes later?

Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 15, 2020, at 1:06 PM, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Andrew, I know it is me of which you speak.  I was the TR3 upstart asking the fundamental questions.  Randall always answered them in a way that I could understand the answer.  Regardless of the question, he always had a correct answer.  The picture someone posted of him doesn't quite fit the image of him that I created in my head.  I thought of him as a know-it-all (who really did know-it-all) , a grandfather-esque figure for this group.  Can you believe I caught him making a mistake once?  One that I actually got to correct him on, it was something simple like the color of wires or something.  He quickly admitted the error.  Maybe "FT" admitted to me that Randall seemingly knew it all, and I got a kick from talking to them. (ISTR a little friction between these two.  Fred sent me pages of snail mail on types of distributors for my 25D and I actually met him and some other racer legend at Road Atlanta.  Thru this list, I got to correspond with great people like Jack Drews and others, what great guys!  I can't remember the name of the guy who rebuilt my oil pump for me.  The guy who braved frozen temperatures to exactly tell me correct door gaps.  I never took up Randall's offer to help me with my canceling mechanism with my steering wheel- what great guys!  I guess now their up there in the 'great race-track in the sky'.
I don't have the depth that all you guys have.  Randall always
gave out the kind and lengthy (if necessary, answers).  Like an ignorant kid, seems like I boasted about the hardness of brass and I got a stiff reply from someone else (I can't remember who), but, I can't really chalk-up the almost abandoned TR3 project that I started something like 20 years ago to that.  I'm just too timid!
Why just today I got a distributor cap that I ordered from Moss for my project.  (It's the second cap I've had to order for that car and I have never drove it a single mile! Go figure? ).  I live near corrosion acres and for awhile I thought of the rust I had kinda like a fine patina finish, one that I would be proud to one day show off!  Sad to say, but maybe due to age and having a head injury, my license to drive has been taken from me.  However, I still dream, however, of fixing the tr3.  If I ever re-start my project in earnest, you might have to bear with my stupid questions, pretend your Randall! 

Paul Dorsey- 60 TR3

<<

It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

 

Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well, it isn?t goin

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 12:25:20 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 11:25:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <1036646263.1854751.1597512925340@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CANLCLaF_Qu+Etqen2wMZ_LRvoQXBvxYzmDTcK4rf9EvUTSTDBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have
some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe
some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some
sanity.  My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.  At around 70 mph the engine
speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers
similar

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> That could be problematic.  If the Stag gauges work like those in the
> TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10
> volts on the gauge.  But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM
> regulator.  The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero
> on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.  And the
> switching frequency is about one hertz.  The gauges react slowly enough
> that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you
> will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't
> have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.
>
> There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC
> voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.  If you have one of those
> you could get a reliable reading.  But that is if you have one of those.
>
> All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate
> what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the
> gauge should be  to resistance values.
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the stag:
> Temp C    Temp F    Orig ohms   GTR110 ohms
> 50        122       332         290
> 55        131       275         242
> 60        140       227         197
> 65        149       193         169
> 70        158       158         142
> 75        167       134         120
> 80        176       114         102
> 85        185       99          91
> 90        194       85          77
> 95        203       74          65
> 100       212       60          55
> 105       221       51          48
> 110       230       44          41
> 115       239       37          37
> 120       248       32          31
> 125       257       28          28
> 130       266       24          25
> 135       275       21          22
>
>
> If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them
> in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
> Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
> always reads high
>
> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
> temperature?
>
> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From smithw1 at optonline.net  Sat Aug 15 13:58:55 2020
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:58:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix on a 74 TR6
Message-ID: <8A.7C.29911.38E383F5@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


Robert, I? have a 72 TR6 with a Pertronix but 72's do not have ballast resistors.? Therefore, I'm not positive of what I'm about to say, but it is my recollection that the ballast resistors in the later models are actually in the wire (positive,? I believe) going to the coil.? I'm not sure what? they mean by "in front" of the ballast resistor.....whether that means between the ignition switch and the resistor, or between the resistor and the coilBill Smith'72 TR6?'80 TR7?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From greg at gelhar.com  Sat Aug 15 14:21:13 2020
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 15:21:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaF_Qu+Etqen2wMZ_LRvoQXBvxYzmDTcK4rf9EvUTSTDBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFrkiGy51=LyCEZCoFvBJLmPDP5VecyK_Kt00bMM0cNjw@mail.gmail.com>
 <262561723.1618717.1597432547192@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CANLCLaEn_Q0aTeJXaq=BbTzLrg2ptkD=XH87mbBEGBBpKqExqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1036646263.1854751.1597512925340@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <002f01d67341$a2065200$e612f600$@gelhar.com>

We had a club member who put the BW35 automatic from a Triumph 2000 into a TR4. His readings were similar to yours.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 1:25 PM
To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

 

Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some sanity.  My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.  At around 70 mph the engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers similar

 

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

That could be problematic.  If the Stag gauges work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 volts on the gauge.  But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM regulator.  The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.  And the switching frequency is about one hertz.  The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.  

 

There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.  If you have one of those you could get a reliable reading.  But that is if you have one of those.

 

All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >
To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:Dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the gauge should be  to resistance values.

 

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the stag:

Temp C    Temp F    Orig ohms   GTR110 ohms
50        122       332         290
55        131       275         242
60        140       227         197
65        149       193         169
70        158       158         142
75        167       134         120
80        176       114         102
85        185       99          91
90        194       85          77
95        203       74          65
100       212       60          55
105       221       51          48
110       230       44          41
115       239       37          37
120       248       32          31
125       257       28          28
130       266       24          25
135       275       21          22

 

 

If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high  

 

I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and another forum how to calibrate the gauge.

 

I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with temperature?

 

Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.

 

Regards, Sujit


 

-- 

Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California


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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Aug 15 15:15:05 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 17:15:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix on a 74 TR6
In-Reply-To: <8A.7C.29911.38E383F5@mta4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
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I?m not sure where I am jumping in on this conversation but from our experience on a ?73 TR6, make sure to feed the Pertronix unit with a full 12 volts, not the reduced voltage that you get at the coil. Yes, I also believe that there is part of the feed wire to the coil that acts as the ballast resistor. Feeding the unit ?in front? of the ballast resistor would mean between the resistor and the ignition switch. When you feed the unit the reduced voltage via the resistor, it will start to cause ignition misses after 500 miles or less. Then, when you are on your way to the CT Antique Machinery Show, the car will die completely, requiring you to walk home and tow the car home with your 1952 John Deere 50 tractor. I?m glad that was only a mile and a half walk. By the way, the first time it happened, Pertronix was very helpful, providing a replacement unit under warranty with an analysis of deficient input voltage on the old unit.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 3:59 PM
To: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com
Cc: Triumph List
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix on a 74 TR6

 

 

Robert, I  have a 72 TR6 with a Pertronix but 72's do not have ballast resistors.  Therefore, I'm not positive of what I'm about to say, but it is my recollection that the ballast resistors in the later models are actually in the wire (positive,  I believe) going to the coil.  I'm not sure what  they mean by "in front" of the ballast resistor.....whether that means between the ignition switch and the resistor, or between the resistor and the coil

 

Bill Smith

'72 TR6 

'80 TR7 

 

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Aug 15 15:38:19 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 21:38:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaF_Qu+Etqen2wMZ_LRvoQXBvxYzmDTcK4rf9EvUTSTDBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 OK.? I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and it reads 61 ohms.? If you have spare parts you can connect a wire directly from the battery to one terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the other gauge terminal to the sender on the engine.? With this setup you can measure the voltage across the gauge and/or the sender.? The voltage will be constant and radiometric to the battery voltage.? The gauge reading will be irrelevant since it is calibrated to a 10 volt supply.
Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and sender voltages for all the sensor values in the table.? The battery voltage and gauge resistance are variables so you can enter the actual battery voltage into the field at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalculated for that value of battery voltage and gauge resistance.? 

Hope this helps.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 1:25 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some sanity.? My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.? At around 70 mph the engine speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers similar
On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 That could be problematic.? If the Stag gauges work like those in the TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10 volts on the gauge.? But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM regulator.? The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.? And the switching frequency is about one hertz.? The gauges react slowly enough that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.? 

There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.? If you have one of those you could get a reliable reading.? But that is if you have one of those.
All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the gauge should be? to resistance values.
On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Here are some data for the TR8.? This might be close enough for the stag:
Temp C??? Temp F??? Orig ohms?? GTR110 ohms
50??????? 122?????? 332???????? 290
55??????? 131?????? 275???????? 242
60??????? 140?????? 227???????? 197
65??????? 149?????? 193???????? 169
70??????? 158?????? 158???????? 142
75??????? 167?????? 134???????? 120
80??????? 176?????? 114???????? 102
85??????? 185?????? 99????????? 91
90??????? 194?????? 85????????? 77
95??????? 203?????? 74????????? 65
100?????? 212?????? 60????????? 55
105?????? 221?????? 51????????? 48
110?????? 230?????? 44????????? 41
115?????? 239?????? 37????????? 37
120?????? 248?????? 32????????? 31
125?????? 257?????? 28????????? 28
130?????? 266?????? 24????????? 25
135?????? 275?????? 21????????? 22


If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help

I'm going?to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge always reads high?
I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage?regulator, and another?forum how to calibrate the?gauge.
I'm trying to figure out how to test the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance?changes with temperature?
Since?most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the data for the?Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
Regards, Sujit

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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 15 15:54:27 2020
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 21:54:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix on a 74 TR6
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 Thanks Alex, very helpful
    On Saturday, August 15, 2020, 05:15:06 PM EDT, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:  
 
 
I?m not sure where I am jumping in on this conversation but from our experience on a ?73 TR6, make sure to feed the Pertronix unit with a full 12 volts, not the reduced voltage that you get at the coil. Yes, I also believe that there is part of the feed wire to the coil that acts as the ballast resistor. Feeding the unit ?in front? of the ballast resistor would mean between the resistor and the ignition switch. When you feed the unit the reduced voltage via the resistor, it will start to cause ignition misses after 500 miles or less. Then, when you are on your way to the CT Antique Machinery Show, the car will die completely, requiring you to walk home and tow the car home with your 1952 John Deere 50 tractor. I?m glad that was only a mile and a half walk. By the way, the first time it happened, Pertronix was very helpful, providing a replacement unit under warranty with an analysis of deficient input voltage on the old unit.

 ?

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Smith
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 3:59 PM
To: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com
Cc: Triumph List
Subject: [TR] Installing Pertronix on a 74 TR6

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Robert, I? have a 72 TR6 with a Pertronix but 72's do not have ballast resistors.? Therefore, I'm not positive of what I'm about to say, but it is my recollection that the ballast resistors in the later models are actually in the wire (positive,? I believe) going to the coil.? I'm not sure what? they mean by "in front" of the ballast resistor.....whether that means between the ignition switch and the resistor, or between the resistor and the coil

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'80 TR7?

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Aug 16 07:04:14 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 09:04:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
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Paul:  great to hear from you and know you are well. If ever you decide to re-start the TR3 project, there are a bunch of TR owners on the list who be happy to answer your questions.  Go for it!!

Andrew

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Dorsey
Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2020 2:04 PM
To: Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?

 

Andrew, I know it is me of which you speak.  I was the TR3 upstart asking the fundamental questions.  Randall always answered them in a way that I could understand the answer.  Regardless of the question, he always had a correct answer.  The picture someone posted of him doesn't quite fit the image of him that I created in my head.  I thought of him as a know-it-all (who really did know-it-all) , a grandfather-esque figure for this group.  Can you believe I caught him making a mistake once?  One that I actually got to correct him on, it was something simple like the color of wires or something.  He quickly admitted the error.  Maybe "FT" admitted to me that Randall seemingly knew it all, and I got a kick from talking to them. (ISTR a little friction between these two.  Fred sent me pages of snail mail on types of distributors for my 25D and I actually met him and some other racer legend at Road Atlanta.  Thru this list, I got to correspond with great people like Jack Drews and others, what great guys!  I can't remember the name of the guy who rebuilt my oil pump for me.  The guy who braved frozen temperatures to exactly tell me correct door gaps.  I never took up Randall's offer to help me with my canceling mechanism with my steering wheel- what great guys!  I guess now their up there in the 'great race-track in the sky'.
I don't have the depth that all you guys have.  Randall always
gave out the kind and lengthy (if necessary, answers).  Like an ignorant kid, seems like I boasted about the hardness of brass and I got a stiff reply from someone else (I can't remember who), but, I can't really chalk-up the almost abandoned TR3 project that I started something like 20 years ago to that.  I'm just too timid!
Why just today I got a distributor cap that I ordered from Moss for my project.  (It's the second cap I've had to order for that car and I have never drove it a single mile! Go figure? ).  I live near corrosion acres and for awhile I thought of the rust I had kinda like a fine patina finish, one that I would be proud to one day show off!  Sad to say, but maybe due to age and having a head injury, my license to drive has been taken from me.  However, I still dream, however, of fixing the tr3.  If I ever re-start my project in earnest, you might have to bear with my stupid questions, pretend your Randall! 

 

Paul Dorsey- 60 TR3

 

<< 


It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.  Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.

 

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From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:47:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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On the advice of the late great Randall Young, I tried it once and it worked !

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 7:30 AM
To: fogbro1 at comcast.net; grglmn at gmail.com; staffel at comcast.net
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

 

I've heard of people adding a second compression sleeve (acorn) cut in half to achieve the desired length.  I haven't tried it myself since I got mine to seal up with the standard sleeve but if I had an issue that would have been my next step.

 

Dave 

 

 

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From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net <mailto:fogbro1 at comcast.net> >
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com> >; staffel <staffel at comcast.net <mailto:staffel at comcast.net> >
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 6:01 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.  

 

Ed Woods 

On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Just a couple random thoughts here.  One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.  My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.  You seem somewhat concerned about originality.   

 

Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.  There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years). 

 

Good Luck 

 

Greg Lemon 

TR250 

 

 

 

On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net <mailto:staffel at comcast.net> > wrote: 

 

Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel. 

 

Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home. 

 

Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'. 

 

Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.  

 

A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.  

 

Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.  

 

So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907). 

 

Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent to the mechanical pump. 

 

They would never 'self prime'.  

 

Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.  

 

So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump. 

 

Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds. 

 

Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue. 

 

I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status. 

 

Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.  

