[TR] Ball joint fitment

Matt mbarre at juno.com
Fri Jul 14 08:23:44 MDT 2017


Excellent observation Doctor, Doctor!(minor take-off on the current Captain Morgan campaign) If there was a curriculum, given the restorations you have completed, I suspect you would qualify for a Doctor of Triumph! I would imagine this list has a very high concentration of TRiumph Masters. I am privileged to participate and Thank Mark and all of you for your contributions.Now get out there and enjoy the weekend and hopefully drive your cars. Matt

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From: "Andrew Uprichard" <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7 at gmail.com>, "'New England Triumphs'" <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>, "'TR3 Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Ball joint fitment
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:08:31 -0400


Hey, Dave:
 
I started life as a physician.  But not just an MD, but an MD, PhD.  Bad combination.  The “do what is needed” of the MD is always challenged by the “but do data support it?” of the PhD.  When a patient came into the ER with a dangerously low blood count, the PhD in me said “you must find out the cause” while the MD was screaming “transfuse !!”
 
So fast forward to retirement and cars.  Not a good mix for my left brain.  I have had to re-program all my trainings to deal with the “it doesn’t fit” and the “but it isn’t  the same as previously”.
 
I guess what I am saying is you are dealing with 2 opposing factors here:  does this affect the camber of the wheel and does the cotter pin still secure the nut ?  The problem is not whether a washer is included or not.
 
I would think (but am open to correction) that the most important thing is the camber of the wheel (should be zero, I believe) and then deal with whether the ball joint allows for the cotter pin or not.  If the camber is OK, then drill another hole, or use a washer.  But I learned a long time ago that wishing the parts would meet my expectations was an exercise in futility.
 
Just my 2 cents…….
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 3:24 PM
To: New England Triumphs; TR3 Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Ball joint fitment
 
Hey all ~
 
Anyone else had trouble mounting TRF's ball joint 200272 to the upper 
control arms?
 
http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3GB/154.php?s_wt=1366&s_ht=768
 
Moss' diagram is, of course, much more complete:
 
http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=29136&SortOrder=230
 
I have compared my old ball joints to the new ones and find that the 
shaft stem (to the upper control arms) of the new ones is 0.110 shorter 
than the old ones. While TRF does include the "correct mounting hardware," 
the shorter stem length means the only way to secure the castle nut with a 
cotter pin onto the shorter length stem is to NOT use the included 9/16" 
washer. Is this a problem? 
 
Perhaps a thinner washer would help.... Or i could jump on the ratchet 
wrench with a cheater bar....  
 
Anyone?
 
Dave
 
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