From davewillner at pa.net  Sat Dec  1 14:48:44 2012
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:48:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels
Message-ID: <CC6EDDE22E2544C9A1E4EEB10AD06B37@home45dd83c8be>

I may be inheriting a set of 4 chrome wire wheels that have some "light"
surface rust. I have powder coated wires on my TR and the MG that are holding
up very well. Is there a procedure or process for renewing chrome wheels for
the long term other than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel wool,
polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  1 11:15:07 2012
From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 11:15:07 -0700
Subject: [TR] Need a spire nut for a front fender
Message-ID: <BB62D874D0014847A7575FD747B602B3@Shemp>

Would anyone have leftovers from a fender mounting kit?  I need one J-clip for
a front fender for a TR4A.  Just thought Ibd offer to give your orphan
hardware a good home.

Thanks,

Cliff

From pethier at comcast.net  Sat Dec  1 15:42:23 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <CC6EDDE22E2544C9A1E4EEB10AD06B37@home45dd83c8be>
Message-ID: <1295860966.226045.1354401743159.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Are you saying that the wire spokes themselves are chromed mild steel?  And that there is surface rust on the wire spokes?

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "davewillner" <davewillner at pa.net>
> To: "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2012 3:48:44 PM
> Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels
> I may be inheriting a set of 4 chrome wire wheels that have some
> "light"
> surface rust. I have powder coated wires on my TR and the MG that are
> holding
> up very well. Is there a procedure or process for renewing chrome
> wheels for
> the long term other than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel
> wool,
> polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it
> 
> Dave Willner
> Stroudsburg PA
> 59 TR3A
> 70 MGB
> 70 BSA 441 VS

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 17:51:38 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 16:51:38 -0800
Subject: [TR] chrome wire wheels
In-Reply-To: <CC6EDDE22E2544C9A1E4EEB10AD06B37@home45dd83c8be>
Message-ID: <31.BC.00778.716AAB05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Is there a procedure or 
> process for renewing chrome wheels for the long term other 
> than rechroming that might improve the look? Steel wool, 
> polish, clear coat, etc? Appreciate it

Fred Thomas suggested a PPG product known as DX579 Metal prep.  Dilute with
about 4 parts clean water and apply with a sprayer, then scrub the rust away
with brass (or bronze) wool.  I was surprised at how well it works.

Before:
http://goo.gl/m8GM7

After 10-15 seconds of work:
http://goo.gl/vQ8VY

(Sorry, I didn't take a final photo.  Decided to use another cover instead.)

DX579 contains phosphoric acid (similar to naval jelly) which should help
reduce future rust.  However it certainly wouldn't hurt give it a good coat
of wax as well.

The DX579 was a little hard to find but I eventually found a local
automotive paint store that had it.  The fine bronze wool came from MMC.
According to Fred, the diluted DX579 won't harm paint as long as you keep it
wet until you can flush it away.  But don't let it dry on the paint.
Probably best to wear gloves and eye protection (but I didn't).

-- Randall 

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Dec  1 21:38:10 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 21:38:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] What fun
Message-ID: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com>

Had some issues with Team.Net during the last 24 hours, but the mailing
lists seem to be working again.  Let me know if you don't get this message.

mjb.

From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com  Sat Dec  1 23:12:28 2012
From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:12:28 -0800
Subject: [TR] What fun
In-Reply-To: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com>
References: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cdd054$02ec4000$08c4c000$@rr.com>

I didn't get it. Can you send it again?

> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 8:38 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] What fun
> 
> Had some issues with Team.Net during the last 24 hours, but the mailing
> lists seem to be working again.  Let me know if you don't get this
> message.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Dec  1 23:40:18 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 23:40:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] What fun
In-Reply-To: <000c01cdd054$02ec4000$08c4c000$@rr.com>
References: <50BADB32.2040203@bradakis.com>
	<000c01cdd054$02ec4000$08c4c000$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <50BAF7D2.8010808@bradakis.com>

John & Pat Donnelly wrote:
> I didn't get it. Can you send it again?
>
>

If I ever get this response I'll be more than happy to send you another 
copy.

mjb.

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Dec  2 15:06:15 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 16:06:15 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A/B Door Hinges
Message-ID: <788E7BB0F739447A971F9F477BC1A813@bboffice>

Before shell out what seems to be a lot, $40 ea, for door hinges I thought I
might give the list a shout to see if anyone has any good used ones laying
around.  I could use all four but really need the right side as they are in
poor shape having been reworked by a PO.
 
Thanks,
Bill

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Dec  3 10:52:53 2012
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (bob)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 12:52:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A/B Door Hinges
In-Reply-To: <788E7BB0F739447A971F9F477BC1A813@bboffice>
References: <788E7BB0F739447A971F9F477BC1A813@bboffice>
Message-ID: <50BCE6F5.9000603@adelphia.net>

Bill,

I might have what you need. But I am currently in South Lake Tahoe for 
vacation and wont be home until next week. I would have to check 
upstairs in the garage to be sure.

If you dont hear from any other listers by then reply to me directly and 
I will have a look next Tuesday.

Bob

On 12/2/2012 5:06 PM, Wbeech wrote:
> Before shell out what seems to be a lot, $40 ea, for door hinges I thought I
> might give the list a shout to see if anyone has any good used ones laying
> around.  I could use all four but really need the right side as they are in
> poor shape having been reworked by a PO.
>
> Thanks,
> Bill

From tedtsimx at bright.net  Mon Dec  3 11:18:30 2012
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:18:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Howmany TR4's
Message-ID: <50BCECF6.5080508@bright.net>

A couple weeks ago this was run through the list. Just added 2 more. One 
is a very ratty 4A parts only. The other is a '65TR4, pretty straight 
car, wire wheels, Michelin X tires. decent interior and a rebuilt engine 
that we should have running in the next couple days. that is for sale. 
Buy early,Buy often. Ted

-- 
Ted Schumacher
tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
108 S. Jefferson St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022

From pfullam at nycap.rr.com  Mon Dec  3 21:50:07 2012
From: pfullam at nycap.rr.com (Peter)
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 23:50:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s
Message-ID: <001801cdd1da$d5bc8530$81358f90$@rr.com>

OK, I'm in with a 63 TR4, bought new in July of that year. It turned over
190,000 miles in October and was put up for the winter today.

 

Pete Fullam

CT19207L

From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Dec  3 22:25:54 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:25:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] How many TR4s
In-Reply-To: <001801cdd1da$d5bc8530$81358f90$@rr.com>
References: <001801cdd1da$d5bc8530$81358f90$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <50BD8962.70401@bradakis.com>

I miss The Rust Rocket.

mjb.

From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Dec  4 10:25:10 2012
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill_beecher at flash.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 11:25:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] Off Topic - Ford
Message-ID: <2F8F99E378F94E05982C48C50994D686@bboffice>

Sorry to bomb the list but does anyone have any connections at Ford?  Have a
new car on order with the engine that they are recalling and wondering if I
should cancel.
 
Please, I don't want to start any "Ford, Chevy or others" exchanges, just
looking for a contact.
 
Thx,
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
 <http://www.triumphowners.com/1566> www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti

From jagmog at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  4 11:22:24 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2012 10:22:24 -0800
Subject: [TR] Off Topic - Ford
In-Reply-To: <2F8F99E378F94E05982C48C50994D686@bboffice>
References: <2F8F99E378F94E05982C48C50994D686@bboffice>
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS290ABD4BCD12579EA0C98C6470@phx.gbl>

Have a friend who is sort of a "Mechanic" on their SVT research side - he's
coming over to the shop Saturday to help me with a TR Stag that's getting a
Ford Turbo 2.3L conversion.

Contact me off line and I'd be happy to forward your question or ask in
person.

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill_beecher at flash.net
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 9:25 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Off Topic - Ford

Sorry to bomb the list but does anyone have any connections at Ford?  Have a
new car on order with the engine that they are recalling and wondering if I
should cancel.
 
Please, I don't want to start any "Ford, Chevy or others" exchanges, just
looking for a contact.
 
Thx,
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
 <http://www.triumphowners.com/1566> www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Dec  7 19:16:42 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 18:16:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] FW: 1968 GT6 for sale in Colorado Auto Parts Salvage
Message-ID: <DE.40.00785.A03A2C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Anyone near Englewood, CO interested in a GT6 project?  Sounds like a good
find, if you can get there before it gets stripped.

This thread is located at:
http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?p=859063

***************
There is a blue 1968 GT6 with a white racing stripe down the passenger side
- complete at [url]http://coloradoautoandparts.com/[/url].  It is smashed
evenly just above the front bumper back about 6", did not get into the
bonnet hinge area.  All it really needs is a new bonnett, everything else
looks straight, all glass is good..
They are asking $2650.

If it sits too long it will go to the shreader next door I am sure in a few
weeks.

I will post a photo in a bit.

Cheers!
***************

-- Randall 

From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Dec  7 21:32:58 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 21:32:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] FW: 1968 GT6 for sale in Colorado Auto Parts Salvage
In-Reply-To: <DE.40.00785.A03A2C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <DE.40.00785.A03A2C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <08C38A6D-E9C3-4914-801E-309E4361C814@comcast.net>

I've got a really nice TR4A project in Colorado that hasn't been  
smashed and close to the same price.

Actually it's more like a set (4) of refurbished (trued and power  
coated) ARE aluminum mag wheels with 6 Nokof spinners (three left,  
three right) for $5000 and you get a TR4A project car for free.

And to save everyone's time, I won't sell the Nokofs separately.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Randall wrote:

> Anyone near Englewood, CO interested in a GT6 project?  Sounds like  
> a good
> find, if you can get there before it gets stripped.
>
> This thread is located at:
> http://www.britishcarforum.com/bcf/showthread.php?p=859063
>
> ***************
> There is a blue 1968 GT6 with a white racing stripe down the  
> passenger side
> - complete at [url]http://coloradoautoandparts.com/[/url].  It is  
> smashed
> evenly just above the front bumper back about 6", did not get into the
> bonnet hinge area.  All it really needs is a new bonnett, everything  
> else
> looks straight, all glass is good..
> They are asking $2650.
>
> If it sits too long it will go to the shreader next door I am sure  
> in a few
> weeks.
>
> I will post a photo in a bit.
>
> Cheers!
> ***************
>
> -- Randall 
>
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From tr250driver at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 09:11:07 2012
From: tr250driver at gmail.com (darrell floyd)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 11:11:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] VTR Forum is back
Message-ID: <CABrPJU-Kp_s172vVnGPVsLJySK6+L1Qx11vkR+QoQr1+3DRuJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
For those of you that were using the VTR forum located at the VTR website
please be advised that it is back up and running after an extended period
of darkness.
Regards,
Darrell

From suhringtr36 at comcast.net  Sat Dec  8 11:14:14 2012
From: suhringtr36 at comcast.net (suhringtr36 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:14:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A Clutch Release Bearing
In-Reply-To: <415303711.1139846.1354989800797.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <834510173.1140116.1354990454667.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I needed to replace the release bearing on my clutch in the '59 TR3A.  The the one that went bad (bearings are toast) was a single unit (bearing and sleeve).  The replacement I purchased from Moss came in two parts: 595-000 is the release bearing and 596-010 is the sleeve.  My question is which way does the release bearnig go on the sleeve?  One face is smooth and the other side has the manugacturer's info stamped on the face and the edge is rounded.  If I put it on with the stamped and rounded edge side facing the clutch, it fits almost flush with the sleeve end but there is less friction with the sleeve. If I put it on with the smooth side facing the clutch, it is a snugger fit on the sleeve so bith RB and sleeve spin if you spin the RB, but it does not sit flush with the end of the sleeve, so it sits more forward. I hope this makes sense to someone who has done this.  My inclination is that the stamped surface is to face the clutch as it just feels better, but...  Thanks.

Scott Suhring
Mechanicsburg, PA
'70 TR6
'59 TR3

From alansalvy at gmail.com  Sat Dec  8 18:58:16 2012
From: alansalvy at gmail.com (alan salvatore)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:58:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls
Message-ID: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of
them, that secures the screws  to the door that hold the interior door pull
handles for a TR4.

Original part #  FS2758/4

I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources.

Al

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Dec  8 19:45:41 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 18:45:41 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls
In-Reply-To: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in 
> place of them, that secures the screws  to the door that hold 
> the interior door pull handles for a TR4.
> 
> Original part #  FS2758/4

I'm not at all certain, but I think there is a good chance that MMC part
number 90680A115 would work:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#cadinlnord/90680a115/=kie0ai

-- Randall 

From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net  Sat Dec  8 20:05:24 2012
From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 20:05:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls
In-Reply-To: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp>

I think that part Randall lists would work.  For any of these cage nuts you
may have to adjust the tabs.

The Standard hardware catalog describes that part as #8 UNC.  Similar cage
nuts are pretty easy to find; they are used for rack mount computers among
other things.

Here's another listing at Fastenal:
http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/detail.ex?sku=11544402

The local Fastenal store has always been willing to order small quantities of
stuff for me.

Cliff





-----Original Message-----
From: Randall
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 7:45 PM
To: 'alan salvatore' ; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls

> I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in
> place of them, that secures the screws  to the door that hold
> the interior door pull handles for a TR4.
>
> Original part #  FS2758/4

I'm not at all certain, but I think there is a good chance that MMC part
number 90680A115 would work:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#cadinlnord/90680a115/=kie0ai

-- Randall

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sat Dec  8 20:28:53 2012
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob)
Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2012 22:28:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls
In-Reply-To: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ED0293AFE6444AA9B77844E5AA83E61@BobDell>

I bought the TR4 door pull "nuts" for my TR6 and ended up using the TR6 nuts 
instead....it's all here 
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/InteriorPanelInstall3.htm

Why did BL ever stop using that classy TR4 door pull?


-----Original Message----- 
From: alan salvatore
Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 8:58 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls

I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of
them, that secures the screws  to the door that hold the interior door pull
handles for a TR4.

Original part #  FS2758/4

I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources.

Al

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From JGILLIS at tcd.ie  Sun Dec  9 04:29:51 2012
From: JGILLIS at tcd.ie (John Gillis)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 11:29:51 +0000
Subject: [TR] Side screens: devil is in the detail
Message-ID: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2BF51995@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>

I have just received my recovered sidescreens back and was looking forward to
spending some quality time fitting them. Having referred to several photos and
also comparing to some spare frames I had, I noticed that the arms that fit
into the sockets have their brass wedges fitted on the opposite side to any
other I have seen. In other words the wedge is facing the door panel rather
than into the car, as seems to be the case with all other examples I have seen
and which makes more sense. The reason the wedge can only fit on the "facing
in" side is because the recess slot in the leg for the screw that holds the
wedge in place is on the opposite side to all other examples I have seen.
Has anyone come across this before?
Regards
John
1954 TR2

From jhassall at blacksburg.net  Sun Dec  9 09:45:46 2012
From: jhassall at blacksburg.net (J.C. Hassall)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:45:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 fix nut to secure door pulls
In-Reply-To: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAAEehRM0LoJHp_L5pTrfkds8ryf2EODtZ7gKucTsXS_7VxDig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C4C03A.9020600@blacksburg.net>

On 12/8/2012 8:58 PM, alan salvatore wrote:
> I am trying to locate the fix nuts or something to be used in place of
> them, that secures the screws  to the door that hold the interior door pull
> handles for a TR4.
>
> Original part #  FS2758/4
>
> I don't see them listed by any of the usual sources.
>    
Al,

I have a pair of Moss #317-025 I'll send you if you want them.  I 
ordered them for my 63 TR4 but they were too large.  The factory cutouts 
in my doors measure 0.25 square, but the Moss parts are 3/8" square, 
which Moss says is correct.

Per Bob Danielson's suggestion I found some expansion nuts at my local 
hardware store which worked.

jim

-- 
Jim Hassall
Blacksburg VA
'63 TR4 in autox preparation
99% finished, 90% to go

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 10:13:22 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 09:13:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3A Clutch Release Bearing
In-Reply-To: <834510173.1140116.1354990454667.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <89.04.00778.FA6C4C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> The replacement I 
> purchased from Moss came in two parts: 595-000 is the release 
> bearing and 596-010 is the sleeve.  My question is which way 
> does the release bearnig go on the sleeve?  One face is 
> smooth and the other side has the manugacturer's info stamped 
> on the face and the edge is rounded.  If I put it on with the 
> stamped and rounded edge side facing the clutch, it fits 
> almost flush with the sleeve end but there is less friction 
> with the sleeve. If I put it on with the smooth side facing 
> the clutch, it is a snugger fit on the sleeve so bith RB and 
> sleeve spin if you spin the RB, but it does not sit flush 
> with the end of the sleeve, so it sits more forward.

It's been awhile since I did a TR3 clutch, but that doesn't sound right to
me.  The face against the pressure plate should be flat and wide; the
factory bearings were flat on the other side but not as wide.

But more importantly, the bearing should be a light press fit onto the
sleeve, meaning the inside bore of the bearing does not turn with the side
that faces the pressure plate.  The face of the bearing should spin freely,
but it should be impossible to turn the back side against the sleeve.

-- Randall 

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Dec  9 11:30:38 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:30:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] Archive search
Message-ID: <50C4D8CE.9040600@bradakis.com>

It should be working better.

Link below.

mjb.

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Dec  9 11:39:37 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:39:37 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Archive_search?=
Message-ID: <mailman.3.1355078417.1934.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Works for me!  What happened?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Date: Sun, Dec 9, 2012 12:30


It should be working better.

Link below.

mjb.

