From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 11:57:27 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 13:57:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] A time-warp 1968 Triumph 2000 on eBay UK
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAzBN62FTGpiWVPNGj1fgrYurY5fJD27aDHnR5kMHYiRA@mail.gmail.com>

As they say, something can be restored many times, but can only be original
once...
http://tinyurl.com/bj6kue9

Don

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Nov  1 16:00:57 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:00:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?
Message-ID: <00f601cdb87c$603d7bb0$20b87310$@uprichard.net>

Lists:

 

My cousin, Darryl, sent me the attachment below.  I am forwarding it out of
interest in what we really think our cars are worth.  Please be advised I
have no financial interest whatsoever in Racetorations.

 

I see two small-mouth TR3s for sale in Hemmings:  $37, 900 and $47,900 !!
Of course, the asking price is very different from what one actually gets
for a car.  Two years ago I sold a fast-road TR3 to a guy in Europe for
$44,000, but I had to ship it over and it ended up a push.  I have a friend
with a nice TR6 - refreshed, not restored, but no obvious issues.  What
should he expect to get for it ?  I have a TR3B with 8 years and 16,000
miles on it from restoration.  Everything seems to be fine and it drives and
looks great.  I was asked what I wanted for it.  It's not for sale, but what
if it were?

 

So, if anyone has time to kill, fill in the blanks below:

TR6 -  refreshed  - no obvious issues

??

 

TR3 -  restored  8 years - everything seems great

??

 

Small-mouth TR3 - new restoration - everything restored / replaced

??

 

Andrew Uprichard

www.motorcarinvestor.com/racetorations-its-all-about-trs/

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 16:52:39 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 15:52:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] A time-warp 1968 Triumph 2000 on eBay UK
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAzBN62FTGpiWVPNGj1fgrYurY5fJD27aDHnR5kMHYiRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAzBN62FTGpiWVPNGj1fgrYurY5fJD27aDHnR5kMHYiRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGmppL30tBpWBo7sWHAJ9vk5Hhid9jS0Gs=CwRh89YkiQ@mail.gmail.com>

*"...It is in running driving condition, although there are no brakes."*
**
That's the spirit!

Geo


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As they say, something can be restored many times, but can only be
original
> once...
> http://tinyurl.com/bj6kue9
>
> Don

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Nov  1 17:50:59 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 19:50:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] A time-warp 1968 Triumph 2000 on eBay UK
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGmppL30tBpWBo7sWHAJ9vk5Hhid9jS0Gs=CwRh89YkiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFAzBN62FTGpiWVPNGj1fgrYurY5fJD27aDHnR5kMHYiRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANzE1bGmppL30tBpWBo7sWHAJ9vk5Hhid9jS0Gs=CwRh89YkiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeMYT=LVjysKJhm3XvXqhDeubEoDA8QiQdLueeabk3_XWg@mail.gmail.com>

I remember what that's like!!!!

From jdabars at att.net  Fri Nov  2 07:44:29 2012
From: jdabars at att.net (Janis Dabars)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 06:44:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing  **********
Message-ID: <1351863869.75897.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 11/2/12, Janis Dabars <jdabars at att.net> wrote:


From: Janis Dabars <jdabars at att.net>
Subject: Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing **********
To: "John Dabars" <jdabars at att.net>
Date: Friday, November 2, 2012, 9:32 AM
























Subject: Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing **********





Is this place in USA, California?
What you think?  LET ME KNOW






Click on this.  IF you into Triumphs--DEPRESSING!  Where is this holy grale?
 
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLodGhh9moE

From dmericas at austin.rr.com  Fri Nov  2 08:15:16 2012
From: dmericas at austin.rr.com (dmericas at austin.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 9:15:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
Message-ID: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root@hrndva-web02-z01>

I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4.  I seem to recall doing this job long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop manual suggests is required.

Can anyone comment on how hard it is to replace the MC without removing the brake MC and pedal assembly?

Thanks.

Dean
1965 TR4
1976 AR 2000 GTV
1976 AR Giulia Nuova Super 2L

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 09:08:36 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:08:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumf Grave yard. very depressing **********
In-Reply-To: <1351863869.75897.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1351863869.75897.YahooMailClassic@web185003.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEwE9hjHit8dRVoCyRTB07eWr8v4P5MiScshS6tx4ORfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Creepy but interesting nonetheless.  Doesn't look like California, possibly
the UK.

I recall a place like this in New Castle, Indiana back in the 70s... they
stacked the TR3 bodies 6 high and to move one around they punched thru the
side with a forklift.

BTW -- If the music is familiar but you can't place it:  *The Good, the Bad
and the Ugly*

*Geo

*
**
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Janis Dabars <jdabars at att.net> wrote:

> Click on this.  IF you into Triumphs--DEPRESSING!  Where is this holy
> grale?
>
> www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLodGhh9moE

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Nov  2 09:39:57 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 08:39:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
In-Reply-To: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root@hrndva-web02-z01>
References: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root@hrndva-web02-z01>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGimcf2P4Ae18tdjBuvXYKK2uxr0a3T+St+HFYXHaTShQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dean --

I recall no difficulty in R&Ring the M/C with the pedal box *in situ*.  You
may need to get creative with the wrenches (1/4" drive, short extension,
wobble extension or u-joint) to get at that lower bolt but nothing new in
that.  TR3s were easier as they had a 'back door'.

When reinstalling I find it easier if very I loosely attach the mounting
bolts then attach the hard line while I still have some wiggle room to line
up the threads of the fitting.

Geo


On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 7:15 AM, <dmericas at austin.rr.com> wrote:

> I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4.  I seem to recall doing this
> job long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop manual suggests
> is required.

From pethier at comcast.net  Fri Nov  2 09:49:58 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:49:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
In-Reply-To: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root@hrndva-web02-z01>
Message-ID: <1826775637.81506.1351871398001.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I replaced the clutch master cylinder in my 1962 TR4 and I do not recall any problems.  I certainly did not remove the pedal box or mess with the pedal mounting.  Maybe it's a good thing I didn't look at the manual.  I just proceded in what seemed like an obvious manner.



Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

----- Original Message -----
> From: dmericas at austin.rr.com
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 9:15:16 AM
> Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
> I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4. I seem to recall doing this
> job long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop manual
> suggests is required.
> 
> Can anyone comment on how hard it is to replace the MC without
> removing the brake MC and pedal assembly?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Dean
> 1965 TR4
> 1976 AR 2000 GTV
> 1976 AR Giulia Nuova Super 2L
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From dmericas at austin.rr.com  Fri Nov  2 10:24:34 2012
From: dmericas at austin.rr.com (dmericas at austin.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 16:24:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
In-Reply-To: <6F39202D-8EA1-4BDE-ACF7-5FD1C944F486@columbus.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20121102162434.EWF80.84583.root@hrndva-web02-z01>

Thanks Tom and others for the quick responses.

Maybe my memory is not that bad after all ;^)  I do recall now that some creative socket arrangement was required for that bottom bolt.

Dean
1965 TR4
1974 AR 2000 GTV
1976 AR Giulia Nuova Super 2L


---- Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote: 
> I have never taken the box out....... flex sockets help .......
> 
> 
> On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:15 AM, <dmericas at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> > I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4.  I seem to recall doing  
> > this job long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop  
> > manual suggests is required.
> >
> > Can anyone comment on how hard it is to replace the MC without  
> > removing the brake MC and pedal assembly?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dean
> > 1965 TR4
> > 1976 AR 2000 GTV
> > 1976 AR Giulia Nuova Super 2L
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From 308gtsi at roadrunner.com  Fri Nov  2 15:23:28 2012
From: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com (Brian Induni)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:23:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?
Message-ID: <005701cdb940$4d9d1c80$e8d75580$@roadrunner.com>

OK, I'll bite...

Asking "how much is it worth" is like me asking how much is my house worth
(BTW, it IS for sale!). We'll need more info, so if you'd like some
feedback, I'd start with providing the following: what does the car need
(body, paint, top, interior, etc), color, accessories, OD or non-OD, wires
or disks, and so on. I always get a kick out of "needs nothing except
.....".

My restorations are award winning, so my idea of "refreshed" and "no issues"
my be different than yours (no offense!), so pictures will go a loooong way
here. I went to look at "nicely refreshed" early MGB the other day and was
appalled someone would actually call it "refreshed" much less "nicely
refreshed". Give us a 1 - 5 number (1 being Concours, 5 being tow it home).

I can drive home a late '60s early '70s TR6 in #4  for about $2500. Of
course, to turn that car around and sell it for $20-25k I'll put a boat load
of time and money in to it. To make it Concours will take 3-5x that time and
money. Most of the time not worth it.

This time of year, deduct 10-20%, unless selling in to a warm climate.

Of course, all of this may be rubbish in the UK... 

Anyone else care to add their 2 bits?

Brian

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Nov  2 17:13:06 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 19:13:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?So_what_IS_a_TR_worth=3F?=
Message-ID: <mailman.24.1351897921.32719.triumphs@autox.team.net>

There's a butt for every seat....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?
Date: Fri, Nov 2, 2012 17:23


OK, I'll bite...

Asking "how much is it worth" is like me asking how much is my house worth
(BTW, it IS for sale!). We'll need more info, so if you'd like some
feedback, I'd start with providing the following: what does the car need
(body, paint, top, interior, etc), color, accessories, OD or non-OD, wires
or disks, and so on. I always get a kick out of "needs nothing except
......".

My restorations are award winning, so my idea of "refreshed" and "no issues"
my be different than yours (no offense!), so pictures will go a loooong way
here. I went to look at "nicely refreshed" early MGB the other day and was
appalled someone would actually call it "refreshed" much less "nicely
refreshed". Give us a 1 - 5 number (1 being Concours, 5 being tow it home).

I can drive home a late '60s early '70s TR6 in #4  for about $2500. Of
course, to turn that car around and sell it for $20-25k I'll put a boat load
of time and money in to it. To make it Concours will take 3-5x that time and
money. Most of the time not worth it.

This time of year, deduct 10-20%, unless selling in to a warm climate.

Of course, all of this may be rubbish in the UK... 

Anyone else care to add their 2 bits?

Brian

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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Nov  2 17:29:11 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 23:29:11 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?
In-Reply-To: <005701cdb940$4d9d1c80$e8d75580$@roadrunner.com>
References: <005701cdb940$4d9d1c80$e8d75580$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1351898951.7638.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I'll put in a comment (or two) as well FWIW.
 
Obviously, the worth of any
item is really only what someone is prepared to pay for it. 
The prices start
to climb as cars become rarer and more sought after. 
Classic examples are TR5
against TR250. 
Only 2000 odd 5's were made against 8000 odd 250's arguably
making the 5 the most sought after Triumph sports car in the UK - and the
prices are reflecting that, even when sold privately. 
Equally, this list in
the past has commented on the escalation of 250 prices over the years. It's a
simple case of supply and demand. Turn off the supply, the price goes up and
that's a ploy that was exploited for years by Mercedes who intentionally ran
their lines below full capacity. 
Seems to me that prices for TR's in the
US/Canada will always be lower than elsewhere because that's where the
majority went when new. Also applies to AH, Jaguar, MG. That said, cars being
sold in the UK are commanding utterly stupid prices for mediocrity, while
those with more money than sense are seemingly content to fork out $35k - $45k
for something that looks reasonable - and probably still needs work.
Bottom
line is if the buyer wants it and has the money and you're there with what
he/she wants to buy, chances are you could do quite well - but people have a
choice and many are preapared to wait a long,long time before they acquire
their heart's desire - and usually after a lot of haggling.
So the answer?
Price for maximum return on your car and be prepared to negotiate downwards -
slowly.

Jonmac
     
________________________________

From: Brian Induni
<308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Friday, 2 November
2012, 21:23
Subject: Re: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?


>OK, I'll bite...
>
>Asking "how much is it worth" is like me asking how much is my house worth
>(BTW, it IS for sale!). We'll need more info, so if you'd like some
>feedback, I'd start with providing the following: what does the car need
>(body, paint, top, interior, etc), color, accessories, OD or non-OD, wires
>or disks, and so on. I always get a kick out of "needs nothing except
>.....".
>
>My restorations are award winning, so my idea of "refreshed" and
"no issues"
>my be different than yours (no offense!), so pictures will go a
loooong way
>here. I went to look at "nicely refreshed" early MGB the other
day and was
>appalled someone would actually call it "refreshed" much less
"nicely
>refreshed". Give us a 1 - 5 number (1 being Concours, 5 being tow it
home).
>
>I can drive home a late '60s early '70s TR6 in #4  for about $2500.
Of
>course, to turn that car around and sell it for $20-25k I'll put a boat
load
>of time and money in to it. To make it Concours will take 3-5x that time
and
>money. Most of the time not worth it.
>
>This time of year, deduct
10-20%, unless selling in to a warm climate.
>
>Of course, all of this may be
rubbish in the UK... 
>
>Anyone else care to add their 2 bits?
>
>Brian
>
>**
triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 19:40:12 2012
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 20:40:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
Message-ID: <27962346.370184.1351906812515.JavaMail.root@vms170019>

/local/mailman/lynxXXXXke1QqO: Permission denied

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 21:01:43 2012
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 22:01:43 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
Message-ID: <2453459.374090.1351911703971.JavaMail.root@vms170019>

Easy one for the list.


Like everyone else, I drip some fluif from my gearbox and differential. I always try and top up going into winter when I have more time.


Last year, Jiffy Lube let me drive in and walk down under the car and top it off for free. The year before that, my friend with a Jag got the car level and helped me.


My problem is I only have a set of Rhino ramps and have no way to get the car level.


The question is, if I run the front up on the ramps and then pump in some fluid, obviously when I come back down the level will be above where it should be according to the book.


Is there really any risk with overfilling these two parts? If there is, I will make other arrangements.


Thanks,


Craig H. Nicholls
1972 Triumph TR6

From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Nov  2 21:56:10 2012
From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 23:56:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Salt Lake City Utah
Message-ID: <4ED76EDC5B624070994D544C881E6BBA@dragonlairii>

hey... Triumph-holics here in the Salt Lake City Utah area?

Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net
www.teglerizer.com

From pethier at comcast.net  Fri Nov  2 23:21:58 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 05:21:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
In-Reply-To: <2453459.374090.1351911703971.JavaMail.root@vms170019>
Message-ID: <2074271060.86818.1351920118500.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Seriously:  How much does a second set of Rhino ramps cost?

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

----- Original Message -----
> From: thenicholls at verizon.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:01:43 PM
> Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
> Easy one for the list.
> 
> 
> Like everyone else, I drip some fluif from my gearbox and
> differential. I always try and top up going into winter when I have
> more time.
> 
> 
> Last year, Jiffy Lube let me drive in and walk down under the car and
> top it off for free. The year before that, my friend with a Jag got
> the car level and helped me.
> 
> 
> My problem is I only have a set of Rhino ramps and have no way to get
> the car level.
> 
> 
> The question is, if I run the front up on the ramps and then pump in
> some fluid, obviously when I come back down the level will be above
> where it should be according to the book.
> 
> 
> Is there really any risk with overfilling these two parts? If there
> is, I will make other arrangements.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig H. Nicholls
> 1972 Triumph TR6
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov  3 02:12:23 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 01:12:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
In-Reply-To: <2074271060.86818.1351920118500.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2453459.374090.1351911703971.JavaMail.root@vms170019>
	<2074271060.86818.1351920118500.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <0b2101cdb99a$f48b89a0$0601a8c0@randall>

> Seriously:  How much does a second set of Rhino ramps cost?

A lot more than they're worth.  The ramps won't fit under middle of the car
and it's really tough to have the front wheels moving forwards onto the
ramps, while the back wheels move backwards onto the ramps.  A jack and two
pairs of jackstands work a lot better.

Without overdrive, I don't think you've got anything to worry about.  The
gearbox and diff plugs are pretty close to the center, so the error will be
small and the worst that will happen is that the excess will leak out
faster.  

With overdrive though, I'd want to get it level somehow.  I hear it's
possible to cut a hole in the side of the trans tunnel so you can fill it
with the wheels on the ground.

-- Randall  

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Nov  3 03:29:02 2012
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 05:29:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
In-Reply-To: <2074271060.86818.1351920118500.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Stupid question I guess - What's a Rhino Clamp? Anything like a sky hook?

Alex Thomson

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From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pethier at comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2012 1:22 AM
To: thenicholls at verizon.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff

Seriously:  How much does a second set of Rhino ramps cost?

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: thenicholls at verizon.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:01:43 PM
> Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff Easy one for the list.
> 
> 
> Like everyone else, I drip some fluif from my gearbox and 
> differential. I always try and top up going into winter when I have 
> more time.
> 
> 
> Last year, Jiffy Lube let me drive in and walk down under the car and 
> top it off for free. The year before that, my friend with a Jag got 
> the car level and helped me.
> 
> 
> My problem is I only have a set of Rhino ramps and have no way to get 
> the car level.
> 
> 
> The question is, if I run the front up on the ramps and then pump in 
> some fluid, obviously when I come back down the level will be above 
> where it should be according to the book.
> 
> 
> Is there really any risk with overfilling these two parts? If there 
> is, I will make other arrangements.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Craig H. Nicholls
> 1972 Triumph TR6
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Nov  3 07:07:55 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 09:07:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?
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Thanks for all who replied - to the list and individually.  For what it's
worth, US prices look like (on a scale of 1-5):
Nice, refreshed TR6 (probably a 3) - $10K
Older restored TR3 (4+) - $20K
New restored small-mouth (5) - $30K

Andrew Uprichard

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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 7:29 PM
To: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?

I'll put in a comment (or two) as well FWIW.
 
Obviously, the worth of any
item is really only what someone is prepared to pay for it. 
The prices start
to climb as cars become rarer and more sought after. 
Classic examples are TR5
against TR250. 
Only 2000 odd 5's were made against 8000 odd 250's arguably making the 5 the
most sought after Triumph sports car in the UK - and the prices are
reflecting that, even when sold privately. 
Equally, this list in
the past has commented on the escalation of 250 prices over the years. It's
a simple case of supply and demand. Turn off the supply, the price goes up
and that's a ploy that was exploited for years by Mercedes who intentionally
ran their lines below full capacity. 
Seems to me that prices for TR's in the
US/Canada will always be lower than elsewhere because that's where the
majority went when new. Also applies to AH, Jaguar, MG. That said, cars
being sold in the UK are commanding utterly stupid prices for mediocrity,
while those with more money than sense are seemingly content to fork out
$35k - $45k for something that looks reasonable - and probably still needs
work.
Bottom
line is if the buyer wants it and has the money and you're there with what
he/she wants to buy, chances are you could do quite well - but people have a
choice and many are preapared to wait a long,long time before they acquire
their heart's desire - and usually after a lot of haggling.
So the answer?
Price for maximum return on your car and be prepared to negotiate downwards
- slowly.

Jonmac
     
________________________________

From: Brian Induni
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, 2 November
2012, 21:23
Subject: Re: [TR] So what IS a TR worth?


>OK, I'll bite...
>
>Asking "how much is it worth" is like me asking how much is my house worth
>(BTW, it IS for sale!). We'll need more info, so if you'd like some
>feedback, I'd start with providing the following: what does the car need
>(body, paint, top, interior, etc), color, accessories, OD or non-OD, wires
>or disks, and so on. I always get a kick out of "needs nothing except
>.....".
>
>My restorations are award winning, so my idea of "refreshed" and
"no issues"
>my be different than yours (no offense!), so pictures will go a
loooong way
>here. I went to look at "nicely refreshed" early MGB the other
day and was
>appalled someone would actually call it "refreshed" much less
"nicely
>refreshed". Give us a 1 - 5 number (1 being Concours, 5 being tow it
home).
>
>I can drive home a late '60s early '70s TR6 in #4  for about $2500.
Of
>course, to turn that car around and sell it for $20-25k I'll put a boat
load
>of time and money in to it. To make it Concours will take 3-5x that time
and
>money. Most of the time not worth it.
>
>This time of year, deduct
10-20%, unless selling in to a warm climate.
>
>Of course, all of this may be
rubbish in the UK... 
>
>Anyone else care to add their 2 bits?
>
>Brian
>
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Nov  3 07:58:02 2012
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 13:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
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I cut a hole in the right tranny tunnel in my TR3A a few years ago. I made it
the same size as the hole in the floor and used that plug to seal it..

Tom

60 TR3A

61 TR3A

62 TR4

73 Stag Mk II



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From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 4:12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff

> Seriously: B How much does a second set of Rhino ramps cost?

A lot more than they're worth. B The ramps won't fit under middle of the car
and it's really tough to have the front wheels moving forwards onto the
ramps, while the back wheels move backwards onto the ramps. B A jack and two
pairs of jackstands work a lot better.

Without overdrive, I don't think you've got anything to worry about. B The
gearbox and diff plugs are pretty close to the center, so the error will be
small and the worst that will happen is that the excess will leak out
faster. B 

With overdrive though, I'd want to get it level somehow. B I hear it's
possible to cut a hole in the side of the trans tunnel so you can fill it
with the wheels on the ground.

-- RandallB B 

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 08:38:08 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 03 Nov 2012 07:38:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
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On 11/2/12 8:01 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:
> The question is, if I run the front up on the ramps and then pump in some fluid, obviously when I come back down the level will be above where it should be according to the book.
I went after the how to top off without a lift problem in a different 
way. I cut an access hole into the side of my gearbox tunnel centered on 
the fill plug.

Series Land Rovers have a big access hole in their gearbox tunnels and a 
big rubber plug to seal the hole.  The rubber plugs are available new.

I drilled a pilot hole centered over the TR's fill plug and made a hole 
the size of the LR rubber plug. I suppose one could do the same with the 
rubber plug that fits over the jack hole in a TR3.

So I sit the car on a level surface, remove the rubber plug then the 
fill plug then fill or top off using a funnel with a tube at the bottom.

TeriAnn

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Nov  3 09:22:34 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 08:22:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] Topping off gear box and diff
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On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:01 PM,  <thenicholls at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Is there really any risk with overfilling these two parts? If there is, I will make other arrangements.


IMO, yes.

Particularly in the diff an overfill may be too much for the seal in
the axle and you end up with gear oil on the brakes.  But even before
I had a lift I would fill the diff by crawling under the rear of the
car with all 4 on the floor.

In the case of the gearbox, you could fill a bit on the ramps, leave
the fill plug out, back down & let the excess drain then perhaps sneak
in there and insert the plug 9even if you had to drive up the ramps to
get to where you tighten it.  You do not want to run the engine with
that plug out though so someone will have to push you off the ramps.
The whole thing is easier with jackstands but I know some prefer
ramps.

Geo

From pethier at comcast.net  Sat Nov  3 12:46:41 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 18:46:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Salt Lake City Utah
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Sure.  Mark, the guy that runs this triumphs at autox.team.net list.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "ptegler" <ptegler at verizon.net>
> To: nass at yahoogroup.com, "Triumph GT6 Enthusiast" <Triumph_GT6_Enthusiast at yahoogroups.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net,
> spit6CGT6 at yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 10:56:10 PM
> Subject: [TR] Salt Lake City Utah


> hey... Triumph-holics here in the Salt Lake City Utah area?
> 
> Paul Tegler
> ptegler at verizon.net
> www.teglerizer.com

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  3 21:27:45 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 20:27:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Value/restoration
Message-ID: <1351999665.34238.YahooMailNeo@web120602.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The thread concerning the worth of our cars came along at the same time I've
been adding up my cost/hours (tr-3).  I'm basically finished but still need to
install the top/side curtains as well as buy new wheels/tires.

I tried to
keep a very accurate count of hours spent but this can be somewhat flexible. 
I did not count time spent "sitting and thinking", reading up on procedures,
thinking through problems or consulting with experts.  I came up with 1470
hours.  

Adding up invoices came to a little over $15,000.  This included
parts purchased as well as services such as engine machining (i took apart and
assembled engine), chroming, glueing vinyl over 3 pieces of trim and final
paint spray.  Oh..........I didn't include the purchase of tools/equipment
needed such as a MIG welder and sand blasting cabinet kit I made.

This car
was a VERY RATTY car.  Probably a very borderline car to restore needing all
new floors, inner and outer sills, all brackets holding car to frame as well
as metal rotted out behind the brackets.  It had the bottom 8 inches of both
forward footwells rotted as well as that much of bottom front fenders.  Rear
fenders were good however trunk floor gone and very rear clip bashed in with
loads of bondo.  

The final cost depends on what I feel my labor is worth. 
If I pay myself $1.00 an hour I'll have a restoration for less than $17,000.
LOL  Since this car will stay in the family forever the cost isn't a big
concern.  I was surprised at the hour total.  This was an experience I can
check off my bucket list and was one of the most interesting, frustrating,
challenging and fun things I've done in years!  And I'm also glad its done!
gary n.

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Nov  4 06:22:11 2012
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 08:22:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] Value/restoration
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List,
I have to put in my .02 too on this.

I think very few of us actually start out on our restoration thinking in the 
back of our minds we are actually going to create some kind of major 
investment bonanza. It's more along the lines of at some point in our lives, 
we see this really cool looking car and think, "someday I am going to own 
one of those". And, we start looking.. From then on it's pretty much a 
"target of opportunity" kind of situation. At that point, you find a car, 
you have enough money to buy it, and the car's condition is within what you 
think your range of restoration skills are at that moment. When you are 
"done", you still have the car, you are out of money, and your restoration 
skills are about 1000% more than when you started..
You go to your first show and a someone comes up to you and says something 
like, " Man, I always wanted one of those" and it start all over again..

Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS  (Have the car, have some money left, I am pretty good at 
bodywork and paint now)
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 07:28:16 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:28:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] Value/restoration
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On 11/3/12 8:27 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> I tried to
> keep a very accurate count of hours spent but this can be somewhat flexible.
> I did not count time spent "sitting and thinking", reading up on procedures,
> thinking through problems or consulting with experts.  I came up with 1470
> hours.
>
> Adding up invoices came to a little over $15,000.
I was just the opposite when I rebuilt my TR3.  I purposely did not want 
to know what this folly of mine was costing me.  Had I known I might 
well have gone without fixing some stuff because the project had become 
too expensive.  Or perhaps found ways to do some things more cheaply.

I had no idea what I was getting into and did my best to hide costs from 
myself.  Even then the project almost didn't get finished if it were not 
for my extreme tenacity and and absolute refusal to give up.

Since I had never done this kind of thing before I just assumed 
important parts of the car would drop off when I first started driving 
it, just because I didn't have much of a clue as to what I was doing.  
As it was there was only 2 problems. A headlight rim fell off and I 
drove over it when I first took it down the road and about a month or 
two later I had front wheel bearing issues because I set them up per the 
main part of the red book which was for front drum brake TRs and not to 
a supplement page at the back of the manual which was for disc brake 
cars.  It took me several months before I would trust that the car would 
stay together if I put any stress on it under cornering.  I had a hard 
time believing that I could take all the parts off a car and put parts 
back on and have the thing actually work.

You ask about value.  After the perspiration (women don't sweat we 
perspire), worry, anxiety and unknown lots of hours I put into my TR3 I 
would be totally daft if I were to ever sell it.  If one day they decide 
I was too infirm to drive I could always sit behind the wheel as it sat 
in the garage and make put put noises as I try to remember throwing it 
through winding mountain roads.

Of course everything I have is for sale.  The current price for my TR3 
is a mint condition TR250 plus US$35,000. I might also consider a trade 
of a DB4, XK120C or 250GTO plus cash for my 3.  I value my time,  blood, 
perspiration  and tears highly.

TeriAnn

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 07:36:25 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 07:36:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] Value/restoration
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	<B027CE373EB64F738965D49D95C8000F@DaveLaptop>
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On 11/4/12 6:22 AM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> You go to your first show and a someone comes up to you and says 
> something like, " Man, I always wanted one of those" and it start all 
> over again..
And after I give a price the next thing out of their mouth is "You want 
how much for it?"  Followed by "Do you really expect someone to pay that 
much for it?"

