From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct  1 03:49:42 2011
From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:49:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] greenish oil now ZDDP, dripping chambers
In-Reply-To: <04b501cc7fe6$6fde7f80$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <4BE1F4675A8C416495E8697DE6BE9E25@DELL05639>
	<1317379364.49898.YahooMailNeo@web28310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<04b501cc7fe6$6fde7f80$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <1317462582.61746.YahooMailNeo@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi, Randall
 
Your guess is as good as mine but the evidence is available for
all to see in some pictures I took of our findings in Colorado. These are now
in "Turn Left at the Pacific" - the book I've written about the whole event.
Within the next day or so, I'll be making an announcement on the lists as to
its availability and how to order a copy.
It's a big one - 316 pages, lots of
colour pix and the whole story in which the key players who developed and
executed the event have all had their say. If anyone on the list wants to know
more, send me an email off-list and I'll send a separate .pdf file with all
the details.
 
Cheers, Jonmac

>________________________________
>From:
Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Sent: Saturday, 1
October 2011, 4:01
>Subject: Re: [TR] greenish oil now ZDDP, dripping chambers
>
>> From
>> the start in Florida until we reached about the near halfway
point in
>> Tennessee, the car was running Valvoline 20W/50 with added 
>>
ZDDP. At the next
>> change, I was recommended to switch to Valvoline VR1
Racing 
>> 40. On reaching
>> Colorado, where we did an equivalent 10,000 mile
service, the 
>> cam chambers and
>> oil filter were full of an odious black
sludge.
>
>That's curious, John, I wonder what happened.  I have covered many
thousands
>of miles with both 20W50 and straight 40 VR1, and never seen
anything like
>you describe.  The oil itself would eventually turn dark, but
the inside of
>the engine would be very clean.
>
>I have to think that the
ZDDP additive was at least partially to blame.
>
>-- Randall  
>
>
>triumphs at autox.team.net
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From tswhitez123 at hotmail.com  Sat Oct  1 10:09:44 2011
From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 16:09:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] test
Message-ID: <BLU162-W50391377FB61143D2DC2C9E5F40@phx.gbl>

Best regards,
Tom

From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Oct  1 12:52:42 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2011 12:52:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] test
In-Reply-To: <BLU162-W50391377FB61143D2DC2C9E5F40@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU162-W50391377FB61143D2DC2C9E5F40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4E87617A.6060104@bradakis.com>

You passed the test.

There are some serious delay issues on the old server, messages
are taking WAY too long to get through the system.  I'm looking
into it.

mjb.

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct  1 14:07:08 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 13:07:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] greenish oil now ZDDP, dripping chambers
In-Reply-To: <1317462582.61746.YahooMailNeo@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <4BE1F4675A8C416495E8697DE6BE9E25@DELL05639>
	<1317379364.49898.YahooMailNeo@web28310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
	<04b501cc7fe6$6fde7f80$0301a8c0@randall>
	<1317462582.61746.YahooMailNeo@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <055201cc8075$b3235d30$0301a8c0@randall>

> but the evidence is available for all to see

No need for evidence, John, I don't doubt that you are correct.  I am just
puzzled because I have been using Valvoline products ever since I was a
teenager, and I have never seen anything like what you saw.

-- Randall  

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Oct  1 15:13:12 2011
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 17:13:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] Switch rebuilding
Message-ID: <28554AEB82E54AB9BA81E7420C8A1109@DCH6RFC1>

Like many 250 / early 6 owners, I am left with pieces of an original hazard
switch (2 switches, actually).  Does anyone know of a business which will
rebuild the switch for me? I don't want to pay $180 for a replacement.

 

Andrew Uprichard

From tswhitez123 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 10:15:42 2011
From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 16:15:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Janis solved.
Message-ID: <BLU162-W5000503FC6934CFF382209E5F50@phx.gbl>

Thanks to one of our members I have solved the problem of distributing the
Janis file.  Pete Pollock directed me to fileswap.com.  Fileswap.com is the
easiest, most user friendly, no account necessary, no try now buy later, no
hoops at all web site I have ever encountered on the internet.  Now lets all
hope it works as advertised.

The Janis Live zip file may be downloaded from the following link:

http://bit.ly/rqMc03

No smoking in the Boys Room allowed.

Best regards,

Tom

From mjb at autox.team.net  Sun Oct  2 11:55:39 2011
From: mjb at autox.team.net (Mark J. Bradakis)
Date: Sun,  2 Oct 2011 11:55:39 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TR] List issues
Message-ID: <20111002175539.BB8AE1878AD@autox.team.net>

Not only is the Team.Net server taking a loooong time to get
list messages processed, the archives [ link below ] are not
getting updated properly.

In truth the messages are getting processed and put in the right
place, but for some reason the top level archive page is not showing
the updates.

And of course the mailman interface is having problems, giving
errors on various functions.

Something odd is going on, I'm looking into it.  I *really* need
to get the new server up and running!


mjb.


11:54

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  2 19:46:30 2011
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Cosm's TR4-A E-mial Repair Manual
Message-ID: <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo@web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List!
I've been working on compiling any list E-mail thread for the past
several yr. (about 14) that related to the TR4 &/or TR4A. I was sending it out
to people who had these cars on a CD with other info. on the CD that might be
of interest, but that got expensive for me. 
 
I have tried to contact the VTR
web master with no luck in even getting my E-mails sent to him. I placed a
thread to the list about making contact to him in another way with no replies.
I tried contacting Blake D. by E-mail, but no reply again. I don't know if my
E-mail has reached him because in the past, many different severs reject my
E-mails thinking that it is another piece of Spam (because of my E-mail
address).
 
In any case, I have now put this into a PFD format with over 3,000
pages (some have pictures also). I would like any one, (preferably TR4/A
owners) that are interested in receiving it, to E-mail me & I shall send it
out to them. (Even if you had received the old CD version.)
 
I really wanted
to have it accessible through the VTR web-site, (but can't even send out a
simple E-mail to the web master, bad enough hop that he received it). OR 
If
any one can help me get in contact with him (by telling him to E-mail me
personal, then I could try hitting the 'Reply button' & have this done. OR
Placing  it on some other well connected TRIUMPH web-site (Personnel or
otherwise) then please contact me. 
 
Note: If I don't reply to you right way
(because I'm leaving in one wk. to Fl., to help work at my aunt's place), then
PLEASE try again after 11-1-11, because I'll be then back to my computor.
TIA,
-Cosmo Kramer

From guy at genfiniti.com  Sun Oct  2 20:56:35 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:56:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Ammeter Issue
Message-ID: <6752DF04-2374-4ADC-8276-CA29028574BB@genfiniti.com>

All,

First, I've got about 75 miles on the car since getting it back Thursday.
Sure enjoy driving it.
Took my kids and bride on some rides today, and my bride even enjoyed driving
a bit.

Now for the issue...

I restored the car with Advance Auto Wire's wiring kit (aka Dan Masters wiring
harness) for the TR4A.
I got everything wired up as instructed, and have double-checked everything.
I installed an AC Delco 7127 alternator, but am using the original Ammeter
(rebuilt by Nisonger), with the shunt option that AAW recommends for keeping
the original gauge.

The problem is the Ammeter needle never moves in either direction, and I do
not know how to troubleshoot the gauge.
I want to remove from the dash and test it.  Once I prove it works, I will go
from there.

How does one test an Ammeter outside the car?
If the two wires were improperly placed, would that cause this symptom? (I
would think it would just read the opposite direction.)
I have a ground wire to the body for the bulb.  Would that cause some odd
issue?



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 09:04:31 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 08:04:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cosm's TR4-A E-mial Repair Manual
In-Reply-To: <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo@web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo@web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bET4VMQgwiunXmmcOTYRXATxNxZYZ6R-9iZUrAN90+Anw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... I have now put this into a PFD format with over 3,000
> pages (some have pictures also). I would like any one, (preferably TR4/A
> owners) that are interested in receiving it, to E-mail me & I shall send it
> out to them. (Even if you had received the old CD version.)
>

 A recent post (re Janis Joplin) mentioned this site favorably:

http://www.fileswap.com/overview/

I took a look at it but did not yet sign up so I do not know how much
capacity you get with the standard/free version -- but might be a simpler,
cheaper alternative.

3000 Pages?  Hope it is searchable.

Geo

From tswhitez123 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  3 09:33:36 2011
From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 15:33:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] Janis background.
Message-ID: <BLU162-W108EA288D2BBBBD43D7F63E5FA0@phx.gbl>

To answer the questions I received about the Janis tracks I will tell you what
I know.

I received the tracks from a man on the internet, David Archer.  He has a web
site with some good Janis material on it which is well worth visiting.  He was
a friend of Janis when she was playing the coffee houses in San Francisco c.
1966.  The track are from one of her coffee house sets which David recorded.
The CD he sent notes the year as c.1969.

Best regards,

Tom

From agraham at execulink.com  Mon Oct  3 10:32:23 2011
From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham)
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 12:32:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 windshield mount Dzus
Message-ID: <4E89E397.6070508@execulink.com>

Hello Listers:
Just installed the Dzus fasteners on the hood (engine cover) of the '2 
and worked out well following the instruction sheet from TRF. Moved on 
to the windshield mount Dzus and they are different enough that felt I 
should ask first before I shoot my foot. There is only one Dzus washer 
on the fasteners for the windshield mounts. Do you 'expand' this washer 
once the Dzus fastener is pushed through? Use a socket or similar to 
'flatten' this washer to secure the fastener?
Thanks for any advice from those who have been there.
Angelo Graham

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct  3 11:44:37 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:44:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Ammeter Issue
In-Reply-To: <6752DF04-2374-4ADC-8276-CA29028574BB@genfiniti.com>
References: <6752DF04-2374-4ADC-8276-CA29028574BB@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <077b01cc81f4$1ef02640$0301a8c0@randall>

> with the shunt option that AAW 
> recommends for keeping the original gauge.

That's interesting, I didn't know they copied my idea <G>  What do they
suggest for the shunt?

> How does one test an Ammeter outside the car?

Basically, run some current through it and see if the needle moves.  In your
case, I would probably disconnect the shunt instead, and then verify that
the headlights won't work with the ammeter disconnected.  Then if they do
work with it connected, and the needle still doesn't move, the ammeter is
bad.  Ordinary headlights will draw roughly 10 amps (15 if all the tail &
marker lights are working).

On the bench, you'll need a source of 12v (a typical battery charger will
do) and something to use for a load.  I keep some old headlight bulbs around
for this kind of testing.  (The low beam filament almost always burns out
first, leaving the high beam filament usable for testing.)  One bulb should
draw around 5 amps, or you can parallel two of them for 10 amps.  Some cheap
alligator clip leads from Radio Shack or Harbor Freight will make the
connections easier.

-- Randall  

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct  3 11:56:52 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 10:56:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cosm's TR4-A E-mial Repair Manual
In-Reply-To: <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo@web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo@web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <078201cc81f5$d56c7fd0$0301a8c0@randall>

Cosmo,

It may be that Blake and others are aware of your request, but not certain
what to do about it.  Some of that material is probably copyrighted, and
while you yourself are unlikely to be prosecuted; TRF has to be much more
careful about such matters.

In the meantime, I suggest you create an account on Google Docs and put your
file(s) up there.  Then you could post a link and those interested could
download for themselves.  The account is free and doesn't ask too many nosy
questions.

Here's where you can create an account:
https://accounts.google.com

And here is my modest collection of Triumph documents:
http://tinyurl.com/286jzzu

-- Randall  

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  3 12:25:23 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:25:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 windshield mount Dzus
In-Reply-To: <4E89E397.6070508@execulink.com>
References: <4E89E397.6070508@execulink.com>
Message-ID: <1317666323.24820.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Angelo
had my windshield on and off twice as has my friend Paul.
each time we both suffered the loss of the Dzus fastener. seems the replacements are of lesser than the originals.
i recommend you just push the fastener through the hole and and fasten it in place.
order 4 more for the glove box for next time you take it off.
throw the washers in the parts bin for miscellaneous use some place else.
Frank


________________________________
From: Angelo Graham <agraham at execulink.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 9:32 AM
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 windshield mount Dzus

Hello Listers:
Just installed the Dzus fasteners on the hood (engine cover) of the '2 and worked out well following the instruction sheet from TRF. Moved on to the windshield mount Dzus and they are different enough that felt I should ask first before I shoot my foot. There is only one Dzus washer on the fasteners for the windshield mounts. Do you 'expand' this washer once the Dzus fastener is pushed through? Use a socket or similar to 'flatten' this washer to secure the fastener?
Thanks for any advice from those who have been there.
Angelo Graham


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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Oct  3 12:42:36 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 11:42:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR2/3 windshield mount Dzus
In-Reply-To: <4E89E397.6070508@execulink.com>
References: <4E89E397.6070508@execulink.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEuj0=JcURBUpWHMfeHKf4PKi+EkNOJahPEZUPuOwA7Bg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Angelo Graham <agraham at execulink.com> wrote:
>
> ...Moved on to the windshield mount Dzus and they are different enough that
> felt I should ask first before I shoot my foot...
>
>
>

FWIW -- when I replaced the Dzus on the stanchion I did not secure
the Dzuses (Dzi?) at all, i.e. when undone they can be completely
extracted.  I told myself I was being smart -- not merely lazy.  I find that
it is easier to slide off the windscreen if those fasteners are completely
removed and out of the way, my old ones (even w/the springs) didn't want to
stay clear of the mounting brackets and since I usually mount & dismount the
windscreen solo it works best for me to be sure nothing hangs up on the
opposite side.

Of course there is a risk you'll misplace them but I just put them in a
baggie and stow them  (along with the windscreen wipers) in the wooden box
that is used for stowing the aeroscreen when it is not in use.

Geo

From FordneyNJ at aol.com  Mon Oct  3 22:26:05 2011
From: FordneyNJ at aol.com (FordneyNJ at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 00:26:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Cosm's TR4-A E-mial Repair Manual (Cosmo Kramer)
Message-ID: <261e.5a49b093.3bbbe4dd@aol.com>

Message: 1
Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 18:46:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Cosmo  Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net"  <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cosm's TR4-A E-mial Repair  Manual
Message-ID:  <1317606390.1425.YahooMailNeo at web39415.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Content-Type:  text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Cosmo,
 
I for one am interested.
 
 
Rodney Ford
TR 4A IRS
TR 7 Spider

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  3 23:05:12 2011
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:05:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Cosmo's PFD Manual
Message-ID: <1317704712.62206.YahooMailNeo@web39414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List!
I want to thank EVERYONE for the over whelming response for
requesting the PFD. I have sent it out to those that have requested it. Chris
Simo has this PFD & is going to try to place it on a web site,
(fileswap.com)  for others to read/retrieve it for their own. If he can't &
you know of others that would like it, then PLEASE feel free to past it along
or have them E-mail me for it.
 
I regret that I didn't have the knowledge, 14
yr. ago, that I have now to make it more enjoyable. Also because of computor
break-downs & newer tech that has evolved. (More pictures that people have
added in their threads by giving there URL addresses to retrieve them.) 
 
I
have a request for those people, to send me (again) their thread & Pictures
that related to that thread (they submitted to the list), & I shall try to do
my best to redo the PFD so the pictures would be in their threads instead of
the addresses to obtain the pictures. (REASON: Many of these pictures, where
pulled off the inter net site. So when one reads their threads & tries to go
to get the pic., then they can't. After all, this is over 14 yr. of
accumulation of triumph list threads.)
 
Now PLEASE be patient with me in
rewriting this PFD, because these past 10 months have been very Hecate with:
cutting, splitting, & stacking over 13 cords of wood for this season's burning
(because of over 6 wk delay of heavy rains to get to the trees); the wife
having 2 knee operations on the same knee in 5 months time (I do have to cater
to her); having to deal with the in-laws illness & dying within 11 days apart;
& helping her taking care of their estate; & getting the last min. things
ready for me to take off to FL, in 3 days, to take care of my 80+ yr. old
aunt & her home.
 
I REALLY would like every bodies input (PLEASE send it
directly to me & NOT through the list) on how to improve this manual. I will
NOT be able to read ANY E-mails from now until 11-1-11 when I get back. 
Note:
I was going to install an index, but didn't have time because of everything
happening, as stated above. 
TIA,
 -Cosmo Kramer

From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  4 07:39:38 2011
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 06:39:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] to Yannick of france
Message-ID: <1317735578.23094.YahooMailNeo@web39413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List! 
I'm sorry to interrupt any threads, so please forgive me.
 
Yannick
of France, 
I've tried to E-mail you the manual twice in different manners,
but BOTH have bounced back to me. So try the web site that Chris Simo has
tried to install my manual on (fileswap.com). or ask the list if someone who
has my manual could E-mail it to you. May be they will have better luck than
me. 
 
List- Would someone PLEASE help out Yannick at: 
yannnick
yannick.seeleuthner at libertysurf.fr
TIA,

-Cosmo Kramer

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 11:49:58 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 13:49:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cosmo's PFD Manual
In-Reply-To: <1317704712.62206.YahooMailNeo@web39414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1317704712.62206.YahooMailNeo@web39414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANhzkePys2S6Y4x3PyXSyPb+o7CTebkmUEa82XmomajC=BemVw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the link:

*http://tinyurl.com/6c647jh*

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi List!
> I want to thank EVERYONE for the over whelming response for
> requesting the PFD. I have sent it out to those that have requested it.
> Chris
> Simo has this PFD & is going to try to place it on a web site,
> (fileswap.com)  for others to read/retrieve it for their own. If he can't
> &
> you know of others that would like it, then PLEASE feel free to past it
> along
> or have them E-mail me for it.
>
> I regret that I didn't have the knowledge, 14
> yr. ago, that I have now to make it more enjoyable. Also because of
> computor
> break-downs & newer tech that has evolved. (More pictures that people have
> added in their threads by giving there URL addresses to retrieve them.)
>
> I
> have a request for those people, to send me (again) their thread & Pictures
> that related to that thread (they submitted to the list), & I shall try to
> do
> my best to redo the PFD so the pictures would be in their threads instead
> of
> the addresses to obtain the pictures. (REASON: Many of these pictures,
> where
> pulled off the inter net site. So when one reads their threads & tries to
> go
> to get the pic., then they can't. After all, this is over 14 yr. of
> accumulation of triumph list threads.)
>
> Now PLEASE be patient with me in
> rewriting this PFD, because these past 10 months have been very Hecate
> with:
> cutting, splitting, & stacking over 13 cords of wood for this season's
> burning
> (because of over 6 wk delay of heavy rains to get to the trees); the wife
> having 2 knee operations on the same knee in 5 months time (I do have to
> cater
> to her); having to deal with the in-laws illness & dying within 11 days
> apart;
> & helping her taking care of their estate; & getting the last min. things
> ready for me to take off to FL, in 3 days, to take care of my 80+ yr. old
> aunt & her home.
>
> I REALLY would like every bodies input (PLEASE send it
> directly to me & NOT through the list) on how to improve this manual. I
> will
> NOT be able to read ANY E-mails from now until 11-1-11 when I get back.
> Note:
> I was going to install an index, but didn't have time because of everything
> happening, as stated above.
> TIA,
>  -Cosmo Kramer
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Oct  4 12:39:59 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:39:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] Three Italias for sale
Message-ID: <1317753599.74630.YahooMailNeo@web29420.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I was dreamin' my dreams today in trying to find an ancient Triumph
(preferably wearing a Standard Motor Co badge on it) and came across these
three Italias - all for sale in Europe. One's in Portugal, one's in Italy and
the other is in Germany. For those who are flush with funds (and aren't we
all, of course?) negotiations are likely to start at around 120,000 US big
ones. 
NFI. 
Click on www.carandclassic.co.uk/cat/3/41/2000/
Rather outside my
league for this tax year :)
 
Jonmac

From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Oct  4 13:00:38 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 19:00:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] greenish oil now ZDDP, dripping chambers
In-Reply-To: <1317379364.49898.YahooMailNeo@web28310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <343941805.192139.1317754838059.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

> another oil
> and filter change on reaching Minneapolis. The filth that came out at
> that
> change was unbelieveable! From Minneapolis onwards to the finish in
> California, the car was running Castrol Classic 20W/50
> (at my insistence) with ZDDP. 

> Jonmac

Oil change was done as a donation to the tour by Mark Brandow of Quality Coaches.  QC has done the subsequent changes on the car.



Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk
http://www.mnautox.com

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Oct  4 15:20:32 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 16:20:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cosmo's PFD Manual
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkePys2S6Y4x3PyXSyPb+o7CTebkmUEa82XmomajC=BemVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1317704712.62206.YahooMailNeo@web39414.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<CANhzkePys2S6Y4x3PyXSyPb+o7CTebkmUEa82XmomajC=BemVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95E4A7A18CBC4EB6BD802E9BD41423C3@bboffice>

WOWOWOW!  This is a huge detailed listing,
Thanks Cosmo,
Bill 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 12:50 PM
To: Cosmo Kramer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Cosmo's PFD Manual

Here's the link:

*http://tinyurl.com/6c647jh*

On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Cosmo Kramer <tr4a2712 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi List!
> I want to thank EVERYONE for the over whelming response for requesting 
> the PFD. I have sent it out to those that have requested it.
> Chris
> Simo has this PFD & is going to try to place it on a web site,
> (fileswap.com)  for others to read/retrieve it for their own. If he 
> can't & you know of others that would like it, then PLEASE feel free 
> to past it along or have them E-mail me for it.
>
> I regret that I didn't have the knowledge, 14 yr. ago, that I have now 
> to make it more enjoyable. Also because of computor break-downs & 
> newer tech that has evolved. (More pictures that people have added in 
> their threads by giving there URL addresses to retrieve them.)
>
> I
> have a request for those people, to send me (again) their thread & 
> Pictures that related to that thread (they submitted to the list), & I 
> shall try to do my best to redo the PFD so the pictures would be in 
> their threads instead of the addresses to obtain the pictures. 
> (REASON: Many of these pictures, where pulled off the inter net site. 
> So when one reads their threads & tries to go to get the pic., then 
> they can't. After all, this is over 14 yr. of accumulation of triumph 
> list threads.)
>
> Now PLEASE be patient with me in
> rewriting this PFD, because these past 10 months have been very Hecate
> with:
> cutting, splitting, & stacking over 13 cords of wood for this season's 
> burning (because of over 6 wk delay of heavy rains to get to the 
> trees); the wife having 2 knee operations on the same knee in 5 months 
> time (I do have to cater to her); having to deal with the in-laws 
> illness & dying within 11 days apart; & helping her taking care of 
> their estate; & getting the last min. things ready for me to take off 
> to FL, in 3 days, to take care of my 80+ yr. old aunt & her home.
>
> I REALLY would like every bodies input (PLEASE send it directly to me 
> & NOT through the list) on how to improve this manual. I will NOT be 
> able to read ANY E-mails from now until 11-1-11 when I get back.
> Note:
> I was going to install an index, but didn't have time because of 
> everything happening, as stated above.
> TIA,
>  -Cosmo Kramer
>
>
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From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  4 15:47:22 2011
From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:47:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1317764842.28291.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi List! 
B 
This bounced back:Hi Francis!
The PFD is in the mail! 
Please
give me your input on how I could improve it. PLEASE submit it to me & be
patient on any reply, because I'm leaving for a month.
-------------------------- 
so please try:
http://www.fileswap.com/dl/sDPUDvvh/Cosmobs_TR4-A_E-mail_Manual_9-12-2011.p
df.html

-Cosmo Kramer

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct  5 04:49:13 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:49:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
Message-ID: <1317811753.64214.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

OK - this amazing thing is *little more* than an amalgam of so many posts to
the list down the years.
 
But what a work of compilation and what an
excellent reference that doesn't say "re-assembly is the reverse of the
above."!!!!!!!!
 
Well done, Jeff! With your approval I'm notifying several
clubs in the UK of its existence. There must be many TR4/4A owners around the
world who don't belong to this list but who, nonetheless, might well want/need
to be aware of its existence? Although I don't own any Triumphs now, I'd have
thought a little time invested by someone of notifying all the Triumph and
British All-Makes clubs of how and where it can be found would be time well
spent by one or two enthusiasts who want to spread the word.
 
Jonmac

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Oct  5 08:12:51 2011
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:12:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
Message-ID: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>

/8Jhmpz: Permission denied

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 10:50:37 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:50:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting
Message-ID: <1317833437.47892.YahooMailNeo@web120212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i have the modern oil filter on my TR3.
been using the fram TG3600.
took at look at their website today and was surprised to see that they have the pressure relief valve set at only 12 psi.
am i reading this wrong?
am i not understanding?
what that is suggesting to me that is at 13psi of oil pressure i will be bypassing the filter and sending sump oil straight through my motor unfiltered? no?
what other filters will fit this application?
thanks
Frank

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Oct  5 13:21:25 2011
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:21:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting
Message-ID: <75b84.2a58bc1e.3bbe0835@cs.com>

In a message dated 10/5/2011 1:16:10 PM Central Daylight Time, 
yellowtr3 at yahoo.com writes: 
> i have the modern oil filter on my TR3.
> been using the fram TG3600.
> took at look at their website today and was surprised to see that they 
> have the pressure relief valve set at only 12 psi.
> am i reading this wrong?
> am i not understanding?
> what that is suggesting to me that is at 13psi of oil pressure i will be 
> bypassing the filter and sending sump oil straight through my motor 
> unfiltered? no?
> what other filters will fit this application?
> thanks
> 
What that means is if the filter clogs to the point where the pressure drop 
across it exceeds 13 PSI the bypass valve will open and feed unfiltered oil 
to your engine.  This is far, far better than no oil at all.

Dave

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 13:40:17 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 12:40:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting
In-Reply-To: <1317833437.47892.YahooMailNeo@web120212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317833437.47892.YahooMailNeo@web120212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00f001cc8396$9ca2cdb0$d5e86910$@rr.com>

I think you are misinterpreting, Frank.  The 13 psi is the pressure
differential across the oil filter; meaning the filter has to be pretty
badly clogged before the bypass opens.  Since the TR3 oil pressure gauge is
attached before the filter, this is a Good Thing since otherwise the gauge
might read fine but the bearings would be getting much less pressure.

I'm not sure offhand that the bypass valve in the filter head is set that
high anyway.  ISTR someone wrote that it opened at 8 psi.  If so, the valve
in the filter never opens anyway.

FWIW, earlier TR3s used a bypass type filter anyway, where the filtered oil
was returned to the pan and the galleries were always fed directly from the
pump.  It works well enough unless there is a serious failure.

There are other filters that will fit, but I'm too lazy to look them up just
now.  You need to match the threads, the seal ring diameter, and the
distance from the seal ring surface to the top of the threads.

-- Randall 

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 14:01:26 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 13:01:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting
In-Reply-To: <000f01cc8395$755210a0$5ff631e0$@charter.net>
References: <1317833437.47892.YahooMailNeo@web120212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<000f01cc8395$755210a0$5ff631e0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <1317844886.11194.YahooMailNeo@web120220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

that makes more sense.
thank you Alex


________________________________
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'Frank Fisher' <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: RE: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting

My guess is that the 13 psi refers to the pressure differential between the
"dirty side" and the "clean side" of the filter that will send oil straight
to the engine. In other words, when the filter becomes plugged, or in
extremely cold weather, oil will start to bypass the filter when there is
more than 13 psi difference between the two sides of the filter media.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting

i have the modern oil filter on my TR3.
been using the fram TG3600.
took at look at their website today and was surprised to see that they have
the pressure relief valve set at only 12 psi.
am i reading this wrong?
am i not understanding?
what that is suggesting to me that is at 13psi of oil pressure i will be
bypassing the filter and sending sump oil straight through my motor
unfiltered? no?
what other filters will fit this application?
thanks
Frank


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From bjzwissler at gmail.com  Wed Oct  5 14:10:15 2011
From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Benjamin Zwissler)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 16:10:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 4, Issue 175
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1317837602.29544.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.4.1317837602.29544.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAMHq6ZxSFes=eQMa0mAW9XmuYsAQxNMASh-m-+zMHpVjJJ_8Gg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd assume that that means 12 psi of delta pressure across the filter.  That
seems like a lot to me....

Ben.....

On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 2:00 PM, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 09:50:37 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] modern oil filter tr3 relief valve setting
> Message-ID:
>        <1317833437.47892.YahooMailNeo at web120212.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> i have the modern oil filter on my TR3.
> been using the fram TG3600.
> took at look at their website today and was surprised to see that they have
> the pressure relief valve set at only 12 psi.
> am i reading this wrong?
> am i not understanding?
> what that is suggesting to me that is at 13psi of oil pressure i will be
> bypassing the filter and sending sump oil straight through my motor
> unfiltered? no?
> what other filters will fit this application?
> thanks
> Frank
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 16:01:32 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:01:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <1317811753.64214.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <1317811753.64214.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <013d01cc83aa$580d08f0$08271ad0$@rr.com>

> OK - this amazing thing is *little more* than an amalgam of so many
> posts to
> the list down the years.
> 
> But what a work of compilation and what an
> excellent reference that doesn't say "re-assembly is the reverse of the
> above."!!!!!!!!

Here's a link where anyone can view or download Cosmo's collection:
http://tinyurl.com/3pors57

It takes a bit to load, so if the picture you see is fuzzy, please wait a
bit and it should clear up.

-- Randall 

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 16:46:10 2011
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 15:46:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3a wire harnes routing
Message-ID: <1317854770.85258.YahooMailNeo@web120530.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello List....hope I'm subscribed again.  I'm rewiring a '59 TR3A.  I'm not
sure of the routing the wiring takes from the right side to the left side
under the dash.  Does it go over and behind the heater, or under the battery
box?
 
Any input / advice from anyone who has BTDT would be much appreciated.
 
Thank you,
 
Chad in Tulsa

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Oct  5 19:12:26 2011
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3a wire harnes routing
Message-ID: <4bda8.638686f2.3bbe5a7a@cs.com>

In a message dated 10/5/2011 7:37:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com writes: 
> Hello List....hope I'm subscribed again.  I'm rewiring a '59 TR3A.  I'm 
> not
> sure of the routing the wiring takes from the right side to the left side
> under the dash.  Does it go over and behind the heater, or under the 
> battery
> box?
> 
> Any input / advice from anyone who has BTDT would be much appreciated.
> 
> 

Hi, Chad.  My TR3 had the tabs for securing the wiring running along 
underneath the battery.  Look for those. as a clue.

Dave

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Wed Oct  5 19:35:49 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2011 21:35:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] the GT6 has run again!
Message-ID: <4E8CCDB5.16255.F3EE2FA@localhost>

This has been a long journey.  Last year I took my GT6 off the road 
(again) because of a screaming noise from the gearbox.  I had a 
machine shop put a hardened sleeve on the end of the mainshaft, then 
I re-assembled and installed it, and took it for a test drive.  Just 
a short drive around the block convinced me that something wasn't 
right.  That something turned out to be a circlip that wasn't seated.

The next re-assembly took much longer than I would have liked, and 
even after I put it back in the car time didn't give much opportunity 
to test drive it.  Howver last weekend I got that opportunity and it 
passed the test.  So on Monday I decided to drive it to work, a 100-
mile round trip.  It made the entire trip successfully!  It didn't 
break, it stayed quiet, shifted smoothly.

It was a good day.

Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com

From pcaffrey at ymail.com  Wed Oct  5 20:31:24 2011
From: pcaffrey at ymail.com (P Caffrey)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 19:31:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
Message-ID: <1317868284.65612.YahooMailClassic@web59715.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Thank you, Randall....This is excellent work, Cosmo.  Thank you for sharing
your love of these cars with us. You are a marvel at documentation!
Appreciatively yours,
Pat
TR4A, '67
1CTC/72746-L

--- On Wed, 10/5/11, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
To: "'John Macartney'" <flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>,
triumphs at autox.team.net
Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 10:01 PM


> OK - this amazing thing is *little more* than an amalgam of so many
> posts to
> the list down the years.
>
> But what a work of compilation and what an
> excellent reference that doesn't say "re-assembly is the reverse of the
> above."!!!!!!!!

Here's a link where anyone can view or download Cosmo's collection:
http://tinyurl.com/3pors57

It takes a bit to load, so if the picture you see is fuzzy, please wait a
bit and it should clear up.

-- Randall


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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct  5 21:21:21 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 20:21:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3a wire harnes routing
In-Reply-To: <1317854770.85258.YahooMailNeo@web120530.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1317854770.85258.YahooMailNeo@web120530.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0b0101cc83d7$05e2f8f0$0301a8c0@randall>

On TS39781LO, it ran in front of the battery box, just slightly above the
level of the bottom of the box but with clips to the bulkhead in front of
the battery box.  (So basically inside that ledge you see in front of the
battery in the engine compartment.)

-- Randall  

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  5 22:39:55 2011
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 21:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3a wire harnes routing
In-Reply-To: <0b0101cc83d7$05e2f8f0$0301a8c0@randall>
References: <1317854770.85258.YahooMailNeo@web120530.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<0b0101cc83d7$05e2f8f0$0301a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <1317875995.70801.YahooMailNeo@web120528.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Randall-
 
Thanks for the info!
 
After a bit of poking around, I found the
clips.  The harness is now routed and getting closer to being complete.
 
I'm
helping out a friend restoring parts of his TR3A.  He's owned it for 35+
years.....really a heap.  At least it probably won't burst into flame due to
faulty wiring now.  :-)
 
Chad in Tulsa

From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: 'Chad' <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday,
October 5, 2011 10:21 PM
Subject: RE: [TR] TR3a wire harnes routing

On
TS39781LO, it ran in front of the battery box, just slightly above the
level
of the bottom of the box but with clips to the bulkhead in front of
the
battery box.  (So basically inside that ledge you see in front of the
battery
in the engine compartment.)

-- Randall 

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Oct  6 05:46:28 2011
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 07:46:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] the GT6 has run again!
Message-ID: <7788.45143c68.3bbeef14@cs.com>

In a message dated 10/5/2011 9:47:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
jimmuller at rcn.com writes: 
> The next re-assembly took much longer than I would have liked, and 
> even after I put it back in the car time didn't give much opportunity 
> to test drive it.  Howver last weekend I got that opportunity and it 
> passed the test.  So on Monday I decided to drive it to work, a 100-
> mile round trip.  It made the entire trip successfully!  It didn't 
> break, it stayed quiet, shifted smoothly.
> 
> 
A 100 mile test drive?!!!  Boy you've got bigger... um ... AAA coverage 
than I do.

Congrats.

Dave

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Thu Oct  6 18:31:05 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 20:31:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] the GT6 has run again!
In-Reply-To: <7788.45143c68.3bbeef14@cs.com>
Message-ID: <4E8E1009.8002.1429F81C@localhost>

On 6 Oct 2011 at 7:46, Dave1massey at cs.com wrote:
> A 100 mile test drive?!!!
> Boy you've got bigger... um ... AAA coverage than I do.

Ah, well, big "AAA coverage" got nuthin' to do with it.  I had driven 
it around the neighborhood a few times, and then for a half hour spin 
at speed up and down the nearest limited-access highway on Saturday.  
So I had a pretty good idea what might break and how I would know.

:-)

Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com

From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com  Thu Oct  6 21:49:10 2011
From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 20:49:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
Message-ID: <000301cc84a4$12d195d0$3874c170$@rr.com>

I really enjoyed attending both VTR in Breckenridge and Triumphest in Big
Bear this year.  I see that VTR is in Galveston next year, and heard that
VTR was in North California  in 2013 for a combo VTR/Triumphest like what
happened in 2009 in San Luis Obispo. My wife and I would like to attend
both. But, trying to find out anything more than that on the web is
difficult. Does anybody know where the Galveston event will be, and the
dates and location of VTR/Tfest in 2013?

Johnnie in San Diego

'67 TR4A

From jfreynolds_99 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 09:03:16 2011
From: jfreynolds_99 at yahoo.com (John Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 08:03:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
In-Reply-To: <000301cc84a4$12d195d0$3874c170$@rr.com>
References: <000301cc84a4$12d195d0$3874c170$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1317999796.13079.YahooMailNeo@web30704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Johnnie,
The 2012 VTR Nationals will be held from October, 28 through November
1st at the San Luis Resort Hotel in Galveston, TX. See the Texas Triumph
Register website for more information.
Best Regards,
John Reynolds

-----
Original Message -----
From: John & Pat Donnelly <pdonnel1 at san.rr.com>
To:
triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:49 PM
Subject:
[TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning

I really enjoyed attending both VTR in
Breckenridge and Triumphest in Big
Bear this year.  I see that VTR is in
Galveston next year, and heard that
VTR was in North California  in 2013 for a
combo VTR/Triumphest like what
happened in 2009 in San Luis Obispo. My wife
and I would like to attend
both. But, trying to find out anything more than
that on the web is
difficult. Does anybody know where the Galveston event will
be, and the
dates and location of VTR/Tfest in 2013?

Johnnie in San Diego
'67 TR4A


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  7 15:59:33 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 14:59:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] tr3 carpet clips
Message-ID: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

on TS41366L December 1958, i have some carpet clips that are screwed to the
firewall.
each side gets 2 clips.
each clip is about 1 1/2" wide.
they are
manufactured from spring steel.
imagine a piece of 0.02" thin steel bent over
at 180 degrees. one edge is cut to have 2 sharp teeth and the teeth  are
further bent 90 degrees.
when screwed to the firewall the open end faces down.
one brings the carpet up and pulls open the spring (nicking one finger), then
you tuck the end of the carpet into the clip and when you release the clip the
teeth clamp onto the carpet holding it in place.
neither of my friends 1957 or
1962 have theses.
are they factory?
is any one making replacements?
thanks
Frank

From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  7 17:53:22 2011
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 18:53:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] tr3 carpet clips
In-Reply-To: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY150-W43CFB720EEBD1525C15486B9FE0@phx.gbl>

Frank-

Try part number 561162 - Roadster Factory has them listed, also Revington.
These clips are on a TR4, I suspect they are the same.

Randy


> neither of my friends 1957 or
> 1962 have theses.
> are they factory?
> is any one making replacements?
> thanks
> Frank

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct  7 18:03:35 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:03:35 -0700
Subject: [TR] tr3 carpet clips
In-Reply-To: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01a001cc854d$b9ec9f50$2dc5ddf0$@rr.com>

> you tuck the end of the carpet into the clip and when you release the
> clip the
> teeth clamp onto the carpet holding it in place.
> neither of my friends 1957 or
> 1962 have theses.
> are they factory?
> is any one making replacements?

I believe they are factory, but only installed on some cars (perhaps only
those originally fitted with rubber mats).  TS39781LO had em, TS13571L
didn't (and had carpet snaps in the same general area).

