From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  3 14:20:07 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 16:20:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR8 Coolant Hoses Part Help
Message-ID: <042201d54a38$d854d580$88fe8080$@gmail.com>

Anyone know source for 1981 TR8 fuel injection coolant hoses?  Moss and TRF
not listed.  
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL



From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Aug  4 12:30:36 2019
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 11:30:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR8 Coolant Hoses Part Help
Message-ID: <25d3c5d1-30c5-dd18-a0a3-bab421ea2801@att.net>

Page 183 of the Vitoria British Spitfire/GT6 TR7/8 catalog or Rimmer 
brothers in the UK.

also Woody's Wedge Shop in Mass.

http://www.thewedgeshopstore.com/

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

From coefront at shaw.ca  Mon Aug  5 06:27:12 2019
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Michael Coe)
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 06:27:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 175
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1564941603.5532.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <F49222E6-2ED5-4CD6-8C12-DF7743BA9493@shaw.ca>



Go too Woody at The Wedge Shop.
508-880-5448
An excellent fellow !!
Mike - Calgary




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From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  6 10:19:37 2019
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (nafzigerg at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2019 16:19:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Prob
References: <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Have not been getting messages from autox team for over a year.
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 17:58:34 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 00:58:34 +0100
Subject: [TR] BP
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE6ASs_qra6YrbzT=0LUPeYUog-Bj7mkZ8kOfEgL5Ac_w@mail.gmail.com>

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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Aug  8 01:12:25 2019
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 01:12:25 -0600
Subject: [TR] BP
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Thanks Suit but I can?t make the trip to Lisbon.  ;)


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71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 01:14:07 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 08:14:07 +0100
Subject: [TR] BP
In-Reply-To: <24AB63B0-6360-4532-9196-D19EB03733B9@comcast.net>
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opps

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Aug  8 08:12:12 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2019 07:12:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] Prob
In-Reply-To: <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CANzE1bHfbjY0gPZnuoScKyrTfnCGzQp+k6__PVu8GtqhpXCV9w@mail.gmail.com>

Have you checked your Spam folder?  I had to implement a rule to
specifically allow these messages through.

For example, this is how your message appears to me:


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From lee at automate-it.com  Fri Aug  9 22:31:47 2019
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2019 23:31:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Jim Clark tribute in The Grand Tour episode
Message-ID: <16aa42dd0fec6b0fac1b287d083ac14b.squirrel@automate-it.com>

I had just about written off The Grand Tour, as the humor had become clunky
and the real car talk had become thin. Then I watched episode 5 of season 3
tonight. A couple of decent tests/reviews, and yes some juvenile humor, such
as Jeremy ice-racing a Lambo Urus vs. Abbie Eaton in a Porsche, on a
penis-shaped track.

But then --- the tour-de-force --- a 20-minute historical tribute to Jim
Clark, with plenty of photos and footage. Oh, my. They include interviews with
a couple of his colleagues, who tear up a little - as did I.

And Richard Hammond gets to drive the very Lotus 25 that Clark himself drove!

If you have Amazon Prime, watch this one. It's episode 5 of Season 3, titled
"An Itchy Urus" (of course). If you don't have an hour, jump to 00:36:00 and
watch the last 22 minutes, you'll be glad you did.

 Lee

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 12 16:52:23 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:52:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
Message-ID: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>

First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
always like a new tool but want to check first.

Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.  Ouch.
It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
align correctly.  

Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

60 TR3A 
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
82 Jeep CJ8
02 Triumph Trophy 1200
Yes I have a sickness.



From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 12 17:32:59 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:32:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1909923195.3252208.1565652779514@mail.yahoo.com>

 Randall will give you a full accountas i recall the adjusting bolt on the steering box was whitworththe plugs on top of the trans are metricsome of the carbs and control head? may be BAim not sure i would ever have bought a set of whitworth except that i brought 2 full sets of sockets and wrenches with me from the old country when i left. they have a lot of dust on them right now and not a lot of oil.

you can take the steering wheel off in a similar manner to the TR6. you have to pull the horn hub assembly and pull the wire through the stator tube.or...you could kill a socket by cutting a small groove in it so the wire can pass through and not pull the wire all the way out.
frank

    On Monday, August 12, 2019, 03:52:56 PM PDT, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.? I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.? Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?? I
always like a new tool but want to check first.

Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
be straight.? The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
respectively.? The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.? Ouch.
It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
align correctly.? 

Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

60 TR3A 
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
82 Jeep CJ8
02 Triumph Trophy 1200
Yes I have a sickness.


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 12 17:32:59 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:32:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1909923195.3252208.1565652779514@mail.yahoo.com>

 Randall will give you a full accountas i recall the adjusting bolt on the steering box was whitworththe plugs on top of the trans are metricsome of the carbs and control head? may be BAim not sure i would ever have bought a set of whitworth except that i brought 2 full sets of sockets and wrenches with me from the old country when i left. they have a lot of dust on them right now and not a lot of oil.

you can take the steering wheel off in a similar manner to the TR6. you have to pull the horn hub assembly and pull the wire through the stator tube.or...you could kill a socket by cutting a small groove in it so the wire can pass through and not pull the wire all the way out.
frank

    On Monday, August 12, 2019, 03:52:56 PM PDT, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.? I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.? Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?? I
always like a new tool but want to check first.

Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
be straight.? The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
respectively.? The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.? Ouch.
It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
align correctly.? 

Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

60 TR3A 
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
82 Jeep CJ8
02 Triumph Trophy 1200
Yes I have a sickness.


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From stan at redtr6.com  Mon Aug 12 18:15:44 2019
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:15:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] Jim Clark tribute in The Grand Tour episode
In-Reply-To: <16aa42dd0fec6b0fac1b287d083ac14b.squirrel@automate-it.com>
References: <16aa42dd0fec6b0fac1b287d083ac14b.squirrel@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR05MB66921D9C3AAF808B6DBB17D9FED20@BN8PR05MB6692.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Lee. I lost interest in the Top Gear trio years ago but I very much enjoyed that tribute to Jim Clark.

Stan
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Lee Daniels <lee at automate-it.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:31:47 AM
To: 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Jim Clark tribute in The Grand Tour episode

I had just about written off The Grand Tour, as the humor had become clunky
and the real car talk had become thin. Then I watched episode 5 of season 3
tonight. A couple of decent tests/reviews, and yes some juvenile humor, such
as Jeremy ice-racing a Lambo Urus vs. Abbie Eaton in a Porsche, on a
penis-shaped track.

But then --- the tour-de-force --- a 20-minute historical tribute to Jim
Clark, with plenty of photos and footage. Oh, my. They include interviews with
a couple of his colleagues, who tear up a little - as did I.

And Richard Hammond gets to drive the very Lotus 25 that Clark himself drove!

If you have Amazon Prime, watch this one. It's episode 5 of Season 3, titled
"An Itchy Urus" (of course). If you don't have an hour, jump to 00:36:00 and
watch the last 22 minutes, you'll be glad you did.

 Lee
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Aug 12 18:21:35 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:21:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F137B797-F716-4F1D-B4E1-2452AB414F07@flash.net>

Jim,
I would invest in a small set of wrenches, King Dick is the Snap of the UK if you want to go first class, but not necessary.   Moss has some sets or find them sometimes on eBay.  But, for the most part, your SAE and Metric wrenches will do the job.  I?m sure Randall can expound on the specific areas that are BSW, I?m thinking transmission and rear end. 
Bill

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Aug 12, 2019, at 5:52 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
always like a new tool but want to check first.

Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.  Ouch.
It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
align correctly.  

Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL

60 TR3A 
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
82 Jeep CJ8
02 Triumph Trophy 1200
Yes I have a sickness.


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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Mon Aug 12 18:30:22 2019
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (Tom Walling)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:30:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <685116615.200230.1565656222622@connect.xfinity.com>

You're in luck Jim! Leave the front apron right where it is. Set the car so the front wheels track straight and remove and disconnect the horn-push / turn signal head. Right before your very eyes will be a big nut (guaranteed you won't have a socket that fits, but that's a good reason to add one to your tool box). Unscrew the nut and carefully pull the wheel toward you until it comes off of the steering column shaft. Fiddle with the wheel until it looks right to you and (you guessed it), the rest is the reverse of what you just did. This is one of the easier jobs on a TR3.


> On August 12, 2019 at 6:52 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
> don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
> Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
> and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
> always like a new tool but want to check first.
> 
> Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
> be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
> steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
> respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.  Ouch.
> It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
> align correctly.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
> 60 TR3A 
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 82 Jeep CJ8
> 02 Triumph Trophy 1200
> Yes I have a sickness.
> 
> 
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Mon Aug 12 20:56:59 2019
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:56:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <685116615.200230.1565656222622@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
 <685116615.200230.1565656222622@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <007601d55182$c7375bf0$55a613d0$@net>

I literally just did this today to replace the felt in the steering column.
Just to add a few hints, to remove the control head, remove the 3 grub
screws in the steering wheel, they are a little hard to see if you are not
looking for them, and pull the head out from the stator tube.  If you have a
little extra wire coming out of the steering box, you don't have to remove
the horn-push/turn signal head completely - it may be helpful to have
someone feed the wires up from the bottom of the steering box while you pull
on the head. If you don't remove the head completely along with all the
wires, which just makes it that much more difficult to reinstall, you can't
use a socket on that nut. I used a large adjustable crescent wrench
vertically with a screw driver through the hole at the end of the handle,
but an open end wrench of the right size if you have one, which i don't, may
work better.

BTW, I don't have any Whitworth wrenches and have managed many projects on
my TR3 and my 49 TR 2000 without them. 
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Walling
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:30 PM
To: Jim Henningsen; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?

You're in luck Jim! Leave the front apron right where it is. Set the car so
the front wheels track straight and remove and disconnect the horn-push /
turn signal head. Right before your very eyes will be a big nut (guaranteed
you won't have a socket that fits, but that's a good reason to add one to
your tool box). Unscrew the nut and carefully pull the wheel toward you
until it comes off of the steering column shaft. Fiddle with the wheel until
it looks right to you and (you guessed it), the rest is the reverse of what
you just did. This is one of the easier jobs on a TR3.


> On August 12, 2019 at 6:52 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the 
> bolts don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on
occasion.
> Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized 
> bolts and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those 
> wrenches?  I always like a new tool but want to check first.
> 
> Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined 
> up to be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight 
> line but the steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left 
> and right hands respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front
apron etc.  Ouch.
> It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 
> to align correctly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 82 Jeep CJ8
> 02 Triumph Trophy 1200
> Yes I have a sickness.
> 
> 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug 12 23:30:16 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:30:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1082627431.269277.1565674216424@connect.xfinity.com>

If I recall correctly, my steering shafts had center punch marks near the coupler to index where the shafts were originally located and the punch marks line up with the splits in the coupler. This may have be done some time later on.  
There was also a blue painted dot on the lower shaft where it seemed that from the factory, once the steering box was built and before oil was added to the box, a paint mark was placed on the shaft where the oil fill hole is located to indicate straight forward.  
I'm pretty sure that the steering wheel can be realigned by removing one of the bolts on the coupler and pulling on the wheel will disconnect the shaft and coupler, then the shaft can be rotated and reset to another spline in the shaft to straighten the wheel without disconnecting anything else. The crush sleeve will have to be loosened on the end of the horn and turn signal wire tube at the bottom of the steering box to allow the tube and wires to be pulled with the wheel and upper shaft.  You should only have to pull it about an inch to clear the coupler splines and rotate it to another location. 
Spreading the coupler split with a screw driver may help loosen the grip between the shaft and coupler. 
Of course, if you have an early TR with the one piece steering column, then you'd have to pull the steering wheel off for realignment. 
Dave H.

> On August 12, 2019 at 3:52 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
> don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
> Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
> and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
> always like a new tool but want to check first.
> 
> Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined up to
> be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight line but the
> steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left and right hands
> respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front apron etc.  Ouch.
> It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 to
> align correctly.  
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
> 60 TR3A 
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 82 Jeep CJ8
> 02 Triumph Trophy 1200
> Yes I have a sickness.
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 03:54:08 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:54:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <007601d55182$c7375bf0$55a613d0$@net>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
 <685116615.200230.1565656222622@connect.xfinity.com>
 <007601d55182$c7375bf0$55a613d0$@net>
Message-ID: <0a0001d551bd$0d290ac0$277b2040$@gmail.com>

Thanks Bob and all the others for the feedback.  Will tackle the job this
weekend.  I greatly appreciate the collective wisdom and options too address
the next challenge on the 3.  

Jim Henningsen

-----Original Message-----
From: Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> 
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 10:57 PM
To: 'Tom Walling' <pdqtr6 at comcast.net>; 'Jim Henningsen'
<trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?

I literally just did this today to replace the felt in the steering column.
Just to add a few hints, to remove the control head, remove the 3 grub
screws in the steering wheel, they are a little hard to see if you are not
looking for them, and pull the head out from the stator tube.  If you have a
little extra wire coming out of the steering box, you don't have to remove
the horn-push/turn signal head completely - it may be helpful to have
someone feed the wires up from the bottom of the steering box while you pull
on the head. If you don't remove the head completely along with all the
wires, which just makes it that much more difficult to reinstall, you can't
use a socket on that nut. I used a large adjustable crescent wrench
vertically with a screw driver through the hole at the end of the handle,
but an open end wrench of the right size if you have one, which i don't, may
work better.

BTW, I don't have any Whitworth wrenches and have managed many projects on
my TR3 and my 49 TR 2000 without them. 
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Walling
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:30 PM
To: Jim Henningsen; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?

