From gdewine at aol.com Thu Dec 1 09:03:08 2011 From: gdewine at aol.com (gdewine at aol.com) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:03:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations Message-ID: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> My 1961 TR3 is finally roadworthy-oil leaks are minimal-no funky smells-or strange smoke. The carburetors have been rebuilt and are functioning...The car starts/stops, shifts smoothly and drives. It looks great from 20 feet. I need advice on the proper lubricants/fluids/additives it will need to keep frustration to a minimum. The cylinder head has not been rebuilt...so valves are original.. Engine oil...gearbox....rear axle...grease fittings...steering box....radiator antifreeze.....gas...lead substitute...etc. etc. are areas were I need advice..... Gary DeWine Cleveland, Ohio 1961 TR3A From yellowtr at adelphia.net Thu Dec 1 09:28:41 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 11:28:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4ED7AB39.80505@adelphia.net> Gary, I use Brad Penn 20/50 racing oil all my Triumphs, 3, 4 and 6. All engines have been rebuilt with hardened exhaust seats in the head. I add a small bottle of ZDDP additive every oil change. I get the stuff from Eastwood. I use a GL4 80w oil in the gearbox and rear end from Napa. The steering box gets penrite. Radiator gets 50/50 Prestone. I mix the anti freeze myself using distilled H20 from a local drug store. Gas is the midgrade 89 octane. Grease is high temp with moly. I also have silicone brake fluid in the 4 and 6. Std DOT 4 in the 3. If I ever have to rebuild the hydraulics in the 3, it will get DOT 5 also. All cars run and drive just great with no issues. Start right up every time. Bob On 12/01/2011 11:03 AM, gdewine at aol.com wrote: > My 1961 TR3 is finally roadworthy-oil leaks are minimal-no funky smells-or > strange smoke. The carburetors have been rebuilt and are functioning...The car > starts/stops, shifts smoothly and drives. It looks great from 20 feet. > I need advice on the proper lubricants/fluids/additives it will need to keep > frustration to a minimum. The cylinder head has not been rebuilt...so valves > are original.. > Engine oil...gearbox....rear axle...grease fittings...steering box....radiator > antifreeze.....gas...lead substitute...etc. etc. are areas were I need > advice..... > > Gary DeWine > Cleveland, Ohio > 1961 TR3A From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 1 10:14:00 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 09:14:00 -0800 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <02dc01ccb04c$9e7e9280$0201a8c0@randall> What I use: > Engine oil... Valvoline 20W50 full synthetic > gearbox... Redline MT-90 > .rear axle.. Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > .grease fittings... Sta-Lube Premium Red grease > steering box... Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > .radiator antifreeze... Usually Prestone "extended life", but only about 30/70 instead of the recommended 50/50 since I live where it very rarely freezes. >..gas.. Costco Premium >.lead substitute... I don't use lead substitute. > etc. Carb dampers : 20 weight motor oil, any brand. (Had to buy from MMC last time, as none of the local stores carry straight 20 weight any more.) For lubing all the points that need a drop of oil from time to time, I stand my motor oil bottles upside down in a pump oil can to collect the last few drops. Front wheel bearings : Sta-Lube "Moly Graph" wheel bearing grease (in a tub). Brake fluid : DOT 5 -- Randall From tony at tonydrews.com Thu Dec 1 11:18:17 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 12:18:17 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> Avoid Ethanol in the gas if you can - it's hard on some of the fuel system components. Cheers, Tony At 10:03 AM 12/1/2011, gdewine at aol.com wrote: >My 1961 TR3 is finally roadworthy-oil leaks are minimal-no funky smells-or >strange smoke. The carburetors have been rebuilt and are functioning...The car >starts/stops, shifts smoothly and drives. It looks great from 20 feet. >I need advice on the proper lubricants/fluids/additives it will need to keep >frustration to a minimum. The cylinder head has not been rebuilt...so valves >are original.. >Engine oil...gearbox....rear axle...grease fittings...steering box....radiator >antifreeze.....gas...lead substitute...etc. etc. are areas were I need >advice..... > >Gary DeWine >Cleveland, Ohio >1961 TR3A > > >triumphs at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com Thu Dec 1 21:42:25 2011 From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 20:42:25 -0800 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <02dc01ccb04c$9e7e9280$0201a8c0@randall> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <02dc01ccb04c$9e7e9280$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <004b01ccb0ac$ca054bf0$5e0fe3d0$@rr.com> Damn, can't you guys spell correctly???? It's fluif .... F L U I F. You're really going to screw up the archives. Johnnie > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:14 AM > To: gdewine at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations > > What I use: > > > Engine oil... > > Valvoline 20W50 full synthetic > > > gearbox... > > Redline MT-90 > > > .rear axle.. > > Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > > > .grease fittings... > > Sta-Lube Premium Red grease > > > steering box... > > Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > > > .radiator antifreeze... > > Usually Prestone "extended life", but only about 30/70 instead of the > recommended 50/50 since I live where it very rarely freezes. > > >..gas.. > > Costco Premium > > >.lead substitute... > > I don't use lead substitute. > > > etc. > > Carb dampers : 20 weight motor oil, any brand. (Had to buy from MMC > last > time, as none of the local stores carry straight 20 weight any more.) > > For lubing all the points that need a drop of oil from time to time, I > stand > my motor oil bottles upside down in a pump oil can to collect the last > few > drops. > > Front wheel bearings : Sta-Lube "Moly Graph" wheel bearing grease (in a > tub). > > Brake fluid : DOT 5 > > -- Randall > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1 at san.rr.com From spitlist at cox.net Thu Dec 1 22:21:38 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:21:38 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <004b01ccb0ac$ca054bf0$5e0fe3d0$@rr.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><02dc01ccb04c$9e7e9280$0201a8c0@randall> <004b01ccb0ac$ca054bf0$5e0fe3d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <49075006C08646B38B3B2789F749F147@Vista> Alas! Will it ever end? Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John & Pat Donnelly Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:42 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations Damn, can't you guys spell correctly???? It's fluif .... F L U I F. You're really going to screw up the archives. Johnnie > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:14 AM > To: gdewine at aol.com; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations > > What I use: > > > Engine oil... > > Valvoline 20W50 full synthetic > > > gearbox... > > Redline MT-90 > > > .rear axle.. > > Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > > > .grease fittings... > > Sta-Lube Premium Red grease > > > steering box... > > Valvoline full synthetic 75W90 gear oil > > > .radiator antifreeze... > > Usually Prestone "extended life", but only about 30/70 instead of the > recommended 50/50 since I live where it very rarely freezes. > > >..gas.. > > Costco Premium > > >.lead substitute... > > I don't use lead substitute. > > > etc. > > Carb dampers : 20 weight motor oil, any brand. (Had to buy from MMC > last > time, as none of the local stores carry straight 20 weight any more.) > > For lubing all the points that need a drop of oil from time to time, I > stand > my motor oil bottles upside down in a pump oil can to collect the last > few > drops. > > Front wheel bearings : Sta-Lube "Moly Graph" wheel bearing grease (in a > tub). > > Brake fluid : DOT 5 > > -- Randall > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1 at san.rr.com triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From spitlist at cox.net Thu Dec 1 22:27:12 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 22:27:12 -0700 Subject: [TR] Spitfire 50th anniversary decals Message-ID: In case anybody has forgotten, 2012 is the 50th anniversary of the introduction of the Triumph Spitfire. To celebrate this event, I have created a commemorative static cling decal (for inside of glass). They are selling for $5.00 each (postage and handling included). Special volume discounts are offered for people who wish to distribute them within clubs. You can see what it looks like at the following web site (scroll to the bottom of the page) http://www.spitlist.info/centercaps.html Banners are also being made on special order requests. Lets all celebrate this event by displaying this decal. Regards, Joe Curry From jimmuller at rcn.com Fri Dec 2 06:07:31 2011 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 08:07:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <49075006C08646B38B3B2789F749F147@Vista> References: <004b01ccb0ac$ca054bf0$5e0fe3d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4ED88743.4543.245066E@localhost> >> Damn, can't you guys spell correctly???? >> It's fluif .... F L U I F. On 1 Dec 2011 at 22:21, Joe Curry wrote: > Alas! Will it ever end? It won't. Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com From Dave1massey at cs.com Fri Dec 2 06:15:50 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 08:15:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations Message-ID: <79251.635db058.3c0a2986@cs.com> In a message dated 12/1/2011 11:21:35 PM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > Alas! Will it ever end? > Interestingly enough, a technical manual that fell through a time warp from 1,000 years in the future included a glossary that defines "Fluif" as a liquid, typically used as a lubricant. It goes on to say that the term was coined by the legendary Joe Curry some years before his fame made its meteoric rise. Dave (with apologies to Douglas Adams) From tjwakeman at gmail.com Fri Dec 2 06:16:31 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:16:31 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> On 12/1/11 11:18 AM, Tony Drews wrote: > Avoid Ethanol in the gas if you can - it's hard on some of the fuel > system components. > The ONLY place I have seen petrol without something like 10% ethanol in the last few years has been in Texas. Do they still have it any place else? My '61 TR3A runs: - Redline synthetic oils in the overdrive gearbox and rear end. - Valvoline synthetic 20-50 racing oil. I'd probably switch to 10-40 in the winter but I try not to drive my 3 in the snow. That's what my Land Rover is for. - a high quality anti freeze formulated for aluminum engines (Aluminum radiator) - Synthetic grease - Silicon brake fluid (DOT5) I will miss 2011. Just because the numbers this year are so auspicious. In 2011 my car is 50 years old and I have owned it for 25 years. 51 and 26 just doesn't run off the tongue as well. Teriann From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com Fri Dec 2 07:04:46 2011 From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 06:04:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: <1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Hello all, I need to replace the radiator shroud on my TR6 and do not want to go the original paper or aluminum route. I noticed Victoria British has a plastic one. I would greatly appreciate any feedback if anyone has anyone purchased one and what they think of it. Thank you, Robert Rudolphi 74 TR6 From darrellw360 at mac.com Fri Dec 2 07:17:03 2011 From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 06:17:03 -0800 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64E432D2-B5C0-423C-A7F8-9BB0F6516E71@mac.com> On Dec 2, 2011, at 5:16 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > The ONLY place I have seen petrol without something like 10% ethanol in the last few years has been in Texas. Do they still have it any place else? A few individual stations in various areas do appear to, here is a website that tracks it: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp?stateprov=WA -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA From rjones at wfeca.net Fri Dec 2 08:27:20 2011 From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:27:20 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: <1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6542A4A5-DE56-43F8-BB02-9C8ADE58AD6D@wfeca.net> Your best choice would be a stainless one fromRichard Good at Good Parts' Just a satisfied owner for years with a ally shroud from Good Parts. Bpb On Dec 2, 2011, at 8:04 AM, robert rudolphi wrote: > Hello all, > > I need to replace the radiator shroud on my TR6 and do not want > to go the original paper or aluminum route. I noticed Victoria British has a > plastic one. I would greatly appreciate any feedback if anyone has anyone > purchased one and what they think of it. > > Thank you, > > Robert Rudolphi > 74 > TR6 > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rjones at wfeca.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Fri Dec 2 07:50:40 2011 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (jerryvv at roadrunner.com) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 9:50:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: <1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20111202145040.KT896.67041.root@cdptpa-web37-z01.mail.rr.com> Buy one from Richard Good you'll be please that you did. JVV ---- robert rudolphi wrote: > Hello all, > > I need to replace the radiator shroud on my TR6 and do not want > to go the original paper or aluminum route. I noticed Victoria British has a > plastic one. I would greatly appreciate any feedback if anyone has anyone > purchased one and what they think of it. > > Thank you, > > Robert Rudolphi > 74 > TR6 > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 2 11:47:42 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:47:42 -0800 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: <124d01ccb122$e035fa20$a0a1ee60$@rr.com> > The ONLY place I have seen petrol without something like 10% ethanol in > the last few years has been in Texas. Do they still have it any place > else? I didn't keep a log, but I saw it in several places across the country last summer. Not every station even in areas where it was available. I tried some in the people hauler and it seemed like I got slightly better fuel mileage with it, but the higher price made it a wash. But where I live (CA), it is illegal to sell non-oxygenated gasoline for use on public roads, so I've been running my TRs on E10 ever since they outlawed MTBE (which has similar bad effects). The difference is very real, but IMO not particularly hard to deal with. If your fuel pump diaphragm hasn't been changed in the past 10-20 years, you'll want a new one. Ditto all the soft fuel lines (which IMO should be changed every 10 years anyway) and H4/6 float bowl mounts (which only last a couple of years anyway). Another issue is that E10 doesn't keep well, especially in non-sealed systems like the TR2-4. Not a problem for me as I drive the car year-round; but if you are going to store yours for more than 3 months, you'll probably want to take steps to preserve the fuel (or just transfer to another car and store the TR "dry"). Some people also believe that E10 can lead to rapid piston ring and cylinder wall wear in freshly rebuilt motors. One of our local club members had extreme wear in his TR4 motor less than 10,000 miles after rebuilding it and I've heard similar stories about other vintage engines. I suspect this is related to using too much choke when starting (liquid fuel in the cylinders washes away the oil film), but I have started using an upper cylinder lubricant anyway (as Triumph recommended). It's tough to always get just the right amount of choke every time (as my black tail pipe will attest). Don't recall the brand offhand, but it is a TC-W3 rated outboard motor oil (bought by the gallon at Wally mart). Supposedly provides better protection than Marvel Mystery Oil, at a small fraction of the price. -- Randall From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 2 19:58:21 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:58:21 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: <6542A4A5-DE56-43F8-BB02-9C8ADE58AD6D@wfeca.net> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6542A4A5-DE56-43F8-BB02-9C8ADE58AD6D@wfeca.net> Message-ID: I have one, and its nice, but stainless is like chrome and takes a lot of polishing. I would think you could go to a plastics supplier and using your old one create a new one out of plastic. I don't know that it would be cheaper or better tho From darrellw360 at mac.com Fri Dec 2 20:13:28 2011 From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 19:13:28 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6542A4A5-DE56-43F8-BB02-9C8ADE58AD6D@wfeca.net> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2011, at 6:58 PM, oliver wrote: > I have one, and its nice, but stainless is like chrome and takes a lot of polishing. Richard also does them in semi-gloss power-coated black. -Darrell From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 05:32:04 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 07:32:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <124d01ccb122$e035fa20$a0a1ee60$@rr.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> <124d01ccb122$e035fa20$a0a1ee60$@rr.com> Message-ID: I just replaced all the flexiblr fuel lines on a friends tr3 with Barricade fuel hose by Gates. The inside of the old hose was quite crumbly and did not look so very old. I've only been using this hose a short while so I have no personal experience on how well it will hold up but I think it is the right stuff to use with today's fuels. Chris From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Dec 3 09:12:40 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:12:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations Message-ID: <2057b.4c391034.3c0ba478@cs.com> In a message dated 12/3/2011 6:37:56 AM Central Standard Time, ccsimonsen at gmail.com writes: > I just replaced all the flexiblr fuel lines on a friends tr3 with > Barricade > fuel hose by Gates. > > The inside of the old hose was quite crumbly and did not look so very old. > > I've only been using this hose a short while so I have no personal > experience on how well it will hold up but I think it is the right stuff > to > use with today's fuels. > I've been told that all fuel hose sold in recent years is alcohol tolerant. And considering that all the fuel hose on the TR3 is easily accessible, this is not a tough job. The fuel pump diaghram needs attention, too. Mine turned into a piece of hard plastic. It didn't pump nuthin'. After that, the only worries are the disolving of the varnish that has accumulated in the tank. Worst case is you can pull the tank and have it cleaned and sealed which is probably a good thing to do in any case. Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Dec 3 09:32:20 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:32:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR6 radiator shroud Message-ID: <21262.6441db1e.3c0ba914@cs.com> In a message dated 12/2/2011 9:07:01 PM Central Standard Time, sumton at sbcglobal.net writes: > I have one, and its nice, but stainless is like chrome and takes a lot > of > polishing. > That sounds like a personal problem. Keep the hood closed. You can take the Delorean approach and sand it. Dave From spitlist at cox.net Sat Dec 3 09:37:17 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 09:37:17 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <2057b.4c391034.3c0ba478@cs.com> References: <2057b.4c391034.3c0ba478@cs.com> Message-ID: I don't know how recent your "recent years" indicates, but some hoses I bought in 2004 when I converted Tiny Tim to street trim turned to mush in a few short years. I always buy Teflon lined hoses ever since. They are much more expensive but well worth the extra money in avoidance of the sort of things I experienced. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave1massey at cs.com Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 9:13 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations I've been told that all fuel hose sold in recent years is alcohol tolerant. And considering that all the fuel hose on the TR3 is easily accessible, this is not a tough job. The fuel pump diaghram needs attention, too. Mine turned into a piece of hard plastic. It didn't pump nuthin'. After that, the only worries are the disolving of the varnish that has accumulated in the tank. Worst case is you can pull the tank and have it cleaned and sealed which is probably a good thing to do in any case. Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Dec 3 09:42:33 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:42:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations Message-ID: <2185a.b7f8f83.3c0bab78@cs.com> In a message dated 12/3/2011 10:36:59 AM Central Standard Time, spitlist at cox.net writes: > I don't know how recent your "recent years" indicates, but some hoses I > bought in 2004 when I converted Tiny Tim to street trim turned to mush in > a > few short years. I always buy Teflon lined hoses ever since. They are > much > more expensive but well worth the extra money in avoidance of the sort of > things I experienced. > Well, then I guess it is a good thing to ask when buying. But it is likely that in 2004 there was some stock left over from the pre-gasohol days. These days things might be different. Dave From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sat Dec 3 11:21:08 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:21:08 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <2185a.b7f8f83.3c0bab78@cs.com> References: <2185a.b7f8f83.3c0bab78@cs.com> Message-ID: I seem to lose frame of reference with respect to time on my tr4. I've done about everything to it at least once. When it needs doing again it feels too soon. Then I realize its been 15 years and probably more than 50,000 miles since I did the frame on fix up. Time flies. I do love that car... This thread reminds me that it's time to replace all fluifs again. Brake fluid especially .... From jeremiah at curryclan.net Sat Dec 3 11:34:45 2011 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:34:45 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Message-ID: Howdy all, I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown headgasked and not have those symptoms? Thanks, Jeremiah From wbeech at flash.net Sat Dec 3 12:05:58 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:05:58 -0600 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into the combustion chamber. DTDT. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Howdy all, > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeremiah > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 12:09:09 2011 From: jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com (John Young) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 11:09:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1322939349.28612.YahooMailNeo@web181018.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Yes, it is. The cause of the discoloration in oil and/or coolant is one of them getting into the other through the gasket leak. If the leak is from the combustion chamber directly to the outside, those symptoms will not appear. John Young NASS# 528 Indiana '78 Spitfire '66 Spitfire '59 TR3A From: Jeremiah Curry To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:34 PM Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Howdy all, I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown headgasked and not have those symptoms? Thanks, Jeremiah triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com From spitlist at cox.net Sat Dec 3 12:21:44 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:21:44 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could also be a cracked head. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into the combustion chamber. DTDT. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Howdy all, > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeremiah > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Dec 3 12:59:42 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 14:59:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations and comment on the TR4 In-Reply-To: References: <2185a.b7f8f83.3c0bab78@cs.com> Message-ID: <4EDA7FAE.5080508@adelphia.net> Chris, I have to agree the TR4 is a great looker and a great car to drive. I get a big smile every time I go in the garage even though I just finished the restoration of my 72 TR6. Next spring will be a first for me, a 3, 4 and a 6 all ready and willing to go for a ride! I love the looks and the handling of the 4 best. The sound of the 6 engine is just amazing. The 3's style and power is what got me into Triumphs in the first place. I guess I will just have to go with that old song: "Love the one you are with." Bob On 12/03/2011 01:21 PM, Chris Simo wrote: > I seem to lose frame of reference with respect to time on my tr4. I've > done about everything to it at least once. When it needs doing again it > feels too soon. Then I realize its been 15 years and probably more than > 50,000 miles since I did the frame on fix up. Time flies. I do love that > car... > > This thread reminds me that it's time to replace all fluifs again. Brake > fluid especially .... From jeremiah at curryclan.net Sat Dec 3 15:04:07 2011 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:04:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Message-ID: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it Jeremiah From spitlist at cox.net Sat Dec 3 15:31:43 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:31:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <0534A7EB83F34AB98D5892FD054306E3@Vista> If it is a crack, it may be that one of their welds did not hold. _____ From: Jeremiah Curry [mailto:jeremiah at curryclan.net] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 3:04 PM To: Joe Curry; 'Wbeech' Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it Jeremiah _____ From: Joe Curry Sent: 12/3/2011 12:21 PM To: 'Wbeech'; 'Jeremiah Curry' Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Could also be a cracked head. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into the combustion chamber. DTDT. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Howdy all, > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeremiah > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From mmarr at notwires.com Sat Dec 3 15:43:02 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:43:02 -0600 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><02dc01ccb04c$9e7e9280$0201a8c0@randall><004b01ccb0ac$ca054bf0$5e0fe3d0$@rr.com> <49075006C08646B38B3B2789F749F147@Vista> Message-ID: <0F0472D44CF144BE8BCCD8D4167E0AA2@trigeni.com> Hmmm - No! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Curry" To: "'John & Pat Donnelly'" ; Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations > Alas! Will it ever end? > > Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John & Pat Donnelly > Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 9:42 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] Fluid recommendations > > Damn, can't you guys spell correctly???? It's fluif .... F L U I F. > /Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mmarr at notwires.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 3 15:50:42 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:50:42 -0800 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <01b701ccb20d$fc6fb500$0201a8c0@randall> > they > found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it Unfortunately, I'd say that almost guarantees that one of the welds didn't hold. Welding cast iron is very tricky, and the result is almost always not as strong as the original casting (which wasn't strong enough). Even if the weld itself is strong, the welding process introduces stresses into the casting, which add to the regular stresses of heating/cooling in operation. But it could be just a leaking head gasket. I've had several of them that wouldn't even show up as bubbles in the coolant, at idle. The gasket only leaked under heavy load (where cylinder pressures are highest). -- Randall From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 3 15:53:36 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 14:53:36 -0800 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <2185a.b7f8f83.3c0bab78@cs.com> Message-ID: <01b801ccb20e$64403ec0$0201a8c0@randall> > This thread reminds me that it's time to replace all fluifs > again. Brake > fluid especially .... Just one of the reasons I love DOT 5; it lasts basically forever rather than needed to be changed every few years like the glycol-based fluifs. -- Randall From wbeech at flash.net Sat Dec 3 17:20:55 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 18:20:55 -0600 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> Message-ID: <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> You know you're going to have to pull the head, 45min, let us know what you find. Sure hope it is only the head gasket. Presumably when they magnafluxed the head it was checked for true at the same time. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote: > Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. > > i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it > > Jeremiah > From: Joe Curry > Sent: 12/3/2011 12:21 PM > To: 'Wbeech'; 'Jeremiah Curry' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > > Could also be a cracked head. > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM > To: Jeremiah Curry > Cc: > Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > > Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into > the > combustion chamber. DTDT. > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" > wrote: > > > Howdy all, > > > > > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take > a > > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a > blown > > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jeremiah > > > > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 3 18:40:33 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:40:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Turn Left at the Picific Message-ID: <1322962833.77149.YahooMailNeo@web39403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Holidays List! I just received my book: "Turn Left at the Pacific" from the well known world traveler Jonmac. I purchased a couple of these Great books. One for my personal self, the Rochester TRIUMPH Touring Car Club, one for a Christmas gift, & another for a car club member. The book has lots of great photos & covers the entire ride that John made. I think that it should be as one of the many gifts on every body's Christmas Wish List. I don't see why every car club (especially the ones that John visited), hasn't purchased this great book. I know that it is considered a 'Limited Edition' book, because only 350 of them were made in this run, & I truly doubt that a second printing will be made when these are sold out. Now that the holiday time is here (I don't know how many are left), I STRONGLY recommend that you should place your order NOW, before they are sold out. I'm not sure, but I sense that some of the money from this book may go to the charity for Post Traumatic Shock. Which is another good reason to purchase this book before they are sold out. Now I just can't wait for the CD's to come out, of the recorded scenic highlights of 'Uncle Jack's' travels through out Canada & the USA. -Cosmo Kramer From diggle at clear.net.nz Sun Dec 4 02:07:12 2011 From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 22:07:12 +1300 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Message-ID: <4edb3840.a0.17c6.8186@clear.net.nz> I agree with Randall, my TR4 head went between 2 and 3 about 10 years ago without bubbling or the oil and water mixing. I had the head welded up. Jim and the TR4. From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 07:12:06 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 07:12:06 -0700 Subject: [TR] Brooklands windscreens In-Reply-To: <409f4.43226497.3c07c97e@aol.com> References: <409f4.43226497.3c07c97e@aol.com> Message-ID: I found it a bit more aesthetically pleasing to mount the outboard bracket with a little 'shoe' under it to bring the screen into a more level position. http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/brooklands2.JPG http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/brooklands1.JPG On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 11:01 AM, wrote: > Incidentally, I have them installed on my car and I notice no difference > whatsoever in terms of wind when driving. They are worse in rain, however. Work pretty good in show though... http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/Snow08.jpg Geo From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 07:24:51 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 07:24:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fluid recommendations In-Reply-To: <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com> <20111202041315.6A1231878A9@autox.team.net> <4ED8CFAF.6060305@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:16 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote: > The ONLY place I have seen petrol without something like 10% ethanol in > the last few years has been in Texas. Do they still have it any place else? Rather ironic but I have heard that in the Midwest it is often available at the Farmers Co-Op. Guess they don't like actually using the stuff any more than we do. Geo From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com Sun Dec 4 07:42:30 2011 From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 06:42:30 -0800 Subject: [TR] Weeping head bolts Message-ID: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> When running the engine for the first time after installing my new Mad Marx rear oil seal I noticed that a couple of the head bolts were weeping water up through the threads. There were two of them on the manifold side on each side of #2 cylinder. One built up a little puddle (about a teaspoon worth) while the other just showed little bubbles. I've never seen this before. During the install, while the engine was apart, I had removed the head bolts for the first time in the engine's 44 year life. There was a lot of crud built up on the bolts that I scraped off. The nuts are torqued down to 105 lbs. Anybody seen this before? Will it stop? Johnnie '67 TR4A From tjwakeman at gmail.com Sun Dec 4 07:55:42 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 07:55:42 -0700 Subject: [TR] Weeping head bolts In-Reply-To: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> References: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <4EDB89EE.7010305@gmail.com> On 12/4/11 7:42 AM, John & Pat Donnelly wrote: > I noticed that a couple of the head bolts were weeping water > up through the threads. > > Anybody seen this before? Will it stop? It will stop when you replace the head gasket. You have coolant wondering around along the head gasket past the ridges that are supposed to keep the coolant restrained. When you have the head off be sure to check the top of the block for being level. Could have some puckering up at the head bolt holes. You indicated that you didn't think the head bolts had ever been loosened before. Might be a very good time to get a valve job with hardened valve seats and the head resurfaced if needed. And since the rocker arms will be off, remove a couple rockers to check the bushing. Since new bushings need to be machined if it needs doing, this would be a good time to do it. And while the push rods are out, roll each one on a flat surface to verify that they are still straight. My TR3 had 2 bent ones plus one with a hairline crack in the top cup when I bought the car. I've always wondered what was done to the engine to cause that. Take care, Teriann From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Sun Dec 4 08:51:27 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 07:51:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Nice TR3B Resto Article in Hemmings Message-ID: <1323013887.26946.YahooMailRC@web83304.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> http://www.hemmings.com/hsx/stories/2011/12/01/hmn_feature1.html Bill in Tehachapi From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 4 10:09:56 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:09:56 -0800 Subject: [TR] Weeping head bolts In-Reply-To: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> References: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <028801ccb2a7$8c1f0ef0$0201a8c0@randall> > Anybody seen this before? Will it stop? It's happened to me, and stopped after the first outing. My theory is that I spilled some coolant down in the space around the stud, and it got forced out when the engine got hot. But possibly the gasket really was weeping a bit, and the stop-leak additive in the coolant stopped it. -- Randall From boggiano at charter.net Sun Dec 4 19:14:23 2011 From: boggiano at charter.net (Thomas Boggiano) Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 21:14:23 -0500 Subject: [TR] Enhancing Brake Performance In-Reply-To: <1322602434.49542.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Has anyone replaced the stock braking components to something like a wilwood setup on the front? I am looking for recommendations as is it time this winter to restore and replace the braking systems in my TR4 and was going to start with the front. What did you use? How do you like it? Where did you get it from? Thanks Tom From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sun Dec 4 20:27:14 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:27:14 -0500 Subject: [TR] Enhancing Brake Performance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8AE344B3102649A69D203E13ABB54154@BobPC> Ted Schumacher at TSI has a reasonably priced Toyota conversion for the front and Richard Good has all kinds of upgrades from new M/C to front and rear brakes using many Wilwood components. Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Boggiano Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2011 9:14 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Enhancing Brake Performance Hi Has anyone replaced the stock braking components to something like a wilwood setup on the front? I am looking for recommendations as is it time this winter to restore and replace the braking systems in my TR4 and was going to start with the front. What did you use? How do you like it? Where did you get it from? Thanks Tom triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From Catpusher at aol.com Sun Dec 4 20:45:24 2011 From: Catpusher at aol.com (Catpusher at aol.com) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:45:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Subject: Weeping head bolts Message-ID: <291cb.39c12f3c.3c0d9854@aol.com> The factory used " Wire (lead) under nut", A/R, Part # 30123 It is 0.026" dia. and soft. I always carried this in my racing spares, and used it when installing any TR2/4A head. The real issue is an unseen leak under the rocker cover. TR Regards, Hardy John & Pat Donnelly" To: Subject: [TR] Weeping head bolts Message-ID: <000c01ccb292$f39d8da0$dad8a8e0$@rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" When running the engine for the first time after installing my new Mad Marx rear oil seal I noticed that a couple of the head bolts were weeping water up through the threads. There were two of them on the manifold side on each side of #2 cylinder. One built up a little puddle (about a teaspoon worth) while the other just showed little bubbles. I've never seen this before. During the install, while the engine was apart, I had removed the head bolts for the first time in the engine's 44 year life. There was a lot of crud built up on the bolts that I scraped off. The nuts are torqued down to 105 lbs. Anybody seen this before? Will it stop? Johnnie '67 TR4A From TRDOCTOR at AOL.COM Sun Dec 4 21:29:36 2011 From: TRDOCTOR at AOL.COM (Sam Clark) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:29:36 -0600 Subject: [TR] John Macartney Message-ID: <0479F73C-2BA3-42B0-AF53-72AE4A7887A9@AOL.COM> Does anyone have John's e-mail address? Sam Clark Green Country Triumphs From pethier at comcast.net Sun Dec 4 22:01:35 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 05:01:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] John Macartney In-Reply-To: <0479F73C-2BA3-42B0-AF53-72AE4A7887A9@AOL.COM> Message-ID: <919137485.641469.1323061295985.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Clark" > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 10:29:36 PM > Subject: [TR] John Macartney > Does anyone have John's e-mail address? > > Sam Clark > Green Country Triumphs > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From anabil007 at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 11:25:50 2011 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:25:50 -0800 Subject: [TR] [6pack] TR6 radiator shroud In-Reply-To: <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015745A70645@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> References: <8CE7E59DA77F55B-1AD0-2B036@webmail-m166.sysops.aol.com><1322763025.38020.YahooMailNeo@web125402.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1322834686.92627.YahooMailNeo@web125405.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <6542A4A5-DE56-43F8-BB02-9C8ADE58AD6D@wfeca.net>, <9CCC61DD86D67049B241705B6F03890B015745A70645@HSCSEMAIL41.hscs.virginia.edu> Message-ID: <7DAB2DA4-EA28-4710-8B57-E3784E17CB1F@comcast.net> I opted for the Black Powder Coated one from GoodParts, looks great, works fine, no upkeep required ... On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Ruffner, James A *HS wrote: > I thought that The Roadster Factory made a very nice plastic one that was > embossed with the same pattern as the original ones had. > ________________________________________ > From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of > oliver [sumton at sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:58 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net; Triumph 6 Pack > Subject: Re: [6pack] [TR] TR6 radiator shroud > > I have one, and its nice, but stainless is like chrome and takes a lot of > polishing. > > I would think you could go to a plastics supplier and using your old one > create a new one out of plastic. I don't know that it would be cheaper or > better tho > "Life is too short to drive Boring Cars" Bill Pugh Wallace, CA Casper 1957 TR3 TS16665L anabil007 at comcast.net From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 5 11:25:17 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 13:25:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] Installing wiper rack and wheelboxes Message-ID: <000001ccb37b$3f302190$bd9064b0$@net> Project is moving along - slowly oh so slowly.. What is the best way to install the Wiper Rack and Wheel boxes on a TR3A? Are there any BTDT issues. 1) Put it all together first (including grease), or 2) Install in sections. - Install the tubing and boxes then the rack (Grease as I go) 3) Demister vents installed or out (they are in but if it will make it a lot easier - not a biggie to take them back out). 4) I have the tubing from several - There are slight variations in the lengths. I can figure out the center and short end but does anyone have the measurement for the curved one - from wiper motor connection to the box? Thanks Carl From yellowtr at adelphia.net Mon Dec 5 12:59:24 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 14:59:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] Installing wiper rack and wheelboxes In-Reply-To: <000001ccb37b$3f302190$bd9064b0$@net> References: <000001ccb37b$3f302190$bd9064b0$@net> Message-ID: <4EDD229C.5030508@adelphia.net> Carl, It has been so long since I did the 3 I cant remember but on the 4 and 6, you cannot put it all together first and then install it. On the 4 and 6 you have to do it by sections working with the inspection covers off to gain access to both wheel boxes. Real PITA on both 4 and 6. Messy since everything is greased. Lots of colorful language was heard in the garage during installation. No measurements available sorry. Bob On 12/05/2011 01:25 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Project is moving along - slowly oh so slowly.. > > What is the best way to install the Wiper Rack and Wheel boxes on a TR3A? > Are there any BTDT issues. > > 1) Put it all together first (including grease), or > 2) Install in sections. - Install the tubing and boxes then the rack > (Grease as I go) > 3) Demister vents installed or out (they are in but if it will make it > a lot easier - not a biggie to take them back out). > 4) I have the tubing from several - There are slight variations in the > lengths. I can figure out the center and short end but does anyone have the > measurement for the curved one - from wiper motor connection to the box? > > Thanks > Carl From rcateb at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 14:25:51 2011 From: rcateb at comcast.net (rcateb at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:25:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR6 Brake Upgrade In-Reply-To: <69156963.679742.1323120029964.JavaMail.root@sz0066a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <216843589.680074.1323120351309.JavaMail.root@sz0066a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> On my 75 TR6 I did the Toyota 4 Runner calipers (4 pot calipers) and Toyota rotors (Corolla I believe that were vented) about 4 years ago. Cost was around $100 for the front. Replaced the rear cylinders with Alpine (7/8 inch I believe) cylinders to balance the system. Easy mod to the front with cutting off a small tab piece of the brake shield and the fitting on the hard brake line into the caliper. Repairing/replacing the Caliper and rotors with TR parts was easily 3 times the amount. The rotor also required some enlargement in the center hole to fit over the TR hub. This was easily completed with a die grinder and some filing. You may locate some postings on the TR sites for this setup however a lot of these tech mod write ups seem to have been redacted due to liability concerns. good luck. From auprichard at uprichard.net Mon Dec 5 14:34:48 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:34:48 -0500 Subject: [TR] Installing wiper rack and wheelboxes In-Reply-To: <4EDD229C.5030508@adelphia.net> References: <000001ccb37b$3f302190$bd9064b0$@net> <4EDD229C.5030508@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <57A72B29774E419C91647C3BCC52CDAC@DCH6RFC1> Carl: Having done the work on a TR3 as well as a TR250 (presumably similar to the TR6), I remember the TR3 being somewhat easier - although I made the installation of the wiper mechanisms job #1 after the cars were painted and so was not encumbered with any other clutter. My advice is (a) do it in stages (driver's side, then passenger, then affix the motor), (b) easier with demisters out, (c)I would have thought the optimal length for the curved piece is the one that fits best (trial and error). I have several pics from when I did this on my 3 if you want to email me off-list. Good luck ! Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Labuz Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:59 PM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Installing wiper rack and wheelboxes Carl, It has been so long since I did the 3 I cant remember but on the 4 and 6, you cannot put it all together first and then install it. On the 4 and 6 you have to do it by sections working with the inspection covers off to gain access to both wheel boxes. Real PITA on both 4 and 6. Messy since everything is greased. Lots of colorful language was heard in the garage during installation. No measurements available sorry. Bob On 12/05/2011 01:25 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Project is moving along - slowly oh so slowly.. > > What is the best way to install the Wiper Rack and Wheel boxes on a TR3A? > Are there any BTDT issues. > > 1) Put it all together first (including grease), or > 2) Install in sections. - Install the tubing and boxes then the rack > (Grease as I go) > 3) Demister vents installed or out (they are in but if it will make it > a lot easier - not a biggie to take them back out). > 4) I have the tubing from several - There are slight variations in the > lengths. I can figure out the center and short end but does anyone have the > measurement for the curved one - from wiper motor connection to the box? > > Thanks > Carl triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 15:58:34 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:58:34 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR_3_parts?= Message-ID: <20111205235825.B6D0718767A@autox.team.net> Hi guys, No monetary interest but Jeff at Kell6300 at gmail.com has quite a bit of TR3 bits for sale including good rear fenders and a left front fender. Need something, drop him a line. He's in the Carolinas I think. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bob Labuz" To: Cc: Subject: [TR] Installing wiper rack and wheelboxes Date: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 13:59 Carl, It has been so long since I did the 3 I cant remember but on the 4 and 6, you cannot put it all together first and then install it. On the 4 and 6 you have to do it by sections working with the inspection covers off to gain access to both wheel boxes. Real PITA on both 4 and 6. Messy since everything is greased. Lots of colorful language was heard in the garage during installation. No measurements available sorry. Bob On 12/05/2011 01:25 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Project is moving along - slowly oh so slowly.. > > What is the best way to install the Wiper Rack and Wheel boxes on a TR3A? > Are there any BTDT issues. > > 1) Put it all together first (including grease), or > 2) Install in sections. - Install the tubing and boxes then the rack > (Grease as I go) > 3) Demister vents installed or out (they are in but if it will make it > a lot easier - not a biggie to take them back out). > 4) I have the tubing from several - There are slight variations in the > lengths. I can figure out the center and short end but does anyone have the > measurement for the curved one - from wiper motor connection to the box? > > Thanks > Carl triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 5 16:26:59 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:26:59 -0600 Subject: [TR] FW: SU Carbs!?!?! Message-ID: <003401ccb3a5$6373a200$6601a8c0@bboffice> Hello list, Working on a friends car today. Got the SUs cleaned up and replaced a couple of questionable seals. All back together, no leaks, jets centered, slides sliding. Now I am ready to fine tune and sync them up. With linkages disconnected I and rev the motor to red line with the front carb and watch the slide gradually go up until only about 1/4" remains visible. However, with the rear it won't rev all the way and the slide will only go to the halfway mark. Both slides move up and down freely by hand. Check for air leaks & float levels, all appears to be good trying to do everything by the book. Any suggestions? Thanks, Bill From trguy at cfl.rr.com Mon Dec 5 16:27:51 2011 From: trguy at cfl.rr.com (James Henningsen) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:27:51 -0500 Subject: [TR] Lucas Pathfinder Message-ID: <03c301ccb3a5$820d0990$86271cb0$@rr.com> Does anyone know what was the first year for the Lucas Pathfinder 6 inch fog lights. I know there is an advertisement for 1964 but curious if they were around earlier. Jim Henningsen Maitland, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 5 17:18:17 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:18:17 -0800 Subject: [TR] FW: SU Carbs!?!?! In-Reply-To: <003401ccb3a5$6373a200$6601a8c0@bboffice> References: <003401ccb3a5$6373a200$6601a8c0@bboffice> Message-ID: <034101ccb3ac$8e230bb0$aa692310$@rr.com> > Any suggestions? Just don't do that! Have you checked compression, set the valves, etc.? By trying to rev to red line on only one carb, you are basically testing how strong those two cylinders are compared to the other two. I was taught that it was a Bad Thing to rev an engine that high without a load on it. Since it proves very little (I'm much more interested in how it runs under load), I've never found any good reason to do so. -- Randall From levilevi at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 19:05:06 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:05:06 -0700 Subject: [TR] Armstrong Front Shock Absorbers for TR4A, TR250, TR6 Message-ID: Can anyone confirm this statement I came across. "Armstrong brand GSA 272 front tube shocks are the brand that were originally installed at the Triumph factory." I know Armstrong made the rear lever arm shocks...I'm running those now with the Apple HD rebuild upgrade. Apparently Armstrong was bought out by Monroe and the front shocks haven't been made since 1991. I came across a pair of NOS shocks and thought I'd do a little research on them. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Dec 5 19:06:08 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:06:08 -0500 Subject: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) Message-ID: We are kicking around the idea of renting a RV to stay at the track at next years Mitty at Road Atlanta. There will be Triumphs there so that's my car content for this post. :) We were looking at Cruise America but I was reading reviews from a bunch of unhappy customers on line. Anybody have any experience on this sort of thing? Thanks,Marty From jeremiah at curryclan.net Mon Dec 5 19:03:09 2011 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:03:09 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> Message-ID: <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> Wow you must be a better mechanic than me (it doesn't take much) I have spent about 2 hours and have it to the point where I should be able to pull the head now. However I can't get it to budge, but just yanking on it. I tried tapping the head lightly with a hammer to see if it would loosen up, no luck. Is there a trick to getting the head to break loose? I am guessing it would be a bad idea to turn the engine over to do it with compression? Thanks, Jeremiah _____ From: Wbeech [mailto:wbeech at flash.net] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:21 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Joe Curry; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? You know you're going to have to pull the head, 45min, let us know what you find. Sure hope it is only the head gasket. Presumably when they magnafluxed the head it was checked for true at the same time. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote: Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it Jeremiah _____ From: Joe Curry Sent: 12/3/2011 12:21 PM To: 'Wbeech'; 'Jeremiah Curry' Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Could also be a cracked head. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into the combustion chamber. DTDT. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Howdy all, > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeremiah > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 5 19:36:03 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:36:03 -0600 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> Message-ID: All studs, thermostat housing, intake/exhaust manifold. I hope you are using a plastic or dead-blow hammer... not a big ole ball peener. I don' think I would use compression as this might cause the sleeves to move. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:03 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Wow you must be a better mechanic than me (it doesnbt take much) I have spent about 2 hours and have it to the point where I should be able to pull the head now. However I canbt get it to budge, but just yanking on it. I tried tapping the head lightly with a hammer to see if it would loosen up, no luck. Is there a trick to getting the head to break loose? I am guessing it would be a bad idea to turn the engine over to do it with compression? > > Thanks, > Jeremiah > > From: Wbeech [mailto:wbeech at flash.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:21 PM > To: Jeremiah Curry > Cc: Joe Curry; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > > You know you're going to have to pull the head, 45min, let us know what you find. > > Sure hope it is only the head gasket. Presumably when they magnafluxed the head it was checked for true at the same time. > > Bill > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote: > >> Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. >> >> i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it >> >> Jeremiah >> From: Joe Curry >> Sent: 12/3/2011 12:21 PM >> To: 'Wbeech'; 'Jeremiah Curry' >> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? >> >> Could also be a cracked head. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM >> To: Jeremiah Curry >> Cc: >> Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? >> >> Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into >> the >> combustion chamber. DTDT. >> >> Sent from mobile Bill >> >> On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" >> wrote: >> >> > Howdy all, >> > >> > >> > >> > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The >> > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, >> > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. >> > >> > >> > >> > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take >> a >> > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and >> > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, >> > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a >> blown >> > headgasked and not have those symptoms? >> > >> > >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Jeremiah >> > >> > >> > triumphs at autox.team.net >> > >> > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> > Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net >> >> >> triumphs at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From jeremiah at curryclan.net Mon Dec 5 19:48:26 2011 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:48:26 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> Message-ID: <56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter> I got the manifolds and thermostat housing off. I just took the head nuts off the studs. Do I need to take the studs off too? _____ From: Wbeech [mailto:wbeech at flash.net] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 7:36 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Joe Curry; Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? All studs, thermostat housing, intake/exhaust manifold. I hope you are using a plastic or dead-blow hammer... not a big ole ball peener. I don' think I would use compression as this might cause the sleeves to move. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 5, 2011, at 8:03 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: Wow you must be a better mechanic than me (it doesn't take much) I have spent about 2 hours and have it to the point where I should be able to pull the head now. However I can't get it to budge, but just yanking on it. I tried tapping the head lightly with a hammer to see if it would loosen up, no luck. Is there a trick to getting the head to break loose? I am guessing it would be a bad idea to turn the engine over to do it with compression? Thanks, Jeremiah _____ From: Wbeech [mailto:wbeech at flash.net] Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 5:21 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Joe Curry; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? You know you're going to have to pull the head, 45min, let us know what you find. Sure hope it is only the head gasket. Presumably when they magnafluxed the head it was checked for true at the same time. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 4:04 PM, Jeremiah Curry wrote: Someone else mentioned that if it is the headgasket I should see bubbles in the radiator with the cap off. Would that be true for the type of problem Bill mentioned? I don't, but i didn't let the motor get hot enough to open the themostat. i am hoping it isn't the head. I had it magnafluxed about 700 miles ago, they found cracks and welded them before rebuilding it Jeremiah _____ From: Joe Curry Sent: 12/3/2011 12:21 PM To: 'Wbeech'; 'Jeremiah Curry' Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Could also be a cracked head. -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:06 PM To: Jeremiah Curry Cc: Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Sure is, sounds like the break is just allowing coolant to be sucked into the combustion chamber. DTDT. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:34 PM, "Jeremiah Curry" wrote: > Howdy all, > > > > I while back I had some card trouble on a long drive to my new house. The > consensus was the my headgasket was blown. Usual symptons: overhating, > white smoke, steam or smoke coming from valve cover vent, etc. > > > > I had to park it while I got moved in and the other day I decided to take a > look at it, I drove it around the block and then looked at the oil and > coolant. I expected both to be cloudy, but they aren't. The oil is dark, > but not cloudy and the coolant looks clear. Is it possible to have a blown > headgasked and not have those symptoms? > > > > Thanks, > > Jeremiah > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From pethier at comcast.net Mon Dec 5 19:55:26 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 02:55:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <949323499.693210.1323140126944.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I can't share any experience with CruiseAmerica, but I have seen lots of them on the road out west. The occupants seemed to be smiling. When Sue and I went the 2009 VTR in California we checked with CruiseAmerica, but found that they would not allow a trailer weighing more than 2500 pounds. No way old Pace trailer with a TR4 inside was going to qualify. We rented from a local outfit (Two locations in Minnesota and Manitoba) which had a unit they would rent for a trailer up to 8000 pounds. If you are not taking a trailer, you options will be a lot wider than ours were. The outfit we rented from had a 5-day minimum. They waived it for the shakedown weekend we took The Rendezvous since we were taking the rig for 4 weeks for the VTR. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marty sukey" > To: "Triumph List" > Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 8:06:08 PM > Subject: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) > We are kicking around the idea of renting a RV to stay at the track at > next > years Mitty at Road Atlanta. There will be Triumphs there so that's my > car > content for this post. :) We were looking at Cruise America but I was > reading > reviews from a bunch of unhappy customers on line. Anybody have any > experience on this sort of thing? Thanks,Marty > > > triumphs at autox.team.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 5 19:56:45 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:56:45 -0600 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net><272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net><6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> Message-ID: use the rope trick to get the head off > >> Wow you must be a better mechanic than me (it doesnbt take much) I have > spent about 2 hours and have it to the point where I should be able to > pull > the head now. However I canbt get it to budge, but just yanking on it. > I > tried tapping the head lightly with a hammer to see if it would loosen up, > no > luck. Is there a trick to getting the head to break loose? I am guessing > it > would be a bad idea to turn the engine over to do it with compression? From cak at dimebank.com Mon Dec 5 20:03:47 2011 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:03:47 -0800 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EDD8613.1070909@dimebank.com> > Is there a trick to getting the head to break loose? There's the "rope trick". Turn the engine until 1 and 4 are at BTDC. Take a length of hemp rope - you'll need 20 feet perhaps - and shove it into the #1 and #4 spark plug holes, as much as you can. Ideally, you'll get an equal amount into each cylinder. Then try turning the engine with a breaker bar on the crankshaft nut. You'll compress the rope for a while - and then start pressing up on the cylinder head, more or less evenly. It might work. There's a good chance that you've got a lot of rust on the studs, and even if it's no longer rusted between the studs and the head, there will be a lot of friction to overcome. Good luck. Patience is your friend. From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Mon Dec 5 20:18:10 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:18:10 -0800 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> <56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter> Message-ID: <035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> > I got the manifolds and thermostat housing off. I just took the head > nuts > off the studs. Do I need to take the studs off too? No. I almost never remove the studs unless there is a problem, and even then I remove the head first. To loosen the head, I find that it is usually sufficient to gently pry between the bottom of the water outlet and the water pump housing. Once the front moves up a bit, wiggle it up and down while lifting on the rear, and it usually comes up. Don't forget it has to come up square, otherwise it will bind on the studs. However, if the head is stuck like that, then IMO the liners will be stuck as well, and not likely to move. -- Randall From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Tue Dec 6 17:00:33 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:00:33 -0700 Subject: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) In-Reply-To: <949323499.693210.1323140126944.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <949323499.693210.1323140126944.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM, wrote: > I can't share any experience with CruiseAmerica, but I have seen lots of > them on the road out west. The occupants seemed to be smiling. That's because they're German tourists who can't believe how cheap everything is over here. Geo From lgmtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 6 18:55:29 2011 From: lgmtr6 at yahoo.com (lgmtr6) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 01:55:29 +0000 Subject: [TR] Link to Technical Service Bulletins Message-ID: Does anyone have a link to the on-line TR6 TSB? Larry Miceli Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Tue Dec 6 22:35:54 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:35:54 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A sighting on TV Message-ID: Just saw a promo on TV for the American Giving Awards (Bob Costas hosting) . Just after the Costas shot there is an image of a black TR3A driving through a tunnel. No idea what it might have to do with the awards. just thought it interesting.. Carl From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 06:42:08 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 05:42:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Message-ID: <1323265328.91877.YahooMailNeo@web39411.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Holidays List! Chris K. wrote: It might work. There's a good chance that you've got a lot of rust on the studs, and even if it's no longer rusted between the studs and the head, there will be a lot of friction to overcome. My suggestion Jeremiah, is AFTER you remove the head, immediately 'lock down' the head as stated in the manual. I used large fender washers & pipe nipples (of the proper length that you can measure) topped with fender washers & nuts tightened down. Then cover the piston heads & any openings so, NO debris can fall inside them. Now clean down the head studs where the head goes, sometime before you install the new Head-gasket. Install new Head-gasket, followed by coating the studs where the head goes with some anti-seize grease BEFORE you place the head back on. This way it will be easier to remove the head the next time, IF NECESSARY. -Cosmo Kramer From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Wed Dec 7 08:02:21 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 09:02:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TR] Link to Technical Service Bulletins Message-ID: <24395057.501714.1323270141792.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Same question for TR3... thanks carl On 12/06/11, lgmtr6 wrote: Does anyone have a link to the on-line TR6 TSB? Larry Miceli Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 08:21:27 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 08:21:27 -0700 Subject: [TR] Link to Technical Service Bulletins In-Reply-To: <24395057.501714.1323270141792.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> References: <24395057.501714.1323270141792.JavaMail.root@vznit170080> Message-ID: <4EDF8477.2060201@gmail.com> On 12/7/11 8:02 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Same question for TR3... > thanks > carl > I have a number of them covering TR3's in my web site. http://www.expeditionlandrover.info/2trSite/Service_sheets.htm Teriann From moemorin at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 7 08:49:42 2011 From: moemorin at sbcglobal.net (M D MORIN) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:49:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Need a "push-pull" type 2 speed wiper switch Message-ID: <1323272982.87936.YahooMailNeo@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I have a 67 TR4a with a Lucas DR3A, 2-speed wiper motor. I need a push-pull type, 2-speed wiper switch... anybody have one, or know a source? Thanks, Moe Morin From spitlist at cox.net Wed Dec 7 09:01:49 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:01:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] Need a "push-pull" type 2 speed wiper switch In-Reply-To: <1323272982.87936.YahooMailNeo@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323272982.87936.YahooMailNeo@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0001B989FC544B29BE5E3BFC166F9F52@Vista> Isn't that the same one used on early Spitfires? JOe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of M D MORIN Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:50 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Need a "push-pull" type 2 speed wiper switch I have a 67 TR4a with a Lucas DR3A, 2-speed wiper motor. I need a push-pull type, 2-speed wiper switch... anybody have one, or know a source? Thanks, Moe Morin triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Wed Dec 7 12:03:17 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:03:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Chirping TR3 Message-ID: <1323284597.18461.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> The last few days my TR3 has been making a chirping now when I start it up. My initial assessment was that it must be a loose fan belt, but the chirping frequency doesn't change when the engine is revved. What else should I be looking for? -Bill in Tehachapi From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Wed Dec 7 12:05:07 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:05:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work Message-ID: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. -Bill in Tehachapi From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 7 12:16:36 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:16:36 -0800 Subject: [TR] Need a "push-pull" type 2 speed wiper switch In-Reply-To: <1323272982.87936.YahooMailNeo@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323272982.87936.YahooMailNeo@web83811.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04e001ccb514$bda8ee40$38facac0$@rr.com> > I have a 67 TR4a with a Lucas DR3A, 2-speed wiper motor. I need a push- > pull > type, 2-speed wiper switch... Isn't that the same switch used for the heater fan on TR6 and non-AC Stag? If so, I've got several that I don't need. -- Randall From anabil007 at comcast.net Wed Dec 7 12:42:48 2011 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:42:48 -0800 Subject: [TR] Chirping TR3 In-Reply-To: <1323284597.18461.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284597.18461.YahooMailRC@web83303.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On my TR3 it turned out to be the hood latch rod, the one in the middle with the spring under it ... a liberal spray of white lithium grease makes it go away ... until it starts again ... On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:03 AM, William Brewer wrote: > The last few days my TR3 has been making a chirping now when I start it up. > My initial assessment was that it must be a loose fan belt, but the chirping > frequency doesn't change when the engine is revved. What else should I be > looking for? > > -Bill in Tehachapi "Life is too short to drive Boring Cars" Bill Pugh Wallace, CA Casper 1957 TR3 TS16665L anabil007 at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 7 12:44:20 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:44:20 -0800 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> > I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list > drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I did. So there are at least two crazies left. And while it doesn't get as cold here as in Tehachapi, I also have no side curtains, no top, and no heater. -- Randall From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 7 12:53:41 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 14:53:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EDFC445.8010001@adelphia.net> Bill, We have already had snow so the road crews have put their salt and sand on the roads. This is the trigger to put the Triumphs in the garage for the winter. And since I am retired I don't have to drive to work anymore. But back in the day, I did not drive the 3 to work that often, maybe once or twice a season. And for the last 6 years I worked, My company used a parking garage in a not so good part of town so I could never drive any of the Triumphs to work. I did drive my T-Bird MC quite a bit because there were always a few MCs in the garage so I felt secure. With an early spring maybe middle of April, I will be back in the 3, 4 and 6 for another summer of Triumphs. Bob On 12/07/2011 02:05 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. > > -Bill in Tehachapi From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Wed Dec 7 13:41:04 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:41:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <21AA733D88F54491B7DB10B08B59F2D5@YOUR3BCD66A165> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <21AA733D88F54491B7DB10B08B59F2D5@YOUR3BCD66A165> Message-ID: <1323290464.95377.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> You're a brave one Bob! -Bill ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Annand To: William Brewer Sent: Wed, December 7, 2011 12:00:08 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work I am picking up a friend's TR3 tomorrow at the garage. It is fitted with Brooklands screens. We are in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Bob TS59977 ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Brewer" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:05 PM Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work > I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. > > -Bill in Tehachapi From tfansher at comcast.net Wed Dec 7 13:52:09 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> Message-ID: <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I drove the past two days, but highs about 80 FB B This is Florida and the time to drive our LBC's Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:44:20 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work > B B I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list > drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I did. B So there are at least two crazies left. And while it doesn't get as cold here as in Tehachapi, I also have no side curtains, no top, and no heater. -- Randall From sumton at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 7 13:50:10 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:50:10 -0600 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <4EDFC445.8010001@adelphia.net> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <4EDFC445.8010001@adelphia.net> Message-ID: well, I plan to take the tr6 out tonight. its close to freezing here in dallas. I know - it has a top and roll up windows. its almost a real car! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Bob Labuz" Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:53 PM To: Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work > Bill, > > We have already had snow so the road crews have put their salt and sand on > the roads. This is the trigger to put the Triumphs in the garage for the > winter. > > And since I am retired I don't have to drive to work anymore. > > But back in the day, I did not drive the 3 to work that often, maybe once > or twice a season. And for the last 6 years I worked, My company used a > parking garage in a not so good part of town so I could never drive any of > the Triumphs to work. I did drive my T-Bird MC quite a bit because there > were always a few MCs in the garage so I felt secure. > > With an early spring maybe middle of April, I will be back in the 3, 4 and > 6 for another summer of Triumphs. > > Bob > > On 12/07/2011 02:05 PM, William Brewer wrote: >> I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list >> drive a >> sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one >> or not. >> >> -Bill in Tehachapi From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 13:59:38 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:59:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1323291578.89554.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> drove my TR3 Saturday and Sunday morning. temps in teme have been as low as 28 recently. no top, no side screens. wore every thing in my closet! first time i met Randall was at the triumph club in lo angeles. it was a dark and stormy night. it was raining like it was England. there in the parking lot was a nice looking TR3. black soft top. missing at least one rear quarter light. no side screens. it may be southern California but we have lots of hardy northern stock of viking descent! ;-) ________________________________ From: "tfansher at comcast.net" To: Randall Cc: Triumphs Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work I drove the past two days, but highs about 80 FB B This is Florida and the time to drive our LBC's Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "Triumphs" Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 2:44:20 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work > B B I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list > drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I did. B So there are at least two crazies left. And while it doesn't get as cold here as in Tehachapi, I also have no side curtains, no top, and no heater. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From trglory at verizon.net Wed Dec 7 14:15:59 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joseph Laurito) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:15:59 -0500 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001501ccb525$6b679670$4236c350$@net> I drove my TR3 to work more times than I care to remember. I recall driving home from work one night about 8PM in an unexpected snow storm. I was actually plowing the snow with the front of my car, afraid to stop at intersections because I would never be able to get moving again. It wasn't a problem though, because I was the only fool on the road. The moon was new so the only light I had was the yellow glow from the wimpy headlights reflecting off the snow banks. No point in using the wipers....just kept a rag in my lap so I could wipe the fog from the windshield and the instruments. The snow was coming in through the ample gap between the windshield and the side curtains, hitting me in the side of the face. I had frozen snot hanging from my mustache and a burn mark on my right leg from the Smiths heater. The 20 mile trip was completed without incident and as I was pulling into the driveway I made a mental note to be sure to attend church on Sunday. I wasn't trying to be a he-man or a car nut, it was the only vehicle I owned at the time. What was so good about the good old days? Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:05 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. -Bill in Tehachapi From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 7 14:22:21 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:22:21 -0800 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323291578.89554.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1323291578.89554.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <04fd01ccb526$50335d70$f09a1850$@rr.com> > first time i met Randall was at the triumph club in lo angeles. it was > a dark and stormy night. it was raining like it was England. > there in the parking lot was a nice looking TR3. black soft top. If it was wearing a soft top, it wasn't my current TR3. It has never had the top bows or tenax fasteners installed since I've owned it. I do have a soft top from the wrecked 3A, but it is white and has all of the lights cut out; for use only as protection against the sun (although I did put it up once in a hail storm ). -- Randall From anncarletta at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 14:26:32 2011 From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:26:32 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Any Daimler information? Message-ID: <1323293192.39487.YahooMailNeo@web113819.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone know a list like this where I can ask questions about Daimlers? I have a 1965 2.5 V8 and am looking for info on wiper motors. Ann 1960 Triumph TR3A From agraham at execulink.com Wed Dec 7 14:29:03 2011 From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:29:03 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? Message-ID: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> Hello List: Trying to piece together an exhaust system from my collection of pipes and wondering if most 'early' side-screen cars had a resonator in the system? I have a TR4 resonator and pipe that I could adapt, but looking at my TR2 system, it doesn't look like it ever had a resonator. Have just been using the long pipe off the manifold for my running tests, so anxious to get a complete system on the car. All the best and thanks for any insights into this. Angelo Graham From Dave1massey at cs.com Wed Dec 7 14:31:25 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:31:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Chirping TR3 Message-ID: In a message dated 12/7/2011 1:28:43 PM Central Standard Time, wsb1960tr3a at att.net writes: > The last few days my TR3 has been making a chirping now when I start > it up. > My initial assessment was that it must be a loose fan belt, but the > chirping > frequency doesn't change when the engine is revved. What else should I be > looking for? > Exhaust leak? Does it change with throttle setting? As things warm up the gaskets may seal up as things expand. Dave From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 7 14:33:09 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:33:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <04fd01ccb526$50335d70$f09a1850$@rr.com> References: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1323291578.89554.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <04fd01ccb526$50335d70$f09a1850$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1323293589.93229.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> it was your old car Randall and it would have been about 6/7 years ago. it may have been the white top. memory fails sometimes. but it was you braving the weather unlike most of the others at that first meeting. ________________________________ From: Randall To: Cc: 'Triumphs' Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work > first time i met Randall was at the triumph club in lo angeles. it was > a dark and stormy night. it was raining like it was England. > there in the parking lot was a nice looking TR3. black soft top. If it was wearing a soft top, it wasn't my current TR3. It has never had the top bows or tenax fasteners installed since I've owned it. I do have a soft top from the wrecked 3A, but it is white and has all of the lights cut out; for use only as protection against the sun (although I did put it up once in a hail storm ). -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 7 14:56:09 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 16:56:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? In-Reply-To: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> References: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> Message-ID: <4EDFE0F9.8050808@adelphia.net> Angelo, If memory serves me right, the TR2 and the early TR3 had just a single muffler. It was a bit longer than the center muffler on the later TR3A and TR4s. Bob On 12/07/2011 04:29 PM, Angelo Graham wrote: > Hello List: > Trying to piece together an exhaust system from my collection of pipes > and wondering if most 'early' side-screen cars had a resonator in the > system? > I have a TR4 resonator and pipe that I could adapt, but looking at my > TR2 system, it doesn't look like it ever had a resonator. > Have just been using the long pipe off the manifold for my running > tests, so anxious to get a complete system on the car. > All the best and thanks for any insights into this. > Angelo Graham From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 14:56:17 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:56:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? In-Reply-To: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> References: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> Message-ID: At least some TR2's started life with one longish muffler - longer than the tr3 or tr4 - and no resonator. Back when I was 16 and viciously attacking the poor car - I replaced it with a cherry bomb glas pack - and it was too loud (aka. perfect) - apparently as my folks gave me a TR4 resonator for my birthday. It's still on there and in my opinion - sounds great. I think you'll be happy adding the resonator on as well - From what I recall the TR2 was quite loud with the stock muffler. or - mine had already rotted out from the inside.... Chris From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 14:58:59 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:58:59 -0500 Subject: [TR] Chirping TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Could be generator bearing or water pump bearings as well - any chance it could be belt squeal until things heat up a bit and grab? From wbeech at flash.net Wed Dec 7 15:01:40 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 16:01:40 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? In-Reply-To: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> References: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> Message-ID: <48CAFAC58729413F9523F77329263DE1@bboffice> According to the Moss catalog notes, the straight pipe was replaced by a resonator of the same length at TS2532. Personally, I bought the straight pipe for my TS30766 thinking that if it was too loud I could easily put the resonator, it sounds good to me or I have kept it as it this way. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Angelo Graham Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 3:29 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? Hello List: Trying to piece together an exhaust system from my collection of pipes and wondering if most 'early' side-screen cars had a resonator in the system? I have a TR4 resonator and pipe that I could adapt, but looking at my TR2 system, it doesn't look like it ever had a resonator. Have just been using the long pipe off the manifold for my running tests, so anxious to get a complete system on the car. All the best and thanks for any insights into this. Angelo Graham triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 7 15:19:26 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:19:26 -0800 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323293589.93229.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <04e401ccb518$a0d72a80$e2857f80$@rr.com> <770980240.889199.1323291128367.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <1323291578.89554.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <04fd01ccb526$50335d70$f09a1850$@rr.com> <1323293589.93229.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <051201ccb52e$4841d9e0$d8c58da0$@rr.com> > it was your old car Randall and it would have been about 6/7 years ago. Then I'm pretty sure it was just wearing a black tonneau cover; don't recall ever putting up the top on the drive to Maggie's nor ever leaving it parked with the top up. Without the sidecurtains & rear windows, the top was pretty much useless against rain; and I only carried it on long trips anyway. The tonneau would at least keep the seat dry while I was inside. Somewhere I have a photo of me showing up at the annual Teddy Bear Run in that car, in the rain, with my daughter hiding under the tonneau. -- Randall From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Wed Dec 7 15:27:30 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:27:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Any Daimler information? Message-ID: <91e51.5e9f97f4.3c114252@aol.com> Hi Ann; Is that a 250V8 saloon (sedan) or an SP250 (Dart) sports? If the former, I'd suggest communicating with the Jaguar clubs, as the parts you refer to are the same, I am sure (basically a Mark 2 Jag but with a glorious Daimler V8 engine). If the latter, I will get in touch with a friend of mine who has a similar car and ask the question. Kind regards; Tim in Ontario, Canada; '57 TR3A TS22930LO Carp Garden Centre & Kings Creek Nurseries _www.carpgardencentre.com, www.kingscreektrees.com_ (http://www.carpgardencentre.com, www.kingscreektrees.com) Phone/fax: 613 253 4126, Cell 613 913 5620 Proud member of several professional horticultural trade associations In a message dated 07/12/2011 4:26:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, anncarletta at yahoo.com writes: Does anyone know a list like this where I can ask questions about Daimlers? I have a 1965 2.5 V8 and am looking for info on wiper motors. Ann 1960 Triumph TR3A triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees at aol.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 7 15:30:50 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 14:30:50 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? In-Reply-To: References: <4EDFDA9F.7030805@execulink.com> Message-ID: <051601ccb52f$e2f43f90$a8dcbeb0$@rr.com> > At least some TR2's started life with one longish muffler - longer than > the > tr3 or tr4 - and no resonator. According to the workshop manual, it was the other way around. The early TR2s used a single 18" silencer; while later cars had a 24" silencer plus 12" resonator. The original mufflers were straight-through glasspacks, very similar in design (and performance IMO) to "Cherry Bombs" (a US brand of glasspack muffler). My TR3 is currently wearing two Cherry Bombs, both as long as will fit in the space (the rear one sticks out a bit), and the sound is just right IMO. The single Cherry Bomb I had on the TR3A was too loud for my (adult) tastes, especially as it had a tendency to set off car alarms. The current setup will only set off alarms if I'm very close and inside a garage or similar. -- Randall From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Wed Dec 7 15:33:08 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:33:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR 2/3 resonator in exhaust system? Message-ID: <922cf.674a9d08.3c1143a4@aol.com> Hi all; I have an early TR3A which was fitted with the forward silencer and the rear resonator as part of the tailpipe. The rear resonator rusted, so I replaced it with a TR2 one (i.e., just a pipe with a slight, and necessary, kink in it). The car is not too loud (but loud enough!!!) and I saved a few bucks. If rebuilding a sidescreen TR exhaust system, I'd definitely use the TR2 (i.e., no resonator) tailpipe. Tim in Ontario, Canada. TS22930LO. At least some TR2's started life with one longish muffler - longer than the tr3 or tr4 - and no resonator. Back when I was 16 and viciously attacking the poor car - I replaced it with a cherry bomb glas pack - and it was too loud (aka. perfect) - apparently as my folks gave me a TR4 resonator for my birthday. It's still on there and in my opinion - sounds great. I think you'll be happy adding the resonator on as well - From what I recall the TR2 was quite loud with the stock muffler. or - mine had already rotted out from the inside.... Chris triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees at aol.com From pethier at comcast.net Wed Dec 7 15:39:34 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 22:39:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Any Daimler information? In-Reply-To: <91e51.5e9f97f4.3c114252@aol.com> Message-ID: <526863828.794157.1323297574357.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I would post this on british-cars at autox.team.net Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com > To: anncarletta at yahoo.com, triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 4:27:30 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] Any Daimler information? > Hi Ann; > > Is that a 250V8 saloon (sedan) or an SP250 (Dart) sports? If the > former, > I'd suggest communicating with the Jaguar clubs, as the parts you > refer to > are the same, I am sure (basically a Mark 2 Jag but with a glorious > Daimler > V8 engine). If the latter, I will get in touch with a friend of mine > who has > a similar car and ask the question. > > Kind regards; > > Tim in Ontario, Canada; '57 TR3A TS22930LO > Carp Garden Centre & Kings Creek Nurseries > _www.carpgardencentre.com, www.kingscreektrees.com_ > (http://www.carpgardencentre.com, www.kingscreektrees.com) > Phone/fax: 613 253 4126, Cell 613 913 5620 > Proud member of several professional horticultural trade associations > > > > In a message dated 07/12/2011 4:26:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > anncarletta at yahoo.com writes: > > Does anyone know a list like this where I can ask questions about > Daimlers? I > have a 1965 2.5 V8 and am looking for info on wiper motors. > > Ann > > 1960 Triumph > TR3A > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees at aol.com > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From auprichard at uprichard.net Wed Dec 7 15:52:33 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 17:52:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <375FFB6E369E47DDB544FC4540027DEC@DCH6RFC1> I'd like to say I did, but I retired last year at the age of 52 so I could spend my days working on TRs. So no more driving to work.....early in the morning..........fighting rush-hour traffic........with that sinking feeling of what's today's crisis going to be........ Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of William Brewer Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:05 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. -Bill in Tehachapi triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From tr3a.60 at gmail.com Wed Dec 7 17:15:48 2011 From: tr3a.60 at gmail.com (John Wise) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:15:48 -0500 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I drive mine to work (a university where my students often ask me to bring it in) 8-10 times a year John On 7 Dec, 2011, at 2:05 PM, William Brewer wrote: > I drove my TR3A to work this morning. Did anyone else on the list drive a > sidescreen TR to work this morning? I am wondering if I am the last one or not. > > -Bill in Tehachapi > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60 at gmail.com John A. Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 Triumph TR3A Commission No: TS80422L http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ http://www.triumphowners.com/876 1977 Porsche 911S http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ From jeremiah at curryclan.net Wed Dec 7 20:04:39 2011 From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (Jeremiah Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:04:39 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: <035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net><272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net><6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter><56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter> <035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: Thanks Randall and everyone else for the advice. I was able to use the prying method and get the head off. Now I have the liners secured and covered. My question is how do I tell if the old gasket was bad? The cylinders and pistons are covered in a lot of carbon for an engine that has only driven about 700-1000 miles since the head was machined. However it was running rich that whole time. Or would driving with a blown gasket cause carbon buildup? It looks as if the gasket might be a little darker between two of the gaskets, is that a sign of leakage there? Thanks, Jeremiah -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:18 PM Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > I got the manifolds and thermostat housing off. I just took the head > nuts > off the studs. Do I need to take the studs off too? No. I almost never remove the studs unless there is a problem, and even then I remove the head first. To loosen the head, I find that it is usually sufficient to gently pry between the bottom of the water outlet and the water pump housing. Once the front moves up a bit, wiggle it up and down while lifting on the rear, and it usually comes up. Don't forget it has to come up square, otherwise it will bind on the studs. However, if the head is stuck like that, then IMO the liners will be stuck as well, and not likely to move. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah at curryclan.net From spitlist at cox.net Wed Dec 7 20:20:26 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 20:20:26 -0700 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net><272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net><6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter><56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter><035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: I'd have the head checked and not worry about the old gasket. You won't want to use it in any case. If the head checks good you will then want to reassemble it using a new gasket. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jeremiah Curry Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:05 PM To: 'Randall' Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? Thanks Randall and everyone else for the advice. I was able to use the prying method and get the head off. Now I have the liners secured and covered. My question is how do I tell if the old gasket was bad? The cylinders and pistons are covered in a lot of carbon for an engine that has only driven about 700-1000 miles since the head was machined. However it was running rich that whole time. Or would driving with a blown gasket cause carbon buildup? It looks as if the gasket might be a little darker between two of the gaskets, is that a sign of leakage there? Thanks, Jeremiah -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:18 PM Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > I got the manifolds and thermostat housing off. I just took the head > nuts > off the studs. Do I need to take the studs off too? No. I almost never remove the studs unless there is a problem, and even then I remove the head first. To loosen the head, I find that it is usually sufficient to gently pry between the bottom of the water outlet and the water pump housing. Once the front moves up a bit, wiggle it up and down while lifting on the rear, and it usually comes up. Don't forget it has to come up square, otherwise it will bind on the studs. However, if the head is stuck like that, then IMO the liners will be stuck as well, and not likely to move. -- Randall triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah at curryclan.net triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From fishplate at charter.net Wed Dec 7 20:44:20 2011 From: fishplate at charter.net (Jeff) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:44:20 -0500 Subject: [TR] Driving a Sidescreen TR to Work In-Reply-To: References: <1323284707.41492.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EE03294.6040004@charter.net> On 12/7/2011 7:15 PM, John Wise wrote: > I drive mine to work (a university where my students often ask me to bring it > in) 8-10 times a year Not a sidescreen anything, but I did drive my TR6 to work last Friday with the top down. Oh, and it was 27F. The proper clothing makes all the difference. Obligatory sidescreen content: I did put the windows up to block some of the wind. It sat all day in the parking lot next to an MGB. By the time I left to go home, it was 65F, and brilliantly sunny. Jeff Scarbrough Corrosion Acres, Ga. From tony at tonydrews.com Wed Dec 7 21:43:18 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:43:18 -0600 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net> <272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net> <6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter> <56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter> <035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <20111208044318.BFC3A18765D@autox.team.net> I've changed many a blown head gasket. In my case, it was normally a milky oil deal. Maybe one or two were blowing water out of the radiator instead of into the oil. At any rate, sometimes you can tell where it blew upon careful inspection of both sides of the gasket, sometimes it's a pure mystery. But, in every case replacing that sucker fixed me right up. On the race car we got to where we could do it in well under 2 hours, probably closer to 1.5 hours. That was with two motivated guys wrenching and another track session coming up. Tony Drews At 09:04 PM 12/7/2011, Jeremiah Curry wrote: >Thanks Randall and everyone else for the advice. > >I was able to use the prying method and get the head off. Now I have the >liners secured and covered. My question is how do I tell if the old gasket >was bad? The cylinders and pistons are covered in a lot of carbon for an >engine that has only driven about 700-1000 miles since the head was >machined. However it was running rich that whole time. Or would driving >with a blown gasket cause carbon buildup? It looks as if the gasket might >be a little darker between two of the gaskets, is that a sign of leakage >there? > >Thanks, >Jeremiah > >-----Original Message----- >From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall >Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:18 PM >Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >Subject: Re: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? > > > I got the manifolds and thermostat housing off. I just took the head > > nuts > > off the studs. Do I need to take the studs off too? > >No. I almost never remove the studs unless there is a problem, and even >then I remove the head first. > >To loosen the head, I find that it is usually sufficient to gently pry >between the bottom of the water outlet and the water pump housing. Once the >front moves up a bit, wiggle it up and down while lifting on the rear, and >it usually comes up. Don't forget it has to come up square, otherwise it >will bind on the studs. > >However, if the head is stuck like that, then IMO the liners will be stuck >as well, and not likely to move. > >-- Randall > > >triumphs at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jeremiah at curryclan.net > > >triumphs at autox.team.net > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From jtnichols at comcast.net Wed Dec 7 23:23:06 2011 From: jtnichols at comcast.net (John T Nichols) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 01:23:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction Message-ID: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> At the RM London Auction at Battersea Park three TRs from a private Swiss collection were sold: a '59 TR3A fetched $59,506, a '62 TR4 sold for $54,096, and a '67 TR5 for $52,293. There were no other details about the cars in the AutoWeek article about the sale. I can only hope that my '58 TR3A which was originally sold through a Swiss dealer could fetch as much but I suspect that it was not the "Swissness" of the cars that brought the high prices. John T. Nichols '58 TR3A TS32093L O '86 TVR 280i From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Thu Dec 8 00:10:29 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 02:10:29 -0500 Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> References: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> Message-ID: TR3: http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF11&CarID=r110&Currency=G BP was estimated at 18-22000GBP sold 36690GBP TR4: http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF11&CarID=r111&Currency=G BP was estimated at 20-25000 GBP sold 33600GBP TR5: http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF11&CarID=r112&Currency=G BP was estimated at 25-30000GBP sold 32480CBP Each has full details about the cars Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John T Nichols Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 1:23 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction At the RM London Auction at Battersea Park three TRs from a private Swiss collection were sold: a '59 TR3A fetched $59,506, a '62 TR4 sold for $54,096, and a '67 TR5 for $52,293. There were no other details about the cars in the AutoWeek article about the sale. I can only hope that my '58 TR3A which was originally sold through a Swiss dealer could fetch as much but I suspect that it was not the "Swissness" of the cars that brought the high prices. John T. Nichols '58 TR3A TS32093L O '86 TVR 280i triumphs at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From pebarnes71 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 04:47:01 2011 From: pebarnes71 at gmail.com (Philip Barnes) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 06:47:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: References: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Carl TR wrote > TR3: > > http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF11&CarID=r110&Currency=G > BP was estimated at 18-22000GBP sold 36690GBP > > If the car received such a meticulous restoration, why wasn't the paint and upholstery returned to original and why is it sporting a TR2 nose? It's clean, but wrong. Barnum was right again. --Phil Barnes, TR6 since 1977 From tr3a.60 at gmail.com Thu Dec 8 05:15:09 2011 From: tr3a.60 at gmail.com (John Wise) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 07:15:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: References: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64DDEFE2-8607-4B70-8A48-77662C78939D@gmail.com> Hey that looks ALMOST like mine!! :-) Well, there may be a few MINOR differences! :-) John On 8 Dec, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Philip Barnes wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:10 AM, Carl TR wrote > >> TR3: >> >> http://www.rmauctions.com/CarDetails.cfm?SaleCode=LF11&CarID=r110&Currency=G >> BP was estimated at 18-22000GBP sold 36690GBP >> >> > If the car received such a meticulous restoration, why wasn't the paint and > upholstery returned to original and why is it sporting a TR2 nose? It's > clean, but wrong. Barnum was right again. > > --Phil Barnes, TR6 since 1977 > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr3a.60 at gmail.com John A. Wise Ormond Beach, FL 1960 Triumph TR3A Commission No: TS80422L http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/ http://www.triumphowners.com/876 1977 Porsche 911S http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/ From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 8 06:23:33 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:23:33 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: References: <4EE057CA.5030307@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1323350613.16536.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> One feature of Standard-Triumph's Swiss importer was that he had a true penchant for all TR models and followed a policy of intentionally restricting supply to force up prices. Equally, he tended to sell his 'rationed' cars only to people he knew and who were wealthy. That latter criteria applies to quite a number of residents in Switzerland anyway so it's a bit of a no-brainer. Of course, we don't know what happened to the cars in the interim. However, it was a widely known fact among UK manufacturers that many 'desirable' cars exported to Switzerland had an almost zero level of warranty claims, whereas other more popular makes like S-T's saloon cars and also for BMC and Rootes Group had a normal warranty claim level. This situation suggests the 'collector' cars now coming on the market originate from many different private collections and their use when new, was either minimal or zero, in terms of component failure. I remember when the TR5 first appeared, that we sold probably 30 of them out of the London showroom over a few months to a small group of Swiss businessmen (all posing as individuals) on the Personal Export scheme which they immediately went on to re-sell to Swiss residents at very inflated prices. That initiative on our part as 'hungry car salesmen' saw the importer flying to the UK and laying down the law in Coventry about what he called "territorial infringement." OK, he always got a 2.5% infringement commission when we sold any car into his market - but he was making a lot more %'s than just 2.5 doing things *his* way.. However, with that embargo imposed from on high, the businessmen continued to call and instead of writing Switzerland as the destination market, we used France, Germany, Austria and Italy instead and the importers in those countries got 2.5% for a car that never went near them! Eventually, it got just too awkward with the names of people buying up to six cars a year and again, we got our knuckles rapped. As I recall, all cars in the early stages were Valencia Blue / Tan with no overdrive and 'rattly' Rostyle covers. Any more out there coming for auction? Maybe ex-London Showroom "fruits of our sales." Jonmac www.standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 8 12:18:52 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:18:52 -0800 Subject: [TR] blown headgasket without milky coolant or oil? In-Reply-To: References: <0MGAuN-1RcCcU2pMd-00F1fD@mrelay.perfora.net><272F56D2-50CE-41FA-84C6-0D60BE43B1C4@flash.net><6A9EE9EB395D482290ADF8E087E33812@mediacenter><56CB374347CC4E6BA27CCA4C9F60F0A2@mediacenter><035b01ccb3c5$afceb2f0$0f6c18d0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <05ca01ccb5de$392624b0$ab726e10$@rr.com> > I'd have the head checked and not worry about the old gasket. I agree. It's not always apparent where it was leaking. But be sure to check the liner protrusion on both sides. Two engines in a row now (for me) have had the top of the block not quite square to the liner bores, with the result that the protrusion appears to be adequate if measured on one side, inadequate if measured on the other side. I chased leaking head gaskets for a long time before I figured that one out! The "right" way to fix this problem, if you have it, is to have the block re-machined or find another block. I didn't want to do that, so I tried this approach instead: http://tinyurl.com/3m2tzp3 It was originally intended as a temporary fix, but since it never failed, it became kind of permanent. I even reused the gasket once and no leaks. -- Randall From dctr6 at optonline.net Thu Dec 8 12:26:05 2011 From: dctr6 at optonline.net (Dennis Culligan) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 14:26:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction Message-ID: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> Philip Barnes wrote: > >If the car received such a meticulous restoration, why wasn't the paint and upholstery returned to original. Isn't that color usually referred to as "Re-sale Red"? Dennis Culligan, Highland NY/ 1976 TR6 CF57948U (in its' original Tahiti Blue) From wbeech at flash.net Thu Dec 8 15:11:34 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:11:34 -0600 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> References: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> Message-ID: <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> Or the front clip? Interesting that the narrative goes into detail about the greatness of the 3A opening and grill for a car that does not have one. Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Dennis Culligan wrote: > Philip Barnes wrote: > > > > >> If the car received such a meticulous restoration, why wasn't the paint and > upholstery returned to original. > > > > Isn't that color usually referred to as "Re-sale Red"? > > > > Dennis Culligan, Highland NY/ 1976 TR6 CF57948U (in its' original Tahiti > Blue) > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From trglory at verizon.net Thu Dec 8 17:59:16 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joseph Laurito) Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:59:16 -0500 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> References: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> Message-ID: <009701ccb60d$c6c94110$545bc330$@net> There's a few of us trying to figure out how many TR3s we can stuff in a shipping container. All of a sudden I'm feeling rich. Cha-ching!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:12 PM To: Dennis Culligan Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction Or the front clip? Interesting that the narrative goes into detail about the greatness of the 3A opening and grill for a car that does not have one. Sent from mobile Bill From wbeech at flash.net Thu Dec 8 18:03:05 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 19:03:05 -0600 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: <009701ccb60d$c6c94110$545bc330$@net> References: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> <009701ccb60d$c6c94110$545bc330$@net> Message-ID: Six in 20 footer, 3x2 Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Laurito" wrote: > There's a few of us trying to figure out how many TR3s we can stuff in a > shipping container. All of a sudden I'm feeling rich. Cha-ching!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:12 PM > To: Dennis Culligan > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction > > Or the front clip? Interesting that the narrative goes into detail about > the > greatness of the 3A opening and grill for a car that does not have one. > > Sent from mobile Bill From rsuncloud at aol.com Thu Dec 8 22:07:30 2011 From: rsuncloud at aol.com (rsuncloud at aol.com) Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:07:30 -0800 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: References: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> <009701ccb60d$c6c94110$545bc330$@net> Message-ID: I love to read the sagas but owning both a TR3 and a 20' I can say that you can get 2 but it would be tough.......oh did I mention the math? Sent from my iPad On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Wbeech wrote: > Six in 20 footer, 3x2 > > > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Laurito" wrote: > >> There's a few of us trying to figure out how many TR3s we can stuff in a >> shipping container. All of a sudden I'm feeling rich. Cha-ching!!!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:12 PM >> To: Dennis Culligan >> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction >> >> Or the front clip? Interesting that the narrative goes into detail about >> the >> greatness of the 3A opening and grill for a car that does not have one. >> >> Sent from mobile Bill > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rsuncloud at aol.com From wbeech at flash.net Fri Dec 9 09:08:16 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:08:16 -0600 Subject: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction In-Reply-To: References: <001e01ccb5df$3b43df20$b1cb9d60$@net> <2CB555DB-39A7-4A59-83B8-FC3CEC9B547F@flash.net> <009701ccb60d$c6c94110$545bc330$@net> Message-ID: <18E3689A76F849659BDF979D22DEF1C8@bboffice> Stack 'em 3 high... -----Original Message----- From: rsuncloud at aol.com [mailto:rsuncloud at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 11:08 PM To: Wbeech Cc: Joseph Laurito; ; Dennis Culligan Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction I love to read the sagas but owning both a TR3 and a 20' I can say that you can get 2 but it would be tough.......oh did I mention the math? Sent from my iPad On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Wbeech wrote: > Six in 20 footer, 3x2 > > > > Sent from mobile Bill > > On Dec 8, 2011, at 6:59 PM, "Joseph Laurito" wrote: > >> There's a few of us trying to figure out how many TR3s we can stuff >> in a shipping container. All of a sudden I'm feeling rich. Cha-ching!!!!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Wbeech >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:12 PM >> To: Dennis Culligan >> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] {TR} TRs at Auction >> >> Or the front clip? Interesting that the narrative goes into detail >> about the greatness of the 3A opening and grill for a car that does >> not have one. >> >> Sent from mobile Bill > > > triumphs at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rsuncloud at aol.com From spitlist at cox.net Fri Dec 9 18:26:04 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 18:26:04 -0700 Subject: [TR] 50th anniversary Spitfire commemorative decals Message-ID: As many of you probably already know, I have made up a batch of static cling decals commemorating the 50's anniversary of the introduction of the Triumph Spitfire. Sales have been strong but several people have asked about sticky-back decals so I have been considering putting together a production run of those as well. Several people in the FOT have already put in their orders. So in order to keep production costs down, I want to do all them in one production run. Toward that end, I have 3 sizes that I can produce together in the same run. Here are the details: Size Cost 11.6" wide by 6.3" high $25.00 each 10" wide by 5.5" high $22.50 each 6.75" wide by 3.75" high $12.00 each Plans are to do the run in mid January because of he time of the year and all the hassles concerning that. So if anyone wants to get in on this single production run, please notify me before the first week in January. The image can be seen at the following web site (scroll to the bottom) http://spitlist.info/centercaps.html Regards, Joe Curry From auprichard at uprichard.net Fri Dec 9 14:01:37 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 16:01:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] wiring question Message-ID: I am wiring the ignition on my 250 and have located the corresponding section of the harness. As expected, there is a brown (live) two whites (ignition) and a white/red (starter). But there is also a green: does anyone know why this is so? I thought green was equivalent to a post-fuse white, i.e., those things like lights and turn signals which operate with the ignition on. Thanks in advance for any advice. Andrew Uprichard From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 10 12:13:30 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 14:13:30 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A head gasket Message-ID: <99B12CC72F6E4EBFB63408422DA28F35@AlexPC> Quick question on replacing the head gasket on my 59 TR3A. Is any sealant used when reinstalling. if yes, both sides? I have removed the head and will detail later this evening. Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A From cofrog at q.com Sat Dec 10 13:49:20 2011 From: cofrog at q.com (cofrog at q.com) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 15:49:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] The Pits Message-ID: <1408698569.1842853.1323550160477.JavaMail.root@md04.quartz.synacor.com> My TR4A engine is disassembled. Some cam lobes and followers show pitting. Does anyone have a good stock cam core that is suitable for a regrind for a replacement racing cam? Any input or experience in have a cam and/or followers nitrited or a coating applied to lessen wear? Thanks, Dan Forgey From tr3a58 at verizon.net Sat Dec 10 15:35:57 2011 From: tr3a58 at verizon.net (Dean Tetterton) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:35:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TR] wiring question Message-ID: <20191409.41982.1323556557278.JavaMail.root@vms170015> /dNDmLN: Permission denied From JGILLIS at tcd.ie Sat Dec 10 15:38:43 2011 From: JGILLIS at tcd.ie (John Gillis) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:38:43 +0000 Subject: [TR] Re Head Gasket Message-ID: On both occasions of replacing the head on my TR2 I have used a thin layer of Wellaseal on both sides, seems to do the job, and when I had to remove it the first time it did not cause any difficulties. Regards John From pethier at comcast.net Sat Dec 10 15:59:56 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:59:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <118911197.930383.1323557996743.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geo Hahn" > To: "Triumphs" > Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 6:00:33 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] RV Rental (kind of Triumph related) > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:55 PM, wrote: > > > I can't share any experience with CruiseAmerica, but I have seen > > lots of > > them on the road out west. The occupants seemed to be smiling. > > > > That's because they're German tourists who can't believe how cheap > everything is over here. And some of them are just plain crazy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier/6254002907/ Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Dec 10 16:29:41 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 16:29:41 -0700 Subject: [TR] [6pack] Armstrong Front Shock Absorbers for TR4A, TR250, TR6 In-Reply-To: <001801ccb608$c8457310$6401a8c0@willscomputer> References: <001801ccb608$c8457310$6401a8c0@willscomputer> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for an enlightening discussion about Armstrong Front Shocks. One thing I found was that British Parts Northwest, Rimmer Bros., (and probably others) sell shocks with the GSA272 part number. They fit TR4A-TR6s. Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Dec 8, 2011, at 5:23 PM, EdB wrote: > Dick: > > Sorry, but I miss-used the word "set" for "pair". All the figures > given are for a "pair" of Koni's. > > 1973 price per pair - $86 > 1973 price per pair if paid with 2011 dollars - $443.76. > 2011 price in 2011 dollars - $231 on sale at Koni USA. > > And that is what inflation did to the dollar. > > Ed Bratt > Regina, Saskatchewan > > 1976 TR6 > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sally or Dick Taylor" > > To: "EdB" ; "Bob" > Cc: ; <6pack at autox.team.net> > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 5:39 PM > Subject: Re: [6pack] Armstrong Front Shock Absorbers for TR4A, > TR250, TR6 > > >> Ed---The $86 was for a pair of Konis. >> >> Dick >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: EdB >> Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 1:18 PM >> To: Bob, Sally or Dick Taylor >> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [6pack] Armstrong Front Shock Absorbers for TR4A, >> TR250, TR6 >> >> Bob: >> >> The 1973 dollar had the same buying power as $5.16 does in 2011 , >> so a set >> of Koni's today is actually selling for far less than they were in >> 1973, at >> $231 a pair. >> >> The 1973 price, if paid in 2011 dollars, would be $443.76. >> >> >> >> Ed Bratt >> Regina, Saskatchewan >> >> 1976 TR6 >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob" >> To: "Sally or Dick Taylor" >> Cc: ; <6pack at autox.team.net> >> Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:08 PM >> Subject: Re: [6pack] Armstrong Front Shock Absorbers for TR4A, >> TR250, TR6 >> >> >>> ...I only wish koni shocks were still only $86 >>> Bob >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 4S >>> >>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Sally or Dick Taylor >> > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Bud---I still have the "Blue" Armstrong shocks that came with my >>>> '73, in >>>> a >>> box somewhere. I replaced them with a pair of Konis in 1983 and >>> they're >>> still >>> on the front. Best $86 I ever spent on the car. Adjust them once >>> about 10 >>> years ago. Still doing the job. >>>> >>>> Dick >>>> >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> >>>> 6pack at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bobfabie at gmail.com >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> 6pack at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/bratt at sasktel.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4667 - Release Date: >>> 12/08/11 >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4668 - Release Date: >> 12/08/11 > > ________________________________________ > > 6pack at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/levilevi at comcast.net From tony at tonydrews.com Sat Dec 10 16:35:01 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:35:01 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3A head gasket In-Reply-To: <99B12CC72F6E4EBFB63408422DA28F35@AlexPC> References: <99B12CC72F6E4EBFB63408422DA28F35@AlexPC> Message-ID: <20111210233516.DCA3118765F@autox.team.net> No sealant is specifically required, however I use Edelbrock's Gaskacinch. It looks kinda like rubber cement - you lightly coat the block and head and both sides of the gasket (sealing surfaces only) - let set for 5 minutes before assembly. Tony Drews At 01:13 PM 12/10/2011, Alex wrote: >Quick question on replacing the head gasket on my 59 TR3A. Is any sealant >used when reinstalling. if yes, both sides? > >I have removed the head and will detail later this evening. > >Thx, >Alex Manzo >59 TR3A From trglory at verizon.net Sat Dec 10 18:05:25 2011 From: trglory at verizon.net (Joseph Laurito) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 20:05:25 -0500 Subject: [TR] Brake Caliper Clearance In-Reply-To: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com> References: <2BBD413D-F9B1-4BF1-A58B-94BF9F7DE822@aol.com> Message-ID: <003e01ccb7a0$f7b4e6a0$e71eb3e0$@net> Sam; The shims center the caliper on the rotor. If the outside drops in but the inside does not fit, add a shim to the caliper. If the inside drops in but the outside does not fit, remove a shim from the caliper. Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sam Clark Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:15 AM To: fot at autox.team.net; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Brake Caliper Clearance Tonight I was replacing my front brake pads to a higher performance version in preparation for a track day and encountered problems with the RH side. I attempted to do this in situ. LH side went well with the shims and pads going in ok. LH side has been problematic. The outer pad falls in but the inner one won't go in. Took the caliper off and manually pushed the pistons in. That didn't help. Upon closer inspection, the caliper is not centered with the rotor. Has anyone else had this problem? Should I shim the caliper to gain clearance? It needs to be moved to the center of the car. This is on a '72 TR6. Should I just have a brake shop take off .010 of the pad and be done with it? TIA Sam Clark From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 10 19:19:34 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:19:34 -0500 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago Message-ID: Today a friend and I pulled the head on my 59 TR3. This is the car with the condensation on the carbs, oil dripping from the engine vent tube and the cloud of white smoke out the back upon acceleration.. Here's what we found by pulling the head off. 1.. The head bolts appeared to be very loose compared to what force it took to torque the head bolt to 105 lbs. To torque we did this in three passes starting at 40 lbs then 70 then 105 lbs. 2.. The head itself lifted right up after applying a large screw driver under the thermostat housing. After wedging a flat screw driver between the head and the block at the rear of the head, (distributor side) the whole head was free. Lifted it right off. NO string, or pounding or difficulty at all. 3.. The head gasket appeared not to be damaged anywhere. 4.. The sleeves showed a gap to the block from anywhere between .000" and .006", with the average around .005" 5.. The cylinder walls were super clean with no marking anywhere. Still had nice cross hatching from the hone. 6.. The # 3 cylinder with the 55-60 lbs compression showed that the intake valve was wet....with gas/oil. Took this one out and inspected the seat. Perfectly clean. Cleaned up the bottom and top of the valve and reinstalled. 7.. All valves looked normal. 8.. The book calls for coating the gasket with wellseal. Used blue hylomar by permatex. So we cleaned the head and block deck. Installed a new head gasket after applying hylomar to both sides of the gasket. Torgued the head. Tomorrow we will install the valve train and check compression to see if there is any improvement in #3 cylinder. Our initial belief is the head was not torqued to spec. We'll see tomorrow. Note-hylomar at Advanced Auto sells for $11.99 per 1-1/2oz tube. They are discontinuing it and is now on sale for $1.98/tube. That is if they have it. Had to go to two store. Stay tuned..... Alex Manzo 59 TR3A From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 10 19:25:14 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:25:14 -0500 Subject: [TR] [Bulk] Re: TR3A head gasket In-Reply-To: References: <99B12CC72F6E4EBFB63408422DA28F35@AlexPC> Message-ID: <3A524BA36FA049DD8A41A424304E86FA@AlexPC> Wanted to thank everyone for feedback on the coating for the head. I was at the point of reinstalling the head and unfortunately had no responses yet. Something I should have asked way before pulling the head. Went with hylomar as a substitute for wellseal that the book recommended. Anyway, it appeared that the head was not torqued properly, so I went with the reinstall with a new gasket. If there is no improvement it looks likes magna fluxing the end may be in order. A calculated gamble based on initial findings. Thanks again, Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: tedsimx at bright.net To: Alex Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2011 7:25 PM Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TR] TR3A head gasket Alex, no sealant should be used. We have good quality head gaskets. While the head is off, you should have it magnafluxed and pressure tested. Magaflux detects external cracks and pressure testing detects internal cracks. Please let me know if we can help. Ted Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: Alex To: *Triumphs List Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2011 19:13:30 GMT+00:00 Subject: [TR] TR3A head gasket Quick question on replacing the head gasket on my 59 TR3A. Is any sealant used when reinstalling. if yes, both sides? I have removed the head and will detail later this evening. Thx, Alex Manzo 59 TR3A From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 10 20:08:40 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 21:08:40 -0600 Subject: [TR] anyone in the san antonio area In-Reply-To: References: <001801ccb608$c8457310$6401a8c0@willscomputer> Message-ID: there's a car down there, south of SA, and I was hoping I could offer to pay for the gas/expenses of someone to look at it for me. dave northrup dallas, tx 214-394-8296 From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 11 05:39:26 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:39:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A Head gasket Update #2 Message-ID: <2AC655A987004852A8D7A3295C2C2317@AlexPC> Hi Michael, > Two observations: first, the amount the cylinders are standing proud of > the block deck is too much. IIRC, 0.002-0.003" is probably the > optimum. You also need to check the distance at more than one > location--at least, both left and right sides of the block, since there > were at minimum a few blocks that were not milled parallel to the > cylinder seating lands. There was only one cylinder that was .006", the others were in the .005 range with two at .000". I believe the manual called for .0055 max. The cylinders were checked at every 90 degrees to the block, effectively providing 4 location check points. A straight edge was used to check both rock and to measure cylinder clearance from the block deck. You might also want to put a straightedge along > the block at various places to see if there's any warpage (same thing > with the head). See #1 above. This was accomplished actually with two machinist straight edges. One 6" and one 12" straight edge. Second, if you're certain that the head nuts were > torqued as you described, it's possible that the studs are stretching. > If the nuts have been over-torqued in the past (say, if someone oiled > the threads when the spec requires dry threads), it's possible the studs > have yielded, which means that they will continue stretching under load, > effectively reducing the clamping force on the head. It would be wise > to measure the studs against a known good stud. A stud noticeably longer > than the good one (more than, say, 0.010-0.015") has probably failed. > In the 80's the engine was rebuilt and placed back in the car with minimal drive time. I believe now that the head was never re-torqued. The torque procedure is a standard procedure and the sequencing was checked against the manual. After removing the studs they were dried and reinstalled dry. I know you were referring to the initial installation, but we also followed this procedure now. And in all honesty we talked about oiling them, but forgot to. So they went back in dry. Last, when using fiber/composite gaskets, don't blow through the head > torquing one cycle after the other--take a few minutes off between each > round to give the gasket a chance to compress fully and settle in. On > the last pass, wait a few minutes and then check them again. Any nut > that requires additional torquing after the third and last (105 lb-ft) > round of torquing may indicate a yielded stud. The head gasket is a copper one from a Curty-JMF head kit supplied by Triumph dealers during the 70's-80's. I have three head set kits that I received with the car. (another story) There was a delay between sequences...and this was more dumb luck as opposed to tactical planning, as both of us switched to take a break. It was amazing the effort required to torque all head bolts to spec. Our plans after checking compression is to run the car to temperature and then re-torque or at least check it again along with doing a proper check on all valves, etc. Everything was completed prior to receiving this email, so time will tell if we got it right. Thanks for the excellent feedback. Alex > > Cheers. > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 11 06:44:48 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:44:48 -0600 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111211134501.87F3C187660@autox.team.net> I wonder if the head re-torque after warming up the engine hadn't been done. I'm always amazed at how much movement I get on the second torqueing. Also, 0.006" difference in liner protrusion between two adjacent liners is not ideal. A little difference from side to side will work as long as it's consistent. 0" protrusion isn't great. You may want to try Randall's trick of the thin copper wire glued / soldered to the head gasket. Tony Drews At 08:19 PM 12/10/2011, Alex wrote: >Today a friend and I pulled the head on my 59 TR3. > > This is the car with the condensation on the carbs, oil dripping from the >engine vent tube and the cloud of white smoke out the back upon >acceleration.. > >Here's what we found by pulling the head off. > 1.. The head bolts appeared to be very loose compared to what force it took >to torque the head bolt to 105 lbs. To torque we did this in three passes >starting at 40 lbs then 70 then 105 lbs. > 2.. The head itself lifted right up after applying a large screw driver >under the thermostat housing. After wedging a flat screw driver between the >head and the block at the rear of the head, (distributor side) the whole head >was free. Lifted it right off. NO string, or pounding or difficulty at all. > 3.. The head gasket appeared not to be damaged anywhere. > 4.. The sleeves showed a gap to the block from anywhere between .000" and >.006", with the average around .005" > 5.. The cylinder walls were super clean with no marking anywhere. Still had >nice cross hatching from the hone. > 6.. The # 3 cylinder with the 55-60 lbs compression showed that the intake >valve was wet....with gas/oil. Took this one out and inspected the seat. >Perfectly clean. Cleaned up the bottom and top of the valve and reinstalled. > 7.. All valves looked normal. > 8.. The book calls for coating the gasket with wellseal. Used blue hylomar >by permatex. >So we cleaned the head and block deck. Installed a new head gasket after >applying hylomar to both sides of the gasket. Torgued the head. Tomorrow we >will install the valve train and check compression to see if there is any >improvement in #3 cylinder. > >Our initial belief is the head was not torqued to spec. We'll see tomorrow. > >Note-hylomar at Advanced Auto sells for $11.99 per 1-1/2oz tube. They are >discontinuing it and is now on sale for $1.98/tube. That is if they have it. >Had to go to two store. > >Stay tuned..... >Alex Manzo >59 TR3A > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From auprichard at uprichard.net Sun Dec 11 07:38:01 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:38:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] [6pack] wiring question In-Reply-To: <1323607440.61423.YahooMailNeo@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <1323607440.61423.YahooMailNeo@web36106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1431D739886344DAA9A0770D26F53F2C@DCH6RFC1> Thanks for the feedback. The general consensus is that the green feeds the fan motor. You guys are great - Marry Christmas! Andrew _____ From: Dale [mailto:tpdwinch at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 7:44 AM To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] wiring question Andrew In Dan Master's book, for TR 250's and early TR-6's, there is no green wire going to the ignition switch. Are you sure that a PO did not place this there or that is not a lead going to the fan motor? Dale From: Andrew Uprichard To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Friday, December 9, 2011 4:01 PM Subject: [6pack] wiring question I am wiring the ignition on my 250 and have located the corresponding section of the harness. As expected, there is a brown (live) two whites (ignition) and a white/red (starter). But there is also a green: does anyone know why this is so? I thought green was equivalent to a post-fuse white, i.e., those things like lights and turn signals which operate with the ignition on. Thanks in advance for any advice. Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/tpdwinch at yahoo.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 11 09:41:09 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 08:41:09 -0800 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008301ccb823$b00f4a60$0201a8c0@randall> > 4.. The sleeves showed a gap to the block from anywhere > between .000" IMO that will never hold, at least not for very long. > 6.. The # 3 cylinder with the 55-60 lbs compression showed > that the intake > valve was wet....with gas/oil. Took this one out and > inspected the seat. > Perfectly clean. What about the exhaust valve? The intake being wet likely just indicates that the cylinder wasn't running last time you started the engine. But my guess would be a broken ring or piston land. -- Randall From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 11 10:02:56 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:02:56 -0500 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: <008301ccb823$b00f4a60$0201a8c0@randall> References: <008301ccb823$b00f4a60$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Hi Randall, First off.....I gave bad info on the proud........3 were .006" and 1 was .0055. Reassembled and checked compression. No change......... Pulled exhaust valve in the cylinder in question and the one next to it and both looked the same. Rechecked flatness of head and deck with a straight edge and feeler gauges and could not get a .001" feeler under the straight edge. Looking like rings at this point. Did determine that the engine has 86mm pistons.... with the following info on the top of the pistons..... BOTT-OC45 RA5228 STD. Any info on these pistons as far as 3 or 4 ring pistons? Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "'*Triumphs List'" Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago >> 4.. The sleeves showed a gap to the block from anywhere >> between .000" > > IMO that will never hold, at least not for very long. > >> 6.. The # 3 cylinder with the 55-60 lbs compression showed >> that the intake >> valve was wet....with gas/oil. Took this one out and >> inspected the seat. >> Perfectly clean. > > What about the exhaust valve? The intake being wet likely just indicates > that the cylinder wasn't running last time you started the engine. But my > guess would be a broken ring or piston land. > > -- Randall From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sun Dec 11 10:11:32 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 12:11:32 -0500 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: References: <008301ccb823$b00f4a60$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <4EE4E444.1040500@adelphia.net> Alex, No idea on the pistons but maybe a leak down test is the best way to determine why #3 is still low compression. I think Randall may have hit it with a broken ring unless you have a crack in the head. Bob On 12/11/2011 12:02 PM, Alex wrote: > Hi Randall, > First off.....I gave bad info on the proud........3 were .006" and 1 > was .0055. > > Reassembled and checked compression. No change......... > > Pulled exhaust valve in the cylinder in question and the one next to > it and both looked the same. > > Rechecked flatness of head and deck with a straight edge and feeler > gauges and could not get a .001" feeler under the straight edge. > > Looking like rings at this point. > > Did determine that the engine has 86mm pistons.... with the following > info on the top of the pistons..... > > BOTT-OC45 RA5228 STD. > > Any info on these pistons as far as 3 or 4 ring pistons? > > Alex From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 11 11:21:50 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 13:21:50 -0500 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: <4EE4E444.1040500@adelphia.net> References: <008301ccb823$b00f4a60$0201a8c0@randall> <4EE4E444.1040500@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <6C91280BA5DE4F14972628C715308A81@AlexPC> Hi Bob, Yes, going to take your advice. Put the head back on without the valve train and will do a leak down test. Unfortunately, will have to wait until next week for the gauge unless I can get one from one of the local parts stores. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Labuz" To: Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago > Alex, > > No idea on the pistons but maybe a leak down test is the best way to > determine why #3 is still low compression. I think Randall may have hit it > with a broken ring unless you have a crack in the head. > > Bob > > On 12/11/2011 12:02 PM, Alex wrote: >> Hi Randall, >> First off.....I gave bad info on the proud........3 were .006" and 1 was >> .0055. >> >> Reassembled and checked compression. No change......... >> >> Pulled exhaust valve in the cylinder in question and the one next to it >> and both looked the same. >> >> Rechecked flatness of head and deck with a straight edge and feeler >> gauges and could not get a .001" feeler under the straight edge. >> >> Looking like rings at this point. >> >> Did determine that the engine has 86mm pistons.... with the following >> info on the top of the pistons..... >> >> BOTT-OC45 RA5228 STD. >> >> Any info on these pistons as far as 3 or 4 ring pistons? >> >> Alex From leejohn7 at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 12:24:18 2011 From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:24:18 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR4 heater Message-ID: I am bummed that my heater fan has died after only 47 years! There are a few on Ebay. Acknowledging that buying used electrics on Ebay is a caveat emptor transaction, how difficult is the trade-out? Is it a bolt-on, or do you have to break a weld? Thank you John Howard From drew at graybealdesign.com Sun Dec 11 14:39:24 2011 From: drew at graybealdesign.com (drew at graybealdesign.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 14:39:24 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 meltdown Message-ID: <20111211143924.f7cfc25bf7cc9ed6b5dd5ace63487866.5dfec08ab8.wbe@email02.secureserver.net> From dconnitt at fuse.net Sun Dec 11 14:47:37 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:47:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4 heater In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, I just finished rebuilding my TR4A heater. I think they are about the same. I have pictures of the thing coming apart and going back together on my website. http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a go to Progress and Final Assembly and scroll down to heater. The heater fan is pop riveted into a tripod type of metal bracket. You need a box of 3/16 x 1/2" pop rivets. One thing I noticed was (at least on my blower) is that both wires are white coming out of the motor so you have to check and mark the positive wire before you get it all back together. Dave Connitt '67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a From guy at genfiniti.com Sun Dec 11 16:31:04 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:31:04 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Fuel on top of fuel pump Message-ID: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> All, OK.. this is odd. I go into the garage, and smell the powerful odor of fuel. Suspecting a fuel leak somewhere in the line, I go searching, only to find some gasoline pooled on the TOP of the manual fuel pump, with no sign of a leak any place else I cannot figure out how fuel could possibly find itself to the top of the fuel pump body, as most fluids tend to run downhill. My only theory is that the fuel is being drawn-up, against the force of gravity, through the holes that secure the circular top of the pump, to the main body. Has anyone ever experienced this? Cheers, Guy D. Huggins 1965 Triumph TR4A CTC 63569LO Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph From greg at gelhar.com Sun Dec 11 17:06:00 2011 From: greg at gelhar.com (greg at gelhar.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 19:06:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Fuel on top of fuel pump In-Reply-To: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> References: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> Message-ID: <50d32d104c4425c02106ba9e14891161.squirrel@email.accountsupport.com> > All, > > OK.. this is odd. > > I go into the garage, and smell the powerful odor of fuel. > Suspecting a fuel leak somewhere in the line, I go searching, only to find > some gasoline pooled on the TOP of the manual fuel pump, with no sign of a > leak any place else > I cannot figure out how fuel could possibly find itself to the top of the > fuel > pump body, as most fluids tend to run downhill. > > My only theory is that the fuel is being drawn-up, against the force of > gravity, through the holes that secure the circular top of the pump, to > the > main body. > > Has anyone ever experienced this? > Try tightening the six screws holding the fuel pump dome to the body. If you can tighten them by a quarter turn or so, you have temporarily fixed the problem. It happened to me a few years ago when I used gas that had 10% ethanol in it. Old rubber fuel parts really don't like it. Greg G. Osseo, MN > > Cheers, > > Guy D. Huggins > 1965 Triumph TR4A > CTC 63569LO > > Online project diary at http://www.genfiniti.com/triumph > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/greg at gelhar.com From leejohn7 at gmail.com Sun Dec 11 18:51:31 2011 From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 17:51:31 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR4 heater In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's a great you have there, Dave. Mine also has the two white wires. Was your blower motor working before removal? As I feared, everything has to come out. Not a project I have time or just now so will have to drive cold this winter. Thanks very much for the guidance. John On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Dave Connitt wrote: > John, > I just finished rebuilding my TR4A heater. I think they are about the > same. I have pictures of the thing coming apart and going back together on > my website. > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a go to Progress and Final Assembly and > scroll down to heater. The heater fan is pop riveted into a tripod type of > metal bracket. You need a box of 3/16 x 1/2" pop rivets. One thing I > noticed was (at least on my blower) is that both wires are white coming out > of the motor so you have to check and mark the positive wire before you get > it all back together. > Dave Connitt > '67 TR4A IRS > http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 11 19:03:52 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:03:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] tr3 distributor Message-ID: <1323655432.14448.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> i did not rebuild the distributor on when restoring my TR3. but now winter is here i thought i might put that right. i know there are good guys out there who will rebuild for me (advanced distributor) but I'm perfectly capable of doing it my self, especially now the nights are drawn in. i have 3 distributors available to me to rebuild. my original still on the car is marked: 1058B167 40480A other options are: dist #2 159 V167 40480A DMZ? dist #3 1157 V167 40480A DM? each of these distributors have 2 springs each are of a different length and wire diameter each of them has one spring loose that wont come into tension until the distributor is spinning. is this normal? i seem to recall being told that the centrifugal weights are different for the 87mm pistons. y/n? thanks Frank From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 11 19:16:37 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:16:37 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Fuel on top of fuel pump In-Reply-To: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> References: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> Message-ID: <013a01ccb874$1401c840$0201a8c0@randall> > My only theory is that the fuel is being drawn-up, against > the force of > gravity, through the holes that secure the circular top of > the pump, to the > main body. That joint is actually under pressure from inside. For some time after shutting the car off, it will be the full 2-4 psi output pressure of the pump; but the tank is higher than the pump so even once the pressure has bled (or leaked) away, there will still be enough to make it weep. Might well be the diaphragm dissolving, if you haven't replaced it relatively recently. The originals will definitely not stand up to oxygenated fuel. If that is the case though, I'd suggest replacing it sooner rather than later. If someone left out the shaft seal or it doesn't seal very well any more, a leaking diaphragm can dump fuel into the crankcase. -- Randall From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 11 19:32:03 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 18:32:03 -0800 Subject: [TR] tr3 distributor In-Reply-To: <1323655432.14448.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1323655432.14448.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <013e01ccb876$3bfba120$0201a8c0@randall> > but I'm perfectly capable of > doing it my self, Finding parts can be a problem, though, and you should really run it on a distributor machine to see if you got the advance curve right. Yes, that's right. It's puts a knee in the advance curve, for more rapid advance up to a certain rpm, then slower advance from there until it hits the stop. For a 40480, the knee should be at 1500 engine rpm. > i seem to recall being told that the centrifugal weights are > different for the 87mm pistons. y/n? AFAIK, the factory never installed 87mm pistons. But they did use several slightly different advance curves at various times, as well as different for 83 vs 86, low compression vs high, and also TR4A vs TR4. Just for grins I plotted a few of them, you can see the results at http://fwd4.me/0iQ7 However, also AFAIK, the weights were always the same. The changes in advance curve (for a given model of distributor like your DM2) were accomplished with changes only in the springs and advance stop. The later 25D4 had completely different weights than the DM2, but again I believe they were all the same within the model. -- Randall From drew at graybealdesign.com Sun Dec 11 22:19:43 2011 From: drew at graybealdesign.com (drew at graybealdesign.com) Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:19:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 meltdown Message-ID: <20111211221943.f7cfc25bf7cc9ed6b5dd5ace63487866.ea93d9d523.wbe@email02.secureserver.net> From Loumetelko at aol.com Mon Dec 12 17:25:08 2011 From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 19:25:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Stag info needed Message-ID: <1b12b.680da2c2.3c17f564@aol.com> A neighbor and friend just bought a "barn find" 1972 Stag. The car is a kind of / sort of presentable driver but the new owner wants to restore. To aid the process I thought I would put him in touch with Joe Pawlak and Glenn Merrell who are the leaders of the Stag USA club. Anybody have e-mails for either of these gentlemen? Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana From elliottr at rmi.net Mon Dec 12 17:39:09 2011 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 18:39:09 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR250 Ammeter replacement Message-ID: <4EE69EAD.7020305@rmi.net> Hi, I need to replace or repair the ammeter on my wife's TR250. The wire on the inside is broken int a total of 4 pieces. 2 are still clamped in place and 2 are loose. I see that www.gaugeguys.com have them at a reasonable price ($69). The one that was in the car did not have numbers just C+ and D-. What should I replace it with a 30 amp or a 60 amp? Thanks, Roger Elliott From drew at graybealdesign.com Mon Dec 12 13:19:40 2011 From: drew at graybealdesign.com (Graybeal Design) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:19:40 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown Message-ID: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> Hey guys, it's me Drew again with the carburetor problem fixed but still needing assistance on a new issue. I was happily motoring down Pacific Coast Hwy in Malibu when I smelled the pungent odor of burning wire harness. I pulled over and the cabin filled with smoke which seemed to come from under the dash. I switched off the key and lifted the hood to disconnect the battery and found the area around both fill caps on the battery moist and the insulation on the harness is burned/melted from the alternator back through the firewall, under the dash and back out and up to the positive terminal on the battery. I can't believe the car didn't burn to the ground. The problem stopped when I turned off the ignition. Did I just have a over charge condition....? What happened? What is the best fix in terms up update opportunity and cost? Why didn't I blow a fuse? Any thoughts however random are appreciated. Thanks, Drew From ambritts at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 12 12:52:42 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:52:42 -0500 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C5B41D884A44177B5C51447EE22C3C6@AlexPC> Geo That is what some felt like. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Geo Hahn To: Alex Cc: *Triumphs List Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Alex wrote: ...1.. The head bolts appeared to be very loose compared to what force it took to torque the head bolt to 105 lbs... The Haynes manual (mine anyway) specifies torquing the head nuts to 45 lbs. Common sense would tell anyone this can't be right, nevertheless it could have been a source of error for someone. Geo From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:48:35 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:48:35 -0700 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Alex wrote: > ...1.. The head bolts appeared to be very loose compared to what force it > took > to torque the head bolt to 105 lbs... > The Haynes manual (mine anyway) specifies torquing the head nuts to 45 lbs. Common sense would tell anyone this can't be right, nevertheless it could have been a source of error for someone. Geo From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Mon Dec 12 12:53:55 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:53:55 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Fuel on top of fuel pump In-Reply-To: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> References: <4182EC69-C43D-4A89-B5EB-461FBE926525@genfiniti.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 4:31 PM, G.D. Huggins wrote: > ...find some gasoline pooled on the TOP of the manual fuel pump, with no > sign of a > leak any place else... I have had this happen from a leak at the outlet fitting. To test for a specific leak I clean everything up then take one of those blue gas station paper towels and feel around fittings -- those towels show any fluif as a nice dark spot. That outlet with the strange olive can be hard to get sealed. Geo From diggle at clear.net.nz Mon Dec 12 12:34:27 2011 From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 08:34:27 +1300 Subject: [TR] Update on TR3A from 2 weeks ago Message-ID: <4ee65743.301.3b41.18299@clear.net.nz> I found that although all my compressions were between 160 and 165psi I still had a broken top ring in one cylinder and damaged top ring lands in all cylinders. >From poor gapping of the rings. The second compression ring and lands were all ok. My guess is that both compression rings have to be damaged before you get a significant drop in compression. Jim and the TR4 in bits. From aljlthomson at charter.net Tue Dec 13 05:04:24 2011 From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:04:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown In-Reply-To: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> References: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> Message-ID: <000c01ccb98f$5acfa000$106ee000$@charter.net> Drew - Go to Advance Auto Wire at www.advanceautowire.com and find your wiring diagram. If the electrical burning stopped after you turned off the ignition switch, I would check the switched battery circuit from the switch to the fuse box. That should be the white circuit. I think there may be a missing outline on the later diagrams, but the '69 - '72 diagrams should give you the idea. Any dead shorts to ground on that circuit ahead of the fuse would cause lots of smoke and damage. Next question - have there been any modifications done (good or bad) on the wiring? Unfortunately, one burning wire can end up burning other, unrelated wires in the same bundle. Good luck. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Graybeal Design Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 3:20 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown Hey guys, it's me Drew again with the carburetor problem fixed but still needing assistance on a new issue. I was happily motoring down Pacific Coast Hwy in Malibu when I smelled the pungent odor of burning wire harness. I pulled over and the cabin filled with smoke which seemed to come from under the dash. I switched off the key and lifted the hood to disconnect the battery and found the area around both fill caps on the battery moist and the insulation on the harness is burned/melted from the alternator back through the firewall, under the dash and back out and up to the positive terminal on the battery. I can't believe the car didn't burn to the ground. The problem stopped when I turned off the ignition. Did I just have a over charge condition....? What happened? What is the best fix in terms up update opportunity and cost? Why didn't I blow a fuse? Any thoughts however random are appreciated. Thanks, Drew ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson at charter.net From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Dec 13 06:00:00 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 06:00:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR250 Ammeter replacement In-Reply-To: <4EE69EAD.7020305@rmi.net> References: <4EE69EAD.7020305@rmi.net> Message-ID: <4EE74C50.6040305@gmail.com> On 12/12/11 5:39 PM, Roger Elliott wrote: > Hi, > > I need to replace or repair the ammeter on my wife's TR250. The wire > on the inside is broken int a total of 4 pieces. 2 are still clamped > in place and 2 are loose. > If you are not going for concourse I would suggest a voltmeter instead of a replacement ammeter. A voltmeter will tell you more of the day to day driving information that you want to keep track of. I did that in both my cars and have found it to be more useful. Teriann From william.f.daehler at delphi.com Tue Dec 13 08:09:45 2011 From: william.f.daehler at delphi.com (Daehler, William F) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:09:45 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR4 Heater Message-ID: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D05CBDE@017-CH1MPN1-023.017d.mgd.msft.net> Is there an upgrade out there for the fan motor, using modern technology like rare-earth magnets? The current output of the heater is so anemic! I was thinking that if I went to all the trouble of tearing the old Smith's unit out from under the dash, that it would be a great time to upgrade if something was available. Will Daehler 63 TR4 ***************************************************************************** *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ***************************************************************************** *********** From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Dec 13 09:18:39 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:18:39 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4_Heater?= Message-ID: <20111213161828.1FF6118765D@autox.team.net> The motor is less a problem than the fan. Mgb's and midgets used to have a more aggressive fan that worked wonders. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Daehler, William F" To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 Heater Date: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 09:09 Is there an upgrade out there for the fan motor, using modern technology like rare-earth magnets? The current output of the heater is so anemic! I was thinking that if I went to all the trouble of tearing the old Smith's unit out from under the dash, that it would be a great time to upgrade if something was available. Will Daehler 63 TR4 ***************************************************************************** *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. ***************************************************************************** *********** ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 13 10:26:33 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:26:33 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown In-Reply-To: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> References: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> Message-ID: <018c01ccb9bc$5c999120$0201a8c0@randall> > the insulation on the harness > is burned/melted > from the alternator back through the firewall Stock alternator? > Did I just have a over charge condition....? What happened? Could be; or you could have a shorted cell in the battery. But the harness wiring should be able to take all that the alternator can produce, even with a shorted regulator. So there may have also been a high resistance connection somewhere. With those kind of currents, it doesn't take much to get hot, then the heat corrodes the copper and the resistance goes up, which produces more heat ... you get the idea. A short inside the alternator is another possibility, but wouldn't explain why it stopped when you turned off the key (unless it was just coincidence). > from the alternator back through the firewall, under the dash > and back out and > up to the positive terminal on the battery. Must be an early TR6 then. I believe the later ones used a more direct route. > What is the best > fix in terms up update opportunity and cost? Lowest cost would be to assess the damage to the harness, and replace only the burned or shorted wires with new wires run outside the harness. Not very attractive, but can be quite effective. I patched up my TR3A harness after a similar incident, so long ago that I had forgotten all about it until I pulled the harness from the wreck. Otherwise, you'll need to replace the harness, either with a reproduction of the original or one of the excellent upgrade harnesses from Advance Auto Wire. > Why didn't I blow a fuse? That's easy, there are no fuses that protect the charging circuit. Or the headlights or ignition, for that matter. Only about half of the wiring is actually protected. -- Randall From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 13 10:35:49 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 09:35:49 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR250 Ammeter replacement In-Reply-To: <4EE69EAD.7020305@rmi.net> References: <4EE69EAD.7020305@rmi.net> Message-ID: <018e01ccb9bd$a81aade0$0201a8c0@randall> > What should I replace it with a 30 amp or a 60 amp? I believe the original was 30 amps (approx). However if there is any chance you might install some upgrades, like a high power stereo, driving lights or a bigger alternator, then I would go for the 60 amp replacement. I haven't tried it, but it doesn't look too hard to replace the wire loop inside the original. The number of turns and their spacing from the moving armature are what are important, so you could go a size heavier on the wire itself. I'm not sure of the size offhand, but you should be able to find a small spool of suitable magnet wire for under $20. Here's a spool of 14 AWG @ Amazon for $18: http://www.amazon.com/b?ie=UTF8&node=310354011 -- Randall From jimbyjove at comcast.net Tue Dec 13 15:13:23 2011 From: jimbyjove at comcast.net (Jim Coleman) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:13:23 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Fuel on top of fuel pump Message-ID: <000001ccb9e4$6e3e7210$4abb5630$@net> Guy, It's been my experience with my TR4 and TR6 that this fuel on top of the fuel pump is fuel that has somehow wicked from leaking inlet or outlet fuel lines. I'd look at possible cross threading or insufficiently tightened fuel lines at the pump. Once those lines are properly seated, the fuel smell and wetness on top of the pump will be eliminated. Jim Coleman Mechanicsville VA From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Dec 13 20:17:05 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:17:05 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR4 Heater In-Reply-To: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D05CBDE@017-CH1MPN1-023.017d.mgd.msft.net> References: <9E1CC0F0B106764CA9F4156E627D8B0D05CBDE@017-CH1MPN1-023.017d.mgd.msft.net> Message-ID: <1EDBCE17-14BC-440E-8711-BCC448C714F5@comcast.net> When I had my heater out I put a squirrel cage fan back in instead of the bladed fan. That was around 11 years ago so I'd have to dig deep to find out where I got it but I think I may have mentioned in on the list at the time. Way back machine anyone?? It did increase the flow for the de-misters and the heater to where you could actually feel air flowing which was at least some reward for the second hardest thing (removing and reinstalling the heater) I've ever done on my TR6. Here's an old email from Dan Masters I did find but I'm pretty sure I got my SC fan from a source in the States. Listers, > > Whle reading the latest issue of the MGB Driver, I found an ad for > replacement > heater fans and motors for the TR4 - 6. The add says: > > "If you own a TR4-6 and wish to improve the airflow through the heater > system > of your car then this simple conversion is ideal. A high efficiency fan is > mounted to a new motor to provide the increased air flow. The motor fits > on > existing mounting points without the need for drilling." > > TR4-6 heater upgrade kit 812301X 56.40 (pounds) > > Moss Manchester > 113-117 Stockport Road > Cheadle Heath, Stockport > Cheshire, SK3 OJE > Tel 0161 480 6402 > Fax 0161 429 0349 > > They are also available through M & G International, Manchester, 0161 773 > 9678, and M & G International, Merseyside, 0151 666 1666. > > They also have improved fans for MGBs, if anyone is interested. > > I though this might be of interest to some of you. > > Dan Masters, > Alcoa, TN > Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Daehler, William F wrote: > Is there an upgrade out there for the fan motor, using modern > technology like > rare-earth magnets? The current output of the heater is so anemic! > I was > thinking that if I went to all the trouble of tearing the old > Smith's unit out > from under the dash, that it would be a great time to upgrade if > something was > available. > > > Will Daehler > 63 TR4 > ***************************************************************************** > *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, > or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by > replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. > ***************************************************************************** > *********** > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net From nafzigerg at yahoo.com Tue Dec 13 20:18:23 2011 From: nafzigerg at yahoo.com (Gary Nafziger) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:18:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. Message-ID: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Every once in a while during a complete restoration, that's taking several years, a person gets the frightening realization that he can't remember doing some critical measurement or task, that if not completed will bring down the whole project during the first drive. This came to mind while reading the post on rings and ring gap. I think I checked ring gap on my tr-3 engine during assembly a long time ago but really can't remember. Hopefully next summer will be start up and trouble shooting time and I want that to go well. My question is to those who have assembled engines more than I have. How common is it to have to file rings to get the correct gap? I'm sure on my last re-build on my tr-6, the rings needed no correction. I'm hoping you will all say they are usually correct and don't need filing.LOL Just kind of paranoid here and need some soothing.LOL gary n. From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 13 21:34:57 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 22:34:57 -0600 Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. In-Reply-To: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20111214043501.EDECE187664@autox.team.net> With my old liners, I didn't need to file the rings. But, I put a nice groove in one of them several years ago so replaced them. Now I need to file both the top and 2nd ring before assembling. This is for a TR-4 with 87 MM pistons, using Deves rings. Since I rebuild it every year, eventually I'll get the new liners honed to where I don't need to file so much off of the rings. :) Not quite what you wanted to hear, I'm sure. It is possible to pull the head and pull the pistons to check that out with the engine in the car. The cost is a head gasket, possibly manifold gaskets and a pan gasket plus a day or two's time. Getting it wrong is more expensive. It will generally cost you a set of pistons, possibly a set of liners, and if really bad there's a small chance that the piston would come apart which adds a head and valves to the price, possibly some valvetrain items too. Tony Drews At 09:18 PM 12/13/2011, Gary Nafziger wrote: >Every once in a while during a complete restoration, that's taking several >years, a person gets the frightening realization that he can't remember doing >some critical measurement or task, that if not completed will bring down the >whole project during the first drive. >This came to mind while reading the >post on rings and ring gap. I think I checked ring gap on my tr-3 engine >during assembly a long time ago but really can't remember. Hopefully next >summer will be start up and trouble shooting time and I want that to go well. >My question is to those who have assembled engines more than I have. How >common is it to have to file rings to get the correct gap? I'm sure on my >last re-build on my tr-6, the rings needed no correction. I'm hoping you will >all say they are usually correct and don't need filing.LOL > > >Just kind of >paranoid here and need some soothing.LOL > >gary n. > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 13 22:15:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 21:15:15 -0800 Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. In-Reply-To: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <024301ccba1f$5d4bc120$0201a8c0@randall> > I'm hoping you will > all say they are usually correct and don't need filing.LOL Might not apply to you, but I was told that the last set of new rings I bought for my TR3A were deliberately oversize, so they could be matched to the bore. I don't recall the details offhand, but I did have to file them, even though I was putting them in somewhat used 87mm liners. -- Randall From auprichard at uprichard.net Wed Dec 14 07:56:12 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] hazard lights Message-ID: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> List: Apart from the turn signals, what else should flash when you turn on the hazard switch on a TR250 / TR6? Thanks! Andrew Uprichard From aljlthomson at charter.net Wed Dec 14 05:27:57 2011 From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:27:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: [CTR] Wanted: Spitfire Mk III In-Reply-To: <52f0fb59.1fe88.1343af85ae2.Webtop.48@charter.net> References: <52f0fb59.1fe88.1343af85ae2.Webtop.48@charter.net> Message-ID: <000901ccba5b$cf8ac470$6ea04d50$@charter.net> Not sure if this is a proper use of the list but we have a Connecticut person looking for a Spit. Alex Thomson From: CTRIUMPH at yahoogroups.com [mailto:CTRIUMPH at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of dhs78 at Charter.net Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:08 AM To: CTRIUMPH at yahoogroups.com Subject: [CTR] Wanted: Spitfire Mk III .......Seasons Greetings to y'all! I received the email below requesting info on any Mk III Spitfires for sale. Do you know of any?? If you do, could you reply to this note, and I'll forward it to Doug. Thanks, David Seasons Greetings -------- Begin forwarded message -------- Subject: Contact Date: 12/13/11 1:29:25 PM From: "Doug Mathewson" To: CTRIUMPH-owner at yahoogroups.com Hello, I live in Connecticut and wish to buy a Spitfire. Mk III is best, but earlier IV okay too. Does anyone of your acquittance have one for sale? Reasonable money please for a nice driver. 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Groups Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest b" Unsubscribe b" Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 08:06:13 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:06:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR4_Heater?= Message-ID: <20111214150610.637F0187646@autox.team.net> Or, use the '84 K car radiator fan motor with a relay for the higher load. Whoosh! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Bud Rolofson" To: "Daehler, William F" Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] TR4 Heater Date: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 22:17 When I had my heater out I put a squirrel cage fan back in instead of the bladed fan. That was around 11 years ago so I'd have to dig deep to find out where I got it but I think I may have mentioned in on the list at the time. Way back machine anyone?? It did increase the flow for the de-misters and the heater to where you could actually feel air flowing which was at least some reward for the second hardest thing (removing and reinstalling the heater) I've ever done on my TR6. Here's an old email from Dan Masters I did find but I'm pretty sure I got my SC fan from a source in the States. Listers, > > Whle reading the latest issue of the MGB Driver, I found an ad for > replacement > heater fans and motors for the TR4 - 6. The add says: > > "If you own a TR4-6 and wish to improve the airflow through the heater > system > of your car then this simple conversion is ideal. A high efficiency fan is > mounted to a new motor to provide the increased air flow. The motor fits > on > existing mounting points without the need for drilling." > > TR4-6 heater upgrade kit 812301X 56.40 (pounds) > > Moss Manchester > 113-117 Stockport Road > Cheadle Heath, Stockport > Cheshire, SK3 OJE > Tel 0161 480 6402 > Fax 0161 429 0349 > > They are also available through M & G International, Manchester, 0161 773 > 9678, and M & G International, Merseyside, 0151 666 1666. > > They also have improved fans for MGBs, if anyone is interested. > > I though this might be of interest to some of you. > > Dan Masters, > Alcoa, TN > Regards Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Daehler, William F wrote: > Is there an upgrade out there for the fan motor, using modern > technology like > rare-earth magnets? The current output of the heater is so anemic! > I was > thinking that if I went to all the trouble of tearing the old > Smith's unit out > from under the dash, that it would be a great time to upgrade if > something was > available. > > > Will Daehler > 63 TR4 > ***************************************************************************** > *********** Note: If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, > or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the > intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly > prohibited. If you > have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by > replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. > ***************************************************************************** > *********** > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 14 10:05:11 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:05:11 -0500 Subject: [TR] hazard lights In-Reply-To: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> References: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <4EE8D747.5020402@adelphia.net> Andrew, The turn signal light in the speedometer should also blink. Mine is a late 72. Bob On 12/14/2011 09:56 AM, Andrew Uprichard wrote: > List: > > > > Apart from the turn signals, what else should flash when you turn on the > hazard switch on a TR250 / TR6? Thanks! > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 10:13:14 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:13:14 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown In-Reply-To: <018c01ccb9bc$5c999120$0201a8c0@randall> References: <6B638E58EEF14155A21AD59BD55168A7@homemade> <018c01ccb9bc$5c999120$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Randall wrote: > > Why didn't I blow a fuse? > > That's easy, there are no fuses that protect the charging circuit. Or the > headlights or ignition, for that matter. > Which is why I have added a fusible link to my cars on the brown wire from the solenoid. It will hopefully sacrifice itself before a problem starts consuming the loom. Not inclined to test this so can't swear it's the best soluution. Geo From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 14 10:18:43 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:18:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] hazard lights In-Reply-To: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> References: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <1323883123.82412.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> The pilot light on the instrument panel. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: Andrew Uprichard >To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2011, 14:56 >Subject: [TR] hazard lights > >List: > > > >Apart from the turn signals, what else should flash when you turn on the >hazard switch on a TR250 / TR6? Thanks! > > > >Andrew Uprichard > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk From rpeglow at optonline.net Wed Dec 14 11:11:10 2011 From: rpeglow at optonline.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:11:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] hazard lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrew, I have an early '71 TR6. Above the Hazard Switch there are 2 red indicators on the dashboard. The left will blink with the 4 way flasher. Regards, Bob From auprichard at uprichard.net Wed Dec 14 11:55:04 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:55:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] [6pack] hazard lights In-Reply-To: References: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <3BC909EAE9974B3B9129424EE45619D8@DCH6RFC1> Well......let me start by saying, I am amazed that so much does work, given (a) I wired the car, and (b) many instruments had been re-wired with loss of the color codes. But, I am embarrassed to say, turning on the hazard switch results in both reverse (back-up) lights flashing, both right turn signals and the front left turn signal flashing, but no left rear !! Exactly the same happens when I turn on the left indicator / turn signal. Oh, and the little pilot light on the dash - it is conspicuous by it's refusal to come on........ Andrew -----Original Message----- From: 6pack-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of im sloane Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 11:42 AM To: 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [6pack] hazard lights I'm thinking that's pretty much all. I hate to ask, but what else do you have flashing?? Oh, there is a red light on the dash that flashes too on a 250/older 6 with the rocker hazzard switch. Sloane :) 69-Six > From: auprichard at uprichard.net > To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 09:56:12 -0500 > Subject: [6pack] hazard lights > > List: > > > > Apart from the turn signals, what else should flash when you turn on the > hazard switch on a TR250 / TR6? Thanks! > > > > Andrew Uprichard ________________________________________ 6pack at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/6pack/auprichard at uprichard.net From zoboherald at aol.com Wed Dec 14 12:52:31 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. In-Reply-To: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> References: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CE88B10D203D79-1DC4-C7F9A@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> I've done maybe a half-dozen rebuilds over the years, including two Volvo B-18s and several Triumphs. The only time I ever had to file a ring for proper gap was last summer. My son and I were building a new EA81 engine for his '81 Subaru, and we'd picked up an "abandoned" rebuild from a machine shop (all machine work done and all new parts there; just needed assembly). I had to file ONE ring so that its piston would fit into the cylinder. Near as we could tell, it was just that one odd ring, as everything else checked out fine and no other rings needed to be touched! (Once together, that engine ran like a bear until the final drive in the transmission self-destructed nine months later! Actually, the engine's still fine....) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Gary Nafziger To: triumphs Sent: Tue, Dec 13, 2011 10:41 pm Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. My question is to those who have assembled engines more than I have. How common is it to have to file rings to get the correct gap?hs/zoboherald at aol.com From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Wed Dec 14 13:53:09 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:53:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light Message-ID: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Finally getting around to this... I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - upgradable to the one with the light Option 3: On/Off toggle switch Option 4: Button type on/off switch (engaged when depressed - similar to a door/interior light switch) mounted somewhere on the tranny cover to be engaged when transmission is in reverse. I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from scratch. #2 or #3 would be the easiest. wiring is fairly straightforward. Green from an appropriate power point (ignition or elsewhere) to Switch and from switch to lamp. Ground from lamp to body through fixture (andin my case also a secondary ground to an earth clip on chassis. Although the power feed is ultimately fused, I will probably include an in-line fuse between switch & power for safety sake. Any thoughts out there? Thanks Carl From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 14 14:28:13 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:28:13 -0800 Subject: [TR] [6pack] hazard lights In-Reply-To: <3BC909EAE9974B3B9129424EE45619D8@DCH6RFC1> References: <71E888D3D3EF439A8064667A7DB2D84A@DCH6RFC1> <3BC909EAE9974B3B9129424EE45619D8@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <003301ccbaa7$4a0e07c0$de2a1740$@rr.com> > But, I am embarrassed to say, turning on the hazard switch results in > both > reverse (back-up) lights flashing, both right turn signals and the > front > left turn signal flashing, but no left rear !! Exactly the same > happens > when I turn on the left indicator / turn signal. Not surprising, since they share the wiring to the lamps. Looking at Dan's diagram for a TR250, I think you should only have the red hazard warning blinking on the dash; not the green turn indicator. -- Randall From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 14:54:55 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:54:55 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: It sounds like you don't wish to remove the tranny cover. In that case maybe glue a magnet to the base of the shift lever and make a bracket to mount a magnetic switch that should be compact enough to live under the gear shift boot. May need a relay as I'm not sure how much current they can handle I'm adding one to the tr4 but I have retrofitted a 5w led... From zoboherald at aol.com Wed Dec 14 15:14:18 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:14:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: <8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> Carl, ISTR items such as reverse lamps were often wired up back then much as fog or spot lamps were done: with a simple pull switch, sometimes with a small illuminated portion in the middle of the knob. See, for example, something like this one from Holden UK: At one time, I think there might even have been similar Lucas switches with a very small "white" illumination in the knob; there seems to be what's left of one under the dash of my early Standard Pennant, which may or may not at one time have had a reverse lamp on the back. The illuminated switches are nice inasmuch as a: they're simple to wire in, and b: the light reminds you to turn the silly thing off when you're done reversing the car! :) --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR Finally getting around to this... I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - upgradable to the one with the light... From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 15:47:17 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:47:17 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?5_speed_conversions?= Message-ID: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> Hi all, With the old four speeded needing a rebuild, not wanting to fool with the o.d. type, I'm looking at a five speed conversion. I want a complete kit, less gearbox. Not one where I have to scrounge parts; I just don't have time. I DO NOT want to cut up the car in any way, shape or dorm (including the tunnel). With the box installed, I want it to look stock, with stock lever location, and a stock lever. A Q ship if you will. Do any of you know of anyone marketing a kit to meet these parameters? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone From ambritts at bellsouth.net Wed Dec 14 16:00:54 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:00:54 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> <8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC> I have the Lucas period lights for clear backup and red fog mounted and wired on my 59 TR3A. The backup light is driven by a TR6 brake light switch mounted to the tranny. When the car is placed in reverse the backup light comes on automatically. When taken out of reverse it goes out. The red fog light (rear) is activated by a Lucas period switch that is white with a center light that goes on when it is pulled on. The lights are mounted with chrome mounts that can be purchased at Wal-Mart for under $10 and a little modification. If someone can provide directions for attaching pictures, I have them of the tranny bracket, switch, wiring setup as well as the mount on the rear. Or I could forward the pictures to someone who can them load them into a link of theirs for posting on the list for others to see. Let me know. Alex Manzo 59 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew S. Mace" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > Carl, ISTR items such as reverse lamps were often wired up back then much > as > fog or spot lamps were done: with a simple pull switch, sometimes with a > small > illuminated portion in the middle of the knob. See, for example, something > like this one from Holden UK: > > > > At one time, I think there might even have been similar Lucas switches > with a > very small "white" illumination in the knob; there seems to be what's left > of > one under the dash of my early Standard Pennant, which may or may not at > one > time have had a reverse lamp on the back. The illuminated switches are > nice > inasmuch as a: they're simple to wire in, and b: the light reminds you to > turn > the silly thing off when you're done reversing the car! :) > > > > > > --Andy Mace > > *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? > *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph > Herald engine with wings. > -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) > > Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph > Register: http://www.vtr.org > > Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph > Herald > Database: http://triumph-herald.us > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Carl TR > > > Finally getting around to this... > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be > mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the > list of > different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the > archives. > > Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in > reverse. > Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. > Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - > upgradable to the one with the light... From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 14 16:12:04 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:12:04 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: <003701ccbab5$cbb1b610$63152230$@rr.com> > I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from > scratch. Shouldn't be too hard. Get a snap-action micro switch with a roller (any electronics supplier, except maybe Radio Shack), plus some flat iron strap from Lowes or Home Depot. Hold the switch up where the reverse rail will hold the lever down when not in reverse, but not hold it down with reverse selected. Bend the flat iron to hold the switch in that position. I forget which one offhand, but there was some factory application where they did the reverse switch that way (except they used one of the isolator switches). Here's an example of the type of switch I would use: http://tinyurl.com/84oqg2w If you do go for an operator switch, I strongly encourage you to include an indicator lamp. Otherwise you may forget to turn it off, and some states have laws against showing white to the rear while moving forward. -- Randall From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 14 16:17:12 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:17:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <1323904632.46507.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Herman http://www.hvdaconversions.com/ will do every thing you ask. and do it well Frank NFI. in fact made my own, so kinda competitor To: triumphs-owner at autox.team.net; Triumph List Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:47 PM Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions Hi all, With the old four speeded needing a rebuild, not wanting to fool with the o.d. type, I'm looking at a five speed conversion. I want a complete kit, less gearbox. Not one where I have to scrounge parts; I just don't have time. I DO NOT want to cut up the car in any way, shape or dorm (including the tunnel). With the box installed, I want it to look stock, with stock lever location, and a stock lever. A Q ship if you will. Do any of you know of anyone marketing a kit to meet these parameters? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 14 16:17:29 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:17:29 -0800 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003801ccbab6$8d42ef10$a7c8cd30$@rr.com> > Do any of you know of anyone marketing a kit to meet these parameters? Sounds like a perfect description of Herman van den Akkers kit (HVDA). You source the Celica gearbox, he supplies everything else. It literally uses the stock lever, in the stock location. Oh wait, I'm not sure if he includes the Celica clutch plate in the kit. You may have to source that yourself. -- Randall From spook01 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 16:46:42 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:46:42 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?5_speed_conversions?= Message-ID: <20111214234631.23D36187659@autox.team.net> Thanks, Randall. The clutch can be sources! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: , " \"'Triumph List'\"" Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions Date: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 17:17 > Do any of you know of anyone marketing a kit to meet these parameters? Sounds like a perfect description of Herman van den Akkers kit (HVDA). You source the Celica gearbox, he supplies everything else. It literally uses the stock lever, in the stock location. Oh wait, I'm not sure if he includes the Celica clutch plate in the kit. You may have to source that yourself. -- Randall From fogbro1 at comcast.net Wed Dec 14 19:52:32 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 02:52:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR4 valve springs Message-ID: <1476876735.1273183.1323917552254.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> List, Where can I find the spring data for the TR4 valve springs, the later type with 2 per valve? Or does someone on the List have them handy? Ed Woods From allegrorover at mac.com Wed Dec 14 20:04:13 2011 From: allegrorover at mac.com (Anthony Cascio) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:04:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> Herman supplied the TR6 cluctch disk in my conversion so a clutch plate is not nessesary. I have the conversion in my 3A and I love it, I would recommend the w-56 (Celica) transmission, it will give the higher gear ratio. Tony Cascio 58 TR3A TS27093L allegrorover at mac.com www.triumphowners.com/1489 From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Dec 14 20:32:28 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 22:32:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> Message-ID: Can't say enough good things about Herman's customer service or the quality of the kit. Nfi - just a satisfied customer. I found two transmissions at about 115 dollars each. I found a tr4a flywheel vs drilling my tr4 flywheel to fit the 4a to tr6 pressure plate. Installation instructions were easy to follow and went well. The downside is my wife likes how easy the clutch is and wants to steal my car any chance she gets...... From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com Wed Dec 14 21:16:44 2011 From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 20:16:44 -0800 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> Message-ID: <004f01ccbae0$5b5aa6d0$120ff470$@rr.com> The HVDA conversion was a no brainer decision and implementation for me. About two weeks before getting the kit, per Herman's instructions, I ordered the tranny from a place in Orange County and had it delivered to Herman's house. Fully rebuilt with a 12 month guarantee. Luckily I live about 250 miles from Herman, so I took the drive into the mountains (it was snowing) where he lives and low and behold there was the conversion kit with the rebuilt Toyota tranny already mounted to the kit. Herman gave me personal instructions on what to look out for. The kit has everything needed, including the clutch disk. An hour or so later I was on my way. The difference having a 5 speed is amazing. It feels solid. The clutch and shift pattern are a little different, but you get use to it fairly quickly. The clutch is not as sensitive as the old 4-speed, but still very predictable. The "H" pattern is not parallel with 1st and 3rd being wider from each other than 2nd and 4th are, if that makes sense to anybody, so going from 5th to 4th took some practice. No problem now. So, it was $1600 for the HVDA kit, and another $900 for the rebuilt tranny. That's about the same as a rebuilt overdrive unit from Quantum Mechanics. I'll take the 5-speed. Johnnie 67 TR4A > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Anthony Cascio > Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:04 PM > To: spook01 at comcast.net > Cc: Triumph List; triumphs-owner at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] 5 speed conversions > > Herman supplied the TR6 cluctch disk in my conversion so a clutch plate > is not nessesary. > I have the conversion in my 3A and I love it, I would recommend the w- > 56 (Celica) transmission, it will give the higher gear ratio. > > > > Tony Cascio > 58 TR3A > TS27093L > allegrorover at mac.com > www.triumphowners.com/1489 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pdonnel1 at san.rr.com From mmarr at notwires.com Thu Dec 15 07:52:39 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:52:39 -0600 Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. References: <1323832703.88191.YahooMailNeo@web65303.mail.ac2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8EE41A650AC34A9B9EC4F1E15B382E40@trigeni.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Nafziger" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 9:18 PM Subject: [TR] ring gap ect. > My question is to those who have assembled engines more than I have. How > common is it to have to file rings to get the correct gap? I've rebuilt several engines and replaced a lot of pistons and rings, and I think I have had to file the rings pretty much every time. Mike From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Dec 15 06:17:04 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:17:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> Message-ID: <3AC5238C248C4E63A565B10A0271CF63@BobPC> For a TR6, there's three 5 speed conversion kits out there: HVDA, Eaglegate and Dupont. The first two use the Toyota W58 tranny while Dupont uses the T5 tranny. Quantum Mechanics and Moss used to offer conversions based on a Ford transmission but I don't know if they still do. I went with Herman's kit (HVDA) because, at the time, he was the only one offering a complete drop in, no cutting or mods required conversion. The W58 was readily available at a fairly cheap price. They've become "harder" to find and some folks blame all the people doing the conversion but I think it's just the fact that the cars supplying these transmissions are now 30 years old and most end up getting crushed instead of recycled. Herman is a great guy to work with, provides a high quality product and supports his sales. I documented my complete installation on web site which should be helpful to anyone doing this conversion: http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/5Speed.htm The only downside to the W58 is the cost of a rebuild. The only thing you can do to a W58 without a complete teardown is to replace the front and rear seals. If it needs bearings or synchros, it's a teardown. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Anthony Cascio Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 10:04 PM To: spook01 at comcast.net Cc: Triumph List ; triumphs-owner at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 5 speed conversions Herman supplied the TR6 cluctch disk in my conversion so a clutch plate is not nessesary. I have the conversion in my 3A and I love it, I would recommend the w-56 (Celica) transmission, it will give the higher gear ratio. Tony Cascio 58 TR3A TS27093L allegrorover at mac.com www.triumphowners.com/1489 ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org From ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com Thu Dec 15 09:04:55 2011 From: ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com (David Gunn) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:04:55 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: Carl - How are you planning on mounting the light to your car? David GunnChico, CA1954 TR2 "Coupe"TS3388L > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:53:09 -0600 > From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > > Finally getting around to this... > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. > > Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. > Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - upgradable to the one with the light > Option 3: On/Off toggle switch > Option 4: Button type on/off switch (engaged when depressed - similar to a door/interior light switch) mounted somewhere on the tranny cover to be engaged when transmission is in reverse. > > I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from scratch. #2 or #3 would be the easiest. > > wiring is fairly straightforward. Green from an appropriate power point (ignition or elsewhere) to Switch and from switch to lamp. Ground from lamp to body through fixture (andin my case also a secondary ground to an earth clip on chassis. Although the power feed is ultimately fused, I will probably include an in-line fuse between switch & power for safety sake. > > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks > Carl > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com From wbeech at flash.net Thu Dec 15 09:44:39 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:44:39 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: <92B75D5CF7DD4B948BC9A07632F3152D@bboffice> I did not know that there was a backup light option for the TR3. Was this a dealer installed item? Shouldn't there be a provision in the body and wiring harness for this? I have a spare transmission top for an O/D unit, can one of these switches be used as my car in non-O/D? Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of David Gunn Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 10:05 AM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net; triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light Carl - How are you planning on mounting the light to your car? David GunnChico, CA1954 TR2 "Coupe"TS3388L > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:53:09 -0600 > From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > > Finally getting around to this... > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will > be mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. > > Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when > in reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. > Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center > panel - upgradable to the one with the light > Option 3: On/Off toggle switch > Option 4: Button type on/off switch (engaged when depressed - similar > to a door/interior light switch) mounted somewhere on the tranny cover to be engaged when transmission is in reverse. > > I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from scratch. #2 or #3 would be the easiest. > > wiring is fairly straightforward. Green from an appropriate power point (ignition or elsewhere) to Switch and from switch to lamp. Ground from lamp to body through fixture (andin my case also a secondary ground to an earth clip on chassis. Although the power feed is ultimately fused, I will probably include an in-line fuse between switch & power for safety sake. > > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks > Carl > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From adcronin at ameritech.net Thu Dec 15 10:48:00 2011 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (Dan Cronin) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 12:48:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <3AC5238C248C4E63A565B10A0271CF63@BobPC> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> <3AC5238C248C4E63A565B10A0271CF63@BobPC> Message-ID: <25B3C97F-143C-4AC6-A733-3CFD8A15A205@ameritech.net> Folks As an add on to Bob's rundown, I had my M58 totally rebuilt (main shaft and several of the gears and all synchros/bearings) by Mann Transmission in Florida (NFI) for just a tad over $600. Shipping was around $60 . I considered it prudent as I was purchasing a "used" transmission from a "junk yard" and had no idea if the folks advertising it really knew much about it. Mann's fee is a flat rate regardless of what they find wrong (or not). Dan On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > For a TR6, there's three 5 speed conversion kits out there: HVDA, Eaglegate and Dupont. The first two use the Toyota W58 tranny while Dupont uses the T5 tranny. Quantum Mechanics and Moss used to offer conversions based on a Ford transmission but I don't know if they still do. > I went with Herman's kit (HVDA) because...... > ....The only downside to the W58 is the cost of a rebuild. The only thing you can do to a W58 without a complete teardown is to replace the front and rear seals. If it needs bearings or synchros, it's a teardown. > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs From drew at graybealdesign.com Thu Dec 15 11:01:56 2011 From: drew at graybealdesign.com (Graybeal Design) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 10:01:56 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR6 Meltdown Message-ID: Thanks Geo, That's is good information. I think that is why I'm going to up grade to Advance Auto Wire's harness. I understand they are short a few fuses too, but at least the circuits will operate better with relays and I can always add a couple of fused links as you have. Drew From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Thu Dec 15 11:57:16 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 13:57:16 -0500 Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <25B3C97F-143C-4AC6-A733-3CFD8A15A205@ameritech.net> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> <3AC5238C248C4E63A565B10A0271CF63@BobPC> <25B3C97F-143C-4AC6-A733-3CFD8A15A205@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <22F2F457C4D24EF9A3B7DF45C584128E@BobPC> And I went the other extreme.......... $65 on eBay plus $60 shipping. I took it to a local father/son tranny shop and for $100 they replaced the front and rear seals and fixed the gear for the speedo cable. I stopped back there last fall and asked about getting it rebuilt as I was pulling the engine & tranny for some bottom end work last winter.......... the father asked if it was shifting OK with no grinding or crunching..........said yes....... he said to keep driving it as they're pretty bullet proof. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: Dan Cronin Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 12:48 PM To: Bob Danielson Cc: spook01 at comcast.net ; Triumph List ; triumphs-owner at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 5 speed conversions Folks As an add on to Bob's rundown, I had my M58 totally rebuilt (main shaft and several of the gears and all synchros/bearings) by Mann Transmission in Florida (NFI) for just a tad over $600. Shipping was around $60 . I considered it prudent as I was purchasing a "used" transmission from a "junk yard" and had no idea if the folks advertising it really knew much about it. Mann's fee is a flat rate regardless of what they find wrong (or not). Dan On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > For a TR6, there's three 5 speed conversion kits out there: HVDA, > Eaglegate and Dupont. The first two use the Toyota W58 tranny while Dupont > uses the T5 tranny. Quantum Mechanics and Moss used to offer conversions > based on a Ford transmission but I don't know if they still do. > I went with Herman's kit (HVDA) because...... > ....The only downside to the W58 is the cost of a rebuild. The only thing > you can do to a W58 without a complete teardown is to replace the front > and rear seals. If it needs bearings or synchros, it's a teardown. > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Thu Dec 15 12:00:28 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:00:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] 5 speed conversions In-Reply-To: <25B3C97F-143C-4AC6-A733-3CFD8A15A205@ameritech.net> References: <20111214224706.AB9EC187659@autox.team.net> <5BAB0504-B687-4E8D-9558-2167B51D560C@mac.com> <3AC5238C248C4E63A565B10A0271CF63@BobPC> <25B3C97F-143C-4AC6-A733-3CFD8A15A205@ameritech.net> Message-ID: <1323975628.79454.YahooMailNeo@web120205.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> i think Herman does a really good job and recomend you buy his. but for the challenge i made my own conversion using a bell housing i sourced from Australia. i did consider machining it out of billet at one point, but that would be just dumb!!! i built one for me and one for a friend. we just took the junkyard W58 and did nothing more than change the front and rear oil seals and put new oil in. we left the doghouse out of the car till we could take a run to hear if there where significant noise problems. there where non. these W58's seem very hardy. my thought was with the trany only costing +/-150.00 i could buy 4 or more for the cost of a rebuild. so far both cars have no problems. i did not think a 600.00 rebuild was worth it. Frank ________________________________ From: Dan Cronin To: Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> Cc: Triumph List ; triumphs-owner at autox.team.net Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [TR] 5 speed conversions Folks As an add on to Bob's rundown, I had my M58 totally rebuilt (main shaft and several of the gears and all synchros/bearings) by Mann Transmission in Florida (NFI) for just a tad over $600. Shipping was around $60 . I considered it prudent as I was purchasing a "used" transmission from a "junk yard" and had no idea if the folks advertising it really knew much about it. Mann's fee is a flat rate regardless of what they find wrong (or not). Dan On Dec 15, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Bob Danielson wrote: > For a TR6, there's three 5 speed conversion kits out there: HVDA, Eaglegate and Dupont. The first two use the Toyota W58 tranny while Dupont uses the T5 tranny. Quantum Mechanics and Moss used to offer conversions based on a Ford transmission but I don't know if they still do. > I went with Herman's kit (HVDA) because...... > ....The only downside to the W58 is the cost of a rebuild. The only thing you can do to a W58 without a complete teardown is to replace the front and rear seals. If it needs bearings or synchros, it's a teardown. > > Bob > > > Bob Danielson > http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org > 1975 TR6 with: > Throttle Body Injection > Toyota 5 Speed > Nissan Diff & CVJs ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 15 12:19:38 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 11:19:38 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <92B75D5CF7DD4B948BC9A07632F3152D@bboffice> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> <92B75D5CF7DD4B948BC9A07632F3152D@bboffice> Message-ID: <013501ccbb5e$7d774470$7865cd50$@rr.com> > I did not know that there was a backup light option for the TR3. Was > this a > dealer installed item? Shouldn't there be a provision in the body and > wiring harness for this? A dealer probably could order the kit and install it, but I'm guessing that in most cases it was factory-installed. The kit included the harness, and either the factory or the dealer would have been responsible for installing the harness and adding any required holes (just like mounting a radio antenna). > I have a spare transmission top for an O/D unit, can one of these > switches > be used as my car in non-O/D? The OD switch locations are different, they sense 2nd, 3rd & 4th gear. However, the early covers were drilled for the reverse lamp switch and a brass plug installed, even on cars without OD or the lamp. If you have one of those, it would be easy to add the reverse switch to the cover. Drilling and tapping the cover for the switch is not particularly difficult, but you will have to remove the cover from the car and disassemble it, then make some fairly careful measurements before drilling. The tap is an unusual size as well, not included in most sets. I found one at a local tool store for under $20 (but that was quite a few years ago). I think there was a TSB with the information on how to measure, drill & tap. -- Randall From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Thu Dec 15 13:06:42 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:06:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: <1323979602.7462.YahooMailNeo@web29402.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Carl When that L494 lamp was available through UK dealers (same for US?) it was fitted underneath the lower rear panel and in a location roughly equivalent to the exhaust tailpipe to 'balance' back end protrusions and appearance. Looking at one or two TR rear ends on Goggle, the centre of your lamp should be just to the left in a vertical line down from the RH spare wheel cover lock. Dad had a factory TR3 for several weeks on long-term evaluation in about 1956 that I remember well. Not having a TR3 to hand as I write - to make measurements, the lamp stem may be long enough to drill a mounting hole in the boot floor? That said, it's worth remembering it was a universal lamp offered by Lucas to all UK auto manufacturers and I doubt Lucas made a lamp with differing stem lengths. If the stem on your lamp is too short, I'd advocate making an 'E' shaped bracket out of steel strip and using it as a distance piece to have the lamp lower down. The top of the lamp should have about half an inch clearance from the rear panel above it. The switch was an illuminated push/pull unit and part # 0-597-07 illustrated at www.thetoolboxshop.com will give you an idea of what it looked like. It had a white lens. This went on the instrument panel below the overdrive switch. That's where the factory put it but if you don't want to drill a hole there, you could use one of the supplementary switch panels displayed if you do Google Images and type in Lucas L494. There are chrome ones and black textured ones. Hope this helps. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be >mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of >different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. >> >> Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in >reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top >cover. >> Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - >upgradable to the one with the light >> Option 3: On/Off toggle switch >> Option 4: Button type on/off switch (engaged when depressed - similar to a >door/interior light switch) mounted somewhere on the tranny cover to be >engaged when transmission is in reverse. >> >> I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from scratch. >#2 or #3 would be the easiest. >> >> wiring is fairly straightforward. Green from an appropriate power point >(ignition or elsewhere) to Switch and from switch to lamp. Ground from lamp >to body through fixture (andin my case also a secondary ground to an earth >clip on chassis. Although the power feed is ultimately fused, I will probably >include an in-line fuse between switch & power for safety sake. >> >> Any thoughts out there? >> >> Thanks >> Carl >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Thu Dec 15 14:47:43 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:47:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> Message-ID: <000001ccbb73$3a0e7180$ae2b5480$@net> David - Haven't found an example of how it was mounted originally - even Piggott's books don't show the later cars with the B/U light. [see note below re: Jonmac] Alex Manzo made brackets and mounted on the inboard side of the rear over-rider. (Thanks for the pictures Alex.) TR3A rear view: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/DSC005 73.jpg Bracket view #1: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/DSC009 75.jpg Bracket view #2: http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/DSC009 76.jpg I don't have the O/R on the car yet, so that will wait for a couple weeks. However, rather than mount on the over-rider bracket, I was hoping to be able to mount on the rear corner of the chassis http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/102_07 45.jpg (I added 'mounting holes' compliments of Paint) but it is possible that either the over-rider or exhaust pipe may interfere. If not possible, will just wait and see what works best. David - the L494 lamp shown in Alex's images is not the same as the one that is on the TR2 in Piggott's book (p.39 - Original Triumph TR2/3/3A). I don't know if that means anything or not but it is the correct one for at least the late TR3A's. Jonmac's email just came in and that adds another perspective. I like the idea of the passenger side and the chassis location I mentioned above may work perfectly - however to line up it may be in the chassis itself rather than the gusset. I was thinking it would be on the driver's side (American :^)) as the Piggott image was the only one I had for reference. Will do more research. Also will think about the switch issue some more but I do like the automatic feature - wonder if I could mount both? Enough for now - this may be getting too long for the list.. Carl From: David Gunn [mailto:ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:05 AM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net; triumph list Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 Backup Light Carl - How are you planning on mounting the light to your car? David Gunn Chico, CA 1954 TR2 "Coupe" TS3388L > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:53:09 -0600 > From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > > Finally getting around to this... > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) that I will be mounting on the project. I know that there has been discussion on the list of different ways to mount/wire it - but I can't seem to find it in the archives. > > Option 1: Add an inhibitor switch on the tranny that is engaged when in reverse. Not really an option as I don't want to drill/tap the tranny top cover. > Option 2: On/Off switch similar to the push/pull on the TR3 center panel - upgradable to the one with the light > Option 3: On/Off toggle switch > Option 4: Button type on/off switch (engaged when depressed - similar to a door/interior light switch) mounted somewhere on the tranny cover to be engaged when transmission is in reverse. > > I would like to go for #4 - but not sure if I can engineer it from scratch. #2 or #3 would be the easiest. > > wiring is fairly straightforward. Green from an appropriate power point (ignition or elsewhere) to Switch and from switch to lamp. Ground from lamp to body through fixture (andin my case also a secondary ground to an earth clip on chassis. Although the power feed is ultimately fused, I will probably include an in-line fuse between switch & power for safety sake. > > Any thoughts out there? > > Thanks > Carl > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccgunn1010 at hotmail.com From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Dec 15 15:51:03 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:51:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR Horn Button for Grant Steering Wheel? Message-ID: <948A4C17-8B6E-48AC-8FBE-02CD538CD918@comcast.net> List, Does anyone know of a source for a Triumph Logo horn button for a Grant steering wheel? I could have sworn I'd seen them one time, but can't seem to find them now. Should have bought one back then. I switched from a 15" wooden Moto Lito steering wheel to a 14" Grant GT. I like the smaller one a lot. Seems like a lot more room, can see the gages better, and its better for autocrossing. But I would like a TR horn button and the Grant horn button is considerably smaller than the TR logo horn button for the Moto Lito. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From levilevi at comcast.net Thu Dec 15 15:52:50 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:52:50 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR Horn Button for Grant Steering Wheel? Message-ID: <25841032-CE83-4A54-8FC4-D88E3865DE75@comcast.net> List, Does anyone know of a source for a Triumph Logo horn button for a Grant steering wheel? I could have sworn I'd seen them one time, but can't seem to find them now. Should have bought one back then. I switched from a 15" wooden Moto Lito steering wheel to a 14" Grant GT. I like the smaller one a lot. Seems like a lot more room, can see the gages better, and its better for autocrossing. But I would like a TR horn button and the Grant horn button is considerably smaller than the TR logo horn button for the Moto Lito. Thanks Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Thu Dec 15 16:05:27 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:05:27 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <000001ccbb73$3a0e7180$ae2b5480$@net> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> <000001ccbb73$3a0e7180$ae2b5480$@net> Message-ID: <018501ccbb7e$091e0ee0$1b5a2ca0$@rr.com> > Alex Manzo made brackets and mounted on the inboard side of the rear > over-rider. (Thanks for the pictures Alex.) Hmm, wonder how the spare tire comes out? -- Randall From fogbro1 at comcast.net Thu Dec 15 17:01:09 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 00:01:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR3 spare tire In-Reply-To: <018501ccbb7e$091e0ee0$1b5a2ca0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1518978119.1322369.1323993669960.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> You mean to say there's a spare tire and that's where it goes??!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "triumph list" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > Alex Manzo made brackets and mounted on the inboard side of the rear > over-rider. B (Thanks for the pictures Alex.) Hmm, wonder how the spare tire comes out? -- Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1 at comcast.net From ambritts at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 15 18:39:27 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 20:39:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3 spare tire Message-ID: <8F79325F5A9C4E0691DB9E5BB1C36DC5@AlexPC> > Took the words right out of my mouth. > > All kidding aside, the brackets are attached to the top bumperette bolt > with a lock washer. Loosen the nut and the arm swings vertical out of the > way. The real secret is how the bracket is made and from what! :o) > > > BTW, where does the spare tire go? > > Alex Manzo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Randall" > Cc: "triumph list" > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 spare tire > > >> You mean to say there's a spare tire and that's where it goes??!!! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Randall" >> To: "triumph list" >> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:05:27 PM >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light >> >>> Alex Manzo made brackets and mounted on the inboard side of the rear >>> over-rider. B (Thanks for the pictures Alex.) >> >> Hmm, wonder how the spare tire comes out? >> >> -- Randall From wbeech at flash.net Thu Dec 15 18:58:51 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 19:58:51 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3 spare tire In-Reply-To: <1518978119.1322369.1323993669960.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <018501ccbb7e$091e0ee0$1b5a2ca0$@rr.com> <1518978119.1322369.1323993669960.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <44CF7731343145FEAB29A2A96B257C22@bboffice> I think I like John's explanation and placement better, as a balance to the tailpipe below the rear apron. Although I think it would be hard to have the mounting stem go all the way to the boot floor. Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of fogbro1 at comcast.net Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:01 PM To: Randall Cc: triumph list Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 spare tire You mean to say there's a spare tire and that's where it goes??!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" To: "triumph list" Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 6:05:27 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > Alex Manzo made brackets and mounted on the inboard side of the rear > over-rider. B (Thanks for the pictures Alex.) Hmm, wonder how the spare tire comes out? -- Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fogbro1 at comcast.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 16 02:56:20 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 01:56:20 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> <4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC> Message-ID: <017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) > that I will be > > mounting on the project. A curious thing: Looking through the Lucas catalogs, I cannot find any mention of a model L494 lamp earlier than 1965. It does not appear in the 1960 Master Catalog, nor any of the individual catalogs before 1965 (although I don't have 1964). There is also no mention of an optional reverse lamp for the TR3, even though the optional lamp for the TR4 (model 661) is listed. -- Randall From brad.kahler at 141.com Fri Dec 16 03:44:04 2011 From: brad.kahler at 141.com (Brad Kahler) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 05:44:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116> <8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> <4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC> <017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Randall, The L494 is mentioned in the 1959 (I think that's the year) Lucas 400e catalog on page K18. The copy I have came courtesy of Andy Mace. You can download a copy of the catalog here http://campkahler/downloads.html Brad On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 4:56 AM, Randall wrote: > > > I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) > > that I will be > > > mounting on the project. > > A curious thing: Looking through the Lucas catalogs, I cannot find any > mention of a model L494 lamp earlier than 1965. It does not appear in the > 1960 Master Catalog, nor any of the individual catalogs before 1965 > (although I don't have 1964). > > There is also no mention of an optional reverse lamp for the TR3, even > though the optional lamp for the TR4 (model 661) is listed. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/brad.kahler at 141.com From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 16 03:51:39 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 02:51:39 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> > The L494 is mentioned in the 1959 (I think that's the year) > Lucas 400e catalog on page K18. Ah, so it is. My mistake. Apologies to all. -- Randall From ambritts at bellsouth.net Fri Dec 16 04:53:40 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 06:53:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> I have a Lucas master Catalog - Export Edition that covers up to year 1954. It clearly shows color pictures for the L494. It's correct part number is #052671 (6v) and #052672 (12v). Page L4 That's the unit........ The clear lens is part number #573283 Page L10 Both of these lamps are not listed for any specific car or make. but listed for "General Sales". So it appears to be an auxiliary type part or add on to any specific model desired, at least through 1954. The red lens I have for this lamp is not listed as of 1954. I have a listing in this catalog for a "1954 Triumph - 2 seater sports car" that lists ALL electrical components from gauges to lamps that Lucas provided. There is no listing for back up lights or fog lights. The vehicle is only identified as a 2 seater sports car. Alex Manzo 1959 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'*Triumphs List'" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light >> The L494 is mentioned in the 1959 (I think that's the year) >> Lucas 400e catalog on page K18. > > Ah, so it is. My mistake. Apologies to all. > > -- Randall From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Fri Dec 16 05:45:24 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 07:45:24 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> Message-ID: I also have the 1960 version of the Lucas Master Catalog. (we probably got it from the same source) The reverse lamp kit is pictured at http://jollyrogersmotors.com/node/277 and includes switch, green wire, and L494. ($175 wow!) My box looks like this one (much much much poorer condition) is dated "7 61" (assuming that is the date code) and the switch I found in the parts pile looks like the same one. I have since cross referenced the switch to Lucas 31696 which is listed on page Q14 and pictured on Q6 of the '60 version of 400e. The last thing I did last night was hook it all up - running a lead directly from the fuse box to switch to lamp to ground and it all works. I am still going to install the jamb switch similar to Alex's application for the automatic feature but may run a wire back to the dash switch so it illuminates when in reverse. Not necessary but it will 'appear' to be period correct. I have not found any cross reference of S/T Part# 502251 (reverse lamp kit w/cable & switch) to a specific lamp. Next question - where would that switch have been placed? Left side below o/d & heater seems the logical location? I have one more lucas relay available so I may add it to power feed coming from the fuel gauge -mounting it on the dash support bracket on the passenger side. Also, how do you test a relay? C TS81802LO dispatched 9/27/61 per build sheet Randall - do you ever sleep... I saw your earlier post (4:xx am which is 1 in the morning here on the east coast and you are still here at 6:30..... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 6:54 AM To: Randall Cc: '*Triumphs List' Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light I have a Lucas master Catalog - Export Edition that covers up to year 1954. It clearly shows color pictures for the L494. It's correct part number is #052671 (6v) and #052672 (12v). Page L4 That's the unit........ The clear lens is part number #573283 Page L10 Both of these lamps are not listed for any specific car or make. but listed for "General Sales". So it appears to be an auxiliary type part or add on to any specific model desired, at least through 1954. The red lens I have for this lamp is not listed as of 1954. I have a listing in this catalog for a "1954 Triumph - 2 seater sports car" that lists ALL electrical components from gauges to lamps that Lucas provided. There is no listing for back up lights or fog lights. The vehicle is only identified as a 2 seater sports car. Alex Manzo 1959 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" Cc: "'*Triumphs List'" Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:51 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light >> The L494 is mentioned in the 1959 (I think that's the year) >> Lucas 400e catalog on page K18. > > Ah, so it is. My mistake. Apologies to all. > > -- Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From adcronin at ameritech.net Fri Dec 16 06:30:14 2011 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (Dan Cronin) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 08:30:14 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light-Alternate Source In-Reply-To: <017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com> <4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC> <017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <3EC3097C-6A07-4C76-B60A-912750F06C3D@ameritech.net> Folks Check out this British supplier. Seems to have very reasonable prices for many things used on our cars including the Lucas L494 lamp, switch, etc. "Vintage Car Parts" Dan On Dec 16, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Randall wrote: >>> I have an original [in box] TR3 Backup Light (Lucas L494) >> that I will be >>> mounting on the project. > > A curious thing: Looking through the Lucas catalogs, I cannot find any > mention of a model L494 lamp earlier than 1965. It does not appear in the > 1960 Master Catalog, nor any of the individual catalogs before 1965 > (although I don't have 1964). > > There is also no mention of an optional reverse lamp for the TR3, even > though the optional lamp for the TR4 (model 661) is listed. > > -- Randall From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 16 07:45:02 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:45:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> Message-ID: <1324046702.94239.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> As I said in my post of yesterday, the lamp was available in the UK via vehicle manufacturers as an "approved accessory" and through Lucas dealers as a "Lucas accessory." Highly unlikely Lucas or Standard-Triumph would cross reference their part numbers. The version with the red lens came into production much later when it became a requirement in the UK and western Europe to have at least one high powered (21 watt) red rear light for use in heavy rain, fog or snow. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: Alex >To: Randall >Cc: '*Triumphs List' >Sent: Friday, 16 December 2011, 11:53 >Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > >I have a Lucas master Catalog - Export Edition that covers up to year 1954. > >It clearly shows color pictures for the L494. It's correct part number is #052671 (6v) and #052672 (12v). Page L4 That's the unit........ The clear lens is part number #573283 Page L10 > >Both of these lamps are not listed for any specific car or make. but listed for "General Sales". So it appears to be an auxiliary type part or add on to any specific model desired, at least through 1954. > >The red lens I have for this lamp is not listed as of 1954. > >I have a listing in this catalog for a "1954 Triumph - 2 seater sports car" that lists ALL electrical components from gauges to lamps that Lucas provided. There is no listing for back up lights or fog lights. The vehicle is only identified as a 2 seater sports car. > >Alex Manzo >1959 TR3A > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall" >Cc: "'*Triumphs List'" >Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 5:51 AM >Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Backup Light > > >>> The L494 is mentioned in the 1959 (I think that's the year) >>> Lucas 400e catalog on page K18. >> >> Ah, so it is. My mistake. Apologies to all. >> >> -- Randall > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk From pethier at comcast.net Fri Dec 16 07:47:26 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:47:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR Horn Button for Grant Steering Wheel? In-Reply-To: <25841032-CE83-4A54-8FC4-D88E3865DE75@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2068341772.1191447.1324046846246.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Too bad you don't have a Lotus. The stock horn button from a Lotus Europa fits directly into a Grant GT wheel without tools. One of the things I miss most about by old Europa. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bud Rolofson" > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 4:52:50 PM > Subject: [TR] TR Horn Button for Grant Steering Wheel? > List, > > Does anyone know of a source for a Triumph Logo horn button for a > Grant steering wheel? I could have sworn I'd seen them one time, but > can't seem to find them now. Should have bought one back then. > > I switched from a 15" wooden Moto Lito steering wheel to a 14" Grant > GT. I like the smaller one a lot. Seems like a lot more room, can > see the gages better, and its better for autocrossing. But I would > like a TR horn button and the Grant horn button is considerably > smaller than the TR logo horn button for the Moto Lito. > > Thanks > Bud Rolofson From tr3driver at ca.rr.com Fri Dec 16 14:30:23 2011 From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 13:30:23 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <1324046702.94239.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> <1324046702.94239.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <02c801ccbc39$ebd90d50$c38b27f0$@rr.com> > As I said in my post of yesterday, John, let me once again apologize. My post in the wee hours was not only misinformed, but poorly phrased as well. I was curious to see what the manuals had to say about whether Stanpart 502251 included a L494 or some other lamp; and somewhat puzzled that I couldn't find any information at all. > Highly unlikely Lucas or Standard- > Triumph would cross reference their part numbers. Actually, I have one cross reference, published by Lucas. You can see it at http://tinyurl.com/dxs58wz But Lucas also listed the applications for their products, sometimes including factory optional equipment, and I was hoping to perhaps find the reverse lamp so listed. Something sold only as a "Lucas Accessory" would not have had a Stanpart number, no? -- Randall From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 16 15:18:40 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 22:18:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] TR3 Backup Light In-Reply-To: <02c801ccbc39$ebd90d50$c38b27f0$@rr.com> References: <3626422.157833.1323895989558.JavaMail.root@vznit170116><8CE88C4DB37F08B-1DC4-CABF0@webmail-d176.sysops.aol.com><4967C05088AE4D5B88D2DDBC2F3301E6@AlexPC><017001ccbbd8$f6d86a90$0201a8c0@randall> <018001ccbbe0$b0d5ece0$0201a8c0@randall> <5E09D832B9D94757B082DB76B46D19AF@AlexPC> <1324046702.94239.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <02c801ccbc39$ebd90d50$c38b27f0$@rr.com> Message-ID: <1324073920.23959.YahooMailNeo@web29406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Randall wrote: >John, let me once again apologize. My post in the wee hours was not only >misinformed, but poorly phrased as well. I was curious to see what the >manuals had to say about whether Stanpart 502251 included a L494 or some >other lamp; and somewhat puzzled that I couldn't find any information at >all. Absolutely no apologies needed, Randall. If I write something in the wee hours now, even I can't understand it - let alone anyone else. Sorry worry not >Actually, I have one cross reference, published by Lucas. You can see it at http://tinyurl.com/dxs58wz But Lucas also listed the applications for their products, sometimes >including factory optional equipment, and I was hoping to perhaps find the reverse lamp so listed. Something sold only as a "Lucas Accessory" would not have had a Stanpart > number, no? Aha, aha, AHA! We're talking at cross-purposes and we're looking at different lists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My list is as published by old Joe Lucas in Birmingham and the other is my genuine, original, Stanpart Accessory List printed in Coventry by WW Curtis per pro S-T. I see that your list is 'the colonial version' with an address in New York. Against that background 'Old Joe' obviously did print a cross-ref for the North American market in North America but 'Old Joe' in Birmingham UK didn't cross-refer his parts to other auto maker numbers. So you're right - and I'm right, 'cos we're looking at different publications. Simples! JM From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sat Dec 17 08:25:49 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:25:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 Message-ID: Not for the purist. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-V8-convert-1960-Triumph-TR3A-283-ci-C hevrolet-engine-conversion-/330657272025 Includes bonnet opening like a spitfire. Carl From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Dec 17 08:51:27 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:51:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EECBA7F.2070707@adelphia.net> Carl, Not my cup of tea but it looks like quality work. I wonder why just a 3 speed? Would have thought a 4 speed for sure. For some reason, I really don't like custom cars. When I go to the car shows and car hops I see many US made cars from the early 30s and up, that have been modified so much they really dont resemble the original car. Lowered, flared, new technology engines, and interiors that must have cost thousands. And the fancy paint jobs like this one take away from the original. I guess I am old fashioned and like the stock look. Bob On 12/17/2011 10:25 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Not for the purist. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-V8-convert-1960-Triumph-TR3A-283-ci-C > hevrolet-engine-conversion-/330657272025 > > Includes bonnet opening like a spitfire. From spitlist at cox.net Sat Dec 17 09:30:58 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:30:58 -0700 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007A886159DA42B1AF2CFE4D1E351E70@Vista> Nice car still! I wonder what's up with the passenger seat back? Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:26 AM To: TR List Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 Not for the purist. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-V8-convert-1960-Triumph-TR3A-283-ci-C hevrolet-engine-conversion-/330657272025 Includes bonnet opening like a spitfire. Carl ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From davidt at opentext.com Sat Dec 17 09:38:13 2011 From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 11:38:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: <007A886159DA42B1AF2CFE4D1E351E70@Vista> Message-ID: It would go down the road very well :-). New paint and coordinated interior and would make a nice 2nd '3 :-). Definition of a sleeper. David TR3a Spitsix From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 17 10:43:29 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 09:43:29 -0800 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: <4EECBA7F.2070707@adelphia.net> References: <4EECBA7F.2070707@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <000501ccbce3$6378f010$0201a8c0@randall> > I wonder why just a 3 speed? Would have thought a 4 speed for sure. 4 speeds were a lot less common back in the 60s; also bigger and heavier. It might have been chosen for the smaller size; but I'd guess it's just what came out of the donor car. Ironically, though, I'm not sure it would be all that much quicker than a souped-up TRactor motor. Back in the 70s I had a TR3A that would embarrass a stock 289 Mustang, especially if he didn't take me seriously. They were fractionally quicker in a fair fight, but if I got a car length lead first ... And if memory serves, the 283 Chevy was a heavier motor than the 289 Ford. -- Randall From levilevi at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 10:52:26 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 10:52:26 -0700 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43911C3D-B2C9-44C4-AB6F-54DF70D4EF57@comcast.net> Butt ugly! Would be good for laughs at rat car night at the drive-in otherwise I'd be embarrassed to be seen in it. Its just wrong at so many levels and I'm not that much of a purist as anyone who's seen my car will attest. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Carl TR wrote: > Not for the purist. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-V8-convert-1960-Triumph-TR3A-283-ci-C > hevrolet-engine-conversion-/330657272025 > > Includes bonnet opening like a spitfire. > > > > > > Carl > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net From spook01 at comcast.net Sat Dec 17 11:24:22 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 12:24:22 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Customized_TR3?= Message-ID: <20111217182411.991D2187867@autox.team.net> The small block Chevy WAS heavier. The Ford used precision located cores, which allowed thinner and lighter castings. The Chevrolet used older, shift-prone sand cores, thus thicker walled castings. You can argue that this let Chevrolet engines accept more bore size increase, but it made for heavy engines. Funnily, I had a 1100 Sprite that embarrassed a guys 327 Impala one night.....at least into third gear! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Randall" To: Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 Date: Sat, Dec 17, 2011 11:43 > I wonder why just a 3 speed? Would have thought a 4 speed for sure. 4 speeds were a lot less common back in the 60s; also bigger and heavier. It might have been chosen for the smaller size; but I'd guess it's just what came out of the donor car. Ironically, though, I'm not sure it would be all that much quicker than a souped-up TRactor motor. Back in the 70s I had a TR3A that would embarrass a stock 289 Mustang, especially if he didn't take me seriously. They were fractionally quicker in a fair fight, but if I got a car length lead first .... And if memory serves, the 283 Chevy was a heavier motor than the 289 Ford. -- Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From wbeech at flash.net Sat Dec 17 13:45:52 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:45:52 -0600 Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? Message-ID: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> What is the current fluid(f) of choice to soak in when cleaning carbs for re-building? I have used Lacquer Thinner and Berryman's B-12 in the past. TIA, Bill From wbeech at flash.net Sat Dec 17 13:45:52 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 14:45:52 -0600 Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 In-Reply-To: <007A886159DA42B1AF2CFE4D1E351E70@Vista> References: <007A886159DA42B1AF2CFE4D1E351E70@Vista> Message-ID: <94CBFD15CA00481DA0934A381EC236F4@bboffice> Get rid of the "American Graffiti" paint job and you could have some real fun with the big boys. I don't suppose anyone sells a kit to create the flip-front bonnet? Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Joe Curry Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:31 AM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net; 'TR List ' Subject: Re: [TR] Customized TR3 Nice car still! I wonder what's up with the passenger seat back? Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Carl TR Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 8:26 AM To: TR List Subject: [TR] Customized TR3 Not for the purist. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Triumph-V8-convert-1960-Triumph-TR3A-283-ci-C hevrolet-engine-conversion-/330657272025 Includes bonnet opening like a spitfire. Carl ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From spitlist at cox.net Sat Dec 17 13:57:15 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 13:57:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> Message-ID: I like Berryman's "Chemtool" Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech at flash.net Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:46 PM To: 'TR List '; Mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? What is the current fluid(f) of choice to soak in when cleaning carbs for re-building? I have used Lacquer Thinner and Berryman's B-12 in the past. TIA, Bill ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From Harrymague at aol.com Sat Dec 17 14:37:36 2011 From: Harrymague at aol.com (Harrymague at aol.com) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 16:37:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] E-3 Spark Plugs Message-ID: HI guys, I was watching horsepower today and they were discussing E-3 Spark Plugs. Anybody here of these and are they any good. The TV show basically said the burn cleaner, better gas mileage, and lower emissions. Any thoughts guys??? Harry Mague 1974 TR6 From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com Sat Dec 17 16:00:30 2011 From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 15:00:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> Message-ID: <1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I'll second that! As a side benefit, it is an outstanding wasp killer! Chad in Tulsa From: Joe Curry To: wbeech at flash.net; 'TR List ' ; Mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? I like Berryman's "Chemtool" Joe -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech at flash.net Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 1:46 PM To: 'TR List '; Mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? What is the current fluid(f) of choice to soak in when cleaning carbs for re-building? I have used Lacquer Thinner and Berryman's B-12 in the past. TIA, Bill ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 17 16:40:41 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:40:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: <1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> <1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> A clean half inch paintbrush, an old roasting tin and the container half full of central heating oil - or diesel, all helps to lubricate stiff fasteners. Finish off with compressed air. Simples Jonmac From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 17 17:20:30 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 17:20:30 -0700 Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> <1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EED31CE.1000602@bradakis.com> John Macartney wrote: > A clean half inch paintbrush, an old roasting tin A while back I hit the local church run thrift store and selected a collection of old loaf pans, muffin tins, and such. They were marked as 50 cents apiece but when I went to pay, the kindly old lady at the register said "Oh, those are so rusty and dirty, I'll only charge you 25 cents each." I didn't want to burst her bubble, so I paid the reduced price and thanked her profusely. Maybe I should have told her I purposely picked out the worst looking buggers of the lot since I was just going to use them for parts sorting, cleaning and such. But it was so nice to see the smile of satisfaction on her face for doing such a good deed for the day. mjb. From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sat Dec 17 20:07:05 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:07:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: <4EED31CE.1000602@bradakis.com> References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice> <1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <4EED31CE.1000602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: I am using a 30 yr old can of berrymans. It stinks and takes varnish off a carb in one dunk. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 17 22:41:49 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 23:41:49 -0600 Subject: [TR] old plastic seats In-Reply-To: References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice><1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com><4EED31CE.1000602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: any hints on how to preserve seats on a car that has sat for 20 years in a garage? they are plastic/vinyl. seats appear to be in pretty good shape From tony at tonydrews.com Sun Dec 18 07:51:32 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:51:32 -0600 Subject: [TR] Triumph-powered Peerless for sale Message-ID: <20111218145137.1C4BB18789B@autox.team.net> This came through on another e-mail list and though y'all might be interested... NFI Tony Drews For anyone interested, here is a chance to own a rare Triumph powered special. Triumph Vintage Racers Bill Dentinger and Bob Wismer have decided to let go of this neat car. Any questions, give me a call. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260917914504&ss PageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649#ht_27111wt_1167 Jeff Snook http://www.snooksdreamcars.com 419-344-0319 From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 09:01:04 2011 From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:01:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] old plastic seats In-Reply-To: References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice><1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com><4EED31CE.1000602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <1324224064.92686.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Meguiars makes a product called Rubber and Vinyl Cleaner and conditioner (40) that has worked well for me. Chad in Tulsa From: oliver To: TR List Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 11:41 PM Subject: [TR] old plastic seats any hints on how to preserve seats on a car that has sat for 20 years in a garage? they are plastic/vinyl. seats appear to be in pretty good shape ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com From dconnitt at fuse.net Sun Dec 18 11:26:20 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 13:26:20 -0500 Subject: [TR] Source for headlight bucket captive nut Message-ID: <5C39838BE0AA4927AF3400EFF95E95DA@DaveLaptop> List, I need two more of the captive nuts that attach the headling buckets to the front valance on my TR4A. Doens anybody know if there is a source for them? Thanks, Dave Connitt "67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 18 12:36:37 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 11:36:37 -0800 Subject: [TR] Source for headlight bucket captive nut In-Reply-To: <5C39838BE0AA4927AF3400EFF95E95DA@DaveLaptop> References: <5C39838BE0AA4927AF3400EFF95E95DA@DaveLaptop> Message-ID: <005d01ccbdbc$5be2e700$0201a8c0@randall> > I need two more of the captive nuts that attach the headling > buckets to the > front valance on my TR4A. Doens anybody know if there is a > source for them? Try the hardware section of your FLAPS. I found some plastic inserts that worked very well. Even moved them from the wreck to the project TR3. -- Randall From auprichard at uprichard.net Sun Dec 18 14:32:17 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 16:32:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] electrical gremlins - follow-up In-Reply-To: <005d01ccbdbc$5be2e700$0201a8c0@randall> References: <5C39838BE0AA4927AF3400EFF95E95DA@DaveLaptop> <005d01ccbdbc$5be2e700$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <9232504AE9D44CCC8A4FCBA4512540D8@DCH6RFC1> You gotta love these cars. Turn signals and hazard lights now working. Problems discovered along the way: 1. Faulty hazard flasher - explains why the hazard light was not working on the dash. 2. Green red / green brown error in the (new) wiring harness - explains why the back-up lights were flashing and the turn signal was not. 3. Faulty (new) hazard relay. For #3, I borrowed a relay from a friend's TR6 - but not before I had pulled the turn switch. Also found switches are easier to remove than re-install. As Marv Gruber reminded me, I need to keep telling myself this stuff is fun........ Andrew Uprichard From spitlist at cox.net Sun Dec 18 14:47:30 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 14:47:30 -0700 Subject: [TR] GT6 Calipers Message-ID: <3F858E7CFB21461EBF6646B82ECDADBA@Vista> Does anyone have a pair of GT6 calipers that they would want to get rid of (CHEAP)? I can use good ones, rebuildable ones and even some trashed ones that I can use as a "core" for exchange. I am upgrading my front brakes on my red Mk1 Spit and all I need to complete the task is a pair of calipers. Thanks, Joe Curry From wbeech at flash.net Sun Dec 18 14:59:41 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:59:41 -0600 Subject: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? In-Reply-To: <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <263453AF3AD14017A86AD809BF971BD0@bboffice><1324162830.80842.YahooMailNeo@web120504.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1324165241.43378.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just found a gallon of "GUNK" brand carb clean in the shed, I'm sure it came from the FLAPS down the road a few years ago. Anyone with experience or an opinion on this brand? I'll probably end up trying and see how it does. John, I'm sure the diesel soak would work great but isn't it a bit messy? All the best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 5:41 PM To: 'TR List ' Subject: Re: [TR] Carburetor cleaner? A clean half inch paintbrush, an old roasting tin and the container half full of central heating oil - or diesel, all helps to lubricate stiff fasteners. Finish off with compressed air. Simples Jonmac ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sun Dec 18 17:02:09 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 19:02:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail Message-ID: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net> ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear quarter rail - I believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. Could have been something at the back too.. Does anyone have a picture or a more detailed description? It was here when I took the car apart but I can't for the life of me remember what it looks like. Thanks Carl From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sun Dec 18 18:02:25 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 17:02:25 -0800 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail In-Reply-To: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net> References: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net> Message-ID: <001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall> > ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear > quarter rail - I > believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. Probably varies, depending on commission number. But both my late TR3 and early TR3A had only two small blocks of wood, near the front of the quarter rail. Appeared to be just to support the rail itself, as people tend to lean on that spot when getting out of the car. At any rate, it wasn't close to the hardtop supports and was on the TR3 (which didn't have the other hardtop brackets under the rail installed). Sorry I don't have a photo of that area. But the block wasn't very large, perhaps 2" long, 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, and maybe 1.5" tall. The top was rounded across the narrow dimension, but not fore/aft. And there was a counterbore down the center, for a sheet metal screw into the body. -- Randall From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sun Dec 18 20:30:49 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:30:49 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fabricating TR6 glovebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I got 75% of a glovebox from a friend. I heard the plastic aftermarket boxes don't fit so well. So I decided to rebuild the box using paper mache type tech. I had half a roll of wallpaper bridging fabric. Its a heavy woven fiber fabric that will bridge the gaps on cinder block walls and leave an acceptable flat surface for wallpaper or Paint. Anywho I used that and wood glue to recreate the missing parts. It fits quite well. But I need 3 more ... so I've sprayed several coats of paint on the box, sanded, bondoed, sanded and painted again. I'm going to mold it in plaster and make copies. I researched paper mache molding and found plaster wrap is a reasonable foundation for a mould. Its pretty much the same thing they make casts for broken arms out of. Next step is casting the box. Wish me luck. Ill post pics tomorrow. Chris From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sun Dec 18 21:10:33 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 23:10:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail In-Reply-To: <001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall> References: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net> <001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: Thanks Randall - that sounds like what I remember. Will keep looking. If anyone has one they can take a photo of or specific measurements - it would be greatly appreciated. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:02 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear quarter > rail - I believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. Probably varies, depending on commission number. But both my late TR3 and early TR3A had only two small blocks of wood, near the front of the quarter rail. Appeared to be just to support the rail itself, as people tend to lean on that spot when getting out of the car. At any rate, it wasn't close to the hardtop supports and was on the TR3 (which didn't have the other hardtop brackets under the rail installed). Sorry I don't have a photo of that area. But the block wasn't very large, perhaps 2" long, 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, and maybe 1.5" tall. The top was rounded across the narrow dimension, but not fore/aft. And there was a counterbore down the center, for a sheet metal screw into the body. -- Randall ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 18 22:03:45 2011 From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad) Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:03:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Fabricating TR6 glovebox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1324271025.44547.YahooMailNeo@web120501.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Chris- In my experience, the plastic boxes fit fine....not so with the cardboard repops out of the UK. I bought 2 of them from Rimmer.....destroyed one trying to make it fit....sent the other one back. Chad in Tulsa From: Chris Simo To: list Triumph Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:30 PM Subject: [TR] Fabricating TR6 glovebox I got 75% of a glovebox from a friend. I heard the plastic aftermarket boxes don't fit so well. So I decided to rebuild the box using paper mache type tech. I had half a roll of wallpaper bridging fabric. Its a heavy woven fiber fabric that will bridge the gaps on cinder block walls and leave an acceptable flat surface for wallpaper or Paint. Anywho I used that and wood glue to recreate the missing parts. It fits quite well. But I need 3 more ... so I've sprayed several coats of paint on the box, sanded, bondoed, sanded and painted again. I'm going to mold it in plaster and make copies. I researched paper mache molding and found plaster wrap is a reasonable foundation for a mould. Its pretty much the same thing they make casts for broken arms out of. Next step is casting the box. Wish me luck. Ill post pics tomorrow. Chris ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 19 06:27:55 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:27:55 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail In-Reply-To: <61C1E125F63B4BC583E763545BC667CC@valued9cfc0b6f> References: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net><001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall> <61C1E125F63B4BC583E763545BC667CC@valued9cfc0b6f> Message-ID: Thanks Dave - I found one like this one - so will see if I either find the other or can duplicate it. Carl -----Original Message----- From: davewillner [mailto:davewillner at pa.net] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:47 AM To: Randall; cfmtr3a at verizon.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail Carl, Here's a photo of the placement, these are originals and held in place by one recessed slotted screw on each side, they are about 3" long by 1" wide and 2" high. I guess they were supports for the capping since the tops are curved slightly... Dave Willner Stroudsburg PA 59 TR3A 70 MGB 70 BSA 441 VS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl TR" To: "'Randall'" ; Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:10 PM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > Thanks Randall - that sounds like what I remember. Will keep looking. > If anyone has one they can take a photo of or specific measurements - it > would be greatly appreciated. > > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:02 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > >> ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear quarter >> rail - I believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. > > Probably varies, depending on commission number. But both my late TR3 and > early TR3A had only two small blocks of wood, near the front of the > quarter > rail. Appeared to be just to support the rail itself, as people tend to > lean on that spot when getting out of the car. At any rate, it wasn't > close > to the hardtop supports and was on the TR3 (which didn't have the other > hardtop brackets under the rail installed). > > Sorry I don't have a photo of that area. But the block wasn't very large, > perhaps 2" long, 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, and maybe 1.5" tall. The top > was > rounded across the narrow dimension, but not fore/aft. And there was a > counterbore down the center, for a sheet metal screw into the body. > > -- Randall > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/davewillner at pa.net From adcronin at ameritech.net Mon Dec 19 06:32:31 2011 From: adcronin at ameritech.net (Dan Cronin) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:32:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail In-Reply-To: References: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net> <001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <588A9A85-B1A1-44ED-A41A-909191B80D3E@ameritech.net> I do have one on my project TR2 and will be able to take a photo with measurements, but not till this evening---if you still need it and someone else has not responded by then. Since I do not have an account with any of the web hosting sites for photographs, send me a note off list with your email and I will forward to you. Dan adcronin at ameritech.net On Dec 18, 2011, at 11:10 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Thanks Randall - that sounds like what I remember. Will keep looking. > If anyone has one they can take a photo of or specific measurements - it > would be greatly appreciated. > > Carl From ambritts at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 19 06:35:31 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:35:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail In-Reply-To: References: <000001ccbde1$778b4950$66a1dbf0$@net><001d01ccbde9$dfbf2f20$0201a8c0@randall><61C1E125F63B4BC583E763545BC667CC@valued9cfc0b6f> Message-ID: <68C062BFCE45479A8584B0938123D9A2@AlexPC> Carl, Here's a link for TRF with pictures. http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=33 Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl TR" To: "'davewillner'" ; "'Randall'" ; "TR List " Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > Thanks Dave - I found one like this one - so will see if I either find the > other or can duplicate it. > > Carl > > > -----Original Message----- > From: davewillner [mailto:davewillner at pa.net] > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:47 AM > To: Randall; cfmtr3a at verizon.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > > Carl, > > Here's a photo of the placement, these are originals and held in place by > one recessed slotted screw on each side, they are about 3" long by 1" wide > and 2" high. I guess they were supports for the capping since the tops are > curved slightly... > > Dave Willner > Stroudsburg PA > 59 TR3A > 70 MGB > 70 BSA 441 VS > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl TR" > To: "'Randall'" ; > Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:10 PM > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > > >> Thanks Randall - that sounds like what I remember. Will keep looking. >> If anyone has one they can take a photo of or specific measurements - it >> would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Carl >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:02 PM >> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail >> >>> ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear quarter >>> rail - I believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. >> >> Probably varies, depending on commission number. But both my late TR3 >> and >> early TR3A had only two small blocks of wood, near the front of the >> quarter >> rail. Appeared to be just to support the rail itself, as people tend to >> lean on that spot when getting out of the car. At any rate, it wasn't >> close >> to the hardtop supports and was on the TR3 (which didn't have the other >> hardtop brackets under the rail installed). >> >> Sorry I don't have a photo of that area. But the block wasn't very >> large, >> perhaps 2" long, 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, and maybe 1.5" tall. The top >> was >> rounded across the narrow dimension, but not fore/aft. And there was a >> counterbore down the center, for a sheet metal screw into the body. >> >> -- Randall From ambritts at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 19 06:51:17 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 08:51:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail Message-ID: Sorry guys, Just realized these are the wrong items for what Carl is looking for. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" To: "*Triumphs List" ; Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > Carl, > Here's a link for TRF with pictures. > http://trf.zeni.net/TR2-TR3Handbook/index.php?menu=&page=33 > Alex > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carl TR" > To: "'davewillner'" ; "'Randall'" > ; "TR List " > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail > > >> Thanks Dave - I found one like this one - so will see if I either find >> the >> other or can duplicate it. >> >> Carl >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: davewillner [mailto:davewillner at pa.net] >> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:47 AM >> To: Randall; cfmtr3a at verizon.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail >> >> Carl, >> >> Here's a photo of the placement, these are originals and held in place by >> one recessed slotted screw on each side, they are about 3" long by 1" >> wide >> and 2" high. I guess they were supports for the capping since the tops >> are >> curved slightly... >> >> Dave Willner >> Stroudsburg PA >> 59 TR3A >> 70 MGB >> 70 BSA 441 VS >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Carl TR" >> To: "'Randall'" ; >> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 11:10 PM >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail >> >> >>> Thanks Randall - that sounds like what I remember. Will keep looking. >>> If anyone has one they can take a photo of or specific measurements - it >>> would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Carl >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net >>> [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall >>> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 8:02 PM >>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Cockpit rear quarter rail >>> >>>> ISTR that there was a piece of wood under the aluminum rear quarter >>>> rail - I believe to support the hardtop mounting bracket. >>> >>> Probably varies, depending on commission number. But both my late TR3 >>> and >>> early TR3A had only two small blocks of wood, near the front of the >>> quarter >>> rail. Appeared to be just to support the rail itself, as people tend to >>> lean on that spot when getting out of the car. At any rate, it wasn't >>> close >>> to the hardtop supports and was on the TR3 (which didn't have the other >>> hardtop brackets under the rail installed). >>> >>> Sorry I don't have a photo of that area. But the block wasn't very >>> large, >>> perhaps 2" long, 1/2" or maybe 3/4" wide, and maybe 1.5" tall. The top >>> was >>> rounded across the narrow dimension, but not fore/aft. And there was a >>> counterbore down the center, for a sheet metal screw into the body. >>> >>> -- Randall From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 19 11:09:13 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:09:13 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 B-Post Tack Strip - Replacement found! Message-ID: <003901ccbe79$57328270$05978750$@net> FYI - Home Depot has a 3/8 x 3/8 hardwood 'dowel' rod that is (with a little sanding to handle the vagaries in the pressed channel) a perfect size for a replacement. Varnished to seal and it worked great. Carl From trmarty at hotmail.com Mon Dec 19 16:22:40 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 18:22:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] 2012 Mitty activities Message-ID: I saw the following in an email I received from Classic Motorsports. "The Mitty will host the Georgia Triumph Association and Vintage Triumph Register for their regional meets. " It looks like there will be a Le Mans-start but no mention of an autocross. Come on now, Jack, Ronnie, Ashford, you going to let that happen? :) Marty From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 19 21:04:37 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:04:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? Message-ID: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140665939486/ supposedly $90k in receipts. Located in Georgia - anyone in GTA that knows the car? Just curious Carl From yellowtr at adelphia.net Tue Dec 20 06:10:58 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 08:10:58 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF08962.2010108@adelphia.net> Carl, Nice car but 180BHP? I did see the dual Webers but how did they get 180? Is that possible? Anyway, it is a nice car. Very well done and for 90K it should be! Bob On 12/19/2011 11:04 PM, Carl TR wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140665939486/ > > > > supposedly $90k in receipts. > > > > Located in Georgia - anyone in GTA that knows the car? > > > > Just curious > > Carl From tjwakeman at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 06:41:00 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 06:41:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? In-Reply-To: <4EF08962.2010108@adelphia.net> References: <4EF08962.2010108@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4EF0906C.3030204@gmail.com> On 12/20/11 6:10 AM, Bob Labuz wrote: > > Anyway, it is a nice car. Very well done and for 90K it should be! Yes but one would think that if that much money was going to be poured into a car that they would build it to be competitive in concourse. Concourse seems to be where the high value specimens of a model live. That's a lot of money for a super nice driver that has a full race engine. And a full race engine, assuming that's what it is, has limited street flexibility. Assuming of course the ad is honest with $$ spent & engine output. I tend to be a little skeptic when someone claims that much money spent and that much power out of an engine built to be used on the street. The numbers might possibly have been stretched a tad. I have to ask why would someone spend about 3X what a car might sell for rebuilding a car for sale? And why would someone put a full race engine in a street car? I would want to see receipts & dyno a power chart. But it does appear to be a very nice looking car. Teriann From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Dec 20 08:06:36 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:06:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CE8D401A199C47-1B9C-24D3E@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com> Forgive me, but I'd certainly expect much better spelling and grammar in the ad, not to mention some photos of -- oh -- the HARDTOP that should be there (since the mounting brackets feature so prominently on the rear tonneau cappings, but not on the top of the windscreen frame)! I also agree that a bit more attention to detail in terms of "correctness" (wrong overdrive switch, etc., etc.) would make sense, as would better wheels and tires to deal with the supposed 180 hp!? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: Carl TR To: TR List Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 11:32 pm Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140665939486/ supposedly $90k in receipts. umphs/zoboherald at aol.com From tony at tonydrews.com Tue Dec 20 08:03:53 2011 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:03:53 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20111220160508.55493187670@autox.team.net> I wonder what kind of "Bran" new they used for the 180 HP claim? That's exceedingly hard to accomplish unless you play with the correction parameters on the dyno to fudge the numbers. Tony At 10:04 PM 12/19/2011, Carl TR wrote: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/140665939486/ > > > >supposedly $90k in receipts. > > > >Located in Georgia - anyone in GTA that knows the car? > > > >Just curious > >Carl > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From diggle at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 20 12:32:24 2011 From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:32:24 +1300 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom Message-ID: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> Due to severe lack of budget I'm trying to do the extremely hard task of repairing my loom. The long term fix is to replace my loom. Unforetunately the PO has added metres and metres of extra wiring that either went nowhere or was attached to a bank of switches that did nothing. I have chopped out wiring that went nowhere and did nothing (I hope). I have downloaded dan master's beautifully colour coded diagram to ensure that I have not gone too far but I seem to have more small regulators than is listed. Is there a diagram which shows the actual wiring or is Dan's actually complete. Has anyone repaired then tested before putting their loom back and if yes is there a practicle way of doing it. Jim the the 1962 TR4 From wbeech at flash.net Tue Dec 20 12:44:28 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:44:28 -0600 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: Frank Fisher may have a nice easy-to-read and complete diagram for your car. I used his when replacing my tr3 wiring loom/harness and it was spot on. Frank...? Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:32 PM, diggle at clear.net.nz wrote: > Due to severe lack of budget I'm trying to do the extremely > hard task of repairing my loom. > The long term fix is to replace my loom. > Unforetunately the PO has added metres and metres of extra > wiring that either went nowhere or was attached to a bank of > switches that did nothing. > I have chopped out wiring that went nowhere and did nothing > (I hope). > I have downloaded dan master's beautifully colour coded > diagram to ensure that I have not gone too far but I seem to > have more small regulators than is listed. Is there a > diagram which shows the actual wiring or is Dan's actually > complete. > Has anyone repaired then tested before putting their loom > back and if yes is there a practicle way of doing it. > > Jim the the 1962 TR4 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From yellowtr at adelphia.net Tue Dec 20 13:28:16 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:28:16 -0500 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> Jim, The wiring diagrams are complete for the TR4. I am not sure what you mean by regulators. There is a generator voltage regulator called the "Generator Control Box" mounted inside on the left front fender near the rear. There is voltage stabilizer labeled "Gauge Voltage Stabilizer" mounted up under the passenger side front interior panel. There is one solenoid for the starter mounted on the firewall just above the starter. There is one turn signal flasher mounted under the drivers front side interior panel. Not one of these components is wired directly to the harness. All connected via the "Lucar" connectors with the exception of the turn signal flasher where the flasher plugs into a socket. There are no other regulators or relays on the stock 62. If you have overdrive, there is a solenoid mounted in the left, rear of the overdrive unit. You may want to get a copy of the Bentley TR4 - TR4A 1961-1968 manual but the colored diagram is easier to read. Bob On 12/20/2011 02:32 PM, diggle at clear.net.nz wrote: > Due to severe lack of budget I'm trying to do the extremely > hard task of repairing my loom. > The long term fix is to replace my loom. > Unforetunately the PO has added metres and metres of extra > wiring that either went nowhere or was attached to a bank of > switches that did nothing. > I have chopped out wiring that went nowhere and did nothing > (I hope). > I have downloaded dan master's beautifully colour coded > diagram to ensure that I have not gone too far but I seem to > have more small regulators than is listed. Is there a > diagram which shows the actual wiring or is Dan's actually > complete. > Has anyone repaired then tested before putting their loom > back and if yes is there a practicle way of doing it. > > Jim the the 1962 TR4 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net From yellowtr at adelphia.net Tue Dec 20 13:56:15 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:56:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <4EF0F66F.9040103@adelphia.net> Jim, Reading my post and I should have said the generator voltage regulator is mounted on the right (passenger) side front inside fender near the rear. Bob From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 20 14:07:22 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:07:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <1324415242.76614.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> its a TR2 or TR3 diagram the TR4 is similar but the dip switch is up on the turn indicator. is it not? Frank From: Wbeech To: "diggle at clear.net.nz" Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring loom Frank Fisher may have a nice easy-to-read and complete diagram for your car. I used his when replacing my tr3 wiring loom/harness and it was spot on. Frank...? Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:32 PM, diggle at clear.net.nz wrote: > Due to severe lack of budget I'm trying to do the extremely > hard task of repairing my loom. > The long term fix is to replace my loom. > Unforetunately the PO has added metres and metres of extra > wiring that either went nowhere or was attached to a bank of > switches that did nothing. > I have chopped out wiring that went nowhere and did nothing > (I hope). > I have downloaded dan master's beautifully colour coded > diagram to ensure that I have not gone too far but I seem to > have more small regulators than is listed. Is there a > diagram which shows the actual wiring or is Dan's actually > complete. > Has anyone repaired then tested before putting their loom > back and if yes is there a practicle way of doing it. > > Jim the the 1962 TR4 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Dec 20 14:16:03 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:16:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Wiring loom Message-ID: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> In a message dated 12/20/2011 1:33:04 PM Central Standard Time, diggle at clear.net.nz writes: > Has anyone repaired then tested before putting their loom > back and if yes is there a practicle way of doing it. > Well, not exactly but testing is pretty straight forward. Assuming you used all the right wire colors all you have to do is use your DVM set to beep (continuity check) and then check all the terminals with the same wire colors and make sure they are all connected. Then move on to the next wire color. The green, white and purple circuits will have the most terminals to check. The blue/white and blue/red (headlight) circuits will be near the low end of the spectrum. If you don't have wire with the right colors do yourself and the next guy a favour and tag the wires with some tape and permanent marker. Good luck Dave From terryrs at comcast.net Tue Dec 20 16:55:18 2011 From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking In-Reply-To: <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <720748793.1422455.1324425318767.