I _think_ the part number is 561162 (even though that number doesn't appear
in the TR3 SPC), and TRF has them on sale for $3.51 each.

Don't have a good photo handy, but you can see part of one above the clutch
pedal in this shot:
http://tinyurl.com/3koaxm8

-- Randall 

From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com  Fri Oct  7 20:42:38 2011
From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 19:42:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
In-Reply-To: <002a01cc84f8$a89a44a0$0501a8c0@randall>
References: <000301cc84a4$12d195d0$3874c170$@rr.com>
	<002a01cc84f8$a89a44a0$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <000101cc8563$f1d2ead0$d578c070$@rr.com>

I just received this email from Cregg Cowan of Triumph Travelers. It'd be
really cool if we could get a run on Infineon Raceway (the old Sears Point).
>
>
>
Hi Johnnie,

The 2013 combined VTR / Triumphest will be held Oct 2-6, 2013 in the San
Francisco Bay area.
The event hotel is slightly north of the Golden Gate bridge, and is close to
wine country, the coast, and fantastic roads.

Regards,
Cregg Cowan
Activity Coordinator, Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: 'John & Pat Donnelly'
> Subject: RE: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
> 
> John,
> 
> Triumphest is always hosted by one of 5 clubs, 4 in CA and one in AZ.
> There
> is no chance that it will be held in NC.
> 
> I believe it's Triumph Travelers' turn in 2013 and they are based near
> San
> Francisco.  It gets to be a real hassle to have the event very far away
> from
> the organizers, so most likely they will choose a venue that is more-
> or-less
> central CA.  However, I would be very surprised if they have already
> chosen
> a venue, or even a date for certain.  It's tough enough to get these
> things
> nailed down even 1 year in advance, let alone 2.  And in any case, the
> agreement is that each year's venue is NOT announced before the
> previous
> year's event.  I believe the same rule applies to VTR as well, the
> formal
> announcement of next year's venue & dates is supposed to be made at the
> awards banquet.
> 
> The combo event was a "one time only" thing.  It might happen again,
> but not
> for several more years I think.  It probably would not have happened at
> all
> if VTR wasn't having a hard time lining up a club to host the event.
> It
> really is a lot of hard work, and most of the people who do it wind up
> thinking "never again".  VTR likes to move their event around the
> country,
> but they are constrained by having to find a local chapter to host the
> event.
> 
> I'm sorry this doesn't answer your questions, but maybe it will help
> explain
> why the answers are hard to find <g>
> 
> -- Randall
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John &
> > Pat Donnelly
> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:49 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
> >
> > I really enjoyed attending both VTR in Breckenridge and
> > Triumphest in Big
> > Bear this year.  I see that VTR is in Galveston next year,
> > and heard that
> > VTR was in North California  in 2013 for a combo
> > VTR/Triumphest like what
> > happened in 2009 in San Luis Obispo. My wife and I would like
> > to attend
> > both. But, trying to find out anything more than that on the web is
> > difficult. Does anybody know where the Galveston event will
> > be, and the
> > dates and location of VTR/Tfest in 2013?
> >
> > Johnnie in San Diego
> >
> > '67 TR4A
> >
> >
> > triumphs at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive
> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums
> > Unsubscribe/Manage:
> > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3driver at ca.rr.com

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  8 13:54:00 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:54:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] tr3 carpet clips
In-Reply-To: <01a001cc854d$b9ec9f50$2dc5ddf0$@rr.com>
References: <1318024773.31589.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<01a001cc854d$b9ec9f50$2dc5ddf0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1318103640.55599.YahooMailNeo@web120220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

that would be them. thanks Randall and Randy
________________________________
From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To:
'Frank Fisher' <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday,
October 7, 2011 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [TR] tr3 carpet clips

> you tuck the end
of the carpet into the clip and when you release the
> clip the
> teeth clamp
onto the carpet holding it in place.
> neither of my friends 1957 or
> 1962
have theses.
> are they factory?
> is any one making replacements?

I believe
they are factory, but only installed on some cars (perhaps only
those
originally fitted with rubber mats).  TS39781LO had em, TS13571L
didn't (and
had carpet snaps in the same general area).

I _think_ the part number is
561162 (even though that number doesn't appear
in the TR3 SPC), and TRF has
them on sale for $3.51 each.

Don't have a good photo handy, but you can see
part of one above the clutch
pedal in this shot:
http://tinyurl.com/3koaxm8
-- Randall

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  8 13:55:48 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
In-Reply-To: <000101cc8563$f1d2ead0$d578c070$@rr.com>
References: <000301cc84a4$12d195d0$3874c170$@rr.com>
	<002a01cc84f8$a89a44a0$0501a8c0@randall>
	<000101cc8563$f1d2ead0$d578c070$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1318103748.64236.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Oh John
what a dream. infineon is my most favorite track in all the world. id
love to take one lap.
lets hope this comes off
Frank
________________________________
From: John & Pat Donnelly
<pdonnel1 at san.rr.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, October 7,
2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning

I just received
this email from Cregg Cowan of Triumph Travelers. It'd be
really cool if we
could get a run on Infineon Raceway (the old Sears Point).
>
>
>
Hi Johnnie,
The 2013 combined VTR / Triumphest will be held Oct 2-6, 2013 in the San
Francisco Bay area.
The event hotel is slightly north of the Golden Gate
bridge, and is close to
wine country, the coast, and fantastic roads.
Regards,
Cregg Cowan
Activity Coordinator, Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randall [mailto:TR3driver at ca.rr.com]
>
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 6:55 AM
> To: 'John & Pat Donnelly'
> Subject:
RE: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
> 
> John,
> 
> Triumphest is always
hosted by one of 5 clubs, 4 in CA and one in AZ.
> There
> is no chance that
it will be held in NC.
> 
> I believe it's Triumph Travelers' turn in 2013 and
they are based near
> San
> Francisco.  It gets to be a real hassle to have
the event very far away
> from
> the organizers, so most likely they will
choose a venue that is more-
> or-less
> central CA.  However, I would be very
surprised if they have already
> chosen
> a venue, or even a date for
certain.  It's tough enough to get these
> things
> nailed down even 1 year in
advance, let alone 2.  And in any case, the
> agreement is that each year's
venue is NOT announced before the
> previous
> year's event.  I believe the
same rule applies to VTR as well, the
> formal
> announcement of next year's
venue & dates is supposed to be made at the
> awards banquet.
> 
> The combo
event was a "one time only" thing.  It might happen again,
> but not
> for
several more years I think.  It probably would not have happened at
> all
> if
VTR wasn't having a hard time lining up a club to host the event.
> It
>
really is a lot of hard work, and most of the people who do it wind up
>
thinking "never again".  VTR likes to move their event around the
> country,
>
but they are constrained by having to find a local chapter to host the
>
event.
> 
> I'm sorry this doesn't answer your questions, but maybe it will
help
> explain
> why the answers are hard to find <g>
> 
> -- Randall
> 
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> >
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John &
> > Pat Donnelly
> > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 8:49 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Subject: [TR] VTR and Triumphest Planning
> >
> > I really enjoyed attending
both VTR in Breckenridge and
> > Triumphest in Big
> > Bear this year.  I see
that VTR is in Galveston next year,
> > and heard that
> > VTR was in North
California  in 2013 for a combo
> > VTR/Triumphest like what
> > happened in
2009 in San Luis Obispo. My wife and I would like
> > to attend
> > both. But,
trying to find out anything more than that on the web is
> > difficult. Does
anybody know where the Galveston event will
> > be, and the
> > dates and
location of VTR/Tfest in 2013?
> >
> > Johnnie in San Diego
> >
> > '67 TR4A
>
>
> >
> > triumphs at autox.team.net
> >
> > Donate:
http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> >
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Oct  8 15:00:52 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:00:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Question to you painters out there..
Message-ID: <13546567541748659D3024136C0E1B10@DaveLaptop>

Hi,
I have just sprayed the back side of my TR4A hood with a base/clear coat and
noticed that I was light in a couple of spots. The paint is LIMCO 123 Base
with GT Select Clear. The color is Royal Blue over gray primer with is a pain
to get good coverage in the first place. I wish I would have used a black
primer but that could have been worse..
Anyway, my question is do I have to wait and wetsand the area to repaint? If I
touch it up within 24 hours can I just respray?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From trguy at cfl.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 15:52:21 2011
From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:52:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] In Search of a TR4 Valve Cover
Message-ID: <004701cc8604$8e81bc80$ab853580$@rr.com>

Listers:

It is wet down here in Florida!  I am still searching for an early TR4 valve
cover that does not have the brass plug in the center.  I actually found
one, but the oil inlet tube was bent over 45 degrees.  Must have happened
pulling the engine out or something way back when.  Anyone know of such a
cover?  I see them on the 61 and 62 Tr4s that pop up for sale now and then.


Thanks in advance,

Jim Henningsen

Maitland, FL

62 TR4

75 TR6 

From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Oct  8 16:22:59 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 17:22:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Question to you painters out there..
In-Reply-To: <13546567541748659D3024136C0E1B10@DaveLaptop>
References: <13546567541748659D3024136C0E1B10@DaveLaptop>
Message-ID: <14F5DC563487462F840014EDD9C50939@bboffice>

Dave,

We sprayed black over gray primer with no problems.  I would wait until I
could sand before the next coat just to be on the safe side and insure the
best finish at the end.

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 4:01 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Question to you painters out there..

Hi,
I have just sprayed the back side of my TR4A hood with a base/clear coat and
noticed that I was light in a couple of spots. The paint is LIMCO 123 Base
with GT Select Clear. The color is Royal Blue over gray primer with is a
pain
to get good coverage in the first place. I wish I would have used a black
primer but that could have been worse..
Anyway, my question is do I have to wait and wetsand the area to repaint? If
I
touch it up within 24 hours can I just respray?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a


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From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct  8 17:47:30 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 19:47:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] 3 brake pedal springs
Message-ID: <7459DE696B9D4E5187CA28487C0BA6A5@DELL05639>

I know I've rebuilt my brake system before, but, something's already gone bad.
For some reason, the pushrod refuses to plunge within the new master cylinder.
So I disconnected the m/c pushrod from the pedal lever at the brake box in the
engine compartment.  I'll investigate it tomorrow.  However, with nothing
attached to it, the pedal still doesn't spring up toward the driver.
     I thought I had emough springs to make it return, but, I must be wrong.
It has adequate lube...what should I do...add more springs?
Thanks,

Paul Dorsey
60 Tr3 ts78316

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 19:31:22 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 18:31:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] 3 brake pedal springs
In-Reply-To: <7459DE696B9D4E5187CA28487C0BA6A5@DELL05639>
References: <7459DE696B9D4E5187CA28487C0BA6A5@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <00a001cc8623$273cdfe0$0501a8c0@randall>

> For some reason, the pushrod refuses to plunge within the new 
> master cylinder.

Could it be stopping because the brakes are applied?

> However, with nothing
> attached to it, the pedal still doesn't spring up toward the driver.

It should take practically nothing to move the pedal with it disconnected
... sounds to me as though the pivot pin inside the pedal assembly has
gotten rusty in spite of the "adequate lube".  I would pull it apart
(again).

-- Randall  

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sat Oct  8 19:57:41 2011
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:57:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>

Well b it seems that it didnbt make it the first timeb&.

Carl



From: Carl TR [mailto:cfmtr3a at verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 10:13 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book



Hopefully this will make it to the list - (on a public computer and sending in
an unknown format)



I finally took a look at Cosmo's efforts.  First - it states it is his "TR4/4A
E-mail Manual"

A quick curisory look and there is much in the 1300 pages that applies to TR2
and TR3's as well as later models in the TR series.



A very fine compilation of 'all that stuff' out in cyber world.   thanks
Cosmo.



Carl Musson

1961 TR3A - TS81802LO

Restoration stalled at installing the electrics.....  ARGH - waiting for
parts....

Tampa, FL

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct  8 21:49:43 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 8 Oct 2011 20:49:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>

> Well b it seems that it didnbt make it the first timeb&.

Why am I reminded of the Fat Albert character ??

Anyway, no attachments through the list.  Which is the only way to be
absolutely, 100% certain that no virus can ever make it through the list.

-- Randall

From davewillner at pa.net  Sun Oct  9 06:44:02 2011
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 08:44:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
Message-ID: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>

What are my odds of bleeding the clutch while the m/c is in the car, can that
be achieved? I've read most of the archives and most suggest a bench bleed...I
replaced the master, the slave and the hose and all is tight. I'd rather not
remove things if I don't have to..  Thanks

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Oct  9 08:50:15 2011
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 10:50:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
Message-ID: <ddf6.4598ac61.3bc30ea7@cs.com>

In a message dated 10/9/2011 9:31:09 AM Central Daylight Time, 
davewillner at pa.net writes: 
> What are my odds of bleeding the clutch while the m/c is in the car, can 
> that
> be achieved? I've read most of the archives and most suggest a bench 
> bleed...I
> replaced the master, the slave and the hose and all is tight. I'd rather 
> not
> remove things if I don't have to..  Thanks
> 

I've never had any problem bleeding insitu.  Bench bleeding may help 
expedite the matter but as long as you can prime the pump bleeding will go along 
swimmingly.

Dave

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sun Oct  9 07:50:58 2011
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 09:50:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAABlgUx0x1KdGvmzeY4IOhK0BAAAAAA==@verizon.net>

Just to clarify - there wasn't an attachment in the first message...  the
content was exactly as in the second..  the only change was the text format.


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 11:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book

> Well b it seems that it didnbt make it the first timeb&.

Why am I reminded of the Fat Albert character ??

Anyway, no attachments through the list.  Which is the only way to be
absolutely, 100% certain that no virus can ever make it through the list.

-- Randall


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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Oct  9 10:18:11 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 09:18:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
In-Reply-To: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>
References: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>
Message-ID: <00e701cc869f$0aaa3270$0501a8c0@randall>

> What are my odds of bleeding the clutch while the m/c is in 
> the car, can that
> be achieved?

Definitely.  I've never bothered to bench-bleed my TR3/A, as I don't take
the reservoir off with the cylinder. The trick is that, if the MC is totally
dry, you'll probably need to start by bleeding at the MC.  Stuff a rag under
the outlet fitting, then loosen it.  With the reservoir full, it should
bleed itself by gravity; or you can help it along by using a screwdriver to
work the cylinder.  Tighten the fitting again when you get mostly fluid
instead of mostly air (It doesn't have to be absolutely bubble-free, there
just needs to be enough fluid in the cylinder to get it to work some).  Then
bleed at the slave as usual.

Or, what usually works for me is to just pump up the clutch, hold it for a
moment, then release the pedal.  Wait 10 seconds, repeat.  Usually 4 or 5
repetitions will get it close enough to be driveable, then the remainder
will work itself out.

Another approach, which I haven't tried on a clutch yet, is to open the
bleed screw at the slave and let it bleed by gravity.  Worked slick on my
front calipers, though.  It's slower of course, the fluid doesn't run very
fast just by gravity, but it was quicker than waiting for the wife to get
home.

-- Randall  

From fishplate at charter.net  Sun Oct  9 12:43:03 2011
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 14:43:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
In-Reply-To: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>
References: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>
Message-ID: <4E91EB37.7090705@charter.net>

On 10/9/2011 8:44 AM, davewillner wrote:
> What are my odds of bleeding the clutch while the m/c is in the car, can that
> be achieved? I've read most of the archives and most suggest a bench bleed...
In a situation where I've failed to bench bleed, I remove the bleed 
screw or fitting, and put a thumb over the opening.  Then have an 
assistant pump the pedal.   The thumb acts as a kind of check valve, 
letting air and fluid out while preventing air from flowing back in.  
This usually gets things flowing pretty quickly.

And yes, I had to do this just last week.  *sigh*

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct  9 13:16:09 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 13:16:09 -0600
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>

 > Anyway, no attachments through the list. Which is the only way to be
 > absolutely, 100% certain that no virus can ever make it through the 
list.

Yep.  If one posts to the Triumph forum ( link below ) one can include
photos and such.  But most folks who hang around Team.Net prefer email.
So it goes.

On a side note, most of you know that the out of pocket expenses for
keeping Team.Net on the air is covered by a fund drive.  Once a year
I send out *one* message requesting donations.  As I type this I am
listening to the radio, one of the greatest stations on earth, KRCL.
[ krcl.org ]  They have fund drives twice a year, each of which lasts
nine days.  Today is the last day of the fall pledge drive, thankfully.

Aren't you glad I don't constantly harp about donations 18 days out
of the year?

mjb.

From drew at graybealdesign.com  Sun Oct  9 15:42:28 2011
From: drew at graybealdesign.com (Graybeal Design)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 14:42:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel
Message-ID: <ADBBCD15507345D2AC9361865C222AD5@homemade>

Does anyone have a factory wooden steering wheel for a 73 TR6 that's in
excellent condition?

Thanks,
Drew Graybeal

From tfansher at comcast.net  Sun Oct  9 16:48:54 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 18:48:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book  Now, fund drive
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net><00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <6376FFA095B740BDAED5FA9BA63837A6@DCS78M81>

Yes, I am, and yes I did donate.
Keep up the good work.
Tom


> On a side note, most of you know that the out of pocket expenses for
> keeping Team.Net on the air is covered by a fund drive.  Once a year
> I send out *one* message requesting donations.  As I type this I am
> listening to the radio, one of the greatest stations on earth, KRCL.
> [ krcl.org ]  They have fund drives twice a year, each of which lasts
> nine days.  Today is the last day of the fall pledge drive, thankfully.
> 
> Aren't you glad I don't constantly harp about donations 18 days out
> of the year?
> 
> mjb.

From jmitch at snet.net  Sun Oct  9 17:37:31 2011
From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:37:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel
In-Reply-To: <ADBBCD15507345D2AC9361865C222AD5@homemade>
References: <ADBBCD15507345D2AC9361865C222AD5@homemade>
Message-ID: <4E92303B.9050007@snet.net>

I wasn't aware there was a factory wooden steering wheel.  John 
Mitchell   76 TR6

On 10/9/2011 5:42 PM, Graybeal Design wrote:
> Does anyone have a factory wooden steering wheel for a 73 TR6 that's in
> excellent condition?
>
> Thanks,
> Drew Graybeal
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From tr6parts at charter.net  Sun Oct  9 18:12:39 2011
From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:12:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel
References: <ADBBCD15507345D2AC9361865C222AD5@homemade>
Message-ID: <6FD9D94A576946B39D70D78953CDBCDE@Alan>

There never was a factory wooden steering wheel for a TR6.

Al


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graybeal Design" <drew at graybealdesign.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:42 PM
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel


> Does anyone have a factory wooden steering wheel for a 73 TR6 that's in
> excellent condition?
>
> Thanks,
> Drew Graybeal
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Oct  9 19:01:14 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:01:14 -0600
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book  Now, fund drive
In-Reply-To: <6376FFA095B740BDAED5FA9BA63837A6@DCS78M81>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net><00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
	<6376FFA095B740BDAED5FA9BA63837A6@DCS78M81>
Message-ID: <4E9243DA.5040208@bradakis.com>

THOMAS FANSHER wrote:
> Yes, I am, and yes I did donate.
> Keep up the good work.
> Tom
>
Thanks, I really appreciate the support.  I haven't counted the
number of active subscribers in a while, but if each and every
one of them sent me like $4 or $5 a year Team.Net could be my
full time job.  Maybe then I wouldn't be so far behind in keeping
things up to date.

But I do have other things in life to do, like further work on the
front end of my little S10 after the incident a while back.
  [ http://www.team.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123 ]

I have been thinking about doing a "customer survey" of sorts
RealSoonNow, asking folks what they like and don't like about the
current state of Team.Net.  Maybe I'll get to it one of these cold
winter nights that will be coming up here in Salt Lake City.

mjb.

From lgmtr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  9 21:26:59 2011
From: lgmtr6 at yahoo.com (lgmtr6)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 03:26:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel
In-Reply-To: <6FD9D94A576946B39D70D78953CDBCDE@Alan>
References: <ADBBCD15507345D2AC9361865C222AD5@homemade>
	<6FD9D94A576946B39D70D78953CDBCDE@Alan>
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1318217241.19530.triumphs@autox.team.net>

While there was not a factory wood wheel, Triumph offered a wood wheel through the Amco products like the luggage rack and center arm rest. These were offered through Triumph dealers and advertised in Triumph brochures. I know, as I have one on my 74 TR6.
Larry Miceli
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Al Salvatore" <tr6parts at charter.net>
Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 20:12:39 
To: Graybeal Design<drew at graybealdesign.com>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wooden steering wheel

There never was a factory wooden steering wheel for a TR6.

Al


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Graybeal Design" <drew at graybealdesign.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 5:42 PM
Subject: [TR] Wooden steering wheel


> Does anyone have a factory wooden steering wheel for a 73 TR6 that's in
> excellent condition?
>
> Thanks,
> Drew Graybeal
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Oct  9 22:21:45 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2011 23:21:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net><00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>

Mark,
Thanks for everything, we don't say it enough.  Just sent my donation, $1.00
per CC of engine displacement, right?
Thx,
B

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 2:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book

 > Anyway, no attachments through the list. Which is the only way to be
 > absolutely, 100% certain that no virus can ever make it through the 
list.

Yep.  If one posts to the Triumph forum ( link below ) one can include
photos and such.  But most folks who hang around Team.Net prefer email.
So it goes.

On a side note, most of you know that the out of pocket expenses for
keeping Team.Net on the air is covered by a fund drive.  Once a year
I send out *one* message requesting donations.  As I type this I am
listening to the radio, one of the greatest stations on earth, KRCL.
[ krcl.org ]  They have fund drives twice a year, each of which lasts
nine days.  Today is the last day of the fall pledge drive, thankfully.

Aren't you glad I don't constantly harp about donations 18 days out
of the year?

mjb.


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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Oct 10 02:14:14 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:14:14 -0600
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net><00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
	<DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>
Message-ID: <4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>

wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Mark,
> Thanks for everything, we don't say it enough.  Just sent my donation, $1.00
> per CC of engine displacement, right?
>
$1 per cc - that would be sweet!  A lowly 1147 Spit owner would
send in $1,147 dollars - I could live with that ;-)

mjb.

From zoboherald at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 08:25:28 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 10:25:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080><!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net><00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall><4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com><DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>
	<4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CE556F9802D14D-101C-8C2C3@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com>

 Not that I wouldn't like to help, but that could be tough even on a lowly
Standard 8 owner (803cc = $803.00)!



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>


wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Mark,
> Thanks for everything, we don't say it enough.  Just sent my donation,
$1.00
> per CC of engine displacement, right?
>
$1 per cc - that would be sweet!  A lowly 1147 Spit owner would
send in $1,147 dollars - I could live with that ;-)

From jmyb at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 09:09:03 2011
From: jmyb at aol.com (jmyb at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 11:09:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CE5575AE630E40-10D4-893DE@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com>

..If you have penis, you need this.
http://www.mussons.org/com.friend.php?imayahoo_id=83hu8

From Mackmi at usa.redcross.org  Mon Oct 10 11:41:28 2011
From: Mackmi at usa.redcross.org (Mackmi at usa.redcross.org)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:41:28 -0400
Subject: [TR] Wheel Polishing Question
Message-ID: <32B95304CB44EF4E81483EEA6D05978211A2DA04@brnyrchex2.bio.ri.redcross.net>

I know this isn't strictly a TR8 question, but I'm sure some of you have
refinished some alloy wheels.

I have 5 loose Stag OEM Alloy wheels that  I'd like to make look new or
better.    They were dirty, yellowed and had some mild surface
corrosion.  The wheels are aluminum color with Black painted recesses.



I media blasted the wheels with glass beads.  This removed the yellowed
clear varnish from the unpainted areas.

I then tried to polish the unpainted areas and the lip with a drill
chucked with a buff in it.  I used, brown, black and white polishing
compounds.  Also Mother's metal polish.  They gave the aluminum some
sheen, but not a smooth mirror finish.

So I then took one wheel and media blasted it with Blasting Fine Sand.
This gave the wheel a uniform dulled finish.  I retried all the above
compounds, with little success.



I have 6 hours into these wheels and I am still at the beginning.  Who
has the wheel polishing secrets to share?

I could just have the entire wheel powdercoated silver, but that would
be a shame.



I'm in the Rochester, NY area, if you can recommend a Shop that can do
this, if I have to throw in the towel.



Mike Mack

73 Stag

80 Tr8

70 GT6

79 Spit

From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Oct 10 11:42:05 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:42:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <8CE556F9802D14D-101C-8C2C3@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
	<DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>
	<4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>
	<8CE556F9802D14D-101C-8C2C3@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <EBD91FD1-4172-4CEB-A797-A3B8449FF4E1@flash.net>

OK, $0.01 per cc.   Sorry, I'm sure Mark will gladly refund any overages.
:/)
Bill

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 10, 2011, at 9:25 AM, "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com> wrote:

> Not that I wouldn't like to help, but that could be tough even on a lowly
> Standard 8 owner (803cc = $803.00)!
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>
>
> wbeech at flash.net wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Thanks for everything, we don't say it enough.  Just sent my donation,
> $1.00
>> per CC of engine displacement, right?
>>
> $1 per cc - that would be sweet!  A lowly 1147 Spit owner would
> send in $1,147 dollars - I could live with that ;-)
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Oct 10 11:44:48 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:44:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] 'Cosmo' Kramer's E-Book
In-Reply-To: <4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>
References: <14299117.22786.1317823971753.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAIuVR9tTmvhPpPZCYIPUMYsBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>
	<00b301cc8636$7af1e190$0501a8c0@randall>
	<4E91F2F9.3030901@bradakis.com>
	<DC4420D409054221A29639304A0BDFB7@bboffice>
	<4E92A956.9070104@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <3D54A54C-3F85-419C-8424-4308C74CF929@flash.net>

Just trying to pay your heating bill this winter.

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 10, 2011, at 3:14 AM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> wbeech at flash.net wrote:
>> Mark,
>> Thanks for everything, we don't say it enough.  Just sent my donation,
$1.00
>> per CC of engine displacement, right?
>>
> $1 per cc - that would be sweet!  A lowly 1147 Spit owner would
> send in $1,147 dollars - I could live with that ;-)
>
> mjb.
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Mon Oct 10 13:34:44 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:34:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
Message-ID: <E44064A313954348945E09CA0C2BF2C1@DaveLaptop>

Has anybody ever used CLR to clean aluminum castings? I am planning on
rebuilding my SU's over the winter and prefer the "new" casting look to
polished "chrome like" finishes. I have an old set of Zenith-Stromburg's I can
try it on but thought I would ask you guys too.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From tr3 at roadrunner.com  Mon Oct 10 15:46:33 2011
From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (TRnut)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 14:46:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] Rug Rat Seats in TR's
Message-ID: <1DA23299-BCD4-4778-BC80-5525E437BBEE@roadrunner.com>

I have 2 rug rats in the family (1 -3 yr and 1 - 5 yr. old). I once  
made the mistake of giving them a short ride in my TR3 on the local   
private roads. Now I am being constantly being harassed for more,  
longer and faster rides on public roads. I wonder what the legal  
ramifications are in California when I  break down and relent to the  
pressure. I am sure some of you on the list have been in the same  
situation. Are vintage cars exempt? Are there seats available that are  
acceptable and fit in those narrow bucket seats?
I have retractable lap-shoulder belts that actually fit, even the 3  
yr. old with a small booster seat, quite nicely.

Hans
TR3A

From davewillner at pa.net  Mon Oct 10 16:17:26 2011
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:17:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
References: <8D69AB066B104163B669A3FA9ED93D33@valued9cfc0b6f>
	<00e701cc869f$0aaa3270$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <343BC919191543BE92BA20C93744DD43@valued9cfc0b6f>

This is what I'll try first, I like the idea of working the m/c first then 
the slave since it was new and dry. I bled the slave in the typical fashion 
about 6 times by itself with no noticeable results. I know what you mean 
about waiting for the wife, not fun... Thanks

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2011 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch bleeding


>> What are my odds of bleeding the clutch while the m/c is in
>> the car, can that
>> be achieved?
>
> Definitely.  I've never bothered to bench-bleed my TR3/A, as I don't take
> the reservoir off with the cylinder. The trick is that, if the MC is 
> totally
> dry, you'll probably need to start by bleeding at the MC.  Stuff a rag 
> under
> the outlet fitting, then loosen it.  With the reservoir full, it should
> bleed itself by gravity; or you can help it along by using a screwdriver 
> to
> work the cylinder.  Tighten the fitting again when you get mostly fluid
> instead of mostly air (It doesn't have to be absolutely bubble-free, there
> just needs to be enough fluid in the cylinder to get it to work some). 
> Then
> bleed at the slave as usual.
>
> Or, what usually works for me is to just pump up the clutch, hold it for a
> moment, then release the pedal.  Wait 10 seconds, repeat.  Usually 4 or 5
> repetitions will get it close enough to be driveable, then the remainder
> will work itself out.
>
> Another approach, which I haven't tried on a clutch yet, is to open the
> bleed screw at the slave and let it bleed by gravity.  Worked slick on my
> front calipers, though.  It's slower of course, the fluid doesn't run very
> fast just by gravity, but it was quicker than waiting for the wife to get
> home.
>
> -- Randall
>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 10 16:22:34 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:22:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <E44064A313954348945E09CA0C2BF2C1@DaveLaptop>
References: <E44064A313954348945E09CA0C2BF2C1@DaveLaptop>
Message-ID: <041901cc879b$1c37c780$54a75680$@rr.com>

I haven't tried it, but the maker warns it will take the finish off of
aluminum (which I interpret as etching the surface).
http://www.jelmar.com/faq.htm

Are your carbs really crusted with calcium, lime or rust?

-- Randall 

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Mon Oct 10 17:23:23 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:23:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fw:  Cleaning alluminum castings
Message-ID: <64916A5FA925458FAF15CEA021B46889@DaveLaptop>

Not sure if this went out or not so I am resending it. Sorry to bomb the 
list..
Dave Connitt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Connitt" <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings


> Has anybody ever used CLR to clean aluminum castings? I am planning on
> rebuilding my SU's over the winter and prefer the "new" casting look to
> polished "chrome like" finishes. I have an old set of Zenith-Stromburg's I 
> can
> try it on but thought I would ask you guys too.
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
> http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a
>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 10 17:36:47 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:36:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] Rug Rat Seats in TR's
In-Reply-To: <1DA23299-BCD4-4778-BC80-5525E437BBEE@roadrunner.com>
References: <1DA23299-BCD4-4778-BC80-5525E437BBEE@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <044201cc87a5$7af85370$70e8fa50$@rr.com>

> Are vintage cars exempt?

Kids under 6 must have an appropriate (federally approved for kid's weight,
height & age) child or booster seat.  However, they are allowed to ride in
the front seat when there is no rear seat or the child seat cannot be
properly installed in the back (and no air bag).

-- Randall 

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Mon Oct 10 18:31:32 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:31:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
In-Reply-To: <343BC919191543BE92BA20C93744DD43@valued9cfc0b6f>
Message-ID: <4E935624.17443.28C3D33A@localhost>

I know I'm late to this conversation but I'll toss in my experience 
anyway.  I've always bled my clutch in situ, not on the bench.  In 
fact, it would be difficult to install a GT6 or Spitfire SC with the 
line attached.  So bleeding then installing isn't practical.

I just use an appropriate length stick pressed on the pedal and 
wedged against the seat back.  Then run over to the other side of the 
car and crack open the bleeder valve with a socket on a long 
extension.  Then go back over and re-pressurize the pedal, etc.  
Repeat as necessary.

It's easier than convincing Sharon to help out.

-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 10 18:35:41 2011
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 19:35:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <041901cc879b$1c37c780$54a75680$@rr.com>
References: <E44064A313954348945E09CA0C2BF2C1@DaveLaptop>
	<041901cc879b$1c37c780$54a75680$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <A06FF2112F9A4106A1792E6E5CDA1CA1@ranteer.local>

this almost sounds rhetorical - carb cleaner does pretty well, along with 
ultra fine steel wool


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 5:22 PM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings

> I haven't tried it, but the maker warns it will take the finish off of
> aluminum (which I interpret as etching the surface).
> http://www.jelmar.com/faq.htm
>
> Are your carbs really crusted with calcium, lime or rust?
>
> -- Randall

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Mon Oct 10 19:20:41 2011
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 20:20:41 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] Lucas fuel conditioner for ethanol and Stabil for fuel
 preservation
Message-ID: <1794189703.7529041.1318296042074.JavaMail.root@vznit170076>

List,

So, I am making the switch to Brad Penn motor oil since TRF is now selling it.  I have been using ZDDP with Castrol 20W/50, figured I would make this change.  Don't want to start any discussion on that topic!

I am using Shell gasoline in my 72 Triumph TR6 which is 10% ethanoyl.  I have replaced all fuel lines with replacements from Moss.  Since TRF appears to have done some testing on the conditioner, I have started using it during the year.

My question is, each winter when I get ready to store the TR, I have been placing Stabil in the tank to keep the fuel from gumming up.  In all my motors, I either run them dry or use it.  Never had an issue.

My question is, does the conditioner substitute for the Stabil, and if not, any issue with using them together?

Thanks,

Craig 
1972 Triumph TR6
Vienna, VA 

From davidt at opentext.com  Mon Oct 10 20:05:10 2011
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:05:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
References: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0296F12A@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>
Message-ID: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D152@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>


From davidt at opentext.com  Mon Oct 10 20:12:25 2011
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:12:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spitfire on PanAm
Message-ID: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D153@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>

/9pPLDv: Permission denied

From trdoctor at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 20:17:51 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 21:17:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR] Wheel Polishing Question
Message-ID: <B8CF4B88-F85E-47FA-811F-C85890FB1CB2@aol.com>

You might try a local body shop.  My wife had a fender bender a couple of week
ago where they hit her in the front wheel and bent the suspension among other
things.  It really scarred the forged aluminum wheel.  I figured that they
would have to replace the wheel.  The body shop sent to a place in Texas that
specializes in restoring these type of things.  It came back immaculate.  Not
sure of the cost since insurance picked it up but it might be worth a look.

Sam

From zoboherald at aol.com  Mon Oct 10 21:12:09 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:12:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] clutch bleeding
In-Reply-To: <4E935624.17443.28C3D33A@localhost>
References: <4E935624.17443.28C3D33A@localhost>
Message-ID: <8CE55DAB26F4279-101C-98EE6@webmail-d135.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----

From: Jim Muller <jimmuller at rcn.com>


I know I'm late to this conversation but I'll toss in my experience
anyway.  I've always bled my clutch in situ, not on the bench.  In
fact, it would be difficult to install a GT6 or Spitfire SC with the
line attached.

==AM==
Funny you should mention that, Jim, 'cause I did exactly that once, many years
ago. I was trying to
track down a clutch problem with an early Spitfire 4 and thought it might be
related to the hydraulics.
At the time, I had a Herald that had recently been sidelined (after contact
with a Plymouth that ran a
red light). I pulled the clutch master and slave out of the Herald, still
connected to each other, and
tried it in the Spitfire. Being basically the same architecture, it fit
perfectly and wasn't that hard to do.
Unfortunately, it wasn't the problem, but.... :)

--Andy Mace

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Tue Oct 11 06:20:37 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:20:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] 3 brake pedal springs
References: <7459DE696B9D4E5187CA28487C0BA6A5@DELL05639>
	<00a001cc8623$273cdfe0$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <1246BDEC160F4ECF8A722CAFF63AB92D@DELL05639>

Thanks to Bill and Randall for pointing me in the right direction.
Paul


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Paul Dorsey'" <dorpaul at bellsouth.net>; <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:31 PM
Subject: RE: [TR] 3 brake pedal springs


>> For some reason, the pushrod refuses to plunge within the new 
>> master cylinder.
> 
> Could it be stopping because the brakes are applied?
> 
>> However, with nothing
>> attached to it, the pedal still doesn't spring up toward the driver.
> 
> It should take practically nothing to move the pedal with it disconnected
> ... sounds to me as though the pivot pin inside the pedal assembly has
> gotten rusty in spite of the "adequate lube".  I would pull it apart
> (again).
> 
> -- Randall  

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 09:34:31 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 08:34:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
In-Reply-To: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D152@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>
References: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0296F12A@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>
	<A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D152@OTWLMX04.opentext.net>
Message-ID: <1318347271.8173.YahooMailNeo@web120210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
it turned up in the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a lot.
and now back to dancing with the stars!
Frank


________________________________
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm




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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 11:57:38 2011
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:57:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1318355858.87467.YahooMailNeo@web113811.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi guys,

It didn't see the first part of the question, but my TR3A was in Pan
Am. It wasn't in the London scenes, because London is RHD.  I used my Daimler
on one of the London episodes, but haven't seen it yet.  I used the Triumph in
"Italy", which was Long Island, NY and "Germany", which was in Manhattan.  I
did a lot on driving in Men in Black 3, so when it comes out, she should be
seen in it.

Ann

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 11:59:19 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:59:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR_3_on_PanAm?=
Message-ID: <20111011175924.D566A18766D@autox.team.net>

Are there any "stars" on there any more?  :-)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
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To: "David Templeton" <davidt at opentext.com>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 10:34


i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
it turned up in the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a lot.
and now back to dancing with the stars!
Frank


________________________________
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm




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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 12:47:15 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:47:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Message-ID: <1318358835.69726.YahooMailNeo@web120220.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

only the stars in my eyes as i watch enviously!
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>; David Templeton
<davidt at opentext.com>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm


Are
there any "stars" on there any more?  :-)

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<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011
10:34


i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
it turned up in
the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a
lot.
and now back to dancing with the stars!
Frank
________________________________
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject:
[TR] TR 3 on PanAm




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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Oct 11 13:03:30 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:03:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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Don't we have any TR3's in Gremany?

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 11, 2011, at 10:34 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
> it turned up in the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the
German episode a lot.
> and now back to dancing with the stars!
> Frank
>
>
> ________________________________
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> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
> Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Tue Oct 11 13:18:26 2011
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 15:18:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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Somewhat off subject but I have to say this......

This is one of those shows that people react differently to........ our very 
good friend's 18 year old daughter was on Pan Am 103 that was blown up over 
Lockerbie so when I saw that there was going to be a TV show named Pan 
Am........ I was outraged as were they and all of the other families 
affected by the bombing. The network could have chosen any name for the 
show, including a fictional airline name but they chose to capitalize on 
their name "recognition".  It's bad enough that the families never know when 
the picture of the Pan Am nose section crushed on the ground will show up on 
their TV to wreck their day but now they have to put up with advertisements 
for the show. One of the famous pictures from that tragedy was of a 
Christmas nutcracker (the ones that look like a soldier) half buried in the 
mud of the Lockerbie field. That nutcracker belonged to Tricia and was to be 
a Christmas present for her parents. Eventually it was given to them and 
they gave it to me to restore, as best I could. Holding that item in my hand 
was an unnerving experience that I'll never forget. Here's hoping the 
ratings for the show suck and it'll be off the air real soon.