Silly boy to assume I actually want to sell the TR and am willing to set 
a price that I think anyone might be willing to pay for it.

TeriAnn

From l1j1s at aol.com  Sun Nov  4 08:09:41 2012
From: l1j1s at aol.com (Lawrence Schwartz)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 10:09:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Value/restoration
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Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Lawrence Schwartz <l1j1s at aol.com>
> Date: November 4, 2012, 7:14:37 AM EST
> To: Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Value/restoration
>
> Gary, congratulations on approaching the finish line with the restoration of
your 3. If you we're you count the hours by paying yourself the minimum wage
per hour and your were forced to sell the car , you would break even. Larry
Schwartz
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 3, 2012, at 11:27 PM, Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> The thread concerning the worth of our cars came along at the same time
I've
>> been adding up my cost/hours (tr-3).  I'm basically finished but still need
to
>> install the top/side curtains as well as buy new wheels/tires.
>>
>> I tried to
>> keep a very accurate count of hours spent but this can be somewhat
flexible.
>> I did not count time spent "sitting and thinking", reading up on
procedures,
>> thinking through problems or consulting with experts.  I came up with 1470
>> hours.
>>
>> Adding up invoices came to a little over $15,000.  This included
>> parts purchased as well as services such as engine machining (i took apart
and
>> assembled engine), chroming, glueing vinyl over 3 pieces of trim and final
>> paint spray.  Oh..........I didn't include the purchase of tools/equipment
>> needed such as a MIG welder and sand blasting cabinet kit I made.
>>
>> This car
>> was a VERY RATTY car.  Probably a very borderline car to restore needing
all
>> new floors, inner and outer sills, all brackets holding car to frame as
well
>> as metal rotted out behind the brackets.  It had the bottom 8 inches of
both
>> forward footwells rotted as well as that much of bottom front fenders.
Rear
>> fenders were good however trunk floor gone and very rear clip bashed in
with
>> loads of bondo.
>>
>> The final cost depends on what I feel my labor is worth.
>> If I pay myself $1.00 an hour I'll have a restoration for less than
$17,000.
>> LOL  Since this car will stay in the family forever the cost isn't a big
>> concern.  I was surprised at the hour total.  This was an experience I can
>> check off my bucket list and was one of the most interesting, frustrating,
>> challenging and fun things I've done in years!  And I'm also glad its
done!
>> gary n.
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sun Nov  4 13:42:00 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 15:42:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOO12EtymAmTO9jHVA9Bkm3WcO-ksh10_zjiOROos_J6A@mail.gmail.com>

I picked up a spare at the junkyard from a Nissan altima for ten bucks.
Never used and in great shape.

Tried it out on the 73 tr6  front and rear and seems to drive fine without
spacers.
Old spare was junk. I went back and bought two more for friends.

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sun Nov  4 14:43:41 2012
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 16:43:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare
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Did that a few years back, as have a lot of the 6-Pack guys.......... 
there's a few tire SSS that will fit. I went with one from a  1990 - 1997 
Honda Accord Wagon. Here in CT the going rate was $35. You can see how much 
space you gain in the trunk on my site here

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm

Bob


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/

1975 TR6 modified with:
-Throttle Body Injection
-Toyota 5 Speed
-Nissan Differential
-AAW Wire Harness
-CVJs... and more

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Simo
Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 3:42 PM
To: list Triumph
Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare

I picked up a spare at the junkyard from a Nissan altima for ten bucks.
Never used and in great shape.

Tried it out on the 73 tr6  front and rear and seems to drive fine without
spacers.
Old spare was junk. I went back and bought two more for friends.

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 07:25:53 2012
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 09:25:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeOO12EtymAmTO9jHVA9Bkm3WcO-ksh10_zjiOROos_J6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeOO12EtymAmTO9jHVA9Bkm3WcO-ksh10_zjiOROos_J6A@mail.gmail.com>
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What year Nissan Altima?  Would like to do same, but find a rubber tire that
is not too old that might suffer from dry rot.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
75 TR6
62 TR4

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 4, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I picked up a spare at the junkyard from a Nissan altima for ten bucks.
> Never used and in great shape.
>
> Tried it out on the 73 tr6  front and rear and seems to drive fine without
> spacers.
> Old spare was junk. I went back and bought two more for friends.
>
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Mon Nov  5 10:04:52 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 12:04:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare
In-Reply-To: <5097e9b4.c5d1440a.36a5.ffffdcd2SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
References: <5097e9b4.c5d1440a.36a5.ffffdcd2SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
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I put the entire altima rim and wheel on the car - it cleared the disc
brake calipier and suspension just fine.   I think the Altima's were in the
2001 time frame.   I think later ones use 5 lugs.

From pete_groh at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  5 11:12:24 2012
From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 10:12:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] New SCAM - " FREE TWO ENGLISH BULLDOG BABIES FOR ADOPTION"
Message-ID: <1352139144.12396.YahooMailNeo@web111611.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I received 3 messages in my spam folder. 

 
GREETINGS,
MY NAME IS REV FRANK
JAMES,MY WIFE AND I ARE ON A CHRISTIAN MISSION
TO AFRICA AND I CAME ALONG WITH
MY 2 ENGLISH BULLDOG BABIES. AFTER A
WHILE I NOTICE THAT THE AFRICAN WEATHER
IS NOT GOOD FOR THE PUPPY AND
I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM
THE WAY I ALWAYS DO
BECAUSE OF MY JOB. THEY ARE AKC REGISTERD. - BULLDOG. HOME
RAISED,
VACINES& HEALTH GUARANTEE.INEED SOMEONE TO ADOPT THEM AND TAKE
CARE OF
THEM THE WAY I ALWAYS DO.IF YOU CAN TAKE GOOD CARE OF THEM DO
SEND A REPLY AND
I WILL EMAIL YOU THERE PICTURES. I HOPE TO READ FROM
YOU. REGARDS, REV FRANK
JAMES 
 
Pete Groh 
Ellicott City, Md.

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Nov  5 12:01:02 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2012 13:01:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Tr6_space_saver_spare?=
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1352141995.21632.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Thanks!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [TR] Tr6 space saver spare
Date: Mon, Nov 5, 2012 11:04


I put the entire altima rim and wheel on the car - it cleared the disc
brake calipier and suspension just fine.   I think the Altima's were in the
2001 time frame.   I think later ones use 5 lugs.

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From mtgaines at presby.edu  Tue Nov  6 08:27:17 2012
From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 10:27:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] picture of TR6 Boss Frog roll bar?
In-Reply-To: <22900910.27.1352215286702.JavaMail.User@User-PC>
Message-ID: <25476112.29.1352215635877.JavaMail.User@User-PC>

I wrote the list a couple of weeks ago about my interest in mounting a Boss Frog roll bar to my TR6 and then welding the back plates to the frame to provide strength to the set up.  However, I have been able to find only two pictures of the installed bar at the Boss Frog site and one other elsewhere, and none of them shows clearly how much clearance there is between the bar and the seats.  I don't want to be bopping the back of my head while driving; I do that enough when I'm underneath it!  I'm wondering if anyone on the list has a picture or a description of the bar and seat arrangement you could send me off list or maybe a web site url.

Thanks,
Tim Gaines
Clinton, SC
1974 TR6
1980 Spitfire

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Tue Nov  6 09:07:41 2012
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 08:07:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Tail Lamp Wiring
Message-ID: <1352218061.54290.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

     So today is the last day of good roadster weather for awhile in Tehachapi
(southern Sierra Nevadas). Driving to work this morning in my TR3A, a wire
fell down from under the dash. I went to advanceautowire.com and printed a
schematic and it shows that this red/red&green wire with an inline fuse in the
middle is the wiring between the lighting switch and the panel light switch.
Sure enough, I don't have tail lights now and have to drive home in the dark.
I'll fix it at lunch.
     My question is, ISTR that I have done this before,
several times in 21 years of driving this car. Is there a way to make it
permanent? It seems like it needs stress relief. I was thinking of soldering
on a sleeve onto the end that is already pre-bent to the proper angle so the
wire hangs at the proper angle. Or maybe after mounting the wires they need to
be supported better so they don't flop around. Any ideas?
     TIA,
 
    
Bill in Tehachapi

From sevans8218 at aol.com  Tue Nov  6 13:17:10 2012
From: sevans8218 at aol.com (Steven Evans)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:17:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Barrett Triumph Repair in MD
Message-ID: <F722CD21-C4A3-48F8-A62A-E4ABB186E24E@aol.com>

Hi All,
Has anyone else had dealings with Barret of England located in  
Kensington Maryland? My TR6 has been there now for a basic carb tuneup  
& differential gear checkup since August 20th. This guy is impossible  
to get on the phone or at the shop.
Steve

From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Tue Nov  6 14:31:36 2012
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:31:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] Amco Console
Message-ID: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BB018546AD@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local>

Ken et al-


I have enjoyed reading this thread on TR consoles. Having taken several
longer trips in a TR6 and a TR 250, I often wondered why someone had not
developed an aftermarket console. To my surprise and pleasure, Harry
Beeker has done exactly what I thought was worthy of someone's time and
energy. His web site has lots of pictures of his product, which seem to
show a great reproduction of a useful period accessory.

Thanks for sharing the info.

Merry Christmas to ME, just early!


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
1011 Lehman Avenue
Suite 102
Bowling Green, KY   42103

270-781-6630


-----Original Message-----
From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 10:00 AM
To: fietts02 at aol.com
Cc: 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [6pack] Amco Console

Ken;

Any photos here work for you?

*http://tinyurl.com/byrdatz

*Dave*


*
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 10:31 AM, <fietts02 at aol.com> wrote:

> **
> Dave,
> Thanks for your reply these are repro with some slight modifications.
> I have seen these and they are exceptional. I a looking for the other
> variation made of to 72 but that fit the 250/4/6/ It was a one piece
> design with a lighter and ash try. It was also made by Amco. any
> suggestions on finding photo of it.
>  In a message dated 11/6/2012 10:09:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> forzion7 at gmail.com writes:
>
> Ken;
>
> Check out http://triumphconsoles.com/index.html
>
> Dave
> '74 Six w/OD and TBI
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:12 PM, <fietts02 at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I am looking for pictures of an original Amco console for TR6
>> installed in a car.  Also Does anyone have a BL accessory brochure
>> that shows the Amco console and the varies options available for it
such as, clock, light.
>> speaker  etc??
>> Ken
>>
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From thenicholls at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 14:50:38 2012
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 15:50:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Barrett Triumph Repair in MD
Message-ID: <18089859.1743042.1352238638984.JavaMail.root@vms170015>

 No, but he sounds like someone I know in Fairfax.


Go pickup the car, over 2 months is just criminal.


Craig 
1972 Triumph TR6
 
 
On 11/06/12, Steven Evans<sevans8218 at aol.com> wrote:
 
Hi All,
Has anyone else had dealings with Barret of England located in 
Kensington Maryland? My TR6 has been there now for a basic carb tuneup 
& differential gear checkup since August 20th. This guy is impossible 
to get on the phone or at the shop.
Steve

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Nov  6 14:59:13 2012
From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 16:59:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Barrett Triumph Repair in MD
References: <F722CD21-C4A3-48F8-A62A-E4ABB186E24E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0FFFBCAB71174FA58627D9F6E7843C72@dragonlairii>

...have lived in this area for 50+ years.... have never even heard of 
them.... not even in show field flyers at car events.
sorry

Paul Tegler
ptegler at verizon.net
www.teglerizer.com
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2012 3:17 PM
Subject: [TR] Barrett Triumph Repair in MD


> Hi All,
> Has anyone else had dealings with Barret of England located in  Kensington 
> Maryland? My TR6 has been there now for a basic carb tuneup  & 
> differential gear checkup since August 20th. This guy is impossible  to 
> get on the phone or at the shop.
> Steve
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov  6 16:55:42 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 18:55:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Tail Lamp Wiring
In-Reply-To: <1352218061.54290.YahooMailNeo@web180903.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20121106235542.XV3GU.168007.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net> wrote: 
>      My question is, ISTR that I have done this before,
> several times in 21 years of driving this car. Is there a way to make it
> permanent? 

Was the fuse holder mounted in its clip?  Was the wire perhaps pulled too tight?

One thing that seemed to help was to add a short length of heat shrink tubing across the end of the original insulation and slightly out onto the bare wire.  You can see a sample at
http://goo.gl/Ncp5V

Randall

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Nov  7 05:48:05 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:48:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
Message-ID: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows if the battery shutoff shown in this 
ebay add is available for the positive post?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR2-TR3-TR3A-TR3B-TR4-TR4a-MG-Healy-battery-shut-off-/300806885656?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item46097cd118&vxp=mtr

I would like to get one for both my 3 and 4.

I have one for my 6 that I got at a FLAPS but I cannot find one for the 
positive post.

Real handy when working on the car.

Thanks,

Bob

From mbarre at juno.com  Wed Nov  7 06:33:20 2012
From: mbarre at juno.com (Matt)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 13:33:20 GMT
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
Message-ID: <20121107.083320.31908.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

I have seen these at the local Walmart recently.Didn't look to see what post
they were for.


MB

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: "Triumphs at autox.team.net" <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 07:48:05 -0500

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone knows if the battery shutoff shown in this
ebay add is available for the positive post?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR2-TR3-TR3A-TR3B-TR4-TR4a-MG-Healy-battery-s
hut-off-/300806885656?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item46097cd
118&vxp=mtr

I would like to get one for both my 3 and 4.

I have one for my 6 that I got at a FLAPS but I cannot find one for the
positive post.

Real handy when working on the car.

Thanks,

Bob

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From oldpine47 at frontiernet.net  Wed Nov  7 06:46:24 2012
From: oldpine47 at frontiernet.net (oldpine47 at frontiernet.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 05:46:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3A Front cowl letter placement
Message-ID: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know how I can get a stencil for the Triumph letters on my tr3a? 
I have had to do extensive work on my apron which I am sure was in some sort
of fender bender an someone really botched the repair
 
TIA
Fred
TS57038 is
mine

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Nov  7 07:34:34 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 14:34:34 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
In-Reply-To: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>
References: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <1352298874.41255.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi, Bob
 
You might find the various switches illustrated on the top line of
images to be worthy of consideration? The one on the LH side with the red key
is identical to the one I have on my trailer home. It's the master switch for
the two motors that operate the motors on the trailer wheels for parking
without the tow vehicle. Good for about 110 amps. The Lucas replica, though
costly, is identical to the switch that was a Standard-Triumph approved part.
Means drilling the car so the ON/OFF knob is accessible from inside the
cockpit. Will easily cope with cold cranking loads but neat and highly
'original' if that's your leaning? NFI etc
 
http://www.retroclassiccarparts.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=12
5&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=155&vmcchk=1&Itemid=155

Jonmac
>________________________________
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
>To: "Triumphs at autox.team.net" <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Wednesday, 7
November 2012, 12:48
>Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
>  
>Hi,
>
>I was
wondering if anyone knows if the battery shutoff shown in this ebay add is
available for the positive post?
>
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumph-TR2-TR3-TR3A-TR3B-TR4-TR4a-MG-Healy-battery-
shut-off-/300806885656?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item46097c
d118&vxp=mtr
>
>I would like to get one for both my 3 and 4.
>
>I have one for
my 6 that I got at a FLAPS but I cannot find one for the positive post.
>
>Real handy when working on the car.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 07:48:32 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 07:48:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
In-Reply-To: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>
References: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bHUOOWL7=pMmWtHZLjF7Rk8GER39v-berD5AfL1iioojw@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW -- I just keep the ground post loose enough that the terminal can
be pulled off (with a light twist.

With a nice clean post and connector I've never had a problem with
charging, etc.  That 'quick disconnect' has saved me a couple of times
and, as you say, disconnecting it really Step 1 in many procedures.

Geo


On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 5:48 AM, Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone knows if the battery shutoff shown in this ebay
> add is available for the positive post?

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Nov  7 08:00:54 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:00:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A Front cowl letter placement
In-Reply-To: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005601cdbcf8$b0a2e830$11e8b890$@uprichard.net>

Did all the holes get welded up?  There was a change somewhere between TS
50,000 and 70,000 where they went from ribbed letters to  smooth letters.  I
have an early apron with holes for the ribbed letters.  I also have a 70,000
parts car with smooth letters, but they are in a straight line.  Wasn't the
"TRIUMPH" with smooth letters slightly curved like a smile?  I am wondering
if it is an earlier hood and someone just put the smooth letters in it.

Bottom line - I can take a piece of paper out to the early hood and mark the
holes if that is what you want.

Andrew Uprichard



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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
oldpine47 at frontiernet.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:46 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3A Front cowl letter placement

Does anyone know how I can get a stencil for the Triumph letters on my tr3a?

I have had to do extensive work on my apron which I am sure was in some sort
of fender bender an someone really botched the repair
 
TIA
Fred
TS57038 is
mine

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Nov  7 08:35:54 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:35:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A Front cowl letter placement
In-Reply-To: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>

You may have done this, but did you look on the backside to see if the holes
of visible from there?
Bill 

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oldpine47 at frontiernet.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:46 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3A Front cowl letter placement

Does anyone know how I can get a stencil for the Triumph letters on my tr3a?

I have had to do extensive work on my apron which I am sure was in some sort
of fender bender an someone really botched the repair
 
TIA
Fred
TS57038 is
mine

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 08:49:33 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 10:49:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] battery shutoff
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bHUOOWL7=pMmWtHZLjF7Rk8GER39v-berD5AfL1iioojw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509A5885.7070702@adelphia.net>
	<CANzE1bHUOOWL7=pMmWtHZLjF7Rk8GER39v-berD5AfL1iioojw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOYZZ3upiUJekO+s6b_POCPpemX9CTsmewCp+W4EeyW5g@mail.gmail.com>

I had an issue trying to get the battery cut off switch to connect to my
cables.  The cable end would not grip the cut off switch post.

I ended up using a battery cap shim on the battery cut off switch.

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/accessories/Lynx-Battery-post-shim/_/N-25hn?itemIdentifier=257147_0_0
_

It was on a TR4 that had been coverted to negative ground - so myproblems
were likely self inflicted.

All battery terminal cut off switches are not created equal.  I have to
fully disconnect the one I got from tractor supply while the ones I bougth
from moss only require a spin or two to disconnect.

From pethier at comcast.net  Wed Nov  7 14:10:02 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:10:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 2013 VTR presentation?
In-Reply-To: <20121029150258.JGCYO.1459846.imail@fed1rmwml106>
Message-ID: <2372342.132444.1352322602755.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Was there at the 2012 VTR convention the usual presentation for next year's VTR convention?

Did it contain exact location and date information?

Did it contain a video?

Can this video be seen online anywhere?


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Nov  7 16:30:43 2012
From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave Massey)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 18:30:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] 2013 VTR presentation?
In-Reply-To: <2372342.132444.1352322602755.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <2372342.132444.1352322602755.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CF8B570A756658-14B0-2431B@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com>

Try

http://www.mossmotoring.com/ai1ec_event/triumphest-vtr-national-2013/?instanc
e_id=

Was there at the 2012 VTR convention the usual presentation for next year's
VTR
convention?

Did it contain exact location and date information?

Did it contain a video?

Can this video be seen online anywhere?







Dave Massey

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 16:54:30 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 17:54:30 -0600
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>
Message-ID: <53D1BEE36B6A4E73BA31226912F5480E@GregPC>

British Car Forum, which I know some of you listers frequent in addition to 
Mark's fine listserv here, dropped of the face of the earth, er, web, 
sometime late last night, anybody have a clue why?

Off topic political discussion out of hand and Basil pulled the plug?

Technical Difficulties?

Cyber attack from the French or German Car Forums?

Anybody have any clue or heard anything?

Regards, Greg Lemon 

From pethier at comcast.net  Wed Nov  7 18:23:08 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 01:23:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] VTR / Triumphest in San Rafael California Oct 2-6 2013
In-Reply-To: <8CF8B570A756658-14B0-2431B@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1890379861.135713.1352337788260.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Triumphest / VTR National 2013
October 2, 2013 b October 6, 2013

Embassy Suites
101 McInnis Pkwy
San Rafael,CA 94903
USA

Contact:
Bryant Paulsen
510-579-1228
bpau259262 at aol.com

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Nov  7 18:35:53 2012
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:35:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <53D1BEE36B6A4E73BA31226912F5480E@GregPC>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>
	<53D1BEE36B6A4E73BA31226912F5480E@GregPC>
Message-ID: <BD4B7AE4CA0D486DAE87D8FB6C1DC603@BobDell>

404 error here too......... no BCF

Bob


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/

1975 TR6 modified with:
-Throttle Body Injection
-Toyota 5 Speed
-Nissan Differential
-AAW Wire Harness
-CVJs... and more



-----Original Message----- 
From: Greg Lemon
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] BCF?

British Car Forum, which I know some of you listers frequent in addition to
Mark's fine listserv here, dropped of the face of the earth, er, web,
sometime late last night, anybody have a clue why?

Off topic political discussion out of hand and Basil pulled the plug?

Technical Difficulties?

Cyber attack from the French or German Car Forums?

Anybody have any clue or heard anything?

Regards, Greg Lemon

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Nov  7 19:11:36 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 20:11:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <BD4B7AE4CA0D486DAE87D8FB6C1DC603@BobDell>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>
	<53D1BEE36B6A4E73BA31226912F5480E@GregPC>
	<BD4B7AE4CA0D486DAE87D8FB6C1DC603@BobDell>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFA9RRP38QMAnTVdTB+tNMhQWs1UMKEYOOLRko49aKB9+Q@mail.gmail.com>

There's a little bit of BCF online, but not much...
http://www.britishcarforum.com/about_us.html



On 11/7/12, Bob <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:
> 404 error here too......... no BCF
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
>
> 1975 TR6 modified with:
> -Throttle Body Injection
> -Toyota 5 Speed
> -Nissan Differential
> -AAW Wire Harness
> -CVJs... and more
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Lemon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] BCF?
>
> British Car Forum, which I know some of you listers frequent in addition to
> Mark's fine listserv here, dropped of the face of the earth, er, web,
> sometime late last night, anybody have a clue why?
>
> Off topic political discussion out of hand and Basil pulled the plug?
>
> Technical Difficulties?
>
> Cyber attack from the French or German Car Forums?
>
> Anybody have any clue or heard anything?
>
> Regards, Greg Lemon
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From aldwyn at sylvancircle.org  Wed Nov  7 19:22:38 2012
From: aldwyn at sylvancircle.org (Aldwyn)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:22:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <BD4B7AE4CA0D486DAE87D8FB6C1DC603@BobDell>
References: <1352295984.93516.YahooMailNeo@web164605.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><EF4088EA1EBD41D0BF03AF71C92DC15C@bboffice>
	<53D1BEE36B6A4E73BA31226912F5480E@GregPC>
	<BD4B7AE4CA0D486DAE87D8FB6C1DC603@BobDell>
Message-ID: <03c201cdbd57$ecc96b40$c65c41c0$@sylvancircle.org>

It was running off of Lucas electronics.

BCF is now waiting for a new wiring harness!  :D



 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-
 > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:36 PM
 > To: Greg Lemon; triumphs at autox.team.net
 > Subject: Re: [TR] BCF?
 > 
 > 404 error here too......... no BCF
 > 
 > Bob
 > 
 > 
 > Bob Danielson
 > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
 > 
 > 1975 TR6 modified with:
 > -Throttle Body Injection
 > -Toyota 5 Speed
 > -Nissan Differential
 > -AAW Wire Harness
 > -CVJs... and more
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Greg Lemon
 > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:54 PM
 > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
 > Subject: [TR] BCF?
 > 
 > British Car Forum, which I know some of you listers frequent in addition
to
 > Mark's fine listserv here, dropped of the face of the earth, er, web,
 > sometime late last night, anybody have a clue why?
 > 
 > Off topic political discussion out of hand and Basil pulled the plug?
 > 
 > Technical Difficulties?
 > 
 > Cyber attack from the French or German Car Forums?
 > 
 > Anybody have any clue or heard anything?
 > 
 > Regards, Greg Lemon
 > 
 > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
 > 
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 > g

From cartr4a at ameritech.net  Wed Nov  7 20:11:16 2012
From: cartr4a at ameritech.net (Jim)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 19:11:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <03c201cdbd57$ecc96b40$c65c41c0$@sylvancircle.org>
Message-ID: <1352344276.94253.YahooMailClassic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Didn't Basil tell us he was changing software?  But I don't remember seeing a
date for the change.
 
Jim

--- On Wed, 11/7/12, Aldwyn <aldwyn at sylvancircle.org> wrote:


From: Aldwyn <aldwyn at sylvancircle.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] BCF?
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, November 7, 2012, 8:22 PM


It was running off of Lucas electronics.

BCF is now waiting for a new wiring harness!  :D



> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-
> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:36 PM
> To: Greg Lemon; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] BCF?
>
> 404 error here too......... no BCF
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/
>
> 1975 TR6 modified with:
> -Throttle Body Injection
> -Toyota 5 Speed
> -Nissan Differential
> -AAW Wire Harness
> -CVJs... and more
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Lemon
> Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] BCF?
>
> British Car Forum, which I know some of you listers frequent in addition
to
> Mark's fine listserv here, dropped of the face of the earth, er, web,
> sometime late last night, anybody have a clue why?
>
> Off topic political discussion out of hand and Basil pulled the plug?
>
> Technical Difficulties?
>
> Cyber attack from the French or German Car Forums?
>
> Anybody have any clue or heard anything?
>
> Regards, Greg Lemon
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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> ily.org
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov  7 22:28:29 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:28:29 -0800
Subject: [TR] BCF?
In-Reply-To: <1352344276.94253.YahooMailClassic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <03c201cdbd57$ecc96b40$c65c41c0$@sylvancircle.org>
	<1352344276.94253.YahooMailClassic@web181704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9E8D3A8A3EAD4C1B84DA682D40EAAC02@Meislaptop>

> Didn't Basil tell us he was changing software?  But I don't remember
> seeing a
> date for the change.

Thot he said "this week", but I could be mistaken.

Kind of funny though, if you follow a link for a specific message, you get a
fancy error page with Basil's image, a smart alec comment, and a link to the
main page.  Clicking on the link returns a generic 404 page.

-- Randall

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  8 09:55:25 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 08:55:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1352393725.19052.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
thanks
Frank

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 09:57:44 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:57:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Round tail Spit for sale really cheap in Raleigh (not mine!)
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Message-ID: <CANhzkeMG-h6o8cQMXop0w=iqCZcLZAV-zNP9dVOzYqo+xtqAtQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is from a past member of my club who's just joined again, Larry
Griffin.  He's got a TR6 now and is disposing of his Spitfire at a
fire-sale price...contact Larry directly if you are interested:

1968 Triumph Spitfire FD20512L
>> Body is in very bad shape, has been outside under tarp since 1986
>> Engine was rebuilt in 1984 by Dave at Barnes Motors on Six Forks in
Raleigh but has been stored indoors since, never in car
>> Gearbox was stored inside too
>> A few new parts from TRF that were to be used in restoration.
>> Would like to go to good home or at least help save another early
roundtail.
>> Engine turns over freely by hand.
>> $300 or make offer
>> Larry Griffin
>> lgriffinnc at bellsouth.net

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From pethier at comcast.net  Thu Nov  8 11:05:07 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:05:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] who is the guy who rebuilds LBC distributors?
In-Reply-To: <1352393725.19052.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <423936369.142207.1352397907127.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Reply to 
"Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
not to me.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:55:25 AM
> Subject: [TR] (no subject)
> who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
> thanks
> Frank
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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov  8 11:06:08 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 11:06:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Round tail Spit for sale really cheap in Raleigh (not
 mine!)
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMG-h6o8cQMXop0w=iqCZcLZAV-zNP9dVOzYqo+xtqAtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANhzkeMG-h6o8cQMXop0w=iqCZcLZAV-zNP9dVOzYqo+xtqAtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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If that engine is a small journal 1296 it is well worth $300 itself.
Wish I lived closer!

mjb.

