From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 08:37:27 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:37:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
 histories....
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On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 7:03 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Question is, though, what the heck?  Swapping electronic ignition for points can cause such a huge timing differential?  ...Or am I all-muddled?????

Well, I don't know anything either, but that never stopped me.

My guess is that the trigger point for the electronic ignition,
relative to the lobes on the distributor shaft, is simply in a
different place than it would be for points.  So, changing nothing
other than what sits on the plate, the timing could be way off.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Mon Jul  1 08:51:34 2019
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:51:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
 histories....
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What Jeff said!
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 7:03 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Question is, though, what the heck?  Swapping electronic ignition for points can cause such a huge timing differential?  ...Or am I all-muddled?????
> 
> Well, I don't know anything either, but that never stopped me.
> 
> My guess is that the trigger point for the electronic ignition,
> relative to the lobes on the distributor shaft, is simply in a
> different place than it would be for points.  So, changing nothing
> other than what sits on the plate, the timing could be way off.
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 17:10:26 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:10:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tr7 8 seats
Message-ID: <5D2B3437-8814-4439-AF88-0E4AC721436F@gmail.com>

Anyone have a good used set of tr7 or. 8 seats.  I want a spare set to install and use with seat cover for normal driving to protect originals on an 81 low mileage.  
Tha nks 
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL 

Sent from my iPhone

From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 15:08:07 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 17:08:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
In-Reply-To: <YTXPR0101MB21891AEE4372D43168A3E026B6E10@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTXPR0101MB21891AEE4372D43168A3E026B6E10@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMcuJ55EybtwqKbJePgCdgPz3_0jUYM0o5ji_Xq-MpcvA@mail.gmail.com>

Late to the party, but I finally got to listen to this video.  It's got a
beat and you can dance to it, but it doesn't sound like any rod knock I've
ever heard.

If you had revved it up, i'd know for sure.  A nice, sharp "BRAAAPPPP"
would make me much more sure.  Without that, I say you've got other
problems.

Source:  I just spun #3 bearing in my Spitfire.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.


On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 11:33 PM David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
wrote:

> I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at
> idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here
>
>
>
> https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ
>
>
>
> I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after
> all this work?
>
>
>
> David
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  3 06:50:54 2019
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:50:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
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Hello all,
I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but will not start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to start but lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually have a strong smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have installed one of the carb heat shields but also no help. I assume it has to do with the carbs getting to hot above the exhaust manifolds, but I have spoken to others and they do not have this problem. This has been going on for years and would love any input to possible fixes.
Thank you,
Robert Rudolphi74 TR6
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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  3 08:26:28 2019
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (david brady)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 10:26:28 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
In-Reply-To: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Robert,

Sounds like your plugs are fouling. Have you tried a hotter heat range 
spark plug? Try a plug a few ranges hotter.

David Brady, TR250, CD8124L


On 07/03/2019 08:50 AM, robert rudolphi wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires 
> right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but 
> will not start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to 
> start but lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually 
> have a strong smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have 
> installed one of the carb heat shields but also no help. I assume it 
> has to do with the carbs getting to hot above the exhaust manifolds, 
> but I have spoken to others and they do not have this problem. This 
> has been going on for years and would love any input to possible fixes.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Robert Rudolphi
> 74 TR6
>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jul  3 11:55:12 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:55:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Marchal headlamp
Message-ID: <A6BBDD69-9EDD-49F5-BBCD-7B85981AF764@flash.net>

Not too long ago someone asked about replacement bulbs for a French Marchal headlamp unit.  I think I have one but now cannot find the thread.  

Would the listed that needed one kindly respond with the picture that was posted.  

All the best,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 13:08:43 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:08:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
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References: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I have a similar problem.  If I try to crank the car after sitting a
few minutes, it's hard to start.  If it sits longer, it will start
without a problem.

I attribute it to heat soaking of the carbs and fuel line...and I also
have a heat shield.  I haven't looked into the routing of the fuel
line yet - my solution is to just keep driving and never stop...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but will not start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to start but lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually have a strong smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have installed one of the carb heat shields but also no help. I assume it has to do with the carbs getting to hot above the exhaust manifolds, but I have spoken to others and they do not have this problem. This has been going on for years and would love any input to possible fixes.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Robert Rudolphi
> 74 TR6
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul  3 13:24:08 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:24:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
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References: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7COTHcEdGnvBNL3ScgPzyOKnd7uJRnxT00P0Titi8YHimg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1067638293.582389.1562181848429@connect.xfinity.com>

Yes, sounds like vapor lock.  I'd do whatever it takes to keep the system cool.  I have a heat shield on my TR3 street/race car and I attached stick-on heat protector matting, with a couple rivets for extra hold, on the exhaust side of the ARE heat shield for added protection.  It works great.  The heat difference is huge. 
My fuel line is routed away from the engine and along the inner fender.  I think it's good to not have fuel lines near hot exhaust.  A small leak could really spoil things.  
Dave H.  
> On July 3, 2019 at 12:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have a similar problem.  If I try to crank the car after sitting a
> few minutes, it's hard to start.  If it sits longer, it will start
> without a problem.
> 
> I attribute it to heat soaking of the carbs and fuel line...and I also
> have a heat shield.  I haven't looked into the routing of the fuel
> line yet - my solution is to just keep driving and never stop...
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but will not start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to start but lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually have a strong smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have installed one of the carb heat shields but also no help. I assume it has to do with the carbs getting to hot above the exhaust manifolds, but I have spoken to others and they do not have this problem. This has been going on for years and would love any input to possible fixes.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Robert Rudolphi
> > 74 TR6
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jul  3 13:37:18 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 15:37:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
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References: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAO8Q7COTHcEdGnvBNL3ScgPzyOKnd7uJRnxT00P0Titi8YHimg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2b481bb-99e1-9621-df5a-883efc3917f2@verizon.net>

been here..done this.... (bhdt?? vs btdt)?? everyone calls it
heat soak...not sure that's the right term.

It's a simple issue...and can be tested to see it it applies to
your situation. when HOT and you shut down.... the hot fuel
in in the bowls want to evaporate, expanding and pushes gas
up and out of the jets into the intake. In essence...
your engine floods.

Pop off an air filter...lift a piston and open the throttle...stuff a
1/4" fuel line through and blow fresh air into the manifold to
evap some of the raw fuel and fumes. odds are it'll start right up.

How I got around it was an electric fuel pump.... with a switch!
As I'd pull into a parking lot as an example, I'd reach over and kill
the fuel pump. The last 1-2 minutes of the engine running would
lower the level of the fuel in the float bowls.???? I've never had
the problem since.

ymmv

ptegler


On 7/3/2019 3:08 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> I have a similar problem.  If I try to crank the car after sitting a
> few minutes, it's hard to start.  If it sits longer, it will start
> without a problem.
>
> I attribute it to heat soaking of the carbs and fuel line...and I also
> have a heat shield.  I haven't looked into the routing of the fuel
> line yet - my solution is to just keep driving and never stop...
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but will not start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to start but lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually have a strong smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have installed one of the carb heat shields but also no help. I assume it has to do with the carbs getting to hot above the exhaust manifolds, but I have spoken to others and they do not have this problem. This has been going on for years and would love any input to possible fixes.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Robert Rudolphi
>> 74 TR6
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From alansalvy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 16:16:09 2019
From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:16:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 will not start when hot
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References: <2085931729.2394410.1562158254719.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <CAO8Q7COTHcEdGnvBNL3ScgPzyOKnd7uJRnxT00P0Titi8YHimg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have had the same problem before and it turned out to be the coil was
going bad.

Al

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 3:24 PM DAVE HOGYE <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yes, sounds like vapor lock.  I'd do whatever it takes to keep the system
> cool.  I have a heat shield on my TR3 street/race car and I attached
> stick-on heat protector matting, with a couple rivets for extra hold, on
> the exhaust side of the ARE heat shield for added protection.  It works
> great.  The heat difference is huge.
> My fuel line is routed away from the engine and along the inner fender.  I
> think it's good to not have fuel lines near hot exhaust.  A small leak
> could really spoil things.
> Dave H.
> > On July 3, 2019 at 12:08 PM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have a similar problem.  If I try to crank the car after sitting a
> > few minutes, it's hard to start.  If it sits longer, it will start
> > without a problem.
> >
> > I attribute it to heat soaking of the carbs and fuel line...and I also
> > have a heat shield.  I haven't looked into the routing of the fuel
> > line yet - my solution is to just keep driving and never stop...
> >
> > Jeff Scarbrough
> > Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 8:51 AM robert rudolphi <robertrudolphi at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I am having trouble getting my TR6 to start when hot. It always fires
> right up when cold but after a drive it just cranks and cranks but will not
> start. I usually keep the throttle wide open when trying to start but
> lately that does not seem to make a difference. I usually have a strong
> smell of gas after cranking for a while. I have installed one of the carb
> heat shields but also no help. I assume it has to do with the carbs getting
> to hot above the exhaust manifolds, but I have spoken to others and they do
> not have this problem. This has been going on for years and would love any
> input to possible fixes.
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Robert Rudolphi
> > > 74 TR6
> > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > >
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From staffel at comcast.net  Wed Jul  3 17:27:44 2019
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2019 19:27:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 not starting when hot
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1562196467.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Typical symptoms of an ignition?coil going bad. Starts when cold, then stops running won't start when hot. You smell fuel cause pump is loading cylinders but ignition not firing the plugs.Sherman D TaffelSent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  4 07:06:05 2019
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 09:06:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Brake caliper bolts
Message-ID: <1125055175.687970.1562245565743@connect.xfinity.com>

List,


What was the consensus on the proper torque for the bolts securing the two halves of the TR brake calipers? 30 and 40 or 35 and 45?


Thanks,


Ed Woods
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Thu Jul  4 12:37:21 2019
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:37:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Heat Shields for Triumphs.  Triumph TR6
Message-ID: <4CF8FD5C-B390-449A-8E42-D4C8B87F2CBF@cs.com>

Triumph Owners,

Watching the recent thread.....we now have a Generation II Heatshield for the TR6. We will be shipping to Moss and other distributors, shortly.

Gen I is a front mount to the carburetors and is Stainless Steel.

Gen II is a back mount to the carburetor and is Aluminum.

We have spent a great deal of time in development, examining the running factory changes, to get the rotational clearances correct. We discovered that the design was not easy, but we are pleased with the results. 

Watch for it at Moss and our website. In the meantime, we still will Offer the front mount version.

They DO make a difference.

Thanks,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 14:15:27 2019
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:15:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
Message-ID: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>

	Last Friday afternoon my wife Denise and accepted an invitation from Car Talk to attend the unveiling of a plaque in "Hahvahd Squayah" honoring Tom Magliozzi. As most of you know, Tom was one half of Click and Clack on the long running NPR show Car Talk.  There was a crowd of about 100 people and Ray Magliozzi greeted everyone individually.  I?ve listened to Car Talk for the entire run of the show and now listen to weekly podcasts.  When I had my old 240Z I used to repair it at their do-it-yourself garage, Hackers Haven when I was on the outs with my father and couldn?t use his garage. .  Ray said Tommy talked him into opening Hackers Haven telling him that they would be taking money out by the wheelbarrow load.  As it turned out Ray said, they couldn?t even afford the wheelbarrow.  
	In the two or three times I?ve met Tom and Ray over the years they have been exactly the same in person as they are on the show, funny warm and off beat.  The evening was just as you might imagine a Car Talk event to be.  Brattle Street was closed off, there was a short funny ceremony, a great rock and roll band, and free dinner for everyone.  Two guys drove up from North Carolina, and two couples, one each from California and  Oregon attended.
	I?ve always loved listening to Car Talk and Tom was actually the one who told me that a TR6 would be a great car to buy.  Wether it was a woman looking for advice about her significant other, a world class physicist trying to explain a care related phenomenon, an astronaut explaining the tools they used on the Hubble Telescope, or a simple car question they always made me laugh out loud.  I thought I?d share my experience.
	Best,
	Bob Rochlin 

ps. The latin at the bottom of the plaque is their motto.  It translates to ?unimpeded by the thought process?




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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jul  5 14:32:53 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:32:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
In-Reply-To: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>
References: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000b01d53370$d2b8d560$782a8020$@flash.net>

Bob,

Thanks for the share, I still have all the tracks from ?Why you should never listen to your father when it comes to cars? CD.  My favorite cut is ?Remember that time your car blew up, Dad??.  Right behind Click & Clack are all the great Spinal Tappets songs(?), always a smile with these two groups.

Bill

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rochlin Robert
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 3:15 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Car Talk

 

            Last Friday afternoon my wife Denise and accepted an invitation from Car Talk to attend the unveiling of a plaque in "Hahvahd Squayah" honoring Tom Magliozzi. As most of you know, Tom was one half of Click and Clack on the long running NPR show Car Talk.  There was a crowd of about 100 people and Ray Magliozzi greeted everyone individually.  I?ve listened to Car Talk for the entire run of the show and now listen to weekly podcasts.  When I had my old 240Z I used to repair it at their do-it-yourself garage, Hackers Haven when I was on the outs with my father and couldn?t use his garage. .  Ray said Tommy talked him into opening Hackers Haven telling him that they would be taking money out by the wheelbarrow load.  As it turned out Ray said, they couldn?t even afford the wheelbarrow.  

            In the two or three times I?ve met Tom and Ray over the years they have been exactly the same in person as they are on the show, funny warm and off beat.  The evening was just as you might imagine a Car Talk event to be.  Brattle Street was closed off, there was a short funny ceremony, a great rock and roll band, and free dinner for everyone.  Two guys drove up from North Carolina, and two couples, one each from California and  Oregon attended.

            I?ve always loved listening to Car Talk and Tom was actually the one who told me that a TR6 would be a great car to buy.  Wether it was a woman looking for advice about her significant other, a world class physicist trying to explain a care related phenomenon, an astronaut explaining the tools they used on the Hubble Telescope, or a simple car question they always made me laugh out loud.  I thought I?d share my experience.

            Best,

            Bob Rochlin 

 

ps. The latin at the bottom of the plaque is their motto.  It translates to ?unimpeded by the thought process?

 





 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 15:43:31 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Spring Time in the Smith Garage
Message-ID: <1778238054.778020.1562363011904@connect.xfinity.com>

Spark issue is solved (bad electronic ignition).  Resulting overheating problem is solved (timing/mixture issue).  Yet driving an hour in today's heat, the temp needle stayed normal, but the car was a trifle slow to start when I got back to it.  Put the pedal all the way down and it fired up, but engine fluttered at low RPM's until I'd reved it for a short time.  Sounds like classic vapor lock.  Afterwards, the car runs smooth and with great power and acceleration, except idle moves a bit up and down and engine stumbles sometimes at low RPM.  When I got home I pulled the plugs and found no black, so apparently I'm not running too rich.  Two questions:


One:  the obvious.  Pulling the air cleaners off, I found I'd forgotten to put the springs back on that hold the jet assembly to the carb.  Duh.  So what are the symptoms of that, other than low scores on IQ tests?


Two:  the probably obvious.  I'd rerouted the fuel lines under the hood.  They now go over the thermostat area.  I've encased the tubing in slitted fuel line to give them some insulation, but it hasn't solved what seems to be vapor lock.  I do have the aftermarket insulative plate under the carbs to bank heat off the manifold.  I have a fan I could install that might bring the temp down after engine shutdown but that seems a cheating type fix.


Three:  the awful.  It could be a vacuum leak, I suppose.  Please, nobody suggest it is because then it might be true....ugh.


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jul  5 19:59:56 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 20:59:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spring Time in the Smith Garage
In-Reply-To: <1778238054.778020.1562363011904@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1778238054.778020.1562363011904@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <22DCAE5E-82C8-4132-A321-2FC1045E18CA@ca.rr.com>

Which springs are you talking about? There's a compression spring on the jet housing that just keeps the mixture but from moving. And an extension spring to the side that returns the jets to the non-choke position after using the choke.

People use the term "vapor lock" to cover a lot of different actual problems. True vapor lock (IMO) is when the fuel boils before reaching the fuel pump (or inside the pump). The pump is not effective at moving vapor (hence quits pumping and becomes vapor locked).
I've never seen that on a TR. And rerouting the line after the pump wouldn't help if that was the problem.

Your problem sounds more like percolation, where fuel boils in the jets and pushes liquid fuel out into the carb throats. (Like an old fashioned coffee percolator.) If so, anything that helps keep the jets cooler will help.

I might try rerouting the fuel line to the stock location, under the thermostat housing (where its cooler); and adding more insulation to the heat shield.

Not sure why the fan is "cheating"; the problem is caused because we can't buy " summer" gas any more. Any method to adapt to available fuel seems valid to me. (My intention, if I ever get back to that point, is to make the electric fan keep running for 5 or 10 minutes after shutdown.)

A vacuum leak would make it start easier with the choke. Have you tried that?
-- Randall

On 5 July 2019 16:43:31 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>Spark issue is solved (bad electronic ignition).  Resulting overheating
>problem is solved (timing/mixture issue).  Yet driving an hour in
>today's heat, the temp needle stayed normal, but the car was a trifle
>slow to start when I got back to it.  Put the pedal all the way down
>and it fired up, but engine fluttered at low RPM's until I'd reved it
>for a short time.  Sounds like classic vapor lock.  Afterwards, the car
>runs smooth and with great power and acceleration, except idle moves a
>bit up and down and engine stumbles sometimes at low RPM.  When I got
>home I pulled the plugs and found no black, so apparently I'm not
>running too rich.  Two questions:
>
>
>One:  the obvious.  Pulling the air cleaners off, I found I'd forgotten
>to put the springs back on that hold the jet assembly to the carb. 
>Duh.  So what are the symptoms of that, other than low scores on IQ
>tests?
>
>
>Two:  the probably obvious.  I'd rerouted the fuel lines under the
>hood.  They now go over the thermostat area.  I've encased the tubing
>in slitted fuel line to give them some insulation, but it hasn't solved
>what seems to be vapor lock.  I do have the aftermarket insulative
>plate under the carbs to bank heat off the manifold.  I have a fan I
>could install that might bring the temp down after engine shutdown but
>that seems a cheating type fix.
>
>
>Three:  the awful.  It could be a vacuum leak, I suppose.  Please,
>nobody suggest it is because then it might be true....ugh.
>
>
>Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
>New Hampshire
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jul  6 08:00:01 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Spring Time in the Smith Garage
In-Reply-To: <22DCAE5E-82C8-4132-A321-2FC1045E18CA@ca.rr.com>
References: <1778238054.778020.1562363011904@connect.xfinity.com>
 <22DCAE5E-82C8-4132-A321-2FC1045E18CA@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <48677153.784453.1562421602019@connect.xfinity.com>

Hmmm.  As ever, thank you, Randall.  Yep, forgot about the choke spring.  Was intending to describe the jet housing one.  Never knew there was a distinction that separates vapor lock from percolation (a new term to me).  Felt I would be "cheating" with a fan only because I had a new problem but would be addressing it but not fixing it directly.


I'll redirect the fuel line.  Tell me, how does one add extra insulation to the heat shield? 


With the jet housing springs loose, would I be correct in assuming there would be some erratic variations in mixture and might these for some reason be more pronounced at idle?


Thanks again,

Terry

> On July 5, 2019 at 9:59 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>     Which springs are you talking about? There's a compression spring on the jet housing that just keeps the mixture but from moving. And an extension spring to the side that returns the jets to the non-choke position after using the choke.
> 
>     People use the term "vapor lock" to cover a lot of different actual problems. True vapor lock (IMO) is when the fuel boils before reaching the fuel pump (or inside the pump). The pump is not effective at moving vapor (hence quits pumping and becomes vapor locked).
>     I've never seen that on a TR. And rerouting the line after the pump wouldn't help if that was the problem.
> 
>     Your problem sounds more like percolation, where fuel boils in the jets and pushes liquid fuel out into the carb throats. (Like an old fashioned coffee percolator.) If so, anything that helps keep the jets cooler will help.
> 
>     I might try rerouting the fuel line to the stock location, under the thermostat housing (where its cooler); and adding more insulation to the heat shield.
> 
>     Not sure why the fan is "cheating"; the problem is caused because we can't buy " summer" gas any more. Any method to adapt to available fuel seems valid to me. (My intention, if I ever get back to that point, is to make the electric fan keep running for 5 or 10 minutes after shutdown.)
> 
>     A vacuum leak would make it start easier with the choke. Have you tried that?
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 5 July 2019 16:43:31 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Spark issue is solved (bad electronic ignition).  Resulting overheating problem is solved (timing/mixture issue).  Yet driving an hour in today's heat, the temp needle stayed normal, but the car was a trifle slow to start when I got back to it.  Put the pedal all the way down and it fired up, but engine fluttered at low RPM's until I'd reved it for a short time.  Sounds like classic vapor lock.  Afterwards, the car runs smooth and with great power and acceleration, except idle moves a bit up and down and engine stumbles sometimes at low RPM.  When I got home I pulled the plugs and found no black, so apparently I'm not running too rich.  Two questions:
> > 
> > 
> >         One:  the obvious.  Pulling the air cleaners off, I found I'd forgotten to put the springs back on that hold the jet assembly to the carb.  Duh.  So what are the symptoms of that, other than low scores on IQ tests?
> > 
> > 
> >         Two:  the probably obvious.  I'd rerouted the fuel lines under the hood.  They now go over the thermostat area.  I've encased the tubing in slitted fuel line to give them some insulation, but it hasn't solved what seems to be vapor lock.  I do have the aftermarket insulative plate under the carbs to bank heat off the manifold.  I have a fan I could install that might bring the temp down after engine shutdown but that seems a cheating type fix.
> > 
> > 
> >         Three:  the awful.  It could be a vacuum leak, I suppose.  Please, nobody suggest it is because then it might be true....ugh.
> > 
> > 
> >         Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> > 
> >         New Hampshire
> > 
> >     > 


 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Jul  6 17:01:29 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:01:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] look what HP chose for this very recent email ad....
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good chuckle... look what car HP used for this recent email campaign

ptegler

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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Sat Jul  6 18:03:06 2019
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:03:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag A/C
Message-ID: <000001d53457$5bbdc460$13394d20$@flash.net>

I admit that everything I know about Stags I have learned from this list,
and probably even then did not pay close attention as I did not have one.

 

Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
Can AC be efficiently installed?  

I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
car?  

After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?

 

Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
greatly appreciated.

 

Best,

Bill B

TS30800L

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  6 19:38:49 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 01:38:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
In-Reply-To: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>
References: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2012659689.2436032.1562463529322@mail.yahoo.com>

 what a cool day.i too have listened, laughed and guessed at the riddles and especially trying to diagnosing the problems people would call in before they would announce their diagnosis.the world is a less funny place without Tom.
Frank



    On Friday, July 5, 2019, 01:18:44 PM PDT, Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
  Last Friday afternoon my wife Denise and accepted an invitation from Car Talk to attend the unveiling of a plaque in "Hahvahd Squayah" honoring Tom Magliozzi. As most of you know, Tom was one half of Click and Clack on the long running NPR show Car Talk. ?There was a crowd of about 100 people and Ray Magliozzi greeted everyone individually. ?I?ve listened to Car Talk for the entire run of the show and now listen to weekly podcasts. ?When I had my old 240Z I used to repair it at their do-it-yourself garage, Hackers Haven when I was on the outs with my father and couldn?t use his garage. . ?Ray said Tommy talked him into opening Hackers Haven telling him that they would be taking money out by the wheelbarrow load. ?As it turned out Ray said, they couldn?t even afford the wheelbarrow. ? In the two or three times I?ve met Tom and Ray over the years they have been exactly the same in person as they are on the show, funny warm and off beat. ?The evening was just as you might imagine a Car Talk event to be. ?Brattle Street was closed off, there was a short funny ceremony, a great rock and roll band, and free dinner for everyone. ?Two guys drove up from North Carolina, and two couples, one each from California and ?Oregon attended. I?ve always loved listening to Car Talk and Tom was actually the one who told me that a TR6 would be a great car to buy. ?Wether it was a woman looking for advice about her significant other, a world class physicist trying to explain a care related phenomenon, an astronaut explaining the tools they used on the Hubble Telescope, or a simple car question they always made me laugh out loud. ?I thought I?d share my experience. Best, Bob Rochlin?
ps. The latin at the bottom of the plaque is their motto. ?It translates to ?unimpeded by the thought process?