 

Sherman D Taffel  

Columbia MD and Goldvein VA  

65 TR4 CT 50054L 

( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA) 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone 

 

 

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug 11 10:48:42 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 16:48:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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 That is likely where I heard it, too.
Let's keep all this good advice in circulation.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; fogbro1 at comcast.net; grglmn at gmail.com; staffel at comcast.net
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Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 7:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod ?I've heard of people adding a second compression sleeve (acorn) cut in half to achieve the desired length.? I haven't tried it myself since I got mine to seal up with the standard sleeve but if I had an issue that would have been my next step. ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
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Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 6:01 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & ModAnd isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.?  ?Ed Woods 
On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  ? ?Just a couple random thoughts here.? One, I could not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.? My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.? You seem somewhat concerned about originality.??  ?Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too hard to fit.? There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).  ?Good Luck  ?Greg Lemon TR250  ? ? ?On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel at comcast.net> wrote: 
 ?Several years ago on an evening? club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a Motel.  ?Next morning, still raining,? the issue was apparent: in the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.? Cleaned the bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home.  ?Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.  ?Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.?  ?A few months later got everything back together.? The engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on fuel feed of the original? curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.?  ?Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph? Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either.?  ?So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and install an electric pump, ala?Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus 907).  ?Well, I installed a couple of? different new electric? pumps? adjacent to the mechanical pump.  ?They would never 'self prime'.?  ?Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel.?  ?So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump? right on the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.  ?Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.  ?Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.  ?I? wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to Roadworthy status.  ?Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.?  ?Sherman D Taffel? Columbia MD and Goldvein VA? 65 TR4 CT 50054L ( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)  ? ?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone  ? ? ?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone  ?** triumphs at autox.team.net ** 

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Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 19:39:44 +0000 (UTC)
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Having just gone through the process of fitting a rebuilt AC Delco pump I found that the leak problem which I had was a mis match of parts supplied by?UK TR specialists. The copper pipe was metric and the brass olives, also metric but slightly different diameter and of course when fitted to the pump leaked fuel.When I had managed to get proper 1/4? brass olives and 1/4? copper pipe I made the outlet connection without any fuel leakage happening.Graham
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Ed is correct, it is the ferrule that does the sealing when it is compressed by the threaded fitting tightening down to the fuel pump housing. The fuel pipe threads into the fuel pump with a 5/16? compression fitting. If replaced, these may be prone to leaking fuel because the original ferrule was .297? to .303? in length whereas most North American ferrules are only .247? to .253? in length. Consequently, the compression fitting often bottoms out before the ferrule is properly compressed. The Roadster Factory sells compression fittings and ferrules that they claim do not have this problem. Also, several years ago, Scott uhring suggested using two ferrules end to end and filed down on the mating surface to get the necessary length.



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 ?

And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.? 

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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 09:22:29 2020
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 11:22:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
In-Reply-To: <000501d673cd$bf0b5850$3d2208f0$@uprichard.net>
References: <CAFU8DPuCxnV4ncJ1b-w1JpFqif_X9wdNQoewaKNoqAaVcdj27w@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks, I will!

On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 9:04 AM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> Paul:  great to hear from you and know you are well. If ever you decide to
> re-start the TR3 project, there are a bunch of TR owners on the list who be
> happy to answer your questions.  Go for it!!
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Dorsey
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 2020 2:04 PM
> *To:* Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
>
>
>
> Andrew, I know it is me of which you speak.  I was the TR3 upstart asking
> the fundamental questions.  Randall always answered them in a way that I
> could understand the answer.  Regardless of the question, he always had a
> correct answer.  The picture someone posted of him doesn't quite fit the
> image of him that I created in my head.  I thought of him as a know-it-all
> (who really did know-it-all) , a grandfather-esque figure for this group.
> Can you believe I caught him making a mistake once?  One that I actually
> got to correct him on, it was something simple like the color of wires or
> something.  He quickly admitted the error.  Maybe "FT" admitted to me that
> Randall seemingly knew it all, and I got a kick from talking to them. (ISTR
> a little friction between these two.  Fred sent me pages of snail mail on
> types of distributors for my 25D and I actually met him and some other
> racer legend at Road Atlanta.  Thru this list, I got to correspond with
> great people like Jack Drews and others, what great guys!  I can't remember
> the name of the guy who rebuilt my oil pump for me.  The guy who braved
> frozen temperatures to exactly tell me correct door gaps.  I never took up
> Randall's offer to help me with my canceling mechanism with my steering
> wheel- what great guys!  I guess now their up there in the 'great
> race-track in the sky'.
> I don't have the depth that all you guys have.  Randall always
> gave out the kind and lengthy (if necessary, answers).  Like an ignorant
> kid, seems like I boasted about the hardness of brass and I got a stiff
> reply from someone else (I can't remember who), but, I can't really
> chalk-up the almost abandoned TR3 project that I started something like 20
> years ago to that.  I'm just too timid!
> Why just today I got a distributor cap that I ordered from Moss for my
> project.  (It's the second cap I've had to order for that car and I have
> never drove it a single mile! Go figure? ).  I live near corrosion acres
> and for awhile I thought of the rust I had kinda like a fine patina finish,
> one that I would be proud to one day show off!  Sad to say, but maybe due
> to age and having a head injury, my license to drive has been taken from
> me.  However, I still dream, however, of fixing the tr3.  If I ever
> re-start my project in earnest, you might have to bear with my stupid
> questions, pretend your Randall!
>
>
>
> Paul Dorsey- 60 TR3
>
>
>
> <<
>
>
> It made me think (again) about Randall.  If anyone had the credentials to
> be arrogant or condescending, he did.  He knew more about these cars than
> most of us collectively ever will.  Yet he was always kind and sincere.
> Some of you may remember the individual a few years ago who was trying to
> restore a TR3 and asked the most fundamental of questions:  Randall was
> consistently patient and helpful while I am sure some of us rolled our eyes.
>
>
>
> Maybe people are trying to assume Randall?s mantle as the TR guru.  Well,
> it isn?t goin
>
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 16 13:59:55 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 19:59:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit
References: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900@mail.yahoo.com>

Well, I can't offer tips on working on the car, but I thought I'd share the sign on my exit off of I-95.
Ann1960 TR3A1965 Daimler V-8, 2.5L2012 Jaguar XF


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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Aug 16 14:18:16 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 16:18:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit
In-Reply-To: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <057601d6740a$601d3470$20579d50$@bell.net>

Sure makes it easy to find your way home. However, if any listers end up in your neighbourhood, don?t be surprised if we show up on your doorstep. ?

 

Keith

 

From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com> 
Sent: August 16, 2020 4:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit

 

Well, I can't offer tips on working on the car, but I thought I'd share the sign on my exit off of I-95.

 

Ann

1960 TR3A

1965 Daimler V-8, 2.5L

2012 Jaguar XF

 

 

 

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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 16 14:20:20 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 20:20:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit
In-Reply-To: <057601d6740a$601d3470$20579d50$@bell.net>
References: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <057601d6740a$601d3470$20579d50$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <451036084.2097896.1597609220493@mail.yahoo.com>

 All listers are always welcome!? Reach out if your in the 'hood!
    On Sunday, August 16, 2020, 04:18:16 PM EDT, <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:  
 
 
Sure makes it easy to find your way home. However, if any listers end up in your neighbourhood, don?t be surprised if we show up on your doorstep. ?

 ?

Keith

 ?

From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com> 
Sent: August 16, 2020 4:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit

 ?

Well, I can't offer tips on working on the car, but I thought I'd share the sign on my exit off of I-95.

 ?

Ann

1960 TR3A

1965 Daimler V-8, 2.5L

2012 Jaguar XF

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From greg at gregoryd.com  Sun Aug 16 16:27:10 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:27:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit
In-Reply-To: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <325547959.2092677.1597607996900.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <FE7A160D-54C1-4FAA-A8EA-CF463BEFE1A5@gregoryd.com>

Ahh? Beautiful Ft. Lee.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 4:06 PM
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit

 

Well, I can't offer tips on working on the car, but I thought I'd share the sign on my exit off of I-95.

 

Ann

1960 TR3A

1965 Daimler V-8, 2.5L

2012 Jaguar XF

 

 

 

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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 16 16:39:44 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (anncarletta)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:39:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit
In-Reply-To: <FE7A160D-54C1-4FAA-A8EA-CF463BEFE1A5@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.55.1597617599.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>


That's right.? Always wanted to get a photo with the car passing it, hut but it's in a difficult place to pull it off.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> Date: 8/16/20  6:27 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] The "TR 3" exit Ahh? Beautiful Ft. Lee.?From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>Date: Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 4:06 PMTo: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>Subject: [TR] The "TR 3" exit?Well, I can't offer tips on working on the car, but I thought I'd share the sign on my exit off of I-95.?Ann1960 TR3A1965 Daimler V-8, 2.5L2012 Jaguar XF???** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg at gregoryd.com 
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 19:48:01 2020
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:48:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwg0UUp5PA3NrrD14bfktDCV2M5VZemD+hJz-1oPQvG8VA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFU8DPv0v_oAfbBdZp1EDEKSaMDO_mxiypR+=dFtwmqXpFfUkg@mail.gmail.com>

I created a bookmark button named 'Randall' that takes me to the RedRiver
Texas site.
What a fitting tribute.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 5:00 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> It's currently 96 degrees here in southern Maine.
> With the humidity, it says the RealFeel is 106 degrees!
> Not my favorite weather....
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:21 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>
>> On 7/27/20 2:01 PM, dave wrote:
>> > The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North
>> Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives
>> and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we
>> are in the process of switching hosting companies.
>> >
>>
>> Nice!  All along while considering putting it on Team Net was the
>> thought of just how long it would be there?  I'm a year or so older than
>> Randall, somewhat diabetic, and with my job I could get flattened by a
>> semitruck on the Interstate or run over by a train any day now.  Or I
>> could remain unaffected by health issues and still be doing Team Net for
>> another 30 years, who knows?
>>
>> So I'll quit worrying about losing priceless info, take a nap and then
>> worry about my broken sprinkler system after it cools off enough to be
>> outside without fainting from the heat.
>>
>> mjb.
>>
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From will.daehler at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 20:27:45 2020
From: will.daehler at gmail.com (Will Daehler)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 21:27:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] 4a3 a great
Message-ID: <CA+bCZ+R7Ng=+_r2WDzCu0dg4yMVbvUV3B9YpDZvBY_QeKCGg5g@mail.gmail.com>

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From staffel at comcast.net  Sun Aug 16 22:12:55 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 00:12:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 elec fuel pump mod- status
Message-ID: <mailman.56.1597637607.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>


First, I want to thank everyone who shared their experiences with the fuel line to pump input connection 'challenges'!2nd, Again I want to thank Albert at TRF for sharing they now have a dependable supplier in Italy.3rd- My thinking was that since the original curved steel pipe, make brass nut and compression fitting was all ' undamaged. That my sealing issue was because the pumps female threads were not properly manufactured, so the brass fitting & 'acorn fitting' just couldn't be properly 'compression-ed'. I tried to upload a pic, but it was 'Scrubbed'.?So let's put all this behind us.I think it was Greg who stayed "You seem to be concerned about originality".Greg, in a way yes. I want my mod to electric pump not to be obviously 'Unauthentic' as? Jaguar JCNA Concours judging guides express.??I wanted to retain the original copper fuel line ( as opposed to just running a perfectly safe & functional new (hose) fuel line.?So I removed the copper line and made a 90 deg bend down, just behind the water pump to thermostat 'Made in England ' coolant hose and down and back just under the original hydraulic brake line to meet the new electric pump and glass filter? which meets the original tank to engine Bay steel fuel line . So I am mounting the electric pump right on the top of the Frame.??What will be/is seen, is the copper fuel line running up the left front side of the engine block, just in front of the oil dipstick, and behind the 'water tube's that runs back along the cylinder head / block joint line? ( back & across to the heater valve). The fuel line now? bends 90 deg forward & around in it's original location to the carburetor feed pipes T .?Instead of the copper fuel line coming up in the back ( from the mechanical pump, and forward along the cylinder head / block joint, it just comes up at the front of the engine ahead of plug#1.To me it made no sense to loop back extra fuel hose to keep the 'up' at the rear. Cleans up that area for easier access to the oil gauge line junction and the clutch hydraulic line junction down by the frame.? I am blanking off the original fuel pump block opening, keeping the studs for the blanking plate and the clamp that holds the oil line to the gauge.Now I have several vehicles with AC fuel pumps: my 36 Packard 120B 2 dt touring coupe ( 1 of 5 left of 4,000). It's a straight 8 and that fuel pump also incorporates a vacuum pump for the windscreen wipers ( no less).My 5 Dodges: 56 Coronet 270 Poly V8;? 61 Lancer wagon, , 63 Dodge Dart GT convert, 65 a100 pickup ( all Slant 6s) & my 63 Chrysler Imperial 413 and my 78 Rockwell Commander 112TC all used dependable Mechanical pumps ( although the Aircraft has an electric primer & booster pump as a safety factor).But I figured given the nightmare I went thru for several years with the bad threads, & to expedite future ease of exam & service, just put in an electric pump. I may one day get another mechanical pump, but for nowI made the decision to go electric, put the pump visible to me &? accessible in the approximate locale of the original pump.That's my story.?I was very active on this list for many years, then was a lurker as my vehicular interests varied, but Understanding the need to keep this community 'in good health' I choosing to share more fre6on my Triumph projects.Currently helping a couple club member's son restore an early TR4 and another members two TR6s. They both have been IMHO 'ripped off' by greedy British repair shops, doing shoddy work IMHO, making unnecessary repairs and ignoring basic linkage security & carburator /vacuum lines leaks, maybe intentionallySherman?-BTW, the 56 Dodge cross ram manifold runs a 2 barrel Stromberg carb. The 35-36 Packards used 2 brrl Stromberg & Carter carbs with different jetting. Sound familiar to the piston needle choices on our Stromberg Carbs. Not new Technology.? One day I'll share some distributor design stories.?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 23:51:33 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 22:51:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] Trying to identify fittings for oil pressure gauge.
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHwwg7LpE_Jc2rq+AmQW3eVJq0APp6746Tj6jAnT3L_dQ@mail.gmail.com>

Years back when I got my Stag, the PO installed an oil pressure gauge. They
had removed the oil pressure sensor. I went to a junkyard and got a tee
from an MGB. (item no. 1 from left in photo)  I then went to
a hydraulic line shop and they made me a steel braided hydraulic line
which I could plumb in. I'm not sure what the fittings on the ends are, but
they gave me some adapters for the ends. (Item no. 4 from left in photo)
One end of the adapter threads into the hydraulic line, and the other in an
NPT. The other adapter which came with the hydraulic line threads into the
tee. The male threads on the tee are not NPT. The photo next to the tee
went in the engine block of an MGB. The other end of this thing is not NPT
either.  Would anyone have a clue what the thread could be on the MGB tee?

The following may also give a clue. I bought a smiths oil pressure gauge. A
pipe was included in the kit with some adapters. (The adapter is the third
item to the left) The end of this supplied pipe will thread directly into
the Tee of the MGB and the other end, threads onto the gauge. In the kit
came an adapter which can change one of the ends of this pipe to an NPT
thread.

Now here is the other problem. I'm trying to identify the threads on either
end of the hydraulic lines.
Maybe another clue.
I have from a fellow Triumph owner been given a custom made hydraulic line
by TS Imports for  TR6 oil pressure gauge. This line also came with
adapters on either end to change from whatever thread to NPT.
Can someone please tell me what threads hydraulic lines use?  This TS
Import hydraulic line uses the same thread as my custom hydraulic line. Do
hydraulic lines use a standard thread? If so, what is it?

What I'm trying to ultimately do is join the hydraulic line directly to the
pipe supplied with the oil pressure gauge and do away with this MGB Tee.


[image: 20200816_202929.jpg]


Regards, Sujit


-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From greg at gelhar.com  Mon Aug 17 15:09:10 2020
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 16:09:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Trying to identify fittings for oil pressure gauge.
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHwwg7LpE_Jc2rq+AmQW3eVJq0APp6746Tj6jAnT3L_dQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaHwwg7LpE_Jc2rq+AmQW3eVJq0APp6746Tj6jAnT3L_dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Not certain at all, but look up British Standard Parallel Pipe (BSPP). See if the specs match what you have. I know Triumph used those on the early fuel pipes.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2020 12:52 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Trying to identify fittings for oil pressure gauge.