From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 11:40:02 2012
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 13:40:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Round tail Spit for sale really cheap in Raleigh (not
 mine!)
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMG-h6o8cQMXop0w=iqCZcLZAV-zNP9dVOzYqo+xtqAtQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks like I left some money on the table. :-(

The car is already sold to be used as a donor for an early Spit with a
good body.
Thanks,
Larry Griffin

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> This is from a past member of my club who's just joined again, Larry
> Griffin.  He's got a TR6 now and is disposing of his Spitfire at a
> fire-sale price...contact Larry directly if you are interested:
>
> 1968 Triumph Spitfire FD20512L
>>> Body is in very bad shape, has been outside under tarp since 1986
>>> Engine was rebuilt in 1984 by Dave at Barnes Motors on Six Forks in
> Raleigh but has been stored indoors since, never in car
>>> Gearbox was stored inside too
>>> A few new parts from TRF that were to be used in restoration.
>>> Would like to go to good home or at least help save another early
> roundtail.
>>> Engine turns over freely by hand.
>>> $300 or make offer
>>> Larry Griffin
>>> lgriffinnc at bellsouth.net

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov  8 17:09:39 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu,  8 Nov 2012 17:09:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] Life is a breeze!
Message-ID: <20121109000939.C2CF82E01D@bradakis.com>

Or, sometimes, strong gusty winds preceding a storm front.  The kind
of winds that break off tree branches.  Tree branches that hit power
lines, or perhaps phone lines, like the one that connects Team.Net
to the world.

Back on the air, I apologise for the service outage.

mjb.

PS: Mr. Mace - today's events set back the shipping schedule on that part.
    Sorry.

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Nov  8 12:35:55 2012
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 14:35:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1352393725.19052.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352393725.19052.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8FE770B08DC54C73895A69A6B8272018@BobDell>

Jeff at Advanced Distributors maybe? http://www.advanceddistributors.com/

Bob


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/

1975 TR6 modified with:
-Throttle Body Injection
-Toyota 5 Speed
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] (no subject)

who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
thanks
Frank

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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Nov  8 14:34:30 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 15:34:30 -0600
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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advanced distributors - http://advanceddistributors.com/


-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Fisher 
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 10:55 AM 
To: Triumphs 
Subject: [TR] (no subject) 

who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
thanks
Frank

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Nov  8 16:29:56 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 18:29:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Round tail Spit for sale really cheap in Raleigh (not
 mine!)
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It has been sold!

From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Nov  8 12:06:23 2012
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 13:06:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] who is the guy who rebuilds LBC distributors?
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	ville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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I think this is who you're looking for:
http://www.advanceddistributors.com
17495 Marystown Road
Shakopee, MN 55379
(612)-804-5543

I'm planning to pick up a unit from them in the winter rebuild.

Tony Drews

At 12:05 PM 11/8/2012, pethier at comcast.net wrote:
>Reply to
>"Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
>not to me.
>
>Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
>1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
>2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
>2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
>2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
>pethier at comcast.net
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
>http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
>http://www.mnautox.com
>http://www.mntriumphs.org
>
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> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 10:55:25 AM
> > Subject: [TR] (no subject)
> > who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
> > thanks
> > Frank
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Nov  8 13:40:16 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 15:40:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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References: <1352393725.19052.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <509C18B0.8080909@adelphia.net>

Frank,

I had Advanced Distributors do mine for the 6. Very nice job.

Website: http://www.advanceddistributors.com/index.htm

Bob

On 11/08/2012 11:55 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> who is the guy who rebuilds distributors?
> thanks
> Frank

From pethier at comcast.net  Thu Nov  8 21:45:28 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 04:45:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] who is the guy who rebuilds LBC distributors?
In-Reply-To: <20121109011439.31E562D13FD@autox.team.net>
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tony Drews" <tony at tonydrews.com>
> To: british-cars at autox.team.net, yellowtr3 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 1:06:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [TR] who is the guy who rebuilds LBC distributors?




> I think this is who you're looking for:
> http://www.advanceddistributors.com
> 17495 Marystown Road
> Shakopee, MN 55379
> (612)-804-5543
> 
> I'm planning to pick up a unit from them in the winter rebuild.
> 
> Tony Drews


(slapping forehead)  I remember now.  They had an open house (I was otherwise engaged).  One of our Minnesota Triumphs members was waxing eloquent at our meeting about the place.


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From mkearns2 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  9 11:12:05 2012
From: mkearns2 at gmail.com (Mark Kearns)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:12:05 -0800
Subject: [TR] Mark Kearns wants to share new pictures with you
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From: mkearns2 at gmail.com (Mark Kearns)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:14:33 -0800
Subject: [TR] Mark Kearns wants to share new pictures with you
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Subject: [TR] Mark Kearns wants to share new pictures with you
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Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:19:42 -0800
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From jdabars at att.net  Fri Nov  9 12:13:32 2012
From: jdabars at att.net (Janis Dabars)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 11:13:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Fw: triumph parts
Message-ID: <1352488412.67579.YahooMailClassic@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 11/9/12, Janis Dabars <jdabars at att.net> wr









 
 
www.retroclassiccarparts.com

From globalrc at mindspring.com  Fri Nov  9 14:02:34 2012
From: globalrc at mindspring.com (Dan Dougherty Sr.)
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2012 16:02:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Need TR-6 Blower motor, New
Message-ID: <32202743.1352494954849.JavaMail.root@mswamui-thinleaf.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Looking for a new blower motor for a TR-6, new. 

Email  globalrc at mindspring.com

From lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 04:24:23 2012
From: lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk (Larry Brouder)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:24:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Search
Message-ID: <1352546663.70446.YahooMailNeo@web133004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Looking to see if there is a registry to find a long-lost TR4 to suprise a
friend with its restoration-very special project. Please let me know if there
are resources out there. I believe it may be in CT.
 
Thanks,
LB

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 06:24:30 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 06:24:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 Search
In-Reply-To: <1352546663.70446.YahooMailNeo@web133004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
References: <1352546663.70446.YahooMailNeo@web133004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGxtuA-VVP1bRyMNDYw55NkNnjc7tf8Fk9uJN--QvEycA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:24 AM, Larry Brouder <lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Looking to see if there is a registry to find a long-lost TR4 to suprise a
> friend with its restoration-very special project...

Here's one:  TR
Registry<http://trregistry.com/start/registry/html/TR4/index.htm>

Geo

From lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Nov 10 09:32:05 2012
From: lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk (Larry Brouder)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:32:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Search
In-Reply-To: <9C4EBF8DEFCF4B57AAA96D25C331E31F@Datsun>
References: <1352546663.70446.YahooMailNeo@web133004.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>
	<9C4EBF8DEFCF4B57AAA96D25C331E31F@Datsun>
Message-ID: <1352565125.49111.YahooMailNeo@web133006.mail.ir2.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,
 
vin is CT27780 L I believe it was red to begin with, and is a 1964.
 Any help is greatly appreciated!
 
Thanks,
Larry
________________________________
 From: Dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: Larry
Brouder <lbrouder at yahoo.co.uk> 
Sent: Saturday, 10 November 2012, 10:19
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Search
  
at least tell us number, color, year . . .
-----Original Message----- From: Larry Brouder
Sent: Saturday, November 10,
2012 5:24 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 Search

Looking to
see if there is a registry to find a long-lost TR4 to suprise a
friend with
its restoration-very special project. Please let me know if there
are
resources out there. I believe it may be in CT.

Thanks,
LB

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From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 10 18:28:50 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:28:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] another fuel guage ?
Message-ID: <1352597330.95295.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Am presently trouble shooting 59 tr-3 fuel guage not working.  I get no
response from needle at all with my original 3 guage.


 I had a tr-4 guage
which I installed instead and found that it DID work, but only goes to full
and stays there when switch is on, whether tank is full or not.  It does fall
to empty when switch is off and also falls to empty when green/black wire at
sender is grounded on tank ground nut.

Randall mentioned in a recent post
that the 3 and 4 guages work opposite.  Is there a way to make my 4 guage work
in my 3?

thanks

gary n.

From mathews at uga.edu  Sat Nov 10 21:08:40 2012
From: mathews at uga.edu (Doug Mathews)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 23:08:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] another fuel guage ?
In-Reply-To: <1352597330.95295.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352597330.95295.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <509F24C8.3040806@uga.edu>

Gary,

Could it be the sender in the tank?  I think you can check it with an 
ohm meter.
But Randall will give a more complete reponse as usual.

Doug


On 11/10/2012 8:28 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> Am presently trouble shooting 59 tr-3 fuel guage not working.  I get no
> response from needle at all with my original 3 guage.
>
>
>   I had a tr-4 guage
> which I installed instead and found that it DID work, but only goes to full
> and stays there when switch is on, whether tank is full or not.  It does fall
> to empty when switch is off and also falls to empty when green/black wire at
> sender is grounded on tank ground nut.
>
> Randall mentioned in a recent post
> that the 3 and 4 guages work opposite.  Is there a way to make my 4 guage work
> in my 3?
>
> thanks
>
> gary n.
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Nov 10 21:38:53 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 22:38:53 -0600
Subject: [TR] another fuel guage ?
In-Reply-To: <509F24C8.3040806@uga.edu>
References: <1352597330.95295.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<509F24C8.3040806@uga.edu>
Message-ID: <07EE4C34-4054-44D8-94E1-04C486858648@flash.net>

Ohms should range between 10-90 +\- 10%.

Always bench test the gauge and sending unit together before installation.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 10, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Doug Mathews <mathews at uga.edu> wrote:

Gary,

Could it be the sender in the tank?  I think you can check it with an
ohm meter.
But Randall will give a more complete reponse as usual.

Doug


On 11/10/2012 8:28 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> Am presently trouble shooting 59 tr-3 fuel guage not working.  I get no
> response from needle at all with my original 3 guage.
>
>
>  I had a tr-4 guage
> which I installed instead and found that it DID work, but only goes to full
> and stays there when switch is on, whether tank is full or not.  It does
fall
> to empty when switch is off and also falls to empty when green/black wire
at
> sender is grounded on tank ground nut.
>
> Randall mentioned in a recent post
> that the 3 and 4 guages work opposite.  Is there a way to make my 4 guage
work
> in my 3?
>
> thanks
>
> gary n.
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Nov 10 22:40:04 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:40:04 -0800
Subject: [TR] another fuel guage ?
In-Reply-To: <1352597330.95295.YahooMailNeo@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2F.9C.21565.03A3F905@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> It does fall
> to empty when switch is off and also falls to empty when green/black wire
> at sender is grounded on tank ground nut.

Hmm, I think you've got the gauges backwards.  Your description of how the
"TR4" gauge acts is more consistent with the TR3 gauge.  A TR4 gauge would
show full with the wire at the sender shorted and empty with it
disconnected.  The needle would also move rather slowly, taking many seconds
to sweep across the dial (especially towards full), while the TR3 gauge
snaps to position.

Also sounds like a bad sender.  Check the resistance as Bill described, it
should rise to 90 ohms or so if you hook the lever with a coat hanger and
pull it to the top.

To make a 'real' TR4 gauge work, you only need to change to a TR4 sender
(I'm not certain offhand, but I think it will bolt up to the tank) and
provide a voltage stabilizer to power the gauge.  Without the VS, it will
read about 1/4 tank too high.  You may need to tweak the calibration a bit
to account for the difference in the fuel tank, but probably not.

Randall

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 11 11:54:43 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:54:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
Message-ID: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i try to support T-R-F every opportunity, but their web site and printed literature just confound me.
some time back i seem to recall they had a carburetor kit that used bushings instead of oversize throttle shafts.
as i have a brand new set of throttle shafts that would be a less expensive route.
i can call TRF tomorrow for the part number.
but it seems to me, i would have to ream out a lot more meat than the oversize shafts. no?
has any one used these and if so how did you like?
thanks
Frank

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Nov 11 12:29:42 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:29:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1AA14481-6CA6-446B-BF45-8ED7FCC5B8A5@flash.net>

Or, call Joe Cuerto as TRF does/did get  their kits from him.

You'll have to ream either way but I would go the stock shaft and bush route
if there are no extended circumstances.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 11, 2012, at 12:54 PM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

i try to support T-R-F every opportunity, but their web site and printed
literature just confound me.
some time back i seem to recall they had a carburetor kit that used bushings
instead of oversize throttle shafts.
as i have a brand new set of throttle shafts that would be a less expensive
route.
i can call TRF tomorrow for the part number.
but it seems to me, i would have to ream out a lot more meat than the oversize
shafts. no?
has any one used these and if so how did you like?
thanks
Frank

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 11 13:56:54 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:56:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bFjxnXQnG0puAeNDyVedhO1wrz3YGcZBvAMcs03fo3bxg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i can call TRF tomorrow for the part number.
>


An old TRF catalogue I have shows RFK138 as an H6 kit that 'includes
one pair of shafts and replacement bushes'.

RFK138 <https://secure.zeni.net/trf/trf_desc_results.php>

Perhaps that is what you were recalling?

Geo

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 11 15:06:02 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:06:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bFjxnXQnG0puAeNDyVedhO1wrz3YGcZBvAMcs03fo3bxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CANzE1bFjxnXQnG0puAeNDyVedhO1wrz3YGcZBvAMcs03fo3bxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1352671562.66387.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

thanks Geo
i recall the sell the bushing separate also.
ill call TRF for that
 


________________________________
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To:
Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

i
can call TRF tomorrow for the part number.


An old TRF catalogue I have shows
RFK138 as an H6 kit that 'includes  
one pair of shafts and replacement
bushes'.

RFK138

Perhaps that is what you were recalling?

Geo

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Nov 11 17:25:35 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:25:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40.C5.01425.9F140A05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> some time back i seem to recall they had a carburetor kit that used
> bushings instead of oversize throttle shafts.

RFK138 is the kit with two bushings and one shaft.  I don't know of a full
rebuild kit that includes the bushings.

But the price has gone up until it makes more sense perhaps to just send
them the carbs and let them install the bushings.  A pair of kits is on sale
for $112, while the rebushing service (RBCB101, which includes the kits) is
only $139.

> as i have a brand new set of throttle shafts that would be a less
> expensive route.

The bushings are a standard hardware item I believe.  I'm not sure what
material is in the TRF kit, but it looked like solid bronze rather than
Oilite (about $5 ea @ MMC).  Or it might be entertaining to try something a
little higher tech, like maybe graphite impregnated sintered bronze (under
$1) or Rulon J ($10 but still a lot cheaper than TRF).

> but it seems to me, i would have to ream out a lot more meat than the
> oversize shafts. no?

Quite true.  In my case the wear was more than the oversize shaft would
cover, plus the oversize reamer was way expensive, so I went with the
standard shaft & bushing route.

> has any one used these and if so how did you like?

The bushing installation turned out a lot easier than I had expected.
Lacking the tools to do it right, I cobbled up a center by clamping a piece
of scrap wood in the drill press and using an extra-long 1/4" bit to drill a
hole that I could mount a 5 flute countersink into, as a center.  Then
without moving the press table, I held the carb by hand with one side
against the 'center' while I carefully drilled into the other side.  Used a
drop of Loctite to secure the bushing in the slightly oversize (but not
much) hole.  On the first carb, I had to borrow a 5/16" valve stem reamer;
but the second carb came out perfect without reaming.

I've lost track of when that was, maybe around 1990 or so.  Anyway, those
carbs are still in use (I moved them from the wrecked 3A to the 'new' TR3).

Next time, though, I will use the "backwards reamer" approach.

What they don't tell you is that the new shafts are not drilled for the pins
that locate the throttle stops. Getting those located at just the right
angle, and just the right distance from the throttle plate slot, turned out
to be the hardest part for me.  I just recently realized that the front carb
stop was slightly too far back, and so was not locating the shaft properly
fore/aft, leading to erratic idle rpm (that always seemed to creep up when
the engine was hot).  I added a .010" shim which helped a lot, but I think I
need to go back and recenter the throttle plate again as it still hangs up
just a bit.

Randall

From greg at gelhar.com  Sun Nov 11 17:25:44 2012
From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:25:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352660083.9849.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b37b0922ac9eaeb774e439c5e5148789.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com>

I have installed the throttle shaft bushings with good success. But you
have to have a piloted reamer or a modified reamer with a 5/16 shaft long
enough to pass through both sides of the carb. I do this work on a metal
cutting lathe with slow spindle speeds, Remember not to ream all the way
through. Leave about a sixteenth inch on the butterfly side for each
bushing.

Greg G.
Osseo, MN


> i try to support T-R-F every opportunity, but their web site and printed
> literature just confound me.
> some time back i seem to recall they had a carburetor kit that used
> bushings instead of oversize throttle shafts.
> as i have a brand new set of throttle shafts that would be a less
> expensive route.
> i can call TRF tomorrow for the part number.
> but it seems to me, i would have to ream out a lot more meat than the
> oversize shafts. no?
> has any one used these and if so how did you like?
> thanks
> Frank
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Nov 11 17:42:18 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:42:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <40.C5.01425.9F140A05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B4.CA.21565.4E540A05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> What they don't tell you is that the new shafts are not drilled for the
> pins that locate the throttle stops.

I forgot to mention: Drill for the pins _before_ you cut the shaft to
length.  That way, if you goof, you can turn the shaft end-to-end and try
again.  The extra hole will be hidden under the spring, and won't hurt
anything.  Don't forget to deburr the hole (both sides) before doing a trial
fitting.

Randall

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 13:25:25 2012
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:25:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW: [Marlboro_Raceway] Lanky Foushee arrangements and memorial
 comments
In-Reply-To: <BE59F510-3B81-4E80-A331-C64542629811@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
References: <509E85ED.3030506@sprynet.com>
	<BE59F510-3B81-4E80-A331-C64542629811@grassrootsmotorsports.com>
Message-ID: <009001cdc113$dd8fca60$98af5f20$@gmail.com>

FYi - For those fans of Group 44,  Lankey Foushee, mechanic to the team,
just passed away. See notice below.

Jim Henningsen



 


Please distribute to all our friends. I plan on seeing you there Sunday.


Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr


*

Lawton Langston Foushee, Jr., 75, of Sanford, passed away on November 8,
2012 at Central Carolina Hospital.

He was born on September 18, 1937 to the late Lawton, Sr. and Vera Foushee.

Lawton proudly served in the USAF from 1956-1961.  During his time in the
Air Force he was assigned to "Presidential Aircraft Maintenance" and
specialized in maintenance and trip preparation of aircraft assigned to
convey the President of the United States and high ranking military and
cabinet level civilians.  After his service in the Air Force he went on to
work for a Pontiac dealership and then went on to work for Group 44
racecars, where he later retired from in 1997.

He is survived by his brother; Gerald Ray Foushee; sister, Joan Foushee
Lunsford; niece, Deborah Leigh Lunsford and nephew, Delano A. Lunsford;
great-nieces, Amelia, Deanna and Sara and one great great nephew, Toby
Alian.

A visitation will be held on Sunday from 2:00-4:00PM at the Miller-Boles
Funeral Home in Sanford.  A graveside service will be held on Monday 12:00
noon at Buffalo Cemetery.

Rememberances to: http://millerboles.com/lawton-langston-foushee-jr/

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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 15:52:18 2012
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:52:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
Message-ID: <8CF8F3F803B98C1-B28-42B09@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com>

The car with the problem isn't a Triumph, but the best trouble-shooters are on
this list, so:

A 1952 MG-TD has a very random ignition miss.  Like once or twice every minute
or two.  Duration is not long enough to stall the engine, just make it lumpy,
briefly.

We have a tester connected between one ignition wire and its spark plug and
the little neon lamp skips along with the engine miss. So it's not a fuel
delivery problem, but float levels, air balance and richness are good.  As is
the fuel pump.

New: plugs, wires, rotor, cap, points, condenser and coil.  We eliminated the
ignition switch by jumping directly from the battery to the coil.  Timing set
correctly.  Mechanical advance working smoothly, as tested on distributor
machine.  Compression good in all cylinders and valves adjusted correctly.
When it's running, it runs great but...

Still, the occasional hiccup.  Someone suggested a defective generator, which
might be grounding intermittently, shorting the ignition system.  Is that
possible?
We have not disconnected the generator leads yet, but will try it.

Any other thoughts?

Many thanks.  We have already spent wayyy too much time diagnosing this
problem!

George Haynes

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Mon Nov 12 15:57:42 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:57:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1960 TR3a looks like a good candidate for a restoration.
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIKQyCTMlDBJvgeN6uMrfY8BAAAAAA==@verizon.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Other-2-door-1960-TR3A-/190753036231?
pt=US_Cars_Trucks
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Other-2-door-1960-TR3A-/190753036231
?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c69c457c7> &hash=item2c69c457c7 

has overdrive (not mentioned in description)

 

1960 TR3A with new wiring harness, new brake and clutch master cylinder, new
complete clutch, new electronic ignition, all new hoses, new intake and
exaust valves, new pistons, rings and sleeves, new battery, new steering
head, new distributor, new exhaust. Car comes with wire wheels. Frame solid.
Engine spins like a top but won't start and I don't know why. Needs
interior, top, and paint.

 

Located in NJ so hopefully the hurricane didn't create any issues.

 

NFI

 

Carl

 

 

1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO

 <http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ 

Still being restored - but 2012 looks like the year..

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 17:01:34 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:01:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
In-Reply-To: <8CF8F3F803B98C1-B28-42B09@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8F3F803B98C1-B28-42B09@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <50A18DDE.9010204@bradakis.com>

Try another rotor, we've had ones fresh out of the box cause problems.

Also how much wobble is there in the distributor shaft?

mjb.

From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Nov 12 17:03:49 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:03:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] 1960 TR3a looks like a good candidate for a  restoration.
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIKQyCTMlDBJvgeN6uMrfY8BAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIKQyCTMlDBJvgeN6uMrfY8BAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <B85D2A8FE8D447C48BB991B5719648FA@Datsun>

they painted the engine block red!!!!!!!

-----Original Message----- 
From: Carl TR
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 4:57 PM
To: TR List
Subject: [TR] 1960 TR3a looks like a good candidate for a restoration.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Other-2-door-1960-TR3A-/190753036231?
pt=US_Cars_Trucks
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-Other-2-door-1960-TR3A-/190753036231
?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c69c457c7> &hash=item2c69c457c7

has overdrive (not mentioned in description)



1960 TR3A with new wiring harness, new brake and clutch master cylinder, new
complete clutch, new electronic ignition, all new hoses, new intake and
exaust valves, new pistons, rings and sleeves, new battery, new steering
head, new distributor, new exhaust. Car comes with wire wheels. Frame solid.
Engine spins like a top but won't start and I don't know why. Needs
interior, top, and paint.



Located in NJ so hopefully the hurricane didn't create any issues.



NFI



Carl

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 17:10:33 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:10:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
In-Reply-To: <8CF8F3F803B98C1-B28-42B09@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8F3F803B98C1-B28-42B09@webmail-d137.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <50A18FF9.40309@bradakis.com>

Another thing I just remembered.  We had a Healey in once which 
exhibited the
same sort of symptoms.  After many frustrating hours I found the culprit by
accident.  The wrench in my greasy hand slipped and hit the wire leading 
from
the coil to the distributor.

Engine stopped dead.  Bad crimp in the wire!

mjb.

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 17:15:57 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:15:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] Forum Back
Message-ID: <CANzE1bHQ45pHP1KcpzZpq6rk=NtGbMufFAOHsxWp_n92keBpUA@mail.gmail.com>

In case you haven't checked lately, the BCF has returned in its new
config.  Can never have too much TR talk it seems.

Geo

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 12 17:41:44 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:41:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Nice little note.
Message-ID: <50A19748.1030105@bradakis.com>

This showed up this morning on our local club list:

   There is a small group of old folks that meet for breakfast each day 
at the
   local McDonalds; so about once a week I fire up the MGB and join in with
   them.  Today with the cold air (in the high teens) and some snow at the
   gutters I backed the MGB out of the shop just before daybreak.  It is a
   thrill to hear the engine come to life, to smell the new interior and 
feel
   the strong firm steering as I look out the shortened windscreen.  
Each shift
   of the gears brings a smile to my face as I listen as the RPM 
increase.  I
   am not too sure that life can get any better than this........


Pretty nice sentiment, regardless of the marque.

mjb.

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Nov 12 17:54:50 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:54:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
Message-ID: <1aaaf.a9853fc.3dd2f45a@cs.com>

How about the little wire in the distributor?  If it is intermittently 
contacting the breaker plate bye bye spark.

Dave

In a message dated 11/12/2012 4:52:54 PM Central Standard Time, 
ghaynestr4 at aol.com writes: 
> New: plugs, wires, rotor, cap, points, condenser and coil.  We eliminated 
> the
> ignition switch by jumping directly from the battery to the coil.  

From douglasehamilton at shaw.ca  Mon Nov 12 18:12:07 2012
From: douglasehamilton at shaw.ca (Doug Hamilton)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:12:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1352746803.10543.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <1172336945.17616437.1352769127829.JavaMail.root@cds026>

I haven't been following this thread from the beginning  so I don't know if this has been mentioned but Z Therapy used to do roller throttle shafts with rubber seals for most models of SU carbs. I haven't used them myself but have seen their work and it looks good.
http://www.ztherapy.com/

Doug

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:42:18 -0800
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 carb bushings
Message-ID: <B4.CA.21565.4E540A05 at cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> What they don't tell you is that the new shafts are not drilled for the
> pins that locate the throttle stops.

I forgot to mention: Drill for the pins _before_ you cut the shaft to
length.  That way, if you goof, you can turn the shaft end-to-end and try
again.  The extra hole will be hidden under the spring, and won't hurt
anything.  Don't forget to deburr the hole (both sides) before doing a trial
fitting.

Randall

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Nov 12 18:31:20 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:31:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
In-Reply-To: <1aaaf.a9853fc.3dd2f45a@cs.com>
Message-ID: <20121113013120.0NAXH.198937.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- Dave1massey at cs.com wrote: 
> How about the little wire in the distributor?  If it is intermittently 
> contacting the breaker plate bye bye spark.

I agree, but there are two little wires in the distributor, one from the points to the side terminal and another from the moving point plate to the distributor body.  Either of them can be internally intermittent (conductor broken), while looking fine.  And they both flex when the vacuum changes (the vacuum advance moves), which may close the gap.  The wires are special extra-flexible wire, but you can use ordinary stranded wire as a temporary replacement.

I won't say the generator scenario is impossible, but it strikes me as extremely unlikely.  A healthy battery will put out 1000 amps or more while still supplying enough voltage to run the ignition.  The lead to the generator simply won't carry enough to short out the battery (and will let the smoke out almost instantly if you try).

Wouldn't hurt to check the wire from the dizzy to the coil too, if you haven't already.  It is less prone to fail, but it is still possible.

Randall

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Mon Nov 12 19:12:54 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:12:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
In-Reply-To: <20121113013120.0NAXH.198937.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
References: <20121113013120.0NAXH.198937.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>
Message-ID: <50A1ACA6.8070603@gmail.com>

On 11/12/12 6:31 PM, Randall wrote:
> Wouldn't hurt to check the wire from the dizzy to the coil too, if you 
> haven't already. It is less prone to fail, but it is still possible. 
> Randall
Happened to me once. The wire was evidently damaged during the crimp 
(have since got a proper crimper to replace the multiple whatever 
crimper tool). The constant engine vibrations on the wire cause the wire 
to break inside the insulation.  looked perfect but the ignition 
occasionally missed then as it got worse it missed enough to cut out the 
engine then started right up & acted fine again at an idle. I replaced a 
major part of the ignition before I accidentally bent the wire while the 
engine was running.  From the outside the wire & crimp looked perfect.   
Since then shaking that wire is done early on when troubleshooting a miss.