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From fmags at cox.net  Sun Jul  7 13:54:50 2019
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 14:54:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag A/C
Message-ID: <5F8C652E-5C1F-4875-AF24-D097C77DE707@cox.net>

Hi Bill,

All good questions.

Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C.  I don't recall the manufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.  If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.  When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational.  It works well and blows ice cold air.

Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.  Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.  But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you'd think.

One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual with overdrive.  There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.

There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want.  TR8 V8 conversion also.

Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns heads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.

Hope this helps,
Frank
'72 Stag


> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
> Can AC be efficiently installed?  
> 
> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
> car?  
> 
> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
> 
> 
> 
> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
> greatly appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Bill B
> 
> TS30800L


From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:50:14 2019
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (david hammond)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 13:50:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
In-Reply-To: <5F8C652E-5C1F-4875-AF24-D097C77DE707@cox.net>
References: <5F8C652E-5C1F-4875-AF24-D097C77DE707@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D6A5C8E8-38D2-4402-8E92-C6F58D2A5285@gmail.com>

Are there anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 into a stag?
David

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> All good questions.
> 
> Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C.  I don't recall the manufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.  If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.  When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational.  It works well and blows ice cold air.
> 
> Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.  Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.  But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you'd think.
> 
> One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual with overdrive.  There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.
> 
> There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want.  TR8 V8 conversion also.
> 
> Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns heads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Frank
> '72 Stag
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> 
>> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
>> Can AC be efficiently installed?  
>> 
>> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
>> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
>> car?  
>> 
>> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Bill B
>> 
>> TS30800L
> 
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From fmags at cox.net  Sun Jul  7 14:52:28 2019
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 15:52:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
In-Reply-To: <D6A5C8E8-38D2-4402-8E92-C6F58D2A5285@gmail.com>
References: <5F8C652E-5C1F-4875-AF24-D097C77DE707@cox.net>
 <D6A5C8E8-38D2-4402-8E92-C6F58D2A5285@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E20BB80-1953-46F6-94BA-4580A0981F4F@cox.net>

I believe there is or was at one time.  I had a neighbor of mine that converted his Stag to a Rover V8 with a kit he got in the UK.

Frank

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 7, 2019, at 3:50 PM, david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are there anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 into a stag?
> David
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Bill,
>> 
>> All good questions.
>> 
>> Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C.  I don't recall the manufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.  If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.  When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational.  It works well and blows ice cold air.
>> 
>> Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.  Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.  But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you'd think.
>> 
>> One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual with overdrive.  There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.
>> 
>> There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want.  TR8 V8 conversion also.
>> 
>> Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns heads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> Frank
>> '72 Stag
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
>>> Can AC be efficiently installed?  
>>> 
>>> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
>>> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
>>> car?  
>>> 
>>> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
>>> greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Bill B
>>> 
>>> TS30800L
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 16:38:20 2019
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 18:38:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
In-Reply-To: <000b01d53370$d2b8d560$782a8020$@flash.net>
References: <65B95012-9CA6-4B15-B24F-4063B7D7D63E@comcast.net>
 <000b01d53370$d2b8d560$782a8020$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPsHkhq4-RZxNLoacyvrbyyaGpRnHzzNWdEoie4wHHqOuw@mail.gmail.com>

 Bob, Bill, et al,
I love Click & Clack! I had wondered if they used some sort of laughing gas
to guffaw so much?
Do they have any significant Triumph Contributions?  Aren't they
categorized as such maybe at their web site? I forget the URL...
Paul Dorsey
15-20 year restoration (who's countin?)

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:36 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Thanks for the share, I still have all the tracks from ?Why you should
> never listen to your father when it comes to cars? CD.  My favorite cut is
> ?Remember that time your car blew up, Dad??.  Right behind Click & Clack
> are all the great Spinal Tappets songs(?), always a smile with these two
> groups.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Rochlin
> Robert
> *Sent:* Friday, July 5, 2019 3:15 PM
> *To:* Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Car Talk
>
>
>
>             Last Friday afternoon my wife Denise and accepted an
> invitation from Car Talk to attend the unveiling of a plaque in "Hahvahd
> Squayah" honoring Tom Magliozzi. As most of you know, Tom was one half of
> Click and Clack on the long running NPR show Car Talk.  There was a crowd
> of about 100 people and Ray Magliozzi greeted everyone individually.  I?ve
> listened to Car Talk for the entire run of the show and now listen to
> weekly podcasts.  When I had my old 240Z I used to repair it at their
> do-it-yourself garage, Hackers Haven when I was on the outs with my father
> and couldn?t use his garage. .  Ray said Tommy talked him into opening
> Hackers Haven telling him that they would be taking money out by the
> wheelbarrow load.  As it turned out Ray said, they couldn?t even afford the
> wheelbarrow.
>
>             In the two or three times I?ve met Tom and Ray over the years
> they have been exactly the same in person as they are on the show, funny
> warm and off beat.  The evening was just as you might imagine a Car Talk
> event to be.  Brattle Street was closed off, there was a short funny
> ceremony, a great rock and roll band, and free dinner for everyone.  Two
> guys drove up from North Carolina, and two couples, one each from
> California and  Oregon attended.
>
>             I?ve always loved listening to Car Talk and Tom was actually
> the one who told me that a TR6 would be a great car to buy.  Wether it was
> a woman looking for advice about her significant other, a world class
> physicist trying to explain a care related phenomenon, an astronaut
> explaining the tools they used on the Hubble Telescope, or a simple car
> question they always made me laugh out loud.  I thought I?d share my
> experience.
>
>             Best,
>
>             Bob Rochlin
>
>
>
> ps. The latin at the bottom of the plaque is their motto.  It translates
> to ?unimpeded by the thought process?
>
>
>
>
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>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Jul  7 20:26:56 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:26:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
Message-ID: <c0b7831f-edbb-16ef-eceb-711ec8d69b87@dfn.com>

... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is 
on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958 
TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight 
modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.? The owner, 
quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of 
saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"? (the engine in the 10 was a 
948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never 
shared with Ferguson).

Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for 
that in 1958. :)


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jul  7 20:30:11 2019
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 22:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
In-Reply-To: <c0b7831f-edbb-16ef-eceb-711ec8d69b87@dfn.com>
References: <c0b7831f-edbb-16ef-eceb-711ec8d69b87@dfn.com>
Message-ID: <106176779.199619.1562553011593@myemail.cox.net>

I never watch that show.  I think Wayne Carini (sp) is a phony.


> On July 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is 
> on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958 
> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight 
> modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.? The owner, 
> quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of 
> saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"? (the engine in the 10 was a 
> 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never 
> shared with Ferguson).
> 
> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for 
> that in 1958. :)
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
> 
> 
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> 
> 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jul  7 20:56:16 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 22:56:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
In-Reply-To: <106176779.199619.1562553011593@myemail.cox.net>
References: <c0b7831f-edbb-16ef-eceb-711ec8d69b87@dfn.com>
 <106176779.199619.1562553011593@myemail.cox.net>
Message-ID: <3ef328ff-ee16-3cb2-e22c-c2443c375db9@verizon.net>

??? a phony what??? I don't get the channel so don't weatch the show 
either....

But on the way to Lime Rock our Spit road trip crew spent 1/2 a day at 
Waynes shop... mind boggling collection of rare?? autos packed int othe 
shop.?? I'd take the Dino, or '34 BMW or half the other cars in his show 
room any day!?? Whether he himself is what is presented on TV (I don't 
know) but in person we had a great time. He took the time out of a 
rushed schedule to look at our Spits, pose for pics, and give us a tour 
even though the whole shop was busy getting cars ready for concurs at 
Lime Rock (which he did win...a 1934 Lincoln Limo?).

Wayne and our Spit road trip crew


On 7/7/2019 10:30 PM, JOE CURRY wrote:
> I never watch that show.  I think Wayne Carini (sp) is a phony.
>
>
>> On July 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is
>> on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958
>> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight
>> modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.?? The owner,
>> quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of
>> saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"?? (the engine in the 10 was a
>> 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never
>> shared with Ferguson).
>>
>> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for
>> that in 1958. :)
>>
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Michael Porter
>> Roswell, NM
>>
>>
>> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
>>
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Jul  7 21:09:18 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 21:09:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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On 7/7/2019 8:56 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> ??? a phony what??? I don't get the channel so don't weatch the show 
> either....
>
> But on the way to Lime Rock our Spit road trip crew spent 1/2 a day at 
> Waynes shop...
>
Umm, some confusion here, maybe.? The program I referred to was "My 
Classic Car."? I think the program with Wayne Carini is "Chasing Classic 
Cars."


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jul  7 21:13:03 2019
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 23:13:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
In-Reply-To: <3ef328ff-ee16-3cb2-e22c-c2443c375db9@verizon.net>
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He never reveals what he pays for the cars or what he sells them for, leading many (including myself) to believe he is a rip-off artist.


> On July 7, 2019 at 10:56 PM Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     ??? a phony what??? I don't get the channel so don't weatch the show either....
> 
>     But on the way to Lime Rock our Spit road trip crew spent 1/2 a day at Waynes shop... mind boggling collection of rare?? autos packed int othe shop.?? I'd take the Dino, or '34 BMW or half the other cars in his show room any day!?? Whether he himself is what is presented on TV (I don't know) but in person we had a great time. He took the time out of a rushed schedule to look at our Spits, pose for pics, and give us a tour even though the whole shop was busy getting cars ready for concurs at Lime Rock (which he did win...a 1934 Lincoln Limo?).
> 
>     [Wayne and our       Spit road trip crew]
> 
> 
>     On 7/7/2019 10:30 PM, JOE CURRY wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I never watch that show.  I think Wayne Carini (sp) is a phony.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On July 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> mailto:mdporter at dfn.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is 
> > >             on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958 
> > >             TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight 
> > >             modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.?? The owner, 
> > >             quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of 
> > >             saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"?? (the engine in the 10 was a 
> > >             948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never 
> > >             shared with Ferguson).
> > > 
> > >             Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for 
> > >             that in 1958. :)
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Cheers.
> > >             -- 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Michael Porter
> > >             Roswell, NM
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> > > 
> > > 
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 21:43:18 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 20:43:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:41 PM Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:


> Do they have any significant Triumph Contributions?
>

One of them (I believe it was Tom) told a long & very funny story about
losing a wheel on his TR6.  The story ends with him sliding into a filling
station on 3 tires and a disc and saying to the attendant... 'Fill 'er up'.

Geo
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 04:57:52 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 06:57:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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What's an "attendant"?   ?

Dave

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:02 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:41 PM Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Do they have any significant Triumph Contributions?
>>
>
> One of them (I believe it was Tom) told a long & very funny story about
> losing a wheel on his TR6.  The story ends with him sliding into a filling
> station on 3 tires and a disc and saying to the attendant... 'Fill 'er up'.
>
> Geo
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jul  8 05:40:05 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:40:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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 That's that kid in New Jersey who knows much less about your car but is much more "qualified" to fill your tank.
Go figure.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 5:59 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Car Talk

What's an "attendant"?? ??
Dave
On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:02 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:41 PM Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
?
Do they have any significant Triumph Contributions??

One of them (I believe it was Tom) told a long & very funny story about losing a wheel on his TR6.? The story ends with him sliding into a filling station on 3 tires and a disc and saying to the attendant... 'Fill 'er up'.

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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Mon Jul  8 06:10:55 2019
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:10:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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As luck would have it, this weeks Car Talk Podcast (#1920 "Crushed Cans and Loose Lug Nuts?) Tom describes the TR250 incident.  This is also his basis for telling me 20 years ago ?A Triumph would be good car for you, they?re indestructible."
	Best,
	Bob

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 6:57 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's an "attendant"?   ?
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:02 AM Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com <mailto:ahwahneetr at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 3:41 PM Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com <mailto:dorpaul1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Do they have any significant Triumph Contributions? 
> 
> One of them (I believe it was Tom) told a long & very funny story about losing a wheel on his TR6.  The story ends with him sliding into a filling station on 3 tires and a disc and saying to the attendant... 'Fill 'er up'.
> 
> Geo
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Mon Jul  8 07:13:23 2019
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 09:13:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] : Re:  For those getting the...
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JOE CURRY wrote:

>He never reveals what he pays for the cars or what he sells them for,
leading many (including myself) to believe he is a rip-off artist.

   

So if somebody sells a car for more than they paid for it they are ripping
someone off?  How would you do it Joe? 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jul  8 07:37:52 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:37:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] : Re:  For those getting the...
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?Ripoff? might be a bit strong but when I watch these shows I like to know what the start and ending costs are, as well as the selling price.  Or, just watch something else. 
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:13 AM, <dctr6 at optonline.net> <dctr6 at optonline.net> wrote:

JOE CURRY wrote:
>He never reveals what he pays for the cars or what he sells them for, leading many (including myself) to believe he is a rip-off artist.
  
So if somebody sells a car for more than they paid for it they are ripping someone off?  How would you do it Joe?
Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY 1976 TR6 CF57948U
 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Mon Jul  8 08:34:30 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:34:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
Message-ID: <050201d5359a$40fbd7e0$c2f387a0$@bell.net>

Could not find a recent episode from upstate NY. The most recent seems to be from SC. There were a few Standard 10s at the 2012 Canadian International Auto Show celebration of Standard Triumph exhibition. They were owned by a gentleman named Freeman from New York state. Was the car any of these? The first two are 57s (an estate and a truck), the third is a 59 two-tone, and the fourth is a blue van.



 



 



 



 



 



 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

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From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> 
Sent: July 7, 2019 10:27 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...

 

... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958

TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.  The owner, quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"  (the engine in the 10 was a 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never shared with Ferguson).

 

Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for that in 1958. :)

 

 

Cheers.

 

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Michael Porter

Roswell, NM

 

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 09:01:32 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 08:01:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwiJXtz23XwZSYDx0_7YhXzdkc+K368zpWdfY+9xa04UUA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
> What's an "attendant"?

The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your 
car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.

TeriAnn

-- 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Jul  8 09:26:46 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:26:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
Message-ID: <978625521.749492.1562599606496@connect.xfinity.com>

Here's a pic I ran across of Randall's? heat shield. 


What I notice is that the vacuum advance pipe ends in a female.  Is so's to make disconnecting easier and save those fragile aluminum thread in the carb body? 


Terry Smith

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jul  8 09:35:59 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:35:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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 My experience is that when you ask for mid-grade or premium and the last guy got regular the attendant will shake the offending regular gas out of the nozzle onto the ground before filling up.? I guess this is more ecologically sound that letting motorist fill up themselves.
<Sarcasm mode off>
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Car Talk

 On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
  
 
What's an "attendant"?
  The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen. TeriAnn 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul  8 09:54:36 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 10:54:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
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You can clearly see that it is made by ARE ? Alexander Racing Enterprises.  I have his (triple carb)  heat shield on my TR6.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:27 AM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance

 

Here's a pic I ran across of Randall's? heat shield.  

 

What I notice is that the vacuum advance pipe ends in a female.  Is so's to make disconnecting easier and save those fragile aluminum thread in the carb body?  

 

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From dos_gusanos at msn.com  Mon Jul  8 10:06:37 2019
From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:06:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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Wayne's on "Chasing Classic Cars"  Dennis Gage (sp?) does "My Classic Car".  I only have feelings of jealousy towards them both.

Henry Morrison


Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2019 8:30 PM
To: Michael Porter; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] For those getting the...

I never watch that show.  I think Wayne Carini (sp) is a phony.


> On July 7, 2019 at 10:26 PM Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:
>
>
> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is
> on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958
> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight
> modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.  The owner,
> quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of
> saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"  (the engine in the 10 was a
> 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never
> shared with Ferguson).
>
> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for
> that in 1958. :)
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
>
>
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
>
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Mon Jul  8 10:22:50 2019
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:22:50 +0000
Subject: [TR] : Re:  For those getting the...
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If I were doing one of these shows, I don?t think I would want to reveal my margins.  Actually, on a couple of shows that I saw recently, Wayne did mention prices on a couple of vehicles.

I was always amused by ?Wheeler Dealers? with their simplistic approach ? Profit = Selling Price ? (Purchase Price + Parts Required).  Apparently Edd (or the new guy) worked for free!

Finally, to tie these two items together, one of the most amusing pictures I saw in recent years was a picture of Edd (who is exceedingly tall) and Wayne (who is at the opposite end of the height bell curve) standing on a street corner together in London.  Quite a contrast!

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Wbeech at flash.net
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 8:38 AM
To: dctr6 at optonline.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] : Re: For those getting the...

?Ripoff? might be a bit strong but when I watch these shows I like to know what the start and ending costs are, as well as the selling price.  Or, just watch something else.
Bill
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 8, 2019, at 8:13 AM, <dctr6 at optonline.net<mailto:dctr6 at optonline.net>> <dctr6 at optonline.net<mailto:dctr6 at optonline.net>> wrote:

JOE CURRY wrote:

>He never reveals what he pays for the cars or what he sells them for, leading many (including myself) to believe he is a rip-off artist.



So if somebody sells a car for more than they paid for it they are ripping someone off?  How would you do it Joe?

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY 1976 TR6 CF57948U

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jul  8 10:47:51 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:47:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
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 His silicone valve cover gaskets are the cat's meow.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 10:54 am
Subject: Re: [TR] vacuum advance

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Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:27 AM
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Subject: [TR] vacuum advance ?Here's a pic I ran across of Randall's? heat shield.?  ?What I notice is that the vacuum advance pipe ends in a female.? Is so's to make disconnecting easier and save those fragile aluminum thread in the carb body??  ?Terry Smith
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jul  8 11:27:22 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:27:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
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Yup, that?s mine.

I don?t recall the change points offhand, but some TRs had a brass adapter in the front carb body as original.  Those carbs are from my 59 TR3A, but the adapter and nut are original to the carb.  The line was replaced with copper a long time ago (original was steel, broken before I got the car).

The only thing I changed to mount the heat shield was to open up the hole just a bit, so the nut would fit through it.  I think the original size was OK, but it got distorted a bit when the adjacent bend was made.

I told Joe A. about it, so most likely the current crop of heat shields doesn?t have that problem.

-Randall

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:26 AM
To: triumphs
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance

Here's a pic I ran across of Randall's? heat shield.? 

What I notice is that the vacuum advance pipe ends in a female.? Is so's to make disconnecting easier and save those fragile aluminum thread in the carb body?? 

Terry Smith


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Jul  8 13:56:22 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:56:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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same still holds in NJ!

ptegler


On 7/8/2019 11:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
>> What's an "attendant"?
>
> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your 
> car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> -- 
>
> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and 
> Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write
>
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>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jul  8 14:04:26 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:04:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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TeriAnn,
Just thinking the other day.  What would it cost a station, in terms of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens?  And, what would the public be willing to pay?
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
> What's an "attendant"?
The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.

TeriAnn

-- 

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 14:22:31 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:22:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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On 7/8/19 1:04 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> TeriAnn,
> Just thinking the other day. ?What would it cost a station, in terms 
> of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens? 
> ?And, what would the public be willing to pay?
> Bill

I remember when the transition was taking place. There were stations 
that had one self pump island and an attendant pumped island at a higher 
cost. My observation is that mostly middle age and older women who 
likely didn't even know where you add fuel went to the attendant island 
and everyone else learned how to pump fuel in order to save 5 or 10 
cents/gallon.

Money in the pocket trumped service back then and I still think it will 
today.

TeriAnn

>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com 
> <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
>> What's an "attendant"?
>
> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your 
> car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
>
> TeriAnn
>

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 14:28:04 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:28:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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Oregon changed their law against self-serve gasoline, in at least some
circumstances, yes?  I believe New Jersey is the only state where
attendants are the only option.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:22 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 7/8/19 1:04 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
>
> TeriAnn,
> Just thinking the other day.  What would it cost a station, in terms of
> cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens?  And,
> what would the public be willing to pay?
> Bill
>
> I remember when the transition was taking place. There were stations that
> had one self pump island and an attendant pumped island at a higher cost.
> My observation is that mostly middle age and older women who likely didn't
> even know where you add fuel went to the attendant island and everyone else
> learned how to pump fuel in order to save 5 or 10 cents/gallon.
>
> Money in the pocket trumped service back then and I still think it will
> today.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
>
> What's an "attendant"?
>
> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car,
> or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Mon Jul  8 14:31:40 2019
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:31:40 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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Yes, at stand-alone gas stations in counties with fewer than 40,000 residents.

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oregon changed their law against self-serve gasoline, in at least some circumstances, yes?  I believe New Jersey is the only state where attendants are the only option.
> 
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 3:22 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On 7/8/19 1:04 PM, Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>> TeriAnn,
>> Just thinking the other day.  What would it cost a station, in terms of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens?  And, what would the public be willing to pay?
>> Bill
> I remember when the transition was taking place. There were stations that had one self pump island and an attendant pumped island at a higher cost. My observation is that mostly middle age and older women who likely didn't even know where you add fuel went to the attendant island and everyone else learned how to pump fuel in order to save 5 or 10 cents/gallon.
> 
> Money in the pocket trumped service back then and I still think it will today.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
>> 
>> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>> 
>> On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
>>> What's an "attendant"?
>> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
>> 
>> TeriAnn
>> 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jul  8 15:50:31 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:50:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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We?ve tried that in the past; used to be stations across the country would have ?full service? pumps and ?self service? pumps with perhaps only 5 to 10 cents difference in price.

Some quick assumptions show an average cost (to the owner) of roughly $.10 or $.15/gallon (assuming an attendant pumps all gas sold, etc), so it probably wasn?t a ripoff.

Never seemed worth the price, to me; I almost always used the self service pumps.  I?m guessing that?s what the station owners saw as well, since I haven?t seen a full service pump in a long time (outside of Oregon, where it?s required by law).

-Randall


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: wbeech at flash.net
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 3:04 PM
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Car Talk

TeriAnn,
Just thinking the other day. ?What would it cost a station, in terms of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens? ?And, what would the public be willing to pay?
Bill
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
What's an "attendant"?
The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
TeriAnn
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Mon Jul  8 15:54:17 2019
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 14:54:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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And there was sometimes a third option, mini-serve, where the attendant filled your tank, but didn?t clean your windows or check your oil.

Back in the day that gas stations were really ?service stations?, the full service option probably lead to some (needed or not) sales on the service side.  Topping up oil was a more frequent need, and of course there might be a belt or something that you might convince the owner that should be changed.

Now they want you to stock up on drinks and snacks?.