 

Years back when I got my Stag, the PO installed an oil pressure gauge. They had removed the oil pressure sensor. I went to a junkyard and got a tee from an MGB. (item no. 1 from left in photo)  I then went to a hydraulic line shop and they made me a steel braided hydraulic line which I could plumb in. I'm not sure what the fittings on the ends are, but they gave me some adapters for the ends. (Item no. 4 from left in photo)  One end of the adapter threads into the hydraulic line, and the other in an NPT. The other adapter which came with the hydraulic line threads into the tee. The male threads on the tee are not NPT. The photo next to the tee went in the engine block of an MGB. The other end of this thing is not NPT either.  Would anyone have a clue what the thread could be on the MGB tee?

 

The following may also give a clue. I bought a smiths oil pressure gauge. A pipe was included in the kit with some adapters. (The adapter is the third item to the left) The end of this supplied pipe will thread directly into the Tee of the MGB and the other end, threads onto the gauge. In the kit came an adapter which can change one of the ends of this pipe to an NPT thread.

 

Now here is the other problem. I'm trying to identify the threads on either end of the hydraulic lines.

Maybe another clue.

I have from a fellow Triumph owner been given a custom made hydraulic line by TS Imports for  TR6 oil pressure gauge. This line also came with adapters on either end to change from whatever thread to NPT. 

Can someone please tell me what threads hydraulic lines use?  This TS Import hydraulic line uses the same thread as my custom hydraulic line. Do hydraulic lines use a standard thread? If so, what is it?

 

What I'm trying to ultimately do is join the hydraulic line directly to the pipe supplied with the oil pressure gauge and do away with this MGB Tee. 

 

 



 

 

Regards, Sujit




 

-- 

Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California


https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 17:06:14 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 16:06:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] Trying to identify fittings for oil pressure gauge.
In-Reply-To: <000001d674da$a8957cf0$f9c076d0$@gelhar.com>
References: <CANLCLaHwwg7LpE_Jc2rq+AmQW3eVJq0APp6746Tj6jAnT3L_dQ@mail.gmail.com>
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thanks . Sujit

On Mon, Aug 17, 2020 at 2:09 PM Greg Gelhar <greg at gelhar.com> wrote:

> Not certain at all, but look up British Standard Parallel Pipe (BSPP). See
> if the specs match what you have. I know Triumph used those on the early
> fuel pipes.
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2020 12:52 AM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Trying to identify fittings for oil pressure gauge.
>
>
>
> Years back when I got my Stag, the PO installed an oil pressure gauge.
> They had removed the oil pressure sensor. I went to a junkyard and got a
> tee from an MGB. (item no. 1 from left in photo)  I then went to
> a hydraulic line shop and they made me a steel braided hydraulic line
> which I could plumb in. I'm not sure what the fittings on the ends are, but
> they gave me some adapters for the ends. (Item no. 4 from left in photo)
> One end of the adapter threads into the hydraulic line, and the other in an
> NPT. The other adapter which came with the hydraulic line threads into the
> tee. The male threads on the tee are not NPT. The photo next to the tee
> went in the engine block of an MGB. The other end of this thing is not NPT
> either.  Would anyone have a clue what the thread could be on the MGB tee?
>
>
>
> The following may also give a clue. I bought a smiths oil pressure gauge.
> A pipe was included in the kit with some adapters. (The adapter is the
> third item to the left) The end of this supplied pipe will thread directly
> into the Tee of the MGB and the other end, threads onto the gauge. In the
> kit came an adapter which can change one of the ends of this pipe to an NPT
> thread.
>
>
>
> Now here is the other problem. I'm trying to identify the threads on
> either end of the hydraulic lines.
>
> Maybe another clue.
>
> I have from a fellow Triumph owner been given a custom made hydraulic line
> by TS Imports for  TR6 oil pressure gauge. This line also came with
> adapters on either end to change from whatever thread to NPT.
>
> Can someone please tell me what threads hydraulic lines use?  This TS
> Import hydraulic line uses the same thread as my custom hydraulic line. Do
> hydraulic lines use a standard thread? If so, what is it?
>
>
>
> What I'm trying to ultimately do is join the hydraulic line directly to
> the pipe supplied with the oil pressure gauge and do away with this MGB
> Tee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 19:35:12 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 20:35:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
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On Sun, Aug 16, 2020, 8:04 AM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> Paul:  great to hear from you and know you are well. If ever you decide to
> re-start the TR3 project, there are a bunch of TR owners on the list who be
> happy to answer your questions.  Go for it!!
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Dorsey
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 2020 2:04 PM
> *To:* Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] In some ways, Pretend your Randall?
>
>
>
Late to this topic, Pretend your Randall- My suggestion, fix your car and
drive it.  Never saw Randall's cars in person, but I got the distinct
impression he worried more about how his car ran than how it looked, and he
enjoyed his cars and drove the hell out of them.

I drove my TR250 to work yesterday, we have been blessed with beautiful
weather lately, cooler and less humid than our usual August.  Pretend you
are Randall, fix your car, drive it until it breaks, repeat. Somewhere out
there Randall will be smiling, and you will be too.

Greg Lemon
TR250

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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Wed Aug 19 21:00:42 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:00:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] Kastner cup 2020
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A lot of great coverage of the Kastner Cup in Mid-Ohio in the VTR magazine that arrived today. If you want to see the action from inside the cars, there is a video in ?Classic Motor Films? on You tube, You can see it here:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb8_izXOPos 

 

My apologies if this is old news and everyone has seen it already.

 

Bob

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 14:55:15 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:55:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
In-Reply-To: <598001331.1026389.1597527499407@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi David,
Thanks, Somehow I missed this email and  now I can't find my bloody thermal
transmitter temperature sender which I removed from Stag no.2 to use as a
bench setup.
I finally decided to buy a variable power supply with a current limiting
option. Up to this point I've been using 12 volt bricks which power small
appliances like phone etc.

I'll keep you updated on my findings.

Regards, Sujit

On Sat, Aug 15, 2020 at 2:38 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> OK.  I measured late model TR6 temp gauge and it reads 61 ohms.  If you
> have spare parts you can connect a wire directly from the battery to one
> terminal on the gauge, run a wire from the other gauge terminal to the
> sender on the engine.  With this setup you can measure the voltage across
> the gauge and/or the sender.  The voltage will be constant and radiometric
> to the battery voltage.  The gauge reading will be irrelevant since it is
> calibrated to a 10 volt supply.
>
> Attached is a spreadsheet calculating the gauge and sender voltages for
> all the sensor values in the table.  The battery voltage and gauge
> resistance are variables so you can enter the actual battery voltage into
> the field at the gauge and sensor voltages will be recalculated for that
> value of battery voltage and gauge resistance.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 1:25 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> Thanks. I have spare parts and I plan to create a setup on a bench. I have
> some documents on how to check the gauge and voltage stabilizer and noe
> some resistance no. If my set up models that of my stag. I will have some
> sanity.  My stag has a 3 speed BW35. Box.  At around 70 mph the engine
> speed is close to 4k rpm. Did the tr7 use a bw35. If so are these numbers
> similar
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2020, 10:35 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> That could be problematic.  If the Stag gauges work like those in the
> TR4-6 there is a voltage stabilizer that maintains a constant average 10
> volts on the gauge.  But the original stabilizer is an early form of a PWM
> regulator.  The contacts will alternately apply full battery volts and zero
> on a proportional basis such that the average is 10 volts.  And the
> switching frequency is about one hertz.  The gauges react slowly enough
> that they average it out just fine but if you put a voltmeter on it you
> will see the voltage switching on and off fast enough that your meter won't
> have time to settle out and give a meaningful reading.
>
> There are after-market stabilizers available that use a solid-state IC
> voltage regulator providing a constant 10 volts.  If you have one of those
> you could get a reliable reading.  But that is if you have one of those.
>
> All that said, if I had a resistance value for the gauge I could calculate
> what you would get if an IC stabilizer was installed.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: DAVID MASSEY <Dave1massey at cs.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Aug 15, 2020 11:30 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> Follow up question. Does anyone have data showing what the voltage at the
> gauge should be  to resistance values.
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020, 12:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> Here are some data for the TR8.  This might be close enough for the stag:
> Temp C    Temp F    Orig ohms   GTR110 ohms
> 50        122       332         290
> 55        131       275         242
> 60        140       227         197
> 65        149       193         169
> 70        158       158         142
> 75        167       134         120
> 80        176       114         102
> 85        185       99          91
> 90        194       85          77
> 95        203       74          65
> 100       212       60          55
> 105       221       51          48
> 110       230       44          41
> 115       239       37          37
> 120       248       32          31
> 125       257       28          28
> 130       266       24          25
> 135       275       21          22
>
>
> If you have a source of resistors in this value range you can connect them
> in lieu of the sensor and check the reading to see if it is close.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 14, 2020 11:31 am
> Subject: [TR] Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender help
>
> I'm going to try and figure out if my Stag is running hot. The gauge
> always reads high
>
> I found a note on another forum on how to test the voltage regulator, and
> another forum how to calibrate the gauge.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to test the Thermal Transmitter Temperature
> Sender. Does anyone have any data on how the resistance changes with
> temperature?
>
> Since most Triumph around the 70's used Smith gauges, I'm assuming the
> data for the  Thermal Transmitter Temperature Sender would be the same.
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:04:45 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:04:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE0nNTeeDCHSt5yqLbQSXp9ctQnt61mRD_Z=UKdM=6Dfg@mail.gmail.com>

It's often said, if your fuel gauge and temperature gauge are reading high,
check your voltage stabilizer.
So, I have this Triumph service document from 1966 or near enough on how to
test if a voltage stabilizer if OK. I know the output should be 10volts.
The doc. also tests a method on how to check it with a 2.2w bulb. (The bulb
should blink)
However, If something is wrong with it, what should I expect besides the
output voltage being zero because it is dead?

Thx in advance. Sujit

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 21 06:44:41 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:44:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question
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 The most common failure mode is where the output is constant and the bulb stays lit all the time.? This will give you high readings.? If the output is zero your gauges will both read zero.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question

It's often said, if your fuel gauge and temperature gauge are reading high, check your voltage stabilizer.?So, I have this Triumph service document from 1966 or near enough on how to test if a voltage stabilizer if OK. I know the output?should be 10volts. The doc. also tests a method on how to check it with a 2.2w bulb. (The bulb should blink)?However, If something is wrong with it, what should?I expect besides the output voltage being zero because it is dead?
Thx in advance. Sujit
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 10:25:04 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:25:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question
In-Reply-To: <535241383.4097985.1598013881210@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaE0nNTeeDCHSt5yqLbQSXp9ctQnt61mRD_Z=UKdM=6Dfg@mail.gmail.com>
 <535241383.4097985.1598013881210@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks,
That 30 sec. I mentioned was incorrect. It stays on for about 30 sec and
then blinks. If anyone wants the TSB, it is attached. With this TSB it's
comparing one reference to another known reference.
I did some experiments yesterday. Tying to measure 10 volts is not as
straightforward with a digital meter. I think I need to create a voltage
divider network and measure that way.
>From another forum post I found from Randall Yong and some other guy, you
really don't want to drive more than 8 or 9 volts directly to a gauge. The
needle goes off the top of the scale.

I have some time with shelter in place and am more curious to get my gauges
to read right.

Sujit


On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:44 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> The most common failure mode is where the output is constant and the bulb
> stays lit all the time.  This will give you high readings.  If the output
> is zero your gauges will both read zero.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm
> Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question
>
> It's often said, if your fuel gauge and temperature gauge are reading
> high, check your voltage stabilizer.
> So, I have this Triumph service document from 1966 or near enough on how
> to test if a voltage stabilizer if OK. I know the output should be 10volts.
> The doc. also tests a method on how to check it with a 2.2w bulb. (The bulb
> should blink)
> However, If something is wrong with it, what should I expect besides the
> output voltage being zero because it is dead?
>
> Thx in advance. Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 10:28:55 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:28:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] Gauge calibration
Message-ID: <CANLCLaF9TWE1z2q1mghTbUyYFc08_0O7zd_1qrrE29_0JU8OCg@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you who have made adjustments to your Smiths' temp and fuel
gauge, do you recall which adjustment  on the back adjusts low end and
upper end?
The original posting I used is here.

My fuel gauge is reading too high at the lower scale end.



https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/triumph-odds-and-ends-forum.9/ping-tonyfixit-and-randall-y-gauge.1649043/


Sujit

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 21 12:15:35 2020
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:15:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Gauge calibration
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaF9TWE1z2q1mghTbUyYFc08_0O7zd_1qrrE29_0JU8OCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaF9TWE1z2q1mghTbUyYFc08_0O7zd_1qrrE29_0JU8OCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR10MB2776173A56C99E5E871F0968BE5B0@BYAPR10MB2776.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

The adjustment for the low end is behind the low needle reading. High end is behind the high needle reading. I've attached a document I put together describing how I did it. As you've already discovered, the fuel and temp gauges are identical except for the faces.

Joel...


________________________________
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 9:28 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Gauge calibration

For those of you who have made adjustments to your Smiths' temp and fuel gauge, do you recall which adjustment  on the back adjusts low end and upper end?
The original posting I used is here.

My fuel gauge is reading too high at the lower scale end.



https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/triumph-odds-and-ends-forum.9/ping-tonyfixit-and-randall-y-gauge.1649043/

Sujit

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 21 13:51:10 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:51:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question
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References: <CANLCLaE0nNTeeDCHSt5yqLbQSXp9ctQnt61mRD_Z=UKdM=6Dfg@mail.gmail.com>
 <535241383.4097985.1598013881210@mail.yahoo.com>
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 Many industrial DVM's will work for this.? The Fluke 70-series (I'm dating myself) have a capture feature that will capture the MIN,MAX and AVE value of a signal.? you will have to leave it on for a while or at least let the stabilizer settle before starting the capture and leave it run for half a minute.
But if a bulb flashes the stabilizer is probably good.? If the bulb stays on full time it isn't.? Probably a bad internal ground.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 21, 2020 11:25 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question

Thanks,That 30 sec. I mentioned?was incorrect. It stays on for about 30 sec and then blinks. If anyone wants the TSB, it is attached. With this TSB it's comparing one reference to another known reference.?
I did some experiments yesterday. Tying to measure 10 volts is not as straightforward with a digital meter. I think I need to create a voltage divider network and measure that way.From another forum post I found from Randall Yong and some other guy, you really don't?want to drive?more than 8 or 9 volts directly to a gauge. The needle goes off the top of the scale.
I have some time with shelter in place and am more curious to get my gauges to read right.?
Sujit

On Fri, Aug 21, 2020 at 5:44 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 The most common failure mode is where the output is constant and the bulb stays lit all the time.? This will give you high readings.? If the output is zero your gauges will both read zero.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2020 4:04 pm
Subject: [TR] Voltage stabilizer question

It's often said, if your fuel gauge and temperature gauge are reading high, check your voltage stabilizer.?So, I have this Triumph service document from 1966 or near enough on how to test if a voltage stabilizer if OK. I know the output?should be 10volts. The doc. also tests a method on how to check it with a 2.2w bulb. (The bulb should blink)?However, If something is wrong with it, what should?I expect besides the output voltage being zero because it is dead?
Thx in advance. Sujit
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sat Aug 22 12:15:42 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:15:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR7/8 Seat Rebuilding Video
References: <41bfc4a4-b938-2e72-e0fa-887162f09434.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <41bfc4a4-b938-2e72-e0fa-887162f09434@att.net>

I recently rebuilt my TR8 Seats with kits from Rimmer Brother's and made 
a video of the process.? It is on YouTube. Here is a link if you are 
interested.


https://youtu.be/ACB0mZ1-gZY

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 18:30:10 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:30:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Lucas backup light install
Message-ID: <0305A0BC-803D-4D07-985F-463037040AFF@gmail.com>

Anyone have pictures on where a TR4 reverse light would be installed as accessory?  Any info. Would be greatly appreciated.  I have a switch in tranny wired back to passenger bumper area. How to mount etc.   need help please.  Up in Gettysburg PA today and won an AACA Grand National 1st place with my 62 TR4.  Ready for TRAwhen we get back in business again,  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 tr3
62 Tr4
67 Tr4a
75 Tr6
81 tr8
Yes I have a a TR problem


From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 19:00:11 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:00:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Lucas backup light install
In-Reply-To: <0305A0BC-803D-4D07-985F-463037040AFF@gmail.com>
References: <0305A0BC-803D-4D07-985F-463037040AFF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjWr8DdtxQ8t+a-hfqpknXTvXNu5bmHUuKfss6NX53vJw@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! Congrats on the win, Jim! That's great!