You're in luck Jim! Leave the front apron right where it is. Set the car so
the front wheels track straight and remove and disconnect the horn-push /
turn signal head. Right before your very eyes will be a big nut (guaranteed
you won't have a socket that fits, but that's a good reason to add one to
your tool box). Unscrew the nut and carefully pull the wheel toward you
until it comes off of the steering column shaft. Fiddle with the wheel until
it looks right to you and (you guessed it), the rest is the reverse of what
you just did. This is one of the easier jobs on a TR3.


> On August 12, 2019 at 6:52 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the 
> bolts don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on
occasion.
> Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized 
> bolts and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those 
> wrenches?  I always like a new tool but want to check first.
> 
> Secondly, what steps do I need to do to get the steering wheel lined 
> up to be straight.  The car tracks nicely down the road in a straight 
> line but the steering wheel is at the 11 and 5pm clock positions left 
> and right hands respectively.  The shop manual says take off the front
apron etc.  Ouch.
> It's a 60 TR3A, is there an easier way to disconnect wheel like a TR6 
> to align correctly.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 82 Jeep CJ8
> 02 Triumph Trophy 1200
> Yes I have a sickness.
> 
> 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Aug 13 04:20:52 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:20:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.45.1565691657.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

A couple of adjustable (crescent) wrenches, one medium and one small, will pretty much cover the Whitworth wrench requirements.  A set of wrenches and sockets isn?t really required.  Still, I do open my ?British? drawer fairly often, so they aren?t useless either.

The hex nuts on all of the electrical equipment (starter, solenoid, generator, control box, heater, etc) are British (some BSF, mostly BA).  Ditto for the carbs.  A few other places, like the ?Lift the Dot? studs with machine threads, are British threads but even  British wrenches don?t fit the flats.

Fill plugs on the shock absorbers.  Frank already mentioned the adjustment lock nut on top of the steering box.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:52 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?

First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
always like a new tool but want to check first.

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 04:43:46 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:43:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <20190813102111.B0213A1A4C@autox.team.net>
References: <087701d55160$9c874a40$d595dec0$@gmail.com>
 <20190813102111.B0213A1A4C@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <F9A0B20C-AF10-41FA-A2EB-FD12D098963D@gmail.com>

Thank you. Jim

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> A couple of adjustable (crescent) wrenches, one medium and one small, will pretty much cover the Whitworth wrench requirements.  A set of wrenches and sockets isn?t really required.  Still, I do open my ?British? drawer fairly often, so they aren?t useless either.
>  
> The hex nuts on all of the electrical equipment (starter, solenoid, generator, control box, heater, etc) are British (some BSF, mostly BA).  Ditto for the carbs.  A few other places, like the ?Lift the Dot? studs with machine threads, are British threads but even  British wrenches don?t fit the flats.
>  
> Fill plugs on the shock absorbers.  Frank already mentioned the adjustment lock nut on top of the steering box.
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:52 PM
> To: 'Triumphs'
> Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
>  
> First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
> don't match up to my SAE wrenches.  I have had to use metric on occasion.
> Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.  Are these Whitworth sized bolts
> and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?  I
> always like a new tool but want to check first.
>  
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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Aug 13 09:28:54 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:28:54 GMT
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
Message-ID: <526ffc2b-b9dc-4352-8a67-43dba69ca6c0@me.com>

My brother used to have a Morris Minor, so he had a set of Whitworth Wrenches he wasn't using and gave them to me. ?I remember one time I was very glad I had them when I was working on the SU Carbs on the car trying to loosen something underneath which I could't see, and adjustable wrenches tend to get unadjusted easily, and didn't fit very well. The correct Wentworth Wrench was prefect.

If you can find a set on eBay pretty cheap, they're nice to have.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On August 13, 2019 at 3:21 AM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

A couple of adjustable (crescent) wrenches, one medium and one small, will pretty much cover the Whitworth wrench requirements.? A set of wrenches and sockets isn?t really required.? Still, I do open my ?British? drawer fairly often, so they aren?t useless either.
?
The hex nuts on all of the electrical equipment (starter, solenoid, generator, control box, heater, etc) are British (some BSF, mostly BA).? Ditto for the carbs.? A few other places, like the ?Lift the Dot? studs with machine threads, are British threads but even ?British wrenches don?t fit the flats.
?
Fill plugs on the shock absorbers.? Frank already mentioned the adjustment lock nut on top of the steering box.
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2019 5:52 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
?
First, being relatively new to the TR3 line, I am noticing some of the bolts
don't match up to my SAE wrenches.? I have had to use metric on occasion.
Haven't had this issue on the 4, 6 or 8.? Are these Whitworth sized bolts
and nuts which would mean I should invest in a set of those wrenches?? I
always like a new tool but want to check first.
?
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 17:13:15 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:13:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Whitworth Wrenches on a TR3?
In-Reply-To: <526ffc2b-b9dc-4352-8a67-43dba69ca6c0@me.com>
References: <526ffc2b-b9dc-4352-8a67-43dba69ca6c0@me.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOiokjB-D6LoT3AEJOPxx+Lb5OYPM7vYq6jmbV=hnYbeg@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall starter or generator electrical nuts being somewhat special
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Aug 13 22:26:19 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:26:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Prob
In-Reply-To: <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1002290559.1868853.1565108377702@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZcscgiCwyeT3=5kSzuuK9yVyyOc-Cd18aWCfDru42Hww@mail.gmail.com>

Have checked your spam folder?  I switched to Gmail and everything went to
spam.  I kept marking not spam and moving to my inbox.  Eventually most of
the list stuff started coming through again.

Your email was in my spam folder, but I don't think that is necessarily
relevant as to why you are not receiving emails from the list.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Tue, Aug 6, 2019, 11:19 AM <nafzigerg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Have not been getting messages from autox team for over a year.
>
> Gary Nafziger
>
>
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 14 19:17:05 2019
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 21:17:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 parts that were up for sale recently?
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPsU7n-jpWPC=+A1b+-4WcTK1WkwS8arvNcY74QGUvGVhw@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon, Pardon.  Who was it recently who said they had TR3 parts in their
garage that they selling?  Something struck my interest but I am
forgetful!~!!!
My email is:  dorpaul1 at gmail.com

Thanks, Paul Dorsey   60 TR3A
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Aug 15 07:20:05 2019
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:20:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] speedo cable
Message-ID: <d38b2e58-a3a2-decc-f004-fd42e2e912cb@adelphia.net>

Hello,

I need to replace the speedo cable on my 72 6.

A few years ago someone posted a link to a guy who sold them and they 
were of high quality. I had the link but it is on my old gone to heaven 
desktop.

Can anyone post the contact info please if they have it?

Thanks,

Bob in Central NY


From thomasb at queensu.ca  Thu Aug 15 08:48:47 2019
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:48:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn?t as smooth turning as it should be.   The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version  which appears to be dated 1978.  I believe the pulley present is original or at least original style.

My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.

The mounting flange is 1/16? thicker than the QH pump.  The consequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16? depression.  The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.  This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn?t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.  The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.

Anyone else experienced this?  Solutions?

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
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   92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
   Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR,
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Aug 15 08:53:57 2019
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:53:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] speedo cable
In-Reply-To: <d38b2e58-a3a2-decc-f004-fd42e2e912cb@adelphia.net>
References: <d38b2e58-a3a2-decc-f004-fd42e2e912cb@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <0MVtVe-1hnAHl1XWy-00XGRm@mrelay.perfora.net>

Morris Mintz at West Valley Instruments https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] speedo cable

Hello,

I need to replace the speedo cable on my 72 6.

A few years ago someone posted a link to a guy who sold them and they 
were of high quality. I had the link but it is on my old gone to heaven 
desktop.

Can anyone post the contact info please if they have it?

Thanks,

Bob in Central NY

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Aug 15 09:51:41 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 10:51:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] speedo cable
In-Reply-To: <0MVtVe-1hnAHl1XWy-00XGRm@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <d38b2e58-a3a2-decc-f004-fd42e2e912cb@adelphia.net>
 <0MVtVe-1hnAHl1XWy-00XGRm@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <8B811E5B-BF09-4FF8-AA68-5694FB044F21@flash.net>

Ditto w/Bob, Morris has supplied cables for me as well.  No problems.  
Bill

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Aug 15, 2019, at 9:53 AM, Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:

Morris Mintz at West Valley Instruments https://www.westvalleyinstruments.com/
 
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
 
From: Bob
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] speedo cable
 
Hello,
 
I need to replace the speedo cable on my 72 6.
 
A few years ago someone posted a link to a guy who sold them and they
were of high quality. I had the link but it is on my old gone to heaven
desktop.
 
Can anyone post the contact info please if they have it?
 
Thanks,
 
Bob in Central NY
 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 15 13:43:23 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:43:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <mailman.46.1565898208.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.

One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on the shaft.  If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite ?retaining compounds?.  I?ve had good luck with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.

But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.

-- Randall

From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn?t as smooth turning as it should be. ??The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version ?which appears to be dated 1978.? I believe the pulley present is original or at least original style.

My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.? 

The mounting flange is 1/16? thicker than the QH pump.? The consequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16? depression.? The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.? This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn?t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.? The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.

Anyone else experienced this?? Solutions?

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
?? Brian Thomas????????????????? ? ?????? E-mail:?? ThomasB at QueensU.Ca 
???92 Wyona Lane????????? ? ??????????? Phone:?? 613-385-1947
?? Wolfe Island,? Ontario ?????????????? Toys:?? 54 TR2,? 56 TR3,? 67 TR4A,? 01 XKR,? 
???CANADA?? K0H 2Y0???????????????????????????????? 75 John Deere 920



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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Thu Aug 15 14:31:21 2019
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 20:31:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
In-Reply-To: <20190815194651.BDBA1A0EFA@autox.team.net>
References: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <20190815194651.BDBA1A0EFA@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB379653FC4AB633BCB9455644D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Randall,

My pump also was from TRF ? was yours also in a green Lucas box?   I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one problem but not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be solved with longer studs.  I take it you did not have this problem?

Cheers,

Brian

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: August 15, 2019 3:43 PM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.

One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on the shaft.  If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite ?retaining compounds?.  I?ve had good luck with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.

But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.

-- Randall

From: Brian Thomas<mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)<mailto:britspcars at gmail.com>
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn?t as smooth turning as it should be.   The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version  which appears to be dated 1978.  I believe the pulley present is original or at least original style.

My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.

The mounting flange is 1/16? thicker than the QH pump.  The consequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16? depression.  The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.  This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn?t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.  The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.

Anyone else experienced this?  Solutions?

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
   Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB at QueensU.Ca<mailto:ThomasB at QueensU.Ca>
   92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
   Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR,
   CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920



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From terryrs at comcast.net  Thu Aug 15 17:01:53 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:01:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
In-Reply-To: <20190815194648.73659A0FD4@autox.team.net>
References: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <20190815194648.73659A0FD4@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <47717649.811734.1565910114097@connect.xfinity.com>

Just curious.  Is it possible the previous owner put in shorter studs than stock????

> On August 15, 2019 at 3:43 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.
> 
>      
> 
>     One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on the shaft.  If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite ?retaining compounds?.  I?ve had good luck with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.
> 
>      
> 
>     But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.
> 
>      
> 
>     -- Randall
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Brian Thomas mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca
>     Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
>     To: list Triumph mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
>     Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com) mailto:britspcars at gmail.com
>     Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
> 
>      
> 
>     Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn?t as smooth turning as it should be.   The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version  which appears to be dated 1978.  I believe the pulley present is original or at least original style.
> 
>      
> 
>     My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues. 
> 
>      
> 
>     The mounting flange is 1/16? thicker than the QH pump.  The consequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16? depression.  The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.  This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn?t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.  The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.
> 
>      
> 
>     Anyone else experienced this?  Solutions?
> 
>      
> 
>     Comments appreciated.
> 
>      
> 
>     Cheers,
> 
>      
> 
>     Brian
> 
>     _______________________________________________________________________
> 
>        Brian Thomas                           E-mail:   ThomasB at QueensU.Ca mailto:ThomasB at QueensU.Ca
> 
>        92 Wyona Lane                        Phone:   613-385-1947
> 
>        Wolfe Island,  Ontario                Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,  01 XKR, 
> 
>        CANADA   K0H 2Y0                                 75 John Deere 920
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 


 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 15 21:05:34 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:05:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps
In-Reply-To: <QB1PR01MB379653FC4AB633BCB9455644D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <QB1PR01MB3796BF17017911C509E6BB68D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <20190815194651.BDBA1A0EFA@autox.team.net>
 <QB1PR01MB379653FC4AB633BCB9455644D4AC0@QB1PR01MB3796.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Nope, not in a green Lucas box; flange and nut were original size.

Longer studs might not be a good solution either; the ends of the studs are pretty close to the pulley edge.  Even with the original studs, there isn?t room to get the nuts between the stud ends and the pulley, until you pull the pump out a bit from it?s installed position.


From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 3:31 PM
To: Randall; list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Hi Randall,

My pump also was from TRF ? was yours also in a green Lucas box?? ?I appreciate buying a new pulley will likely solve the one problem but not the additional thickness of the mounting flange which could be solved with longer studs.? I take it you did not have this problem?

Cheers,

Brian

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: August 15, 2019 3:43 PM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

FWIW, the replacement pump I got from TRF fit perfectly.

One thing to watch for, though, the pulley needs to be a very snug fit on the shaft.? If your old pulley will go on with just your fingers, you should either replace it, or you can try one of the Loctite ?retaining compounds?.? I?ve had good luck with RC609, but they make one that Is thicker and fills larger spaces.

But the new pulley from TRF also fit as it should, no Loctite needed.

-- Randall

From: Brian Thomas
Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 9:48 AM
To: list Triumph
Cc: Brad Smith (britspcars at gmail.com)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3/4 Water Pumps

Currently doing a frame up on our early TR2, I decided to replace the water pump which although working and not leaking wasn?t as smooth turning as it should be. ??The original pump (with grease fitting) had been replaced prior to my ownership with a Quinten-Hazel (QH) version ?which appears to be dated 1978.? I believe the pulley present is original or at least original style.