TeriAnn

From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Nov 12 19:43:57 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:43:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] Grill badges
Message-ID: <306975F21FBD44FE94E59D18927B772C@Vista>

A few weeks ago I floated the idea of doing another run of grill badges for
the Triumph list.  Since the minimum quantity is 25, I would need
substantial demand.  So far only two people have expressed interest.  If
there are others interested in receiving one or more at a cost of $35.00
each, please let me know.  Otherwise, I will not be able to follow through
on the project.

 

Cheers,

Joe Curry

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 12 19:50:53 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:50:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
Message-ID: <1352775053.20886.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 9:15:16 -0500
From: <dmericas at austin.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
Message-ID: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root at hrndva-web02-z01>
Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=utf-8

I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4. I seem
to recall doing this job long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop
manual suggests is required.

Can anyone comment on how hard it is to replace
the MC without removing the brake MC and pedal assembly?

Thanks.

Dean
1965
TR4
-------------------------   
Hi Dean!
Well I did this this past summer for
a friend. you'll need a 1/2" socket (I think that's the size), a Short
Extension, & a Ratchet. Work on the bottom bolt first in removing the MC &
revers it when installing it. Now if you are really patient, you can remove
the circle clip & NOT remove the fork & rod hardware.
 
No IF you feel you
have to remove BOTH, then E-mail me & I'll tell you how to remove the Brake MC
so you Do NOT have to bleed the brake system. 
 
I'm planning on having this
thread (Removing Brake MC without having to bleed the system) in my 2nd
edition of my manual (Cosmo's TR4/A E-mail Repair Manual). I just have to get
around to install pictures for easier comprehension.
-Cosmo Kramer

From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Nov 12 20:22:52 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] door issues
In-Reply-To: <50A19748.1030105@bradakis.com>
References: <50A19748.1030105@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <DC5A5A5D53F845DA936E7381C9CD0083@Datsun>

I actually have a problem with two different cars

first, the 63 tr4, which I acquired about a year ago, and had sat for 20+ 
years in a shed, the driver side door is stuck.  its almost closed, slightly 
ajar.  this happened twice.  the first time, we pulled on the inside door 
handle and it opened.  then it got shut again, and now its stuck.  I'm going 
to guess I have to pull the door panel, and hope I can pull the wire and the 
latch?  any instructions for removing the panel?  never done that.  on any 
car.  ever.

second car - 75 spitfire - (we acquired this car really cheap, runs and 
drives, had to do floorpans, etc.,  and my son is getting it) - the door 
opens and closes just fine.  sort of.  sometimes the external handle works, 
sometimes it doesn't.  the inside always works.  let me guess - another door 
panel to remove?  some adjustment on the outside handle?  or is it the latch 
on the b post?

thanks!

From mmarr at notwires.com  Mon Nov 12 20:44:48 2012
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:44:48 -0600
Subject: [TR] Grill badges
In-Reply-To: <306975F21FBD44FE94E59D18927B772C@Vista>
References: <306975F21FBD44FE94E59D18927B772C@Vista>
Message-ID: <07A35508AE1D4AAA9DC68D5E580A1BCF@PhiSchLSpare101>

I have two of the originals - one in the box, waiting to be installed on the 
3A's grill (probably in 2018 at the rate I am working on it) and one on the 
grill of my F150.  They are very well designed and are a quality product.  I 
can heartily recommend them.

(There, Joe, now you owe me a pint or three...)

Mike

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 8:43 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Grill badges

> A few weeks ago I floated the idea of doing another run of grill badges 
> for
> the Triumph list.  Since the minimum quantity is 25, I would need
> substantial demand.  So far only two people have expressed interest.  If
> there are others interested in receiving one or more at a cost of $35.00
> each, please let me know.  Otherwise, I will not be able to follow through
> on the project.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joe Curry
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> Unsubscribe/Manage: 
> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr at notwires.com 

From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 21:08:02 2012
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:08:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] More: Ignition Hiccup
Message-ID: <8CF8F6B9C143EAB-4E0-46E17@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>

Thanks to all for the assistance with my ignition problem.

First, the MG-TD has no vacuum advance unit, hence no moving points plate and
no small grounding wire inside to fail.
Next, we made up a new low voltage wire from coil to distributor. with loop
connectors soldered at each end.  No joy there.
We'll check out the engine and distributor grounding.

George

From dmericas at austin.rr.com  Tue Nov 13 06:11:29 2012
From: dmericas at austin.rr.com (dmericas at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:11:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
In-Reply-To: <1352775053.20886.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20121113131130.FI9AJ.143739.root@hrndva-web02-z01>

Cosmo --

I did the deed last weekend with no particular drama using a 1/2" socket and
the shortest 1/4" drive ratchet and extension I own.  The greatest challenge
was getting the bottom bolt started for reassembly.  Chasing the threads with
a tap helped.  The suggestion to leave the mounting bolts loose before
attaching the hydraulic line was also very helpful. Since I was replacing the
MC I didn't need to worry about disassembly of the unit itself.

Amazingly, my pressure bleeder cap fit the new MC perfectly and bleeding the
system was a snap.

Thanks again to this community for the technical support.

Dean
1965 TR4
1974 2000 GTV
1976 Giulia Nuova Super 2L

---- Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Message: 5
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 9:15:16 -0500
From: <dmericas at austin.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Replacing clutch master in a TR4
Message-ID: <20121102141517.0K7L3.83907.root at hrndva-web02-z01>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I need to replace the clutch MC in my TR4. I seem to recall doing this job
long ago without taking out the pedal box as the shop manual suggests is
required.

Can anyone comment on how hard it is to replace the MC without removing the
brake MC and pedal assembly?

Thanks.

Dean
1965 TR4
-------------------------B B 
Hi Dean!
Well I did this this past summer for a friend. you'll need a 1/2" socket (I
think that's the size), a Short Extension, & a Ratchet. Work on the bottom
bolt first in removing the MC & revers it when installing it. Now if you are
really patient, you can remove the circle clip & NOT remove the fork & rod
hardware.
B 
No IF you feel you have to remove BOTH, then E-mail me & I'll tell you how to
remove the Brake MC so you Do NOT have to bleed the brake system.
B 
I'm planning on having this thread (Removing Brake MC without having to bleed
the system) in my 2nd edition of my manual (Cosmo's TR4/A E-mail Repair
Manual). I just have to get around to install pictures for easier
comprehension.
-Cosmo Kramer

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Nov 13 10:04:36 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:04:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] More: Ignition Hiccup
In-Reply-To: <8CF8F6B9C143EAB-4E0-46E17@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CF8F6B9C143EAB-4E0-46E17@webmail-m036.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7B1BF315-7F5F-4875-BED8-3F1850559E97@flash.net>

Don't forget to swap out the rotor, even if new.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM, George Haynes <ghaynestr4 at aol.com> wrote:

Thanks to all for the assistance with my ignition problem.

First, the MG-TD has no vacuum advance unit, hence no moving points plate and
no small grounding wire inside to fail.
Next, we made up a new low voltage wire from coil to distributor. with loop
connectors soldered at each end.  No joy there.
We'll check out the engine and distributor grounding.

George

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Nov 13 11:10:41 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:10:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Grill badges
In-Reply-To: <000301cdc189$aa2600b0$fe720210$@charter.net>
References: <306975F21FBD44FE94E59D18927B772C@Vista>
	<000301cdc189$aa2600b0$fe720210$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <C0772A9A93174A84853F6D2EDD028A5C@Vista>

http://spitlist.info/Grill_Badge.JPG

Here is what they look like.

Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson [mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 3:29 AM
To: 'Joe Curry'
Subject: RE: [TR] Grill badges

Joe - For those of us who are  new to the badges, can you reference an
image?

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:44 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Grill badges

A few weeks ago I floated the idea of doing another run of grill badges for
the Triumph list.  Since the minimum quantity is 25, I would need
substantial demand.  So far only two people have expressed interest.  If
there are others interested in receiving one or more at a cost of $35.00
each, please let me know.  Otherwise, I will not be able to follow through
on the project.

 

Cheers,

Joe Curry

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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Tue Nov 13 14:14:36 2012
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:14:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Help with Ignition Hiccup
Message-ID: <38091.2569f231.3dd4123b@aol.com>

Check the spade (or ring) connector at the coil to be sure it's not loose  
or missing a few strands of wire.  If that doesn't help, swap out the rotor  
for a new one....if that doesn't help, swap out the condensor.....all of my 
 "favorite thngs" for gremlin misfires:)
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA 
1962 TR4  CT2052L
 
 
In a message dated 11/12/2012 5:53:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ghaynestr4 at aol.com writes:

Any  other thoughts?

From pfischer at rmi.net  Wed Nov 14 09:26:12 2012
From: pfischer at rmi.net (Pat Fischer)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:26:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Nice little note.
In-Reply-To: <50A19748.1030105@bradakis.com>
References: <50A19748.1030105@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <50A3C624.5090005@rmi.net>

Yes, that IS a nice note! Makes me want to go driving!

Pat

On 11/12/2012 6:41 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> This showed up this morning on our local club list:
>
>   There is a small group of old folks that meet for breakfast each day 
> at the
>   local McDonalds; so about once a week I fire up the MGB and join in 
> with
>   them.  Today with the cold air (in the high teens) and some snow at the
>   gutters I backed the MGB out of the shop just before daybreak. It is a
>   thrill to hear the engine come to life, to smell the new interior 
> and feel
>   the strong firm steering as I look out the shortened windscreen.  
> Each shift
>   of the gears brings a smile to my face as I listen as the RPM 
> increase.  I
>   am not too sure that life can get any better than this........
>
>
> Pretty nice sentiment, regardless of the marque.
>
> mjb.
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 10:15:45 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 09:15:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Ran when parked !!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 10:28:25 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:28:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGMTv5Yg_JH=-ed1EtNkUXfA_Rrn_z527FiVMOwOPAE5A@mail.gmail.com>

Mercy!  The photos of the Titanic showed less rust.

Frank, you should really have a "Viewer Discretion Advised" on a post like
this.

Geo

On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ran when parked !!
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Nov 14 10:38:00 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:38:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGMTv5Yg_JH=-ed1EtNkUXfA_Rrn_z527FiVMOwOPAE5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CANzE1bGMTv5Yg_JH=-ed1EtNkUXfA_Rrn_z527FiVMOwOPAE5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50A3D6F8.2000608@adelphia.net>

And the ad says knock off hubs. I would bet they would have to be cut 
off with a torch.

I have never seen such rust on a 3. I have seen rusted floors, sills, 
frame, trunk, fenders but what can account for the amount of body rust 
here? Was this 3 stored outside near the ocean?

Bob

On 11/14/2012 12:28 PM, Geo Hahn wrote:
> Mercy!  The photos of the Titanic showed less rust.
>
> Frank, you should really have a "Viewer Discretion Advised" on a post like
> this.
>
> Geo
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ran when parked !!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 11:12:09 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 10:12:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGMTv5Yg_JH=-ed1EtNkUXfA_Rrn_z527FiVMOwOPAE5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CANzE1bGMTv5Yg_JH=-ed1EtNkUXfA_Rrn_z527FiVMOwOPAE5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1352916729.75451.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

laughing
"warning, not suitable for children, women and old men"

From: Geo
Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> 
Cc:
Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] (no subject)


Mercy!  The photos of the Titanic showed less
rust.

Frank, you should really have a "Viewer Discretion Advised" on a post
like this.

Geo


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher
<yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Ran when parked !!
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheel
s-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc5
59370&vxp=mtr

From levilevi at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 11:25:37 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:25:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <94331560-5190-4F0B-8ACD-D4E2F761AAE1@comcast.net>

Surprising that the $0.99 bid didn't meet the reserve.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:

> Ran when parked !!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr
>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 11:31:45 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:31:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <94331560-5190-4F0B-8ACD-D4E2F761AAE1@comcast.net>
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	<94331560-5190-4F0B-8ACD-D4E2F761AAE1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <6513E585-53D3-4780-9663-6EC1094BC94E@comcast.net>

I missed the car dollies. They are at least worth something if they  
are included.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Bud Rolofson wrote:

> Surprising that the $0.99 bid didn't meet the reserve.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:
>
>> Ran when parked !!
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr
>>
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From bkahler1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 14 11:38:34 2012
From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (=?utf-8?B?QnJhZCBLYWhsZXI=?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:38:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=28no_subject=29?=
Message-ID: <50a3e52b.0b2f650a.33f4.ffffefc6@mx.google.com>

Diamond in the rough :)

Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T

----- Reply message -----
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Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Date: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:15 pm


Ran when parked !!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Nov 14 11:50:05 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:50:05 -0600
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <50a3e52b.0b2f650a.33f4.ffffefc6@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <8D38877527AF47169D619CE93A7248DB@Datsun>

the best part is the $500 deposit required.  there's not $500 worth of parts
on this thing.  in fact, I'm not sure there's $500 worth of scrap metal.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brad Kahler
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:38 PM
To: Frank Fisher ; Triumphs ; Paul and Hope Burrows ; Curt McDowell
Subject: Re: [TR] (no subject)

Diamond in the rough :)

Sent from my HTC Inspireb" 4G on AT&T

----- Reply message -----
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To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "Paul and Hope Burrows"
<pacburrows at aol.com>, "Curt McDowell" <curtmcdowell at yahoo.com>
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Date: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 12:15 pm 

From davewillner at pa.net  Wed Nov 14 12:17:50 2012
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:17:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C81170728D294591986669F4EA5A7E39@home45dd83c8be>

I bet it was the fluid that ran, not the engine...

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>; "Paul and Hope Burrows" 
<pacburrows at aol.com>; "Curt McDowell" <curtmcdowell at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: [TR] (no subject)


> Ran when parked !!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 12:20:34 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 11:20:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <C81170728D294591986669F4EA5A7E39@home45dd83c8be>
References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<C81170728D294591986669F4EA5A7E39@home45dd83c8be>
Message-ID: <1352920834.47956.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

ROFLMAO


From: davewillner <davewillner at pa.net>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Paul and Hope Burrows <pacburrows at aol.com>; Curt McDowell <curtmcdowell at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] (no subject)

I bet it was the fluid that ran, not the engine...

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: [TR] (no subject)


> Ran when parked !!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 12:25:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:25:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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Amazingly enough this car would have won 1st place at VTR this year in  
the Participants Choice TR2/TR3 (smallmouth) category since there was  
not another car entered in that category. I know because I counted  
cars in the PC categories for Beverly Floyd so she count figure out  
how many awards to give in each category. So we're talking about a  
potential award winning car here. Think trailer queen.   :)


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:

> Ran when parked !!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr
>
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Nov 14 12:28:21 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:28:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=28no_subject=29?=
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1352921242.30670.triumphs@autox.team.net>

The listing has been removed.
Probably because of embarrassment!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Bob Labuz" <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Date: Wed, Nov 14, 2012 11:38


And the ad says knock off hubs. I would bet they would have to be cut off with a torch.

I have never seen such rust on a 3. I have seen rusted floors, sills, frame, trunk, fenders but what can account for the amount of body rust here? Was this 3 stored outside near the ocean?

Bob

On 11/14/2012 12:28 PM, Geo Hahn wrote:
> Mercy!  The photos of the Titanic showed less rust.
>
> Frank, you should really have a "Viewer Discretion Advised" on a post like
> this.
>
> Geo
>
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ran when parked !!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc559370&vxp=mtr

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Nov 14 12:33:41 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:33:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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References: <1352913345.12162.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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In spite of its flaws, I'm considering doubling, or even tripling the 
current bid.

mjb.

From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Nov 14 12:48:25 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:48:25 -0600
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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Trailer Queen?  Think, rail yard bum.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 14, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

Amazingly enough this car would have won 1st place at VTR this year in
the Participants Choice TR2/TR3 (smallmouth) category since there was
not another car entered in that category. I know because I counted
cars in the PC categories for Beverly Floyd so she count figure out
how many awards to give in each category. So we're talking about a
potential award winning car here. Think trailer queen.   :)


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:

> Ran when parked !!
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels
-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc55
9370&vxp=mtr
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Nov 14 12:55:09 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:55:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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	<94331560-5190-4F0B-8ACD-D4E2F761AAE1@comcast.net>
	<6513E585-53D3-4780-9663-6EC1094BC94E@comcast.net>
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Car dollies not included.

I wish this posting was up last month during Moss's "Spot a Rotter" contest, a
sure winner. Along with the VTR PC award this could have been quite a trophy
car.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 14, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

I missed the car dollies. They are at least worth something if they
are included.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 14, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Bud Rolofson wrote:

> Surprising that the $0.99 bid didn't meet the reserve.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2012, at 10:15 AM, Frank Fisher wrote:
>
>> Ran when parked !!
>>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels
-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc55
9370&vxp=mtr
>>
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From Michael.Mack at redcross.org  Wed Nov 14 13:09:14 2012
From: Michael.Mack at redcross.org (Mack, Michael (Rochester))
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 20:09:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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I'd call it a Survivor, but really...

Mike Mack - TR8, TR7, Stag, Spit

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:16 PM
To: Triumphs; Paul and Hope Burrows; Curt McDowell
Subject: [TR] (no subject)

Ran when parked !!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels
-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc55
9370&vxp=mtr

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From l1j1s at aol.com  Wed Nov 14 13:47:35 2012
From: l1j1s at aol.com (Lawrence Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:47:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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Guys, have a heart here. Larry Schwartz

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 14, 2012, at 3:09 PM, "Mack, Michael (Rochester)"
<Michael.Mack at redcross.org> wrote:

> I'd call it a Survivor, but really...
>
> Mike Mack - TR8, TR7, Stag, Spit
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 12:16 PM
> To: Triumphs; Paul and Hope Burrows; Curt McDowell
> Subject: [TR] (no subject)
>
> Ran when parked !!
>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Triumph-TR3-convertible-small-mouth-spoke-wheels
>
-w-factory-knock-off-hubs-/261126198128?pt=Salvage_Parts_Cars&hash=item3ccc55
> 9370&vxp=mtr
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov 14 16:44:07 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:44:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20121114194357.09AD62D0901@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <74.90.00785.BBC24A05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> The listing has been removed.
> Probably because of embarrassment!

Still shows up for me.  Try 

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov 14 16:46:00 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:46:00 -0800
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <20121114194357.09AD62D0901@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <46.A2.00785.C2D24A05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> The listing has been removed.
> Probably because of embarrassment!

It still shows up for me.  Try
http://goo.gl/fF0Zx

(Sorry for the incomplete post before)
Randall

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 14 16:59:25 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:59:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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still shows up for me 2
and some one thinks its worth 66.00

From: Randall
<TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: spook01 at comcast.net; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent:
Wednesday, November 14, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] (no subject)

> The
listing has been removed.
> Probably because of embarrassment!

It still shows
up for me.  Try
http://goo.gl/fF0Zx

(Sorry for the incomplete post before)
Randall

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From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Thu Nov 15 15:18:07 2012
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:18:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] need 2 TR4 door pull handle spire nuts
Message-ID: <50A56A1F.5080507@blacksburg.net>

Folks,

My '63 TR4 lacks 2 spire nuts which secure the door pull handles.  
Here's the wrinkle: the holes measure 0.25 square, not 3/8" (yes, they 
were made that way, not a DPO issue).  Moss' spire nuts measure 3/8" and 
TRF no longer has a supplier.

Anyone out there in Triumph land have a pair to spare?

TIA

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Nov 15 16:32:07 2012
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:32:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] need 2 TR4 door pull handle spire nuts
In-Reply-To: <50A56A1F.5080507@blacksburg.net>
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Message-ID: <F30ECCD8FE3B4C69B5BA8D00F2C78944@BobDell>

When I made the interior panels for my TR6, I opted for the TR4 door 
pulls.......... much classier. The old TR6 center door pull used a plastic 
square nut (Moss#226-030) that fit perfectly into the holes in the door for 
the TR4 door pulls.  About 1/2 way down this page 
(http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/InteriorPanelInstall3.htm) you'll see what 
they look like and how they fit.

Bob


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/

1975 TR6 modified with:
-Throttle Body Injection
-Toyota 5 Speed
-Nissan Differential
-AAW Wire Harness
-CVJs... and more

-----Original Message----- 
From: J.C. Hassall
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 5:18 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] need 2 TR4 door pull handle spire nuts

Folks,

My '63 TR4 lacks 2 spire nuts which secure the door pull handles.
Here's the wrinkle: the holes measure 0.25 square, not 3/8" (yes, they
were made that way, not a DPO issue).  Moss' spire nuts measure 3/8" and
TRF no longer has a supplier.

Anyone out there in Triumph land have a pair to spare?

TIA

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Thu Nov 15 10:23:44 2012
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:23:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] DMV inspection this morning
Message-ID: <1353000224.30938.YahooMailNeo@web141006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Took the TR6 this morning to a new place for its annual inspection because
winter storage time is very close at hand.  I might still squeeze in a day or
two of late fall driving locally, but there's snow only an hour away in the
mountains.  
 
Spent half the time explaining to the shop crew the car's
history, how it's different ("no there's not a catalytic converter"), and that
it can be quirky ("yes the directions do run that slow").  Felt quite old
(carbs?) explaining it all.  And although it passed with flying colors,
there's still that uneasy feeling that something will get uncovered that you
didn't know about.  Only down side was that it looks like we only drove 2K
miles this year.  I felt bad, and I promised the car that we'd get out more
next year. 
 
Joe Merone
South Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Nov 19 05:40:20 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 07:40:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] fuel gage
Message-ID: <abc9.177777f7.3ddb82b4@cs.com>

The classic test is to remove the wire from the sending unit and ground it 
and see if the gauge moves.  If it does it eliminates just about everything 
else in the circuit including the wire run from the tank.

Odds are it is the sending unit.  That is the most common failure.  Either 
that or the electrical connections.  Check them as well.  That would be the 
cheap fix if that is what it is.  There is the connection to the tank and 
the ground connection.  Both are important.

Dave

In a message dated 11/18/2012 9:11:54 PM Central Standard Time, 
dave at ranteer.com writes: 
> hi, all.
> 
> wiring diagram says power goes from the ignition switch to the fuse to the
> voltage stabilizer
> 
> from the voltage stabilizer to both the temp gage and the fuel gage
> 
> from the fuel gage to the tank sending unit to ground.
> 
> the temp gage works, so its not the fuse or the voltage stabilizer, right?
> 
> could be the gage or the sending unit.
> 
> I should get power (what b about 11 volts?) to the gage, and then check 
> the
> sending unit.
> 
> so I can test the gage by grounding it directly?  and seeing if it moves,
> which it doesnbt at all.

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Nov 20 17:28:04 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:28:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 steering column and gearbox mount
Message-ID: <00b501cdc77f$133e33b0$39ba9b10$@uprichard.net>

Question:  does a one-piece steering column have any securing pieces between
the large rubber grommet at the firewall and the steering box itself?  Also,
what is the purpose of the welded bolt which protrudes from the front of the
gearbox mount crossmember?  Really appreciate the help.  Thanks!

 

Andrew Uprichard

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Nov 20 18:42:29 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 17:42:29 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 steering column and gearbox mount
In-Reply-To: <00b501cdc77f$133e33b0$39ba9b10$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <BF.E1.21565.C713CA05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Question:  does a one-piece steering column have any securing pieces
> between
> the large rubber grommet at the firewall and the steering box itself?

No.  The later 2-piece columns have several, but the one piece doesn't.

> what is the purpose of the welded bolt

Sorry, no idea.  Mine just has a hole there.

-- Randall 

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 20 21:17:58 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 20:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
Message-ID: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Am wondering if there is a source for renovating tr-3 wiper motors?

thanks

gary n.

From greg at gelhar.com  Tue Nov 20 23:55:43 2012
From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 01:55:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
In-Reply-To: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dee65b204c6fc3d0169d5094e8b6adaf.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com>

Gary, you don't say what the problem is, but most often, the wiper motor
suffers from old dried and hardened grease. Unless the armature is burnt,
a good cleaning with new grease solves a lot of issues.

Greg G.
Osseo, MN




> Am wondering if there is a source for renovating tr-3 wiper motors?
>
> thanks
>
> gary n.
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Nov 21 12:44:54 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:44:54 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 steering column and gearbox mount
In-Reply-To: <00b501cdc77f$133e33b0$39ba9b10$@uprichard.net>
References: <00b501cdc77f$133e33b0$39ba9b10$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <37292C3C3BC34933BCEB27F8AD158C39@bboffice>

<<<Question:  does a one-piece steering column have any securing pieces
between the large rubber grommet at the firewall and the steering box
itself?  Also, what is the purpose of the welded bolt which protrudes from
the front of the gearbox mount cross member?  Really appreciate the
help.>>>>

Andrew,
On a one-piece shaft the is no support between the firewall and the steering
box.
If it is the welded bolt like mine then it is for the safety brake to mount
onto.
Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti

From trdoctor at aol.com  Wed Nov 21 13:12:25 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 14:12:25 -0600
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18.1353524403.27956.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.18.1353524403.27956.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <37BDF110-1587-4A14-B664-4684CC8320F2@aol.com>

Find a local auto electric shop that rebuilds starters and such.  The one here
locally does all sorts of rebuilds and armature rewinds, etc.
Good Luck
Sam
On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:

> From: Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] wiper motor
>
>
> Am wondering if there is a source for renovating tr-3 wiper motors?
>
> thanks
>
> gary n.

From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 15:11:24 2012
From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:11:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
In-Reply-To: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1118902844.440000.1353535884806.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

>Am wondering if there is a source for renovating tr-3 wiper motors?

Gary, it's been ten years since I restored mine, but do recall it's not really that complicated.  Like others commented, the grease was, well, very very old.  Because the cogged wheel inside is plastic, I used silicone grease.  Maybe the plastic is nylon or something, so maybe I didn't have to, but it seemed safer.  List Engineers here could advise better on that one.  

I seem to think I was able to source brushes that fit from a local hardware store that had an eclectic mix of such things, but I may be mixing it up with the heater motor when I redid that.  I was, though, fortunate enough to scarf up an NOS armature.  Probably didn't need to since I only drive in the rain when the lying weasels that pass for WMUR weathermen leave me caught in a downpour.  

If you get this far into it, I had some problem with one of the tubes that houses the wiper cable assembly under the dash. I think I lost it.  A piece of gas line matched for size and cut to length seemed to work.  

Have fun!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire

From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Nov 21 15:23:17 2012
From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] General topics
In-Reply-To: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1865680048.440318.1353536597693.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Rebuilt the engine on the TR3A this spring.  Four point five thousand miles and it, well, just feels like the engine is loosening up when I throttle down beyond 3500 rpms.  (I've pretty much kept it between 2500 and 3300 til now.)  

Thing is, with less th an 3.5 miles on it, the car was overheating this summer in 80 plus degree weather, when driven at a consistent 3,000 RPM.  Nothing major, just to the 200-210 degree mark where it pretty much hovered.  

Question:  would this be the new tight engine?  Note that I put in a brand new radiator from Roadster Factory last year.  Timing is spot on.  Valves are adjusted right.  Note also that the car runs actually cold at about 165 in this Fall weather of 35 to 50 degrees.  It has a 185 thermostat.

Thank you all.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 09:52:19 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:52:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
Message-ID: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>

I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 10:04:18 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:04:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bH0ZdtW6EBUr+j9txfYK+Gs=YwwkUqZ1SkK6=-mmGSuwg@mail.gmail.com>

Sam -

I run MT90 in the OD box and 75W90NS in the non-OD box.

Not sure there really is a consensus -- but certain to be lots of opinions.