Dave

On Sat, Aug 22, 2020, 8:30 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone have pictures on where a TR4 reverse light would be installed as
> accessory?  Any info. Would be greatly appreciated.  I have a switch in
> tranny wired back to passenger bumper area. How to mount etc.   need help
> please.  Up in Gettysburg PA today and won an AACA Grand National 1st place
> with my 62 TR4.  Ready for TRAwhen we get back in business again,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
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> 62 Tr4
> 67 Tr4a
> 75 Tr6
> 81 tr8
> Yes I have a a TR problem
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Aug 22 20:41:22 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 19:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Lucas backup light install
In-Reply-To: <0305A0BC-803D-4D07-985F-463037040AFF@gmail.com>
References: <0305A0BC-803D-4D07-985F-463037040AFF@gmail.com>
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That is fantastic news about your win.  You must be building fantastic cars.  Bravo! Congratulations!  What was your top speed?  He he he.  Send a photo.  I want to see this one.
Dave H.

> On 08/22/2020 5:30 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Anyone have pictures on where a TR4 reverse light would be installed as accessory?  Any info. Would be greatly appreciated.  I have a switch in tranny wired back to passenger bumper area. How to mount etc.   need help please.  Up in Gettysburg PA today and won an AACA Grand National 1st place with my 62 TR4.  Ready for TRAwhen we get back in business again,  
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 tr3
> 62 Tr4
> 67 Tr4a
> 75 Tr6
> 81 tr8
> Yes I have a a TR problem
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 23:08:40 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 00:08:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
References: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>

Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.  True?

Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 23:54:04 2020
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 01:54:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>
References: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5.ref@yahoo.com>
 <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAONC1_4ivhpP8NNjhdxpN0DZC6ABWXdyiYKH7HPS9p43J59Urw@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

While I hope that is not true, the website states
We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.

Wishing the best for the company and employees.

Thanks,
Larry Griffin
71 TR6

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.  True?
>
> Bill B
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Aug 23 07:01:00 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:01:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <CAONC1_4ivhpP8NNjhdxpN0DZC6ABWXdyiYKH7HPS9p43J59Urw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5.ref@yahoo.com>
 <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>
 <CAONC1_4ivhpP8NNjhdxpN0DZC6ABWXdyiYKH7HPS9p43J59Urw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62ea7fcb-c43f-af36-5084-ff09285a0028@verizon.net>

covid closed ..... enough people there to deal with orders

ptegler

On 8/23/2020 1:54 AM, Larry Griffin wrote:
> Bill,
>
> While I hope that is not true, the website states
> We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.
>
> Wishing the best for the company and employees.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Griffin
> 71 TR6
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.
>     True?
>
>     Bill B
>
>     #dontkillgrandma
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Aug 23 10:11:16 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:11:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <62ea7fcb-c43f-af36-5084-ff09285a0028@verizon.net>
References: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5.ref@yahoo.com>
 <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>
 <CAONC1_4ivhpP8NNjhdxpN0DZC6ABWXdyiYKH7HPS9p43J59Urw@mail.gmail.com>
 <62ea7fcb-c43f-af36-5084-ff09285a0028@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <89a4165f-6694-b0e4-2e32-ee825e5301bc@rmi.net>

They keep denying they are getting out of the British Car business, 
though it has been harder to get much support for local car shows.

If they do close Victoria British, I suspect most of their employees 
would be okay and be transferred the truck division: 
https://www.lmctruck.com/.

Roger

On 8/23/20 8:01 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> covid closed ..... enough people there to deal with orders
>
> ptegler
>
> On 8/23/2020 1:54 AM, Larry Griffin wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>> While I hope that is not true, the website states
>> We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.
>>
>> Wishing the best for the company and employees.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Larry Griffin
>> 71 TR6
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com 
>> <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing
>>     up.? True?
>>
>>     Bill B
>>
>>     #dontkillgrandma
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 11:06:42 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:06:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <89a4165f-6694-b0e4-2e32-ee825e5301bc@rmi.net>
References: <89a4165f-6694-b0e4-2e32-ee825e5301bc@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <F58AA071-0395-4D05-9923-DF382E5A6D3F@yahoo.com>

Did not know about LMC, thanks for the tip!
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

?
They keep denying they are getting out of the British Car business, though it has been harder to get much support for local car shows.  

If they do close Victoria British, I suspect most of their employees would be okay and be transferred the truck division:  https://www.lmctruck.com/.

Roger

> On 8/23/20 8:01 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
> covid closed ..... enough people there to deal with orders
> 
> ptegler
> 
> On 8/23/2020 1:54 AM, Larry Griffin wrote:
>> Bill,
>> 
>> While I hope that is not true, the website states 
>> We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.
>> 
>> Wishing the best for the company and employees.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Larry Griffin
>> 71 TR6  
>> 
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.  True?
>>> 
>>> Bill B
>>> 
>>> #dontkillgrandma
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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Sun Aug 23 11:14:20 2020
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:14:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <F58AA071-0395-4D05-9923-DF382E5A6D3F@yahoo.com>
References: <F58AA071-0395-4D05-9923-DF382E5A6D3F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DC805073-52D1-4499-AF3E-EA4662B52B23@cox.net>

Keep in mind if they close that division, if TRF doesn?t survive our options become small 

Ronnie

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 1:07 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Did not know about LMC, thanks for the tip!
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> They keep denying they are getting out of the British Car business, though it has been harder to get much support for local car shows.  
> 
> If they do close Victoria British, I suspect most of their employees would be okay and be transferred the truck division:  https://www.lmctruck.com/.
> 
> Roger
> 
> On 8/23/20 8:01 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>> covid closed ..... enough people there to deal with orders
>> 
>> ptegler
>> 
>> On 8/23/2020 1:54 AM, Larry Griffin wrote:
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> While I hope that is not true, the website states 
>>> We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.
>>> 
>>> Wishing the best for the company and employees.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Larry Griffin
>>> 71 TR6  
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.  True?
>>>> 
>>>> Bill B
>>>> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 11:22:10 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 12:22:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Victoria British
In-Reply-To: <89a4165f-6694-b0e4-2e32-ee825e5301bc@rmi.net>
References: <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5.ref@yahoo.com>
 <90980BB9-659A-48BC-AE3B-694562EF77B5@yahoo.com>
 <CAONC1_4ivhpP8NNjhdxpN0DZC6ABWXdyiYKH7HPS9p43J59Urw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <89a4165f-6694-b0e4-2e32-ee825e5301bc@rmi.net>
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Although I don't have hard numbers, I am thinking the MG/Triumph/Healey
business has to stark shrinking sometime.  The number of cars out there to
be restored is shrinking as the cars get restored/parted out/scrapped.  The
number of people interested and able to work on and drive them isn't
getting any younger.  As I have said a few times, at 59, I can count the
members in my 150 or so member British car club younger than me on one hand.

I hope VB does not go away, they are in my backyard relative to Miss and
TRF.  At one time I could order parts from them in the morning and get them
the next day, vs. a working week for Moss or TRF, quite a difference when
you are in the middle of a project.  Unfortunately, either VB or their
shippers have gotten a bit slower the last few years.

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 11:11 AM Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

> They keep denying they are getting out of the British Car business, though
> it has been harder to get much support for local car shows.
>
> If they do close Victoria British, I suspect most of their employees would
> be okay and be transferred the truck division:  https://www.lmctruck.com/.
>
> Roger
> On 8/23/20 8:01 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> covid closed ..... enough people there to deal with orders
>
> ptegler
> On 8/23/2020 1:54 AM, Larry Griffin wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> While I hope that is not true, the website states
> We are not allowing the purchase of backordered parts at this time.
>
> Wishing the best for the company and employees.
>
> Thanks,
> Larry Griffin
> 71 TR6
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 1:09 AM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Heard a rumor today at a car show that Vickie Brit was closing up.  True?
>>
>> Bill B
>>
>> #dontkillgrandma
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From staffel at comcast.net  Sun Aug 23 12:43:12 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 14:43:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Reverse light mounting
Message-ID: <mailman.61.1598208236.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>


Hi Jim! Congrats on the AACA win. Years ago (98-2000) when I fully restored my TR4. I Left off the bumpers and added Racing lights up front. Without the front bumpers you see the lower front fender sculpture (ala 60 Mopars), but without the rear bumpers & overrides where the license plate illumination lights were factory mounted. Without those vertical overrides, I needed a place to mount a license plate illumination light. I used a TR3 light, fabricated a bracket, and mounted it to my rear license plate. Just a suggestion!Sherman D Taffel?65 TR4 CT50054L?Columbia MDSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 13:36:29 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 15:36:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Gasket
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwiQ2vVGVTXts4kZPy9dPLmGBGwVVMT5_54rCURsHyj7ag@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all ~

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a silicone oil pan gasket
for a TR? My TR3 could sure use one -- I'm tired of fussing with
hammering-out dimples and such from overtightened bolts on the
oil pan and thinking a silicone gasket might be just the ticket.

Dave
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 15:01:43 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:01:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Gasket
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Dave,
If anyone knows it will be Joe Alexander at ARE.  I lay down a bead of RTV on the pan edge; then the gasket; then a nice coat of Permatex Aviation to go against the block.  No leaks....yet. 

Bill B
TS75131E

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:37 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Hey all ~

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a silicone oil pan gasket
for a TR? My TR3 could sure use one -- I'm tired of fussing with 
hammering-out dimples and such from overtightened bolts on the
oil pan and thinking a silicone gasket might be just the ticket.

Dave
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From italyfound at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 15:02:49 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:02:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
Message-ID: <5f42d97a.1c69fb81.f19fd.48ff@mx.google.com>

Hello all?.another day at it??..

?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.

While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.

Thanks, 
Alex Manzo

72TR6
59TR3A 

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Aug 23 15:22:25 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:22:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Gasket
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Pretty sure Joe Alexander sells one.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 3:36 PM
To: New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>; TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Gasket

 

Hey all ~

 

Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a silicone oil pan gasket

for a TR? My TR3 could sure use one -- I'm tired of fussing with 

hammering-out dimples and such from overtightened bolts on the

oil pan and thinking a silicone gasket might be just the ticket.

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Aug 23 16:01:42 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 22:01:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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 There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.? The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.? The other one is the 4-way flasher.

You will also notice the hazard switch.? These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

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From jeffn at msystech.com  Sun Aug 23 16:13:40 2020
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Mail.msystech.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:13:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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Dave,
I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?

Thanks,
Jeff N.
1972 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.  The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.  The other one is the 4-way flasher.
> 
> 
> You will also notice the hazard switch.  These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
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> Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
> Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
> 
> Hello all?.another day at it??..
>  
> ?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.
>  
> While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.
>  
> Thanks,
> Alex Manzo
>  
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From dmericas at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 16:28:29 2020
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:28:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 221
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From italyfound at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 17:34:42 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Alex M)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:34:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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Thanks Dave. That explains it. Just checked the flasher in the engine bay. Turned on the blinkers and pulled the wires off the flasher. Blinkers kept working. Process of elimination. Tomorrow I switch flashers and see what occurs. Jeff for me my 4 way is in the engine bay under the fuse boxes  
Thanks again Dave. Now the horn. Lol 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave,
> I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jeff N.
> 1972 TR6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.  The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.  The other one is the 4-way flasher.
>> 
>> 
>> You will also notice the hazard switch.  These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.
>> 
>> Dave 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
>> To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
>> Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
>> 
>> Hello all?.another day at it??..
>>  
>> ?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.
>>  
>> While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Alex Manzo
>>  
>> 72TR6
>> 59TR3A
>>  
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From jeffn at msystech.com  Sun Aug 23 17:55:44 2020
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Jeff Nathanson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:55:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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Dave,

 

Thanks for the information. Anybody know where the turn signal flasher is for a 1972? Someone told me that It?s in the compartment on the passenger side.

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

 

 

From: Alex M [mailto:italyfound at gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

 

Thanks Dave. That explains it. Just checked the flasher in the engine bay. Turned on the blinkers and pulled the wires off the flasher. Blinkers kept working. Process of elimination. Tomorrow I switch flashers and see what occurs. Jeff for me my 4 way is in the engine bay under the fuse boxes  

Thanks again Dave. Now the horn. Lol 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com <mailto:jeffn at msystech.com> > wrote:

?Dave,

I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

1972 TR6

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

? 

There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.  The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.  The other one is the 4-way flasher.

 



You will also notice the hazard switch.  These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.

 

Dave 

 

 

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To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

Hello all?.another day at it??..

 

?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.

 

While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.

 

Thanks, 

Alex Manzo

 

72TR6

59TR3A 

 

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Aug 23 17:55:51 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:55:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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Isn?t one of the flasher units located in the passenger foot well compartment?

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex M
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: Mail.msystech.com
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

 

Thanks Dave. That explains it. Just checked the flasher in the engine bay. Turned on the blinkers and pulled the wires off the flasher. Blinkers kept working. Process of elimination. Tomorrow I switch flashers and see what occurs. Jeff for me my 4 way is in the engine bay under the fuse boxes  

Thanks again Dave. Now the horn. Lol 

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com> wrote:

?Dave,

I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

1972 TR6

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

? 

There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.  The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.  The other one is the 4-way flasher.

 



You will also notice the hazard switch.  These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

Hello all?.another day at it??..

 

?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.

 

While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.

 

Thanks, 

Alex Manzo

 

72TR6

59TR3A 

 

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From italyfound at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 18:45:33 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Alex M)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:45:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
In-Reply-To: <014a01d679a8$eb7b47c0$c271d740$@msystech.com>
References: <014a01d679a8$eb7b47c0$c271d740$@msystech.com>
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That?s where mine is. 
Alex Manzo 
72 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 7:55 PM, Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dave,
>  
> Thanks for the information. Anybody know where the turn signal flasher is for a 1972? Someone told me that It?s in the compartment on the passenger side.
>  
> Thanks,
> Jeff N.
>  
>  
> From: Alex M [mailto:italyfound at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:35 PM
> To: Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com>
> Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
>  
> Thanks Dave. That explains it. Just checked the flasher in the engine bay. Turned on the blinkers and pulled the wires off the flasher. Blinkers kept working. Process of elimination. Tomorrow I switch flashers and see what occurs. Jeff for me my 4 way is in the engine bay under the fuse boxes  
> Thanks again Dave. Now the horn. Lol 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave,
> I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jeff N.
> 1972 TR6
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.  The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.  The other one is the 4-way flasher.
>  
> 
> You will also notice the hazard switch.  These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.
>  
> Dave
> 
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
> To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
> Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
> 
> Hello all?.another day at it??..
>  
> ?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.
>  
> While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.
>  
> Thanks,
> Alex Manzo
>  
> 72TR6
> 59TR3A
>  
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 19:09:22 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:09:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] Oil Pan Gasket
In-Reply-To: <ECFFA2FE-698E-4EB2-99A4-583D4B3304F7@aol.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwiQ2vVGVTXts4kZPy9dPLmGBGwVVMT5_54rCURsHyj7ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <ECFFA2FE-698E-4EB2-99A4-583D4B3304F7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwikDVmxBcyJxQYgxLV62FucF3+=MoEmacUtYEZtZtFhmg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure why the gasket would "squeeze out" any more than
on any other vehicle. Fel-Pro makes rubber oil pan gaskets
and I've written to them because they have all sorts of
makes and models (even some LBC's!) in their drop-down
list but not Triumph!