My problem is the Lucas-boxed 4 vane pump I ordered as a replacement has sizing issues.? 

The mounting flange is 1/16? thicker than the QH pump.? The consequence of this is the nuts do not tighten fully over the studs leaving I suspect about a 1/16? depression.? The second problem is with the nyloc nut that holds the pulley on.? This nut is about twice the diameter of the originals and so thick it doesn?t come close to engaging the nyloc feature.? The washer supplied is also very thick and replacement with a thinner version might help but not enough.

Anyone else experienced this?? Solutions?

Comments appreciated.

Cheers,

Brian
_______________________________________________________________________
?? Brian Thomas????????????????? ? ?????? E-mail:?? ThomasB at QueensU.Ca 
???92 Wyona Lane????????? ? ??????????? Phone:?? 613-385-1947
?? Wolfe Island,? Ontario ?????????????? Toys:?? 54 TR2,? 56 TR3,? 67 TR4A,? 01 XKR,? 
???CANADA?? K0H 2Y0???????????????????????????????? 75 John Deere 920




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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 08:22:13 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:22:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A Voltage Regulator photos needed
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwg28iLNOv_iRZg8cp7m-3NvCdgACzxhsU49dfoAWOrtUA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all ~

Is there, by some chance, anyone out there with a photo or two of their
Lucar-termial voltage regulator box (gutted and jumpered for use with an
alternator) and completely wired/operational? I just need to verify my
connections and pictures help a lot!  :- )


*Thank all!*
Dave Friedlander
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Aug 16 12:32:44 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:32:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] TR3A Voltage Regulator photos needed
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwg28iLNOv_iRZg8cp7m-3NvCdgACzxhsU49dfoAWOrtUA@mail.gmail.com>
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You must jump D, A1, A2 all together.  D is the dynamo output.  A1 and A2 are feeds to the battery and the rest of the car.  

You will need to run the warning light to the appropriate terminal on the alternator.  

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Aug 16, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Friedlander via NET <net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all ~
> 
> Is there, by some chance, anyone out there with a photo or two of their Lucar-termial voltage regulator box (gutted and jumpered for use with an alternator) and completely wired/operational? I just need to verify my connections and pictures help a lot!  :- )
> 
> Thank all!
> 
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 12:37:38 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:37:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] [NET] TR3A Voltage Regulator photos needed
In-Reply-To: <0B7C3C04-B0F8-4CEC-BFC4-06B349386BDE@comcast.net>
References: <CAJ1eQwg28iLNOv_iRZg8cp7m-3NvCdgACzxhsU49dfoAWOrtUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Anthony;

It was easier for me to just jumper A, A1, and F together as they are right
next to each other. I just wanted to see a photo of someone's wired-up
control box who had also jumpeted ot for use with an alternator.

Dave

On Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 2:32 PM Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:

> You must jump D, A1, A2 all together.  D is the dynamo output.  A1 and A2
> are feeds to the battery and the rest of the car.
>
> You will need to run the warning light to the appropriate terminal on the
> alternator.
>
> -Tony
>
> Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>
> On Aug 16, 2019, at 10:22 AM, David Friedlander via NET <
> net at newenglandtriumphs.org> wrote:
>
> Hello all ~
>
> Is there, by some chance, anyone out there with a photo or two of their
> Lucar-termial voltage regulator box (gutted and jumpered for use with an
> alternator) and completely wired/operational? I just need to verify my
> connections and pictures help a lot!  :- )
>
>
> *Thank all!*
> Dave Friedlander
>
> _______________________________________________
> NET mailing list
> NET at newenglandtriumphs.org
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 17 17:54:39 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:54:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
Message-ID: <025901d55557$230e40b0$692ac210$@gmail.com>

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig
part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
not running.  

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground.  
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home
for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6



From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Aug 17 18:24:38 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 19:24:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
In-Reply-To: <025901d55557$230e40b0$692ac210$@gmail.com>
References: <025901d55557$230e40b0$692ac210$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.51.1566087881.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won?t hurt.

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don?t recall the exact numbers offhand, but it?s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full), you?ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn?t work.  Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge doesn?t respond either, it?s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like maybe it?s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I don?t recall for sure.

-- Randall

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig
part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
not running.  

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground.  
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home
for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6


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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Aug 17 20:11:57 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 21:11:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
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Assume your new sender and old gauge are good, then you are down to connections.  The polarity change should not have mattered but grounding  for the sending unit and the gauge are vital.  I run independent ground wires to both of these.    

If you believe your old sender to be good, except for the leak, you might connect it up outside of the tank and test it. 

Farther on, Barney has some good info and test procedures on his MGA GURU web site: http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm

All the best,
Bill

Sent from my IBM 8088

On Aug 17, 2019, at 6:54 PM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig
part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
not running.  

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground.  
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home
for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Aug 17 23:50:51 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 00:50:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
In-Reply-To: <6798CC7B-B5A7-49F9-9B72-CF8C58E233D3@flash.net>
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> The polarity change should not have mattered but grounding ?for the sending unit 
> and the gauge are vital. ?

Unlike TR2-3, the TR4 gauge does not need to be grounded.

> Farther on, Barney has some good info and test procedures on his MGA GURU web 
> site:?http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/electric/electr_1.htm

TR2-3 gauge works the same as MGA, but TR4 is completely different inside.  I fear that trying to use the MGA sequence will just confuse the issue.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Aug 18 07:46:27 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:46:27 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Triumph Owners
Date: 	Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Tom Butler <tm.butler at yahoo.com>
To: 	



We are trying to form a triumph club in N. GA. I am wondering if you 
could provide me a contact list of Triumph owners in the N. GA area. ?I 
live near Blueridge GA.
Thanks much!
Tom Butler


From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 08:55:19 2019
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:55:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners
In-Reply-To: <319932cb-2ebb-fa5a-963c-f863633cce34@bradakis.com>
References: <118637250.497906.1566072320203@mail.yahoo.com>
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Tom,

Have you tried contacting the Georgia Triumph Association?  They claim Cummings, GA, as their home base.  They just hosted the 2019 Triumph Register of America national meet in Dillard earlier this summer.  Contact them at gatriumph.org and tell Earl Ferguson that I sent you his way!

Cheers,
Chuck

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 9:46 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Triumph Owners
Date: 	Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Tom Butler <tm.butler at yahoo.com>
To: 	


We are trying to form a triumph club in N. GA. I am wondering if you could provide me a contact list of Triumph owners in the N. GA area.  I live near Blueridge GA.
Thanks much!
Tom Butler 


From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Aug 18 09:22:31 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 10:22:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] car shipper
Message-ID: <004201d555d8$c1203cf0$4360b6d0$@ranteer.com>

I am about to ship a car from Dallas to Maryland am looking for
recommendations on a shipper.  Car is anything but pristine so don't need
fancy/enclosed, just reliable

 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 09:40:23 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 11:40:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
In-Reply-To: <5d589ac9.1c69fb81.846b6.c63eSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <025901d55557$230e40b0$692ac210$@gmail.com>
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Thanks all for the feedback.  I?m heading out this afternoon for some tinkering.  I didn?t mention this since I didn?t think related, but the temp gauge is also not working, and didn?t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.

Jim Henningsen 

 

From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won?t hurt.

 

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.

 

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don?t recall the exact numbers offhand, but it?s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full), you?ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

 

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn?t work.  Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge doesn?t respond either, it?s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like maybe it?s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I don?t recall for sure.

 

-- Randall

 

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From: Jim Henningsen <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car

ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.

Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to

neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and

verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig

part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons

of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so

slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used

a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with

ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but

not running.  

 

My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not

original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg

ground.  

3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

 

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list

tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,

manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR

member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home

for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

 

Many thanks,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

75 TR6

 

 

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From etd at psu.edu  Sun Aug 18 11:17:47 2019
From: etd at psu.edu (Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 17:17:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
In-Reply-To: <00d801d555db$40613990$c123acb0$@gmail.com>
References: <025901d55557$230e40b0$692ac210$@gmail.com>
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If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage stabilizer.

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM
To: 'Randall' <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Thanks all for the feedback.  I?m heading out this afternoon for some tinkering.  I didn?t mention this since I didn?t think related, but the temp gauge is also not working, and didn?t realize it might be the voltage stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.
Jim Henningsen

From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won?t hurt.

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don?t recall the exact numbers offhand, but it?s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full), you?ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn?t work.  Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge doesn?t respond either, it?s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like maybe it?s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I don?t recall for sure.

-- Randall

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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs'<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.
Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig
part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used
a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
not running.

My thoughts.
1. Bad gauge?
2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
ground.
3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive
to pos on sending unit
4. new sender bad

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home
for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6


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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 11:34:54 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:34:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
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Eureeka!  As you and Randall pointed out, I think that's it.  I swapped out
the speedo unit with an NOS one during restoration and didn't change the
voltage stabilizer from my orig speedo which was probably already changed to
Neg ground.  Since all worked prior to disassembly and had already been
converted to neg ground.  Let me dig it up in the parts bin and swap it out.
I also did grounding tests on temp and fuel sending units and still not
working.  Both of those gauge feeds are downstream of the voltage stabilizer
so that's the next thing to check. Nothing like getting all of the bugs out
of a fresh restoration.  

Thanks,

Jim H

 

From: Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas <etd at psu.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Randall' <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>;
'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage
stabilizer.

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<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Jim Henningsen
<trguy75 at gmail.com <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com> >
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 11:40:23 AM
To: 'Randall' <tr3driver at ca.rr.com <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com> >;
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Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles 

 

Thanks all for the feedback.  I'm heading out this afternoon for some
tinkering.  I didn't mention this since I didn't think related, but the temp
gauge is also not working, and didn't realize it might be the voltage
stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.

Jim Henningsen 

 

From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com> >;
'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and
ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb
towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won't hurt.

 

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the
grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not
very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one
of the tank mounting bolts.

 

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don't recall the exact numbers
offhand, but it's something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it
seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full),
you've got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

 

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn't work.  Do
the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge
doesn't respond either, it's probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like
maybe it's mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I
don't recall for sure.

 

-- Randall

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car

ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.

Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to

neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and

verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig

part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons

of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so

slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used

a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with

ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but

not running.  

 

My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not

original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg

ground.  

3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

 

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list

tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,

manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR

member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home

for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

 

Many thanks,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

75 TR6

 

 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 11:47:00 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 13:47:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
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Disregard the speedo comment on my last post.  Too many TRs on the brain
this past week (3,4 and 6)  volt stabilizer not on speedo on 4.  Its up in
the passenger footwell.  Thanks all.  New one on order and hopefully that's
it.  Appreciate everyone's patience and support. jim

 

From: Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas <etd at psu.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 1:18 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Randall' <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>;
'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground voltage
stabilizer.

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<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Jim Henningsen
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Subject: Re: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles 

 

Thanks all for the feedback.  I'm heading out this afternoon for some
tinkering.  I didn't mention this since I didn't think related, but the temp
gauge is also not working, and didn't realize it might be the voltage
stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.

Jim Henningsen 

 

From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com> >;
'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on, and
ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb
towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best
to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won't hurt.

 

My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be the
grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3, meaning not
very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the sender to one
of the tank mounting bolts.

 

Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don't recall the exact numbers
offhand, but it's something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it
seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full),
you've got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.

 

Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn't work.  Do
the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp gauge
doesn't respond either, it's probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems like
maybe it's mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but honestly I
don't recall for sure.

 

-- Randall

 

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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
To: 'Triumphs' <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles

 

Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car

ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4 CT5212LO.

Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to

neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and

verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since orig

part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons

of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so

slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even used

a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with

ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but

not running.  

 

My thoughts.

1. Bad gauge?

2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not

original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg

ground.  

3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and positive

to pos on sending unit

4. new sender bad

 

Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list

tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,

manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR

member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a home

for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.

 

Many thanks,

Jim Henningsen

Ocala, FL

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

75 TR6

 

 

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Sun Aug 18 12:51:53 2019
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 11:51:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners
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There is a very good British car club in Easley, SC called the Foothills
British Car Club.  

http://fbccsc.org/

My parents are members and I've had opportunity to go to a couple of events
there and been able to reciprocate when their members visited Las Vegas here
at the British Auto Club of Las Vegas





-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck White
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 7:55 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: eaferguson at aol.com; tm.butler at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners

Tom,

Have you tried contacting the Georgia Triumph Association?  They claim
Cummings, GA, as their home base.  They just hosted the 2019 Triumph
Register of America national meet in Dillard earlier this summer.  Contact
them at gatriumph.org and tell Earl Ferguson that I sent you his way!

Cheers,
Chuck

-----Original Message-----
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Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2019 9:46 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumph Owners


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Date: 	Sat, 17 Aug 2019 20:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Tom Butler <tm.butler at yahoo.com>
To: 	


We are trying to form a triumph club in N. GA. I am wondering if you could
provide me a contact list of Triumph owners in the N. GA area.  I live near
Blueridge GA.
Thanks much!
Tom Butler 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Aug 18 13:35:59 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 14:35:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
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> If you changed to negative ground you need to have a negative ground
> voltage stabilizer.

The original voltage stabilizers will work with either ground polarity.

Aftermarket (solid state) ones are definitely polarity sensitive, though.

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 18 17:00:22 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 19:00:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
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Jim;

Can't say about a TR4 but, in my '74 TR6, when both the gas gauge and the
temp
gauge don't work, it's a loose fuse in the holder (both run off the same
fuse).
Check the fuse connections....