Geo

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Sam <trdoctor at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what
> the
> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6
> and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 10:15:33 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:15:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bH0ZdtW6EBUr+j9txfYK+Gs=YwwkUqZ1SkK6=-mmGSuwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<CANzE1bH0ZdtW6EBUr+j9txfYK+Gs=YwwkUqZ1SkK6=-mmGSuwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5F0AE111-F2AB-4DE7-A064-43885EAAAB73@aol.com>

On Nov 22, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sam -
>
> I run MT90 in the OD box and 75W90NS in the non-OD box.
>
> Not sure there really is a consensus -- but certain to be lots of opinions.
Thanks for the response.  Somehow I ended up with a quart of MTL and was
wondering what to do with it.  I am currently using MT90.  Are they compatible
or should I just go see if the speed shop I bought it from will exchange it?
Sam

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 22 10:31:39 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 09:31:39 -0800
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A4.41.01425.F616EA05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?

The OD works on oil pressure, and using thinner oil will reduce the pressure
under some circumstances.  Might not be an issue, depending on how well your
unit holds pressure, but why take the chance?  Both Redline and Triumph (BL)
recommend 90 weight.  The TR6 box also has a known weakness in the thrust
washers, and the heavier oil may help protect them. Anyway, I use MT-90 in
all my street Triumphs and I'm very happy with it.

But the difference is not large (roughly the same as 30 weight motor oil to
40 weight) so it may actually make no difference at all.  If I were going
racing, I'd probably try the MTL (for very slightly less parasitic loss).

YMMV
-- Randall 

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 12:02:57 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:02:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
In-Reply-To: <1118902844.440000.1353535884806.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1353471478.11066.YahooMailNeo@web120604.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1118902844.440000.1353535884806.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOK+LbBqQeOb=gKWbgR8sxirHJynYN+oBf=mQxUta+QQg@mail.gmail.com>

I took the tr2 wiper box apart and it was locked solid with hardened
grease. Cleaning and synthetic grease- works great!

From Loumetelko at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 13:54:12 2012
From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:54:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] wiper motor
Message-ID: <2f841.9a538c1.3ddfeaf3@aol.com>

I took the tr2 wiper box apart and it was locked solid with  hardened
grease. Cleaning and synthetic grease- works great!



Chris:
Like I, you probably have the stock 2 speed version (slow and  stop)!  The 
wiper blades are just for ornaments since I use Rain-X for the  unplanned 
times we are caught out. 
 
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana

From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Nov 22 15:25:35 2012
From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave Massey)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:25:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CF97176CE2ACB8-16D0-9B39@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

 I've been running MTL in my J-type TR6 for many years with no issues.  The
only time the OD stops engaging ws when the level gets low.



Dave Massey






-----Original Message-----
From: Sam <trdoctor at aol.com>


I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to know what
the
consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in a TR6 and
regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!

From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Nov 22 19:03:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 19:03:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>

I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for  
15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of  
recommendations from this great list.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:

> I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to  
> know what the
> consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in  
> a TR6 and
> regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
>
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From bjzwissler at gmail.com  Thu Nov 22 19:54:43 2012
From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Benjamin Zwissler)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:54:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 456
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1353610803.8852.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13.1353610803.8852.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAMHq6Zz=Qy_829a9vMiOhYi=gLNQCoJ4UzS4UcQQ=gXqNrzb-Q@mail.gmail.com>

OK, not sure I'd attribute it to a "tight" engine after a rebuild.  You're
saying its staying at 200-210 in 80+ weather regardless of operating
condition?  Idling in traffic, cruising at freeway speed, >90F ambient?
 You won't blow the cap until you exceed 215F (212 plus about 1F for each
pound of cap pressure) - so that's pretty warm, but not really overheating
yet.  It didn't do this before the rebuild?  Did you ever blow the
cap?  How are you determining the temperature?  Using the dash gauge?  If
so, have you verified it with another measuring device?  An infrared
thermometer on the t-stat housing is easy.

With an all stock system with a few thousand miles since a rebuild I rarely
get above 1/2 on the gauge on my TR4A and that seems to be below 200 when
checked with an infrared thermometer a the t-stat housing.  In my
experience a "normal" system will be coolest when moving and warm up most
when idling in traffic.  >90F ambients will challenge a stock system with
extended idling. If you have insufficient cooling capacity (blockage in rad
or block, eroded pump vanes, etc.) it'll heat up when you're at speed, too.


If you've got a new radiator, a new water pump, and the clean block water
passages that you should have after a rebuild and you're showing high temps
under all conditions but not getting the cap blowing off,  I'd suspect your
system is normal and the gauge is wrong.  Only other cause could be a
faulty t-stat.  According to the Stant website a tstat will start to open
at the rated temperature +/- 2 degrees and be fully open at 15-20 above
that.  So, fully open for a 185 stat is 200-205F, so again that says temps
in the range your saying may be normal given some error on the gauge. Once
the stat is fully open your temp is out of "control" and will vary with
engine load and air flow.

Ben.....



On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 2:00 PM, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:23:17 +0000 (UTC)
> From: terryrs at comcast.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] General topics
> Message-ID:
>         <
> 1865680048.440318.1353536597693.JavaMail.root at sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net
> >
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Rebuilt the engine on the TR3A this spring.  Four point five thousand
> miles and it, well, just feels like the engine is loosening up when I
> throttle down beyond 3500 rpms.  (I've pretty much kept it between 2500 and
> 3300 til now.)
>
> Thing is, with less th an 3.5 miles on it, the car was overheating this
> summer in 80 plus degree weather, when driven at a consistent 3,000 RPM.
>  Nothing major, just to the 200-210 degree mark where it pretty much
> hovered.
>
> Question:  would this be the new tight engine?  Note that I put in a brand
> new radiator from Roadster Factory last year.  Timing is spot on.  Valves
> are adjusted right.  Note also that the car runs actually cold at about 165
> in this Fall weather of 35 to 50 degrees.  It has a 185 thermostat.
>
> Thank you all.
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire

From dctr6 at optonline.net  Thu Nov 22 20:44:26 2012
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (Dennis Culligan)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:44:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Completely off topic - Volvo P1800
Message-ID: <000001cdc92c$d5e8f310$81bad930$@net>

Sorry for the off topic post but I couldn't find a Volvo list on team.net.
I'm going for a 2nd 

look at a 1967 Volvo P1800S tomorrow and hoped that somebody could tell me
what the 

trouble spots are to look for. It was restored in 1997 (with over 300,000
miles on it) by the 

original owner but has been driven relatively little since (he died in
2000).  It's been sitting 

inside in a garage since. Battery and carbs are missing so obviously the
engine does not run. 

Was told it "ran when parked" (famous last words?).  Car looks very
straight,  floors and trunk 

are clean as a whistle, chrome is good. What else should I be looking for?
Any and all help 

will be appreciated.  Thanks. 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 22 21:24:22 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Bbeecher@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:24:22 -0600
Subject: [TR] Completely off topic - Volvo P1800
In-Reply-To: <000001cdc92c$d5e8f310$81bad930$@net>
References: <000001cdc92c$d5e8f310$81bad930$@net>
Message-ID: <D1B33FBB-77BA-49ED-92D2-5AE1A331A479@flash.net>

Rust, as usual, look in all the fender wells as well as the door sills. The
one I had was rusty around the unibody supports out the the sills so look
underneath.

Engine/trans, 1800 if i remember correctly, is a good solid unit should be
checked on every normal way.  Compression & oil leaks just like the
Britmobile.

Fun car, wish I had mine back.


Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:44 PM, Dennis Culligan <dctr6 at optonline.net> wrote:

Sorry for the off topic post but I couldn't find a Volvo list on team.net.
I'm going for a 2nd

look at a 1967 Volvo P1800S tomorrow and hoped that somebody could tell me
what the

trouble spots are to look for. It was restored in 1997 (with over 300,000
miles on it) by the

original owner but has been driven relatively little since (he died in
2000).  It's been sitting

inside in a garage since. Battery and carbs are missing so obviously the
engine does not run.

Was told it "ran when parked" (famous last words?).  Car looks very
straight,  floors and trunk

are clean as a whistle, chrome is good. What else should I be looking for?
Any and all help

will be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 22 23:42:32 2012
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 22:42:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Completely off topic - Volvo P1800
In-Reply-To: <000001cdc92c$d5e8f310$81bad930$@net>
References: <000001cdc92c$d5e8f310$81bad930$@net>
Message-ID: <1353652952.71477.YahooMailNeo@web120705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Look for ANY sign of rust/repair/corrosion on the rockers....especially near
the base of the "A" post.  These cars have a lot of "laminated" metal areas
that are a b*itch to repair properly if the tin worm has taken hold.
 
Chad in
Tulsa
 

________________________________
 From: Dennis Culligan
<dctr6 at optonline.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Thursday, November
22, 2012 9:44 PM
Subject: [TR] Completely off topic - Volvo P1800
  
Sorry for
the off topic post but I couldn't find a Volvo list on team.net.
I'm going for
a 2nd 

look at a 1967 Volvo P1800S tomorrow and hoped that somebody could
tell me
what the 

trouble spots are to look for. It was restored in 1997
(with over 300,000
miles on it) by the 

original owner but has been driven
relatively little since (he died in
2000).  It's been sitting 

inside in a
garage since. Battery and carbs are missing so obviously the
engine does not
run. 

Was told it "ran when parked" (famous last words?).  Car looks very
straight,  floors and trunk 

are clean as a whistle, chrome is good. What
else should I be looking for?
Any and all help 

will be appreciated.  Thanks.
Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Nov 23 20:10:56 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 19:10:56 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 steering column and gearbox mount
Message-ID: <39.D9.00785.FBA30B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

My apologies, Andrew.  I had totally forgotten about the bracket that
fastens the column to the front side of the shock tower.  It's pretty much
impossible to see until you get the apron off, but when I started to pull
the column today, there it was.

http://goo.gl/3OqB0

-- Randall 

From agraham at execulink.com  Sat Nov 24 10:45:54 2012
From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:45:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 steering column and gearbox mount
Message-ID: <50B107D2.1060003@execulink.com>

Hello Randall &List:
Just wondering about the steering column mount that Randall identified 
in his photo. Was it an addition a bit later in the production run? I 
have a very original (and I think unmolested) TR2 and this mount is 
nowhere to be seen. Looks like it might be a bolt on addition added at a 
later date? Wondering as well, how important it might be to stiffen up 
the column and prevent some of the inevitable flex in the column?
Thanks for any insights.
Angelo Graham

From timipurdy at citlink.net  Sat Nov 24 19:03:55 2012
From: timipurdy at citlink.net (Tim Purdy)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 18:03:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>

I am still going through a living hell, in putting together my 1964 TR4 back
together when it got wrecked while parked--the damage was to the body, bonnet,
fender, etc, not frame or engine, but a slight ding to the radiator.  Anyhow,
the other day, I was asked a most refreshing question, instead of the status
its been 5 1/2 months since the wreck.

The question was, how many TR4's are still on the road. I have not a clue. I
will add a second question, though I could probably research it, yet I bet
that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s were produced?

Tim Purdy
Susanville, CA

From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 24 20:03:42 2012
From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 20:03:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>
References: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <D30C27E67D6549ED9BA0EDB2190E6AC2@Shemp>

Sorry for your troubles, Tim.

40304 if the production line didn't skip numbers.

http://www.vtr.org/TR4/TR4-production.shtml

Cliff


-----Original Message----- 
From: Tim Purdy
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:03 PM
To: TR List
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?

I am still going through a living hell, in putting together my 1964 TR4 back
together when it got wrecked while parked--the damage was to the body, 
bonnet,
fender, etc, not frame or engine, but a slight ding to the radiator. 
Anyhow,
the other day, I was asked a most refreshing question, instead of the status
its been 5 1/2 months since the wreck.

The question was, how many TR4's are still on the road. I have not a clue. I
will add a second question, though I could probably research it, yet I bet
that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s were produced?

Tim Purdy
Susanville, CA

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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Nov 25 00:32:49 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 07:32:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <D30C27E67D6549ED9BA0EDB2190E6AC2@Shemp>
References: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>
	<D30C27E67D6549ED9BA0EDB2190E6AC2@Shemp>
Message-ID: <1353828769.47966.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

40304 sounds highly likely. My own figures culled some years ago from BMIHT
shows 68713 to include TR4A in what we used to call "fully built up"
condition. In other words, the cars were built in their entirity. However,
these figures are by no means final and while probably representing the bulk
of finished cars out of Coventry, they *exclude* the kits built in Belgium for
all EU markets, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand. Coventry did not keep
commission number info, with a 1 to 12 prefix and regarded as 12 separately
numbered ranges on overseas built units. All that info mostly vanished when
the various assembly plants were closed.
The only place where I know that
information is still likely to be available in an archive is in London and one
has to be a motor manufacturer to access it - even for simple historical
research.

Jonmac


http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk
>________________________________
> From: Cliff Hansen
<cliff_hansen at earthlink.net>
>To: Tim Purdy <timipurdy at citlink.net>; TR List
<triumphs at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 3:03
>Subject: Re:
[TR] How many TR4s are there?
>  
>Sorry for your troubles, Tim.
>
>40304 if
the production line didn't skip numbers.
>
>http://www.vtr.org/TR4/TR4-production.shtml
>
>Cliff
>
>
>-----Original
Message----- From: Tim Purdy
>Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 7:03 PM
>To:
TR List
>Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
>
>I am still going through a
living hell, in putting together my 1964 TR4 back
>together when it got
wrecked while parked--the damage was to the body, bonnet,
>fender, etc, not
frame or engine, but a slight ding to the radiator. Anyhow,
>the other day, I
was asked a most refreshing question, instead of the status
>its been 5 1/2
months since the wreck.
>
>The question was, how many TR4's are still on the
road. I have not a clue. I
>will add a second question, though I could
probably research it, yet I bet
>that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s
were produced?
>
>Tim Purdy
>Susanville, CA
>
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From suhringtr36 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 08:44:03 2012
From: suhringtr36 at comcast.net (suhringtr36 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 15:44:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
Message-ID: <943618231.541364.1353858243148.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I am going to be doing some adjustments on my 59 TR3A over the winter. One task on the list is the alignment of my steering wheel. When I am driving straight, my steering wheel is off center to the left by a good 20 degrees. I have a split shaft column.  Is this corrected as simply as undoing the clamp on the split column and rotating the upper column in tack to align the wheel and then reclamping the split, or is there more to the process?  Do I need to disengage the stator tube first? Thanks.

Scott Suhring
Mechanicsburg, PA
'70 TR6
'59 TR3A

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Nov 25 08:53:29 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:53:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>
References: <56B49FA2-32C2-4213-A8B0-9E1A77418741@citlink.net>
Message-ID: <50B23EF9.8010706@adelphia.net>

Tim,

I would speculate that maybe 10% to 20% of the original production.

The 4 did not do well up here in the northeast with all the salt/sand 
used during winter. On top of that, accidents took quite a few I would 
guess.

I have had my 63 on the road 4 seasons now since restoration and I have 
only seen 1 in all the shows/car hops I attend. I see a few 3s, many 6s, 
Spitfires, and even a GT6 or 2 but the 4s and even the 4As are few and 
far between.

I was at Watkins Glen a few years back in the 3 during the Fall vintage 
races. Triumph was the featured mark and the only 4 I could remember 
seeing was Matt's, from Triumph Rescue, red 4 under the tent. There were 
many other Triumphs but not the 4.
Same in the parking areas. The 6 was the most popular followed by the 3.

Good luck on your repairs.

Bob

  On 11/24/2012 09:03 PM, Tim Purdy wrote:
> I am still going through a living hell, in putting together my 1964 TR4 back
> together when it got wrecked while parked--the damage was to the body, bonnet,
> fender, etc, not frame or engine, but a slight ding to the radiator.  Anyhow,
> the other day, I was asked a most refreshing question, instead of the status
> its been 5 1/2 months since the wreck.
>
> The question was, how many TR4's are still on the road. I have not a clue. I
> will add a second question, though I could probably research it, yet I bet
> that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s were produced?
>
> Tim Purdy
> Susanville, CA

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 09:29:22 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:29:22 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <50B23EF9.8010706@adelphia.net>
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	<50B23EF9.8010706@adelphia.net>
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I agree with Bob, there was a time when people were restoring TR3s, TR6s 
were often 2nd cars and they led sheltered lives, but many survived in good 
shape for many years (I know many didn't but still I think a higher 
percentage the the 4, and 4a).  In the late 80s and early nineties when I 
went to shows the TR3s and TR6s outnumbered the TR5s by 4 or 5 to 1 or more. 
People have certainly started to save and restore the TR4s at a higher rate, 
but I still don't think as manysurvived the bottom of the depreciation curve 
used car years as the earlier or later cars.

Nothing scientific, just my observations over the years going to shows in 
the midwest and being an off again on again Michelotti TR owner.

Greg Lemon 

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Nov 25 09:52:43 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Bbeecher@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:52:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
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Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:44 AM, suhringtr36 at comcast.net wrote:

I am going to be doing some adjustments on my 59 TR3A over the winter. One
task on the list is the alignment of my steering wheel. When I am driving
straight, my steering wheel is off center to the left by a good 20 degrees. I
have a split shaft column.  Is this corrected as simply as undoing the clamp
on the split column and rotating the upper column in tack to align the wheel
and then reclamping the split, or is there more to the process?  Do I need to
disengage the stator tube first? Thanks.

Scott Suhring
Mechanicsburg, PA
'70 TR6
'59 TR3A

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Nov 25 09:59:42 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Bbeecher@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:59:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
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When they align the front end they straighten to wheel.   I tried moving the
wheel over on the splines, but it never worked out.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 25, 2012, at 10:52 AM, "Bbeecher at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:



Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 25, 2012, at 9:44 AM, suhringtr36 at comcast.net wrote:

I am going to be doing some adjustments on my 59 TR3A over the winter. One
task on the list is the alignment of my steering wheel. When I am driving
straight, my steering wheel is off center to the left by a good 20 degrees. I
have a split shaft column.  Is this corrected as simply as undoing the clamp
on the split column and rotating the upper column in tack to align the wheel
and then reclamping the split, or is there more to the process?  Do I need to
disengage the stator tube first? Thanks.

Scott Suhring
Mechanicsburg, PA
'70 TR6
'59 TR3A

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From emanteno at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 10:17:39 2012
From: emanteno at gmail.com (Irv Korey)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 11:17:39 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <50B23EF9.8010706@adelphia.net>
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FYI, 2 TR4's from my club (ISOA) were also there. We had a green one and a
red one.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF 22767U
Highland Park, IL
 On Nov 25, 2012 10:02 AM, "Bob Labuz" <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> I would speculate that maybe 10% to 20% of the original production.
>
> The 4 did not do well up here in the northeast with all the salt/sand used
> during winter. On top of that, accidents took quite a few I would guess.
>
> I have had my 63 on the road 4 seasons now since restoration and I have
> only seen 1 in all the shows/car hops I attend. I see a few 3s, many 6s,
> Spitfires, and even a GT6 or 2 but the 4s and even the 4As are few and far
> between.
>
> I was at Watkins Glen a few years back in the 3 during the Fall vintage
> races. Triumph was the featured mark and the only 4 I could remember seeing
> was Matt's, from Triumph Rescue, red 4 under the tent. There were many
> other Triumphs but not the 4.
> Same in the parking areas. The 6 was the most popular followed by the 3.
>
> Good luck on your repairs.
>
> Bob
>
>  On 11/24/2012 09:03 PM, Tim Purdy wrote:
>
>> I am still going through a living hell, in putting together my 1964 TR4
>> back
>> together when it got wrecked while parked--the damage was to the body,
>> bonnet,
>> fender, etc, not frame or engine, but a slight ding to the radiator.
>>  Anyhow,
>> the other day, I was asked a most refreshing question, instead of the
>> status
>> its been 5 1/2 months since the wreck.
>>
>> The question was, how many TR4's are still on the road. I have not a
>> clue. I
>> will add a second question, though I could probably research it, yet I bet
>> that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s were produced?
>>
>> Tim Purdy
>> Susanville, CA
>>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 10:19:51 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 10:19:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
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How you fix it is going to depend where you are 'off'.  You want the car
aligned and the tie-rods pretty much centered to get the correct steering
geometry.  Once that is in order (and perhaps it already is) then the wheel
itself can be correctly positioned.

I have always positioned the steering wheel by removing it from the top end
of the column and reinserting it in the desired position.  If there is no
one position that is perfect then I get it as close as possible and then
tweak the tie-rods for the final bit.

Fussy work -- probably only worth it if a crooked wheel bugs you (it bugs
me).

Geo

On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:44 AM, <suhringtr36 at comcast.net> wrote:

> I am going to be doing some adjustments on my 59 TR3A over the winter. One
> task on the list is the alignment of my steering wheel. When I am driving
> straight, my steering wheel is off center to the left by a good 20 degrees.
> I have a split shaft column.  Is this corrected as simply as undoing the
> clamp on the split column and rotating the upper column in tack to align
> the wheel and then reclamping the split, or is there more to the process?
>  Do I need to disengage the stator tube first? Thanks.
>
> Scott Suhring
> Mechanicsburg, PA
> '70 TR6
> '59 TR3A
>
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From pethier at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 11:47:38 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:47:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
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Either you or your alignment guy should start by measuring the adjusters on
the right and left to see if they are the same. B You want them to be the same
length so that the bump-steer on each side is the same.

Once that is sure, set the front alignment.

At this point, check the alignments of the actuators for the turn signal
cancellation. B If they are adjustable (not that any of the British cars I
have checked have adjustable ones, but I don't know TR3), adjust them now.
B If they are not adjustable, someone has messed with the steering train in
the past. B You will now need to open the clamp, and/or skip splines at the
steering box or whatever one does on a TR3 to change the relationship between
the steering box and the turn signals.

Now, without moving anything in the steering linkage, see if the wheel is
straight. B If not, move it on the splined shaft until it is close to
straight.

Normally, the alignment tech sets the steering wheel to center first, but most
cars have not been screwed up in this way as most cars have a
single-angle-fitting steering-wheel mount unlike the wherever-you-want setup
of britcars.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
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2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
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> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 9:44:03 AM
> Subject: [TR] TR3A Steering Wheel ALighnment
> I am going to be doing some adjustments on my 59 TR3A over the winter.
> One task on the list is the alignment of my steering wheel. When I am
> driving straight, my steering wheel is off center to the left by a
> good 20 degrees. I have a split shaft column. Is this corrected as
> simply as undoing the clamp on the split column and rotating the upper
> column in tack to align the wheel and then reclamping the split, or is
> there more to the process? Do I need to disengage the stator tube
> first? Thanks.
>
> Scott Suhring
> Mechanicsburg, PA
> '70 TR6
> '59 TR3A
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From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 13:20:12 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 12:20:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <1353874812.75410.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
1- This is a VERY tricky question, because many people
group the TR4 & the TR4A together. Therefore, you may mean ONLY TR4's, but
another person may be thinking TR4, TR4A, or combining both & NOT knowing the
difference. So you can see the count can be WAY OFF. Then there's the factor
of what Jonmac stated earlier [which I was not aware of, & Thank You for
educating me (AGAIN) on that bit of info].
 
2- When the TR6 started coming
out, many TR4A's where in high demand as PARTS CARS. Because of the salt
deterioration (as mentioned previously), totalled or cost of repairs, many
people would purchase this car, NOT to drive or restore, But to cut up & sell
for a profit. The person would sell the Engine (2.1 L about) & the tranny
(Syncro in all gears) to the TR3/A owner. The rest of the car to the TR250 or
TR6 owners, because of the IRS (A TRUE TR4A, not the American version with the
live axle). So you can see why the TR4A may be fewer in count, running on the
road, than the TR4 running on the road. Then you have to take into account of
the people who try to counterfeit the TR250 by taking a TR4A & dropping in a 6
cylinder. 
 
Because of these reasons, one can see how a simple question can
become VERY complicated in obtaining the correct answer. This is one reason
that Randall Y. would type TR4/A when meaning BOTH TR4 & TR4A. At first this
was confusing to me, until Randal explained what TR4/A meant when found in his
writings.
 
3- Regarding Watkins Glen '08, I know that there were many TR4/A's
there because of what Irv & others have stated, & I know that 2 more (that
weren't mentioned until now) Mine & another Greater Rochester TRIUMPH Touring
Club- GRTTC member's where there. 
 
How many TR4's vs TR4A's (counting TR4A
live axle as different from the True TR4A's) are in each American car club?
Because there are TR4/A (org vs live axle) that are NOT in TRIUMPH clubs, or
in any club. 
On one GRTTC ride that I went on, had at least 5 TR4/A there
which out numbering the TR3's or TR6's that day. I made a comment to one of
our club members, that I believe that GRTTC may have more TR4/A's than the
Toronto TRIUMPH Club (TTC) does. They an older establish TRIUMPH Club than
we are. 
 
The question I'd like to ask: Does ANYBODY in that TTC know what
their count is for TR4/A's running is?
-Cosmo Kramer

From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Nov 25 13:46:17 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:46:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on 
this list.  I have one.

From tfansher at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 15:01:33 2012
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:01:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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I have a 62.
Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:46 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there? 

perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on 
this list.  I have one.

From TR250Driver at aol.com  Sun Nov 25 15:03:56 2012
From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:03:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <138c.6b044462.3de3efcc@aol.com>

Hey, I have two TR4's. One, a 62 is sitting in the garage all cleaned up  
and prepped for winter storage. The other, a 63 is scattered about, some 
pieces  are in the garage as I build the chassis, other pieces are downstairs in 
boxes,  still more including the body & motor are 60 miles away and yikes I 
believe  some of those pieces are in various locations as well. Still yet 
to be acquired  pieces are currently on ebay, will soon be on ebay I hope, or 
perhaps at the  various supplier's or breaker's warehouses.
Darrell
I probably need to exchange this all for a decent TR4A driver

 
 
In a message dated 11/25/2012 3:57:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
dave at ranteer.com writes:

perhaps  it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on 
this  list.  I have one

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Nov 25 15:29:11 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:29:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <138c.6b044462.3de3efcc@aol.com>
References: <138c.6b044462.3de3efcc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <50B29BB7.5000608@adelphia.net>

I have a 63 AKA the "White" car.

Bob

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 25 15:59:37 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 14:59:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
In-Reply-To: <50B29BB7.5000608@adelphia.net>
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Message-ID: <1353884377.41350.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

ill let you guys do the counting as i dont know where the 4 finishes and the
4a starts
 
http://www.trregistry.com/start/registry/html/
 
frank
 
 
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Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:29 PM
Subject: Re:
[TR] How many TR4s are there?

I have a 63 AKA the "White" car.

Bob

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 25 16:36:08 2012
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:36:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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I have a 62 in the garage just out of the paint shop and ready to put back
together.  It is just like the old Monogram model kits, but the adult
version!
Jim Henningsen
62 TR4 CT5212LO
75 TR6 Miss Molly
Ocala, FL

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Labuz
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 10:53 AM
To: Tim Purdy
Cc: TR List
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?

Tim,

I would speculate that maybe 10% to 20% of the original production.

The 4 did not do well up here in the northeast with all the salt/sand used
during winter. On top of that, accidents took quite a few I would guess.

I have had my 63 on the road 4 seasons now since restoration and I have only
seen 1 in all the shows/car hops I attend. I see a few 3s, many 6s,
Spitfires, and even a GT6 or 2 but the 4s and even the 4As are few and far
between.

I was at Watkins Glen a few years back in the 3 during the Fall vintage
races. Triumph was the featured mark and the only 4 I could remember seeing
was Matt's, from Triumph Rescue, red 4 under the tent. There were many other
Triumphs but not the 4.
Same in the parking areas. The 6 was the most popular followed by the 3.

Good luck on your repairs.