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Dec  9 12:32:37 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:32:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] Archive search
Message-ID: <50C4E755.7080200@bradakis.com>

spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> Works for me!  What happened?
>

A minor software incompatibility, just had to update some libraries.

mjb.

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 15:52:49 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 14:52:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb throttle shaft
In-Reply-To: <50C4E755.7080200@bradakis.com>
References: <50C4E755.7080200@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <1355093569.28661.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

getting ready to finally put the new throttle shafts in my carbs.
measuring the shafts they are 0.3102"
5/16" is 0.3125.
i know its only 2 1/2 thou but as reams are available in 0.0001 increments im wondering if i should ream under size also?
every thing gets hot and also wondering if i do ream under size will i experience seizure once things get hot?
love to hear your experiences
Frank

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec  9 18:34:42 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2012 17:34:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 carb throttle shaft
In-Reply-To: <1355093569.28661.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <06.D3.00785.E2C35C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> getting ready to finally put the new throttle shafts in my carbs.
> measuring the shafts they are 0.3102"
> 5/16" is 0.3125.
> i know its only 2 1/2 thou but as reams are available in 
> 0.0001 increments im wondering if i should ream under size also?

Don't forget, some clearance is necessary to give the shafts room to turn.
I am fairly certain that the intent was to ream to exactly 5/16" and the
required 'running' clearance is built into the shafts.  The replacement
bushings that I got were already sized to 5/16", and so my 5/16 reamer only
cut on one side where I hadn't got the alignment just right.

I've lost track of just when that was, but it was a long time ago and those
carbs are still working fine today.

In operation, the air leak is smaller than you might think anyway, because
the plate & shaft get sucked against the side that leaks.  The impact on
actual fuel mixture is fairly miniscule, especially since the mixture gets
adjusted at idle (where the air going past the shaft is larger in proportion
to the air going through the venturi than at any other time). 

-- Randall 

From davis.heglund at honeywell.com  Mon Dec 10 09:39:15 2012
From: davis.heglund at honeywell.com (Heglund, Davis (ETS-Elec))
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 16:39:15 +0000
Subject: [TR] 68 GT6 for sale
Message-ID: <59FAAE141E8C66478A1B8D025DA0E0151CF8384A@de08ex3004.global.ds.honeywell.com>

I have an early GT6 bonnet. It has some dimples, surface rust near the right
headlight (which I treated and painted some years ago) and a smallish dent in
the front. It's not pretty, but solid.  With a little work it would be
completely serviceable for the '68 in CO, or another Mk1.
It's currently on my '69 (languishing in the shop), but I plan to replace it
anyway with an appropriate GT6+ bonnet.
If anyone is interested, I could send some pics and we could talk about
remuneration.
I am just north of Minneapolis (yes, we just got 16" of white stuff), so you'd
have to figure out how to get the bonnet home.
   Dave Heglund  davisnlinda at yahoo.com

From davewillner at pa.net  Mon Dec 10 18:55:33 2012
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 20:55:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions
Message-ID: <0B6812D9FAE04F95AA59F3BAE1F442C4@home45dd83c8be>

I was fortunate enough to find a really nice old Lucas ScreenJet assembly in
excellent condition for a very reasonable price. Its the model 2SJ, 12 volt
and has 3 terminals, A,B,C, and a + and - side marked as well. Also picked up
an old NOS Lucas switch, SP2 100, to go with it.

I'd like to find any accessory information or installation instruction pdf or
hook up sheet to go with it. Does anyone have a pdf or an old instruction
sheet they'd be willing to share or copy for me?  Appreciate it, thanks

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Dec 10 20:03:56 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 21:03:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions
In-Reply-To: <0B6812D9FAE04F95AA59F3BAE1F442C4@home45dd83c8be>
References: <0B6812D9FAE04F95AA59F3BAE1F442C4@home45dd83c8be>
Message-ID: <B4172B33BF084CE0AEF0A7F173CBF821@Datsun>

perhaps this link will help: 
http://www.retroclassiccarparts.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=148&product_id=1338&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=155&vmcchk=1&Itemid=155


-----Original Message----- 
From: davewillner
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:55 PM
To: 'Triumph List'
Subject: [TR] Lucas ScreenJet instructions

I was fortunate enough to find a really nice old Lucas ScreenJet assembly in
excellent condition for a very reasonable price. Its the model 2SJ, 12 volt
and has 3 terminals, A,B,C, and a + and - side marked as well. Also picked 
up
an old NOS Lucas switch, SP2 100, to go with it.

I'd like to find any accessory information or installation instruction pdf 
or
hook up sheet to go with it. Does anyone have a pdf or an old instruction
sheet they'd be willing to share or copy for me?  Appreciate it, thanks

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A 

From davewillner at pa.net  Tue Dec 11 08:04:42 2012
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 10:04:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Lucas Screenjet instructions
Message-ID: <6D32B7A732AB49C58BD76FB508464857@home45dd83c8be>

Found these two links if anyone needs or is interested in ScreenJet info.

http://www.flickr.co...N08/6908954707/
http://www.flickr.co...N08/6908953045

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From dbh at hamengr.com  Tue Dec 11 13:54:12 2012
From: dbh at hamengr.com (David B. Hammond)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 12:54:12 -0800
Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension
In-Reply-To: <16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp>
References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp>
Message-ID: <003301cdd7e1$ad274da0$0775e8e0$@com>

I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to
install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about
that?
David
TR3B

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 11 14:02:22 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 15:02:22 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?T3/4=2C_fan=2Cextension?=
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1355259792.1934.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Well, if you always show up with a harmonica, you'll be the life of the party even BEFORE you start chugging tequila and singing off key!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension
Date: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 14:54


I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to
install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about
that?
David
TR3B

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From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 11 15:37:53 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 14:37:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Guy- Please reply!
Message-ID: <1355265473.57219.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
I'm sorry to botherthe list, but would "G.D. Huggins" <guy at genfiniti.com>,PLEASE E-mail me. I sent an E-mail to you on 12-7-12 & I haven't received a reply. May times my E-mails don't go through, because the server thinks my E-mails are spam.

-Cosmo Kramer

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Dec 11 17:00:16 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2012 17:00:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension
In-Reply-To: <003301cdd7e1$ad274da0$0775e8e0$@com>
References: <58.BA.00778.25BF3C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<16A5E63F7A41457D984675DCA7DB3241@Shemp>
	<003301cdd7e1$ad274da0$0775e8e0$@com>
Message-ID: <50C7C910.9080907@gmail.com>

On 12/11/12 1:54 PM, David B. Hammond wrote:
> I have removed the mechanical fan and extension. I have heard of the need to
> install a harmonic balancer, but I don't know why? Any discussion about
> that?
> David
> TR3B
>
If you keep the engine revs below the 5000 RPM redline there is no 
reason th install a harmonic dampener.  However there is a harmonic in 
the crank at around 5200 RPM that is breached too often tends to crack 
the crank at the base of the flywheel mounting flange.  The harmonic 
dampener is meant to tame that harmonic.

If you use your 3 as a street driver and touring vehicle the mechanical 
fan is a good thing to have.  If you do some auto crossing a harmonic 
dampener is insurance for those times you are looking at that upcoming 
cone and not the tach.  If you intend to autocross on a regular basis, 
do hill climbs & the like you want to get the crank nitrided as well.  
The next big harmonic is above 6000 RPM and tends to break the crank in 
the middle.

I guess I should have asked why you removed the mechanical fan & 
extension in the first place.

TeriAnn

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 06:14:47 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 08:14:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Anyone near columbus who can pick up and ship a panel for me?
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOAH1G_EZxChESc3YtemVnAiArWe_YY+5LSNOC0i5WDmg@mail.gmail.com>

It is near Galena/Westerville.

Its 48"x18"x2" - its alot to ask, but would appreciate the help.

Thanks!

Chris

54 tr2
63 tr4
73 tr6 (in pieces)

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 12 11:34:34 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:34:34 -0800
Subject: [TR] T3/4, fan,extension
In-Reply-To: <50C7C910.9080907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17.FC.00785.13EC8C05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> If you keep the engine revs below the 5000 RPM redline there 
> is no reason th install a harmonic dampener.

Just to second what TeriAnn said, I have run for many years and likely over
200,000 miles (although not all on the same engine) with no mechanical fan
and no extension, and never broken a crank.  

But these were nearly stock street motors, and rarely saw 5000 rpm even
during the occasional autocross.  I do believe the problem is real though,
so when I build a motor that will still pull strong out past 5000, it will
have a dampener.  Since it will still be mostly a street motor, I view the
dampener more as cheap insurance than an absolute requirement.

One thing I will warn about, though, make sure that whatever you use instead
of the extension pulls up only against the pulley hub and not against the
end of the crankshaft.  My first conversion worked fine with just a big flat
washer, but on the second one, the washer hit the end of the crank and only
applied a little force to the hub.  Over time, the hub worked back and forth
against the key, wearing the hub and crank and eventually tearing up the
key.

-- Randall 

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Dec 12 12:50:10 2012
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:50:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR3/4 FAN EXTENSIONS
Message-ID: <8CFA6B907175231-C68-20DFC@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>

 Dave Hammond

We run a modified MGB harmonic balancer on one TR and a Gillanders conversion
on the other. Seems like the right thing to do for vintage racing.

Intuitively, and perhaps beyond, it seems like removing about ten pounds from
the flywheel is the kindest thing you can do for the crank.  There is a
factory history behind that much weight.  Kas Kastner tried to get the factory
to change the weight, but was unsuccessful. Kas thinks it had to do with the
driving habits of the American market, but much of this stuff is lost to
memory and is hearsay.

10# off the flywheel is supposedly worth about 200# of weight off of the car.
The biggest performance bang for the buck with no downsides, methinks.





Joe Alexander
645 1st Street
Jesup, Iowa 50648
319.464.4711  (cell)
n197tr4 at cs.com

From jagmog at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 12 18:46:47 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:46:47 -0800
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS397B460856533B9BB4293C64E0@phx.gbl>

I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant.

The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner Autobox.
It also had A/C.   These components are long gone.

Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner T5
"world class" manual, which I can weigh here.

I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we
can sort out the new coil springs for the front end.  The new setup is
clearly lighter based on the stance of the car.

If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it.  

Thanks,

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Wed Dec 12 19:09:38 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:09:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
In-Reply-To: <BAY173-DS397B460856533B9BB4293C64E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY173-DS397B460856533B9BB4293C64E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F1D7F8960DAB4759A41D0F7FFE21FC72@livingroompc>

Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny 
or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag

http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-20051020043225985.htm

Regards, Greg Lemon

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jonas Payne" <jagmog at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans

> I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant.
>
> The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner 
> Autobox.
> It also had A/C.   These components are long gone.
>
> Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner 
> T5
> "world class" manual, which I can weigh here.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we
> can sort out the new coil springs for the front end.  The new setup is
> clearly lighter based on the stance of the car.
>
> If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting
> 702-882-6711
>
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From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 19:43:26 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:43:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?
Message-ID: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a question
I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny.  It had a collar that
went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece of
steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the
center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar. 
The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but
this still allows the ball to rotate.

My question is:  Am I right that the
collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in
order to move?  Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps
tranny/driveline vibrations down?

just curious

gary n.

From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 12 20:52:01 2012
From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:52:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?
In-Reply-To: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6598E48CB58045C7AA6A4803635CB3B5@Shemp>

Gary,

There was a similar doohickey strapped the the tail of my TR4A transmission, 
except that itbs a big hunk of hard rubber instead of a steel ball.  Its my 
understanding this is a vibration dampener and that the collar should be 
tight around the tail of the transmission.I've never seen it in any parts 
diagram.

Best,

Cliff



-----Original Message----- 
From: Gary Nafziger
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:43 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?

Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of a 
question
I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny.  It had a collar that
went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a round piece 
of
steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the
center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the collar.
The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but
this still allows the ball to rotate.

My question is:  Am I right that the
collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in
order to move?  Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps
tranny/driveline vibrations down?

just curious

gary n.

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From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Dec 12 22:06:13 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:06:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Weight_of_Stag_Engine/Trans?=
Message-ID: <mailman.10.1355375229.1934.triumphs@autox.team.net>

No tranny included, but was surprised it was only 14# less than the 289/302 Ford, both ready to run, fully dressed.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Greg Lemon" <glemon at neb.rr.com>
To: "Jonas Payne" <jagmog at hotmail.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 20:09


Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag

http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-20051020043225985.htm

Regards, Greg Lemon

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jonas Payne" <jagmog at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans

> I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant.
>
> The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner > Autobox.
> It also had A/C.   These components are long gone.
>
> Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner > T5
> "world class" manual, which I can weigh here.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we
> can sort out the new coil springs for the front end.  The new setup is
> clearly lighter based on the stance of the car.
>
> If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting
> 702-882-6711
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From jagmog at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 12 22:07:42 2012
From: jagmog at hotmail.com (Jonas Payne)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:07:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
In-Reply-To: <COL0-MC1-F38BhfgM4f00216159@COL0-MC1-F38.Col0.hotmail.com>
References: <COL0-MC1-F38BhfgM4f00216159@COL0-MC1-F38.Col0.hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS13984580AEDF7F2009867BC64E0@phx.gbl>

Yeah, but the 289/302 is a lot more motorb&b&b&b&b&b&b&b&b&b&



Jonas Payne

PBR Consulting

702-882-6711



From: spook01 at comcast.net [mailto:spook01 at comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 9:06 PM
To: Greg Lemon; Jonas Payne; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans



No tranny included, but was surprised it was only 14# less than the 289/302
Ford, both ready to run, fully dressed.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Greg Lemon" <glemon at neb.rr.com>
To: "Jonas Payne" <jagmog at hotmail.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
Date: Wed, Dec 12, 2012 20:09


Jonas, look here I didn't read far enough to see if it is weight with tranny
or not, but some data on all sorts of motors, including Stag

http://www.british-cars.net/mgb-gt-v8-technical-bbs/engine-weights-2005102004
3225985.htm

Regards, Greg Lemon

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jonas Payne" <jagmog at hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:46 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans

> I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant.
>
> The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner >
Autobox.
> It also had A/C.   These components are long gone.
>
> Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner >
T5
> "world class" manual, which I can weigh here.
>
> I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we
> can sort out the new coil springs for the front end.  The new setup is
> clearly lighter based on the stance of the car.
>
> If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonas Payne
> PBR Consulting
> 702-882-6711
>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Dec 13 01:05:17 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:05:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?
In-Reply-To: <6598E48CB58045C7AA6A4803635CB3B5@Shemp>
References: <1355366606.95507.YahooMailNeo@web120601.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<6598E48CB58045C7AA6A4803635CB3B5@Shemp>
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I found one of those things strapped to a TR4A OD transmission and had
no clue what it does. First one I'd ever seen. Vibration dampener
makes sense considering it's placement and configuration.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Dec 12, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Cliff Hansen wrote:

> Gary,
>
> There was a similar doohickey strapped the the tail of my TR4A
> transmission, except that itbs a big hunk of hard rubber instead of
> a steel ball.  Its my understanding this is a vibration dampener and
> that the collar should be tight around the tail of the
> transmission.I've never seen it in any parts diagram.
>
> Best,
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 7:43 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?
>
> Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic balancer reminded me of
> a question
> I wanted to ask the group concerning my tr-3 tranny.  It had a
> collar that
> went around the tail end of the tranny and to it was attached a
> round piece of
> steel (like a small ball approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole
> in the
> center which had a bolt going through the ball and attached to the
> collar.
> The collar is attached tight to the tail of the transmission (I
> assume) but
> this still allows the ball to rotate.
>
> My question is:  Am I right that the
> collar is attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat
> loose in
> order to move?  Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that keeps
> tranny/driveline vibrations down?
>
> just curious
>
> gary n.
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From lang at isis.mit.edu  Thu Dec 13 15:46:11 2012
From: lang at isis.mit.edu (Robert M. Lang)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:46:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Another Sunday ride in Khartu
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.1212131744180.1340@isis.mit.edu>

Hi,

I'm posting this just to keep the juices going on the off-season.

http://youtu.be/IECKMspI180

It's an in-car autocross video from a New England Region autocross at 
Devens, MA.

Enjoy!
rml
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Former NER Solo Chair                          |
Voice:617-253-7438                             |  Cell: 339-927-4489
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From 308gtsi at roadrunner.com  Thu Dec 13 17:38:39 2012
From: 308gtsi at roadrunner.com (Brian Induni)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:38:39 -0800
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
Message-ID: <003b01cdd993$5cbad360$16307a20$@roadrunner.com>

Jonas,
I have 2 Stag engines and one 4sp non-OD gearbox sitting in my garage at the
moment. Online estimates of 450 pounds for the engine is likely spot on. I
didn't weigh it, but I had the full engine with all the accessories still
bolted on AND the 4sp gearbox attached sitting on a wooden box on casters,
each caster good for 150 pounds and no groaning came from it. The gearbox is
heftable by yours truly, and I'd estimate it to be around 75 to 80 pounds. I
shipped a TR4 OD gearbox last summer and it weighed in at 90 pounds. Hope
this helps.

Brian
------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:46:47 -0800
From: Jonas Payne <jagmog at hotmail.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Weight of Stag Engine/Trans
Message-ID: <BAY173-DS397B460856533B9BB4293C64E0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have a '71 Stag in the shop undergoing an engine transplant.

The car was originally equipped with the 3L V8 and the Borg Warner Autobox.
It also had A/C.   These components are long gone.