See https://www.felpro.com/parts/performance/oil-pan-gaskets.html

Dave

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 8:49 PM Phil Gott <vfracing at aol.com> wrote:

> Joe Alexander at GasketInnovations. Com has one under development. I?m not
> sure of the status but you could check.  The last I saw, they were trying
> to incorporate some standoffs around the bolt holes to keep the gasket from
> squeezing out.
> Phil Gott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:49 PM, David Friedlander via NET <
> net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
>
> ?
> Hey all ~
>
> Does anyone know if there is such a thing as a silicone oil pan gasket
> for a TR? My TR3 could sure use one -- I'm tired of fussing with
> hammering-out dimples and such from overtightened bolts on the
> oil pan and thinking a silicone gasket might be just the ticket.
>
> Dave
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 24 05:24:38 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 11:24:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
In-Reply-To: <2EED3929-F918-419C-970D-3FD5F1F6C7AB@msystech.com>
References: <703212748.4721089.1598220102904@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2EED3929-F918-419C-970D-3FD5F1F6C7AB@msystech.com>
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 I think it might be in the passenger foot well.? (Or is that in the TR7/8?)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: italyfound at gmail.com <italyfound at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 5:13 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

Dave,I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where?
Thanks,Jeff N.1972 TR6

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:



? There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.? The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.? The other one is the 4-way flasher.

You will also notice the hazard switch.? These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

#yiv0025650735 #yiv0025650735 -- filtered {}#yiv0025650735 filtered {}#yiv0025650735 p.yiv0025650735MsoNormal, #yiv0025650735 li.yiv0025650735MsoNormal, #yiv0025650735 div.yiv0025650735MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0025650735 a:link, #yiv0025650735 span.yiv0025650735MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0025650735 .yiv0025650735MsoChpDefault {}#yiv0025650735 filtered {}#yiv0025650735 div.yiv0025650735WordSection1 {}#yiv0025650735 Hello all?.another day at it??.. ??.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above. ?While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?. ?Thanks, Alex Manzo ?72TR659TR3A  ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 24 05:29:00 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 11:29:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
In-Reply-To: <014a01d679a8$eb7b47c0$c271d740$@msystech.com>
References: <2EED3929-F918-419C-970D-3FD5F1F6C7AB@msystech.com>
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 I recall there is a flasher in the passenger footwell on one of my cars.? It might be the TR6.? Check near the outside wall (right).
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>
To: 'Alex M' <italyfound at gmail.com>
Cc: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 6:55 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

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Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2020 7:35 PM
To: Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com>
Cc: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher ?Thanks Dave. That explains it. Just checked the flasher in the engine bay. Turned on the blinkers and pulled the wires off the flasher. Blinkers kept working. Process of elimination. Tomorrow I switch flashers and see what occurs. Jeff for me my 4 way is in the engine bay under the fuse boxes ?Thanks again Dave. Now the horn. Lol?Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Mail.msystech.com <jeffn at msystech.com> wrote:

?Dave,I?m having problems too with my flashers. Where are both flashers located? One is located in the engine compartment. But which one is that? And the other is located where? ?Thanks,Jeff N.1972 TR6Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 23, 2020, at 6:02 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

? There is a separate flasher for the turn signal and the hazard flasher.? The turn signal flasher has the light green black and the light green brown wires.? The other one is the 4-way flasher. ?You will also notice the hazard switch.? These things are notorious for being dodgy so check it out thoroughly. ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, Aug 23, 2020 4:02 pm
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way FlasherHello all?.another day at it??..??.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.?While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.?Thanks, Alex Manzo?72TR659TR3A ?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon Aug 24 06:41:10 2020
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:41:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
In-Reply-To: <5f42d97a.1c69fb81.f19fd.48ff@mx.google.com>
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	When I worked on my emergency flasher system a few years back I couldn?t get the flasher to work correctly when I reassembled it .  As it turned out, there was an error in the wiring diagram in the Haynes Manual wiring diagram of the switch connections I was using.  Luckily I had taken a photo of the switch before I had disassembled the wire connections, but of course, that was the last place I looked for an error.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all?.another day at it??..
>  
> ?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg. Any ideas on the above.
>  
> While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.
>  
> Thanks, 
> Alex Manzo
>  
> 72TR6
> 59TR3A 
>  
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 07:13:53 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 09:13:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPNhZ1reg3jvc=waX1T6tTUkd2tvMwZFHQ4-dngTJNLtg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 1975 TR6.   With the original gearbox, the speedometer was
correct.  I took it out to add overdrive and put in a gearbox from a 1974
while I worked on it.  That gearbox made the speedo read about 12% higher.

Got the overdrive on the box and in the car.  My speedo still reads high.
I'd like to find a simple solution...

Do I try to find the right drive gear for the gearbox output, or do I get a
different speedometer?


Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 07:54:04 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 06:54:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer
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Jeff - I think the important thing is whether your odometer is (more or
less) correct.

If the odo reads right then you may only need a simple adjustment to needle
position... something you can probably do sitting at the dining room table.


On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 6:14 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 1975 TR6.   With the original gearbox, the speedometer was
> correct.  I took it out to add overdrive and put in a gearbox from a 1974
> while I worked on it.  That gearbox made the speedo read about 12% higher.
>
> Got the overdrive on the box and in the car.  My speedo still reads high.
> I'd like to find a simple solution...
>
> Do I try to find the right drive gear for the gearbox output, or do I get
> a different speedometer?
>
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Mon Aug 24 08:25:26 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 08:41:42 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 07:41:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer
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I don't know much about TR6. I installed a J type overdrive in a Stag. At
the back of the inside of the OD is a gear which rotates the Speedo drive.
This needs to match the odo meter.. On the stag I recall the gear inside is
a 6 start and the drive gear is an 18 tooth gear. Look at my blog. There is
a no. Stamped at the back of the OD. Very small. This tells you what gear
is in the OD.

On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 6:54 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jeff - I think the important thing is whether your odometer is (more or
> less) correct.
>
> If the odo reads right then you may only need a simple adjustment to
> needle position... something you can probably do sitting at the dining room
> table.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 24, 2020, 6:14 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a 1975 TR6.   With the original gearbox, the speedometer was
>> correct.  I took it out to add overdrive and put in a gearbox from a 1974
>> while I worked on it.  That gearbox made the speedo read about 12% higher.
>>
>> Got the overdrive on the box and in the car.  My speedo still reads
>> high.  I'd like to find a simple solution...
>>
>> Do I try to find the right drive gear for the gearbox output, or do I get
>> a different speedometer?
>>
>>
>> Jeff Scarbrough
>> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Aug 24 10:11:52 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:11:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer
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Simple solution? Maybe a higher profile tire and/or 16 inch wheels the next time you need tires/wheels. Simple but not cheap.

a larger circumference on the outside edge of the tire, the wheels will actually spin slower at any given speed than the stock setup would. Therefore, the speedometer in the vehicle will read less than the actual speed that is being traveled


> On Aug 24, 2020, at 7:13 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a 1975 TR6.   With the original gearbox, the speedometer was correct.  I took it out to add overdrive and put in a gearbox from a 1974 while I worked on it.  That gearbox made the speedo read about 12% higher.
> 
> Got the overdrive on the box and in the car.  My speedo still reads high.  I'd like to find a simple solution...
> 
> Do I try to find the right drive gear for the gearbox output, or do I get a different speedometer?
> 
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 24 10:29:39 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:29:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer
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 If Randall was still with us he could tell you when this happened.? I'm not sure when but I think it was right about this time.
In the olden days all gearboxes cam with the same speedometer drive gear and the speedometers were calibrated based on the rear axle ratio.? If you look closely you will see a small print number indicating the number of turns per mile.? It could be some number like 1123 or 1056.? 

Then they adopted the more industry-standard 1000 turns per mile speedometer.? With this scheme they would fit different speedometer drive gears according to the rear axle ratio.? 

You may be able to fix this with a different driven gear, which is easily interchangeable in situ from under the car.? You might check the archives.? There is probably a graph showing what color gear (they are color coded) you need for the axle you have.? OD or no OD is of no consequence since the gear is driven off of the transmission output shaft.? 

Let us know what you find.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 8:13 am
Subject: [TR] Overdrive and Sppedometer

I have a 1975 TR6.? ?With the original gearbox, the speedometer was correct.? I took it out to add overdrive and put in a gearbox from a 1974 while I worked on it.? That gearbox made the speedo read about 12% higher.
Got the overdrive on the box and in the car.? My speedo still reads high.? I'd like to find a simple solution...
Do I try to find the right drive gear for the gearbox output, or do I get a different speedometer?

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 24 10:30:52 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 16:30:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
In-Reply-To: <1714975737.19245.1598279127235@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <5f42d97a.1c69fb81.f19fd.48ff@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <2041743578.4970903.1598286652552@mail.yahoo.com>

 Worth the price just for the corrected and clarified electrical drawings alone.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
Cc: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 24, 2020 9:25 am
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher

  If you have a TR250 or TR6 and plan to work on the electrical system, it is advantageous to have Dan Masters' "Triumph TR250-TR6 Electrical Maintenance Handbook".?   
   NFI   
   Ed Woods  
  On 08/24/2020 8:41 AM Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:   
   
 When I worked on my emergency flasher system a few years back I couldn?t get the flasher to work correctly when I reassembled it . ?As it turned out, there was an error in the wiring diagram in the Haynes Manual wiring diagram of the switch connections I was using. ?Luckily I had taken a photo of the switch before I had disassembled the wire connections, but of course, that was the last place I looked for an error.  Best,   Bob   ?72 TR6 
  
 
  On Aug 23, 2020, at 5:02 PM, Italyfound < italyfound at gmail.com> wrote:     Hello all?.another day at it??..   
   ?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3 rd ?leg. Any ideas on the above.   
   While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button. What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.   
   Thanks, ?   Alex Manzo   
   72TR6   59TR3A ?   
   Sent from ? Mail ?for Windows 10   
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 11:13:39 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:13:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Lucas backup light install
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Thanks.  This one took 9 years and some good friends to help me. 
Jim H.



-----Original Message-----
From: DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 10:41 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Lucas backup light install

That is fantastic news about your win.  You must be building fantastic cars.  Bravo! Congratulations!  What was your top speed?  He he he.  Send a photo.  I want to see this one.
Dave H.

> On 08/22/2020 5:30 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Anyone have pictures on where a TR4 reverse light would be installed as accessory?  Any info. Would be greatly appreciated.  I have a switch in tranny wired back to passenger bumper area. How to mount etc.   need help please.  Up in Gettysburg PA today and won an AACA Grand National 1st place with my 62 TR4.  Ready for TRAwhen we get back in business again,  
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
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From lherault at verizon.net  Mon Aug 24 12:04:55 2020
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:04:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 222
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No one has talked about your horn, I think.  Besides making sure the contact
plate is clean, make sure all ground connections down the column are there,
clean and tight.  Make sure there is connection from the column to the body
of the car too.  Last but not least, get a trusty assistant to push on the
horn button, engine going, and whack the body of the horn, on which of
course you have already checked to confirm that the hot connection and
ground connetion are clean and tight.

Ron L


Message: 4
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 17:02:49 -0400
From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 4 way Flasher
Message-ID: <5f42d97a.1c69fb81.f19fd.48ff at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello all?.another day at it??..

?.My 4 way flashers are not working on my 72 TR6. Next to the fuses there is
a flasher relay which I need to check tomorrow. That said?today while
chasing another issue under the dash (passenger side) I discovered another
flasher. Even though I have had the entire dash apart years ago I do not
remember what that one is for. What I did notice is that there are 3 wires
with only two connected to the flasher. The flasher does not have a 3rd leg.
Any ideas on the above.

While we are on the electricals?.my horn button is not working either. I
have cleaned the pin in the hub and the contact plate on the hub button.
What I get when I depress the button is a short click/thud which sounds like
it is coming from under the dash. Ideas appreciated?.

Thanks, 
Alex Manzo



From joealexandervintage at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 12:23:43 2020
From: joealexandervintage at gmail.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:23:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gasket Innovations Silicone Gaskets. Timing Cover & Pan
 Gaskets. Status
Message-ID: <E3CFAC91-3680-420B-B0FD-16C224C0BFB1@gmail.com>


Triumph Folks

I see people asking about Silicone Pan Gaskets. Here is a status report:

Timing Cover Gaskets-TR4 & TR6: we are now producing pre-production timing cover gaskets for trial. We will send out a few for evaluation, very soon.

Pan Gaskets-TR4: we have an experimental mold and it needs design changes. 

We have been working on these for a few years, but the projects go dormant when we try to produce valve cover gasket to a high demand. 

It still will be awhile. Demand is high now as people have gone to their garages and we only have a small group of mostly part time employees.

We also want a roaring success, on new product, like the valve cover gaskets.

Thank you all for posing the question. It?s something we want to do, and do well.

Best Regards,


Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 10:13:47 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:13:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on
 a TR6
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to
get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed?
If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?

Regards, Sujit



[image: canister.jpeg]


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Aug 26 10:23:38 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:23:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
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 If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think?they?are available.?
This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood? and I'd like to get preformed?90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
Regards, Sujit?





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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 10:41:05 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:41:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <207058027.5849627.1598459018966@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
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That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice though.
Regards.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make
> the sharp turns using those.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
> Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
> on a TR6
>
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to
> get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed?
> If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> [image: canister.jpeg]
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Aug 26 10:50:19 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:50:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
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Just a thought ? why not remove the charcoal cannister and all the hoses?  I did that on my TR6 and its an improvement

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

 

That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice though.

Regards.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available. 

This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.

The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?

 

Regards, Sujit 

 

 

 






 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 10:59:46 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:59:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
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Message-ID: <CANLCLaGZqxRDfSk4357_jBvTDtibTr0nZq=F-r4A-CWLW6CbFw@mail.gmail.com>

I am working on Stag No. 2 and need to get it registered in CA. I have all
the parts, so I  thought I'd put it on.
However, I have Stag no. 1. What improvements can I get by removing the
canister and how do I plug the holes correctly? I recall the Stag has a
return from this canister back into the fuel tank. If I plug this line
wont it cause some sort or vacuum in the tank?

Sujit

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Just a thought ? why not remove the charcoal cannister and all the hoses?
> I did that on my TR6 and its an improvement
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:41 AM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that
> used on a TR6
>
>
>
> That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice though.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make
> the sharp turns using those.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
> Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
> on a TR6
>
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
>
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
>
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to
> get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed?
> If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Aug 26 11:02:10 2020
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 17:02:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB092045A29859BCC013EFACB0FA540@CY4PR22MB0920.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

What diameter and overall length? I?ve had success searching pictures for something that looks right, and taking the part number to rockauto.com to find the dimensions. Or, going to NAPA with a picture and dimensions and getting a friendly counter guy to let me go through a paper catalog (yes they still exist).

Just some thoughts.