Bob


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
1975 TR6 with:
Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed
Nissan Diff & CVJs



-----Original Message----- 
From: Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:34 AM
To: David Templeton
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm

i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
it turned up in the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the 
German episode a lot.
and now back to dancing with the stars!
Frank


________________________________
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 13:57:27 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 12:57:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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the TV show is set in the mid 1960's and has lots of period correct cars for
the USA and Britain.
this weeks episode had them flying to Berlin for
Kennedy's famous address there.
the very nice looking red TR3 is seen many
times. a couple times in the background as drive by traffic and a really good
shot of it parked outside the embassy.
in reality i doubt there where any
TR3's in Berlin during that period, maybe one? 
having served Hollywood with
easy to destruct glazing products i have come to see how they work. they will
do research into period correctness and then to save bucks and amount of props
they have to use, they will keep reusing assuming most viewers will not
notice.
for us triumph heads (all 4 of us that watch the show) they figure it
will all wash out
 


________________________________
From: Wbeech
<wbeech at flash.net>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: David Templeton
<davidt at opentext.com>; "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Don't we have any TR3's in Gremany?

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 11, 2011,
at 10:34 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i was about to ask
the list if its owner is one of us?
> it turned up in the first episode in
"London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a lot.
> and now back
to dancing with the stars!
> Frank
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
> Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
> 
> 
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 14:01:19 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:01:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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Ann
how wonderful. congratulations your car looks spectacular.
in the London
scene it was impossible to tell if the car was rh or lh drive as it was far
background and just part of traffic driving by.
so good to know its yours
and
now back to the cardassians.


________________________________
From: Ann
Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net"
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject:
[TR] (no subject)

Hi guys,

It didn't see the first part of the question, but
my TR3A was in Pan
Am. It wasn't in the London scenes, because London is RHD. 
I used my Daimler
on one of the London episodes, but haven't seen it yet.  I
used the Triumph in
"Italy", which was Long Island, NY and "Germany", which
was in Manhattan.  I
did a lot on driving in Men in Black 3, so when it comes
out, she should be
seen in it.

Ann


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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 14:38:58 2011
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 13:38:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1318365538.98427.YahooMailNeo@web113803.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

There will be another Triumph on Pan Am when they air the London episode.  I
had never seen one like it before.  It only said TRIUMPH on the car and I
couldn't find any other markings. It was a 4 door station wagon and it was RHD
and I think it was a light aqua color, but I'm not positive.  The show is set
in '63, so it's a model earlier than '63.

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Oct 11 15:46:35 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:46:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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I feel bad for those families that have to see that reminder.  Looks like the
ratings are dropping fast, doubt it will make it to the end of the season.


Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:18 PM, "Bob Danielson" <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org>
wrote:

> Somewhat off subject but I have to say this......
>
> This is one of those shows that people react differently to........ our very
good friend's 18 year old daughter was on Pan Am 103 that was blown up over
Lockerbie so when I saw that there was going to be a TV show named Pan
Am........ I was outraged as were they and all of the other families affected
by the bombing. The network could have chosen any name for the show, including
a fictional airline name but they chose to capitalize on their name
"recognition".  It's bad enough that the families never know when the picture
of the Pan Am nose section crushed on the ground will show up on their TV to
wreck their day but now they have to put up with advertisements for the show.
One of the famous pictures from that tragedy was of a Christmas nutcracker
(the ones that look like a soldier) half buried in the mud of the Lockerbie
field. That nutcracker belonged to Tricia and was to be a Christmas present
for her parents. Eventually it was given to them and they gave it to me to
restore, as best I could. Holding that item in my hand was an unnerving
experience that I'll never forget. Here's hoping the ratings for the show suck
and it'll be off the air real soon.
>
> Bob
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
> 1975 TR6 with:
> Throttle Body Injection
> Toyota 5 Speed
> Nissan Diff & CVJs
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher
> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 11:34 AM
> To: David Templeton
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
>
> i was about to ask the list if its owner is one of us?
> it turned up in the first episode in "London" as it drove by, but was in the
German episode a lot.
> and now back to dancing with the stars!
> Frank
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
> Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Oct 11 16:30:36 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:30:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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 Ann, what you're describing sounds like a Triumph 10 Estate Wagon. However,
that Triumph branding was pretty much only for North America. In the UK and
Europe, they were Standard Companions!



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:26 pm
Subject: [TR] (no subject)


There will be another Triumph on Pan Am when they air the London episode.  I
had never seen one like it before.  It only said TRIUMPH on the car and I
couldn't find any other markings. It was a 4 door station wagon and it was
RHD
and I think it was a light aqua color, but I'm not positive.  The show is set
in '63, so it's a model earlier than '63.

From adrianjones747 at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 11 16:43:47 2011
From: adrianjones747 at earthlink.net (Adrian Jones)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:43:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Carbs
Message-ID: <002901cc8867$3d641540$b82c3fc0$@net>

Hi folks,

You are not going to believe this but, the PO had spray painted the carbs
shiny gray.  For the coup d'elegance, he then painted the brass damper caps
bright red.

Since one of them was leaking fuel all over the place anyway, I dismantled
them and soaked all the parts in a big can of carb cleaner.  I mention this
because this big can came from a regular FLAPS, so it's proper stuff to
clean the carbs, maybe a gallon?

This operation took a week, clean some parts, go to work, come home, clean
some more parts, etc.

Re-assembled with a repair kit.  Now both carbs were leaking.  Ha!  Randall
put me right and said the cork O-rings (they got a funny name, can't recall,
right now) should be soaked in engine oil overnight.

Anyways, that was a decade ago and they have been A-OK since.

So I'd use the proper stuff if I was you.

Cheers!

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue Oct 11 18:23:17 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:23:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <041901cc879b$1c37c780$54a75680$@rr.com>
References: <E44064A313954348945E09CA0C2BF2C1@DaveLaptop>
	<041901cc879b$1c37c780$54a75680$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <F0423E8E9DBD4B8BB1DA357FEF3CE02D@DaveLaptop>

Well,
I wouldn't say they are crusted with anything but I was looking for a way to 
lightly etch the outer surface to try and bring back that new casting look. 
I am not a big fan of polished carb bodies. I thought I read on the list 
where someone had used CLR to clean a set of rear brake adjusters and they 
turned out looking brand new.
I have a old set of Zenith-Stromburgs that I could experiment on. I just 
want to do the outside surfaces.
I'll check out the link you sent.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randall" <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings


>I haven't tried it, but the maker warns it will take the finish off of
> aluminum (which I interpret as etching the surface).
> http://www.jelmar.com/faq.htm
>
> Are your carbs really crusted with calcium, lime or rust?
>
> -- Randall
>
>
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From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 11 18:40:45 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 19:40:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=28no_subject=29?=
Message-ID: <20111012004052.46B2418764C@autox.team.net>

Ok guys....minutia time!
Where did the name "Triumph" come from?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
To: <anncarletta at yahoo.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
Date: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 17:30


 Ann, what you're describing sounds like a Triumph 10 Estate Wagon. However,
that Triumph branding was pretty much only for North America. In the UK and
Europe, they were Standard Companions!



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 6:26 pm
Subject: [TR] (no subject)


There will be another Triumph on Pan Am when they air the London episode.  I
had never seen one like it before.  It only said TRIUMPH on the car and I
couldn't find any other markings. It was a 4 door station wagon and it was
RHD
and I think it was a light aqua color, but I'm not positive.  The show is set
in '63, so it's a model earlier than '63.


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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Tue Oct 11 19:58:03 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:58:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Carbs
In-Reply-To: <002901cc8867$3d641540$b82c3fc0$@net>
References: <002901cc8867$3d641540$b82c3fc0$@net>
Message-ID: <88052AAAE1B042ACBCCB2B61E0C4FEFE@DaveLaptop>

Hi Adrian,
You are right. I was just looking for a real good cleaner. I am also 
planning on getting a gallon of the stuff and just letting the parts soak. I 
am months away from starting the car so there is no real hurry. By the way, 
what is a FLAP?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a 

From fishplate at charter.net  Tue Oct 11 21:39:01 2011
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:39:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] (no subject)
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References: <20111012004052.46B2418764C@autox.team.net>
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On 10/11/2011 8:40 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> Ok guys....minutia time!
> Where did the name "Triumph" come from?

Because it always takes three grunts to get it rolling fast enough to 
push-start it?

From clarkja34 at netscape.net  Tue Oct 11 21:40:47 2011
From: clarkja34 at netscape.net (clarkja34 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 23:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR4A exhaust manifold
Message-ID: <8CE56A7DCACC1A6-1784-EE43@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com>

Hi
I require a good used Triumph TR4A  exhaust manifold with the Double Down Pipe
as mine has developed a crack.
If you have one for sale please contact Jim Clark at  clarkja34 at netscape.net
Please let me know the price and availability and also where you are located.
I am willing to pay a reasonable price. Thanking you in advance

See Yah
Jim Clark

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 11 21:56:27 2011
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 20:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Carbs
Message-ID: <1318391787.27985.yint-ygo-j2me@web120527.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

FLAPS = Friendly Local Auto Parts Store.                                Chad in Tulsa
On Tue Oct 11th, 2011 8:58 PM CDT Dave Connitt wrote:

>Hi Adrian,
>You are right. I was just looking for a real good cleaner. I am also planning on getting a gallon of the stuff and just letting the parts soak. I am months away from starting the car so there is no real hurry. By the way, what is a FLAP?
>Thanks,
>Dave Connitt
>'67 TR4A IRS
>http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a 
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From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 12 03:20:34 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:20:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] Pan Am - and the cars in it
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As Andy Mace says, the four door wagon (Estate Car) could have been a Triumph
Ten / Standard Companion. It could also have been a Triumph 2000 Estate Car,
if the period is mid '60's. It might even have been a four Herald station
wagon that managed to reach 'England' from India - in which case I think it
would have been called a Standard Gazelle (?) :)
But is this programme a
history of Pan Am? 
If so, I sincerely hope they stop it before it's time to
stage 'Lockerbie.' 
That's something the families concerned could very well do
without and in much the same way the whole world could similarly do without
the TV programme or separate full length feature film of Fred & Rose West.
This heinous couple were the proven serial killers of eleven young girls who
they hacked into pieces and buried in their garden - and were also believed to
be (but not proven) killers of several other little girls. All this happened
less than 30 miles from where I live. Not so long ago, there was an advert in
our local paper from the film company particularly looking for a Datsun
260Z and a Mitsubishi Starion 'for important background shots in the film
about the Wests.'
Never mind about how the families of the children might
feel, "you've got to get the detail right." Sometimes, modern media is utterly
sickening by its insensitivity. Rant off.
 
Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk 

There will be another Triumph on Pan Am
when they air the London episode.  I
>had never seen one like it before.  It
only said TRIUMPH on the car and I
>couldn't find any other markings. It was a
4 door station wagon and it was
>RHD

From spook01 at comcast.net  Wed Oct 12 05:19:31 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 06:19:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Pan_Am_-_and_the_cars_in_it?=
Message-ID: <20111012111936.EE08F1878AB@autox.team.net>

The movie industry makes "stars" of murderers.
My grandfather took part in stopping the murderous Bonnie and Clyde.
He was really ticked at the way they were portrayed in the movie.
And so it goes...
Pan Am was going to be about the airline.. I thought.  The first one was good, but its becoming unbelievable in certain aspects.
I was sad the other day, riding in the hotel van, to see the famous Pan Am logo on a long haul truck.
Juan Tripp would have cried.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "John Macartney" <flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Pan Am - and the cars in it
Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 04:20


As Andy Mace says, the four door wagon (Estate Car) could have been a Triumph
Ten / Standard Companion. It could also have been a Triumph 2000 Estate Car,
if the period is mid '60's. It might even have been a four Herald station
wagon that managed to reach 'England' from India - in which case I think it
would have been called a Standard Gazelle (?) :)
But is this programme a
history of Pan Am? 
If so, I sincerely hope they stop it before it's time to
stage 'Lockerbie.' 
That's something the families concerned could very well do
without and in much the same way the whole world could similarly do without
the TV programme or separate full length feature film of Fred & Rose West.
This heinous couple were the proven serial killers of eleven young girls who
they hacked into pieces and buried in their garden - and were also believed to
be (but not proven) killers of several other little girls. All this happened
less than 30 miles from where I live. Not so long ago, there was an advert in
our local paper from the film company particularly looking for a Datsun
260Z and a Mitsubishi Starion 'for important background shots in the film
about the Wests.'
Never mind about how the families of the children might
feel, "you've got to get the detail right." Sometimes, modern media is utterly
sickening by its insensitivity. Rant off.
 
Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk 

There will be another Triumph on Pan Am
when they air the London episode.  I
>had never seen one like it before.  It
only said TRIUMPH on the car and I
>couldn't find any other markings. It was a
4 door station wagon and it was
>RHD


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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 12 05:32:41 2011
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:32:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Rug Rat Seats in TR's
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Hans-
 
It's never a mistake to enjoy your TR with young ones.
 
I drove my
son from Oklahoma to Pennsylvania in 2003 when he was 5 years old.  His car
seat fit fine in the TR6.  It was tight, but it fit.  I think it was evenflo
brand.
 
Chad in Tulsa

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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 4:46 PM
Subject: [TR]
Rug Rat Seats in TR's

I have 2 rug rats in the family (1 -3 yr and 1 - 5 yr.
old). I once made the mistake of giving them a short ride in my TR3 on the
local  private roads. Now I am being constantly being harassed for more,
longer and faster rides on public roads. I wonder what the legal ramifications
are in California when I  break down and relent to the pressure. I am sure
some of you on the list have been in the same situation. Are vintage cars
exempt? Are there seats available that are acceptable and fit in those narrow
bucket seats?
I have retractable lap-shoulder belts that actually fit, even
the 3 yr. old with a small booster seat, quite nicely.

Hans
TR3A
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From edwd at ti.com  Wed Oct 12 05:47:26 2011
From: edwd at ti.com (Fisher, Ed)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:47:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0420B9@DLEE01.ent.ti.com>

Sandblasting with plastic media, if that doesn't work try walnut shells.  I
wouldn't go with anything more aggressive than that though...  Start out away
from the piece and work your way closer until you get the desired finish.

Ed
Dallas, Tx

From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Wed Oct 12 07:44:21 2011
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 09:44:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0420B9@DLEE01.ent.ti.com>
References: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0420B9@DLEE01.ent.ti.com>
Message-ID: <476A84FD-E686-487A-A6D2-93779C7D62A7@aol.com>

I've used plastic media on Strombergs - works great - will bring back the
original look you want (I don't care for the polished look either)

Cheers
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:47 AM, "Fisher, Ed" <edwd at ti.com> wrote:

> Sandblasting with plastic media, if that doesn't work try walnut shells.  I
> wouldn't go with anything more aggressive than that though...  Start out
away
> from the piece and work your way closer until you get the desired finish.
>
> Ed
> Dallas, Tx
>
>
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From januaryw at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 09:01:14 2011
From: januaryw at gmail.com (January Williams)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:01:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] lister badge to pass on
Message-ID: <CAKejpkNHRKA5NjKbH+F33hk_qf1PUPALHEFV7TXRgAmMyDrciQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone want a 3" dia badge from this list for your car?
I've forgotten who made these, nice chrome badge with Triumph globe in
red/blue enamel, "TRIUMPH MAIL LIST" around top, "triumphs @ autox . team .
net" around bottom, with steel mounting plate, looks to be powder coated
black . . . if I recall correctly, was 25 bucks or so. Unused, perfect
condition, please contact me off list
January Williams  Salem, OR
(TR4A passed on, now miata)

From allenhess at mgcarclub.com  Wed Oct 12 10:45:17 2011
From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 12:45:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
Message-ID: <600F118A-295C-42D6-B90F-B28F6B0F4BA0@mgcarclub.com>

At the auto parts store I bought a spray bottle of aluminum wheel  
cleaner--this IS an ACID--the bottle says not for painted or coated  
wheels. I used it on aluminum wheels and it makes a beautiful color  
and finish, looks like it is fresh out of the mold, but it will again  
oxidize. So, I don't think the carbs are all aluminum and you should  
definitely test if you decide to try it.

Allen

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 12 14:19:22 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <600F118A-295C-42D6-B90F-B28F6B0F4BA0@mgcarclub.com>
References: <600F118A-295C-42D6-B90F-B28F6B0F4BA0@mgcarclub.com>
Message-ID: <1318450762.75468.YahooMailNeo@web120211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

don't remember where this thread started. 
but i just thought id remind you that if your cleaning up the pots on SU carbs, they are accurately machined inside as a matched pair for the piston.
bead blasting or corroding the inside will assuredly mess up your carb performance.
Frank


________________________________
From: Allen Hess <allenhess at mgcarclub.com>
To: dconnitt at fuse.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 9:45 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning alluminum castings

At the auto parts store I bought a spray bottle of aluminum wheel cleaner--this IS an ACID--the bottle says not for painted or coated wheels. I used it on aluminum wheels and it makes a beautiful color and finish, looks like it is fresh out of the mold, but it will again oxidize. So, I don't think the carbs are all aluminum and you should definitely test if you decide to try it.

Allen


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From spitlist at cox.net  Wed Oct 12 15:21:12 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:21:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] lister badge to pass on
In-Reply-To: <CAKejpkNHRKA5NjKbH+F33hk_qf1PUPALHEFV7TXRgAmMyDrciQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKejpkNHRKA5NjKbH+F33hk_qf1PUPALHEFV7TXRgAmMyDrciQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0E76AD5705B47C6B85236E62EFAEBB2@Vista>

I am the guilty party!

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of January Williams
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:01 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] lister badge to pass on

Anyone want a 3" dia badge from this list for your car?
I've forgotten who made these, nice chrome badge with Triumph globe in
red/blue enamel, "TRIUMPH MAIL LIST" around top, "triumphs @ autox . team .
net" around bottom, with steel mounting plate, looks to be powder coated
black . . . if I recall correctly, was 25 bucks or so. Unused, perfect
condition, please contact me off list
January Williams  Salem, OR
(TR4A passed on, now miata)


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From triosan at gmail.com  Wed Oct 12 17:26:12 2011
From: triosan at gmail.com (Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:26:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] Need rear trailing arms for TR6 -- Seattle-Tacoma area
Message-ID: <CAMc4sNBxC3yBsBRqGmipK9S18r+OWRteJpB7yset9PJobzttyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone in the area have a pair [or of immediate need, a left] trailing
arm for an IRS TR that they could sell,or lend me till I can arrange to get
one from out of town?

For that matter, does anyone on the list have the above they could shipto me
in Tacoma for arrival by next Wednesday?

Thanks,

-- 
Chuck Arnold

From mmarr at notwires.com  Thu Oct 13 10:37:19 2011
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:37:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spamerama
Message-ID: <C3995577DAEA4D45AF3FA90116FF46B7@trigeni.com>

Folks:

Apparently, my ISP's e-mail server was recently hi-jacked by a spambot and 
has been the source of much spam which may have shown up in your e-mail 
in-boxes.  They have established new incoming and outgoing mail servers and 
implemented better spam filters so the problem should now be fixed.  So, I 
am sorry if I have inadvertently contributed to the amount of spam you may 
have seen in recent weeks.  And now my posts will not be rejected, too, I 
hope!

Mike 

From douglasehamilton at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 13 10:43:44 2011
From: douglasehamilton at shaw.ca (Doug Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:43:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
Message-ID: <fbaa7ebf9d35.4e96c0e0@shaw.ca>

I bought a flat of 12 large boxes of baking soda at Costco and used it in my small bench top blast cabinet. This cost a lot less than a bag of blasting soda or any other blasting media. I have used this on my TR3's SU's, and my Fiat's weber the nice thing about soda blasting your carbs is you can clean every nook and cranny in the carb and not worry about the media getting stuck inside as it will dissolve with a quick bath in warm water when you are done. The finished product has about an 800 grit finish, as I look at the tower for my computer it's similar to the satin silver trim on the computer. When I'm done I like to spray aluminum and brass parts with "VHT Flame proof satin clear" it keeps the parts looking like new, but not over restored, and is very easy to keep clean.
Soda works great on stainless and chrome parts too as it cleans with out etching the harder surface.
My favorite use for it has been cleaning the electrical contacts in lamp housings before I use my Caswell brush plating kit to gold plate the electrical contacts pretty much eliminating future corrosion problems.
 
Doug Hamilton
1960 Triumph TR3A
1963 Fiat Cabriolet
 
Message: 9
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:47:26 +0000
From: "Fisher, Ed" <edwd at ti.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0420B9 at DLEE01.ent.ti.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Sandblasting with plastic media, if that doesn't work try walnut shells.  I
wouldn't go with anything more aggressive than that though...  Start out away
from the piece and work your way closer until you get the desired finish.

Ed
Dallas, Tx

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 11:39:47 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 10:39:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] lister badge to pass on
In-Reply-To: <F0E76AD5705B47C6B85236E62EFAEBB2@Vista>
References: <CAKejpkNHRKA5NjKbH+F33hk_qf1PUPALHEFV7TXRgAmMyDrciQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F0E76AD5705B47C6B85236E62EFAEBB2@Vista>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bHUwUkRVv_9yviRqVNKwC5gU0scS6BQoWUL1vs2X6B7TA@mail.gmail.com>

And a very fine badge it is...

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/TRMailListBadge.jpg



On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

> I am the guilty party!
>
> Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: [TR] lister badge to pass on
>
> Anyone want a 3" dia badge from this list for your car?
> I've forgotten who made these, nice chrome badge with Triumph globe in
> red/blue enamel, "TRIUMPH MAIL LIST" around top...

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Oct 13 12:38:42 2011
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 13:38:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
In-Reply-To: <fbaa7ebf9d35.4e96c0e0@shaw.ca>
References: <fbaa7ebf9d35.4e96c0e0@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAgP7H6_cgTqZ93e6bVLbBSfP5vOkNBcHG7eX81ReCtWA@mail.gmail.com>

X2 on baking soda -- normal stuff bought at the store (especially in the
bulk packs at Costco) in a simple sandblaster like my thirty year old
Craftsman.  Gentle and super results.  Worked beautifully on my TR3B fuel
pump the other day.

Don
TR3B TSF202L

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Doug Hamilton <douglasehamilton at shaw.ca>wrote:

> I bought a flat of 12 large boxes of baking soda at Costco and used it in
> my small bench top blast cabinet. This cost a lot less than a bag of
> blasting soda or any other blasting media. I have used this on my TR3's
> SU's, and my Fiat's weber the nice thing about soda blasting your carbs is
> you can clean every nook and cranny in the carb and not worry about the
> media getting stuck inside as it will dissolve with a quick bath in warm
> water when you are done. The finished product has about an 800 grit finish,
> as I look at the tower for my computer it's similar to the satin silver trim
> on the computer. When I'm done I like to spray aluminum and brass parts with
> "VHT Flame proof satin clear" it keeps the parts looking like new, but not
> over restored, and is very easy to keep clean.
> Soda works great on stainless and chrome parts too as it cleans with out
> etching the harder surface.
> My favorite use for it has been cleaning the electrical contacts in lamp
> housings before I use my Caswell brush plating kit to gold plate the
> electrical contacts pretty much eliminating future corrosion problems.
>
> Doug Hamilton
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
> 1963 Fiat Cabriolet
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:47:26 +0000
> From: "Fisher, Ed" <edwd at ti.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] cleaning aluminum castings
> Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0420B9 at DLEE01.ent.ti.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Sandblasting with plastic media, if that doesn't work try walnut shells.  I
> wouldn't go with anything more aggressive than that though...  Start out
> away
> from the piece and work your way closer until you get the desired finish.
>
> Ed
> Dallas, Tx
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From guy at genfiniti.com  Thu Oct 13 15:31:49 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 16:31:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Early Driving
Message-ID: <002A930B-496C-4E8A-8750-A7905F40F7B2@genfiniti.com>

All,

I've got about 300 miles on the car so far, and am loving it!!
I am sticking to the principle of driving it on nice weather days, to safe
parking lots.
Lot's of nice days here in north Texas the past couple of weeks.

One of the great things about having it out is the kids.
I'll take the car to pick my kids up from school, and it always seems to
attract a lot of attention.
Its giving me a chance to share the car, a lot of history and a little
kindness.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Thu Oct 13 17:52:43 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:52:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Early Driving
In-Reply-To: <002A930B-496C-4E8A-8750-A7905F40F7B2@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <4E97418B.24858.381343A1@localhost>

On 13 Oct 2011 at 16:31, G.D. Huggins wrote:

> I am sticking to the principle of driving it on nice weather
> days, to safe parking lots.

Why would you want to drive to parking lots?  I prefer open roads...

:-)

-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 13 18:55:44 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 18:55:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TR] Team.Net service
Message-ID: <20111014005544.771B52E0AD@bradakis.com>

First off let me thank those of you who took advantage of the link
at http://www.team.net/donate.html to contribute to the cause.  I'll
be working on individual thank you notes later.

Now that I have your money, Team.Net is going away, I'm shutting it
off tomorrow morning.

Okay, relax, it is only temporary.  The local power company will be
doing some maintenence and repairs in the area friday, October 14th.
Rather than risk frying some crucial piece of hardware due to random
power flucuations I'll be shutting down the servers in the morning
before I go to work.  I'll be bringing them back up friday evening
when the power line work is done.

So the email lists, amazingly outdated web pages, forum and such
will be down for most of the day.  All services should be back on
the air late friday, so be patient.

Too bad I'm not ready to cut over to the new server, this would be
a good time to do so.  Oh well, so it goes.

Thank you for your patience.

mjb.

From rsuncloud at aol.com  Thu Oct 13 22:49:59 2011
From: rsuncloud at aol.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:49:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
In-Reply-To: <1318363047.57566.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0296F12A@OTWLMX04.opentext.net><A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D152@OTWLMX04.opentext.net><1318347271.8173.YahooMailNeo@web120210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><EB4B0E82-3EC6-44A9-9024-DA5B2EB24B00@flash.net>
	<1318363047.57566.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE5843DC978752-13A0-20A19@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com>

 I was in Ireland last week and looked all over for a Tr of any sort and saw
nothing but new cars




Another day in Paradise, Bob





-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm


the TV show is set in the mid 1960's and has lots of period correct cars for
the USA and Britain.
this weeks episode had them flying to Berlin for
Kennedy's famous address there.
the very nice looking red TR3 is seen many
times. a couple times in the background as drive by traffic and a really good
shot of it parked outside the embassy.
in reality i doubt there where any
TR3's in Berlin during that period, maybe one?
having served Hollywood with
easy to destruct glazing products i have come to see how they work. they will
do research into period correctness and then to save bucks and amount of
props
they have to use, they will keep reusing assuming most viewers will not
notice.
for us triumph heads (all 4 of us that watch the show) they figure it
will all wash out



________________________________
From: Wbeech
<wbeech at flash.net>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: David Templeton
<davidt at opentext.com>; "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Don't we have any TR3's in Gremany?

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 11, 2011,
at 10:34 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i was about to ask
the list if its owner is one of us?
> it turned up in the first episode in
"London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a lot.
> and now back
to dancing with the stars!
> Frank
>
>
> ________________________________
>
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
> Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
>
>
>
>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Oct 14 07:24:49 2011
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 09:24:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
In-Reply-To: <8CE5843DC978752-13A0-20A19@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com>
References: <A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0296F12A@OTWLMX04.opentext.net><A5E4DAC12880AD45AA023CA387C7F42B0178D152@OTWLMX04.opentext.net><1318347271.8173.YahooMailNeo@web120210.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><EB4B0E82-3EC6-44A9-9024-DA5B2EB24B00@flash.net><1318363047.57566.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<8CE5843DC978752-13A0-20A19@angweb-usm005.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0B0902D64C7F4991B8FCE6700A0D74E7@DCH6RFC1>

And with gas at what - $10 a gallon? - all the cars are tiny.

Andrew Uprichard
Formerly of the Emerald Isle

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:50 AM
To: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com; wbeech at flash.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm

 I was in Ireland last week and looked all over for a Tr of any sort and saw
nothing but new cars




Another day in Paradise, Bob





-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: Wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Oct 11, 2011 2:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm


the TV show is set in the mid 1960's and has lots of period correct cars for
the USA and Britain.
this weeks episode had them flying to Berlin for
Kennedy's famous address there.
the very nice looking red TR3 is seen many
times. a couple times in the background as drive by traffic and a really
good
shot of it parked outside the embassy.
in reality i doubt there where any
TR3's in Berlin during that period, maybe one?
having served Hollywood with
easy to destruct glazing products i have come to see how they work. they
will
do research into period correctness and then to save bucks and amount of
props
they have to use, they will keep reusing assuming most viewers will not
notice.
for us triumph heads (all 4 of us that watch the show) they figure it
will all wash out



________________________________
From: Wbeech
<wbeech at flash.net>
To: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
Cc: David Templeton
<davidt at opentext.com>; "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
Don't we have any TR3's in Gremany?

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 11, 2011,
at 10:34 AM, Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> i was about to ask
the list if its owner is one of us?
> it turned up in the first episode in
"London" as it drove by, but was in the German episode a lot.
> and now back
to dancing with the stars!
> Frank
>
>
> ________________________________
>
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>
Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:05 PM
> Subject: [TR] TR 3 on PanAm
>
>
>
>
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From diggle at clear.net.nz  Sat Oct 15 01:13:20 2011
From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 20:13:20 +1300
Subject: [TR] Wet liners and pumps
Message-ID: <4e993290.37e.c70.20482@clear.net.nz>

I took the engine out to detail the engine bay, so I had my
engines checked over whilst it was out.
I was hoping for an very little wear as it had been recond
20,000 mile ago (30years ago).
The liners, pistons, rings and oil pump were were supposedly
replaced.
I am lucky that my friend reconditions engines for a living.
I took the engine apart in his workshop and found a broken
tensioner and sloppy timing chain, the crankshaft and
bearings were excellent condition and the liner bores looked
to also be in pristine condition before removel.
When we removed the pistons we found that the rings had not
been gapped properly resulting in one broken ring and ring
flutter on all the top compression rings. 
My friend thinks that in fact the oil pump was not replaced
but maybe just overhauled as it is in poor condition.
Also he thinks that the liners were not replaced but bored
out to 87mm with new pistons  and rings, the proof was the
corrosion on the liners.
Two questions: how do I check how much metal is left on the
liners in the pitted areas.
How confident are you about the new pumps and or repair kits
sold by Moss and TRF.

Any help appreciated and thankyou for past info.

Jim and his 1962 TR4

From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Oct 15 11:12:27 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:12:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fw: Help     Triumph throws (blankets)
Message-ID: <1731FE4090F34334A29C86AF5D9D172D@DCS78M81>

From: THOMAS FANSHER
To: Triumphs
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:55 PM
Subject: Help Triumph throws (blankets)


Ashford Little (Georgia Club) called and asked where the Triumph throw
(blanket) that he bought at Auction at one of the
Southeast Regional VTR events.
I can't remember, actually I can't remember much about most of the auctions.
Except that they are a lot of fun.
I think they are from the vendor that has the nice polo type shirts,  caps
with the logos, etc.
This is not a cheap shot for promotion of anyone. Just need the information.
TIA
Tom

From spamiam at comcast.net  Sat Oct 15 13:30:50 2011
From: spamiam at comcast.net (spamiam at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:30:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] Moving to Massachusetts
Message-ID: <0F349F53BDCD4CC9B2787CB69FB2C6EC@I7Quad>

Listers,

I am moving to Massachusetts soon.  I took a quick look at the DMV website to
see what rules they have.  I didnbt see what I was looking for immediately,
so I thought it might be faster to ask here.

I have a 1980 TR7 with a modified exhaust system, carb, and emissions system.
I have exhaust headers, and no catalytic converter, stainless pipes, no
intermediate muffler.  I also removed the air pump and related plumbing.  I
have SU carbs and a disconnected (but still in place) evaporative emissions
plumbing.  The car is registered in PA as bAntiqueb.  No registration
renewals, no yearly inspection are required.

I also have a 1967 TR4A that is fully stock, also with bantiqueb
registration.

What sort of registration options do I have in MA, and what are the inspection
and renewal requirements?  Is there anything similar to the PA bantiqueb
registration?

I am on the digest mode, so please reply directly to me too.

-Tony

From rjones at wfeca.net  Sat Oct 15 14:02:36 2011
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:02:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fw: Help     Triumph throws (blankets)
In-Reply-To: <1731FE4090F34334A29C86AF5D9D172D@DCS78M81>
References: <1731FE4090F34334A29C86AF5D9D172D@DCS78M81>
Message-ID: <D84B4629-9457-4C19-90C4-C7238708B6E9@wfeca.net>

They came from the Lederman-Rupp Co.  The guy that always came to all the VTR
and RF events was Larry Rupp from Clover (?) South Carolina.  I have one of
everything he sold including two different blankets.  Larry used to offer a
lifetime warranty on his jackets.  I remember he traded me a larger on for
mine when it shrunk (or I grew).  He used to stay in close touch with Charles
at TRF but everyone lost touch with him a few years ago. He had the finest
quality clothing available.   I hope he's still living but I couldn't find out
from a web search.

Bob Jones

On Oct 15, 2011, at 12:12 PM, THOMAS FANSHER wrote:

> From: THOMAS FANSHER
> To: Triumphs
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 6:55 PM
> Subject: Help Triumph throws (blankets)
>
>
> Ashford Little (Georgia Club) called and asked where the Triumph throw
> (blanket) that he bought at Auction at one of the
> Southeast Regional VTR events.
> I can't remember, actually I can't remember much about most of the
auctions.
> Except that they are a lot of fun.
> I think they are from the vendor that has the nice polo type shirts,  caps
> with the logos, etc.
> This is not a cheap shot for promotion of anyone. Just need the
information.
> TIA
> Tom
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Oct 15 14:29:12 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:29:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fw: Help     Triumph throws (blankets)
References: <1731FE4090F34334A29C86AF5D9D172D@DCS78M81>
	<005401cc8b77$cac37d00$604a7700$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <5CF12885C6A24806A32D3F03D6D93C37@DCS78M81>

Thanks to Chad, Tom, Robert and James.
Have a great weekend
Tom

From davewillner at pa.net  Sat Oct 15 14:32:10 2011
From: davewillner at pa.net (davewillner)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 16:32:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Clutch Improvement
Message-ID: <D92B6C88673841B5BC353016E4B8DF9C@valued9cfc0b6f>

Wow, what a difference when you pay attention the second time around and
install the slave correctly with the bleeder on the top. I apparently took the
read quickly once, install twice route...but all is back to normal...

Dave Willner
Stroudsburg PA
59 TR3A
70 MGB
70 BSA 441 VS

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Sat Oct 15 20:38:50 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 22:38:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] Moving to Massachusetts
In-Reply-To: <0F349F53BDCD4CC9B2787CB69FB2C6EC@I7Quad>
Message-ID: <4E9A0B7A.18772.5A64760@localhost>

On 15 Oct 2011 at 15:30, spamiam at comcast.net wrote:

> What sort of registration options do I have in MA, and what are the
> inspection and renewal requirements?  Is there anything similar to
> the PA b antiqueb  registration?

Welcome in advance to Massachusetts!

I can't speak about antique registration because my cars all have 
regular registration.  However the state does have an antique plate 
policy and I believe it allows you to drive the car only on weekends 
and to special events, or something like that.

Cars with regular plates must be inspected once a year.  For an older 
car like yours (and my '80 Spitfire) the inspection does not include 
emissions but it does include most safety items.  I don't know if it 
requires a catalyst if the car had one originally, but it doesn't 
require the air pump and stuff like that.  Frankly, it is less formal 
for thinkgs like headlight aiming than I used to go through back in 
Virginia before I moved here in '75.

Hope this helps.

Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sat Oct 15 22:01:15 2011
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 00:01:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Moving to Massachusetts
In-Reply-To: <0F349F53BDCD4CC9B2787CB69FB2C6EC@I7Quad>
References: <0F349F53BDCD4CC9B2787CB69FB2C6EC@I7Quad>
Message-ID: <BC4BAD8EBAFB4DC99E30F3BAA11560EA@DellLaptop>

Main page of my site has a section called "Tags & Title Toolbox" that might 
help................it covers all the states

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/

Bob Danielson

-----Original Message----- 
From: spamiam at comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 3:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Moving to Massachusetts

Listers,

I am moving to Massachusetts soon.  I took a quick look at the DMV website 
to
see what rules they have.  I didnbt see what I was looking for immediately,
so I thought it might be faster to ask here.

I have a 1980 TR7 with a modified exhaust system, carb, and emissions 
system.
I have exhaust headers, and no catalytic converter, stainless pipes, no
intermediate muffler.  I also removed the air pump and related plumbing.  I
have SU carbs and a disconnected (but still in place) evaporative emissions
plumbing.  The car is registered in PA as b
Antiqueb
.  No registration
renewals, no yearly inspection are required.

I also have a 1967 TR4A that is fully stock, also with b
antiqueb

registration.

What sort of registration options do I have in MA, and what are the 
inspection
and renewal requirements?  Is there anything similar to the PA b
antiqueb

registration?

I am on the digest mode, so please reply directly to me too.

-Tony


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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 16 10:36:34 2011
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:36:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Early TR4 valve cover
Message-ID: <1460768322.1092009.1318782994608.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

List, 



If the person looking for an early TR4 valve cover is still in need, please contact me off list. 



Ed Woods 

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sun Oct 16 13:05:11 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 14:05:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Early_TR4_valve_cover?=
Message-ID: <20111016190459.B7FA118764B@autox.team.net>

If anyone needs TR4 TR4a valve covers I have two.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net
To: "triumph list" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Early TR4 valve cover
Date: Sun, Oct 16, 2011 11:36


List, 



If the person looking for an early TR4 valve cover is still in need, please contact me off list. 



Ed Woods 


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From rjones at wfeca.net  Sun Oct 16 14:07:23 2011
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 15:07:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Towing
Message-ID: <A89677A5-F481-46B3-BE47-BF79C467119E@wfeca.net>

Would someone who hauls their car on a trailer please contact me off list at
rjones at wfeca.net.

I have a couple of questions.