Dave



On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 11:40 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the feedback.  I?m heading out this afternoon for some
> tinkering.  I didn?t mention this since I didn?t think related, but the
> temp gauge is also not working, and didn?t realize it might be the voltage
> stabilizer unit.  Hmmmnn.
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
>
>
> *From:* Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 17, 2019 8:25 PM
> *To:* Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Triumphs' <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* RE: [TR] Fuel gauge troubles
>
>
>
> Quick and dirty test : Remove the wire from the sender, turn the key on,
> and ground the wire while watching the gauge.  If the gauge starts to climb
> towards full, then the gauge & wiring to it are probably OK.  Probably best
> to not leave it this way for long, but a few minutes won?t hurt.
>
>
>
> My next suspect (especially since it worked before restoration) would be
> the grounding for the sender.  IIRC the TR4 grounds the same as TR3,
> meaning not very well.  I like to add a ground wire from the stud on the
> sender to one of the tank mounting bolts.
>
>
>
> Use an ohmmeter to check the sender.  I don?t recall the exact numbers
> offhand, but it?s something like 100 ohms empty and 10 ohms full.  If it
> seems to work backwards (low resistance empty and high resistance full),
> you?ve got a TR3 sender instead of TR4.
>
>
>
> Also worth checking the temp gauge if the first test above doesn?t work.
> Do the same thing, pull the wire off the sender and ground it.  If temp
> gauge doesn?t respond either, it?s probably the voltage stabilizer.  Seems
> like maybe it?s mounted over in the passenger footwell on a TR4, but
> honestly I don?t recall for sure.
>
>
>
> -- Randall
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:54 PM
> *To: *'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] Fuel gauge troubles
>
>
>
> Help, I'm calling the TR bat phone again.  Switching projects to get my car
>
> ready for AACC southeastern fall nationals on Mobile AL.  1962 TR4
> CT5212LO.
>
> Fuel gauge worked prior to restoration but not after.  Car is switched to
>
> neg ground.  Orig fuel sender float was sunk in tank.  Removed it and
>
> verified there is gas in it.  Hoping there is a way to rebuild it since
> orig
>
> part.  Put in a new sending unit from TRF this morning and added 7 gallons
>
> of gas and it still doesn't work but float rises.  The needle moved ever so
>
> slightly right above E then dropped back down with ignition on.  I even
> used
>
> a coat hanger to manually raise the float in the gas tank to "full" with
>
> ignition on but needle still didn't work.  Ignition in "On" position, but
>
> not running.
>
>
>
> My thoughts.
>
> 1. Bad gauge?
>
> 2. Wires reversed on fuel gauge from resto impacting since it is neg not
>
> original positive ground.  Running generator that has been polarized to neg
>
> ground.
>
> 3. connections at new sending unit not secure. Neg is to ground and
> positive
>
> to pos on sending unit
>
> 4. new sender bad
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on the possible easy fix before going through the list
>
> tomorrow.  Also, if anyone is looking for a nice 73 Stag with hardtop,
>
> manual tran, that has been owned by a TR owner of 60+ tyears and avid VTR
>
> member, it is for sale in Tally.  I am trying to help the family find a
> home
>
> for it.  Email me offline if you would like pics and contact info.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Jim Henningsen
>
> Ocala, FL
>
> 60 TR3A
>
> 61 TR3A
>
> 62 TR4
>
> 75 TR6
>
>
>
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 19 21:27:40 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 22:27:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack]  Jim Clark tribute in The Grand Tour episode
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Late to this party. Just watched the bit onClark.  Not old enough to
remember Clark racing, but the tribute was very well done.  Knew he (and
other racers) participated in a lot other classes back then, and that Clark
was killed in an F2 car, didn't know he was so dominant in those other
classes as well.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019, 7:15 PM Stan Foster via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Thanks Lee. I lost interest in the Top Gear trio years ago but I very much
> enjoyed that tribute to Jim Clark.
>
> Stan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Lee
> Daniels <lee at automate-it.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 10, 2019 12:31:47 AM
> *To:* 6pack at autox.team.net <6pack at autox.team.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Jim Clark tribute in The Grand Tour episode
>
> I had just about written off The Grand Tour, as the humor had become clunky
> and the real car talk had become thin. Then I watched episode 5 of season 3
> tonight. A couple of decent tests/reviews, and yes some juvenile humor,
> such
> as Jeremy ice-racing a Lambo Urus vs. Abbie Eaton in a Porsche, on a
> penis-shaped track.
>
> But then --- the tour-de-force --- a 20-minute historical tribute to Jim
> Clark, with plenty of photos and footage. Oh, my. They include interviews
> with
> a couple of his colleagues, who tear up a little - as did I.
>
> And Richard Hammond gets to drive the very Lotus 25 that Clark himself
> drove!
>
> If you have Amazon Prime, watch this one. It's episode 5 of Season 3,
> titled
> "An Itchy Urus" (of course). If you don't have an hour, jump to 00:36:00
> and
> watch the last 22 minutes, you'll be glad you did.
>
>  Lee
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 22 11:31:37 2019
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 10:31:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] NOS  Michelin  185R15 Redline Tire (1)
Message-ID: <54AAC895-D662-47F7-8DC7-EF22340748DC@comcast.net>

If  you are looking for that last item to complete your restoration I have this NOS  Michelin  185R15 Redline Tire (1)

First of all it was made on the 1st Month, 1st Day in 1991. (if my identification is correct.  (111)

It can not / should not be used as a road tire. It has been in my trunk as a spare tire since 1998, and is in pristine condition. Serving only to gain extra point (s) in Judged Concours de Elagane.

By calling it  pristine maybe stretching it a tiny bit, but it really is in great condition .  If anyone is interested let me know and I can send you pictures .


Bill Pugh
anabil007 at comcast.net
PO BOX 83
WALLACE, CA 95254

209-210-8019	mobile
 
Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars



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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 25 13:59:40 2019
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2019 15:59:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPtT5ju5hiCZVeMtHxnKLcA17yYRuPXw9TUyyUbapDAzFw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know alot and my TR3 has been up on blocks outside covered up with
a tarp for about 15 years.  I think I started the motor about 5 years ago.
Its been quiet since that time; I've wanted to wait until retirement to get
it going again.  I didn't anticipate losing my drivers license, which might
affect my plans.  However, maybe the TR3's stylishness will throw off the
cops if they pull me over.

I pulled back the tarp, (I had prievously removed the bonnett), lifted the
valve cover and saw that I needed a pushrod tube as I never completed the
valve adjustment job about 5 years ago.
In doing so I also saw one of the valves stuck open! I don't remember this
happening, but I'll need to address it before continuing with the valve
adjustment. Is there any likelyhood that something like stuck open because
of a dry valve guide?  Is it essential that I pull the head?  I kinda think
it is.

Paul Dorsey  60 TR3A
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Aug 26 07:14:58 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 13:14:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!
References: <1208893353.1537808.1566825298509.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1208893353.1537808.1566825298509@mail.yahoo.com>

 Let's see, stored outside under a tarp for several years, valve stuck open, valve made out of steel, steel rusts, um... yeah, I think so.
Sorry for the bad news.
FWIW, I took my head to the shop the other week.? It was working mostly OK but I was suffering from valve seat recession.? The machinist said my valves were rusting.? This on a working head.? So I ordered new valves.? Lot$ of $tuff to do on this head.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
To: Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 3:01 pm
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!

I don't know alot and my TR3 has been up on blocks outside covered up with a tarp for about 15 years.? I think I started the motor about 5?years ago.? Its been quiet since that time; I've wanted to wait until retirement to get it going again.? I didn't anticipate losing my drivers license, which might affect my plans.? However, maybe the TR3's stylishness will throw off the cops if they pull me over.
I pulled back the tarp, (I had prievously removed the bonnett), lifted the valve cover and saw that I needed a pushrod tube as I never completed the valve adjustment job about 5 years ago.In doing so I also saw one of the valves stuck open! I don't remember this happening, but I'll need to address it before continuing with the valve adjustment. Is there any likelyhood that something like stuck open because of a dry valve guide?? Is it essential that I pull the head?? I kinda think it is.
Paul Dorsey? 60 TR3A
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Aug 26 15:46:41 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
Message-ID: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>

If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.


No financial interest and all that.


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667

New Hampshire
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Aug 26 15:59:07 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:59:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>

Picky Picky Picky!!!!!



https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html






> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     And the link for it?
> 
>     On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.
> > 
> > 
> >         No financial interest and all that.
> > 
> > 
> >         Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
> > 
> >         New Hampshire
> > 
> >         ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Aug 26 16:19:45 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 18:19:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
 <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <00a301d55c5c$5e94e2e0$1bbea8a0$@uprichard.net>

Wow, $9700 for a car which ?yard drives? and ?body needs restored? ??  Seems high to me.

 

My experience is that, with the exception of the car above, our TRs have not been holding good prices recently.  Maybe all the people who are familiar with them have been dying off and the next generation is not interested ?  

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 5:59 PM
To: David Friedlander; triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)

 

Picky Picky Picky!!!!!

 

 

https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html

 

 

 

 

 

On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote: 

And the link for it?

 

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 

If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.

 

No financial interest and all that.

 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667

New Hampshire

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 16:20:10 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:20:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
 <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFD0rLoS2sPgU1K595-Yuskc0Sd++CWsM2aLSj40o40USw@mail.gmail.com>

Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was a
1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> And the link for it?
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not
> Cars and Trucks.
>
>
> No financial interest and all that.
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
>
> New Hampshire
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From stan at redtr6.com  Mon Aug 26 16:35:57 2019
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 22:35:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFD0rLoS2sPgU1K595-Yuskc0Sd++CWsM2aLSj40o40USw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
 <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>,
 <CAPK7CFD0rLoS2sPgU1K595-Yuskc0Sd++CWsM2aLSj40o40USw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB6694CA962CF822A4779BDFBDFEA10@BYAPR05MB6694.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Its an early car, still has the removable panel for RHD conversion.

Stan
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 6:20:10 PM
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)

Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net<mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>> wrote:

Picky Picky Picky!!!!!



https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html






On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>> wrote:

And the link for it?

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net<mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>> wrote:

If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.


No financial interest and all that.


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667

New Hampshire

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 16:39:01 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:39:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB6694CA962CF822A4779BDFBDFEA10@BYAPR05MB6694.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
 <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAPK7CFD0rLoS2sPgU1K595-Yuskc0Sd++CWsM2aLSj40o40USw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR05MB6694CA962CF822A4779BDFBDFEA10@BYAPR05MB6694.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFB+5F1enueHFRXZfxGDSv_FiLwNLBgxJihXAgDOyorL=Q@mail.gmail.com>

You're right, Stan!  I'll bet that's a later engine -- it's not exactly the
right one for a TCF-series TR3B with that brass vent plug.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 5:36 PM Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:

> Its an early car, still has the removable panel for RHD conversion.
>
> Stan
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don
> Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 26, 2019 6:20:10 PM
> *To:* TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> *Cc:* triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
>
> Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was
> a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And the link for it?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts,
>> not Cars and Trucks.
>>
>>
>> No financial interest and all that.
>>
>>
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
>>
>> New Hampshire
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>>
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 17:27:51 2019
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:27:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!
In-Reply-To: <1208893353.1537808.1566825298509@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1208893353.1537808.1566825298509.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1208893353.1537808.1566825298509@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPtGKS3ZLzQ_NZEgTvO-w_k5JTUFYwA+N0gk0bu76nQgew@mail.gmail.com>

It's been about 5 years since I've ran my TR3's engine and I now see one of
the exhaust valve's stuck open.  So I turned over the engine with a wrench
(having sprayed lubricant into the cylinders thru the spark plug holes), I
even ran a couple of feet of lamp cord into the spark plug hole hoping that
might help push out the rusty (I guess) valve but it still wouldn't budge
using my socket wrench.)  I contemplated using a cheater pipe on my socket
wrench, but didnt want to chance it.  At this point, I think I'll pull the
head and take it to my engine shop.  Question: Who do they get their parts
from?  Are they as good as Moss, or TRF?

Here  is Triumph Team.net archive link:
http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/
I forgot how I got on the list , but here is their email
triumphs at autox.team.net

Thanks, Paul Dorsey in Athens

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> Let's see, stored outside under a tarp for several years, valve stuck
> open, valve made out of steel, steel rusts, um... yeah, I think so.
>
> Sorry for the bad news.
>
> FWIW, I took my head to the shop the other week.  It was working mostly OK
> but I was suffering from valve seat recession.  The machinist said my
> valves were rusting.  This on a working head.  So I ordered new valves.
> Lot$ of $tuff to do on this head.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
> To: Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 3:01 pm
> Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!
>
> I don't know alot and my TR3 has been up on blocks outside covered up with
> a tarp for about 15 years.  I think I started the motor about 5 years ago.
> Its been quiet since that time; I've wanted to wait until retirement to get
> it going again.  I didn't anticipate losing my drivers license, which might
> affect my plans.  However, maybe the TR3's stylishness will throw off the
> cops if they pull me over.
>
> I pulled back the tarp, (I had prievously removed the bonnett), lifted the
> valve cover and saw that I needed a pushrod tube as I never completed the
> valve adjustment job about 5 years ago.
> In doing so I also saw one of the valves stuck open! I don't remember this
> happening, but I'll need to address it before continuing with the valve
> adjustment. Is there any likelyhood that something like stuck open because
> of a dry valve guide?  Is it essential that I pull the head?  I kinda think
> it is.
>
> Paul Dorsey  60 TR3A
>
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug 26 17:54:24 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 16:54:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB6694CA962CF822A4779BDFBDFEA10@BYAPR05MB6694.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2101498561.524812.1566856002941@connect.xfinity.com>
 <CAJ1eQwjFWZyBoxbZxhfQZ8TMoBy6TLxtqymHUROhxSNXrUuPng@mail.gmail.com>
 <1877940219.524950.1566856748162@connect.xfinity.com>,
 <CAPK7CFD0rLoS2sPgU1K595-Yuskc0Sd++CWsM2aLSj40o40USw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BYAPR05MB6694CA962CF822A4779BDFBDFEA10@BYAPR05MB6694.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1847080412.380648.1566863664783@connect.xfinity.com>

It looks to be as described a '59 and a pre-60,000 vin car.  No raised hinge stamping on the cowl or hood.  I have 3 '59s. Two have the right-hand drive cover plates and they have 46,000 vins and the other is a 51,000 vin without the plate.  