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From: Sujit Roy<mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM
To: Triumphs<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?

Regards, Sujit



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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Aug 26 11:25:38 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 12:25:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGZqxRDfSk4357_jBvTDtibTr0nZq=F-r4A-CWLW6CbFw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <207058027.5849627.1598459018966@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <004401d67bcd$ebb702c0$c3250840$@ranteer.com>

On a TR6 and your diagram ? there is a T from the vacuum system.  One end goes to the cannister. Just eliminate it.

 

the line that comes in from the fuel tank is important in that is where air comes from to replace the fuel as it leaves the tank.  I just put a filter on it right there in the engine compartment and let it continue to supply air to the tank.

 

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:00 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

 

I am working on Stag No. 2 and need to get it registered in CA. I have all the parts, so I  thought I'd put it on. 

However, I have Stag no. 1. What improvements can I get by removing the canister and how do I plug the holes correctly? I recall the Stag has a return from this canister back into the fuel tank. If I plug this line wont it cause some sort or vacuum in the tank?

 

Sujit

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

Just a thought ? why not remove the charcoal cannister and all the hoses?  I did that on my TR6 and its an improvement

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

 

That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice though.

Regards.

 

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > wrote:

If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> >
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available. 

This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.

The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?

 

Regards, Sujit 

 

 

 






 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:03:28 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 11:03:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <004401d67bcd$ebb702c0$c3250840$@ranteer.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <207058027.5849627.1598459018966@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hello Dave,
Just for clarification.
I have a canister with 3 ports.
1 goes to the tank. ( understood - put an air filter on this line)
1 comes from the valve cover breather and from each carb. Block this off at
the canister. (Since I'm assuming this introduces some air from the bottom
of the canister, do I need to adjust fuel air ratio?
1 connects to the carbs (above in photo (42 and 44) . Does this vent to
air?
What have I gained by removing all this? As I said I have the parts readily
available.

For other folks who have replied. I will take this stuff to my local NAPA
as I need some vacuum hoses as well.
Regards, Sujit


On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> On a TR6 and your diagram ? there is a T from the vacuum system.  One end
> goes to the cannister. Just eliminate it.
>
>
>
> the line that comes in from the fuel tank is important in that is where
> air comes from to replace the fuel as it leaves the tank.  I just put a
> filter on it right there in the engine compartment and let it continue to
> supply air to the tank.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:00 PM
> *To:* dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that
> used on a TR6
>
>
>
> I am working on Stag No. 2 and need to get it registered in CA. I have all
> the parts, so I  thought I'd put it on.
>
> However, I have Stag no. 1. What improvements can I get by removing the
> canister and how do I plug the holes correctly? I recall the Stag has a
> return from this canister back into the fuel tank. If I plug this line
> wont it cause some sort or vacuum in the tank?
>
>
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Just a thought ? why not remove the charcoal cannister and all the hoses?
> I did that on my TR6 and its an improvement
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:41 AM
> *To:* DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that
> used on a TR6
>
>
>
> That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice though.
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make
> the sharp turns using those.
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
> Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
> on a TR6
>
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
>
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
>
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to
> get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed?
> If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From hdrider570 at att.net  Wed Aug 26 12:20:16 2020
From: hdrider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 18:20:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Ref TR7/8 Seat rebuilding
References: <593116501.8055394.1598466016519.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <593116501.8055394.1598466016519@mail.yahoo.com>

I posted a second video thta shows the seat installation and a test drive on YouTube.? Here is the link
https://youtu.be/-hp-RimCu0c?
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:48:51 2020
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:48:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAAD655E-69CE-458E-8491-1BD89CF1DC78@gmail.com>

I was looking for similar hoses for an MGB. I found that Gates makes universal right angle hoses, different sizes and lengths. However I haven?t followed up on it so that?s all I have.

 Don?t think removal is a good idea. On the MGB it?s a fuel evaporation system with a non-vented gas tank and the SU fuel bowl overflow is piped back to the canister. I also have a TR4 with tank vented to air and float bowl overflow spilling to engine compartment and ground (if it doesn?t reach the exhaust first).

Allen 

> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available. 
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
> 
> Regards, Sujit 
> 
> 
> 
> <canister.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Aug 26 13:05:11 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaF208EdbfmaJ+Kr5c+af3VrDmCqRKnoSXw7D7HC0EuiPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
 <207058027.5849627.1598459018966@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1693711274.5899419.1598468711979@mail.yahoo.com>

 That's pretty subjective, isn't it?
;-)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:41 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice?though.Regards.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think?they?are available.?
This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood? and I'd like to get preformed?90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
Regards, Sujit?





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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Aug 26 13:11:48 2020
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnus son)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:11:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
Message-ID: <6E93CF2E-B0DE-4421-BB6D-36CA827E2DC5@cox.net>

Hi Sujit, I just used standard heater hose from any auto parts store on my Stag and TR6 (And GT6).  Fits fine; it?s nothing fancy.

Frank

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Aug 26 13:16:25 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 19:16:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
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 Do you have the solenoid valve connected to the bottom port on the canister?? Do the two small hoses connect to that valve?? That is your anti-run-on device that starves the engine for gas when you switch off.? The canister is an integral part of that and will not work without it.? Since your car has aluminium (aluminum) heads you may not have issues with dieseling at shut-off.? The TR6 cast iron heads sure do - especially when you bump up the compression ratio like I did.? 

Venting the tank through the canister helps preserve the gas quality on a car that gets used on an occasional basis as opposed to venting the tank directly to atmosphere.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6

Hello Dave,Just for?clarification.I have a canister with 3 ports.?1?goes to the tank. ( understood - put an air filter on this line)1 comes from the valve cover breather and from each carb. Block this off at the canister. (Since I'm assuming this introduces?some air from the?bottom of the canister, do I need to adjust fuel air ratio?1 connects to the carbs (above in photo (42 and 44) . Does this vent to air??What have I gained by removing all this? As I said I have the parts readily available.
For other folks who have replied. I will take this stuff to my local NAPA as I need some vacuum?hoses as well.Regards, Sujit

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

On a TR6 and your diagram ? there is a T from the vacuum system.? One end goes to the cannister. Just eliminate it.?the line that comes in from the fuel tank is important in that is where air comes from to replace the fuel as it leaves the tank.? I just put a filter on it right there in the engine compartment and let it continue to supply air to the tank.?From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 12:00 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6?I am working?on Stag No. 2 and need to get it registered in CA. I have all the parts, so I? thought I'd put it on.?However, I have Stag no. 1. What improvements can I get by removing the canister and how do I plug the holes correctly? I recall the Stag has a return from this canister back into the fuel tank. If I plug this line wont?it cause some sort or?vacuum?in the tank??Sujit?On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
Just a thought ? why not remove the charcoal cannister and all the hoses?? I did that on my TR6 and its an improvement?From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 11:41 AM
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6?That's the back up plan. They don't look as nice?though.Regards.?On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 9:23 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.?Dave ??-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think?they?are available.?This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood? and I'd like to get preformed?90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm??Regards, Sujit????
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Wed Aug 26 15:46:47 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 22:46:47 +0100
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that
	used	on a TR6
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I?d have thought these were available through Mike Coffee of Triumph Stag Club USA.

JONMAC

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 26 Aug 2020, at 17:23, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make the sharp turns using those.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
> Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used on a TR6
> 
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available. 
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed? If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
> 
> Regards, Sujit 
> 
> 
> 
> <canister.jpeg>
> 
> 
> -- 
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> Cupertino, California
> 
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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 22:19:11 2020
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 00:19:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] Champagne Wishes & Caviar Dreams
Message-ID: <3cd3152a-c5f0-7d95-525d-51018a9fadb2@gmail.com>

Happy birthday, Jonmac!

Cheers,

Chuck White

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 22:22:51 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 23:22:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Champagne Wishes & Caviar Dreams
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Happy Birthday John, have a great one!

Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:19 PM, Chuck White <triumph.driver at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Happy birthday, Jonmac!

Cheers,

Chuck White

Xenia, OH USA

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Aug 27 05:03:40 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:03:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Champagne Wishes & Caviar Dreams
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 Indeed!? It should be a national holiday.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: Triumphs List <Triumphs at Autox.Team.Net>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:19 pm
Subject: [TR] Champagne Wishes & Caviar Dreams

  Happy birthday, Jonmac! Cheers, Chuck White Xenia, OH USA
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From tr4driver at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:13:32 2020
From: tr4driver at gmail.com (Kurtis J.)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 10:13:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Randall Young
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I've not followed the list for several years (close to 10 I think).  I just
recently got my TR4 back on the road after it's long sleep in my garage.  I
was sad to learn of Randall's passing.  I had similar experiences with
Randall and Fred.  Both were always very generous with their time and
knowledge.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 9:20 AM David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:

> I am just catching up on this.  OMG what a shock.  I never met him
> directly but many emails and a number of phone calls always made me feel,
> along with so many others in this community I suspect, there was always a
> voice in the dark to show the light.  When you get into a position of
> frustration, a voice to help. For me, this hits in a similar way to when
> Fred Thomas passed.  I guess that reflects the impact people like this,
> giving of themselves, have on people like me, trying to learn.  Wow, just
> wow.
>
>
>
> RIP Randall
>
>
>
> David Templeton
>
> ?59 Tr3a ? built with the assistance of Randall & Fred
>
> ?74 Spit6
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Thu Aug 27 12:43:51 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:43:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
References: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>

There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports 
that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of 
the parts diagram.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Aug 27 13:17:03 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 19:17:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
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Message-ID: <935945601.6357453.1598555823275@mail.yahoo.com>

 That's true and I forget which one, too.? But the presumption is that Sujit has that in his canister already adn is just looking for the hoses.? But it is a good thing to check.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that, used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)

There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports 
that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of 
the parts diagram.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 17:45:25 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 16:45:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
 on a TR6
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References: <CANLCLaGrWxa0Y773SiW94r7SvVHnYn2XaYPV=fx44f_E1J+j2A@mail.gmail.com>
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The Stag doesn't have the anti run on valve at the bottom of the canister.
If Michael C has hoses, they are probably old stock. I will keep the car
stock for now. and I'm going to NAPA this evening,

Sujit




On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:46 PM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
wrote:

> I?d have thought these were available through Mike Coffee of Triumph Stag
> Club USA.
>
> JONMAC
>
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?
>
>
> On 26 Aug 2020, at 17:23, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>
> If you can't find it you can get some barbed right-angle fittings and make
> the sharp turns using those.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 11:13 am
> Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that used
> on a TR6
>
> I need to get some hoses for my Stag. I don't think they are available.
> This is from a TR6 and the hoses are similar to hoses 27 and 29.
> The canister in the Stag sits quite high under the hood  and I'd like to
> get preformed 90 degree angled hoses. Are the hoses for the TR6 performed?
> If so, then TRF probably has the correct ones. Can someone confirm?
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
>
> <canister.jpeg>
>
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From greg at gregoryd.com  Thu Aug 27 19:24:53 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:24:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
Message-ID: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>

Greetings,

 

This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.

 

The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.

 

I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to use.

 

I?m referring to item 4: 

 

 

Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane. The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two pieces.

 

Two-piece poly:

 

 

One-piece poly:

 

 

I?m interested in opinions on:

 

1: poly vs. rubber

2: one-piece vs. two-piece

3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should probably also look at replacing while doing this work?

 

Thank you,

 

Greg

 

 

 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 19:35:03 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 21:35:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
References: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <766F197C-74B1-4921-AEEB-5802B9B449EF@gmail.com>

Two piece poly. Easy install.  Need to do the same on my 4a. CTC72218L0
Jim Henningsen 

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 9:30 PM, Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Greetings,
>  
> This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.
>  
> The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.
>  
> I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to use.
>  
> I?m referring to item 4:
>  
> <image001.png>
>  
> Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane. The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two pieces.
>  
> Two-piece poly:
>  
> <image002.png>
>  
> One-piece poly:
>  
> <image003.png>
>  
> I?m interested in opinions on:
>  
> 1: poly vs. rubber
> 2: one-piece vs. two-piece
> 3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should probably also look at replacing while doing this work?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Greg
>  
>  
>  
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 20:52:16 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 19:52:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
In-Reply-To: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>
References: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb.ref@att.net>
 <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>
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Thanks Edward. Yes the middle one to the valve cover. Small piece of
plastic with a small hole in it.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 11:44 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

> There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports
> that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of
> the parts diagram.
>
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 22:03:51 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:03:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
References: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZpztdqvB=Yw7mnetzHfz-bmTR5RxFcKayY0KxSMRrm7w@mail.gmail.com>

I have not tried the one piece poly, have used two piece poly and rubber.
Both work fine, swear I can feel a little sharper steering and control with
the poly.  Poly may squeak a little if you don't apply some silicone grease
every year or so.

Rubber wears out a little faster, but should still last year's on a limited
mileage collector car, but they are cheap and easy to replace.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:25 PM Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>
>
> This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.
>
>
>
> The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper
> wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.
>
>
>
> I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to
> use.
>
>
>
> I?m referring to item 4:
>
>
>
>
>
> Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane.
> The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two
> pieces.
>
>
>
> Two-piece poly:
>
>
>
>
>
> One-piece poly:
>
>
>
>
>
> I?m interested in opinions on:
>
>
>
> 1: poly vs. rubber
>
> 2: one-piece vs. two-piece
>
> 3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should
> probably also look at replacing while doing this work?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 22:06:20 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:06:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
References: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3abgwrpxxY8kd-Qxu1cpbroaVwB7Pj7k6N18MQiEpQBMaQ@mail.gmail.com>

P.S. have not installed one piece, but have tried similar, I strongly
suspect they make a very simple job into a PITA.

Greg Lemon

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:25 PM Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
>
>
> This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.
>
>
>
> The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper
> wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.
>
>
>
> I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to
> use.
>
>
>
> I?m referring to item 4:
>
>
>
>
>
> Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane.
> The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two
> pieces.
>
>
>
> Two-piece poly:
>
>
>
>
>
> One-piece poly:
>
>
>
>
>
> I?m interested in opinions on:
>
>
>
> 1: poly vs. rubber
>
> 2: one-piece vs. two-piece
>
> 3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should
> probably also look at replacing while doing this work?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Greg
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 28 07:03:04 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:03:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaE-5oLZR1svgq1dQFCSBqwwgAJKA5iFNN6UyCMsPXQbCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb.ref@att.net>
 <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>
 <CANLCLaE-5oLZR1svgq1dQFCSBqwwgAJKA5iFNN6UyCMsPXQbCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <868235020.6600500.1598619784180@mail.yahoo.com>

 Interesting.? The early TR6 (without Anti-Run-On valve) didn't have this restrictor.? Nor did it have the third port for the hoses that go to the top of the float chambers.? These were added to support the Anti-Run-On valve.? But if the Stag doesn't have the Anti-Run-On valve why did they use this canister?? I guess they used what was on the shelf at the time which is the part used on the TR6 at the time.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that, used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)

Thanks Edward. Yes the middle one to the valve cover. Small piece of plastic with a small hole in it.?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 11:44 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports 
that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of 
the parts diagram.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From greg at gregoryd.com  Fri Aug 28 07:06:13 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:06:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abgwrpxxY8kd-Qxu1cpbroaVwB7Pj7k6N18MQiEpQBMaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B2089A8F-D7EB-40C5-B15A-4FF0D2BAB43C@gregoryd.com>
 <CAFtw3abgwrpxxY8kd-Qxu1cpbroaVwB7Pj7k6N18MQiEpQBMaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3E5F6B5-934C-4B50-8FF1-C1D290072007@gregoryd.com>

Thank you Greg and Jim.

