From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 05:39:40 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 04:39:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] TR# trunnions Message-ID: <512221.62298.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Randall wrote: Yup, the 4A uses the same design as the TR5/250/6.? Earlier TRs (like the one Frank is working on) were different, though. -- Randall? ------------------------------- OK so now I know the TR3's are different than the TR4A->6's, BUT!: 1- how are they different? 2- are they like the TR4 trunnion's? ?I have a set of these (TR4)?somewhere stored away. The TR4's are narrower in diameter as well as the vertical link & the Trunnions have a different Castor angle (I think?0^ where the TR4A->6 have a 1^ angle of Castor, I THINK?).?-Cosmo Kramer From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 1 09:05:57 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 08:05:57 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR# trunnions In-Reply-To: <512221.62298.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <512221.62298.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1b6101cbd82a$8d631ca0$0301a8c0@randall> > OK so now I know the TR3's are different than the TR4A->6's, BUT!: > 1- how are they different? > 2- are they like the TR4 trunnion's? Early TR4 used the same trunnion as TR2-3B, with zero caster. Later TR4 used a trunnion that looks very similar to the early one, but with a 3 degree angle between the pin & bore. -- Randall From dconnitt at fuse.net Tue Mar 1 17:23:36 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:23:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Scuttle vent drain tubes. Message-ID: <0A4F6A83FF7746D5B5D7D424F7684B77@DaveLaptop> Hi List, It took me awhile to find this website again but there is a really nice application of a Ford Mustang "quarter panel plug" that a guy used when restoring his TR6 to vent the scuttle out the front of the metal baffle that goes between the outer fender and the inner fender. I have seen other attempts at routing that little rubber hose thru a hole cut into the sill but this is really slick and not that expensive. If you go to the link below and scroll down a little past halfway, you will see a picture of the Mustang part in the package and the next picture shows the drain plugs installed. Very slick.. http://www.74tr6.com/repainting.htm There is a lot of other nice improvements detailed on this website but I thought I would pass along this nice scuttle vent idea. Dave Connitt From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Mar 1 19:47:09 2011 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:47:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] Scuttle vent drain tubes. In-Reply-To: <0A4F6A83FF7746D5B5D7D424F7684B77@DaveLaptop> References: <0A4F6A83FF7746D5B5D7D424F7684B77@DaveLaptop> Message-ID: <449D0F2BBA9C414F8097160D38CBDFC8@laptopPC> The guy is Paul Rego who's very active in the BCF and 6-Pack Forums. He and his wife are the original owners of the TR6 and just recently added a TR8 to the stable. Paul's site is a wealth of information that is extremely well documented. Spend some time on his site and you'll learn a bunch of stuff. Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 running with Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:23 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Scuttle vent drain tubes. Hi List, It took me awhile to find this website again but there is a really nice application of a Ford Mustang "quarter panel plug" that a guy used when restoring his TR6 to vent the scuttle out the front of the metal baffle that goes between the outer fender and the inner fender. I have seen other attempts at routing that little rubber hose thru a hole cut into the sill but this is really slick and not that expensive. If you go to the link below and scroll down a little past halfway, you will see a picture of the Mustang part in the package and the next picture shows the drain plugs installed. Very slick.. http://www.74tr6.com/repainting.htm There is a lot of other nice improvements detailed on this website but I thought I would pass along this nice scuttle vent idea. Dave Connitt _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From cofrog at q.com Wed Mar 2 11:35:06 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 18:35:06 +0000 Subject: [TR] Goodparts Springs For Sale Message-ID: I have a set of front and rear Goodparts springs for TR4a-TR6 I'd like to sell. They list for $89/pair. I'll sell for $100 for all four plus shipping. Thanks, Dan Forgey From cofrog at q.com Wed Mar 2 13:46:39 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (Dan Forgey) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:46:39 +0000 Subject: [TR] Goodparts Springs Message-ID: They've sold. From Footfrek at aol.com Wed Mar 2 23:59:20 2011 From: Footfrek at aol.com (Footfrek at aol.com) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 01:59:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Brake Parts Message-ID: <1973c.28a188ac.3aa09648@aol.com> I have cleaned the springs and adjusters for the rear drums should I try to paint the springs and clips for protection or just leave them natural? I soaked the parts overnight in a 50/50 water CLR mixture and all I can say is WOW!!!! I thought I would need new clips and pins but they look almost new. Got the soaking tip from 74tr6.com. I was so amazed. Thanks for any suggestions are helpful. Small victories now are huge. Jason Owen 70 TR6 From tr6parts at charter.net Thu Mar 3 05:28:47 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:28:47 -0500 Subject: [TR] [6pack] Brake Parts References: <1973c.28a188ac.3aa09648@aol.com> Message-ID: I would order new brake springs since you've got it apart. They aren't that expensive. Yours could be up to 40 years old, I have seen them snap. Better to be on the safe side. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <6pack at autox.team.net>; Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 1:59 AM Subject: [6pack] Brake Parts >I have cleaned the springs and adjusters for the rear drums should I > try to paint the springs and clips for protection or just leave them > natural? I soaked the parts overnight in a 50/50 water CLR mixture and > all I can > say is WOW!!!! I thought I would need new clips and pins but they > look almost new. Got the soaking tip from 74tr6.com. I was so amazed. > Thanks for any suggestions are helpful. Small victories now are huge. > > Jason Owen > 70 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6parts at charter.net > > From dkspence at telus.net Fri Mar 4 10:58:07 2011 From: dkspence at telus.net (Don Spence) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:58:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR 6 top on a TR4A? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60B9CDA9-25F1-40DB-B138-588BA5588612@telus.net> Has anyone successfully converted a TR4, 4A or 250 to the TR6 top frame? What was involved? please reply by p mail as I am on digest and need the info in a hurry. Thanks From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:07:06 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:07:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] Looking for Spitfire cam details Message-ID: My 1296 spitfire has a cam identified as a REED K5729 in it. Apparently Reed has gone out of business at some point in the past. I am trying to find the spec sheet for this camshaft. Any chance one of you has this cam and saved the spec sheet? Thanks, Marty From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Fri Mar 4 21:27:58 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 20:27:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] gas tank Message-ID: <398300.1066.qm@web65316.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> I'm wondering about peoples experiences with cleaning out and coating inside gas tanks (tr-3). Looking inside I see there are two baffles, resulting in a separate area at each end. I have some rust in the seam as well as around the exit hole. I'm guessing that nothing much can be done about the area inside the baffled area. I'm also not sure what to use to knock the rust loose as I'm afraid that anything i use (bolts nuts ect) might get inside the baffled area and not be able to get it out. maybe just do what i can and then change filters a lot its running? thanks gary n. From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Mar 5 06:45:31 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:45:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] gas tank Message-ID: <1ec90.14dd7963.3aa3987b@cs.com> In a message dated 3/4/2011 10:45:27 PM Central Standard Time, nafzigerg at yahoo.com writes: > I'm wondering about peoples experiences with cleaning out and coating > inside gas > tanks (tr-3). Looking inside I see there are two baffles, resulting in a > separate area at each end. I have some rust in the seam as well as around > the > exit hole. I'm guessing that nothing much can be done about the area > inside the > baffled area. I'm also not sure what to use to knock the rust loose as > I'm > afraid that anything i use (bolts nuts ect) might get inside the baffled > area > and not be able to get it out. > I took mine to a radiator shop and had it prefessionally cleaned and sealed. That cost me less than $100. Dave From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sat Mar 5 07:37:50 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 09:37:50 -0500 Subject: [TR] gas tank In-Reply-To: <1ec90.14dd7963.3aa3987b@cs.com> References: <1ec90.14dd7963.3aa3987b@cs.com> Message-ID: Ditto - they also fixed a couple pin-hole leaks that I didn't even know about. (They admitted it may have been caused by the cleaning process though) May have been slightly more than $100 but not much. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey at cs.com Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 8:46 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] gas tank I took mine to a radiator shop and had it professionally cleaned and sealed. That cost me less than $100. Dave From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Sat Mar 5 21:24:59 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:24:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] gas tank Message-ID: <142322.20466.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I poured in a bag of crushed gravel in mine and turned it over and over. I was grinding out an old sealer that was flaking off. After that I slushed it out with Muriatic acid. After this, I used the instructions with my KBS Coatings kit and used their wash, prep and sealer. It all worked great. I bought the kit sized for the motorcycle tank and it was perfect for the TR3 tank. No complaints. Good radiator shops were too far away. YMMV, Bill in Tehachapi Message: 1 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 20:27:58 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Nafziger Subject: [TR] gas tank To: triumphs at autox.team.net Message-ID: <398300.1066.qm at web65316.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm wondering about peoples experiences with cleaning out and coating inside gas tanks (tr-3). Looking inside I see there are two baffles, resulting in a separate area at each end. I have some rust in the seam as well as around the exit hole. I'm guessing that nothing much can be done about the area inside the baffled area. I'm also not sure what to use to knock the rust loose as I'm afraid that anything i use (bolts nuts ect) might get inside the baffled area and not be able to get it out. maybe just do what i can and then change filters a lot its running? thanks gary n. From Footfrek at aol.com Sat Mar 5 22:33:42 2011 From: Footfrek at aol.com (Footfrek at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:33:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Girling 70 Message-ID: <1caaf.45b92255.3aa476b6@aol.com> Is the Girling 70 the .70 clutch master cylinder this came off of a 70 TR6. Thank you Jason M. Owen From guy at genfiniti.com Sun Mar 6 07:28:39 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:28:39 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Replace ignition lock barrel Message-ID: All, A while back I bought a set of locks, long with the boot handle, from Moss to replace all of my locks, and get a set of new keys. I've managed to get everything in place, save the ignition, which I started into yesterday. Can anyone tell me how to remove the old lock barrel from the switch? I've unpeened the three tabs that hold the electrics assembly to the outer cylinder, and was able to extract it about 1/8". Of course this also pulls the barrel along with it, but eventually it snags. I also tried pulling the barrel out through the front, but no joy. There is a small hole found in the outer cylinder that I suspect, no pun intended here, is the "key". But I just don't know what to do and need some advice. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 6 08:03:58 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:03:58 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Replace ignition lock barrel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <225101cbdc0f$b901bc70$0301a8c0@randall> > There is a small hole found in the outer cylinder that I > suspect, no pun intended here, is the "key". > But I just don't know what to do and need some advice. If it works the same as the TR3 switch, you have to insert the key and turn it to the 'on' position, then push a punch or similar through that hole to depress the button. While holding the button depressed, pull on the key and the cylinder should come out with it. -- Randall From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Sun Mar 6 09:14:26 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:14:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Palo Alto British Car Meet? Message-ID: <936114.66950.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> There used to be an all British car show in Palo Alto at Stanford Park. I haven't been in many years. Do they still have it? Can someone send me the link? Thanks, Bill in Tehachapi From Footfrek at aol.com Sun Mar 6 09:50:49 2011 From: Footfrek at aol.com (Footfrek at aol.com) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:50:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Throttle coupler Message-ID: Does anyone know a source for machined carburetor linkages instead of the folded medal units? I saw them on a website and can not remember where it was. Thank You Jason M. Owen From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 6 10:57:25 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:57:25 -0800 Subject: [TR] Throttle coupler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22be01cbdc27$f3919230$0301a8c0@randall> Probably not the ones you saw, but there are all sorts of small shaft couplings that would work. For example, MMC P/N 6208k98: http://www.mcmaster.com/#6208k98/=bbftsh (though you might have to shorten the shaft a bit). -- Randall From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 6 10:59:55 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:59:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] tr3 loud noise on braking Message-ID: <728332.78662.qm@web120211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> still working the bugs out of buddies newly restored TR3. during easy or very hard acceleration we have no problems. easy to medium braking = no problems. but when you hit the brakes real hard there is a large "clunk" noise that comes from the rear. like the axle. checked all the bolts for tightness and nothing loose. took the brakes apart and checked them. all seem good. thoughts? thanks Frank From kinderlehrer at comcast.net Sun Mar 6 11:26:27 2011 From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:26:27 -0800 Subject: [TR] Palo Alto British Car Meet? In-Reply-To: <936114.66950.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <936114.66950.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D73D1D3.4080101@comcast.net> Hi Bill, Three or more years ago, the City of Palo Alto t old the organizers that they city was going to develop that property into a flood control pond or some such thing and that there would be no more car shows. The All British Meet tried to carry on in Brisbane but that venue never caught on and I believe the show is now defunct. Meanwhile the city hasn't done anything yet and they are allowing the history museum to have a car show there this spring - they've also been told this is the last year. That leaves the UC East Bay show, usually pretty small, and the Autumn Classic which is being taken over by Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club this year. HTH Bob On 3/6/2011 8:14 AM, William Brewer wrote: > There used to be an all British car show in Palo Alto at Stanford Park. I haven't been in many years. Do they still have it? Can someone send me the link? > Thanks, > > Bill in Tehachapi > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kinderlehrer at comcast.net > > > From pete_groh at yahoo.com Sun Mar 6 12:43:54 2011 From: pete_groh at yahoo.com (Pete Groh) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:43:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Lost key, replacement lock insert "TR4A - Replace ignition lock barrel" Message-ID: <132327.11224.qm@web113416.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Guy Pete Groh here. If you have a key code number on the face of the lock insert, send me the key code number and your mailing address. I will put a key in the mail to you. To remove the lock insert from any early British car, insert the correct key, depress the BRASS pin on the side of the switch. The lock insert should come out. I have this site off of my own web page: Key to my Heart The in's and out's of keys for the (early) Anglia, Prefect, Popular and Thames http://www.angliaobsolete.com/keys.html Hope this is of some help. Kind regards Pete Groh (KeyGuy) Ellicott City MD USA From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Mar 6 13:13:02 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 15:13:02 -0500 Subject: [TR] tr3 loud noise on braking In-Reply-To: <728332.78662.qm@web120211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <728332.78662.qm@web120211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201103061513.03614.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Sunday, March 06, 2011 12:59:55 pm Frank Fisher wrote: > still working the bugs out of buddies newly restored TR3. > during easy or very hard acceleration we have no problems. > easy to medium braking = no problems. > but when you hit the brakes real hard there is a large "clunk" noise that > comes from the rear. like the axle. > checked all the bolts for tightness and nothing loose. > took the brakes apart and checked them. all seem good. > thoughts? > > thanks > Frank > > Frank, I would check the rear shocks to make sure they are tight. Common problem with the 3s and 4s. Bob From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 6 14:22:47 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:22:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] What's the specification? Message-ID: <52644.72646.qm@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi list! Well, I finely got a chance to check out my left front hub for wheel wobbly. I took the list's advice on checking out the front hub by use of a dial indicator. Placing the movable 'pin' as close to the outside face of the hub & rotating the disc slowly (without moving the alignment of the hub to the needle, to get a reading of .030" of a lateral waver. Question: Is that with in spects? What is the specifications????? ?I know that anything more than .003" of lateral movement on the flywheel is the max it can be. I also noticed that one wheel stud?is able to be pushed out with the light pressure with my figure. I'll have to get that fixed later, but I'm now thinking if it's necessary to get the hub refaced?If I don't reply to you right away, it most likely that I read your reply on the digest. ?-Cosmo Kramer From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 15:16:56 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 17:16:56 -0500 Subject: [TR] What impacts occur when using Heavier pistons Message-ID: I just got my new 87 mm pistons in for my tr4 rebuild. They are County brand and significantly heavier than the pistons I took out. The skirts are at least 1/8 in thick. These things are beefy. I'm guessing that additional weight have an impact that's similar to adding weight to the flywheel. It worries me to have that additional weight whirring around and pulling on the crankshaft. I'm going to have the crank balanced with flywheel attached - and also have the rods and pistons balanced. Is this a significant enough problem to try to find a different brand of Pistons? Thanks Chris From yellowtr at adelphia.net Mon Mar 7 05:06:15 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:06:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] 15 * 6 VTO wheels Message-ID: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hello, I am thinking of putting 15 * 6 VTO wheels on my 58 3. Question is will my 165/15s fit on those rims? If not what tire is recommended for this rim. I have 15 * 6 Superlites on my 6 but I put 205/15s on them. I would go with the superlites but I cant find them any where on the web. Thanks, Bob From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 7 07:15:37 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 06:15:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Specifications of warp in front hub? Message-ID: <589317.39848.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List! Well, I sent this (or at least I thought that I sent it) yesterday, then received my TR Digest & did NOT see it posted & I haven't received another TR Digest yet. So I'm sending it again, to explain why you have seen this thread before. I took the advice of the list to measure the difference in lateral deviation in my front hub, because people who drive by me yell to me that my left. F. wheel?has a wobble in it.?Using the dial indicator attached to a magnetic base & the dial's needle out to the outside edge of the hub's face. I then moved the?rotor in a circular forward motion without turning the rotor?laterally left or right. .030" is the lateral deviation of the hub's face, or the amount of warp of the hub''s face. Questions: 1- What is the?max. amount of warp excepted in the front hub before having the hub's face resurfaced?? I know that the max. amount of warp on the flywheel is no more than .003", but what's it for the front hub before having to have it refaced? 2- I found that one wheel stud was so loose that I could push it out with just my figure. Could that be the cause of the wheel wobble???? I can fix that later, but I'm wondering if I need to have the hub resurfaced, because I'll then have to disassemble the hub from the rotor & remove all the 4 wheel studs before taking it to a machinist. 3- Can this operation take place on a normal lath??? OR?? Is there a special machine to do this operation? TIA,-Cosmo Kramer From darrellw at ipns.com Mon Mar 7 08:37:14 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:37:14 -0800 Subject: [TR] 15 * 6 VTO wheels In-Reply-To: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: Hi Bob, I think a 6" wide wheel is too wide for a 165 tire. Good choices would appear to be: 195/70R15 (though appears to be mostly a light truck size) 205/65R15 (nearly an identical diameter as a 165/80 15) -Darrell On Mar 7, 2011, at 4:06 AM, Bob wrote: > Hello, > > I am thinking of putting 15 * 6 VTO wheels on my 58 3. Question is will my > 165/15s fit on those rims? If not what tire is recommended for this rim. > > I have 15 * 6 Superlites on my 6 but I put 205/15s on them. > > I would go with the superlites but I cant find them any where on the web. > > Thanks, > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw at ipns.com > From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 7 13:20:26 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 12:20:26 -0800 Subject: [TR] 15 * 6 VTO wheels In-Reply-To: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <003101cbdd05$18b967d0$4a2c3770$@rr.com> > I am thinking of putting 15 * 6 VTO wheels on my 58 3. Question is will > my > 165/15s fit on those rims? Best to check with the tire maker, as they aren't always the same. A quick check shows that Continental allows their 165/60-15 to be on rims up to 6.5". http://tireselector.conti-online.com/size.php But another important question is what will fit on the car, and that depends to some extent on the offset of your proposed wheels. I can just barely squeeze my 205/55-15 tires under the rear fenders when mounted on 5.5" TR6 rims, but they rubbed when mounted on vintage aftermarket 5.5" alloy rims. -- Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 7 17:10:16 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:10:16 -0800 Subject: [TR] Specifications of warp in front hub? In-Reply-To: <589317.39848.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <589317.39848.qm@web39422.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a501cbdd25$347c9760$9d75c620$@rr.com> > Well, I sent this (or at least I thought that I sent it) yesterday, You did, as I got it. > 1- What is the max. amount of warp excepted in the front hub before > having the > hub's face resurfaced? I do not know of a specification for that. But .030" at the hub shouldn't cause more than about .090" (3 times) at the tire, which doesn't seem like enough to worry about. > 2- I found that one wheel stud was so loose that I could push it out > with just > my figure. Could that be the cause of the wheel wobble? Seems unlikely to me. Still, it's kind of worrisome, I might think about looking for another hub. > I can fix that later, How were you planning to fix it? If it involves welding or peening, then I would leave any truing operation until later. > 3- Can this operation take place on a normal lath? I'm sure there is a way, but I haven't figured out the best approach yet. I'm thinking perhaps load the bearings into the hub, then mount it between centers and rig some sort of drive dog to turn it. But right now the garage is such a disaster area that I can't even get to the lathe, let alone work on it. And I'll need a bigger center. -- Randall From dlylis at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 03:54:11 2011 From: dlylis at gmail.com (David Lylis) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 05:54:11 -0500 Subject: [TR] 15 * 6 VTO wheels In-Reply-To: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> References: <201103070706.16166.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Message-ID: I would recommend going to a 185/70 tire such as Vredestein Classic Sport. It looks beefier and has a radial period correct look. That is what I did with my 60 TR3A with the superlite aftermarkets from Moss. On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:06 AM, Bob wrote: > Hello, > > I am thinking of putting 15 * 6 VTO wheels on my 58 3. Question is will my > 165/15s fit on those rims? If not what tire is recommended for this rim. > > I have 15 * 6 Superlites on my 6 but I put 205/15s on them. > > I would go with the superlites but I cant find them any where on the web. > > Thanks, > > Bob > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlylis at gmail.com > > From Catpusher at aol.com Tue Mar 8 20:06:47 2011 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:06:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Subject: Re: Specifications of warp in front hub? Message-ID: Our 1970 GT6+ was delivered with one front hub about 0.012" out. It took a few years to catch it as the OEM Goodyears kept going out of round and the OEM steel wheels were on the loose side of specks for run out. When I put alloys on, I spotted the problem. I cranked the bearings to a slight pre load and measured the actual run out (btw the rotor was true) Knocked the studs out and set it up on the lathe (4 jaw) with the same dial ind. and made it true; double checked it on the car and it was right on. A GT6 is much more sensitive to run out, but you do need to find the cause of your problem. Hardy Subject: Re: [TR] Specifications of warp in front hub? From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 08:30:05 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:30:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] car show Message-ID: <69780.77202.qm@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> to my UK brothers, looks like ill be in England march 22-30. any shows or events happening? From elangtr4 at aol.com Wed Mar 9 13:47:44 2011 From: elangtr4 at aol.com (elangtr4 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 15:47:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] car shows Message-ID: <8CDACB25FF77EBC-808-4E7A@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com> Frank, You might want to pick up a recent edition of "Classic Cars" magazine. It's a popular UK publication available at most Borders or Barnes and Noble. They cover many events in the UK. There are always many great photos from events all over Europe. Eric 71 TR6 From TRDOCTOR at aol.com Wed Mar 9 14:25:15 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at aol.com (TRDOCTOR at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:25:15 EST Subject: [TR] Subject: Re: Specifications of warp in front hub? Message-ID: <2e27.78e8ddb7.3aa94a3b@aol.com> A GT6 is much more sensitive to run out, but you do need to find the cause of your problem. Fortunately with our recent purchase of a 1972 MK3 the ride has been as smooth as silk with the original wheels and with the alloys. Obviously the person we bought the car from did an excellent job with the suspension work that was done. I had a friend drive it a while back and he was amazed at the stability of the car and we both own TR6's and do our own work on them. The only thing I have attempted to do (besides of the usual maintenance) was to attempt to put a spin on oil adapter on it and that didn't work out so I am back with the canister. Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 9 16:14:25 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:14:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] car show In-Reply-To: <69780.77202.qm@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <69780.77202.qm@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <925298.52807.qm@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi, Frank We're still (mostly) looking after our running noses at this time of year and the Classic show season doesn't really start to get moving until end April / May - which is usually just in time to herald (no pun) a wet British summer. However, I've found www.classicshows.co.uk a good place to see what's happening around the country. Good luck, enjoy - and if you can bring some sun we'd appreciate it. Jonmac ________________________________ From: Frank Fisher To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, 9 March, 2011 15:30:05 Subject: [TR] car show to my UK brothers, looks like ill be in England march 22-30. any shows or events happening? ? ? ? _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Wed Mar 9 16:22:39 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:22:39 EST Subject: [TR] car show Message-ID: <856be.6fce8611.3aa965bf@aol.com> I'd look at the Ace Cafe (London) website; they have great car events every month. Also, be sure to go to Brooklands motor circuit, Weybridge, Surrey. They have a great museum, which includes old aircraft too, and there are often old car events. You can even walk out on the historic Brooklands banking (part of the track that was built in 1907). The buildings there have been restored exactly as they were originally. There are probably indoor classic car shows going on around the country too, such as at the NEC in Birmingham. These are more like a Detroit Auto Show but for classic cars. Hoping you have a great trip. Oh, also go to the British Heritage Motor Museum in Gaydon, Warwickshire, _http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/_ (http://www.heritage-motor-centre.co.uk/) Tim Dyer, Kings Creek Trees and Ornamentals Professional growers of quality tree seedlings and distinctive perennials in the Ottawa, Canada area. _www.kingscreektrees.com_ (http://www.kingscreektrees.com/) Quality is remembered long after price is forgotten Proud members of Landscape Ontario, Christmas Tree Farmers of Ontario, the Ottawa Botanical Garden Society and several horticultural societies. From kinderlehrer at comcast.net Wed Mar 9 18:59:34 2011 From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:59:34 -0800 Subject: [TR] car show -sort of In-Reply-To: <856be.6fce8611.3aa965bf@aol.com> References: <856be.6fce8611.3aa965bf@aol.com> Message-ID: <4D783086.7080107@comcast.net> In a related vein, if anyone is going to be in or around the San Francisco Peninsula this Saturday morning, Graham Robson will be joining us at the Main Street Cafe, 134 Main Street, in Los Altos. Parking is in the rear. This is the regular site of the "Donut Derelicts", a very informal group of gear heads and car nuts of all ages and inclinations and there are bound to be a lot of interesting cars that are not Triumphs as well. He should be there around 8:30 and stay until 11:00ish. If there is no one in the parking lot behind the cafe (on State St.), it's because we are all still inside getting high on caffeine at the tables they reserve for us, so come inside and join us. Bob > From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Wed Mar 9 19:11:13 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:11:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] tr-3 or 4 exhaust manifold Message-ID: <782986.83887.qm@web65316.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> It's amazing what gets lost during a restoration. All my dis-assembled parts have to be within the room I took the car (tr-3) apart in and the exhaust manifold is no where to be found. I can't even remember taking it off but I know there was one on the engine.LOL Anyway I'd like the later tr-4 manifold with the two separate pipes if possible. Are there any used ones available. Another possibility is going with headers although cost is a strong consideration here. I'd go with an earlier header (i have the high port head) also if available. thanks! gary n. From yellowtr at adelphia.net Thu Mar 10 05:39:18 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:39:18 -0500 Subject: [TR] tr-3 or 4 exhaust manifold In-Reply-To: <782986.83887.qm@web65316.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <782986.83887.qm@web65316.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201103100739.19091.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Wednesday, March 09, 2011 09:11:13 pm Gary Nafziger wrote: > It's amazing what gets lost during a restoration. All my dis-assembled > parts have to be within the room I took the car (tr-3) apart in and the > exhaust manifold is no where to be found. I can't even remember taking it > off but I know there was one on the engine.LOL > > > Anyway I'd like the later tr-4 manifold with the two separate pipes if > possible. Are there any used ones available. Another possibility is going > with headers although cost is a strong consideration here. I'd go with an > earlier header (i have the high port head) also if available. > > > thanks! > > gary n. Gary, I believe there is a late 4A manifold on ebay right now. I tried this way back in the late 60s and although it worked with the correct 4A exhaust system, I ended up removing the whole system and replaced it with a stock manifold and exhaust system. Bob From darrellw at ipns.com Thu Mar 10 09:06:03 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:06:03 -0800 Subject: [TR] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused Message-ID: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> I have a pair of CA black license plates for sale. The number is "PRC 122". I bought these about 20 years ago, intending to register my 66 TR4A under California's Year of Manufacture program (the original black plates were stolen in the early 80's), but my car wasn't old enough at the time. I moved away from CA 15 years ago, and don't have any plans to return, so I've decided to sell these. As far as I know, these plates have never been issued to a vehicle, and are in new, unused condition. Before purchasing, you should verify that your vehicle is eligible to use these, and check with the DMV to make sure they are clear to use. I believe I did have that checked with them before they rejected my application based on the age of the vehicle, but I'm not going to guarantee that. I'm asking $300 for the pair. Photos available on request. -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS CTC67956L Vancouver, WA, USA From pethier at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 09:18:44 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:18:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> Message-ID: <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > I have a pair of CA black license plates for sale. [...] > I'm asking $300 for the pair. Photos available on request. Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. I've been involved in the trading of 1962 Texas black plates at about a tenth the price. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From darrellw at ipns.com Thu Mar 10 09:53:43 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:53:43 -0800 Subject: [TR] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:18 AM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >> I have a pair of CA black license plates for sale. > [...] >> I'm asking $300 for the pair. Photos available on request. > > Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. > > I've been involved in the trading of 1962 Texas black plates at about a tenth the price. Hi Phil, I think there are two factors at work. If you are buying a car with them, it probably means that it has lived its life in California, and probably will be much less rusty than some other areas of the country. I realize there are other states where cars don't rust away, but California would dominate in terms of numbers. The other factor is that many folks don't like the look of the modern reflector plates on a classic car. I was surprised to see what fairly poor examples of these plates were going for. I had these filed away, but at the prices they are going for, I'd be willing to part with them. -Darrell From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 10 10:06:40 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:06:40 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates -unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall> > Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at > bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. They became kind of a status symbol among old car people, back when they meant the car had actually remained registered in CA since the 60s. Then the law changed, so now you can have black plates on any old rustbucket (within certain model years), but they have to be original black plates, not reproductions. Big demand plus limited supply = silly money. But I do think they look more "at-home" than modern white plates. http://tinyurl.com/yapelm5 -- Randall From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 10 10:08:51 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:08:51 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> Message-ID: <29ca01cbdf45$d46cf900$0301a8c0@randall> > As far as I know, these plates have never > been issued to a > vehicle, and are in new, unused condition. How did that happen, Darrell? I have never heard of the DMV passing out plates, and reproductions are not allowed. -- Randall From darrellw at ipns.com Thu Mar 10 10:17:04 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:17:04 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <29ca01cbdf45$d46cf900$0301a8c0@randall> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <29ca01cbdf45$d46cf900$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Randall wrote: >> As far as I know, these plates have never >> been issued to a >> vehicle, and are in new, unused condition. > > How did that happen, Darrell? I have never heard of the DMV passing out > plates, and reproductions are not allowed. > Hi Randall, I don't know. I purchased them from someone dealing in used plates. -Darrell From dogzbody1 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 11:15:53 2011 From: dogzbody1 at yahoo.com (Steve Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 10:15:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused In-Reply-To: References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <29ca01cbdf45$d46cf900$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <14384.72280.