-Darrell

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> We?ve tried that in the past; used to be stations across the country would have ?full service? pumps and ?self service? pumps with perhaps only 5 to 10 cents difference in price.
>  
> Some quick assumptions show an average cost (to the owner) of roughly $.10 or $.15/gallon (assuming an attendant pumps all gas sold, etc), so it probably wasn?t a ripoff.
>  
> Never seemed worth the price, to me; I almost always used the self service pumps.  I?m guessing that?s what the station owners saw as well, since I haven?t seen a full service pump in a long time (outside of Oregon, where it?s required by law).
>  
> -Randall
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  
> From: wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 3:04 PM
> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Car Talk
>  
> TeriAnn,
> Just thinking the other day.  What would it cost a station, in terms of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens?  And, what would the public be willing to pay?
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> 
> On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
> What's an "attendant"?
> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
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From hsawatsk at sasktel.net  Mon Jul  8 16:17:10 2019
From: hsawatsk at sasktel.net (Harold Sawatsky)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 16:17:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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Here in Canada (Saskatchewan, not sure about other provinces) but Co-op stations in large cities as well as small communities have full service, pumping, windows, check oil etc at roughly 4 c per litre extra. ALWAYS busy. Our local small town service station does that also but we pay a premium anyway because we are a few miles from a major city. 

Harold Sawatsky 
RE/MAX Crown Real Estate
hsawatsk at sasktel.net

> On Jul 8, 2019, at 3:50 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> We?ve tried that in the past; used to be stations across the country would have ?full service? pumps and ?self service? pumps with perhaps only 5 to 10 cents difference in price.
>  
> Some quick assumptions show an average cost (to the owner) of roughly $.10 or $.15/gallon (assuming an attendant pumps all gas sold, etc), so it probably wasn?t a ripoff.
>  
> Never seemed worth the price, to me; I almost always used the self service pumps.  I?m guessing that?s what the station owners saw as well, since I haven?t seen a full service pump in a long time (outside of Oregon, where it?s required by law).
>  
> -Randall
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: wbeech at flash.net
> Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 3:04 PM
> To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Car Talk
>  
> TeriAnn,
> Just thinking the other day.  What would it cost a station, in terms of cents per gallon, to hire a guy to pump fuel and clean windscreens?  And, what would the public be willing to pay?
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> 
> On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:01 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/8/19 3:57 AM, David Friedlander wrote:
> What's an "attendant"?
> The guy in Oregon who fills your fuel tank while you sit inside your car, or while you are cleaning your windscreen.
> 
> TeriAnn
> 
> --
> 
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Jul  8 16:44:42 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 18:44:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
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Whoops, I see the nuances of the English language have struck again.  I didn't mean that Randall MADE the shield, but rather that it was on hjs car (I think) and the picture was something he sent to illustrate a point to someone.  My interest is in the vacuum hookup because the way he has it in the picture makes sense. 

> On July 8, 2019 at 11:54 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     You can clearly see that it is made by ARE ? Alexander Racing Enterprises.  I have his (triple carb)  heat shield on my TR6.
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
>     Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:27 AM
>     To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [TR] vacuum advance
> 
>      
> 
>     Here's a pic I ran across of Randall's? heat shield. 
> 
>      
> 
>     What I notice is that the vacuum advance pipe ends in a female.  Is so's to make disconnecting easier and save those fragile aluminum thread in the carb body? 
> 
>      
> 
>     Terry Smith
> 
>      
> 


 

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul  8 17:08:53 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 19:08:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] R200 differential install to TR4A
Message-ID: <AC30C31D6D964F36B89F589C53111E9E@VlackTK121647>

List, I?m assembling all the parts needed to install a R200 short tail 3.69 viscous LSD from an Infinity into my TR4A. Goodparts kit will arrive tomorrow and I?m having a driveshaft shortened locally. I sourced the diff locally. I?m interested in hearing from others who have done this themselves on a TR4A or TR6 and what if any problems did you encounter? And your solutions.

Of particular interest is the use of springs between the 2 sections of the halfshafts and your experience in determining the correct length of those springs. Richard recomends them and he makes a compelling argument for their use. Also I?m aware of the diff flange having some interference with the bodywork in the tee shirt area. My frame is reinforced and I have replaced the OE rubber trailing arm bushes with solid ones.

Kindly tell me your experience. 

Thanks,

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  8 21:34:41 2019
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 20:34:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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I believe it is being shown on Friday 19 July on MAVTV (DirecTV Ch 214 
for me).? Season 23, Episode 26.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
> Sent: July 7, 2019 10:27 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
>
> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" 
> is on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958
>
> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight 
> modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.? The owner, 
> quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of 
> saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"? (the engine in the 10 was a 
> 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was 
> never shared with Ferguson).
>
> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for 
> that in 1958. :)
>
>


From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 21:45:18 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 22:45:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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Friends in the UK have had this 1959 Standard Pennant in the family since
new.  It's a bit of a time warp look at what was a nice small car back in
the day.  Here it is a couple of years ago.  I quite like it.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dc6H3s7/0/ca25ecae/X5/i-dc6H3s7-X5.jpg

And one of our correspondents on this list had a TR10 back in the 1980s.
Here's a photo one day in 1983 when he drove it to work.  I have the head
badge from that car here in my office.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KRDRzVH/0/73d3d517/O/i-KRDRzVH.jpg


On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 9:51 AM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
wrote:

> Could not find a recent episode from upstate NY. The most recent seems to
> be from SC. There were a few Standard 10s at the 2012 Canadian
> International Auto Show celebration of Standard Triumph exhibition. They
> were owned by a gentleman named Freeman from New York state. Was the car
> any of these? The first two are 57s (an estate and a truck), the third is a
> 59 two-tone, and the fourth is a blue van.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Keith Stewart
>
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
> Sent: July 7, 2019 10:27 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
>
>
>
> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is on
> a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958
>
> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight modification
> to the accelerator pedal) original condition.  The owner, quite willing to
> show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of saying it had a
> "Ferguson tractor engine"  (the engine in the 10 was a 948cc derived from
> new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never shared with Ferguson).
>
>
>
> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for that
> in 1958. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Porter
>
> Roswell, NM
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jul  8 22:41:14 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:41:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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One of our members has one of those 10s, still has the plastic on the door cards.  Looks like s fun little car. 
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 8, 2019, at 10:34 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:


I believe it is being shown on Friday 19 July on MAVTV (DirecTV Ch 214 for me).  Season 23, Episode 26.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
> Sent: July 7, 2019 10:27 PM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
> 
> ... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958
> 
> TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.  The owner, quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"  (the engine in the 10 was a 948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never shared with Ferguson).
> 
> Nevertheless, a wonderful example in full regalia, or what passed for that in 1958. :)
> 
> 

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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Mon Jul  8 22:44:47 2019
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (Bill Beecher)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 23:44:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
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Yes, I have heard good things about Vintage Air. They have several combinations of equipment, has anyone installed one of their systems?  If so which one?   

I will also give them a call and see what they recommend.  

Thanks to all who responded.  

Best,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Glenn Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net> wrote:

In the USA, try Vintage Aire for systems, parts and design support.

Glenn A. Merrell, CAP
ISA Certified Automation Professional




On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 2:50 PM -0600, "david hammond" <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 into a stag?
> David
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Bill,
> > 
> > All good questions.
> > 
> > Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C.  I don't recall the manufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.  If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.  When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational.  It works well and blows ice cold air.
> > 
> > Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.  Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.  But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you'd think.
> > 
> > One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual with overdrive.  There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.
> > 
> > There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want.  TR8 V8 conversion also.
> > 
> > Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns heads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.
> > 
> > Hope this helps,
> > Frank
> > '72 Stag
> > 
> > 
> >> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> >> 
> >> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
> >> Can AC be efficiently installed?  
> >> 
> >> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
> >> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
> >> car?  
> >> 
> >> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
> >> greatly appreciated.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> 
> >> Bill B
> >> 
> >> TS30800L
> > 
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> > 
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Jul  9 07:14:22 2019
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:14:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
References: <1240225481.195999.1562678062470.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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His first name was David, and actually he was from North Carolina. I don't know what's happened to him or the cars since that time. I did get to meet him briefly as he traveled through Albany on his way to that show. It was like reliving my childhood, as I got to (ever so briefly) drive both the sedan and the pickup in the parking lot of the hotel where he was staying!
I say "reliving my childhood" as a 10 sedan was the first Triumph in our family; Dad bought it new in late 1958, and I have great memories of -- on his cue -- getting to make the 3-4 shift with that long, spindly shift lever!

Meanwhile, for those of us who are cable- or satellite-challenged, is "My Classic Car" something that can be found online?

--AndyAndrew Mace
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
To: 'Michael Porter' <mdporter at dfn.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 8, 2019 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [TR] For those getting the...

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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Jul  9 07:24:12 2019
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 13:24:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...
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 Ah, yes, the fabled "Ferguson tractor engine," which, of course, was actually a Standard-Triumph engine that happened to have been developed for the Vanguard AND the Ferguson tractor, and ultimately also used in a few little sports cars -- TRs, I believe they were called. ;)
The engine in question here actually started out at a whopping 803cc and eventually grew all the way to 1.5L in four-cylinder form and to 2.5L in six-cylinder form!
--AndyAndrew Mace
 
 
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From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Jul 7, 2019 10:27 pm
Subject: [TR] For those getting the...

... Motor Trend channel, the most recent episode of "My Classic Car" is 
on a car show in upstate NY, and features a couple of minutes on a 1958 
TR10 in the show, which is reputed to be in virtually (slight 
modification to the accelerator pedal) original condition.? The owner, 
quite willing to show it off, nevertheless makes the rookie error of 
saying it had a "Ferguson tractor engine"? (the engine in the 10 was a 
948cc derived from new designs in 1953, and as far as I know, was never 
shared with Ferguson).

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 07:40:59 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:40:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
In-Reply-To: <2A2C4CB5-98A0-4B06-BE81-9E2E981DE1B7@sasktel.net>
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On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:17 PM Harold Sawatsky <hsawatsk at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
> Here in Canada (Saskatchewan, not sure about other provinces) but Co-op stations in large cities as well as small communities have full service, pumping,

Brent Leroy always pumped my gas when I was in Dog River.

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  9 08:02:06 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 14:02:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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 Dog River.
i have always loved the town names in Saskatchewan. Manitoba was not as artistic.
Frank

    On Tuesday, July 9, 2019, 06:41:24 AM PDT, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 On Mon, Jul 8, 2019 at 6:17 PM Harold Sawatsky <hsawatsk at sasktel.net> wrote:
>
> Here in Canada (Saskatchewan, not sure about other provinces) but Co-op stations in large cities as well as small communities have full service, pumping,

Brent Leroy always pumped my gas when I was in Dog River.
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From dblambert at cox.net  Tue Jul  9 09:30:40 2019
From: dblambert at cox.net (D&BLambert)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 08:30:40 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car Talk
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And then there's Wollerton...spitui...

>>stations in large cities as well as small communities have full service,
pumping,
>>
>>Brent Leroy always pumped my gas when I was in Dog River.
>>** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>


From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Jul  9 10:33:52 2019
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (Bill Beecher)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:33:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
In-Reply-To: <001f01d5366b$4d89e160$e89da420$@freelanceconsulting.net>
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Thank you Glenn, as I get a little farther down the road I may take you up on those pictures.  
From all the comments this seems like a very doable install. 
Cheers,
Bill

On Jul 9, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Glenn A. Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net> wrote:

Bill,
 
When I did my Stag on my Rover V8, I converted from the York Borg Warner piston compressor to a rotary.  I think I used a 5 cubic inch rotary which uses about 2 hp compared to the York consumes almost 20 hp.
I used the stock evaporator box in the stag, stock expansion valve on the evaporator, but converted to new barrier hoses and O ring seals.
There are adapters to go from the Expansion valve compression connection to O ring seal type.  I also replaced the Condenser and dryer rated for 134A  that all used O ring type connections.
 
It was difficult, and after following the online advice of Vintage Air I found an automotive AC supplier locally and sourced all the hose and connectors and provided all the rest of the information I needed.
 
Then I measured and fit each hoses in their location,, marked the orientations on the hoes and connectors,  took the connectors and hoses back to the supplier who swaged the connections to the new barrier hose for free since I bought the hose and connectors from them.
 
Vintage Air sells a wide range of adapter brackets, even an adapter bracket for the Stag York aluminum  Bracket, but I found it was a stronger and less cost solution to have a bracket custom fabricated from 3/8 steel plate to hold the new rotary compressor after looking at the various brackets available online.
 
I might have some photos, I?ll try to locate those.
Cheers!
 
Glenn Merrell 
+1 (303) 817-8559 mobile
aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)
Remember, ?the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen ? with the occasional smell of manure!?
 
 
 
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bill Beecher
Sent: Monday, July 8, 2019 10:45 PM
To: Glenn Merrell
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; Frank Magnusson
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
 
Yes, I have heard good things about Vintage Air. They have several combinations of equipment, has anyone installed one of their systems?  If so which one?   
 
I will also give them a call and see what they recommend.  
 
Thanks to all who responded.  
 
Best,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 7, 2019, at 9:01 PM, Glenn Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net> wrote:

In the USA, try Vintage Aire for systems, parts and design support.

Glenn A. Merrell, CAP
ISA Certified Automation Professional
 



On Sun, Jul 7, 2019 at 2:50 PM -0600, "david hammond" <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:

Are there anybody out there who sells a conversion kit to put a rover v 8 into a stag?
David
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jul 7, 2019, at 12:54 PM, Frank Magnusson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> All good questions.
> 
> Most U.S. Stags have factory A/C.  I don't recall the manufacturer but its straight out of detroit, so parts should be easy to get.  If a Stag doesn't have the factory a/c, it should be easy to enough to fit either an original unit, or one from Vintage Air or other supplier.  When I got my Stag, alot of the a/c system was missing, but I was able to find all of the parts either new or used and get it operational.  It works well and blows ice cold air.
> 
> Engine problems are still there on all years but as long as you are aware of the issues and make sure they are addressed, you'll be fine.  Two main problems - water pumps and timing chains, and both problems exacerbated by some poor quality parts on the market, but as long as you are careful who you buy from and check all the parts you get, you should be fine.  But, timing chains dont last very long, and you'll end up changing them more often than you'd think.
> 
> One other item is what gearbox do you want, automatic, manual, or manual with overdrive.  There are some clutch issues with the manual boxes similar to TR6 problems, but they are fairly easily fixable.
> 
> There are some engine conversions to a Rover V8, which fixes all of those issues; just depends what you want.  TR8 V8 conversion also.
> 
> Even with its issues, the Stag is really a neat car; fun to drive, turns heads, sounds awesome with the original V8, and has a/c and 4 seats.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Frank
> '72 Stag
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2019, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> 
>> Thinking of buying a Stag for SWMBO but it would require air conditioning.
>> Can AC be efficiently installed?  
>> 
>> I remember the deal about engine problems during the first couple of years,
>> is there a way to see if the remediation was performed if I find an early
>> car?  
>> 
>> After what year might I be safe in trusting the original engine is OK?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Launching off into the dark here, any direction for self-education would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Bill B
>> 
>> TS30800L
> 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 10:45:46 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 09:45:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
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On 7/9/19 9:33 AM, Bill Beecher wrote:
> Thank you Glenn, as I get a little farther down the road I may take 
> you up on those pictures.
> From all the comments this seems like a very doable install.
> Cheers,
> Bill
>
I understand that a fair number of Stags ended up with small block Ford 
engines and gearboxes.

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jul  9 11:09:03 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 12:09:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
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That would make sense. Also read that the TR6 Motor is a much better fit in the engine bay.  Of course, not planning to get into a re-power situation but a nice little 289 would be an interesting option. .  
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 9, 2019, at 11:45 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/9/19 9:33 AM, Bill Beecher wrote:
> Thank you Glenn, as I get a little farther down the road I may take you up on those pictures.
> From all the comments this seems like a very doable install.
> Cheers,
> Bill
> 
I understand that a fair number of Stags ended up with small block Ford engines and gearboxes.
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 12:16:36 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:16:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag, rover v 8
In-Reply-To: <AA671E3C-DAEB-40BF-9232-7287D13EB786@flash.net>
References: <5F8C652E-5C1F-4875-AF24-D097C77DE707@cox.net>
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On 7/9/19 10:09 AM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> That would make sense. Also read that the TR6 Motor is a much better fit in the engine bay.  Of course, not planning to get into a re-power situation but a nice little 289 would be an interesting option. .
> Bill

A 302 has the same dimensions and going to EFI is a fuel saver. people 
picked the small block Ford because it is narrower than the small block 
Chevy. Nice thing about a common US engine is cheaper parts at any auto 
parts store and much better dependability than the Rover V8. Also, the 
quality of replacement parts for the Rover V8 is low. Range Rover 
Classic folks are complaining about that all the time.

TeriAnn


From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 15:37:35 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 16:37:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A on Saint Louis FB marketplace for $19.5k
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCxbvLf_WLRkU4tc7yLSQFD-4LWQ0FQY4cT+TK0uPOtZw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think I've seen a white-on-white-on-white sidescreen car before.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/619439565206777/

The SLTOA group has a number of members on this list -- perhaps one of them
knows more about this car than I?
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Jul  9 18:25:54 2019
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 18:25:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR 6 showed up at Toucans
Message-ID: <4D8D7FFE-DE8B-4908-9E69-F9564D8AE5DF@comcast.net>


I just saw a picture on Google Maps showing a red with a white center stripe down the middle TR6 with a Florida Plate JE7VR at Toucan?s Restaurant in Mexico Beach (or what?s left of it) Florida. It looks to have two red racing harnesses with race seats and a dual (possibly Monza) exhaust.

Toucans is no more after the hurricane that hit Mexico Beach, only a cement slab with some wreckage. We ate there on a vacation to Panama City Beach a couple years ago.

Anyone on the list?

Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 09:22:11 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 10:22:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory selling Charles Runyan's cars,
 including pair of LeMans TRS cars
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDM3vMJiNpxoVac72c3JcXmjmtOdDp2NSu15P9B=4hhjA@mail.gmail.com>

For those who haven't seen this yet...
http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html

BR,

Don
TR3B TSF202L
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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Wed Jul 10 10:59:02 2019
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (rbtr3a at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:59:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory selling Charles Runyan's cars,
 including pair of LeMans TRS cars
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDM3vMJiNpxoVac72c3JcXmjmtOdDp2NSu15P9B=4hhjA@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow this is surprising 

Ronnie

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those who haven't seen this yet...
> http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html
> 
> BR,
> 
> Don
> TR3B TSF202L
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Jul 10 11:18:45 2019
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:18:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory selling Charles Runyan's cars,
 including pair of LeMans TRS cars
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDM3vMJiNpxoVac72c3JcXmjmtOdDp2NSu15P9B=4hhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDM3vMJiNpxoVac72c3JcXmjmtOdDp2NSu15P9B=4hhjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <894bbb00-b8e1-7ce0-4150-9327077f01bc@adelphia.net>

If I was only 20 to 30 years younger and had more space in my garage I 
would love to get the Europa.

Quite a collection and I am guessing most will go to Europe.

Bob

On 7/10/19 11:22 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> For those who haven't seen this yet...
> http://www.the-roadster-factory.com/Images/CHARLES-CARS-SALE/CHARLES-CARS.html
>
> BR,
>
> Don
> TR3B TSF202L
>
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From johnniedonnelly at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 15:42:39 2019
From: johnniedonnelly at gmail.com (Johnnie Donnelly)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:42:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A Steering rack boots
Message-ID: <CAC_63yV1ejVZmnSmH62QhpQBu6kUq_0EB480UDTK2BUf0mz4Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks, I'm replacing the steering rack boots with the rack in the car,
but having trouble slipping the inner end of the boot over the rack. Yes, I
know the right and left boot are different. I just to get the boot to
"open" enough to slide in into place. Any tricks worth using?

And, should I pack any grease into the boots for rack protection, or just
leave dry?

Thanks!
Johnnie
'67 TR4A IRS in hot San Diego
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 17:01:00 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:01:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
Message-ID: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>

List:
I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start her
up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and floats
at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.  

Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
it in when not running?  

Any help greatly appreciated.

Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6


From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Jul 11 17:22:55 2019
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:22:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>


My only thought is that the priming lever is working, but perhaps there is an issue with the pump being driven from the cam shaft.  Have you changed the pump recently?  Can you pull the pump off the engine, leaving the lines connected, and see if it pumps fuel when you operate the lever that the cam drives?

> On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> List:
> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start her
> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and floats
> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.  
> 
> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
> it in when not running?  
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 17:53:31 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:53:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>

That?s was my thought too as I ponder the simple mechanics of it all.  In my 25 years with TRs, I?ve never had that issue when changing a pump.   I did replace pump since previous one was part of original failure.  It was a cheap $39 one from moss.  I didn?t buy it came installed on he car.  It is a piece of junk.  I put on a spare new repro  from TRF and works.  I?ll have to take pump off and see if issue with priming lever.  
Thanks
Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My only thought is that the priming lever is working, but perhaps there is an issue with the pump being driven from the cam shaft.  Have you changed the pump recently?  Can you pull the pump off the engine, leaving the lines connected, and see if it pumps fuel when you operate the lever that the cam drives?
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> List:
>> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
>> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
>> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
>> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
>> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
>> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start her
>> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and floats
>> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
>> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
>> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
>> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.  
>> 
>> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
>> it in when not running?  
>> 
>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 60 TR3A
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Jul 11 18:47:24 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:47:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>

Do you have a spare electric pump on hand.  Stick it in line and see if that works.   I was first thinking you were not getting fuel from the tank but you say you confirmed that is not it.  
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 11, 2019, at 6:53 PM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

That?s was my thought too as I ponder the simple mechanics of it all.  In my 25 years with TRs, I?ve never had that issue when changing a pump.   I did replace pump since previous one was part of original failure.  It was a cheap $39 one from moss.  I didn?t buy it came installed on he car.  It is a piece of junk.  I put on a spare new repro  from TRF and works.  I?ll have to take pump off and see if issue with priming lever.  
Thanks
Jim

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My only thought is that the priming lever is working, but perhaps there is an issue with the pump being driven from the cam shaft.  Have you changed the pump recently?  Can you pull the pump off the engine, leaving the lines connected, and see if it pumps fuel when you operate the lever that the cam drives?
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> List:
>> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
>> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
>> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
>> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
>> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
>> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start her
>> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and floats
>> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
>> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
>> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
>> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.  
>> 
>> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
>> it in when not running?  
>> 
>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 60 TR3A
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Jul 11 19:32:33 2019
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:32:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
 <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
Message-ID: <a5aee4e8-56b3-78fb-5bb7-893c330412b3@tonydrews.com>

On the off chance that air can't get into the gas tank, try it with the 
gas cap open.

Cheers, Tony Drews

On 7/11/2019 7:47 PM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Do you have a spare electric pump on hand.  Stick it in line and see if that works.   I was first thinking you were not getting fuel from the tank but you say you confirmed that is not it.
> Bill
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jul 11, 2019, at 6:53 PM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That?s was my thought too as I ponder the simple mechanics of it all.  In my 25 years with TRs, I?ve never had that issue when changing a pump.   I did replace pump since previous one was part of original failure.  It was a cheap $39 one from moss.  I didn?t buy it came installed on he car.  It is a piece of junk.  I put on a spare new repro  from TRF and works.  I?ll have to take pump off and see if issue with priming lever.
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My only thought is that the priming lever is working, but perhaps there is an issue with the pump being driven from the cam shaft.  Have you changed the pump recently?  Can you pull the pump off the engine, leaving the lines connected, and see if it pumps fuel when you operate the lever that the cam drives?
>>
>>> On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> List:
>>> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
>>> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
>>> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
>>> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
>>> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
>>> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start her
>>> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and floats
>>> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
>>> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
>>> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
>>> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.
>>>
>>> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
>>> it in when not running?
>>>
>>> Any help greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Jim Henningsen
>>> Ocala, FL
>>> 60 TR3A
>>> 61 TR3A
>>> 62 TR4
>>> 75 TR6
>>>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 19:34:07 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:34:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDc4mw2UwOXWVa=vt=2UJQXXNVH5E8pmg5-4EKie2pVfg@mail.gmail.com>

Definitely check to see the fuel pump lever is on the correct side of the
cam.  I had a similar problem a few years ago when a very good shop did me
the unrequested favor of replacing a fuel pump gasket and an embarrassed
mechanic got the lever positioned wrong.  He's still a little red-faced
over that...