Its getting a 2.3L Turbo from a 1987 Ford Thunderbird with a Borg Warner T5
"world class" manual, which I can weigh here.

I am trying to figure out what the original motor and trans weighed so we
can sort out the new coil springs for the front end.  The new setup is
clearly lighter based on the stance of the car.

If anybody has these weights, I'd appreciate it.  

Thanks,

Jonas Payne
PBR Consulting
702-882-6711

From hdrider570 at att.net  Thu Dec 13 18:35:50 2012
From: hdrider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:35:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] tranny harmonic balancer?
Message-ID: <1355448950.28730.YahooMailClassic@web184305.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

It to stop the shifter from buzzing at speed.  If you look closely there is a steel sleeve in a rubber sleeve inside the ball that the bolt goes through.

Edward Hamer
petaluma CA

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 13 20:31:42 2012
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 19:31:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
Message-ID: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure out
why.  They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer
was ever attached to my car.  I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
before.  


Anyone ideas or experiences?

gary n.

From dixie4.wales at virgin.net  Thu Dec 13 23:25:24 2012
From: dixie4.wales at virgin.net (Dixie4)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:25:24 -0000
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B89C4C5811654BD98058A164E31EC704@AdrianPC>

In UK screen washers were not fitted as standard on most cars until the late 
Sixties and if I remember correctly not law to have them fitted until the 
Seventies. Having said that many aftermarket kits were fitted by dealers and 
owners alike using the simple mechanical push pump action type. Electrically 
operated ones were only to be found on top end cars.
It would appear from your description that your TR3 has had some form of 
aftermarket kit fitted at sometime. They certainly would not come as 
standard when the car was new. I would highly recommend replacing them even 
if you are in a 'Dry' State. At least you would fill the 3/8" holes with 
something useful.

Adrian TR4A CT64306 O
Wales, UK.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Nafziger" <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:31 AM
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?


>I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
> windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure 
> out
> why.  They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no 
> washer
> was ever attached to my car.  I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
> before.
>
>
> Anyone ideas or experiences?
>
> gary n.
>
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From Catpusher at aol.com  Fri Dec 14 00:17:21 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 02:17:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Subject:  tranny harmonic balancer?
Message-ID: <28977.42a301da.3dfc2c80@aol.com>

This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts  
catalogue, second edition:
"WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD
It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during 
 service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight.
 
TR Regards,
 
Hardy
 
 
From: Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
To:  "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR]  tranny harmonic balancer?

Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic  balancer reminded me of a 
question
I wanted to ask the group concerning my  tr-3 tranny.  It had a collar that
went around the tail end of the  tranny and to it was attached a round 
piece of
steel (like a small ball  approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the
center which had a bolt  going through the ball and attached to the collar. 
The collar is attached  tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but
this still allows the  ball to rotate.

My question is:  Am I right that the
collar is  attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in
order to  move?  Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that  keeps
tranny/driveline vibrations down?

just curious

gary  n.

From gpr at key-men.com  Fri Dec 14 03:01:44 2012
From: gpr at key-men.com (George Richardson)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:01:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50CAF908.40507@key-men.com>

I think the washer nozzles were fitted to all cars. The washer itself 
was optional.

The  nozzles are present on my 1957 TR3, TS15559L, but no evidence of 
the washer itself.

George Richardson
Key Men - Keys for Classics
www.key-men.com

On 12/13/2012 10:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
> windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure out
> why.  They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer
> was ever attached to my car.  I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
> before.
>
>
> Anyone ideas or experiences?
>
> gary n.
>
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From tr3a.60 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 04:33:35 2012
From: tr3a.60 at gmail.com (John Wise)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 06:33:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <50CAF908.40507@key-men.com>
References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<50CAF908.40507@key-men.com>
Message-ID: <1BB01D1D-5FC4-46A2-87C6-779E9FCD6680@gmail.com>

My 1960 TR3A also has the spay nozzles but no tank/pump.John


> On 12/13/2012 10:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
>> I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
>> windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure
out
>> why.  They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no
washer
>> was ever attached to my car.  I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
>> before.
>>
>> Anyone ideas or experiences?
>>
>> gary n.

John Wise
Ormond Beach, FL

1960 TR3A
http://wisegroupllc.org/_/TR3A.html

1977 Porsche 911S ('86 3.2 engine)
http://wisegroupllc.org/_/Porsche.html

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Dec 14 05:18:25 2012
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:18:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <50CB1911.9070600@gmail.com>

On 12/13/12 8:31 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:
> I have two small holes (maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
> windshield; each one not far from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure out
> why.  They look like they would be used for a washer attachment but no washer
> was ever attached to my car.  I can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
> before.
>
>
The spay nozzles were fitted to all TR3's shipped into North America (I 
don't know about other markets). The bottle, holder, manual pump and 
tubing were an extra cost dealer installation up until the TR3B.  They 
are standard fitment on the TR3B.

Your best bet to fill those holes is to find someone who is parting out 
a TR3. Since every TR came with the spay nozzles no one sells them that 
I am aware of.

TeriAnn

From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 14 05:50:02 2012
From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 05:50:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] Subject:  tranny harmonic balancer?
In-Reply-To: <28977.42a301da.3dfc2c80@aol.com>
References: <28977.42a301da.3dfc2c80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F6B163DEFA1E4840BEC615B7DF301E67@Shemp>

Whaddayaknow, there it is.  I've never noticed that listing before.  Thanks, 
Hardy.

Cliff


-----Original Message----- 
From: Catpusher at aol.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 12:17 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Subject: tranny harmonic balancer?

This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts
catalogue, second edition:
"WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD
It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during
service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight.

TR Regards,

Hardy


From: Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
To:  "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR]  tranny harmonic balancer?

Reading the posts concerning crank harmonic  balancer reminded me of a
question
I wanted to ask the group concerning my  tr-3 tranny.  It had a collar that
went around the tail end of the  tranny and to it was attached a round
piece of
steel (like a small ball  approx. 3 inches in diameter) with a hole in the
center which had a bolt  going through the ball and attached to the collar.
The collar is attached  tight to the tail of the transmission (I assume) but
this still allows the  ball to rotate.

My question is:  Am I right that the
collar is  attached tight to the tranny, or should it be somewhat loose in
order to  move?  Does this part act as a "balancer" of sort that  keeps
tranny/driveline vibrations down?

just curious

gary  n.

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Dec 14 08:07:59 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:07:59 -0800
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <50CB1911.9070600@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9F.79.05345.EC04BC05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> The spay nozzles were fitted to all TR3's shipped into North 
> America (I don't know about other markets).

No idea why, but TS13571L lacks the holes and any indication they used to be
there.  TS39781LO appeared to have been originally fitted with the washers,
although the bottle and most of the tubing was missing by the time it came
to me.

> Since every TR came with the spay nozzles 
> no one sells them that I am aware of.

Moss has them listed, P/N 802-805.  But I might try to locate some originals
anyway, since they seem to have been very well chromed and I've had trouble
with chrome on replacement parts.

-- Randall 

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 14 08:59:13 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 07:59:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
In-Reply-To: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1355455902.40139.YahooMailNeo@web120603.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1355500753.89318.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i have 2 chrome windshield washer jets in front of my cowl.
no windshield
washer listed on my heritage certificate. cant find one was ever fitted.
TS41366L
 
Frank

From: Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com>
To:
"triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Thursday, December
13, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?

I have two small holes
(maybe 3/8th inch) in my cowl in front of the
windshield; each one not far
from the wiper attachment.  I can't figure out
why.  They look like they would
be used for a washer attachment but no washer
was ever attached to my car.  I
can't remember seeing washers on a tr-3
before.  


Anyone ideas or
experiences?

gary n.

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From jr468 at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 14 10:22:57 2012
From: jr468 at hotmail.com (JOHN REED)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:22:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] tr-3 w/s washers?
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP7298A3D2C99EF6F8A03BAED4D0@phx.gbl>

I don't think replacements were available when I restored my TR3 in the
earlier 90s.  ISTR the tops of the washer jets looked like squatty acorn nuts
so I found similar shaped stainless steel acorn nuts (or chrome planted?) and
suitable rubber washers.  They're held in place with short bolts from below.
They've held up well and look good to me now and to the concours judges back
then.

From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Fri Dec 14 14:31:50 2012
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:31:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958!
Message-ID: <005001cdda42$6db975e0$492c61a0$@net>

Fun movie of racing at Road America in 1958. Caution: it is almost a half hour
long. There are some TR3bs.





Road America, 1958:

 <http://vimeo.com/m/49357431> http://vimeo.com/m/49357431

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Dec 14 20:50:13 2012
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 21:50:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] BlackStone Oil Report - 2 years later test two
Message-ID: <25905768.128398.1355543413658.JavaMail.root@vznit170176>

To follow up on my report to the list two years ago on my 72 Triumph TR6 running Castrol 20W/50 with ZDDP added and running K&N air filters.


Since then, I have converted to using Brad Penn 20W/50, and I also stopped using the K&N filters in favor of paper filters based on the list discussion, as well as the BlackStone report indicating that my silicon level in the first report was 121.


I wanted to post the results of the tests to the list but I have tried everything to get it into plain text and basically I would have to type the whole da&$ thing in by hand. If anyone wants it via email, just drop me a request to "TheNicholls at Verizon.Net".


The conclusion I got from the results is that the paper air filters reduced silicone from 121 to 64. Despite the longer run on this oil test (1070 the first and 1203 this time), the copper and lead levels they indicate shows bearing wear went from 61 to 49 for copper, and 57 to 11 for lead. I am chalking this up to the change to Brad Penn. My fuel dilution went from 2.5% to 1.5% which put it back in an acceptable range.


Their summary was "Nice recovery! We haven't seen a sample in over two years, but you've made nice strides in fixing the issues 
we saw the last time. Despite a longer oil run this time, copper, lead, and silicon have all dropped into a better range. 
Note that sodium made a big jump, but that is harmless additive from the oil type you're using (we compared it to our 
virgin sample of Brad Penn, which also had that level of sodium). The fuel dilution, while still present, has improved as 
well. Air and oil filtration both look fine and the viscosity is back in the proper range. Good report."



To everyone on the list, have a great holiday season and a Happy New Year.


Craig
1972 Triumph TR6
Vienna, VA

From pethier at comcast.net  Fri Dec 14 21:17:49 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:17:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958!
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Made by Tom Countryman.  I used to know Tom.  Not as early as 1958, but a decade later.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:31:50 PM
> Subject: [TR] FW: Vintage Road America - 1958!
> Fun movie of racing at Road America in 1958. Caution: it is almost a
> half hour
> long. There are some TR3bs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Road America, 1958:
> 
> <http://vimeo.com/m/49357431> http://vimeo.com/m/49357431
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Sat Dec 15 00:50:41 2012
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:50:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR transmission tail weight
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Hi Hardy!
Any idea of difference between the two transmission damper weights, or why
they have different part numbers? I was planning on NOT transferring the
weight off my standard TR4 tranny to the rebuilt TR4A OD tranny - the OD
section seems to be 25lb over the standard transmission tailpiece... and
adding more weight to that, seems overkill doesn't it?

Regards,
Carl
'63 TR4 since '74


This item was fitted to the TR4A and is on page 27 of the TR4A parts
catalogue, second edition:
"WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" PN 144314 std, 132951 OD
It should be tight on the tail shaft, but most of these were removed during
 service to make gearbox removal easier and to remove the "extra" weight.

TR Regards,

Hardy

From hdrider570 at att.net  Sat Dec 15 12:37:43 2012
From: hdrider570 at att.net (hdrider570 at att.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:37:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR transmission tail weight
Message-ID: <50CCD187.5000202@att.net>

All I can tell you is that years ago I pulled a tranny from an 
unmolested 1963 TR4 with OD and it had the weight.  Judging by the 
reports of the finances at Standard Triumph from that time I don't think 
that they put it there for no reason what so ever.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 15 13:37:05 2012
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:37:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Tail Weight
Message-ID: <2714098.157692.1355603825500.JavaMail.root@vznit170158>

At the time that the weight was added to the tail shaft of the transmissions, the normal speed limit was 55 in the US. At a constant 55 the shifter of the TR4 would "buzz". This resulted in a lot of complaints. The solution was to hang a weight from the Transmission. This changed the RPM of the harmonics from 55 to another spot. It was still there but not in a spot where one drove at a constant speed. There was a engineering bullention issued on it. Was retrofitted at the dealer if the customer complained.
 
Dean Tetterton

From pethier at comcast.net  Sat Dec 15 15:14:28 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:14:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Britcars on Motorweek
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Today (December 15, 2012) I was watching Motorweek and they had a segment on
the Back To the 50s Weekend at the Minnesota State Fairgrounds.

John Meyers was there with his pale blue TR4 and had a speaking part.  His
Triumph is shown here at the BTTFW in 2006:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/182030510/in/set-72157594178868028

Mark Brandow of Quality Coaches was shown driving in his black MGYA saloon.
Same car is seen here at Ellingsonbs in 2006:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213603234/in/set-72157594234621685
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/213604887/in/set-72157594234621685

It will probably be a couple of weeks before the 12/15/2012 episode is
available on the website at:
http://www.motorweek.org


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 16:00:17 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:00:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR transmission tail weight
In-Reply-To: <50CCD187.5000202@att.net>
References: <50CCD187.5000202@att.net>
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my 63 had one as well

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sat Dec 15 16:15:44 2012
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:15:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tail Weight
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References: <2714098.157692.1355603825500.JavaMail.root@vznit170158>
Message-ID: <002601cddb1a$1c274260$5475c720$@charter.net>

Interesting. That was definitely a late, after-the-fact change since the
national speed limit of 55 was enacted either in the Fall of 1973 or
slightly later if I remember correctly. Connecticut had a state limit of 50
MPH for a while as I travelled to college in the Fall of '73 and the new,
national limit was a month or two later I think.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Tetterton
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 3:37 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Tail Weight

At the time that the weight was added to the tail shaft of the
transmissions, the normal speed limit was 55 in the US. At a constant 55 the
shifter of the TR4 would "buzz". This resulted in a lot of complaints. The
solution was to hang a weight from the Transmission. This changed the RPM of
the harmonics from 55 to another spot. It was still there but not in a spot
where one drove at a constant speed. There was a engineering bullention
issued on it. Was retrofitted at the dealer if the customer complained.

 
Dean Tetterton

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Dec 15 16:48:45 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:48:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3
Message-ID: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>

I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I
have a single white wire.  It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor
light.  Any suggestions?  Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat?
I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run
out of wires from  the loom and that is the only switch left remaining.

Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone
"modifications" in the past.  It's great fun guessing what  wire should be
used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with
teh wrong colors !!

Andrew Uprichard

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Dec 15 18:26:54 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:26:54 -0800
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3
In-Reply-To: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <7D.14.05345.B532DC05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash 
> cluster wires, I have a single white wire.  It is not the 
> wire for the ignition switch nor light.  Any suggestions?  

Should be only 4 white wires in the entire car:
1) Ign switch to red light
2) Ign switch to starter switch
3) Ign switch to fuse block
4) Fuse block to ignition coil

> It's great fun 
> guessing what  wire should be used for each indication when 
> several have been spliced and replaced with teh wrong colors !!

Why guess?  Just buzz it out and you'll know it's right.  My original
harness has faded until the colors aren't visible at all, but it only takes
a few seconds to identify each wire by where it goes.

-- Randall 

From pfullam at nycap.rr.com  Sat Dec 15 20:57:44 2012
From: pfullam at nycap.rr.com (Peter)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:57:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tail weight
Message-ID: <000601cddb41$812c1740$838445c0$@rr.com>

All, 

 

The story as I got it was that the shifter buzz/vibration problem was unique
to non-overdrive TR4s, and the dampeners were standard on those cars. The
weight of the OD cured the problem, and when I put in the OD gearbox, I
didn't transfer the dampener to it. I could be wrong, but I don't believe
this applied to TR3s, unless the 3Bs with the all-synchro boxes had the
problem.

 

The vibration was a major problem if you raced a non OD TR4 without the
dampener. I hung out with a TR4 group at one of the Glen Vintage weekends.
After every practice outing he came in with the top gearbox cover bolts so
loose it was throwing oil. He had a non OD box, but it took  a while before
we noticed that the dampener was missing. He had had an OD box in it for
years, and apparently forgot about the dampener when they put in the plain
one.

 

Cheers,

 

Pete Fullam

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sat Dec 15 21:33:59 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 23:33:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3
In-Reply-To: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>
References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <002d01cddb46$91f26cf0$b5d746d0$@verizon.net>

According to my diagram there is a white wire that goes from the ignition
switch to the amp gauge and another one that goes to the heater switch so it
sounds like you are on the right track.
Carl


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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:49 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3

I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I
have a single white wire.  It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor
light.  Any suggestions?  Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat?
I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run
out of wires from  the loom and that is the only switch left remaining.

Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone
"modifications" in the past.  It's great fun guessing what  wire should be
used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with
teh wrong colors !!