Bob

  On 11/24/2012 09:03 PM, Tim Purdy wrote:
> I am still going through a living hell, in putting together my 1964 
> TR4 back together when it got wrecked while parked--the damage was to 
> the body, bonnet, fender, etc, not frame or engine, but a slight ding 
> to the radiator.  Anyhow, the other day, I was asked a most refreshing 
> question, instead of the status its been 5 1/2 months since the wreck.
>
> The question was, how many TR4's are still on the road. I have not a 
> clue. I will add a second question, though I could probably research 
> it, yet I bet that someone knows the answer. How many TR4s were produced?
>
> Tim Purdy
> Susanville, CA

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From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 16:54:55 2012
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Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 17:54:55 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_many_TR4s_are_there=3F?=
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According to state registrations, there are 26468 TR4's/4a's in roadworthy condition.

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Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 16:01


I have a 62.
Tom

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perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on this list.  I have one.

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From glemon at neb.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 17:07:30 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:07:30 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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Just curious as to where you get that information, number sounds a little 
high, that is about a third of those built surviving and roadworthy right? 
Thanks

Greg Lemon

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 17:50:59 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:50:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_many_TR4s_are_there=3F?=
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1353891034.32080.triumphs@autox.team.net>

State records online through a buddy at dmv.
Apparently, its about 50%, but 250's are TR4's in some states.

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To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>, <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 18:07


Just curious as to where you get that information, number sounds a little high, that is about a third of those built surviving and roadworthy right? Thanks

Greg Lemon

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sun Nov 25 18:35:29 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 20:35:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A hardtop fittings
Message-ID: <002701cdcb76$52915c90$f7b415b0$@verizon.net>

Does anyone have some images of the installed hardtop fittings (without the
hardtop).   It looks fairly straightforward but some reference shots would
be appreciated.
Thanks
Carl
 
 
Carl
1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO
 <http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ 

From jagmog at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 25 19:46:19 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 18:46:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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Pray tell,

How does one figure that out................legally?

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711

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Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?

According to state registrations, there are 26468 TR4's/4a's in roadworthy
condition.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 16:01


I have a 62.
Tom

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PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there? 
perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on
this list.  I have one.

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From pethier at comcast.net  Sun Nov 25 20:14:12 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 03:14:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 2:46:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
> perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are
> on
> this list. I have one.

I *had* one.  I think it is going for sale again in San Antonio Texas.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
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From glemon at neb.rr.com  Sun Nov 25 20:38:13 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:38:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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OK, I was gonna say, the DMV stuff is locked up fairly tight the last 10-15
years under the Federal privacy act.  I will add that when I did a search on
myself and the cars I had titled in my name, some of the cars from my past
were still on the list, if they "die and are buried" without telling DMV, I
think in my state at least that title record lives on even though the car is
dead and gone.

Greg

----- Original Message -----
  From: spook01 at comcast.net
  To: Greg Lemon ; triumphs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?


  State records online through a buddy at dmv.
  Apparently, its about 50%, but 250's are TR4's in some states.

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

  ----- Reply message -----
  From: "Greg Lemon" <glemon at neb.rr.com>
  To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>, <spook01 at comcast.net>
  Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
  Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 18:07


  Just curious as to where you get that information, number sounds a little
high, that is about a third of those built surviving and roadworthy right?
Thanks

  Greg Lemon

From ashleys at farmside.co.nz  Sun Nov 25 20:52:28 2012
From: ashleys at farmside.co.nz (ashleys)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:52:28 +1300
Subject: [TR] Fw:  How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <C28B5A871F4B4E15BBBFA2CD3CBAC60D@AshleysPC>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ashleys" <ashleys at farmside.co.nz>
To: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?


> Hi!
> From the TR Register NZ the list is as follows.
> TR2   79
> TR3  26
> TR3A 62
> TR3B  1  [for sale]
> TR 4 50
> TR4A 52
> TR5 22
> TR6 190
> TR7 102
> TR7/v8 21
> TR250 8
> Sidescreen 1953-62  168,  1961-1968 Michelotti 132, 1968-1975 Karm  190, 
> 1975-1981 Harris-Mann  131.
> Not sure how up to date the list is,there are cars not on the list still 
> being rebuilt.
> 
> Ashley 

From Chip19474 at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 05:54:09 2012
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:54:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <5931.29d93379.3de4c070@aol.com>

if someone is starting a tally.....mine is 1962 CT2052L
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA 
1962 TR4  CT2052L
 
 
In a message dated 11/25/2012 5:12:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tfansher at comcast.net writes:

I have a  62.
Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave 
Sent: Sunday,  November 25, 2012 3:46 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re:  [TR] How many TR4s are there? 

perhaps it would be interesting to see  how many (true) TR4's there are on 
this list.  I have one.

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From dmericas at austin.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 06:17:38 2012
From: dmericas at austin.rr.com (dmericas at austin.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:17:38 +0000
Subject: [TR]  How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <20121126131738.S208I.262211.root@hrndva-web02-z01>

I have a 65 TR4. 

Dean Mericas
1965 TR4
1974 2000 GTV
1976 Giulia Nuova Super 2L
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave 
Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:46 PM 
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there? 
 
perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on 
this list.  I have one.

From spamiam at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 06:19:35 2012
From: spamiam at comcast.net (spamiam at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:19:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] electronic ignition vs CEI, HEI vs CDI - a little technical
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I have been thinking about adding transistorized ignition to my TR4A. I had thought about adding a transistor switching unit. I have a Pertronix right now, but I am not at all sure it really adds any real benefits over a good condition points system, other than not having points. But with a failure on the road it,s a pain in the neck to reinstall the points parts. Plus the push-on magnet ring does not fit well on my distributor. I was thinking about going back to using points and add a transistor switching unit like the Boyer-Brandsen Kit0069. That way if there were a failure, it would be real simple to go back to points alone. With the transistor switching unit, the points will not arc and the contacts will last essentially forever (maybe not the rubbing block, though) 

I have the Delco HEI sysem on my TR7 and I have done a bit of research on it. It is a really nice system but requires a special low resistance (and lower inductance) than the normal 3 ohm or 1.5 ohm coils. It limits current to 5.5 amps for the stock HEI unit and adjusts the dwell to JUST get to the current limiting state before the ignition fires. This minimizes coil heating so it won't burn out at these high currents. 

I thought I might apply the HEI system to the points triggered TR4A distributor. But if that is done, then dwell control is lost unless you use some fancy electronics to convert points into a reluctor system. But then I saw that the Lucas CEI ignition has the GM HEI module at its heart! What coil does the CEI system use? I have not found reference to any special HEI-style coil being used with the CEI. 

Does the CEI system have a special HEI module that limits current to something less than 5.5 amps? Or does it have a special HEI type coil? Or does it lose the ability to adjust dwell and current and become a plain transistor unit like the Boyer? 

Here, I am going to get a little technical. I was thinking I could make my own pseudo-HEI system by making a regular transistor switching unit, but then add a current limiter. This would be a "12 volt" system, but would use a 6 volt (1.5 ohm) coil without a ballast resistor. The current limiter would replace the ballast resistor. The current would be limited to that which the coil would get at idle RPM with a ballast resistor.This allows the coil to saturate more quickly (or at higher revs, just be closer to saturation) and therefore would maintain spark energy to higher revs somewhat like what the HEI system does. Also, this design would allow more current to get to the coil when battery voltage is reduced during cranking, similar to the ballasted systems. From my calculations, I think I should be able to have double the spark energy at 4000-5500 RPM. 

And then there is Capacitive Discharge. I can see that CDI would be a good design for very high RPM, like well over 5500. But I am skeptical that it adds anything compared to a well maintained Kettering (points or transistor) system at the RPMs we would have on the street with a maximum of 5500 RPM. I suspect that the very brief spark(s) of the CDI system may not ignite the mixture as well as a nice long 2-3 millisecond burn of an inductive system. The other reason that I am skeptical is that auto manufacturers continue to use inductive systems. They have gone to great lengths to do so, resorting to things like one coil per plug, coil-on-plug, etc. If CDI were superior, it seems to me that it would have been a LOT cheaper to use CDI than make these complicated inductive systems. 

I am looking for people's thoughts on these ignition systems. 

-Tony 

From spook01 at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 07:11:47 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:11:47 -0600
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I would think that's a pretty high survival rate.

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Subject: [TR] Fw:  How many TR4s are there?
Date: Sun, Nov 25, 2012 21:52


----- Original Message ----- From: "ashleys" <ashleys at farmside.co.nz>
To: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?


> Hi!
> From the TR Register NZ the list is as follows.
> TR2   79
> TR3  26
> TR3A 62
> TR3B  1  [for sale]
> TR 4 50
> TR4A 52
> TR5 22
> TR6 190
> TR7 102
> TR7/v8 21
> TR250 8
> Sidescreen 1953-62  168,  1961-1968 Michelotti 132, 1968-1975 Karm  190, > 1975-1981 Harris-Mann  131.
> Not sure how up to date the list is,there are cars not on the list still > being rebuilt.
> > Ashley 
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From mathews at uga.edu  Mon Nov 26 07:34:07 2012
From: mathews at uga.edu (Doug Mathews)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:34:07 -0500
Subject: [TR]   How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <50B37DDF.3000308@uga.edu>

I have a 64 TR4.
Doug

+63 3B

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Nov 26 08:20:02 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:20:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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I have a '67 4A. Ted

On 11/26/2012 8:17 AM, dmericas at austin.rr.com wrote:
> I have a 65 TR4.
>
> Dean Mericas
> 1965 TR4
> 1974 2000 GTV
> 1976 Giulia Nuova Super 2L
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:46 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
>   
> perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on
> this list.  I have one.
>
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From jagmog at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 08:47:08 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:47:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] Fw:  How many TR4s are there?
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Seems like a lot of TR2's

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Fw: How many TR4s are there?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ashleys" <ashleys at farmside.co.nz>
To: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?


> Hi!
> From the TR Register NZ the list is as follows.
> TR2   79
> TR3  26
> TR3A 62
> TR3B  1  [for sale]
> TR 4 50
> TR4A 52
> TR5 22
> TR6 190
> TR7 102
> TR7/v8 21
> TR250 8
> Sidescreen 1953-62  168,  1961-1968 Michelotti 132, 1968-1975 Karm  190, 
> 1975-1981 Harris-Mann  131.
> Not sure how up to date the list is,there are cars not on the list still 
> being rebuilt.
> 
> Ashley 

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 09:03:49 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:03:49 -0800
Subject: [TR] electronic ignition vs CEI,
 HEI vs CDI - a little  technical
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FWIW, I ran a point-triggered multiple spark CDI system for many years on my
TR3A.  There were some teething problems, but overall it worked very well.
I eventually tried some other systems, mostly because the bushings in the
distributor were getting pretty badly worn and I was seeing a lot of spark
scatter from the points.

I can't say there was a significant change in max power, but with the MSD
the engine always started a lot easier and throttle response seemed crisper
at low and medium rpm.  When (and if) I revisit the topic, I may try a
Pertronix pickup combined with a MSD module in hopes of getting the best of
both worlds.

As I see it, the multiple coil systems are mostly to eliminate the spark
plug wires and distributor (cap & rotor), all of which are problematic from
an emissions point of view.  There has been a lot of pressure from the EPA
to build engines that will continue to meet emissions targets without having
a tune-up for 100,000 miles or more; as well as eliminating "user"
adjustments (like distributor position).  CDI systems are always more
complicated (and hence expensive) than Kettering, which is why most car
makers stick with Kettering.  And with precision mixture control, the
ability of CDI to fire wet or fouled plugs is much less of an advantage.

The teething problems I mentioned seemed to all be related to the MSD
delivering much more current and voltage to the plugs.  I found that plug
life was shortened unless I ran colder plugs (or platinum); and the high
current was apparently resposible for the suppression resistor in the
distributor cap burning out.  Apparently, even with all of the carbon burned
out of the resistor (it was literally white), the spark continued jumping
around the resistor until it burned away the tower in the cap.  The first
time I noticed anything wrong was when the spark started jumping from the
center tower of the coil to one of the side terminals!  I was able to limp
home (actually it ran fine) by fabricating a replacement button from a paper
clip.  On the new cap, I removed the original resistor button and replaced
it with a chunk of relatively pure carbon (carved from the center post of a
flashlight battery), which was still working fine many years later when I
decided to try a Crane XR3000 (optical triggered CDI).

I could be wrong about this, but I think you will find that a GM HEI module
will work just fine with a 1.5 ohm coil; at least on a 4 cylinder engine
turning no more than 5000 rpm.  Due to the current-limiting nature of the
HEI, it will still saturate the 1.5 ohm coil, it just takes longer than with
the lower inductance 0.7 ohm coil.  The longer time to saturation means the
spark energy will fall off at higher rpm, but since you only have 4
cylinders to fire, that will be twice the rpm where it would fall off with a
V8.  And still higher than with the stock points & 3 ohm coil.

-- Randall 

From mrm at clking.com  Mon Nov 26 09:26:56 2012
From: mrm at clking.com (Mitch R. Meisler)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:26:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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References: <20121126131738.S208I.262211.root@hrndva-web02-z01>
	<50B388A2.8070609@bright.net>
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I have 66 tr4a

Mitch Meisler
-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ted Schumacher
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 10:20 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?

I have a '67 4A. Ted

On 11/26/2012 8:17 AM, dmericas at austin.rr.com wrote:
> I have a 65 TR4.
>
> Dean Mericas
> 1965 TR4
> 1974 2000 GTV
> 1976 Giulia Nuova Super 2L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:46 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
>
> perhaps it would be interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are
> on this list.  I have one.
>
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Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
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From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 11:56:29 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 10:56:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <1353956189.63165.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
 
"Dave" <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
perhaps it would be
interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on this list.  I have one.
 
Well, I know of a white TR4 that was purchased in OHIO from a list member.
The present owner WAS on this list for a short period of time, but dropped off
because he still hasn't gotten the car on the road. It does run (very
roughly). He's very busy with work & hasn't had time to do much work on this
'True TR4'. Now, would that be able to be counted as another TR4 car?
 
I'm
really NOT trying to make things complicated or confusing. 
-Cosmo Kramer

From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Nov 26 13:06:07 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wb)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 14:06:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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We have two early TR4s in our club plus a parts car.  One is a one-owner.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 26, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Happy Holidays List!

"Dave" <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
perhaps it would be
interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on this list.  I have one.

Well, I know of a white TR4 that was purchased in OHIO from a list member.
The present owner WAS on this list for a short period of time, but dropped
off
because he still hasn't gotten the car on the road. It does run (very
roughly). He's very busy with work & hasn't had time to do much work on this
'True TR4'. Now, would that be able to be counted as another TR4 car?

I'm
really NOT trying to make things complicated or confusing.
-Cosmo Kramer

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From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 13:54:19 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 12:54:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Looking for El Paso TRIUMPH owers
Message-ID: <1353963259.21483.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
Is there ANYONE in the El Paso ,TX area on this list? I
visiting my grandchildren that live in the west end (hills), & would like to
visit or talk TRIUMPHS. PLEASE reply ASAP, because I'm leaving this Thur
(12-29-12). 
 
PLEASE phone me @: 716-201-7265. Thank you,

-Cosmo Kramer

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 14:14:23 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:14:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] electronic ignition vs CEI, HEI vs CDI - a little technical
Message-ID: <1353964463.99183.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
I think it was Tony that started this thread & asked for
input.
 
I had the Pertronix system in my TR4A for a yr. & carried the
COMPLETE original points distributor in the boot. After a yr. I had a hard
time trying to do a tune up & was glad I had the point set up in the boot. All
I did was to move the Engine to the TDC mark, unthread the 2 nuts holding the
Pertronix clap & distributor unit, install my points distributor set with the
clamp, & drove off. Never got around to check timing until the next years tune
up. I just used the vernier adj of 1 or 2 clicks to get it back dead on. I
still haven't had the desire or time to check out the Pertronix unit to see
what the problem is/was, & I think I'm going on 3 years. It takes me awhile to
get around to doing things. :>)
-Cosmo Kramer

From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 15:35:02 2012
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:35:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] [Fot]  Transmission Lube
In-Reply-To: <CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A4FAF7-DB37-4453-B59A-DE966EFDE1BD@aol.com>
	<7FB2D465-E473-4CD3-966B-070AEBD44583@comcast.net>
	<CAP9qD9NKffmOwsPq-qHeSO110LxLFMfhj0MRzqqi5hoAXvj6Mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AC3EE1B5-7A30-4576-B698-25EEE9C3D23A@aol.com>

Thanks for the response.  The more opinions I get the more I find there is not
a consensus.  In the early '90s when we got our TR3A I was reading the
Bentley's manual and I found the spot where they recommended the non detergent
30 weight oil.  I have several TRs and two of them use the A-Type OD and the
GT6 is, at this time, non OD.  I have an OD unit for it in the shop so that is
a future project.  When we got the GT6 the previous owner used MT90 and I
realized why.  Second gear, if rushed, barks on upshift not on down shift
which, to me, doesn't make sense.  Syncros, in my experience always barked on
down shift.  Any one that can enlighten me on this?  I was just looking for a
"one size fits all" solution.  The MT90 works good in the OD so at this time I
guess I'll continue to use it unless there is a compelling reason not to.
Thanks for all the responses and keep them coming!
Sam

On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Robert Deanes <rfdeanes at gmail.com> wrote:

> I also run 30 weight in my A drive recommended by two old TR  builders Dave
Crane and John Esposito with no failures since 2007., got to love those old
"A" drives....the fun in the button ...as close as I will get to F1 gear
changing !    Wooo Hooo
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
> I use Valvoline 50w racing oil in my TR6 A-type OD/tran and have for
> 15 years with never an issue. I switched to it as a result of
> recommendations from this great list.
>
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
> 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
> Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 9:52 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> > I'm sure this has been discussed ad neauseum but I would like to
> > know what the
> > consensus is for Red Line lubricants.  I am running an A-Type OD in
> > a TR6 and
> > regular tranny in a GT6.  Which is suitable?  MT90 or MTL?
> > Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 15:47:07 2012
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:47:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 461
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1353956403.3144.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.15.1353956403.3144.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CF9A3F18B22D34-1F58-1B146@webmail-m140.sysops.aol.com>

I still have my complete TR4 .. organized in boxes!


Carl
'63 TR4 since '74  CT22326L


interesting to see how many (true) TR4's there are on
this list.

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Nov 26 16:13:01 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:13:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
Message-ID: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>

I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

From guy at genfiniti.com  Mon Nov 26 16:42:24 2012
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:42:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <0E62FDA7-9AE9-4919-B95F-DB6EAB99A298@genfiniti.com>

I just accepted the fact that I was going to scratch the paint, and that
stress went away.
For me, adding those damned window seals to the doors, with those eff'ing
clips, gave me the most stress.


On Nov 26, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

> I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
> think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
> reasons:
> -  Worried about scratching the new paint
> -  Worried that the panels won't fit
> -  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
>
> Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
> takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From mhooper at indiefilmnet.com  Mon Nov 26 16:36:00 2012
From: mhooper at indiefilmnet.com (Mark Hooper)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:36:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <cf3cb69f.1cdcc2e.a5ee9deb.6347@indiefilmnet.com>

Crashing it?  :^)

In my case, it was dropping a bicycle on the newly painted bonnet.

Mark Hooper
1972 TR6

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: November-26-12 6:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Nov 26 16:49:28 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:49:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <09BAA8EC-C8ED-4B71-B6FF-CFAB9CDBD610@comcast.net>

Trying to attach the battery ground cable to the proper bolt on a TR6  
transmission housing while it was in the car was by far the hardest  
thing I've ever done. Facing defeat for something I thought I'd do in  
10 minutes but took me hours and the use of every socket extension and  
trick in the book, was stressful in many ways. My back still isn't the  
same.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Nov 26, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Andrew Uprichard wrote:

> I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back  
> on.  I
> think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for  
> various
> reasons:
> -  Worried about scratching the new paint
> -  Worried that the panels won't fit
> -  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
>
> Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think  
> this
> takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Nov 26 16:52:06 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:52:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bE7WYxD6jZ7u1cjofMWOK1zPB-N3o=4UQ+Q72YC9sRM7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I bought an eBay TR4 sight unseen that was on an island in the Pacific
Ocean.

Somewhat stressful though all I had to do was wait & see -- but no match
for your assembly of newly painted sheet metal.  That truly sounds like
nervous work.

Geo

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Andrew Uprichard
<auprichard at uprichard.net>wrote:

> I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
> think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
> reasons:
> -  Worried about scratching the new paint
> -  Worried that the panels won't fit
> -  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
>
> Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
> takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?
>
> Andrew Uprichard

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 16:55:15 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:55:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1353974115.64682.YahooMailNeo@web120002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

oh yes


From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To:
triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13 PM
Subject: [TR]
what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

I just had a car painted
and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the
most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about
scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that
the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the
first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the
list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 16:59:38 2012
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 15:59:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1353974378.21055.YahooMailNeo@web120703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Andrew-
 
Next time you can cut your anxiety by fitting the panels first and
also running the captive nut threads with a tap.  Then all you'll have to
worry about is scratching the paint.
 
Chad in Tulsa
________________________________
 From: Andrew Uprichard
<auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, November
26, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a
Triumph?
  
I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels
back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for
various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the
panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes
the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From jagmog at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 17:02:41 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:02:41 -0800
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS112294CA115B99A450DD0DC65E0@phx.gbl>

Most stressful - Every sound the freshly restored car makes in its first 500
to 700 miles.

Run a tap through the captive nuts while its still apart and chase the
threads on your hardware if in any doubt.

Use painters tape and clean bedsheets on panels to pad them as you get them
on to prevent scratches, or worse yet - dropping a wrench, screwdriver or
bolt onto them :(

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Nov 26 17:32:50 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:32:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <D7EF94AD588F45DDB0EA1AF70B045DE7@bboffice>

Add to that getting the SS beading in place with out scratching the wing
paint.  HINT: Run a 2" wide strip of painter's tape along either edge before
you start and have a steady-handed friend to help.

Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti


 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 17:55:03 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:55:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <20121127005503.7N1SZ.270584.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

Hitting a freeway exit ramp too fast and learning the hard way that the left rear wheel is no longer securely attached to its hub.

Or maybe starting a downhill ramp at 70+ mph and discovering that not only the foot brake but the hand brake are both ineffective, and there is cross traffic at the foot of the ramp.  Took a long time to regain my composure after that one!

Lots more stressful than worrying about some scratches in the paint, to me anyway.  Of course, that probably explains why my car has lots of little scratches and dents :)

Randall

---- Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote: 
> I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
> think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
> reasons:
> -  Worried about scratching the new paint
> -  Worried that the panels won't fit
> -  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
> 
> Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
> takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 26 18:12:35 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 17:12:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] most stressful
Message-ID: <1353978755.25710.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'd have to say installing fenders, doors ect was close to the most stressful
but for me getting the electrical sorted out especially the guages ect. was
the worst.  (mostly because I'm a complete newbie/idiot when it comes to
electrics).  The metal fender beads were also right up there for stress. 
After a 3-4 yr. restoration one gets so "antsy" to get going that the last few
tasks can really become stressful, especially with winter approaching and
wanting to get at least a few miles on.  Getting the engine running well and
15 miles on relieves much of it.  Now I'm looking forward to nice winter work
of installing the top, tonneau and stick cover.
Again, this list is a true
lifesaver.  I'd never ever get through a restoration with out the help and
encouragement of the list.

gary n.

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 18:24:45 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:24:45 -0600
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <D7EF94AD588F45DDB0EA1AF70B045DE7@bboffice>
References: <006c01cdcc2b$9594f640$c0bee2c0$@uprichard.net>
	<D7EF94AD588F45DDB0EA1AF70B045DE7@bboffice>
Message-ID: <B83609E8ADC04951A13F7D6A8EBB084C@GregPC>

First start of the motor you (or somebody else for that matter) is always 
stressful.

My most stressful moment in the TR250 restoration was painting the stripe on 
the hood.  Lots of fiddly work getting the tape right, fear of if you mess 
something up can you fix it or will you have to re-paint the hood.

Most frustrating was fitting those stupid little pegs in the door handle and 
window winder, spent the best part of a hot Saturday in the garage fitting 
them, tried a needle nose vise grips, regular needle nose, tweezers, some 
sort of surgical tool like locking tweezers, very frustrating.

Greg Lemon 

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 18:32:51 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:32:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] electronic ignition vs CEI,
 HEI vs CDI - a little   technical
In-Reply-To: <C6.45.21565.0E293B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <C6.45.21565.0E293B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <7BE2F3DB64DA459B9D3D38DD3991654D@GregPC>

" I was able to limp home (actually it ran fine) by fabricating a 
replacement button from a paper
 clip.  On the new cap, I removed the original resistor button and replaced 
it with a chunk of relatively pure carbon (carved from the center post of a 
flashlight battery), which was still working fine many years later when I 
decided to try a Crane XR3000 (optical triggered CDI).

 -- Randall"

OK, you live in California, right? did they use you for the inspiration for 
the old show McGyver?

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Nov 26 18:43:41 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:43:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] most stressful
In-Reply-To: <1353978755.25710.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1353978755.25710.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50B41ACD.5010101@bradakis.com>

Under dash and exhaust work is what I like least.  But I've not done much
Triumph work lately.  One stressful time was when I was at Bailey's and we
had TS1 in for some work.  I really, really, really did not want to screw up
*that* car.

mjb.

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 19:05:36 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:05:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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oops, neant to say the motor you  "rebuilt" below, most of you probably 
figured that out


> First start of the motor you (or somebody else for that matter) is always 
> stressful.
>
> My most stressful moment in the TR250 restoration was painting the stripe 
> on the hood.  Lots of fiddly work getting the tape right, fear of if you 
> mess something up can you fix it or will you have to re-paint the hood.
>
> Most frustrating was fitting those stupid little pegs in the door handle 
> and window winder, spent the best part of a hot Saturday in the garage 
> fitting them, tried a needle nose vise grips, regular needle nose, 
> tweezers, some sort of surgical tool like locking tweezers, very 
> frustrating.
>
> Greg Lemon
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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Mon Nov 26 19:27:20 2012
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (McGaheyRx at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:27:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
Message-ID: <d99.69f1fb32.3de57f08@aol.com>

For me it's trying to get the windshield out of a TR7 or 8 without  
breaking it 
 
 i'm 1 for 3
 
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2012 7:43:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jagmog at hotmail.com writes:

Most  stressful - Every sound the freshly restored car makes in its first 
500
to  700 miles.

Run a tap through the captive nuts while its still apart and  chase the
threads on your hardware if in any doubt.

Use painters  tape and clean bedsheets on panels to pad them as you get them
on to  prevent scratches, or worse yet - dropping a wrench, screwdriver or
bolt  onto them :(

Jonas Payne
PBR  Consulting
702-882-6711


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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:13 PM
To:  triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to  do on a Triumph?

I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders  and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing  I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the  new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that  the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car  for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.   What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From areich at telus.net  Mon Nov 26 19:50:56 2012
From: areich at telus.net (Allan Reich)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:50:56 -0800
Subject: [TR] Blue Upholstery kits for 1975 TR6
Message-ID: <50B42A90.6070900@telus.net>

Greetings:
I am planning a new coloured interior for my French Blue TR6.
I am installing TRF's Shadow Blue carpet set and Shadow Blue Interior 
Trim Panels.
I am also planning to do TRF's Shadow Blue Seat Belts.
Then I have to do the seats and have a few questions about the big three 
and their seat kits.
Anybody have an opinion on which is best?
Also opinions of foam kits and strap sets.
I am leaning towards Moss's "Blue" leather set, but not sure about what 
"Blue" is, as they don't say Shadow Blue.
They are sending me a swatch but interested if anyone on the list knows 
how dark it is and how it looks with Shadow Blue.
Also wondering if anyone with French Blue has a Shadow Blue interior?  
Would be great to get some pics if somebody out there has that combination.
I don't think the factory had those two colours matched but maybe 
subsequent owners or special factory orders exist.
Also interested opinions on if I am wasting money on leather vs pleather!
Allan Reich
Vancouver Canada
1975 TR6 - CF30255U

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Nov 26 20:08:50 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:08:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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Oh - I did.  Fitted the panels so many times I was sick of it.  But they
still "move"...