In my case the car would run for a minute or so after priming the bowls,
then stall until they were manually filled again.

Here's what it looked like by the time I pulled it.  Note the worn spot on
the affected lever next to a reference.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-XQ7d3fM/0/f3e2e8a6/X5/i-XQ7d3fM-X5.jpg

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 6:19 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> List:
> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running issue on
> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a minute
> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps and
> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both carbs.
> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle on
> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.  Start
> her
> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and
> floats
> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel lines,
> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel pump
> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.
>
> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump allows
> it in when not running?
>
> Any help greatly appreciated.
>
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 19:34:42 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 20:34:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
 <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
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I wouldn't rule out fuel blockage, the higher rate of flow when the car is
running can pull sediment or even a chunk of something  to a restriction
point such as the fuel line connection at the bottom of the tank, and when
you stop pressure releases and fuel can dribble through again.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 7:47 PM Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Do you have a spare electric pump on hand.  Stick it in line and see if
> that works.   I was first thinking you were not getting fuel from the tank
> but you say you confirmed that is not it.
> Bill
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jul 11, 2019, at 6:53 PM, James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That?s was my thought too as I ponder the simple mechanics of it all.  In
> my 25 years with TRs, I?ve never had that issue when changing a pump.   I
> did replace pump since previous one was part of original failure.  It was a
> cheap $39 one from moss.  I didn?t buy it came installed on he car.  It is
> a piece of junk.  I put on a spare new repro  from TRF and works.  I?ll
> have to take pump off and see if issue with priming lever.
> Thanks
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 11, 2019, at 7:22 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > My only thought is that the priming lever is working, but perhaps there
> is an issue with the pump being driven from the cam shaft.  Have you
> changed the pump recently?  Can you pull the pump off the engine, leaving
> the lines connected, and see if it pumps fuel when you operate the lever
> that the cam drives?
> >
> >> On Jul 11, 2019, at 4:01 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> List:
> >> I have spent many an hour and part trying to track down my running
> issue on
> >> the 60 TR3A.  Car starts up fine with cold start.  Runs for about a
> minute
> >> and stalls out.  Float bowls are both near empty.  Switched fuel pumps
> and
> >> fuel lines, new clear filter near carb, new needle and seats on both
> carbs.
> >> Still happens.  After it stalls, I can manually prime fuel with handle
> on
> >> fuel pump and it fills both bowls up with fuel without a problem.
> Start her
> >> up and runs for a minute until gas gone.  Lift off fuel bowl tops and
> floats
> >> at bottom with no gas.  Both float needles are down when I lift off fuel
> >> bowl tops which would allow gas in.  I cleaned and checked all fuel
> lines,
> >> passageways in fuel bowl tops, etc.  I have plenty of fuel in the fuel
> pump
> >> bowl so don't think there is problem getting gas to pump.
> >>
> >> Why is it not allowing gas in the fuel bowls when running?  The pump
> allows
> >> it in when not running?
> >>
> >> Any help greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> Jim Henningsen
> >> Ocala, FL
> >> 60 TR3A
> >> 61 TR3A
> >> 62 TR4
> >> 75 TR6
> >>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 20:15:42 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 19:15:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A Steering rack boots
In-Reply-To: <CAC_63yV1ejVZmnSmH62QhpQBu6kUq_0EB480UDTK2BUf0mz4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC_63yV1ejVZmnSmH62QhpQBu6kUq_0EB480UDTK2BUf0mz4Dw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 2:43 PM Johnnie Donnelly <johnniedonnelly at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Folks, I'm replacing the steering rack boots with the rack in the car,
> but having trouble slipping the inner end of the boot over the rack. Yes, I
> know the right and left boot are different. I just to get the boot to
> "open" enough to slide in into place. Any tricks worth using?
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com>


Here is a trick I used.  Photos are a rack boot for my VW Westy but I used
the same technique on the TR4...

Find a bottle with a larger diameter than what you need and
stretch/ease/force the boot onto it.  I had hot water in the bottle and
also used a heat gun to warm the rubber:

[image: VW Rack Boot 1.JPG]

Look for a plastic spray can lid that is just slightly larger diameter than
what the boot has to go over.  If a spray paint lid is too large. some
products have slightly smaller lids.

Now the exciting move -- get the boot off the bottle and onto the plastic
lid (open end of the lid down).  Tricky because the lid may want to
collapse when the boot is only partially on.  Easier with 2 people - one to
stretch the boot opening and another to maneuver the lid:

[image: VW Rack Boot 2.JPG]

Now you cut away the portion of the lid that is outside the boot leaving a
ring of plastic perhaps a ?" - ?" wide inside the boot.  That ring should
be flimsy but in fact will hold the boot open as it is under even pressure
all the way 'round.  Last time I did this I left a little tab of plastic
sticking out from the ring to make the final step easier.

[image: VW Rack Boot 3.JPG]

Try to make the ring thinner that what that pic shows.

Now the ring and boot will fit over the big end of the rack.  Once it is
pressed home you pull out the ring a bit, cut it with a pair of heavy
scissors and remove it completely.  If you are lucky the boot will come to
rest right where you need it.

Good luck.

Geo
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 11 21:10:08 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 21:10:08 -0600
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aYHK=MDUxEYy6PWqjfWpN0Fyk-YzH8vith-rfqaeXb=7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
 <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
 <CAFtw3aYHK=MDUxEYy6PWqjfWpN0Fyk-YzH8vith-rfqaeXb=7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <34b3d1f5-3fbb-f4d3-202f-4d791edeb1b4@bradakis.com>

Many years ago when I was working at Bailey's, there was a fellow with 
am MG that would run almost all the time.? He had a problem getting up 
the hill to his house, though.? I fussed with it for hours, messing with 
the ignition and checking the carb setup.? It ran fine in the shop, 
revved easily, test drives around the block were fine.? The big test was 
heading up this one street towards his home in the foothills, a long 
steady incline.? It would start out just fine, but slowly lose power 
going up the hill until finally sputtering to a stop.? After a few 
minutes, it would fire right up.? After a few of these longet test runs, 
I thought I had it figured out, took the rubber bumper B up the 45th 
South test circuit.? Same thing.? I coasted to the side of the road, 
quite perplexed and frustrated.? I wasn't sure what to check next. I 
thought it does have gas in the tank, right?? Went to check.? As I 
started to remove the gas cap there was a HUGE rush of air into the 
tank.? Replaced the cap, it fired right up and I drove it back to the 
shop.? We fixed the blocked gas tank vent plumbing, and the problem 
disappeared.

mjb.



From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 06:41:29 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 08:41:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <34b3d1f5-3fbb-f4d3-202f-4d791edeb1b4@bradakis.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
 <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
 <CAFtw3aYHK=MDUxEYy6PWqjfWpN0Fyk-YzH8vith-rfqaeXb=7g@mail.gmail.com>
 <34b3d1f5-3fbb-f4d3-202f-4d791edeb1b4@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <033101d538af$2105acf0$631106d0$@gmail.com>

Thanks everyone for all the advice and great tips.  Will check the tank pressure, vent lines, potential debris, and fuel pump. I know now that I am working from pump back to the tank.  All is good from pump to and through the carbs.  This has been a good exercise for getting my mechanical diagnosing skills back on track.  I do have a spare electric that I could check too.  Back to the garage today and will keep you all posted.
Grateful in Ocala!
Jim Henningsen  

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 11:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala

Many years ago when I was working at Bailey's, there was a fellow with am MG that would run almost all the time.  He had a problem getting up the hill to his house, though.  I fussed with it for hours, messing with the ignition and checking the carb setup.  It ran fine in the shop, revved easily, test drives around the block were fine.  The big test was heading up this one street towards his home in the foothills, a long steady incline.  It would start out just fine, but slowly lose power going up the hill until finally sputtering to a stop.  After a few minutes, it would fire right up.  After a few of these longet test runs, I thought I had it figured out, took the rubber bumper B up the 45th South test circuit.  Same thing.  I coasted to the side of the road, quite perplexed and frustrated.  I wasn't sure what to check next. I thought it does have gas in the tank, right?  Went to check.  As I started to remove the gas cap there was a HUGE rush of air into the tank.  Replaced the cap, it fired right up and I drove it back to the shop.  We fixed the blocked gas tank vent plumbing, and the problem disappeared.

mjb.


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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 08:50:03 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:50:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala Update
Message-ID: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>

List:
I checked the gas tank and no pressure when opening tank.  I did determine
after testing the fuel pump by cranking engine and putting fuel inlet line
near carb into a catch can that the mechanical lever is not pumping any
fuel.  Hand lever still does.  I removed the pump, inspected the lever and
tested it manually off car and it does pull gas out.  Reinstalled and
believe it is correct installation and hooked it back up.  Crank engine and
no fuel being pumped into can.  The pump is a good quality repro but maybe
something wrong with lever.  Our club member mechanical expert thought it
might be a cam lobe issue.  I don't have a spare electric fuel pump to
quickly hook u p but sure that would fix it.  I would prefer to use a stock
pump though.  

Going to order a pump rebuild kit for a spare original AC pump that I have
and see if that works.  Stay tuned.

Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL


From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 12 09:29:40 2019
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:29:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala Update
In-Reply-To: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>
References: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7a474dd-d865-4429-463a-cc518a78a202@adelphia.net>

Jim,

I ditched the mechanical fuel pumps when I restored my 63 4. The 4 was 
the first to get a Facet pump with regulator. The pump is mounted to the 
outside rear of the trunk with filter. The pump was replaced with a 
metal block off and I mounted a pressure regulator + gauge. The assembly 
is about 20 years old and pump works fine. A few years later I did the 
same thing with my 58 TR3.

When I did my 72 6, same thing. Facet + regulator from Jegs.

All three setups have never failed me. There are other pumps available 
that are just as reliable and a bit quieter. But once the cars start I 
cant hear the pump.

Sounds to me that the lobe on the cam is worn.

Bob

On 7/12/19 10:50 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> List:
> I checked the gas tank and no pressure when opening tank.  I did determine
> after testing the fuel pump by cranking engine and putting fuel inlet line
> near carb into a catch can that the mechanical lever is not pumping any
> fuel.  Hand lever still does.  I removed the pump, inspected the lever and
> tested it manually off car and it does pull gas out.  Reinstalled and
> believe it is correct installation and hooked it back up.  Crank engine and
> no fuel being pumped into can.  The pump is a good quality repro but maybe
> something wrong with lever.  Our club member mechanical expert thought it
> might be a cam lobe issue.  I don't have a spare electric fuel pump to
> quickly hook u p but sure that would fix it.  I would prefer to use a stock
> pump though.
>
> Going to order a pump rebuild kit for a spare original AC pump that I have
> and see if that works.  Stay tuned.
>
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 09:33:18 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 08:33:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala Update
In-Reply-To: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>
References: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70484b9d-0bf6-9316-98ce-c549b05cc448@gmail.com>

I have an aftermarket (regrind?) cam and had been plagued with poor 
starting, rough slow idle, engine dying at idle, and sometimes just 
running out of steam and stumbling at full throttle. After a lot of 
experimentation I concluded that the pump lobe on the cam is under size 
and barely touching the pump lever causing just a partial pump. My idle 
fuel pressure was less than one lb, but the hand pump leaver pumped a 
strong flow. I tried original and aftermarket mechanical pumps with no 
improvements. Finally I added a low pressure high volume electric pump 
back by the fuel tank and the engine was transformed. With 3 lbs at 
idle, the engine started easily and idled properly. And it no longer ran 
out of steam at full throttle. The accelerator pumps (DCOE) worked 
properly at sudden full throttle off idle without stumbling and almost 
dying.

TeriAnn

On 7/12/19 7:50 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> List:
> I checked the gas tank and no pressure when opening tank.  I did determine
> after testing the fuel pump by cranking engine and putting fuel inlet line
> near carb into a catch can that the mechanical lever is not pumping any
> fuel.  Hand lever still does.  I removed the pump, inspected the lever and
> tested it manually off car and it does pull gas out.  Reinstalled and
> believe it is correct installation and hooked it back up.  Crank engine and
> no fuel being pumped into can.  The pump is a good quality repro but maybe
> something wrong with lever.  Our club member mechanical expert thought it
> might be a cam lobe issue.  I don't have a spare electric fuel pump to
> quickly hook u p but sure that would fix it.  I would prefer to use a stock
> pump though.
>
> Going to order a pump rebuild kit for a spare original AC pump that I have
> and see if that works.  Stay tuned.
>
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL


From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 10:54:48 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:54:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] What's in a name?
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwi70zFfLYJSvORwKNiP1GULygy=Pt9_ZXVzicNtP0PdTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all;

I'm confused. Is there a difference between Brad Penn Oil and PennGrade
motor oil?

Consider this Amazon page, using the names interchangeably, as do many
other Google sites:

*https://tinyurl.com/yxgg3895 <https://tinyurl.com/yxgg3895>*

Thanks!

Dave
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 10:57:04 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:57:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala
In-Reply-To: <033101d538af$2105acf0$631106d0$@gmail.com>
References: <02a801d5383c$833af510$89b0df30$@gmail.com>
 <9B91479B-EFD1-4D05-A324-73ED57E201C2@mac.com>
 <7B6E68DF-E3D2-44CE-910E-419ECD803F60@gmail.com>
 <469ED5F4-8FAD-43A4-827E-E9D92EA396E5@flash.net>
 <CAFtw3aYHK=MDUxEYy6PWqjfWpN0Fyk-YzH8vith-rfqaeXb=7g@mail.gmail.com>
 <34b3d1f5-3fbb-f4d3-202f-4d791edeb1b4@bradakis.com>
 <033101d538af$2105acf0$631106d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkePp9ZjaG64hOteXDkoF02xxGZ4gL_GS=ms3zOE-2peYqw@mail.gmail.com>

+1 on blocked vent.

also had a similar problem on my tr4.  Would start/run fine and after warm,
it would die. Did almost all the stuff you did and realized I had water in
my gas.  the water was settling to the bottom of the bowl while resting,
mix with the gas after running a bit and die.

By the time I figured that out, I'd changed points, coil, cap, wires,
plugs, and adjusted timing and carbs a hundred ways to Sunday.

Good luck!
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 10:59:54 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 12:59:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sleepless in Ocala Update
In-Reply-To: <70484b9d-0bf6-9316-98ce-c549b05cc448@gmail.com>
References: <035001d538c1$17323e70$4596bb50$@gmail.com>
 <70484b9d-0bf6-9316-98ce-c549b05cc448@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeP9jnHKN7O5_rFJhLiMfNfxFAeE9ooCqBxGNiA6BTjgnQ@mail.gmail.com>

I helped a club member who somehow got the arm on the wrong side of the cam
lobe....  Definitely didn't work.
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 11:10:36 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:10:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] What's in a name?
In-Reply-To: <CAFWFMyjkfaHZC+eCJYxumC4unOjGL4BSkdvTX=7QjjLbmAJJHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi70zFfLYJSvORwKNiP1GULygy=Pt9_ZXVzicNtP0PdTg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgOWK8sqB1=RK7PsQrOVmu8F86B_X_a4prWA=YcXajp4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Irv;

Check out this page I just found. Interesting history here:

https://penngrade.com/about-us/

Dave



On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:00 PM Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> wrote:

> I read somewhere that Brad Penn was acquired, and the name was changed to
> Penn Grade. Same oil.
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
>
>
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 12 11:11:41 2019
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:11:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] What's in a name?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwi70zFfLYJSvORwKNiP1GULygy=Pt9_ZXVzicNtP0PdTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi70zFfLYJSvORwKNiP1GULygy=Pt9_ZXVzicNtP0PdTg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2a6ed1b9-f8d5-0410-57cb-60cea39e9c6d@adelphia.net>

Dave,

One in the same.

Bob

On 7/12/19 12:54 PM, David Friedlander wrote:
> Hey all;
>
> I'm confused. Is there a difference between Brad Penn Oil and 
> PennGrade motor oil?
>
> Consider this Amazon page, using the names interchangeably, as do many 
> other Google sites:
>
> *https://tinyurl.com/yxgg3895*
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 11:52:24 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:52:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] What's in a name?
In-Reply-To: <CAFWFMyidD2E-Xb8TuNx-hnJwj1MTVkPO=e27aiGdEffUK_pmrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwi70zFfLYJSvORwKNiP1GULygy=Pt9_ZXVzicNtP0PdTg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFWFMyjkfaHZC+eCJYxumC4unOjGL4BSkdvTX=7QjjLbmAJJHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAJ1eQwgOWK8sqB1=RK7PsQrOVmu8F86B_X_a4prWA=YcXajp4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Irv;

Yes, I hear you. I'm glad I got the right stuff. I was a bit nervous
because I didn't check it out enough before I bought a case of it. The name
change is only made clearer by a dig at their website. They don't
"announce" theon the same "Brad Penn" search page....

Dave


On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:24 PM Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:11 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Irv;
>>
>> Check out this page I just found. Interesting history here:
>>
>> https://penngrade.com/about-us/
>> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno at gmail.com>
>
>
> Thanks, Dave.
>
> I started putting that green stuff in my TR6 back when it was Kendall GT1.
> It was really hard to find in Illinois, and I always bought a case, and
> bought the next one when the one on hand was half gone. It was easier to
> find as Brad Penn, and seems to still be easy to acquire as Penn grade. You
> can even buy it on Amazon.
>
> When my engine was torn down in 2016, it had about 85,000 miles on it. The
> bearings were still good, and the thrust washers had .001 wear on them.
> That's a good enough testimonial for me.
>
> Irv Korey
> 74 TR6 CF22767U
> Highland Park, IL
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 14:00:52 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:00:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
Message-ID: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>

Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
Still sleepless in ocala


From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jul 12 14:26:25 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:26:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>

A lot of people on the List like--and I run one also--the little Facet Solid Stae Fuel Pump.  These can be had much cheaper from Aircraft Spruce & Speciality Co.  I just bought one there for $39.95, much cheaper than elsewhere.  See:  https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php?clickkey=3012831

I run a 40105 with a little Holly regulator that's preset to, I believe, 2.7 psi, which is pretty close to the 2 to 4 pounds recommended for our cars, though research sees opinions lift this to as high as 5 pounds.  See:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00029JC6M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

The regulator wasn't necessary, as I ran the little Facet for years without one. 

I mounted mine on the frame on the driver's side parallel to the rear wheel well using thick rubber pads to cushion the vibration.  Wiring is simple.  The hot wire to one of the "key on" prongs on the fuse box, the other to ground.  

Have fun!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

 
> On July 12, 2019 at 4:00 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
> lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
> using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
> amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> Still sleepless in ocala
> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jul 12 14:29:02 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:29:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>

I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
relatively quiet.

Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.

Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
under the tank.

I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is that
it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC pump
you will get petrol running into the oil.

Hope this helps,
Bill
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations

Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
Still sleepless in ocala

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 14:51:10 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:51:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <053f01d538f3$890f0910$9b2d1b30$@gmail.com>

Bill:
Thanks for the note. The price is so cheap on those pumps on amazon, I could
have three in the spare kit.  Where did you run your hot lead to the pump?
My other 3 has a elec pump (8016S) mounted on the driver inner fender.
Previous owner did that.  Im not a big fan of the look but it hooked up to
the coil and a ground on the body easily.  
Thanks,
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> 
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 4:29 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations

I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
relatively quiet.

Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.

Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
under the tank.

I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is that
it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC pump
you will get petrol running into the oil.

Hope this helps,
Bill
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations

Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
Still sleepless in ocala

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 14:58:47 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:58:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <6f319467-c673-5da1-a012-8ca8cba1fb92@gmail.com>

https://www.bpnorthwest.com/austin-healey/bn4-bj8/fuel-system/fuel-pump-electronic-dual-polarity-bn1-bn4-mg-tf-mga-mgb-to-64.html

Quiet and dependable.
TeriAnn

On 7/12/19 1:29 PM, wbeech wrote:
> I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
> and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
> Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
> relatively quiet.
>
> Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
> Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.
>
> Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
> lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
> completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
> under the tank.
>
> I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
> situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is that
> it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC pump
> you will get petrol running into the oil.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Bill
> TS30800L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Henningsen
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
>
> Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
> lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
> using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
> amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> Still sleepless in ocala
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 16:21:06 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:21:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEmu9o1+UVW099ChC=-FaFgnaOiUQwyAYfCskdJ8GqGbw@mail.gmail.com>

The cheap pump I carry as a get-me-home spare is a Delphi -- 'Made in the
USA':

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362170401702

Was 11 bucks when I bought one, now 14.

These U.S. pump are so cheap I think even the Chinese are buying them.
What a world.

Geo

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:29 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
> and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
> Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
> relatively quiet.
>
> Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
> Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.
>
> Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
> lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
> completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
> under the tank.
>
> I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
> situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is
> that
> it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC
> pump
> you will get petrol running into the oil.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Bill
> TS30800L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Henningsen
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
>
> Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
> lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
> using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
> amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> Still sleepless in ocala
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 16:34:44 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:34:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEmu9o1+UVW099ChC=-FaFgnaOiUQwyAYfCskdJ8GqGbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
 <CANzE1bEmu9o1+UVW099ChC=-FaFgnaOiUQwyAYfCskdJ8GqGbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <073501d53902$016f0af0$044d20d0$@gmail.com>

Perfect. Love it.  I?ll buy three for my two 3s.  thanks, jim

 

From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> 
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 6:21 PM
To: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations

 

The cheap pump I carry as a get-me-home spare is a Delphi -- 'Made in the USA':

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362170401702 

 

Was 11 bucks when I bought one, now 14.

 

These U.S. pump are so cheap I think even the Chinese are buying them.  What a world.

 

Geo 

 

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:29 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote:

I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
relatively quiet.

Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.

Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
under the tank.

I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is that
it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC pump
you will get petrol running into the oil.

Hope this helps,
Bill
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> ] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations

Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
Thanks in advance,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
Still sleepless in ocala

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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jul 12 17:05:16 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:05:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEmu9o1+UVW099ChC=-FaFgnaOiUQwyAYfCskdJ8GqGbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <000a01d538f0$720bcc60$56236520$@flash.net>
 <CANzE1bEmu9o1+UVW099ChC=-FaFgnaOiUQwyAYfCskdJ8GqGbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <477DC56E-3432-4417-8948-35681A1AA67A@flash.net>

Same one I keep in spare.  
Bill 

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 12, 2019, at 5:21 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

The cheap pump I carry as a get-me-home spare is a Delphi -- 'Made in the USA':

https://www.ebay.com/itm/362170401702 

Was 11 bucks when I bought one, now 14.

These U.S. pump are so cheap I think even the Chinese are buying them.  What a world.