 

I?m going with two-piece poly.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:23 AM
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices

 

P.S. have not installed one piece, but have tried similar, I strongly suspect they make a very simple job into a PITA.

 

Greg Lemon

 

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:25 PM Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

Greetings,

 

This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.

 

The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.

 

I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to use.

 

I?m referring to item 4: 

 

 

Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane. The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two pieces.

 

Two-piece poly:

 

 

One-piece poly:

 

 

I?m interested in opinions on:

 

1: poly vs. rubber

2: one-piece vs. two-piece

3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should probably also look at replacing while doing this work?

 

Thank you,

 

Greg

 

 

 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 07:08:43 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 09:08:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <F3E5F6B5-934C-4B50-8FF1-C1D290072007@gregoryd.com>
References: <F3E5F6B5-934C-4B50-8FF1-C1D290072007@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <7B871FFB-966C-443E-9006-12862DC70530@gmail.com>

As mentioned previously, don?t forget to liberally lube them up to avoid squeeking.  I did that at install and haven?t had to again in ten years. Jim

> On Aug 28, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thank you Greg and Jim.
>  
> I?m going with two-piece poly.
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
> Date: Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:23 AM
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
>  
> P.S. have not installed one piece, but have tried similar, I strongly suspect they make a very simple job into a PITA.
>  
> Greg Lemon
>  
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:25 PM Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
>  
> This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.
>  
> The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.
>  
> I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to use.
>  
> I?m referring to item 4:
>  
> 
>  
> Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane. The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two pieces.
>  
> Two-piece poly:
>  
> 
>  
> One-piece poly:
>  
> 
>  
> I?m interested in opinions on:
>  
> 1: poly vs. rubber
> 2: one-piece vs. two-piece
> 3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should probably also look at replacing while doing this work?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Greg
>  
>  
>  
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 28 07:20:14 2020
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:20:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 227
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6607.1598587598.2905.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Good Morning,

 Assuming the car is not damaged this is a good Saturday morning task or perhaps a Tuesday if one is retired. I would certainly use poly something. I wonder what Energy Suspension has available.  You may wish the change the top ball joint at the same time. 


 
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    Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 23:06:20 -0500
    From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
    Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
    Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
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    P.S. have not installed one piece, but have tried similar, I strongly
    suspect they make a very simple job into a PITA.

    Greg Lemon

    On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:25 PM Greg <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

    > Greetings,
    >
    >
    >
    > This concerns the front suspension of my ?67 TR4A.
    >
    >
    >
    > The bushings that go over the upper fulcrum pin and support the upper
    > wishbone need replacing, something I?ve never done.
    >
    >
    >
    > I?m wondering if anyone has an opinion on the best replacement bushing to
    > use.
    >
    >
    >
    > I?m referring to item 4:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > Moss offers a selection of replacements: one rubber, three polyurethane.
    > The more expensive poly is a ?one piece? bushing, while the rest are two
    > pieces.
    >
    >
    >
    > Two-piece poly:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > One-piece poly:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > I?m interested in opinions on:
    >
    >
    >
    > 1: poly vs. rubber
    >
    > 2: one-piece vs. two-piece
    >
    > 3: anything else you think might help, like is there something I should
    > probably also look at replacing while doing this work?
    >
    >
    >
    > Thank you,
    >
    >
    >
    > Greg
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 09:49:39 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 08:49:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
In-Reply-To: <868235020.6600500.1598619784180@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb.ref@att.net>
 <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>
 <CANLCLaE-5oLZR1svgq1dQFCSBqwwgAJKA5iFNN6UyCMsPXQbCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <868235020.6600500.1598619784180@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFyH0U4gePwBn1csjB_FATSckCydYdaVxrWDo0JtziYrg@mail.gmail.com>

I think but am not sure that the '71 Stag originally came with a canister
with 2 ports. But unfortunately, know one has confirmed. In some of the
manuals and parts books, there are illustrations of the Stag having 2
2-port canisters.
Stag no1 has a carburetor swap to a later Mk2 set. The Mk2 2 Stag has a
3-port canister. The ports on this type are vertical. I was able to find a
3 port canister from a junkyard. It came out of an MGB. THis canister
didn't have a restrictor.
Sujit

On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:03 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Interesting.  The early TR6 (without Anti-Run-On valve) didn't have this
> restrictor.  Nor did it have the third port for the hoses that go to the
> top of the float chambers.  These were added to support the Anti-Run-On
> valve.  But if the Stag doesn't have the Anti-Run-On valve why did they
> use this canister?  I guess they used what was on the shelf at the time
> which is the part used on the TR6 at the time.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 9:52 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
> used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
>
> Thanks Edward. Yes the middle one to the valve cover. Small piece of
> plastic with a small hole in it.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 11:44 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:
>
> There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports
> that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of
> the parts diagram.
>
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Aug 28 10:46:43 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:46:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that,
 used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFyH0U4gePwBn1csjB_FATSckCydYdaVxrWDo0JtziYrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb.ref@att.net>
 <dc52f8a4-524e-15a9-77d2-684b260c8cdb@att.net>
 <CANLCLaE-5oLZR1svgq1dQFCSBqwwgAJKA5iFNN6UyCMsPXQbCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <868235020.6600500.1598619784180@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CANLCLaFyH0U4gePwBn1csjB_FATSckCydYdaVxrWDo0JtziYrg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <452784860.6717379.1598633203690@mail.yahoo.com>

 OK.? This makes more sense.? Thanks for the clarification.? My 71 TR6 had the two-port canister but I decided to fit an Anti-Run-On valve so I converted to later style (from a 73, I think) carbs, canister and hoses.? I had to fit up my own electrics to run the valve at shut-off but it works well.
I would think that aluminium (aluminum) heads would make the Anti-Run-On valve unnecessary.? The TR8 was not fitted with this system and my car never ever ever ever dieseled on shut-down.? Since aluminum is a much better conductor of heat these heads don't develop hot spots to the degree that cast iron does.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: HDRider570 at att.net <HDRider570 at att.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2020 10:49 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that, used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)

I think but am not sure that the '71 Stag originally came with a canister with 2 ports. But unfortunately, know one has confirmed. In some of the manuals and parts books, there are illustrations of the Stag having 2 2-port canisters.Stag no1 has a carburetor?swap to a later Mk2 set. The Mk2 2 Stag has a 3-port canister. The ports on this type?are vertical. I was able to find?a 3 port canister from a junkyard. It came out of an MGB. THis canister didn't have a restrictor.Sujit
On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 6:03 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Interesting.? The early TR6 (without Anti-Run-On valve) didn't have this restrictor.? Nor did it have the third port for the hoses that go to the top of the float chambers.? These were added to support the Anti-Run-On valve.? But if the Stag doesn't have the Anti-Run-On valve why did they use this canister?? I guess they used what was on the shelf at the time which is the part used on the TR6 at the time.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 27, 2020 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Hoses to carbon canister for Triumphs similar to that, used on a TR6 (Sujit Roy)

Thanks Edward. Yes the middle one to the valve cover. Small piece of plastic with a small hole in it.?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 11:44 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

There is a flow reducer bushing placed into one of the canister ports 
that is often missing.?? I don't remember which port but it is shown of 
the parts diagram.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From cak at dimebank.com  Fri Aug 28 11:04:23 2020
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 10:04:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6607.1598587598.2905.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.6607.1598587598.2905.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <70d2339a-e9a9-dfb4-e200-173a90801a4b@dimebank.com>

It depends on what you want from the suspension. The original rubber 
bushings provide some compliance (softness) in the ride; 
nylatron/Delrin/poly will not, so the ride will be stiffer (and perhaps 
make the handling a little more precise).

I did an experiment, long ago, with Delrin on one side and poly on the 
other, on my autox GT6+, and didn't really notice a significant 
difference in performance.

The two part poly bushings are easy to install and last pretty much 
forever (unlike the original rubber ones) and that's what I use on any 
Britcar suspension that I rebuild. I haven't bought any for a while, but 
used to get them from British Parts Northwest.

Lube them up with a long lasting synthetic grease (Aqua Lube is a 
popular choice, designed for trailer wheel bearings that will be 
regularly submerged, but pretty much any silicone grease will do fine) 
or they will drive you crazy with squeaking.

If you've got the upper wishbone apart, you might as well put in a new 
ball joint, too.

From smithw1 at optonline.net  Fri Aug 28 14:34:35 2020
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:34:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A for Sale
Message-ID: <59.2B.13745.D5A694F5@mta1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


A fellow who lives near me in northern New Jersey has a TR3A? that he would like to sell. He has a rather extensive collection, but I believe this is his only British car.? I? saw the car a number of years ago and it was in very presentable condition at that time. This past Wednesday when I? saw him, he described the car as being a "fifteen footer".If anyone has serious interest in this car, contact me offline with your contact information, and I? will? forward it to him. I have no financial or other interest in this - just trying to help out a neighbor.Bill Smith?'72 TR6?'80 TR7Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From greg at gregoryd.com  Fri Aug 28 14:44:05 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:44:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A upper wishbone bushing choices
In-Reply-To: <70d2339a-e9a9-dfb4-e200-173a90801a4b@dimebank.com>
References: <mailman.6607.1598587598.2905.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <70d2339a-e9a9-dfb4-e200-173a90801a4b@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <C5156AF8-B84D-4C10-83CB-EE1A44913B37@gregoryd.com>

Thanks Chris and John.

I've added ball joints to the task and will lube liberally.

?On 8/28/20, 1:05 PM, "Triumphs on behalf of Chris Kantarjiev" <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net on behalf of cak at dimebank.com> wrote:

    It depends on what you want from the suspension. The original rubber 
    bushings provide some compliance (softness) in the ride; 
    nylatron/Delrin/poly will not, so the ride will be stiffer (and perhaps 
    make the handling a little more precise).

    I did an experiment, long ago, with Delrin on one side and poly on the 
    other, on my autox GT6+, and didn't really notice a significant 
    difference in performance.

    The two part poly bushings are easy to install and last pretty much 
    forever (unlike the original rubber ones) and that's what I use on any 
    Britcar suspension that I rebuild. I haven't bought any for a while, but 
    used to get them from British Parts Northwest.

    Lube them up with a long lasting synthetic grease (Aqua Lube is a 
    popular choice, designed for trailer wheel bearings that will be 
    regularly submerged, but pretty much any silicone grease will do fine) 
    or they will drive you crazy with squeaking.

    If you've got the upper wishbone apart, you might as well put in a new 
    ball joint, too.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 13:25:24 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:25:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search
Message-ID: <00d901d67e3a$2592f800$70b8e800$@gmail.com>

List:
I'm looking for an original Stanpart three ring binder TR4A parts manual for
my latest project car.  Yes, they are repros out there but I am a TR purist.
Its an unrestored 1967 TR4A with 72k original miles, factory OD and very
cool history.   An 80 year old couple near me owned it for the last 45
years.  It was her baby and I have decided to bring him back to proper
condition.  The previous owner is named  Chuck (Charles), my daughters
favorite streaming show right now is Chuck (its awesome), so the car is
named "Charles" in honor of the previous owner, my daughter's desire, and
for Charles Runyon of TRF fame and legend.  Looking forward to bringing
another TR back to proper condition.   Please contact me off list if you
have a parts manual you are willing to sell to a good home.  

Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4 (just won an AACA Grand National award)
67 TR4A  CTC78218L0
75 TR6
81 TR8


From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Aug 29 15:07:35 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:07:35 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search
In-Reply-To: <00d901d67e3a$2592f800$70b8e800$@gmail.com>
References: <00d901d67e3a$2592f800$70b8e800$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B26CEB6B-8B1C-4D6D-8A9F-49F529FAF743@Ukpips.org.uk>

Sorry, Jim. Had I known, you could had mine as a gift. It was an original works version but was four D ring not three. Had it on eBay UK for nearly two months and not a nibble so it went out with the household recycling.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 29 Aug 2020, at 20:25, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> List:
> I'm looking for an original Stanpart three ring binder TR4A parts manual for
> my latest project car.  Yes, they are repros out there but I am a TR purist.
> Its an unrestored 1967 TR4A with 72k original miles, factory OD and very
> cool history.   An 80 year old couple near me owned it for the last 45
> years.  It was her baby and I have decided to bring him back to proper
> condition.  The previous owner is named  Chuck (Charles), my daughters
> favorite streaming show right now is Chuck (its awesome), so the car is
> named "Charles" in honor of the previous owner, my daughter's desire, and
> for Charles Runyon of TRF fame and legend.  Looking forward to bringing
> another TR back to proper condition.   Please contact me off list if you
> have a parts manual you are willing to sell to a good home.  
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4 (just won an AACA Grand National award)
> 67 TR4A  CTC78218L0
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
> 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 15:33:53 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:33:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid
References: <0C124C9B-DF40-482A-88D7-F8FBB11FEDEA.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0C124C9B-DF40-482A-88D7-F8FBB11FEDEA@yahoo.com>

On a couple of occasions over the past several months when using the remote button on the solenoid it has stuck on the on/crank mode.   When this happens I just give it a good rap with a screwdriver handle and it quits.  Anyone  else have this issue, new solenoid, will this stop or get worse?
Thx,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 15:37:07 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:37:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search
In-Reply-To: <B26CEB6B-8B1C-4D6D-8A9F-49F529FAF743@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <B26CEB6B-8B1C-4D6D-8A9F-49F529FAF743@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <46EE599B-3FAF-46CA-84A1-259CF9C9F21B@gmail.com>

Ugh!!   Sorry some of the triumph history didn?t survive.  
Jim

> On Aug 29, 2020, at 5:07 PM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Sorry, Jim. Had I known, you could had mine as a gift. It was an original works version but was four D ring not three. Had it on eBay UK for nearly two months and not a nibble so it went out with the household recycling.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?
> 
> 
>> On 29 Aug 2020, at 20:25, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> List:
>> I'm looking for an original Stanpart three ring binder TR4A parts manual for
>> my latest project car.  Yes, they are repros out there but I am a TR purist.
>> Its an unrestored 1967 TR4A with 72k original miles, factory OD and very
>> cool history.   An 80 year old couple near me owned it for the last 45
>> years.  It was her baby and I have decided to bring him back to proper
>> condition.  The previous owner is named  Chuck (Charles), my daughters
>> favorite streaming show right now is Chuck (its awesome), so the car is
>> named "Charles" in honor of the previous owner, my daughter's desire, and
>> for Charles Runyon of TRF fame and legend.  Looking forward to bringing
>> another TR back to proper condition.   Please contact me off list if you
>> have a parts manual you are willing to sell to a good home.  
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4 (just won an AACA Grand National award)
>> 67 TR4A  CTC78218L0
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs  http://www.team.net/archive
>> 
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sat Aug 29 15:51:33 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search
In-Reply-To: <46EE599B-3FAF-46CA-84A1-259CF9C9F21B@gmail.com>
References: <B26CEB6B-8B1C-4D6D-8A9F-49F529FAF743@Ukpips.org.uk>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Aug 29 15:53:03 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 17:53:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid
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 I had one stuck once where I had to disconnect the battery.  I replaced it
- immediately !
Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2020 5:34 PM
To: Randall <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid

On a couple of occasions over the past several months when using the remote
button on the solenoid it has stuck on the on/crank mode.   When this
happens I just give it a good rap with a screwdriver handle and it quits.
Anyone  else have this issue, new solenoid, will this stop or get worse?
Thx,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 17:28:04 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 16:28:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid
In-Reply-To: <001b01d67e4e$c627e320$5277a960$@uprichard.net>
References: <0C124C9B-DF40-482A-88D7-F8FBB11FEDEA.ref@yahoo.com>
 <0C124C9B-DF40-482A-88D7-F8FBB11FEDEA@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CANzE1bGOk8byVzk_3fTkk7k+CfWQvO-8fi_L9+mukzLySeXuVw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

 I had one stuck once where I had to disconnect the battery.  I replaced it
> - immediately !t/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com>


I had one stick with the TR3 in gear.  I had to patiently wait until it had
finished driving over my right foot before I was able to leap across and
yank the negative cable.