Thanks

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Oct 16 18:27:39 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:27:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] scuttle vent cover
Message-ID: <7F536C857BDA43449C0CEA4FEC1EE451@DaveLaptop>

List,
I can't locate the cover that goes on the top of the tub. I think it is called
a scuttle vent? Does anybody have a spare? I think there is a hinge on one
side of it because there are tapped holes on the rear side of the hole the
cover goes into.
If someone out there has a spare cover, please contact me off list.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
dconnitt at fuse.net

From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Mon Oct 17 06:53:55 2011
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 05:53:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 on Parenthood
In-Reply-To: <1318617054.31535.YahooMailNeo@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <vbr34lvdfhsv5o4shueqomgd.1318561125516@email.android.com>
	<1318617054.31535.YahooMailNeo@web160301.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1318856035.87744.YahooMailNeo@web160318.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

 
I don't know word has gone out on this or not, but if any of you watch
NBC's show Parenthood, you've no doubt seen that there's a TR6 that gets a
fair amount of screen time some weeks.  It's a fairly ratty '75 or '76 - with
the wrong seats, car-color rear valance, and sometimes sports a fugly vinyl
hardtop.  It's owned by a character named Crosby, the well intentioned but
black-sheep son of the Braverman family.  


Last week however it did get to
drive around a bit as Crosby had to rush his sister in-law to the hospital as
she had just gone into labor.  Her water had just broke (although no harm
would come to that interior), and there was a joke made about her delivering
the baby in the car.  That I'd like to have seen.  

Joe Merone
South
Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed  

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Mon Oct 17 08:48:44 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:48:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH   THREE GENERATIONS
Message-ID: <8CE5AF300CA8F36-17A0-74D06@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>

We have had our TR3A for 27 years.  (Other TRIUMPHS before that and a vintage
racing TRIUMPH actively campaigned for the last 20 years.)

Saturday, my 16 year old grandson Brendan, removed the little used TR3A from
it's garage.

Sunday, my son Sean and I went to his office to review a couple new designs
and to discuss a forthcoming race.

Brendan took his new girlfriend for a fall ride in the TR3A.

When Sean and I returned to Sean's house, the TR3A was absolutely brilliant
looking with a coat of carefully applied and polished wax. Brendan had
wrenches out and was tinkering. The fall ride was a success.

When I asked Brendan when he was going to bring it back to Jesup, Sean said
that he planned to drive it to work the next couple of days........

This cycle all started back in the 1950s. In my 70th year, I couldnt be more
pleased with the way these three generations spent the day.

Seemed worth sharing.

JOE A

From lee at automate-it.com  Mon Oct 17 10:37:43 2011
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:37:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH   THREE GENERATIONS
In-Reply-To: <8CE5AF300CA8F36-17A0-74D06@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE5AF300CA8F36-17A0-74D06@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8d2f06f33a1e29e7e5f877898cfba809.squirrel@www.automate-it.com>

Wow - congratulations. This actually brought tears to my eyes.

> We have had our TR3A for 27 years.  (Other TRIUMPHS before that and a vintage
> racing TRIUMPH actively campaigned for the last 20 years.)
>
> Saturday, my 16 year old grandson Brendan, removed the little used TR3A from
> it's garage.
>
> Sunday, my son Sean and I went to his office to review a couple new designs
> and to discuss a forthcoming race.
>
> Brendan took his new girlfriend for a fall ride in the TR3A.
>
> When Sean and I returned to Sean's house, the TR3A was absolutely brilliant
> looking with a coat of carefully applied and polished wax. Brendan had
> wrenches out and was tinkering. The fall ride was a success.
>
> When I asked Brendan when he was going to bring it back to Jesup, Sean said
> that he planned to drive it to work the next couple of days........
>
> This cycle all started back in the 1950s. In my 70th year, I couldnt be more
> pleased with the way these three generations spent the day.
>
> Seemed worth sharing.
>
> JOE A

From guy at genfiniti.com  Mon Oct 17 11:33:37 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 12:33:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Scissor-jack handle boot dilemna
Message-ID: <C3171D52-EF7B-4ED8-B41A-E1EC4456808D@genfiniti.com>

All,

My scissor-jack handle will not fit into the lower tire compartment of the
boot.
I have a full-sized spare in there, and there's just not enough room.
Therefore it must go above.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to secure the handle so that it isn't just
sitting in there free to bounce around?
I was thinking about riveting-in two black dog collars through the base board
to strap the handle into.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From lee.k.janssen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:02:23 2011
From: lee.k.janssen at gmail.com (Lee Janssen)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:02:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR6 HVDA transmission conversion throw out bearing
Message-ID: <CAA90-EDkX7GCNF8Td7_i4JCGGC4Qi-mpHm_JxdKb0SqVR7Ju6w@mail.gmail.com>

The early Herman van den Akker HVDA transmission conversions used a Howe
hydraulic throw out bearing that was prone to failure in highway vehicles
(Howe indicates they are for racing and not highway use). Does anyone know
what the later version HVDA transmission conversions use for a hydraulic
throw out bearing?
Thanks in advance.
Lee Janssen

From thomasb at queensu.ca  Mon Oct 17 15:06:46 2011
From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:06:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Two Speed Wiper Motor
Message-ID: <0LT8002CRANC9N90@mta01.its.queensu.ca>

Hi,

I had the two speed wiper motor professionally rebuilt last winter 
and installed it before the driving season started.  I checked the 
motion with out arms installed and it appeared to be appropriate.

Fast forward to our drive to Stowe this fall where we encountered 
heavy rain in Lake Placid, and ... wipers that weren't close to 
working correctly - than God for Rain-X!

During the install, I neglected to notice the positioning of the dome 
limit switch.  I'm sure this is not in the correct location.

The dome has a raised "pimple" which is supposed to be located 
opposite a mark I should have made  before disassembly - obviously I 
didn't do this.

Can someone with a left-hand drive 4A with working 2 speed wipers 
have a look at the position of the pimple and let me know what it 
relate to?  Maybe assume the drive to the wiper boxes in at 12 o:clock.

... or if someone knows of a site where this is explained?

Thanks,

Brian

Brian Thomas                    E-mail: ThomasB at QueensU.Ca
Holliday Point                  Phone:  613-385-1947
Wolfe Island,  Ontario          Toys:   54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 
TR4A,  01 XKR,  75 John Deere 920
CANADA   K0H 2Y0                 

From pethier at comcast.net  Mon Oct 17 15:59:59 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 21:59:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH   THREE GENERATIONS
In-Reply-To: <8CE5AF300CA8F36-17A0-74D06@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1877420567.802280.1318888799839.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

I had a nice ride to the post office and back in that car.  Difficult to believe that was 11 years ago.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk
http://www.mnautox.com

----- Original Message -----
> From: n197tr4 at cs.com
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:48:44 AM
> Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH THREE GENERATIONS
> We have had our TR3A for 27 years. (Other TRIUMPHS before that and a
> vintage
> racing TRIUMPH actively campaigned for the last 20 years.)
> 
> Saturday, my 16 year old grandson Brendan, removed the little used
> TR3A from
> it's garage.
> 
> Sunday, my son Sean and I went to his office to review a couple new
> designs
> and to discuss a forthcoming race.
> 
> Brendan took his new girlfriend for a fall ride in the TR3A.
> 
> When Sean and I returned to Sean's house, the TR3A was absolutely
> brilliant
> looking with a coat of carefully applied and polished wax. Brendan had
> wrenches out and was tinkering. The fall ride was a success.
> 
> When I asked Brendan when he was going to bring it back to Jesup, Sean
> said
> that he planned to drive it to work the next couple of days........
> 
> This cycle all started back in the 1950s. In my 70th year, I couldnt
> be more
> pleased with the way these three generations spent the day.
> 
> Seemed worth sharing.
> 
> JOE A
> 
> 
> triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Mon Oct 17 16:27:44 2011
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:27:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] FW:  DAY OF TRIUMPH   THREE GENERATIONS
In-Reply-To: <17639593.683434.1318882814028.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
References: <17639593.683434.1318882814028.JavaMail.root@vznit170080>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAokWe7nBZPoA+vt51ClezCgAAAEAAAAOG+NI8DlG9JquUTJDNayoUBAAAAAA==@verizon.net>

This reminds me of our discussions many years ago (11 to be exact) when I
mentioned that my new grandson's name was Brendan Alexandar - of course that
is first, middle not first, last...



When I was talking with my daughter on the 2nd.  I could hear Brendan in the
background asking if 'his' car was done yet....  He has it all figured out.
When I go back to my hometown for my 50th class reunion, I am to bring the car
for him to take possession (NOT).  Of course he won't be 16 yet - but that is
his plan.  in the meantime he getting the skill set by tinkering with his dad
on a 64GTO - a different car but just as much fun!



Great story Joe...

Carl





On 10/17/11, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:

We have had our TR3A for 27 years. (Other TRIUMPHS before that and a vintage
racing TRIUMPH actively campaigned for the last 20 years.)

Saturday, my 16 year old grandson Brendan, removed the little used TR3A from
it's garage.

Sunday, my son Sean and I went to his office to review a couple new designs
and to discuss a forthcoming race.

Brendan took his new girlfriend for a fall ride in the TR3A.

When Sean and I returned to Sean's house, the TR3A was absolutely brilliant
looking with a coat of carefully applied and polished wax. Brendan had
wrenches out and was tinkering. The fall ride was a success.

When I asked Brendan when he was going to bring it back to Jesup, Sean said
that he planned to drive it to work the next couple of days........

This cycle all started back in the 1950s. In my 70th year, I couldnt be more
pleased with the way these three generations spent the day.

Seemed worth sharing.

JOE A


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From keithstewart at execulink.com  Mon Oct 17 16:48:50 2011
From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:48:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 Hi Torque Starter Install
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1318874401.28275.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1318874401.28275.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <740121A0-2623-4B59-AC53-E32F372C616A@execulink.com>

OK, so I prepped the TR6 (Dec. 74) to put it away for the winter and when I
was ready to drive it to the indoor storage location, the starter would not
turn over. I had purchased a new Hi Torque starter while at TRF's Summer Party
and planned to install it next season but it seems now is the time. After
removing the old starter, I was surprised to find only two wires connected to
the old starter (replaced during the previous restoration) - the Positive feed
from the battery and a white with red tracer. I thought there was supposed to
be a white with yellow tracer as well. When I went to install the new starter,
the mounting flange would not mate with the opening. As the starter was
positioned, the attached solenoid pressed up against the engine, preventing
the holes from aligning. The mounting flange is shown here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/6255541266/in/set-7215762791816927
8/

Rotating the flange one hole counter clockwise (about 20 -25 degrees), as
shown here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/6255569408/in/set-7215762791816927
8/
resulted in a position that matched the holes in the flange with the holes on
the transmission housing, but the starter solenoid now blocks the hole in the
flange through which the mounting bolt must pass. The red arrows on the flange
point to the original mounting holes for the flange.

Rotating the flange counter clockwise up to an additional 45 degrees placed
the mounting hole through which the bolt must pass opposite the solenoid and
therefore could not be used. At 45 degrees, the hole in the flange was finally
clear of the solenoid, as shown here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithchristr6/6255569792/in/set-7215762791816927
8/
but the terminal to which the battery terminal must attach was now up against
the engine block.

I guess the unit could be mounted so that the solenoid is on the bottom side,
but then that terminal connection to the positive battery lead is now on the
top side and any metal object that should ever drop down there is a real risk
of BIG sparks - right below the carbs! What have others done to install this
starter in a TR6? Thanks for your help. Since I am on the digest, replies
directly to me as well as to the list would be greatly appreciated.

Keith R. Stewart
75 Camden Road
London, Ontario
N5X 2K2
Home: (519) 660-1916
E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Mon Oct 17 17:12:06 2011
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 19:12:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 HVDA transmission conversion throw out bearing
In-Reply-To: <CAA90-EDkX7GCNF8Td7_i4JCGGC4Qi-mpHm_JxdKb0SqVR7Ju6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA90-EDkX7GCNF8Td7_i4JCGGC4Qi-mpHm_JxdKb0SqVR7Ju6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <733A8E316464465E886C9A4A44B1F100@DellLaptop>

I thought the original T/O bearing was from McLeod which worked great early 
on but over time their QA went down hill and the recent ones were failing. I 
got one of the last McLeod T/O bearings and it failed right out of the box 
during testing while the car was still on jack stands. Herman was in the 
process of testing in his own car a new T/O bearing from Quarter Master so 
he sent me one to test along with him. It did require a different Pressure 
Plate as the QM unit is flat faced and therefore needs a bent finger 
pressure plate. I've had 3 full driving seasons with it and not a drop of 
fluid has been added.

If you check out this page, it will show the difference between the two 
bearings & pressure plates:

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5SpeedInstallation.htm

This page gives you a good look at the QM unit:

http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5SpeedCriticalMeasurements.htm

Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org

-----Original Message----- 
From: Lee Janssen
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 5:02 PM
To: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 HVDA transmission conversion throw out bearing

The early Herman van den Akker HVDA transmission conversions used a Howe
hydraulic throw out bearing that was prone to failure in highway vehicles
(Howe indicates they are for racing and not highway use). Does anyone know
what the later version HVDA transmission conversions use for a hydraulic
throw out bearing?
Thanks in advance.
Lee Janssen


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From pboldtrix at juno.com  Mon Oct 17 17:38:19 2011
From: pboldtrix at juno.com (Phil Bacon)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:38:19 GMT
Subject: [TR] Scissor-jack handle boot dilemna
Message-ID: <20111017.193819.22799.0@webmail57.vgs.untd.com>

How about a couple of those ss spring clips mounted to the underside
stiffeners of the boot lid?  The kind that are "u" shaped, mostly used for
broom handles, but come in smaller sizes?


My scissor-jack handle will not fit into the lower tire compartment of the
boot.
I have a full-sized spare in there, and there's just not enough room.
Therefore it must go above.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to secure the handle so that it isn't just
sitting in there free to bounce around?
I was thinking about riveting-in two black dog collars through the base board
to strap the handle into.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

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From trguy at cfl.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 18:15:42 2011
From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:15:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH   THREE GENERATIONS
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Nice!  Sounds like a great day to me! Jim henningsen

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of n197tr4 at cs.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 10:49 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH THREE GENERATIONS

We have had our TR3A for 27 years.  (Other TRIUMPHS before that and a
vintage
racing TRIUMPH actively campaigned for the last 20 years.)

Saturday, my 16 year old grandson Brendan, removed the little used TR3A from
it's garage.

Sunday, my son Sean and I went to his office to review a couple new designs
and to discuss a forthcoming race.

Brendan took his new girlfriend for a fall ride in the TR3A.

When Sean and I returned to Sean's house, the TR3A was absolutely brilliant
looking with a coat of carefully applied and polished wax. Brendan had
wrenches out and was tinkering. The fall ride was a success.

When I asked Brendan when he was going to bring it back to Jesup, Sean said
that he planned to drive it to work the next couple of days........

This cycle all started back in the 1950s. In my 70th year, I couldnt be more
pleased with the way these three generations spent the day.

Seemed worth sharing.

JOE A


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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 17 20:16:13 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:16:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 HVDA transmission conversion throw out bearing
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My kit came with a quartermaster bearing set up. I've only got 3000 miles on
it but its working well. Love how effortless the clutch feels.

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 17 21:01:29 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:01:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 choke
Message-ID: <6EE841EB59C04F94937E163F6A4CDC21@DELL05639>

I hooked up the choke on my TR3's SU H6's.  However, it only pulls out about
an inch from the panel.  Is that enough to do any good?

Thanks, Paul
60 TR3  ts78316

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 17 23:30:05 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:30:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 choke
In-Reply-To: <6EE841EB59C04F94937E163F6A4CDC21@DELL05639>
References: <6EE841EB59C04F94937E163F6A4CDC21@DELL05639>
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> I hooked up the choke on my TR3's SU H6's.  However, it only 
> pulls out about
> an inch from the panel.  Is that enough to do any good?

On mine, that's about right for warm-weather starting.  However it can vary
a lot, so yours may be different.

Pull it out and then look at the jets.  You may have to take the air filters
off to see down there.  For full choke, there should be 1/4" or more of the
jet shaft exposed, although 1/8" is usually enough unless it's really cold.

-- Randall  

From clarkja34 at netscape.net  Tue Oct 18 00:02:12 2011
From: clarkja34 at netscape.net (clarkja34 at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 02:02:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumph TR4A exhaust manifold
Message-ID: <8CE5B729C7EC890-1668-826FC@webmail-m167.sysops.aol.com>

If anyone has a TR4A exhaust manifold with the two port exhaust down pipes
please contact me offline at
clarkja34 at netscape.net mine just cracked and I am looking to purchase a good
one. Please let me know price and availability. I placed this add a week ago
but I did not see it on line. Sorry if this is a duplicate.
Tks  Jim

From tfansher at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 06:27:59 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:27:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3 choke
In-Reply-To: <6EE841EB59C04F94937E163F6A4CDC21@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <1194141588.724574.1318940879416.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

My choke has three "ckicks" the first click is just for fast idle - adjust the
choke cam to just increase the idle, the second and third clicks pull down on
the jets.B  It's MUCH easier to pull if you first press the accelerator to
make the cable slide easier. (That's a Jere Dotten trick)

Hope this helps,

Tom



----- Original Message -----


From: "Paul Dorsey" <dorpaul at bellsouth.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:01:29 PM
Subject: [TR] TR3 choke

I hooked up the choke on my TR3's SU H6's. B However, it only pulls out about
an inch from the panel. B Is that enough to do any good?

Thanks, Paul
60 TR3 B ts78316

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Oct 18 07:53:29 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 06:53:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 choke
In-Reply-To: <1194141588.724574.1318940879416.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <6EE841EB59C04F94937E163F6A4CDC21@DELL05639>
	<1194141588.724574.1318940879416.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <030901cc8d9d$516ecea0$0501a8c0@randall>

> It's MUCH easier to pull if you first press the 
> accelerator to
> make the cable slide easier. (That's a Jere Dotten trick)

Polishing the jets will help, too, which also helps the seals last longer.

-- Randall  

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Tue Oct 18 08:11:07 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:11:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
Message-ID: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

     It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats, 
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell lingers. 
Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?

     Bill in Tehachapi

From allenhess at mgcarclub.com  Tue Oct 18 08:31:26 2011
From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:31:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Two Speed Wiper Motor
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1333.1318940881.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1333.1318940881.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I believe the dome is only for the wiper arm "park" position and you  
can loosen the 3 or 4 screws which clamp it down and then with the  
wiper motor on, rotate the dome by trial and error to get the correct  
park position.

Allen

From GHaynesTR4 at aol.com  Tue Oct 18 08:47:25 2011
From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com (GHaynesTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A  Jack Handle Storage
Message-ID: <f2ed.29cd411e.3bceeb7c@aol.com>

The handle of my scissors jack is short enough that I can place it beneath 
the spare and clamp the tire down onto it so neither will move or rattle.   
Spare cover still sits in place normally.
George

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 10:23:29 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 11:23:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Removing_Cat_Smell_From_Triumph?=
Message-ID: <20111018162317.CF0AD18793F@autox.team.net>

First, you have to catch and puree the cat.....then....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "William Brewer" <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 09:11


     It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats, 
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell lingers. 
Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?

     Bill in Tehachapi


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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Tue Oct 18 10:46:02 2011
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:46:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E9DAD4A.1050702@adelphia.net>

Bill,

I never had that problem but the product 'Fabreeze' advertises that it 
removes pet odors.

If it was me, I would give it a try.

Bob

On 10/18/2011 10:11 AM, William Brewer wrote:
>       It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats,
> dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell lingers.
> Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?
>
>       Bill in Tehachapi

From diggle at clear.net.nz  Tue Oct 18 12:45:35 2011
From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:45:35 +1300
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH THREE GENERATIONS
Message-ID: <4e9dc94f.365.749a.20126@clear.net.nz>

Great story, I enjoyed reading it.

I keep wondering if my two sons or daughter will adopt the
car when I am no longer around.

Jim and the engineless TR4

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 13:23:10 2011
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:23:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFArSyKvRWa4Yhgepbba=ujQdNBzwBowy82WwxpLyne3+Q@mail.gmail.com>

I've had the best luck removing pet stains/smells by applying a baking soda
poultice to the spot area and letting it draw out the stain.  Kind of
amazing to see how much it will suck out.  Mix up a pourable but think
slurry of baking soda in water and apply to stain area.  Let dry and remove
with vacuum.  Might have to do it a couple of times.

I've never yet had it affect color on anything, but always good to test in
an inconspicuous area.

Don
Saint Louis
1962 TR3B TSF202L

From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 18 13:46:09 2011
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 12:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <4E9DAD4A.1050702@adelphia.net>
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	<4E9DAD4A.1050702@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <1318967169.53870.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

having been around hockey equiptment for 20 years i can tell you fabreeze is
the best i have found
Frank


________________________________
From: Bob Labuz
<yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>;
triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re:
[TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

Bill,

I never had that problem but the
product 'Fabreeze' advertises that it 
removes pet odors.

If it was me, I
would give it a try.

Bob

On 10/18/2011 10:11 AM, William Brewer wrote:
>   
  It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats,
>
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell
lingers.
> Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?
>
>     
Bill in Tehachapi


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From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 14:01:02 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 20:01:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
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Sue says to use "Bac-Out".

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Brewer" <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
> To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:11:07 AM
> Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
> It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the
> seats,
> dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell
> lingers.
> Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?
> 
> Bill in Tehachapi
> 
> 
> triumphs at autox.team.net
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Oct 18 14:08:16 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:08:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4FF3E824020403A83B1A6FF9784C229@bboffice>

Bill,

The wife says go to PetCo or a local pet store and get the enzymes that they
sell specifically for removing pet odors.  Also, get a small container of
activated charcoal and put it in the car, better if you can close the car up
with the charcoal.

Good luck,
Bill

 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:11 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

     It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the
seats, dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the
smell lingers. 
Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?

     Bill in Tehachapi


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From jholekamp at sbcglobal.net  Tue Oct 18 15:20:09 2011
From: jholekamp at sbcglobal.net (Jay Holekamp)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:20:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
Message-ID: <1318972809.72163.YahooMailRC@web80406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On two occasions I've bought/renovated/sold townhouses that were the victim of
cat urine. The stench was so bad the realtors wouldn't go into the units. I
had 
good success with a product called "Nature's Miracle Urine Destroyer" -
worth a 
try.
 
brgds, Jay
 
'64 Triumph TR4 since '67
 
It smells like a cat
got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats, 
dash and door panels with
some ammonia and water but some of the smell lingers. 
Does anybody know how
to get the rest of the smell out?

From tfansher at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 15:50:41 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:50:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1357228711.765207.1318974641982.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Veterinarians sell "cat odor remover" which is high grade stuff.B  We sell a
product called

"URINE AWAY".B  Call around.

Tom Fansher (DVM)

----- Original Message -----


From: "William Brewer" <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
To: "Triumphs" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:11:07 AM
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

B B  B  It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the
seats,
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell
lingers.
Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?

B B  B  Bill in Tehachapi


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From cak at dimebank.com  Tue Oct 18 15:54:57 2011
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 14:54:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A  Jack Handle Storage
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> The handle of my scissors jack is short enough that I can place it beneath
> the spare and clamp the tire down onto it so neither will move or rattle.
> Spare cover still sits in place normally.

Yeah, that works. I'm not sure what the original question was, but the factory 
spare tire cover came with two metal clips in which the original jack handle 
was held ... if your car came with a scissors jack instead of a pillar jack.

From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Oct 18 16:22:18 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 17:22:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1318967169.53870.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1318947067.2038.YahooMailRC@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4E9DAD4A.1050702@adelphia.net>
	<1318967169.53870.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <98CD57DF10734446B079DB9E22F9D8BC@bboffice>

Step One: Remove the cat from the Triumph... 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 2:46 PM
To: Bob Labuz; William Brewer; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

having been around hockey equiptment for 20 years i can tell you fabreeze is
the best i have found Frank


________________________________
From: Bob Labuz
<yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: Re:
[TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

Bill,

I never had that problem but the
product 'Fabreeze' advertises that it
removes pet odors.

If it was me, I
would give it a try.

Bob

On 10/18/2011 10:11 AM, William Brewer wrote:
>   
  It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the seats,
>
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell
lingers.
> Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?
>
>     
Bill in Tehachapi


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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 18 16:48:30 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:48:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <20111018162317.CF0AD18793F@autox.team.net>
References: <20111018162317.CF0AD18793F@autox.team.net>
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See if you can find an enzyme based cleaner.  Pet stores might carry
something that will help.  They typically have people trying to get urine
smells out of household carpets.

Joe

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Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:23 AM
To: William Brewer; Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph

First, you have to catch and puree the cat.....then....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
Date: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 09:11


     It smells like a cat got the interior of my TR3. I wiped down the
seats, 
dash and door panels with some ammonia and water but some of the smell
lingers. 
Does anybody know how to get the rest of the smell out?

     Bill in Tehachapi


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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Oct 18 17:24:08 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:24:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A Two Speed Wiper Motor
References: <mailman.1333.1318940881.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
	<1CB65EA3-6886-42C9-AAB4-39FD087CCF13@mgcarclub.com>
Message-ID: <81930A53C3804C0EA748352C8FCA2850@userb38463fba5>

I'll write to the list what I wrote to Brian.

There is a dimple on the round cover. That dimple needs to be aligned with 
the groove in the cover plate at the closest point to the cover plate. It 
can be aligned 180 from that too but the wipers will then park fully on. 
Aligning the dimple closest to the groove in the cover plate corresponds 
with the sliding arm being fully extended. When it is fully extended the 
wheel boxes are fully rotated to the left. Place the wiper arms on the wheel 
boxes at their parked position. Be careful to not place them too close to 
the windshield rubber seal or they will over shoot and get stuck under the 
seal, stripping the small serrations on the wheel boxes and the wiper arm 
will not stay on. Ask me how I learned this lesson. Replacing a wheel box is 
not a job that I like doing.

Questions write to me and I'll try to answer you.

JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Hess" <allenhess at mgcarclub.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Two Speed Wiper Motor


>I believe the dome is only for the wiper arm "park" position and you  can 
>loosen the 3 or 4 screws which clamp it down and then with the  wiper motor 
>on, rotate the dome by trial and error to get the correct  park position.
>
> Allen

From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Oct 18 17:51:06 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 23:51:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Removing Cat Smell From Triumph
In-Reply-To: <1357228711.765207.1318974641982.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1849554608.866748.1318981866603.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

That cat smell is often not from a cat but from a meth kitchen.  


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
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From geomurphy at windstream.net  Wed Oct 19 05:22:52 2011
From: geomurphy at windstream.net (George)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:22:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?iso-8859-1?q?Stinkin_Cat?=
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I have used a product called Mister Max Anti-Icky-Poo.  I have used this
stuff to remove pet odors and people odors in carpets for my condo rentals.
It actually works. A 32 oz spray bottle is about 20 bucks online.  Should be
more than enough get rid of that stinkin cat odor.
George M. 60 tr3a
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From trguy at cfl.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 06:59:54 2011
From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:59:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] Parts Thank You
Message-ID: <000001cc8e5e$ff3e1330$fdba3990$@rr.com>

List:

Thanks to you I have found the elusive early TR4 valve cover from a fellow
list member.  Does anyone have an NOS TR4 front grill running light
assembly.  This is the small unit above the blinker light.  Hate to use
aftermarket stuff if I don't have to.  Please contact me off list if you do.
Many thanks!

Jim Henningsen  

Maitland FL

62 TR4

75 TR6

From n197tr4 at cs.com  Wed Oct 19 07:45:08 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH  THREE GENERATIONS   now LEGACY CARS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1754.1319023377.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1754.1319023377.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CE5C7C72A0A6F0-21F0-3692@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>

 Jim and all......thanks for the kind responses to my  70 year old
rhapsodizing.

I have two sons involved...Sean.... & Mark too. I decided a long time ago that
these TRs are legacy cars. They will go to my two sons and five grandchildren
with no stipulations. I think it will all take care of itself without any
direction from me.

I am grateful for the time we have spent over the years with our Triumphs. And
this list and the folks on it have made a major contribution.

Joe A.







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 1. DAY OF TRIUMPH THREE GENERATIONS (diggle at clear.net.nz)
 -------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:45:35 +1300
From: diggle at clear.net.nz
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH THREE GENERATIONS
Message-ID: <4e9dc94f.365.749a.20126 at clear.net.nz>

Great story, I enjoyed reading it.

I keep wondering if my two sons or daughter will adopt the
car when I am no longer around.

Jim and the engineless TR4


------------------------------

**************************************

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Oct 19 07:49:17 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 09:49:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stinkin Cat
In-Reply-To: <000601cc8e51$724e21c0$56ea6540$@net>
References: <mailman.2.1318960802.11683.triumphs@autox.team.net>
	<000601cc8e51$724e21c0$56ea6540$@net>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeOPhZwqBgvk6M83AZcArFdACi7693zhOL-XwNDe2OJZMA@mail.gmail.com>

Ok - I thought you were pulling our legs - but it's  for real!

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:22 AM, George <geomurphy at windstream.net> wrote:

> I have used a product called Mister Max Anti-Icky-Poo.  I have used this
> stuff to remove pet odors and people odors in carpets for my condo rentals.
> It actually works. A 32 oz spray bottle is about 20 bucks online.  Should
> be
> more than enough get rid of that stinkin cat odor.

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Oct 19 10:37:41 2011
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:37:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH  THREE GENERATIONS   now LEGACY CARS
In-Reply-To: <8CE5C7C72A0A6F0-21F0-3692@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CE5C7C72A0A6F0-21F0-3692@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4E9EFCD5.9030008@adelphia.net>

Joe,

You are lucky in that regard. I on the other hand was blessed with 3 
wonderful daughters.

Daughter #2 did help once in awhile when she was young handing me a tool 
or two while I tinkered on my TR3. The other 2 did not show any interest 
in the cars at all.

They are now all grown up and on their own. But there is hope as I now 
have a grandson from daughter # 2!

All 3 cars + what motorcycles are left will be willed to the children to 
pick and choose as they wish. My only hope is that they keep them in the 
family.

My wife has been helping along with car related work when I need a hand 
and she loves going out on rides in all 3 cars. That is a big change 
over the years as when we were younger she showed no interest at all. 
But now, suffering from empty nest syndrome, she is ready and willing.

These cars are a legacy, not only ours but our generation. And anyone 
who has maintained or restored one of them should be very proud!

Bob


On 10/19/2011 09:45 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote:
>   Jim and all......thanks for the kind responses to my  70 year old
> rhapsodizing.
>
> I have two sons involved...Sean....&  Mark too. I decided a long time ago that
> these TRs are legacy cars. They will go to my two sons and five grandchildren
> with no stipulations. I think it will all take care of itself without any
> direction from me.
>
> I am grateful for the time we have spent over the years with our Triumphs. And
> this list and the folks on it have made a major contribution.
>
> Joe A.

From mgodley at tiac.net  Wed Oct 19 10:52:06 2011
From: mgodley at tiac.net (Michael Godley)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:52:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A jack handle storage
Message-ID: <CAC47876.75C2%mgodley@tiac.net>

"but the factory spare tire cover came with two metal clips in which the
original jack handle
was held ... if your car came with a scissors jack instead of a pillar jack

Chris, assume you referring to the fiber board cover.  Correct?
Interesting as I did not know they had clips

Michael Godley
65 TR4A
Mgodley at tiac.net

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Oct 19 11:39:18 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:39:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] DAY OF TRIUMPH  THREE GENERATIONS   now LEGACY CARS
In-Reply-To: <8CE5C7C72A0A6F0-21F0-3692@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CE5C7C72A0A6F0-21F0-3692@webmail-d182.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1319045958.46430.YahooMailNeo@web29418.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Joe Alexander wrote:
I decided a long time ago that these TRs are legacy cars.
They will go to my two sons and five grandchildren with no stipulations. I
think it will all take care of itself without any
direction from me.
 
Hi, Joe
Met your sons (I think) at Watkins Glen in 2008 - but sadly not your
grandchildren. But no stipulations???? **ll, there's seven people who could be
fighting over less than that number of Triumphs when you've gone. Wouldn't it
be an idea for all of them to be tattooed with the commission numbers of the
cars they *can* own and/or drive before the squabbling starts? :)
 
Cheers,
Jonmac

http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/
>________________________________

From N197TR4 at cs.com  Wed Oct 19 11:52:43 2011
From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] LEGACY CARS----now 10th KASTNER CUP
Message-ID: <2b280.68148018.3bd0686b@cs.com>

Hi John,

Fortunately, my offspring seem to have more common sense than their father.

I remain unconcerned about the outcomes. No tatoos.

BTW, the whole list is invited to the 10th Running of the Kastner Cup at 
Road Atlanta at the end of April in 2012. Make no mistake, this will be a big 
one.  Eight cars are slated to come from the UK....like they did in 2002 at 
Mid-Ohio.

Joe A.


> Joe Alexander wrote:
> I decided a long time ago that these TRs are legacy cars. They will go to 
> my two sons and five grandchildren with no stipulations. I think it will 
> all take care of itself without any
> direction from me.
>  
> Hi, Joe
> Met your sons (I think) at Watkins Glen in 2008 - but sadly not your 
> grandchildren. But no stipulations???? **ll, there's seven people who could be 
> fighting over less than that number of Triumphs when you've gone. Wouldn't 
> it be an idea for all of them to be tattooed with the commission numbers of 
> the cars they *can* own and/or drive before the squabbling starts? :)
>  
> Cheers, Jonmac
> 
> <A HREF="http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/">
> http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/</A> 
> 
> 

</HTML>

From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Oct 19 13:55:48 2011
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:55:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A jack handle storage
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1319047202.20539.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3.1319047202.20539.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4E9F2B44.8000204@dimebank.com>

> "but the factory spare tire cover came with two metal clips in which the
> original jack handle
> was held ... if your car came with a scissors jack instead of a pillar jack
>
> Chris, assume you referring to the fiber board cover.  Correct?
> Interesting as I did not know they had clips
>

Yes, I mean the fiber board cover. I think that this changed over the years; my 
67 has the clips, but photos from earlier cars seem not to have them, and the 
factory parts manual doesn't mention them, either! (And my factory book shows a 
"stepped" spare tire cover, a la the TR250/TR5, which is kind of strange in 
itself.)

I was surprised to learn a while ago that some 4As shipped with pillar jacks 
(TR4-style) instead of scissors jacks; that might have something to do with the 
differing arrangements.

From guy at genfiniti.com  Wed Oct 19 15:54:17 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 16:54:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - First 500 miles done
Message-ID: <F1FD0C32-10D8-4E19-97CC-2B91670DC7EC@genfiniti.com>

Listers,

The first 500 "break-in" miles are now on the car, which I believe has "set"
the rings to the cylinders.
I am planning on performing the following tasks:

Change oil & filter
Inspect contents of filter for metal
Set valve lash
Torque the head
Change the plugs
Check the timing
Compression check (to get a baseline)

What else would you recommend?



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Oct 19 17:10:01 2011
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:10:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A jack handle storage
References: <CAC47876.75C2%mgodley@tiac.net>
Message-ID: <C2E8B412E24B4AE8869BCDDE40705B42@userb38463fba5>

Mine had no such clips and I'm the second owner of a 66 bought in 69 with 
less than 18,000 miles on it. Never saw one with clips either.
JVV

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Godley" <mgodley at tiac.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: [TR] TR4A jack handle storage


> "but the factory spare tire cover came with two metal clips in which the
> original jack handle
> was held ... if your car came with a scissors jack instead of a pillar 
> jack
>
> Chris, assume you referring to the fiber board cover.  Correct?
> Interesting as I did not know they had clips
>
> Michael Godley
> 65 TR4A
> Mgodley at tiac.net

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Wed Oct 19 18:53:31 2011
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 19:53:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A - First 500 miles done
Message-ID: <1420971047.8068945.1319072011485.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>

What oil did you break in with and what oil are you planning on using from this point on?  Just changed to Brad Penn myself, weird pouring green oil into the TR...

Congrats!

Craig
1972 Triumph TR6
Vienna, VA


Oct 19, 2011 08:48:56 PM, guy at genfiniti.com wrote:

Listers,

The first 500 "break-in" miles are now on the car, which I believe has "set"
the rings to the cylinders.
I am planning on performing the following tasks:

Change oil & filter
Inspect contents of filter for metal
Set valve lash
Torque the head
Change the plugs
Check the timing
Compression check (to get a baseline)

What else would you recommend?



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct 19 19:04:27 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 18:04:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - First 500 miles done
In-Reply-To: <F1FD0C32-10D8-4E19-97CC-2B91670DC7EC@genfiniti.com>
References: <F1FD0C32-10D8-4E19-97CC-2B91670DC7EC@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <027c01cc8ec4$383d7df0$a8b879d0$@rr.com>

> What else would you recommend?

That's already more than I would do.  Unless there is a problem, the spark
plugs should be fine.

And obviously, you should re-torque the head first and then check the valve
lash.

-- Randall 

From david.brister at wanadoo.fr  Thu Oct 20 03:01:01 2011
From: david.brister at wanadoo.fr (David Brister)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:01:01 +0200
Subject: [TR] TR4A jack handle storage
In-Reply-To: <4E9F2B44.8000204@dimebank.com>
References: <mailman.3.1319047202.20539.triumphs@autox.team.net>
	<4E9F2B44.8000204@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <49A20B5620D7494994457DC85CE21774@dbristerPC>

My car long since lost it's fibreboard spare wheel cover, it probably was
not intended to last 40+ years. On  the floor pans in front of the seats
there are those two large holes, intended for the screw jacks, at the back
of the boot I think there may have been a leather strap  for the scissors
jack.
I have found that if one gets a really flat front tyre you have to find a
lever to put under the front axle or get an asisstant to lift it a small
amount as there is'nt enough clearance for the scissors to slide straight
in.

David Brister,
1967 TR4A
CTC 77750 O

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Oct 20 14:10:57 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:10:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - First 500 miles done
In-Reply-To: <F1FD0C32-10D8-4E19-97CC-2B91670DC7EC@genfiniti.com>
References: <F1FD0C32-10D8-4E19-97CC-2B91670DC7EC@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <20542F12FFB34C5F9B52F129C198A072@bboffice>

I would get under and re-torque the oil pan bolts as well.  Did you re-build
the trans or rear?  If so, change the fluifs there too.

Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
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"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"



-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 4:54 PM
To: RedRiverTriumph at yahoogroups.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A - First 500 miles done

Listers,

The first 500 "break-in" miles are now on the car, which I believe has "set"
the rings to the cylinders.
I am planning on performing the following tasks:

Change oil & filter
Inspect contents of filter for metal
Set valve lash
Torque the head
Change the plugs
Check the timing
Compression check (to get a baseline)

What else would you recommend?