Geo 

> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 1:29 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> I actually bought a pair of the cheap Chinese pumps.  One on the Land Rover
> and the other on previous TR3.  Still keep one in the drawer for emergency.
> Have never had one fail.   The ones I bought are the cylinder style and are
> relatively quiet.
> 
> Most folks here like the Facet pump, have that too on a Willys-Overland
> Jeepster but it would be too loud on a TR3.
> 
> Location on a TR3: I mounted on onto the plate that holds the Armstrong
> lever shock, just changed the bolt out for a longer one.  This puts it
> completely out of the way and directly in line with the existing system
> under the tank.
> 
> I have heard good and bad about the possibility of leaving the old pump 'in
> situ' and running the fuel line through it so it looks natural.  Pro is that
> it looks good; Con is, so I have heard, if the seals fail on the old AC pump
> you will get petrol running into the oil.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Bill
> TS30800L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Henningsen
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2019 3:01 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
> 
> Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
> lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
> using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
> amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
> Thanks in advance,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> Still sleepless in ocala
> 
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 12 20:27:14 2019
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:27:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil
References: <1199184704.1230391.1562984834165.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1199184704.1230391.1562984834165@mail.yahoo.com>

TRF pushes PennGrade. You can get Kendall which is the same Bradford oil for half the price of PG. Also has ZDDP. After going thru the latest TRF blurb with Charles Cars for sale, I just thank God I was able to find a decent TR 6 at a reasonable cost and I didn't have to mortgage anything.
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 09:14:21 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:14:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>

The data can be found here:  https://www.facet-purolator.com/tech-information/

For my Spitfire, I bought the lowest pressure one that they listed. (I
forget which number)   Standard cube - don't forget the Facet filter!
https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps3.php

I mounted it in the engine compartment on a strut between the firewall
and the radiator mount.  Connected it to a toggle switch in the car.
I just turned it on for hot starting - or after a long time sitting -
then let the standard pump take over.  Plumbed through the existing
mechanical pump...yes, I knew the shortcomings, but if the seals fail,
you are going to pump fuel into the oil even without an electric pump
- did that 45 years ago...

If I was going to run the electric pump exclusively, I'd for sure wire
a safety switch in the circuit.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:27 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> A lot of people on the List like--and I run one also--the little Facet Solid Stae Fuel Pump.  These can be had much cheaper from Aircraft Spruce & Speciality Co.  I just bought one there for $39.95, much cheaper than elsewhere.  See:  https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php?clickkey=3012831
>
> I run a 40105 with a little Holly regulator that's preset to, I believe, 2.7 psi, which is pretty close to the 2 to 4 pounds recommended for our cars, though research sees opinions lift this to as high as 5 pounds.  See:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00029JC6M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> The regulator wasn't necessary, as I ran the little Facet for years without one.
>
> I mounted mine on the frame on the driver's side parallel to the rear wheel well using thick rubber pads to cushion the vibration.  Wiring is simple.  The hot wire to one of the "key on" prongs on the fuse box, the other to ground.
>
> Have fun!
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
>
>
> > On July 12, 2019 at 4:00 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
> > lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
> > using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
> > amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jim Henningsen
> > Ocala, FL
> > Still sleepless in ocala
> >
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> >
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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Jul 13 09:39:41 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:39:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D74D3CC2-FFF2-4808-AC2C-5F77D3B49EA0@mac.com>

I use a Hardi fuel pump, which is German, that is only 2 psi and very quiet. Was recommend by my local British repair shop. I had a Facet but it was really loud. I carry it for a spare.

Rye

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2019, at 8:14 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The data can be found here:  https://www.facet-purolator.com/tech-information/
> 
> For my Spitfire, I bought the lowest pressure one that they listed. (I
> forget which number)   Standard cube - don't forget the Facet filter!
> https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps3.php
> 
> I mounted it in the engine compartment on a strut between the firewall
> and the radiator mount.  Connected it to a toggle switch in the car.
> I just turned it on for hot starting - or after a long time sitting -
> then let the standard pump take over.  Plumbed through the existing
> mechanical pump...yes, I knew the shortcomings, but if the seals fail,
> you are going to pump fuel into the oil even without an electric pump
> - did that 45 years ago...
> 
> If I was going to run the electric pump exclusively, I'd for sure wire
> a safety switch in the circuit.
> 
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:27 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> A lot of people on the List like--and I run one also--the little Facet Solid Stae Fuel Pump.  These can be had much cheaper from Aircraft Spruce & Speciality Co.  I just bought one there for $39.95, much cheaper than elsewhere.  See:  https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/facetpumps.php?clickkey=3012831
>> 
>> I run a 40105 with a little Holly regulator that's preset to, I believe, 2.7 psi, which is pretty close to the 2 to 4 pounds recommended for our cars, though research sees opinions lift this to as high as 5 pounds.  See:  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00029JC6M/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>> 
>> The regulator wasn't necessary, as I ran the little Facet for years without one.
>> 
>> I mounted mine on the frame on the driver's side parallel to the rear wheel well using thick rubber pads to cushion the vibration.  Wiring is simple.  The hot wire to one of the "key on" prongs on the fuse box, the other to ground.
>> 
>> Have fun!
>> 
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>> New Hampshire
>> 
>> 
>>> On July 12, 2019 at 4:00 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am thinking my stock fuel pump issue maybe cam lobe wear and/or fuel pump
>>> lever issue.  Decided to add an electric low pressure fuel pump instead of
>>> using stock one to fix my fuel issue.  Lots of cheap Chinese pumps on
>>> amazon.  Any recommendations on fuel pump used and location of install?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Jim Henningsen
>>> Ocala, FL
>>> Still sleepless in ocala
>>> 
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 13 09:53:31 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 09:53:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump oops
Message-ID: <7c1f65cf-3110-2ef2-dda4-cfa536ccca61@bradakis.com>

The discussion of electric fule pumps brought to mind a VTR convention 
some years ago, 2001? in Breckenridge, Colorado.? I attended with the 
Killer Spit.? The autocross was supposed to be held at a big parking 
lot, local high school I think, but something happened and it was held 
at one of the host hotel lots. Shucks, having a senior moment.? The guy 
behind Council of Motorsports Clubs, who was living in Colorado, and 
whose name just slipped my mind was responsible for the autocross.? Near 
the end I offered to let him take Killer around the course, he jumped at 
the chance.

So he goes roaring off, having a great time.? About 15 seconds into his 
run I thought "Did I turn on the fule pump?"? Seconds later, the car 
wheezes to a stop.? Yep, I forgot to tell him to turn on the fuel pump.? 
He did get a chance to do a full run a bit later.? I felt pretty 
embarrassed.? I was actually a bit embarrassed about my performance, I 
hit a LOT of cones, something I didn't usually do.? I shrugged it off, 
thinking I just had a bad day.? It wasn't until the drive home that I 
got to thinking about it, and realized the the VTR meet was like the 
second event with the new wheels.? I went from 6" Keizers to 8".? The 
backspacing was the same, so the wheels stuck out 2 inches more on each 
side. So Killer was effectively 4 inches wider, and I had not yet 
adjusted to it. ? So when I thought I was turning just a fraction of 
inch around a cone, I was actually closer than I thought so whack!

Still that was a fun event, and I think it may have been the last VTR 
annual convention I attended, ending my streak of 12 in a row.

I got to get back at it!

mjb.

ps:? Killer still loks like this.? Sigh.



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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Jul 13 12:38:41 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:38:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <D74D3CC2-FFF2-4808-AC2C-5F77D3B49EA0@mac.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
 <D74D3CC2-FFF2-4808-AC2C-5F77D3B49EA0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.19.1563043123.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

? I had a Facet but it was really loud.

The trick to a quiet Facet is not to mount it directly to sheet metal.  Use a soft mount (which can be as simple as a rubber grommet with a bolt through it) to an intermediate bracket, then soft mounts again to the sheet metal (if necessary).  Any ?big box? store sells metal that can be used for the intermediate bracket (got mine at Home Depot).

That?s what I did on Stag #1, and I can?t hear it from the driver?s seat with the engine running.

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Jul 13 12:41:34 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 13:41:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.20.1563043296.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

? don't forget the Facet filter!

Any FLAPS has that filter; it?s a standard Ford part. (Sorry, don?t recall exact application offhand.)  Paper element inside, so should be replaced every year or two.

-Randall
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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Jul 13 12:47:23 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:47:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric Fuel Pump Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <20190713184325.2DB4FA0BAC@autox.team.net>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <57B25565-BDEA-4C60-99F8-158DAD2463FF@mac.com>

I agree with you about sound deadening, the Hardi pump I have is mounted to the sheet metal behind the driver seat of my TR 3 and it is quiet even with that kind of mounting. When I first turn the key before starting the engine I can hear it a little bit as it pumps up to pressure and then that?s it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 13, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I had a Facet but it was really loud.
>  
> The trick to a quiet Facet is not to mount it directly to sheet metal.  Use a soft mount (which can be as simple as a rubber grommet with a bolt through it) to an intermediate bracket, then soft mounts again to the sheet metal (if necessary).  Any ?big box? store sells metal that can be used for the intermediate bracket (got mine at Home Depot).
>  
> That?s what I did on Stag #1, and I can?t hear it from the driver?s seat with the engine running.
>  
> -Randall
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jul 13 13:05:52 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 15:05:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Points Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20190713184418.2913AA0BC8@autox.team.net>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190713184418.2913AA0BC8@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1388300296.924040.1563044753244@connect.xfinity.com>

Argh.  No sooner switched back to points and condensor, then developed an intermittent engine stumble.  On inspection, the ground side of the new points I'd sourced were wiggly and loose as a toddler's tooth.  I had a spare pair of points that were much beefier...also very old it seems.  Test drive shows no stumble whatsoever. 


Any recommendations on where the best quality set of point is to be sourced?  (If anyone is concerned about espousing one parts supplier over another, feel free to ping me offline.) 


Thank you, everyone,

Terry  '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 16:34:11 2019
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:34:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] Points Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <1388300296.924040.1563044753244@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAO=iLWautgk3joE5NoCN54EgNtoNZYso-SvAYC=ut0PRcxNB5A@mail.gmail.com>

Terry, I've been very pleased with the points I bought from Advanced
Distributors ( https://www.advancedistributors.com/).  Jeff also carries
excellent rotors and assorted bits.  And of course his distributor work is
superb.

nfi, etc

jim

On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 3:07 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Argh.  No sooner switched back to points and condensor, then developed an
> intermittent engine stumble.  On inspection, the ground side of the new
> points I'd sourced were wiggly and loose as a toddler's tooth.  I had a
> spare pair of points that were much beefier...also very old it seems.  Test
> drive shows no stumble whatsoever.
>
>
> Any recommendations on where the best quality set of point is to be
> sourced?  (If anyone is concerned about espousing one parts supplier over
> another, feel free to ping me offline.)
>
>
> Thank you, everyone,
>
> Terry  '59 TR3A  TS 58667
>
> New Hampshire
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From tr6.guy at verizon.net  Sat Jul 13 16:58:18 2019
From: tr6.guy at verizon.net (Gary Klein)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:58:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Mystery Springs - Any Ideas?
Message-ID: <038601d539ce$767edf10$637c9d30$@verizon.net>

Everyone,

 

I've owned my '75 TR6 for more than 25 years now but I don't recall where
these springs might go.  

 

https://tinyurl.com/yyvttzcy 

I took my carbs off for an overhaul and when I removed I think it was the
front carb, they fell down under the car.  Anyone recognize them and can you
tell me where they go?  I'm out of ideas.

 

That's a 3/8" drive, 8mm socket for reference.  Thanks in advance,

Gary Klein
Digest

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 13 17:35:29 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:35:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fuel pump oops
In-Reply-To: <7c1f65cf-3110-2ef2-dda4-cfa536ccca61@bradakis.com>
References: <7c1f65cf-3110-2ef2-dda4-cfa536ccca61@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <4b274077-f6ec-a917-40d4-41a6c8621982@bradakis.com>

On 7/13/19 9:53 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> The discussion of electric fule pumps brought to mind a VTR convention 
> some years ago, 2001? in Breckenridge, Colorado.? I attended with the 
> Killer Spit.? The autocross was supposed to be held at a big parking 
> lot, local high school I think, but something happened and it was held 
> at one of the host hotel lots. Shucks, having a senior moment.? The 
> guy behind Council of Motorsports Clubs, who was living in Colorado, 
> and whose name just slipped my mind was responsible for the 
> autocross.? Near the end I offered to let him take Killer around the 
> course, he jumped at the chance.


Tom Blanchard, that was his name.

mjb.



From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sat Jul 13 19:24:14 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 18:24:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] Points Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAO=iLWautgk3joE5NoCN54EgNtoNZYso-SvAYC=ut0PRcxNB5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
 <16508033.13443.1562963186508@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAO8Q7CNW8tNhCyBbBGvXFr=KA6tdgeoj008iUNSKjfjtVV629g@mail.gmail.com>
 <20190713184418.2913AA0BC8@autox.team.net>
 <1388300296.924040.1563044753244@connect.xfinity.com>
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Message-ID: <D38B0738-1E4E-47D8-8F05-AF952BE17E55@comcast.net>

Yes, what J.C. said.  High standards come from Advanced. 
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 13, 2019, at 3:34 PM, J.C. Hassall <jhassall at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Terry, I've been very pleased with the points I bought from Advanced Distributors ( https://www.advancedistributors.com/).  Jeff also carries excellent rotors and assorted bits.  And of course his distributor work is superb.
> 
> nfi, etc
> 
> jim
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 3:07 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Argh.  No sooner switched back to points and condensor, then developed an intermittent engine stumble.  On inspection, the ground side of the new points I'd sourced were wiggly and loose as a toddler's tooth.  I had a spare pair of points that were much beefier...also very old it seems.  Test drive shows no stumble whatsoever.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Any recommendations on where the best quality set of point is to be sourced?  (If anyone is concerned about espousing one parts supplier over another, feel free to ping me offline.)  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thank you, everyone,
>> 
>> Terry  '59 TR3A  TS 58667
>> 
>> New Hampshire
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> 
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Jul 14 06:11:16 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 08:11:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR stuff on eBay
Message-ID: <000601d53a3d$3e2fbe30$ba8f3a90$@uprichard.net>

As part of my daily routine I generally flip through eBay to see what's
being sold.  But recently it seems to me there are less and less items.  Are
people advertising elsewhere (and if so, where?) or is this another example
of the ageing TR population with fewer cars and fewer people?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Mi

(now up to 6 TRs - oh dear)

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jul 14 09:55:08 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:55:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR stuff on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000601d53a3d$3e2fbe30$ba8f3a90$@uprichard.net>
References: <000601d53a3d$3e2fbe30$ba8f3a90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <7b98a38b-b932-f5d4-dff3-665df2f37485@verizon.net>

with EBay turning into a 'chinese amazon' it's gotten more and more 
complicated to post stuff.
My own Ebay profile is well of 800 transactions..... with the bulk 
being? buying Triumph parts... late 90's through to today.

It is very disheartening to see the loss of this resource for good used 
parts. I also have to believe more and more people
are hoarding hard to find parts (me included)...with less and less 
vendors gutting car just to sell the parts.

All I need is a frame and bare body shell...and yes...I could beuild a 
Spit from my spares. Even have brand new molded carpet kits,
very nice bonnets, door, glass, electrical harnesses, stainless steel 
windshield trim sets,? steering columns, good running engines
and o/d trannies, diffs and etc. The wife wants me to sell, but..... old 
habits die hard.

ptegler


On 7/14/2019 8:11 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:
>
> As part of my daily routine I generally flip through eBay to see 
> what?s being sold.? But recently it seems to me there are less and 
> less items.? Are people advertising elsewhere (and if so, where?) or 
> is this another example of the ageing TR population with fewer cars 
> and fewer people?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Mi
>
> (now up to 6 TRs ? oh dear)
>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Jul 14 11:19:31 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:19:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] car on eBay
Message-ID: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>

Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 74333ct?  A
body number perhaps, but not a vin.

 

There is a car on eBay (my favorite site - not) variously described as a
1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.

 

What's the consensus - a TR4A ?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

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From spitlist at cox.net  Sun Jul 14 11:29:11 2019
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:29:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] car on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
References: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1190863279.2979.1563125351963@myemail.cox.net>

It is a body number and it is a TR4 or TR4A.  Not sure when the changeover from TR4 to 4A happened but both have body numbers ending in the CT suffix.


> On July 14, 2019 at 1:19 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 74333ct?  A body number perhaps, but not a vin.
> 
>      
> 
>     There is a car on eBay (my favorite site ? not) variously described as a 1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.
> 
>      
> 
>     What?s the consensus ? a TR4A ?
> 
>      
> 
>     Andrew Uprichard
> 
>     Jackson, Michigan
> 
>      
> 


 

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Jul 14 11:31:46 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:31:46 +0100
Subject: [TR] car on eBay
In-Reply-To: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
References: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <392CA6CD-7288-4180-A11A-C09ABC82F2AE@Ukpips.org.uk>

Sounds to me like a 4a body number.

Remember, it?s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you?ve already removed your spurs!

> On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:19, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 74333ct?  A body number perhaps, but not a vin.
>  
> There is a car on eBay (my favorite site ? not) variously described as a 1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.
>  
> What?s the consensus ? a TR4A ?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>  
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jul 14 11:36:48 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 12:36:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] car on eBay
In-Reply-To: <392CA6CD-7288-4180-A11A-C09ABC82F2AE@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
 <392CA6CD-7288-4180-A11A-C09ABC82F2AE@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <FB50D876-CF53-4D95-AC6B-23D8895F1C39@flash.net>

Not finding it, have you got a link to the sale?
Bill

On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:31 PM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:

Sounds to me like a 4a body number.

Remember, it?s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you?ve already removed your spurs!

> On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:19, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 74333ct?  A body number perhaps, but not a vin.
>  
> There is a car on eBay (my favorite site ? not) variously described as a 1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.
>  
> What?s the consensus ? a TR4A ?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>  
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 14 11:52:24 2019
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 10:52:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] car on eBay
In-Reply-To: <FB50D876-CF53-4D95-AC6B-23D8895F1C39@flash.net>
References: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
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This looks like it:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Triumph-Other-2-door/173958187333


On 7/14/2019 10:36 AM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Not finding it, have you got a link to the sale?
> Bill
>
> On Jul 14, 2019, at 12:31 PM, John Macartney 
> <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>> 
> wrote:
>
> Sounds to me like a 4a body number.
>
> Remember, it?s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you?ve already 
> removed your spurs!
>
> On 14 Jul 2019, at 18:19, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net 
> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>
>> Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 
>> 74333ct?? A body number perhaps, but not a vin.
>>
>> There is a car on eBay (my favorite site ? not) variously described 
>> as a 1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.
>>
>> What?s the consensus ? a TR4A ?
>>
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>
>> Jackson, Michigan
>>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Jul 14 14:08:54 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:08:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] car on eBay
In-Reply-To: <37817099-3684-4235-B1C3-D8BDFB3F835D@yahoo.com>
References: <002501d53a68$4d6d5bc0$e8481340$@uprichard.net>
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Thanks for all the replies ? nice to know so many are active on the chat page !

I have no interest whatsoever in this car, but I am always amazed at what sellers claim on eBay:  the car is listed as a TR250, the Vin given by the seller is likely the body number of a TR4A and the description says it is a TR5 !!

Andrew

 

From: Dale Morgan [mailto:tpdwinch at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 3:54 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] car on eBay

 

Andrew

 

There were only about 68500 Tr 4. 4a?s produced. Though the body numbering did not match exactly the number of cars.  If this is a correct body Id it would put it near the end of those produced.  Only true way to find out would be to get a Heritage certificate.

 

Dale

Sent from my iPad


On Jul 14, 2019, at 1:19 PM, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net> wrote:

Am I right in thinking there is no Triumph TR vin which could be 74333ct?  A body number perhaps, but not a vin.

 

There is a car on eBay (my favorite site ? not) variously described as a 1967 TR250 and a TR5 with a V8 conversion.

 

What?s the consensus ? a TR4A ?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 17:30:32 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:30:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR stuff on eBay
In-Reply-To: <000601d53a3d$3e2fbe30$ba8f3a90$@uprichard.net>
References: <000601d53a3d$3e2fbe30$ba8f3a90$@uprichard.net>
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I don't browse as much, but it wouldn't surprise me, and I don't know where
the sellers  have gone.  Craigslist is not so good for special interest
stuff like old Triumph parts.  E-bay's policies (free listings) and fees (I
remember when it was less than 5% or so, now with PayPal about 15%) seem to
encourage mass marketers of junk steering wheel covers and colored
underbody LED lights, and discourage people when just want to dump a few
unwanted parts, because of fees and lost in the shuffle of all the junk.
Those that do sell oem are often bigger time dealers who list the same
thing over and over at crazy prices.

Rant Over

Greg Lemon
1968 TR250

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 7:16 AM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> As part of my daily routine I generally flip through eBay to see what?s
> being sold.  But recently it seems to me there are less and less items.
> Are people advertising elsewhere (and if so, where?) or is this another
> example of the ageing TR population with fewer cars and fewer people?
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Mi
>
> (now up to 6 TRs ? oh dear)
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From smithw1 at optonline.net  Sun Jul 14 20:40:08 2019
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 22:40:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Mystery Springs
Message-ID: <5A.D5.05532.987EB2D5@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>


Gary, while I? have no idea how they would get anywhere near the carbs (unless dropped there by accident), those springs look very much like those which are on the backside of the wheel center decoration pieces on the TR6 that the wheel nuts go through (black ones on the early 6's, and silver on the later ones).? BTW, those springs also fit the back of the wheel covers on TR7's with steel wheels.Bill Smith?'72 TR6'80 TR7?
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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Mon Jul 15 04:38:34 2019
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:38:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB37966D71CDCECD6BAD780327D4CF0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi,

Currently doing a frame-up on our TR2 - TS537L - and it's time to address the gas tank which hasn't leaked in the past and after an initial external clean-up looks pretty good.

I'm considering using the Eastwood kit to clean and coat it internally and would appreciate hearing the experiences of others who have done this - particularly how you kept the top vent from sealing shut with the coating compound.

Cheers,

Brian
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 15 05:38:13 2019
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:38:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB37966D71CDCECD6BAD780327D4CF0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Hi Brian-

I may be in the minority, but I am not a fan of the internal coating product as I had one fail in my TR4 and progressively small bits of the coating would clog the fuel line and give other troubles at the fuel pump.  I did not install the coating myself, just inherited it when I purchased the car.

If the tank is sound I'd consider some rust remover/mechanical agitation to sort it out and leave it as is.

That is an early car, good luck with it - I'm about 40 minutes south of you depending on the timing of the Cape Vincent ferry if you have need for a part.  Most of my stuff is for 3As though.

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From tr6.guy at verizon.net  Mon Jul 15 05:45:32 2019
From: tr6.guy at verizon.net (Gary Klein)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 07:45:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] Mystery Springs
In-Reply-To: <5A.D5.05532.987EB2D5@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <5A.D5.05532.987EB2D5@mta2.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <043401d53b02$cf620aa0$6e261fe0$@verizon.net>

Bill, thanks for the reply.  Yesterday I discovered where they go and am almost embarrassed to say where but I should end the mystery for those who may be wondering.  They are the springs that go on the back side of the Bypass Valve diaphragms.  I?d forgotten to install them when I?d broken down and overhauled the carbs 20 months ago.  No wonder I couldn?t get the carbs to run right.

 

Nobody wins the kewpie doll.

 

Gary

 

 

From: William Smith 
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 10:40 PM
To: tr6.guy at verizon.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Mystery Springs

 

 

Gary, while I  have no idea how they would get anywhere near the carbs (unless dropped there by accident), those springs look very much like those which are on the backside of the wheel center decoration pieces on the TR6 that the wheel nuts go through (black ones on the early 6's, and silver on the later ones).  BTW, those springs also fit the back of the wheel covers on TR7's with steel wheels.