Andrew Uprichard

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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sat Dec 15 22:09:43 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 22:09:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] Tail weight
In-Reply-To: <000601cddb41$812c1740$838445c0$@rr.com>
References: <000601cddb41$812c1740$838445c0$@rr.com>
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 >>   the shifter buzz/vibration problem was unique to non-overdrive  
TR4s,

Apparently not. My damper came off a TR4A with an OD transmission.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


On Dec 15, 2012, at 8:57 PM, Peter wrote:

> All,
>
>
>
> The story as I got it was that the shifter buzz/vibration problem  
> was unique
> to non-overdrive TR4s, and the dampeners were standard on those  
> cars. The
> weight of the OD cured the problem, and when I put in the OD  
> gearbox, I
> didn't transfer the dampener to it. I could be wrong, but I don't  
> believe
> this applied to TR3s, unless the 3Bs with the all-synchro boxes had  
> the
> problem.
>
>
>
> The vibration was a major problem if you raced a non OD TR4 without  
> the
> dampener. I hung out with a TR4 group at one of the Glen Vintage  
> weekends.
> After every practice outing he came in with the top gearbox cover  
> bolts so
> loose it was throwing oil. He had a non OD box, but it took  a while  
> before
> we noticed that the dampener was missing. He had had an OD box in it  
> for
> years, and apparently forgot about the dampener when they put in the  
> plain
> one.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Pete Fullam
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sat Dec 15 22:17:56 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:17:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3
References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <000301cddb4c$b5a85dc0$20f91940$@verizon.net>

Sorry - It actually goes to the overdrive switch.  The heater switch has
green on one side (to fuse box) and black on the other (to the heater). 
I looked at the diagram in the garage and by the time I came in the house I
crossed the wires in my mind.  

Again my apologies
C



-----Original Message-----
From: Carl-TR [mailto:cfmtr3a at verizon.net] 
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:34 PM
To: 'Andrew Uprichard'; 'Triumphs'
Subject: RE: [TR] rewiring a TR3

According to my diagram there is a white wire that goes from the ignition
switch to the amp gauge and another one that goes to the heater switch so it
sounds like you are on the right track.
Carl


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 6:49 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3

I should probably know this, but as part of the center dash cluster wires, I
have a single white wire.  It is not the wire for the ignition switch nor
light.  Any suggestions?  Could it be a live feed for the heater rheostat?
I would have thought that should be a green (post-fuse) wire, but I have run
out of wires from  the loom and that is the only switch left remaining.

Bear in mind that I am reusing an old harness which had undergone
"modifications" in the past.  It's great fun guessing what  wire should be
used for each indication when several have been spliced and replaced with
teh wrong colors !!

Andrew Uprichard

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 05:48:09 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 07:48:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] rewiring a TR3
In-Reply-To: <000301cddb4c$b5a85dc0$20f91940$@verizon.net>
References: <001901cddb1e$b9dbe430$2d93ac90$@uprichard.net>
	<000301cddb4c$b5a85dc0$20f91940$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CANhzkePMmZ0Zv3zmL1NffOwMmppbcz8ktN9dNf5JWF+YcFU-7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Don't worry Carl, you're not the only one one this list with crossed wires
in their mind....

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 16 11:21:32 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:21:32 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tail weight
In-Reply-To: <DC797015-75C4-473D-B92B-484AC5AFEA8B@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D7.53.04255.8211EC05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Apparently not. My damper came off a TR4A with an OD transmission.

And mine from an earlier TR4 with OD.  The OD was the main reason I bought
the car, the rest of it eventually went to the crusher.

FWIW, my TR4 SPC (both 1st & 2nd edition) lists 132604 "weight and bush
assembly, vibration damper" as fitted from gearbox CT17815 up to CT35719
only.  

And while it is always dangerous to disagree with Hardy, both the TR4 and
TR4A SPC list 132951 as a "strap, anti-vibration" with the 4A SPC (1st
edition) noting "Gearbox extension to top cover".  

-- Randall 

From Catpusher at aol.com  Tue Dec 18 01:36:25 2012
From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 03:36:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Subject: Re:  Tail weight
Message-ID: <a8e0.27f4abfe.3e018509@aol.com>

Not dangerous at all; one of my TR4A parts books has an error, thank  you 
Randall!
The parts book that was used by the Brisbane, CA parts counter lists  the 
"Overdrive condition" " WEIGHT AND BUSH ASSEMBLY, VIBRATION DAMPER" as  Part 
No.
132604, and Part No .144314, as I posted, for :Normal condition.   (sorry 
about the caps, but that is how it is in the the book). I have  seen these on 
TR4As.  The "Strap, anti-vibration" is related to the same  problem, but a 
separate item.  I never used these items on my race car  because of the 
weight and service problems involved.
 
btw: The later gear levers had a rubber bush connecting the top part to the 
 bottom, and this bush would occasionally fail under racing conditions, but 
 otherwise reduced the vibrations.
 
TR Regards,
Hardy
 
 
In a message dated 12/16/2012 11:00:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
triumphs-request at autox.team.net writes:

From:  "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc:  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Tail  weight
Message-ID:  <D7.53.04255.8211EC05 at cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

> Apparently not. My damper came off  a TR4A with an OD transmission.

And mine from an earlier TR4 with  OD.  The OD was the main reason I bought
the car, the rest of it  eventually went to the crusher.

FWIW, my TR4 SPC (both 1st & 2nd  edition) lists 132604 "weight and bush
assembly, vibration damper" as  fitted from gearbox CT17815 up to CT35719
only.  

And while it  is always dangerous to disagree with Hardy, both the TR4 and
TR4A SPC list  132951 as a "strap, anti-vibration" with the 4A SPC (1st
edition) noting  "Gearbox extension to top cover".  

-- Randall  

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 05:40:14 2012
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 07:40:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spare Panasport wheel anyone?
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOhLZWNFhPJcx_p_Db5a1duNFfsHo+thvsw1W-8vqQRRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I am checking to see if any of you has a Panasport 15 x 5.5 FS series wheel
you would like to sell.  Panasport has changed to the FZ model and no
longer makes the FS series.  They are almost identical but not quite, and I
only need one FS to go with the three good wheels my buddy already has.

It will be for his TR3 that was hit very hard on the front left corner.
He's OK (sprained shoulder, bumps and bruises), but the car took quite a
beating.  There is already a donor frame under the car and things are
looking up. What a mess. Im glad he didn't give up on the car.



Thanks,



Jim Cain

Jim.Cain at sas.com

Or

919-368-6382



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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Dec 19 10:23:26 2012
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin?
Message-ID: <50D1F80E.40506@bradakis.com>

Was just on the phone talking to someone about a clutch problem.  The 
symptoms
tend to point to a broken taper pin in the cross shaft, hard to tell 
without actually
working on the car.

But the clutch has only about 4,000 miles on it, and had a new cross 
shaft and taper
pin installed at the time.  Have others experienced premature failures here?

mjb.

From rgt2 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Dec 19 11:32:17 2012
From: rgt2 at sbcglobal.net (Rodney Trunnell)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:32:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1355941937.52884.YahooMailNeo@web181303.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

http://ayampotongherbal.com/wp-content/themes/wordsmith-anvil/worldnews.php?organized287.html

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Dec 19 15:47:19 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:47:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut
Message-ID: <00c101cdde3a$cdcfceb0$696f6c10$@uprichard.net>

I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a small-mouth) and I see
there are 3 caged nuts on each side which take a 10:32 threaded bolt.  I had
a total of three, so I need three more.  Looked on the Moss website, but
couldn't seem them.  

 

Is anyone on the list familiar with these items?  Know where I can get
three?

 

Appreciate any help.  Thanks !

Andrew Uprichard

From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Dec 19 16:01:10 2012
From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave Massey)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:01:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut
In-Reply-To: <00c101cdde3a$cdcfceb0$696f6c10$@uprichard.net>
References: <00c101cdde3a$cdcfceb0$696f6c10$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <8CFAC53DE57D26E-C98-32033@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>

Try Roadster Factory

http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=21





Dave Massey






-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>

I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a small-mouth) and I
seethere are 3 caged nuts on each side which take a 10:32 threaded bolt.  I
hada total of three, so I need three more.  Looked on the Moss website,
butcouldn't seem them.   Is anyone on the list familiar with these items?
Know where I can getthree?

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 19 16:24:56 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 15:24:56 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR 3 headlamp caged nut
In-Reply-To: <00c101cdde3a$cdcfceb0$696f6c10$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <AA.99.18568.EBC42D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> I went to put the headlamp assembly back on my TR3 (a 
> small-mouth) and I see there are 3 caged nuts on each side 
> which take a 10:32 threaded bolt.  I had a total of three, so 
> I need three more.  Looked on the Moss website, but couldn't 
> seem them.  

FWIW, I found nylon inserts at FLAPS that fit perfectly and can't rust.
They snap into the square holes, and then the screw spreads them to lock
securely in place.  They do take sheet metal screws though, instead of 10-32
(so I picked up some SS screws at Home Depot to use with them).

-- Randall 

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Dec 20 14:38:48 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 16:38:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Exhaust question
Message-ID: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net>

Has anyone on the list had reason to install a Moss exhaust on a TR3
recently?  All goes together pretty well, but the tailpipe extension seems
WAY to big compared with the end of the resonator.  And there's no way it
can be tightened with the recommended clamp.  I hate to start cutting it,
but.

 

If anyone has "been there, done that", please let me know.  Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 06:21:37 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:21:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>

The traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
cars were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
save the venue.
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball


Don

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Dec 21 07:38:53 2012
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:38:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
Message-ID: <2f01.21c28a3b.3e05ce7d@cs.com>

Let's see, 7500 luxury flats on the 77 acre site.  That's almost 100 flats 
per acre.  Sounds like high density housing to me.

Oh, well.  Nostalgia doesn't pay well these days.

Dave

In a message dated 12/21/2012 7:22:06 AM Central Standard Time, 
don.hiscock at gmail.com writes: 
> The traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of 
> our
> cars were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
> save the venue.
> http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiast
> s-campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 08:03:06 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 07:03:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

good grief
whats the world coming to?
i used to take the train from liverpool
to london and then the tube.
there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
weekend.
and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
 

From: Don Hiscock
<don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday,
December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

The
traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
cars
were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
save the
venue.
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball


Don

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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Dec 21 08:13:34 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:13:34 -0600
Subject: [TR] Exhaust question
In-Reply-To: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net>
References: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <77296D8CF1B047AD9B3593C5698989EF@bboffice>

Andrew,
I have the Moss straight pipe for TR2s on my TR3A, love the louder exhaust
note, and the aluminum extension from TRF.  I did have to cut four slots
about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so
the stock wire clamp would secure it. 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 3:39 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Exhaust question

Has anyone on the list had reason to install a Moss exhaust on a TR3
recently?  All goes together pretty well, but the tailpipe extension seems
WAY to big compared with the end of the resonator.  And there's no way it
can be tightened with the recommended clamp.  I hate to start cutting it,
but.

 

If anyone has "been there, done that", please let me know.  Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 08:45:39 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 08:45:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Exhaust question
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References: <012b01cddefa$670b3370$35219a50$@uprichard.net>
	<77296D8CF1B047AD9B3593C5698989EF@bboffice>
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On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> ... and the aluminum extension from TRF.  I did have to cut four slots
> about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so
> the stock wire clamp would secure it.



In that case it would seem to be quite a bit oversized as (as I recall) the
extension normally fits over the exhaust pipe.

Geo

From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Dec 21 08:58:18 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 09:58:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] Exhaust question
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEROGH_+eExJOzGPpgZtEtPKPjekrL9HoFMVv7Df_PQTA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CANzE1bEROGH_+eExJOzGPpgZtEtPKPjekrL9HoFMVv7Df_PQTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <80176E72390B4537A8016FC846BA7FD6@bboffice>

That is correct, sorry if I was not clear.  SOP always calls for the leading
pipe to be inserted inside the following one in the direction of flow.
 
Slots are only the width of a hacksaw blade, so no real distortion or
leakage.
 
BB

  _____  

From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:46 AM
To: Wbeech
Cc: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Exhaust question


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:


... and the aluminum extension from TRF.  I did have to cut four slots
about 1.5" deep at the attachment end in order to bring it down to size so
the stock wire clamp would secure it.

 
 
In that case it would seem to be quite a bit oversized as (as I recall) the
extension normally fits over the exhaust pipe. 
 
Geo

From amfoto1 at aol.com  Fri Dec 21 10:02:46 2012
From: amfoto1 at aol.com (Alan Myers)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:02:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? (Mark J Bradakis)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1355943604.28264.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.23.1355943604.28264.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CFADB421FE85D9-C40-3E043@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Mark,

I don't think there is any significant difference in that clutch shaft
mechanism across the entire TR line up through the 6. Other things changed...
flywheel, clutch size and type, etc.... but not the basic layout of the shaft
and pin and release bearing yoke, other than the earlier shafts had grease
zerks in the ends.


Before you go to all the trouble of pulling the gearbox, be sure to eliminate
all other possible sources of play in the clutch release system. But I'm
afraid it's all too common... Depending upon the quality and fitment of the
taper pin, it can fail very quickly. There is a lot of torque on that pin. I
suspect the original parts were hardened and a lot of the replacements are
not.


There are several possible solutions...

1. Get one of the better grade, upgrade taper pins available.
2. Either the original type of pin or the upgrade, it's important to check the
fit and it might be a good idea to lap the pin in the shaft, so that it fits
better and best distributes the torque load on the pin.
3. Also, check that the pin doesn't bottom out and remain slightly loose.
4. Or, drill the yoke and shaft straight through and put a 1/4" Grade 8 bolt
through it instead of the pin. Use washers as needed and a locking nut and
safety wire to keep the bolt secure.

Unfortunately, any repair means removing the gearbox to get at the pin and
shaft. Even with the box out of the car, it might be difficult to get to the
remains of the pin to fully remove it. Sometimes it's necessary to drill a
hole opposite the pin to be able to drive out the broken bit to be able to
replace the pin, or to get the yoke off the shaft and the shaft out of the
gearbox,. (Note: I've make a habit of drilling a small hole opposite the pin
whenever new parts are installed, because there's a good chance it will be
needed sooner or later.)



Alan Myers
San Jose, Calif.
amfoto1 at aol.com
'62 TR4 CT17602L
http://www.triumphowners.com/640


------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 10:23:26 -0700
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin?
Message-ID: <50D1F80E.40506 at bradakis.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Was just on the phone talking to someone about a clutch problem.  The
symptomstend to point to a broken taper pin in the cross shaft, hard to tell
without actuallyworking on the car.But the clutch has only about 4,000 miles
on it, and had a new cross shaft and taperpin installed at the time.  Have
others experienced premature failures here?mjb.
------------------------------

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Dec 21 10:29:37 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:29:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 clutch taper pin? (Mark J Bradakis)
In-Reply-To: <8CFADB421FE85D9-C40-3E043@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>
References: <mailman.23.1355943604.28264.triumphs@autox.team.net>
	<8CFADB421FE85D9-C40-3E043@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>
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Or both 1 & 4:

http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/cross%20bolt.JPG

On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Alan Myers <amfoto1 at aol.com> wrote:

> ...There are several possible solutions...
>
> 1. Get one of the better grade, upgrade taper pins available.
>
> 4. Or, drill the yoke and shaft straight through and put a 1/4" Grade 8
> bolt
> through it instead of the pin...

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec 21 11:20:55 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 18:20:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
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No nostaligia doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the
horrendous headcolds and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week
"on the stand" at Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield.
Jonmac

________________________________
 From: Frank Fisher
<yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs
<Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03
Subject: Re:
[TR] Earls Court demolition planned


>good grief
>whats the world coming to?
>i used to take the train from liverpool
>to london and then the tube.
>there
was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
>weekend.
>and yest the dolly birds
where always so sexy
>
>
>From: Don Hiscock
><don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>To:
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Friday,
>December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
>Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
>The
>traditional home of the
British Motor Show, the site where most of our
>cars
>were premiered, is
planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
>save the
>venue.
>http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
>campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
>Don
>
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Fri Dec 21 11:40:47 2012
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill_beecher at flash.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:40:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
Message-ID: <E617AD16237B4520825E8A0C1197E454@bboffice>

Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet
release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had?   Of course, it would have to
be safe and secure.
Thx,
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
www.triumphowners.com/1566 <http://www.triumphowners.com/1566> 
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti

From jdabars at att.net  Fri Dec 21 12:15:25 2012
From: jdabars at att.net (Janis Dabars)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 11:15:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Fw: Yummy eats for Christmas    OR anytime
Message-ID: <1356117325.67313.YahooMailRC@web185006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Janis Dabars <jdabars at att.net>
To:
kgift at msn.com
Sent: Fri, December 21, 2012 1:48:30 PM
Subject: Fw: Yummy eats
for Christmas OR anytime