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph


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From guy at genfiniti.com  Thu Oct 20 14:22:52 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:22:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Temp Sending Unit Thread Size?
Message-ID: <841BDDED-1600-4803-8B8F-BA3592AE85BC@genfiniti.com>

Listers,

Can anyone tell me off the top of their head what the thread size is on the
temperature sending unit for a TR4A?
Easier to ask than to go pull mine off and measure it.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From Chip19474 at aol.com  Fri Oct 21 06:17:18 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 08:17:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 on Parenthood
Message-ID: <3717c.57ee78b0.3bd2bccd@aol.com>

Yes.....my wife and I are regular Parenthood watchers and I'm always  
looking for Crosby's TR6.  What was really funny was how he managed to talk  on 
his cellphone while driving the car and never shifting.....of course it is TV 
 so anything can be made to go smoothly:)  However, kudos to the producers  
for either filming one segment while he was actually driving the car on the 
road  or at least getting an authentic TR6 sound track corrrect.....the 
exhaust note  sounded real to me!
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U
 
 
In a message dated 10/17/2011 10:03:33 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jmerone at rocketmail.com writes:


I  don't know word has gone out on this or not, but if any of you watch
NBC's  show Parenthood, you've no doubt seen that there's a TR6 that gets a
fair  amount of screen time some weeks.  It's a fairly ratty '75 or '76 -  
with
the wrong seats, car-color rear valance, and sometimes sports a fugly  vinyl
hardtop.  It's owned by a character named Crosby, the well  intentioned but
black-sheep son of the Braverman family.   


Last week however it did get to
drive around a bit as Crosby  had to rush his sister in-law to the hospital 
as
she had just gone into  labor.  Her water had just broke (although no harm
would come to that  interior), and there was a joke made about her 
delivering
the baby in the  car.  That I'd like to have seen.  

Joe  Merone
South
Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed   


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From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Fri Oct 21 10:55:11 2011
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 09:55:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 on Parenthood
In-Reply-To: <3717c.57ee78b0.3bd2bccd@aol.com>
References: <3717c.57ee78b0.3bd2bccd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1319216111.51403.YahooMailNeo@web160309.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I too immediately picked up on Crosby's cell phone prowess.  When I'm driving
the TR6, it's the one time I tell my wife not to expect me to pick up the
phone very quickly when it rings - if at all.  And don't even try to dial out!
 
Joe Merone
South Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed
 
Until the snow flies, now
is some of the best driving of they year up here.
 
 
 
 
________________________________
From: "Chip19474 at aol.com" <Chip19474 at aol.com>
To: jmerone at rocketmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 on Parenthood
Yes.....my wife and I are regular Parenthood watchers and I'm always looking
for Crosby's TR6.  What was really funny was how he managed to talk on his
cellphone while driving the car and never shifting.....of course it is TV so
anything can be made to go smoothly:)  However, kudos to the producers for
either filming one segment while he was actually driving the car on the road
or at least getting an authentic TR6 sound track corrrect.....the exhaust note
sounded real to me!

Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack, PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U

From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Oct 21 13:08:50 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 14:08:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
Message-ID: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>

Two weeks ago on Saturday I was at a car show and headed for home as the
thunderclouds appeared on the horizon.  Well, I drove about 20 minutes in a
pretty good rain.  Now I don't want to begrudge the rain, we needed it and
quite a bit more here in west Texas, but now I have water dripping from
under the rear of the car where the wing meets the tub, directly below the
taillight (yes, right about where the drain hoses terminate.
 
At first I dismissed it as the drain hoses just running out what may have
come in around the boot lid track.  Upon further inspection, the trunk floor
was just a little damp, I dried it thoroughly last week, leaving the mat out
to dry as well.  What I still have is a small amount of water, about a
tablespoon per day leaking from the aforementioned area.  I checked the
spare compartment and it is bone dry.
 
I remember a lot of rust issues at the rear where the wings attach to the
tub, we replaced the closing panels on both sides at the time.  My question
is: Is there any way to get to this area to drain and dry completely and
what can be done to prevent this from happening again.
 
I am hesitant to drill a hole a I worry this may just provide more bare
metal to begin the rusting process.  Hopefully someone has already been
here.
 
TIA,
Bill
 
Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
www.triumphowners.com/1566
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"

From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 21 16:43:50 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:43:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] DA Sanders
In-Reply-To: <BLU160-W36C898659688EEA0F882B5BAEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <mailman.2048.1319087777.2939.shop-talk@autox.team.net>,
	<BLU160-W36C898659688EEA0F882B5BAEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU160-W3198A89B9A9BAB00F8976BBAE80@phx.gbl>

Going to buy a new air powered 6" DA sander for Triumph use (hobby not for a
living).  All I have used is the old fashioned regular da sanders. I see they
have them now with dust collection and self vacuuming systems.  Sounds like it
would be nice for keeping the dust down in the shop.  Anybody have any
experience with these? They actually work or do the cause more issues than
their worth?



Thanks,



Marty

From nafzigerg at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 21 16:49:12 2011
From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] control head
Message-ID: <1319237352.60883.YahooMailNeo@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>

Listers,
I started taking apart my tr-3 control head and ran into a problem. 
I can't figure out how to get it apart in order to install new wiring.  I've
taken off the 3 screws on the back which allowed me to remove the bakelite
horn button from the horn button surround.  I see three tabs coming through a
steel plate which are bent over but it looks like it would take much pressure
to bend them straight to remove.  The front has two screws which hold the
copper contacts but it seems they can be turned forever without coming loose
enough to remove.
In short.  Does anyone know of a tech article which might
help in changing the wiring.

thanks

gary n.

From rjones at wfeca.net  Fri Oct 21 17:19:23 2011
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:19:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Contact
Message-ID: <9453CCDB-A22B-431E-8F7F-5035218EADF2@wfeca.net>

Irv Korey, if you are on the list please contact me at :  rjones at wfeca.net

Thanks

bob Jones

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 18:58:21 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 17:58:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>

Do you have this drain hole?

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/DrainHole.jpg

Geo

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> ...now I have water dripping from
> under the rear of the car where the wing meets the tub, directly below the
> taillight (yes, right about where the drain hoses terminate.

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 21 19:05:46 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 18:05:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] control head
In-Reply-To: <1319237352.60883.YahooMailNeo@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
References: <1319237352.60883.YahooMailNeo@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEOnwQtdzjeK93pjJZ9aa0tjdQQ=PjByxZMOx5AhoUtCQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here's one articole on the subject:

http://www.tr-register.com.au/Files/technical/ControlHead.zip

On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Gary Nafziger <nafzigerg at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Listers,
> I started taking apart my tr-3 control head and ran into a problem.

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 21 20:41:03 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:41:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 wanting to crank
Message-ID: <135A16AF178E4BA898B8484654F86018@DELL05639>

Hi all,
I think I had my TR3 engine running last year.  I had the engine rebuilt but I
am still working on the car's body.  So I know it runs, however, something now
is out of adjustment with the engine.  I've been hooking up the choke, so it
would seem the carbs (su h6s) might be off.  It would sound as if it wanted to
crank, and would cough, and run for one-half of a second, and on second crank,
it would do the same.  On the forth attempt, it would fail to catch and I'd
think it was flooded.  I'd let it sit for five minutes, and it would repeat
the procedure listed above, which seem to also indicate flooding.  After about
twenty minutes of this I then popped off the distributor cap.

The small line (or groove) in the edge of the distributor casting (under the
cap) seemed to point towards the engine block's pushrodtube for cylinder #2,
and I remember from VW days, that this groove was at 0 deg TDC and therefore,
I believe it should be pointing at #1's first pushrod tube on the engine's
block.  So maybe it's been knocked out of time?  I guess the small 'coughs
made by the engine' would also signal something different than a problem owith
the SU's, and so might the problem be with the ignition timing?

Thanks, Paul Dorsey TS 78316, Belmont Rd., Athens, GA

From tr3 at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 21 21:23:57 2011
From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (TRnut)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 20:23:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] control head
In-Reply-To: <1319237352.60883.YahooMailNeo@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
References: <1319237352.60883.YahooMailNeo@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4489DCCD-9A60-4666-BCC7-9458D05E5617@roadrunner.com>

Gary,
The attached should answer your question.

[demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of TR Control Head.doc]
Hans
'61TR3A


On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote:

> Listers,
> I started taking apart my tr-3 control head and ran into a problem.
> I can't figure out how to get it apart in order to install new  
> wiring.  I've
> taken off the 3 screws on the back which allowed me to remove the  
> bakelite
> horn button from the horn button surround.  I see three tabs coming  
> through a
> steel plate which are bent over but it looks like it would take much  
> pressure
> to bend them straight to remove.  The front has two screws which  
> hold the
> copper contacts but it seems they can be turned forever without  
> coming loose
> enough to remove.
> In short.  Does anyone know of a tech article which might
> help in changing the wiring.
>
> thanks
>
> gary n.
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Oct 21 21:57:42 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:57:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
	<CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27EAF41B1B154BA3A8D548095C14259F@bboffice>

Nope, never saw that before.  Does it just remain open or is there a rubber
plug for it?
 
Thanks, that looks just like were it is coming from.
 
Bill

  _____  

From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:58 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Water retention?


Do you have this drain hole?
 
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/DrainHole.jpg
 
Geo


On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:


...now I have water dripping from
under the rear of the car where the wing meets the tub, directly below the
taillight (yes, right about where the drain hoses terminate.

From tr3 at roadrunner.com  Fri Oct 21 23:06:46 2011
From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hdefer)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:06:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <D4E1E7BF0BE24759969B6BC5B8FF56F4@bboffice>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
	<4129FF7E-45C4-4680-A675-A7A1B5DCF2AC@roadrunner.com>
	<D4E1E7BF0BE24759969B6BC5B8FF56F4@bboffice>
Message-ID: <93D0BAD2-C19A-469F-9C03-66EE301ED282@roadrunner.com>

Yes, I see. I should have read your problem a little better. Sorry,  
can't help you.

On Oct 21, 2011, at 8:57 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> <wbeech at flash.net>  
wrote:

> I already checked that, the tubes are in place and the tubes and  
> gutter is
> dry.
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hdefer [mailto:tr3 at roadrunner.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: <wbeech at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
>
> Bill,
> I had the same problem. The water is coming in from the gutter  
> surrounding
> the trunk. There should be a tube to discharge the water through  
> the fender
> well .
>
> see attached temp. fix before restoration:

From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 06:28:38 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 08:28:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was
 Control Head
Message-ID: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>

I saw Gary's Control Head post and sent him a message on the evils of using
some solvents to clean Control heads.   The finish on bakelite is very thin
and can be damaged by aggressive solvents and abrasives.

I did a quick search and saw that it had not been discussed here (at least
in the past 5 or 6 years) so I thought I'd bring up the subject.

The control head on my TR2 was a dull dark brown color - the button even
lighter brown.  Never thought there was an issue - my  brother in law plays
with old table radios from the 30's and 40's and said that someone destroyed
my control head and button finish using the wrong stuff to clean them.

He said  - Alcohol and ammonia should not be used.  And figured any brake or
carb cleaners should be avoided likewise - paint thinner is ok.  Any alkali
or ammoniated cleaners should be avoided.  He uses Go-Jo with success.  I
stole the term from the article before as it seems more descriptive than
what my brolaw told me.

My control head was broken - so I pulled it out - since the finish was
destroyed there was no fixing it.  The old box of control head parts was in
the attic - and after careful washing with paint thinner and gojo - I had a
set of almost brand new shiny bakelite parts for the rebuild.  Lucky for me
the only broken bits were the horn button and gunk and bugs nests inside the
housing.  Reassembly was a bit tricky but Randall (I think) has a nice hand
drawn illustration on his google docs site that aids greatly with reassembly
(a third hand helps too).

I just did some searching to try to validate what he said and found the link
below it gives a pretty good explanation of how Bakelite is made and why the
finish is so thin and how it can be damaged by cleaning.

http://www.radiolaguy.com/info/clean-shine.htm

>From what I can tell there is no way to rejuvinate the finish of bakelite
other than cover with paint.....

Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear what others have
done or their contrary opinions.

Chris

From guy at genfiniti.com  Sat Oct 22 09:06:08 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
Message-ID: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>

All,

Does the gearbox on a TR4A, with A-type OD, have an oil filter?
If so, where is it located and from where does one purchase replacements?

I am thinking through the work I am planning on doing, and came across this
thought issue.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 22 10:58:00 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:58:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1319302680.95003.YahooMailNeo@web29420.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Seemingly, an interesting solution (no pun) for faded Bakelight, Chris. For
those of us outside the US, what exactly is Go-Jo? A search through Google
suggests it may be some kind of hand cleaner or barrier cream? As the importer
in the UK seems to stock a vast array of Go-Jo products, which one is this and
what is it specifically used for? Your post was timely as a friend has just
about finished a ground-up rebuild of a Standard (Triumph) Ten and the black
instrument binnacle and alonside heater controls are badly faded. Seems this
could be the thing he's looking for

Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ 


>________________________________
>From: Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com>
>To: list Triumph
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011, 13:28
>Subject:
[TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was Control Head
>
>I saw Gary's Control Head post and sent him a message on the evils of using
>some solvents to clean Control heads.   The finish on bakelite is very thin
>and can be damaged by aggressive solvents and abrasives.
>
>I did a quick
search and saw that it had not been discussed here (at least
>in the past 5 or
6 years) so I thought I'd bring up the subject.
>
>The control head on my TR2
was a dull dark brown color - the button even
>lighter brown.  Never thought
there was an issue - my  brother in law plays
>with old table radios from the
30's and 40's and said that someone destroyed
>my control head and button
finish using the wrong stuff to clean them.
>
>He said  - Alcohol and ammonia
should not be used.  And figured any brake or
>carb cleaners should be avoided
likewise - paint thinner is ok.  Any alkali
>or ammoniated cleaners should be
avoided.  He uses Go-Jo with success.  I
>stole the term from the article
before as it seems more descriptive than
>what my brolaw told me.
>
>My
control head was broken - so I pulled it out - since the finish was
>destroyed
there was no fixing it.  The old box of control head parts was in
>the attic -
and after careful washing with paint thinner and gojo - I had a
>set of almost
brand new shiny bakelite parts for the rebuild.  Lucky for me
>the only broken
bits were the horn button and gunk and bugs nests inside the
>housing. 
Reassembly was a bit tricky but Randall (I think) has a nice hand
>drawn
illustration on his google docs site that aids greatly with reassembly
>(a
third hand helps too).
>
>I just did some searching to try to validate what he
said and found the link
>below it gives a pretty good explanation of how
Bakelite is made and why the
>finish is so thin and how it can be damaged by
cleaning.
>
>http://www.radiolaguy.com/info/clean-shine.htm
>
>From what I can
tell there is no way to rejuvinate the finish of bakelite
>other than cover
with paint.....
>
>Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear
what others have
>done or their contrary opinions.
>
>Chris
>
>
>triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sat Oct 22 12:15:10 2011
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:15:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Ebay Posting   TR250 INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR DOOR HANDLES
Message-ID: <8CE5EFDAB1AF0D8-2E0-2B3F9@webmail-d045.sysops.aol.com>

Just poster for quick sale:  TR250  TR5   TR6  DOOR HANDLES.

BUY IT NOW    SHIPPING INCLUDED.

>From Arizona Race Car   -   exceptional/returnable

Thanks!

From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Oct 22 13:43:51 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:43:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <069C2C55826548D9946EBA75A1592B4D@bboffice>

If you need to restore the black color, give India ink a try.  This works
well on the dash knobs so I should think it would work on the control head
as well.
Bill

 Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
www.triumphowners.com/1566
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"



-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo
Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2011 7:29 AM
To: list Triumph
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was
Control Head

I saw Gary's Control Head post and sent him a message on the evils of using
some solvents to clean Control heads.   The finish on bakelite is very thin
and can be damaged by aggressive solvents and abrasives.

I did a quick search and saw that it had not been discussed here (at least
in the past 5 or 6 years) so I thought I'd bring up the subject.

The control head on my TR2 was a dull dark brown color - the button even
lighter brown.  Never thought there was an issue - my  brother in law plays
with old table radios from the 30's and 40's and said that someone destroyed
my control head and button finish using the wrong stuff to clean them.

He said  - Alcohol and ammonia should not be used.  And figured any brake or
carb cleaners should be avoided likewise - paint thinner is ok.  Any alkali
or ammoniated cleaners should be avoided.  He uses Go-Jo with success.  I
stole the term from the article before as it seems more descriptive than
what my brolaw told me.

My control head was broken - so I pulled it out - since the finish was
destroyed there was no fixing it.  The old box of control head parts was in
the attic - and after careful washing with paint thinner and gojo - I had a
set of almost brand new shiny bakelite parts for the rebuild.  Lucky for me
the only broken bits were the horn button and gunk and bugs nests inside the
housing.  Reassembly was a bit tricky but Randall (I think) has a nice hand
drawn illustration on his google docs site that aids greatly with reassembly
(a third hand helps too).

I just did some searching to try to validate what he said and found the link
below it gives a pretty good explanation of how Bakelite is made and why the
finish is so thin and how it can be damaged by cleaning.

http://www.radiolaguy.com/info/clean-shine.htm

>From what I can tell there is no way to rejuvinate the finish of bakelite
other than cover with paint.....

Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear what others have
done or their contrary opinions.

Chris


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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Oct 22 13:54:15 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:54:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
	<CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C95BD30FA13B4AD991034057FC1A1C14@bboffice>

Geo, many thanks!  I guess either the PO or the guy that did my body had
filled this hole.  I drilled it out and now it is drying out just fine.
 
Would there be any wisdom to using a can of foam "Great Stuff" or similar to
fill this cavity completely to avoid and water settling in here?
 
I love this list, thanks!
Bill

  _____  

From: Geo Hahn [mailto:ahwahneetr at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:58 PM
To: wbeech at flash.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Water retention?


Do you have this drain hole?
 
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/DrainHole.jpg
 
Geo


On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:08 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:


...now I have water dripping from
under the rear of the car where the wing meets the tub, directly below the
taillight (yes, right about where the drain hoses terminate.

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 16:41:16 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:41:16 -0500
Subject: [TR]
 =?utf-8?q?Cleaning_Bakelite_without_turning_finish_to_dull_h?=
 =?utf-8?q?aze_-_was_Control_Head?=
Message-ID: <20111022224105.EF41D18786D@autox.team.net>

Gojo handcleaner WITHOUT any grit.  Been using it to clean bakelite on pre-war cars for a long time.  Works a treat, but won't repair that which has been ruined previously.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "John Macartney" <flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk>
To: "Chris Simo" <ccsimonsen at gmail.com>, "list Triumph" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was Control Head
Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 11:58


Seemingly, an interesting solution (no pun) for faded Bakelight, Chris. For
those of us outside the US, what exactly is Go-Jo? A search through Google
suggests it may be some kind of hand cleaner or barrier cream? As the importer
in the UK seems to stock a vast array of Go-Jo products, which one is this and
what is it specifically used for? Your post was timely as a friend has just
about finished a ground-up rebuild of a Standard (Triumph) Ten and the black
instrument binnacle and alonside heater controls are badly faded. Seems this
could be the thing he's looking for

Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ 


>________________________________
>From: Chris Simo <ccsimonsen at gmail.com>
>To: list Triumph
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Sent: Saturday, 22 October 2011, 13:28
>Subject:
[TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was Control Head
>
>I saw Gary's Control Head post and sent him a message on the evils of using
>some solvents to clean Control heads.   The finish on bakelite is very thin
>and can be damaged by aggressive solvents and abrasives.
>
>I did a quick
search and saw that it had not been discussed here (at least
>in the past 5 or
6 years) so I thought I'd bring up the subject.
>
>The control head on my TR2
was a dull dark brown color - the button even
>lighter brown.  Never thought
there was an issue - my  brother in law plays
>with old table radios from the
30's and 40's and said that someone destroyed
>my control head and button
finish using the wrong stuff to clean them.
>
>He said  - Alcohol and ammonia
should not be used.  And figured any brake or
>carb cleaners should be avoided
likewise - paint thinner is ok.  Any alkali
>or ammoniated cleaners should be
avoided.  He uses Go-Jo with success.  I
>stole the term from the article
before as it seems more descriptive than
>what my brolaw told me.
>
>My
control head was broken - so I pulled it out - since the finish was
>destroyed
there was no fixing it.  The old box of control head parts was in
>the attic -
and after careful washing with paint thinner and gojo - I had a
>set of almost
brand new shiny bakelite parts for the rebuild.  Lucky for me
>the only broken
bits were the horn button and gunk and bugs nests inside the
>housing. 
Reassembly was a bit tricky but Randall (I think) has a nice hand
>drawn
illustration on his google docs site that aids greatly with reassembly
>(a
third hand helps too).
>
>I just did some searching to try to validate what he
said and found the link
>below it gives a pretty good explanation of how
Bakelite is made and why the
>finish is so thin and how it can be damaged by
cleaning.
>
>http://www.radiolaguy.com/info/clean-shine.htm
>
>From what I can
tell there is no way to rejuvinate the finish of bakelite
>other than cover
with paint.....
>
>Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear
what others have
>done or their contrary opinions.
>
>Chris
>
>
>triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:03:56 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:03:56 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <C95BD30FA13B4AD991034057FC1A1C14@bboffice>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
	<CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C95BD30FA13B4AD991034057FC1A1C14@bboffice>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bH3u2nhMehyDMDvfbAGZ0RC5w0rrSv6ByNVT=KKHcvUxw@mail.gmail.com>

I think you want that area open to allow quick draining and thorough drying
-- anything introduced to fill the void might trap moisture.

I've heard that those holes were there to allow wet paint to drain out
during the manufacture of the bodies.  Mine had plastic plugs in them but I
prefer to leave them open.

Geo

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> **
> Geo, many thanks!  I guess either the PO or the guy that did my body had
> filled this hole.  I drilled it out and now it is drying out just fine.
>
> Would there be any wisdom to using a can of foam "Great Stuff" or similar
> to fill this cavity completely to avoid and water settling in here?
>
> I love this list, thanks!
> Bill

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:07:00 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:07:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Water retention?
In-Reply-To: <C95BD30FA13B4AD991034057FC1A1C14@bboffice>
References: <BC3C22C9541D42D1952E67AF673366D9@bboffice>
	<CANzE1bHtD4J_jY_e8aQfTP+e5zuvmyEBn2X5cs+JyGFzqM1Tbg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C95BD30FA13B4AD991034057FC1A1C14@bboffice>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bE5rsDTXRSfEX5usuQ3=BY4XdUx=xdgMz7r5CkpMEwAnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just so you get them all -- in addition to a similar hole on the opposite
corner, there is also one under there at the centerline of the body -- you
can see it to the right of the tailpipe in the same photo:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/DrainHole.jpg

Geo

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM, <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> **
> Geo, many thanks!  I guess either the PO or the guy that did my body had
> filled this hole.

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:14:50 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:14:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <1319302680.95003.YahooMailNeo@web29420.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1319302680.95003.YahooMailNeo@web29420.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bG2KNJ9Q=dCM1QPgrLUkLhOwu-SNJ22LfWsZv1Yj2LQsw@mail.gmail.com>

I took it to mean the creamy hand cleaner:

http://www.amazon.com/GOJO-1109-Original-Hand-Cleaner/dp/B00065TSSO/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1319325046&sr=8-3

They have other types & flavors including some with abrasives such as pumice
-- pretty sure you'd want to avoid those.

A very similar product would be Goop:

http://www.amazon.com/Goop-Hand-Cleaner-Hnd-Clnr/dp/B001ENOLZ2/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1319325046&sr=8-10

These products also work well on laundry -- like the black marks the thighs
of my pants seem to get when leaning against a TR tire.

Geo

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:58 AM, John Macartney <
flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Seemingly, an interesting solution (no pun) for faded Bakelight, Chris. For
> those of us outside the US, what exactly is Go-Jo?

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Oct 22 17:18:11 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:18:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
In-Reply-To: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
References: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bE0v5aLfqLCMW289oj9-5MkpTDBhxVbc-phOdK9mFgc4w@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 8:06 AM, G.D. Huggins <guy at genfiniti.com> wrote:

> Does the gearbox on a TR4A, with A-type OD, have an oil filter?
>


On my A-Type it is a reusable (bronze?) filter that is under the big drain
plug (along with some magnetic rings to capture swarf) shaped like a little
basket as I recall..

Clean, rinse, reuse as part of any gearbox/OD oil change.

Geo

From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Oct 22 17:19:16 2011
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 18:19:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
In-Reply-To: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
References: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <20111022231930.F12FE187664@autox.team.net>

The only thing close to a filter is a wire mesh screen inside the big 
brass plug on the bottom of the OD unit.  That one you just clean up 
and put back in.

Tony

At 10:06 AM 10/22/2011, G.D. Huggins wrote:
>All,
>
>Does the gearbox on a TR4A, with A-type OD, have an oil filter?
>If so, where is it located and from where does one purchase replacements?
>
>I am thinking through the work I am planning on doing, and came across this
>thought issue.
>
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Guy D. Huggins
>1965 Triumph TR4A
>CTC 63569LO
>
>Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From lherault at bu.edu  Sat Oct 22 17:42:29 2011
From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 19:42:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] FGoJo
Message-ID: <007001cc9114$4396ee00$cac4ca00$@edu>

It is a waterless hand cleaner.  He probably meant the variety without
pumice.  It is also great for cleaning antiques.  It removes years of grime
and old wax without damaging shellac finishes.

I use it on antique phonograph cabinets and on metal parts too.

Ron L

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 22 18:04:48 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:04:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
In-Reply-To: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
References: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <00d301cc9117$616f6f30$0501a8c0@randall>

> Does the gearbox on a TR4A, with A-type OD, have an oil filter?

Only the filter screen in the OD and the magnets under it.  When you remove
the big brass plug on the bottom of the OD, the magnets usually stay in the
plug and the screen falls out. (On the later A-types.  Earlier ones had the
screen held in with a bolt and no magnets.)

They doesn't usually need to be replaced, just cleaned.

However, I believe most of the usual suspects should have replacements if
yours are damaged.

-- Randall  

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 22 18:16:53 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 17:16:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANhzkeNZgt4--0fSYXb-_i_U-DQCY1oFSNJ6VG0qhF59+g2qYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d401cc9119$119418b0$0501a8c0@randall>

> Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear 
> what others have
> done or their contrary opinions.

I'll add only that I believe exposure to the elements (and age) will also
change the finish of the Bakelite.  

Whether that counts as "destroyed" or not kind of depends on whether you own
a 50-60 year old car, or a modern reproduction of an old car.  The first
TR3A I ever saw over 35 years ago (and fell in love with) had that soft dark
brown finish on the control head and knobs, so to me it seems "right".

There were also different techniques used for producing Bakelite (strictly
speaking, the term "Bakelite" covers several similar but not identical
substances), and they didn't all create the same finish.  Perhaps someone
older than I can say whether TR components actually had that shiny black
finish (like an old telephone) when they were new.

-- Randall  

From amfoto1 at aol.com  Sat Oct 22 21:22:00 2011
From: amfoto1 at aol.com (Alan Myers)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 23:22:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3002.1319302685.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.3002.1319302685.2939.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CE5F4A0FD34119-1FC0-2E867@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Guy,

If memory serves, A-Type doesn't have a filter, per se... But there are a
bunch of magnet washers and, I think, a permanent mesh "basket" under the
large brass or bronze drain nut on the bottom. It's a good idea to
periodically clean these out, but it's not like an internal combustion engine
where a lot of dirt is constantly contaminating the oil and needs to be
filtered and changed frequently.

You have to be a bit careful removing that brass or bronze nut.  There are a
couple types of drain nuts... I've seen hex, which you have to take care to
have a good fitting wrench and not round off the corners. However most seem to
be round with six notches, that require a special tool. Tempting as it might
be, do not try to drive this type of nut around with a hammer and drift...
that will  break off the flange. Get or make a tool to fit it. You can see an
example of the tool in a photo toward the end of this article: But once it's
out you'll see the filter and probably three to six magnetic washers.


Alan Myers
San Jose, California
'62 TR4 CT17602L(O)
amfoto1 at aol.com
www.triumphowners.com/640
www.amfoto1.printroom.com


-----Original Message-----

Message: 12
ate: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 10:06:08 -0500
rom: "G.D. Huggins" <guy at genfiniti.com>
o: triumphs at autox.team.net
ubject: [TR] TR4A - Gearbox Filter
essage-ID: <49626580-EC68-4257-89D9-B688E2513A9B at genfiniti.com>
ontent-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
All,
Does the gearbox on a TR4A, with A-type OD, have an oil filter?
f so, where is it located and from where does one purchase replacements?
I am thinking through the work I am planning on doing, and came across this
hought issue.
Cheers,
Guy D. Huggins
965 Triumph TR4A
TC 63569LO
Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph
---------------------------------------------

From spook01 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 22 21:42:03 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 22:42:03 -0500
Subject: [TR]
 =?utf-8?q?Cleaning_Bakelite_without_turning_finish_to_dull_h?=
 =?utf-8?q?aze_-_was_Control_Head?=
Message-ID: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net>

Interestingly, bakelite is sort of an early plastic. Made of a formaldehyde resin and dirt, dust, ground up wood, it was cured by heat.  It's non conductive, so everyone loved it!  It was used in electrical, cars, boats.....even jewelry!  It came in a wide variety of colors, some swirled, depending on what was mixed with the resin.
Kinda interesting stuff. I have a old shoe shine kit made of the stuff.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'list Triumph'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze - was Control Head
Date: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 19:16


> Please add your two cents to this thread - I'd like to hear 
> what others have
> done or their contrary opinions.

I'll add only that I believe exposure to the elements (and age) will also
change the finish of the Bakelite.  

Whether that counts as "destroyed" or not kind of depends on whether you own
a 50-60 year old car, or a modern reproduction of an old car.  The first
TR3A I ever saw over 35 years ago (and fell in love with) had that soft dark
brown finish on the control head and knobs, so to me it seems "right".

There were also different techniques used for producing Bakelite (strictly
speaking, the term "Bakelite" covers several similar but not identical
substances), and they didn't all create the same finish.  Perhaps someone
older than I can say whether TR components actually had that shiny black
finish (like an old telephone) when they were new.

-- Randall  


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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 06:45:40 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:45:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net>
References: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone got successful  techniques they used to "revive" the finish on their
tired knobs and control heads?

Gary mentioned something about inda ink and wax.  I was thinking of
trying India ink and maybe a clearcoat.

For example, my TR2 has the original knobs/buttons - "Star"t does not have
"push" under it and "Choke" does not have "pull".  I'd like to get them
looking spiffy as well.

Chris

On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, spook01 at comcast.net
<spook01 at comcast.net>wrote:

> Interestingly, bakelite is sort of an early plastic. Made of a formaldehyde
> resin and dirt, dust, ground up wood, it was cured by heat.  It's non
> conductive, so everyone loved it!  It was used in electrical, cars,
> boats.....even jewelry!  It came in a wide variety of colors, some swirled,
> depending on what was mixed with the resin.
> Kinda interesting stuff. I have a old shoe shine kit made of the stuff.

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 23 09:52:51 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:52:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Y/N distributor and timing
Message-ID: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>

Does grabbing the distributor and turning the whole thing (slightly) have the
same effect on the engine's timing as turning the distributor vernier?
Thanks,
Paul Dorsey 60 TR3

From ols at bcdef.net  Sun Oct 23 10:11:10 2011
From: ols at bcdef.net (Alexander Delis)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 12:11:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] GT6 ignition light
Message-ID: <CE099D9A-D604-4BB3-BAF8-C41471D2A165@bcdef.net>

List

I just put the TR3 away for the season and have brought the GT6 out of
hibernation and found a (hopefully) small problem.

The GT6 started right up and seems to run OK, but the ignition light is on and
stays on regardless of the engine speed.

Other than that all looks OK.

Any ideas?

Thanks

Alex

1958 TR3 TS33884LO
1968 GT6 KC10303
1970 Land Rover 88 IIa 24439884G

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Oct 23 11:49:37 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:49:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] Y/N distributor and timing
In-Reply-To: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
References: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <1319392177.79358.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Yes, but it tends to make the changes 'very dramatic' rather than 'carefully
progressive.' I always choose to wear a pair of rubber kitchen gloves and a
soft hat in case I get touched by a HT lead.
 Unwanted electrical impulses
when you're concentrating can sometimes lead to a sudden vertical posture and
a head catching the edge of a raised bonnet. I'm bald!

Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ 


>________________________________
>From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul at bellsouth.net>
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Sent:
Sunday, 23 October 2011, 16:52
>Subject: [TR] Y/N distributor and timing
>
>Does grabbing the distributor and turning the whole thing (slightly) have the
>same effect on the engine's timing as turning the distributor vernier?
>Thanks,
>Paul Dorsey 60 TR3
>
>
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Oct 23 12:07:26 2011
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:07:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Y/N distributor and timing
In-Reply-To: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
References: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <4EA457DE.7000107@adelphia.net>

Paul,

Sort of.
But, by turning the distributor, you are moving it much more than a few 
clicks on the vernier. Most likely more than you need.

As stated in the owners manual, set the static timing by attaching a 12V 
light bulb to the circuit as shown and set the static timing to 4 
degrees BTDC. Tighten the distributor and start engine. Use the vernier 
for adjustments as required for optimum performance.

Bob

On 10/23/2011 11:52 AM, Paul Dorsey wrote:
> Does grabbing the distributor and turning the whole thing (slightly) have the
> same effect on the engine's timing as turning the distributor vernier?
> Thanks,
> Paul Dorsey 60 TR3
>
>
> t

From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sun Oct 23 12:10:25 2011
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 11:10:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] Y/N distributor and timing
In-Reply-To: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
References: <6766D6F84E3C4D6F8A1379D8FC6F3EC6@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <4EA45891.6080301@comcast.net>

Yes. On most American cars of the era, that was the only way to adjust 
the timing. (you do have to loosen the clamp).

On 10/23/2011 8:52 AM, Paul Dorsey wrote:
> Does grabbing the distributor and turning the whole thing (slightly) have the
> same effect on the engine's timing as turning the distributor vernier?
> Thanks,
> Paul Dorsey 60 TR3
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From tom.wags at gmail.com  Sun Oct 23 12:48:59 2011
From: tom.wags at gmail.com (Tom Wagner)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 13:48:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Master Cylinder - 72 TR6
Message-ID: <CAOdFovz=4hbRY2wUA-Vj=CQ-t_3pcNOxV36z0W_OGz+DaZp_zw@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone happen to have the inner workings of a brake master
cylinder that they would like to part with.   One of my springs broke,
and one of the other components is missing and I would rather not have
to buy a whole new master cylinder if I do not have too.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Tom Wagner
72 TR 6
67 MGB
Burleson, TX

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Sun Oct 23 13:10:11 2011
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 14:10:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] GT6 ignition light
In-Reply-To: <CE099D9A-D604-4BB3-BAF8-C41471D2A165@bcdef.net>
References: <CE099D9A-D604-4BB3-BAF8-C41471D2A165@bcdef.net>
Message-ID: <D1BF0F0C99244E369F6EE9D86B1CC80D@ranteer.local>

likely the alternator needs to be replaced, or maybe the battery

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Alexander Delis" <ols at bcdef.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:11 AM
To: "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] GT6 ignition light

> List
>
> I just put the TR3 away for the season and have brought the GT6 out of
> hibernation and found a (hopefully) small problem.
>
> The GT6 started right up and seems to run OK, but the ignition light is on 
> and
> stays on regardless of the engine speed.
>
> Other than that all looks OK.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex
>
> 1958 TR3 TS33884LO
> 1968 GT6 KC10303
> 1970 Land Rover 88 IIa 24439884G

From rjones at wfeca.net  Sun Oct 23 14:48:16 2011
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 15:48:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Towing
Message-ID: <502C24DF-574D-4091-93E8-E7974A3191C7@wfeca.net>

I want to thank everyone who responded to my question regarding towing.  I
positioned the car correctly in the trailer (60% of the weight forward of the
front axle) and measured the tongue weight.  Based on that i am purchasing the
correct weight equalizing hitch and sway control.  i am going to be able to
strap down the car with wheel straps that should go on easily and quickly.

Thanks again.

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Oct 23 16:32:25 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:32:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A scuttle vent cover
Message-ID: <5EC5CE5BF19A4954A50ED319E8DF81E0@DaveLaptop>

List,
I just wanted to send a thank you to all who responded with my request for a
scuttle vent cover for my TR4A IRS. After looking everywhere I could think of,
I came across it in a bag with the headlight buckets!
I have it striped and ready to prime and paint next weekend!
Thanks again,
Dave Connitt
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Oct 23 19:26:05 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 18:26:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] GT6 ignition light
In-Reply-To: <CE099D9A-D604-4BB3-BAF8-C41471D2A165@bcdef.net>
References: <CE099D9A-D604-4BB3-BAF8-C41471D2A165@bcdef.net>
Message-ID: <00d001cc91eb$e72addb0$0501a8c0@randall>

IIRC, a 68 GT6 would have a generator.  If so, my first thought would be
dirty voltage regulator contacts inside the control box.  Check by starting
the engine, and measuring the voltage between the D and F terminals on the
control box.  If it is not 0.0, and the light is on, then the VR contacts
aren't contacting.

There is a more detailed troubleshooting procedure at
http://tinyurl.com/3mz5rt7

-- Randall  

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Sun Oct 23 21:24:59 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:24:59 -0400
Subject: [TR] Timing & Fred
Message-ID: <141A05F542B1451B953F8514E6C1E384@DELL05639>

List,
My engine ran for a while today.  It gets gas from a funnel contraption that
hangs over the carbs.  Someone told me this is ok to do.

I couldn't find the procedure to static time the TR in either of the Workshop
Manuals I've got.  From my 63 bug days, I think it went like this:  Set
everything at TDC: crank pulley notch should be at pointer and dizzy shows #1
at the firing position).  Hook up 12v lamp between points (coil wire) and
ground. Loosen base clamp of dizzy.  Rotate it clockwise until light goes off
and then counter-clockwise until light first comes on.  Tighten clamp.
QUESTION:  Do I anything backwards like clockwise and counter-clockwise mixed
up!

Now for the reason for my different dizzy than the normal distributor for a 60
TR3:

God rest his soul, but, Fred from this list told me to buy another distributer
for my 60 TR3.  He had done much research and concluded that the 25 D
distributor would do me better.  I think his reasoning was that since I had
upped the cc's from 1991 to 2140 (i think?) that the more recent distributor
would account for the increased chamber.  He had me thinking that need for the
24 D was not widely accepted.  In my own niaveteeee I said, "do you think the
TR3 racer's know about this?".  He reassured me they had their own type
dizzies.  I told him about about a guy from the Mid=states (maybe named Paul)
who offered me a Overdrive Tranny for $800.  I told him that I couldn't afford
it and I think Fred proably tried to scoop it himself.  Boy was I dumb!  But
that's my Fred story, this story sounds kinda humerous and I ought to share it
with the list.