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I think there is an emotional link for California in the 60s and agree that for a time CA registration was a good indication of a rust free body.? Blue plates were introduced in CA in '69 so only the earliest TR6s would have black plates.? Some TR3s would have the reverse?- black on gold plates which is cool too! ?I have?a very?faded ?'69 TR6 (jasmiine/black) out of CA's central valley?with its original black plates. The plates get as many comments as the car when I'm out and about - go figure! Make sure you fit black plates with tamper resistant hardware! Steve ----- Original Message ---- From: Darrell Walker To: Randall Cc: list Triumph ; autojumble at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 11:17:04 AM Subject: Re: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - unissued/unused On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Randall wrote: >> As far as I know, these plates have never >> been issued to a >> vehicle, and are in new, unused condition. > > How did that happen, Darrell?? I have never heard of the DMV passing out > plates, and reproductions are not allowed. > Hi Randall, I don't know.? I purchased them from someone dealing in used plates. -Darrell _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dogzbody1 at yahoo.com From dave at ranteer.com Thu Mar 10 11:59:58 2011 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:59:58 -0600 Subject: [TR] [SPAM] Re: [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates -unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <14384.72280.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com><29ca01cbdf45$d46cf900$0301a8c0@randall> <14384.72280.qm@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0D1D9661AAA04972B99F2F145E643927@ranteer.local> ?I actually have a set of california black plates which I?m getting ready to sell if anyone is interested From trguy at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 10 17:39:56 2011 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:39:56 -0500 Subject: [TR] Paint Code Needed Message-ID: <35A981D109E44DF6B072413904CE07E3@TRGUY> Anyone have the paint code for Dupont or other paint brand for Spa White? I am about to have the car repainted and would like to find the correct color. Thanks in advance! Jim Hnningsen Maitland, FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 From tfansher at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 18:02:36 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:02:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update Message-ID: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had started a couple of years ago. I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our lives. The home address is: 211 Commander Cove Stafford, VA 22554 Tom From spitlist at cox.net Thu Mar 10 18:14:59 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:14:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] Paint Code Needed In-Reply-To: <35A981D109E44DF6B072413904CE07E3@TRGUY> References: <35A981D109E44DF6B072413904CE07E3@TRGUY> Message-ID: <7C95C1D1F7AA4E94A5CD1AE17A08AA0E@Vista> Color Year PPG/Ditzler ICI Spa White 63-65 8335 3436 Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:40 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Paint Code Needed Anyone have the paint code for Dupont or other paint brand for Spa White? I am about to have the car repainted and would like to find the correct color. Thanks in advance! Jim Hnningsen Maitland, FL 62 TR4 CT5212LO 75 TR6 _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Mar 10 18:18:17 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:18:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <429BE1C5AEDB46ECAE4E0891F52B658E@BobPC> Fred will be missed.........one of my favorite all time Triumph times was when a few of us met up with Fred and Dan Masters in New Hampshire and we caravanned over to VTR in Portland Maine. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: THOMAS FANSHER Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:02 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had started a couple of years ago. I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our lives. The home address is: 211 Commander Cove Stafford, VA 22554 Tom _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From trguy at cfl.rr.com Thu Mar 10 18:41:40 2011 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:41:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] Paint Code Needed In-Reply-To: <7C95C1D1F7AA4E94A5CD1AE17A08AA0E@Vista> References: <35A981D109E44DF6B072413904CE07E3@TRGUY> <7C95C1D1F7AA4E94A5CD1AE17A08AA0E@Vista> Message-ID: <643CED1B36FF4B58A6C5F7AC5170B4B3@TRGUY> Joe: Thank you!!! Jim Henningsen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'James Henningsen'" ; "'list Triumph'" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:14 PM Subject: RE: [TR] Paint Code Needed > > Color Year PPG/Ditzler ICI > > Spa White 63-65 8335 3436 > > > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James Henningsen > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 5:40 PM > To: list Triumph > Subject: [TR] Paint Code Needed > > Anyone have the paint code for Dupont or other paint brand for Spa White? > I > am about to have the car repainted and would like to find the correct > color. > Thanks in advance! > Jim Hnningsen > Maitland, FL > 62 TR4 CT5212LO > 75 TR6 > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net > From carlsereda at aol.com Thu Mar 10 18:48:03 2011 From: carlsereda at aol.com (carlsereda) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:48:03 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR4A manifold In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <96B4D55A.748D.4D89.A3A4.658BCA4B7F16@aol.com> Gary, I believe fitting the stock TR4-A cast iron exhaust manifold to a TR3 frame requires using the 2-piece; 'Y collector' with the seperately available 'extension pipe' (Moss has them), VERSUS the standard 1-piece stock TR4A Y collector with already welded-on extension pipe. The separated version lets you get the piping through the more restrictive TR3/4 frame easier. The TR4-A exhaust manifold COMBINED with the late TR4 'gas-flowed' intake manifold, plus the stock TR4-A camshaft and carburettors, gives you that extra 4 horsepower that the Triumph factory boasted about around 1965. So, if you're keeping the original restrictive TR3 intake, and the original TR3 cam and carbs, the improved TR4-A exhaust manifold, or even headers, may not make noticeable improvement in power. Regards, Carl '63 TR4 since '74 Anyway I'd like the later tr-4 manifold with the two separate pipes if? possible. Are there any used ones available. Another possibility is going with? headers although cost is a strong consideration here. I'd go with an earlier? header (i have the high port head) also if available. From jmitch at snet.net Thu Mar 10 19:19:18 2011 From: jmitch at snet.net (John Mitchell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:19:18 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <4D7986A6.7050601@snet.net> I'm very sad to read about Fred. I remember when I was first getting into the hobby, I asked him a few basic questions about powder coating. A few days later, a 1" thick package of Notes, photographs, powder samples and all sorts of things related to powder coating arrived in my mailbox, without me ever asking. He was a great guy and was always looking to help. He'll be deeply missed. John Mitchell On 3/10/2011 8:02 PM, THOMAS FANSHER wrote: > Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. > He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had started a couple of years ago. > I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. > He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our lives. > The home address is: > > 211 Commander Cove > Stafford, VA 22554 > > > From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com Thu Mar 10 19:26:10 2011 From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:26:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <55FC108B-1EEE-44CD-B5E8-508570715777@blakedischer.com> I enjoyed Fred quite a lot. Always good conversation when we were together. May the king of powdercoating rest in peace. BJD > Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. From ktriumph at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 19:29:22 2011 From: ktriumph at comcast.net (ktriumph at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <2135807251.2042179.1299810562620.JavaMail.root@sz0089a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Very sad to hear this, I will never forget Fred and his boundless enthusiasm. Particularly hanging out with him at the TRF Summer Party in 2000. Great guy, he will be missed... Ken Nuelle ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS FANSHER" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:02:36 PM Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update Fred's wife, Debbie, ?just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a couple of days ago. ?I was just a steady decline that had started a couple of years ago. I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. ?I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our lives. The home address is: 211 Commander Cove Stafford, VA 22554 Tom _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation ?$11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ktriumph at comcast.net From tr6parts at charter.net Thu Mar 10 19:30:37 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:30:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: Very sad to hear about Fred. One of my highlights of TRF summer party was to be in the back shop having coffee and donuts with Fred and Tom in the morning and listening to Freds tales. He'll be missed. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "THOMAS FANSHER" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:02 PM Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update > Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. > He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a > couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had started a couple > of years ago. > I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. > He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but > his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. > I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our > lives. > The home address is: > > 211 Commander Cove > Stafford, VA 22554 > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6parts at charter.net > > From rbtr3a at cox.net Thu Mar 10 19:37:02 2011 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (ronnie babbitt) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:37:02 +0000 Subject: [TR] My Friend Fred Message-ID: Tonight has been very difficult, for I lost, we lost a very dear friend in Fred Thomas. For the last few years Fred had been dealing with several complications resulting in some surgery he had on his legs. From the time of his surgery Fred has been in a steady decline. Tom Fansher and I have had the opportunity to have spent some great times traveling with Fred. For me he was much more than just a friend. Fred was my mentor, he was like a father to me in many regards, we often spoke several times a week on the phone. Fred always had an answer or a solution to every discussion we had. We often shared a room together at car shows. Fred loved my daughters Brandi and Brittani, he often would send them gifts and triumph Shirts. I was a graduate student of the FT school of powder coating. I remember one of te first times ever talking to Fred I was having trouble getting my TR3 to run, I called Fred and over the phone he walked me thru the troubleshooting required to get the car to run. For neary two hours over the phone he talked me thru it. He always made time for others, whether it was for information, parts or powder coating. Fred loved this hobby. I will never forget the man who touch so many lives. I know he sure touched mine and my girls. May peace be with Debbie as she remembers the Fred we all knew and loved. With great sorrow Ronnie Babbitt From wbeech at flash.net Thu Mar 10 19:51:11 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:51:11 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <048387EA8C854AB78EF2C78F702C7402@bboffice> I remember Fred early on in the beginnings of my TR3 restoration, he gave me lots of good advice, resources and even found a genuine Tropical Fan in his stash that he sold me at a very reasonable price. He and I grew up in the same city, Alexandria, VA but went to cross-town high schools. I have a picture of Fred and John Phillips(Mamas & Papas) when they played on the city basketball team together. After they won the city title they went to DC and got whipped by team lead by Elgin Baylor(remember him?) Willard Scott was his class president at GW High. I never got to meet him in person, but between the emails we traded and the many posts to the list I feel like I knew him well. Wow, sure going to miss that guy!! Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of THOMAS FANSHER Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 6:03 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ failure a couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had started a couple of years ago. I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our lives. The home address is: 211 Commander Cove Stafford, VA 22554 Tom _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Thu Mar 10 19:53:04 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:53:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] F.T. Message-ID: Wow, at a lost for words. Fred's passing will leave a big void in the Triumph community. I am honord to have considered him my friend. Like John, I had a conversation with Fred some years ago and next thing I know there was the P.C. package on my door step. I only wish I had met him much before I did. I dont know about you but I will be out in the shop this weekend flowing some powder and tipping a pint in his memory. Here's to ya good buddy! Marty From suhringtr36 at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 19:55:28 2011 From: suhringtr36 at comcast.net (suhringtr36 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: <552879619.2294632.1299811865026.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <772570196.2294884.1299812128380.JavaMail.root@sz0151a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> With my newly restored '70 TR6 ready for a road trip and show, my wife and I drove to Alexandrea, VA for the 1998 British on the Green show. What a great drive down. After checking in at the hotel, we decided to go out for something to eat. Well, the 6 started acting up and running real rough, bucking all over the place. We limped back to the hotel and I looked around the engine the next AM. Decided to go ahead and drive to the show and again after a while it ran terrible but made it to the show. As you might suspect, out of nowhere a gentleman comes up and asks what the problem was. I explained this to Fred and he cocked his head and said it must be the condensor. He went out and found a spare one, swaped it out, and it fired up. He insisted that we go for a drive to make sure, so I left my wife to walk the grounds and Fred and I went out for a dirve. Came back and the friendship was sealed. The next year we came down and went out to diner with Fred and Debie, having a great time. He made it up to my place a few years back to visit a sister and his first time at Carlisel. Enjoyed hanging out at my garage and getting caught up on life. Fred will truly be missed, but he certainly has left his mark with many of us. Scott Suhring Mechanicsburg, PA '70 TR6 '59 TR3 From allegrorover at mac.com Thu Mar 10 20:09:28 2011 From: allegrorover at mac.com (Anthony Cascio) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:09:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: <595E2310-0B28-4A4E-97F6-604134A9D73C@mac.com> Fred will be missed by us all I believe. He was one of the first people on the TR list I was lucky enough to talk to and get advice from. Jeanne and I traveled to his home and met Debbie. Fred was always one to offer parts or crinkle coated dash panels, and buckets of nuts and bolts if you needed them. Although I must admit my TR3A is almost the twin to his he did give me the inspiration to try and get it to his level of his car. Yes he will be missed. Tony Cascio 58 TR3A TS27093L allegrorover at mac.com From dlylis at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 20:18:36 2011 From: dlylis at gmail.com (dlylis at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:18:36 +0000 Subject: [TR] My Friend Fred In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1202088800-1299813514-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-262706643-@bda2826.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I wish I knew him as well as you. I always liked him. He will rest in peace. A sad day. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: ronnie babbitt Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:37:02 To: triumphs2 TRlist Subject: [TR] My Friend Fred Tonight has been very difficult, for I lost, we lost a very dear friend in Fred Thomas. For the last few years Fred had been dealing with several complications resulting in some surgery he had on his legs. From the time of his surgery Fred has been in a steady decline. Tom Fansher and I have had the opportunity to have spent some great times traveling with Fred. For me he was much more than just a friend. Fred was my mentor, he was like a father to me in many regards, we often spoke several times a week on the phone. Fred always had an answer or a solution to every discussion we had. We often shared a room together at car shows. Fred loved my daughters Brandi and Brittani, he often would send them gifts and triumph Shirts. I was a graduate student of the FT school of powder coating. I remember one of te first times ever talking to Fred I was having trouble getting my TR3 to run, I called Fred and over the phone he walked me thru the troubleshooting required to get the car to run. For neary two hours over the phone he talked me thru it. He always made time for others, whether it was for information, parts or powder coating. Fred loved this hobby. I will never forget the man who touch so many lives. I know he sure touched mine and my girls. May peace be with Debbie as she remembers the Fred we all knew and loved. With great sorrow Ronnie Babbitt _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlylis at gmail.com From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com Thu Mar 10 20:25:24 2011 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:25:24 -0600 Subject: [TR] My Friend Fred In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ronnie et al- You said it well. I agree. Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law 1011 Lehman Avenue Suite 102 Bowling Green, KY. 42103 Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2011, at 8:37 PM, "ronnie babbitt" wrote: > > Tonight has been very difficult, for I lost, we lost a very dear friend in Fred Thomas. For the last few years Fred had been dealing with several complications resulting in some surgery he had on his legs. From the time of his surgery Fred has been in a steady decline. Tom Fansher and I have had the opportunity to have spent some great times traveling with Fred. > > For me he was much more than just a friend. Fred was my mentor, he was like a father to me in many regards, we often spoke several times a week on the phone. Fred always had an answer or a solution to every discussion we had. We often shared a room together at car shows. Fred loved my daughters Brandi and Brittani, he often would send them gifts and triumph Shirts. I was a graduate student of the FT school of powder coating. > > I remember one of te first times ever talking to Fred I was having trouble getting my TR3 to run, I called Fred and over the phone he walked me thru the troubleshooting required to get the car to run. For neary two hours over the phone he talked me thru it. He always made time for others, whether it was for information, parts or powder coating. Fred loved this hobby. > > > I will never forget the man who touch so many lives. I know he sure touched mine and my girls. May peace be with Debbie as she remembers the Fred we all knew and loved. > > With great sorrow > Ronnie Babbitt > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com > From Dave1massey at cs.com Thu Mar 10 20:35:08 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:35:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Rest in Peace, Fred Message-ID: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said except to say that it is all worth saying agian. We'll miss you, Fred. Dave From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 10 20:44:43 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:44:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] John Dunbar & Hardy Message-ID: <384709.17799.qm@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List! I don't know of how many of you have known or met John Dunbar But he's in the hospital, now. About last month is went outside at night to have a cigarette on his porch. He fell & shattered bones in one of his legs & broke BOTH arms. Therefore, He can't move himself out of bed to get around by wheel chair or even crutches. He's going to rehab now. He's NOT on the computor at all. This is how I found out about is fall, because all at once I wasn't receiving any E-mails from him so I phone & found out. I just spoke to his wife & asked her if it would be all right to let the list know about his fall & she gave me the 'go a head'. so this explains why I'm telling the list of John's fall so late. ? He doesn't feel like using the computor or the cell phone, so there is really no way to contact him. To Hardy, I Have E-mailed you & I know that some servers?think that my E-mails are spam (because of my address)?& will not even deliver it into the spam box, so you would have never known that I had sent one to you.?Please contact me or look in your spam box to see if my E-mails were delivered.? Thanks?you list for listing & I'm sorry to have bother the rest of you who do not know John.-Cosmo Kramer From pethier at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 20:44:54 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:44:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <1636229208.2314985.1299814928106.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <865613659.2315178.1299815094696.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> We need to name a car after him. Somewhere there is a Triumph with a lot of powder-coated parts crying out for the license plate: FT I'll contribute to the cost of the plate when the owner comes forward. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From rbtr3a at cox.net Thu Mar 10 20:45:12 2011 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (ronnie babbitt) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:45:12 +0000 Subject: [TR] Fred Message-ID: Last year when planning for the VTR National on Jekyll, I tried very hard to make the arrangements to get Fred there, not only Fred but his car as well. At one point i was excited for it looked as if at was going to come to fruition, however His Doc did not agree to the travel. To be honest i'm not sure if it was the Doc or if Fred just didn't want to be seen in his current state. Marty, just so you know, I had in place a plan to recognize him and honor him with an event award if he would have been able to attend. When he called to let me know he wasn't coming I knew that would have been his last event. I will as a VTR BOD member suggest an Honor award fitting for him. Ronnie From triumphs at consolidated.net Thu Mar 10 20:53:20 2011 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:53:20 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fred References: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> Message-ID: <2B7D8B8F732745A589B23D529347C6E5@0817C93C637E473> Fred was a true friend and will be missed dearly. He has spent several days at my house and I have spent a night at his. My TR3 would not be on the road without his encouragement and guidance. The highlight of several Summer Parties was sharing a room and good conversation with Fred. About ten years ago my then teenage son got into a bind while attending a summer seminar in DC. Fred (and Debra) took him in, feed him and got him on the Metro each day, saving the kids summer experience and providing much needed guidance to him, all on a single 'phone call and a long distance friendship. I will always be grateful to both of them for that. He will be missed. Ken Gano From pethier at comcast.net Thu Mar 10 20:55:00 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] John Dunbar & Hardy In-Reply-To: <384709.17799.qm@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <319882589.2315657.1299815700058.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Give us the hospital address so we can send cards. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cosmo Kramer" > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:44:43 PM > Subject: [TR] John Dunbar & Hardy > > Hi List! > I don't know of how many of you have known or met John Dunbar But he's > in the > hospital, now. > About last month is went outside at night to have a cigarette on his > porch. He > fell & shattered bones in one of his legs & broke BOTH arms. > Therefore, He can't > move himself out of bed to get around by wheel chair or even crutches. > He's > going to rehab now. He's NOT on the computor at all. This is how I > found out > about is fall, because all at once I wasn't receiving any E-mails from > him so I > phone & found out. I just spoke to his wife & asked her if it would be > all right > to let the list know about his fall & she gave me the 'go a head'. so > this > explains why I'm telling the list of John's fall so late. ? > He doesn't feel like using the computor or the cell phone, so there is > really no > way to contact him. > > To Hardy, > I Have E-mailed you & I know that some servers?think that my E-mails > are spam > (because of my address)?& will not even deliver it into the spam box, > so you > would have never known that I had sent one to you.?Please contact me > or look in > your spam box to see if my E-mails were delivered.? > > > Thanks?you list for listing & I'm sorry to have bother the rest of you > who do > not know John.-Cosmo Kramer > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From ambritts at bellsouth.net Thu Mar 10 20:59:03 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:59:03 -0500 Subject: [TR] FT Message-ID: <761016FA067A47CCABDECC97900EE5AC@AlexPC> Only met Fred through emails of help, suggestions and guidance. I knew him as someone who would always be there with a quick answer to "my" pressing need when working on either of my Triumphs. He always seemed to sense my urgency to get an answer and was always there with a brief snippet of advice that made me realize was was on the wrong track to a solution. Quite a gentlemen and always a friend whether he new you personal or through the list. He will be truly missed by this guy! What a loss!!!! Alex Manzo 72 TR6 (helped by Fred) 59 TR3A (helped by Fred) What's left to say! Rest well good buddy, you earned all this appreciation and more! From wbeech at flash.net Thu Mar 10 20:59:14 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:59:14 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <865613659.2315178.1299815094696.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <1636229208.2314985.1299814928106.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <865613659.2315178.1299815094696.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Seems there was someone on the list that was going to PC his entire body... car body that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pethier at comcast.net [mailto:pethier at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:45 PM To: wbeech at flash.net Cc: THOMAS FANSHER; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Update We need to name a car after him. Somewhere there is a Triumph with a lot of powder-coated parts crying out for the license plate: FT I'll contribute to the cost of the plate when the owner comes forward. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 10 21:22:05 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:22:05 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred is dead. Long live Fred. Message-ID: <4D79A36D.9060007@bradakis.com> So now what? We have to do something to commemorate the gentleman. It could be just here among us Team.Net folks. It could be we lobby for some special recognition at the next VTR convention. What can we do? Whatever it is it should somehow involve a powder coated Triumph part. mjb. From keithstewart at execulink.com Thu Mar 10 21:33:22 2011 From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:33:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9970C12C-4E06-480E-BA42-C2EF98ED1B6E@execulink.com> On 2011-03-10, at 9:51 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this afternoon. I am deeply saddened. My prayers go out to Debbie - may Fred rest in peace. Fred was a great friend and I always looked forward to spending time with him each summer at TRF's Summer Party. My wife and I always enjoyed his company and "jokes". We could always count on at least one of them being a repeat :-) but it didn't matter, it was jest fun being entertained. Conversations about Triumphs were always helpful but honestly, it was his friendship and caring that I loved so much. He was a wonderful man and a fantastic asset to all of us in this Triumph passion. It was through Fred that I met so many of the great members on this list because he always made sure to introduce my wife and I to the rest of you that he counted among his friends. Of course it was Fred's opinion I sought when I was considering buying our TR3 from John Swauger's uncle. Thanks Fred for being you. You will be - make that are - missed. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Mar 10 21:43:25 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:43:25 -0700 Subject: [TR] Big Boys don't cry Message-ID: <4D79A86D.5040405@bradakis.com> autox /local/mailman/teamnet/bin 1251 :: su1 ./remove_members -n --fromall frede.thomas2 at verizon.net User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: british-cars. User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: shop-talk. User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: spitfires. User `frede.thomas2 at verison.net' removed from list: triumphs. Godspeed, old friend. mjb. From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 11 01:10:54 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:10:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred is dead. Long live Fred. In-Reply-To: <4D79A36D.9060007@bradakis.com> References: <4D79A36D.9060007@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <33A95F7206D44CAE97BEEA05E0062E4D@Vista> That might be very appropriate. The last time I saw Fred was the last time that the VTR was in Breckenridge, CO. Since it is there again this year, what could possibly be better! Joe C. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 9:22 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Fred is dead. Long live Fred. So now what? We have to do something to commemorate the gentleman. It could be just here among us Team.Net folks. It could be we lobby for some special recognition at the next VTR convention. What can we do? Whatever it is it should somehow involve a powder coated Triumph part. mjb. _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From opposumking at verizon.net Fri Mar 11 03:48:02 2011 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 05:48:02 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Update References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> <4D7986A6.7050601@snet.net> Message-ID: <01DE122EC634481CA386ECD13DFFE62A@mde.state.md.us> >> He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, but >> his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be disputed. >> I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the list and our >> lives. Well shoot. Knew it was coming, not happy it's finally here. Fred and I would always run into one another up at Carlisle, and compare notes on who'd we'd pissed off and how over the past year. Many a Triumph owner can powder coat because of him. Electrostatically yours, From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Fri Mar 11 05:32:35 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 07:32:35 EST Subject: [TR] Fred`s wife Message-ID: <838a4.65c1e684.3aab7063@aol.com> Hi all; I didn`t know Fred, though I did see a few of this postings a few years back. However, from all the tributes it`s clear he was well liked and well respected. I wondered if it would be a good idea for these email tributes to somehow get to Debbie, or to the funeral home, or something, so we can reinforce what he meant to us, among people in other circles. I don`t know how to do that, I`m sorry to say, if anyone`s willing to take it on then I know all the listers would be very grateful. Tim, near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. TR3A TS22930LO From trguy at cfl.rr.com Fri Mar 11 06:18:26 2011 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:18:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: <0B594D96B81740C0BE10C977794B5711@TRGUY> What a loss. I knew Fred from travels to TRF and other VTR shows and he was a hoot. He always was willing to help others with Triumph questions, parts locating, and developing the hobby. Fred is one of the great Triumph club legends who got me hooked on the TR bug. He will be missed and I raise a tall pint in his honor. We can all honor his spirit by extending the same TR spirit to others in need. I take some solace knowing he is driving his TR the way he loved to do right now. Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL From adrianjones747 at earthlink.net Fri Mar 11 06:26:36 2011 From: adrianjones747 at earthlink.net (Adrian Jones) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:26:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: <001401cbdfef$f268bfc0$d73a3f40$@net> What sad news. Many years ago I posted a question on the correct placement of the carb linkages, etc, for a TR3. A couple of days later a letter unexpectedly arrived from Fred with a bunch of glossy photographs of his engine bay. A kind gentleman who will be missed. From L1J1S at aol.com Fri Mar 11 06:31:22 2011 From: L1J1S at aol.com (L1J1S at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:31:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR 'FT' Message-ID: <6ed78.126a5c3a.3aab7e2a@aol.com> may "FT" R.I.P. a true gentleman and a big inspiration to me in the triumph word. i will truly miss him and always remember him. larry schwartz From tfansher at comcast.net Fri Mar 11 07:29:34 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:29:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred`s wife In-Reply-To: <838a4.65c1e684.3aab7063@aol.com> Message-ID: <1885799611.2294580.1299853774989.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> It's already in the works.....\ Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com To: keithstewart at execulink.com, triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 7:32:35 AM Subject: [TR] Fred`s wife Hi all; I didn`t know Fred, though I did see a few of this postings a few years back. However, from all the tributes it`s clear he was well liked and well respected. I wondered if it would be a good idea for these email tributes to somehow get to Debbie, or to the funeral home, or something, so we can reinforce what he meant to us, among people in other circles. I don`t know how to do that, I`m sorry to say, if anyone`s willing to take it on then I know all the listers would be very grateful. Tim, near Ottawa, Ontario, Canada. TR3A TS22930LO From TR250Driver at aol.com Fri Mar 11 09:44:59 2011 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:44:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Rest in Peace, Fred Message-ID: <8816c.43e8b9c8.3aabab8b@aol.com> A true Triumph Legend, Fred, driving his 1959 Signal Red TR3A was honored with the Charles Macartney Daily Driver's Award in Valley Forge, PA at the VTR National Convention in 2007. He served as a VTR Concours Judge several times. He will certainly be missed but he will not be forgotten. Big Boys do cry at times. We all loved you Fred, Darrell In a message dated 3/10/2011 10:35:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Dave1massey at cs.com writes: I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said except to say that it is all worth saying agian From iron_horse819 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 09:57:08 2011 From: iron_horse819 at yahoo.com (Raymond Hatfield) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:57:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Rest in Peace, Fred In-Reply-To: <8816c.43e8b9c8.3aabab8b@aol.com> References: <8816c.43e8b9c8.3aabab8b@aol.com> Message-ID: <191507.16665.qm@web120615.