[TR] Stag hardtop trim question

Thu Mar 24 19:31:12 MDT 2016

Chad,

Yes, I have seen the plastic clips attaching the side brightwork.  May have been when the top was re-painted, from previous work. 

I had two Stags built within a few months of each other, I pulled the trims off the hard top for repainting,  one had plastic and one had metal.  

I think the plastic clips do a better job of not piercing the paint where pop-rivets pierce the paint and allow corrosion to set in. But the metal clips do a better job holding the trims.

BTW, did you get another Stag to replace your Mimosa one you sold?

Glenn Merrell  

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen … with the occasional smell of manure!”

From: Chad [mailto:triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:05 PM
To: controls at freelanceconsulting.net; 'John Macartney'; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question

Glenn-

My trims under the window (813775/6) had plastic clips.  I am trying to source replacements as I will have drill holes to pop-rivet the little metal clips in place and I don't want to put more holes in the metal.

Thanks,

Chad jester

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From: "StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org" <StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org>
To: 'John Macartney' <john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk>; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question

John,

Do you mean StagByTriumph Garage operated by Glenn Merrell, aka StagByTriumph?

Maybe.

Here is the scoop:

First there are several types of clips and fittings.  Some suppliers get it wrong with their “kits”, combining the wrong parts or not asking the customer the correct questions first.

Another factor is of course the Dreaded Previous Mechanic, Dreaded Previous Owner, Dreaded Previous Dealer who may have changed or applied the incorrect parts in a repair.

The hardtop upper brightwork  trim812219  original plastic clips 625953 are a two part system. Some hardtops have had these replaced with metal clips and pop rivets.  Going to metal created  problems as it deformed the trim and nicked the paintwork metal and allowed corrosion and rust to quickly set in.

http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=viewproduct <http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=viewproduct&pid=239&cat=53&maincat=9&start=0&sid=sid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403> &pid=239&cat=53&maincat=9&start=0&sid=sid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403

1.       There is a plastic plug with a hole in the center that gets pushed into the drilled hole in the metal.

2.       The second part is the tabbed plastic  with a plastic round post to match with the hole plug

The tabbed portion  is twisted into the metal trim piece.  These allow the tabbed piece to be slid to position with the plug.  

The other trim pieces 813775/6 at the windows are metal clips 630881 for the sides;  There are two different size holes for these clips.  It is not like BL produced a hundred thousand Hard Tops for Stags, but they did build many other models and marques using the same trims and clips.

http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=viewproduct <http://www.ldpart.co.uk/shop/shop.php?c=viewproduct&pid=586&cat=53&maincat=9&start=0&sid=sid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403> &pid=586&cat=53&maincat=9&start=0&sid=sid25d6421f0fba01e2271bf48408436403

Note there should also be a plastic gasket 622663  & 623720 under the edge of the hardtop metal edge that was once held in place by the trim clips holding the brightwork below the hard top side and rear windows.  This plastic “J” shaped strip trapped water and caused the hardtop edge under the rear windows to rot – there was a rolled seam there.

I will guess that supplier of the clips for that kit did not ask which size holes – typically 7/64” for the side brightwork, or the picker grabbed the wrong pop rivets.

This is why I recommend LDPart.co.uk for things like this on Stags.  Peter Howells knows the subtle differences and pays careful attention to these details.

In North America, if you have a good parts counter person at a good parts supplier such as NAPA, they will grab the clips catalogue and a caliper if they cannot locate it in their extensive database online and find the exact clip you need.  The various coachwork companies used standard brightwork trim and clips across many auto manufacturers, certainly since GM and Ford both owned manufacturing and assembly plants in the UK producing vehicles like Vauxhall, Reliant, Cortina, Capri, JLR etc using the same dimension trims and clips from those eras.

For any clip for any LBC, Check the UK company Bresco,  http://www.bresco.com/ – chances are they got clips to fit any trim on any of your LBC’s, just be exact on your measurements because clips can look the same but be different in a dimension by a fraction of an inch or mm.  They have the plastic two piece hardtop system as used on Jaguars / BL / Rover Triumph, and the metal clip pieces for the other areas on the vehicle for the attaching the brightwork.  Pop rivets, buy those at your local hardware store.

Cheers!

Glenn Merrell  

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, “the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen … with the occasional smell of manure!”

From: John Macartney [mailto:john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 6:55 AM
To: controls at freelanceconsulting.net
Subject: FW: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question

One for The Stag Garage perhaps? J Maybe a BFH and a box of nails?

J

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chad
Sent: 21 March 2016 12:43
To: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question

I am having similar issues wit the side trim below the side windows.  I bought the trim clips and rivits listed....no way I can figure out how to make them work.  My top had plastic clips on it but they rotted and cracked.

Chad in Tulsa

71 Stag.

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From: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 6:44 PM
Subject: [TR] Stag hardtop trim question

was there a difference in clips that held the lower rear trim in place 
between a Mk1 and 2?

I bought the clip kit,  and it uses  1/8  rivots, but the holes in the 
top are twice as large.

Pat
71 Stag

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