Anyway, that's the reason I've got a 24 D distributor on my car that's up on
stilts!   Fred also had told me not to run my professionally rebuilt motor
until I was able to drive it and properly seat the valves.  Oh well!  It seems
to run ok, although It never has been on the road... something that's my
fault. The 24 D dizzy has a small grove in the outer casing which I recognised
as similar to a 63 VW I once had.  This grove was oriented towards #2
pushrod's casting and so I loosened the base of the distributor and turned it
so that this slit seemed oriented towards the #1 cylinder's L pushrod.
Eureka!  It then started.  Rough...but, it ran!

Thanks, Paul Dorsey  TS 78316

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 24 00:28:10 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 23:28:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] Timing & Fred
In-Reply-To: <141A05F542B1451B953F8514E6C1E384@DELL05639>
References: <141A05F542B1451B953F8514E6C1E384@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <013801cc9216$1a33a5f0$0501a8c0@randall>

> Hook up 12v lamp between points 
> (coil wire) and
> ground. Loosen base clamp of dizzy.  Rotate it clockwise 
> until light goes off
> and then counter-clockwise until light first comes on. 

I believe that is backwards for the TRactor motor.  You want to go
counter-clockwise (vacuum module moving away from the engine) until the
light goes out, then clockwise until it just comes on.

Don't forget that this sets the timing to 0 degrees.  Afterwards, you should
advance it 4 degrees using the vernier.

Fred was quite a character, and a true gentleman.  The world is a poorer
place without him.

-- Randall  

From Dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Oct 24 06:37:36 2011
From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 08:37:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] GT6 ignition light
Message-ID: <19023.744556cf.3bd6b60f@cs.com>

In a message dated 10/23/2011 1:52:36 PM Central Daylight Time, 
ols at bcdef.net writes: 
> I just put the TR3 away for the season and have brought the GT6 out of
> hibernation and found a (hopefully) small problem.
> 
> The GT6 started right up and seems to run OK, but the ignition light is on 
> and
> stays on regardless of the engine speed.
> 

A lot can happen in hibernation.  The first things to check are all the 
connections at the alternator and the regulator.  The push-on connectors can 
loose connection due to corrosion and w little wiggle can restore that.  It's 
easy to do and costs nothing.  Unplug them and replug them to clean the 
connections.

If you have a generator you may have lost residual magnetism and may need 
to "flash" the coil.  Do this by pulling the smaller wire off of the 
generator and using a jumper wire briefly connect that terminal of the generator to 
the hot side of the battery.  Just a quick tap is sufficient.

Do these before you buy any replacement parts.  Easy and cheap. (just like 
me)

Dave

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Mon Oct 24 09:48:19 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] tuning
Message-ID: <1C3F9E2F0EFD4F4D886CE388929F8D0A@DELL05639>

Randall,  Perhaps you know of one that is better, but here is an article on
tuning the MG which has some application to the TRactor Motor:
http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_tuning_your_mg_july_52.htm
Changes that I know for the TR3 include

using a 7/16 bolt instead of a 3/8 drill bit to set the SU float level.  There
proably several others, but, I like it's pictures.  Particularly, the one of a
drill holdding and sspinning the SU's pisston (w/ needle in vetro(?) for
correctness.
   After this step, it seems to say, drop the piston and needle into it's
housing, and it shouldd slide to it's base or bridge w/o any hindrance and
make the familiar 'clank sound'.  If this is not the case, loose the lower
brass bolt  till it does.
     In our case, normally this brass bolt is 13 flats from being tight, so
hopefully, the desireded unhindered drop does not occur below the 12th flat of
that brass bolt (that houses the jet).  Is my understanding correct?

Thanks, Paul  60 TR3 ts 78316

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 24 12:54:53 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 11:54:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] tuning
In-Reply-To: <1C3F9E2F0EFD4F4D886CE388929F8D0A@DELL05639>
References: <1C3F9E2F0EFD4F4D886CE388929F8D0A@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <079f01cc927e$6baee3a0$430caae0$@rr.com>

> Randall,  Perhaps you know of one that is better, but here is an
> article on tuning the MG which has some application to the TRactor
> Motor:
> http://www.mgcars.org.uk/mgtd/mgtd_tuning_your_mg_july_52.htm
> Changes that I know for the TR3 include

I think every number I saw in that article is wrong for a TR.  In addition,
there are several things I do not agree with, including using a wire brush
to clean spark plugs.  The wires will leave microscopic particles of steel
embedded in the ceramic, which makes the plug more likely to misfire.  I
generally don't clean plugs at all, as with modern unleaded gasoline they
shouldn't foul nearly as rapidly as they did back in the 50's.  Unless of
course there is something else wrong, and in that case I generally just
replace them.  But if you do want to clean them, I suggest an abrasive blast
cleaner rather than a wire brush.

For points, if you want to clean them, I suggest a "contact burnishing
tool".  Although less common today, they are still a standard repair tool
(normally used to clean relay contacts) and they can be used with the points
still assembled in the distributor.  If they are really worn enough to
require dressing (and bending) back to flat, just replace them!

Haven't tried it myself, but I'm guessing that his procedure for setting
timing will wind up with it too far advanced on a TRactor motor (taking into
account the CW vs CCW differences).  

The "drill trick" seems like too much work to me.  If you just install the
piston in the dome and spin the piston, you can easily see whether the
needle wobbles or not.  If so, the needle is bent.  (I should also admit
that my cheap drill press does not run perfectly true and so there will
likely be some wobble shown there even if the needle is perfectly straight.)

>    After this step, it seems to say, drop the piston and needle into
> it's housing, and it shouldd slide to it's base or bridge w/o any
> hindrance and make the familiar 'clank sound'.  If this is not the
> case, loose the lower brass bolt  till it does.

The nut he wants you to loosen is the large steel nut, located above the
brass nut & spring.  This is the nut that clamps the jet assembly into the
carburetor housing.  With it loosened a bit, move the jet assembly around (I
usually just tap on it with a wrench or something) and then _re-tighten the
nut_.  
It's a trial-and-error process, as the jet always seems to move slightly
when I tighten the nut.  I like to do this adjustment with the brass mixture
nut set full lean (all the way up), as it then assures that there is some
clearance between the jet and needle after the jet is returned to its normal
position.

FWIW, I recently discovered that there was enough clearance on my carbs in
the fit between the dome & main body to affect the needle centering.  By
loosening the 3 screws for the dome and turning the dome, I was able to stop
the needle rubbing.

Also FWIW, I normally do not disturb the dome, needle or jet as part of a
routine tune-up.  As long as the piston moves as it should (no rubbing or
binding, lands with a distinct click), then it "ain't broke" (so don't fix
it).

Once you are done with all this, and have the ignition timing and valve lash
set to specs, you'll also need to readjust the mixture.  12 or 13 flats down
is only an initial starting point, the actual mixture needs to be set with
the engine running.

Overall, while the MG pictures are interesting; I think the Triumph owner's
manual ("Practical Hints for the Maintenance of the Triumph T.R.3") is a
much better reference.  If you don't have one, I strongly suggest you get
one.  Reprints of the 6th edition (suitable for post-60K cars) are available
from the usual suspects, or you can download a copy from 
http://tinyurl.com/3ee76gj

-- Randall 

From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Oct 24 18:56:54 2011
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 19:56:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net>
	<CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EA60956.1060503@rmi.net>

Somewhere on the web, I ran into a site that had a list of people that 
make products for Triumphs and sell on their own.  I think it had Joe 
Curry listed and some others.

One of the items I remember was a "paint" for restoring bakelite from 
brown to black.

I am pretty sure I bookmarked it, but I have not been able to find it.  
Dose anyone else  know the site?

Roger Elliott


On 10/23/2011 07:45 AM, Chris Simo wrote:
> Anyone got successful  techniques they used to "revive" the finish on their
> tired knobs and control heads?
>
> Gary mentioned something about inda ink and wax.  I was thinking of
> trying India ink and maybe a clearcoat.
>
> For example, my TR2 has the original knobs/buttons - "Star"t does not have
> "push" under it and "Choke" does not have "pull".  I'd like to get them
> looking spiffy as well.
>
> Chris

From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Oct 24 20:05:34 2011
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 21:05:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel
Message-ID: <4EA6196E.6080709@rmi.net>

Hi,

I think I know the answer to this, but I am hoping there is an easier way.

On my wife's TR 250, the turn signal cancels fine in one direction, but 
not the other.  I am assuming this means the cancel cam is not in the 
correct position.    I have heard people talk about just moving the cam 
to get this fixed.  But on another Triumph (GT6) I tried turning the cam 
only to find that it was held in place by two dimples and it was not 
springy enough to hold its shape.  So I could not get it tight on the 
steering column again.

So, I am guessing that the way to fix this is to loosen the steering 
column clamp near the rack and turning the whole column, then adjusting 
the steering wheel so it is straight again.

Is that correct?  Also before I attempt this, where should the cam be 
when it is positioned correctly and the wheel is straight?  I know I 
will have to do some trial and error, but if it is in nearly the correct 
position now, it may be a different problem.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott

From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Oct 24 21:45:26 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:45:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <4EA60956.1060503@rmi.net>
References: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net><CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EA60956.1060503@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <E5D2D32520DF4AFB950DE62412EC2377@bboffice>

Is this the place you're thinking of?
http://www.pensburymanor.com/Pensbury_Garage.html 

I bought this stuff and it did a nice job on the knobs, did not try it on
bakelite.

Bill



-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:57 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
was Control Head

Somewhere on the web, I ran into a site that had a list of people that make
products for Triumphs and sell on their own.  I think it had Joe Curry
listed and some others.

One of the items I remember was a "paint" for restoring bakelite from brown
to black.

I am pretty sure I bookmarked it, but I have not been able to find it.  
Dose anyone else  know the site?

Roger Elliott


On 10/23/2011 07:45 AM, Chris Simo wrote:
> Anyone got successful  techniques they used to "revive" the finish on 
> their tired knobs and control heads?
>
> Gary mentioned something about inda ink and wax.  I was thinking of 
> trying India ink and maybe a clearcoat.
>
> For example, my TR2 has the original knobs/buttons - "Star"t does not 
> have "push" under it and "Choke" does not have "pull".  I'd like to 
> get them looking spiffy as well.
>
> Chris


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From guy at genfiniti.com  Mon Oct 24 23:10:04 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:10:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
Message-ID: <6E0FD6ED-00BA-44DD-ADB7-B69C42772249@genfiniti.com>

All,

I found some GL-4 gear oil today at a local autp parts place.
It has a 140 viscosity rating.  Is that too high for my TR4A gearbox/OD?



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From guy at genfiniti.com  Mon Oct 24 23:28:22 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:28:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel
In-Reply-To: <4EA6196E.6080709@rmi.net>
References: <4EA6196E.6080709@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <E5634A93-F202-4EAB-893C-E0E2C3E3149A@genfiniti.com>

Roger,

On the TR4A the turn signal cancel is activated by a small cam lobe which is
welded to the steering column.
It needs to be placed between the two "fingers" of the turn signal switch.
That way when the column comes back across the finger, the lobe makes contact,
turning off the switch.

There is nothing springy or moveable about this cam.  Methinks you need to
recenter the steering column through the switch.
(Provided, of course, that the 250 works like the TR4A)


On Oct 24, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Roger Elliott wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think I know the answer to this, but I am hoping there is an easier way.
>
> On my wife's TR 250, the turn signal cancels fine in one direction, but not
the other.  I am assuming this means the cancel cam is not in the correct
position.    I have heard people talk about just moving the cam to get this
fixed.  But on another Triumph (GT6) I tried turning the cam only to find that
it was held in place by two dimples and it was not springy enough to hold its
shape.  So I could not get it tight on the steering column again.
>
> So, I am guessing that the way to fix this is to loosen the steering column
clamp near the rack and turning the whole column, then adjusting the steering
wheel so it is straight again.
>
> Is that correct?  Also before I attempt this, where should the cam be when
it is positioned correctly and the wheel is straight?  I know I will have to
do some trial and error, but if it is in nearly the correct position now, it
may be a different problem.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Oct 25 01:48:08 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 00:48:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel
In-Reply-To: <4EA6196E.6080709@rmi.net>
References: <4EA6196E.6080709@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <5145AF119F2645138B116C6B19C61C73@Vista>

I am afraid that you will have to remove the shaft and turn it to the
correct position before you will fix the problem.

Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:06 PM
To: 'Triumph List'
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel

Hi,

I think I know the answer to this, but I am hoping there is an easier way.

On my wife's TR 250, the turn signal cancels fine in one direction, but 
not the other.  I am assuming this means the cancel cam is not in the 
correct position.    I have heard people talk about just moving the cam 
to get this fixed.  But on another Triumph (GT6) I tried turning the cam 
only to find that it was held in place by two dimples and it was not 
springy enough to hold its shape.  So I could not get it tight on the 
steering column again.

So, I am guessing that the way to fix this is to loosen the steering 
column clamp near the rack and turning the whole column, then adjusting 
the steering wheel so it is straight again.

Is that correct?  Also before I attempt this, where should the cam be 
when it is positioned correctly and the wheel is straight?  I know I 
will have to do some trial and error, but if it is in nearly the correct 
position now, it may be a different problem.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott


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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Oct 25 04:01:52 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 03:01:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <6E0FD6ED-00BA-44DD-ADB7-B69C42772249@genfiniti.com>
References: <6E0FD6ED-00BA-44DD-ADB7-B69C42772249@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <000601cc92fd$1f182900$0501a8c0@randall>

> I found some GL-4 gear oil today at a local autp parts place.
> It has a 140 viscosity rating.  Is that too high for my TR4A 
> gearbox/OD?

Nah, it'll work.  As a side benefit, your right arm will get a good aerobic
workout driving around town!

-- Randall  

From zoboherald at aol.com  Tue Oct 25 08:35:28 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:35:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <000601cc92fd$1f182900$0501a8c0@randall>
References: <6E0FD6ED-00BA-44DD-ADB7-B69C42772249@genfiniti.com>
	<000601cc92fd$1f182900$0501a8c0@randall>
Message-ID: <8CE613A79A9BA5D-8D8-529AF@webmail-d082.sysops.aol.com>

 I agree, Randall, especially if you try the car first thing some late fall
morning when the temperatures are still in the 20s or low 30s! :( OTOH, if
it's a multi-viscosity (like 85W-140), it might not be too bad, but still
probably better to stay with the 80 or 90 weight stuff.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>


> I found some GL-4 gear oil today at a local autp parts place.
> It has a 140 viscosity rating.  Is that too high for my TR4A
> gearbox/OD?

Nah, it'll work.  As a side benefit, your right arm will get a good aerobic
workout driving around town!

From spook01 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 09:47:59 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 10:47:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4A_-_Gear_Oil_Question?=
Message-ID: <20111025154749.B0281187658@autox.team.net>

Redline lube.  Flows easily, doesn't attack yellow metal.  
No cold morning tractor shifting. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
To: <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>, <guy at genfiniti.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2011 09:35


 I agree, Randall, especially if you try the car first thing some late fall
morning when the temperatures are still in the 20s or low 30s! :( OTOH, if
it's a multi-viscosity (like 85W-140), it might not be too bad, but still
probably better to stay with the 80 or 90 weight stuff.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>


> I found some GL-4 gear oil today at a local autp parts place.
> It has a 140 viscosity rating.  Is that too high for my TR4A
> gearbox/OD?

Nah, it'll work.  As a side benefit, your right arm will get a good aerobic
workout driving around town!


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From pethier at comcast.net  Tue Oct 25 11:00:41 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:00:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel
In-Reply-To: <5145AF119F2645138B116C6B19C61C73@Vista>
Message-ID: <76562913.1172348.1319562041422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Yes.  Did that with my Midget.  At some point someone had installed the steeing shaft into the rack incorrectly.

You need to start from the front tires and work you way back to the steering wheel.

In order:
Tires pointed straight ahead.
Tie-rod ends adjusted for equal lengths.
Steering shaft installed in rack so that signal cams are in correct location.
Steering wheel installed to be straight.


Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: "Roger Elliott" <elliottr at rmi.net>, "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:48:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [TR] turn signal Cancel
> I am afraid that you will have to remove the shaft and turn it to the
> correct position before you will fix the problem.

From arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Tue Oct 25 16:52:45 2011
From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:52:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] 1972 TR6 exhaust mounting
Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C071F652033@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net>

We need a little help.  If you live in the area of Moss, California, we would
like to see the original exhaust mounting under the transmission.  Or can
someone send us some good pictures of the mount under the transmission.  We
are tying to work out correct fitment.  It must be a 1972 with stock exhaust.
Send direct to me or contact me off list.
Thanks - Peter

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 18:08:13 2011
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:08:13 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <20111025154749.B0281187658@autox.team.net>
References: <20111025154749.B0281187658@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <4EA74F6D.5090305@gmail.com>

On 10/25/11 8:47 AM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:
> Redline lube.  Flows easily, doesn't attack yellow metal.
> No cold morning tractor shifting.
>
That's what I have in my TR3 gearbox and differential.  My philosophy is 
that if it doesn't leak put redline in it.

Teriann

From cak at dimebank.com  Wed Oct 26 12:09:32 2011
From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:09:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] inspection help in Santa Fe?
Message-ID: <4EA84CDC.708@dimebank.com>

Got a phone call from a fellow in Michigan looking for someone to inspect a TR3 
in Santa Fe. If you can help, please drop me a line with your phone number...

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct 26 13:06:24 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:06:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Gear Oil Question
In-Reply-To: <4EA74F6D.5090305@gmail.com>
References: <20111025154749.B0281187658@autox.team.net>
	<4EA74F6D.5090305@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f401cc9412$5c2a25d0$147e7170$@rr.com>

> That's what I have in my TR3 gearbox and differential.  My philosophy
> is
> that if it doesn't leak put redline in it.

But note that Redline makes different oils for gearbox and differential.
Good stuff, no doubt, but I follow their recommendation NOT to use MT-90 (or
MTL) in differentials.

(Actually, I use Valvoline Synpower in my diffs. GL5 for better protection,
and none of the additive that can damage yellow metal.  And it's half the
price of Redline.  And I can buy it at some Autozone, O'Reillys, Pep Boys
etc.)

-- Randall 

From guy at genfiniti.com  Wed Oct 26 16:49:55 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:49:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Cam Lobe Measurements
Message-ID: <D97F67C1-807D-434A-B794-C576EAA33E06@genfiniti.com>

All,

I am in the middle of some maintenance following the initial 500 mile break-in
period.
Since I had the rocker pedestal off to torque the head down, I took must
trusty dial indicator and measured the cam lobe lifts.
The Bentley manual says this should be .26 (max).  I am thrilled to report
mine at:

1 = .256
2 = .256
3 = .256
4 = .258
5 = .257
6 = .256
7 = .256
8 = .258

A maximum deviation of .002 between them, and .004 from the .26 max given in
the manual.
This looks good to me, even though I did not take measurements at rebuild.

Anyone think otherwise?




Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 17:15:51 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:15:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] inspection help in Santa Fe?
In-Reply-To: <4EA84CDC.708@dimebank.com>
References: <4EA84CDC.708@dimebank.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEkY9=qGXaQ5=JhVGKmFdPDkkNM-eMxdMvsnBGwYvBVGQ@mail.gmail.com>

If the car in question is this one:

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/triumph/tr3a/1312797.html

Then I think I know the car and the former owner (he sold it perhaps 4 years
ago).  Here is the car I am thinking of, parked next to me in 2005:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/2TR3As.jpg

Looks like the same one and at that time it was in Santa Fe (ad shows SD
tags).

If you will send me an email addy or phone number for the potential buyer I
will forward it to the former owner and we'll see if he is willing to talk
to the interested party.  No guarantees of course.

Yeah, he beat me at that show but I didn't mind much as the 2nd place trophy
was the one that featured a ceramic tile with an image of a TR3.

Nice car -- that's a lot of dough.

Geo

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Chris Kantarjiev <cak at dimebank.com> wrote:

> Got a phone call from a fellow in Michigan looking for someone to inspect a
> TR3 in Santa Fe. If you can help, please drop me a line with your phone
> number...

From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Oct 26 17:42:00 2011
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:42:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <E5D2D32520DF4AFB950DE62412EC2377@bboffice>
References: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net><CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EA60956.1060503@rmi.net> <E5D2D32520DF4AFB950DE62412EC2377@bboffice>
Message-ID: <4EA89AC8.3000508@rmi.net>

Hi Bill,

That's it!  I have not tried it.

I think I am going to buy a bottle.

Roger

On 10/24/2011 10:45 PM, wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Is this the place you're thinking of?
> http://www.pensburymanor.com/Pensbury_Garage.html
>
> I bought this stuff and it did a nice job on the knobs, did not try it on
> bakelite.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:57 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
> was Control Head
>
> Somewhere on the web, I ran into a site that had a list of people that make
> products for Triumphs and sell on their own.  I think it had Joe Curry
> listed and some others.

From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Oct 26 17:46:21 2011
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:46:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] turn signal Cancel
In-Reply-To: <76562913.1172348.1319562041422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <76562913.1172348.1319562041422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4EA89BCD.3070500@rmi.net>

Thanks everyone lots of good information.  It all confirmed my basic 
expectations on the matter, but I wanted to make sure that I wasn't 
doing it the hard way.

Roger

On 10/25/2011 12:00 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote:
> Yes.  Did that with my Midget.  At some point someone had installed the steeing shaft into the rack incorrectly.
>
> You need to start from the front tires and work you way back to the steering wheel.
>
> In order:
> Tires pointed straight ahead.
> Tie-rod ends adjusted for equal lengths.
> Steering shaft installed in rack so that signal cams are in correct location.
> Steering wheel installed to be straight.
>
>
> Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
> 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
> 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
> 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
> 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
> pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier
> http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk
> http://www.mnautox.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Curry"<spitlist at cox.net>
>> To: "Roger Elliott"<elliottr at rmi.net>, "Triumph List"<triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:48:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TR] turn signal Cancel
>> I am afraid that you will have to remove the shaft and turn it to the
>> correct position before you will fix the problem.

From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Oct 26 19:55:45 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:55:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
 was Control Head
In-Reply-To: <4EA89AC8.3000508@rmi.net>
References: <20111023034153.BE0A6187671@autox.team.net>
	<CANhzkeMUsGzu3U5vd7yADoNXHBg4OtiFBGknr+C=-6qLWhmt=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EA60956.1060503@rmi.net> <E5D2D32520DF4AFB950DE62412EC2377@bboffice>
	<4EA89AC8.3000508@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <38A060BE-C939-4D0C-91A7-CCA069A35BC1@flash.net>

Get the small one, it goes a long way.
BB

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 26, 2011, at 6:42 PM, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

> Hi Bill,
>
> That's it!  I have not tried it.
>
> I think I am going to buy a bottle.
>
> Roger
>
> On 10/24/2011 10:45 PM, wbeech at flash.net wrote:
>> Is this the place you're thinking of?
>> http://www.pensburymanor.com/Pensbury_Garage.html
>>
>> I bought this stuff and it did a nice job on the knobs, did not try it on
>> bakelite.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger Elliott
>> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 7:57 PM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Cleaning Bakelite without turning finish to dull haze -
>> was Control Head
>>
>> Somewhere on the web, I ran into a site that had a list of people that
make
>> products for Triumphs and sell on their own.  I think it had Joe Curry
>> listed and some others.

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 26 21:37:33 2011
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 22:37:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] what is it
Message-ID: <B6EA191FCA854C8B9B357CBF2254935E@ranteer.local>

whenever I see a car in a brochure (or billboard, tv show, etc) I have to know
what it is.

I'm thinking early 60's mopar?

www.ranteer.com/misc/

From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 22:36:13 2011
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (McGaheyRx at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:36:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] what is it
Message-ID: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>

Plymouth Valiant - 1963 i think (maybe 64)
 
I learned how to drive in a 62 Valiant - and the first car i ever owned was 
 a 68 Plymouth Valiant - with a 273 cu in V8 - a real sleeper
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2011 12:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  s
umton at sbcglobal.net writes:

whenever  I see a car in a brochure (or billboard, tv show, etc) I have to 
know
what  it is.

I'm thinking early 60's  mopar?

www.ranteer.com/misc/


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From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 00:23:43 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 23:23:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is it
In-Reply-To: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
References: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2C33871347724DE3A221EA5F128BDFB8@Vista>

Jack beat me to it.  I used to autocross against a guy back in the 60's who
drove one.  Needless to say my 67 Camaro constantly beat him.


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of McGaheyRx at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:36 PM
To: sumton at sbcglobal.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] what is it

Plymouth Valiant - 1963 i think (maybe 64)
 
I learned how to drive in a 62 Valiant - and the first car i ever owned was 
 a 68 Plymouth Valiant - with a 273 cu in V8 - a real sleeper
 
Cheers,
Jack Mc
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2011 12:26:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  s
umton at sbcglobal.net writes:

whenever  I see a car in a brochure (or billboard, tv show, etc) I have to 
know
what  it is.

I'm thinking early 60's  mopar?

www.ranteer.com/misc/


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From guy at genfiniti.com  Thu Oct 27 06:01:08 2011
From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:01:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need to replace the water pump
Message-ID: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>

All,

The water pump bearing starting singing to me recently.
No surprise, as it is one of four components I did not replace or rebuild.

Any recommendations on what to get and who to buy from?
I see both Moss and TRF carry them, some 5-bladed.  Does that extra blade
really make much of a difference?
Would an alloy pump make a difference?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph

From Chip19474 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 06:04:51 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:04:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
Message-ID: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>

List,
 
Since I don't drive the TR6 top down very often in cold weather, the  
steering wheel is usually at a fairly reasonable temperature and my hands are  
warm enough for a good grip.  Lately; however, on those crisp cool days  like 
we had last Saturday, the wheel was cold and my hands weren't much  better.
 
So, I think I'll be adding driving gloves to my Christmas list from the  
kids!  For those of you that use driving gloves....what do you have?   Where 
did you purchase them?  Did you visit a store and try on several  pairs (like 
buying shoes) to get the "best fit"?  I'm hoping that this  purchase will 
not require a trip to a Mall:)
 
Thanks,
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Thu Oct 27 06:47:44 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 05:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Headlight Dimmer Wiring Path
Message-ID: <1319719664.99774.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

     So after 51 years of use my original wiring to the headlight dimmer came 
undone. One of the blue& white wires came out of a terminal. Before I noticed 
this, I noticed that the high beam light in the speedo didn't work anymore. 
After that the headlights would periodically flicker on and off. Scary in the 
dark... I fixed the wiring, but am curious as to how the wires are to be routed. 
The bundle just runs off the right side of the metal dimmer bracket and flops 
around the back. I think that my daughter stomped on them when I was teaching 
her how to drive the TR. There is a bracket holding the wires to the upper 
leftof where the floor carpet goes. It seems like the wires should go out the 
back of the dimmer support housing so the wires are hidden from view, but there 
is no hole. I think that I may make some wiring routing brackets next time I am 
in there.
     Am I missing something?

     Bill in Tehachapi

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Oct 27 07:03:31 2011
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:03:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need to replace the water pump
In-Reply-To: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
References: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cc94a8$d3ca2a40$7b5e7ec0$@charter.net>

When the water pump on our GT6 started leaking, I ordered a pump from our
local NAPA outlet since the car was destined for a trip in two days. Their
price was similar to the Big 3 and more importantly, no leaks or problems
since. Since it was a new unit, there was no core requirement so I have the
old core if I need it.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:01 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need to replace the water pump

All,

The water pump bearing starting singing to me recently.
No surprise, as it is one of four components I did not replace or rebuild.

Any recommendations on what to get and who to buy from?
I see both Moss and TRF carry them, some 5-bladed.  Does that extra blade
really make much of a difference?
Would an alloy pump make a difference?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.



Cheers,

Guy D. Huggins
1965 Triumph TR4A
CTC 63569LO

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From tr3a.60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 07:12:52 2011
From: tr3a.60 at gmail.com (John Wise)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:12:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AAA0E20-AD8B-4E08-9BBA-9370A19BFFEF@gmail.com>

I have owned my TR3A in Phoenix, AZ & Ormond Beach, FL, so my "cold weather"
gloves are the same ones I use in the summer to keep from burring my hands on
the steering wheel - String back Driving Gloves:

http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=30726&SortOrder
=5

John

John A. Wise
Ormond Beach, FL

1960 Triumph TR3A
Commission No: TS80422L
http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/
http://www.triumphowners.com/876

1977 Porsche 911S
http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/

From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Oct 27 07:20:38 2011
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 06:20:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need to replace the water pump
In-Reply-To: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
References: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <E13E54CB-5612-4B07-A52D-678091EB70A7@mac.com>

Hi Guy,

I don't have any objective evidence, but when I rebuild my engine about 10 years ago, I installed a 6-vaned pump.  Before that I never had overheating problems, including when I lived in Bakersfield and 100s were the norm.  After the rebuild, the car always seemed on the edge of overheating.  Of course, tons of other stuff was also changed, so I can't really say it was the pump or not.

Last year when I installed my super charger, I changed the pump as the kit came with a new one (standard 4-vaned).  I also installed an aluminum radiator, though I don't believe my old radiator had any problems.  Since then, the temps are back to "normal".

I do like that the new pumps, at least the one I got from Moss, now have a larger nut to hold the pulley, rather than the silly 1/4" thing.  I assume an alloy pump is mostly for weigh savings, and probably won't make a noticeable difference.  They do also make alloy pulleys (though maybe only for narrow belts), that might have a little more effect, since saving weight on the spinning parts is a better payback.

-Darrell

-- 
Darrell Walker
66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L
81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206
Vancouver, WA, USA

From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 08:13:53 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:13:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] what is it
In-Reply-To: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
References: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE62C9CAA6C98F-11B4-77343@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

 Definitely a '64. The '63 had horizontal taillights, and the '65 had round
backup lights. ;) (Why do I know this stuff????)



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
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Register: http://www.vtr.org

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-----Original Message-----
From: McGaheyRx <McGaheyRx at aol.com>


Plymouth Valiant - 1963 i think (maybe 64)

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 08:39:20 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 07:39:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bFyod-QMR6kOW0=jzq12yPxLojFiBqexofMCfyqHYyQLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I always wear gloves when driving so I tend to have an assortment though
only one set are purpose-made driving gloves.

For really cold weather (by Arizona standards) I use real gloves - leather &
lined.

For normal to cool waether I have some ice fishing gloves (brand Kenai) that
are thicker but have open finger tips.

For warm weather I have a lightweight pair of rock climbing gloves, also
open fingers.  Apparently open fingers are preferred by ice fisherman & rock
climbers as well as Cockney cab drivers.

For special occasions ('for best' as they say) I have a pair of Jim Clark
driving gloves circa 1964.  Thin, full coverage and fit like a second skin.
BTW -- in all weather I have wrestling shoes for my feet.

Geo


On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:04 AM, <Chip19474 at aol.com> wrote:

> ... So, I think I'll be adding driving gloves to my Christmas list from the
> kids!  For those of you that use driving gloves....what do you have?

From sumton at sbcglobal.net  Thu Oct 27 09:21:34 2011
From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:21:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <05440F37642848C68D98617328A341E0@ranteer.local>

I always use driving gloves.  its part of the karma of driving these 
wonderful old cars.

I was rather put off by the high price of driving gloves so I went to the 
sports supercenter (like academy or even wal mart) and picked up a pair of 
matching left and right golf gloves.  don't buy the ultra cheap ones - they 
won't last.  but I paid way less than those expensive ones and they work and 
last well.

--------------------------------------------------
From: <Chip19474 at aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 7:04 AM
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves

> List,
>
> Since I don't drive the TR6 top down very often in cold weather, the
> steering wheel is usually at a fairly reasonable temperature and my hands 
> are
> warm enough for a good grip.  Lately; however, on those crisp cool days 
> like
> we had last Saturday, the wheel was cold and my hands weren't much 
> better.
>
> So, I think I'll be adding driving gloves to my Christmas list from the
> kids!  For those of you that use driving gloves....what do you have? 
> Where
> did you purchase them?  Did you visit a store and try on several  pairs 
> (like
> buying shoes) to get the "best fit"?  I'm hoping that this  purchase will
> not require a trip to a Mall:)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip Krout
> Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
> Skippack,  PA
> 1976 TR6 CF57822U

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Oct 27 10:27:34 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:27:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1319732854.82072.YahooMailNeo@web29419.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I use the thinnest of thin leather gloves - black or brown and they must
be lined throughout with silk. You can dress them 'up' or 'down' depending on
the occasion - e.g. wearing a 'tweed' style hat or cap when in the country, or
a bowler when in town! Keeping up appearances is so important these days and
giving the Butler a pair of Chinese cheapos marks one out immediately as
rather inferior.  You want real leather and real silk - cool in summer, warm
in winter. IMHO any kind of faux leather or faux silk will be irritating from
the outset and the string back ones always bring my hands out in a rash, apart
from conveying the 'boy racer' image which just isn't my style :)

Jonmac
http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk


>________________________________
>From:
"Chip19474 at aol.com" <Chip19474 at aol.com>
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Sent:
Thursday, 27 October 2011, 13:04
>Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
>
>List,
>
>Since I don't drive the TR6 top down very often in cold weather, the 
>steering wheel is usually at a fairly reasonable temperature and my hands
are  
>warm enough for a good grip.  Lately; however, on those crisp cool
days  like 
>we had last Saturday, the wheel was cold and my hands weren't
much  better.
>
>So, I think I'll be adding driving gloves to my Christmas
list from the  
>kids!  For those of you that use driving gloves....what do
you have?   Where 
>did you purchase them?  Did you visit a store and try on
several  pairs (like 
>buying shoes) to get the "best fit"?  I'm hoping that
this  purchase will 
>not require a trip to a Mall:)
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chip Krout
>Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
>Skippack,  PA
>1976 TR6 CF57822U
>
>
>triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From pethier at comcast.net  Thu Oct 27 10:58:53 2011
From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:58:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bFyod-QMR6kOW0=jzq12yPxLojFiBqexofMCfyqHYyQLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1610736219.1286934.1319734733315.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

> From: "Geo Hahn" <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
> For special occasions ('for best' as they say) I have a pair of Jim
> Clark
> driving gloves circa 1964. Thin, full coverage and fit like a second
> skin.

The kangaroo-skin ones?  Wish I had a pair of those.

Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA
1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue
2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch
2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl
2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red
pethier [at] comcast [dot] net
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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 11:26:45 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:26:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
Message-ID: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>

List,
 
Rainy day here so my wife and I headed to the basement to rearrange some  
stuff (nothing ever gets thrown out - just rearranged!).  I found our local  
town newspaper that I kept from the moon landing dated July 21, 1969, and 
after  a few minutes of moon walk nostalgia, went to the automobile ads.
 
Wow....if we had the money/storage space/foresight. etc back then!!!   
Here's a few interesting nuggets to refresh your memory on what our cars were  
fetching in 1969:
 
1967 TR4A IRS, radio, heater, tonneau, wire wheels..........   $1649
1967 Sunbeam Alpine, radio, heater, wire wheels, low  mileage.......$1399
1966 Triumph Spitfire, 2 tops, radio, heater, tonneau, wire  
wheels.......$1099
 
Here are the big bucks opportunities:
 
1967 GTO, hardtop, 4 sp, PS, radio, heater, vinyl  roof................$2099
1966 GTO convertible, 4 sp, wide ovals, radio,  heater.................$1799
 
While these prices seem fantastic compared to the value we (and Barrett  
Jackson!) place on the cars, in the same paper, a new 20" RCA color TV was  
advertised for $258 which was a lot of money back then considering the nice 
LCD  TVs one can buy today for $258 so I guess technology has helped quality 
and  prices in some segments:)
 
Fun reading......
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 12:02:36 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:02:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <021b01cc94d2$9cef8e50$d6ceaaf0$@rr.com>

I visited not just one store, but many, before I found a pair that suited
me.  What I wound up with were "motorcycle racing" gloves, with a full
leather palm and a stretchy "breathable" backing, somewhat like imitation
Gore-Tex.  They came with a big padded logo across the knuckles, which I
promptly removed (by cutting the stitches that held it on).  Adequate
protection (IMO) down to about 30F.

Unfortunately, that was some 15 years ago and they are badly worn now.  But
the company that made them no longer offers that style and so far at least,
I've not had any luck finding replacements that suit me.  My hands & fingers
are kind of short and fat; and I despise gloves that are too long, or too
thick.

-- Randall 

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 12:14:15 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:14:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A - Need to replace the water pump
In-Reply-To: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
References: <2204D6F3-A814-420A-89CF-FF5FFBAD3FD3@genfiniti.com>
Message-ID: <021f01cc94d4$3d0ea7d0$b72bf770$@rr.com>

FWIW, I am still running an "aftermarket" pump that I bought from Moss some
time before 1988.  This is the style with the integral pulley (so the bolt
that is normally captured by the pulley has to be replaced with a stud).
I've kind of lost track, but it has to have over 200,000 miles on it (on 3
different engines and 2 different cars) and is still working fine.  (Thought
it had a bearing making noise the other day, but it turned out to be the
generator.)

Tried one of the 6-vane pumps when I was having trouble with overheating;
made no difference at all that I could discern.  But I suspect it would work
better at high rpm where the stock 4-vane pumps have a tendency to cavitate
and consume more power than necessary.  

An original 4-vane made no difference either (turns out the problem was crud
coating the insides of the radiator tubes); until the pulley came off.  I
think I like the permanent pulley!

I put a small photo album up at
http://tinyurl.com/38hwfxq
showing the 3 different pumps.

-- Randall 

From spitlist at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 12:53:50 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:53:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BB8A82198D894E70B25886CA83F10689@Vista>

One could only image what that GTO convertible might go for at auction!


-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip19474 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:27 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969

List,
 
Rainy day here so my wife and I headed to the basement to rearrange some  
stuff (nothing ever gets thrown out - just rearranged!).  I found our local

town newspaper that I kept from the moon landing dated July 21, 1969, and 
after  a few minutes of moon walk nostalgia, went to the automobile ads.
 