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I never had the pleasure of meeting Fred in person, but I've emailed with him several times and always found him to helpful, personable and quite funny at times.? He was a great asset to the Triumph community and there will never be another like him.? The world is a little less bright with out people like him.? My thoughts and prayers go out to his wife and family. Raymond L. Hatfield '65 TR4A '73 Stag From tbe749 at aol.com Fri Mar 11 10:30:54 2011 From: tbe749 at aol.com (Tom) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:30:54 -0500 Subject: [TR] Rest in Peace, Fred In-Reply-To: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> References: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> Message-ID: Ditto on all of your comments re FT. I did not know him well but it was always a pleasure to talk with him. He had a good heart. We will miss him and his contributions to the hobby Tom Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Dave1massey at cs.com wrote: > I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said except to say that > it is all worth saying agian. > > We'll miss you, Fred. > > Dave > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749 at aol.com > From tswhitez123 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 10:36:19 2011 From: tswhitez123 at hotmail.com (tom white) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:36:19 +0000 Subject: [TR] FT. Message-ID: I am greatly saddened to know of Fred's passing. I have been sitting reminiscing about the first contact I had with Fred. Shortly after joining this list Fred offered to powder coat a master cylinder for me. When he returned the part he sent me a freshly powder coated gauge panel for my TR3A with it. He did all of this for free. Frankly a level of generosity I had never experienced before. As I sit here I don't mind admitting that a few tears have welled up in my eyes. The world is a lesser place without Fred. Best regards, Tom From peter at nosimport.com Fri Mar 11 10:53:31 2011 From: peter at nosimport.com (Peter Caldwell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:53:31 -0600 Subject: [TR] F T Message-ID: <201103110953461.SM01404@TOSHIBA-USER3.nosimport.com> Fred will be missed. I had some very pleasant conversations with him over the years. I'll raise a glass of fluif tonight. Peter C From yellowtr at adelphia.net Fri Mar 11 11:58:55 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:58:55 -0500 Subject: [TR] Rest in Peace, Fred In-Reply-To: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> References: <3c415.6baa0899.3aaaf26c@cs.com> Message-ID: <201103111358.56371.yellowtr@adelphia.net> Hello, I never met Fred face to face but I did get a kick out of some of his replies to various posts over the years. A few years back Fred powder coated the dash support for my 63 TR4 and there was no charge. What a kind gentleman! This list and the Triumph world will not be the same for sure. And as I read the numerous replies, he reached out to many others with support and custom powder coating. He really loved powder coating for sure. I will raise a glass tonight in memory of Fred Thomas! Bob From tr3 at roadrunner.com Fri Mar 11 12:38:50 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:38:50 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates -unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <3AE7A5CB-0BF9-43D1-9C09-5F4441FD388E@roadrunner.com> On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Randall wrote: >> Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at >> bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. > > They became kind of a status symbol among old car people, back when > they > meant the car had actually remained registered in CA since the 60s. > Then > the law changed, so now you can have black plates on any old > rustbucket > (within certain model years), but they have to be original black > plates, not > reproductions. Big demand plus limited supply = silly money. > > But I do think they look more "at-home" than modern white plates. > http://tinyurl.com/yapelm5 > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3 at roadrunner.com > From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 11 13:16:55 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:16:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: <460694.56706.qm@web28310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> There are occasional times in our lives when we meet someone and leave their company the?better for having met and known them. I met Fred twice on his visits to the UK and quite apart from his enthusiasm about so many things, I also discovered ar a very early stage that he was a true gentleman. I have a number of very specials emails from him and one letter in particular that I will always treasure. Jonmac From douglasehamilton at shaw.ca Fri Mar 11 14:37:54 2011 From: douglasehamilton at shaw.ca (Doug Hamilton) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:37:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: I'm sorry to hear of Fred's passing I never meet him in person but through many messages over the years both on this forum and directly I felt I had made a friend. I was surprised when I first received a Christmas card from him many years ago and will miss that annual connection with him. I found Fred to a man very wise in the ways of Triumphs and eager to hear other people's acquired wisdom as well. God speed to you Fred you will be missed. Doug Calgary Alberta From rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com Fri Mar 11 16:44:23 2011 From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:44:23 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fred Message-ID: I had the honor to meet Fred several years ago when he brought his TR3A to the Champaign-Urbana show. Even though there was only one face to face meeting, I always counted Fred as one of my TR friends. Many times he suggested that I should try being a standup comic after some wise crack I sent to the list. His knowledge, friendship and sense of humor will be missed. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! From keithstewart at execulink.com Fri Mar 11 17:03:31 2011 From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:03:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0373797C-E813-4333-911F-33369AE1D399@execulink.com> On 2011-03-11, at 2:00 PM, Bob wrote: > And as I read the numerous replies, he reached out to many others with support > and custom powder coating. > > He really loved powder coating for sure. > > I will raise a glass tonight in memory of Fred Thomas! And that reminds me of the workshop Fred conducted in July of 2007 at TRF's Summer Party on - you guessed it - Powder Coating. Fred opened with "There are only three things that can go wrong with powder coating. They are ..." (answer below, to give you a chance to think about it.) I wrote up my notes from that session and gave them to Fred, asking for feedback, to make sure I got it right. His response was first to indicate that I probably wrote it better than he said it. But he also sent me some pictures of his powder coating experience and so I was able to incorporate those photos into my notes. If anyone wants a five page article on powder coating with six photos, as told by Fred Thomas, send me a private email and I will send it along. And the answer to the three things; you, you and you; all three of which are explained in his workshop. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 20:31:11 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:31:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] John Dunbar's address Message-ID: <771890.10748.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List! I wrote about John Dunbar being in the hospital some digests ago. Phil replied to me asking if I could print out the address of the hospital that he is in. I replied that I would. I tried phoning his wife earlier & there wasn't any answer. I just?got off the phone with John's wife & she can't recall the exact address, but said that if ANYONE wishes to send a card or a little note of encouragement, then to send it to her & she will give it to John. She also stated that john did seem to e in better spirits today than other days. So I do think that now would be a good time to write to him. REMEMBER, he is NOT on the inter net now, so hand written note or a card is the only means of communicating with him. Here is where you should?snail-mail things to: John Dunbar 9290 E. 82nd St. Indianapolis,, IN 46256 USA? -Cosmo Kramer From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 11 20:31:26 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:31:26 -0700 Subject: [TR] Forwarded note Message-ID: <4D7AE90E.2040303@bradakis.com> Not sure why this wasn't sent through. I like cats. mjb. Subject: Re: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Update From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:42:17 -0600 (CST) To: triumphs at autox.team.net That would be me. Fred was very encouraging and supportive of the project. It was that encouragement - after much discussion of pro's & con's that I decided to go ahead with it. He was always available if I had a question - and always had an answer - sometimes they were 'off-the-wall' but even then it sparked additional ideas. Las fall we agreed that I would be driving through Virginia on the way to TRA or TRF this coming summer and we were going to take a drive. Sadly, it will be an empty seat now. As others have said - I had a great admiration for him. Many have used the word 'gentleman' - a word that described him to a T. I haven't updated the photos in awhile.. should do that in the next few days. Slideshow: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/TS81802LO/?action=view¤t=9c02eca2.pbw Wednesday afternoon a stray cat came into the yard... Sat and watched me put the grill on the car. Before I knew it he was laying on the front cowl. This morning he was still here - I didn't see these notes until today at noon. Although I don't know if Fred liked cats - I think 'FT' has found a new home. God Speed Fred! Carl 1961 TR3A TS81802LO Tampa, FL Mar 11, 2011 04:02:11 AM, wbeech at flash.net wrote: Seems there was someone on the list that was going to PC his entire body... car body that is. From mark at bradakis.com Fri Mar 11 20:35:27 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:35:27 -0700 Subject: [TR] Photos of Fred Message-ID: <4D7AE9FF.3050505@bradakis.com> This email list will not allow photos to be sent. If you may have some that you want to share, the Triumph forum at http://www.team.net/forums would be a good place. mjb. From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 11 20:40:39 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:40:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] FT & past E-mailings Message-ID: <815893.45281.qm@web39408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi List! I have been reading all that has been said about Fred in my digests, & feel that the Idea of make an award in his name is a better idea than what I had suggested about 3 digest ago & I still haven't?seen my?E-mail yet, so I know that it should be showing?up soon & this one will follow about 4+ digest later.? ? So if thinking are in the works now, then I will find out about 2 days later. BTW- This is one disadvantage of being on the digest. -Cosmo Kramer From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Fri Mar 11 22:09:21 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 00:09:21 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: Re: Re: Fred Thomas Update In-Reply-To: <801210083.146298.1299906404372.JavaMail.root@vznit170134> References: <801210083.146298.1299906404372.JavaMail.root@vznit170134> Message-ID: That would be me. Fred was very encouraging and supportive of the project. It was that encouragement - after much discussion of pro's & con's that I decided to go ahead with it. He was always available if I had a question - and always had an answer - sometimes they were 'off-the-wall' but even then it sparked additional ideas. Las fall we agreed that I would be driving through Virginia on the way to TRA or TRF this coming summer and we were going to take a drive. Sadly, it will be an empty seat now. As others have said - I had a great admiration for him. Many have used the word 'gentleman' - a word that described him to a T. I haven't updated the photos in awhile.. should do that in the next few days. Slideshow: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/TS81802LO/?action=view?t=9c02eca2.pbw Wednesday afternoon a stray cat came into the yard... Sat and watched me put the grill on the car. Before I knew it he was laying on the front cowl. This morning he was still here - I didn't see these notes until today at noon. Although I don't know if Fred liked cats - I think 'FT' has found a new home. God Speed Fred! Carl 1961 TR3A TS81802LO Tampa, FL Mar 11, 2011 04:02:11 AM, wbeech at flash.net wrote: Seems there was someone on the list that was going to PC his entire body... car body that is. Bill -----Original Message----- From: pethier at comcast.net [mailto:pethier at comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:45 PM To: wbeech at flash.net Cc: THOMAS FANSHER; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Update We need to name a car after him. Somewhere there is a Triumph with a lot of powder-coated parts crying out for the license plate: FT I'll contribute to the cost of the plate when the owner comes forward. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From tbe749 at aol.com Sat Mar 12 06:23:35 2011 From: tbe749 at aol.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 08:23:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] John Dunbar's address In-Reply-To: <771890.10748.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <771890.10748.qm@web39409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Cosmo is referring to John Dabars. He is recuperating at Regency Place of Castleton 5226 E 82nd Street Indianapolis, in 46250 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 11, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Cosmo Kramer wrote: > Hi List! > I wrote about John Dunbar being in the hospital some digests ago. Phil replied > to me asking if I could print out the address of the hospital that he is in. I > replied that I would. > > I tried phoning his wife earlier & there wasn't any answer. I just got off the > phone with John's wife & she can't recall the exact address, but said that if > ANYONE wishes to send a card or a little note of encouragement, then to send it > to her & she will give it to John. She also stated that john did seem to e in > better spirits today than other days. So I do think that now would be a good > time to write to him. REMEMBER, he is NOT on the inter net now, so hand written > note or a card is the only means of communicating with him. Here is where you > should snail-mail things to: > > John Dunbar > 9290 E. 82nd St. > Indianapolis,, IN 46256 USA > -Cosmo Kramer > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749 at aol.com > From tr3 at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 12 08:59:55 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:59:55 -0800 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 Message-ID: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> I've tried everything: polished the jet tubes to a gloss, replaced the cork jet seal washers with the neoprene ones, changed the linkage arrangement from clevises straddling (TR2) the levers to not straddling them (TR3 &4, new choke cable. But nothing allowed me to pull the jets (not the choke knob) to about 1/16" without just about breaking my fingers. With the jet return springs disconnected and pulling it out all the way was a piece of cake. I heard that there is such a thing as age-hardening or stiffening (something I could relate to at my age), especially with certain types of hardened spring steel. So I tested the (probably original and nearly 1/2 century old) springs with a spring scale and found that it took 5 - 6 lbs. each to pull them out 1/4'' beyond the in-place pretension point. It only took less than 1.5 lbs to return the jets all the way back up, so I replaced the old springs with 1 3/8" x 7/16" x .041 springs from the local hardware store that I shortened slightly to get sufficient pre-tension, which took about 2.5 lbs for the same extension. Result: I can pull the choke AND JETS all the way out without breaking my fingers or the knob! And what a difference, not only when I started it up when the temp was in the 40 ths (sorry, it is the best I can do here in So. Cal.), but also how nicely it ran before warm up. The jets always returned completely to the seats with the choke pushed back in. No gas leaks. Does anybody know or have specs. as to what those spring tensions should be? Does anybody have any idea why the factory went from that straddled to the non-straddled lever-clevis choke linkage with the TR3? It seems illogical. Hans 1962 TR#A From tr3 at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 12 12:27:51 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:27:51 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates -unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <013c01cbe026$06338590$129a90b0$@rr.com> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall> <81AFAE3F-F4A4-4753-AF32-46E8609ABD73@roadrunner.com> <013c01cbe026$06338590$129a90b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <27936EE4-9A41-485B-BB79-E2EEC9FB264D@roadrunner.com> Thanks for the info., Randall. You are lucky, to have 2 plates and the proof. My problem is, I have the proof but only 1 plate (I might consider buying a set, but I certainly ain't gonna spend $300 on it --- just not enough bang for the buck). I keep hoping to see you again, but keep missing you at the Maggie's Pub meetings. Are you going to the TRSC Palm Springs BBQ, Saturday? Hans '62 TR3A On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Randall wrote: > No problem, Hans, I have the proof. Which as you say, I had to > submit to > the DMV in order to get the registration. > > There are actually two different ways to use old plates now. The > rule you > are talking about (which is the one I used) allows basically any old > plate > as long as you can prove it was registered to the particular car. > However, > the most common way of using old plates is called the YOM program > (year of > manufacture) and it will allow any plate to be reassigned to your car, > provided the plate was current in the year the car was made. > > So, for example, if I had a 63 TR4, I could buy Darrell's plates and > not > have to prove that they were ever assigned to my car. But I could > not do > that with any black plate for my 56 TR3, because the black plates > didn't > come out until 1963. The "YOM" plate for my TR3 would be black on > yellow > instead of yellow on black. > > -- Randall > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Hans de Ferrante [mailto:tr3 at roadrunner.com] >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:37 AM >> To: Randall >> Subject: Re: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - >> unissued/unused >> >> Beware, I was told that you now have to have proof that they were >> originally registered with the same car. >> Hans >> >> On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Randall wrote: >> >>>> Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at >>>> bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. >>> >>> They became kind of a status symbol among old car people, back when >>> they >>> meant the car had actually remained registered in CA since the 60s. >>> Then >>> the law changed, so now you can have black plates on any old >>> rustbucket >>> (within certain model years), but they have to be original black >>> plates, not >>> reproductions. Big demand plus limited supply = silly money. >>> >>> But I do think they look more "at-home" than modern white plates. >>> http://tinyurl.com/yapelm5 >>> >>> -- Randall >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Triumphs at autox.team.net >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Manage your account: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3 at roadrunner.com >>> > From bill_beecher at flash.net Sat Mar 12 12:31:49 2011 From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill_beecher at flash.net) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:31:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] Lucas Starter Slip Message-ID: Dusting off the TR3 and dreaming about the day when the snow melts, I tried to give the starter a go. Well, The starter engaged but motor did not turn over(or just barely). I know the starter motor was turning as I could hear it, working under a load, and feel it. This is not a case where the one plugs fires and kicks the pinion out and the starter spins free. What should I look for when I pull the head off the starter? Is there a set screw or a keyway that secures the pinion to the shaft? I see most of the parts in the Moss catalog are N/A, is there a source for replacement parts? Is it possible that the ring gear is slipping around the flywheel (oh, please no)? As always, TIA, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 12 12:52:43 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:52:43 -0800 Subject: [TR] Lucas Starter Slip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007b01cbe0ef$0de81430$0301a8c0@randall> > I know the starter motor was turning > as I could hear > it, working under a load, and feel it. That will be an original TR2-early TR3A starter, then, and the problem is that the steel/rubber sleeve, Stanpart 501217, has failed. TRF LUTLB160 or Moss 549-580. Or this might be a good time to consider one of the "high tech" starters. Yet another option might be to see if Ken Gillanders at BFE would share the design information for the "fail safe" sleeves he had made up many years ago. Instead of relying on the rubber/steel bond like the originals did, Ken's version had internal 'paddles' with the rubber in compression between the paddles. But I got the last one and Ken said he had no plans to have any more made, as they just weren't popular enough. -- Randall From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 12 13:19:31 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:19:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Message-ID: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch decal 1st was Mike Belfer 2nd was Jack Drews We will likely continue to do this. The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, TOW VEHICLES. Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued the friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your often used favorite things. I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be remembered. Regards, Joe Alexander From triumphs at consolidated.net Sat Mar 12 14:14:41 2011 From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano, home PC) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:14:41 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Count me in for a couple. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas > > just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch > decal > > 1st was Mike Belfer > 2nd was Jack Drews > > We will likely continue to do this. > > The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, TOW > VEHICLES. > > Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued the > friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. > > Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your > often used favorite things. > > I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be > remembered. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3502 - Release Date: 03/12/11 > From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com Sat Mar 12 14:27:05 2011 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 15:27:05 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <894814762C6AC84896B8CC3C72CDD2BBF3FE49@SOTSERVER.stevethorntonlaw.local> Ditto Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law 1011 Lehman Avenue Suite 102 Bowling Green, KY 42103 270-781-6630 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano, home PC Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:15 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Count me in for a couple. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas > > just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch > decal > > 1st was Mike Belfer > 2nd was Jack Drews > > We will likely continue to do this. > > The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, TOW > VEHICLES. > > Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued the > friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. > > Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your > often used favorite things. > > I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be > remembered. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3502 - Release Date: 03/12/11 > _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton at stevethorntonl aw.com From wbeech at flash.net Sat Mar 12 14:32:26 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:32:26 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <5F168631AC4D4307A6DE00B7918C90A2@bboffice> I'm in too! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano, home PC Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:15 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Count me in for a couple. Ken Gano ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas > > just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch > decal > > 1st was Mike Belfer > 2nd was Jack Drews > > We will likely continue to do this. > > The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, TOW > VEHICLES. > > Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued the > friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. > > Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your > often used favorite things. > > I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be > remembered. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphs at consolidated.net > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3502 - Release Date: 03/12/11 > _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From ols at bcdef.net Sat Mar 12 14:36:10 2011 From: ols at bcdef.net (Alexander Delis) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:36:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates -unissued/unused In-Reply-To: <27936EE4-9A41-485B-BB79-E2EEC9FB264D@roadrunner.com> References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com> <298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall> <81AFAE3F-F4A4-4753-AF32-46E8609ABD73@roadrunner.com> <013c01cbe026$06338590$129a90b0$@rr.com> <27936EE4-9A41-485B-BB79-E2EEC9FB264D@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: A related question to anyone who may know the answer. I just purchased an old Land Rover 88 that had been in California its whole life. The license plate (which expired the end of 2007) is, I believe, one that would be of great interest to some people. It is a blue and yellow plate OUTBAK. As I do not live in California, is this something that could be transferred to someone else? If anyone knows the answer, I'd appreciate it Thanks Alex On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:27 pm, Hans de Ferrante wrote: > Thanks for the info., Randall. You are lucky, to have 2 plates and the proof. My problem is, I have the proof but only 1 plate (I might consider buying a set, but I certainly ain't gonna spend $300 on it --- just not enough bang for the buck). > I keep hoping to see you again, but keep missing you at the Maggie's Pub meetings. Are you going to the TRSC Palm Springs BBQ, Saturday? > Hans > '62 TR3A > > On Mar 11, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Randall wrote: > >> No problem, Hans, I have the proof. Which as you say, I had to submit to >> the DMV in order to get the registration. >> >> There are actually two different ways to use old plates now. The rule you >> are talking about (which is the one I used) allows basically any old plate >> as long as you can prove it was registered to the particular car. However, >> the most common way of using old plates is called the YOM program (year of >> manufacture) and it will allow any plate to be reassigned to your car, >> provided the plate was current in the year the car was made. >> >> So, for example, if I had a 63 TR4, I could buy Darrell's plates and not >> have to prove that they were ever assigned to my car. But I could not do >> that with any black plate for my 56 TR3, because the black plates didn't >> come out until 1963. The "YOM" plate for my TR3 would be black on yellow >> instead of yellow on black. >> >> -- Randall >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Hans de Ferrante [mailto:tr3 at roadrunner.com] >>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 11:37 AM >>> To: Randall >>> Subject: Re: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates - >>> unissued/unused >>> >>> Beware, I was told that you now have to have proof that they were >>> originally registered with the same car. >>> Hans >>> >>> On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Randall wrote: >>> >>>>> Wow. What is it with California black plates? The guys at >>>>> bringatrailer.com are always going on and on about them. >>>> >>>> They became kind of a status symbol among old car people, back when >>>> they >>>> meant the car had actually remained registered in CA since the 60s. >>>> Then >>>> the law changed, so now you can have black plates on any old >>>> rustbucket >>>> (within certain model years), but they have to be original black >>>> plates, not >>>> reproductions. Big demand plus limited supply = silly money. >>>> >>>> But I do think they look more "at-home" than modern white plates. >>>> http://tinyurl.com/yapelm5 >>>> >>>> -- Randall >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Triumphs at autox.team.net >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Manage your account: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3 at roadrunner.com >>>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ols at bcdef.net > 1958 TR3 TS33884LO 1968 GT6 KC10303 1976 TR6 CF51981U 1970 Land Rover 88 IIa 24439884G From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 12 15:01:22 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:01:22 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Autojumble] For sale - CA black license plates-unissued/unused In-Reply-To: References: <766B673A-FEF3-4E75-A7BF-3AF46DBEE02B@ipns.com><298559365.2270763.1299773924194.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net><29c901cbdf45$869d14d0$0301a8c0@randall><81AFAE3F-F4A4-4753-AF32-46E8609ABD73@roadrunner.com><013c01cbe026$06338590$129a90b0$@rr.com><27936EE4-9A41-485B-BB79-E2EEC9FB264D@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <00a501cbe101$06c064c0$0301a8c0@randall> > I just purchased an old Land Rover 88 that had been in > California its whole life. The license plate (which expired > the end of 2007) is, I believe, one that would be of great > interest to some people. It is a blue and yellow plate > OUTBAK. As I do not live in California, is this something > that could be transferred to someone else? I don't believe so. The former owner could have kept the plate and transferred it to another of his cars; but since he did not do that, it's interesting only as a collector's item. Blue plates are not eligible for the YOM program. However, if you have a pair of them and surrender them to the CA DMV, then the legend becomes available to put on a new plate. I'm not sure exactly how that works, but it might be worth investigating. -- Randall From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Sat Mar 12 15:18:05 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:18:05 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <655729.75593.qm@web28315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I've? tried everything: SNIP ???Does anybody have any idea why the factory went from that straddled to the non-straddled lever-clevis choke linkage with the TR3? It seems illogical. It's important not to overlook the fact that SU Carburetter was an independent OE supplier, like Lucas and Wilmot Breedon. If a car manufacturer specified two particular carb types, then SU would design the linkages as well. Additionally, part of the supplier contract would usually say the supplier (SU) reserved the right to amend or modify its design or specification at any time during the contract and with prior notice with the client. Jonmac From pethier at comcast.net Sat Mar 12 15:19:19 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 22:19:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2110554428.2396536.1299968359995.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Two decals for me. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: n197tr4 at cs.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:19:31 PM > Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas > > just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 > inch decal > > 1st was Mike Belfer > 2nd was Jack Drews > > We will likely continue to do this. > > The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, > TOW VEHICLES. > > Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued > the friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. > > Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your > often used favorite things. > > I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should > be remembered. > > Regards, > > Joe Alexander > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Mar 12 15:22:38 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:22:38 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas In-Reply-To: <5F168631AC4D4307A6DE00B7918C90A2@bboffice> References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> <5F168631AC4D4307A6DE00B7918C90A2@bboffice> Message-ID: Me Too! Alex Manzo ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'Ken Gano, home PC'" ; ; Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas > I'm in too! > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Ken Gano, home PC > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:15 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net; n197tr4 at cs.com > Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas > > Count me in for a couple. > > Ken Gano > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 2:19 PM > Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas > > >> >> just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch >> decal >> >> 1st was Mike Belfer >> 2nd was Jack Drews >> >> We will likely continue to do this. >> >> The decal can go on a number of things as you wish. CARS, TOOL BOXES, >> TOW > >> VEHICLES. >> >> Belfer's decal has been on my car for over 15 years and I continued the >> friendship with his son as I have with Tony Drews. >> >> Easy to remember those friendships when it is nicely presented on your >> often used favorite things. >> >> I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be >> remembered. >> >> Regards, >> >> Joe Alexander >> >> >> >> >> From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Mar 12 16:09:16 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:09:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Lucas Starter Slip Message-ID: <4770.54ea2f2d.3aad571b@cs.com> In a message dated 3/12/2011 1:39:47 PM Central Standard Time, bill_beecher at flash.net writes: > What should I look for when I pull the head off the starter? Is there a > set > screw or a keyway that secures the pinion to the shaft? I see most of the > parts in the Moss catalog are N/A, is there a source for replacement > parts? > > Is it possible that the ring gear is slipping around the flywheel (oh, > please no)? > More likely it is the rubber coupler in the starter motor itself. Unless you are going for concours points you might consider a gear reduction drive. Most folks who have switched over will never go back. Dave From dctr6 at optonline.net Sat Mar 12 17:24:57 2011 From: dctr6 at optonline.net (Dennis Culligan) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 19:24:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] {TR} Fred Thomas Message-ID: <000901cbe115$15bcd210$41367630$@net> Joe Alexander wrote: >From: n197tr4 at cs.com >Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas >Just a suggestion.......we have honored our fellow racers with a 3 inch decal >snip. >I'd be in for a decal if anyone proceeds with this idea.....FT should be remembered. As a friend of Fred's, I agree. Count me in. Dennis Culligan, Highland NY / 1976 TR6 CF57948U From tr6parts at charter.net Sun Mar 13 05:59:35 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:59:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fw: [6pack] beige tr6 seat cover Message-ID: <071CCEEE775D4D0BA5F6E172E4AB63A7@Alan> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Salvatore" To: <6pack at autox.team.net> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:18 PM Subject: [6pack] beige tr6 seat cover >I am trying to locate a beige drivers side seat back > for a late tr6 74-76. > Hopefully someone has recovered their seats and has a > good drivers side seat back, left over from their restoration. > The vinyl is pealing off on mine. > If you do , let me know how much you want for it. > > Thanks, > Al > _______________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tr6parts at charter.net > > From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Mar 13 09:01:49 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:01:49 -0400 Subject: [TR] An Invitation: THE 9TH RUNNING OF THE KASTNER CUP LAGUNA SECA 7TH AND 8TH OF JUNE In-Reply-To: <17C6855D-F136-4E2F-8EBA-D929B5B80FBF@earthlink.net> References: <8CDAD4ED2804C59-1608-1BFC0@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com> <8CDAD51C637D193-1608-1C78B@webmail-m138.sysops.aol.com> <17C6855D-F136-4E2F-8EBA-D929B5B80FBF@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8CDAFAF185865D8-22CC-31124@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com> TRIUMPH ENTHUSIASTS: The Kastner Cup Committee has formally invited the western car clubs to join us in the paddock while we hold the 9th Kastner Cup at fabled LAGUNA SECA with HMSA as the sanctioning body. A week day meeting that is a non-spectator event, this is a special invitation to TRIUMPH enthusiasts. The Kastner Cup will be run on Wednesday with the Cup Presentation following. Kas Kastner will be available for distribution and signing of his latest book. This a book that is 250 of full size 8.5 x 11 pages with conventional binding and higher resolution pictures.......... and a bonus picture DVD. Special Rates at the EMBASSY SUITES are available for the asking under the KEYWORDS "FRIENDS OF TRIUMPH". Gate is nominal at $15 or so. Camping is available nearby. A commemorative poster is planned, featuring one of Kastner's Sebring TR4s, presently owned and raced by John Nikas of Huntington Beach....it will be there. The poster may also be signed by Kas Kastner. It will be of high quality stock, and very collectible as one more in a series of Kastner Cup posters. Oh yes! There will be some interesting, seldom seen, and very historical Triumphs on display and on the track. Be there with us.......we are making a family vacation out of this. Joe Alexander From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 13 09:36:01 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:36:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] Part needed Message-ID: Does anyone have the little clamp device that clamps the actuating rod for the scuttle vent opening and closing. I'm in need of one and it doesn't look like the Big 3 sell them. Gladly pay a reasonable price and shipping. Thanks, Jerry Van Vlack From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 13 09:59:04 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:59:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] Part needed References: Message-ID: <1F28D7857608462FBEBBB42564280AEC@userb38463fba5> Forgot to mention TR4 4A 250 and maybe early TR6. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Van Vlack" To: Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:36 PM Subject: [TR] Part needed > Does anyone have the little clamp device that clamps the actuating rod for > the scuttle vent opening and closing. I'm in need of one and it doesn't > look like the Big 3 sell them. > > Gladly pay a reasonable price and shipping. > > Thanks, > > Jerry Van Vlack From tr3 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 13 13:14:07 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (HANS DEFERRANTE) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:14:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <655729.75593.qm@web28315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> <655729.75593.qm@web28315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <36334B47-C02C-4245-861D-D499377F2C39@roadrunner.com> > It's important not to overlook the fact that SU Carburetter was an > independent > OE supplier, like Lucas , etc. OK, but what would the reason for the switch be. I tried it both ways , straddled is more logical and seemingly functional - I can't detect any difference in operation Just curious, Hans On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:18 PM, John Macartney wrote: > I've tried everything: > > SNIP > > Does anybody have any idea why the factory went from that > straddled to the > non-straddled lever-clevis choke linkage with the TR3? It seems > illogical. > > It's important not to overlook the fact that SU Carburetter was an > independent > OE supplier, like Lucas and Wilmot Breedon. If a car manufacturer > specified two > particular carb types, then SU would design the linkages as well. > Additionally, > part of the supplier contract would usually say the supplier (SU) > reserved the > right to amend or modify its design or specification at any time > during the > contract and with prior notice with the client. > > Jonmac > > > From tfansher at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 14:03:18 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:03:18 -0400 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com><655729.75593.qm@web28315.