>
>----- Forwarded Message ----
>>From:
Janis Dabars jdabars at att.net
>>Subject: Yummy eats for Christmas OR anytime
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>..
>>
>>
>>Here is what I am preparing for  Christmas,
>>New Years
day or any time.  NON FATTENING  VERRRY YUMMY.  Fresh pork(11 pound)
>>picnic, injected with orange juice, sprinkled with sea salt and coarse
ground 
>>black pepper, double  wrap in heavy aluminum foil, skin side up,
score skin with 
>>razor blade in 1 inch diamond pattern.  Wrap tight and
place in pan with water 
>>in it.   Place in oven, turn up to 400 F degrees
and bake for 2 hours, turn down 
>>to 300 F degrees and bake for 10
hours---YES  10 HOURS---
>>replenish water in pan about every three hours.
>>After  10 hours, yes 10 hours,  
>>take out of oven, leave in pan, unwrap
foil and suck out juice(save for sauer 
>>kraut)  Internal temp of meat should
be about 210 F degree and nicely 
>>brown/tan.  If like the outside  more
crunchy---turn on broil  for about 10--15 
>>minutes  until it barely stars to
smoke.
>>Out of the oven, let it rest/cool for about 1 hour, put on serving
platter.  
>>This tastes heavenly---NO, you will not set stove on fire with
all the 
>>cooking---like mother in law said.  I started cooking, in oven, at
10 pm, turned 
>>down to 300 F at midnite, went to bed, at 3 am added water to
pan(as needed) 
>>went to bed.
>>At 6 am , water as needed---back to bed till 
9 am to finish up baking.   Once 
>>you do it this way----no other way will
do.  Cooking/baking is the southern 
>>syle,
>>s l o w     and    l o w
>> 
>>NOW the piece de resistance.   The sauer kraut.
>>3 cans drained Libby
Bavarian style(with carraway seeds) half a small head 
>>cabbage---finely
shreaded.
>>Put both on baking pan, pour ham dripings(which you saved) as per
taste, mix and 
>>slow sautee untill
>>cabbage tender.  Turn up heat untill
kraut/cabbage mixture carmelizez(Somewhat 
>>brown but not burned)
>>Adjust
amount of dripings as per taste, mix and serve warm.  Heaven!!!!  Hot
>>English Coleman dry powder  mustard mix ,with a shot of Vodka---recepy on
>>request. ATOMIC HORSERADISH
>>as a condiment, and it is real hot.
>>If you
want to order Atomic, from California, ask me for directions.
>>Atomic is so
hot/spicey that you dish it out with METAL spoon, plastic spoon 
>>melts but
it is real good---better than any store bought.  I recommend it highly 
>>and
I that aint't no BS.
>> 
>>The ham picnics can be baked more than one at a
time.  This time I prepared  two 
>>but have done 8 at a time in a commercial
oven/stove.
>>Bon voyage, got to go eat, with boiled potatos on the side and
boiled kapujiner 
>>peas from Holland(ask where to get peas--me,  $5.00 a
pound---stores well as 
>>they are dried.  Ham/roast tastes even better cold,
second, third day.
>>Janis, Indianapolis, Indiana, U.S.A.
>>jdabars at att.net
>> 
>>
>>
>> 

From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Dec 21 12:30:53 2012
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud R)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 12:30:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <E617AD16237B4520825E8A0C1197E454@bboffice>
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On my TR6 I used about 12-18 inches of an old bicycle brake cable.   
Run it through a small hold into the passenger footwell. Put the cut  
end through the same hold as the existing cable and the end with the  
round piece of metal on the end of the bike cable in the passenger  
footwell. Cheap, simple, not obtrusive, and can be opened easily by  
hand or a pair of pliers pulling the cable.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)







On Dec 21, 2012, at 11:40 AM, <bill_beecher at flash.net> <bill_beecher at flash.net 
 > wrote:

> Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet
> release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had?   Of course, it would  
> have to
> be safe and secure.
> Thx,
> Bill
>
> Bill Beecher
> '58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
> '62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
> www.triumphowners.com/1566 <http://www.triumphowners.com/1566>
> '68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
> "If you think you have everything under control... You're driving  
> too slow"
> M.Andretti
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 21 17:04:42 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 16:04:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
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laughing.
having worked many trade shows i now know your pain John.
but back
then i was a young kid looking to see hot cars, hot women and a  large amount
of brew.
the spectators always had more fun..well maybe. i know me and the
boys did
 


________________________________
From: John Macartney
<flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don
Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>;
"Dave1massey at cs.com" <Dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012
10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


No nostaligia
doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the horrendous headcolds
and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week "on the stand" at
Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield.

Jonmac
________________________________
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To:
Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent:
Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition
planned


>good grief
>whats the world coming to?
>i used to take the train
from liverpool
>to london and then the tube.
>there was always a bunch of guys
going for a fun
>weekend.
>and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
>From: Don Hiscock
><don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>To: Triumphs
<Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
>Sent: Friday,
>December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
>Subject:
[TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
>The
>traditional home of the British
Motor Show, the site where most of our
>cars
>were premiered, is planned to be
torn down.  A group is working to
>save the
>venue.
>http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
>campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
>Don
>
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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Dec 21 18:06:08 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 01:06:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <1356134682.15615.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1356114055.816.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<1356134682.15615.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1356138368.4074.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Still recall Standard-Triumph's UK Sales Director stating that in his view,
"those few young men who populate the Company's London showroom are overpaid,
oversexed and seriously underworked." Poor man, he had three seriously
stunning daughters whjo all did crazy things in their Herald Coupes and
Spitfires. But we salesmen from the showroom had much the same excitement
about Earls Court and for the same reasons - but we still came home at the end
of the week with 'flu, no voice - and a rather serious hangover, as I recall.
Great days!

Jonmac     
________________________________
 From: Frank Fisher
<yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: John Macartney <flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>; Don
Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>;
"Dave1massey at cs.com" <Dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Saturday, 22 December 2012,
0:04
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


>laughing.
>having
worked many trade shows i now know your pain John.
>but back
>then i was a
young kid looking to see hot cars, hot women and a  large amount
>of brew.
>the spectators always had more fun..well maybe. i know me and the
>boys did
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: John Macartney
><flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>
>To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don
>Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>;
>"Dave1massey at cs.com" <Dave1massey at cs.com> 
>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012
>10:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
>
>No nostaligia
>doesn't pay - but I don't feel at all nostalgic for the horrendous headcolds
>and infections I used to catch after a stint of one week "on the stand" at
>Earls Court for the Motor Show or the Royal Smithfield.
>
>Jonmac
>________________________________
>From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
>To:
>Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Sent:
>Friday, 21 December 2012, 15:03
>Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court
demolition
>planned
>
>
>>good grief
>>whats the world coming to?
>>i used to
take the train
>from liverpool
>>to london and then the tube.
>>there was
always a bunch of guys
>going for a fun
>>weekend.
>>and yest the dolly birds
where always so sexy
>>
>>
>>From: Don Hiscock
>><don.hiscock at gmail.com>
>>To:
Triumphs
><Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
>>Sent: Friday,
>>December 21, 2012 5:21
AM
>>Subject:
>[TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>>
>>The
>>traditional home
of the British
>Motor Show, the site where most of our
>>cars
>>were
premiered, is planned to be
>torn down.  A group is working to
>>save the
>>venue.
>>http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiast
s-
>>campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>>
>>
>>Don
>>
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From mmarr at notwires.com  Fri Dec 21 20:43:31 2012
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:43:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Dolly birds?  You're a child of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual 
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest.  My dad would yell 
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would 
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs" 
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
> and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
> <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
> save the
> venue.
> http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Dec 21 11:54:22 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 10:54:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <E617AD16237B4520825E8A0C1197E454@bboffice>
Message-ID: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet
> release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had?   Of course, it 
> would have to
> be safe and secure.

And be accessible after the cable breaks.

I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and
front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc.  Seemed like a lot of
work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier!

I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of
the owner's name or how to contact him.

-- Randall 

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 10:41:24 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:41:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101>
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never did the boat show.
could not afford any of those cars they where
showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams
________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To:
Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

Dolly birds?  You're a child
of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat
show and the annual 
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun
contest.  My dad would yell 
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey
(Portsmouth) looked like they would 
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher"
<yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don
Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs" 
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the
world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and
then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
>
and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
>
<don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent:
Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition
planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where
most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is
working to
> save the
> venue.
>
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
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From TR250Driver at aol.com  Sat Dec 22 12:06:01 2012
From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:06:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension?
Message-ID: <4b545.3931e6ce.3e075e99@aol.com>

Hey Guys,
I'm working on the 63 TR4's front suspension. This is the later type  with 
front & back upper A-arms. I am confused for some reason as to  which is 
which?  Yikes I should know this!  I am going to say that the  arm with the 
bigger curve in it is the front.  Then the one that is not  curved as much is 
the back.  I'm looking at the various assembly diagrams  and I can't really 
tell from those.  I don't want to be wrong and have a do  over.  Can a anyone 
confirm this?  I would really appreciate it.  
Thanks,
Darrell

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 22 12:21:44 2012
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:21:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension?
In-Reply-To: <4b545.3931e6ce.3e075e99@aol.com>
References: <4b545.3931e6ce.3e075e99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <92019858-BBC2-4599-A72A-165E06A81250@verizon.net>

Big curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the verticle
link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that are right
side and left side, not the same.

Dean



On Dec 22, 2012, at 2:06 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote:

> Hey Guys,
> I'm working on the 63 TR4's front suspension. This is the later type  with
> front & back upper A-arms. I am confused for some reason as to  which is
> which?  Yikes I should know this!  I am going to say that the  arm with the
> bigger curve in it is the front.  Then the one that is not  curved as much
is
> the back.  I'm looking at the various assembly diagrams  and I can't really
> tell from those.  I don't want to be wrong and have a do  over.  Can a
anyone
> confirm this?  I would really appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> Darrell
>
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From TR250Driver at aol.com  Sat Dec 22 12:48:01 2012
From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:48:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension/trunnions?
Message-ID: <5a93.77c1f552.3e076871@aol.com>

Hey Thanks Dean,
Yeah, you are correct on the trunnions as well.  Looking straight at  them 
one is slanted down to the left (marked TRF3-D) and the other is  slanted 
down to the right (TRF4-C). Any idea which is which? 
Many Thanks,
Darrell 
I just did a front suspension rebuild on my 62.  None of this  on the early 
cars. 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/22/2012 2:21:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tr3a58 at verizon.net writes:

Big  curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the  
verticle
link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that  are right
side and left side, not the same.

Dean 

From tr3a58 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 22 14:09:43 2012
From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 16:09:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 upper A-arms front suspension/trunnions?
In-Reply-To: <5a93.77c1f552.3e076871@aol.com>
References: <5a93.77c1f552.3e076871@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B3BA0486-D0A2-4075-B50F-84C2ACF9EF53@verizon.net>

part #133838 is the RH side. With the cross pin for the lower A-arms
level, the vertical link leans to the back.

part #133839 is the LH side. Again with the pin level, it leans to the back.
They used to be marked RH & LH or had the part # on them.

All the early 4 and 3's had no caster or camber. That's why they would
follow the crown of the road and try to dart left & right under hard braking.
Nice improvement.

Dean

On Dec 22, 2012, at 2:48 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote:

> Hey Thanks Dean,
> Yeah, you are correct on the trunnions as well.  Looking straight at them
one is slanted down to the left (marked TRF3-D) and the other is slanted down
to the right (TRF4-C). Any idea which is which?
> Many Thanks,
> Darrell
> I just did a front suspension rebuild on my 62.  None of this on the early
cars.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/22/2012 2:21:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tr3a58 at verizon.net writes:
> Big curve to the front and shallow to the rear. This is to angle the
verticle
> link to the back for 3 degrees caster. Must have trunnions that are right
> side and left side, not the same.
>
> Dean

From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Dec 22 16:20:10 2012
From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave Massey)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 18:20:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>

 There is another in France.  I saw it last May.  I don't know if it is the
same one I saw pictures of some eight years ago since the owner had only
bought it recently  and from an intermediary if it is indeed the same on.
Pretty clever and convenient.




Dave Massey






-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 1:13 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?


> Has anyone ever retro-fitted a TR3A with an internally operated bonnet
> release as the early TR2s and then TR4-6 had?   Of course, it
> would have to
> be safe and secure.

And be accessible after the cable breaks.

I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and
front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc.  Seemed like a lot of
work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier!

I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of
the owner's name or how to contact him.

-- Randall

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Dec 22 16:31:19 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:31:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice>

I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was
feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work.  Really,
I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what
was found on the TR2 & TR4.

Bill 

-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
There is another in France.  I saw it last May.  I don't know if it is the
same one I saw pictures of some eight years ago since the owner had only
bought it recently  and from an intermediary if it is indeed the same on.
Pretty clever and convenient.
Dave Massey
-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

I saw a TR3A years ago that had been modified so the entire hood, apron and
front fender area pivoted forward, ala Spitfire etc.  Seemed like a lot of
work, but sure would make changing the radiator a lot easier!

I think that was at TRfest in San Diego, around 2000 or 2001; but no idea of
the owner's name or how to contact him.
-- Randall

From mmarr at notwires.com  Sun Dec 23 01:15:01 2012
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:15:01 -0600
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
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	<1356198084.57976.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and
ultimately owned several  They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two
happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he
sells it.

And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo.
My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time
I wrote my note.

Mike


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


never did the boat show.
could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even
in my dreams


From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


Dolly birds?  You're a child of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest.  My dad would yell
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs"
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
> and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
> <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
> save the
> venue.
>
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
> **
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Dec 23 05:32:22 2012
From: dave1massey at cs.com (Dave Massey)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 07:32:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice>
References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
	<458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice>
Message-ID: <8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>

 I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it would be not too difficult to
mount a bonnet latch in the place of the bonnet lifting spring.  You don't
have to be limited to a Triumph latch, either.  There might be other bonnet
latches that are more suitable for the application.

As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key are all part of the
appeal of the TR3.  That and the push button starter, the hand crank, the
positive earth electrical system and the side curtains.  It is the
anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me.  If I wanted an
updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6.

Oh, I HAVE a TR6.  And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's
another story.

But that's just me.



Dave Massey






-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
To: 'Dave Massey' <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 5:31 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?


I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was
feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work.  Really,
I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to what
was found on the TR2 & TR4.

Bill

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 05:57:14 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:57:14 -0600
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
	<458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice>
	<8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCso=JSnV52NU9QEY+cw_2tPHqnJdYmFLPPjfmu7k6--Q@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, I'm with ya on the elegance of the TR3 Dzus system.  Triumph's
move away from the remote release used in the earliest TR2s was an
improvement IMO.  The carriage key system works nicely.

To the op... Have you considered one of the key fob Dzus tools that
have been made in years past by one of the members of our community?
That convenient little device makes the Dzus system almost as fast as
an internal release and more reliable.  There are probably a few of
those still around, although they were never widely distributed.

Don



On 12/23/12, Dave Massey <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>  I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it would be not too difficult
> to
> mount a bonnet latch in the place of the bonnet lifting spring.  You don't
> have to be limited to a Triumph latch, either.  There might be other bonnet
> latches that are more suitable for the application.
>
> As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key are all part of
> the
> appeal of the TR3.  That and the push button starter, the hand crank, the
> positive earth electrical system and the side curtains.  It is the
> anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me.  If I wanted an
> updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6.
>
> Oh, I HAVE a TR6.  And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's
> another story.
>
> But that's just me.
>
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: 'Dave Massey' <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 5:31 pm
> Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
>
>
> I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was
> feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work.  Really,
> I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to
> what
> was found on the TR2 & TR4.
>
> Bill
>
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From buik57389 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 23 07:25:04 2012
From: buik57389 at yahoo.com (karl sisson)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 06:25:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCso=JSnV52NU9QEY+cw_2tPHqnJdYmFLPPjfmu7k6--Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6A.6A.29976.D50B4D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
	<8CFAEB204F0B074-1DD8-43544@webmail-m035.sysops.aol.com>
	<458111F23DFE4817AFC28C09DD4606A5@bboffice>
	<8CFAF20B054D430-F6C-45B56@webmail-d029.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAPK7CFCso=JSnV52NU9QEY+cw_2tPHqnJdYmFLPPjfmu7k6--Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1356272704.54601.YahooMailNeo@web124503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Don  I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm constantly
misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them or where I could get one?
Karl



________________________________
From: Don Hiscock
<don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Dave Massey <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Cc:
triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 4:57:14 AM
Subject:
Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?

Dave, I'm with ya on the
elegance of the TR3 Dzus system.  Triumph's
move away from the remote release
used in the earliest TR2s was an
improvement IMO.  The carriage key system
works nicely.

To the op... Have you considered one of the key fob Dzus tools
that
have been made in years past by one of the members of our community?
That
convenient little device makes the Dzus system almost as fast as
an internal
release and more reliable.  There are probably a few of
those still around,
although they were never widely distributed.

Don



On 12/23/12, Dave Massey
<dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>  I'm no auto body guy but I would think that it
would be not too difficult
> to
> mount a bonnet latch in the place of the
bonnet lifting spring.  You don't
> have to be limited to a Triumph latch,
either.  There might be other bonnet
> latches that are more suitable for the
application.
>
> As for me, I think the Zeus fasteners and the Carriage Key
are all part of
> the
> appeal of the TR3.  That and the push button starter,
the hand crank, the
> positive earth electrical system and the side curtains. 
It is the
> anachronistic nature of the beast that is the draw for me.  If I
wanted an
> updated version of the TR3 I would get a TR6.
>
> Oh, I HAVE a
TR6.  And I have no qualms about updating that. But that's
> another story.
>
> But that's just me.
>
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original
Message-----
> From: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: 'Dave Massey'
<dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 22,
2012 5:31 pm
> Subject: RE: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
>
>
> I remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it was
> feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of work.  Really,
> I was just looking for a bonnet release system that might be similar to
>
what
> was found on the TR2 & TR4.
>
> Bill
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 09:05:01 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 11:05:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3S LeMans 1959 -- Links to two unpublished photos
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFD2jjJ190NUwpYsvqSs=s_wfXo58i-GxvMN3_8=FACQ5w@mail.gmail.com>

Two photos of the TR3S racers at LeMans in June, 1959, unpublished as far
as I know and recently added to my small collection of ephemera, offered as
an early Christmas present to those on the list who get a kick out of this
stuff.  I've always thought the TR3S cars were among the coolest TR racers,
even with their snakebit history.  XHP938, XHP939, and XHP940 visible in
the photos.