Wow....if we had the money/storage space/foresight. etc back then!!!   
Here's a few interesting nuggets to refresh your memory on what our cars
were  
fetching in 1969:
 
1967 TR4A IRS, radio, heater, tonneau, wire wheels..........   $1649
1967 Sunbeam Alpine, radio, heater, wire wheels, low  mileage.......$1399
1966 Triumph Spitfire, 2 tops, radio, heater, tonneau, wire  
wheels.......$1099
 
Here are the big bucks opportunities:
 
1967 GTO, hardtop, 4 sp, PS, radio, heater, vinyl  roof................$2099
1966 GTO convertible, 4 sp, wide ovals, radio,  heater.................$1799
 
While these prices seem fantastic compared to the value we (and Barrett  
Jackson!) place on the cars, in the same paper, a new 20" RCA color TV was  
advertised for $258 which was a lot of money back then considering the nice 
LCD  TVs one can buy today for $258 so I guess technology has helped quality

and  prices in some segments:)
 
Fun reading......
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U


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From tr3a.60 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 12:59:02 2011
From: tr3a.60 at gmail.com (John Wise)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 14:59:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Headlight Dimmer Wiring Path
In-Reply-To: <1319719664.99774.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319719664.99774.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1883D3EE-1135-4DB1-B21F-B82AB639BC8A@gmail.com>

I think we all need to write Triumph!  I think that it is totally unacceptable
that a light dimmer fails after only 51 years!!!  What were those UK engineers
thinking, that we former colonists would take this sloppy engineering laying
down??

I feel we should at least all meet down at the local pub and plot some type of
rebellion or at least a tea party over this!  I guess I would propose a beer
party instead of the tea party -- tea parties I think are so over done in
July!

John


On  27 Oct, 2011, at 8:47 AM, William Brewer wrote:

>     So after 51 years of use my original wiring to the headlight dimmer came
> undone. One of the blue& white wires came out of a terminal. Before I
noticed
> this, I noticed that the high beam light in the speedo didn't work anymore.
> After that the headlights would periodically flicker on and off. Scary in
the
> dark... I fixed the wiring, but am curious as to how the wires are to be
routed.
> The bundle just runs off the right side of the metal dimmer bracket and
flops
> around the back. I think that my daughter stomped on them when I was
teaching
> her how to drive the TR. There is a bracket holding the wires to the upper
> leftof where the floor carpet goes. It seems like the wires should go out
the
> back of the dimmer support housing so the wires are hidden from view, but
there
> is no hole. I think that I may make some wiring routing brackets next time I
am
> in there.
>     Am I missing something?
>
>     Bill in Tehachapi
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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1960 Triumph TR3A
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http://www.triumphowners.com/876

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From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Thu Oct 27 13:17:33 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Headlight Dimmer Wiring Path
In-Reply-To: <1883D3EE-1135-4DB1-B21F-B82AB639BC8A@gmail.com>
References: <1319719664.99774.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1883D3EE-1135-4DB1-B21F-B82AB639BC8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1319743053.50629.YahooMailRC@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

     As Ken Richardson said in an interview - he was told to design a car to 
last 7 years because that's how long Americans keep a car. He never imagined 
that 50 years later people would still be driving them.
     I recently rode in a nephew's Mercedes C320 (I think). There were a myriad 
of electrical gremlins plaguing the car. Same with a friend's Mini Cooper S. He 
has to thump the driver's door panel just right with his fist to get the window 
to operate. I told him that he was wasting his time because roll-up windows are 
just a passing fad...

     -Bill in Tehachapi





________________________________
From: John Wise <tr3a.60 at gmail.com>
To: William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
Cc: car discussion Sports Triumph <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, October 27, 2011 11:59:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Headlight Dimmer Wiring Path

I think we all need to write Triumph!  I think that it is totally unacceptable 
that a light dimmer fails after only 51 years!!!  What were those UK engineers 
thinking, that we former colonists would take this sloppy engineering laying 
down??

I feel we should at least all meet down at the local pub and plot some type of 
rebellion or at least a tea party over this!  I guess I would propose a beer 
party instead of the tea party -- tea parties I think are so over done in July!

John



On  27 Oct, 2011, at 8:47 AM, William Brewer wrote:

    So after 51 years of use my original wiring to the headlight dimmer came 
>undone. One of the blue& white wires came out of a terminal. Before I noticed 
>this, I noticed that the high beam light in the speedo didn't work anymore. 
>After that the headlights would periodically flicker on and off. Scary in the 
>dark... I fixed the wiring, but am curious as to how the wires are to be routed. 
>
>The bundle just runs off the right side of the metal dimmer bracket and flops 
>around the back. I think that my daughter stomped on them when I was teaching 
>her how to drive the TR. There is a bracket holding the wires to the upper 
>leftof where the floor carpet goes. It seems like the wires should go out the 
>back of the dimmer support housing so the wires are hidden from view, but there 

>is no hole. I think that I may make some wiring routing brackets next time I am 

>in there.
>    Am I missing something?
>
>    Bill in Tehachapi
>
>
>triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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Commission No: TS80422L
http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/
http://www.triumphowners.com/876


1977 Porsche 911S 
http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ 

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 13:57:51 2011
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 12:57:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bFyod-QMR6kOW0=jzq12yPxLojFiBqexofMCfyqHYyQLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
	<CANzE1bFyod-QMR6kOW0=jzq12yPxLojFiBqexofMCfyqHYyQLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EA9B7BF.8040603@gmail.com>

On 10/27/11 7:39 AM, Geo Hahn wrote:
> I always wear gloves when driving so I tend to have an assortment though
> only one set are purpose-made driving gloves.
>
> For really cold weather (by Arizona standards) I use real gloves - leather&
> lined.
>
It seems cold to me when highs are in the low to mid 30's but then again 
the TR is not out when there is snow on the ground since Flagstaff 
started using salt instead of cinders.  What part of Arizona are you 
in?  I think I have the only TR3 on the road in Flagstaff.

Anyway, I use ski glove liners or warm weather ski gloves. Flexible and 
still warm.  Of course they also come in handy in the Land Rover as well.

Teriann

From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 14:14:01 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:14:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is it
In-Reply-To: <8CE62C9CAA6C98F-11B4-77343@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
References: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
	<8CE62C9CAA6C98F-11B4-77343@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bHHKv8x41vAE9gdGdHkNSs3iGczyO=1AT6PBUCLyDsqBA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:13 AM, Andrew S. Mace <zoboherald at aol.com> wrote:

>  Definitely a '64. The '63 had horizontal taillights, and the '65 had round
> backup lights. ;) (Why do I know this stuff????).
>


Perhaps because, like me, you drove one.  Only thing I liked about it was
that my summer job was building Torqueflites and if you drove a Chrysler
product you got to park in the lot near the entrance.

Chevies & Fords had to park in the back 40, furrin' cars could not be safely
parked anywhere.

Geo

From Loumetelko at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 14:33:34 2011
From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:33:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] what is it
Message-ID: <a4ac.18c866fd.3bdb1a1d@aol.com>

Definitely a '64. The '63 had horizontal taillights, and the '65  had round
backup lights. ;) (Why do I know this  stuff????)



--Andy:
Sounds like the typical liberal arts education; a brilliant mind stuffed  
full of useless stuff!
 
Lou Metelko
Auburn, Indiana

From edwd at ti.com  Thu Oct 27 14:44:05 2011
From: edwd at ti.com (Fisher, Ed)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:44:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] Gloves/song
Message-ID: <67A276399E247245AC2050FC103C4E8A0F95800D@DLEE01.ent.ti.com>


From trdoctor at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 15:08:02 2011
From: trdoctor at aol.com (Sam Clark)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:08:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
Message-ID: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>

Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.

Sam,
HTH

Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion as
well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

From terryrs at comcast.net  Thu Oct 27 15:35:32 2011
From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:35:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2138653286.1203450.1319751332234.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

>Since I don't drive the TR6 top down very often in cold weather, the  
>steering wheel is usually at a fairly reasonable temperature and my hands are  
>warm enough for a good grip.  Lately; however, on those crisp cool days  like 
>we had last Saturday, the wheel was cold and my hands weren't much  better.
 
In New Hampshire, I do top-down til snow on the ground.  Arizonians will laugh, but nothing will do in 30 degree mornings but Gortex insulated hood, gloves and heavy LLBEAN Gortex coat with a windbreaker fleece under jacket and under that a fleece vest.  It ain't about style but statement:  Will not let New England winters beat me.

By the way, it's snowing today.

Gadfrey!

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 16:01:20 2011
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:01:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a front fender/ wing I cut off with a sawsall for  a Stag. I'll
really like to clean it up so i can use in on  car.

Am I wasting my time or should invest in one? I have some other body work to
do.

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy, Realtor
Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA
(408) 839-8359
roysrealty.com

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 17:02:13 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:02:13 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <027201cc94fc$77c30240$674906c0$@rr.com>

Thanks for the information, Sam. 

I wonder what they consider "low offset" to be?  The TR differential
certainly has the pinion nowhere near the centerline.  And relative to the
gear size, I'd say it was about the same as my RWD Buick wagon (which
specifies GL-5).  From the text of the letter, it seems that they are
assuming our differentials are "low offset" only because they were
originally specified to use GL-4 oil; yet the GL-5 spec did not exist at
that time.  In other words, Triumph specified the highest level of "hypoid"
protection that was available; for gears that (according to legend) only had
to last 7 years.  Those of you with later cars may recall that Triumph also
advised to never change the factory oil (which could be because it was
better than the run-of-the-mill GL-4).

I still find it surprising that an oil designed to have a higher coefficient
of friction is a good choice for gears that need no friction.

Anyway, I'm going to go on using the "extreme pressure" GL5 that has worked
well for me for over 20 years of daily TR driving.  Paying $16/qt or more
for an oil that doesn't work as well as the $8/qt stuff just seems kind of
silly to me.

-- Randall 

From fishplate at charter.net  Thu Oct 27 17:07:15 2011
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:07:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EA9E423.2060900@charter.net>

On 10/27/2011 1:26 PM, Chip19474 at aol.com wrote:
> Wow....if we had the money/storage space/foresight. etc back then!!!
> Here's a few interesting nuggets to refresh your memory on what our cars were
> fetching in 1969:
>
> 1966 Triumph Spitfire, 2 tops, radio, heater, tonneau, wire
> wheels.......$1099
>

Being a Spitfire guy, I looked this up on the BLS Inflation Calculator:  
http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

$1099 in 1969 is almost $6800 today.  So that's about right.

On the other hand, $1799 for the Goat is a little over $11,000 today.  
That one sounds like a good investment...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 17:16:33 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:16:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] what is it
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bHHKv8x41vAE9gdGdHkNSs3iGczyO=1AT6PBUCLyDsqBA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <59041.5e85b28.3bda39bc@aol.com>
	<8CE62C9CAA6C98F-11B4-77343@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
	<CANzE1bHHKv8x41vAE9gdGdHkNSs3iGczyO=1AT6PBUCLyDsqBA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <027a01cc94fe$785bade0$691309a0$@rr.com>

> Chevies & Fords had to park in the back 40, furrin' cars could not be
> safely
> parked anywhere.

Ah yes, the good ole days!

-- Randall 

From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 17:37:07 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] what is it
In-Reply-To: <a4ac.18c866fd.3bdb1a1d@aol.com>
References: <a4ac.18c866fd.3bdb1a1d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE631879193369-1834-43046@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>

 Spot on, Lou! (Although I spent as much time during my undergraduate years in
the Campus Center TV Lounge as I did in class!)



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Loumetelko <Loumetelko at aol.com>

 --Andy:Sounds like the typical liberal arts education; a brilliant mind
stuffed  full of useless stuff!

From zoboherald at aol.com  Thu Oct 27 17:41:31 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:41:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6319167B5CA9-1834-430F5@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>

 No offense to the fine folks at Red Line oil, but Triumph has always called
for "EP" lubricants in the differential. Dave's technical explanation
notwithstanding, I'd feel better staying with what the factory recommended!
:)



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>


Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.

Sam,
HTH

Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion
as
well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

From fishplate at charter.net  Thu Oct 27 18:53:13 2011
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:53:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <027201cc94fc$77c30240$674906c0$@rr.com>
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
	<027201cc94fc$77c30240$674906c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <4EA9FCF9.4030803@charter.net>

On 10/27/2011 7:02 PM, Randall wrote:
> I wonder what they consider "low offset"

For some reason, I took this to be a reference to the angle of the gear 
mesh to the axis of rotation...Those that are straight-cut, or nearly 
so, don't create as much pressure as one that may mesh well off the 
centerline, thus creating a mesh at some acute angle.

But I could be wrong...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Oct 27 19:18:02 2011
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:18:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <8CE6319167B5CA9-1834-430F5@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com>
	<8CE6319167B5CA9-1834-430F5@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAA02CA.9090609@gmail.com>

On 10/27/11 4:41 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
>   No offense to the fine folks at Red Line oil, but Triumph has always called
> for "EP" lubricants in the differential. Dave's technical explanation
> notwithstanding, I'd feel better staying with what the factory recommended!
> :)
>
Andy, By all means go for it and follow the factory recommendations.  
But oil formulations may have changed a little since the owners manual 
was written.

I have a Salisbury type limited slip in my TR3 and I never found any 
factory reference for that diff. So for me I'll use the Redline oil 
recommended for limited slip differentials.

But I agree.  You can never go wrong following the factory user manual 
when dealing with factory parts.

Take care

Teriann

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 27 19:27:47 2011
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1319765267.70119.YahooMailNeo@web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

That's a pretty $pendy tool for no more work than you seem to have to do.
 
If
you just have to get one, Eastwood (www.eastwood.com) sells a nice one for
about $600.
 
Chad in Tulsa

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To:
Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying

I have a front
fender/ wing I cut off with a sawsall for  a Stag. I'll
really like to clean
it up so i can use in on  car.

Am I wasting my time or should invest in one?
I have some other body work to
do.

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy, Realtor
Keller
Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA
(408) 839-8359
roysrealty.com
triumphs at autox.team.net

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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Oct 27 19:58:34 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 20:58:34 -0500
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <356F68275C1E4D1EB5A013A79BD3D1D6@bboffice>

The same year I bought my first TR3 for $700.  Unfortunately I was under 25
and my insurance jumped $1000 because they classified it as a High-Power
sports car.  Traded it the next year for a Volvo PV-544... I sure miss both
those cars.

Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
www.triumphowners.com/1566
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"

 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chip19474 at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 12:27 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969

List,
 
Rainy day here so my wife and I headed to the basement to rearrange some
stuff (nothing ever gets thrown out - just rearranged!).  I found our local
town newspaper that I kept from the moon landing dated July 21, 1969, and
after  a few minutes of moon walk nostalgia, went to the automobile ads.
 
Wow....if we had the money/storage space/foresight. etc back then!!!   
Here's a few interesting nuggets to refresh your memory on what our cars
were fetching in 1969:
 
1967 TR4A IRS, radio, heater, tonneau, wire wheels..........   $1649
1967 Sunbeam Alpine, radio, heater, wire wheels, low  mileage.......$1399
1966 Triumph Spitfire, 2 tops, radio, heater, tonneau, wire
wheels.......$1099
 
Here are the big bucks opportunities:
 
1967 GTO, hardtop, 4 sp, PS, radio, heater, vinyl  roof................$2099
1966 GTO convertible, 4 sp, wide ovals, radio,  heater.................$1799
 
While these prices seem fantastic compared to the value we (and Barrett
Jackson!) place on the cars, in the same paper, a new 20" RCA color TV was
advertised for $258 which was a lot of money back then considering the nice
LCD  TVs one can buy today for $258 so I guess technology has helped quality
and  prices in some segments:)
 
Fun reading......
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U


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From douglasehamilton at shaw.ca  Thu Oct 27 21:01:26 2011
From: douglasehamilton at shaw.ca (Doug Hamilton)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:01:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
Message-ID: <fba8b1ae10f99.4ea9c6a6@shaw.ca>

I have a Hobart Airforce 250ci http://www.hobartwelders.com/products/plasma/airforce250ci/
It has an internal compresor so it's as convenient to use as a sawzall plug it into 120v and go. I've cut copper and steel with it. The cuts are cleaner than any saw I've used, and I've cut 1/4" wall steel pipe with no problem. The duty cycle is a lot lower than bigger machines I've used but to get a significant increase in duty cycle you need a 220v machine and double the money. I got mine for $849.00. Now that I have it wonder why I waited so long to buy one.
One last thought it takes some practice to do really neat cuts with it, but it takes less skill than trying to do neat work with a sawzall or jig saw.

Doug Hamilton
1960 Triumph TR3A
1963 Fiat Cabriolet

Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 15:01:20 -0700
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
Message-ID:
<CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I have a front fender/ wing I cut off with a sawsall for  a Stag. I'll
really like to clean it up so i can use in on  car.

Am I wasting my time or should invest in one? I have some other body work to
do.

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy, Realtor
Keller Williams Realty, Cupertino, CA
(408) 839-8359
roysrealty.com

From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Oct 27 21:11:47 2011
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:11:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <356F68275C1E4D1EB5A013A79BD3D1D6@bboffice>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
	<356F68275C1E4D1EB5A013A79BD3D1D6@bboffice>
Message-ID: <4EAA1D73.2070901@bradakis.com>

Excerpts from the Indianapolis Star, fall 1973:


67 Chevelle, 396, 4 spd. $950

'67 Corvette conv. air, power windows, 427, $2,300

Ferrari, 1959 250 GT, 12 cyl. 2 passenger, excel. cond. $4,950

'53 Jag XK120 show car, $3,395

'64 MGB New red paint, new top, luggage rack, very fast, $1,000

'59 MGA, engine good, body needs work $500

'58 Porsche, runs good, $850

'60 Triumph, 4 spd., looks, runs perfect  $300

'64 TR4 wire wheels, new paint, tires, $750

'64 TR4 Rebuilt, mech. perfect, new tires, no rust $850

'56 Morgan Plus 4, excel. orig. condition, $3,500


mjb.

From spitfire at freebacon.net  Thu Oct 27 21:12:49 2011
From: spitfire at freebacon.net (Mike Welch)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:12:49 -0600
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <021b01cc94d2$9cef8e50$d6ceaaf0$@rr.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
	<021b01cc94d2$9cef8e50$d6ceaaf0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <C2EE42357B054EEB8ADE347D1C110D6B@Spike>

Mechanix brand, found at auto parts, home improvement and department stores. 
Cheap ($15), durable, grippy, etc.  I wear them until it gets below 
freezing, then I use the insulated variety.  I use them for driving, biking, 
just about everything.  I even use them when working on the Spit, you can 
still work on the small parts with the gloves on.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_8847-46572-8847_0__?productId=3044770&Ntt=work+gloves&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Dwork%2Bgloves&facetInfo=

Lots of sizes, colors, etc.



Mike Welch
Colorado Springs, CO
'69 Triumph Spitfire MkIII x2
'69 Honda SL350
-----Original Message----- 
<snip> 

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 27 21:56:43 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:56:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] double or bubble flared line?
Message-ID: <026B919DA3274DD09581D711E1479F18@DELL05639>

Can someone tell me what kind of flare is used for the line going into the
clutch slave cyclinder?  Is it a double or bubble flared line?

Thanks, Paul Dorsey  60 TR3  ts78316

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 27 22:02:11 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:02:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <4EAA02CA.9090609@gmail.com>
References: <956913E1-72C8-40EE-A34F-1D744DE6D572@aol.com><8CE6319167B5CA9-1834-430F5@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EAA02CA.9090609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02b901cc9526$5edc1800$0501a8c0@randall>

> I have a Salisbury type limited slip in my TR3 and I never found any 
> factory reference for that diff.

Would you like a copy of the manual for your LSD?  It has two specific oil
recommendations from Millers; both are GL5 oils.  However, their website has
been updated and they apparently now recommend Torco GL6.

They will also answer emails sent to sales at tran-x.com (which is how I got
the manual).

But of course the gear tooth design remains the same, and they are what are
difficult to protect.  The high pressure, wiping contact of the hypoid gear
set makes it difficult to maintain the critical oil film (which is what EP
oils are all about).

-- Randall  

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 02:22:03 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 03:22:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Red_Line_Oil?=
Message-ID: <20111028082153.553E0187680@autox.team.net>

That's the old designation.  The red line stuff surpasses it.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com>
To: <trdoctor at aol.com>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>, <6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
Date: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 18:41


 No offense to the fine folks at Red Line oil, but Triumph has always called
for "EP" lubricants in the differential. Dave's technical explanation
notwithstanding, I'd feel better staying with what the factory recommended!
:)



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

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Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Sam Clark <trdoctor at aol.com>


Here is a response from Red Line on the usage.

Sam,
HTH

Sorry for the confusion, your differential originally called for a SAE 90
GL-4, the MT-90 is a well suited replacement.
A GL-4 gear oil is suitable for a zero or low offset hypoid ring and pinion
as
well as straight pattern gears fitted in differentials.
A high offset hypoid gear, where the pinion approaches the ring gear well
below it's centerline requires an extreme pressure, GL-5 type gear oil. The
note refers to late model separate differentials which typically contain a
high offset hypoid gear.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil


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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 06:17:05 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
Message-ID: <3922c.5c14b081.3bdbf741@aol.com>

you gotta love it!  '60 TR3 $300 and it "runs perfect"
 
Get out the flux capacitor...we're going back
 
chip
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2011 12:34:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mark at bradakis.com writes:

Excerpts  from the Indianapolis Star, fall 1973:


67 Chevelle, 396, 4 spd.  $950

'67 Corvette conv. air, power windows, 427, $2,300

Ferrari,  1959 250 GT, 12 cyl. 2 passenger, excel. cond. $4,950

'53 Jag XK120  show car, $3,395

'64 MGB New red paint, new top, luggage rack, very  fast, $1,000

'59 MGA, engine good, body needs work $500

'58  Porsche, runs good, $850

'60 Triumph, 4 spd., looks, runs perfect   $300

'64 TR4 wire wheels, new paint, tires, $750

'64 TR4  Rebuilt, mech. perfect, new tires, no rust $850

'56 Morgan Plus 4,  excel. orig. condition,  $3,500


mjb.


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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 06:18:59 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 08:18:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] THANKS - Driving Gloves
Message-ID: <392f4.34019d33.3bdbf7b3@aol.com>

Thanks to all who responded....as usual, gobs of information....just in  
time - snow expected tomorrow night
 
Chip

From Mackmi at usa.redcross.org  Fri Oct 28 07:14:02 2011
From: Mackmi at usa.redcross.org (Mackmi at usa.redcross.org)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:14:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <4EAA1D73.2070901@bradakis.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com><356F68275C1E4D1EB5A013A79BD3D1D6@bboffice>
	<4EAA1D73.2070901@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <32B95304CB44EF4E81483EEA6D05978211ECB51C@brnyrchex2.bio.ri.redcross.net>

Put me down for the:

'53 Jag XK120 show car, $3,395


Mike Mack  Rochester, NY
73 stag
80 TR8
79 Spit
70 GT6

From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 08:56:16 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <4EAA1D73.2070901@bradakis.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com><356F68275C1E4D1EB5A013A79BD3D1D6@bboffice>
	<4EAA1D73.2070901@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6398E0A68C76-11B4-87111@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>


Excerpts from the Indianapolis Star, fall 1973:

'60 Triumph, 4 spd., looks, runs perfect  $300


 ==AM==
Apparently prices were on the rise by '73, as I only paid $125 for my '60 TR3A
in 1972. (Of course, I did have to replace a front wheel bearing before I
could tow it out of the barn it was stored in....)



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 08:58:43 2011
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 07:58:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <2138653286.1203450.1319751332234.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
	<2138653286.1203450.1319751332234.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bEpfhP9BMRDO_uwYpmV+2Xp8oXALkZ1R7EUc2ABvRNCYw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 2:35 PM, <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> In New Hampshire, I do top-down til snow on the ground.  Arizonians will
> laugh...
>

Hah hah.  For those who picture Arizonians basking by the pool or playing
golf all winter, taken in my 'driveway':

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/Snow08.jpg

A whole separate discussion could be headwear, goggles & earplugs.

Geo

From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 09:03:19 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
Message-ID: <8CE6399DCB3AE79-11B4-87225@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----

From: spook01 <spook01 at comcast.net>


That's the old designation.  The red line stuff surpasses it.

==AM==
Call me stubborn or old-fashioned or whatever, but:

a: Triumph called for an EP rated gear oil for their differentials.
b: On their own web site, Red Line says: "MTL, MT-85 and MT-90 are not for use
in differentials with hypoid gears."

That's all good enough for me.



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 10:17:18 2011
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:17:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bEpfhP9BMRDO_uwYpmV+2Xp8oXALkZ1R7EUc2ABvRNCYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e1a5.69c4d4e9.3bdaa2e3@aol.com>
	<2138653286.1203450.1319751332234.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
	<CANzE1bEpfhP9BMRDO_uwYpmV+2Xp8oXALkZ1R7EUc2ABvRNCYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EAAD58E.1030601@gmail.com>

>> In New Hampshire, I do top-down til snow on the ground.  Arizonians will
>> laugh...
>>
> Hah hah.  For those who picture Arizonians basking by the pool or playing
> golf all winter, taken in my 'driveway':
>
> http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/Snow08.jpg
>
And this picture was taken of my Land Rover sitting in my driveway 
during the mild winter we had last year.

http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/Images/grSNOW.jpg

While not down to New Hampshire standards, Arizona can still get a tad 
cool away from the Southern desert and up on the Colorado plateau (I'm 
at 7,000 feet).  Unlike Geo's, my TR3 stays inside when there is snow on 
the ground.  It is the time for the Land Rover to be my primary vehicle.

Teriann
1961 TR3A
1960 Land Rover

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Oct 28 10:34:00 2011
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:34:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <8CE6399DCB3AE79-11B4-87225@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6399DCB3AE79-11B4-87225@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAAD978.70307@gmail.com>

On 10/28/11 8:03 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
>
>
> That's the old designation.  The red line stuff surpasses it.
>
> ==AM==
> Call me stubborn or old-fashioned or whatever, but:
>
> a: Triumph called for an EP rated gear oil for their differentials.
> b: On their own web site, Red Line says: "MTL, MT-85 and MT-90 are not for use
> in differentials with hypoid gears."
>
That's why Redline has a couple pages of gear oils available:

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=4

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=8

It appears you were looking on the page for gearbox oils

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=7

and not differential oils.

Teriann, with MT-90 in the gearbox and 75W90 gear oil in the diff.

From douglasehamilton at shaw.ca  Fri Oct 28 10:44:27 2011
From: douglasehamilton at shaw.ca (Doug Hamilton)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 10:44:27 -0600
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
Message-ID: <fbac54e312ef7.4eaa878b@shaw.ca>

Check with your local welding supplier most will do short term leases and rentals on plasma cutters.
I've also seen plasma cutters and mig welders available at some Home Depot rental departments.
Eastwood currently has their plasma cutter on sale for $499.00 a good deal if you have a compressor big enough to run it. If you don't have a big enough compressor look at Hobart 250c( I have ), Miller 125c ( identical to Hobart just blue ), or Thermal Dynamics 15c all have internal compressors and all are one button operation, turn it on and cut no other settings to adjust. There are Chinese ones on ebay for as little as $200.00 I've heard good and bad reviews of these so buyer beware. But one of these may cost less than a rental.
 
Doug Hamilton
1960 Triumph TR3A
1963 Fiat Cabriolet


Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:27:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>, Triumphs
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
Message-ID:
<1319765267.70119.YahooMailNeo at web120524.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

That's a pretty $pendy tool for no more work than you seem to have to do.
 
If
you just have to get one, Eastwood (www.eastwood.com) sells a nice one for
about $600.
 
Chad in Tulsa

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 11:02:42 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:02:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Red_Line_Oil_Web_Site_Application_Request_F?=
 =?utf-8?q?orm?=
Message-ID: <20111028170241.3FF14187660@autox.team.net>

Hi guys,
This is what redline wrote back to me.
Hope this helps.  Ps, if you read all the way down you can see my application information specifying hypoid gears. 
R 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Forwarded message -----
From: "David Granquist" <Dave at RedLineOil.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31
Ray,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, in your TR4 differential where an SAE 90 GL-4 gear oil is called for the MT-90 is recommended. 
Regards, DaveRed Line Oil



On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:27 AM, website at redlineoil.com wrote:Below are the results from the Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form submitted 10/28/2011 9:27:21 AM:

Full Name: ray mccrary
Email Address: spook01 at comcast.net
Address: 2910 washington ave.
City: waco
State: TX
Zip: 
Make: triumph
Model: tr4
Year: 1962
Engine Type: 2.0l
Differential Size/Type: hypoid. unknown ratio
Transmission Type: standard 4 speed

Issues: 

Recommendations: Oil for hypoid rear axle

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct 28 12:41:58 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:41:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] double or bubble flared line?
In-Reply-To: <026B919DA3274DD09581D711E1479F18@DELL05639>
References: <026B919DA3274DD09581D711E1479F18@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <034e01cc95a1$471a21f0$d54e65d0$@rr.com>

> Can someone tell me what kind of flare is used for the line going into
> the
> clutch slave cyclinder?  Is it a double or bubble flared line?

The clutch slave on a TR3 with Girling brakes does not use a flare fitting
at all.  The connection is by hose, with straight threads and a copper
washer for sealing.  (If memory serves, the same is true of earlier cars
with Lockheed brakes, but I'm not certain offhand.)

-- Randall 

From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 12:53:31 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 14:53:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <4EAAD978.70307@gmail.com>
References: <8CE6399DCB3AE79-11B4-87225@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EAAD978.70307@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE63BA054E65F8-11B4-8A085@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>

-----Original Message-----
From: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>


On 10/28/11 8:03 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:

> Call me stubborn or old-fashioned or whatever, but:
>
> a: Triumph called for an EP rated gear oil for their differentials.
> b: On their own web site, Red Line says: "MTL, MT-85 and MT-90 are not for
use
> in differentials with hypoid gears."

That's why Redline has a couple pages of gear oils available:

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=4

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=8

It appears you were looking on the page for gearbox oils

http://www.redlineoil.com/Products.aspx?pcid=7

and not differential oils.

Teriann, with MT-90 in the gearbox and 75W90 gear oil in the diff.

==AM==

Thanks for the remedial reading lesson, but I was aware of the different
products and different pages. :)

As to the response sent to Ray:

"Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, in your TR4 differential where an SAE
90
GL-4 gear oil is called for the MT-90 is recommended.
Regards, DaveRed Line Oil"

Again, this seems contrary to their own statements on the web site AND to the
fact that Triumph considered the gears in
their differentials to require an extreme pressure lubricant. Sorry, I gotta
go with Triumph here; apparently you did as well, Teriann!

:)
--Andy Mace


*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Fri Oct 28 13:05:39 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:05:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Tonneau Lift-a-Dot Fastener Orientation
Message-ID: <1319828739.24421.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

     My tonneau recently gave it up and ripped beyond repair. I have already 
repaired/patched it twice and the California sun has done its thing. Last time I 
put Lift-A-Dot fasteners on I oriented them so the writing was towards the 
outside of the tonneau edge. However, the Lift-A-Dot fasteners have a flat edge 
on one side and I was wondering it that should be the side facing outboard on 
the car (it is opposite of the side with the writing). Which way is correct? It 
probably doesn't matter anyway and who reads the Lift-A-Dot fasteners on an old 
dog TR3 anyway...
     Just wondering. Probably putting fasteners on the tonneau this weekend.
     TIA

     -Bill in Tehachapi

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Fri Oct 28 13:13:43 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:13:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] plasma cutters - Any got one worth buying
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGHAbx7z9-BXd-6hkxDRChR3AJsK2Y1SQKJJoK0Ru=nwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C408D8E51F664BF7B8E4E27954DD3AA1@DaveLaptop>

Sujit,
You might want to take a look at a Henrob 2000 Oxy/Acetylene torch. I bought 
one to do welding on my TR4A and it works awesome. The real plus it that it 
can cut thin steel like a plasma cutter. You can see one on Youtube. It cost 
me just about $1,000.00 with tanks/carrier, hoses, and regulators. I have 
the smallest set of tanks you can get which come in a small plastic carrier. 
It costs about $40.00 to fill the tanks and they last about 10 hours 
depending on how much you cut vs. weld.
Dave Connitt
1967 TR4A IRS
http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct 28 14:20:18 2011
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 13:20:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil
In-Reply-To: <8CE63BA054E65F8-11B4-8A085@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6399DCB3AE79-11B4-87225@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
	<4EAAD978.70307@gmail.com>
	<8CE63BA054E65F8-11B4-8A085@webmail-m088.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <036401cc95af$0368b170$0a3a1450$@rr.com>

> AND to the
> fact that Triumph considered the gears in
> their differentials to require an extreme pressure lubricant.

I should probably stay out of this, but ... Andy, I think you are
overlooking the fact that Redline MT-90 DOES meet the EP requirement from
the 50s.  It could not earn a GL4 rating otherwise.

It's also my surmise that the folks at Redline are unwilling to enter the
anti-GL5 fray, and so when someone says "I have to use GL4", they recommend
their GL4 oil.  

-- Randall 

From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 28 15:02:37 2011
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:02:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tonneau Lift-a-Dot Fastener Orientation
In-Reply-To: <1319828739.24421.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319828739.24421.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY150-W16DC16206E9BD30AE449ECB9D30@phx.gbl>

Bill-

Mechanically, I think you want the lettering on the outside edge, just because
that's the way the fasteners release a little easier when you lift that dot!

Randy




> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 12:05:39 -0700
> From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Tonneau Lift-a-Dot Fastener Orientation
>
> My tonneau recently gave it up and ripped beyond repair. I have already
> repaired/patched it twice and the California sun has done its thing. Last
time I
> put Lift-A-Dot fasteners on I oriented them so the writing was towards the
> outside of the tonneau edge. However, the Lift-A-Dot fasteners have a flat
edge
> on one side and I was wondering it that should be the side facing outboard
on
> the car (it is opposite of the side with the writing). Which way is correct?
It
> probably doesn't matter anyway and who reads the Lift-A-Dot fasteners on an
old
> dog TR3 anyway...
> Just wondering. Probably putting fasteners on the tonneau this weekend.
> TIA
>
> -Bill in Tehachapi
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Oct 28 16:42:23 2011
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:42:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plugs
Message-ID: <11048555.977522.1319841743555.JavaMail.root@vznit170132>


From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 17:44:50 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:44:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Red_Line_Oil_Web_Site_Application_Request_F?=
 =?utf-8?q?orm?=
Message-ID: <20111028234445.0E7FD187655@autox.team.net>

Well, here's the rest of the story...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Forwarded message -----
From: "David Granquist" <Dave at RedLineOil.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 18:23
Ray,
Yes the MT-90 is also suitable for use in your transmission.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil


On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:16 AM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:David,
Are any of your oils suitable for my transmission?
Same vehicle as describes below. 
Thanks,
Ray. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "David Granquist" <Dave at RedLineOil.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 11:31


Ray,

Thank you for contacting Red Line Oil, in your TR4 differential where an SAE 90 GL-4 gear oil is called for the MT-90 is recommended. 
Regards, DaveRed Line Oil



On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:27 AM, website at redlineoil.com wrote:Below are the results from the Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form submitted 10/28/2011 9:27:21 AM:

Full Name: ray mccrary
Email Address: spook01 at comcast.net
Address: 2910 washington ave.
City: waco
State: TX
Zip: 
Make: triumph
Model: tr4
Year: 1962
Engine Type: 2.0l
Differential Size/Type: hypoid. unknown ratio
Transmission Type: standard 4 speed

Issues: 

Recommendations: Oil for hypoid rear axle

From TR250Driver at aol.com  Fri Oct 28 17:57:13 2011
From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:57:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only?
Message-ID: <2859.4dbcfdb0.3bdc9b59@aol.com>

Hey Guys,
 
What's Up with this ebay listing:
"Triumph 30 yr Parts collection, , TR2, TR3, TR4, TR6, TR7, TR8, Stag, GT6, 
 Spit"
 
It started at 250K and now is 195K, Buy it Now.  Anyone know of this?  Is 
this a real investment opportunity?  
    Item number: 160671995346
    Item number: 160671995346
 
The inventory is located in Stockton California 
    Item number: 160671995346
    Item number: 160671995346
(1.5 hrs east of San Francisco) 
    Item number: 160671995346
Ebay Item # 160671995346
 
Darrell

From anabil007 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 18:36:41 2011
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 17:36:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
In-Reply-To: <20111028234445.0E7FD187655@autox.team.net>
References: <20111028234445.0E7FD187655@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <11B9864D-7A3C-4C06-B415-11717FBD8A07@comcast.net>

There was a definitive post, that I can't find,  from Redline...

	The gist is MT90 is fine for diffs that have a CENTER PINION ...

	Newer cars have a LOW PINION ... that requires 75W90.

 You do need to be specific when looking
at their Products ... one set for diffs,  and another for trannies ... with
obvious crossovers...

BUT  ... 75W90 will work fine with a Center Pinion, I use 75W90 for the TR6,
it has a LSD, and MT90
in Casper ... no problems




On Oct 28, 2011, at 4:44 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:

> Well, here's the rest of the story...
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> ----- Forwarded message -----
> From: "David Granquist" <Dave at RedLineOil.com>
> To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
> Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 18:23
> Ray,
> Yes the MT-90 is also suitable for use in your transmission.
>
> Regards, Dave
> Red Line Oil
>



"Life is too short to drive Boring Cars"

Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA
Casper
1957 TR3
TS16665L
anabil007 at comcast.net

From spook01 at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 19:04:32 2011
From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:04:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Red_Line_Oil_Web_Site_Application_Request_Form?=
Message-ID: <20111029010424.1D211187660@autox.team.net>

I've used their products in, as a partial list:  tr6, tr4, sunbeam tiger, 67 morris minor, 29 morris minor, 51 riley rmb, 32 mg m, and others.
The only gripe is that the very early cars tend to weep a little, as the seals aren't too good.
Currently, I have some for the elise, which doesn't count because its modern.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Reply message -----
From: "William Pugh" <anabil007 at comcast.net>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Cc: "Triumph List" <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 19:36
There was a definitive post, that I can't find,  from Redline...
	The gist is MT90 is fine for diffs that have a CENTER PINION ...
	Newer cars have a LOW PINION ... that requires 75W90.
You do need to be specific when lookingat their Products ... one set for diffs,  and another for trannies ... with obvious crossovers...
BUT  ... 75W90 will work fine with a Center Pinion, I use 75W90 for the TR6, it has a LSD, and MT90in Casper ... no problems



On Oct 28, 2011, at 4:44 PM, spook01 at comcast.net wrote:Well, here's the rest of the story...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

----- Forwarded message -----
From: "David Granquist" <Dave at RedLineOil.com>
To: <spook01 at comcast.net>
Subject: Red Line Oil Web Site Application Request Form
Date: Fri, Oct 28, 2011 18:23
Ray,
Yes the MT-90 is also suitable for use in your transmission.