Dave H.


> On August 26, 2019 at 3:35 PM Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
> 
>     Its an early car, still has the removable panel for RHD conversion.
> 
>     Stan
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Monday, August 26, 2019 6:20:10 PM
>     To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
>     Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
>      
>     Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.
> 
>     On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >             > > > On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander < forzion7 at gmail.com mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             And the link for it?
> > > 
> > >             On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 No financial interest and all that.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
> > > > 
> > > >                 New Hampshire
> > > > 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug 26 18:49:53 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 17:49:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
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My '54 TR2 long door has an adjustable steering column as original, a factory option.  The double "strings" with the gap in between on the wheel is the tell tale sign of the adjustable column.  MG and Healey also, as far as I know.
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.
> 
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
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>>> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> And the link for it?
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote: 
>>> If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No financial interest and all that.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
>>> 
>>> New Hampshire
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 18:59:20 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:59:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
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Andrew,

If you look at prices for things like model As and even MG T series, prices
have been stagnant the last 20-30 years or so, Big Healey's have leveled
off the last 5 or ten years, it happens.

When I look at most any pre-war car I find it interesting, but not anything
I would ever really want to own, I imagine a lot of younger folks, even car
people, feel the same way about "our" cars.  In fact I frequent some car
forums with a much younger demographic than here, pretty much anything
built when carburators were the norm is considered unsafe, finicky, and
slow by a pretty large portion of that group.

Nothing will make you feel old quite like somebody suggesting that
re-mapping a fuel injection system Isa piece of cake, while carbs are a
deep, dark mystery.

Greg Lemon
TR250


Andrew Uprichard wrote:

> Wow, $9700 for a car which ?yard drives? and ?body needs restored? ??
> Seems high to me.
>
>
>
> My experience is that, with the exception of the car above, our TRs have
> not been holding good prices recently.  Maybe all the people who are
> familiar with them have been dying off and the next generation is not
> interested ?
>
>
>
>
>
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> https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
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>
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>
> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> And the link for it?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not
> Cars and Trucks.
>
>
>
> No financial interest and all that.
>
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
>
> New Hampshire
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Aug 26 19:43:20 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 20:43:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
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Dave, that's interesting.  Although the adjustable steering column was an
option throughout production, I don't think I've known a TR2-3A with
original adjustable steering.  And I don't think I've ever seen a TR3B that
*didn't* have one fitted originally.  S-T musta had a LOT of those to get
rid of!

Those adjustable wheels deteriorate more severely than just about
anything.  It's rare to see one above "awful" condition!  Most of them look
like this or much worse:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvWsQHg/0/1029cecd/X5/i-zvWsQHg-X5.jpg

Don
1962 TR3B TSF202L


On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 7:49 PM Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

> My '54 TR2 long door has an adjustable steering column as original, a
> factory option.  The double "strings" with the gap in between on the wheel
> is the tell tale sign of the adjustable column.  MG and Healey also, as far
> as I know.
> Dave H.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was
> a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> And the link for it?
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts,
>> not Cars and Trucks.
>>
>>
>> No financial interest and all that.
>>
>>
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
>>
>> New Hampshire
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Aug 26 20:38:38 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 19:38:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
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I have the Heritage Certificate for all my TRs and for the TR2 the adjustable column is listed. 

Personally, I find the adjustable steering wheel goes in the wrong direction.  I am of average height, 5'9".  I like a shorter distance to the peddles, meaning, I like the seat forward and a little straighter arm to the wheel.  The adjustable wheel actually lengthens the distance between the dash capping when shortened all the way.  When it's extended, arms are too bent and the wheel too close.  So, one would think if you are shorter, you would want the seat far forward and the steering wheel would also move in that direction.  If one is really tall, the seat goes back and the wheel forward for more arm length.  

On my TR3 race car, I made the non-adjustable column shorter so there is just enough comfortable clearance so my fingers don't touch the dash capping, but it's close.  I also modified the Kirkey Vintage racing seat to further recline it in order to gain arm length to the wheel.  To me, these cars are all screwed up in terms of ergonomics.  Just adding an option doesn't necessarily make it better, but it sure sounds like it must be a good thing.  It's adjustable!  Yay!

DH


> On August 26, 2019 at 6:43 PM Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     Dave, that's interesting.  Although the adjustable steering column was an option throughout production, I don't think I've known a TR2-3A with original adjustable steering.  And I don't think I've ever seen a TR3B that *didn't* have one fitted originally.  S-T musta had a LOT of those to get rid of!
> 
>     Those adjustable wheels deteriorate more severely than just about anything.  It's rare to see one above "awful" condition!  Most of them look like this or much worse:
>     https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zvWsQHg/0/1029cecd/X5/i-zvWsQHg-X5.jpg
> 
>     Don
>     1962 TR3B TSF202L
> 
> 
>     On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 7:49 PM Dave < dlhogye at comcast.net mailto:dlhogye at comcast.net > wrote:
> 
>         > >         My '54 TR2 long door has an adjustable steering column as original, a factory option.  The double "strings" with the gap in between on the wheel is the tell tale sign of the adjustable column.  MG and Healey also, as far as I know.
> >         Dave H. 
> > 
> >         Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >         On Aug 26, 2019, at 3:20 PM, Don Hiscock < don.hiscock at gmail.com mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com > wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >             > > >             Adjustable steering and TR4-style valve cover?  I'd have guessed that was a 1962 TR3B, not a 1959 TR3A.
> > > 
> > >             On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 4:59 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 Picky Picky Picky!!!!!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 https://plattsburgh.craigslist.org/pts/d/queensbury-1959-tr3-wide-mouth-roadster/6962060119.html
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                     > > > > > On August 26, 2019 at 5:46 PM David Friedlander < forzion7 at gmail.com mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     And the link for it?
> > > > > 
> > > > >                     On Mon, Aug 26, 2019, 5:47 PM TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >                         > > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         If anybody's interested, it's listed, at least here, under Auto Parts, not Cars and Trucks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         No financial interest and all that.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 59667
> > > > > > 
> > > > > >                         New Hampshire
> > > > > > 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Aug 27 05:33:01 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:33:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!
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 I just ordered valves for my TR6 from Moss.? TRF is also a good source.? If you don't want to deal with either of them try TS Imported in Ohio.? But at $5 - $6 a piece, they are not expensive and the cost will get lost in the machine shop changes.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: Triumph list Team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Aug 26, 2019 6:28 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Lost more than just my head!

It's been about 5 years since I've ran my TR3's engine and I now see one of the exhaust valve's stuck open.? So I turned over the engine with a wrench (having sprayed lubricant into the cylinders thru the spark plug holes), I even ran a couple of feet of lamp cord into the spark plug hole hoping that might help push out the rusty (I guess) valve but it still wouldn't budge using my socket wrench.)? I contemplated using a cheater pipe on my socket wrench, but didnt want to chance it.? At this?point, I think I'll pull the head and take it to my engine shop.? Question: Who do they get their parts from?? Are they as good as Moss, or TRF?
Here? is Triumph Team.net archive link:??http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs/I forgot how I got on the list , but here is their email?triumphs at autox.team.net
Thanks, Paul Dorsey in Athens
On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 9:15 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

 Let's see, stored outside under a tarp for several years, valve stuck open, valve made out of steel, steel rusts, um... yeah, I think so.
Sorry for the bad news.
FWIW, I took my head to the shop the other week.? It was working mostly OK but I was suffering from valve seat recession.? The machinist said my valves were rusting.? This on a working head.? So I ordered new valves.? Lot$ of $tuff to do on this head.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Sun, Aug 25, 2019 3:01 pm
Subject: [TR] Lost more than just my head!

I don't know alot and my TR3 has been up on blocks outside covered up with a tarp for about 15 years.? I think I started the motor about 5?years ago.? Its been quiet since that time; I've wanted to wait until retirement to get it going again.? I didn't anticipate losing my drivers license, which might affect my plans.? However, maybe the TR3's stylishness will throw off the cops if they pull me over.
I pulled back the tarp, (I had prievously removed the bonnett), lifted the valve cover and saw that I needed a pushrod tube as I never completed the valve adjustment job about 5 years ago.In doing so I also saw one of the valves stuck open! I don't remember this happening, but I'll need to address it before continuing with the valve adjustment. Is there any likelyhood that something like stuck open because of a dry valve guide?? Is it essential that I pull the head?? I kinda think it is.
Paul Dorsey? 60 TR3A

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Aug 27 07:25:02 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 06:25:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR3 for Sale (not mine)
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When I go to All British Field Meets, with the exception of the Land 
Rover group, all I see are senior citizens with their British sports 
cars. I don't see younger generations filling in the ranks. For years 
now, prices have been falling on American 60s & 70s classics. I talked 
to a big Healey guy last weekend who said prices for them have been soft.

The classic Land Rover group has lots of enthusiasts in their 20s & 30s 
because they also get used for off road driving/camping/fishing/hunting 
and just about anything else. Whereas most British sports cars that are 
remotely competitive in field meets go to field meets, club runs, and 
not much else. Most people (not including me) have newer fuel injected 
climate controlled, airbag cars for everyday use while their British 
sports car sits in the garage waiting for a special reason to be driven. 
For most people, they are no longer everyday driver cars.

TeriAnn
1960 TR3A
1960 Land Rover
no other cars

On 8/26/19 5:59 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> If you look at prices for things like model As and even MG T series, 
> prices have been stagnant the last 20-30 years or so, Big Healey's 
> have leveled off the last 5 or ten years, it happens.
>
> When I look at most any pre-war car I find it interesting, but not 
> anything I would ever really want to own, I imagine a lot of younger 
> folks, even car people, feel the same way about "our" cars.?? In fact 
> I frequent some car forums with a much younger demographic than here, 
> pretty much anything built when carburators were the norm is 
> considered unsafe, finicky, and slow by a pretty large portion of that 
> group.
>
> Nothing will make you feel old quite like somebody suggesting that 
> re-mapping a fuel injection system Isa piece of cake, while carbs are 
> a deep, dark mystery.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 28 10:22:49 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 16:22:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
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 i have been using an auto fan controller for my TR3.see the link below for the type i have been using.i first used it without a relay and then put in a relay.doesn't seem to matter how i wire them they all seem to last only 2 to 3 years.and its year 3 on my tr3.what are you guys using and how reliable have you found them?being a TR3 im not going to pull the radiator to drill and solder a fitting into the top. ill continue to replace every 2 years rather than pull that darn front clip again.
this is what i have been using:Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit Economy | eBay

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug 28 12:59:17 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 13:59:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
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Frank,

FWIW, I ?rolled my own? using parts from the electronics junk bin.  Heart is a 741 style op amp IC, which drives a power MOSFET, which in turns drives a cheap auto relay.  Probably could have left out the relay, but I used it anyway.  The other key piece turned out to be using a voltage regulator IC to feed the whole thing (except the relay contacts).  Without the VR, the kickback from the fan motor would cause the relay to chatter under some conditions.  (Since the unit was already installed when I figured that out, I just tapped into the VR that also supplies my TR4 temp gauge).

For the sensor, I used an old GM (I think it was) gauge sender, which screws into the opening in the back of the water pump housing where the heater return goes (on cars with heaters).  Although I didn?t try it, I believe you could put a tee piece there and still hook up the heater return if you wanted to.

That?s probably not much help.  If I didn?t want to build one, I?d probably still be using the DeRale electronic controller, with a probe that just pushes into the radiator fins (like the one you linked to).  I ran one on a Stag for almost a year, but converted back to a mechanical fan as the electric pusher seemed to block air flow at freeway speeds.
https://www.amazon.com/Derale-16759-Adjustable-Fan-Controller/dp/B000CN4XZI/ref=pd_cp_263_2

Hayden offers a similar unit as well, which I?ll bet would also be more reliable and longer lived than your ?economy? ebay find.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Aug 28 13:11:58 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 14:11:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW:  auto fan controllers
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I use a controller like this.  lasts for many years.

 

https://www.zoro.com/carling-technologies-toggle-switch-spst-10a-250v-quikconnct-2fa53-73-tabs/i/G3266566/feature-product?gclid=CjwKCAjwzJjrBRBvEiwA867bymi1ci91NdZrzKUKz1nB2WpPaBCI9QU85oYWvQNzadqnP0p7F8kMRRoChjMQAvD_BwE

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:23 AM
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers

 

i have been using an auto fan controller for my TR3.

see the link below for the type i have been using.

i first used it without a relay and then put in a relay.

doesn't seem to matter how i wire them they all seem to last only 2 to 3 years.

and its year 3 on my tr3.

what are you guys using and how reliable have you found them?

being a TR3 im not going to pull the radiator to drill and solder a fitting into the top. ill continue to replace every 2 years rather than pull that darn front clip again.

 

this is what i have been using:

Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit Economy | eBay <https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermostatic-Cool-Temp-Fan-Control-Adjustable-12v-Volt-Car-Radiator-kit-Economy/273823671618?hash=item3fc129a542:g:7ocAAOSw7DBcxCSt> 

 



 







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Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit ...


Adjustable Yes. Mounting Bracket. Built In Display No. Plug n Play Harness No. Accuracy 5 Degree. Sensor Mount F...