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <36334B47-C02C-4245-861D-D499377F2C39@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <45E7DFB7C984463A9C9D6CC0BFBF2D5D@DCS78M81> According to Fred Thomas, the choke cable has a more straight run when it's on the inside of the yoke, not straddled. He was adamant about this and I have seen chokes not work properly with the straddled position used. I think we'll probably hear a lot of "according to Fred" in the future. Brought a smile and a sigh..... Tom From: "HANS DEFERRANTE" To: "Triumph List" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 >> It's important not to overlook the fact that SU Carburetter was an >> independent >> OE supplier, like Lucas , etc. > > OK, but what would the reason for the switch be. I tried it both ways , > straddled is more logical and seemingly functional - I can't detect any > difference in operation > Just curious, > > Hans > > > On Mar 12, 2011, at 2:18 PM, John Macartney wrote: > >> I've tried everything: >> >> SNIP >> >> Does anybody have any idea why the factory went from that straddled >> to the >> non-straddled lever-clevis choke linkage with the TR3? It seems >> illogical. >> >> It's important not to overlook the fact that SU Carburetter was an >> independent >> OE supplier, like Lucas and Wilmot Breedon. If a car manufacturer >> specified two >> particular carb types, then SU would design the linkages as well. >> Additionally, >> part of the supplier contract would usually say the supplier (SU) >> reserved the >> right to amend or modify its design or specification at any time during >> the >> contract and with prior notice with the client. >> >> Jonmac > > From tfansher at comcast.net Sun Mar 13 14:16:28 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:16:28 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas update Sunday Message-ID: <749950900E1A4C4E9E6F4AA9B943D1E9@DCS78M81> I have just forwarded 48 messages from the List to Debbie. This was an awesome out pouring of our respect and appreciation for Fred. Janet talked to Debbie this morning and there is going to be a celebration of Fred's life Monday night at 7 PM eastern time. I think it would be nice if we have a moment of silence for Fred then and/or if possible give a toast in his honor. Janet asked what we could do, flowers or whatever and Debbie's response was to go out one night with club members who knew Fred and have a good time and raise a glass to Fred's memory. Fred had throat cancer a number of years ago and suffered from dry mouth from the radiation. He would sip a Sprite or 7-UP most of the time. So raise your favorite beverage or a Sprite/7-UP Monday in memory of one terrific (I guess that's TR-iffic) guy and friend to us all. Tom From bobfabie at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 10:41:23 2011 From: bobfabie at gmail.com (robert fabie) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:41:23 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fwd: Fred Thomas, RIP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: robert fabie Date: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 at 8:46 AM Subject: Fred Thomas, RIP To: 6pack at autox.team.net Cc: Jerry C Shaw , davgil at aol.com All, Fred Thomas of Fredericksburg, Va owned several collectible cars, including a red concourse TR3. He was a frequent contributor to this and other Triumph lists and was renowned helping others with their restoration projects and for powder coating small parts for fellow enthusiast - most often at no cost. Below are details of the funeral for those who wish to send condolences. Bob Fabie Fredericksburg, Va Frederick E. Thomas *Date published: 3/13/2011* Frederick E. Thomas Frederick E. Thomas, 76, of Stafford County passed away Thursday, March 10, 2011, at St. Mary's Hospital in Richmond. Mr. Thomas was born on June 6, 1934, in Alexandria to John and Mary Sheffield Thomas. He was an avid collector of classic automobiles and a football fan, and was employed in auto sales prior to his retirement. Survivors include his loving wife of 34 years, Debra; a daughter, Cheryl Kull and husband Patrick of St. Stephens; two grandchildren; one great-grandchild; a brother, John Thomas and wife Dian of Florida; and two sisters, Rose Marie Thomas of Springfield and Nancy Stutzman of Annandale. The family will receive friends on Monday, March 14, from 7 to 9 p.m. at Mullins and Thompson Funeral Home, Stafford Chapel, 186 Shelton Shop Road. Services are private. Condolences may be sent to mullinsthompsonstaf ford.com. From jibjib at att.net Thu Mar 10 23:34:52 2011 From: jibjib at att.net (Jack Brooks) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:34:52 -0800 Subject: [TR] [Shop-talk] Big Boys don't cry In-Reply-To: <4D79A86D.5040405@bradakis.com> References: <4D79A86D.5040405@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Fred, we will miss you buddy. Jack -----Original Message----- From: shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 8:43 PM To: Triumphs; spitfires at autox.team.net; Shop-talk at autox.team.net; british-cars at autox.team.net Subject: [Shop-talk] Big Boys don't cry autox /local/mailman/teamnet/bin 1251 :: su1 ./remove_members -n --fromall frede.thomas2 at verizon.net User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: british-cars. User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: shop-talk. User `frede.thomas2 at verizon.net' removed from list: spitfires. User `frede.thomas2 at verison.net' removed from list: triumphs. Godspeed, old friend. mjb. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/jibjib at att.net From keithstewart at execulink.com Fri Mar 11 16:30:05 2011 From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:30:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fred is dead. Long live Fred. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2011-03-11, at 2:00 PM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > So now what? We have to do something to commemorate the gentleman. > > It could be just here among us Team.Net folks. It could be we lobby for > some special recognition at the next VTR convention. What can we do? > Whatever it is it should somehow involve a powder coated Triumph part. When talking about this issue, I keep thinking about that Human Resources adage "It's about the people, stupid!" in that with Fred, it wasn't about competing with others either in driving events or on the show field. He often had no interest in showing his car (other than to individuals) unless the show needed more vehicles on the field and then, he was there. Fred was always there to lend a helping hand but more importantly, he was a friend whose stories I was always eager to hear. As my wife says, he was a character - one that she too looked forward to seeing at events. Yes, with Fred, it WAS about the people. While powder coating will always be connected with Fred, honouring this fine gentleman should be more about people, friendships, and support than about competing and judging. For what it is worth, that is my $.02. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com From levilevi at comcast.net Fri Mar 11 19:37:11 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:37:11 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas/Friend and Mentor In-Reply-To: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> References: <65841E25F448458FAC564FCBDB2693C6@DCS78M81> Message-ID: <1BD1C20A-7737-44F1-9D9C-A6F16DA44F32@comcast.net> We have lost an Icon of the Triumph Marque with Fred's death. He befriended me via email before my first VTR in 1999 in Portland, Maine and really made it possible for me to have the confidence in my car to drive it there from Denver. I did my first autocross ever that year and I'll never forget Fred suggesting with a wry smile that I might want to ask what others were using for tire pressure after he'd seen me do a 360 trying to negotiate the slalom part of the course. Then he proceeded to borrow an air pump for me to use before my next run. That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. From that moment to the last time I saw him at VTR in Valley Forge to talking with him last September, Fred was the one I always went to with my "stupid" questions cause he was always willing to explain anything. After seeing his car in Portland I knew his standards of what a car should be was something I wanted to aspire to but would probably never reach. That was confirmed shortly before the VTR in Richmond, VA when I talked to him and he told me he'd been busy waxing his frame (which of course was powder coated). Fred was proud of his work pit that allowed him to work on the car without a lift or jacks and was the only person I ever heard of that had one in his garage....no wonder he could wax his frame. Like many others Fred taught me to powder coat anything that wouldn't melt and provided me with everything from bulk powder to how to build a spray booth (he even sent me a lazy susan type swivel for it) and advice on preheating, boiling off residues, and timing the heating process for various metals. That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. I was hoping that he'd make it to Jekyll Island and he said he wouldn't miss it for anything when he emailed me a month before, but obviously his health wouldn't permit it or he'd have been there as there was nothing he loved more than to be around his car people. I'd also hoped he make it out for VTR in Breckenridge this year as he and Dan Masters had done in 2001. It was an honor to have their presence and cars parked in my driveway for a BBQ a few days before the 2001 VTR and I've got some great pics of Fred and his beautiful 1959 TR3A. Fred always saved me a place at his table at the VTR banquets and I'm going to sorely miss that tradition this year. That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. Some folks may not know this but Fred was also a Spitfire guy and a Model A guy and was an expert with both. I met a young man who'd acquired a Model A and didn't know where to start so I introduced him via email to Fred who proceeded to provide him with resources, advice, and encouragement. He told him, "Keep me posted on your progress as well as any parts you may need" That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. Fred believed in driving his cars whether it be to the hardware store or cross country and he was an inspiration to many to do the same. I know it gave him great pleasure to beat the trailer queens out for Best of Show honors and he had many of those. No one was more deserving of the Charles McCartney Daily Driver Award and he was the standard for what that award stands for. I know personally that he has helped many who have tried to follow in his footsteps. That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. Fred's legacy in the Triumph community (as reflected in the many tributes we've seen already) will outlast even the parts he's been responsible for getting powder coated and those will last a long long time. Any ideas for honoring Fred at VTR this year and beyond would be welcome and I'll get together with Ronnie and Tom to make that happen. So Fred I'm hoisting a Sprite in your honor...I'll miss you. I'm sure by the time we see the Pearly Gates Fred will have helped powder coat them. That's just the way Fred was...always helping people. With Fond Memories, Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:02 PM, THOMAS FANSHER wrote: > Fred's wife, Debbie, just called to say that Fred died this > afternoon. > He was still in the hospital and had started experiencing organ > failure a couple of days ago. I was just a steady decline that had > started a couple of years ago. > I don't have any details of arrangements at this time. > He was kind of a controversial guy and you either liked him or not, > but his enthusiasm for Triumphs and those who loved them cannot be > disputed. I know we'll all miss him and his valuable input to the > list and our lives. > The home address is: > > 211 Commander Cove > Stafford, VA 22554 > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net > From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 17:17:25 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:17:25 -0400 Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication Message-ID: I need to adapt a modern cable to my tr4 choke cable. I think I have it figured out cept for one thing. I need a little slug of what Looks like solder ball at the end of the cable. Any one out there know how to make a solder ball at the end of a steel cable? Thanks chris From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Mar 13 17:50:28 2011 From: dave1massey at cs.com (dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDAFF8F0DF214E-124C-1ED25@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com> Chris, check your local hardware store in the chain and cable section. You can get crimp-on connectors for steel cable of various sizes. These are for fastening the ends of cables together forming loops but you can crimp them onto a cable creating the stop you need. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Sent: Sun, Mar 13, 2011 7:17 pm Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication I need to adapt a modern cable to my tr4 choke cable. I think I have it figured out cept for one thing. I need a little slug of what Looks like solder ball at the end of the cable. Any one out there know how to make a solder ball at the end of a steel cable? Thanks chris From greg at gelhar.com Sun Mar 13 18:02:27 2011 From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:02:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication References: Message-ID: <006201cbe1e3$7f163a20$0a01a8c0@triumph> Chris, I can't say if my method would be "factory approved" but I make a few turns of ordinary copper wire to fashion a similar looking ball and use silver solder to make it permanent. Do not use lead solder and do use a good silver solder flux. Also, protect the cable housing from the heat. Do not attempt this if your soldering skills are suspect. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" To: "list Triumph" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:17 PM Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication >I need to adapt a modern cable to my tr4 choke cable. I think I have > it figured out cept for one thing. I need a little slug of what Looks > like solder ball at the end of the cable. Any one out there know how > to make a solder ball at the end of a steel cable? > > Thanks chris From wbeech at flash.net Sun Mar 13 19:29:20 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:29:20 -0600 Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Try you local bicycle or motorcycle shop, they would probably even make it up for you with the end that you need. The cables that I bought for the TR3 door pulls already had the solder ball on them. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 6:17 PM To: list Triumph Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication I need to adapt a modern cable to my tr4 choke cable. I think I have it figured out cept for one thing. I need a little slug of what Looks like solder ball at the end of the cable. Any one out there know how to make a solder ball at the end of a steel cable? Thanks chris _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From rbtr3a at cox.net Sun Mar 13 20:04:11 2011 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (rbtr3a at cox.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 03:04:11 +0000 Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication Message-ID: <1126584172-1300071839-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-511837316-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Chris How a bout a lead shot fishing weight. Round and crimp. They are available in different sizes Ronnie Babbitt ------Original Message------ From: Chris Simo Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Cable fabrication Sent: Mar 13, 2011 8:17 PM I need to adapt a modern cable to my tr4 choke cable. I think I have it figured out cept for one thing. I need a little slug of what Looks like solder ball at the end of the cable. Any one out there know how to make a solder ball at the end of a steel cable? Thanks chris _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rbtr3a at cox.net Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Mar 13 23:34:03 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 01:34:03 -0500 Subject: [TR] Aluminum Front Hubs, TR-2/3/4/5/6/250 Message-ID: <20110314063412.88395187647@autox.team.net> I had previously solicited interest from this group for a limited run of Aluminum Front Hubs for the big TR's. I have the hubs back from manufacturing and am ready to take orders - I believe that I have contacted everyone who was "on the list". However, if you were waiting to hear from me that these are ready to go and didn't get a message from me, please contact me off-list. Details here: http://www.tonydrews.com/Aluminum%20Hubs/AluminumFrontHubs.htm Thanks, Tony Drews From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 07:18:11 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] squeaky front suspension TR3 Message-ID: <604954.44781.qm@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> any easy fix for my squeaky front suspension. rebuilt with stock rubber's. thanks Frank From darrellw at ipns.com Mon Mar 14 07:33:07 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 07:33:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] squeaky front suspension TR3 In-Reply-To: <604954.44781.qm@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <604954.44781.qm@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mar 14, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Frank Fisher wrote: > any easy fix for my squeaky front suspension. > rebuilt with stock rubber's. > thanks > Frank Hi Frank, As I understand it, the stock rubber bushing are not supposed to rotate (the motion is accommodated by the elasticity of the bushing). You could try some silicone spray, but I would look to make sure there isn't something else making the squeaks. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS CTC67956L Vancouver, WA, USA From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 14 08:07:45 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:07:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <026a01cbe259$938ba3c0$baa2eb40$@rr.com> > So I tested the (probably original and nearly 1/2 century old) springs > with a spring scale and found that it took 5 - 6 lbs. each to pull > them out 1/4'' beyond the in-place pretension point. FWIW, I checked both an old spring and a couple of new ones last night, with my digital fish scale. Didn't have a number for installed length, so I just pulled them out from coil bind. The new springs took about 4 lbs to pull 1/4", the old one a bit less than 3 lbs. Doesn't really help with your problem, but I think it indicates that your old springs were pretty close to correct. Sounds like you've got your jets & seals really slicked up. Hope they stay that way. -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 09:46:00 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:46:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: The subject of a decal honoring Fred Thomas was proposed last week. After some initial dialog we WILL be proceeding with this project. The design and details are in the initial stages but the intent is to have a 3 inch decal offered to who ever wants one at a minimal cost to pay for the manufacturing and mailing of the decals. This will not be a for profit enterprise. I am NOT taking orders yet. Lots of details to be worked out before that point. I will post updates on the project as we go forward so be patient with me:) . Thanks, Marty Sukey From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 14 09:49:06 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:49:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Sounds great. My only suggestion is maybe some profit should be made and it should be forwarded to the VTR. Fred really loved the VTR and I would think that would be a fitting gesture. Just my $0.02. Brad On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > The subject of a decal honoring Fred Thomas was proposed last week. After > some initial dialog we WILL be proceeding with this project. The design and > details are in the initial stages but the intent is to have a 3 inch decal > offered to who ever wants one at a minimal cost to pay for the manufacturing > and mailing of the decals. This will not be a for profit enterprise. I am > NOT taking orders yet. Lots of details to be worked out before that point. I > will post updates on the project as we go forward so be patient with me:) . > > Thanks, > Marty Sukey > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bkahler1 at gmail.com > > From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 09:56:18 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:56:18 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com>, , Message-ID: I understand your point........... but I really don't want to tread in those waters. I think it would be a better idea that if somebody wants to make a donation to VTR on Fred's memory that would be better. Thanks for the idea though. Marty Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:49:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal From: brad.kahler at 141.com To: trmarty at hotmail.com; Triumphs at autox.team.net Sounds great. My only suggestion is maybe some profit should be made and it should be forwarded to the VTR. Fred really loved the VTR and I would think that would be a fitting gesture. Just my $0.02. Brad From brad.kahler at 141.com Mon Mar 14 10:12:35 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:12:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: That would work just as well. On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:56 PM, marty sukey wrote: > I understand your point........... but I really don't want to tread in > those waters. I think it would be a better idea that if somebody wants to > make a donation to VTR on Fred's memory that would be better. Thanks for > the idea though. > > Marty > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 12:49:06 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal > From: brad.kahler at 141.com > To: trmarty at hotmail.com; Triumphs at autox.team.net > > Sounds great. > > My only suggestion is maybe some profit should be made and it should be > forwarded to the VTR. Fred really loved the VTR and I would think that > would be a fitting gesture. > > Just my $0.02. > > Brad > > > > From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com Mon Mar 14 10:35:04 2011 From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:35:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <6A73E88D-7B11-411B-AC94-31B0761C72D1@blakedischer.com> On Mar 14, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Brad Kahler wrote: > My only suggestion is maybe some profit should be made and it should be > forwarded to the VTR. Fred really loved the VTR and I would think that > would be a fitting gesture. Hey Brad, Fred did love the VTR and it was he in fact who made the presentation on John Macartney's behalf to the board that VTR jump in as one of the early supporters of John's charity drive across the US and Canada in a Stag. Rather than VTR, I'd suggest that any profit be donated to an appropriate charity in Fred's name and the guidance on which charity might best come from either Ronnie Babbitt or Tom Fansher. This would be a more fitting gesture since Fred seemed to get involved in just about every club, not to mention the TRF summer parties, which is where I first met him. I too will raise a glass of Sprite to Fred tonight. Best regards, Blake Discher, President VINTAGE TRIUMPH REGISTER From pethier at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 10:53:29 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:53:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: <1226347299.2471423.1300125166566.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <655683510.2471485.1300125209764.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > Fred did love the VTR and it was he in fact who made the presentation > on John Macartney's behalf to the board that VTR jump in as one of the > early supporters of John's charity drive across the US and Canada in a > Stag. > > Rather than VTR, I'd suggest that any profit be donated to an > appropriate charity in Fred's name and the guidance on which charity > might best come from either Ronnie Babbitt or Tom Fansher. This would > be a more fitting gesture since Fred seemed to get involved in just > about every club, not to mention the TRF summer parties, which is > where I first met him. There's always the trio of charities (USA/UK/Canada) for which uncle jack was driven. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com Mon Mar 14 11:02:45 2011 From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:02:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: <655683510.2471485.1300125209764.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <655683510.2471485.1300125209764.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've always liked the K.I.S.S. philosophy. This could very quickly turn into a debate about charities, ugh. We are all posting information and tributes to Fred on the very "vehicle" many of us knew Fred on, Mark's listserve. We could settle this once and for all and send any profits to the list. I know I'm just guessing, but I bet Fred would like that. My $.02. Cheers, Blake On Mar 14, 2011, at 1:53 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >> Fred did love the VTR and it was he in fact who made the presentation >> on John Macartney's behalf to the board that VTR jump in as one of the >> early supporters of John's charity drive across the US and Canada in a >> Stag. >> >> Rather than VTR, I'd suggest that any profit be donated to an >> appropriate charity in Fred's name and the guidance on which charity >> might best come from either Ronnie Babbitt or Tom Fansher. This would >> be a more fitting gesture since Fred seemed to get involved in just >> about every club, not to mention the TRF summer parties, which is >> where I first met him. > > There's always the trio of charities (USA/UK/Canada) for which uncle jack was driven. From tfansher at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 11:21:14 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (THOMAS FANSHER) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:21:14 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal References: <655683510.2471485.1300125209764.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I like that idea. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Blake J. Discher" To: ; "Triumphs List" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal > I've always liked the K.I.S.S. philosophy. This could very quickly turn > into a debate about charities, ugh. We are all posting information and > tributes to Fred on the very "vehicle" many of us knew Fred on, Mark's > listserve. We could settle this once and for all and send any profits to > the list. I know I'm just guessing, but I bet Fred would like that. > > My $.02. > > Cheers, > Blake > From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 11:24:09 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:24:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] tr3 loud noise on braking In-Reply-To: <1274266690-1299439355-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1559909839-@bda646.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <728332.78662.qm@web120211.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1274266690-1299439355-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1559909839-@bda646.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <308522.46863.qm@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> why would shock mounts only show up under very hard braking though? would you not hear them under regular breaking? and hard bumps in the road? Frank ________________________________ From: "pryner at verizon.net" To: Frank Fisher Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 11:22:34 AM Subject: Re: [TR] tr3 loud noise on braking Check your shock mounts and exhaust.? My noise was the shocks. Pete Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fisher still working the bugs out of buddies newly restored TR3. during easy or very hard acceleration we have no problems. easy to medium braking = no problems. but when you hit the brakes real hard there is a large "clunk" noise that comes from the rear. like the axle. checked all the bolts for tightness and nothing loose. took the brakes apart and checked them. all seem good. thoughts? thanks Frank From tr3 at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 14 13:57:41 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:57:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <026a01cbe259$938ba3c0$baa2eb40$@rr.com> References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> <026a01cbe259$938ba3c0$baa2eb40$@rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks for testing them, Randall. Interesting, your old ones were weaker than your new ones(!?) Don't know what to make of it, but I am definitely staying with the new ones that at least allow me to pull it out far enough. Hope this message will get to you on the List, because I seem to have been banished (reason "don't allow non-members to post"). I have been a member for over a year. Oh well, hopefully just some computer glitch. Hans On Mar 14, 2011, at 8:07 AM, Randall wrote: >> So I tested the (probably original and nearly 1/2 century old) >> springs >> with a spring scale and found that it took 5 - 6 lbs. each to pull >> them out 1/4'' beyond the in-place pretension point. > > FWIW, I checked both an old spring and a couple of new ones last > night, with > my digital fish scale. Didn't have a number for installed length, > so I just > pulled them out from coil bind. The new springs took about 4 lbs to > pull > 1/4", the old one a bit less than 3 lbs. > > Doesn't really help with your problem, but I think it indicates that > your > old springs were pretty close to correct. > > Sounds like you've got your jets & seals really slicked up. Hope > they stay > that way. > > -- Randall > From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 13:59:51 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] bushing carbs Message-ID: <618544.19200.qm@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Listers, I'm assessing the condition of my carbs (SU tr-3) and feel the throttle shafts probably need rebushing. I know the suggestions that these need to be reamed by professionals and am wondering if its something that can be done by a hobbiest. Has anyone done it for themselves and how did it come out? Would you do it again? thanks gary n. From thenicholls at verizon.net Mon Mar 14 14:38:59 2011 From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:38:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] bushing carbs Message-ID: <1359902976.293565.1300138739401.JavaMail.root@vznit170078> In my case for my TR6, I sent the whole thing to Paltech. They came back brand new. Site: http://www.paltech1.com/ Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Mar 14, 2011 05:00:05 PM, nafzigerg at yahoo.com wrote: Listers, I'm assessing the condition of my carbs (SU tr-3) and feel the throttle shafts probably need rebushing. I know the suggestions that these need to be reamed by professionals and am wondering if its something that can be done by a hobbiest. Has anyone done it for themselves and how did it come out? Would you do it again? thanks gary n. _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls at verizon.net From jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 14 14:58:53 2011 From: jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com (John Young) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 14:58:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] bushing carbs Message-ID: <162194.70864.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> On my '66 spitfire, I took the SUs apart to bush the throttle shafts and found that the shafts had nearly all the wear. I just replaced the shafts with new ones and that cured the problem. ? You might look to see if your housing needs bushes or you just need new?shafts. John Young NASS# 528 Indiana '78 Spitfire '66 Spitfire '59 TR3A (getting body work) '59 TR10 running, but not ready for the highway. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 14 15:30:17 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:30:17 -0700 Subject: [TR] bushing carbs In-Reply-To: <618544.19200.qm@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <618544.19200.qm@web65308.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <033501cbe297$65967790$30c366b0$@rr.com> > Has anyone done it for themselves and how did it come out? > Would you > do it again? Yes, good, and yes. But I wish I had read one of these articles first: http://www.chicagolandmgclub.com/driveline00/1001/jasw.html http://home.comcast.net/~rhodes/Tech_Carb_Bushing_Reaming.pdf A simple 'chucking' 3/8" reamer can be had from Enco for about $10 http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INPDFF?PMPAGE=70&PARTPG=INLMK32 If anyone cares, I did mine using a block of wood, a countersink, drill press and suitable drill. And Loctite. Clamped the wood to the drill press table and drilled a hole in it to accept the shank of the countersink, which I then used like a center to engage the throttle shaft hole on the bottom. Held the carb body in one hand and lowered the drill press to drill into the other side. First one came out a bit crooked, but I was able to straighten it up with a 5/16" valve stem reamer (borrowed from a friend). Second one was spot-on, no reaming afterwards. One of the things not mentioned in the articles above (but IIRC in my SU carb book) is to not drill/ream all the way to the carb bore. Instead, just go most of the way through, and leave a thin wall next to the throttle plate, so the shape of the bore still matches the plate. As noted, try a new shaft (or 5/16" drill shank) in your old bushings first. You may not need new ones. But I sure did. It's even possible that the shafts were replaced once before, since for me, most of the wear appeared to be in the bore. -- Randall From tfansher at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 15:32:51 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:32:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <603586837.2477426.1300141820866.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1068867779.2477542.1300141971343.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> This is Fansher's tip of the day, I learned it recently from Jere Dotten....instead of just pulling out the choke before starting any manual choke car, push?the accelerator to the floor.? Yes, the choke still has to pull down on the jet, but there is no added pressure by the throttle. Try it, works for me and the bruise on my forehead where I hit myself for not figuring out that a long time ago is nearly healed ;^) Tom driving the 61 TR3A this evening and loving it!!!! From tfansher at comcast.net Mon Mar 14 15:35:55 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:35:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Fwd: Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <593182948.2477658.1300142122843.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <51500611.2477690.1300142155644.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> That's push in accelerator in and then pull out the choke......Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: tfansher at comcast.net To: "Hans de Ferrante" Cc: "Triumphs List" Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:32:51 PM Subject: [TR] Was : ?Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 This is Fansher's tip of the day, I learned it recently from Jere Dotten....instead of just pulling out the choke before starting any manual choke car, push?the accelerator to the floor.? Yes, the choke still has to pull down on the jet, but there is no added pressure by the throttle. Try it, works for me and the bruise on my forehead where I hit myself for not figuring out that a long time ago is nearly healed ;^) Tom driving the 61 TR3A this evening and loving it!!!! _______________________________________________ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 14 16:16:49 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:16:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fwd: Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <51500611.2477690.1300142155644.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <593182948.2477658.1300142122843.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <51500611.2477690.1300142155644.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <034501cbe29d$e5c559d0$b1500d70$@rr.com> > instead of just pulling out the choke before starting any > manual choke car, > push the accelerator to the floor. I agree entirely (except you only have to push the accelerator a little way, not to the floor). However yesterday, while I was working on the OD, I reached into the car, pulled the choke out and started the engine, all with my left hand. It just shouldn't be that stiff, IMO. Old cables do sometimes develop a lot of friction that only shows up when they are under tension. Mine was totally unusable when I bought the car; in fact I got it at a discount because the seller could not get it started. Not knowing any better, he was only pulling the knob out enough to set the fast idle (which is where it started to bind). I just turned the key, walked around and squeezed the choke levers on the front carb and pushed the button on the solenoid ... should've seen his face when it started right up! But a new aftermarket cable from Moss solved the problem. That was around 1984, and I'm still using that same cable ... money well spent -- Randall From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 14 16:20:35 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:20:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Fred Thomas Decal In-Reply-To: <6A73E88D-7B11-411B-AC94-31B0761C72D1@blakedischer.com> References: <8CDAF09EE71A041-E298-19964@TSTMAIL-D09.sysops.aol.com> <6A73E88D-7B11-411B-AC94-31B0761C72D1@blakedischer.com> Message-ID: <919121.81408.qm@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Glake Discher wrote: Fred did love the VTR and it was he in fact who made the presentation on John Macartney's behalf to the board that VTR jump in as one of the early supporters of John's charity drive across the US and Canada in a Stag.? Blake, just for the record (as I understand things) and I stand accused if seen to be splitting hairs, but .... Fred made the presentation to the VTR board on his behalf - and not mine. Fred and I had several very long trans-Atlantic calls in 2006/2007 - all at Fred's cost and discussing the options open to me to devise the Charity Drive. It was he who *asked* me if I minded if he could approach VTR? At no time did I ever ask or suggest he did that and I was very touched and supremely grateful to him by that offer and his later action. Be in no doubt, many of the things that took place during the summer of 2009 came from Fred's very fertile mind and his continuing support, even though I knew?that he was starting to be?far from well. Fred played an enormous and very welcome part in the very early planning stages of that event and I will never forget his contribution. John Macartney From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Mar 14 18:32:44 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:32:44 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fwd: Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <51500611.2477690.1300142155644.