 

And I tapped or replaced every captive nut.  Then one of the three on the
lower door hinge gave out.  Murphy's law. But at least there the repair will
not be visible.

 

And I agree with all the replies, too !

 

Andrew

 

From: Chad [mailto:triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:00 PM
To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

 

Andrew-

 

Next time you can cut your anxiety by fitting the panels first and also
running the captive nut threads with a tap.  Then all you'll have to worry
about is scratching the paint.

 

Chad in Tulsa

 

From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:13 PM
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?


I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
reasons:
-  Worried about scratching the new paint
-  Worried that the panels won't fit
-  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time

Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?

Andrew Uprichard

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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 26 20:15:47 2012
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:15:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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Yup, I'll second that one.  :)

Marty
----------------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 18:36:00 -0500
> From: mhooper at indiefilmnet.com
> To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
>
> Crashing it? :^)
>
> Mark Hooper

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Nov 26 22:58:43 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:58:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] electronic ignition vs CEI,
 HEI vs CDI - a little   technical
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Message-ID: <D2.09.00785.C8654B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> OK, you live in California, right? did they use you for the 
> inspiration for the old show McGyver?

Beats me.  It just seemed like the thing to do at the time.  No cell phone,
no AAA card, and I still don't like tow trucks.  And I had learned to cut
brushes out of battery posts way back in the 5th grade (when I used them for
slot car motors).  They didn't last as long as the commercial brushes, but
the price was right.  Necessity is a mother, or something like that.

Unfortunately alkaline cells don't use carbon posts, and the carbon-zinc
battery seems to be a thing of the past.

-- Randall  

From ashleys at farmside.co.nz  Tue Nov 27 00:58:38 2012
From: ashleys at farmside.co.nz (ashleys)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 20:58:38 +1300
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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Hi!
I have a one owner 1966 TR4A.  Done 67000 ml.

Ashley

From john.dunham at amphenol-tcs.com  Tue Nov 27 05:35:13 2012
From: john.dunham at amphenol-tcs.com (John Dunham)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:35:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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Mark me down for a 62 TR4 - CT8056.  It's been doing a great job collecting
dust in my garage since we had our third child...

John D



From:	"ashleys" <ashleys at farmside.co.nz>
To:	"Cosmo Kramer" <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>,
Date:	11/27/2012 03:29 AM
Subject:	Re: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
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Hi!
I have a one owner 1966 TR4A.  Done 67000 ml.

Ashley

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From davewillner at pa.net  Tue Nov 27 06:35:46 2012
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:35:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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1. Fender beading
2. Grill
3. Stone guards
4. Rebuilding the control head assembly
5. Sorting out the electrical gremlins after installing a new harness

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:13 PM
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?


>I just had a car painted and am putting the fenders and panels back on.  I
> think this is probably the most stressful thing I have done, for various
> reasons:
> -  Worried about scratching the new paint
> -  Worried that the panels won't fit
> -  Worried that the captured nuts will fail  this one time
>
> Driving a restored car for the first time comes close, but I think this
> takes the prize.  What thinks the list ?
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 08:07:12 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:07:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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Never having taken a car down to its individual parts and then 
reassembled it before, *THE* most stressful thing I did with my TR3 was 
drive it for the first time after reassembly.  As the time for the 
initial drive approached I stressed out more and more thinking of all 
the things that could go wrong such as the rear axle assembly to fall 
off, the steering wheel to come off in my hands or somehow for the front 
wheels to turn independently, or the front suspension to fall apart or a 
wheel fall off or any number of things just to fall off, break or any 
number of catastrophic failures.  I have a very active vivid imagination.

The first drive came and about 3 blocks from the driveway a front 
headlight rim fell off and promptly flattened under a tyre. That was the 
only part that fell off.

But I did experience intermittent fuel flow problems which exercised my 
AAA towing card a few times until I traced it down to an intermittent 
fuel flow interruption at the fuel tank. I pulled the fuel tank after 
draining it, removed the sender unit and looked down into a tank with 
dirt, oak leaves, dead pill bugs and ear wigs.

When I rebuilt my TR I did not have a garage so I put up a steel pipe 
frame and a tarp for a shelter and rebuilt the car on the dirt under a 
big oak tree.  When the fuel tank was taken off there was deep rust 
under where the felt like padding sat against the tank.  I sent the tank 
out to be boiled out and to have patches welded on. Afterwords it sat 
for a while on a pallet along the edge of the covered tarp area while I 
worked on the body. Once the tank was cleaned out and reinstalled the 
fuel system worked properly.

About 3 months into driving the car locally to try and build up some 
confidence in the results of my work there was an unhealthy noise 
starting to make itself noticeable at the front left corner.  I pulled 
over and looked for anything out of the ordinary.  I touched the 
knockoff and noticed it was hot.  Another flatbed tow later the TR was 
back home had I pulled the front wheel  and started disassembling 
things.  A new front bearing had failed. It seems I had set the front 
bearings up as to the instruction in the main part of the workshop 
manual which was for front drum brake TRs and had not noticed that there 
was a supplement in the back for disc brake TRs.  I redid both sides to 
the supplement specs and was off again.

And those were the sum of my TR's teething problems at the end of my 
very first and hopefully very last total car rebuild.  Though it still 
took about a half year before I would trust my work enough to throw the 
TR through tight mountain corners on the side of steep hills or drive 
outside my 100 mile free towing range.

TeriAnn

From 308gtsi at roadrunner.com  Tue Nov 27 12:59:12 2012
From: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com (Brian Induni)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:59:12 -0800
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
Message-ID: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>

Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is crappy replacement
body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can supply decent (I didn't
say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have to slice, dice, and reshape.
Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63 MGB from Rimmer (figured
it was close enough to the source to get it right) and ended up having to
totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No, it wasn't just a
little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off that didn't allow the
bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between the boot lid and
the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on - all the same crappy
work.

Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher and make my own panels.

Stepping off the box now...

Brian

From ashleys at farmside.co.nz  Tue Nov 27 13:59:44 2012
From: ashleys at farmside.co.nz (ashleys)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:59:44 +1300
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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Message-ID: <6FA38A6B1B6942CE9C217132A211A140@AshleysPC>

Hi!,
Fitting a rebuilt engine to a TR6.When running in at 2000 revs a bad harsh 
sound coming from engine,oil pressure normal,not good so out came engine had 
a good look at shaft,pistons etc no fault found.Went ahead and rebuilt 
another TR6 engine only used rebuilt cyclinder head.While the block was away 
getting rebored/shaft grind i spent more time to see what was causing this 
strange sound.
Guest what,a simple fault was found.When i pulled this engine some years ago 
i found that the short oil pipe fitted to the oil pump was loose at the lock 
nut.When refitting the shaft and oil pump i did not check to see if there 
was clearance between gauze and bottom of sump,so on inspection the gauze 
had a flat spot and shiney,like wise the sump bottom had awee wear mark.
At 2000 revs the oil pump gauze was beating the sump like a drum- get the 
drift.
I went ahead with the fitting of the replacement engine,now run in and no 
such noise,a pleasure
to drive.  I now have a rebuilt short block TR motor for sale.

When rebuilding TR 6 over 8 years i had to by in [19] new inner panels,rear 
and front panels ,rear deck,b posts,sills,not one panel was correct size,one 
inner left guard was 32mm short in the arch area,my supplier told me that 
the other 5 inner they had in stock were the same,the supplier didnt what to 
know.I was given 40 UK pounds credit for me to correct,as for the other 
problems,tough luck you get what you get.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?


> Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is crappy replacement
> body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can supply decent (I 
> didn't
> say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have to slice, dice, and reshape.
> Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63 MGB from Rimmer 
> (figured
> it was close enough to the source to get it right) and ended up having to
> totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No, it wasn't just a
> little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off that didn't allow 
> the
> bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between the boot lid 
> and
> the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on - all the same crappy
> work.
>
> Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher and make my own panels.
>
> Stepping off the box now...
>
> Brian
>
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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Nov 27 14:01:27 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:01:27 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
References: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1354050087.85329.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

AFAIK, Rimmjer is a British Motor Heritage authorised stockist and can source
the so-called 'off original tools' parts from BMH. I guess they can also
source non-BMH 'will(sort of) fit' stuff from other suppliers. Additionally,
how many re-shapes / mods / whatevers did the MGB undergo in its 500,000+
model life? And in the middle of all that, you have the human factor of
incorrect part labelling / computer failures et al. After 40 years in the
parts business, anything can happen and usually does.

Jonmac
 
PS NFI or any
other involvement with Rimmers or anyone else
 
>________________________________
> From: Brian Induni
<308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
>Sent: Tuesday, 27
November 2012, 19:59
>Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do
on a Triumph?
>  
>Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is
crappy replacement
>body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can
supply decent (I didn't
>say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have to
slice, dice, and reshape.
>Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63
MGB from Rimmer (figured
>it was close enough to the source to get it right)
and ended up having to
>totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No,
it wasn't just a
>little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off that
didn't allow the
>bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between
the boot lid and
>the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on - all
the same crappy
>work.
>
>Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher
and make my own panels.
>
>Stepping off the box now...
>
>Brian
>
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From jagmog at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 14:32:00 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:32:00 -0800
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
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Last December while on a shakedown run, the harmonic balancer on my new AH
3000 engine broke at the woodruff key slot.  It then chewed up the
lockwasher and then dognut came undone.  

The dognut exited through the brand new radiator and then to the bottom of
the freshly painted aluminum cowl/shroud.  It also chewed up the end of the
crankshaft.

All told the damages were about $1,700 on the freshly restored car with 25
miles on it.

I am restoring a customers AH3000 now, and received the engine back from the
machine shop last week.  Out of curiosity, I pulled the damper, sandblasted
it and sprayed it with some pb blaster to look for any cracks.   It had a
crack at the woodruff key slot..................  I have recommended to him
that we replace it rather than suffer a similar fate.

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of ashleys
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:00 PM
To: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

Hi!,
Fitting a rebuilt engine to a TR6.When running in at 2000 revs a bad harsh
sound coming from engine,oil pressure normal,not good so out came engine had
a good look at shaft,pistons etc no fault found.Went ahead and rebuilt
another TR6 engine only used rebuilt cyclinder head.While the block was away
getting rebored/shaft grind i spent more time to see what was causing this
strange sound.
Guest what,a simple fault was found.When i pulled this engine some years ago
i found that the short oil pipe fitted to the oil pump was loose at the lock
nut.When refitting the shaft and oil pump i did not check to see if there
was clearance between gauze and bottom of sump,so on inspection the gauze
had a flat spot and shiney,like wise the sump bottom had awee wear mark.
At 2000 revs the oil pump gauze was beating the sump like a drum- get the
drift.
I went ahead with the fitting of the replacement engine,now run in and no
such noise,a pleasure to drive.  I now have a rebuilt short block TR motor
for sale.

When rebuilding TR 6 over 8 years i had to by in [19] new inner panels,rear
and front panels ,rear deck,b posts,sills,not one panel was correct size,one
inner left guard was 32mm short in the arch area,my supplier told me that
the other 5 inner they had in stock were the same,the supplier didnt what to
know.I was given 40 UK pounds credit for me to correct,as for the other
problems,tough luck you get what you get.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Induni" <308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?


> Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is crappy 
> replacement body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can 
> supply decent (I didn't say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have 
> to slice, dice, and reshape.
> Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63 MGB from Rimmer 
> (figured it was close enough to the source to get it right) and ended 
> up having to totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No, it 
> wasn't just a little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off 
> that didn't allow the bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the 
> gap between the boot lid and the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, 
> and so on - all the same crappy work.
>
> Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher and make my own panels.
>
> Stepping off the box now...
>
> Brian
>
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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Tue Nov 27 14:51:25 2012
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (McGaheyRx at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 16:51:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
Message-ID: <394a.22c8c86e.3de68fdd@aol.com>

I have fitted at least 2 of BMH approved TR8/TR7 front spoilers from Rimmer 
 which I am certain were produced from original tooling to exactly original 
 specifications - They are just as ill fitting as the original and all have 
 to be warped in the same direction as the originals were,  to stand any  
chance of getting them on.
 
YMMV with other parts I suppose, but I wonder how many fit incorrectly  
BECAUSE they are EXACXTLY like the originals.
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/27/2012 4:28:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk writes:

AFAIK,  Rimmjer is a British Motor Heritage authorised stockist and can 
source
the  so-called 'off original tools' parts from BMH. I guess they can also
source  non-BMH 'will(sort of) fit' stuff from other suppliers. 
Additionally,
how  many re-shapes / mods / whatevers did the MGB undergo in its 500,000+
model  life? And in the middle of all that, you have the human factor of
incorrect  part labelling / computer failures et al. After 40 years in the
parts  business, anything can happen and usually does.

Jonmac

PS NFI or  any
other involvement with Rimmers or anyone  else

>________________________________
> From: Brian  Induni
<308gtsi at roadrunner.com>
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net  
>Sent: Tuesday, 27
November 2012, 19:59
>Subject: Re: [TR]  what is the most stressful thing to do
on a Triumph?
>   
>Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is
crappy  replacement
>body panels! I haven't found one source yet that  can
supply decent (I didn't
>say perfect did I?) panels that I don't  have to
slice, dice, and reshape.
>Case in point - I ordered a rear  valance for my '63
MGB from Rimmer (figured
>it was close enough to  the source to get it right)
and ended up having to
>totally reshape  it to get the correct curve in it. No,
it wasn't just a
>little off -  the curvature of the panel was so far off that
didn't allow  the
>bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between
the  boot lid and
>the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on -  all
the same crappy
>work.
>
>Seems to make sense to buy  a shrinker / stretcher
and make my own panels.
>
>Stepping off  the box  now...
>
>Brian
>
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From thomasb at queensu.ca  Tue Nov 27 14:53:11 2012
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 21:53:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] Need "trashed" TR4A Driver's Door
Message-ID: <C11A4D073AAF8042BECE2B3D862F4EF80E0ACEEC@MP-DUP-MBX-02.AD.QUEENSU.CA>

Hi  guys,

I'm looking for a "trashed" TR4A LH door with a good check-strap pickup - body
shop wants to cut it out for use in mine which has gone through a number of
fixes welding in part of a washer - this just doesn't stand up.

Anyone have something appropriate?

Cheers,

Brian

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Nov 27 15:33:44 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:33:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
References: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01cdccef$435cfcf0$ca16f6d0$@uprichard.net>

When I restored my TR3B I bought 4 new fenders (at around a grand apiece)
and had to cut, weld and fill them. Maybe the car was the wrong shape, but
they just would not fit.  For my latest restoration ('57 small-mouth), I
decided to keep the original fenders and accept a lot of bodywork time and a
liberal amount of bondo. 

TR3 doglegs are the worst - I ended up returning several to the usual
suppliers here and sourcing alloy ones from the UK.

Let me know when you start making your own panels......

Andrew Uprichard

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian Induni
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:59 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is crappy replacement
body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can supply decent (I didn't
say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have to slice, dice, and reshape.
Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63 MGB from Rimmer (figured
it was close enough to the source to get it right) and ended up having to
totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No, it wasn't just a
little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off that didn't allow the
bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between the boot lid and
the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on - all the same crappy
work.

Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher and make my own panels.

Stepping off the box now...

Brian

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 27 16:10:13 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 15:10:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <00bc01cdccef$435cfcf0$ca16f6d0$@uprichard.net>
References: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
	<00bc01cdccef$435cfcf0$ca16f6d0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1354057813.88022.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i agree with a lot of the replies on PIA problems.
 
similarly i wanted to put
a TR2 apron on my TR3.
my original fender was no where near close. like 1" off
at mid curve.
ended up using Randall's fender from his wrecked car. thanks
again.
 
or when some fool (me) mixed the high build primer 2 part with the
epoxy primer and sprayed it over completely finished tub. it never did dry.
 
 
but stressful...defiantly putting the painted panels back on. all that work
and effort could suddenly be ruined
 
 

From: Andrew Uprichard
<auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most
stressful thing to do on a Triumph?

When I restored my TR3B I bought 4 new
fenders (at around a grand apiece)
and had to cut, weld and fill them. Maybe
the car was the wrong shape, but
they just would not fit.  For my latest
restoration ('57 small-mouth), I
decided to keep the original fenders and
accept a lot of bodywork time and a
liberal amount of bondo. 

TR3 doglegs are
the worst - I ended up returning several to the usual
suppliers here and
sourcing alloy ones from the UK.

Let me know when you start making your own
panels......

Andrew Uprichard

-----Original Message-----
From:
triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On
Behalf Of Brian Induni
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 2:59 PM
To:
triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to
do on a Triumph?

Most frustrating thing for me on ANY car I restore is crappy
replacement
body panels! I haven't found one source yet that can supply decent
(I didn't
say perfect did I?) panels that I don't have to slice, dice, and
reshape.
Case in point - I ordered a rear valance for my '63 MGB from Rimmer
(figured
it was close enough to the source to get it right) and ended up
having to
totally reshape it to get the correct curve in it. No, it wasn't
just a
little off - the curvature of the panel was so far off that didn't
allow the
bumper to fit and I could stick my hand in the gap between the boot
lid and
the edge. Dog legs, fender repair panels, and so on - all the same
crappy
work.

Seems to make sense to buy a shrinker / stretcher and make my
own panels.

Stepping off the box now...

Brian

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Tue Nov 27 17:28:22 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:28:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK
Message-ID: <001901cdccff$464f2090$d2ed61b0$@verizon.net>

Was looking for a switch and came across this online electrical catalog at
http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm 
 
They also have a Triumph specific portal at
http://www.holden.co.uk/displayProductsByMake.asp?carMake=Triumph
<http://www.holden.co.uk/displayProductsByMake.asp?carMake=Triumph&carMakeCo
de=T2> &carMakeCode=T2 
 
I wasn't successful on my switch search but found the site and resources
interesting.
 
Carl
1961 Triumph TR3A - TS81802LO
 <http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/> http://mysite.verizon.net/cfmtr3a/ 

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue Nov 27 17:45:56 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:45:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is the most stressful thing to do on a Triumph?
In-Reply-To: <1354057813.88022.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <003d01cdccd9$ac9025f0$05b071d0$@roadrunner.com>
	<00bc01cdccef$435cfcf0$ca16f6d0$@uprichard.net>
	<1354057813.88022.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeN-RD3+wro2ZHQWA12zqw6kaEBxS8teZoz0SVGW+zhkGg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of you know I had my TR2 in high school..... so the most stressful
thing to me was trying to get to 2nd base......

From roadwarriordave at hotmail.com  Tue Nov 27 22:37:17 2012
From: roadwarriordave at hotmail.com (Dave Murphy)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 00:37:17 -0500
Subject: [TR]  Blue Upholstery kits for 1975 TR6
Message-ID: <SNT133-W380A12F50E86553CAE072DA35D0@phx.gbl>

Allan,
If the colour swatch looks the correct shade, definitely go with the leather!
Leather is worth the extra $225 for the unique wrinkles that appear as it ages
and for that wonderfull smell. And I think it breaths better than the original
"vented" vinyl.
I had the seats redone on my '76 TR6 in the spring by a pro. The foam started
disintigrating in 2008 and by 2012 the seats had become extremely
uncomfortable. I think the pro (Pete's Uphostery in Taylor Michigan) charged
around $220 and he did a perfect job using materials I'd purchased from Moss
(on sale at 15% to 17% off) - I bought the black leather kit & seat foam kit
for 2 seats and a diaphram with mounting hooks to replace the straps and hooks
on just the drivers side cushion. Vicky Britt and TRF don't offer leather.
The black vinyl that came with TR6 is extremely durable and I  I could have
reused it, but I wondered if that vinyl (or even the new vinyl) would look
good in another 5 to 15 years.
I also added seat heaters which makes top down T shirt driving on chilly
summer nights or fall mornings possible and the standard alternator handles
the load just fine.
-Dave Murphy
Dearborn MI
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------------
Allan Reich wrote:
Then I have to do the seats and have a few questions about the big three
and their seat kits.
Also opinions of foam kits and strap sets.
Also interested opinions on if I am wasting money on leather vs pleather!
Allan Reich
Vancouver Canada
1975 TR6 - CF30255U

From lgmtr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 28 03:23:08 2012
From: lgmtr6 at yahoo.com (Triumph List)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 05:23:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Blue Upholstery kits for 1975 TR6
In-Reply-To: <SNT133-W380A12F50E86553CAE072DA35D0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT133-W380A12F50E86553CAE072DA35D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3D48F234-6B83-440B-83EE-27A4E7196C91@yahoo.com>

Dave
Ive bought a few seat kits over the years. I currently have a French Blue 74
TR6 which I restored about 9 years ago. My car had no interior when I bought
the project so I went through the same drill of choosing interior color and
style. I choose the TRF seat kits in black vinyl due to the faithful
reproduction to original patterns. After many trips and miles they still look
new. I had put shadow blue seat kits into a prior sapphire blue 74 TR6  and
red kits into a 71 white TR6 and they looked great as well. (TRF as well). The
only problem I had was the shadow blue carpet faded very quickly. I also used
the black leather kit from Moss on my first TR6 restoration from 20+ years ago
and they were very nice, and wore well, but did not have the original pattern.
That's a long time ago so they are sure to have changed since then. I've not
used Vicky Brit but have seen their light tan seats (not an original color)
and it is beautiful especially on the BRG car I saw it installed in. Finally,
I just reupholstered my Stag seats with new kits from Rimmer Brothers. While
nice, they are not the same quality as I have seen from the US big three but I
was limited as Rimmer was the only affordable option for the Stag so I
wouldn't go with them for the TR6. So, I think the answer is they are all
quality kits and to go with the color and style you like best. IMHO.
Larry Miceli
Mount Dora, Fl
74 TR6 (done!)
73 Stag (at the painter!)
58 TR3 (in boxes...)

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Dave Murphy <roadwarriordave at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Allan,
> If the colour swatch looks the correct shade, definitely go with the
leather!
> Leather is worth the extra $225 for the unique wrinkles that appear as it
ages
> and for that wonderfull smell. And I think it breaths better than the
original
> "vented" vinyl.
> I had the seats redone on my '76 TR6 in the spring by a pro. The foam
started
> disintigrating in 2008 and by 2012 the seats had become extremely
> uncomfortable. I think the pro (Pete's Uphostery in Taylor Michigan)
charged
> around $220 and he did a perfect job using materials I'd purchased from
Moss
> (on sale at 15% to 17% off) - I bought the black leather kit & seat foam
kit
> for 2 seats and a diaphram with mounting hooks to replace the straps and
hooks
> on just the drivers side cushion. Vicky Britt and TRF don't offer leather.
> The black vinyl that came with TR6 is extremely durable and I  I could have
> reused it, but I wondered if that vinyl (or even the new vinyl) would look
> good in another 5 to 15 years.
> I also added seat heaters which makes top down T shirt driving on chilly
> summer nights or fall mornings possible and the standard alternator handles
> the load just fine.
> -Dave Murphy
> Dearborn MI
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> Allan Reich wrote:
> Then I have to do the seats and have a few questions about the big three
> and their seat kits.
> Also opinions of foam kits and strap sets.
> Also interested opinions on if I am wasting money on leather vs pleather!
> Allan Reich
> Vancouver Canada
> 1975 TR6 - CF30255U
>
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From roadwarriordave at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 28 09:21:32 2012
From: roadwarriordave at hotmail.com (Dave Murphy)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:21:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Blue Upholstery kits for 1975 TR6
In-Reply-To: <3D48F234-6B83-440B-83EE-27A4E7196C91@yahoo.com>
References: <SNT133-W380A12F50E86553CAE072DA35D0@phx.gbl>,
	<3D48F234-6B83-440B-83EE-27A4E7196C91@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT133-W2669F587ECB3D7ABC1292BA35D0@phx.gbl>

Allan & Larry,
The upholstery pattern on my black leather kit that I bought last year from
Moss for my '76 TR6 is identical to the original vinyl pattern (same number
and size of horizontal pleats, panel sizes and piping locations,  etc.) except
there are no diamond shaped angle-cut vent holes in the horizontal leather
pleats.
-Dave Murphy,
Dearborn MI

> Larry Miceli wrote:
 I choose the TRF seat kits in black vinyl due to the faithful reproduction to
original patterns.


Dave Murphy wrote:
> > If the colour swatch looks the correct shade, definitely go with the
leather
> >  for the unique wrinkles that appear as it ages
> > and for that wonderfull smell. And I think it breaths better than the
original "vented" vinyl.

Allan Reich wrote:
> > > > Also interested opinions on if I am wasting money on leather vs
pleather!

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 10:45:30 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:45:30 -0800
Subject: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK
In-Reply-To: <001901cdccff$464f2090$d2ed61b0$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <99.73.21565.2BD46B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Was looking for a switch and came across this online 
> electrical catalog at
> http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm 

Watch out for shipping, though.  It can easily cost more than the part and I
have even had a customs broker wanting more after the fact.  (ISTR that
order was from Rimmers though, not Holden.)

-- Randall 

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 28 10:57:32 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 09:57:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK
In-Reply-To: <99.73.21565.2BD46B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <001901cdccff$464f2090$d2ed61b0$@verizon.net>
	<99.73.21565.2BD46B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1354125452.76908.YahooMailNeo@web120003.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i did not look too close. but remember
British headlights dip to the left,
while USA headlights dip to the right.
 

From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent:
Wednesday, November 28, 2012 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK

>
Was looking for a switch and came across this online 
> electrical catalog at
> http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm 

Watch
out for shipping, though.  It can easily cost more than the part and I
have
even had a customs broker wanting more after the fact.  (ISTR that
order was
from Rimmers though, not Holden.)

-- Randall 

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From jimstr4 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 28 12:44:17 2012
From: jimstr4 at gmail.com (Jim Vassiliadis)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:44:17 +1300
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s are there?
Message-ID: <18465258CA0645E8A8DB38D92B056D05@AMD5400>

A bit of progress at last.
 
My 1962 TR4 is back in my garage after being stored in my mothers garage.
After removing the engine to have it recond and taking some of the car apart
I ended up doing very little on my car.
The engine has been recond (only did 20,000miles on the previous recond) and
the car now sits in my own garage with my wifes Honda del Sol CRX on the car
pad.
I have started to work on it again.
I need to brush up on my welding skills.
My excuse is that I was busy painting my house and starting up my new
business.
Heres hoping I continue as I miss driving my TR4.
Its a 1962 with the original engine and box.
 
Jim and the black TR4.

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 28 21:04:33 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:04:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
Message-ID: <1354161873.39988.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Reading others experiences with body panels reminds me of problems I had with
fenders.  Two of the same fenders I took off my tr-3 wereneeding serious
changes in order to get them to fit back on the car later.  One rear fender
needed to be lengthened an inch and a front fender needed a wedge shape cut
out to make it fit tight against he body.  

Amazing.............they must
have changed shape while stored for a few months.LOL

gary n.

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Wed Nov 28 21:15:41 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:15:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
In-Reply-To: <1354161873.39988.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1354161873.39988.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F67A75231A24454B9BE69DFAFCC8D0FD@GregPC>

The stressful or at least frustrating thing for me in fitting the body 
panels to my TR250 was having a panel that fit fine, then adding the rubber 
seal and having the panel not settle "home" by a good margin.  Real trouble 
with the trunk lid seal, even tried a 2nd seal from a company who advertised 
theirs didn't have that problem, it still did, and the scuttle seal, tried a 
couple of those and the thing won't go anywhere near flat with either one.