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil





"Life is too short to drive Boring Cars"
Bill PughWallace, CA	
Casper1957 TR3
TS16665L
anabil007 at comcast.net

From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 19:16:27 2011
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:16:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only?
In-Reply-To: <2859.4dbcfdb0.3bdc9b59@aol.com>
References: <2859.4dbcfdb0.3bdc9b59@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EAB53EB.3000102@comcast.net>

Yes, I think it's mostly real. It's what's left of Wayne Bier's "Triumph 
Only" business that he moved to Stockton from San Jose.  I know he had 
been trying to sell the business for some time.
Bob

On 10/28/2011 4:57 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> What's Up with this ebay listing:
> "Triumph 30 yr Parts collection, , TR2, TR3, TR4, TR6, TR7, TR8, Stag, GT6,
>   Spit"
>
> It started at 250K and now is 195K, Buy it Now.  Anyone know of this?  Is
> this a real investment opportunity?
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
>
> The inventory is located in Stockton California
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
> (1.5 hrs east of San Francisco)
>      Item number: 160671995346
> Ebay Item # 160671995346
>
> Darrell

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Oct 28 20:16:54 2011
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 21:16:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
Message-ID: <706007530.8491491.1319854614265.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>

On my 72 TR6, last year I finally got the carb jets right and the car was running better than ever.
 
I have always used the standard NGK plugs on my car.
 
I have never had any issues with running hot here in Virginia.
 
My concern is after the jets were corrected and the car tuned, the temperture gauge barely comes out into the white part of the gauge.
 
Is it possible for an engine to run too cold?  I had never thought this was a concern.
 
On the topic of plugs, if it is an issue, should I get the colder set or the hotter set, I was never clear after reading the archives on which way to go.
 
Finally, the plugs read very nornal when you compare them to pictures on the web.
 
Any input is appreciated.
 
Craig 
1972 Triumph TR6
Vienna, VA

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Fri Oct 28 20:20:53 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 19:20:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
Message-ID: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

     I got called back into work tonight. Driving in, my headlights would 
flicker on and off. Once I left them off for awhile and then jiggled the 
headlamp switch to the left and the lights worked again. This appears to to be 
where the problem is, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. At the same time the 
headlamps flicker the panel lights go out as well. I am thinking the problems is 
in the headlamp switch, but it looks like it could be the connection at the 
ignition switch. Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
     Intermittent faults are the worst...
     I just fixed the blue & white wire the came unattached at the high beam 
dimmer switch. I don't see how the problem could be there.
     TIA,

     -Bill in Tehachapi

From fishplate at charter.net  Fri Oct 28 21:02:11 2011
From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:02:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
In-Reply-To: <706007530.8491491.1319854614265.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>
References: <706007530.8491491.1319854614265.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>
Message-ID: <4EAB6CB3.7040109@charter.net>

On 10/28/2011 10:16 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:
> Is it possible for an engine to run too cold?  I had never thought this was a concern.
`
Yes, but it's not likely to be the plugs.  Is your thermostat stuck open?

From wsb1960tr3a at att.net  Fri Oct 28 21:29:42 2011
From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:29:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only? - What is it in pic #2?
Message-ID: <1319858982.24446.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

    In the posting for Triumphs Only on Ebay, in the second picture (with the 
water tank in it), what is the car on the far left? I initially thought that it 
could be a 1950-1954 Morgan +4, but the tail isn't right. Now I am thinking that 
it is an early 50's Singer LeMans. 

     Any ideas?

     Didn't Wayne originally want something like $650,000 for the lot last 
summer?

     -Bill in Tehachapi

From: Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Only?
Message-ID: <4EAB53EB.3000102 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Yes, I think it's mostly real. It's what's left of Wayne Bier's "Triumph 
Only" business that he moved to Stockton from San Jose.  I know he had 
been trying to sell the business for some time.
Bob

On 10/28/2011 4:57 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> What's Up with this ebay listing:
> "Triumph 30 yr Parts collection, , TR2, TR3, TR4, TR6, TR7, TR8, Stag, GT6,
>   Spit"
>
> It started at 250K and now is 195K, Buy it Now.  Anyone know of this?  Is
> this a real investment opportunity?
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
>
> The inventory is located in Stockton California
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
> (1.5 hrs east of San Francisco)
>      Item number: 160671995346
> Ebay Item # 160671995346
>
> Darrell

From wbeech at flash.net  Fri Oct 28 21:31:26 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 22:31:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
In-Reply-To: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DDB9EBAE-5DCA-45FB-900E-960D1B08A4A0@flash.net>

After you check your switch and connections, check the ground wires to the
panel as well.   Those posts can be a share point for several connections

Bill

Sent from mobile Bill

On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:20 PM, William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net> wrote:

>     I got called back into work tonight. Driving in, my headlights would
> flicker on and off. Once I left them off for awhile and then jiggled the
> headlamp switch to the left and the lights worked again. This appears to to
be
> where the problem is, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. At the same time
the
> headlamps flicker the panel lights go out as well. I am thinking the
problems is
> in the headlamp switch, but it looks like it could be the connection at the
> ignition switch. Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>     Intermittent faults are the worst...
>     I just fixed the blue & white wire the came unattached at the high beam
> dimmer switch. I don't see how the problem could be there.
>     TIA,
>
>     -Bill in Tehachapi
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct 28 21:39:57 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:39:57 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
In-Reply-To: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <005e01cc95ec$6e6ab850$0501a8c0@randall>

> I am thinking the problems is 
> in the headlamp switch, but it looks like it could be the 
> connection at the ignition switch.

The hot wire is supposed to go to the headlight switch first, so the
connection to the ignition switch wouldn't affect the lights (but would make
the engine die).

The headlight switch is the most likely suspect IMO.

-- Randall  

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Oct 28 21:47:11 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:47:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
In-Reply-To: <706007530.8491491.1319854614265.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>
References: <706007530.8491491.1319854614265.JavaMail.root@vznit170070>
Message-ID: <005f01cc95ed$709df690$0501a8c0@randall>

> Is it possible for an engine to run too cold?  I had never 
> thought this was a concern.

IMO, yes.  If they run cold all the time, they burn more fuel and wear out
quicker.  Replace the thermostat with a 180F unit (or possibly the gauge is
wrong).

> On the topic of plugs, if it is an issue, should I get the 
> colder set or the hotter set, I was never clear after reading 
> the archives on which way to go.

Plug temperature has nothing to do with coolant temperature.  Unless the
plug tip indicates it is getting too hot (or not hot enough), leave the
plugs alone.  The thermostat is what controls coolant temperature
(hopefully).

-- Randall  

From thenicholls at verizon.net  Fri Oct 28 22:14:29 2011
From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:14:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
Message-ID: <608045123.151117.1319861669397.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>

Don't know, I could replace it.  Any way to test that?  I did replace it 4/1/2006, that could be it.

Thanks,

Craig


Oct 28, 2011 11:52:24 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote:

On 10/28/2011 10:16 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:
> Is it possible for an engine to run too cold? I had never thought this was a concern.
`
Yes, but it's not likely to be the plugs. Is your thermostat stuck open?


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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Oct 28 23:33:39 2011
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 23:33:39 -0600
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
In-Reply-To: <608045123.151117.1319861669397.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>
References: <608045123.151117.1319861669397.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>
Message-ID: <2DC4C241-F861-44A4-99AB-25C77BD93180@comcast.net>

Try this test.

With a cold engine.  Start the car, turn the heater valve on full  
blast and CAREFULLY feel the upper hose and compare its temp to the  
temp of the heater hoses as the car warms up.  At some point the  
heater hoses should be hotter than the upper hose e.g. right before  
the thermostat is about to open.  If there is no temp differences of  
the hoses after the car has run awhile then the thermostat is probably  
stuck open.  Once the car has warmed up completely the hoses should be  
about equal temp and HOT so watch it.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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On Oct 28, 2011, at 10:14 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:

> Don't know, I could replace it.  Any way to test that?  I did  
> replace it 4/1/2006, that could be it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Craig
>
>
> Oct 28, 2011 11:52:24 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote:
>
> On 10/28/2011 10:16 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:
>> Is it possible for an engine to run too cold? I had never thought  
>> this was a concern.
> `
> Yes, but it's not likely to be the plugs. Is your thermostat stuck  
> open?
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Sat Oct 29 06:02:26 2011
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:02:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
In-Reply-To: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D4D011B39CAA4CC3801CE9222C2B5130@BobPC>

I had a similar problem with my TR6 and it turned out to be the switch. Take 
a look (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/HeadlightSwitch.htm) at what the 
innards of my switch looked like and you'll see why. It was an easy fix so 
it might worth checking on your car too.


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
1975 TR6 with:
Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed
Nissan Diff & CVJs



-----Original Message----- 
From: William Brewer
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights

     I got called back into work tonight. Driving in, my headlights would
flicker on and off. Once I left them off for awhile and then jiggled the
headlamp switch to the left and the lights worked again. This appears to to 
be
where the problem is, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. At the same time 
the
headlamps flicker the panel lights go out as well. I am thinking the 
problems is
in the headlamp switch, but it looks like it could be the connection at the
ignition switch. Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
     Intermittent faults are the worst...
     I just fixed the blue & white wire the came unattached at the high beam
dimmer switch. I don't see how the problem could be there.
     TIA,

     -Bill in Tehachapi


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From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Sat Oct 29 06:52:21 2011
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 08:52:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
References: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<D4D011B39CAA4CC3801CE9222C2B5130@BobPC>
Message-ID: <371007D1A82846CABCB6FC70069D6CCC@DELL05639>

How about insufficient grounding?
Paul in Athens, GA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Danielson" <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org>
To: "William Brewer" <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>; "Triumphs" 
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights


>I had a similar problem with my TR6 and it turned out to be the switch. 
>Take a look (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/HeadlightSwitch.htm) at what 
>the innards of my switch looked like and you'll see why. It was an easy fix 
>so it might worth checking on your car too.
>
>
> Bob Danielson
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
> 1975 TR6 with:
> Throttle Body Injection
> Toyota 5 Speed
> Nissan Diff & CVJs
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: William Brewer
> Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:20 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
>
>     I got called back into work tonight. Driving in, my headlights would
> flicker on and off. Once I left them off for awhile and then jiggled the
> headlamp switch to the left and the lights worked again. This appears to 
> to be
> where the problem is, but I wouldn't stake my life on it. At the same time 
> the
> headlamps flicker the panel lights go out as well. I am thinking the 
> problems is
> in the headlamp switch, but it looks like it could be the connection at 
> the
> ignition switch. Is there anywhere else I should be looking?
>     Intermittent faults are the worst...
>     I just fixed the blue & white wire the came unattached at the high 
> beam
> dimmer switch. I don't see how the problem could be there.
>     TIA,
>
>     -Bill in Tehachapi
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Sat Oct 29 07:23:31 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:23:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only? - What is it in pic #2?
In-Reply-To: <1319858982.24446.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1319858982.24446.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE64551616F485-1834-5926F@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>

 I think you're pretty close. Take a look at this shot of a Singer SM1500
Roadster:

<http://www.classicandsportscar.ltd.uk/images_catalogue/large/singer_sm_10_15
70.jpg>



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

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Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:17 am
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only? - What is it in pic #2?


    In the posting for Triumphs Only on Ebay, in the second picture (with the
water tank in it), what is the car on the far left? I initially thought that
it
could be a 1950-1954 Morgan +4, but the tail isn't right. Now I am thinking
that

it is an early 50's Singer LeMans.

     Any ideas?

     Didn't Wayne originally want something like $650,000 for the lot last
summer?

     -Bill in Tehachapi

From: Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Only?
Message-ID: <4EAB53EB.3000102 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Yes, I think it's mostly real. It's what's left of Wayne Bier's "Triumph
Only" business that he moved to Stockton from San Jose.  I know he had
been trying to sell the business for some time.
Bob

On 10/28/2011 4:57 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> What's Up with this ebay listing:
> "Triumph 30 yr Parts collection, , TR2, TR3, TR4, TR6, TR7, TR8, Stag, GT6,
>   Spit"
>
> It started at 250K and now is 195K, Buy it Now.  Anyone know of this?  Is
> this a real investment opportunity?
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
>
> The inventory is located in Stockton California
>      Item number: 160671995346
>      Item number: 160671995346
> (1.5 hrs east of San Francisco)
>      Item number: 160671995346
> Ebay Item # 160671995346
>
> Darrell


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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 29 07:51:54 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 06:51:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
In-Reply-To: <371007D1A82846CABCB6FC70069D6CCC@DELL05639>
References: <1319854853.78875.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><D4D011B39CAA4CC3801CE9222C2B5130@BobPC>
	<371007D1A82846CABCB6FC70069D6CCC@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <007f01cc9641$eb530930$0501a8c0@randall>

> How about insufficient grounding?

Not likely given Bill's description, IMO, since each headlight is grounded
separately, as are the dash lights.  It's very unlikely that all 3 grounds
would open up at the same time.

-- Randall  

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Sat Oct 29 07:58:26 2011
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 09:58:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Fickering Headlights
In-Reply-To: <371007D1A82846CABCB6FC70069D6CCC@DELL05639>
Message-ID: <4EABCE42.22149.330BDF0@localhost>

I thought the headlights were supposed to flicker on one of the three 
switch settings.  The other settings being dim and off, of course.
-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

From anabil007 at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 08:20:10 2011
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 07:20:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only? - What is it in pic #2?
In-Reply-To: <8CE64551616F485-1834-5926F@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1319858982.24446.YahooMailRC@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<8CE64551616F485-1834-5926F@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BC71E41B-D864-4EFF-82F2-B1EBF9832A2B@comcast.net>

It is indeed a Singer, don't know about the LeMans part, but I have been
there, looked at it, definitely a Singer ..



On Oct 29, 2011, at 6:23 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:

> I think you're pretty close. Take a look at this shot of a Singer SM1500
> Roadster:
>
>
<http://www.classicandsportscar.ltd.uk/images_catalogue/large/singer_sm_10_15
> 70.jpg>
>
>
>
> --Andy Mace
>
> *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
> *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
> Herald engine with wings.
> -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)
>
> Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
> Register: http://www.vtr.org
>
> Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph
Herald
> Database: http://triumph-herald.us
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Brewer <wsb1960tr3a at att.net>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 12:17 am
> Subject: [TR] Triumphs Only? - What is it in pic #2?
>
>
>    In the posting for Triumphs Only on Ebay, in the second picture (with
the
> water tank in it), what is the car on the far left? I initially thought
that
> it
> could be a 1950-1954 Morgan +4, but the tail isn't right. Now I am thinking
> that
>
> it is an early 50's Singer LeMans.
>
>     Any ideas?
>
>     Didn't Wayne originally want something like $650,000 for the lot last



"Life is too short to drive Boring Cars"

Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA
Casper
1957 TR3
TS16665L
anabil007 at comcast.net

From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Oct 29 08:21:36 2011
From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:21:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
In-Reply-To: <608045123.151117.1319861669397.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>
References: <608045123.151117.1319861669397.JavaMail.root@vznit170078>
Message-ID: <1319898096.98869.YahooMailNeo@web29409.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Craig, another way to test if a 'stat is working or not is to remove it
completely. Put it in a saucepan or lab jar of warm water with a 212F
thermomenter. Bring the water up to boiling point and watch the temp on the
thermometer. At around 180deg, the stat should start to open quite fast. If it
doesn't, it's toast and needs replacing. Maybe you don't want to try this, so
just fit a new stat anyway. It's not as though they're costly and its always
useful to have a spare.


Jonmac

http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ 

From:
"thenicholls at verizon.net" <thenicholls at verizon.net>
>To: fishplate at charter.net
>Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011, 5:14
>Subject:
Re: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
>
>Don't know, I could replace
it.  Any way to test that?  I did replace it 4/1/2006, that could be it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Craig
>
>
>Oct 28, 2011 11:52:24 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote:
>
>On 10/28/2011 10:16 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote:
>> Is it possible
for an engine to run too cold? I had never thought this was a concern.
>`
>Yes, but it's not likely to be the plugs. Is your thermostat stuck open?
>
>
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Sat Oct 29 09:30:55 2011
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 11:30:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Drivers gloves
In-Reply-To: <00c401cc9644$33d855a0$9b8900e0$@glwb.net>
References: <00c401cc9644$33d855a0$9b8900e0$@glwb.net>
Message-ID: <BLU160-W6271BE6DCB65D8775BF074BAD00@phx.gbl>

Now if your going to be out motoring in your Triumph, no need to wear bowling
gloves or anything else. These are the official "Triumph" gloves.  :)


http://www.amazon.com/DEERSKIN-Leather-Driving-Gloves-GRANDOE/dp/B000FDLDGW/r
ef=sr_1_31?ie=UTF8&qid=1319897184&sr=8-31   Marty

From tr3 at roadrunner.com  Sat Oct 29 16:38:15 2011
From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (TRnut)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:38:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A spotted on movie in N. Zealand
Message-ID: <79CFA70D-A5D3-4297-ABD1-28176C78666C@roadrunner.com>

When watching a movie, "Bride Flight", I  spotted  a nice red TR4A,   
black top up, among Jaguars, a R. Royce and other classy cars, in a  
60's scene where well-to-do people were arriving for a fashion show.  
This movie, incidentally, is well worth watching. It is about the  
lives of Dutch immigrants in New Zealand during the  50's and 60's.
Hans
'61 TR3A

From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com  Sat Oct 29 17:32:30 2011
From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 16:32:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] TAB COVERINGS - WIRING HARNESS
Message-ID: <000301cc9693$0d42eaf0$27c8c0d0$@rr.com>

On the tabs that hold down the wiring harness on the body came with a black
covering that looks like thin PVC tubing. Does anybody have a line on a
replacement? Maybe a McMaster part number?

 

Johnnie

'67 TR4A San Diego

From ebuzzmiller at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 19:12:14 2011
From: ebuzzmiller at comcast.net (Eric Miller)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:12:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4EACA46E.6050709@comcast.net>

Bought the December 1966 issue of Road & Track about ten years ago for 
the Triumph content listed on the Cover <http://i.imgur.com/u3TY6.jpg> 
and found this Gem <http://i.imgur.com/Ct00Y.jpg> in the classifieds.

-Eric Miller
1965 TR4A

On 10/27/2011 10:26 AM, Chip19474 at aol.com wrote:
> List,
>
> Rainy day here so my wife and I headed to the basement to rearrange some
> stuff (nothing ever gets thrown out - just rearranged!).  I found our local
> town newspaper that I kept from the moon landing dated July 21, 1969, and
> after  a few minutes of moon walk nostalgia, went to the automobile ads.
>
> Wow....if we had the money/storage space/foresight. etc back then!!!
> Here's a few interesting nuggets to refresh your memory on what our cars were
> fetching in 1969:
>
> 1967 TR4A IRS, radio, heater, tonneau, wire wheels..........   $1649
> 1967 Sunbeam Alpine, radio, heater, wire wheels, low  mileage.......$1399
> 1966 Triumph Spitfire, 2 tops, radio, heater, tonneau, wire
> wheels.......$1099
>
> Here are the big bucks opportunities:
>
> 1967 GTO, hardtop, 4 sp, PS, radio, heater, vinyl  roof................$2099
> 1966 GTO convertible, 4 sp, wide ovals, radio,  heater.................$1799
>
> While these prices seem fantastic compared to the value we (and Barrett
> Jackson!) place on the cars, in the same paper, a new 20" RCA color TV was
> advertised for $258 which was a lot of money back then considering the nice
> LCD  TVs one can buy today for $258 so I guess technology has helped quality
> and  prices in some segments:)
>
> Fun reading......
>
> Chip Krout
> Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
> Skippack,  PA
> 1976 TR6 CF57822U
>
>
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Oct 29 19:14:10 2011
From: tfansher at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?dGZhbnNoZXJAY29tY2FzdC5uZXQ=?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 21:14:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TAB_COVERINGS_-_WIRING_HARNESS?=
Message-ID: <20111030011401.6E16C187666@autox.team.net>

I used black shrink wrap. 

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

----- Reply message -----
From: "John & Pat Donnelly" <pdonnel1 at san.rr.com>
Date: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 7:32 pm
Subject: [TR] TAB COVERINGS - WIRING HARNESS
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

On the tabs that hold down the wiring harness on the body came with a black
covering that looks like thin PVC tubing. Does anybody have a line on a
replacement? Maybe a McMaster part number?

 

Johnnie

'67 TR4A San Diego


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From spitlist at cox.net  Sat Oct 29 19:25:06 2011
From: spitlist at cox.net (spitlist at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 18:25:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] TAB COVERINGS - WIRING HARNESS
In-Reply-To: <000301cc9693$0d42eaf0$27c8c0d0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20111029212506.TUGXS.1255079.imail@fed1rmwml44>

Go to an electronics store and get an appropriate size of heat shrink tubing.  Cut it a bit longer than the tab and shrink it in place.  It will remain flexible and more importantly will not slip off.

Joe


---- John & Pat Donnelly <pdonnel1 at san.rr.com> wrote: 
> On the tabs that hold down the wiring harness on the body came with a black
> covering that looks like thin PVC tubing. Does anybody have a line on a
> replacement? Maybe a McMaster part number?
> 
>  
> 
> Johnnie
> 
> '67 TR4A San Diego
> 
> 
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Sat Oct 29 20:58:48 2011
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 22:58:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Used car ads from 1969
In-Reply-To: <4EACA46E.6050709@comcast.net>
References: <7a134.57710ffe.3bdaee55@aol.com> <4EACA46E.6050709@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CE64C6FB11A131-1834-60E90@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>

 Wow! If I'm not mistaken, that's the Cobra that the infamous Phil Spector
owned for years.

<http://thegarageblog.com/garage/the-story-of-the-once-missing-cobra-daytona-
coupe/>



--Andy Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph
Herald engine with wings.
-- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph
Register: http://www.vtr.org

Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald
Database: http://triumph-herald.us




-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Miller <ebuzzmiller at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Oct 29, 2011 9:51 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Used car ads from 1969


Bought the December 1966 issue of Road & Track about ten years ago for
the Triumph content listed on the Cover <http://i.imgur.com/u3TY6.jpg>
and found this Gem <http://i.imgur.com/Ct00Y.jpg> in the classifieds.

From agmarshall at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 30 06:03:18 2011
From: agmarshall at hotmail.com (Austin Marshall)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 06:03:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] 9
Message-ID: <SNT142-W278459E85F4817F0F3CC62CDD10@phx.gbl>

..Could you believe that you again will be able to have sex? Its true.
http://confiancaweb.com.br/com.friend.page.php?firfriend_id=64s4

From tswhitez123 at hotmail.com  Sun Oct 30 07:10:17 2011
From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:10:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] 9
In-Reply-To: <SNT142-W278459E85F4817F0F3CC62CDD10@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT142-W278459E85F4817F0F3CC62CDD10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU162-W509D638C05BDCFAEC4C2DBE5D10@phx.gbl>

My AVG anti virus blocked the URL below as a spam site.

Best regards,
Tom

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vincent.daino at march.af.mil
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 06:03:18 -0700
> Subject: Re: [TR] 9
>
> ..Could you believe that you again will be able to have sex? Its true.
> http://confiancaweb.com.br/com.friend.page.php?firfriend_id=64s4
>
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From Chip19474 at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 09:38:15 2011
From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:38:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] 1972 Triumph TR6 spark plug question
Message-ID: <44751.5e7df70b.3bded777@aol.com>

Craig,
 
I'm assuming that the car runs well after the tune-up.  I don't think  that 
"cold plugs" would suddenly cause the motor to run so cold that the temp  
needle barely budges.  If the motor runs well through the gears with the  
choke in, idles nicely, doesn't seem to be putting out any soot at the 
tailpipe,  and the plugs look to be firing cleanly, I'd first suspect the temp gauge 
 circuit back to (and including) the temp sender.
 
It could be that in the process of tuning the car, the wire to  the temp 
sender was disturbed.  Also, how is the fuel gauge  responding?  There's a 
device known as a voltage stabilizer wired into the  temp gauge and fuel gauge 
circuits.....if the fuel gauge is reading a little  funky, you may want to 
check (replace is more likely) the voltage  stabilizer.  
 
I haven't seen many temp gauges go completely bad....not always accurate  
but seldom do they just quit.  The temp senders do tend to get a bit  
out-of-wack after some years.  If your engine is running well, I'm guessing  it's 
the sender/sender wire.
 
Chip Krout
Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
Skippack,  PA
1976 TR6 CF57822U
 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2011 10:50:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
thenicholls at verizon.net writes:

My  concern is after the jets were corrected and the car tuned, the 
temperture  gauge barely comes out into the white part of the  gauge

From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sun Oct 30 13:55:37 2011
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:55:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 Grease Gun restoration
Message-ID: <00d901cc9746$483ca2a0$d8b5e7e0$@net>

I have three in the parts pile.  Any of the three will need to be stripped
and painted
1)	Unpainted but rust restorer applied (black)
2)	Painted metallic green/grey similar to 3650
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1983-ford-pg03.
jpg - maybe a tad lighter (still looking)
3)	Painted metallic blue/green similar to 45542 on
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1982-ford-pg13.
jpg 
				   Or 4433 on
http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/aclchip.aspx?image=1992-toyota-pg0
3.jpg 

Found some info at http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/tools/tf210.htm and near the
bottom of the page there pictures of a green & blue one.  Evidently
different part numbers GB2801 is green and GB2802 is blue both of mine are
GB2801 (the black one has no number)

Has anyone gone down this road before and come up with a color code?

Thanks
Carl

From GHaynesTR4 at aol.com  Sun Oct 30 14:22:30 2011
From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com (GHaynesTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Degreaser
Message-ID: <37a5d.3311701.3bdf1a16@aol.com>

Now that the TR4A body is off its frame - awaiting transfer to its new 
RATCO frame - I would like to clean 16 years of crud off before starting 
disassembly.   Have not used any of the modern water-based degreasers; any 
recommendations?
TIA, George

From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Oct 30 15:31:05 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:31:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] Degreaser
In-Reply-To: <37a5d.3311701.3bdf1a16@aol.com>
References: <37a5d.3311701.3bdf1a16@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EC9B7EB82E984CECA5DCC5BB26EA366A@bboffice>

Simple Green works well, also, you might add a little orange oil to the mix.
Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
www.triumphowners.com/1566
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"

 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of GHaynesTR4 at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Degreaser

Now that the TR4A body is off its frame - awaiting transfer to its new RATCO
frame - I would like to clean 16 years of crud off before starting 
disassembly.   Have not used any of the modern water-based degreasers; any 
recommendations?
TIA, George


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From mmarr at notwires.com  Sun Oct 30 15:44:42 2011
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:44:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] A little bit of history
Message-ID: <F20BCBD9C9D948E89391E3CA1B480373@trigeni.com>

I just returned from a week and a half in the UK.  For a country in dire 
economic straits I sure saw a lot of Aston-Martins and Maseratis...  But I 
digress.  Part of my stay was in Holton-Le-Clay, in Lincolnshire, visiting 
my bro'.  Holton-Le-Clay has a little garage (in the car repair sense), 
called Holton Motors or something similar, which, my brother said, always 
has interesting older cars on the forecourt.  So, I took a walk over there 
and they had a GT6, an E-Type 2+2, a bunch of old English motor bikes and, 
wonder of wonders, they were working on an Alvis TD(?)21, which I think is 
one of the most elegant convertibles of the 60s.  I spoke to the owner of 
the garage and told him what a beautiful car the Alvis was and he said that 
the car had some history, in that it was once owned by Douglas Bader, the 
WWII fighter ace that lost his legs in a crash before the war and then 
rejoined the RAF to fly a Spitfire with his prosthetic legs.  He told me 
that the current owner has two of the Alvises.

So, that made my day...

Mike 

From mmarr at notwires.com  Sun Oct 30 15:47:57 2011
From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:47:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Bader's Alvis
Message-ID: <0B1E936875C94E1FAB7A7A0709A56B05@trigeni.com>

I guess it was a TE21:

http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3500.asp?id=11763

Mike

From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Oct 30 17:02:26 2011
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 20:02:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Question on replacing the bushings in the steering column of
 my TR4A
Message-ID: <13A393529CC341C889DFA9DAB97C1A4F@DaveLaptop>

Hi List,
I recently received a steering column rebuilding kit I ordered from The
Roadster Factory and I am having trouble figuring out how to install the new
bushings. So far, I have tried compressing them with channel lock pliers and
even a hose clamp. Has anybody out there done this recently?
Thanks,
Dave Connitt
'67 TR4A IRS

From dogzbody1 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 30 17:45:02 2011
From: dogzbody1 at yahoo.com (Steve Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Bader's Alvis
In-Reply-To: <0B1E936875C94E1FAB7A7A0709A56B05@trigeni.com>
References: <0B1E936875C94E1FAB7A7A0709A56B05@trigeni.com>
Message-ID: <1320021902.30121.YahooMailNeo@web114712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

That would be cool to drive, it is Te21- a true classic.   I corresponded with
Mr. Bader after some leg surgey when I was a child, he actually took to
respond, I still have and treasure the letter. You may be able to tell from my
e-mail address that I;'m a long time fan.  There is a recent book on his
action over St. Omer, I met and had a nice talk with the author at Duxford, he
wouldn't tell me how the book ended but I was more than satisfied with the
research had long suspected the outcome - I won't ruin the read for you!  
 
Steve
CC25805L
Racine Wi
 

 

________________________________
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sunday, October
30, 2011 5:47 PM
Subject: [TR] Bader's Alvis

I guess it was a TE21:
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/magazine/3500.asp?id=11763

Mike
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From keithstewart at execulink.com  Sun Oct 30 19:01:00 2011
From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 22:01:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] TAB COVERINGS - WIRING HARNESS
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On 2011-10-30, at 3:00 PM, John & Pat Donnelly" <pdonnel1 at san.rr.com> wrote:
>
> On the tabs that hold down the wiring harness on the body came with a black
> covering that looks like thin PVC tubing. Does anybody have a line on a
> replacement? Maybe a McMaster part number?


I bought a length of the wiring harness covering that British Wiring sells and
just cut pieces off to fit as needed.

Keith R. Stewart
75 Camden Road
London, Ontario
N5X 2K2
Home: (519) 660-1916
E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com

From darrellw360 at mac.com  Sun Oct 30 19:21:22 2011
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:21:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] Question on replacing the bushings in the steering column
 of my TR4A
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References: <13A393529CC341C889DFA9DAB97C1A4F@DaveLaptop>
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Hi Dave,

I used threaded rod, washers and nuts to make a puller to remove/install them.  Put a little silicone spray or soapy water on them to help make it easier.

-Darrell

On Oct 30, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:

> Hi List,
> I recently received a steering column rebuilding kit I ordered from The
> Roadster Factory and I am having trouble figuring out how to install the new
> bushings. So far, I have tried compressing them with channel lock pliers and
> even a hose clamp. Has anybody out there done this recently?
> Thanks,
> Dave Connitt
> '67 TR4A IRS
> 
> 
> triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
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From david.brister at wanadoo.fr  Mon Oct 31 00:46:50 2011
From: david.brister at wanadoo.fr (David Brister)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:46:50 +0100
Subject: [TR] 9
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So did mine!

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From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Mon Oct 31 05:52:46 2011
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 05:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
Message-ID: <1320065566.43586.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi folks.  
 
I have a fuel filter on my TR6 that you can see through, and am
wondering how much gas there should actually be in there at any given time. 
It seems kind of low - only about 1/5 full whether the engine is running or
turned off.  
 
Joe Merone
South Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Mon Oct 31 07:13:29 2011
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:13:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
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References: <1320065566.43586.YahooMailNeo@web160306.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <822227F1F2784ED58F6C2F4E02077092@BobPC>

Sounds the same as mine..........


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
1975 TR6 with:
Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed
Nissan Diff & CVJs

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joe Merone
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:52 AM
To: Triumph List ; 6 Pack list
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter

Hi folks.

I have a fuel filter on my TR6 that you can see through, and am
wondering how much gas there should actually be in there at any given time.
It seems kind of low - only about 1/5 full whether the engine is running or
turned off.

Joe Merone
South Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed


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From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Mon Oct 31 08:18:28 2011
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 08:18:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
In-Reply-To: <F7D99B85-BA3E-4991-8DAE-AECB73B4C1E4@comcast.net>
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Actually, that's exactly my concern.  Some details:  
 
All of a sudden my car
is taking a LONG time to fire when starting cold.  It used to start right
up as soon as I touched the key.  I'm giving it choke as usual, but it seems
like it's not getting enough fuel.  Once warm, the idle is ok - but there's a
persistent stumble happening at around 2200 RPM while under way.  It seems to
be skipping, and the throttle feels 'squishy' - like it's not all there under
foot.  When you punch it or run at a high speed however - it's ok.  
 
Running
with high-torque starter and a Pertronix ignition and coil.  The fuel pump was
replaced two seasons ago.     
 
Joe Merone
 
 
To: Joe
Merone <jmerone at rocketmail.com>
Cc: Triumph List <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6
Pack list <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: [6pack] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter

How has your car been
running? Any concerns there with acceleration or starvation? Regards Joe

Joe
Honor / Sent from my iPhone

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 09:30:38 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:30:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
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The level in the filter has very little to do with anything.  All you are
seeing is how much air is trapped in the filter.

If you want it to be higher, tip the filter so the outlet is higher than the
level of the fuel, while the engine is running.

Sorry, no help on your running problems, except that I would be looking at
ignition first.

-- Randall  

From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 09:52:39 2011
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:52:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
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Joe, I would think a partially obstructed fuel filter would result in a
hesitation when you punched it and would probably run smooth at constant
RPM.B  You symtoms soundB very similar to what I was experiencing each time
the Petronix started to give out. It certainly wouldn't hurt to replace t he
filter element, but, if that fails, try putting some points in and see what
happens.

B B 
Bob


----- Original Message -----


From: "Joe Merone" <jmerone at rocketmail.com>
To: "Joe Honor" <j.honor at comcast.net>
Cc: "Triumph List" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "6 Pack list"
<6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:18:28 AM
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter

Actually, that's exactly my concern. B Some details: B 
B 
All of a sudden my car
is taking a LONG time to fire when starting cold. B It used to start right
up as soon as I touched the key. B I'm giving it choke as usual, but it seems
like it's not getting enough fuel. B Once warm, the idle is ok - but there's a
persistent stumble happening at around 2200 RPM while under way. B It seems to
be skipping, and the throttle feels 'squishy' - like it's not all there under
foot. B When you punch it or run at a high speed however - it's ok. B 
B 
Running
with high-torque starter and a Pertronix ignition and coil. B The fuel pump
was
replaced two seasons ago. B  B 
B 
Joe Merone
B 

From jmerone at rocketmail.com  Mon Oct 31 10:09:16 2011
From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter (now running rough)
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	<1749804961.1224062.1320079959905.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Bob.  You have jogged my memory a bit, and you may be on to something.
 
I
accidently left the key in the 'on' postion a few weeks back for a very long
time - maybe an hour.  I have heard that this is one sure way to ruin a
Pertronix.  Maybe the coil too.  I thought that these things either worked or
they didn't.  If this is an urban myth, someone please tell me, but I think
I'm looking at swapping a couple of things out to see.  
 
Thanks,
Joe
To: Joe Merone <jmerone at rocketmail.com>
Cc: Triumph List
<triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6 Pack list <6pack at autox.team.net>; Joe Honor
<j.honor at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 12:52 PM
Subject: Re:
[TR] [6pack] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter


Joe, I would think a partially
obstructed fuel filter would result in a hesitation when you punched it and
would probably run smooth at constant RPM.  You symtoms sound very similar to
what I was experiencing each time the Petronix started to give out. It
certainly wouldn't hurt to replace the filter element, but, if that fails, try
putting some points in and see what happens.
   
Bob

From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Oct 31 11:22:33 2011
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:22:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter (now running rough)
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References: <1320074308.84410.YahooMailNeo@web160312.mail.bf1.yahoo.com><1749804961.1224062.1320079959905.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<1320080956.44026.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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> I thought that these things 
> either worked or
> they didn't.  If this is an urban myth, someone please tell 
> me,

I believe it is an urban myth.  There are many ways the ignition system
(including but not limited to the Pertronix module) can fail; some of them
are sudden and some are not.

For example, when my 2 year old Lucas coil died, the engine would start with
great difficulty and idle more-or-less normally, but not pull a load at all.

-- Randall  

From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Oct 31 12:20:42 2011
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:20:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter
In-Reply-To: <822227F1F2784ED58F6C2F4E02077092@BobPC>
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	<822227F1F2784ED58F6C2F4E02077092@BobPC>
Message-ID: <8B9759C728B04618997C11CF36F2D195@bboffice>

My TR3 filter is the same way too, it doesn't look like there is much in
there, runs great all the way to the red line+.
Bill

Bill Beecher
'58 TR-3A TS30766L  "Tarbaby"
www.triumphowners.com/1566
"A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of
course, some times it is difficult to make it go"

 

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:13 AM
To: Joe Merone; Triumph List; 6 Pack list
Subject: Re: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter

Sounds the same as mine..........


Bob Danielson
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org
1975 TR6 with:
Throttle Body Injection
Toyota 5 Speed
Nissan Diff & CVJs

-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Merone
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 8:52 AM
To: Triumph List ; 6 Pack list
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter

Hi folks.

I have a fuel filter on my TR6 that you can see through, and am wondering
how much gas there should actually be in there at any given time.
It seems kind of low - only about 1/5 full whether the engine is running or
turned off.

Joe Merone
South Burlington, VT
CF18928 5-speed


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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Mon Oct 31 17:34:30 2011
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:34:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] Proper level in TR6 fuel filter (now running rough)
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I'm pretty sure I killed my xr700 crane module that way..... was walking my
dog and had left the car on the driveway. Grabbed a beer from the garage
fridge and the dog and I sat in the car and listened to tunes for maybe an
hour (or 3or so beers worth).  Next day car starts having issues 20 miles
or so away from home.  Ignition issues....

That crane was a good system for over 14 years so I have no complaints, but
feel guilty that I killed it..

From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 23:35:07 2011
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:35:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Driving Gloves
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Got mine from Pusateri a glove maker in Firenze, (Florence) Italy back  
in 2005.  Fingerless driving gloves for $45 and worth every penny.


Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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On Oct 27, 2011, at 6:04 AM, Chip19474 at aol.com wrote:

> List,
>
> Since I don't drive the TR6 top down very often in cold weather, the
> steering wheel is usually at a fairly reasonable temperature and my  
> hands are
> warm enough for a good grip.  Lately; however, on those crisp cool  
> days  like
> we had last Saturday, the wheel was cold and my hands weren't much   
> better.
>
> So, I think I'll be adding driving gloves to my Christmas list from  
> the
> kids!  For those of you that use driving gloves....what do you  
> have?   Where
> did you purchase them?  Did you visit a store and try on several   
> pairs (like
> buying shoes) to get the "best fit"?  I'm hoping that this  purchase  
> will
> not require a trip to a Mall:)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chip Krout
> Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd.
> Skippack,  PA
> 1976 TR6 CF57822U
>
>
> triumphs at autox.team.net
>
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