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <593182948.2477658.1300142122843.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>, <51500611.2477690.1300142155644.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: WITH CAR NOT RUNNING! :) Marty > Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 22:35:55 +0000 > From: tfansher at comcast.net > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Fwd: Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 > > > > > That's push in accelerator in and then pull out the choke......Tom > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tfansher at comcast.net > To: "Hans de Ferrante" > Cc: "Triumphs List" > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 6:32:51 PM > Subject: [TR] Was : Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 > > > > > > This is Fansher's tip of the day, I learned it recently from Jere Dotten....instead of just pulling out the choke before starting any manual choke car, > > push the accelerator to the floor. Yes, the choke still has to pull down on the jet, but there is no added pressure by the throttle. Try it, works for me and the bruise on my forehead where I hit myself for not figuring out that a long time ago is nearly healed ;^) > > Tom > > driving the 61 TR3A this evening and loving it!!!! > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trmarty at hotmail.com > From tr3 at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 14 19:35:32 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:35:32 -0700 Subject: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 In-Reply-To: <005001cbe2b2$e26b4cd0$a741e670$@net> References: <3ECFFB43-F228-4313-A161-E37F354E2B60@roadrunner.com> <026a01cbe259$938ba3c0$baa2eb40$@rr.com> <003a01cbe28e$46911de0$d3b359a0$@net> <0426CE99-A705-4992-892B-D2B00FAC3321@roadrunner.com> <005001cbe2b2$e26b4cd0$a741e670$@net> Message-ID: Joe, Somehow, I must have been re-instated again (see my today's subject email to the list from 1:57 PM). I'll just keep my fingers crossed. Hans On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Joe Laurito wrote: > The password reminders are sent out en masse. The last one was mailed > 3/4/2011....next one should be about 4/1. It will be sent to your > email > account of record. If that is not the account you used to signed up, > you > will not get the monthly reminder. I changed my service provider and > had to > reset everything in order to post to the list. > > Joe Laurito > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Hans de Ferrante [mailto:tr3 at roadrunner.com] > Sent: Monday, March 14, 2011 8:54 PM > To: Joe Laurito > Subject: Re: [TR] Finger Breaking Choke Pull, TR3 > > Joe, > > thanks for your response. I never changed my email address for the > list and as far as I know I always sent it from "hdefer at roadrunner.com > " > I followed your advise, and asked for the password reminder to get > into my account and was prompted that it had been emailed to me. That > was about 2 hrs ago; still haven't received it. > > Hans > > > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Joe Laurito wrote: > >> Hans; >> >> If you are posting from a different email address, you are no >> longer a >> member. In any event, go to the bottom of this message and click on >> the link >> to manage your address. If it can't find you, just re-register there >> with >> your current address. >> >> Joe Laurito >> >> >> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Triumphs at autox.team.net >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Suggested annual donation $11.47 >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Manage your account: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory at verizon.net >> > From tr6driver at yahoo.com Tue Mar 15 03:05:19 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 03:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Reintroduction Message-ID: <860541.62578.qm@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Just saying "Hi" after rejoining the list after a long absence. Never left the hobby (those that know me know that wouldn't be possible) and wanted to rejoin. The stable currently consists of: '56 Standard Vanguard Sportsman (restored) '63 Italia 2000 (needs a freshening again...owned for 24 hrs) '67 Triumph Spitfire Mk2 ( daily driver) '67 Triumph 2000 Mk 1 Estate (under refurbishment) '73 Triumph TR6 ((needs clutch & finish AC install) '79 Triumph Spitfire 1500 (wife's project car) '63 Triumph TR4 (in search of a Hathaway or Hunter body) and 1/6 of Lacey the ChumpCar RiffRAF Racing TR6. So. speaking of the TR4...anyone got a Hunter or Hathaway body kit or car they want to sell/trade??? Thanks, and I'll go into listening mode now... Jamie Palmer From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 04:08:42 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:08:42 -0400 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 Message-ID: I am looking for a picture of Fred's car by its self. A side view or a front/side view. Anybody have one? Thanks, Marty From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 04:08:50 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:08:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 Message-ID: I am looking for a picture of Fred's car by its self. A side view or a front/side view. Anybody have one? Thanks, Marty From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 15 06:36:41 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:36:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Reintroduction In-Reply-To: <860541.62578.qm@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <58541529.2519272.1300196201486.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> >'63 Italia 2000 (needs a freshening again...owned for 24 hrs) 24 hours? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From McGaheyRx at aol.com Tue Mar 15 06:52:50 2011 From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (McGaheyRx at aol.com) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Reintroduction Message-ID: <28d9e.59224f6c.3ab0c932@aol.com> he meant years In a message dated 3/15/2011 9:41:46 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pethier at comcast.net writes: >'63 Italia 2000 (needs a freshening again...owned for 24 hrs) 24 hours? Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx at aol.com From rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com Tue Mar 15 07:04:30 2011 From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:04:30 -0500 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was looking at one last night. Side view with hardtop and wide white walls installed. The site does not seem to want to provide a link directly to Fred's car. Go to http://www.trregistry.com Under the "TR3 Menu" his is in the TR3B section. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:08:50 -0400 > Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 > > > I am looking for a picture of Fred's car by its self. A side view or a front/side view. Anybody have one? > > Thanks, > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com > From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Mar 15 07:05:02 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Reintroduction In-Reply-To: <860541.62578.qm@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <860541.62578.qm@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CDB1311C8164C7-89C-2BF49@Webmail-m118.sysops.aol.com> Welcome back to the list, Jamie! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Just saying "Hi" after rejoining the list after a long absence. From stan.foster at hp.com Tue Mar 15 07:10:56 2011 From: stan.foster at hp.com (Foster, Stan (HP IT)) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:10:56 +0000 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: http://www.trregistry.com/tr3pics/TCF46461-46461.jpg -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich White Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 10:05 AM To: trmarty at hotmail.com; TR owners List Subject: Re: [TR] FT's TR3 I was looking at one last night. Side view with hardtop and wide white walls installed. The site does not seem to want to provide a link directly to Fred's car. Go to http://www.trregistry.com Under the "TR3 Menu" his is in the TR3B section. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > From: trmarty at hotmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:08:50 -0400 > Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 > > > I am looking for a picture of Fred's car by its self. A side view or a front/side view. Anybody have one? > > Thanks, > Marty > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation > $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com > _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/stan.foster at hp.com From tr3 at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 15 09:30:58 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: [TR] Cal.DMV now OK with Replica Plates(?) References: Message-ID: <62727354-3C92-46BA-A143-31178623EC15@roadrunner.com> > > While searching the internet on the subject I ran into this website > with an interesting announcement for California vintage car owners: > > http://cr8apl8.easystorecreator.com/items/cruise-the-usa-plate-styles/california-/list.htm?1=1 > > Hans > 1961 TR3 > > > > From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Mar 15 11:07:01 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:07:01 -0700 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <048001cbe33b$c896e920$59c4bb60$@rr.com> > http://www.trregistry.com/tr3pics/TCF46461-46461.jpg Someone goofed, Fred's car was a 59 TR3A. Might have been TS46461L, but not TCF. -- Randall From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 11:45:07 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:45:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: <048001cbe33b$c896e920$59c4bb60$@rr.com> References: <048001cbe33b$c896e920$59c4bb60$@rr.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:07 AM, Randall wrote: > > http://www.trregistry.com/tr3pics/TCF46461-46461.jpg > > Someone goofed, Fred's car was a 59 TR3A. Might have been TS46461L... And built, as I recall, on St Patrick's Day 1959. From bill_beecher at flash.net Wed Mar 16 13:05:57 2011 From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill_beecher at flash.net) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:05:57 -0600 Subject: [TR] Old Catalog collection Message-ID: <1FF4448B1D554ABE8EFACC81ABA626C6@bboffice> Does anyone collect old catalogs? Trying to make room on the shelf, I have a nice stack of Moss, VB, TRF and several other names I have never heard before from 1978 forward, mostly 1980s & 90s. (I am keeping the 1979 TRF booklet) Was 1978 The first year for Moss Motors, as this catalog is number TR-01. If there is something in particular that would have value to you let me know and I will see if it is in here. Free to a good home, if not to the re-cycler! Bill From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Wed Mar 16 19:05:02 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:05:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft Message-ID: <937828.79527.qm@web65304.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Randall sent a link to a good article concerning reaming your own carb for new bushings for throttle shafts. One suggestion included grinding the cutting edges of the flutes on the reamer to make them work in reverse. I'm not familiar enough with reamers. How simple is this? I'm guessing that it involves grinding one side of the cutting edge to make a "burr" on the other side of the cutting edge? Is the cutting edge of a reamer sharp and angled one direction (which needs to be changed the other direction by grinding?) Or is the cutting edge of a reamer square with a little angle? It looks doable to me and hopefully I can start soon. gary n. From greg at gelhar.com Wed Mar 16 19:32:42 2011 From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:32:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft References: <937828.79527.qm@web65304.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002201cbe44b$9bc3ed60$0a01a8c0@triumph> The reamer will still be turned in the same direction. The difference is that you will want it to cut from the shank end of the flutes instead of from the normal end. To do this, the back end of the flutes must have a shape with a cutting angle put on them. The shank will pass through both bushing holes to keep them aligned. Greg Gelhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nafziger" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:05 PM Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft > Randall sent a link to a good article concerning reaming your own carb for > new > bushings for throttle shafts. > > One suggestion included grinding the cutting edges of the flutes on the > reamer > to make them work in reverse. I'm not familiar enough with reamers. How > simple > is this? I'm guessing that it involves grinding one side of the cutting > edge to > make a "burr" on the other side of the cutting edge? > > > Is the cutting edge of a reamer sharp and angled one direction (which > needs to > be changed the other direction by grinding?) > Or is the cutting edge of a reamer square with a little angle? > It looks doable to me and hopefully I can start soon. > > gary n. From mmarr at notwires.com Wed Mar 16 20:13:09 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:13:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft References: <937828.79527.qm@web65304.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> <002201cbe44b$9bc3ed60$0a01a8c0@triumph> Message-ID: <9E3823F99573482E8DA284BDD2E8254E@trigeni.com> In other words, you would pull the reamer through the holes rather than pushing. I would certainly not try to add the required cutting edge by hand, but a tool-maker could do it fairly easily, if you know one that is willing to do some "government" work... Mike > The reamer will still be turned in the same direction. The difference is > that you will want it to cut from the shank end of the flutes instead of > from the normal end. To do this, the back end of the flutes must have a > shape with a cutting angle put on them. The shank will pass through both > bushing holes to keep them aligned. > > Greg Gelhar > From pethier at comcast.net Wed Mar 16 20:35:01 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 03:35:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft In-Reply-To: <9E3823F99573482E8DA284BDD2E8254E@trigeni.com> Message-ID: <2043832973.2635823.1300332901422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > From: "Michael Marr" > In other words, you would pull the reamer through the holes rather > than > pushing. ?I would certainly not try to add the required cutting edge > by > hand, but a tool-maker could do it fairly easily, if you know one that > is > willing to do some "government" work... The person you are looking for is a "tool and cutter grinder". Just look for the guy with the grinder marks on his safety glasses. :-) Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From wbeech at flash.net Wed Mar 16 21:02:26 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:02:26 -0600 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft In-Reply-To: <2043832973.2635823.1300332901422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <9E3823F99573482E8DA284BDD2E8254E@trigeni.com> <2043832973.2635823.1300332901422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Got mine done at a local machine shop... $85. Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of pethier at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 9:35 PM To: Michael Marr Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft > From: "Michael Marr" > In other words, you would pull the reamer through the holes rather > than pushing. ?I would certainly not try to add the required cutting > edge by hand, but a tool-maker could do it fairly easily, if you know > one that is willing to do some "government" work... The person you are looking for is a "tool and cutter grinder". Just look for the guy with the grinder marks on his safety glasses. :-) Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 16 23:08:04 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:08:04 -0700 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft In-Reply-To: <002201cbe44b$9bc3ed60$0a01a8c0@triumph> References: <937828.79527.qm@web65304.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> <002201cbe44b$9bc3ed60$0a01a8c0@triumph> Message-ID: <08d401cbe469$adedc150$0301a8c0@randall> > The reamer will still be turned in the same direction. The > difference is > that you will want it to cut from the shank end of the flutes > instead of > from the normal end. To do this, the back end of the flutes > must have a > shape with a cutting angle put on them. Right, except the "shape" can be a simple flat at the right angle (or close to it). Look at the normal leading edge (tip) of the reamer for an example, then grind the same flat onto the back edge, possibly with a bit more taper. An ordinary whetstone will do (although it will take some time) and probably be easier to control than a power grinding wheel or Dremel. -- Randall From dwillner at ptd.net Thu Mar 17 05:17:40 2011 From: dwillner at ptd.net (davewillner) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:17:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? Message-ID: Has anyone has ever come across or know of a source for the flocking that is used on the cubby boxes and the door panel inserts on the TR3s? I'm assuming it might come in a spray can? Any ideas? Appreciate it. Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Mar 17 05:33:10 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:33:10 -0400 Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D0015FAA45743C0B258605F3E59FDF0@BobPC> Google "Flocking Spray Paint" and you'll get a bunch of options. It looks like you need a special gun to apply it http://tinyurl.com/4bjfezr Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: davewillner Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2011 8:17 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? Has anyone has ever come across or know of a source for the flocking that is used on the cubby boxes and the door panel inserts on the TR3s? I'm assuming it might come in a spray can? Any ideas? Appreciate it. Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From opposumking at verizon.net Thu Mar 17 05:43:47 2011 From: opposumking at verizon.net (Nolan) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 08:43:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? References: Message-ID: <166D4BF9EC88461C8FD9FEE6CB400C62@mde.state.md.us> Last time I saw it in a spray can, it was for balding men. Comically bad looking. There are cheap flocking kits at various craft stores. Just a shaker can of fuzz. These just have you cover the surface with glue, then sprinkle the flocking onto the glue. And it looks like you dumped stuff in glue. I do not think this is the way to go either. Though with practice and skill, you can get a good looking result. For closer to $100 you can buy a flocking spray gun kit. It's still glue and flocking, but it looks a lot better. And then for even more money, you can add electrostatic to the gun, which is where you finally get the flocking to stand up and be uniform. You might be able to get a powder coating gun to do this. From kentech0822 at myfairpoint.net Thu Mar 17 13:02:53 2011 From: kentech0822 at myfairpoint.net (Peter K) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:02:53 -0400 Subject: [TR] flocking Message-ID: <37BC11CA189F4A969C47E7E26467EFDF@KENTECHHP> Sorry, I?m on the digest so I might be late in responding. But when I redid my 3A door panels, I used black felt that I bought a the craft supply store for under $1 per piece. I used 3M spray adhesive to glue it on. You would never know it?s not ?flocked? unless you removed the pockets to inspect them. hth, PeterK Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Has anyone has ever come across or know of a source for the flocking that is used on the cubby boxes and the door panel inserts on the TR3s? I'm assuming it might come in a spray can? Any ideas? Appreciate it. Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS From magnut_dan at hotmail.com Thu Mar 17 14:39:26 2011 From: magnut_dan at hotmail.com (Daniel Shockey) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:39:26 +0000 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have done several carbs without modifying the reamer blades in any way. The brass bushing is soft and there is no need for a fast job. It is great to be able to do this job yourself. Get a good American made reamer. Dan Shockey From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 14:40:53 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:40:53 -0400 Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did the TR2 have any flocking in those areas? Sorry to hijack... Chris 54 TR2 longdoor 63 TR4 engine in pieces.... From Loumetelko at aol.com Thu Mar 17 15:28:54 2011 From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? Message-ID: <4603c.13690b8d.3ab3e526@aol.com> Did the TR2 have any flocking in those areas? Sorry to hijack... Chris: The TR2 has flocking in the door pockets and the glove box (can't remember the British term). When I had those two areas done I contacted a company by the name of Donjer Products in Winnebago, Illinois with a phone of 800-336-6537. I ordered from a lady there named Jill. Keep in mind that this info is from my notes in maybe 2002 so ymmv. Flocking is widely used for the insides of jewelry boxes, gun cabinets, etc. As I remember Jill at Donjer custom mixed me a batch of Geranium. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana TRA in Fort Wayne in just 90 days From mmarr at notwires.com Thu Mar 17 17:27:16 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:27:16 -0500 Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft References: <2043832973.2635823.1300332901422.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Tool and die makers are skilled journeymen, who generally grind their own cutting tools and who are accustomed to making one-off tools. A tool and cutter grinder may be a semiskilled worker who basically loads and unloads a tool grinding machine, with a skilled worker actually doing the set-up. I stand by my original post. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Michael Marr" Cc: "Greg Gelhar" ; "Gary Nafziger" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft > From: "Michael Marr" > In other words, you would pull the reamer through the holes rather > than > pushing. I would certainly not try to add the required cutting edge > by > hand, but a tool-maker could do it fairly easily, if you know one that > is > willing to do some "government" work... The person you are looking for is a "tool and cutter grinder". Just look for the guy with the grinder marks on his safety glasses. :-) Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Fri Mar 18 01:38:44 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:38:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? In-Reply-To: <4603c.13690b8d.3ab3e526@aol.com> References: <4603c.13690b8d.3ab3e526@aol.com> Message-ID: <474342.2343.qm@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> The TR2 has flocking in the door pockets and the glove box (can't remember? the British term).? "Flocked door pockets" America and England united by a common language - in this instance :) Jonmac From pdqtr6 at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 04:32:33 2011 From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (pdqtr6 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 11:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? In-Reply-To: <474342.2343.qm@web28304.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1612178227.1434871.1300447953417.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I think the word he was looking for was "cubby" for "glove" box.? Once again Winston was spot on!! Tom Walling ----- Original Message ----- The TR2 has flocking in the door pockets and the glove box (can't remember? the British term).? "Flocked door pockets" America and England united by a common language - in this instance :) Jonmac???? _______________________________________________ From spamiam at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 05:33:44 2011 From: spamiam at comcast.net (spamiam at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:33:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Gary, I had an easy time using a dremel cut-off wheel to make the back-cuts on the flutes to get it to cut toward the shank. It was easy enough to do by hand. I'm not sure I would shell out $80 to have it professionally done, though I am sure the results are "better". If I were going to spend that kind of cash, I would look into getting a real piloted reamer. Joe Curto apparently supplies them, but when I enquired about purchasing one, he didn't seem thrilled to sell one. It seemed as if he didn't have them on hand ready to go. A more cost effective solution would be to strip the carbs, then send the bodies to Joe for bushing installation alone. I believe he quoted me $25 each a few years ago for just the bushing work. Shipping would be on top of that. -Tony ----- Original Message ----- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:05:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Gary Nafziger Subject: [TR] modifying a reamer for carb shaft To: triumphs at autox.team.net Message-ID: <937828.79527.qm at web65304.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Randall sent a link to a good article concerning reaming your own carb for new bushings for throttle shafts. One suggestion included grinding the cutting edges of the flutes on the reamer to make them work in reverse. I'm not familiar enough with reamers. How simple is this? I'm guessing that it involves grinding one side of the cutting edge to make a "burr" on the other side of the cutting edge? Is the cutting edge of a reamer sharp and angled one direction (which needs to be changed the other direction by grinding?) Or is the cutting edge of a reamer square with a little angle? It looks doable to me and hopefully I can start soon. gary n. From mmarr at notwires.com Fri Mar 18 05:56:35 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:56:35 -0500 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the reamer cut oversize, which kind of negates the whole purpose of using the reamer in the first place. But this is just my opinion, which, when coupled with 99 cents, might buy you a bag of Peanut M&Ms which some people would say are by far the more valuable part of the duo! :) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 > Gary, > > I had an easy time using a dremel cut-off wheel to make the back-cuts on > the flutes to get it to cut toward the shank. It was easy enough to do by > hand. I'm not sure I would shell out $80 to have it professionally done, > though I am sure the results are "better". If I were going to spend that > kind of cash, I would look into getting a real piloted From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 18 13:26:36 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:26:36 -0700 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> > My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the > reamer cut oversize, That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes. If anyone figures out how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please let me know! -- Randall From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Fri Mar 18 13:56:08 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <439221.86571.qm@web120202.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> of all the clumsy things i have managed to do, i cant do that with a ream. iv successfully managed it with drill bits, many, many times ;-) Frank ________________________________ From: Randall To: triumphs at autox.team.net; nafzigerg at yahoo.com Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 1:26:36 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 > My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the > reamer cut oversize, That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes.? If anyone figures out how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please let me know! -- Randall _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net Fri Mar 18 14:10:38 2011 From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:10:38 -0700 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> Message-ID: One pass with a file to meet the obligation of removing metal from the reamer. Then bend the reamer and use it. The eccentric movement will cut a larger hole. I'm sure that's not the solution you wanted :) Cliff -----Original Message----- From: Randall Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 1:26 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net ; nafzigerg at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 > My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the > reamer cut oversize, That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes. If anyone figures out how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please let me know! -- Randall _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cliff_hansen at earthlink.net From jrherrera90 at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 14:30:55 2011 From: jrherrera90 at hotmail.com (John Herrera) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:30:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>, <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com>, Message-ID: Or if you don't hold it perfectly straight! I have experimented with this. John H. > Then bend the reamer and use it. The eccentric movement will cut a larger > hole. > > I'm sure that's not the solution you wanted :) > > Cliff > > My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the > > reamer cut oversize, > > That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes. If anyone figures out > how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please let > me know! > > -- Randall From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 14:35:10 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:35:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Roll_over_bars?= Message-ID: <20110318213501.1F23A187655@autox.team.net> Who makes a good bolt in roll over bar for the tr4 and tr3? From GHaynesTR4 at aol.com Fri Mar 18 15:38:16 2011 From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com (GHaynesTR4 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions Message-ID: <2d177.11908e16.3ab538d8@aol.com> A friend - not on the list - has asked for a recommendation for a TR6 rear tube shock conversion. He has seen more than one type available and wanted a preference. I offered only one data point (happy with lever arm type; OK with the single-piece conversion brackets) and wondered what others have done and with what degree of satisfaction. His car is stock in all ways and driven gently in good weather here in Upstate New York. Thanks for input. George From McGaheyRx at aol.com Fri Mar 18 15:42:35 2011 From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (McGaheyRx at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:42:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions Message-ID: <1dba0.12635b16.3ab539db@aol.com> In a message dated 3/18/2011 6:38:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, GHaynesTR4 at aol.com writes: A friend - not on the list - has asked for a recommendation for a TR6 rear tube shock conversion. here's my recommendation: DON'T DO IT! why does he want to do this? Jack Mc From mmarr at notwires.com Fri Mar 18 15:47:09 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:47:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> If the new cutting edges that you create with your dremel are not all the same length and angle, it will force the reamer to rotate eccentricly and create a hole that is larger than its nominal diameter. There is enough radial clearance in the bearings of the drill press quill to enable this to happen. You can do the same thing with a drill bit - grind the cutting edge of one drill flute longer than the other and it will drill an oversize hole. Of course, this will only occur if the work is securely clamped. If it isn't the piece will "walk" with the drill or reamer. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 >> My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the >> reamer cut oversize, > > That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes. If anyone figures > out > how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please let > me know! > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr at notwires.com > > From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Fri Mar 18 16:04:22 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:04:22 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions In-Reply-To: <2d177.11908e16.3ab538d8@aol.com> References: <2d177.11908e16.3ab538d8@aol.com> Message-ID: This is always a hotly discussed conversion over in the 6-Pack Forum because some of the conversions use the old lever shock mounts as the mounting point. If the old lever mount isn't in good shape, the conversion stresses it and it cracks or breaks. I installed the Blind Moose kit which was created by Herman Van den Akker (Toyota 5 speed fame) and uses the lever mounting point. As soon as his auto cross buddies installed them the lever mounts cracked so Herman came up with a brace which fixed the problem. Herman ended up giving the design to Blind Moose Fabrication who periodically does a production run BUT...........they leave the additional brace up to the car owner to add. I know guys who have driven around without the brace with no problems and others who have broken the lever shock mount. Personally I wouldn't install them without the brace and it's tough to determine the condition of the old mount by just looking at it...........sort of like a cracked diff mount. If you go to my site you'll see the old Moss conversion that served me well for 11 years as well as the Blind Moose conversion with instructions for making the brace. http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/BlindMoose.htm As an aside.........today you can get the lever shocks rebuilt with various upgrades. If that was around 13 years ago when I got my car I may have gone the upgraded route. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:38 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions A friend - not on the list - has asked for a recommendation for a TR6 rear tube shock conversion. He has seen more than one type available and wanted a preference. I offered only one data point (happy with lever arm type; OK with the single-piece conversion brackets) and wondered what others have done and with what degree of satisfaction. His car is stock in all ways and driven gently in good weather here in Upstate New York. Thanks for input. George From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 18 16:14:44 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:14:44 -0700 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> <5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> Message-ID: <0a4e01cbe5c2$454c5e40$cfe51ac0$@rr.com> > You can do the same thing with a drill bit - grind the cutting > edge > of one drill flute longer than the other and it will drill an oversize > hole. Yes, but that happens because a drill bit is normally working from a "center" at the tip. Grind one lip longer than the other, and the point is no longer in the middle of the drill (making it farther from the point to one flute). Run that same drill bit through a pilot hole (so the tip of the bit no longer engages the work) and it won't cut oversize. Or at least not nearly as much. A properly sharpened drill bit does cut just a bit oversize. > There is enough radial clearance in the bearings And even if there wasn't, the drill bit would flex that much. > drill press quill Who said anything about a drill press? Remember, we are doing this by hand, using the opposite bushing as a pilot. At any rate, it wouldn't hurt anything if the hole were a few .001" oversize. Just put a dab of Loctite on the bushing before you tap it into place. And a cheap import reamer will do more carb bushings than you are likely to wear out in a lifetime. We're not talking about production machining of thousands of parts or even turning the reamer with a machine. -- Randall From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 18 16:19:10 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:19:10 -0700 Subject: [TR] Roll over bars In-Reply-To: <20110318213501.1F23A187655@autox.team.net> References: <20110318213501.1F23A187655@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0a4f01cbe5c2$e38ce930$aaa6bb90$@rr.com> > Who makes a good bolt in roll over bar for the tr4 and tr3? My opinion, such a thing is impossible. To be good for anything except bragging, a roll bar has to tie into the frame. But the frame is in a very inconvenient place to attach a roll bar. Hence the only way to do it right is to weld in additional steel to mate the roll bar to the frame. Anything that just bolts to the sheet metal will just rip right out before it will do any good in an accident. -- Randall From spitlist at cox.net Fri Mar 18 16:37:41 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:37:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] Roll over bars In-Reply-To: <0a4f01cbe5c2$e38ce930$aaa6bb90$@rr.com> References: <20110318213501.1F23A187655@autox.team.net> <0a4f01cbe5c2$e38ce930$aaa6bb90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <702B05C6D90A4BBBA53FE350612A269D@Vista> The SCCA allows bracing onto structural body parts (such as wheel arches) when it is inconvenient (or impossible) to secure it to the frame. This is for Autocross rules. Not sure about road race rules (GCR). Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 4:19 PM To: Triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Roll over bars > Who makes a good bolt in roll over bar for the tr4 and tr3? My opinion, such a thing is impossible. To be good for anything except bragging, a roll bar has to tie into the frame. But the frame is in a very inconvenient place to attach a roll bar. Hence the only way to do it right is to weld in additional steel to mate the roll bar to the frame. Anything that just bolts to the sheet metal will just rip right out before it will do any good in an accident. -- Randall _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 16:42:18 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:42:18 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions In-Reply-To: <1dba0.12635b16.3ab539db@aol.com> References: <1dba0.12635b16.3ab539db@aol.com> Message-ID: I concur. Marty > From: McGaheyRx at aol.com > Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:42:35 -0400 > To: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 Rear Shock Conversions > > > > In a message dated 3/18/2011 6:38:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > GHaynesTR4 at aol.com writes: > > A friend - not on the list - has asked for a recommendation for a TR6 rear > tube shock conversion. > here's my recommendation: > > DON'T DO IT! > > why does he want to do this? > > Jack Mc > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trmarty at hotmail.com > From mmarr at notwires.com Fri Mar 18 18:17:10 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:17:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com><5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> <0a4e01cbe5c2$454c5e40$cfe51ac0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <5446099C9B5843DF8AB7AFAD0FDDFAB4@trigeni.com> > > Yes, but that happens because a drill bit is normally working from a > "center" at the tip. Grind one lip longer than the other, and the point > is > no longer in the middle of the drill (making it farther from the point to > one flute). Run that same drill bit through a pilot hole (so the tip of > the > bit no longer engages the work) and it won't cut oversize. Or at least > not > nearly as much. A properly sharpened drill bit does cut just a bit > oversize. > If the effective radius of the cutting edge of the reamer changes around the circumference, which it will do if the new cutting edges are ground by hand, it will force it to cut more on one side than the other, with a reactive force greater on that side than the other, thus deflecting the reamer enough to cut oversize. It doesn't need a point to make it walk - although I agree the effect is greater with a twist drill because the cutting edges are longer and there is more contact with the metal. However, I agree that in the case of hand reaming, the effect is not noticeable. Instead, I think you would just get a bad finish which, if you are going to secure the bushing with loctite, isn't really an issue as you point out. Mike From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 18 18:33:13 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:33:13 -0700 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <5446099C9B5843DF8AB7AFAD0FDDFAB4@trigeni.com> References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com><5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> <0a4e01cbe5c2$454c5e40$cfe51ac0$@rr.com> <5446099C9B5843DF8AB7AFAD0FDDFAB4@trigeni.com> Message-ID: <0a9701cbe5d5$9d59bd90$d80d38b0$@rr.com> > If the effective radius of the cutting edge of the reamer changes > around the > circumference, But we aren't changing the circumference, only the angle leading up to it. Anyway, the important part is that it does work. And Loctite will hide any sins like poor surface finish. -- Randall From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 18 19:07:42 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:07:42 -0400 Subject: [TR] Motor Oil Message-ID: FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded oil marketed as for flat tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP. Currently on sale for $4.95/qt. They list both conventional and semi-synthetic. Marty From GHaynesTR4 at aol.com Fri Mar 18 19:25:49 2011 From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com (GHaynesTR4 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Rear Shocks Message-ID: <34437.4dbdb882.3ab56e2d@aol.com> Thanks to several quick responders about my question of converting TR6 rear shocks to tubes. The overwhelming consensus is to retain the lever shocks, perhaps in upgraded form. This info will be forwarded to my friend, with thanks from both of us. George From pethier at comcast.net Fri Mar 18 19:27:49 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:27:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 In-Reply-To: <0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <24340366.2749987.1300501669970.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Grind the leading edge of adjacent two flutes blunt, and lightly blunt their peripheries. ? ?Cut all the other flutes sharp a bit shorter and don't disturb the peripheries. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Randall" > To: triumphs at autox.team.net, nafzigerg at yahoo.com > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:26:36 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 > > > My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make > the > > reamer cut oversize, > > That would actually be a very useful trick sometimes. ?If anyone > figures out > how to make a reamer cut larger by grinding metal away from it, please > let > me know! > > -- Randall > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation ?$11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From mmarr at notwires.com Fri Mar 18 19:40:40 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:40:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net><0a0501cbe5aa$c86d04e0$59470ea0$@rr.com><5D35B9D810274FB1A02D13D92B8494CD@trigeni.com> <0a4e01cbe5c2$454c5e40$cfe51ac0$@rr.com><5446099C9B5843DF8AB7AFAD0FDDFAB4@trigeni.com> <0a9701cbe5d5$9d59bd90$d80d38b0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <7D6C1CC6300E40898D511E616507F4F4@trigeni.com> >> If the effective radius of the cutting edge of the reamer changes >> around the >> circumference, > > But we aren't changing the circumference, only the angle leading up to it. > The cutting edge of the reamer flutes is at 45 degrees to the axis. If the cutting edges are cut by hand, the cutting edges will not all be the same length and the average radius of the frustum formed by the cutting edges, measured to the middle of the cutting edge, will be different for each flute. That is what I meant by "changing around the circumference". Its hard to explain in words - a sketch pad and a couple of beers would help this discussion come to an early conclusion, I would guess! Regards, Mike From rbtr3a at cox.net Fri Mar 18 20:19:08 2011 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (rbtr3a at cox.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 03:19:08 +0000 Subject: [TR] Reamers Message-ID: <1987747741-1300504735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214667310-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Wow at the hair splitting. Just taper the trailing edge of the reamer. The angle of a few degrees is all you need. The tool its self will do the work just fine. If you are anal about it coat the freshly reamed counter bore with loctite or glyptol. Press in the bushings. Here's the key. After the bushings are inserted. Chuck you new throttle shaft into a high speed drill. I use my lathe. Apply a few drops of cutting oil to the shaft and spin the shaft. It will seat the new shaft to the new bushing. Ronnie Babbitt Northrop Grumman Model Maker Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed From gprtech at frontiernet.net Sat Mar 19 05:42:46 2011 From: gprtech at frontiernet.net (George Richardson) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:42:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] Is flocking spray paint available anywhere? In-Reply-To: <1612178227.1434871.1300447953417.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1612178227.1434871.1300447953417.JavaMail.root@sz0012a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D84A4C6.4000900@frontiernet.net> FLocking kits are available at craft stores in a limited variety of colors, but tan and green are among them. The kit consists of what is essentially a very thick paint/ adhesive in the color you're applying, and the loose flocking material in the same color. You apply the adhesive, then sprinkle the flocking on it and shake off the excess. It's used for jewelry boxes. I've used it extensively myself, but never on my car. George Richardson On 3/18/2011 7:32 AM, pdqtr6 at comcast.net wrote: > I think the word he was looking for was "cubby" for "glove" box. Once again Winston was spot on!! > > > > Tom Walling > ----- Original Message ----- > > The TR2 has flocking in the door pockets and the glove box (can't remember > the British term). > > "Flocked door pockets" America and England united by a common language - in this > instance :) > > Jonmac > _______________________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/gprtech at frontiernet.net > From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 19 06:27:18 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:27:18 -0400 Subject: [TR] DOOR HANDLES INNER & OUTER TR250 AVAILABLE Message-ID: <8CDB45080D56D5F-2C48-4FE1@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> I have a set on the shelf from an Arizona TR250. no pits/no flaking its here or eBAY. Thanks! n197tr4 at cs.com From n197tr4 at cs.com Sat Mar 19 06:30:09 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:30:09 -0400 Subject: [TR] looking for tr3/tr4 header In-Reply-To: <8CDB44EDC559857-2C48-4D3A@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDB44EDC559857-2C48-4D3A@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CDB450E6FE0FBE-2C48-5080@webmail-d147.sysops.aol.com> preferably stainless steel used/new thanks n197tr4 at cs.com From dconnitt at fuse.net Sat Mar 19 06:33:49 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:33:49 -0400 Subject: [TR] (TR) Rear Shocks Message-ID: <7527997EA9CE48EC933CCEBD4DBE6D6D@DaveLaptop> List, One thing I noticed while restoring my TR4A IRS was that the lever arm shock actually limits the downward travel of the swing arm. I am not sure if everyone realizes this. The way I realized this was during my rear suspension assemlby, I had installed the spring first, then the half shaft. When I released the spring compressor on the rear spring, the half shaft locked up. Upon closer inspection, the universal joints were locked up due to the excessive angle of the half shaft. So, I installed the lever arm shock and the universal joints could now rotate smoothly. My point is anyone considering this conversion needs to figure out a way to limit the downward travel of the swing arm as part of the upgrade. I suspect that the damage people see after this upgrade is the bottoming out of the swing arm being absorbed by the upper cross member. I think the real danger is what is happening to the universal joints. If you go thru a deep enough pot hole or what ever, the damage could be significant. I think that anyone who has installed tube rear shocks should lift the rear of their car off the ground and try rotating the rear wheels. If you feel ANY resistance, don't drive the car until you figure out a way to limit that downward swing arm travel. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a From j.honor at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 07:14:51 2011 From: j.honor at comcast.net (Joe Honor) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:14:51 -0500 Subject: [TR] Rear Shocks In-Reply-To: <34437.4dbdb882.3ab56e2d@aol.com> References: <34437.4dbdb882.3ab56e2d@aol.com> Message-ID: <958B0BE4-719A-4AC2-B2E8-B3298F7F4779@comcast.net> George If Going with original lever shock I encourage contacting Peter Caldwell @ world wide auto parts,Madison wi who specializes in modifying & refurbishing of levers contact him/Peter at nosimport.com for info Regards Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:25 PM, GHaynesTR4 at aol.com wrote: > Thanks to several quick responders about my question of converting TR6 rear > shocks to tubes. The overwhelming consensus is to retain the lever > shocks, perhaps in upgraded form. This info will be forwarded to my friend, with > thanks from both of us. > George > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/j.honor at comcast.net > From mmarr at notwires.com Sat Mar 19 07:26:23 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 09:26:23 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: Spitfire hard top Message-ID: I was asked to forward this to the list, for those of you that might be interested. NFI on my part and I am not even sure how Dave got my name. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Porter To: mmarr at notwires.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: Spitfire hard top Hi Mike, I'm dave from over on Mark's Healey list. I sent this to the Triumph list yesterday, but don't see it in the archives today. Perhaps since I'm not officially on the Triumph list it was rejected?? Anyway, would you mind forwarding this link? It is probably just what some luck Spitfire owner has been looking for.. Thanks! Dave Hi folks, Dave from over on the Healey list. I rescued this pretty darn nice top from the crusher today. At first blush it looked like it would fit a Healey.. wrong. Anyway, its all aluminum. Weighs about 40lbs. Rear glass rear window. Small dent on top no bigger than a dime. A couple small cuts in the headliner. Looks like a good DIY'er could repair and repaint in a day. Make me a reasonable offer, I didn't get it for free. It came from the Unser warehouse in ABQ. NM and has been stored since early 60's. Here's the pixs: https://picasaweb.google.com/porterscustombicycles/2011_03_18# Shipping can be arranged, but I have no desire to crate it.. Dave frogeye at porterscustom.com Porter Customs 2909 Arno NE Albuquerque, NM USA 87107 505-352-1378 1954 BN2 1959 AN5 Porter Custom Bicycles cars: www.britishcarforum.com/portercustoms.html gallery: http://picasaweb.google.com/porterscustombicycles/PorterCustomBicyclesStuff GO HERE: http://porterbikes.com/ nice pictures-fun facts-my world From cliff_hansen at earthlink.net Sat Mar 19 12:00:45 2011 From: cliff_hansen at earthlink.net (Cliff Hansen) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:00:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 vs TR4A seat frames Message-ID: I?m about to send the seats to the upholsterer for recovering. Although I took the seats out of a TR4A, they currently have TR4 style coverings. They are both fixed back (not folding) seats. I haven?t looked at the frames. It may be that the previous owner(s) replaced the original seats with a pair from a TR4, or maybe they recovered the TR4A seats with TR4 style covering. I don?t know. Does anyone know if the TR4 and TR4A frames are the same? If they are different, are they different enough that it will be a problem to use TR4A coverings? Thanks, Cliff From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 19 12:32:40 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:32:40 -0700 Subject: [TR] Reamers In-Reply-To: <1987747741-1300504735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214667310-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <1987747741-1300504735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214667310-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <009401cbe66c$693ddef0$0301a8c0@randall> > Wow at the hair splitting. Sorry, Ronnie. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just wanted to understand the reamer sharpening issue in general. I think I've got it now, so I'll shut up. -- Randall From mmarr at notwires.com Sat Mar 19 12:45:11 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:45:11 -0500 Subject: [TR] Reamers References: <1987747741-1300504735-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-214667310-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <009401cbe66c$693ddef0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: >> Wow at the hair splitting. > > Sorry, Ronnie. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just wanted to > understand > the reamer sharpening issue in general. I think I've got it now, so I'll > shut up. > > -- Randall > And I apologize too for extending the conversation probably one round more than it needed to be. Mike (back to lurk mode) From agraham at execulink.com Sat Mar 19 13:36:05 2011 From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 16:36:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 Message-ID: <4D8513B5.5070703@execulink.com> Hello LIst: Looking at some finishing touches on my project and wondering what listers have used under the dzus fastener brackets. When I removed them, there was some form of petrified rubber underneath them. Do you have to try to 'shim' the brackets to contact the dzus fastener, or is about 1/4" of material enough to do the job? Thought of using layers of old inner-tube rubber - material on hand. Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 19 14:12:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:12:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <4D8513B5.5070703@execulink.com> References: <4D8513B5.5070703@execulink.com> Message-ID: <00b901cbe67a$52c71b10$0301a8c0@randall> > When I removed them, > there was some form of petrified rubber underneath them. I assume you are talking about the fasteners for the hood/bonnet, rather than the side curtains. They do usually need to be shimmed a bit, to get the hood to line up with the fenders. Solid (rather than corrugated) cardboard works OK if you give it a coat of paint to keep it dry. Or TRF sells reproductions of the original material (which had a funny pink/orange color to it). -- Randall From tfansher at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 14:15:06 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:15:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <4D8513B5.5070703@execulink.com> Message-ID: <476862963.2791404.1300569306908.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> THey are available from the usual sources. Red thick cardboard type material. You shim them up so that the hood aligns correctly with the front cowl. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Graham" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:36:05 PM Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 Hello LIst: Looking at some finishing touches on my project and wondering what listers have used under the dzus fastener brackets. When I removed them, there was some form of petrified rubber underneath them. Do you have to try to 'shim' the brackets to contact the dzus fastener, or is about 1/4" of material enough to do the job? Thought of using layers of old inner-tube rubber - material on hand. Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com Sat Mar 19 14:38:57 2011 From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:38:57 -0700 Subject: [TR] I have a bad feeling about this Message-ID: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> Hi Folks, I'm just getting the '67 4A going again after installing Herman's Toyota conversion and R.Good's Nissan rear end. There's no problems with these, and in fact it's really nice to run on the freeway with lower revs. It's the engine. It squirts oil from the dip stick opening. It never did that before. Opening the oil filter cap produces a lot of air. Opened the PVC valve and found water droplets beginning to form. I'm now wondering if when I pulled the engine that it suffered traumatic post partum distress from leaving the car and cracked the head? I don't seem to be losing any water. The PVC valve is brand new from "M". By the way how does it work? Does the intake suck, or the crankcase push air? Either way the valve doesn't seem to like opening. If you blow from the valve cover side it quickly opens then closes again. Sucking from the manifold side does nothing. How can I check if this PVC valve is good? What is the troubleshooting method for squirting oil? Johnnie From wbeech at flash.net Sat Mar 19 14:47:40 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:47:40 -0600 Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 In-Reply-To: <476862963.2791404.1300569306908.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4D8513B5.5070703@execulink.com> <476862963.2791404.1300569306908.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I just went to the local FLAPS and bought the heaviest gasket material they had, and use a double thickness of that. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of tfansher at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:15 PM To: Angelo Graham Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 THey are available from the usual sources. Red thick cardboard type material. You shim them up so that the hood aligns correctly with the front cowl. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angelo Graham" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:36:05 PM Subject: [TR] Hood dzus fastener brackets - TR2/3 Hello LIst: Looking at some finishing touches on my project and wondering what listers have used under the dzus fastener brackets. When I removed them, there was some form of petrified rubber underneath them. Do you have to try to 'shim' the brackets to contact the dzus fastener, or is about 1/4" of material enough to do the job? Thought of using layers of old inner-tube rubber - material on hand. Thanks in advance. Angelo Graham _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 19 15:18:03 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 15:18:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] I have a bad feeling about this In-Reply-To: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> References: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <00d001cbe683$844b9040$0301a8c0@randall> > If you blow from the valve cover side it > quickly opens then > closes again. Sucking from the manifold side does nothing. > How can I check > if this PVC valve is good? Sounds to me like you just did. It isn't. -- Randall From mark at bradakis.com Sat Mar 19 16:20:00 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:20:00 -0600 Subject: [TR] I have a bad feeling about this In-Reply-To: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> References: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4D853A20.5060203@bradakis.com> John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I'm just getting the '67 4A going again after installing Herman's Toyota > conversion and R.Good's Nissan rear end. There's no problems with these, and > in fact it's really nice to run on the freeway with lower revs. It's the > engine. It squirts oil from the dip stick opening. It never did that before. > > Your car is rejecting the non-Triumph donor organs. mjb. From keithstewart at execulink.com Tue Mar 15 15:50:46 2011 From: keithstewart at execulink.com (Keith Stewart) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:50:46 -0400 Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2011-03-15, at 3:00 PM, marty sukey wrote: > > I am looking for a picture of Fred's car by its self. A side view or a front/side view. Anybody have one? > > Thanks, > Marty > When Fred sent me some photos to illustrate that article on Powder Coating, he included: a photo of all his cars lined up on the street outside his home a side view of his Karman Ghia a side view of his Mustang #! a side view of his Mustang #2 a side view of his Thunderbird (hardtop on) a side view of his Thunderbird (hardtop off) a side view of Fred and his wife standing beside the TR3A with the hardtop on a side view of his Spitfire (the one he snagged from the young teacher) a side view of his Mailbox on the post (a side view of his Model T) a side view of his Model T Just let me know if you want any of these and I will scan them and send them along. Keith R. Stewart 75 Camden Road London, Ontario N5X 2K2 Home: (519) 660-1916 E-Mail: keithstewart at execulink.com From zoboherald at aol.com Sat Mar 19 18:45:11 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] FT's TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CDB4B795CCD664-1C28-207D5@web-mmc-d10.sysops.aol.com> Just a thought: a photo tribute page on either Team.Net or www.vtr.org might be a fitting remembrance of our friend? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: triumphs Sent: Sat, Mar 19, 2011 7:56 pm Subject: Re: [TR] FT's TR3When Fred sent me some photos to illustrate that article on Powder Coating, he included: a photo of all his cars lined up on the street outside his home a side view of his Karman Ghia a side view of his Mustang #! a side view of his Mustang #2 a side view of his Thunderbird (hardtop on) a side view of his Thunderbird (hardtop off) a side view of Fred and his wife standing beside the TR3A with the hardtop on a side view of his Spitfire (the one he snagged from the young teacher) a side view of his Mailbox on the post (a side view of his Model T) a side view of his Model T Just let me know if you want any of these and I will scan them and send them along. Keith R. Stewart From spamiam at comcast.net Sat Mar 19 18:58:12 2011 From: spamiam at comcast.net (spamiam at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:58:12 -0400 Subject: [TR] throttle shaft reaming In-Reply-To: References: <448710146.1212032.1300451624827.JavaMail.root@sz0135a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Well, I had thought the same thing. I used a slightly undersize reamer to account for this and for wobble when manually turning the reamer. I also put a slight bevel on the corner of the cutting flutes so there is no burr that may take off more metal than planned. It seemed to work OK, but I'd recommend working on a junk carb first to check out your success. Also, you can look for the source for the piloted reamer that is used by Joe Curto. -Tony -----Original Message----- From: Michael Marr Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 8:56 AM To: spamiam at comcast.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net ; nafzigerg at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 My concern with modifying the reamer by hand is that you could make the reamer cut oversize, which kind of negates the whole purpose of using the reamer in the first place. But this is just my opinion, which, when coupled with 99 cents, might buy you a bag of Peanut M&Ms which some people would say are by far the more valuable part of the duo! :) Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 7:33 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 5, Issue 96 > Gary, > > I had an easy time using a dremel cut-off wheel to make the back-cuts on > the flutes to get it to cut toward the shank. It was easy enough to do by > hand. I'm not sure I would shell out $80 to have it professionally done, > though I am sure the results are "better". If I were going to spend that > kind of cash, I would look into getting a real piloted ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1498/3516 - Release Date: 03/19/11 From terryrs at comcast.net Sun Mar 20 06:18:42 2011 From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Solenoid? In-Reply-To: <55414662.465931.1300626474758.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <459402905.466285.1300627122522.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Woke up the TR3A from it's winter nap. Started fine. Second time, though, I got the "click of the dead." Sometimes not even the click. Starter wouldn't turn over. Keying the ignition switch on sometimes gave power, sometimes gave much reduced power (as if there was a nearly complete short to ground)such that fuel pump didn't get enough juice. With the key on, the solenoid button gives the symptoms as pushing the starter button. So, am suspecting the solenoid or the switch. I have one of the expensive gear-reduction starters that's only a few years old. I use the solenoid under the hood as opposed to the one on the starter, though. ISTR that one can rewire to use the one on the starter. I'll try that and see if it fixes anything, assuming I can find in archives how it's done. Still and all, yesterday was about washing. Today is about polishing and waxing. Soon the ice will be off the driveway and I can get it out to the pavement! Spring happens once a year, it just takes two years for it to get here. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire From wbeech at flash.net Sun Mar 20 07:11:19 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:11:19 -0600 Subject: [TR] Solenoid? In-Reply-To: <459402905.466285.1300627122522.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <55414662.465931.1300626474758.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <459402905.466285.1300627122522.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: Terry, I had a very similar experience Saturday as well. Just installed my freshly re-built starter, it tried then quit on the first bump then nothing. Be sure to re-check the ground wire from the battery to the body as well as your battery post connections, that was my problem now it starts like a champ. Before you start re-wiring, run through all the connections with a test light from the battery to the starter. In my case the lights would not even burn so I knew it was more than just the starter. Good news is, of course, there is not much there to go wrong so it shouldn't take too long to pinpoint the problem. Good luck, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of terryrs at comcast.net Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:19 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Solenoid? Woke up the TR3A from it's winter nap. Started fine. Second time, though, I got the "click of the dead." Sometimes not even the click. Starter wouldn't turn over. Keying the ignition switch on sometimes gave power, sometimes gave much reduced power (as if there was a nearly complete short to ground)such that fuel pump didn't get enough juice. With the key on, the solenoid button gives the symptoms as pushing the starter button. So, am suspecting the solenoid or the switch. I have one of the expensive gear-reduction starters that's only a few years old. I use the solenoid under the hood as opposed to the one on the starter, though. ISTR that one can rewire to use the one on the starter. I'll try that and see if it fixes anything, assuming I can find in archives how it's done. Still and all, yesterday was about washing. Today is about polishing and waxing. Soon the ice will be off the driveway and I can get it out to the pavement! Spring happens once a year, it just takes two years for it to get here. Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 20 08:38:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:38:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] Solenoid? In-Reply-To: <459402905.466285.1300627122522.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <55414662.465931.1300626474758.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <459402905.466285.1300627122522.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <01c301cbe714$d466cc20$0301a8c0@randall> Sounds more like a bad connection to (or perhaps inside) the battery to me. The circuit to the starter (when you push the button on the solenoid) is separate from the ignition circuit, so otherwise it would take two separate faults to cause problems with both of them. When I was a kid, that kind of stuff would happen frequently as a result of corrosion inside the battery clamps. So my first step would be to pull the clamps off, and make sure that both the posts and the inside of the clamps were shiny with a few swipes of a battery post brush. http://www.harborfreight.com/battery-terminal-cleaner-94450.html -- Randall From jat1127 at hotmail.com Sun Mar 20 11:39:34 2011 From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (john taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:39:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] heavy Message-ID: Listers, I have been looking for a heavy steering problem with my power steering TR8 FHC for sometime. I have been doing it a step at a time. The pump was replaced. No change. I reduced the tension on the rack. No change. Then the rack started to leak. Oil was pouring out. So I swapped the rack. It is all back together and the result is the same. The steering "feels" heavy and does not return well. This car has been completely re-done all steering parts and springs bushing etc and driven perhaps 5000 miles. When the car is off is front wheels and the steering is worked the top of the struts and the top cup washer turn with the steering. If the car is on the ground the tops do not turn. Is this normal or are the top bearings not assembled correctly? My other car is in storage so I will not be able to compare there for another two weeks. Please folks do the tops of your struts turn? Please and ideas or comments? CHEERS John John Taylor Greenfield, Ma Gloucester, Ma USA. * ALWAYS BE SAFE * Life is not a race.....you do not want to finish first. From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com Sun Mar 20 14:24:19 2011 From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:24:19 -0700 Subject: [TR] I have a bad feeling about this In-Reply-To: References: <000601cbe67e$0d91ae30$28b50a90$@rr.com> Message-ID: <002601cbe745$2cc07080$86415180$@rr.com> Hi Dave, A bolt came loose holding the ring gear and decided to exit the case and take the fluid with it. It wasn't pretty. Didn't sound too good either. I bought a used rear end, but it was pretty noisy and I worried about long term use. So, Richard Good offered a limited slip Nissan conversion at about the same price as a rebuilt unit and I went for it. It went right in with no issues. http://www.goodparts.com/shop/index.php?categoryID=16 I've only put 15 miles on the car since converting because of the oil leak, so not sure yet about the rear end. The only comment I can make right now is, it's quiet. The Toyota conversion is wonderful. I've gotten the car on the test drives up to 75, and running around 3000 RPM is sweet. The hardest thing to get over is that the clutch and shifting feels different. Shorter & faster. After 40 years of shifting one way I have to re-learn a new one. Johnnie > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Connitt [mailto:dconnitt at fuse.net] > What is the advantage of the Nissan rear end? > I > have the standard 4-speed with no overdrive and am considering some > type of > "5th" gear myself. I have to finish the thing to the point that I can > drive > it first though... > Glad to hear the installation went OK. > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > I'm just getting the '67 4A going again after installing Herman's > Toyota > > conversion and R.Good's Nissan rear end. There's no problems with > these, > > and > > in fact it's really nice to run on the freeway with lower revs. It's > the > > engine. It squirts oil from the dip stick opening. It never did that > > before. From Dave1massey at cs.com Sun Mar 20 16:08:09 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:08:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] heavy Message-ID: <1d91f.8f4bf0.3ab7e2d9@cs.com> In a message dated 3/20/2011 2:00:47 PM Central Daylight Time, jat1127 at hotmail.com writes: > I have been looking for a heavy steering problem with my power steering > TR8 FHC for sometime. I have been doing it a step at a time. > The pump was replaced. No change. I reduced the tension on the rack. No > change. > Then the rack started to leak. Oil was pouring out. So I swapped the rack. > It is all back together and the result is the same. > The steering "feels" heavy and does not return well. This car has been > completely re-done all steering parts and springs bushing etc and driven > perhaps 5000 miles. > When the car is off is front wheels and the steering is worked the top of > the struts and the top cup washer turn with the steering. If the car is on > the ground the tops do not turn. Is this normal or are the top bearings not > assembled correctly? My other car is in storage so I will not be able to > compare there for another two weeks. > Please folks do the tops of your struts turn? > Please and ideas or comments? > The tops of the struts and cup washers should never turn. There is a thrust washer between the upper spring pan and the cone spacer. If the tops are turning the thrust washer isn't. There is also a seal for that thrust washer. If that was left out of damaged the lubricant may have washed away causing the thrust washer to sieze. BTW, Ted (TSI) has a set of nifty needle bearings for this application and although the TR8 with the power assist doesn't really need it, they do make a better alternative to the washer. Dave Massey 57 TR3 71 TR6 80 TR8 Member VTR, TWOA, SLTOA From arakelianp at mossmotors.com Mon Mar 21 10:45:28 2011 From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Arakelian, Peter) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:45:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. Would appreciate experience good and bad with them about coverage, claims, etc. Off-line would be fine, don't want to clog the site... Thanks, Peter From rawanderer at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 11:11:04 2011 From: rawanderer at comcast.net (Bob Wanderer) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:11:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> Message-ID: <662132300.1491765.1300731064226.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I'm considering changing too, so would also appreciate the pros and the cons as well as alternatives. Thanks, BobW Montgomeryville, Pa. (suburban Philadelphia) 1974 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Arakelian" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:45:28 PM Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. Would appreciate experience good and bad with them about coverage, claims, etc. Off-line would be fine, don't want to clog the site... Thanks, Peter _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rawanderer at comcast.net From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 21 11:57:36 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:57:36 -0700 Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance In-Reply-To: <662132300.1491765.1300731064226.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> <662132300.1491765.1300731064226.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I insure both my Spits through Condon & Skelly. There are certain things that they require but the rates are very reasonable. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Wanderer Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:11 AM To: Peter Arakelian Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Hagerty insurance I'm considering changing too, so would also appreciate the pros and the cons as well as alternatives. Thanks, BobW Montgomeryville, Pa. (suburban Philadelphia) 1974 TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Arakelian" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:45:28 PM Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. Would appreciate experience good and bad with them about coverage, claims, etc. Off-line would be fine, don't want to clog the site... Thanks, Peter _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rawanderer at comcast.net _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From rjoles at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 13:06:55 2011 From: rjoles at gmail.com (Randy Joles) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:06:55 -0400 Subject: [TR] FS Herald Windshields Message-ID: Hi All, I've got two brand new Herald/Sports6 windshields for sale. I no longer have the cars, so I've got to sell them. I'm asking $325 each, packaging is about $25 plus insurance and UPS shipping from 44060. As I recall, I paid about $400 each when I purchased them, so I'm taking a loss, but I'd rather see them used than just sit around here collecting dust. Please contact me at randyjjoles at gmail.com or phone me at (216)407-9234. Thanks, Randy Joles From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Mon Mar 21 13:34:08 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:34:08 -0400 Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance In-Reply-To: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> Message-ID: Peter, I've heard nothing but positive things about Haggerty and the few guys I know who have had claims were very pleased with their response and handling of the claim. Haggerty only does "agreed to value" which means both you and Haggerty agree on the value of your car. Other companies have "stated value" where you tell them what it's worth and then they can decide what they'll settle for. Make sure you get an "agreed to value" policy. Ask a LOT of questions about how you can use your car. When I was shopping I asked things like: can I drive the car to work....NO. Can we stop for lunch while out for a drive? Can we stop at the grocery store on the way home from a drive? Can we take the car away overnight to visit friends? etc. etc. Haggerty required one daily driver per licensed person in the house. My wife and are both retired and if we cut back to one car plus the TR6, Haggerty would drop the coverage. If you now have your cars and house under an umbrella policy, check with your insurance company to see if they require specific liability coverage. Haggerty was the only classic car company that met my primary companies requirements. After doing all of the above, I don't have a collector policy as I couldn't drive the car the way I want to drive my car......... Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Arakelian, Peter Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:45 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. Would appreciate experience good and bad with them about coverage, claims, etc. Off-line would be fine, don't want to clog the site... Thanks, Peter From guy at genfiniti.com Mon Mar 21 14:20:36 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:20:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Install Wiper Motor Bushings Message-ID: All, Any tips for installing the three cylindrical rubber bushings into the wiper motor mount? Their diameter is much larger than the hole, and I'm having a hard time imagining them fitting through. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From j.honor at comcast.net Mon Mar 21 15:07:50 2011 From: j.honor at comcast.net (Joe Honor) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:07:50 -0500 Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance In-Reply-To: References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> Message-ID: <081D8B46-B98F-49BB-9BB1-1DB4D4B193FF@comcast.net> Peter I initially hagerty was easy but as we discussed "agreed to price" they weren't agreeing to my valuation of e-type jag I remained with state farm for higher appraised/insured value for about the same fees Regards Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, "Bob Danielson" <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote: > Peter, > I've heard nothing but positive things about Haggerty and the few guys I know who have had claims were very pleased with their response and handling of the claim. > > Haggerty only does "agreed to value" which means both you and Haggerty agree on the value of your car. Other companies have "stated value" where you tell them what it's worth and then they can decide what they'll settle for. Make sure you get an "agreed to value" policy. > > Ask a LOT of questions about how you can use your car. When I was shopping I asked things like: can I drive the car to work....NO. Can we stop for lunch while out for a drive? Can we stop at the grocery store on the way home from a drive? Can we take the car away overnight to visit friends? etc. etc. > > Haggerty required one daily driver per licensed person in the house. My wife and are both retired and if we cut back to one car plus the TR6, Haggerty would drop the coverage. > > If you now have your cars and house under an umbrella policy, check with your insurance company to see if they require specific liability coverage. Haggerty was the only classic car company that met my primary companies requirements. > > After doing all of the above, I don't have a collector policy as I couldn't drive the car the way I want to drive my car......... > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Arakelian, Peter > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 1:45 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] Hagerty insurance > > I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. > > Would appreciate experience good and bad with them about coverage, > claims, etc. > > Off-line would be fine, don't want to clog the site... > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/j.honor at comcast.net > From arakelianp at mossmotors.com Mon Mar 21 16:02:36 2011 From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Arakelian, Peter) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:02:36 -0700 Subject: [TR] hagerty insurance Message-ID: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD64846@kb1.mossmotors.com> My thanks to all who responded about how they do... It seems that those who have used them are very satisfied. However, Bob Danielson, raised some interesting questions for me to ask. I did and found as he did, they would not work for me. They don't want you to drive your car to work ever except "once in a blue moon." Also they require a separate vehicle, not the collector car, for every licensed driver in a household. These restrictions won't work for me - I'll stick with AAA. Again, thanks to all... Peter Arakelian - 1971 TR6 From fmags at cox.net Mon Mar 21 16:13:38 2011 From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:13:38 -0500 Subject: [TR] Hagerty Insurance Message-ID: I am considering changing to Hagerty for my insurance. Be careful and read the fine print. Many of these companies have exclusions in them like if you go to the store to run a quick errand and the car gets stolen you are not covered. I don't recall if Haggerty had this but one company I checked with a few years ago did. I'm with American Collectors Ins Co and am very happy with them. Frank From wbeech at flash.net Mon Mar 21 17:06:48 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:06:48 -0600 Subject: [TR] Install Wiper Motor Bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80C15F14CB564F8DAC9870435C6C7341@bboffice> WD40 and patience. I think I used a small flat screwdriver that was worn so it would not cut into the rubber to work the grommet-like bushings into place. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G.D. Huggins Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 3:21 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net; RedRiverTriumph at yahoogroups.com Subject: [TR] Install Wiper Motor Bushings All, Any tips for installing the three cylindrical rubber bushings into the wiper motor mount? Their diameter is much larger than the hole, and I'm having a hard time imagining them fitting through. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Mon Mar 21 17:40:33 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] carb link rod assembly parts Message-ID: <98496.33424.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> List, I'm starting on the carb overhaul and wondering if there is a source smaller parts for the link rod assembly's. I'm not sure what you call them but they're the little balls that are attached to the rod which insert into another rod. They look to be threaded and removable so I'm wondering if there is a source. Several of these balls are severely worn but the rods look very usable. Just wondering. gary n. From yellowtr at adelphia.net Tue Mar 22 05:01:50 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:01:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] carb link rod assembly parts In-Reply-To: <98496.33424.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <98496.33424.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201103220801.51121.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Monday, March 21, 2011 08:40:33 pm Gary Nafziger wrote: > List, > I'm starting on the carb overhaul and wondering if there is a source > smaller parts for the link rod assembly's. I'm not sure what you call > them but they're the little balls that are attached to the rod which > insert into another rod. They look to be threaded and removable so I'm > wondering if there is a source. Several of these balls are severely worn > but the rods look very usable. Just wondering. > gary n. > > Gary, TRF sells the whole assemblies. The short one and long one. The come complete. All you have to do is screw them into the throttle shaft and the gizmo on the manifold. They are not too expensive and I believe the quality is better than oem. I have them on my 3 and 4. Bob From trglory at verizon.net Tue Mar 22 06:10:35 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:10:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Insurance In-Reply-To: <081D8B46-B98F-49BB-9BB1-1DB4D4B193FF@comcast.net> References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com> <081D8B46-B98F-49BB-9BB1-1DB4D4B193FF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <003e01cbe892$892b32d0$9b819870$@net> Angela Anthony (800-594-5230) is the VTR vehicle insurance coordinator. If you are a member, you may want to check with her. Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Honor Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:08 PM To: Bob Danielson Cc: ; Arakelian, Peter Subject: Re: [TR] Hagerty insurance Peter I initially hagerty was easy but as we discussed "agreed to price" they weren't agreeing to my valuation of e-type jag I remained with state farm for higher appraised/insured value for about the same fees Regards Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Mar 22 06:55:13 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Insurance In-Reply-To: <003e01cbe892$892b32d0$9b819870$@net> References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com><081D8B46-B98F-49BB-9BB1-1DB4D4B193FF@comcast.net> <003e01cbe892$892b32d0$9b819870$@net> Message-ID: <8CDB6AFE63FB74B-AD0-9C3A@webmail-m027.sysops.aol.com> I second that recommendation! Fortunately, I never had to make any claims while insured that way, but the price was very fair and coverage was great! (For the last several years, the Herald has been a true daily driver, so I could no longer continue the "collector" insurance coverage.) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Joe Laurito To: 'Joe Honor' ; 'Bob Danielson' <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: triumphs ; 'Arakelian, Peter' Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:38 am Subject: [TR] Insurance Angela Anthony (800-594-5230) is the VTR vehicle insurance coordinator. If you are a member, you may want to check with her. From rbtr3a at cox.net Tue Mar 22 07:35:01 2011 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (rbtr3a at cox.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:35:01 +0000 Subject: [TR] Insurance In-Reply-To: <003e01cbe892$892b32d0$9b819870$@net> References: <42329DF34840DB4E9785C8DF24C8A97F0CD6483E@kb1.mossmotors.com><081D8B46-B98F-49BB-9BB1-1DB4D4B193FF@comcast.net><003e01cbe892$892b32d0$9b819870$@net> Message-ID: <1687482719-1300804478-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-258776414-@bda2541.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Angela has been great. She has personally sent me reminders to renew. She has found other providers. Plus she owns and drives a Triumph. He's has often attended our SEVTR as a participant Ronnie Sent from my BlackBerry? smartphone with SprintSpeed -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Laurito" Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:10:35 To: 'Joe Honor'; 'Bob Danielson'<75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: ; 'Arakelian, Peter' Subject: [TR] Insurance Angela Anthony (800-594-5230) is the VTR vehicle insurance coordinator. If you are a member, you may want to check with her. Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Honor Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 6:08 PM To: Bob Danielson Cc: ; Arakelian, Peter Subject: Re: [TR] Hagerty insurance Peter I initially hagerty was easy but as we discussed "agreed to price" they weren't agreeing to my valuation of e-type jag I remained with state farm for higher appraised/insured value for about the same fees Regards Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rbtr3a at cox.net From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 22 10:08:36 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 17:08:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <94DC96C4-24FB-48EB-8FD9-828DB847F55F@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <1841628460.2921235.1300813716476.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Just send an email to Triumphs at autox.team.net If you are not subscribed at the adress you are using, the list will send you instructions for how to subscribe. Obviously, you are subscribed at adcronin at ameritech.net or I would not have gotten this. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From jmerone at rocketmail.com Tue Mar 22 11:25:10 2011 From: jmerone at rocketmail.com (Joe Merone) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Hagerty Insurance Message-ID: <869420.28770.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If you're really interested in Hagerty Insurance, I'd check withe them again about?that "requirement" of having one registered car (not the collector car) per driver in the household.? I don't.? When I signed up with them, we went round and round a bit on this, but after explaining that my wife and I use a solid combination of car-pooling and?public?transportation?I was ok'd.? ? They also know that the TR6 is used as an occasional vehicle in a "non-classic" way. ? I'm very pleased with their service.? ??? ? Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed? From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Tue Mar 22 13:29:19 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:29:19 -0400 Subject: [TR] Hagerty Insurance In-Reply-To: <869420.28770.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <869420.28770.qm@web30908.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Maybe I'll have to take up the one car argument again! However.............. they probably won't like me taking it the golf course. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Joe Merone Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 2:25 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Hagerty Insurance If you're really interested in Hagerty Insurance, I'd check withe them again about that "requirement" of having one registered car (not the collector car) per driver in the household. I don't. When I signed up with them, we went round and round a bit on this, but after explaining that my wife and I use a solid combination of car-pooling and public transportation I was ok'd. They also know that the TR6 is used as an occasional vehicle in a "non-classic" way. I'm very pleased with their service. Joe Merone South Burlington, VT CF18928 5-speed _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 14:09:41 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:09:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] carb link rod assembly parts In-Reply-To: <98496.33424.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <98496.33424.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Gary Nafziger wrote: > Several of these balls are severely worn but the rods look very usable. > Just wondering. Mine had ovalled to the point where they would sometimes pop out -- by rotating them 90 degrees (had to add a little washer to get them to tighten at that position) the problem has never recurred. Geo From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 14:13:35 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:13:35 -0700 Subject: [TR] Lucas Parts Book Message-ID: Couldn't recall if this (or another online source) had been posted already, but here is a copy of a rather comprehensive Lucas Parts book: http://www.rroc.org.au/wiki/images/7/7b/LUCASEquipment19481962Cars.pdf Probably easier to use once printed out (68 pp). Geo From tbe749 at aol.com Tue Mar 22 15:02:26 2011 From: tbe749 at aol.com (Tom) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:02:26 -0400 Subject: [TR] Fwd: Lucas Parts Bookt References: Message-ID: <57DF781E-166A-4587-ADB3-49DA19DA1425@aol.com> Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Geo Hahn > Date: March 22, 2011 5:13:35 PM EDT > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Lucas Parts Book > > Couldn't recall if this (or another online source) had been posted already, > but here is a copy of a rather comprehensive Lucas Parts book: > > http://www.rroc.org.au/wiki/images/7/7b/LUCASEquipment19481962Cars.pdf > > Probably easier to use once printed out (68 pp). > > Geo > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749 at aol.com > From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Tue Mar 22 15:30:21 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:30:21 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR4A PCV Valve Message-ID: <2B12A53BC2F34F4A8ACF882C447C87F5@userb38463fba5> List, have any of you replaced the original style TR4A PCV Valve with an in line valve? If you have done so please provide me with a reference or application that you used. Also, I have added the TR3 / TR4 block breather pipe to the lower left side of my engine. Will doing so negate the PCV Valve function? For years I've run with a breather cap as well as the block breather and the manifold port blocked off. I'm installing an aluminum valve cover now with a breather tube and no breather cap as well as converting to a TR6 power brake dual braking system. I'll be using the intake manifold vacuum port for the booster and a T for the PCV system. Installation will be neater if I can avoid using the original TR4A PCV valve. Anybody been there and done that out there? Thanks, JVV From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Mar 22 17:13:37 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6/ TR4A Carrera shocks Message-ID: In case there might be any interest, I have a nice set of Carrera front shocks on ebay. P/N 3336 Marty From guy at genfiniti.com Tue Mar 22 17:22:42 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:22:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Turn Signal Switch Orientation Message-ID: Listers, My turn signal and light switches have a purposed bend in the stalks. I am assuming those bends orient toward the driver to make them easier to reach. Is this correct? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From FordneyNJ at aol.com Tue Mar 22 20:53:53 2011 From: FordneyNJ at aol.com (FordneyNJ at aol.com) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Hagerty Insurance Message-ID: ------------------------------ Message: 12 Angela has been great. She has personally sent me reminders to renew. She has found other providers. Plus she owns and drives a Triumph. He's has often attended our SEVTR as a participant Ronnie Angela Anthony (800-594-5230) is the VTR vehicle insurance coordinator. If you are a member, you may want to check with her. Joe Laurito Peter, I would also recommend Angela. She is a member of our club and has spoken at our meetings about many factors with classic car insurance. She writes for many companies depending on your needs and you don't have to be a VTR member to contact her. Rodney Ford, President Positive Earth Drivers Club TR4A IRS TR7 Spider From david.brister at wanadoo.fr Wed Mar 23 03:24:10 2011 From: david.brister at wanadoo.fr (David Brister) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:24:10 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR4A PCV Valve In-Reply-To: <2B12A53BC2F34F4A8ACF882C447C87F5@userb38463fba5> References: <2B12A53BC2F34F4A8ACF882C447C87F5@userb38463fba5> Message-ID: Jerry, My TR4A developed a serious leak from the crankshaft rear seal last year. Expert advice from the usual gurus suggested that as the engine became a bit more worn (in my case around the 60,000 mile mark) the crankcase would be getting pressurised from blowback past the piston rings. It was suggested that for starters I fitted the old TR3 or 4. breather pipe to the crankcase. This I did, not without difficulty, and the leak was reduced to negligible amounts. I left the old PVC stuff in place to keep the correct look on top of the rocker cover. I don't think it makes any difference now to the pressure in the c/case. I don't know about the emission regulations where you live but here in France I don't think they exist for cars of the 60's! HTH, David Brister 1967 TR4A CTC 77785 O From sbracing at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 23 11:40:32 2011 From: sbracing at sbcglobal.net (Steven Benford Jr) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 11:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] [Fot] Motor Oil In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Lucas Oil Products had a new racing only?motor with claims of being high zinc forified. http://www.lucasoil.com/products/display_products.sd?iid=276&catid=21&loc=show&headTitle= - Lucas High Performance Racing Only Motor Oil ? There is also a break-in oil with the same claims. ? Thumbs Up - Steve --- On Fri, 3/18/11, marty sukey wrote: From: marty sukey Subject: [Fot] Motor Oil To: "FOT" , "Triumph List" Date: Friday, March 18, 2011, 9:07 PM FWIW I see Summit Racing now has a Summit branded? oil? marketed as for flat tappet engines, It has 1,800ppm of ZDDP.? Currently on sale for $4.95/qt. They list both conventional and semi-synthetic. Marty _______________________________________________ fot at autox.team.net http://www.fot-racing.com Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/sbracing at sbcglobal.net From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 14:05:25 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:05:25 -0400 Subject: [TR] [Fot] Motor Oil In-Reply-To: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <68603.59165.qm@web80702.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A good friend of mine just helped me rebuild my engine. I'll be starting it for the first time this weekend. he gave me 2 bottles of this ZDDP stuff for the first run and a bottle for the first oil change - then I'm on my own to procure it. http://www.mossmotors.com/Shop/ViewProducts.aspx?PlateIndexID=65939&SortOrder=1 Chris PS I hope the motor runs as good as it looks! From guy at genfiniti.com Thu Mar 24 07:03:23 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:03:23 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Body Side Molding Install Message-ID: Listers, Hoping to install the body side molding strips along the front fenders and doors today. I purchased the kit from TRF some years ago, and it looks like I basically install the rivet clips through the pre-existing holes, then snap the molding over these. I know one of the clips on the door is the special barrel clip. Can anyone offer any advice on the best way to proceed? Is this as simple as I believe it to be, or is there some hidden danger lurking? How is the barrel clip different from the others? What makes it functionally different than the others? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From darrellw at ipns.com Thu Mar 24 07:37:50 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:37:50 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Body Side Molding Install In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E994404-D925-48CE-8252-8ADF3A01A33E@ipns.com> Hi Guy, It has been a while since in installed mine, but I don't recall any special problems, it just snaps on. The special clip is the last one on the door, it goes where the trim is tapering down, and too narrow for the regular clips. -Darrell On Mar 24, 2011, at 7:03 AM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > Listers, > > Hoping to install the body side molding strips along the front fenders and doors today. > I purchased the kit from TRF some years ago, and it looks like I basically install the rivet clips through the pre-existing holes, then snap the molding over these. > I know one of the clips on the door is the special barrel clip. > > Can anyone offer any advice on the best way to proceed? Is this as simple as I believe it to be, or is there some hidden danger lurking? > How is the barrel clip different from the others? What makes it functionally different than the others? > > > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw at ipns.com > From anabil007 at comcast.net Thu Mar 24 12:08:24 2011 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:08:24 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 Door Seal Message-ID: Hi folks, Getting ready to replace the door seal (Moss Part # 249-607 and 680-485) on "Rosey" 1970 TR6. Any suggestions ? Glue? Possible ways to screw it up ? Short cuts? Thanks for your time ... -- "Thinking is the hardest work there is. That's why so few people undertake it." - Henry Ford Bill Pugh anabil007 at comcast.net Wallace, CA From dkspence at telus.net Thu Mar 24 12:53:24 2011 From: dkspence at telus.net (Don Spence) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:53:24 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Body Side Molding Install Message-ID: <32F652F4-2DC0-431F-9180-72480AB95CF9@telus.net> Hi Guy I recently did this and it is easy using the pop rivets. From my experience, be careful with the rivet gun as it can "jump and scratch or chip your fresh paint when the rivet snaps. (Don't ask me how I know. I'd suggest using a piece of felt with a small cutout to "surrond " the rivet/clip , just in case. Think of it as a donut with the clip/rivet in the hole. Good luck Don From trmarty at hotmail.com Fri Mar 25 06:24:57 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:24:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings Message-ID: Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? Thanks, Marty From emanteno at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 07:07:20 2011 From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:07:20 -0500 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:24 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, > for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? > "arthur lipp" , From j.honor at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 07:16:02 2011 From: j.honor at comcast.net (Joe Honor) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:16:02 -0500 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3883BF84-7AC5-47C7-B737-E0C13C728E2E@comcast.net> I recommend Arthur Lipp have his bushing kit on my TR6 suberb simplicity Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:24 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/j.honor at comcast.net > From j.honor at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 07:17:16 2011 From: j.honor at comcast.net (Joe Honor) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:17:16 -0500 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C12B88E-D5C5-4CCE-81F0-19FAFD70C24B@comcast.net> Here's art lipp's email lipp04 at yahoo.com Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:24 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/j.honor at comcast.net > From bkahler1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 08:24:13 2011 From: bkahler1 at gmail.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:24:13 -0400 Subject: [TR] [Fot] Pain.head gaskets In-Reply-To: <4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4d8b7b67.6202e70a.2005.426cSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Gotta love the iPhone and its spell checker. Although considering the "pain" I had to go through to get a "Payen" head gasket I guess it was appropriate! Tony, Thanks for the info! I called BPNorthwest and they still had the individual head gaskets in stock so I ordered a few. They were out of the head gasket kits but the misc parts can be sourced separately. All, Thanks to all for your replies. It looks like the Payen gasket kits are definitely unavailable but it seems some places still have the individual head gaskets. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Tony Drews wrote: > Brad, I just got 3 of them from British Parts Northwest... > www.bpnorthwest.com > > - Tony > > At 08:28 AM 3/24/2011, you wrote: > >> I just tried go order a payen head gasket for my TR4 and was informed that >> payen has stopped producing them. Anyone know of a suitable replacement >> for >> the stock type head gasket? >> >> Brad >> _______________________________________________ >> fot at autox.team.net >> >> http://www.fot-racing.com >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/fot/tony at tonydrews.com >> > > > From 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Fri Mar 25 09:29:33 2011 From: 75TR6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:29:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings In-Reply-To: <6C12B88E-D5C5-4CCE-81F0-19FAFD70C24B@comcast.net> References: <6C12B88E-D5C5-4CCE-81F0-19FAFD70C24B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5953EFEC43734A84A0CC44E8B36E310B@laptopPC> And here's how they install http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AcceleratorShaft.htm Bob Bob Danielson 1975 TR6 running with Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org -----Original Message----- From: Joe Honor Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 10:17 AM To: marty sukey Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings Here's art lipp's email lipp04 at yahoo.com Joe Joe Honor / Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:24 AM, marty sukey wrote: > > Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, > for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? > > Thanks, > Marty > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/j.honor at comcast.net > _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From yellowtr at adelphia.net Fri Mar 25 13:14:22 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:14:22 -0400 Subject: [TR] accelerator shaft bushings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201103251614.22975.yellowtr@adelphia.net> On Friday, March 25, 2011 09:24:57 am marty sukey wrote: > Was there somebody on the list who was making accelerator shaft bushings, > for where the shafts go through the bulkhead? > > Thanks, > Marty Marty, There is for the TR6. Art Lipp. Go to Bob Danielson's 6 web page for more info. It took me about 5 minutes to install the bushings. Bob From mike at newharts.com Fri Mar 25 13:45:56 2011 From: mike at newharts.com (Mike Newhart) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:45:56 -0400 Subject: [TR] Tr3A rear axle removal Message-ID: How does the rear axle on a TR3a come out of the car? I assume I'll have to take the back plates off. Is the diff. too big just to slide sideways? Though I would come up with a plan before I start wrassling it. Thanks Mike Newhart From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Mar 25 14:40:52 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 14:40:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Tr3A rear axle removal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <073701cbeb35$561b12c0$02513840$@rr.com> As I recall, the book method is to slide it one way until the tube drops below the frame, then slide it the other way until the second tube clears. Anyway, that was the way I did it. -- Randall From TR250Driver at aol.com Fri Mar 25 16:03:04 2011 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops Message-ID: <7e83e.1ed3f667.3abe7928@aol.com> Hey Guys, No doubt that early TR6's had white snaps on the tops and body of the cars at least thru 1971. What say the List on 250's? I have to go with a new top on my 250 since the rebuild stretched the whole body a bit too far for the old top and Tonneau. What about the Tonneau? I would say black snaps but heck who am I to decide. Yikes, Darrell From rawanderer at comcast.net Fri Mar 25 16:37:52 2011 From: rawanderer at comcast.net (Bob Wanderer) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 19:37:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] Insurance In-Reply-To: <073701cbeb35$561b12c0$02513840$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20110325233736.2735E187650@autox.team.net> Thanks for all the information regarding vintage car insurance. Looks like I will have to contact the various sources. I rarely drive my Triumph to work; however, during the driving season, I drive about 200 miles over the weekend and do at least one week-long road trip of about 1,000 miles. In the past three years, I have put on about 18,000 miles. Regards, BobW Montgomeryville, Pa. (suburban Philadelphia) 1974 Pimento TR6 From thenicholls at verizon.net Fri Mar 25 20:32:53 2011 From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:32:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops Message-ID: <311104017.1076915.1301110373473.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> Darrell, I hear what you are saying. I have the original soft top on my 72 TR6, but it is built like a 71. It has the white, plastic snaps (that are now grey and breaking on a regular basis). I have a set of white plastic snaps that I have purchased from TRF. However, after dropping over $600 for their top of the line replacment top, until someone makes metal snaps in white, I am going to install the black metal snaps. I don't like it, and wish there was another way. If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. Good luck, Craig 1972 Triumph TR6 Mar 25, 2011 07:42:57 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote: Hey Guys, No doubt that early TR6's had white snaps on the tops and body of the cars at least thru 1971. What say the List on 250's? I have to go with a new top on my 250 since the rebuild stretched the whole body a bit too far for the old top and Tonneau. What about the Tonneau? I would say black snaps but heck who am I to decide. Yikes, Darrell _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/thenicholls at verizon.net From tbe749 at aol.com Sat Mar 26 03:27:52 2011 From: tbe749 at aol.com (Tom) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 06:27:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops In-Reply-To: <7e83e.1ed3f667.3abe7928@aol.com> References: <7e83e.1ed3f667.3abe7928@aol.com> Message-ID: Darrell My vote = black plastic snaps and studs Tom Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:03 PM, TR250Driver at aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys, > No doubt that early TR6's had white snaps on the tops and body of the cars > at least thru 1971. What say the List on 250's? I have to go with a new > top on my 250 since the rebuild stretched the whole body a bit too far for > the old top and Tonneau. What about the Tonneau? I would say black snaps > but heck who am I to decide. > Yikes, > Darrell > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tbe749 at aol.com > From fishplate at charter.net Sat Mar 26 11:28:33 2011 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:28:33 -0400 Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops In-Reply-To: <311104017.1076915.1301110373473.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> References: <311104017.1076915.1301110373473.JavaMail.root@vznit170064> Message-ID: <4D8E3051.4080002@charter.net> On 3/25/2011 11:32 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. > Can you get the black metal ones powder coated in white? From thenicholls at verizon.net Sat Mar 26 14:40:06 2011 From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:40:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops Message-ID: <548266687.1154563.1301175606100.JavaMail.root@vznit170134> I like it when the list is so smart, great idea. Will look into it.......Craig Mar 26, 2011 02:28:33 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote: On 3/25/2011 11:32 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. > Can you get the black metal ones powder coated in white? From wbeech at flash.net Sat Mar 26 15:54:00 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 16:54:00 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question Message-ID: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> There is a rear seat kit on eBay for a TR3, the seller is giving a Moss part number of 802-825. This doesn't show up anywhere on the Moss US or UK web site. Might anyone know what commission range this fits. The seller does not know. Thanks, Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 26 17:18:22 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:18:22 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question In-Reply-To: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> References: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> Message-ID: <0ceb01cbec14$7bef1c00$0301a8c0@randall> I found a listing for that part number on EnglishParts.com. Appears to be the bracket that supports the rear seat, and I'm guessing that it's Stanpart 702091 listed for TR3 only (TS8637 to TS22013). http://www.englishparts.com/products/BRACKET--EARLY-REAR-SEAT/15446/802-825. html -- Randall From tr6parts at charter.net Sat Mar 26 18:22:02 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (tr6parts at charter.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:22:02 -0700 Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops In-Reply-To: <548266687.1154563.1301175606100.JavaMail.root@vznit170134> Message-ID: <20110326212202.2Z10R.14380259.root@mp06> The Roadster Factory sells white snaps. I had a couple of original tr6 shadow blue boot covers with white snaps on them. Al ---- thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > I like it when the list is so smart, great idea. Will look into it.......Craig > > > Mar 26, 2011 02:28:33 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote: > > On 3/25/2011 11:32 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > > If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. > > > > Can you get the black metal ones powder coated in white? > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6parts at charter.net > From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 19:17:11 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:17:11 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question In-Reply-To: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> References: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > There is a rear seat kit on eBay for a TR3... Might anyone know what > commission range this fits. That rear seat has the curved front edge... some had a straight front edge with more squared corners. My TS47905 has a curved front edge though I cannot say whether that is correct. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqR,!j!E1NPEVRk1BNhW0c647Q~~_12.JPG Also -- my brackets are simpler than those -- again, can't swear they are original but suspect they are. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!lwE2FT5o3qGBNhW1F,cUQ~~_12.JPG Geo From thenicholls at verizon.net Sat Mar 26 20:01:04 2011 From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:01:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] [6pack] White Snaps on TR250 Tops Message-ID: <2081384948.1194052.1301194864335.