 

 

 

 

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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 13:47:45 2019
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 15:47:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
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Happy belated birthday, Jonmac!  As it's a very special year, here's hoping
it's everything you want it to be and just a little bit more!

 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Aug 28 15:26:13 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 17:26:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
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This is the sensor I used.  Seems to work fine.   https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PB9KQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PB9KQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Also using a 3/8ths standard pipe thread (ISTR) T adapter, I screwed it in where the heater valve mounts to the head.  A plus is the temp it kicks on at is measured where the hottest part of the engine (I also STR) is, between number 3 and 4 cylinders.  

> On August 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I use a controller like this.  lasts for many years.
> 
>      
> 
>     https://www.zoro.com/carling-technologies-toggle-switch-spst-10a-250v-quikconnct-2fa53-73-tabs/i/G3266566/feature-product?gclid=CjwKCAjwzJjrBRBvEiwA867bymi1ci91NdZrzKUKz1nB2WpPaBCI9QU85oYWvQNzadqnP0p7F8kMRRoChjMQAvD_BwE
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
>     Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:23 AM
>     To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
> 
>      
> 
>     i have been using an auto fan controller for my TR3.
> 
>     see the link below for the type i have been using.
> 
>     i first used it without a relay and then put in a relay.
> 
>     doesn't seem to matter how i wire them they all seem to last only 2 to 3 years.
> 
>     and its year 3 on my tr3.
> 
>     what are you guys using and how reliable have you found them?
> 
>     being a TR3 im not going to pull the radiator to drill and solder a fitting into the top. ill continue to replace every 2 years rather than pull that darn front clip again.
> 
>      
> 
>     this is what i have been using:
> 
>     Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit Economy | eBay https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermostatic-Cool-Temp-Fan-Control-Adjustable-12v-Volt-Car-Radiator-kit-Economy/273823671618?hash=item3fc129a542:g:7ocAAOSw7DBcxCSt
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
> 
>     [Text Box: $29.22]
> 
> 
>     Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit ...
>     Adjustable Yes. Mounting Bracket. Built In Display No. Plug n Play Harness No. Accuracy 5 Degree. Sensor Mount F...
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     thanks
> 
>     Frank
> 


 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Aug 28 17:33:38 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:33:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
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Different ways to look at it. One of my goals was to have the fan run as little as possible, to try and get by with the stock 19 amp generator. My thought was that I didn't want the fan to run, if airflow through the radiator was already sufficient to keep it cool; even if the water coming out of the engine was "hot".

Dunno if that really makes sense, but I've been pleased with the result. Stopped at a traffic light or similar, the gauge slowly rises until the needle points to just about the '5' in "185". Then the fan comes on, and it drops back to about the '8' (which is just barely above where it sits going down the road).

Only other time the fan runs is sometimes when getting off the freeway, it will run for a few seconds until I get back up to 30-40 mph.
-- Randall

On 28 August 2019 16:26:13 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>This is the sensor I used.  Seems to work fine.  
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PB9KQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PB9KQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
>
>Also using a 3/8ths standard pipe thread (ISTR) T adapter, I screwed it
>in where the heater valve mounts to the head.  A plus is the temp it
>kicks on at is measured where the hottest part of the engine (I also
>STR) is, between number 3 and 4 cylinders.  
>
>> On August 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>     I use a controller like this.  lasts for many years.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>    
>https://www.zoro.com/carling-technologies-toggle-switch-spst-10a-250v-quikconnct-2fa53-73-tabs/i/G3266566/feature-product?gclid=CjwKCAjwzJjrBRBvEiwA867bymi1ci91NdZrzKUKz1nB2WpPaBCI9QU85oYWvQNzadqnP0p7F8kMRRoChjMQAvD_BwE
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
>Frank Fisher
>>     Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:23 AM
>>     To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
>>     Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     i have been using an auto fan controller for my TR3.
>> 
>>     see the link below for the type i have been using.
>> 
>>     i first used it without a relay and then put in a relay.
>> 
>>     doesn't seem to matter how i wire them they all seem to last only
>2 to 3 years.
>> 
>>     and its year 3 on my tr3.
>> 
>>     what are you guys using and how reliable have you found them?
>> 
>>     being a TR3 im not going to pull the radiator to drill and solder
>a fitting into the top. ill continue to replace every 2 years rather
>than pull that darn front clip again.
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     this is what i have been using:
>> 
>>     Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car
>Radiator kit Economy | eBay
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thermostatic-Cool-Temp-Fan-Control-Adjustable-12v-Volt-Car-Radiator-kit-Economy/273823671618?hash=item3fc129a542:g:7ocAAOSw7DBcxCSt
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>      
>> 
>> 
>>     [Text Box: $29.22]
>> 
>> 
>>     Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car
>Radiator kit ...
>>     Adjustable Yes. Mounting Bracket. Built In Display No. Plug n
>Play Harness No. Accuracy 5 Degree. Sensor Mount F...
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>      
>> 
>>     thanks
>> 
>>     Frank
>> 
>
>
> 
>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 28 18:05:37 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 00:05:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
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 my desire was to have the fan come on automatically, even though im using an alternator.
as you know Randall i live in the desert here in so cal and our worse days can get up to around 110.
if controlled by a manual switch on the dash my concern is that a moment of forgetfulness will lead to a very quick disaster.
pulling up that long long the hill from escondido to temecula puts quite the strain on the cooling system. especially when traffic is heavy and not so fast. i find that i need the 14" fan full blast and air moving through the radiator by normal means, and on occasion i have run the heater inside to keep things in line.



    On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 04:35:29 PM PDT, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:  
 
 Different ways to look at it. One of my goals was to have the fan run as little as possible, to try and get by with the stock 19 amp generator. My thought was that I didn't want the fan to run, if airflow through the radiator was already sufficient to keep it cool; even if the water coming out of the engine was "hot".

Dunno if that really makes sense, but I've been pleased with the result. Stopped at a traffic light or similar, the gauge slowly rises until the needle points to just about the '5' in "185". Then the fan comes on, and it drops back to about the '8' (which is just barely above where it sits going down the road).

Only other time the fan runs is sometimes when getting off the freeway, it will run for a few seconds until I get back up to 30-40 mph.
-- Randall

On 28 August 2019 16:26:13 GMT-05:00, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

This is the sensor I used.? Seems to work fine.? ?https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003PB9KQG/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1




Also using a 3/8ths standard pipe thread (ISTR) T adapter, I screwed it in where the heater valve mounts to the head.? A plus is the temp it kicks on at is measured where the hottest part of the engine (I also STR) is, between number 3 and 4 cylinders.??

On August 28, 2019 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote: 
 

I use a controller like this.? lasts for many years.

?

https://www.zoro.com/carling-technologies-toggle-switch-spst-10a-250v-quikconnct-2fa53-73-tabs/i/G3266566/feature-product?gclid=CjwKCAjwzJjrBRBvEiwA867bymi1ci91NdZrzKUKz1nB2WpPaBCI9QU85oYWvQNzadqnP0p7F8kMRRoChjMQAvD_BwE

?

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2019 11:23 AM
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers

?

i have been using an auto fan controller for my TR3. 

see the link below for the type i have been using. 

i first used it without a relay and then put in a relay. 

doesn't seem to matter how i wire them they all seem to last only 2 to 3 years. 

and its year 3 on my tr3. 

what are you guys using and how reliable have you found them? 

being a TR3 im not going to pull the radiator to drill and solder a fitting into the top. ill continue to replace every 2 years rather than pull that darn front clip again. 

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this is what i have been using: 

Thermostatic Cool Temp Fan Control Adjustable 12v Volt Car Radiator kit Economy | eBay 

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thanks 

Frank 



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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Aug 28 18:52:36 2019
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 20:52:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2019 at 8:05 PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> if controlled by a manual switch on the dash my concern is that a moment
> of forgetfulness will lead to a very quick disaster.
>
>
Using a pair of regular Bosch relays, you could use a momentary switch or
button to latch the fan relay on as long as the ignition was on.  When you
shut the car off, it would reset the system. It would take a second switch
(or button) to turn the fan off if you wanted to do that.  You'd look like
you were driving 007's Aston Martin, though, with all the buttons, so
there's a plus.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Aug 29 03:19:41 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 10:19:41 +0100
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
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Thank you, Chuck. Ten years ago, the same day was in Omaha with Bill Dentinger with the better part of 65 chocolate cupcakes and lots of Triumphs. This year was with a millionaire friend from childhood who generously put his entire classic car collection at my disposal to drive and enjoy for the day. Hence I got behind the wheels of a Rolls Royce 20/25, a replica Jaguar SS100, an adorable 1947 MG TC just out of a five year rebuild, a Jaguar XK120 Roadster, an Aston Martin DB5 and finally a Triumph 2000 ex works rally car. Certainly the fastest Triumph I have ever driven. It was a gloriously sunny day, the countryside near my home never looked better and at the end of it all, what better meal than British fish and chips wrapped in newspaper and eaten in the back seat of the Royce!!! I was finally dragged home kicking and screaming after a heavenly time playing with another person?s toys!

Cheers all
Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 28 Aug 2019, at 20:47, Chuck White <triumph.driver at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy belated birthday, Jonmac!  As it?s a very special year, here?s hoping it?s everything you want it to be and just a little bit more!
>  
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>  
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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Aug 29 07:09:54 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 08:09:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <962009CA-9103-44CE-9EBC-C2CA981AEBB6@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <006301d55dd9$76d6c250$648446f0$@gmail.com>
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Dear John,
What a glorious present from your friend.  Many happy returns of the day!
Bill

On Aug 29, 2019, at 4:19 AM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:

Thank you, Chuck. Ten years ago, the same day was in Omaha with Bill Dentinger with the better part of 65 chocolate cupcakes and lots of Triumphs. This year was with a millionaire friend from childhood who generously put his entire classic car collection at my disposal to drive and enjoy for the day. Hence I got behind the wheels of a Rolls Royce 20/25, a replica Jaguar SS100, an adorable 1947 MG TC just out of a five year rebuild, a Jaguar XK120 Roadster, an Aston Martin DB5 and finally a Triumph 2000 ex works rally car. Certainly the fastest Triumph I have ever driven. It was a gloriously sunny day, the countryside near my home never looked better and at the end of it all, what better meal than British fish and chips wrapped in newspaper and eaten in the back seat of the Royce!!! I was finally dragged home kicking and screaming after a heavenly time playing with another person?s toys!

Cheers all
Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 28 Aug 2019, at 20:47, Chuck White <triumph.driver at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Happy belated birthday, Jonmac!  As it?s a very special year, here?s hoping it?s everything you want it to be and just a little bit more!
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Chuck White
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From Arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Thu Aug 29 12:14:17 2019
From: Arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:14:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
Message-ID: <CO2PR05MB2423800893D1BB796E730FDAA9A20@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Why not use a Hayden controller, Moss #231-690?
M:\Product Information\231-690\Instructions\231-690_INST.pdf
Not trying to push, but it has sensors that mount to the radiator, comes on at 185 degrees off at 170.

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 29 12:52:30 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:52:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] auto fan controllers
In-Reply-To: <CO2PR05MB2423800893D1BB796E730FDAA9A20@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO2PR05MB2423800893D1BB796E730FDAA9A20@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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 peteri cant get your link to work and the moss search engine is not coming up with 231-690
if it requires drilling the radiator for a tap, im really not into that.im fitting to a tr3 and im not going to take the front clip off again for the 4th time.
Frank
    On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 11:14:43 AM PDT, Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:  
 
  
Why not use a Hayden controller, Moss #231-690?
 
M:\Product Information\231-690\Instructions\231-690_INST.pdf
 
Not trying to push, but it has sensors that mount to the radiator, comes on at 185 degrees off at 170.
 
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Peter Arakelian
 
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 29 13:57:57 2019
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 12:57:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] Speedometer Calibration
Message-ID: <C07B6C32-17FF-4DDE-8C9F-BD85BDAC8695@comcast.net>

My disfunctional  memory (including spelling) cannot remember  the SpeedO repair, and calibration guy?s Name. 

I think it started with M ? maybe that was Last name, but I do remember he was the ?go to? guy for really good work.

any help appreciated ?

Bill Pugh
Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars




From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Aug 29 14:02:58 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 20:02:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Speedometer Calibration
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 Would that be MoMa in Albuquerque?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: William Pugh <anabil007 at comcast.net>
To: TR3/6 <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Aug 29, 2019 2:58 pm
Subject: [TR] Speedometer Calibration

My disfunctional? memory (including spelling) cannot remember? the SpeedO repair, and calibration guy?s Name. 

I think it started with M ? maybe that was Last name, but I do remember he was the ?go to? guy for really good work.

any help appreciated ?

Bill Pugh
Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars



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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Aug 29 14:19:29 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:19:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Speedometer Calibration
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Are you thinking of Morris Mintz at West Valley Instruments in Reseda, CA ((818) 758-9500)?   
NFI,
Bill B

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Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 2:58 PM
To: TR3/6 <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Speedometer Calibration

My disfunctional  memory (including spelling) cannot remember  the SpeedO repair, and calibration guy?s Name. 

I think it started with M ? maybe that was Last name, but I do remember he was the ?go to? guy for really good work.

any help appreciated ?

Bill Pugh
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Aug 29 15:20:56 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 17:20:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Lucas PI
Message-ID: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>

Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 29 16:44:59 2019
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:44:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
Message-ID: <24845d5b-204b-130c-32f0-2491b9d4d57b@earthlink.net>

Is there a way to get gas out of a fuel tank float?? Picture should be 
attached.? I can't see any cracks.? I tried to squeeze for float, but it 
is firm.? Car is a 1973 GT6 Mk III.

Took a look because the car will run out of gas while the gauge still 
shows 1/4 tank.? I would have expected the fuel gauge to behave the 
opposite with gas in the float, so maybe I have several things going on.