Geo
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 18:32:55 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:32:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGOk8byVzk_3fTkk7k+CfWQvO-8fi_L9+mukzLySeXuVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANzE1bGOk8byVzk_3fTkk7k+CfWQvO-8fi_L9+mukzLySeXuVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D288A0FD-AE58-42A2-8DF4-34146DE20C2E@yahoo.com>

Thanks, I?ll contact the seller. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 29, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

?
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

>  I had one stuck once where I had to disconnect the battery.  I replaced it
> - immediately !t/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com

I had one stick with the TR3 in gear.  I had to patiently wait until it had finished driving over my right foot before I was able to leap across and yank the negative cable.

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 18:34:51 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:34:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Solenoid
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGOk8byVzk_3fTkk7k+CfWQvO-8fi_L9+mukzLySeXuVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANzE1bGOk8byVzk_3fTkk7k+CfWQvO-8fi_L9+mukzLySeXuVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10D41592-56DA-4C98-A1A9-A8F6D125C147@yahoo.com>

Geo,
Ouch, just a wack shut it off for me.   Has never happened when cranking with the key.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 29, 2020, at 6:28 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

?
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 2:59 PM <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

>  I had one stuck once where I had to disconnect the battery.  I replaced it
> - immediately !t/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com

I had one stick with the TR3 in gear.  I had to patiently wait until it had finished driving over my right foot before I was able to leap across and yank the negative cable.

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From aribertn at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 18:50:21 2020
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 20:50:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] tenax vs lift-a-dot
Message-ID: <CAGkVM29EgjMHXYyKsP4VHKLuaz+7BtLXkE4SC7g=oe9qn6YOtg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question concerning the retention capability of either system.  I
have had a chronic issue retaining the soft top at the base of the lock
pillar (B pillar) on my Spit bodied GT6.  After dealing with the non
retention of the snap at this location for the past 25+ years, I'm ready to
fix the issue.  I have replaced both halves of the stock snap several times
with no improvement.  Discounting originality (since neither system is
correct for my car, and there is already a whole lot of non stock with
respect to my car), which retention system Tenax (pull head away from
surface to release,
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.3AtTYQy0GXTf-EP8MyoN2AAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1
) or Lift-a-Dot (rotate retainer away from surface to release,
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Zu5yJ5eSoEK-5l8H6OJGYgHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1
) do you prefer - and why?   TIA, off in digest mode.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 19:00:25 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 20:00:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] tenax vs lift-a-dot
In-Reply-To: <CAGkVM29EgjMHXYyKsP4VHKLuaz+7BtLXkE4SC7g=oe9qn6YOtg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3FBDF4F9-E81A-445C-92EF-69CBB41FC568@yahoo.com>

I have never had problems with the LTD snaps around the cab or Tenax on the windscreen.  You might consider the trunbuckle/twistlock style. 

Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 29, 2020, at 7:52 PM, aribert neumann <aribertn at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I have a question concerning the retention capability of either system.  I have had a chronic issue retaining the soft top at the base of the lock pillar (B pillar) on my Spit bodied GT6.  After dealing with the non retention of the snap at this location for the past 25+ years, I'm ready to fix the issue.  I have replaced both halves of the stock snap several times with no improvement.  Discounting originality (since neither system is correct for my car, and there is already a whole lot of non stock with respect to my car), which retention system Tenax (pull head away from surface to release,  https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.3AtTYQy0GXTf-EP8MyoN2AAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=1 ) or Lift-a-Dot (rotate retainer away from surface to release,  https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Zu5yJ5eSoEK-5l8H6OJGYgHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1 ) do you prefer - and why?   TIA, off in digest mode.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 15:53:29 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:53:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
Message-ID: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>

Hello list:
Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL


From ryel at mac.com  Sun Aug 30 16:10:36 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 22:10:36 -0000
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
Message-ID: <0139fbde-b8c6-4e11-9ad8-dafacf324da7@me.com>

Not quite the same, but similar. On my TR3 I'm running?- 6 1/2" Panasport Wheels with?205/60R15 BF Goodrich Tires. ?I like the look, the stance and the performance.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On August 30, 2020 at 2:54 PM, "Jim Henningsen" <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list:
Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
TR4A. Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
Always loved the look of silverstones. Anyone know what size tire came on
the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s. 185X15? Looking for the
right "look" profile on the modern tires. Never liked the look of 185 or
195 65 15 on a TR. Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Sun Aug 30 16:19:08 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:19:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Body and EB number plates
References: <000901d67f1b$9512a540$bf37efc0$.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <000901d67f1b$9512a540$bf37efc0$@flash.net>

Years ago TRF used to offer to make these two plates, catalogue numbers
CNP38 & CNP39, but these show to be no longer available.  I know they were
made for TRF by someone that was on this list, but I do not recall who and
cannot find my receipt for the plate he made for me.  Now, I have a FB
friend that is looking for someone to make a plate for him, is anyone able
to do these now?

Thanks,

Bill B

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:29:59 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:29:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
In-Reply-To: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>
References: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwif6XfkTuS48+ymyEqHemb1FanjVtJ3gToBeMP_JGbvYA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim ~

Here's a photo of my still-in-progress TR3 with newly-installed 15 x 6 VTO
wheels and 195/65-R15 Vredesteins. Sorry you "don't like the way 185's or
195's look on a TR" but I am quite happy with this setup...

Dave Friedlander

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:54 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello list:
> Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
> TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
> Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
> the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
> right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
> 195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
> want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:33:42 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:33:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwif6XfkTuS48+ymyEqHemb1FanjVtJ3gToBeMP_JGbvYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwif6XfkTuS48+ymyEqHemb1FanjVtJ3gToBeMP_JGbvYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave. They look great.  I only do t like the look of 65 height tires without lowered springs.  Too much wheel well gap iMHO.   They look great with lowered springs.   Your car looks great!! 

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:30 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim ~
> 
> Here's a photo of my still-in-progress TR3 with newly-installed 15 x 6 VTO wheels and 195/65-R15 Vredesteins. Sorry you "don't like the way 185's or 195's look on a TR" but I am quite happy with this setup...
> 
> Dave Friedlander 
> 
>> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:54 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello list:
>> Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
>> TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
>> Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
>> the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
>> right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
>> 195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
>> want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 
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>> 
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 16:37:07 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 18:37:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwif6XfkTuS48+ymyEqHemb1FanjVtJ3gToBeMP_JGbvYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjZiXsMPw-2Kh4PxPZULwVZm2z0+1S1thT_TyNJJjGVyA@mail.gmail.com>

I see. I went +1 on my TR6 wheels to close up the front "wheel gap."

Dave

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 6:29 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jim ~
>
> Here's a photo of my still-in-progress TR3 with newly-installed 15 x 6 VTO
> wheels and 195/65-R15 Vredesteins. Sorry you "don't like the way 185's or
> 195's look on a TR" but I am quite happy with this setup...
>
> Dave Friedlander
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:54 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello list:
>> Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
>> TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
>> Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
>> the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
>> right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
>> 195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
>> want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sun Aug 30 16:46:12 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 16:46:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
In-Reply-To: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>
References: <00f401d67f17$ff25c8d0$fd715a70$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <312088E5-58FA-4C44-8999-E4D6192F587E@comcast.net>

Jim,

Not new wires but, how bout some original vintage Silverstones? They?ve been professionally trued, balanced, and powder coated. They are 15 x 5.5 wheels and have not had a tire mounted on them since all that was done so they are in perfect condition. I was going to use them on one of my TR4As but I started vintage racing and sold both of the TR4As so I don?t have any need for them. I would have put them on my TR6 but I didn?t like the look on a TR6, they look much better on a TR3, TR4 or a TR4A. I have the Nokofs spinners, both right and left for the Silverstones.

Bud




> On Aug 30, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello list:
> Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
> TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
> Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
> the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
> right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
> 195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
> want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
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Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
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From ryel at mac.com  Sun Aug 30 17:48:54 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 23:48:54 -0000
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
Message-ID: <ba3a5b15-045f-43fb-998f-7bc40cbf2175@me.com>

For what it's worth, I'm running 60 height tires, but I didn't change the ride height on my car, and don't have much gap with the fenders.

This is a Drive Your Triumph Day 2018 photo with my son and his dog down in Santa Cruz.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On August 30, 2020 at 3:41 PM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Dave. They look great. ?I only do t like the look of 65 height tires without lowered springs. ?Too much wheel well gap iMHO. ? They look great with lowered springs. ? Your car looks great!!?

On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:30 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Jim ~

Here's a photo of my still-in-progress TR3 with newly-installed 15 x 6 VTO wheels and 195/65-R15 Vredesteins. Sorry you "don't like the way 185's or 195's look on a TR" but I am quite happy with this setup...

Dave Friedlander?

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020, 5:54 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list:
Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
TR4A.? Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
Always loved the look of silverstones.? Anyone know what size tire came on
the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.? 185X15?? Looking for the
right "look" profile on the modern tires.? Never liked the look of 185 or
195 65 15 on a TR.? Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Aug 30 18:22:50 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 20:22:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search
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Looking forward to following your latest project. My stalled project that has just been started moving again, is also a 67 TR4A with Surrey top, that I bought from the original owner with only 36 000 miles. I do have one of the original Factory binder manuals and an original tool kit, but I am hanging on to it. The frame had rotted out from underneath mine but the interior was still so good, I planned to put it back in the car. Unfortunately, the carpet ripped in places where it was glued down. So a new Wilton wool carpet set is going in. The original owner was a doctor and she had eyebolts installed on the rear parcel shelf so she could transport her violin to playing gigs. The eyebolts Are staying because they are part of the history. She also referred to the car as a "he" with the rationale that guys refer to their cool rides as "she or her" so she felt it was only proper that her car be a "he". I love your story on the name you have chosen. Well done.

BTW, my wife's TR6 is also a 75. My TR4 is also a 62. However, my 57 TR3 is a 3, not a 3A. ?

Keith

Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> 
Sent: August 29, 2020 3:25 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A Parts manual search

List:
I'm looking for an original Stanpart three ring binder TR4A parts manual for my latest project car.  Yes, they are repros out there but I am a TR purist.
Its an unrestored 1967 TR4A with 72k original miles, factory OD and very
cool history.   An 80 year old couple near me owned it for the last 45
years.  It was her baby and I have decided to bring him back to proper condition.  The previous owner is named  Chuck (Charles), my daughters favorite streaming show right now is Chuck (its awesome), so the car is named "Charles" in honor of the previous owner, my daughter's desire, and for Charles Runyon of TRF fame and legend.  



From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 18:37:13 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:37:13 -0700
Subject: [TR] Body and EB number plates
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On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:19 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

...I know they were made for TRF by someone that was on this list, but I do
> not recall who...
>

My recollection is that Frank Angeli did these.

Sorry, I do not seem to have his email handy but he was active on the BCF
at one time and a search there may turn up a contact.  I think his
username was angelfj1.

Geo
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 18:39:15 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 17:39:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Body and EB number plates
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Correction - Frank Angelini, from  Downingtown, PA.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 5:37 PM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 3:19 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>
> wrote:
>
> ...I know they were made for TRF by someone that was on this list, but I
>> do not recall who...
>>
>
> My recollection is that Frank Angeli did these.
>
> Sorry, I do not seem to have his email handy but he was active on the BCF
> at one time and a search there may turn up a contact.  I think his
> username was angelfj1.
>
> Geo
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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 19:01:33 2020
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 21:01:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire size question
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I have a TR4 with original American Racing Silverstones 15x6. I am running 205-65-15 which is the closest to 165R15 circumference. 

> On Aug 30, 2020, at 5:53 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello list:
> Considering getting a set of VTO Silverstone 15 x 6 inch wheels for my 67
> TR4A.  Car came with wire wheels, but tired of the tubes, cleaning etc.
> Always loved the look of silverstones.  Anyone know what size tire came on
> the original Silverstone alloys back in the 60s.  185X15?  Looking for the
> right "look" profile on the modern tires.  Never liked the look of 185 or
> 195 65 15 on a TR.  Although, if anyone has a near new set of wires they
> want to sell, may be interested, Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
> 

From greg at gregoryd.com  Mon Aug 31 11:44:49 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 13:44:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] Wire wheel repair NYC/Tri-state area
Message-ID: <768FCED9-98A7-4ADA-A13A-5EBCB7E87E29@gregoryd.com>

Greetings,

 

I just discovered two broken spokes in one of the wire wheels on my TR4A.

 

(I now have a better understanding of Jim?s desire to move on from wire wheels.)

 

Although I?m capable of repairing the spokes and truing the wheel, I?d certainly consider paying someone else to do it.

 

Does anyone have a reference for someone who works on wire wheels in the New York City/Tri-state area?

 

--Greg

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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 12:40:12 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:40:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 9. Wire wheel repair NYC/Tri-state area (Greg)
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 HI Greg,
You can try Log Cabin Auto Services in Tenafly,NJ? 201-567-6297.??
They replaced my tires on wire wheels for the TR3 a few years ago, so maybe they can do the wheels as well.? Was tough to find someone to do the tires as no one had the machine for the tubes.? They knew what they were doing and I would use them again.
Ann
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 13:44:49 -0400
From: Greg <greg at gregoryd.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Wire wheel repair NYC/Tri-state area
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Greetings,

 

I just discovered two broken spokes in one of the wire wheels on my TR4A.

 

(I now have a better understanding of Jim?s desire to move on from wire wheels.)

 

Although I?m capable of repairing the spokes and truing the wheel, I?d certainly consider paying someone else to do it.

 

Does anyone have a reference for someone who works on wire wheels in the New York City/Tri-state area?

 

--Greg  
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From boleaver at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 14:01:50 2020
From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 14:01:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Inner tubes for TR4A 1965
Message-ID: <CAP2rSX4BBUX+ue-ntGE3H1G+hVHQ9U73D_qoPSdn_pY0Pmo9Lg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to figure out which inner tube size I need for my 165SR-15
tires. I have wire wheels and need tubes. I've checked around at the
tire stores and no one seems to know. Any ideas?

From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 20:19:02 2020
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 22:19:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inner tubes for TR4A 1965
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 22:31:17 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 23:31:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] Inner tubes for TR4A 1965
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Call Allen Hendrix at Hendrix Wire Wheels.  He knows. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:33 PM, Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Any questions or repair I need on wire wheels I depend on Allen Hendrix.
He is in Greensboro, NC.       336-852-8909
www.hendrixwirewheel.com
E-Mail   allen at hendrixwirewheel.com
 
Check his web site and then call him for questions. I have used him and all the guys I know with wire wheels has him true
And balance them. He can supply tires and tubes also.
One of the few left that knows how to true wheels and has the balance equipment to handle them.
 
Dean
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Bob Leaver
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 4:02 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Inner tubes for TR4A 1965
 
I'm trying to figure out which inner tube size I need for my 165SR-15
tires. I have wire wheels and need tubes. I've checked around at the
tire stores and no one seems to know. Any ideas?
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