Bill Smith 

'72 TR6

'80 TR7 

 

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 08:07:15 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:07:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Points Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <CAO=iLWautgk3joE5NoCN54EgNtoNZYso-SvAYC=ut0PRcxNB5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <049a01d538ec$82a5f810$87f1e830$@gmail.com>
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You are short a "d"

http://advanceddistributors.com


On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 6:34 PM J.C. Hassall <jhassall at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Terry, I've been very pleased with the points I bought from Advanced Distributors ( https://www.advancedistributors.com/).  Jeff also carries excellent rotors and assorted bits.  And of course his distributor work is superb.
>
> nfi, etc
>
> jim
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 3:07 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Argh.  No sooner switched back to points and condensor, then developed an intermittent engine stumble.  On inspection, the ground side of the new points I'd sourced were wiggly and loose as a toddler's tooth.  I had a spare pair of points that were much beefier...also very old it seems.  Test drive shows no stumble whatsoever.
>>
>>
>> Any recommendations on where the best quality set of point is to be sourced?  (If anyone is concerned about espousing one parts supplier over another, feel free to ping me offline.)
>>
>>
>> Thank you, everyone,
>>
>> Terry  '59 TR3A  TS 58667
>>
>> New Hampshire
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From jhassall at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 10:56:31 2019
From: jhassall at gmail.com (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:56:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Points Recommendation
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You're right, tnx. And there are those who contend I'm short a lot of
marbles :-)

jim

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 10:07 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
wrote:

> You are short a "d"
>
> http://advanceddistributors.com
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 6:34 PM J.C. Hassall <jhassall at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Terry, I've been very pleased with the points I bought from Advanced
> Distributors ( https://www.advancedistributors.com/).  Jeff also carries
> excellent rotors and assorted bits.  And of course his distributor work is
> superb.
> >
> > nfi, etc
> >
> > jim
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 13, 2019 at 3:07 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Argh.  No sooner switched back to points and condensor, then developed
> an intermittent engine stumble.  On inspection, the ground side of the new
> points I'd sourced were wiggly and loose as a toddler's tooth.  I had a
> spare pair of points that were much beefier...also very old it seems.  Test
> drive shows no stumble whatsoever.
> >>
> >>
> >> Any recommendations on where the best quality set of point is to be
> sourced?  (If anyone is concerned about espousing one parts supplier over
> another, feel free to ping me offline.)
> >>
> >>
> >> Thank you, everyone,
> >>
> >> Terry  '59 TR3A  TS 58667
> >>
> >> New Hampshire
> >>
> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >>
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> >
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> willing to work and give to those who would not.
> > Thomas Jefferson
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Jul 15 17:05:37 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:05:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] MGA
Message-ID: <1408814639.920305.1563231938103@connect.xfinity.com>

Just curious.  Looking at Craigslist cars, I'm seeing MGA's going for more than comparable TR3's.  Maybe it's just in NH, but it does seem strange that such an underpowered car as the MGA (what, 68 hp?), "triumphs" in price over TR3's (at what, 100 hp?).  Plus the TR3 has bug-eyes and more muscular swooping lines like a cheetah. 


Not to belittle the MGA.  It's a cool car.  But TR's keep up with modern traffick, and then some. 


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jul 15 18:34:12 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:34:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Seems to me that MGA has always held a slight edge in price. Why, I have no idea. Maybe it's the aluminum bonnet paired with the plywood floors :)

Many years ago, I actually lost a friend because he wanted a car "like mine" and I mentioned an MGA for sale.

I suspect the real reason has to do with the age-old question "Hey, buddy, Izzat a MG?" MG has the brand recognition reaching back to WWII. It's become synonymous with LBC (for some people).
-- Randall

On 15 July 2019 18:05:37 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>Just curious.  Looking at Craigslist cars, I'm seeing MGA's going for
>more than comparable TR3's.  Maybe it's just in NH, but it does seem
>strange that such an underpowered car as the MGA (what, 68 hp?),
>"triumphs" in price over TR3's (at what, 100 hp?).  Plus the TR3 has
>bug-eyes and more muscular swooping lines like a cheetah. 
>
>
>Not to belittle the MGA.  It's a cool car.  But TR's keep up with
>modern traffick, and then some. 
>
>
>Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
>New Hampshire
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jul 15 18:56:41 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 00:56:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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 Well, yeah, but....um.... the MGA has wooden floorboards.
Go figure.? There is no rhyme or reason.? Just what people want.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2019 6:05 pm
Subject: [TR] MGA

 Just curious.? Looking at Craigslist cars, I'm seeing MGA's going for more than comparable TR3's.? Maybe it's just in NH, but it does seem strange that such an underpowered car as the MGA (what, 68 hp?), "triumphs" in price over TR3's (at what, 100 hp?).? Plus the TR3 has bug-eyes and more muscular swooping lines like a cheetah.? 

Not to belittle the MGA.? It's a cool car.? But TR's keep up with modern traffick, and then some.? 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 22:34:31 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 23:34:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Ok, I'll bite, I have never had either car, but have driven many including
autocrossing an MGA and cross country trips in a TR3.  First of all the 88
hp vs. 100 for the Triumph seems like a lot more than 12 hp.  The TRactor
engine has gobs more torque and just pulls a lot stronger, especially from
lower RPM.

As all TR fans know there are very few experiences like driving a TR3, you
feel very connected to the car, the road, and your environment.  All things
are relative, and though an MGA is still light years more connected than a
modern car it is a GT cruiser compared to the rip roaring TR3, the chassis
also feels much more sophisticated, primarily because of the rack and
pinion steering but also a more compliant ride (once again all things being
relative).

Styling is a matter of taste, but most would agree the MG is prettier if
not better.  However, my theory on price difference is that more MGAs tend
to restored to better than new museum pieces, and treated as such, while
more TRs end up being "drivers" with a few warts and modifications for
performance and/or reliability, and we all know which type of car brings
more money.

I know of plenty of exceptions to this theory and you all probably do too,
but that is my story and I will stick with it.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:38 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> Seems to me that MGA has always held a slight edge in price. Why, I have
> no idea. Maybe it's the aluminum bonnet paired with the plywood floors :)
>
> Many years ago, I actually lost a friend because he wanted a car "like
> mine" and I mentioned an MGA for sale.
>
> I suspect the real reason has to do with the age-old question "Hey, buddy,
> Izzat a MG?" MG has the brand recognition reaching back to WWII. It's
> become synonymous with LBC (for some people).
> -- Randall
>
> On 15 July 2019 18:05:37 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>>
>> Just curious.  Looking at Craigslist cars, I'm seeing MGA's going for
>> more than comparable TR3's.  Maybe it's just in NH, but it does seem
>> strange that such an underpowered car as the MGA (what, 68 hp?), "triumphs"
>> in price over TR3's (at what, 100 hp?).  Plus the TR3 has bug-eyes and more
>> muscular swooping lines like a cheetah.
>>
>>
>> Not to belittle the MGA.  It's a cool car.  But TR's keep up with modern
>> traffick, and then some.
>>
>>
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>>
>> New Hampshire
>>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 10:37:55 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 12:37:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR stuff on eBay
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On Mon, Jul 15, 2019 at 12:40 PM Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> All I need is a frame and bare body shell...and yes...I could beuild a Spit from my spares

Me too, except I also have two frames and a tub, just in case.

Anybody want to make a deal?

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jul 16 10:55:08 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:55:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Many many years ago, I took a road trip in my TR3A, along with a buddy in an MGA.  I don?t think either of us even owned a top; let alone had room for it along with the suitcases and so on.

Driving down US 1 on the east coast, we saw a huge thunderstorm heading our way.  I apologized to my friend, then floored the TR and like the old song, wound it up to 110, knowing his MG wouldn?t top 85 on a good day (maybe downhill with a tail wind).  I stayed dry, guess who got soaked!

We?re still good friends after all these years, but he gave up on the MG and bought an Amphicar instead. 

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From herald948 at aol.com  Tue Jul 16 12:27:00 2019
From: herald948 at aol.com (Andrew S Mace)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:27:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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 I honestly don't see how an Amphicar can go fast enough to keep you dry through a thunderstorm. On the other hand, check current prices on Amphicars v. TR3s; the difference will buy you a very nice clothes dryer...and a fair portion of a nice tidy little bungalow to keep it in! So...who really won? ;)
 
--Andy
Andrew Mace
herald948 at aol.com 

Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:55:08 -0500
From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Many many years ago, I took a road trip in my TR3A, along with a buddy in an MGA.? I don?t think either of us even owned a top; let alone had room for it along with the suitcases and so on.

Driving down US 1 on the east coast, we saw a huge thunderstorm heading our way.? I apologized to my friend, then floored the TR and like the old song, wound it up to 110, knowing his MG wouldn?t top 85 on a good day (maybe downhill with a tail wind).? I stayed dry, guess who got soaked!

We?re still good friends after all these years, but he gave up on the MG and bought an Amphicar instead. 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jul 16 12:47:26 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 14:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that? 


Relative aesthetics of these old cars are, of course, subjective.  Performance, though, is math. 


Terry Smith '59 TR3A

New Hampshire

> On July 16, 2019 at 12:55 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Many many years ago, I took a road trip in my TR3A, along with a buddy in an MGA.  I don?t think either of us even owned a top; let alone had room for it along with the suitcases and so on.
> 
>      
> 
>     Driving down US 1 on the east coast, we saw a huge thunderstorm heading our way.  I apologized to my friend, then floored the TR and like the old song, wound it up to 110, knowing his MG wouldn?t top 85 on a good day (maybe downhill with a tail wind).  I stayed dry, guess who got soaked!
> 
>      
> 
>     We?re still good friends after all these years, but he gave up on the MG and bought an Amphicar instead.
> 
>      
> 
>     Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
> 
>      
> 


 

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From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:40:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGA
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110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.  A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)

And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )

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From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA

That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that??
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jul 16 17:48:25 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:48:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Hmmm.  So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.  The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.  The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.


All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.  Anybody?


Terry

> On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.  A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
> 
>      
> 
>     And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
> 
>      
> 
>     Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
> 
>      
> 
>     From: TERRY SMITH mailto:terryrs at comcast.net
>     Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
>     To: Randall mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com
>     Cc: Triumphs mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
>     Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
> 
>      
> 
>     That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that? 
> 


 

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 16 18:13:57 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 00:13:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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 but he gave up on the MG and bought an Amphicar instead.


into the fire as the saying goes

frank

    On Tuesday, July 16, 2019, 09:58:57 AM PDT, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 
Many many years ago, I took a road trip in my TR3A, along with a buddy in an MGA.? I don?t think either of us even owned a top; let alone had room for it along with the suitcases and so on.

 ?

Driving down US 1 on the east coast, we saw a huge thunderstorm heading our way.? I apologized to my friend, then floored the TR and like the old song, wound it up to 110, knowing his MG wouldn?t top 85 on a good day (maybe downhill with a tail wind).? I stayed dry, guess who got soaked!

 ?

We?re still good friends after all these years, but he gave up on the MG and bought an Amphicar instead. 

 ?

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 19:19:41 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:19:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
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So..... I knew i needed to coat my gas tank since the car was so old as
well as the condition of my TR4 tank.
To see just how bad it was, I gutted a usb cam and dropped it down my TR2
gas tank expecting to see the worst. It looked great. My tank is galvanized
inside and out.

Anyone else have one like this?

Sent from my TRASH-80

On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:38 AM Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <
deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Brian-
>
> I may be in the minority, but I am not a fan of the internal coating
> product as I had one fail in my TR4 and progressively small bits of the
> coating would clog the fuel line and give other troubles at the fuel pump.
> I did not install the coating myself, just inherited it when I purchased
> the car.
>
> If the tank is sound I'd consider some rust remover/mechanical agitation
> to sort it out and leave it as is.
>
> That is an early car, good luck with it - I'm about 40 minutes south of
> you depending on the timing of the Cape Vincent ferry if you have need for
> a part.  Most of my stuff is for 3As though.
>
> Cheers
> Randy
>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jul 16 20:38:23 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:38:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
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Hey, I got one of those inspection cams for Fathers Day.  Been looking for a first time to need it, good idea.  
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 16, 2019, at 8:19 PM, Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> wrote:

So..... I knew i needed to coat my gas tank since the car was so old as well as the condition of my TR4 tank.
To see just how bad it was, I gutted a usb cam and dropped it down my TR2 gas tank expecting to see the worst. It looked great. My tank is galvanized inside and out.

Anyone else have one like this?

Sent from my TRASH-80

> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:38 AM Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian-
> 
> I may be in the minority, but I am not a fan of the internal coating product as I had one fail in my TR4 and progressively small bits of the coating would clog the fuel line and give other troubles at the fuel pump.  I did not install the coating myself, just inherited it when I purchased the car.  
> 
> If the tank is sound I'd consider some rust remover/mechanical agitation to sort it out and leave it as is.
> 
> That is an early car, good luck with it - I'm about 40 minutes south of you depending on the timing of the Cape Vincent ferry if you have need for a part.  Most of my stuff is for 3As though.
> 
> Cheers
> Randy
>  
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 05:26:28 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 07:26:28 -0400
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
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Brian, sorry I didn't answer your question better earlier.

I've only used a product called red-cote (or red-kote). It's been around 10
years ago (wow, that long) Tank is not leaking and have had no carb or fuel
filter issues. I cut all fuel filters open whenever I change one out to see
if any rust or signs of future failure are ahead.

I have no idea what the inside of the tank looks like... l don't want to
drop my dismembered USB can in a tank with gas in it....

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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Jul 17 10:30:54 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:30:54 GMT
Subject: [TR] MGA
Message-ID: <678fd0ba-8770-48de-9aa8-f5a7955d223d@me.com>

One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster. ?It had a?1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,?two separate ignition manifolds?and?two ignition coils. ?It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. ?So this car isn't comparable to a?Triumph or MGA of that era.

Rye
1960 TR3A
1963 356
1968 912
1988 911 Carrera



On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

Hmmm.? So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.? The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.? The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.? Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.? As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.? The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.? The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.? Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.? The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.? Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.

All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.? Anybody?

Terry
On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote: 

110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.? Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.? A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.? (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
?
And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.? (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
?
That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that??

?
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jul 17 11:16:54 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:16:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Cool.  Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.  So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?

> On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>     One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, two separate ignition manifolds and two ignition coils.  It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman.  So this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that era.
> 
>      
>     Rye
>     1960 TR3A
>     1963 356
>     1968 912
>     1988 911 Carrera
> 
> 
> 
>     On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>         > > 
> >         Hmmm.  So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.  The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.  The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.
> > 
> > 
> >         All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.  Anybody?
> > 
> > 
> >         Terry
> > 
> >             > > > On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.  A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             From: TERRY SMITH mailto:terryrs at comcast.net
> > >             Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
> > >             To: Randall mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> > >             Cc: Triumphs mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> > >             Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
> > > 
> > >              
> > > 
> > >             That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that? 
> > > 
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> > 
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Jul 17 13:26:58 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:26:58 GMT
Subject: [TR] MGA
Message-ID: <42423d7a-c520-45df-b794-b3dcbcf9d259@me.com>

I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. ?It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car. ?The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that car. ?At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph. ?It was the smallest engine in the race, and?they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. ?If they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.

The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it. ?The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/





On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

Cool.? Thanks, Rye.? That's sort of what I'm asking.? Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.? So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote: 

One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster. ?It had a?1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,?two separate ignition manifolds?and?two ignition coils. ?It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. ?So this car isn't comparable to a?Triumph or MGA of that era.

?
Rye 
1960 TR3A
1963 356
1968 912
1988 911 Carrera



On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

Hmmm.? So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.? The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.? The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.? Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.? As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.? The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.? The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.? Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.? The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.? Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.

All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.? Anybody?

Terry
On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote: 

110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.? Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.? A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.? (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
?
And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.? (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
?
That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that??

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 14:45:22 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:45:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Eastwood Gas Tank Kit
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I bought a 76 Spitfire last fall...35,000 miles since new.  I don't
know how long it had been sitting before the seller inherited it, but
I couldn't figure out what was wrong with the tank, because it had
something shiny in the bottom.  Turned out to be the bottom of the
tank.

To be fair, the seller had put new gas in it, and had some other work
done to attempt to get it running, but I'm pretty sure they didn't
pull the tank and replace it.

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 9:20 PM Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So..... I knew i needed to coat my gas tank since the car was so old as well as the condition of my TR4 tank.
> To see just how bad it was, I gutted a usb cam and dropped it down my TR2 gas tank expecting to see the worst. It looked great. My tank is galvanized inside and out.
>
> Anyone else have one like this?
>
> Sent from my TRASH-80
>
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2019, 7:38 AM Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Brian-
>>
>> I may be in the minority, but I am not a fan of the internal coating product as I had one fail in my TR4 and progressively small bits of the coating would clog the fuel line and give other troubles at the fuel pump.  I did not install the coating myself, just inherited it when I purchased the car.
>>
>> If the tank is sound I'd consider some rust remover/mechanical agitation to sort it out and leave it as is.
>>
>> That is an early car, good luck with it - I'm about 40 minutes south of you depending on the timing of the Cape Vincent ferry if you have need for a part.  Most of my stuff is for 3As though.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Randy
>>
>>
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Wed Jul 17 17:43:29 2019
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 19:43:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] MGA
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Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?


Ed

> On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>      
>     I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary.  It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car.  The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that car.  At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph.  It was the smallest engine in the race, and they won the race, and that started Porsche racing.  If they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.
> 
>     The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it.  The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.
> 
>     https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>         > > 
> >         Cool.  Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.  So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
> > 
> >             > > > On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >             One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, two separate ignition manifolds and two ignition coils.  It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman.  So this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that era.
> > > 
> > >              
> > >             Rye
> > >             1960 TR3A
> > >             1963 356
> > >             1968 912
> > >             1988 911 Carrera
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Hmmm.  So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.  The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.  The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.  Anybody?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Terry
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.  A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
> > > > > 
> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
> > > > > 
> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     Sent from Mail https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 for Windows 10
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> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     From: TERRY SMITH mailto:terryrs at comcast.net
> > > > >                     Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
> > > > >                     To: Randall mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> > > > >                     Cc: Triumphs mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> > > > >                     Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
> > > > > 
> > > > >                      
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that? 
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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Jul 17 17:51:35 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 23:51:35 GMT
Subject: [TR] MGA
Message-ID: <acc4e226-efbc-4f0a-b6d9-4d6a05b1afc5@me.com>

IDK, look at that video and that still photo at about 2:30 minute mark and you tell me if those are MGAs. ?I thought they were, but maybe not.

Rye


On July 17, 2019 at 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:

Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?

Ed
On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote: 

?
I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary. ?It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car. ?The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that car. ?At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph. ?It was the smallest engine in the race, and?they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. ?If they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.

The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it. ?The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/





On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

Cool.? Thanks, Rye.? That's sort of what I'm asking.? Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.? So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote: 

One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster. ?It had a?1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,?two separate ignition manifolds?and?two ignition coils. ?It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. ?So this car isn't comparable to a?Triumph or MGA of that era.

?
Rye 
1960 TR3A
1963 356
1968 912
1988 911 Carrera



On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

Hmmm.? So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.? The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.? The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.? Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.? As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.? The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.? The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.? Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.? The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.? Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.

All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.? Anybody?

Terry
On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote: 

110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.? Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.? A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.? (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
?
And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.? (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ? )
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
?
That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that??

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From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:58:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] MGA
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On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:
>
> Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the 
> MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=p2qrOg8COx8

Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes


>
> Ed
>
>> On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the 
>> racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is 
>> legendary. ?It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le 
>> Mans with a 1.1 liter car. ?The link below is to a fantastic video of 
>> the restoration of that car. ?At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a 
>> still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but 
>> I don't see a Triumph. ?It was the smallest engine in the race, 
>> and?they won the race, and that started Porsche racing. ?If they had 
>> lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.
>>
>> The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through 
>> years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le 
>> Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it. ?The CEO of 
>> Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.
>>
>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool. Thanks, Rye.? That's sort of what I'm asking.? Engine size can 
>>> be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.? So the Spyder was 
>>> 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
>>>
>>>> On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of 
>>>> only 90 produced, not a Speedster. ?It had a?1.5 liter engine, but 
>>>> it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, two separate 
>>>> ignition manifolds?and?two ignition coils. ?It was also a mid 
>>>> engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman. ?So 
>>>> this car isn't comparable to a?Triumph or MGA of that era.
>>>>
>>>> Rye
>>>> 1960 TR3A
>>>> 1963 356
>>>> 1968 912
>>>> 1988 911 Carrera
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 
>>>>> Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the 
>>>>> Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James 
>>>>> Dean died in one.? The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.? The Jaguar XK 
>>>>> 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.? Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 
>>>>> 1.3 liter engine.? As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 
>>>>> 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.? 
>>>>> The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.? The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 
>>>>> liters.? Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six 
>>>>> cylinder engines.? The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister 
>>>>> called it her putt-putt.? Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the 
>>>>> same 2 liter engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might 
>>>>> have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against 
>>>>> these. Anybody?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry
>>>>>
>>>>>> On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 110 mph in 4^th OD is only 4500 rpm. Not what I call ?crank 
>>>>>> shattering rpm?.? A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of 
>>>>>> course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in 
>>>>>> the 70s.? (I actually found a set that had been returned to 
>>>>>> Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even 
>>>>>> less than the usual price.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.? (Speed 
>>>>>> enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ???? )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> 
>>>>>> for Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *TERRY SMITH <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
>>>>>> *To: *Randall <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Triumphs <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [TR] MGA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm 
>>>>>> referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that 
>>>>>> clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the 
>>>>>> various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their 
>>>>>> competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up 
>>>>>> to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 10:11:49 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 11:11:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] MGA
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MGA Prototype, EX172 based on the MG TD.
http://www.classiccarportraits.co.uk/pages2/MG_EX172_1951.htm

raced by MG at LeMans.

Triumphs and MGs did not generally  race in the same class SCCA in the 50s,
though they would often be in the same combined class for races.  Here is
the most comprehensive site I know of for fifties and sixties (the best!)
sports car racing
http://www.maseratiexperts.com/SCCA%20results%20test%20page.htm don't know
why this doesn't show up as a link, but worked when I copied and pasted,
scroll down for entry fields and results by year.

Of interest in 1968 the TR250 was very competitive with the then 2 liter
911 in C production SCCA, but they could not quite get it done in the
championship race

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 6:59 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:
>
> Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA.
> So what's wrong here? The year?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=p2qrOg8COx8
>
> Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes
>
>
>
> Ed
>
> On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> <ryel at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing
> heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary.  It
> all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1
> liter car.  The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of
> that car.  At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the
> race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph.  It
> was the smallest engine in the race, and they won the race, and that
> started Porsche racing.  If they had lost or not done well, history of
> Porsche would have been changed.
>
> The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years
> of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and
> then they did an amazing job to restore it.  The CEO of Kettle potato
> chips, he is the owner of the car.
>
>
> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/
>
>
>
>
>
> On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Cool.  Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine size can be
> made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.  So the Spyder was 500 cc's
> smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
>
> On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> <ryel at mac.com>
> wrote:
>
> One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90
> produced, not a Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera
> engine with twin overhead cams, two separate ignition manifolds and two
> ignition coils.  It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the
> current Boxter and Cayman.  So this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or
> MGA of that era.
>
>
> Rye
> 1960 TR3A
> 1963 356
> 1968 912
> 1988 911 Carrera
>
>
>
> On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hmmm.  So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche
> 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or
> even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA
> had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karmann Ghia
> had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850
> started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.
> The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.
> Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.  The
> Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.
> Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.
>
>
> All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I
> remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.  Anybody?
>
>
> Terry
>
> On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
> 110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.  Not what I call ?crank shattering
> rpm?.  A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners
> were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.  (I actually found a set
> that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC
> Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
>
>
>
> And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed
> enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ???? )
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
> *To: *Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> *Cc: *Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [TR] MGA
>
>
>
> That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm
> referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along
> between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the various cruising speeds
> and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day,
> cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody
> familiar with that?
>
>
>
>
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From ryel at mac.com  Fri Jul 19 08:36:42 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:36:42 GMT
Subject: [TR] MGA
Message-ID: <b6f07b15-9592-417e-a13d-c74c96cc7792@me.com>

Thanks Greg - that certainly explains the two MGA looking cars in that photo in 1951.