Thanks,

Brian
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Aug 29 16:49:31 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 23:49:31 +0100
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
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Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance spec. Doubt you?ll find too many in the US with experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If you?re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put everything you?ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very unique rules. That said, it?s a great setup but you need to know what you?re doing before you start:)

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
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From staffel at comcast.net  Thu Aug 29 16:49:41 2019
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 18:49:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] Elec Fan & Thermostatic Control
Message-ID: <mailman.64.1567118984.2434.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Reading these posts on z fan Controller, it seems to me too many? depending on the 'Undependable Age of Crap Electronics'. Forget all that.Randall's got it nailed, as I did way back in 1998. I added the biggest Hayden fan that still fit the TR4 radiator. Believe TR3 similar size.12" circular fan.Used standard adjustable Hayden temperature control switch with standard probe-Jensen Interceptor simple circuitry.? Inserted probe gently between fins, upper left corner radistorAlways works. Now 20 years since installation.??No electronic crap on my TR4. Functional electric cooling mod? is practical but? no need to exacerbate complexity.Sherman D Taffel, PhDColumbia MD & Goldvein VA?TR4, 4 Jags (3 V12s-72-96), 5 Jensens (2 Interceptors & 3GTs).13 Americans ('36-'15)Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 29 17:14:01 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 23:14:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Elec Fan & Thermostatic Control
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 im thinking of going this way.depends on if i can get my hand around the front of the radiator.



    On Thursday, August 29, 2019, 03:50:46 PM PDT, staffel <staffel at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Reading these posts on z fan Controller, it seems to me too many? depending on the 'Undependable Age of Crap Electronics'. Forget all that.
Randall's got it nailed, as I did way back in 1998. I added the biggest Hayden fan that still fit the TR4 radiator. Believe TR3 similar size.12" circular fan.
Used standard adjustable Hayden temperature control switch with standard probe-Jensen Interceptor simple circuitry.? Inserted probe gently between fins, upper left corner radistorAlways works. Now 20 years since installation.??
No electronic crap on my TR4. Functional electric cooling mod? is practical but? no need to exacerbate complexity.
Sherman D Taffel, PhDColumbia MD & Goldvein VA?TR4, 4 Jags (3 V12s-72-96), 5 Jensens (2 Interceptors & 3GTs).13 Americans ('36-'15)


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Aug 29 18:59:50 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 19:59:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
In-Reply-To: <24845d5b-204b-130c-32f0-2491b9d4d57b@earthlink.net>
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If you immerse it in a pan of hot water, the leak should show as a stream of bubbles. Continuing to gently heat it should eventually drive off the liquid fuel. Let it cool (and suck air) before trying to seal the leak.

I don't have my notes handy, but ISTR someone saying there is a Ford part that will work. Older car, might possibly have been a Mustang II (but probably not).
-- Randall

On 29 August 2019 17:44:59 GMT-05:00, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>Is there a way to get gas out of a fuel tank float?? Picture should be 
>attached.? I can't see any cracks.? I tried to squeeze for float, but
>it 
>is firm.? Car is a 1973 GT6 Mk III.
>
>Took a look because the car will run out of gas while the gauge still 
>shows 1/4 tank.? I would have expected the fuel gauge to behave the 
>opposite with gas in the float, so maybe I have several things going
>on.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Brian
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Thu Aug 29 19:58:14 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 21:58:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
In-Reply-To: <02314A0C-B552-4097-8281-FF4D8650CB8F@ca.rr.com>
References: <24845d5b-204b-130c-32f0-2491b9d4d57b@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <21296150-c670-e39e-91b3-d29288a85be3@verizon.net>

you can still buy those floats new.... several cars.. spit/MG/Jags.... 
actually I believe it's JAG that supplies a brass version....or is that 
the Mustang??

ptegler

On 8/29/2019 8:59 PM, Randall wrote:
> If you immerse it in a pan of hot water, the leak should show as a 
> stream of bubbles. Continuing to gently heat it should eventually 
> drive off the liquid fuel. Let it cool (and suck air) before trying to 
> seal the leak.
>
> I don't have my notes handy, but ISTR someone saying there is a Ford 
> part that will work. Older car, might possibly have been a Mustang II 
> (but probably not).
> -- Randall
>
> On 29 August 2019 17:44:59 GMT-05:00, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> 
> wrote:
>
>     Is there a way to get gas out of a fuel tank float??? Picture should be
>     attached.?? I can't see any cracks.?? I tried to squeeze for float, but it
>     is firm.?? Car is a 1973 GT6 Mk III.
>
>     Took a look because the car will run out of gas while the gauge still
>     shows 1/4 tank.?? I would have expected the fuel gauge to behave the
>     opposite with gas in the float, so maybe I have several things going on.
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Brian
>
>
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 29 21:12:34 2019
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 20:12:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
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Paul, Randall - I've been looking.? I found pictures of the Omix-ADA 
Fuel Level Float Part # 17729.01 for Jeeps.? It may work, but I can't 
seem to find any stores in the region that stock it.? May just need to 
order one to try it.? I saw the brass one for the Mustang (FM-EF005B or 
C0AZ-9202B), but also saw a comment that the groove was too big for use 
on a Spitfire.? Looks like Ford uses a thicker wire.? May try and take 
the sender to a Ford dealer parts department and see if they have it and 
it fits.

I've checked TRF, Moss, and Spitbits and can't find the float.? I also 
looked at my GT6 parts catalog and don't see a part number for the float.

Brian

On 8/29/2019 6:58 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> you can still buy those floats new.... several cars.. spit/MG/Jags.... 
> actually I believe it's JAG that supplies a brass version....or is 
> that the Mustang??
>
> ptegler
>
> On 8/29/2019 8:59 PM, Randall wrote:
>> If you immerse it in a pan of hot water, the leak should show as a 
>> stream of bubbles. Continuing to gently heat it should eventually 
>> drive off the liquid fuel. Let it cool (and suck air) before trying 
>> to seal the leak.
>>
>> I don't have my notes handy, but ISTR someone saying there is a Ford 
>> part that will work. Older car, might possibly have been a Mustang II 
>> (but probably not).
>> -- Randall
>>
>> On 29 August 2019 17:44:59 GMT-05:00, Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>     Is there a way to get gas out of a fuel tank float??? Picture should be
>>     attached.?? I can't see any cracks.?? I tried to squeeze for float, but it
>>     is firm.?? Car is a 1973 GT6 Mk III.
>>
>>     Took a look because the car will run out of gas while the gauge still
>>     shows 1/4 tank.?? I would have expected the fuel gauge to behave the
>>     opposite with gas in the float, so maybe I have several things going on.
>>
>>     Thanks,
>>
>>     Brian
>>
>>
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Aug 30 04:10:49 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 06:10:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
Message-ID: <533D7682-6058-4596-AF10-CA9DD9086F56@comcast.net>

I agree with Randall's approach.  The goal is to avoid "overheating", not to keep the temp "normal". 

So it does a OK to let it run as high as possible subject to the limit that it  never runs into the "red" zone.   And then it should run only long enough to bring the temp down a bit.  

As Randall said, the fan will suck lots of power and it is good to minimize its appetite.  

My daily driver has an electric coolant pump.  Not something that I am particularly thrilled about since it can and does fail....  but the controller appears to be "smart".  I noticed that when I step hard on the throttle, the coolant temperature goes DOWN briefly.  The controller seems to anticipate extra thermal load and increases the flow rate.   I certainly hope the thermostat isn't "smart" too but I suppose that with a sufficiently smart pump then a thermostat isn't even necessary!!!!!   I don't know for sure if that engine HAS a thermostat.  

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Aug 29, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2019 18:33:38 -0500
> From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>,triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] FW: auto fan controllers
> Message-ID: <E483A91D-6A80-4FCA-94FD-90C94A4937A0 at ca.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Different ways to look at it. One of my goals was to have the fan run as little as possible, to try and get by with the stock 19 amp generator. My thought was that I didn't want the fan to run, if airflow through the radiator was already sufficient to keep it cool; even if the water coming out of the engine was "hot".
> 
> Dunno if that really makes sense, but I've been pleased with the result. Stopped at a traffic light or similar, the gauge slowly rises until the needle points to just about the '5' in "185". Then the fan comes on, and it drops back to about the '8' (which is just barely above where it sits going down the road).
> 
> Only other time the fan runs is sometimes when getting off the freeway, it will run for a few seconds until I get back up to 30-40 mph.
> -- Randall


From Arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Fri Aug 30 12:23:59 2019
From: Arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 18:23:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
Message-ID: <CO2PR05MB2423E6DB5E4A920DCE417680A9BD0@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Again, not trying to push, but if you cannot find it anywhere, Moss stocks the brass replacement under 360-646.

Peter


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 30 14:37:01 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 20:37:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Gas in fuel tank float
In-Reply-To: <CO2PR05MB2423E6DB5E4A920DCE417680A9BD0@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO2PR05MB2423E6DB5E4A920DCE417680A9BD0@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <181880931.301202.1567197421073@mail.yahoo.com>

 peteri for one have no problem of you guiding us through the moss catalog.its a pretty extensive catalog and often difficult to navigate for those not that great with the interwebdont stop
frank

    On Friday, August 30, 2019, 11:24:24 AM PDT, Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com> wrote:  
 
  
Again, not trying to push, but if you cannot find it anywhere, Moss stocks the brass replacement under 360-646.
 
 ?
 
Peter
 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Aug 31 09:51:43 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:51:43 +0100
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
In-Reply-To: <001c01d55f41$441ad5e0$cc5081a0$@uprichard.net>
References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>
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If all you want is an injected TR performance, I?d do this. Buy a us spec car.

TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you?re there. Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn?t go to the US but we?re the best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he?s a Triumph performance specialist. Goes without saying you?ll need anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You?ll then have a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s that find their way back here. Good luck

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jonmac:  I don?t have the car yet ? and in fact am still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.  I?ll keep you posted !
> 
> Andrew
>  
> From: John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
> To: Andrew Uprichard
> Cc: Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI
>  
> Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance spec. Doubt you?ll find too many in the US with experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If you?re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put everything you?ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very unique rules. That said, it?s a great setup but you need to know what you?re doing before you start:)
>  
> Jonmac
> 
> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
> 
> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 10:51:31 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 12:51:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
In-Reply-To: <3D0DBD17-DEBD-439D-8094-10714FAAE165@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>
 <1C5BD9B2-40D9-4E47-B09C-26949D2519DC@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <001c01d55f41$441ad5e0$cc5081a0$@uprichard.net>
 <3D0DBD17-DEBD-439D-8094-10714FAAE165@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <13efc10d-a303-63e2-eff7-c874f574d600@verizon.net>

Granted it's not the 2.5L, (a GT6 2L) but I (and a couple others here as 
well) have F.I. triumph 6 cyls than run great!
Even with a trailer in tow,?? 31-35 mpg, is my norm ...with my normal 
heavy footed driving style. (hard not to have fun).
No,,,not Lucas PI (on mine) but power numbers are well above anything 
Triumph ever spec'ed.

ptegler (owner/builder of FIS6)


On 8/31/2019 11:51 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> If all you want is an injected TR performance, I???d do this. Buy a us 
> spec car.
>
> TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the 
> original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a 
> Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor 
> exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you???re there. Ideally, 
> if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for 
> a 215019 head. These didn???t go to the US but we???re the best heads of 
> the lot. Chris will confirm this and he???s a Triumph performance 
> specialist. Goes without saying you???ll need anoverdrive. J type is ok 
> but A type better imho. You???ll then have a car that is the injected 
> versions performance equal in every way. These things are what we do 
> in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s that find their way back here. 
> Good luck
>
> Jonmac
>
> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>
> On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net 
> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jonmac:?? I don???t have the car yet ??? and in fact am still 
>> going back-and-forth about whether to buy it. I???ll keep you posted !
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> *From:*John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
>> *To:* Andrew Uprichard
>> *Cc:* Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Lucas PI
>>
>> Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course 
>> and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance 
>> spec. Doubt you???ll find too many in the US with experience of the 
>> system. PI cars were never sold in North America in the day, though a 
>> very small number have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If 
>> you???re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put everything you???ve 
>> learned about carbed cars entirely to one side. The Lucas system is a 
>> whole different ball game with very unique rules. That said, it???s a 
>> great setup but you need to know what you???re doing before you start:)
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>
>>
>> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack 
>> <6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>
>>     Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?
>>
>>     Andrew Uprichard
>>
>>     Jackson, Michigan
>>
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Aug 31 12:38:42 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:38:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
In-Reply-To: <3D0DBD17-DEBD-439D-8094-10714FAAE165@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>
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Great information John. Succinct and to the point. Worth filing away in case I ever have to redo the engine in Chris? TR6.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> 
Sent: August 31, 2019 11:52 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI

 

If all you want is an injected TR performance, I?d do this. Buy a us spec car.

 

TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you?re there. Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn?t go to the US but we?re the best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he?s a Triumph performance specialist. Goes without saying you?ll need anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You?ll then have a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s that find their way back here. Good luck

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote:

Thanks, Jonmac:  I don?t have the car yet ? and in fact am still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.  I?ll keep you posted !

Andrew

 

From: John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk] 
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard
Cc: Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [6pack] Lucas PI

 

Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police performance spec. Doubt you?ll find too many in the US with experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A word of advice. If you?re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, put everything you?ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very unique rules. That said, it?s a great setup but you need to know what you?re doing before you start:)

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net> > wrote:

Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Aug 31 13:28:33 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:28:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] Aha!
Message-ID: <00aa01d56032$47de9b20$d79bd160$@uprichard.net>

For years I have wondered what the little tab on the front crossmember was
for on the sidescreen cars.  This is the flat tab between the 2 angled tabs
which secure the crank guide rods.  Well, look what I just found on the
nosecone of my TR2!