Greg Lemon

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Nov 29 02:35:40 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:35:40 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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The thing for me is the realisation that many of my former friends in
Engineering were little more than sadists. They completely overlooked the fact
that many among us down the years have been youthful in heart, though much
longer in the tooth. Waking each day as I do with aching joints and perhaps a
little too much 'circumferentially' - I especially curse all TR Spitfire, GT6,
and certainly curse Little and large Healeys, Morris Garages variants and
those things from Jaguar that look like a flying bedpan.
It's not that I'm
jealous but simply because whenever I have the opportunity to ride in or drive
a sports car, it's raining and the hood is erected. It's bad enough getting in
- but getting out is hell on earth.
 
Jonmac   

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Nov 29 05:37:35 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:37:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
Message-ID: <eace.448cc0e9.3de8b10f@cs.com>

I fond it ironic, to say the least, that a country infamous for having 
rainy weather produced the most popular convertible sports cars in the world.  
With the most fiddly tops.

Dave

In a message dated 11/29/2012 3:35:58 AM Central Standard Time, 
flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk writes: 
> It's not that I'm
> jealous but simply because whenever I have the opportunity to ride in or 
> drive
> a sports car, it's raining and the hood is erected. It's bad enough 
> getting in
> - but getting out is hell on earth.

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:01:38 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:01:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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On 11/28/12 9:04 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> Reading others experiences with body panels reminds me of problems I had with
> fenders.  Two of the same fenders I took off my tr-3 wereneeding serious
> changes in order to get them to fit back on the car later.  One rear fender
> needed to be lengthened an inch and a front fender needed a wedge shape cut
> out to make it fit tight against he body.
>
> Amazing.............they must
> have changed shape while stored for a few months.LOL
>
Did you have the body off the frame?

When I rebuilt my 3 I took all the removable panels off the body but 
left the body on the frame. Both floor boards and sills were replaced, 
one at a time, with the body on the frame, and the rear valance was 
replaced with a new one.  All the body panels just bolted back on in place.

TeriAnn

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Nov 29 06:19:38 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 08:19:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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Aarrghhhh - how true !  Trunk lid now sits proud and I couldn't get the
spare tire cover back on after fitting the new
seal...............................

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 11:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] stressful things in triumph

The stressful or at least frustrating thing for me in fitting the body
panels to my TR250 was having a panel that fit fine, then adding the rubber
seal and having the panel not settle "home" by a good margin.  Real trouble
with the trunk lid seal, even tried a 2nd seal from a company who advertised
theirs didn't have that problem, it still did, and the scuttle seal, tried a
couple of those and the thing won't go anywhere near flat with either one.

Greg Lemon

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:30:33 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:30:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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On 11/29/12 2:35 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> The thing for me is the realisation that many of my former friends in
> Engineering were little more than sadists. They completely overlooked the fact
> that many among us down the years have been youthful in heart, though much
> longer in the tooth. Waking each day as I do with aching joints and perhaps a
> little too much 'circumferentially' - I especially curse all TR Spitfire, GT6,
> and certainly curse Little and large Healeys, Morris Garages variants and
> those things from Jaguar that look like a flying bedpan.
> It's not that I'm
> jealous but simply because whenever I have the opportunity to ride in or drive
> a sports car, it's raining and the hood is erected. It's bad enough getting in
> - but getting out is hell on earth.
>
Sadists?  I always thought the problem was that the folks who designed 
many of the cars were height challenged and designed cars that fit their 
short stature and short legs.  The cars would have been different if 
Donald Healey and Colin Chapman were around 6 foot 2 or 4 and the 
average Brit male was at least 6 foot tall or taller.

First time I sat in a BJ8 I was heartbroken to discover that my knee hit 
the bottom of the instrument panel before my foot got high enough to 
clear the clutch pedal unless I angled my leg sideways.  I had thought a 
big Healey would be a grand third car until then. The only time I tried 
a GT6 I found my knees on either side of the steering wheel.  I figure 
if I ever got one I would have to remove the front seat and sit on a 
cushion or something instead.  They were not meant for people with long 
legs.

I have just assumed that the fun of driving a British Roadster would be 
a proper inducement to keep the personal circumference small enough for 
easy entrance and exit.  Though I have to admit getting out of a 3 with 
the hard top on is a tad less than graceful when you are on the tall 
side as I tend to back out of the car.

"A Jag looks like a flying bed pan"  That image would have never 
occurred to me.

TeriAnn

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 06:33:57 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 06:33:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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On 11/29/12 5:37 AM, Dave1massey at cs.com wrote:
> I fond it ironic, to say the least, that a country infamous for having
> rainy weather produced the most popular convertible sports cars in the world.
> With the most fiddly tops.
>
>
And don't forget minimalist heaters.  I guess that's why most of them 
were exported to the warmer U.S. States.

TeriAnn

From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Thu Nov 29 07:03:33 2012
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack Mc)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:03:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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The prototypical post war British sports car must have been designed for
former RAF fighter pilots - smallish, wiry, rugged survivors accustomed to
being in cramped uncomfortable places and just glad to be alive and on the
ground.

For decades I thought I wanted an E-type. A recent drive in a 1970 E-type
convertible has cured me forever. My eyes, which already dry out easier than
they used to, are just about even with the top of the windscreen, and my size
11d foot can't hit the go pedal without also brushing the stop pedal. I still
think it has a beautiful shape, but the bedpan analogy fits when ingress and
egress is attempted.

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPad

On Nov 29, 2012, at 4:35 AM, John Macartney <flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> The thing for me is the realisation that many of my former friends in
> Engineering were little more than sadists. They completely overlooked the
fact
> that many among us down the years have been youthful in heart, though much
> longer in the tooth. Waking each day as I do with aching joints and perhaps
a
> little too much 'circumferentially' - I especially curse all TR Spitfire,
GT6,
> and certainly curse Little and large Healeys, Morris Garages variants and
> those things from Jaguar that look like a flying bedpan.
> It's not that I'm
> jealous but simply because whenever I have the opportunity to ride in or
drive
> a sports car, it's raining and the hood is erected. It's bad enough getting
in
> - but getting out is hell on earth.
>
> Jonmac
>
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From wensley_tr at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 07:35:16 2012
From: wensley_tr at comcast.net (Craig)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:35:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK
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Wow...I never saw that coming 

Thanks Frank 

 

Craig

 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:58 PM
To: Randall; cfmtr3a at verizon.net; 'Triumphs'
Subject: Re: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK

 

i did not look too close. but remember

British headlights dip to the left,

while USA headlights dip to the right.

 

From: Randall < <mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com> TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

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Sent:

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Subject: Re: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK

 

> 

Was looking for a switch and came across this online 

> electrical catalog at

>  <http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm>
http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm

 

Watch

out for shipping, though.  It can easily cost more than the part and I have
even had a customs broker wanting more after the fact.  (ISTR that order was
from Rimmers though, not Holden.)

 

-- Randall 

 

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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 07:37:04 2012
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:37:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhaust Manifolds
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List, 



Will a '76 TR6 exhaust manifold fit an early (TR250) cylinder head? 



Ed Woods 

From lherault at bu.edu  Thu Nov 29 08:09:27 2012
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:09:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] height challenge(d) and TRs
Message-ID: <00c901cdce43$862980d0$927c8270$@bu.edu>

At  barely 5 feet tall, I can truly say that the cars are not made for those
of us who are normal height.   I use a small booster cushion on the seat and
have had the brake and clutch pedals bent forward a bit  (Triumph dealer in
'71) used a torch to heat the pedal but forgot to have the brake light
switch removed first.   Doh!)   I actually raised the seat of my '58 TR3
with 2x4s (probably not the safest thing to do) but did not change the
pedals.   The seat was very close to the steering wheel.  Mechanics and
vehicle inspectors cursed me.

Ron L

From pethier at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 08:15:58 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 15:15:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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Dick O'Kane beat you to this observation.  He paired it with the fact that the epitome of desigen in sunny Italy was the coupe.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave1massey at cs.com
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:37:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] stressful things in triumph
> I fond it ironic, to say the least, that a country infamous for having
> rainy weather produced the most popular convertible sports cars in the
> world.
> With the most fiddly tops.
> 
> Dave

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 08:21:11 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:21:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Holden Vintage in UK
Message-ID: <32773495.205652.1354202471170.JavaMail.root@vznit170170>

JFYI - Much like other resource materials, I think the catalog and TR section will be useful when I am trying to find something or see what that particular piece looks like/installs, etc.   I just found the site very well put together and user friendly as well as informative.
 
I realize shipping may be an issue for many of the parts offered by them and others in GB. 
C
 

On 11/28/12, Randall 
wrote:

> Was looking for a switch and came across this online 
> electrical catalog at
> http://content.yudu.com/Aydsc/HoldenVintageClassic/resources/1.htm 

Watch out for shipping, though. It can easily cost more than the part and I
have even had a customs broker wanting more after the fact. (ISTR that
order was from Rimmers though, not Holden.)

-- Randall 

From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Nov 29 08:28:23 2012
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:28:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] stressful things in triumph
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 I don't know what the sales percentages were, but New York and New England
also saw an awful lot of British cars. Up here, we're not exactly known for
our palm trees or cactus! ;)



--Andy Mace

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-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>


On 11/29/12 5:37 AM, Dave1massey at cs.com wrote:
> I fond it ironic, to say the least, that a country infamous for having
> rainy weather produced the most popular convertible sports cars in the
world.
> With the most fiddly tops.
>
>
And don't forget minimalist heaters.  I guess that's why most of them
were exported to the warmer U.S. States.

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Nov 29 08:52:15 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 07:52:15 -0800
Subject: [TR] height challenge(d) and TRs
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At six foot six, I gotta agree with you about TRs and height, Ron.  It
only took moving my TR3B seat back an inch or so to give me enough
legroom to stretch out straight!

Here's the modification underway by John Mangles here in St Louis at
All British Car Repair:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/1143349206_tshwV-L.jpg

Don



On 11/29/12, Ron L'Herault <lherault at bu.edu> wrote:
> At  barely 5 feet tall, I can truly say that the cars are not made for
> those
> of us who are normal height.   I use a small booster cushion on the seat
> and
> have had the brake and clutch pedals bent forward a bit  (Triumph dealer in
> '71) used a torch to heat the pedal but forgot to have the brake light
> switch removed first.   Doh!)   I actually raised the seat of my '58 TR3
> with 2x4s (probably not the safest thing to do) but did not change the
> pedals.   The seat was very close to the steering wheel.  Mechanics and
> vehicle inspectors cursed me.
>
> Ron L
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Nov 29 09:37:08 2012
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 09:37:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Grill badges
Message-ID: <C41F0528F97C4AC89A815ED952CBCBF7@Vista>

Since offering to do another production run, I have had very few people
interested in these things.  Therefore I will not be able to do another
production run.  Perhaps in the future this will come up again and I will
receive enough interest at that time.

 

Cheers,

Joe

From pethier at comcast.net  Thu Nov 29 10:46:22 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:46:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Grill badges
In-Reply-To: <C41F0528F97C4AC89A815ED952CBCBF7@Vista>
Message-ID: <772951455.198556.1354211182854.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

For those interested, I think I have one extra triumphs at autox.team.net grill badge.  I had ordered one, and then I bought a car that already had one.

Send me a private Email if you are interested.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 10:37:08 AM
> Subject: [TR] Grill badges
> Since offering to do another production run, I have had very few
> people
> interested in these things. Therefore I will not be able to do another
> production run. Perhaps in the future this will come up again and I
> will
> receive enough interest at that time.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Joe
> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Nov 29 11:59:18 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:59:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhaust Manifolds
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Possibly. But not one with the closely cast inlet ports.

Andrew Uprichard

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Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhaust Manifolds

List, 



Will a '76 TR6 exhaust manifold fit an early (TR250) cylinder head? 



Ed Woods 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 29 15:56:00 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:56:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
Message-ID: <88C15F433F0C47D6A8B7F2A49CB6715B@bboffice>

Thinking on this current project that I am going to paint the beading
between the wings and the tub, saw a TR2 at VTR and it looked good.  ISTR
that TR2's & early 3's used a black rubber bead in this place.  
 
Has anyone used any alternate materials in this application?  I am thinking
there might be something that would have a more of a flat profile than the
rounded beading that is usually seen.
 
Many thanks,
Bill
 
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
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"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
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From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 16:16:00 2012
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:16:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhaust Manifolds
In-Reply-To: <1385536541.785244.1354199824319.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1385536541.785244.1354199824319.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <26A5AA73-F939-465C-83CA-3614BDF9AF09@verizon.net>

I installed one on my 69 TR6 with no problem. The intake
ports are different not the exhaust.

Dean Tetterton

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:37 AM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote:

> List,
>
>
>
> Will a '76 TR6 exhaust manifold fit an early (TR250) cylinder head?
>
>
>
> Ed Woods
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 16:33:45 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:33:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
In-Reply-To: <88C15F433F0C47D6A8B7F2A49CB6715B@bboffice>
Message-ID: <20121129233346.IGKJR.12645.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 
> Thinking on this current project that I am going to paint the beading
> between the wings and the tub, saw a TR2 at VTR and it looked good.  ISTR
> that TR2's & early 3's used a black rubber bead in this place.  

It was only TR2, and the bead was normally colored to match the trim.  My SPC lists black, Olive Yellow, Green, Red, Geranium and White.

> Has anyone used any alternate materials in this application?  I am thinking
> there might be something that would have a more of a flat profile than the
> rounded beading that is usually seen.

The original TR2 bead did have a head that was rather wider and flatter than the later chrome beads.  There is a photo of the profile at
http://goo.gl/7Y8b2
(courtesy of Nick Morgan).  According to a long-ago list post by TR Householder, Moss sells (or at least sold) a fender welting for MGA that is a good match (after you paint it).

Randall

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 16:33:55 2012
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:33:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
Message-ID: <20121129233356.F1TWL.12648.root@cdptpa-web19-z01>

---- Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 
> Thinking on this current project that I am going to paint the beading
> between the wings and the tub, saw a TR2 at VTR and it looked good.  ISTR
> that TR2's & early 3's used a black rubber bead in this place.  

It was only TR2, and the bead was normally colored to match the trim.  My SPC lists black, Olive Yellow, Green, Red, Geranium and White.

> Has anyone used any alternate materials in this application?  I am thinking
> there might be something that would have a more of a flat profile than the
> rounded beading that is usually seen.

The original TR2 bead did have a head that was rather wider and flatter than the later chrome beads.  There is a photo of the profile at
http://goo.gl/7Y8b2
(courtesy of Nick Morgan).  According to a long-ago list post by TR Householder, Moss sells (or at least sold) a fender welting for MGA that is a good match (after you paint it).

Randall

From jagmog at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 29 19:02:18 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:02:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>

I'll pay for my folks on Sunday.

 

Fuckin' deadbeats.......  

 

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting

702-882-6711

 

From: Bill Wellbaum [mailto:wcwellbaum at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:08 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jagmog at hotmail.com
Subject: Those who haven't paid up:

 

Adashek

Berent

Bowen

Carleton

Erwin

Guzman

Hulshouser

Stan Jones

Neill Newbold

Ogle

Payne (senior)

Scearce

Spencer

Stroncek

Zehnder

Goodman

 

I don't expect Hulshouser, Jones, Scearce,   or Spencer to stay on.

From Loumetelko at aol.com  Thu Nov 29 19:09:47 2012
From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:09:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
Message-ID: <1cd1b.38fb9342.3de96f6b@aol.com>

It was only TR2, and the bead was normally colored to match the  trim.  My 
SPC lists black, Olive Yellow, Green, Red, Geranium and  White.




The beading on all TR2s were painted body colors and the colors listed  
above were the body colors available.
 
All of the 2s that I am familiar with had the beading sourced from an  
English company named "Woolies" with an Internet address of 
_www.woolies-trim.co.uk_ (http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk)      In late 2000 I ordered 7 meters of 
part number 274-WH from Woolies.  The  shipping was more than the beading 
but the total cost for the seven meters was  about $20 (in year 2000).  As I 
remember the only colors was white and  black and I was told that if the 
body is to be a light color then order white  and if dark order black.  The 
beading on my TR2 was painted off the  car and now some 12 years and 32,000 
miles later not a hint of any peeling or  dings.
 
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana

From jagmog at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 29 19:10:22 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:10:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS10C1E6CB9155F2C06A9779C6430@phx.gbl>

To all that received this,  my apologies for the language- apparently  we
had a snafu on our "autopopulate" the email recipients.

My parents aren't really deadbeats, it was intended as an inside joke.

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jonas Payne
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 6:02 PM
To: 'Bill Wellbaum'; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:

I'll pay for my folks on Sunday.

 

Fuckin' deadbeats.......  

 

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting

702-882-6711

 

From: Bill Wellbaum [mailto:wcwellbaum at cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:08 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jagmog at hotmail.com
Subject: Those who haven't paid up:

 

Adashek

Berent

Bowen

Carleton

Erwin

Guzman

Hulshouser

Stan Jones

Neill Newbold

Ogle

Payne (senior)

Scearce

Spencer

Stroncek

Zehnder

Goodman

 

I don't expect Hulshouser, Jones, Scearce,   or Spencer to stay on.

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 29 19:55:08 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:55:08 -0600
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>

Paid for what?

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:02 PM, Jonas Payne <jagmog at hotmail.com> wrote:

I'll pay for my folks on Sunday.

Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting

702-882-6711



From: Bill Wellbaum [mailto:wcwellbaum at cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:08 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; jagmog at hotmail.com
Subject: Those who haven't paid up:



Adashek

Berent

Bowen

Carleton

Erwin

Guzman

Hulshouser

Stan Jones

Neill Newbold

Ogle

Payne (senior)

Scearce

Spencer

Stroncek

Zehnder

Goodman



I don't expect Hulshouser, Jones, Scearce,   or Spencer to stay on.

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 29 19:56:31 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:56:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
In-Reply-To: <1cd1b.38fb9342.3de96f6b@aol.com>
References: <1cd1b.38fb9342.3de96f6b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5D03B92F-51E6-4FB8-95D4-17CE4798EF5C@flash.net>

Is this the same trim that Moss sells?  They list it as gray.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 29, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Loumetelko at aol.com wrote:

It was only TR2, and the bead was normally colored to match the  trim.  My
SPC lists black, Olive Yellow, Green, Red, Geranium and  White.




The beading on all TR2s were painted body colors and the colors listed
above were the body colors available.

All of the 2s that I am familiar with had the beading sourced from an
English company named "Woolies" with an Internet address of
_www.woolies-trim.co.uk_ (http://www.woolies-trim.co.uk)      In late 2000 I
ordered 7 meters of
part number 274-WH from Woolies.  The  shipping was more than the beading
but the total cost for the seven meters was  about $20 (in year 2000).  As I
remember the only colors was white and  black and I was told that if the
body is to be a light color then order white  and if dark order black.  The
beading on my TR2 was painted off the  car and now some 12 years and 32,000
miles later not a hint of any peeling or  dings.

Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov 29 20:10:44 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:10:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
	<41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
Message-ID: <50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>

WBEECH wrote:
> Paid for what?
>
>

I imagine he's talking about the $500 a plate Team.Net holiday dinner 
this saturday
at my house ;-)

mjb.

From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 29 20:38:40 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 21:38:40 -0600
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
	<41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
	<50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <3532CA0A-324E-4D8C-A0B1-8A4D709B64A9@flash.net>

Rubber chicken? I'm there!!

Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

WBEECH wrote:
> Paid for what?

I imagine he's talking about the $500 a plate Team.Net holiday dinner this
saturday
at my house ;-)

mjb.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov 29 20:47:20 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:47:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <3532CA0A-324E-4D8C-A0B1-8A4D709B64A9@flash.net>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
	<41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
	<50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>
	<3532CA0A-324E-4D8C-A0B1-8A4D709B64A9@flash.net>
Message-ID: <50B82C48.6040803@bradakis.com>

WBEECH wrote:
> Rubber chicken? I'm there!!
>
>
Obviously you've never had a chance to partake of my cooking.
It would be the best rubber chicken you've ever eaten!

mjb.

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Nov 29 21:09:55 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:09:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
In-Reply-To: <1cd1b.38fb9342.3de96f6b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E.40.21565.68138B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> The beading on all TR2s were painted body colors

Sorry, I meant to say body color.  Thanks for pointing out the brain fart,
Lou.

-- Randall 

From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Nov 29 21:54:04 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:54:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <50B82C48.6040803@bradakis.com>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
	<41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
	<50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>
	<3532CA0A-324E-4D8C-A0B1-8A4D709B64A9@flash.net>
	<50B82C48.6040803@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <5E86B7C6-10DF-4900-BDBA-4A3FEFCD0121@flash.net>

I'll have to pass, but thanks for the reminder to put a little something into
the Team.Net stocking this month.

Thanks for everything you do for us,
Bill


Sent from mobile Bill

On Nov 29, 2012, at 9:47 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

WBEECH wrote:
> Rubber chicken? I'm there!!
Obviously you've never had a chance to partake of my cooking.
It would be the best rubber chicken you've ever eaten!

mjb.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Nov 29 22:33:26 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 22:33:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] Those who haven't paid up:
In-Reply-To: <5E86B7C6-10DF-4900-BDBA-4A3FEFCD0121@flash.net>
References: <A213631273AA41728AF2F0DEFB92A254@office>
	<BAY173-DS3621B41D7CC4953F6865CC6430@phx.gbl>
	<41B60090-B77C-4D74-BD83-1F28DA42DC3D@flash.net>
	<50B823B4.2050703@bradakis.com>
	<3532CA0A-324E-4D8C-A0B1-8A4D709B64A9@flash.net>
	<50B82C48.6040803@bradakis.com>
	<5E86B7C6-10DF-4900-BDBA-4A3FEFCD0121@flash.net>
Message-ID: <50B84526.9050909@bradakis.com>

WBEECH wrote:
> I'll have to pass, but thanks for the reminder to put a little something into the Team.Net stocking this month.
>
Thanks!  A bit short of the $500 needed for the rubber chicken, but I'll let
you slide this time ;-)

mjb.

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Nov 30 05:41:29 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:41:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR6 Exhaust Manifolds
Message-ID: <44e1.5b3faf07.3dea0379@cs.com>

Not sure but I believe so.  The exhaust ports did not move between the 
early and late TR6, it's likely that they didn't change between the TR250 and 
early TR6.  Hold a gasket up to the manifold and the head and see how the 
ports line up.

Dave

In a message dated 11/29/2012 8:41:33 AM Central Standard Time, 
fogbro1 at comcast.net writes: 
> Will a '76 TR6 exhaust manifold fit an early (TR250) cylinder head? 

From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Nov 30 08:40:41 2012
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:40:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
In-Reply-To: <4E.40.21565.68138B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <4E.40.21565.68138B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CF9D282F7126AD-1F80-3888E@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>

 "Technically" speaking, wasn't the original beading actually molded in the
body colors (rather than being painted)?



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

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-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>


> The beading on all TR2s were painted body colors

Sorry, I meant to say body color.  Thanks for pointing out the brain fart,
Lou.

-- Randall

From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Nov 30 09:02:26 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:02:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question
In-Reply-To: <8CF9D282F7126AD-1F80-3888E@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4E.40.21565.68138B05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<8CF9D282F7126AD-1F80-3888E@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <113846A72F8A4B2A9B97FE63AB6B4560@bboffice>

The Woolies web site carries a variety of colors in the beading/piping,
presumably to match, or come close to, the paint choices.

I, however will go with the flat "T" molding that they offer and paint it
Signal Red along with the car when the time comes.

Bill

 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew S. Mace
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:41 AM
To: TR3driver at ca.rr.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 painted wing beading question

 "Technically" speaking, wasn't the original beading actually molded in the
body colors (rather than being painted)?



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>


> The beading on all TR2s were painted body colors

Sorry, I meant to say body color.  Thanks for pointing out the brain fart,
Lou.

-- Randall

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From Dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Nov 30 10:50:10 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:50:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Restoration source
Message-ID: <374f5.2304e385.3dea4bd2@cs.com>

I was just put onto this outfit.  It looks like they only do horns and 
wiper motors.

http://www.british-car-part-restoration.com/index.html

Dave

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Nov 30 11:00:59 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 13:00:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Restoration source
In-Reply-To: <374f5.2304e385.3dea4bd2@cs.com>
References: <374f5.2304e385.3dea4bd2@cs.com>
Message-ID: <005601cdcf24$ab5d4080$0217c180$@uprichard.net>

"This outfit" is Lawrie Rhoads - a WW2 vet.

I know Lawrie well - we went to the same church when I lived in
Massachusetts.  He does great work.  All my horns and wipers are a tribute
to him.  I don't know if it is still the case, but if you sent your wiper
motors or horns to Moss, they subcontracted it all to Lawrie.

If you contact him, say hi from me.

Andrew Uprichard

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey at cs.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Restoration source

I was just put onto this outfit.  It looks like they only do horns and wiper
motors.

http://www.british-car-part-restoration.com/index.html

Dave

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri Nov 30 12:47:51 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 14:47:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Restoration source
In-Reply-To: <005601cdcf24$ab5d4080$0217c180$@uprichard.net>
References: <374f5.2304e385.3dea4bd2@cs.com>
	<005601cdcf24$ab5d4080$0217c180$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCd0U=_8wgZKfLZXgSApEnODOu045pSV3Basn38bpKiMA@mail.gmail.com>

Lawrie recently rebuilt the original Lucas DR2 motor from my TR3B, and did
a fine job.  It had a heavily corroded end plate and frozen rear bushing.
 All of it was taken care of perfectly.

Before:
http://www.smugmug.com/photos/i-M4DpN4X/0/L/i-M4DpN4X-L.jpg

After:
http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-3hTH63j/0/L/i-3hTH63j-L.jpg


Don


On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Andrew Uprichard
<auprichard at uprichard.net>wrote:

> "This outfit" is Lawrie Rhoads - a WW2 vet.
>
> I know Lawrie well - we went to the same church when I lived in
> Massachusetts.  He does great work.  All my horns and wipers are a tribute
> to him.  I don't know if it is still the case, but if you sent your wiper
> motors or horns to Moss, they subcontracted it all to Lawrie.
>
> If you contact him, say hi from me.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey at cs.com
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 12:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Restoration source
>
> I was just put onto this outfit.  It looks like they only do horns and
> wiper
> motors.
>
> http://www.british-car-part-restoration.com/index.html
>
> Dave
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Fri Nov 30 15:05:40 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 17:05:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] MIATA SEAT CONVERSION TO TR4A/TR-250/TR6
Message-ID: <8CF9D5DF83D686E-5C8-39505@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com>

 Just a heads up......

I talked to Sean last night

Sean Alexander has three conversion kits left on the shelf.

If you are planning on doing this conversion, you may consider reserving one.

It takes Sean about 8 weeks to manufacture and assemble 25 kits and he has
three kids active in sports.  :-)

You can contact Sean at:        alex3rail at gmail.com



Joe Alexander
A. R. E.
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From l1j1s at aol.com  Fri Nov 30 17:09:34 2012
From: l1j1s at aol.com (Lawrence Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:09:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr-Tr3-a Part WTD.
Message-ID: <B20E3426-7DBA-408B-B0CF-0C610A1B54E4@aol.com>

List, I am looking for a lower radiator protector bracket for my car. If
anyone has one please contact me @             L1J1S at AOL. COM  .  For
reference my car is a TS77317 OL. Cheers, Larry Schwartz

From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Nov 30 18:17:42 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:17:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] Tr-Tr3-a Part WTD.
In-Reply-To: <B20E3426-7DBA-408B-B0CF-0C610A1B54E4@aol.com>
References: <B20E3426-7DBA-408B-B0CF-0C610A1B54E4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <595A81579FC04927B6DE85A58B40C4FB@bboffice>

Here's one on eBay $54.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lawrence Schwartz
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 6:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Tr-Tr3-a Part WTD.

List, I am looking for a lower radiator protector bracket for my car. If
anyone has one please contact me @             L1J1S at AOL. COM  .  For
reference my car is a TS77317 OL. Cheers, Larry Schwartz

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