Rye

On July 18, 2019 at 9:13 AM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:

MGA Prototype, EX172 based on the MG TD.? ?http://www.classiccarportraits.co.uk/pages2/MG_EX172_1951.htm

raced by MG at LeMans.

Triumphs and MGs did not generally? race in the same class SCCA in the 50s, though they would often be in the same combined class for races.? Here is the most comprehensive site I know of for fifties and sixties (the best!) sports car racing http://www.maseratiexperts.com/SCCA%20results%20test%20page.htm don't know why this doesn't show up as a link, but worked when I copied and pasted, scroll down for entry fields and results by year.

Of interest in 1968 the TR250 was very competitive with the then 2 liter 911 in C production SCCA, but they could not quite get it done in the championship race

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019, 6:59 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:
Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=p2qrOg8COx8
Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes


Ed
On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote: 

?
I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is legendary.? It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le Mans with a 1.1 liter car.? The link below is to a fantastic video of the restoration of that car.? At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but I don't see a Triumph.? It was the smallest engine in the race, and?they won the race, and that started Porsche racing.? If they had lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.

The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it.? The CEO of Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/





On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

Cool.? Thanks, Rye.? That's sort of what I'm asking.? Engine size can be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.? So the Spyder was 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote: 

One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of only 90 produced, not a Speedster.? It had a?1.5 liter engine, but it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams,?two separate ignition manifolds?and?two ignition coils.? It was also a mid engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman.? So this car isn't comparable to a?Triumph or MGA of that era.

?
Rye 
1960 TR3A
1963 356
1968 912
1988 911 Carrera



On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

Hmmm.? So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James Dean died in one.? The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.? The Jaguar XK 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.? Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 1.3 liter engine.? As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.? The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.? The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 liters.? Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six cylinder engines.? The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister called it her putt-putt.? Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the same 2 liter engine.

All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against these.? Anybody?

Terry
On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote: 

110 mph in 4th OD is only 4500 rpm.? Not what I call ?crank shattering rpm?.? A stock TR3 won?t usually run that fast of course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in the 70s.? (I actually found a set that had been returned to Warshawski?s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even less than the usual price.)
?
And I?ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.? (Speed enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ???? )
?
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From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
To: Randall
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] MGA
?
That reminds me.? When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that clips along between 70 and 80 mph.? I've been curious about the various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up to crank shattering rpm's.? Anybody familiar with that??

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jul 20 10:08:18 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:08:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
Message-ID: <1690787000.1035799.1563638898584@connect.xfinity.com>

I'm still researching this but thought I'd ask anyway.  I've a Spal pusher fan with a thermostat from years ago I never installed.  Deciding to install it because the 3 is running fine at thermostat temp on the road, but shortly after I shut down in this heat it barely starts again and runs rough until the float bowls clear. Letting the fan run after shut down ought to help keep the float bowls from overheating. 


Awhile ago I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit.  So question.  Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp sensor for the fan also?  The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of resistance affected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it the same as the gauge is puzzling.


Thanks, everyone (again!)

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Jul 20 10:27:59 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:27:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
In-Reply-To: <1690787000.1035799.1563638898584@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1690787000.1035799.1563638898584@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <66E66D3F-4212-4587-8B41-E3911A2ED004@ca.rr.com>

I believe it could be done, but not with standard electronics.

Most fan controls are looking for a contact closure, so obviously they aren't going to work with a gauge sender.

Even with a fan control that expects a variable resistance (like the gauge does), it will "read" that resistance by passing a current through it, and measuring the resulting voltage. The gauge does the same thing. But with current from two sources, the voltage will be much higher, which will confuse both fan and gauge.

One way around that is to build your own fan controller that only looks at voltage. Not hard to do, one IC, one transistor, and a handful of resistors will do the job. But probably more than most want to tackle. It also makes fan operation depend in the gauge, which might not be desirable.

FWIW, since my car lacks the optional heater, it was easy to mount a fan sensor in the heater return fitting on the water pump housing. Although I did not try it, I believe you could put a tee in that hole, and connect both heater return and fan sensor. Heater operation would affect the fan to some extent, but I think not enough to matter.
-- Randall

On 20 July 2019 11:08:18 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>I'm still researching this but thought I'd ask anyway.  I've a Spal
>pusher fan with a thermostat from years ago I never installed. 
>Deciding to install it because the 3 is running fine at thermostat temp
>on the road, but shortly after I shut down in this heat it barely
>starts again and runs rough until the float bowls clear. Letting the
>fan run after shut down ought to help keep the float bowls from
>overheating. 
>
>
>Awhile ago I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit.  So
>question.  Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp
>sensor for the fan also?  The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of
>resistance affected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it
>the same as the gauge is puzzling.
>
>
>Thanks, everyone (again!)
>
>Terry Smith  '59 TR3A
>
>New Hampshire
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jul 20 15:59:27 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
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Thanks, Randall.  I really like the idea of T'ing off the heater return.  Looks like 3/8ths but don't know for sure until I break it down.  Meanwhile, when I opened the Spal fan box, I see the thermostat switch failed to make it into the packaging.  Much to late to go to the dealer.  On Amazon I see a variety of thermo fan switches 185/195, but none seem rated very well.  Could be poor wiring, I suppose. 


Any recommendations on thermo fan switches?


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire where we're always complaining...bugs, mud, cold, freezing cold, icy cold, sleety cold, ...and now heat.

> On July 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>     I believe it could be done, but not with standard electronics.
> 
>     Most fan controls are looking for a contact closure, so obviously they aren't going to work with a gauge sender.
> 
>     Even with a fan control that expects a variable resistance (like the gauge does), it will "read" that resistance by passing a current through it, and measuring the resulting voltage. The gauge does the same thing. But with current from two sources, the voltage will be much higher, which will confuse both fan and gauge.
> 
>     One way around that is to build your own fan controller that only looks at voltage. Not hard to do, one IC, one transistor, and a handful of resistors will do the job. But probably more than most want to tackle. It also makes fan operation depend in the gauge, which might not be desirable.
> 
>     FWIW, since my car lacks the optional heater, it was easy to mount a fan sensor in the heater return fitting on the water pump housing. Although I did not try it, I believe you could put a tee in that hole, and connect both heater return and fan sensor. Heater operation would affect the fan to some extent, but I think not enough to matter.
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 20 July 2019 11:08:18 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         I'm still researching this but thought I'd ask anyway.  I've a Spal pusher fan with a thermostat from years ago I never installed.  Deciding to install it because the 3 is running fine at thermostat temp on the road, but shortly after I shut down in this heat it barely starts again and runs rough until the float bowls clear. Letting the fan run after shut down ought to help keep the float bowls from overheating. 
> > 
> > 
> >         Awhile ago I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit.  So question.  Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp sensor for the fan also?  The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of resistance affected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it the same as the gauge is puzzling.
> > 
> > 
> >         Thanks, everyone (again!)
> > 
> >         Terry Smith  '59 TR3A
> > 
> >         New Hampshire
> > 
> >     > 


 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Jul 20 16:19:14 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:19:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
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Terry,
I picked a thermo fan switch at VB for about $20. 
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jul 20, 2019, at 4:59 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

Thanks, Randall.  I really like the idea of T'ing off the heater return.  Looks like 3/8ths but don't know for sure until I break it down.  Meanwhile, when I opened the Spal fan box, I see the thermostat switch failed to make it into the packaging.  Much to late to go to the dealer.  On Amazon I see a variety of thermo fan switches 185/195, but none seem rated very well.  Could be poor wiring, I suppose.  



Any recommendations on thermo fan switches?



Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire where we're always complaining...bugs, mud, cold, freezing cold, icy cold, sleety cold, ...and now heat.

> On July 20, 2019 at 12:27 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote: 
> 
> I believe it could be done, but not with standard electronics. 
> 
> Most fan controls are looking for a contact closure, so obviously they aren't going to work with a gauge sender. 
> 
> Even with a fan control that expects a variable resistance (like the gauge does), it will "read" that resistance by passing a current through it, and measuring the resulting voltage. The gauge does the same thing But with current from two sources, the voltage will be much higher, which will confuse both fan and gauge. 
> 
> One way around that is to build your own fan controller that only looks at voltage. Not hard to do, one IC, one transistor, and a handful of resistors will do the job. But probably more than most want to tackle. It also makes fan operation depend in the gauge, which might not be desirable. 
> 
> FWIW, since my car lacks the optional heater, it was easy to mount a fan sensor in the heater return fitting on the water pump housing. Although I did not try it, I believe you could put a tee in that hole, and connect both heater return and fan sensor. Heater operation would affect the fan to some extent, but I think not enough to matter. 
> -- Randall 
> 
> On 20 July 2019 11:08:18 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> I'm still researching this but thought I'd ask anyway.  I've a Spal pusher fan with a thermostat from years ago I never installed.  Deciding to install it because the 3 is running fine at thermostat temp on the road, but shortly after I shut down in this heat it barely starts again and runs rough until the float bowls clear. Letting the fan run after shut down ought to help keep the float bowls from overheating.  
> 
> 
> 
> Awhile ago I installed SunPro electric temp guage and sending unit.  So question.  Can you use the same temp gauge sending unit as the temp sensor for the fan also?  The temp gauge sensor uses some sort of resistance affected by heat, I suppose, but whether the fan reads it the same as the gauge is puzzling.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, everyone (again!)
> 
> Terry Smith  '59 TR3A
> 
> New Hampshire
> 

 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Jul 20 17:25:54 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 18:25:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spal Fan Installation
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Sorry, I don?t.  Not finding the switch I wanted was one of the primary reasons I ?rolled my own? controller.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: TERRY SMITH
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 4:59 PM
To: Randall; triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Spal Fan Installation

Thanks, Randall.? I really like the idea of T'ing off the heater return.? Looks like 3/8ths but don't know for sure until I break it down.? Meanwhile, when I opened the Spal fan box, I see the thermostat switch failed to make it into the packaging.? Much to late to go to the dealer.? On Amazon I see a variety of thermo fan switches 185/195, but none seem rated very well.? Could be poor wiring, I suppose.? 

Any recommendations on thermo fan switches?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire where we're always complaining...bugs, mud, cold, freezing cold, icy cold, sleety cold, ...and now heat.
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 10:40:47 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:40:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] spitfire and GT6
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looking at grouping some of the triumphs for an upcoming all british car show.as always when its an all marque we have limited funds and consequently prizes.
how close are the spitfire and GT6 as a class?
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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 24 14:27:52 2019
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:27:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 169
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We have an all-British Car Show in July (just had it) every year and we've always (at least as long as I've been involved) combined Spitfire and GT6. Things are basically the same except coupe vs. convertible and 4 vs 6 cyl.

Joel...


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 14:47:20 2019
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Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:47:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 169
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 Joel.thats my thinking?i was just wanting to see if i was a mile off base
Frank
    On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 01:28:19 PM PDT, Joel E. Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
  We have an all-British Car Show in July (just had it) every year and we've always (at least as long as I've been involved) combined Spitfire and GT6. Things are basically the same except coupe vs. convertible and 4 vs 6 cyl.
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 14:52:31 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 20:52:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 169
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 would you group the TR250/5 with the TR4 or the TR6?



    On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 01:28:19 PM PDT, Joel E. Justin <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
  We have an all-British Car Show in July (just had it) every year and we've always (at least as long as I've been involved) combined Spitfire and GT6. Things are basically the same except coupe vs. convertible and 4 vs 6 cyl.
Joel...

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Jul 24 15:01:40 2019
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:01:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 169
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I have been a part of the KC All British Show for many years.

We used to have two Spitfire (round tail/ square tail) classes and one 
GT6 class.


But over the years,? we have had fewer (read none) round tail Spitfires 
and only occasional GT6s.? So now we only have a Spitfire/GT6 class.?? 
As owner of both a GT6 and a Spitfire I have? no complaints. Though my 
GT6 has not yet been in shape to drive to a show.


We try to add classes if we have at least 3 cars that we think would 
make a class for two or three years in a row.? Drop them by the same token.


We have TR250 with the TR4 and TR4A based on body style.


Roger


On 7/24/19 3:27 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:
> We have an all-British Car Show in July (just had it) every year and 
> we've always (at least as long as I've been involved) combined 
> Spitfire and GT6. Things are basically the same except coupe vs. 
> convertible and 4 vs 6 cyl.
>
> Joel...
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 24 16:28:41 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 169
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 thanks
    On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 02:01:56 PM PDT, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:  
 
  
I have been a part of the KC All British Show for many years.
 
 
We used to have two Spitfire (round tail/ square tail) classes and one GT6 class.? 
 
 

 But over the years,? we have had fewer (read none) round tail Spitfires and only occasional GT6s.? So now we only have a Spitfire/GT6 class.?? As owner of both a GT6 and a Spitfire I have? no complaints. Though my GT6 has not yet been in shape to drive to a show. 
 
 

 We try to add classes if we have at least 3 cars that we think would make a class for two or three years in a row.? Drop them by the same token.
 
 

 We have TR250 with the TR4 and TR4A based on body style.? 
 
 

 Roger
 
 

 
 On 7/24/19 3:27 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:
  
 
 We have an all-British Car Show in July (just had it) every year and we've always (at least as long as I've been involved) combined Spitfire and GT6. Things are basically the same except coupe vs. convertible and 4 vs 6 cyl.  
   Joel...  
    
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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Jul 24 18:26:32 2019
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 19:26:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6
Message-ID: <F67BB6D6-13A4-4AAC-B5D1-35C06C175E08@cox.net>

Hi Frank, as far as how similar the cars are, they are really not.  Although they look similar and the GT6 just looks like a fastback couple version of the Spitfire, its anything but.  Very few parts the same although some interior stuff is, but all kinds of small differences even there.  Biggest differences of course are engine, gearbox, suspension, brakes.  Fully independent rear suspension on the MkIII GT6.  Most of the bodywork is different as well with both large and small differences, although they look similar.

The biggest difference, though, if you are setting up classes, are numbers.  Many Spitfires out there, very common and some very nice ones.  GT6s are much more uncommon.  If they were combined in the same class, would a GT6 ever win, just due to sheer numbers of Spitfires?

My 2 cents.

Good luck with your show.




From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jul 24 19:38:10 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:38:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Cooling
Message-ID: <1142859508.1145549.1564018690741@connect.xfinity.com>

First, thank you Randall.  I'd been experiencing a proper temperature during driving, but upon shut down, the float bowls overheated and made restart chancy until the float bowls cleared.  I installed a Spal Fan with a temp switch (with a manual override) not spliced to the key, but to the battery.  Drove on an errand, and my worry that the fan woul impede airflow through the radiator was unrealized.  Car ran at 180 perfectly.  But imagine my surprise coming out of Wally World with a new gallon of Prestone coolant concentrate, then heard this roaring sound coming from the car next to mine.  Nope.  It was from MY car.  The engine bay on shut down had overheated and the temp switch had kicked in like it was supposed to.  The fan was cooling the engine bay.  Car started right up.  Love it!


Randall suggested putting a T connector in the heater return hose, but I did change that to put it under the heater control valve.  See attached.  I worried the temp switch would crowd coolant flow to the heater, but test driving the heater showed not an issue, at least yet.  Good hot air coming out.  (I couldn't completely swap the fan for the heater (forgoing the heater control valve) because NH is spurious in its climate.  I'll need that heater come October.)  Note:  all connectors were 3/8ths NPT. 


So again, thank you all.  We're on pace for the hottest July on record.  An electric cooling fan is exceedingly timely. 


Car is completely sorted and running awesome.


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jul 24 19:44:23 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:44:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Radiator Shroud
Message-ID: <666464598.1145631.1564019063445@connect.xfinity.com>

When I restored the '3, I put in the usual cardboard shroud.  It lasted--I don't know--maybe three years?  Got caught several times in hard rain.  Next, I bought another cardboard shroud, but this time I used the plastic from a garage sale shower wall.  It lasted--I don't know--maybe five years, then cracked apart. 


While installing a new electric fan, I took the time while I was in there to use the cardboard shroud to trace out a shroud using this time a floor mat I'd had around that goes underneath a chair on a hardwood floor (no little spikes on the bottom).  In this heat, the floor mat was entirely flexible and bent easily, though it won't at lower temps.  Couple of screws to hold it down and done is done.


Looking forward to seeing how it does.  Gotta be better than cardboard. 


Meanwhile, with all these car mods, I'm thinking I could have been an engineer.  Just needed two things:  1)  more brains; and 3) more gray matter....


:o)

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 20:44:38 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:44:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Radiator Shroud
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VHP 529, an Apple Green ex-works TR3A, is owned by a friend of mine in the
UK.  (He just returned from the 2019 TR Register Li?ge-Brescia-Li?ge Rally,
for those who have followed that -- in fact there were several American
sidescreen cars in Europe for that event, possibly correspondents on here?)
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jR7PQ3n/0/bb5ff095/O/i-jR7PQ3n.jpg

The car has original works competition aluminum air deflectors inside the
shroud.  I've always liked these -- seems like a better design than the
crappy paperboard production version, although possibly with more risk of
radiator damage in a small bump than with cardboard.  They don't look like
they'd be hard to fab were one so inclined.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-hxbzKSs/0/6c5a7e69/O/i-hxbzKSs.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mPG4VQX/0/0e755b25/O/i-mPG4VQX.jpg

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L


On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:48 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> When I restored the '3, I put in the usual cardboard shroud.  It lasted--I
> don't know--maybe three years?  Got caught several times in hard rain.
> Next, I bought another cardboard shroud, but this time I used the plastic
> from a garage sale shower wall.  It lasted--I don't know--maybe five years,
> then cracked apart.
>
>
> While installing a new electric fan, I took the time while I was in there
> to use the cardboard shroud to trace out a shroud using this time a floor
> mat I'd had around that goes underneath a chair on a hardwood floor (no
> little spikes on the bottom).  In this heat, the floor mat was entirely
> flexible and bent easily, though it won't at lower temps.  Couple of screws
> to hold it down and done is done.
>
>
> Looking forward to seeing how it does.  Gotta be better than cardboard.
>
>
> Meanwhile, with all these car mods, I'm thinking I could have been an
> engineer.  Just needed two things:  1)  more brains; and 3) more gray
> matter....
>
>
> :o)
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
> New Hampshire
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jul 24 21:20:37 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 23:20:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6
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Frank (et al)... the MKIII went back to the swing axle, but with larger 
rear drum brakes AKA using the same self adjusting system as the MGC. 
Late MKI and MKIIs were roto-flex independent suspension.?? Inner rear 
fender panels, roof line of course, and bonnet, left rear fender with 
the addition press of the gas cap is all the body differences. Even the 
door metal was the same, quarterlight and single Spit glass are 100% 
interchangeable. Master cyls etc were all different.

ptegler


On 7/24/2019 8:26 PM, Frank Magnusson wrote:

> Hi Frank, as far as how similar the cars are, they are really not.  Although they look similar and the GT6 just looks like a fastback couple version of the Spitfire, its anything but.  Very few parts the same although some interior stuff is, but all kinds of small differences even there.  Biggest differences of course are engine, gearbox, suspension, brakes.  Fully independent rear suspension on the MkIII GT6.  Most of the bodywork is different as well with both large and small differences, although they look similar.
>
> The biggest difference, though, if you are setting up classes, are numbers.  Many Spitfires out there, very common and some very nice ones.  GT6s are much more uncommon.  If they were combined in the same class, would a GT6 ever win, just due to sheer numbers of Spitfires?
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Good luck with your show.
>
>
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 24 22:00:57 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Radiator Shroud
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Hey gang,

I purchased a new fiber shroud and ended up using it as a template to make my own out of aluminum.

The aluminum shroud needed some trimming beyond the fiber unit to make fit perfectly, but in the end I obtain an excellent result.  I then made templates from the aluminum sections.

You can see it in the opening thumb nail photo of my restoration video and it is highlighted in the video at some point.

Cheers,

Dave H.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW-cSGzyKXs

> On July 24, 2019 at 6:44 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     When I restored the '3, I put in the usual cardboard shroud.  It lasted--I don't know--maybe three years?  Got caught several times in hard rain.  Next, I bought another cardboard shroud, but this time I used the plastic from a garage sale shower wall.  It lasted--I don't know--maybe five years, then cracked apart. 
> 
> 
>     While installing a new electric fan, I took the time while I was in there to use the cardboard shroud to trace out a shroud using this time a floor mat I'd had around that goes underneath a chair on a hardwood floor (no little spikes on the bottom).  In this heat, the floor mat was entirely flexible and bent easily, though it won't at lower temps.  Couple of screws to hold it down and done is done.
> 
> 
>     Looking forward to seeing how it does.  Gotta be better than cardboard. 
> 
> 
>     Meanwhile, with all these car mods, I'm thinking I could have been an engineer.  Just needed two things:  1)  more brains; and 3) more gray matter....
> 
> 
>     :o)
> 
>     Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> 
>     New Hampshire
> 


 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul 25 05:43:13 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:43:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Radiator Shroud
References: <708213558.196710.1564054993969.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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although possibly with more risk of radiator damage in a small bump
 The pre-58 TR3's had just such a feature as part of the nose sheetmetal from the outset.? And since there is a bottom shelf there already the addition of these doesn't seem to me to add appreciably to the risk to the radiator.

And you're right, they do look like they could be fabricated by a rank amateur with access to a sheetmetal brake such as myself.? But then, my 57 doesn't need need these since it came from the factory with sheetmetal ductwork right up the sides of the radiator.? But I'm pretty proud of the sheetmetal fan shroud I made for the TR6.
Thanks for sharing.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 24, 2019 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Radiator Shroud

VHP 529, an Apple Green ex-works TR3A, is owned by a friend of mine in the UK.? (He just returned from the 2019 TR Register Li?ge-Brescia-Li?ge Rally, for those who have followed that -- in fact there were several American sidescreen cars in Europe for that event, possibly correspondents on here?)https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-jR7PQ3n/0/bb5ff095/O/i-jR7PQ3n.jpg

The car has original works competition aluminum air deflectors inside the shroud.? I've always liked these -- seems like a better design than the crappy paperboard production version, although possibly with more risk of radiator damage in a small bump than with cardboard.? They don't look like they'd be hard to fab were one so inclined.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-hxbzKSs/0/6c5a7e69/O/i-hxbzKSs.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mPG4VQX/0/0e755b25/O/i-mPG4VQX.jpg

Don1962 TR3B TSF202L

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:48 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

 When I restored the '3, I put in the usual cardboard shroud.? It lasted--I don't know--maybe three years?? Got caught several times in hard rain.? Next, I bought another cardboard shroud, but this time I used the plastic from a garage sale shower wall.? It lasted--I don't know--maybe five years, then cracked apart.? 

While installing a new electric fan, I took the time while I was in there to use the cardboard shroud to trace out a shroud using this time a floor mat I'd had around that goes underneath a chair on a hardwood floor (no little spikes on the bottom).? In this heat, the floor mat was entirely flexible and bent easily, though it won't at lower temps.? Couple of screws to hold it down and done is done.

Looking forward to seeing how it does.? Gotta be better than cardboard.? 
Meanwhile, with all these car mods, I'm thinking I could have been an engineer.? Just needed two things:? 1)? more brains; and 3) more gray matter....

:o)
Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire


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From fmags at cox.net  Thu Jul 25 06:59:15 2019
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnus son)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:59:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6
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Not to get too far into the weeds as its beyond the original post, but on the GT6 Mk III, most of them had the rotoflex rear suspension. Only the last bit of production in the final year went back to the swing axle. I had 3 GT6 Mk IIIs over the years from early to late VIN numbers and all 3 had the rotoflex.