Andrew Uprichard

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From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:29:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] Aha!
Message-ID: <00b001d56032$74ea96a0$5ebfc3e0$@uprichard.net>

For years I have wondered what the little tab on the front crossmember was
for on the sidescreen cars.  This is the flat tab between the 2 angled tabs
which secure the crank guide rods.  Well, look what I just found on the
nosecone of my TR2!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From jdemuth at mac.com  Sat Aug 31 13:30:57 2019
From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:30:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6
Message-ID: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>

I currently have duel carbs but want to fit triples. I know I will need a new input manifold, no problem, but I am puzzled by what the accelerator linkage will like. That middle carb will be occupying the same space as the current linkage and will need to be modified, or replaced with something different.

Has anybody done this, and if so could you send a picture of the linkage?  Thanks.

Sent from my couch

From elliottr at rmi.net  Sat Aug 31 13:31:34 2019
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:31:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
In-Reply-To: <13efc10d-a303-63e2-eff7-c874f574d600@verizon.net>
References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>
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Message-ID: <ea5f367f-a4d1-3eac-f260-0b01af6004e8@rmi.net>

Paul, Did you do the megasquirt F.I. ?

Roger

On 8/31/19 11:51 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> Granted it's not the 2.5L, (a GT6 2L) but I (and a couple others here 
> as well) have F.I. triumph 6 cyls than run great!
> Even with a trailer in tow,?? 31-35 mpg, is my norm ...with my normal 
> heavy footed driving style. (hard not to have fun).
> No,,,not Lucas PI (on mine) but power numbers are well above anything 
> Triumph ever spec'ed.
>
> ptegler (owner/builder of FIS6)
>
>
> On 8/31/2019 11:51 AM, John Macartney wrote:
>> If all you want is an injected TR performance, I???d do this. Buy a 
>> us spec car.
>>
>> TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the 
>> original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a 
>> Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor 
>> exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you???re there. 
>> Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in the 
>> U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn???t go to the US but we???re the 
>> best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he???s a Triumph 
>> performance specialist. Goes without saying you???ll need 
>> anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You???ll then have 
>> a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. 
>> These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s 
>> that find their way back here. Good luck
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net 
>> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Jonmac:?? I don???t have the car yet ??? and in fact am 
>>> still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.?? I???ll keep 
>>> you posted !
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> *From:*John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk]
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
>>> *To:* Andrew Uprichard
>>> *Cc:* Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Lucas PI
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course 
>>> and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police 
>>> performance spec. Doubt you???ll find too many in the US with 
>>> experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America 
>>> in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A 
>>> word of advice. If you???re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, 
>>> put everything you???ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one 
>>> side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very 
>>> unique rules. That said, it???s a great setup but you need to know 
>>> what you???re doing before you start:)
>>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> Jonmac
>>>
>>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack 
>>> <6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI system?
>>>
>>>     ??
>>>
>>>     Andrew Uprichard
>>>
>>>     Jackson, Michigan
>>>
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>>>     Support Team.Net <http://Team.Net> http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Sat Aug 31 14:33:53 2019
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:33:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
References: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6D101460-427E-4BA2-81E0-F97303BC1AB1@mac.com>


Some pictures here (not my car or site):

http://www.74tr6.com/triplecarbinstall.htm

> On Aug 31, 2019, at 12:30 PM, Joe DeMuth <jdemuth at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> I currently have duel carbs but want to fit triples. I know I will need a new input manifold, no problem, but I am puzzled by what the accelerator linkage will like. That middle carb will be occupying the same space as the current linkage and will need to be modified, or replaced with something different.
> 
> Has anybody done this, and if so could you send a picture of the linkage?  Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my couch
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat Aug 31 14:44:12 2019
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:44:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
References: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR05MB66929E359283CAF286E83F10FEBC0@BN8PR05MB6692.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I think my setup is typical for a LHD car. The standard TR6 accelerator shaft and lever is connected via a rod to a bell crank that is attached under the manifold in the middle. The vertical rod from that bell crank is arrowed in the attached picture and the rest should be self explanatory.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Joe DeMuth
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 3:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6

I currently have duel carbs but want to fit triples. I know I will need a new input manifold, no problem, but I am puzzled by what the accelerator linkage will like. That middle carb will be occupying the same space as the current linkage and will need to be modified, or replaced with something different.

Has anybody done this, and if so could you send a picture of the linkage?  Thanks.

Sent from my couch
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 14:50:41 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:50:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
References: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBewzMLpQLCJigAwa8EAPYqypo5z9D83+dCurJagjO5+w@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the triple-Weber setup on a friends TR250.  He has a pair, both
configured like this, and is a huge promoter of Webers on TRs.  Send me pm
if you'd like to know more details.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N4TJstV/0/6e0f4bbe/O/i-N4TJstV.jpg

Don
1962 TR3B

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 3:45 PM Joe DeMuth <jdemuth at mac.com> wrote:

> I currently have duel carbs but want to fit triples. I know I will need a
> new input manifold, no problem, but I am puzzled by what the accelerator
> linkage will like. That middle carb will be occupying the same space as the
> current linkage and will need to be modified, or replaced with something
> different.
>
> Has anybody done this, and if so could you send a picture of the linkage?
> Thanks.
>
> Sent from my couch
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From jdemuth at mac.com  Sat Aug 31 15:51:45 2019
From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:51:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triple Webers
Message-ID: <EC28ED1B-C714-4D07-93C6-1344DEEA24F8@mac.com>

I should have mentioned that I am using down drought Webers, not side. That may make a difference.

Sent from my couch

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Aug 31 16:10:12 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:10:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBewzMLpQLCJigAwa8EAPYqypo5z9D83+dCurJagjO5+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <224B6B4D-79AC-4DD0-8329-825CAF504BB5@mac.com>
 <CAPK7CFBewzMLpQLCJigAwa8EAPYqypo5z9D83+dCurJagjO5+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ee01d56048$dd9b9350$98d2b9f0$@uprichard.net>

Cable-operated set-up ? see the blue cable coming up through the firewall.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 4:51 PM
To: Joe DeMuth
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Triple Weber Carbs on a TR6

 

Here's the triple-Weber setup on a friends TR250.  He has a pair, both configured like this, and is a huge promoter of Webers on TRs.  Send me pm if you'd like to know more details.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-N4TJstV/0/6e0f4bbe/O/i-N4TJstV.jpg

 

Don

1962 TR3B

 

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 3:45 PM Joe DeMuth <jdemuth at mac.com> wrote:

I currently have duel carbs but want to fit triples. I know I will need a new input manifold, no problem, but I am puzzled by what the accelerator linkage will like. That middle carb will be occupying the same space as the current linkage and will need to be modified, or replaced with something different.

Has anybody done this, and if so could you send a picture of the linkage?  Thanks.

Sent from my couch
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From jdemuth at mac.com  Sat Aug 31 16:48:01 2019
From: jdemuth at mac.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:48:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triple carbs
Message-ID: <4D117E66-227B-409B-BBDA-10ACA16CA07B@mac.com>

Gads, draft not drought. Darn spell check, gets me every time.

Sent from my couch

From timipurdy at citlink.net  Sat Aug 31 17:33:06 2019
From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:33:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 Air Filters
Message-ID: <B56885AD-5C21-496A-854B-1504F114CE8C@citlink.net>

I recently tried to buy air filters for my 1964 TR4 Triumph from Moss Motors. They no longer carry them. Seeking some guidance for another outlet.

Thanks,

Tim Purdy
Visit tipurdy.org 




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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Aug 31 18:18:03 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:18:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] Triple Webers
In-Reply-To: <EC28ED1B-C714-4D07-93C6-1344DEEA24F8@mac.com>
References: <EC28ED1B-C714-4D07-93C6-1344DEEA24F8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <66c3b1d1-8cc1-5939-dab4-a08591896431@bradakis.com>

On 8/31/19 3:51 PM, Joe DeMuth wrote:
> I should have mentioned that I am using down drought Webers, not side. That may make a difference.
>

Why?? What do you hope to gain by adding a more circuitous route to the 
head from the carbs?

And "drought" is the way is is spelled in England, and it is pronounced 
like draft.

mjb.



From alansalvy at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 19:40:08 2019
From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:40:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Air Filters
In-Reply-To: <B56885AD-5C21-496A-854B-1504F114CE8C@citlink.net>
References: <B56885AD-5C21-496A-854B-1504F114CE8C@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAAAEehSavmxrhWVWcho0Aaz_VM9qzP41XGeAT2D0bwzxud7uWw@mail.gmail.com>

Victoria British still has them.

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 7:35 PM Tim Purdy <timipurdy at citlink.net> wrote:

> I recently tried to buy air filters for my 1964 TR4 Triumph from Moss
> Motors. They no longer carry them. Seeking some guidance for another outlet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Purdy
> Visit tipurdy.org
>
>
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 20:45:20 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 22:45:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Lucas PI
In-Reply-To: <ea5f367f-a4d1-3eac-f260-0b01af6004e8@rmi.net>
References: <00ca01d55eaf$a6643350$f32c99f0$@uprichard.net>
 <1C5BD9B2-40D9-4E47-B09C-26949D2519DC@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <001c01d55f41$441ad5e0$cc5081a0$@uprichard.net>
 <3D0DBD17-DEBD-439D-8094-10714FAAE165@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <13efc10d-a303-63e2-eff7-c874f574d600@verizon.net>
 <ea5f367f-a4d1-3eac-f260-0b01af6004e8@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <8470a0ff-1d7c-455d-3075-3b5c79753178@verizon.net>

MSII-Extra?? ... two LBC's converted now

ptegler

On 8/31/2019 3:31 PM, Roger Elliott wrote:

> Paul, Did you do the megasquirt F.I. ?
>
> Roger
>
> On 8/31/19 11:51 AM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>>
>> Granted it's not the 2.5L, (a GT6 2L) but I (and a couple others here 
>> as well) have F.I. triumph 6 cyls than run great!
>> Even with a trailer in tow,?? 31-35 mpg, is my norm ...with my normal 
>> heavy footed driving style. (hard not to have fun).
>> No,,,not Lucas PI (on mine) but power numbers are well above anything 
>> Triumph ever spec'ed.
>>
>> ptegler (owner/builder of FIS6)
>>
>>
>> On 8/31/2019 11:51 AM, John Macartney wrote:
>>> If all you want is an injected TR performance, I???d do this. Buy a 
>>> us spec car.
>>>
>>> TR5 camshaft, still available in U.K. and a bit better too than the 
>>> original. Shave the head to at least 9.5:1, fit flat top pistons, a 
>>> Lucas D25 or 26 dizzy, the equivalent of the SAH 6-3-1 extractor 
>>> exhaust manifold, two 1.75 SU carbs and bingo, you???re there. 
>>> Ideally, if the donor car is a late model 6, email Chris Witor in 
>>> the U.K. for a 215019 head. These didn???t go to the US but we???re 
>>> the best heads of the lot. Chris will confirm this and he???s a 
>>> Triumph performance specialist. Goes without saying you???ll need 
>>> anoverdrive. J type is ok but A type better imho. You???ll then have 
>>> a car that is the injected versions performance equal in every way. 
>>> These things are what we do in the U.K. to all 250s and carbed 6s 
>>> that find their way back here. Good luck
>>>
>>> Jonmac
>>>
>>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is 
>>> better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2019, at 15:43, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net 
>>> <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jonmac:?? I don???t have the car yet ??? and in fact am 
>>>> still going back-and-forth about whether to buy it.?? I???ll keep 
>>>> you posted !
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> *From:*John Macartney [mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk]
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 29, 2019 6:50 PM
>>>> *To:* Andrew Uprichard
>>>> *Cc:* Triumphs; 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [6pack] Lucas PI
>>>>
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> Can I help? Did the Lucas Service course, thefactory service course 
>>>> and owned a saloon with the pi engine to full U.K. police 
>>>> performance spec. Doubt you???ll find too many in the US with 
>>>> experience of the system. PI cars were never sold in North America 
>>>> in the day, though a very small number have snuck in since then. A 
>>>> word of advice. If you???re tempted to fiddle with the PI system, 
>>>> put everything you???ve learned about carbed cars entirely to one 
>>>> side. The Lucas system is a whole different ball game with very 
>>>> unique rules. That said, it???s a great setup but you need to know 
>>>> what you???re doing before you start:)
>>>>
>>>> ??
>>>>
>>>> Jonmac
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it 
>>>> is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 Aug 2019, at 22:20, Andrew Uprichard via 6pack 
>>>> <6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Who is the go-to guy in the US for questions on the Lucas PI
>>>>     system?
>>>>
>>>>     ??
>>>>
>>>>     Andrew Uprichard
>>>>
>>>>     Jackson, Michigan
>>>>
>>>>     _______________________________________________
>>>>     Support Team.Net <http://Team.Net> http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 23:10:28 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2019 00:10:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Air Filters
In-Reply-To: <B56885AD-5C21-496A-854B-1504F114CE8C@citlink.net>
References: <B56885AD-5C21-496A-854B-1504F114CE8C@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aatFdjbowSg=Q9om9F0Wtn+gv91e9N6UcbN0jnwdQqK3Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you are going for function, not originality, the TR4A "all in one"
filter works well and they are pretty cheap.  I run them on my TR250, my
brother uses them on his modified TR7.

https://www.bpnorthwest.com/air-filter-oval-tr4-tr4a.html

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 6:35 PM Tim Purdy <timipurdy at citlink.net> wrote:

> I recently tried to buy air filters for my 1964 TR4 Triumph from Moss
> Motors. They no longer carry them. Seeking some guidance for another outlet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim Purdy
> Visit tipurdy.org
>
>
>
>
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