Here are links to scans of the 2-3/4 inch x 4 inch (7 cm x 10 cm)
originals.  If you're interested, you should be able to display and
download the original *fine* detail scans.
http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-9kP26m3/0/XL/i-9kP26m3-XL.jpg
http://4xdog.smugmug.com/photos/i-cMHtmFB/0/XL/i-cMHtmFB-XL.jpg

A few interesting points...
1.  The "opened up" grilles look terrific, IMO.  As one whose TR3B is still
fighting cooling issues I'm tempted to make one of those out of a donor
grille and some wide-jaw pliers.
2.  The corrugated paperboard covers over the headlights look like a true
racer's adaptation to necessity.  Not pretty, but improvised in a minute
and probably functional.
3.  The head badges look to be black and red -- the earlier style than the
blue and white Standard Triumph were using at the time.  Kinda hard to tell
for sure, but white doesn't seem to show.  I believe the black and red
badge was used on at least one of the TR3S replicas built in recent years.
4.  A single leather strap at the front center edge of the bonnets.  No T R
I U M P H letters on the apron, which would have been a surprise if they
*were* used.
5.  Body color painted hinges.  Similar to the TRS racers.  Beading on
wings still in bright metal, though.
6.  The auxiliary lights look to be SFT fogs -- not SLR pencil beams.  On
the driver's side the lamp looks to be clocked in its housing to maintain
orientation.  Not so on the off side.
7.  Can't be sure, but the wheels sorta look like 72 spoke Borrani wire
wheels.  ISTR that Triumph did use Borranis in racing at some point.
 Others may have more info to add here, especially some of FOT friends.

Regards,

Don

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Dec 23 12:57:11 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:57:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 Drop Arm position
Message-ID: <11EB8D372BCD407392540536A2D6960B@bboffice>

Reinstalling the steering box on the TR3B and want to have the drop arm in
the correct 3 degree offset with the wheels straight.  In the Bentley's they
say offset to the left and show a diagram from a RHD car.  So my question is
do I offset to the right for my LHD car?  This would have been more simply
put if that had said pointing to the "inboard" or "outboard".

Many thanks and a Merry Christmas to all.

Bill


Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti

From Loumetelko at aol.com  Sun Dec 23 14:07:56 2012
From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 16:07:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
Message-ID: <22ccc.3fca2a04.3e08ccac@aol.com>

I  remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt out, I think it  was
feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked like a lot of  work.  Really,
I was just looking for a bonnet release system that  might be similar to 
what
was found on the TR2 & TR4.

Bill 
 
 
 
On my early TR2 having suffered through the agony of synchronizing the two  
forward releases plus the paranoia of a break in of the main cable, I must 
ask  why subject yourself through that agony?  The two Dzus fasteners on the 
 bonnet is the best and by far the simplest method.
 
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Dec 23 15:42:54 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 17:42:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] OK - one more wiring question
Message-ID: <005001cde15e$d99ec990$8cdc5cb0$@uprichard.net>

The small mouth is wired and everything works.......except........

When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, after all), the
light in the dash cluster flashes once and no more.  The turn signals
continue to work normally front and rear.  When I check the wire in the
center of the three going to the flasher unit, it agrees with the light on
the dash:  one flash and no more each time I use the signals.

Any suggestion on this one?

Andrew Uprichard

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 18:29:39 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 18:29:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] OK - one more wiring question
In-Reply-To: <005001cde15e$d99ec990$8cdc5cb0$@uprichard.net>
References: <005001cde15e$d99ec990$8cdc5cb0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEtJ=0yRj7_=rhKBCpRozegW=my-Haqa6yvchvN1653hA@mail.gmail.com>

Are you using the usual incandescent bulbs with the brighter filament wired
for the indicator?

I ask as too little load can induce what you're seeing.

Geo

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Andrew Uprichard
<auprichard at uprichard.net>wrote:

> When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, after all), the
> light in the dash cluster flashes once and no more.

From Loumetelko at aol.com  Sun Dec 23 18:41:20 2012
From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 20:41:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
Message-ID: <27a4a.144ddd3d.3e090cc0@aol.com>

____________________________________
 From: Loumetelko at aol.com
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: 12/23/2012  4:08:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release  System for TR3/A/B?


I  remember the guy who had the whole front apron tilt  out, I think it  was
feature in the Moss magazine, yes, that looked  like a lot of  work.  
Really,
I was just looking for a bonnet  release system that  might be similar to 
what
was found on the TR2  & TR4.

Bill 



On my early TR2 having suffered through  the agony of synchronizing the two 
 
forward releases plus the  paranoia of a break in of the main cable, I must 
ask  why subject  yourself through that agony?  The two Dzus fasteners on 
the 
bonnet is  the best and by far the simplest method.

Lou Metelko
Auburn,  Indiana

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Dec 23 22:04:09 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 23:04:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFB4yK7d8dtGHkscJjQ4kv+LEk7g_BW7M0Omb1A1PF8rnA@mail.gmail.com>

Anybody following this one?  A pretty well known car in the UK many
years ago, I understand.  Interesting look.  Closes later tonight.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-RACE-/300833631353?clk_rvr_id=429857759544

Don

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 23 14:16:44 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 13:16:44 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR3 Drop Arm position
In-Reply-To: <11EB8D372BCD407392540536A2D6960B@bboffice>
Message-ID: <31.A5.29976.CB477D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

Look carefully at the end of the shaft and the drop arm just outside of
where the nut sits.  All of mine have had match marks on them.

-- Randall 

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 23 16:28:24 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:28:24 -0800
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <22ccc.3fca2a04.3e08ccac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC.5D.29976.79397D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Really, I was just looking for a bonnet 
> release system that  might be similar to what was found on 
> the TR2 & TR4.

That was kind of my point, the TR4 bonnet opens back to front, which allows
the use of a less reliable catch.  My Stag uses the same catch, and I can't
count how many times it has popped open while traveling down the road.  No
way would I want that on a bonnet that opens front to back, as the edge of
the bonnet will catch the air stream and very likely throw it into the
windscreen (and possibly my head).

-- Randall 

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 23 10:12:55 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 09:12:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <1356272704.54601.YahooMailNeo@web124503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <92.EA.18568.69B37D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Don  I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm 
> constantly misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them 
> or where I could get one?

The screwdriver blade of a 'Tinker' model swiss army knife actually works
pretty good, as long as the buttons aren't too stiff.

I also keep a collection of T handles scattered around, one in each door
pocket plus one on the bench near where I park the car and another in the
tool box.

-- Randall 

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Dec 23 16:24:13 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 15:24:13 -0800
Subject: [TR] OK - one more wiring question
In-Reply-To: <005001cde15e$d99ec990$8cdc5cb0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <3D.79.05345.C9297D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> When I turn on the "indicators" (I did grow up in Ireland, 
> after all), the light in the dash cluster flashes once and no 
> more.  The turn signals continue to work normally front and 
> rear.  When I check the wire in the center of the three going 
> to the flasher unit, it agrees with the light on the dash:  
> one flash and no more each time I use the signals.

Try a different flasher unit.  When I went through this some years ago, I
found that many of the units on the market would not work properly, even
though they were listed for the application.  The only unit I could find at
my local auto parts store that would work properly was a Tridon EL-13
"electronic" flasher (it's actually electro-mechanical, not electronic).

You can also try charging the battery and having the engine running when
doing the test.  Some of the "load sensitive" flashers don't work right when
the battery voltage is a bit low.  If doing that helps, you may find that
something is limiting the current in the turn signal circuit.

-- Randall 

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Mon Dec 24 07:55:58 2012
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:55:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
Message-ID: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>

First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was really
suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get some
really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of buying
replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped from
cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of
dissapointing..
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Dec 24 08:36:32 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:36:32 -0600
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
Message-ID: <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice>

Dave,
Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or
individuals.  Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two
years ago, before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 +
$20S&H.

BUT, we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd
treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others.  One of my eBay tricks
is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know.

Merry Christmas to all and a very Triumph-ant New Year.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices

First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was
really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could
get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the
advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable
parts stripped from cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or
TRF. Kind of dissapointing..
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 08:37:20 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:37:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Internal Bonnet Release System for TR3/A/B?
In-Reply-To: <92.EA.18568.69B37D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
References: <1356272704.54601.YahooMailNeo@web124503.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<92.EA.18568.69B37D05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBty-L=bXFWODkg9LdvvPS7F9hASpkYTojZHk7TSHzCZA@mail.gmail.com>

The original inspiration of the key fob Dzus tools I spoke ofearlier  was a guy
who had an inch and a half of 1/4-inch bar stock filed on one end to fit
the Dzus and drilled on the other end to fit on a keyring.  Not fancy, but
it worked.

A guy who's been around TRs for a while took it to another level some years
ago with a small run of cast aluminum keyfob tools in the shape of a
stylized TR3 where an extension to the rear wing/overrider became the
carriage key.  There was a version that opened like a penknife, too. They
were pretty cool little items, and there are probably a few unfinished
blanks left over.  The market really isn't there to invest in tooling or
support pricing that justifies the handwork.  So the few that may still be
kicking around are probably it for now.

As a practical solution, Karl, you might want to whittle one out of bar
stock or use the Swiss Army solution proposed by Randall.

On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> > Don  I'd sure like to have one of those Dzus key fobs as I'm
> > constantly misplacing my T handle. Any idea on who made them
> > or where I could get one?
>
> The screwdriver blade of a 'Tinker' model swiss army knife actually works
> pretty good, as long as the buttons aren't too stiff.
>
> I also keep a collection of T handles scattered around, one in each door
> pocket plus one on the bench near where I park the car and another in the
> tool box.
>
> -- Randall
>
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From jodyfkerr at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 08:53:26 2012
From: jodyfkerr at gmail.com (Jody Kerr)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:53:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
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To a certain extent Ebay  has caused it's own mess.

I believe the final straw was when Ebay started charging the seller
based on on the price of the product AND shipping. Taking 9% of the
selling cost is one thing, but taking 9% of the shipping as well means
that many folks just lost money trying to sell there. But that's what
happens when there's no competition in the marketplace.

Jody

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> Dave,
> Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or
> individuals.  Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two
> years ago, before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 +
> $20S&H.
>
> BUT, we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd
> treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others.  One of my eBay tricks
> is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know.
>
> Merry Christmas to all and a very Triumph-ant New Year.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
>
> First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
> I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
> looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
> It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was
> really suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could
> get some really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the
> advantage of buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable
> parts stripped from cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or
> TRF. Kind of dissapointing..
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 08:50:52 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 08:50:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
	<43FFA2557911455390895B6EBB34F9CF@bboffice>
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Good deals are still out there but harder to find.  I've come across a few
when a part was incorrectly listed &/or poorly presented.  In a recent
extreme example I picked up an excellent capillary tube TR3A temp gauge for
$26.  I cleaned it up a bit, tested it, took more and better photos, listed
it correctly & sold it for $200 to a guy in Europe.  He then turned around
and sold it on Europe's eBay for $330+.

I don't make a habit of this bottom-feeding behavior but will  admit it was
a bit of fun.  Promptly burned though the profits buying other stuff I
actually needed of course.

Geo


On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Dave,
> Agree, eBay is just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores
> or
> individuals.

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 09:05:45 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:05:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBQCuXk9V9qv8mGqwRGTF2vmF5ddo1R6bJVdg3ZJ_HFrw@mail.gmail.com>

eBay really wants to be Amazon.  That's at the heart of a lot of their
recent changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new
eBay-speak.  They're trying more and more to become a storefront where
people put stuff in a cart and buy it.  They've also gotten what many of us
feel to be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.

This might be the future eBay, but for those of us who remember the "old"
'Bay, it really seems to have lost something.  We bidders -- and even
sellers in the traditional sense -- don't seem to factor into eBay's future
plans.  I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's "dance with the one that brung you"
line.  eBay forgets that at its peril, IMO.

Don



On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
> I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
> looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
> It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was
> really
> suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get
> some
> really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of
> buying
> replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped
> from
> cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of
> dissapointing..
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 24 10:16:46 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:16:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBQCuXk9V9qv8mGqwRGTF2vmF5ddo1R6bJVdg3ZJ_HFrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
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actualy no.
Amazon wants to be ebay.
they have just hired a guy named or
nicknamed "famous" who set up ebay motors.
there are a bunch of companies now
who have quick interface software to sell on ebay and other e-commerce
platforms all simultaneously. ebay are struggling to rein them in with their
item descriptions and bothersome multiple listings.
but as in all software
quick as ebey respond the Lister's find ways around.
 
________________________________
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To:
Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> 
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday,
December 24, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
eBay really wants to be Amazon.  That's at the heart of a lot of their
recent
changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new
eBay-speak.  They're trying more and more to become a storefront where
people
put stuff in a cart and buy it.  They've also gotten what many of us
feel to
be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.

This might be the future eBay,
but for those of us who remember the "old"
'Bay, it really seems to have lost
something.  We bidders -- and even
sellers in the traditional sense -- don't
seem to factor into eBay's future
plans.  I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's
"dance with the one that brung you"
line.  eBay forgets that at its peril,
IMO.

Don



On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
wrote:

> First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
> I was just scanning
through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
> looking at the TR2 racer
for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
> It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A
items on Ebay  and was
> really
> suprised at the prices. I can remember a
year or two ago, you could get
> some
> really good deals on parts but now, I
really don't see the advantage of
> buying
> replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe
on NOS for good useable parts stripped
> from
> cars but not anything that  I
could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of
> dissapointing..
> Dave Connitt
> '67
TR4A IRS
> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 10:28:59 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:28:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <1356369406.21037.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <78391C6A2F0047A8A75E9E4B57D2FFD4@DaveLaptop>
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I have a friend who consults with eBay on advanced concepts from time
to time.  It's his assessment that eBay wants to be Amazon based on a
number of brainstorming sessions with them around a conference room
with whiteboard walls as they imagine their future.

Of course, that was earlier in 2012.  Maybe eBay are perfectly happy
being eBay now, but I don't really see signs of that.

Don

On 12/24/12, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> actualy no.
> Amazon wants to be ebay.
> they have just hired a guy named or nicknamed "famous" who set up ebay
> motors.
> there are a bunch of companies now who have quick interface software to
sell
> on ebay and other e-commerce platforms all simultaneously. ebay are
> struggling to rein them in with their item descriptions and bothersome
> multiple listings.
> but as in all software quick as ebey respond the Lister's find ways around.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
>
> eBay really wants to be Amazon.  That's at the heart of a lot of their
> recent changes to "simplify" shipping to bidders -- er... "buyers" in new
> eBay-speak.  They're trying more and more to become a storefront where
> people put stuff in a cart and buy it.  They've also gotten what many of us
> feel to be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.
>
> This might be the future eBay, but for those of us who remember the "old"
> 'Bay, it really seems to have lost something.  We bidders -- and even
> sellers in the traditional sense -- don't seem to factor into eBay's future
> plans.  I'm reminded of Darrell Royal's "dance with the one that brung you"
> line.  eBay forgets that at its peril, IMO.
>
> Don
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>
>> First of all, Merry Christmas everyone!
>> I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning after
>> looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
>> It's been awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was
>> really
>> suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could get
>> some
>> really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the advantage of
>> buying
>> replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable parts stripped
>> from
>> cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or TRF. Kind of
>> dissapointing..
>> Dave Connitt
>> '67 TR4A IRS
>> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
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From pethier at comcast.net  Mon Dec 24 10:35:09 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
In-Reply-To: <1356369406.21037.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1930776211.508418.1356370509862.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

> They've also gotten what many of us
> feel to
> be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.


Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 11:19:55 2012
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:19:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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Sure, but eBay could have put a minimum on final value above which shipping
was not included in fees.  Those items with near zero cost and high
shipping are often under ten bucks or so.  If final value charges were
calculated *without* shipping if the auction ends over a value of, say $50,
there'd be a lot less complaining about eBay in this regard.


On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, <pethier at comcast.net> wrote:

> > They've also gotten what many of us
> > feel to
> > be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.
>
>
> Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away
> the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees.
>
> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
> pethier at comcast.net
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
> http://www.mnautox.com
> http://www.mntriumphs.org

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 24 13:03:55 2012
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 12:03:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
Message-ID: <1356379435.2647.YahooMailNeo@web160106.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Happy Holidays List!
I tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH
parts, but one had to also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake made
at P-P & I tried to fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to be
told that the problem was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER
resolved & I've haven't dealt with either of them again.
 
I'm not going to
get into who gets what % on selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if a
mistake can't be solved after talking to a person, then I really can't trust
that person/system. This is why I love this list, because if you have a
problem, then you can (98% of the time solve it, of course off line). I've
NEVER had a problem with ALL the people on this list. In fact, it's just the
opposite. I'll get the part before I have even gotten a chance to write out
the cheque (I NEVER write out a cheque until I know the money is in that
checking account to cover the cheque.). this may take a couple of days &
that's why I may receive the item before I get a chance to send the cheque. In
fact, I'll go as far as saying that I'll trust this list more than some of my
'family members'. I consider this list as a VERY Close Family. 
 
I am in the
process of GREATLY down sizing my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items. so
to you lookers out there, contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy
Holidays to you & your love ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)!
-Cosmo Kramer

From mmarr at notwires.com  Mon Dec 24 14:08:21 2012
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 15:08:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <1356281876.79309.YahooMailNeo@web120005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1356102186.58662.YahooMailNeo@web120001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101>
	<1356198084.57976.YahooMailNeo@web120006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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So, here is what Earls Court means to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxz4aPoudv8

Mike


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:57 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


add to the boat thing, that i can get sea sick on a pond and you get more idea
of why they didn't come up in my dreams

and how funny is it that i appreciate the Tattoo's now more than i did when i
lived there. not that i didn't appreciate them back then. but maybe more now
that i see so few.