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> On Jul 24, 2019, at 10:20 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Frank (et al)... the MKIII went back to the swing axle, but with larger rear drum brakes AKA using the same self adjusting system as the MGC. Late MKI and MKIIs were roto-flex independent suspension.?? Inner rear fender panels, roof line of course, and bonnet, left rear fender with the addition press of the gas cap is all the body differences. Even the door metal was the same, quarterlight and single Spit glass are 100% interchangeable. Master cyls etc were all different.
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
>> On 7/24/2019 8:26 PM, Frank Magnusson wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Frank, as far as how similar the cars are, they are really not.  Although they look similar and the GT6 just looks like a fastback couple version of the Spitfire, its anything but.  Very few parts the same although some interior stuff is, but all kinds of small differences even there.  Biggest differences of course are engine, gearbox, suspension, brakes.  Fully independent rear suspension on the MkIII GT6.  Most of the bodywork is different as well with both large and small differences, although they look similar.
>> 
>> The biggest difference, though, if you are setting up classes, are numbers.  Many Spitfires out there, very common and some very nice ones.  GT6s are much more uncommon.  If they were combined in the same class, would a GT6 ever win, just due to sheer numbers of Spitfires?
>> 
>> My 2 cents.
>> 
>> Good luck with your show.
>> 
>> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Jul 25 08:01:05 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:01:05 -0600
Subject: [TR] Spitfire and GT6
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On a side note, all the roundtail Spits and GTs, along with the 
TR4,4A,5,250 and 6 all use the same windshield.? As a matter of fact the 
Killer Spit has the windshield and windshield frame taken from TR6 
CC25064L.? A direct bolt in swap.

mjb.



From anabil007 at comcast.net  Fri Jul 26 15:07:26 2019
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 14:07:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes
Message-ID: <D8F0E9B7-A4A7-4FDB-B4F7-38E9E6932E27@comcast.net>

What?if any ? is the difference of 185HR-15  ? and 185/65/15???


Thanks, not trying to start a war??

Bill Pugh
PO BOX83
Wallace, CA
95254



Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars




From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Jul 26 15:18:46 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:18:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes
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I would ask the dealer for the specs of the two tyres that you are considering.   Right off the top of my head I think the 185HR-15 would be a little taller 

Bill

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On Jul 26, 2019, at 4:07 PM, William Pugh <anabil007 at comcast.net> wrote:

What?if any ? is the difference of 185HR-15  ? and 185/65/15???


Thanks, not trying to start a war??

Bill Pugh
PO BOX83
Wallace, CA
95254



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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jul 26 15:30:10 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:30:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes
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The 185HR15 will be quite a bit taller than the 185/65.

The number after the slash ?65? when present, indicates the ratio of sidewall height to tread width, in percent.  So for 185/65, the sidewall is only 65% as tall as the tread is wide, meaning roughly 120mm high.

When the second number is not present, the ratio is usually in the region of 80%, meaning the 185HR would be around 144mm high.  Almost an inch taller (ride height) than the 185/65.

All very approximate, and can vary somewhat from tire maker to tire maker or even tire model to tire model.

In case you?re wondering, the ?H? is a speed rating, meaning the tire should be able to sustain speeds of 130 mph (when loaded within the limits given elsewhere on the tire).  ?R? indicates radial tire construction.

--Randall

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From: William Pugh
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 4:07 PM
To: TR3/6
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes

What?if any ? is the difference of 185HR-15  ? and 185/65/15???


Thanks, not trying to start a war??

Bill Pugh
PO BOX83
Wallace, CA
95254



Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars



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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jul 26 16:05:14 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 18:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Cooling
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One last question on this.  I went to a NH Fisher Cats baseball game last night.  Thinking the car would cool enough through the game, I switched off the manual override switch on the electric fan.  I came back after the 7th inning, and the car was starved for gas.  Everytime I use the fan, car starts right up.  So how long after shutdown might a "vapor lock" or that other thing Randall told me about but which I promptly forgot because, hey, it was complicated, affect  fuel delivery?????


Of course I had my daughter's new mother-in-law in the car for a ride, who has a 25 year unused mid-engine Porsche sitting in her garage, so embarrassment was max. 


Thoughts?


Oh, and I found on driving with the fan in the "on" switch left my battery dead.  So learned to only turn it on after shutdown to cool the engine bay, since engine drive temp is perfect. 


Anyway, problem is solved with the electric fan, but how long can this "lock" thing persist before re-start?  Overnight, it always starts fine!


Terry Smith, '59 TR3  TS 58667

New Hampshire

> On July 24, 2019 at 9:38 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     First, thank you Randall.  I'd been experiencing a proper temperature during driving, but upon shut down, the float bowls overheated and made restart chancy until the float bowls cleared.  I installed a Spal Fan with a temp switch (with a manual override) not spliced to the key, but to the battery.  Drove on an errand, and my worry that the fan woul impede airflow through the radiator was unrealized.  Car ran at 180 perfectly.  But imagine my surprise coming out of Wally World with a new gallon of Prestone coolant concentrate, then heard this roaring sound coming from the car next to mine.  Nope.  It was from MY car.  The engine bay on shut down had overheated and the temp switch had kicked in like it was supposed to.  The fan was cooling the engine bay.  Car started right up.  Love it!
> 
> 
>     Randall suggested putting a T connector in the heater return hose, but I did change that to put it under the heater control valve.  See attached.  I worried the temp switch would crowd coolant flow to the heater, but test driving the heater showed not an issue, at least yet.  Good hot air coming out.  (I couldn't completely swap the fan for the heater (forgoing the heater control valve) because NH is spurious in its climate.  I'll need that heater come October.)  Note:  all connectors were 3/8ths NPT. 
> 
> 
>     So again, thank you all.  We're on pace for the hottest July on record.  An electric cooling fan is exceedingly timely. 
> 
> 
>     Car is completely sorted and running awesome.
> 
> 
>     Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> 
>     New Hampshire
> 


 
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From ryel at mac.com  Fri Jul 26 17:25:56 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 23:25:56 GMT
Subject: [TR] TR3 Cooling
Message-ID: <893bea13-1dc8-4bc0-875b-576d7f1f0e99@me.com>

I have found with my 1960 TR3A, when the car is at full operating temperature and I stop to say get gas. ?When I'm stopped for less than 10 minutes, maybe even up to 15 minutes, it will start right up and away I go. ?If it's longer than 15 minutes, say to go in the grocery store, then I've got some sort of vapor lock problem. ?I can still get it to start, but it's barely running on 1-2 cylinders and it might take about a?minute of it limping on 2 cylinders for it to get plenty of gas and rev up and I'm good to go.? If it's roughly 30 mins or longer that I'm parked, then it's all good and starts right up.

If I'm in a spot where I can coast it down hill, I can pop the clutch and it clears out pretty quickly and away I go. ?I had an experience 2 years ago coming back from Triumphest in Arizona. ?With a few other Triumphs, we stopped to check out this cool church up on the hill in Sedona. ?It was high 90 degrees. ?I didn't given it any thought when I pulled into an angled parking slot, nose down, and a steep hill. ?We walked around and it was about 20+ minutes later everyone was ready to go. ?Of course my car didn't start, and the others were already heading down the hill. ?While I don't recommend this, it did work?in a pinch. ?I have a?new high torque starter and I put it in reverse, and with the starter motor, I used it to back out of the parking slot. ?Got the car pointed down hill and bump started it and it cleared almost immediately and away I went to catch up.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On July 26, 2019 at 3:08 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

One last question on this.? I went to a NH Fisher Cats baseball game last night.? Thinking the car would cool enough through the game, I switched off the manual override switch on the electric fan.? I came back after the 7th inning, and the car was starved for gas.? Everytime I use the fan, car starts right up.? So how long after shutdown might a "vapor lock" or that other thing Randall told me about but which I promptly forgot because, hey, it was complicated, affect? fuel delivery?????

Of course I had my daughter's new mother-in-law in the car for a ride, who has a 25 year unused mid-engine Porsche sitting in her garage, so embarrassment was max.? 

Thoughts?

Oh, and I found on driving with the fan in the "on" switch left my battery dead.? So learned to only turn it on after shutdown to cool the engine bay, since engine drive temp is perfect.? 

Anyway, problem is solved with the electric fan, but how long can this "lock" thing persist before re-start?? Overnight, it always starts fine!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3? TS 58667
New Hampshire
On July 24, 2019 at 9:38 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

First, thank you Randall.? I'd been experiencing a proper temperature during driving, but upon shut down, the float bowls overheated and made restart chancy until the float bowls cleared.? I installed a Spal Fan with a temp switch (with a manual override) not spliced to the key, but to the battery.? Drove on an errand, and my worry that the fan woul impede airflow through the radiator was unrealized.? Car ran at 180 perfectly.? But imagine my surprise coming out of Wally World with a new gallon of Prestone coolant concentrate, then heard this roaring sound coming from the car next to mine.? Nope.? It was from MY car.? The engine bay on shut down had overheated and the temp switch had kicked in like it was supposed to.? The fan was cooling the engine bay.? Car started right up.? Love it!

Randall suggested putting a T connector in the heater return hose, but I did change that to put it under the heater control valve.? See attached.? I worried the temp switch would crowd coolant flow to the heater, but test driving the heater showed not an issue, at least yet.? Good hot air coming out.? (I couldn't completely swap the fan for the heater (forgoing the heater control valve) because NH is spurious in its climate.? I'll need that heater come October.)? Note:? all connectors were 3/8ths NPT.? 

So again, thank you all.? We're on pace for the hottest July on record.? An electric cooling fan is exceedingly timely.? 

Car is completely sorted and running awesome.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Jul 26 18:21:35 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 20:21:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes
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https://www.sizemytires.com/calculators/compare

https://tiresize.com/comparison/

https://tire-calc.com/


ptegler


On 7/26/2019 5:30 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> The 185HR15 will be quite a bit taller than the 185/65.
>
> The number after the slash ???65??? when present, indicates the ratio of 
> sidewall height to tread width, in percent.?? So for 185/65, the 
> sidewall is only 65% as tall as the tread is wide, meaning roughly 
> 120mm high.
>
> When the second number is not present, the ratio is usually in the 
> region of 80%, meaning the 185HR would be around 144mm high.?? Almost 
> an inch taller (ride height) than the 185/65.
>
> All very approximate, and can vary somewhat from tire maker to tire 
> maker or even tire model to tire model.
>
> In case you???re wondering, the ???H??? is a speed rating, meaning the tire 
> should be able to sustain speeds of 130 mph (when loaded within the 
> limits given elsewhere on the tire).?? ???R??? indicates radial tire 
> construction.
>
> --Randall
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *William Pugh <mailto:anabil007 at comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 26, 2019 4:07 PM
> *To: *TR3/6 <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] Tire Sizes
>
> What???if any ??? is the difference of 185HR-15?? ??? and 185/65/15?????
>
> Thanks, not trying to start a war???????
>
> Bill Pugh
>
> PO BOX83
>
> Wallace, CA
>
> 95254
>
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>
> to drive Boring Cars
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Jul 27 09:04:48 2019
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 08:04:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Tire Sizes
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Bill - Here is an article I wrote about 20 years ago.? Some of the sizes 
may not be available.


      TR6 Tire Sizes

Today I had my speedometer calibration checked at a local auto club 
office. They have a portable setup of rollers that your car is driven on 
(like a dynamometer) while the technician and the equipment make 
measurements. The actual results follow the math.

I bought my TR6 in Oct 96 with worn and flat spotted tires.? I wanted to 
install a wider tire, without creating too great an error in the 
speedometer reading.? To compare sizes, I made a spreadsheet summarized 
below.? It shows indicated speed at a given rpm.

I was told by two local tire stores that the old 185/15 tire is 
185/82/15 in current sizing.? Others on the list have said it is 185/78. 
Either was, the results are similar.

The table shows tire size, diameter difference from stock size, and 
actual speed with the given tire size in 4th gear and overdrive at 3500 
rpm.? The formula used for the actual speeds is:

 ??????? Speed = (dia)(rpm) / (ratio)(336)
 ??????? or rpm = (speed)(ratio)(336)/dia

dia is of the tire
336 is 63360 in/mi / 60 min/hr / 3.1416
ratio = overall gear ratio (taken from Bentley)
 ??? sample ratios for my TR6 with a 3.7 differential
 ??? 1???? 11.62
 ??? 2???? 7.44
 ??? 3???? 4.92
 ??? 4???? 3.70
 ??? 4od 3.03 (a-type)

The ratio I used in 4th is 3.7 (U.S.) and 4o/d is 3.03 (A type, 0.82 
ratio).

The table below shows tire size, diameter, diameter difference from 
stock, speed at 3500 rpm in 4th gear, 3000 rpm in 4th gear with A-type 
overdrive, and a comparison at 55 mph.

*size?????? dia(in) dif??? 3500/4?? 3000/4od? 2078/4od*
185 82????? 26.9 0.0???? 75.9???? 79.4 55.0
185 70????? 25.2 -1.7???? 70.9???? 74.2 51.4
195 75????? 26.5 -0.4???? 74.7???? 78.1 54.1
195 70????? 25.7 -1.2???? 72.5???? 75.9 52.6
195 65????? 25.0 -1.9???? 70.3???? 73.6 51.0
205 75????? 27.1 0.2???? 76.3???? 79.9 55.3
205 70????? 26.3 -0.6???? 74.0???? 77.5 53.7
205 65????? 25.5 -1.4???? 71.8???? 75.1 52.0
215 65????? 26.0 -0.9???? 73.2???? 76.6 53.1
215 70????? 26.9 0.0???? 75.6???? 79.1 54.8

*sorted by diameter*
205 75????? 27.1 0.2???? 76.3???? 79.9 55.3
185 82????? 26.9 0.0???? 75.9???? 79.4 55.0
215 70????? 26.9 0.0???? 75.6???? 79.1 54.8
195 75????? 26.5 -0.4???? 74.7???? 78.1 54.1
205 70????? 26.3 -0.6???? 74.0???? 77.5 53.7
215 65????? 26.0 -0.9???? 73.2???? 76.6 53.1
195 70????? 25.7 -1.2???? 72.5???? 75.9 52.6
205 65????? 25.5 -1.4???? 71.8???? 75.1 52.0
185 70????? 25.2 -1.7???? 70.9???? 74.2 51.4
195 65????? 25.0 -1.9???? 70.3???? 73.6 51.0

Tire widths in inches, for those of us in the US who are metrically 
challenged:

185??? 7.28 in
195??? 7.68
205??? 8.07
215??? 8.46
225??? 8.86

The test results from AAA with 205/65 Dunlop D60 A2 tires at 30 psi with 
approx. 3000 miles driven.

Indicated???? Test???? Computed
Speed??????? Speed Speed
30 27?????????? 28.4
40 37?????????? 37.9
50 47?????????? 47.4
60 56?????????? 56.9
70 66?????????? 66.4

Odometer will read 100 for 92 actual miles.

I ended up with 205/65 for the improved performance, though 205/70 might 
have been a better choice.? Going with a smaller tire can be a benefit. 
If you like to drive fast (above the posted speed limit), just pretend 
you don't have any speedometer error.? With my 205/65's my speedometer 
shows about 70 mph when I'm actually doing only 66 mph.? This gives me a 
slight safety margin against speeding tickets.? This also gives you 
slightly faster acceleration due to the overall ratio change (at the 
expense of mpg).

I caution you think about clearance regarding 215 size tires. I have a 
rear tube shock conversion and they will not fit.? Some conversions I've 
seen may also rub a 205 tire.? The 195/75 is a difficult tire to find.

Brian

> *From: *William Pugh <mailto:anabil007 at comcast.net>
> *Sent: *Friday, July 26, 2019 4:07 PM
> *To: *TR3/6 <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] Tire Sizes
>
> What?if any ? is the difference of 185HR-15? ? and 185/65/15???
>
> Thanks, not trying to start a war??
>
> Bill Pugh
>
> PO BOX83
>
> Wallace, CA
>
> 95254
>
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>
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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 27 21:16:57 2019
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:16:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] California TR Sightings
Message-ID: <004901d544f2$ea990950$bfcb1bf0$@yahoo.com>

     So we were in Pismo and Avila Beaches today and I saw a guy in a white
TR3A driving down San Luis Bay Drive and a red TR250 driving in the Pismo
Heights area. Are either of these guys on the list? Anyone know who these
two are?

 

     Bill Brewer

     Tehachapi, CA

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul 28 17:35:39 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:35:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] water pump
Message-ID: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>

In the last few weeks there was some discussion about the new vs old water
pumps.  Someone postulated that the newer water pumps move water faster
through the radiator, which results in less cooling and a hotter engine.  I
asked my nephew, a mechanical engineer who is also a car person, about this.
here is his reply:

 

I think the point of confusion is the notion that increasing flow rate is a
bad thing. I get the basic thought of it spending less time in the radiator
but it's one of those things that sounds correct without having any real
science to back it up. One of the rules of thermodynamics is that flow rate
and heat transfer are directly proportional. If you increase flow rate and
all other things remain constant then you will reduce temperature.

 

For your specific use case, you're improving the efficiency of cooling
because the fluid is moving more quickly through the engine. It's better to
keep fluid at as low of a temperature as possible and moving it very quickly
means that each molecule is exposed to the heat for less time. When it gets
to the radiator there isn't as much heat to be removed so spending less time
in the radiator becomes a moot point.

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 21:02:51 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 22:02:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] water pump
In-Reply-To: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>
References: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3abJZ8POWD366G02Fe-9Zm+B87m4eVvA_iDBLM5mfN1=8Q@mail.gmail.com>

I read the reply and my first response was, "don't you want the water to
pick up more heat in the engine so it can shed it in the radiator?" Then I
thought some more, I think the point is higher flow gives you closer to
equilibrium, rather than hotter water in the engine and cooler in the
radiator, and since the engine is the hot spot the closer you can get to
equilibrium on the temp the better??

Greg Lemon
TR250 (which has always run between the little dots in the middle of the
gauge once warmed up, so my interest is purely acedemic)

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 6:35 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> In the last few weeks there was some discussion about the new vs old water
> pumps.  Someone postulated that the newer water pumps move water faster
> through the radiator, which results in less cooling and a hotter engine.  I
> asked my nephew, a mechanical engineer who is also a car person, about
> this.  here is his reply:
>
>
>
> I think the point of confusion is the notion that increasing flow rate is
> a bad thing. I get the basic thought of it spending less time in the
> radiator but it's one of those things that sounds correct without having
> any real science to back it up. One of the rules of thermodynamics is that
> flow rate and heat transfer are directly proportional. If you increase flow
> rate and all other things remain constant then you will reduce temperature.
>
>
>
> For your specific use case, you're improving the efficiency of cooling
> because the fluid is moving more quickly through the engine. It's better to
> keep fluid at as low of a temperature as possible and moving it very
> quickly means that each molecule is exposed to the heat for less time. When
> it gets to the radiator there isn't as much heat to be removed so spending
> less time in the radiator becomes a moot point.
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jul 28 23:06:59 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 00:06:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] water pump
In-Reply-To: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>
References: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.35.1564376821.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Here?s a couple of questions you can ask your nephew:

1) On the high pressure side of a TR2 through early TR4 radiator sits a 4 psi pressure relief valve (aka radiator cap).  What happens when the dynamic head substantially exceeds 4 psi?
2) What happens when the water pump cavitates?
3) The TR2-4 water pump uses a spring-loaded face seal to keep coolant inside.  What happens if the dynamic coolant pressure at the seal goes substantially below the atmospheric pressure outside the seal?

(1) in particular, I believe, is the main origin for the old myth about the coolant moving too fast without a thermostat or restrictor plate.  It really can cause overheating, just not (directly) because the coolant is moving too fast.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: dave
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 6:35 PM
Subject: [TR] water pump

In the last few weeks there was some discussion about the new vs old water pumps.? Someone postulated that the newer water pumps move water faster through the radiator, which results in less cooling and a hotter engine.? I asked my nephew, a mechanical engineer who is also a car person, about this.? here is his reply:

I think the point of confusion is the notion that increasing flow rate is a bad thing. I get the basic thought of it spending less time in the radiator but it's one of those things that sounds correct without having any real science to back it up. One of the rules of thermodynamics is that flow rate and heat transfer are directly proportional. If you increase flow rate and all other things remain constant then you will reduce temperature.

For your specific use case, you're improving the efficiency of cooling because the fluid is moving more quickly through the engine. It's better to keep fluid at as low of a temperature as possible and moving it very quickly means that each molecule is exposed to the heat for less time. When it gets to the radiator there isn't as much heat to be removed so spending less time in the radiator becomes a moot point.

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 08:31:24 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 09:31:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] water pump
In-Reply-To: <a7e90f80-8137-d32a-3fb3-a4f76daafd15@dfn.com>
References: <00a901d5459d$2aa4e7d0$7feeb770$@ranteer.com>
 <CAFtw3abJZ8POWD366G02Fe-9Zm+B87m4eVvA_iDBLM5mfN1=8Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <a7e90f80-8137-d32a-3fb3-a4f76daafd15@dfn.com>
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Michael, yes, but you are writing your answer from a modern car ideal
engineering standpoint, the increased flow argument as we usually talk
about it with British cars isn't about which is better for maintaining
ideal temperature, it is about which is better for lowering engine temps,
at least that is the way most are looking at it I think.

Greg

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019, 10:29 PM Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:

> On 7/28/2019 9:02 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
>
> I read the reply and my first response was, "don't you want the water to
> pick up more heat in the engine so it can shed it in the radiator?" Then I
> thought some more, I think the point is higher flow gives you closer to
> equilibrium, rather than hotter water in the engine and cooler in the
> radiator, and since the engine is the hot spot the closer you can get to
> equilibrium on the temp the better??
>
> On the basis of thermodynamics, no.  Heat transfer depends upon the
> temperature differential.  The higher the delta-t, the greater the heat
> transfer.
>
> This is complicated a bit by engine temperature affecting fuel
> efficiency.  The hotter the engine runs, the higher the efficiency of  the
> engine because the heat transfer delta-t from combustion gases to the
> engine parts is lower, so more heat energy is available to do work.  This
> is why virtually every manufacturer was doing R&D on very high-temperature
> ceramic engines in the `80s and `90s (which invariably was not workable
> because ceramics were extremely sensitive to thermal shocks, and there were
> a lot of practical limitations to ceramics, like making durable threads in
> ceramic parts).
>
> But, if we're talking heat *rejection*, a big delta-t is desirable.  At
> the same time, elevating the engine temperature is helpful in terms of
> efficiency (which is why, as manufacturing processes became better,
> aluminum heads became common, gaskets got better, engine operating
> temperatures went up, from ~ 160 deg. F in the `40s, to ~ 180 deg. in the
> `50s-`60s, to ~ 195 deg. today.
>
> So, the optimum would be a system which maintains a high engine operating
> temperature and a cooling system which rejects as much heat as possible, so
> that the inlet coolant to the engine is as low as possible, in order to
> remove as much waste heat as is practicable without depressing engine
> temperature (which is why the thermostat is still in use).  All this needs
> to be done at pressures which prevent nucleate boiling, which greatly
> reduces heat transfer.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> --
>
>
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
>
>
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 30 11:58:42 2019
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:58:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR-3/4 oil pump / distributor drive shaft?
Message-ID: <73ba4ce1-cae3-756f-2219-2622ec2ab4cb@tonydrews.com>

I just got off the phone with an engine builder who discovered that the 
new oil pump drive shaft he installed (the one that goes through the 
gear engaging the cam) is manufactured incorrectly - the tang that goes 
into the oil pump is 0.010" off center and binds with the pump.

Anyone have a spare OEM shaft sitting on the shelf that they'd be 
willing to part with?? If so I'll get you guys in touch with each other.

He's trying to meet a deadline to get the engine to a dyno and then to 
installation in the car.

Also, if you're buying a new one of these, check the oil pump tang for 
proper centering!

Thanks in advance, Tony Drews