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> Plastic, have those...........Craig Mar 26, 2011 09:56:03 PM, forzion7 at gmail.com wrote: Is this the TRF item you need, RFK1513 ?? http://trf.zeni.net/TR6-250GC/247.php Dave On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 9:22 PM, wrote: The Roadster Factory sells white snaps. I had a couple of original tr6 shadow blue boot covers with white snaps on them. Al ---- thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > I like it when the list is so smart, great idea. Will look into it.......Craig > > > Mar 26, 2011 02:28:33 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote: > > On 3/25/2011 11:32 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > > If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. > > > > Can you get the black metal ones powder coated in white? > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6parts at charter.net _______________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/forzion7 at gmail.com From thenicholls at verizon.net Sat Mar 26 20:01:52 2011 From: thenicholls at verizon.net (thenicholls at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:01:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] White Snaps on TR250 Tops Message-ID: <602101606.1194082.1301194912625.JavaMail.root@vznit170070> Plastic, have those............Craig Mar 26, 2011 09:22:05 PM, tr6parts at charter.net wrote: The Roadster Factory sells white snaps. I had a couple of original tr6 shadow blue boot covers with white snaps on them. Al ---- thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > I like it when the list is so smart, great idea. Will look into it.......Craig > > > Mar 26, 2011 02:28:33 PM, fishplate at charter.net wrote: > > On 3/25/2011 11:32 PM, thenicholls at verizon.net wrote: > > If someone on the list knows that you can get white metal snaps, let me know. I would purchase a set in a minute. > > > > Can you get the black metal ones powder coated in white? > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6parts at charter.net > From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 26 20:39:18 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:39:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question In-Reply-To: References: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> Message-ID: <0d2d01cbec30$8db89260$0301a8c0@randall> > Also -- my brackets are simpler than those -- again, can't > swear they are > original but suspect they are. > > http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!lwE2FT5o3qGBNhW1F,cUQ~~_12.JPG Yup, there were several different brackets and seats. Those look like the early ones to me (with the separate seat back rather than padding built into the rear cockpit board. The extra length of bracket sticks up for the seat back. The bracket doesn't show in this shot, but you can see the separate panel for the seat back: http://trf.zeni.net/miniTR2TR3/44.php -- Randall From tr3 at roadrunner.com Sat Mar 26 20:45:54 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 20:45:54 -0700 Subject: [TR] Tow bar for TR3 Message-ID: <3E4C4E16-B132-4775-9BBC-2CD9098CBEA0@roadrunner.com> Does anybody have any suggestions for, or have had experience with, a highway-worthy tow bar to pull my TR3A ? From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Mar 27 00:28:48 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:28:48 -0700 Subject: [TR] Tow bar for TR3 In-Reply-To: <3E4C4E16-B132-4775-9BBC-2CD9098CBEA0@roadrunner.com> References: <3E4C4E16-B132-4775-9BBC-2CD9098CBEA0@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <0d5001cbec50$9d15c6e0$0301a8c0@randall> > Does anybody have any suggestions for, or have had experience > with, a > highway-worthy tow bar to pull my TR3A ? I tried it once, never again. The frame extensions flexed so much that it literally buckled the sheet metal in the front apron. Get a tow dolly at least, better yet a trailer. If you do tow with the rear wheels on the ground, be sure to disconnect the driveshaft if you are going very far or very fast. There is a bearing in the gearbox that doesn't get lubed properly when the engine is not running. -- Randall From macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 27 03:57:00 2011 From: macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:57:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [TR] Top snaps on 250 and 6 Message-ID: <575643.89916.qm@web28310.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> I had three TR6's in 69, 70 and 71. One (the '70) was a cancelled US spec order. All were brand new, factory fresh and all had black plastic snaps on black tops. Almost all the snaps broke (as usual) in the first year and I replaced them with metal ones. The TR250 had black snaps unless the top or tonneau was white. Jonmac From trglory at verizon.net Sun Mar 27 06:17:23 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:17:23 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question In-Reply-To: References: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> Message-ID: <001801cbec81$4fc99b60$ef5cd220$@net> The seat cover is for a TR3a with a sloped rear floor; the irons are for a TR3. They are not compatible. Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17 PM To: wbeech at flash.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > There is a rear seat kit on eBay for a TR3... Might anyone know what > commission range this fits. That rear seat has the curved front edge... some had a straight front edge with more squared corners. My TS47905 has a curved front edge though I cannot say whether that is correct. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqR,!j!E1NPEVRk1BNhW0c647Q~~_12.JPG Also -- my brackets are simpler than those -- again, can't swear they are original but suspect they are. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!lwE2FT5o3qGBNhW1F,cUQ~~_12.JPG Geo From wbeech at flash.net Sun Mar 27 06:53:44 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 07:53:44 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question In-Reply-To: <001801cbec81$4fc99b60$ef5cd220$@net> References: <0C12A69F29054901A4007AB70449E140@bboffice> <001801cbec81$4fc99b60$ef5cd220$@net> Message-ID: <60BBC3AAF73F4B4181CB70994C80EFF3@bboffice> That is what I thought. I went ahead and bought it for $90.00, I can re-engineer or make the brackets. Many thanks to all who responded that helped me to figure out just what I was looking at. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: Joe Laurito [mailto:trglory at verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 7:17 AM To: 'Geo Hahn'; wbeech at flash.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question The seat cover is for a TR3a with a sloped rear floor; the irons are for a TR3. They are not compatible. Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:17 PM To: wbeech at flash.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Rear Seat Part number Question On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > There is a rear seat kit on eBay for a TR3... Might anyone know what > commission range this fits. That rear seat has the curved front edge... some had a straight front edge with more squared corners. My TS47905 has a curved front edge though I cannot say whether that is correct. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqR,!j!E1NPEVRk1BNhW0c647Q~~_12.JPG Also -- my brackets are simpler than those -- again, can't swear they are original but suspect they are. http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqJ,!lwE2FT5o3qGBNhW1F,cUQ~~_12.JPG Geo From triumph.driver at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 08:40:04 2011 From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 11:40:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] The British Car Meet at the Market, Dayton, OH Message-ID: <4CCB095082F44920B12D5E5B7E4CACC7@chuck> The 8th Annual British Car Meet at the Market, sponsored by the British Transportation Museum, is open to all British cars and motorcycles. Beautiful cars, trophies, door prizes, and great food make for a super event. Vehicle entry is $18 day of the show, $15 in advance, and there is a $5 Museum member discount. Spectators are free and cordially invited to join us in appreciating these beautiful and rare vehicles. For more information, call Dick Smith at (937) 985-7204 or click on http://www.britishcarmuseum.org . Saturday, May 14, 2011 8am - 3pm TOP of the Market Banquet and Event Center 32 Webster St Dayton, OH 45402 From n197tr4 at cs.com Sun Mar 27 10:23:22 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:23:22 -0400 Subject: [TR] TOWING VS TRAILERING Message-ID: <8CDBABACEF44EA6-EF0-493E9@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Hardy towed his TR3 with a tow bar, but he is very special.So was his tow vehicle. I've gone from minimal trailer to enclosed trailer and back to minimal trailer with revised engineering. results are on photobucket.com/ambro Base trailer is under $2,000 very cool. TURNKEY. you add tiedowns and hookup. Outstanding local manufacturer in IOWA. I am pleased. (I also designed a tie down system that can be adapted to any trailer. It is not in production yet, but working toward that goal with a couple designs.) If anyone is interested, I can help....serious inquiries only. I think trailer towing our little cars is going to become more prevalent. This trailer also carries our Miata........there are few low cost choices for our vehicles. This is a good one. PHOTOBUCKET.COM/AMBRO Joe Alexander From tr3 at roadrunner.com Sun Mar 27 12:31:59 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 12:31:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] towing tr3--- In-Reply-To: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Looks like a great trailer for the purpose, but where can I get something like that in So. California? On Mar 27, 2011, at 10:01 AM, n197tr4 at cs.com wrote: > hardy prentice was successful with towing tr3 but that's a whole > different story. > > i was unsuccessful with a tow bar. > > > look at photobucket.com/ambro for my solution. > > under $2,000 will get you safe durable towing for base version. > > joe alexander > From leejohn7 at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 14:36:50 2011 From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:36:50 -0700 Subject: [TR] TOWING VS TRAILERING In-Reply-To: <8CDBABACEF44EA6-EF0-493E9@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CDBABACEF44EA6-EF0-493E9@Webmail-d105.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Joe I too am looking for a fairly priced trailer. Is there a website for the Iowan manufacturer? Thanks John Howard On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 10:23 AM, wrote: > > Hardy towed his TR3 with a tow bar, but he is very special.So was his tow > vehicle. > > I've gone from minimal trailer to enclosed trailer and back to minimal > trailer with revised engineering. > > results are on photobucket.com/ambro > > Base trailer is under $2,000 very cool. TURNKEY. you add tiedowns and > hookup. > > Outstanding local manufacturer in IOWA. > > I am pleased. > > (I also designed a tie down system that can be adapted to any trailer. It > is not in production yet, but working toward that goal with a couple > designs.) > > If anyone is interested, I can help....serious inquiries only. I think > trailer towing our little cars is going to become more prevalent. This > trailer also carries our Miata........there are few low cost choices for our > vehicles. This is a good one. > > PHOTOBUCKET.COM/AMBRO > > Joe Alexander > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/leejohn7 at gmail.com > > From pethier at comcast.net Sun Mar 27 20:28:33 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 03:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Tow bar for TR3 In-Reply-To: <0d5001cbec50$9d15c6e0$0301a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1574802353.3212413.1301282913225.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > If you do tow with the rear wheels on the ground, be sure to > disconnect the > driveshaft if you are going very far or very fast. There is a bearing > in > the gearbox that doesn't get lubed properly when the engine is not > running. > > -- Randall I know that one. I burned up that bearing in a Cortina GT. Get a trailer. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From aljlthomson at charter.net Mon Mar 28 06:08:04 2011 From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex&Janet Thomson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:08:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] Last Call Message-ID: <49D26256D4384DF1A3AC233710611EDE@D6254Z51> To Listers: I have a "73 TR-6 tub that is completely stripped and ready to go to the scrap yard unless there is any interest. Commission # CF6115U. This tub appears in the classified section on the VTR website. Additional pictures are available by e-mail. Local pickup in western Connecticut with a price of $100. Please contact me off-line at ALJLThomson at Charter.net Alex Thomson From tr3 at roadrunner.com Mon Mar 28 13:59:27 2011 From: tr3 at roadrunner.com (Hans de Ferrante) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:59:27 -0700 Subject: [TR] towing tr3--- In-Reply-To: <0b8e01cbed7b$c315feb0$4941fc10$@rr.com> References: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> <0b8e01cbed7b$c315feb0$4941fc10$@rr.com> Message-ID: <792CABFB-02C7-475B-A2D2-3642DF37F6D8@roadrunner.com> Yes, Randall, in fact, Jan, who has it and who lives only a few blocks from me will be needing it for the club's Big Bear event. That is the time that I was thinking of towing my TR to Red Lands or Mentone and drive it from there to B.B. I just don't fancy that freeway drive anymore. I heard that an open motorcycle hauler, slightly modified, might be the ideal solution, which I plan to look into. On Mar 28, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Randall wrote: > Did you join TRSC? There is an unofficial "club" trailer ... From dbh at hamengr.com Mon Mar 28 16:06:17 2011 From: dbh at hamengr.com (David B. Hammond) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:06:17 -0700 Subject: [TR] TDC In-Reply-To: <792CABFB-02C7-475B-A2D2-3642DF37F6D8@roadrunner.com> References: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> <0b8e01cbed7b$c315feb0$4941fc10$@rr.com> <792CABFB-02C7-475B-A2D2-3642DF37F6D8@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <000001cbed9c$bec1e3d0$3c45ab70$@com> How do you determine TDC in a 4 cyl engine? From oertwig at mac.com Mon Mar 28 16:08:50 2011 From: oertwig at mac.com (Stephen Oertwig) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:08:50 -1000 Subject: [TR] Trailers Message-ID: Discussion has been about dragging or trailering Triumphs. There is room to talk about types of trailers. I got a tilt bed trailer because you can get a low car such as GT6 on without scrapping on the ground. Just pull a couple pins, and the bed tilts up. Drive on -- slowly -- and the trailer bed slowly goes down. Slip the pins back in, and move to the optimum position on the bed. Don't have to worry about ramps, making sure everything is lined up to drive on and off. This was a trailer made in Missouri. steve From spitlist at cox.net Mon Mar 28 16:18:51 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:18:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] TDC In-Reply-To: <000001cbed9c$bec1e3d0$3c45ab70$@com> References: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> <0b8e01cbed7b$c315feb0$4941fc10$@rr.com><792CABFB-02C7-475B-A2D2-3642DF37F6D8@roadrunner.com> <000001cbed9c$bec1e3d0$3c45ab70$@com> Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aw7IdW4Qxcc Here is a video that explains it using an MGB Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David B. Hammond Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:06 PM To: 'Triumphs List' Subject: [TR] TDC How do you determine TDC in a 4 cyl engine? _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Mar 28 16:28:10 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:28:10 -0700 Subject: [TR] TDC In-Reply-To: <000001cbed9c$bec1e3d0$3c45ab70$@com> References: <8CDBAB7AF4C4952-2630-B710@TSTMAIL-D10.sysops.aol.com> <0b8e01cbed7b$c315feb0$4941fc10$@rr.com> <792CABFB-02C7-475B-A2D2-3642DF37F6D8@roadrunner.com> <000001cbed9c$bec1e3d0$3c45ab70$@com> Message-ID: <0c2901cbed9f$cd91ab90$68b502b0$@rr.com> > How do you determine TDC in a 4 cyl engine? How accurately do you want to know it? Normally I just look at the timing mark. -- Randall From tr6driver at yahoo.com Mon Mar 28 19:14:53 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:14:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Wanted: Hathaway or Hunter kit car for TR Chassis Message-ID: <676229.92397.qm@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi, folks... I've been looking for a Hathaway or Hunter kit car (looks kinda like a cross between a Morgan and an XK-120 ever since I fell in love with a picture of one in high school...I post to the list every once in a while looking for one...so...here's my post again. Anyone got one out there, finished, not-finished, etc.???? Please respond if you do...especially if it's for sale! Thanks! Jamie Palmer Raleigh, NC tr6driver at yahoo.com From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Mar 29 04:47:40 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Wanted: Hathaway or Hunter kit car for TR Chassis Message-ID: <105c1.38894d19.3ac320dc@cs.com> In a message dated 3/28/2011 9:15:26 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6driver at yahoo.com writes: > I've been looking for a Hathaway or Hunter kit car (looks kinda like a > cross > between a Morgan and an XK-120 ever since I fell in love with a picture of > one > in high school...I post to the list every once in a while looking for > one...so...here's my post again. Anyone got one out there, finished, > not-finished, etc.???? Please respond if you do...especially if it's for > sale! > Have you considered an Ambro? Joe can help you out there. Looks more like a Lola GT. Dave From pethier at comcast.net Tue Mar 29 11:11:21 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Wanted: Hathaway or Hunter kit car for TR Chassis In-Reply-To: <900863602.3305818.1301422058391.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <345888393.3306036.1301422281261.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> > Have you considered an Ambro? Joe can help you out there. > > Looks more like a Lola GT. Huh? The AmBro looks nothing like a Lola GT. It looks like a birdcage Maserati. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maserati_Tipo_61 Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack" 2004 Suburban 8.1 2005 Lotus Elise 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4 pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org http://www.mnautox.com From tr6driver at yahoo.com Tue Mar 29 12:10:07 2011 From: tr6driver at yahoo.com (Jamie Palmer) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Hathaway/Hunter Message-ID: <107376.63703.qm@web114711.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Appreciate the suggestion, Dave, but there's something about the Hathaway/Hunter shape that has always captured my attention.? I figure there's got to be someone out there that knows of a kit that's been around for a long time....I'm closing in on 50, so it's about time I found one! If you're curious, here's a link to a picture: http://www.triumph.nl/cth/sites/default/files/images/modellen/hathaway_hunter.jpg Jamie Palmer Raleigh, NC From n197tr4 at cs.com Tue Mar 29 12:44:54 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:44:54 -0400 Subject: [TR] AMBRO BUILDERS AT VIR Message-ID: <8CDBC60E9111EC9-2214-22C2@Webmail-d124.sysops.aol.com> I noticed the posting on AMBRO.....after someone mentioned building a kit car. I am meeting one builder from N.C. at VIR for the vintage racing event in about 10 days. We are expecting a second person who is inquiring about a build....from Wilmington, NC, too. The AMBRO build is also featured in Kas Kastner's newest book. Even if you never build a car, it is a fascinating subject....a dream come true for me after contemplating building a car or airplane for over 50 years. It's on photobucket.com/ambro if you care to peek at it. Joe A. From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Tue Mar 29 14:03:02 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (cfmtr3a at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 16:03:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [TR] Hathaway/Hunter Message-ID: <136138941.1369659.1301432582328.JavaMail.root@vznit170134> Very Morgan-ish.... Definitely a different look than the Ambro styling. Good Luck. C Mar 29, 2011 07:22:27 PM, tr6driver at yahoo.com wrote: Appreciate the suggestion, Dave, but there's something about the Hathaway/Hunter shape that has always captured my attention. I figure there's got to be someone out there that knows of a kit that's been around for a long time....I'm closing in on 50, so it's about time I found one! If you're curious, here's a link to a picture: http://www.triumph.nl/cth/sites/default/files/images/modellen/hathaway_hunter.jpg Jamie Palmer Raleigh, NC From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Mar 29 16:14:00 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Hathaway/Hunter Message-ID: <9a2f0.48891d81.3ac3c1b8@cs.com> In a message dated 3/29/2011 2:22:17 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6driver at yahoo.com writes: > Appreciate the suggestion, Dave, but there's something about the > Hathaway/Hunter > shape that has always captured my attention. I figure there's got to be > someone > out there that knows of a kit that's been around for a long time....I'm > closing > in on 50, so it's about time I found one! > > If you're curious, here's a link to a picture: > > http://www.triumph.nl/cth/sites/default/files/images/modellen/hathaway_hunt > er.jpg > Cool. Kind of like the love child of an XK Jag and a Morgan. Good luck Dave From mntr3a at aol.com Wed Mar 30 04:09:40 2011 From: mntr3a at aol.com (mntr3a at aol.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] Converting Triumph Spitfire to fully electric in 36 hours flat Message-ID: <8CDBCE218BF736A-1C90-1579@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Pioneers/2007/0319/backstory-from-gas-powered-to-electric-auto-in-36-hours-flat From rawanderer at comcast.net Wed Mar 30 04:38:41 2011 From: rawanderer at comcast.net (Bob Wanderer) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Converting Triumph Spitfire to fully electric in 36 hours flat In-Reply-To: <8CDBCE218BF736A-1C90-1579@webmail-d077.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1399258150.294710.1301485121591.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Fascinating. Has part 2 come out yet? BobW Montgomeryville, Pa. (suburban Philadelphia) 1974 Pimento TR6 ----- Original Message ----- From: mntr3a at aol.com To: triumphs at autox.team.net, intermarque at gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:09:40 AM Subject: [TR] Converting Triumph Spitfire to fully electric in 36 hours flat http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation/Pioneers/2007/0319/backstory-from-gas-powered-to-electric-auto-in-36-hours-flat _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rawanderer at comcast.net From djsforza at gmail.com Wed Mar 30 07:52:35 2011 From: djsforza at gmail.com (Don Sforza) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 10:52:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Are you surprised? Message-ID: Started Becky's TR6 this morning. It's been a while (about a year...maybe more!!!) and I have to move it. Pulled the choke, hit the key and it fired right up. Problems: one oil leak (not a problem, drain plug), coolant leak (got to find it), exhaust loose somewhere (oh, the rattle), and a fuel leak from the rear carb (UGH!!! I hate those). From jimmuller at rcn.com Wed Mar 30 08:06:57 2011 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 11:06:57 -0400 Subject: [TR] Are you surprised? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4D930ED1.23698.1F78B47A@localhost> On 30 Mar 2011 at 10:52, Don Sforza wrote: > coolant leak > (got to find it), How's the dilithium? -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From iron_horse819 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 09:50:47 2011 From: iron_horse819 at yahoo.com (Raymond Hatfield) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Hathaway/Hunter In-Reply-To: <9a2f0.48891d81.3ac3c1b8@cs.com> References: <9a2f0.48891d81.3ac3c1b8@cs.com> Message-ID: <127822.97410.qm@web120605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> FYI? There is a Jamacian kit (still pallet mounted apparently) for sale in Oregon if anyone was interested NFI and too far away for me :) Raymond L. Hatfield ----- Original Message ---- From: "Dave1massey at cs.com" To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, March 29, 2011 6:14:00 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Hathaway/Hunter In a message dated 3/29/2011 2:22:17 PM Central Daylight Time, tr6driver at yahoo.com writes: > Appreciate the suggestion, Dave, but there's something about the > Hathaway/Hunter > shape that has always captured my attention.? I figure there's got to be > someone > out there that knows of a kit that's been around for a long time....I'm > closing > in on 50, so it's about time I found one! > > If you're curious, here's a link to a picture: > > http://www.triumph.nl/cth/sites/default/files/images/modellen/hathaway_hunt > er.jpg > Cool.? Kind of like the love child of an XK Jag and a Morgan. Good luck Dave _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/iron_horse819 at yahoo.com From N197TR4 at cs.com Wed Mar 30 14:04:53 2011 From: N197TR4 at cs.com (N197TR4 at cs.com) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:04:53 EDT Subject: [TR] HATHAWAY KIT Message-ID: <191b6.6e126d85.3ac4f4f5@cs.com> I love the looks of it. But I started out with an MG TD and also lusted after a Morgan. There a couple guys in Florida writing about every fibreglass body kit built. Keyword might be 'forgotten fibreglass' I'll do a little searching as I am fascinated by all of this stuff. 50 is a good age to start....wise enough to know you cant do it all your self and usually have a network of resources by that age. Joe A From fishplate at charter.net Wed Mar 30 15:03:10 2011 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:03:10 -0400 Subject: [TR] Converting Triumph Spitfire to fully electric in 36 hours flat In-Reply-To: <1399258150.294710.1301485121591.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <1399258150.294710.1301485121591.JavaMail.root@sz0133a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D93A89E.7090802@charter.net> On 3/30/2011 7:38 AM, Bob Wanderer wrote: > Fascinating. Has part 2 come out yet? > http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0320/p20s01-sten.html Took me a while to figure out that the story appeared 4 years ago. A lot has changed since then... From guy at genfiniti.com Wed Mar 30 16:30:49 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:30:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Installing Dan Master's Harness - Question Message-ID: Listers, I am installing the Advance Auto Wire kit to my TR4A. Neither the diagram, nor in the manual, mentions the starter solenoid. Is it needed? I ask this because there is no mention, but also because the "power block" contains a starter relay, which is basically the same thing. If it is still needed, to which side ("S" or "I") does the positive lead from the battery need to terminate? (Originally it was to the "S" side.) I am converting to negative ground. Thanks in advance. Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From darrellw at ipns.com Wed Mar 30 17:00:22 2011 From: darrellw at ipns.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:00:22 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Installing Dan Master's Harness - Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Guy, I believe you should use the output of that relay to activate the solenoid. It isn't big enough to carry the current for the starter. It is just there to lighten the load on the starter switch. -Darrell On Mar 30, 2011, at 4:30 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > Listers, > > I am installing the Advance Auto Wire kit to my TR4A. > Neither the diagram, nor in the manual, mentions the starter solenoid. > > Is it needed? I ask this because there is no mention, but also because the "power block" contains a starter relay, which is basically the same thing. > > If it is still needed, to which side ("S" or "I") does the positive lead from the battery need to terminate? (Originally it was to the "S" side.) > I am converting to negative ground. > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/darrellw at ipns.com > From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 30 17:14:47 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:14:47 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Installing Dan Master's Harness - Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <103401cbef38$a650c7b0$f2f25710$@rr.com> Yes, the original solenoid is still required if you are keeping the original starter. The relay in the power block (and the wiring to it) will NOT handle the hundreds of amps drawn by the starter motor. But if you are using one of the "high tech" gear-drive starters, they include an integral solenoid that can be used to replace the original solenoid. (I kept my original solenoid, because the earlier cars had a button on the solenoid that comes in handy sometimes.) The solenoid does not care about polarity, leave it wired the same as before. -- Randall From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 17:59:27 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 17:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic Message-ID: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> I'll have a completely new brake system when I'm finally finished with the restoration. Are silicon people happy with that choice? I've heard drawbacks of it being thinner, making leaks more likely. I'd love the idea of it not harming paint though. Just wondering gary n. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 30 18:26:19 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:26:19 -0700 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> This borders on a religious discussion, with lots of opinions on both sides. Personally I love DOT-5 silicone brake fluid. Not only does it not harm paint and not degrade over time, it helps preserve the braking system components so they will last much longer. With a completely new system, you could easily go 100,000 miles without having to touch the hydraulics again. And it will never, ever, do this: http://tinyurl.com/4qvg8w7 -- Randall From paradise.712002 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 30 18:28:48 2011 From: paradise.712002 at yahoo.com (Bryan Loy) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <216009.86258.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> thats "fluif" on this list, Gary! LOL And as far as the synthetic goes, as long as you have none of the old fluid in the lines, then by all means go w/Dot 5. It's a funky shade of purple, but it works very well w/no deterioration of the m/c rubber as is the case w/dot 3. I've used in my '71 TR6 for a long time w/much success. Good luck! --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Gary Nafziger wrote: > From: Gary Nafziger > Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 8:59 PM > I'll have a completely new brake > system when I'm finally finished with the > restoration.? Are silicon people happy with that > choice?? I've heard drawbacks > of it being thinner, making leaks more likely. > > I'd love the idea of it not harming paint though.? > > Just wondering > > gary n. > _______________________________________________ > Triumphs at autox.team.net > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation? $11.47 > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/paradise.712002 at yahoo.com > > From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Mar 30 18:47:02 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 18:47:02 -0700 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <216009.86258.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> <216009.86258.qm@web37605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <109701cbef45$88b24f00$9a16ed00$@rr.com> > And as far as the synthetic goes, Please note that "synthetic" is not synonymous with "DOT 5 silicone". Lots of stores sell DOT 4 (or DOT 5.1) "synthetic", and it will still eat paint, absorb water, corrode aluminum, etc. -- Randall From trglory at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 18:59:09 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joe Laurito) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:59:09 -0400 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> <108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> Message-ID: <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> I just got a new brake master from one of the big 3. On the side of the box in huge lettering is a sign that reads "use of silicone fluid voids the warrantee". What's up with that? Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:26 PM To: 'Gary Nafziger'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic This borders on a religious discussion, with lots of opinions on both sides. Personally I love DOT-5 silicone brake fluid. Not only does it not harm paint and not degrade over time, it helps preserve the braking system components so they will last much longer. With a completely new system, you could easily go 100,000 miles without having to touch the hydraulics again. And it will never, ever, do this: http://tinyurl.com/4qvg8w7 -- Randall _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory at verizon.net From lbc.resto at verizon.net Wed Mar 30 19:10:40 2011 From: lbc.resto at verizon.net (LBC.Resto) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 22:10:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <014501cbef48$d60d49f0$8227ddd0$@verizon.net> I went the Silicon route with my TR4 in 2006 after a complete brake overhaul and have been very happy with the performance. I would like to do the same with the Jag, but I still have components with the older seals and don't want to disturb what isn't yet broken. Thanks Ian 62 TR4 70 E-Type Jaguar OTS -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Gary Nafziger Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:59 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic I'll have a completely new brake system when I'm finally finished with the restoration. Are silicon people happy with that choice? I've heard drawbacks of it being thinner, making leaks more likely. I'd love the idea of it not harming paint though. Just wondering gary n. _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/lbc.resto at verizon.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Mar 30 19:28:02 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 19:28:02 -0700 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com><108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> Message-ID: I have heard others say that as well. I am at a loss to figure out why that is so. I have been using DOT 5 in Tiny Tim since 2000 and have never had any issues with any of the three master cylinders or any of the wheel or clutch slaves. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Laurito Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 6:59 PM To: 'Randall'; 'Gary Nafziger'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic I just got a new brake master from one of the big 3. On the side of the box in huge lettering is a sign that reads "use of silicone fluid voids the warrantee". What's up with that? Joe Laurito -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 9:26 PM To: 'Gary Nafziger'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic This borders on a religious discussion, with lots of opinions on both sides. Personally I love DOT-5 silicone brake fluid. Not only does it not harm paint and not degrade over time, it helps preserve the braking system components so they will last much longer. With a completely new system, you could easily go 100,000 miles without having to touch the hydraulics again. And it will never, ever, do this: http://tinyurl.com/4qvg8w7 -- Randall _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trglory at verizon.net _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From dave at ranteer.com Wed Mar 30 19:32:33 2011 From: dave at ranteer.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 21:32:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com><108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> Message-ID: <8F22223961FB40B0ABC544032C8C6847@ranteer.local> ?I received a master cylinder with the same warning. I happen to have a relationship with someone who works for Moss, so I asked him. he said it?s a liablitiy issue ? that if you mix dot 3/4 and silicone, unpredictable things happen. so they put this warning on. there is absolutely no reason whatsoever not to use dot 5 (silicone) in a brand new master cylinder. From: Joe Laurito Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:59 PM To: 'Randall' ; 'Gary Nafziger' ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic I just got a new brake master from one of the big 3. On the side of the box in huge lettering is a sign that reads "use of silicone fluid voids the warrantee". What's up with that? Joe Laurito From Dave1massey at cs.com Thu Mar 31 05:05:16 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic Message-ID: <5849.18ae3c24.3ac5c7fc@cs.com> In a message dated 3/30/2011 8:09:05 PM Central Daylight Time, nafzigerg at yahoo.com writes: > I'll have a completely new brake system when I'm finally finished with > the > restoration. Are silicon people happy with that choice? I've heard > drawbacks > of it being thinner, making leaks more likely. > > I'd love the idea of it not harming paint though. > > Just wondering > If your braking system is new stem to stern I recommend DOT5 (silicone). I redid my TR6 back in 1996 and put in silicone at that time. This winter I had to actually bleed the system for the first time. Then a couple weeks later I had to do it again. The reason for the second bleeding was I forgot to tighten up the RF bleeder. (DOH!) My brakes have been trouble free and trouble free brakes are kind of important. Dave From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 07:45:10 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 07:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <423443.88469.qm@web120213.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Gary having found a few initial leaks after my restoration i am very happy with my dot5 conversion. no rubber problems and no bleeding problems Frank ________________________________ From: Gary Nafziger To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, March 30, 2011 5:59:27 PM Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic I'll have a completely new brake system when I'm finally finished with the restoration.? Are silicon people happy with that choice?? I've heard drawbacks of it being thinner, making leaks more likely. I'd love the idea of it not harming paint though.? Just wondering gary n. _______________________________________________ Triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation? $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Manage your account: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Mar 31 09:13:14 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 09:13:14 -0700 Subject: [TR] silicon or regular brake fluic In-Reply-To: References: <351923.10199.qm@web65302.mail.ac2.yahoo.com><108a01cbef42$a3b306d0$eb191470$@rr.com> <008701cbef47$3a3242c0$ae96c840$@net> Message-ID: <00c801cbefbe$8a3588a0$9ea099e0$@rr.com> > I have heard others say that as well. I am at a loss to figure out why > that is so. In one case that I heard about, the clearances in the MC were so tight that the piston would not return properly with silicone fluid. It's my personal opinion that it would have had trouble in very cold temperatures even with glycol, but the vendor blamed it on the silicone (and refused to warranty the MC). As I recall, the owner gave the bore a few swipes with a hone, and the problem disappeared. But I suspect it has more to do with the potential for silicone to destroy the replacement cylinder business. -- Randall From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Thu Mar 31 10:52:07 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:52:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] dot 5 silicone Message-ID: <849327.42894.qm@web65305.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Seems overwhelmingly positive for dot 5 silicone fluid (fluif)! thanks for all the response! gary n. From arakelianp at mossmotors.com Thu Mar 31 12:25:23 2011 From: arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian) Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 12:25:23 -0700 Subject: [TR] silicone brake fluif Message-ID: <4D4FABA15328FC42B1AA0DEE4673548C09DA8AFE@DR-EX-04.datacenter.dataresolution.net> Girling will not warranty a cylinder with signs of silicone brake fluid, because the cylinders were designed to meet OE specifications which are standard brake fluid. This from TRW, current holder of Girling brand. Peter