From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned




Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and
ultimately owned several  They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two
happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he
sells it.

And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo.
My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time
I wrote my note.

Mike


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


never did the boat show.
could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even
in my dreams


From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


Dolly birds?  You're a child of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest.  My dad would yell
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs"
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
> and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
> <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
> save the
> venue.
>
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
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From glemon at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec 24 15:28:29 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:28:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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Actually the one way ebay has gotten better is that they have policies that 
discourage excessive shipping, not long after e-bay started some sellers 
realized they could maximize returns by not listing shipping costs and then 
charging truly outrageous S & H.  E bay makes it harder now not to list your 
sipping prices, and if you can give specific feedback on shipping charges, 
if seller gets a low rating I beleive their ebay fees go up.

I agree with Kosmo Kramer, although I haven't been on the Triumph list long 
I was a Healey lister for many years, and the people there were very great, 
I haven't been on the Triumph list as long, but there is the same 
willingness to lend expertise, or a hand if nearby, or a part if not 
available elsewhere.

Merry Christmas to all and A TRIUMPHANT New Year.

Greg Lemon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: <pethier at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices


> Sure, but eBay could have put a minimum on final value above which 
> shipping
> was not included in fees.  Those items with near zero cost and high
> shipping are often under ten bucks or so.  If final value charges were
> calculated *without* shipping if the auction ends over a value of, say 
> $50,
> there'd be a lot less complaining about eBay in this regard.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 12:35 PM, <pethier at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> > They've also gotten what many of us
>> > feel to
>> > be quite greedy in fees -- like on shipping.
>>
>>
>> Seeing Ebay's side of this, there are sellers who essentially give away
>> the merchandise and make it up on outrageous shipping fees.
>>
>> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
>> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
>> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
>> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
>> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
>> pethier at comcast.net
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
>> http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
>> http://www.mnautox.com
>> http://www.mntriumphs.org
>
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From l1j1s at aol.com  Mon Dec 24 16:57:25 2012
From: l1j1s at aol.com (Lawrence Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 18:57:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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Hello, a very profitable co. like has become more concern about greed then
anything else.  Happy Holidays to all. Larry Schwartz
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 24, 2012, at 3:03 PM, Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Happy Holidays List!
> I tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH
> parts, but one had to also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake
made
> at P-P & I tried to fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to
be
> told that the problem was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER
> resolved & I've haven't dealt with either of them again.
>
> I'm not going to
> get into who gets what % on selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if
a
> mistake can't be solved after talking to a person, then I really can't
trust
> that person/system. This is why I love this list, because if you have a
> problem, then you can (98% of the time solve it, of course off line). I've
> NEVER had a problem with ALL the people on this list. In fact, it's just
the
> opposite. I'll get the part before I have even gotten a chance to write out
> the cheque (I NEVER write out a cheque until I know the money is in that
> checking account to cover the cheque.). this may take a couple of days &
> that's why I may receive the item before I get a chance to send the cheque.
In
> fact, I'll go as far as saying that I'll trust this list more than some of
my
> 'family members'. I consider this list as a VERY Close Family.
>
> I am in the
> process of GREATLY down sizing my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items.
so
> to you lookers out there, contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy
> Holidays to you & your love ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)!
> -Cosmo Kramer
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Dec 24 08:45:23 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 09:45:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing  tonight
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Saw that a couple of day ago.  I'm sure it's nice but at
48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood.  Would love to have it on
some of the really fun track in the US.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 11:04 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight

Anybody following this one?  A pretty well known car in the UK many years
ago, I understand.  Interesting look.  Closes later tonight.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-RACE-/300833631353?clk_rvr_id=42985775
9544

Don

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From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Dec 25 08:50:17 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:50:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing   tonight
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight
> Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at
> 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it
> on
> some of the really fun track in the US.
> Bill

Really fun track? B I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point West
Virginia.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Dec 25 10:40:31 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (WBEECH)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 11:40:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing   tonight
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I had VIR in mind but I'm sure there are many others.
Sent from mobile Bill

On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:50 AM, pethier at comcast.net wrote:



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight
> Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at
> 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it
> on
> some of the really fun track in the US.
> Bill

Really fun track?  I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point West
Virginia.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
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http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 11:06:21 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 10:06:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
In-Reply-To: <B15FB3FA27174480962C5ACA572529C4@PhiSchLSpare101>
References: <CAPK7CFDVVh8F83yxewSHkR9SVFAtFYVn1wrQLmHeeAUJuxqZNQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<071A7299D012408DB3D710B7F07A2EFA@PhiSchLSpare101>
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fantastic stuff
just opened the Christmas presents. huge Union and st George
flags.
great british day.
merry Christmas guys
 
________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To:
Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 1:08
PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


So, here is what Earls
Court means to me:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxz4aPoudv8
 
Mike


From:
Frank Fisher 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:57 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don
Hiscock 
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

add to the boat
thing, that i can get sea sick on a pond and you get more idea of why they
didn't come up in my dreams
 
and how funny is it that i appreciate the
Tattoo's now more than i did when i lived there. not that i didn't appreciate
them back then. but maybe more now that i see so few.
________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To:
Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


 
Boats were only in my
dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and ultimately owned several 
They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two happiest days of a
boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.

And, I
should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo.  My
addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time I
wrote my note.
 
Mike

From: Frank Fisher 
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012
11:41 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs 
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls
Court demolition planned

never did the boat show.
could not afford any of
those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even in my dreams
________________________________
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To:
Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

Dolly birds?  You're a child
of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat
show and the annual 
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun
contest.  My dad would yell 
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey
(Portsmouth) looked like they would 
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher"
<yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don
Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs" 
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the
world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and
then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
>
and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
>
<don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent:
Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition
planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where
most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is
working to
> save the
> venue.
>
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
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From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Dec 25 11:56:39 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 18:56:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing   tonight
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There is a motorsports park in Arlington Texas, but I have not been there.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "WBEECH" <wbeech at flash.net>
> To: pethier at comcast.net
> Cc: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 11:40:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing tonight
> I had VIR in mind but I'm sure there are many others.
> Sent from mobile Bill
> 
> On Dec 25, 2012, at 9:50 AM, pethier at comcast.net wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
> > To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:45:23 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TR] Interesting sidescreen TR racer on eBay closing
> > tonight
> > Saw that a couple of day ago. I'm sure it's nice but at
> > 48kGBP/58kEUR/77kUSD it too rich for my blood. Would love to have it
> > on
> > some of the really fun track in the US.
> > Bill
> 
> Really fun track? I recommend the Shenandoah Circuit at Summit Point
> West Virginia.
> 
> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
> pethier at comcast.net
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Dec 25 12:31:37 2012
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 14:31:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Boot hinge - bah humbug
Message-ID: <00b101cde2d6$7642cb20$62c86160$@uprichard.net>

Merry Christmas.

 

I recently acquired two TR3s which came with a box of new stuff - presumably
bought for a restoration which never happened.  Since I was finishing off a
small mouth restoration I was delighted to find three new boot hinges, shiny
chrome, never used.  Murphy's law now applies.

 

Don't ask me how, but all three are driver's side !  Does anyone out there
have an odd passenger side boot hinge?  All I ask it that it is new or in
great shape to match the others.  I'd be happy to trade both the superfluous
driver's sides, or pay directly.  

 

Here's hoping.

 

Andrew Uprichard

From glemon at neb.rr.com  Mon Dec 24 09:06:59 2012
From: glemon at neb.rr.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 10:06:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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I really don't totally understand what Ebay is doing, it used to be a great 
place to get used parts you couldn't get anywhere else, with the bulk of the 
sellers people like us, listers and hobbyists who had parts cars, etc.

They have really decided to try to appeal to the mass marketer as sellers, 
retailers and other big players, someone once stated it as they were trying 
to compete with Amazon.

It used to be easy to do an occasional sale on Ebay, but then you had to 
have Paypal, then you had to have Paypal linked to your Ebay account. etc.

I agree that the E bay deals, both on new and used parts are few and far 
between, and between paypal and Ebay fees it takes a big cut out of your 
selling.

When it started out I felt it really was a "community" of like minded people 
trading in what interested them, not so much anymore.

Greg Lemon

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Dec 25 14:15:45 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:15:45 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Ebay_vs=2E_mail_order_TR_part_prices?=
Message-ID: <mailman.22.1356470263.1934.triumphs@autox.team.net>

EBay is just another hack outfit squeezing every penny out of both buyer and seller.

My favorites are the ads:  eight foot windsplitter with solar cells   (fits:Tr4)
Half the stuff on eBay is crap from China.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Greg Lemon" <glemon at neb.rr.com>
To: "Jody Kerr" <jodyfkerr at gmail.com>, "Wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
Date: Mon, Dec 24, 2012 10:06


I really don't totally understand what Ebay is doing, it used to be a great place to get used parts you couldn't get anywhere else, with the bulk of the sellers people like us, listers and hobbyists who had parts cars, etc.

They have really decided to try to appeal to the mass marketer as sellers, retailers and other big players, someone once stated it as they were trying to compete with Amazon.

It used to be easy to do an occasional sale on Ebay, but then you had to have Paypal, then you had to have Paypal linked to your Ebay account. etc.

I agree that the E bay deals, both on new and used parts are few and far between, and between paypal and Ebay fees it takes a big cut out of your selling.

When it started out I felt it really was a "community" of like minded people trading in what interested them, not so much anymore.

Greg Lemon

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Dec 25 14:46:42 2012
From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 15:46:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] subject now tracks
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actually, it is just west of Fort Worth http://www.motorsportranch.com/  in 
a town called cresson.

according to the owner, it was the first of its kind, and he was heavily 
discouraged by almost everyone.  obviously, it was a very good idea; he has 
expanded tremendously and there are track clubs all over the country.

itbs a nice course; I've driven it at a club event.

"There is a motorsports park in Arlington Texas, but I have not been there."

From mmarr at notwires.com  Tue Dec 25 16:44:51 2012
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 17:44:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] [Spam] Re:  Earls Court demolition planned
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Merry Christmas to all!


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 12:06 PM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs List
Subject: [Spam] Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


fantastic stuff
just opened the Christmas presents. huge Union and st George flags.
great british day.
merry Christmas guys



From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned



So, here is what Earls Court means to me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxz4aPoudv8

Mike


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 10:57 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


add to the boat thing, that i can get sea sick on a pond and you get more idea
of why they didn't come up in my dreams

and how funny is it that i appreciate the Tattoo's now more than i did when i
lived there. not that i didn't appreciate them back then. but maybe more now
that i see so few.


From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned




Boats were only in my dreams too, Frank, until I came to the States and
ultimately owned several  They say that, rather like owning a Jag, the two
happiest days of a boat-owners life are the day he buys it and the day he
sells it.

And, I should have said the Royal Tournament, rather than the military tattoo.
My addled 63 year old brain couldn't come up with the correct name at the time
I wrote my note.

Mike


From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:41 AM
To: Michael Marr ; Don Hiscock ; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


never did the boat show.
could not afford any of those cars they where showing, so a boat was not even
in my dreams


From: Michael Marr <mmarr at notwires.com>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>;
Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned


Dolly birds?  You're a child of the 60s, Frank!

Personally, my best memories of Earls Court was the boat show and the annual
military tattoo, especially the Navy's field gun contest.  My dad would yell
himself hoarse if the lads from Pompey (Portsmouth) looked like they would
beat the Devonport barracks.

Mike

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Fisher" <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:03 AM
To: "Don Hiscock" <don.hiscock at gmail.com>; "Triumphs"
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned

> good grief
> whats the world coming to?
> i used to take the train from liverpool
> to london and then the tube.
> there was always a bunch of guys going for a fun
> weekend.
> and yest the dolly birds where always so sexy
>
>
> From: Don Hiscock
> <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Friday,
> December 21, 2012 5:21 AM
> Subject: [TR] Earls Court demolition planned
>
> The
> traditional home of the British Motor Show, the site where most of our
> cars
> were premiered, is planned to be torn down.  A group is working to
> save the
> venue.
>
http://www.classicandsportscar.com/news/general-classic-car-news/enthusiasts-
> campaign-to-save-earls-court-from-the-wrecking-ball
>
>
> Don
>
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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 17:18:02 2012
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:18:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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It was a pretty useful venue when it first came out but it has steadily
deteriorated to the point that I hardly ever use it.  Their fees have become
outrageous.  I sold a purse for my daughter last month....fees (including
paypal) were over $30.
 
I have been seriously burned twice by their buyer
protection "services".....will never trust them again.
 
I am also really
annoyed by all the "tagged" ads.  Honestly......$795.00 ABS hubcaps to fit a
Triumph Herald????
 
Chad in Tulsa.
 
   

________________________________
From: Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net"
<triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject:
[TR] Subject: Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
  
Happy Holidays List!
I
tried getting on E-bay to sell LOTS of my spare TRIUMPH
parts, but one had to
also join Pay-pall (P-P). Well there was a mistake made
at P-P & I tried to
fix it. I was even able to 'Talk to a REAL person' to be
told that the problem
was resolved. Long story short, the problem was NEVER
resolved & I've haven't
dealt with either of them again.

I'm not going to
get into who gets what % on
selling. money exchange, or shipping. I feel if a
mistake can't be solved
after talking to a person, then I really can't trust
that person/system. This
is why I love this list, because if you have a
problem, then you can (98% of
the time solve it, of course off line). I've
NEVER had a problem with ALL the
people on this list. In fact, it's just the
opposite. I'll get the part before
I have even gotten a chance to write out
the cheque (I NEVER write out a
cheque until I know the money is in that
checking account to cover the
cheque.). this may take a couple of days &
that's why I may receive the item
before I get a chance to send the cheque. In
fact, I'll go as far as saying
that I'll trust this list more than some of my
'family members'. I consider
this list as a VERY Close Family. 

I am in the
process of GREATLY down sizing
my belonging & 65% of that is TRIUMPH items. so
to you lookers out there,
contact me off list. The rest of you all, Happy
Holidays to you & your love
ones (weather its a person or your TRIUMPH)!
-Cosmo Kramer

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 25 17:35:44 2012
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 16:35:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
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I would really like to find a venue that was like the original ebay.  Keep in
mind I've been on there since 97 or 98 so I've watched it decay for quite a
while.
 
Chad in Tulsa
 

________________________________
 From: Jody Kerr
<jodyfkerr at gmail.com>
To: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> 
Cc:
triumphs at autox.team.net 
Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re:
[TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
  
To a certain extent Ebay  has
caused it's own mess.

I believe the final straw was when Ebay started
charging the seller
based on on the price of the product AND shipping. Taking
9% of the
selling cost is one thing, but taking 9% of the shipping as well
means
that many folks just lost money trying to sell there. But that's what
happens when there's no competition in the marketplace.

Jody

On Mon, Dec 24,
2012 at 8:36 AM, Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> Dave,
> Agree, eBay is
just another mall of for-profit businesses, be they stores or
> individuals. 
Last great deal I got was a Tropical Fan for $25 about a two
> years ago,
before that I found a period-correct generator for $0.99 +
> $20S&H.
>
> BUT,
we keep looking, as at any 2nd-hand store, in hopes of finding that odd
>
treasure that has somehow been overlooked by others.  One of my eBay tricks
>
is to mis-spell what I am looking for, you never know.
>
> Merry Christmas to
all and a very Triumph-ant New Year.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
> Sent:
Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject:
[TR] Ebay vs. mail order TR part prices
>
> First of all, Merry Christmas
everyone!
> I was just scanning through the TR4A section of Ebay this morning
after
> looking at the TR2 racer for 48,000 pounds.. Yikes!!
> It's been
awhile since I looked through the TR4A items on Ebay  and was
> really
suprised at the prices. I can remember a year or two ago, you could
> get some
really good deals on parts but now, I really don't see the
> advantage of
buying replacement parts on Ebay. Maybe on NOS for good useable
> parts
stripped from cars but not anything that  I could buy from Moss or
> TRF. Kind
of dissapointing..
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
>
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Dec 26 07:32:41 2012
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 09:32:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment
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Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or
trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds
though and I have had pretty good luck  using it.
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From pethier at comcast.net  Wed Dec 26 09:19:49 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:19:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
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TR3's at London Airport

http://www.flickr.com/photos/austin7nut/8311219968/in/photostream/

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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http://www.mntriumphs.org

From pethier at comcast.net  Wed Dec 26 13:16:10 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 20:16:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
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I am told by someone who did not post to the list that:
===========
The photo is taken from the October 1957 Road and Track coverage of  
the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same photo smaller appears in the  
SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 also with extensive  
coverage on the event.
===========


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Dec 26 13:48:40 2012
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:48:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
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Message-ID: <20121226204840.BFA0B.29821.root@hrndva-web19-z02>

Wow, R&T is good but could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would run the 1967 Rally?
---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: 
> I am told by someone who did not post to the list that:
> ===========
> The photo is taken from the October 1957 Road and Track coverage of  
> the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same photo smaller appears in the  
> SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957 also with extensive  
> coverage on the event.
> ===========

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 26 14:42:30 2012
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:42:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
In-Reply-To: <20121226204840.BFA0B.29821.root@hrndva-web19-z02>
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i have a  DVD entitled "Triumphs across America".
footage  shows video of a
group of Americans who purchased their cars and then flew to the UK to take
some possession. possession was taken at the airport.
after collecting their
cars they where treated to a lunch at Sir Johns estate and then on to other
festivities and tours. when the tours where over the factory shipped their
cars to the US for final possession.
the photo shown looks very much like the
footage i see in the video.
i cant zoom and tell but if anyone can see if they
are left hand driver, then it would probably be the same event.
if its
important to any one ill watch the video again soon and get the exact date.
Frank

From: "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To:
triumphs at autox.team.net; pethier at comcast.net 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26,
2012 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport

Wow, R&T is good but
could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would run the
1967 Rally?
---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: 
> I am told by someone who did
not post to the list that:
> ===========
> The photo is taken from the October
1957 Road and Track coverage of  
> the 1967 Triumph Rally of Europe .. Same
photo smaller appears in the  
> SCCA newsletter "Sports Car" July Aug 1957
also with extensive  
> coverage on the event.
> ===========

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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Dec 26 14:59:08 2012
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:59:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
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The cars photographed at Heathrow are all part of the consignment for the 1957
event and identified as such by their special tax-free licence plates.
There
were a number of tours of this type undertaken by visiting US citizens ( a
total of four, I think) but they were abandoned in the late 1950's. Mainly,
this was because they required a phenomenal amount of organisation and
although the car users met many of the costs themselves, there were many
additional costs met by the company. These events were sponsored by and run by
the company, so it wasn't just a question of handing over the cars and sending
their owners off into the wide blue yonder. These events were essentially PR
exercises (Jaguar, Sunbeam, MG and AH did them too) and at the end of it all,
the manufacturers all agreed they could no longer afford to justify running
them. As far as this related to Standard-Triumph, the two following years ('58
and '59) were financial disasters so these trips were abandoned purely on cost
grounds. Two years later, with Leyland Motors running the show and imposing
many draconian (but necessary) cost
 controls, the idea died for ever.

Jonmac
 
________________________________
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: "jerryvv at roadrunner.com"
<jerryvv at roadrunner.com>; "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>;
"pethier at comcast.net" <pethier at comcast.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, 26 December
2012, 21:42
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport


>i have a  DVD
entitled "Triumphs across America".
>footage  shows video of a
>group of
Americans who purchased their cars and then flew to the UK to take
>some
possession. possession was taken at the airport.
>after collecting their
>cars
they where treated to a lunch at Sir Johns estate and then on to other
>festivities and tours. when the tours where over the factory shipped their
>cars to the US for final possession.
>the photo shown looks very much like
the
>footage i see in the video.
>i cant zoom and tell but if anyone can see
if they
>are left hand driver, then it would probably be the same event.
>if
its
>important to any one ill watch the video again soon and get the exact
date.
>Frank
>
>From: "jerryvv at roadrunner.com" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
>To:
>triumphs at autox.team.net; pethier at comcast.net 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 26,
>2012 12:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [TR] TR3's at London Airport
>
>Wow, R&T is good
but
>could they really project 10 years ahead that all of those TR3's would
run the
>1967 Rally?
>---- pethier at comcast.net wrote: 
>> I am told by someone
who did
>not post to the list that:
>> ===========
>> The photo is taken from
the October
>1957 Road and Track coverage of  
>> the 1967 Triumph Rally of
Europe .. Same
>photo smaller appears in the  
>> SCCA newsletter "Sports Car"
July Aug 1957
>also with extensive  
>> coverage on the event.
>> ===========
>
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Dec 26 15:17:07 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 16:17:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment
Message-ID: <23151774.786025.1356560227106.JavaMail.root@vms170029>

there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB.  Or at least there used to be.
Carl
 


On 12/26/12, Dave Connitt wrote:

Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or
trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds
though and I have had pretty good luck using it.
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Dec 26 17:09:17 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:09:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment
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It is not a website but a list similar to this one. click on the linkc at the bottom of this page
> Unsubscribe/Manage: xxxx
and it will take you to the manage page.  At the bottom of that page (you don't need to log in) there is a link to view a list of all lists.  
 
Unfortunately the autojumble list is relatively dormant - but maybe this thread will give it a "quick kick"
It also reminds me that I have a bunch of excess parts from my project sitting in boxes..  

C
 

On 12/26/12, Lawrence Schwartz wrote:

Do you remember the website? Larry

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 26, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Carl TR <cfmtr3a at verizon.net> wrote:

> there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB. Or at least there used to be.
> Carl
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/26/12, Dave Connitt wrote:
> 
> Well, it looks like Ebay is not going to be the first choice for selling or
> trading Triumph parts like it used to be. We still have the VTR classifieds
> though and I have had pretty good luck using it.
> Dave Connitt
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 26 18:38:06 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:38:06 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment
In-Reply-To: <23151774.786025.1356560227106.JavaMail.root@vms170029>
Message-ID: <D8.C5.29976.876ABD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> there is also an 'autojumble' list maintained by MJB.  Or at 
> least there used to be.

Evidence would seem to indicate that it doesn't work, at least at the
moment.  However I'm certain MJB would resuscitate it, if someone were to
try using it.  I think I've only seen one posting in the past 3 or 4 years,
which hardly makes it worth keeping on life support.

-- Randall 

From JGILLIS at tcd.ie  Thu Dec 27 09:39:09 2012
From: JGILLIS at tcd.ie (John Gillis)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:39:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
Message-ID: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>

Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting flat
spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel
slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very
annoying symptom?
Happy holidays to all
John
1954 TR2


John Gillis
Senior Conservator

From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Dec 27 09:54:08 2012
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:54:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
In-Reply-To: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
References: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
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Hi John,

Could be a lack of flow in the fuel system (clogged filter, failing pump, etc).   Check the fluif in your carb dashpots, too.

Another possibility is the timing is too retarded.

-Darrell

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From rgt2 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 27 09:57:26 2012
From: rgt2 at sbcglobal.net (rod Trunnell)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 08:57:26 -0800
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
In-Reply-To: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
References: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
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I have experienced the same thing with water contaminated fuel.

Rod


On Dec 27, 2012, at 8:39 AM, John Gillis <JGILLIS at tcd.ie> wrote:

> Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting
flat
> spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel
> slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this,
very
> annoying symptom?
> Happy holidays to all
> John
> 1954 TR2
>
>
> John Gillis
> Senior Conservator

From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Dec 27 09:57:46 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:57:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
In-Reply-To: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
References: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <98D816905D3E40DABC936F8288310485@bboffice>

First thing I would look at would be the oil in the carb dashpots.  If there
is none, it will allow the needle to lift too rapidly and cause an
unnecessarily rich mixture, and your described 'flat spots'.

Second, with a timing light, be sure the advance it advancing and retracting
the spark timing.

Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR3A TS/30766L "Tarbaby"
'62 TR3B TCF/2549L " Aunt B" (in rehab)
www.triumphowners.com/1566
'68 Land Rover Series IIa 88" "The Beast"
"If you think you have everything under control... You're driving too slow"
M.Andretti


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Gillis
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:39 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?

Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting
flat spots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed
fuel slowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for
this, very annoying symptom?
Happy holidays to all
John
1954 TR2


John Gillis
Senior Conservator

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From tr250driver at aol.com  Thu Dec 27 14:00:38 2012
From: tr250driver at aol.com (Darrell Floyd)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:00:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
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John,
How fresh is the fuel?  I took my TR8 out of storage a few months ago and it
would only do 40 MPH up a slight grade on the way to the gas station.  Once I
was able to top off the tank with 6 gals of fresh fuel it ran normally.  They
tell me all the fuel now days is crap and only lasts a few months.
Darrell



-----Original Message-----
From: John Gillis <JGILLIS at tcd.ie>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 11:45 am
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?


Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting
flat
pots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel
lowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very
nnoying symptom?
appy holidays to all
ohn
954 TR2

ohn Gillis
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Dec 27 10:42:20 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:42:20 -0800
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
In-Reply-To: <F3ADC4F5824AE54A8F71B0D3D55F91FB034A2CE5698A@GOMAIL.college.tcd.ie>
Message-ID: <FD.02.04255.5788CD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but 
> I am getting flat spots in all gears when I push the go 
> pedal, if I back off and feed fuel slowly it picks up and 
> drives fine. 

If you hold it down, does it eventually pick up and run?  If so, I would
first look at dashpots.  If they are full, consider using something thicker
for damping oil.  Eg, if you have been using ATF, switch to 30 weight motor
oil.  A turkey baster with a length of hose slipped on the end will do for
sucking out the old oil without removing the dome.

If it won't pick up and run with constant throttle, then most likely it is
fuel delivery being restricted somehow.  If you have added a paper element
fuel filter, change (or remove) it.  Check the screen above the sediment
bowl.  To check the fuel pump and lines, pull a wire off the coil,
disconnect the feed line from the front carb and direct it into a container
(a quart canning jar works well).  Crank the engine with the solenoid button
and watch the fuel delivery.  You should see a strong spurt every other
revolution; if it just kind of dribbles out then there is a restriction
somewhere.

Could be weak ignition (acceleration requires more spark voltage to fire the
plugs), but I'd look at fuel first.

-- Randall 

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Dec 26 22:55:57 2012
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:55:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ebay vs. Triumph parts comment
In-Reply-To: <D8.C5.29976.876ABD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6B.95.29976.7E2EBD05@cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com>

> Evidence would seem to indicate that it doesn't work, at 
> least at the moment.

Never mind, my mistake.  It did show up, eventually.

Mark, my thanks again for all the work you do (and have done all these
years).  Guess it's time for another donation!

-- Randall 

From spook01 at comcast.net  Thu Dec 27 15:42:18 2012
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:42:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Flat_spots=3F?=
Message-ID: <mailman.26.1356648265.1934.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Ethanol.  Food doesn't burn as well as gasoline.
But its a great sop for vote buying!

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Darrell Floyd" <tr250driver at aol.com>
To: <JGILLIS at tcd.ie>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?
Date: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 15:00


John,
How fresh is the fuel?  I took my TR8 out of storage a few months ago and it
would only do 40 MPH up a slight grade on the way to the gas station.  Once I
was able to top off the tank with 6 gals of fresh fuel it ran normally.  They
tell me all the fuel now days is crap and only lasts a few months.
Darrell



-----Original Message-----
From: John Gillis <JGILLIS at tcd.ie>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 27, 2012 11:45 am
Subject: [TR] Flat spots?


Christmas drive in the TR2, 6C, dry engine fully warmed, but I am getting
flat
pots in all gears when I push the go pedal, if I back off and feed fuel
lowly it picks up and drives fine. What are the usual suspects for this, very
nnoying symptom?
appy holidays to all
ohn
954 TR2

ohn Gillis
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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Sat Dec 29 14:59:47 2012
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:59:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
Message-ID: <663705BA-6872-4C63-8E8D-9A099614271A@cox.net>

Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a
bad mis.

From jodyfkerr at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 15:07:06 2012
From: jodyfkerr at gmail.com (Jody Kerr)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:07:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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Three most common sources I've seen for this:

1) fuel filter
2) timing
3) clogged fuel bowl.

On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 2:59 PM, Ronnie Babbitt <rbtr3a at cox.net> wrote:
> Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with a
> bad mis.
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Dec 29 15:15:43 2012
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:15:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line?  Or, is 3k the top RPM?

IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they
are clean and spot on.  Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil.  IF
the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow,
weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start.

Enjoy your weekend,
Bill

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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM
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Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k

Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with
a bad mis.

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 17:36:28 2012
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:36:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the carb diaphragms. 
Jim Henningsen
62 TR4
75 TR6
Ocala, FL

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Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:16 PM
To: 'Ronnie Babbitt'; 'Triumphs'
Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k

Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line?  Or, is 3k the top RPM?

IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they
are clean and spot on.  Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil.  IF
the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow,
weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start.

Enjoy your weekend,
Bill

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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt
Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM
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Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k

Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up with
a bad mis.

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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Sat Dec 29 17:41:58 2012
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 19:41:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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Jim it's an SU carb

Ronnie

On Dec 29, 2012, at 7:36 PM, "James Henningsen" <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a similar problem and it turned out to be the carb diaphragms.
> Jim Henningsen
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> Ocala, FL
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 5:16 PM
> To: 'Ronnie Babbitt'; 'Triumphs'
> Subject: Re: [TR] Mis at 3k
>
> Can you run on up past 3k smoothly to red line?  Or, is 3k the top RPM?
>
> IF the former, I would look first at the points and timing to be sure they
> are clean and spot on.  Then on to the condenser, plug wires and coil.  IF
> the later, probably not if you went 150mi, I would look first at fuel flow,
> weak pump, clogged filter, float bowl valves are good places to start.
>
> Enjoy your weekend,
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
>
> Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up
with
> a bad mis.
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 18:22:22 2012
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 18:22:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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In my experience a high speed miss tends to be plugs or high tension
wires.  Points issues tend to show up as lower speed miss.

Though "breaking up with a bad miss' sound more like a personal problem.

Geo


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
>
> Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up
with
> a bad mis.

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 09:24:22 2012
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 11:24:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
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My brain stopped working due to too much egg nog when I posted that the
diaphragms on my strombergs caused similar issue.  Just one problem, there are
no diaphragms on the su carbs. I did know that. Honest :)
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, Fl

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On Dec 29, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> In my experience a high speed miss tends to be plugs or high tension
> wires.  Points issues tend to show up as lower speed miss.
>
> Though "breaking up with a bad miss' sound more like a personal problem.
>
> Geo
>
>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ronnie Babbitt
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 4:00 PM
>> To: Triumphs
>> Subject: [TR] Mis at 3k
>>
>> Just went on a 150 mile drive in my 3a.  At 3k rpm's it was breaking up
> with
>> a bad mis.
>
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From ebuzzmiller at comcast.net  Sun Dec 30 19:50:50 2012
From: ebuzzmiller at comcast.net (Eric Miller)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 18:50:50 -0800
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
Message-ID: <50E0FD8A.4020303@comcast.net>

Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks. 
Pretty boring, but I thought I would share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M

-Eric
65 TR4A

From pethier at comcast.net  Sun Dec 30 20:31:53 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 03:31:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
In-Reply-To: <50E0FD8A.4020303@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1144471405.556681.1356924713699.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Lawnmower outside in winter? B You have a different definition of "winter"
there...

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Miller" <ebuzzmiller at comcast.net>
> To: "triumph" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:50:50 PM
> Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
> Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks.
> Pretty boring, but I thought I would share.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M

From ebuzzmiller at comcast.net  Sun Dec 30 20:57:59 2012
From: ebuzzmiller at comcast.net (Eric Miller)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 19:57:59 -0800
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
In-Reply-To: <1144471405.556681.1356924713699.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1144471405.556681.1356924713699.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <50E10D47.5080301@comcast.net>

Ha!  Yea, lawnmower is stored behind the TR in the garage, so I had to 
put it somewhere while I exercised the Triumph.  It was about 42 this 
afternoon here in Portland, OR.

-Eric

On 12/30/2012 7:31 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote:
> Lawnmower outside in winter?  You have a different definition of "winter" there...
>
> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
> pethier at comcast.net
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
> http://www.mnautox.com
> http://www.mntriumphs.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eric Miller" <ebuzzmiller at comcast.net>
>> To: "triumph" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2012 8:50:50 PM
>> Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
>> Attached the GoPro to the surrey top of my 4A to see how it looks.
>> Pretty boring, but I thought I would share.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M

From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Dec 31 07:50:04 2012
From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 14:50:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
In-Reply-To: <50E10D47.5080301@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2097544811.1798754.1356965404489.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

>Ha!  Yea, lawnmower is stored behind the TR in the garage, so I had to 
>put it somewhere while I exercised the Triumph.  It was about 42 this 
>afternoon here in Portland, OR.

9 degrees in New Hampshire this morning.  12 inches of snow on the ground from two storms since Christmas.  TR3A is in the waiting for the winter attention:  sand and refinish the wood steering wheel, pack the wheel bearings, grease all lube points, replace the drip tube from the battery, finish putting the rubber door seals on, adjust the handbrake, change the oil engine and transmission, put the starter button back on, and try to figure out where the latest oil leak is coming from.

Have a wood stove in the garage this year on the odd chance it might make things more comfortable.  Thoughts?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667
New Hampshire

From pethier at comcast.net  Mon Dec 31 08:44:37 2012
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:44:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
In-Reply-To: <2097544811.1798754.1356965404489.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <30170509.559251.1356968677295.JavaMail.root@sz0220a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

> Have a wood stove in the garage this year on the odd chance it might
> make things more comfortable. Thoughts?

Illegal where I live.  I have a nice Empire through-the-wall natural-gas furnace.  Keep it 50 in the shop all winter long.  Doesn't seem to cost much to run since the shop section of the garage/shop building is insulated.  The Triumph and the Lotus seem to like it.  The Saturn and the Chevy are salt-coated and freezing.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier at comcast.net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.flickr.com/groups/triumphtransamerica
http://www.mnautox.com
http://www.mntriumphs.org

From Chip19474 at aol.com  Mon Dec 31 11:48:48 2012
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 13:48:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Went for a drive today
Message-ID: <1cba9.75211a71.3e133810@aol.com>

Eric,
 
Looks good....you gotta love winter drives - thanks for sharing.....a  
little too much salt on the roads here for a drive but I'll be out  soon:)
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA 
1962 TR4  CT2052L
 
 
In a message dated 12/30/2012 9:51:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
ebuzzmiller at comcast.net writes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5oQPwuG_M

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Mon Dec 31 20:34:48 2012
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:34:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [TR] Happy New Yeart
Message-ID: <20945694.1056850.1357011288929.JavaMail.root@vznit170130>

We are heading to bed as we have a 400 mile trip tomorrow to get back home.  
 
I would like to wish all of you a very happy and triumphant new year.   I know I am looking forward to 2013 and getting the '3 back on the road.  
 
Carl
1961 TR3A - TS81802LO
Florida