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> ...Yeah. ...Like I'm capable of it! Anyway, it's been ten years since I rebuilt the engine on my '59 TR3A, but am going to do it again this winter...as soon as I get a wood stove hooked up in my...yes! I have a garage this time! ...So...Moss has a piston/liner set for $578. Roadster Factory has Mahle for $900 that includes other stuff. Question: Mahle is German, I think, and served me exceedingly well last time. Anybody know about the quality of the Moss brand...or what it is? Second question: I went with an upgraded rear seal last time that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in the past ten years? I tried archives, but can't seem to see a clear change in styles. But I admit I haven't been following the list closely these past couple of years. Thanks again, everyone. Terry Smith New Hampshire From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 17:31:14 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:31:14 -0500 Subject: [TR] Mitty In-Reply-To: <000401ccbf55$f8a28e70$e9e7ab50$@net> References: <000401ccbf55$f8a28e70$e9e7ab50$@net> Message-ID: Hmmm, interesting concept. Everybody competes in the same exact car. I'd be game. " Mazda usually has a couple of Miatas and an autocross course set up at the track (at least they did in 09)  maybe GTA and VTR can borrowit. " Lets hope the Mitty is allot dryer! " This is starting to sound almost as messy as having the VTR Nationals at TRF" Still cheaper than a race entry:) " Ive already got my Mitty tix  will I have to buy a GTA/VTR ticket also? ;-)" Marty From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 20 18:26:30 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:26:30 -0600 Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> Message-ID: <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to remove it? I'm pretty sure we'll be removing the dash as the crash pads are cracked anyway From mark at bradakis.com Tue Dec 20 18:35:14 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:35:14 -0700 Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4EF137D2.1010602@bradakis.com> oliver wrote: > we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky > stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to > remove it? As I recall 3M makes a product for that specific purpose, designed for that fake "woodie" stuff on station wagons. Can't recall the exact product offhand, I may actually have it out in the garage. Will check after dinner. mjb. From zoboherald at aol.com Tue Dec 20 18:46:06 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:46:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <4EF137D2.1010602@bradakis.com> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com><29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> <4EF137D2.1010602@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <8CE8D9970D75104-830-C31AC@webmail-m153.sysops.aol.com> WD-40 might help dissolve the sticky goop, as would good old Ronsonol or Zippo lighter fluid! --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us oliver wrote: > we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky > stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to > remove it? From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Dec 20 19:12:51 2011 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <364C8BF0-09D4-4395-A854-DB7DC9156662@comcast.net> Peanut butter? Works on gum in your hair. And leaves a nice sheen. Bud Rolofson 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) levilevi at comcast.net On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:26 PM, oliver wrote: > we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky > stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to > remove it? I'm pretty sure we'll be removing the dash as the crash > pads are cracked anyway > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net From trmarty at hotmail.com Tue Dec 20 19:36:23 2011 From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:36:23 -0500 Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <364C8BF0-09D4-4395-A854-DB7DC9156662@comcast.net> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com>, <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local>, <364C8BF0-09D4-4395-A854-DB7DC9156662@comcast.net> Message-ID: I always wondered what your secret was. :) Marty > From: levilevi at comcast.net > To: sumton at sbcglobal.net > Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:12:51 -0700 > CC: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] sort of funny > > Peanut butter? Works on gum in your hair. And leaves a nice sheen. > > > Bud Rolofson > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts) > 66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project) > 71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle) > Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > levilevi at comcast.net > > > > > On Dec 20, 2011, at 6:26 PM, oliver wrote: > > > we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky > > stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to > > remove it? I'm pretty sure we'll be removing the dash as the crash > > pads are cracked anyway > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/levilevi at comcast.net > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trmarty at hotmail.com From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Dec 20 21:30:32 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:30:32 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Modernity_of_Thinking?= Message-ID: <20111221043024.C11E6187648@autox.team.net> Has anyone used that 89mm kit? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: terryrs at comcast.net To: Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking Date: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 17:55 ....Yeah. ...Like I'm capable of it! Anyway, it's been ten years since I rebuilt the engine on my '59 TR3A, but am going to do it again this winter...as soon as I get a wood stove hooked up in my...yes! I have a garage this time! ....So...Moss has a piston/liner set for $578. Roadster Factory has Mahle for $900 that includes other stuff. Question: Mahle is German, I think, and served me exceedingly well last time. Anybody know about the quality of the Moss brand...or what it is? Second question: I went with an upgraded rear seal last time that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in the past ten years? I tried archives, but can't seem to see a clear change in styles. But I admit I haven't been following the list closely these past couple of years. Thanks again, everyone. Terry Smith New Hampshire ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Tue Dec 20 21:49:00 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:49:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Heat gun makes it easy to peel and takes most of the gunk with it if you're lucky. From wbeech at flash.net Tue Dec 20 21:57:32 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 22:57:32 -0600 Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking In-Reply-To: <720748793.1422455.1324425318767.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> <720748793.1422455.1324425318767.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I bought the 87mm kit from Moss 3,000 miles ago, no complaints runs fantastic! I installed the Moss rear seal at the same time, still lots of oil on the exhaust pipe and ground. I have heard of several other products that are supposed to be better, of course, I cannot comment from experience but Daryl Uprichard has a couple of solutions that sound interesting. Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" Big Country British Car Owners www.bcbco.org -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of terryrs at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:55 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking ...Yeah. ...Like I'm capable of it! Anyway, it's been ten years since I rebuilt the engine on my '59 TR3A, but am going to do it again this winter...as soon as I get a wood stove hooked up in my...yes! I have a garage this time! ...So...Moss has a piston/liner set for $578. Roadster Factory has Mahle for $900 that includes other stuff. Question: Mahle is German, I think, and served me exceedingly well last time. Anybody know about the quality of the Moss brand...or what it is? Second question: I went with an upgraded rear seal last time that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in the past ten years? I tried archives, but can't seem to see a clear change in styles. But I admit I haven't been following the list closely these past couple of years. Thanks again, everyone. Terry Smith New Hampshire ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 20 22:02:22 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:02:22 -0800 Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking In-Reply-To: <720748793.1422455.1324425318767.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <4EF0EFE0.7010200@adelphia.net> <720748793.1422455.1324425318767.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <00df01ccbf9d$b9af8400$0201a8c0@randall> > I went with an upgraded rear seal last time > that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. > Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in > the past ten years? Yes, there has. Unfortunately, it is intended to be used with the original scroll still on the crankshaft; while you have apparently had yours ground off. If the older style worked for you, then I'd just replace the seal portion, clip the same amount off the spring, and go with it. Unless you plan to replace the crank anyway. -- Randall From FordneyNJ at aol.com Tue Dec 20 22:10:49 2011 From: FordneyNJ at aol.com (FordneyNJ at aol.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 00:10:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay Message-ID: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 09:03:53 -0600 From: Tony Drews To: "TR List " Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A on eBay - NFI - anyone know the car? Message-ID: <20111220160508.55493187670 at autox.team.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I wonder what kind of "Bran" new they used for the 180 HP claim? That's exceedingly hard to accomplish unless you play with the correction parameters on the dyno to fudge the numbers. Tony And it has new bumpes! Rodney From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Tue Dec 20 22:12:08 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:12:08 -0800 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <00e001ccbf9f$177b3ec0$0201a8c0@randall> > Is there a > diagram which shows the actual wiring or is Dan's actually > complete. I believe Dan's is complete, for the original car. Your extra "regulators" (perhaps they are relays instead?) were probably added along with the meters of extra wiring. -- Randall - with 7 added relays and another on the bench From diggle at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 20 22:58:37 2011 From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 18:58:37 +1300 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom Message-ID: <4ef1758d.182.275a.26286@clear.net.nz> Thankyou for the replies, most appreciated. Under the dash I think that I should have: TURN SIGNAL FLASHER, GAUGE VOLTAGE STABILIZER plus the other ones (generator control box, starter solenoid, overdrive solenoid) either in the engine bay or on the overdrive. I have 3 extra relays or whateveres under the dash. I assume that someone has added relays plus lots more wiring for fog lights and interior lights. I will follow the advice given and test with the volt meter plus a 12V supply before I remove anymore wires, instead of just diving into it. Here is the photo URL: http://www.flickr.com/photos/72529043 at N03/?saved=1 From diggle at clear.net.nz Tue Dec 20 23:13:49 2011 From: diggle at clear.net.nz (diggle at clear.net.nz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:49 +1300 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom Message-ID: <4ef1791d.18.45ad.30559@clear.net.nz> I forgot to ask: Randall why the extra relays? Jim and the wireless TR4. From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Wed Dec 21 03:21:15 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 02:21:15 -0800 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4ef1791d.18.45ad.30559@clear.net.nz> References: <4ef1791d.18.45ad.30559@clear.net.nz> Message-ID: <00eb01ccbfca$45784270$0201a8c0@randall> > Randall why the extra relays? My car is an early TR3, which originally only had one brake light in the center. The other two lamps served only as tail lights and turn signals. So two of the relays are to make the corner lamps serve triple duty as stop/turn/tail, similar to the way most American cars worked back in the 60s. Then 4 of them are due to my perhaps over-the-top headlight wiring scheme, which uses a separate relay for each headlight filament. I got a good deal on a bulk purchase of relays ... http://goo.gl/uvjjs I have also added relays for the electric radiator fan; and the horns. BTW, if you have overdrive, there should also be a relay for the overdrive. -- Randall From sumton at sbcglobal.net Wed Dec 21 05:42:28 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:42:28 -0600 Subject: [TR] new acquisition Message-ID: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr4 we just picked this up yesterday. 1963 TR4 it has su carbs on it. it also came with a bunch of parts like lifters, another cam, another intake manifold (probably for the ZSs), etc. we were told it was raced in scca at one time. notice the funky hood - its fiberglass (I'm going to replace it if anyone wants it). I'm thinking it has a modified cam in it since there is another one with it. From tjwakeman at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 05:48:29 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 05:48:29 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3A on eBay In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF1D59D.5080902@gmail.com> > I wonder what kind of "Bran" new they used for the 180 HP > claim? That's exceedingly hard to accomplish unless you play with > the correction parameters on the dyno to fudge the numbers. > I was thinking oat bran. Oat bran helps flow through the pipes. Maybe with the right amount you can achieve a ram effect for better flow? Maybe oat bran with a 5% flax seed. I was also thinking that either English was not his first language or he is still working on learning a first language. I am reminded how the use of language affects the presentation of something for sale. Changing the subject, I was jazzed to find out that Triumphest is coming to town in 2012. It has been lonely having the only TR3 on the streets of Flagstaff. Teriann From Dave1massey at cs.com Wed Dec 21 06:07:48 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:07:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] sort of funny Message-ID: <45ba7.537280fd.3c233424@cs.com> Also keeps the poly bushings from squeaking. Dave In a message dated 12/20/2011 8:46:02 PM Central Standard Time, trmarty at hotmail.com writes: > I always wondered what your secret was. :) Marty > >From: levilevi at comcast.net > > > >Peanut butter? Works on gum in your hair. And leaves a nice sheen. From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 21 06:35:54 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:35:54 -0500 Subject: [TR] new acquisition In-Reply-To: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> References: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4EF1E0BA.4080706@adelphia.net> Dave, Is this your first TR4? Looks like a great car. I think the late TR4s came with a wood dash. Mine is metal and painted Spa white. Looks great. I would go with the metal dash. You will love the ride. Of my 3 Triumphs, a 58 3A, 63 4 and a 72 6, I like the looks of the 63 TR4 the best. Good luck on your restoration. Bob On 12/21/2011 07:42 AM, oliver wrote: > www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr4 > > we just picked this up yesterday. 1963 TR4 > > it has su carbs on it. it also came with a bunch of parts like lifters, > another cam, another intake manifold (probably for the ZSs), etc. we were > told it was raced in scca at one time. notice the funky hood - its fiberglass > (I'm going to replace it if anyone wants it). I'm thinking it has a modified > cam in it since there is another one with it. > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Dec 21 06:40:52 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:40:52 -0500 Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <1324415242.76614.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> <1324415242.76614.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4EF1E1E4.3000609@adelphia.net> Frank, Are you talking about the high beam switch? If so, the TR4 does not have a high beam switch on the column. Only on the lower left side panel just like the TR3. Heck even my 72 6 has the high beam switch on the left side panel, although it has a European style high beam blip switch on the headlight switch mounted on the column. Just pull it towards you for a quick on-off blip. Bob 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > its a TR2 or TR3 diagram > the TR4 is similar but the dip switch is up on the turn indicator. is it not? > Frank From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 09:00:07 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 08:00:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Wiring loom In-Reply-To: <4EF1E1E4.3000609@adelphia.net> References: <4ef0e2c8.1b1.299f.28307@clear.net.nz> <1324415242.76614.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4EF1E1E4.3000609@adelphia.net> Message-ID: <1324483207.1064.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> i stand/sit corrected. i wasn't sure where the modern cars had the dip switch located. hence the question mark? Frank From: Bob Labuz To: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:40 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring loom Frank, Are you talking about the high beam switch? If so, the TR4 does not have a high beam switch on the column. Only on the lower left side panel just like the TR3. Heck even my 72 6 has the high beam switch on the left side panel, although it has a European style high beam blip switch on the headlight switch mounted on the column. Just pull it towards you for a quick on-off blip. Bob 12/20/2011 04:07 PM, Frank Fisher wrote: > its a TR2 or TR3 diagram > the TR4 is similar but the dip switch is up on the turn indicator. is it not? > Frank From zoboherald at aol.com Wed Dec 21 09:47:01 2011 From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:47:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] new acquisition In-Reply-To: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> References: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <8CE8E174BADDB92-1FBC-499AD@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com> Nice! I'm very intrigued by the interior, which (save for the carpet) looks as if it might be original, perhaps Cactus Green (an extremely pale green that many mistake for off-white)? --Andy Mace *Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet? *Man: Well, no ... It's not so much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph Herald engine with wings. -- Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22) Triumph 10 / Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph Register: http://www.vtr.org Check out the North American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph Herald Database: http://triumph-herald.us -----Original Message----- From: oliver www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr4 we just picked this up yesterday. 1963 TR4ions/triumphs/zoboherald at aol.com From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 21 10:35:58 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 17:35:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] sort of funny In-Reply-To: <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> References: <7376.fb9a60e.3c225512@cs.com> <29FD1CDEAAF4457C91F52931163277B2@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <1324488958.10976.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Hi, Dave My son and I recently removed some artwork from his car that he'd used to advertise his business. The firm that originally supplied and fitted the material said that an ordinary domestic hairdryer would sufficiently warm the plastic to enable it's easy removal. Must admit I needed some convincing - but it worked great. Start at an edge and move the dryer up and down in a small area to get things started and then as you peel it back, just work on the area you want to loosen. It took us about an hour to do two sides, bonnet and rear tailgate. Then a thorough wash with car shampoo and a hose of cold water followed by a liquid wax polish that had a slightly 'cleansing' effect - and you wouldn't know the images had been there. It's worth a try and I guess you'll be repainting the dash anyway? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: oliver >To: triumphs at autox.team.net >Sent: Wednesday, 21 December 2011, 1:26 >Subject: [TR] sort of funny > >we just picked up a 63 tr4. the guy pasted that fake wood sticky stuff to the dashboard (nice touch). any recommendations on how to remove it? I'm pretty sure we'll be removing the dash as the crash pads are cracked anyway >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk From auprichard at uprichard.net Wed Dec 21 12:40:28 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:40:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking In-Reply-To: <20111221043024.C11E6187648@autox.team.net> References: <20111221043024.C11E6187648@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <726CBE3136264D39993344C77F9B5C35@DCH6RFC1> I used the 89mm kit in both my TR3s and am very happy with the result. The second car was dyno'd at 155 bhp (but had many other things done to it). The first car is more or less stock. I too was interested in the 180 bhp car in eBay. The relationship between performance and cost is a great example of an asymptotic curve: initial gains are reasonably inexpensive, but getting up around 180 the cost becomes much more significant. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:31 PM To: terryrs at comcast.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Modernity of Thinking Has anyone used that 89mm kit? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: terryrs at comcast.net To: Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking Date: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 17:55 ....Yeah. ...Like I'm capable of it! Anyway, it's been ten years since I rebuilt the engine on my '59 TR3A, but am going to do it again this winter...as soon as I get a wood stove hooked up in my...yes! I have a garage this time! ....So...Moss has a piston/liner set for $578. Roadster Factory has Mahle for $900 that includes other stuff. Question: Mahle is German, I think, and served me exceedingly well last time. Anybody know about the quality of the Moss brand...or what it is? Second question: I went with an upgraded rear seal last time that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in the past ten years? I tried archives, but can't seem to see a clear change in styles. But I admit I haven't been following the list closely these past couple of years. Thanks again, everyone. Terry Smith New Hampshire ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 21 12:53:14 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:53:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking In-Reply-To: <726CBE3136264D39993344C77F9B5C35@DCH6RFC1> References: <20111221043024.C11E6187648@autox.team.net> <726CBE3136264D39993344C77F9B5C35@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <1324497194.96150.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> a sympathetic curve ???? not from my wife!! From: Andrew Uprichard To: spook01 at comcast.net; terryrs at comcast.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [TR] Modernity of Thinking I used the 89mm kit in both my TR3s and am very happy with the result. The second car was dyno'd at 155 bhp (but had many other things done to it). The first car is more or less stock. I too was interested in the 180 bhp car in eBay. The relationship between performance and cost is a great example of an asymptotic curve: initial gains are reasonably inexpensive, but getting up around 180 the cost becomes much more significant. Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 11:31 PM To: terryrs at comcast.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Modernity of Thinking Has anyone used that 89mm kit? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: terryrs at comcast.net To: Subject: [TR] Modernity of Thinking Date: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 17:55 ....Yeah. ...Like I'm capable of it! Anyway, it's been ten years since I rebuilt the engine on my '59 TR3A, but am going to do it again this winter...as soon as I get a wood stove hooked up in my...yes! I have a garage this time! ....So...Moss has a piston/liner set for $578. Roadster Factory has Mahle for $900 that includes other stuff. Question: Mahle is German, I think, and served me exceedingly well last time. Anybody know about the quality of the Moss brand...or what it is? Second question: I went with an upgraded rear seal last time that had instructions to clip the spring by a certain amount. Has there been an improvement in the rear seal solution in the past ten years? I tried archives, but can't seem to see a clear change in styles. But I admit I haven't been following the list closely these past couple of years. Thanks again, everyone. Terry Smith New Hampshire ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Wed Dec 21 16:38:51 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 16:38:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] new acquisition In-Reply-To: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> References: <242B796AF9E04B2A93A65A58974F9B43@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Well done - enjoy. Hard for me to believe that it has been 10 years now since I bought my TR4 off ebay -- like you I wasn't really looking for a TR4 but sometimes these things sorta land in our lap. Like you say -- it looked good once. I look forward to the day when it looks good again (actually it looks pretty good even sitting on the trailer). Geo From n197tr4 at cs.com Thu Dec 22 07:24:48 2011 From: n197tr4 at cs.com (n197tr4 at cs.com) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:24:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR3/TR4 SCROLL SEALS - A REDESIGN Message-ID: <8CE8ECC98449E22-11E0-16AF@webmail-m133.sysops.aol.com> Terry asked about "anything new on the rear seal". Christian Marx in Germany came up with a new design that adds a VITON seal to the scroll function without the need to machine the crankshaft. The VTR magazine had an extensive installation article on this new design with pictures. This is from a 2010 issue. VERY comprehensive. In Kas Kastner's newest book, there is a complete chapter on leaks in our four cylinder engines. (Kas is offering the book. at the moment, free of shipping). Kas discusses Chris' new design, including the availability of a new centering tool that corrects an error in the factory centering tool dimensions. Joe A From terryrs at comcast.net Thu Dec 22 10:38:23 2011 From: terryrs at comcast.net (terryrs at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:38:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR3 Timing Gears In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <369746658.1500316.1324575503280.JavaMail.root@sz0059a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> As I ramp up thinking about what I need for a TR3A engine rebuild, I searched archives for anything current on how to source new timing gears. The question I seem to remember from years ago was whether quality after-market gears exist. Makes sense, as Listers in archives agree, to replace the gears and chain together. But many cited softness of the replacement gears. Any good quality repacements out there? --Maybe Ken Gilanders since I trust anything he sells? --or simply buy replacement gears and take them to a machine shop for hardening? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A New Hampshire From mark at bradakis.com Fri Dec 23 00:45:15 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:45:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] And to all a good night Message-ID: <4EF4318B.5060006@bradakis.com> I'll be heading off for the weekend to family festivities, hopefully the Team.Net server will behave while I'm away. If not, be patient I'll deal with it upon my return. mjb. From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 23 06:49:07 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:49:07 -0600 Subject: [TR] And to all a good night In-Reply-To: <4EF4318B.5060006@bradakis.com> References: <4EF4318B.5060006@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <014632F168E44D1BBE10FCD819631BA0@ranteer.local> I think I speak for all of us by saying thanks for all you do! have a great holiday -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis" Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 AM To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] And to all a good night > I'll be heading off for the weekend to family festivities, hopefully > the Team.Net server will behave while I'm away. If not, be patient > I'll deal with it upon my return. > > mjb. From wbeech at flash.net Fri Dec 23 08:13:24 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 09:13:24 -0600 Subject: [TR] And to all a good night In-Reply-To: <4EF4318B.5060006@bradakis.com> References: <4EF4318B.5060006@bradakis.com> Message-ID: Mark, Have a safe journey and thank you for all your server-support this year. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 23, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'll be heading off for the weekend to family festivities, hopefully > the Team.Net server will behave while I'm away. If not, be patient > I'll deal with it upon my return. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From tfansher at comcast.net Fri Dec 23 08:40:44 2011 From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:40:44 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] And to all a good night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39715426.56304.1324654844271.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> I think we all appreciate Mark and all he does for us. I also think that if we all reply at the same time we'll probably crash his server ;^) Merry Christmas Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wbeech" To: "Mark J Bradakis" Cc: "Triumphs" Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 10:13:24 AM Subject: Re: [TR] And to all a good night Mark, Have a safe journey and thank you for all your server-support this year. Bill Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 23, 2011, at 1:45 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > I'll be heading off for the weekend to family festivities, hopefully > the Team.Net server will behave while I'm away. If not, be patient > I'll deal with it upon my return. > > mjb. > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** From spook01 at comcast.net Fri Dec 23 09:30:28 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:30:28 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?And_to_all_a_good_night?= Message-ID: <20111223163017.A02F3187890@autox.team.net> Happy ramahanakwazamas to all! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "oliver" To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] And to all a good night Date: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 07:49 I think I speak for all of us by saying thanks for all you do! have a great holiday -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mark J Bradakis" Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 1:45 AM To: "Triumphs" Subject: [TR] And to all a good night > I'll be heading off for the weekend to family festivities, hopefully > the Team.Net server will behave while I'm away. If not, be patient > I'll deal with it upon my return. > > mjb. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 23 10:03:14 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:03:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Christmas in Coventry - 2011 style Message-ID: <1324659794.75799.YahooMailNeo@web29404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Just to wish all of you a very Happy Christmas and a peaceful 2012. Last night, I came home from the other side of Coventry and decided to do a little detour to the former factory site to see what was going on if anything. These are my findings: THE GLUEPOT - otherwise known as the Social Club and the only building still left standing had opened early for the evening and appeared to be doing a roaring trade. Maybe it hadn't actually opened and the people from lunchtime were still there! THE FORMER ENGINEERING BLOCK - now proudly occupied by Blockbuster Video and DVD rental, seemed the only place open and sorely lacking in customers FLETCH SOUTH - once the location for Home and Export Sales, plus the Parts Division was just one huge empty car park and with a modern office block with all the lights blazing and no-one in it. HERALD AVENUE was blocked in one lane where a BMW and one of the world's most popular taxis (you know, those things produced in Germany by Daimler Benz) had had what looked like a very costly 'coming together.' It was in just about the same place where three TR6's for the New York Show fell off their transporter on their way to the docks in 1970. Funny how what goes around often comes around later, ain't it? THE HOTEL - once the site of 18 - 26 shops (machining and heat treatment) was also pumping the alcoholic contents of its cellars down the throats of the occupants of cars in it's parking lot... ... and just around the corner, a police car awaited for a DUI - or two. Just like the old days really - except for the fact that there was probably less booze on those 95 acres yesterday than in days past when you probably could have floated the whole site on what went out of the gates as 'thank you' presents 'for business this year' on Christmas shut-down day. Have a great holiday everyone Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sat Dec 24 07:45:06 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 09:45:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Heater Hoses Message-ID: <000001ccc24a$abb36150$031a23f0$@net> Quick question to the list. Does it matter which way the water flows on the TR3 Heater? By that, I mean does it matter which connection on the Heater is hooked up to the shut-off valve side of the engine (passenger side)? The SPM (plate AU) implies that the inlet is the one that is on the dash side of the heater. Thanks Carl Making progress. From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 24 08:16:57 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 10:16:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] Leak down test on TR3A Message-ID: <2836A61775DD405191CFE6A49F247477@AlexPC> Well just did the leak down test on my TR3A with the low compression reading on #3 cylinder. Pumped in 100 lbs of pressure in 1,2,4. Saw a small continuous retreat on the gauge to zero pounds. All appeared to be about the same in leak down. Then did 3 cylinder. The cylinder, with 100 lbs being pumped in, would only send the gauge to 50 lbs with a steady air stream exiting the engine vent tube off the block. Appears to be the rings in #3. Any feedback appreciated! Alex Manzo 59 TR3A From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sat Dec 24 10:28:06 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:28:06 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp Message-ID: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> Near completion - just need to do the wiring but have to wait for a replacement relay. Haven't decided yet if I am going to put a period correct switch on/near/below the dash that will light up when in reverse. Got the switch but probably not. Switch: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevSwi tch.jpg Mount: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevLam p.jpg Didn't realize how dusty everything was getting until I saw the enlarged images.. That part is on hold for now. Next I am installing the heater. Then finishing up the dash electrics... You all do realize that just because Mark is on holiday - the list is still here... very little activity since Thursday. I guess it is a holiday though. Carl TS81802LO coming together finally. From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 10:40:26 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:40:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp In-Reply-To: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> References: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> Message-ID: Looking good. Is the switch made for outside function? I like the lamp as well. I found a lamp that looked OK at a vw bug catalog. Close to correct period, too. I'll be wiring it up during the holidays to the reverse switch on the Toyota transmission (hvda). From sumton at sbcglobal.net Sat Dec 24 11:23:18 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 12:23:18 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4 CT9683L In-Reply-To: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> References: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> Message-ID: hi, all. Happy Holidays! I'm sneaking some time on the TR4 even though it's the holidays. my questions (and I apologize since I can't find my original TR book): 1. When did they switch from SU to ZS? 2. which hood bulge should this car have? thanks! From Loumetelko at aol.com Sat Dec 24 12:24:36 2011 From: Loumetelko at aol.com (Loumetelko at aol.com) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:24:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR4 CT9683L Message-ID: <713d.299c94e4.3c2780f4@aol.com> hi, all. Happy Holidays! I'm sneaking some time on the TR4 even though it's the holidays. my questions (and I apologize since I can't find my original TR book): 1. When did they switch from SU to ZS? 2. which hood bulge should this car have? According to TRA's Judging Guide for the TR4 & 4A, the change from the SU H6 to the Stromberg CD-175 (ZS) occurred at engine number CT21471E. Before that there was a trial run of 100 from CT16801E to CT16901E. When the Stromberg CD-175 took effect they were factory issue for the balance of the TR4 production and even through the first 1 / 3 of the TR4A production. The change to the "long" bulge on the hood occurred very early in the TR4 production run at CT6429. Lou Metelko Auburn, Indiana From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 24 14:35:07 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:35:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A Leak down test-final findings Message-ID: <3B4E69A093704040AA686DA21CD96B2C@AlexPC> Well, found out the problem at least with the number 3 cylinder in my 59 TR3A. After establishing with the leak down test that we had a constant air stream exiting the engine vent tube, we pulled the head again, dropped the pan and pulled out #3 piston. The 2 piston channels where the rings seat were cracked and broken along with the ring (s). Everything was riding in its' place without any apparent damage. The sleeve wall had a few very minor scratches that the hone will easily remove. The piston is not 86mm as I earlier reported but 87mm with 3 rings. It is stamped RENZ 140pd in the hollow of the piston. A Google search did not turn up anything for this piston. So now a search for 1 piston with rings. There are many sets listed in the Moss catalog but then again even with the sets there does not appear to be 87mm 3 ring pistons. Anyone know if putting in an 87mm 4 ring would harm anything? Would appear not.........not sure about balance issues..............or anything else. So the main mystery is solved. Interesting point is how the smoking was almost eliminated with the last few drives just before I pulling the head. Now onto the carburetors and the condensation issues after the engine is put back together. Good time to replace the skinny roadside repair fan belt that was installed last year with a breakdown. :o) Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah and Happy New Years. Alex Manzo 59 TR3A Moss does not show a standard 87mm piston available From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Sat Dec 24 14:45:41 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:45:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3A Leak down test-final findings In-Reply-To: <3B4E69A093704040AA686DA21CD96B2C@AlexPC> References: <3B4E69A093704040AA686DA21CD96B2C@AlexPC> Message-ID: Could be a big problem if the pistons are not very close in weight. If the weight is really close I can't see why 3 or 4 rings would make much differrnce On Dec 24, 2011 4:39 PM, "Alex" wrote: > Well, found out the problem at least with the number 3 cylinder in my 59 > TR3A. > > After establishing with the leak down test that we had a constant air > stream > exiting the engine vent tube, we pulled the head again, dropped the pan and > pulled out #3 piston. > > The 2 piston channels where the rings seat were cracked and broken along > with > the ring (s). Everything was riding in its' place without any apparent > damage. > > The sleeve wall had a few very minor scratches that the hone will easily > remove. The piston is not 86mm as I earlier reported but 87mm with 3 > rings. It > is stamped RENZ 140pd in the hollow of the piston. A Google search did not > turn up anything for this piston. > > So now a search for 1 piston with rings. There are many sets listed in the > Moss catalog but then again even with the sets there does not appear to be > 87mm 3 ring pistons. > > Anyone know if putting in an 87mm 4 ring would harm anything? Would appear > not.........not sure about balance issues..............or anything else. > > So the main mystery is solved. Interesting point is how the smoking was > almost > eliminated with the last few drives just before I pulling the head. > > Now onto the carburetors and the condensation issues after the engine is > put > back together. > > Good time to replace the skinny roadside repair fan belt that was installed > last year with a breakdown. :o) > > Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah and Happy New Years. > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > > Moss does not show a standard 87mm piston available > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen at gmail.com From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 24 14:59:58 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 16:59:58 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3A Leak down test-final findings #2-Must be Christmas! Message-ID: <619E3C4016C94D4BA1A1B14BB83C32C5@AlexPC> Must Be Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last week I put out a query to the list if anyone heard of a piston with the following markings on the top of the piston. RA5228 STD Got no response and now I have identified that I need 1 piston 87mm. Really do not want to buy a whole set. Would be nice to find the original and a NOS would be the cat's meow. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270837323681 Alex Manzo 59 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" To: "*Triumphs List" Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: [TR] TR3A Leak down test-final findings > Well, found out the problem at least with the number 3 cylinder in my 59 > TR3A. > > After establishing with the leak down test that we had a constant air > stream > exiting the engine vent tube, we pulled the head again, dropped the pan > and > pulled out #3 piston. > > The 2 piston channels where the rings seat were cracked and broken along > with > the ring (s). Everything was riding in its' place without any apparent > damage. > > The sleeve wall had a few very minor scratches that the hone will easily > remove. The piston is not 86mm as I earlier reported but 87mm with 3 > rings. It > is stamped RENZ 140pd in the hollow of the piston. A Google search did not > turn up anything for this piston. > > So now a search for 1 piston with rings. There are many sets listed in the > Moss catalog but then again even with the sets there does not appear to be > 87mm 3 ring pistons. > > Anyone know if putting in an 87mm 4 ring would harm anything? Would appear > not.........not sure about balance issues..............or anything else. > > So the main mystery is solved. Interesting point is how the smoking was > almost > eliminated with the last few drives just before I pulling the head. > > Now onto the carburetors and the condensation issues after the engine is > put > back together. > > Good time to replace the skinny roadside repair fan belt that was > installed > last year with a breakdown. :o) > > Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah and Happy New > Years. > Alex Manzo > 59 TR3A > > Moss does not show a standard 87mm piston available From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Dec 24 20:41:02 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 22:41:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR3A Leak down test-final findings Message-ID: <45d70.6336ba6d.3c27f54d@cs.com> In a message dated 12/24/2011 3:38:34 PM Central Standard Time, ambritts at bellsouth.net writes: > Anyone know if putting in an 87mm 4 ring would harm anything? Would > appear > not.........not sure about balance issues..............or anything else. > Harm? Probably not. Back when I was in college I had a 65 MGB with a knackered engine. I pulled it apart and found two short skirt pistons and two long skirt pistons. The car ran fine for several years before I tore it down. If you're not going to rave it or drive it hard on the street it will probably be fine. The most bizzar piston mod I heard of was on a Model T that had a a bad knock. Turns out someone hand made a piston of hardwood. Once it got hot it preignited the gas pretty effectively. Dave From ambritts at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 24 21:08:10 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:08:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: TR3A Leak down test-final findings #2-Must be Christmas! In-Reply-To: References: <619E3C4016C94D4BA1A1B14BB83C32C5@AlexPC> Message-ID: <59C085EE396F4A95815A67920BF47169@AlexPC> Actually I found the NOS match in AU per the link. Thanks much though! Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Simo To: Alex Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [TR] Fw: TR3A Leak down test-final findings #2-Must be Christmas! Ill check my pistons on monday On Dec 24, 2011 5:00 PM, "Alex" wrote: Must Be Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!! Last week I put out a query to the list if anyone heard of a piston with the following markings on the top of the piston. RA5228 STD Got no response and now I have identified that I need 1 piston 87mm. Really do not want to buy a whole set. Would be nice to find the original and a NOS would be the cat's meow. http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270837323681 Alex Manzo 59 TR3A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex" To: "*Triumphs List" Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:35 PM Subject: [TR] TR3A Leak down test-final findings Well, found out the problem at least with the number 3 cylinder in my 59 TR3A. After establishing with the leak down test that we had a constant air stream exiting the engine vent tube, we pulled the head again, dropped the pan and pulled out #3 piston. The 2 piston channels where the rings seat were cracked and broken along with the ring (s). Everything was riding in its' place without any apparent damage. The sleeve wall had a few very minor scratches that the hone will easily remove. The piston is not 86mm as I earlier reported but 87mm with 3 rings. It is stamped RENZ 140pd in the hollow of the piston. A Google search did not turn up anything for this piston. So now a search for 1 piston with rings. There are many sets listed in the Moss catalog but then again even with the sets there does not appear to be 87mm 3 ring pistons. Anyone know if putting in an 87mm 4 ring would harm anything? Would appear not.........not sure about balance issues..............or anything else. So the main mystery is solved. Interesting point is how the smoking was almost eliminated with the last few drives just before I pulling the head. Now onto the carburetors and the condensation issues after the engine is put back together. Good time to replace the skinny roadside repair fan belt that was installed last year with a breakdown. :o) Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah and Happy New Years. Alex Manzo 59 TR3A Moss does not show a standard 87mm piston available From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 25 09:58:21 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 08:58:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <1324832301.86705.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Holidays list! Please reply off list to give me the address of where I can find the dates & motel address of the VTR '12 convention. I thought that is was going to be in April in conjunction with Road Atlanta's celebration of TRIUMPH being the marque? But the wife found something in Galveston, TX. So what's up? -Cosmo Kramer From mmarr at notwires.com Sun Dec 25 15:23:49 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 16:23:49 -0600 Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: <7FA939264A654C61BF7C216EFAD5133A@trigeni.com> I was at Binny's liquor store here, looking for Spifire ale (that's the extent of the Triumph content of this note), when I found a six pack of Cain's Dark Mild. For those of you that did not grow up in the UK, the pubs in GB generally used to have three draft beers - bitter, mild, and best bitter. Mild has pretty much disapeared from the landscape now, as far as I can tell, so I was very excited to find this beer here in the US. Cain's is a brewery I have never heard of but is apparently located in Liverpool (Frank Fisher - have you heard of them?). Anyway, it is an EXCELLENT mild, and I can heartily recommend it to any of you beer aficianados out there (and I know there are several...). Merry Christmas to all! Mike From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Sun Dec 25 17:09:04 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:09:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: <25e54.4b5e1962.3c291520@aol.com> I'm a Brit ex-Pat living in Canada. For those of you liking British beer, I can recommend one that is sometimes available in N.America: Fuller's London Porter (not London Pride--yuk!). I will take a photo of a can of it on the bonnet of my TR3A (here speaketh the TR content...). Nice post, Mike. Tim. Merry Christmas, all. In a message dated 25/12/2011 5:28:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mmarr at notwires.com writes: I was at Binny's liquor store here, looking for Spifire ale (that's the extent of the Triumph content of this note), when I found a six pack of Cain's Dark Mild. For those of you that did not grow up in the UK, the pubs in GB generally used to have three draft beers - bitter, mild, and best bitter. Mild has pretty much disapeared from the landscape now, as far as I can tell, so I was very excited to find this beer here in the US. Cain's is a brewery I have never heard of but is apparently located in Liverpool (Frank Fisher - have you heard of them?). Anyway, it is an EXCELLENT mild, and I can heartily recommend it to any of you beer aficianados out there (and I know there are several...). Merry Christmas to all! Mike ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees at aol.com From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Sun Dec 25 19:58:47 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:58:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Beer! In-Reply-To: <7FA939264A654C61BF7C216EFAD5133A@trigeni.com> References: <7FA939264A654C61BF7C216EFAD5133A@trigeni.com> Message-ID: <1324868327.90823.YahooMailNeo@web120204.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Merry Christmas Mike i do know Cain's. i know them rather too well really. but i have not had a pint of Cain's in so many years. oh what sorrow. on the same topic i have found a Scottish brew called "wee heavy". oh i could easily slip into alcoholism. and with a mixture of Cain's and Heavy it could have been an even merry Christmas. god bless all Frank ________________________________ From: Michael Marr To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 2:23 PM Subject: [TR] Beer! I was at Binny's liquor store here, looking for Spifire ale (that's the extent of the Triumph content of this note), when I found a six pack of Cain's Dark Mild. For those of you that did not grow up in the UK, the pubs in GB generally used to have three draft beers - bitter, mild, and best bitter. Mild has pretty much disapeared from the landscape now, as far as I can tell, so I was very excited to find this beer here in the US. Cain's is a brewery I have never heard of but is apparently located in Liverpool (Frank Fisher - have you heard of them?). Anyway, it is an EXCELLENT mild, and I can heartily recommend it to any of you beer aficianados out there (and I know there are several...). Merry Christmas to all! Mike ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com From pethier at comcast.net Sun Dec 25 20:13:43 2011 From: pethier at comcast.net (pethier at comcast.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 03:13:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <1324832301.86705.YahooMailNeo@web39405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Galveston Texas in late October is the 2012 VTR. Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red pethier [at] comcast [dot] net http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk http://www.mnautox.com ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cosmo Kramer" > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:58:21 AM > Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all > Happy Holidays list! > > Please reply off list to give me the address of where I > can find the dates & motel address of the VTR '12 convention. I > thought that > is was going to be in April in conjunction with Road Atlanta's > celebration of > TRIUMPH being the marque? But the wife found something in Galveston, > TX. So > what's up? > > -Cosmo Kramer > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net From wbeech at flash.net Sun Dec 25 20:34:51 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 21:34:51 -0600 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <79F5C402-2BFC-403B-BFA8-D10F8E25EC2B@flash.net> www.texastriumphregister.org Sent from mobile Bill On Dec 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: > Galveston Texas in late October is the 2012 VTR. > > Phil Ethier West Side Saint Paul Minnesota USA > 1973 Triumph Stag LE22439UBW "uncle jack", Sapphire Blue > 2004 Suburban 8.1, Sport Red, the only automatic of the bunch > 2005 Lotus Elise, Bordeaux Red Pearl > 2007 Saturn Ion 3 2.4, Berry Red > pethier [at] comcast [dot] net > http://www.flickr.com/photos/pethier > http://www.triumphtransamerica.org.uk > http://www.mnautox.com > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cosmo Kramer" >> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:58:21 AM >> Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all >> Happy Holidays list! >> >> Please reply off list to give me the address of where I >> can find the dates & motel address of the VTR '12 convention. I >> thought that >> is was going to be in April in conjunction with Road Atlanta's >> celebration of >> TRIUMPH being the marque? But the wife found something in Galveston, >> TX. So >> what's up? >> >> -Cosmo Kramer >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/pethier at comcast.net > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From Dave1massey at cs.com Sun Dec 25 21:00:53 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:00:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: <7dfd.40a954d4.3c294b75@cs.com> In a message dated 12/25/2011 6:12:23 PM Central Standard Time, KingsCreekTrees at aol.com writes: > I'm a Brit ex-Pat living in Canada. For those of you liking British beer, > I > can recommend one that is sometimes available in N.America: Fuller's > London Porter (not London Pride--yuk!). > Stop it! STOP IT! I'm stuck here with nothing better than my Newcastle Brown. Happy Christmas Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Sun Dec 25 21:14:27 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:14:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: <810b.3f36e908.3c294ea3@cs.com> In a message dated 12/25/2011 8:59:02 PM Central Standard Time, yellowtr3 at yahoo.com writes: > on the same > topic i have found a Scottish brew called "wee heavy". oh i could easily > slip > into alcoholism. Ah, yes. Good ol' Belhaven. I've sipped a few of those and their Twisted thistle, too. But I have to go to the one and only Scottish pub here in town wich isn't all that bad either. Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Sun Dec 25 21:22:58 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:22:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <828c.24b3daf3.3c2950a2@cs.com> In a message dated 12/25/2011 11:00:16 AM Central Standard Time, tr4a2712 at yahoo.com writes: > Please reply off list to give me the address of where I > can find the dates &motel address of the VTR '12 convention. I thought > that > is was going to be in April in conjunction with Road Atlanta's celebration > of > TRIUMPH being the marque? But the wife found something in Galveston, TX. > So > what's up? > Hey, Cosmo. Check out this http://www.kingswayrc.com/txtr/ Oct 28 - Nov 2. Bring a costume. The VTR convention that coincides with the Mitty is the South Central Regional in Tulsa. Same weekend, 1200 miles apart. Dave From mmarr at notwires.com Sun Dec 25 21:56:31 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:56:31 -0600 Subject: [TR] Beer! References: <7dfd.40a954d4.3c294b75@cs.com> Message-ID: <5219C49726794A6E9F1A26D7BAB8B630@trigeni.com> There's nothing wrong with a Newkie... Mike > > > Stop it! STOP IT! I'm stuck here with nothing better than my Newcastle > Brown. From jimmuller at rcn.com Sun Dec 25 22:31:01 2011 From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 00:31:01 -0500 Subject: [TR] Beer! In-Reply-To: <5219C49726794A6E9F1A26D7BAB8B630@trigeni.com> Message-ID: <4EF7C045.21799.2207672@localhost> On 25 Dec 2011 at 22:56, Michael Marr wrote: > There's nothing wrong with a Newkie... > > > Stop it! STOP IT! I'm stuck here with nothing better than my > > Newcastle Brown. I confess two things. I have not followed this thread as closely as I ought. I have discovered Leviathan IPA. All other beer pales. It's a good thing that I don't drink beer so often or both my liver and my wallet would suffer. -- Jim Muller jimmuller at rcn.com '80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+ From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 26 04:51:52 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] Christmas presents Message-ID: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> After a day of pleasant rest and not too much 'excess' for myself, I guess I now find myself in eager anticipation of finding out from my silver screen: .how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool . set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car . brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk From Chip19474 at aol.com Mon Dec 26 05:54:15 2011 From: Chip19474 at aol.com (Chip19474 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:54:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Christmas presents Message-ID: <8ea0.6f2faa90.3c29c877@aol.com> They haven't arrived yet but the slightly tardy Triumph Santa is bringing me Velocity Stacks for my TR6 triple carb setup......there's nothing like a little race car bling for the guy who really doesn't need anything for Christmas:) Chip Krout Delaware Valley Triumphs, Ltd. Skippack, PA 1976 TR6 CF57822U In a message dated 12/26/2011 6:58:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk writes: how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool . set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car . brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 06:17:20 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 06:17:20 -0700 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> On 12/25/11 8:13 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: > Galveston Texas in late October is the 2012 VTR. In addition there is Triumphest during September 27 -- 30, 2012. This year it will be in Flagstaff, AZ Teriann With the only TR3 prowling the streets of Flagstaff. From Dave1massey at cs.com Mon Dec 26 06:53:10 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:53:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/25/2011 10:56:33 PM Central Standard Time, mmarr at notwires.com writes: > There's nothing wrong with a Newkie... > Very true. But they are so well distributed here in the colonies that I'm getting jaded. What I really like about taking holiday in Britian is having a pint of the local bitter at the various pubs, Here in the states there are quite a few microbreweries (much more than just a decade ago) but stil about all you can find at most bars is yellow beer. Good beer if you like that kind but I don't. We are getting a bit off topic. But this is a British Car forum and beer was an integral part of the making of British cars, wot? Cheers Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Mon Dec 26 06:56:41 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:56:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: In a message dated 12/25/2011 11:31:14 PM Central Standard Time, jimmuller at rcn.com writes: > I confess two things. I have not followed this thread as closely as > I ought. I have discovered Leviathan IPA. All other beer pales. > It's a good thing that I don't drink beer so often or both my liver > and my wallet would suffer. > Just my opinion (and you know what I say about opinions) but I am not a big fan or hops so I steer clear of IPA's. When looking for TLA's I go for ESB's. Dave Glossary: IPA: India Pale Ale ESB: Extra Special Bitter TLA: Three Letter Acronyms From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 08:24:37 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:24:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week In-Reply-To: References: <002701ccc261$6711fc70$3535f550$@net> Message-ID: <000001ccc3e2$7d7e0da0$787a28e0$@net> Following Chris' comment I made a modification to the switch mounting. New image at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevSwi tch-1.jpg The cover is made from the 'bucket' mounting for a windshield washer pump (it was a damaged pump) and a coil plug wire boot. Fit perfectly. Now I won't have to worry about a stray water spray hitting the hot side of the switch. Mount is still at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevLam p.jpg Hope all is well with everyone this day after Christmas. I am off all this week so I am hoping to make great strides in getting the project done. I'll be finishing up the seat re-assembly today as well as working on the never ending battle of the under-dash electrics. Next (after electrics) is the floor insulation and carpeting. I bought a small piece of high temp (1750d) heat insulation (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-050508/ ) to place between the exhaust system and the floorboard/tunnel areas plus a product called EZCool (http://www.lobucrod.com/ ) to install under the carpet. We'll see if they help with the heat buildup. Enough for now. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:40 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp Looking good. Is the switch made for outside function? I like the lamp as well. I found a lamp that looked OK at a vw bug catalog. Close to correct period, too. I'll be wiring it up during the holidays to the reverse switch on the Toyota transmission (hvda). ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 08:25:38 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:25:38 -0500 Subject: [TR] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000401ccc3e2$9fff84d0$dffe8e70$@net> It was a relatively quiet day at the Musson household. This is the year that everyone else seemed to be at the 'other' side of the family so it was just the two of us. Family will be stopping by when they get back in the area later in the week or even next year... :^) My wife got me the latest Piggott book (TR... in Detail) to add to my collection. And it is that - much more detail than the previous book which I noticed was going for $185+ on eBay.... She also renewed my TRF Club membership. Her other major TR gift was a book of 'certificates' each worth 4 hours of time to work on (or play with as she puts it) the TR during the next year... 200 of them.... That is an average of about 16 hours each week. I am not sure if she realized that would be all day Saturday & Sunday - every week... but I'm not saying anything... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:52 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Christmas presents After a day of pleasant rest and not too much 'excess' for myself, I guess I now find myself in eager anticipation of finding out from my silver screen: .how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool . set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car . brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 26 10:16:24 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:16:24 -0600 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> Message-ID: <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> fyi - for those going to flagstaff, there is a wonderful motel in Holbrook, AZ, called the wigwam motel http://www.galerie-kokopelli.com/wigwam/ we stayed there a few years ago and it is an absolute hoot! highly recommended -------------------------------------------------- From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:17 AM To: Subject: Re: [TR] Merry Christmas to all > On 12/25/11 8:13 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >> Galveston Texas in late October is the 2012 VTR. > > In addition there is Triumphest during September 27 -- 30, 2012. > > This year it will be in Flagstaff, AZ From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com Mon Dec 26 10:31:38 2011 From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:31:38 -0600 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> Message-ID: Hello list- We also have a Wigwam Village near my hometown of Bowling Green, Ky. Here it is- http://www.wigwamvillage.com/ As a child, in spite of many requests, I never got the benefit of staying there. So, as an adult, I took my children annually, along with 5 other Dads and their children. We created great memories there. Mammoth Cave National Park is very close, as it the Corvette Museum. Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law 1011 Lehman Avenue Suite 102 Bowling Green, KY. 42103 Sent from my iPad On Dec 26, 2011, at 11:20 AM, "oliver" wrote: > fyi - for those going to flagstaff, there is a wonderful motel in Holbrook, AZ, called the wigwam motel > > http://www.galerie-kokopelli.com/wigwam/ > > we stayed there a few years ago and it is an absolute hoot! highly recommended > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:17 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [TR] Merry Christmas to all > >> On 12/25/11 8:13 PM, pethier at comcast.net wrote: >>> Galveston Texas in late October is the 2012 VTR. >> >> In addition there is Triumphest during September 27 -- 30, 2012. >> >> This year it will be in Flagstaff, AZ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.co m From ambritts at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 26 10:47:04 2011 From: ambritts at bellsouth.net (Alex) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:47:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: Merry Christmas-thought I would share! Message-ID: The Night Before Christmas 'Twas the night before Christmas and out in the shed Sat a tired old Triumph, its battery dead. Its fenders were rusted, the floorpan had holes The seats and the carpets had been eaten by voles The tires had dry-rot, the gas tank was leaking A turn of the wheel sent tie rods a-creaking. So I put on my coat with a weight on my heart, And went out to the shed to get it to start. The engine turned over--there arose such a clatter! I knew from the sound it was timing chain chatter. >From under the dashboard there came a bright flash: The wiring harness had just turned to ash! "I've had it with Triumphs!" I finally swore "Enough is too much! I can't take any more!" When what to my red, teary eyes should appear But a little Englishman (hey, I might need a beer!) "Good Day," I heard, as he tapped my shoulder. "I'm Joe Lucas" he said as the car continued to smolder. "This one can be saved; there's no reason to grieve. All you need is some faith--Man, you've got to believe! "A hammer! Some duct tape! Get me more tools! When you work on these cars, just make up the rules! We'll get her cranked over - no way that she'll stall (But stand over there with your back to the wall.)" A cough and a sputter, the cacophony stunning-- I couldn't believe it! The damn thing was running! The ghost winked at me and said, kicking a tire, "Whatever you do, DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE!" The old man then vanished amid sneezes and farts But when the smoke cleared he had left me some parts. So I opened the shed door and let the top down Put pedal to metal and went out on the town. And I thought to myself as I missed second gear Merry Christmas to All and a Happy New Year! From tr4a2712 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 10:49:17 2011 From: tr4a2712 at yahoo.com (Cosmo Kramer) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 09:49:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Happy Boxing Day to all! Message-ID: <1324921757.23782.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Happy Boxing Day to all! I just want to thank every one who replied to my question about VRT '12. I'm now in the process of installing the Christian Marx's Rear Engine Seal, before I start thinking about where to go. If ANYONE has knowledge of installing it, then feel free to contact me off line about installation you did. I have a question about the hole drilling in the Machined Engine Seal (MEC). -Cosmo Kramer From mmarr at notwires.com Mon Dec 26 10:51:53 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:51:53 -0600 Subject: [TR] Beer! References: <4EF7C045.21799.2207672@localhost> Message-ID: <733B798A4B21465CA8C0F8B7ABDB8648@trigeni.com> Jim: I prefer to drink from glasses rather than pails. Mike > I ought. I have discovered Leviathan IPA. All other beer pales. From mmarr at notwires.com Mon Dec 26 10:54:10 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:54:10 -0600 Subject: [TR] Beer! References: Message-ID: <0FE43A5438F14AA6ABF48B299226526E@trigeni.com> But I did point out that my initial quest was for Spitfire ale... Mike > > We are getting a bit off topic. But this is a British Car forum and beer > was an integral part of the making of British cars, wot? > > Cheers > > Dave From mhooper at indiefilmnet.com Mon Dec 26 12:01:00 2011 From: mhooper at indiefilmnet.com (Mark Hooper) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:01:00 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fw: Merry Christmas-thought I would share! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Oy Vey... Still, it's the thought that counts and I did laugh. At least McGonagall is in no danger of losing his crown. Merry Christmas to all too! Mark 1972 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex Sent: December 26, 2011 12:47 PM To: *Triumphs List Subject: [TR] Fw: Merry Christmas-thought I would share! The Night Before Christmas 'Twas the night before Christmas and out in the shed Sat a tired old Triumph, its battery dead. Its fenders were rusted, the floorpan had holes The seats and the carpets had been eaten by voles The tires had dry-rot, the gas tank was leaking A turn of the wheel sent tie rods a-creaking. So I put on my coat with a weight on my heart, And went out to the shed to get it to start. The engine turned over--there arose such a clatter! I knew from the sound it was timing chain chatter. >From under the dashboard there came a bright flash: The wiring harness had just turned to ash! "I've had it with Triumphs!" I finally swore "Enough is too much! I can't take any more!" When what to my red, teary eyes should appear But a little Englishman (hey, I might need a beer!) "Good Day," I heard, as he tapped my shoulder. "I'm Joe Lucas" he said as the car continued to smolder. "This one can be saved; there's no reason to grieve. All you need is some faith--Man, you've got to believe! "A hammer! Some duct tape! Get me more tools! When you work on these cars, just make up the rules! We'll get her cranked over - no way that she'll stall (But stand over there with your back to the wall.)" A cough and a sputter, the cacophony stunning-- I couldn't believe it! The damn thing was running! The ghost winked at me and said, kicking a tire, "Whatever you do, DO NOT TOUCH THIS WIRE!" The old man then vanished amid sneezes and farts But when the smoke cleared he had left me some parts. So I opened the shed door and let the top down Put pedal to metal and went out on the town. And I thought to myself as I missed second gear Merry Christmas to All and a Happy New Year! From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 12:04:07 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:04:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: Christmas presents Message-ID: <000001ccc401$2cb6ca50$86245ef0$@net> It was a relatively quiet day at the Musson household. This is the year that everyone else seemed to be at the 'other' side of the family so it was just the two of us. Family will be stopping by when they get back in the area later in the week or even next year... :^) My wife got me the latest Piggott book (TR... in Detail) to add to my collection. And it is that - much more detail than the previous book which I noticed was going for $185+ on eBay.... She also renewed my TRF Club membership. Her other major TR gift was a book of 'certificates' each worth 4 hours of time to work on (or play with as she puts it) the TR during the next year... 200 of them.... That is an average of about 16 hours each week. I am not sure if she realized that would be all day Saturday & Sunday - every week... but I'm not saying anything... -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:52 AM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Christmas presents After a day of pleasant rest and not too much 'excess' for myself, I guess I now find myself in eager anticipation of finding out from my silver screen: .how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool . set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car . brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? Jonmac From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 12:05:04 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:05:04 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week Message-ID: <000101ccc401$48885f50$d9991df0$@net> Following Chris' comment I made a modification to the switch mounting. New image at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevSwi tch-1.jpg The cover is made from the 'bucket' mounting for a windshield washer pump (it was a damaged pump) and a coil plug wire boot. Fit perfectly. Now I won't have to worry about a stray water spray hitting the hot side of the switch. Mount is still at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevLam p.jpg Hope all is well with everyone this day after Christmas. I am off all this week so I am hoping to make great strides in getting the project done. I'll be finishing up the seat re-assembly today as well as working on the never ending battle of the under-dash electrics. Next (after electrics) is the floor insulation and carpeting. I bought a small piece of high temp (1750d) heat insulation (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-050508/ ) to place between the exhaust system and the floorboard/tunnel areas plus a product called EZCool (http://www.lobucrod.com/ ) to install under the carpet. We'll see if they help with the heat buildup. Enough for now. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:40 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp Looking good. Is the switch made for outside function? I like the lamp as well. I found a lamp that looked OK at a vw bug catalog. Close to correct period, too. I'll be wiring it up during the holidays to the reverse switch on the Toyota transmission (hvda). From tjwakeman at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 12:21:28 2011 From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 12:21:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <4EF8C938.1020703@gmail.com> On 12/26/11 10:16 AM, oliver wrote: > fyi - for those going to flagstaff, there is a wonderful motel in > Holbrook, AZ, called the wigwam motel > > http://www.galerie-kokopelli.com/wigwam/ > There are also a LOT of motels in Flagstaff, mostly along route 66 or along I-40. The ones on I-40 tend to be about 30+% more expensive than those along route 66. Just like the gas stations along I-40 tend to be about $0.25/gal more expensive than those in town. Cheapest is SAMs club gas, second is usually Safeway & Frys stations Then there are about a dozen or so stations about 3 to 5 cents more expensive then the ones by the freeway that are way more expensive. Little America is just off I-40 about mid town. All the motels in town tend to be within about 15 minutes of Little America. Teriann From don.hiscock at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 12:28:09 2011 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:28:09 -0600 Subject: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week In-Reply-To: <000101ccc401$48885f50$d9991df0$@net> References: <000101ccc401$48885f50$d9991df0$@net> Message-ID: Carl, the rear lamp looks nice. How do you think it will affect your clearance on ramps, if at all? Looks a little vulnerable from the pic. Don TSF202L On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Carl TR wrote: > Following Chris' comment I made a modification to the switch mounting. > New image at: > > http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevSwi > tch-1.jpg > > The cover is made from the 'bucket' mounting for a windshield washer pump > (it was a damaged pump) and a coil plug wire boot. Fit perfectly. Now I > won't have to worry about a stray water spray hitting the hot side of the > switch. > Mount is still at: > > http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevLam > p.jpg > > Hope all is well with everyone this day after Christmas. I am off all > this > week so I am hoping to make great strides in getting the project done. > I'll > be finishing up the seat re-assembly today as well as working on the never > ending battle of the under-dash electrics. Next (after electrics) is the > floor insulation and carpeting. I bought a small piece of high temp > (1750d) > heat insulation (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-050508/ ) to place > between the exhaust system and the floorboard/tunnel areas plus a product > called EZCool (http://www.lobucrod.com/ ) to install under the carpet. > We'll see if they help with the heat buildup. > > Enough for now. > Carl > > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net > [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo > Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:40 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp > > Looking good. Is the switch made for outside function? > > I like the lamp as well. I found a lamp that looked OK at a vw bug catalog. > Close to correct period, too. I'll be wiring it up during the holidays to > the reverse switch on the Toyota transmission (hvda). > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com From lgmtr6 at yahoo.com Mon Dec 26 13:23:17 2011 From: lgmtr6 at yahoo.com (lgmtr6) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:23:17 +0000 Subject: [TR] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: All good things for Christmas! A set of Stag door panels, some tools for the ongoing projects and the TR6 hard top is painted, waiting to be picked up. All in all, a pretty good haul! Larry Miceli Mount Dora, Fla 58 TR3 project 73 Stag project 74 TR6 Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:51:52 To: Triumph List Reply-To: John Macartney Subject: [TR] Christmas presents After a day of pleasant rest and not too much 'excess' for myself, I guess I now find myself in eager anticipation of finding out from my silver screen: .how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool . set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car . brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/lgmtr6 at yahoo.com From triumph.driver at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 13:49:27 2011 From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:49:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: <20111226202828.E11C218788F@autox.team.net> References: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20111226202828.E11C218788F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I got a pair of string-backed driving gloves and a TR6 logo'd T-shirt (was supposed to be a TR4A). Does that qualify? Chuck White Xenia, OH 1965 TR4A 1970 GT6+ -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 11:51:52 To: Triumph List Reply-To: John Macartney Subject: [TR] Christmas presents After a day of pleasant rest and not too much 'excess' for myself, I guess I now find myself in eager anticipation of finding out from my silver screen: .how the Triumph parts business went .who received an electronic ignition kit .brake pipe bending tool .set of RH steer seat covers for a LH drive car .brake and/or clutch master cylinder repair kit - and everything else? Jonmac From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 13:54:37 2011 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:54:37 -0700 Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all In-Reply-To: <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> References: <689236970.1531116.1324869223925.JavaMail.root@sz0119a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> <4EF873E0.9030405@gmail.com> <861DC33C2838417BAC728143E2E98A11@ranteer.local> Message-ID: On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 10:16 AM, oliver wrote: > fyi - for those going to flagstaff, there is a wonderful motel in > Holbrook, AZ, called the wigwam motel... > Our British car group has stayed there a couple of times on our annual loop around Arizona, most recemtly last October: http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc499/Ahwahnee18/Wigwam.jpg A fine en route stop, though the host hotel for Triumphest - Little America -- is a great setting and excellent value that our group has often used in the past. Geo From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 14:01:25 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:01:25 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week In-Reply-To: References: <000101ccc401$48885f50$d9991df0$@net> Message-ID: <001201ccc411$89566350$9c0329f0$@net> The ground clearance is about < less than the exhaust pipe bracket on the other side and about < more than the end of the exhaust pipe (without extension). But since I vaguely remember dragging the tail pipe a time or two, you bring up a good point. I have a not so cherry WIPAC version of the rear lamp in the a parts pile (not even close to a driver condition). I may install it when I get to the test drive phase to make sure. If it is an issue, I can perhaps make the bracket with a recess ( _|-- ) so that it sits higher or as a alternative make a longer bracket and mount it the other direction next to the over-rider. Carl From: Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:28 PM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week Carl, the rear lamp looks nice. How do you think it will affect your clearance on ramps, if at all? Looks a little vulnerable from the pic. Don TSF202L On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Carl TR wrote: Following Chris' comment I made a modification to the switch mounting. New image at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevSwi tch-1.jpg The cover is made from the 'bucket' mounting for a windshield washer pump (it was a damaged pump) and a coil plug wire boot. Fit perfectly. Now I won't have to worry about a stray water spray hitting the hot side of the switch. Mount is still at: http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af136/cfmtr3a/Information%20Items/RevLam p.jpg Hope all is well with everyone this day after Christmas. I am off all this week so I am hoping to make great strides in getting the project done. I'll be finishing up the seat re-assembly today as well as working on the never ending battle of the under-dash electrics. Next (after electrics) is the floor insulation and carpeting. I bought a small piece of high temp (1750d) heat insulation (http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-050508/ ) to place between the exhaust system and the floorboard/tunnel areas plus a product called EZCool (http://www.lobucrod.com/ ) to install under the carpet. We'll see if they help with the heat buildup. Enough for now. Carl -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 12:40 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 Reverse Lamp Looking good. Is the switch made for outside function? I like the lamp as well. I found a lamp that looked OK at a vw bug catalog. Close to correct period, too. I'll be wiring it up during the holidays to the reverse switch on the Toyota transmission (hvda). ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 26 14:39:10 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:39:10 -0600 Subject: [TR] What Is It? Message-ID: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 15:00:21 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:00:21 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=5BMg-t=5D_What_Is_It=3F?= Message-ID: <20111226220010.D0714187674@autox.team.net> It's a Morgan, going where morgans go.... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech at flash.net To: "'TR List '" , Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 15:39 Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 15:34:30 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:34:30 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=5BMg-t=5D_What_Is_It=3F?= Message-ID: <20111226223419.3DD5D187648@autox.team.net> Particularly those hairy, tooled leather bonnet straps the owners seem so very fond of! But a funny Morgan story: my buddy had a black +4 and wanted to convert it to something called a Super Sports (or perhaps just Sport) model. Apparently it required different bonnet side panels from his Standard model. What to do? He ordered new side panels directly from Morgan using the serial number of his car! We spent months listening to tales of how Morgan kept wonderfully complete records on every car they made..had the best support of any company...hand made...true craftsmanship....blah, blah, blah.. The panels arrived at long last, and after filler priming, sanding, painting, careful polishing, delicate handling, ad nauseum, the panels were fitted and the bonnet closed. We all watched as the bonnet was carefully, gently, lovingly, lowered.....to find Morgan made it five inches too shallow on one side, four on the other. We rolled on the grass, lol! Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "s4usea at yahoo. com" To: "spook01 at comcast.net" , , "'TR List '" , Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 16:15 Morgan in front, something less desirable in back. Morgans are almost always worth the effort... Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! -----Original message----- From: "spook01 at comcast.net" To: wbeech at flash.net, 'TR List ' , Mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 17:00:17 EST Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What Is It? It's a Morgan, going where morgans go.... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech at flash.net To: "'TR List '" , Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 15:39 Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/s4usea at yahoo.com From mdmiles at mdmpe.com Mon Dec 26 15:36:03 2011 From: mdmiles at mdmpe.com (Michael Miles) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 14:36:03 -0800 Subject: [TR] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> References: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> Message-ID: <001f01ccc41e$c07ea510$417bef30$@com> Definitely not a Morgan, rear fender line is too 'soft' (should be straight), front fender arch is too enclosed, and the very top of the grill doesn't match either the 'waterfall' grill or a flat-rad. Only Drop Head Coupes had rear-hinged doors and they had a straight top to the doors. Looks more like a Squire or Riley. Worth a return trip to drag it home. Mike M > -----Original Message----- > From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs- > bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of wbeech at flash.net > Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 1:39 PM > To: 'TR List '; Mg-t at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] What Is It? > > Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification > would be appreciated. > > Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a > Morgan. > Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream > > > > Many thanks, > Bill > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mdmiles at mdmpe.com From spook01 at comcast.net Mon Dec 26 15:40:09 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:40:09 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=5BMg-t=5D_What_Is_It_=3F?= Message-ID: <20111226223958.0F81C187648@autox.team.net> Yep. Riley. I missed the Riley grill clearly still showing. My bad. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "MARK SHERMAN" To: "s4usea at yahoo. com" Cc: "spook01 at comcast.net" , , " TR List" , Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It ? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 16:34 RILEY RMC SEE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_RM Mark Sherman On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 5:15 PM, s4usea at yahoo. com wrote: Morgan in front, something less desirable in back. Morgans are almost always worth the effort... Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! -----Original message----- From: "spook01 at comcast.net" To: wbeech at flash.net, 'TR List ' , Mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 17:00:17 EST Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What Is It? It's a Morgan, going where morgans go.... Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech at flash.net To: "'TR List '" , Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 15:39 Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation B $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/spook01 at comcast.net ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation B $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/s4usea at yahoo.com ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation B $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/mrkshrmn at hotmail.com -- Mark Sherman From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 26 16:21:18 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> References: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> Message-ID: <1324941678.37323.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> I'd put my money on a Riley RMC 2.5 Tourer from about 1950-ish. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: "wbeech at flash.net" >To: 'TR List ' ; Mg-t at autox.team.net >Sent: Monday, 26 December 2011, 21:39 >Subject: [TR] What Is It? > >Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification >would be appreciated. > >Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. >Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. > >http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream > > > >Many thanks, >Bill > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 26 17:51:38 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:51:38 -0600 Subject: [TR] SU Carb Question Message-ID: Helping a friend re-build his H2 carbs and after disassembly I noticed that the ring on top of the body, after removal of the piston/slide, has two screws and two holes that vent to the outside of the body. On one unit of these the holes have been sealed up with JB-Weld(?) and the other unit has the holes open to the atmosphere. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6578318551/ So, inquiring minds want to know, should these be sealed up or left open? TIA for all the help! Bill Bill Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" From allenhess at mgcarclub.com Mon Dec 26 18:13:07 2011 From: allenhess at mgcarclub.com (Allen Hess) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 20:13:07 -0500 Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81F6BC8E-D43D-4325-B0BD-43C7B1A59020@mgcarclub.com> At first it does look like a Morgan but the radiator shell doesn't look like a Morgan to me. The radiator makes me think it might be a Riley. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream From mmarr at notwires.com Mon Dec 26 18:56:41 2011 From: mmarr at notwires.com (Michael Marr) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:56:41 -0600 Subject: [TR] What Is It? References: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice> Message-ID: Here you go: http://www.justauto.com.au/justcars/buy_and_sell/for_sale/4f512fd6-60d8-4414-aed8-3a40540ecd08 Mike > Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification > would be appreciated. > > Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. > Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream From wsb1960tr3a at att.net Mon Dec 26 19:55:45 2011 From: wsb1960tr3a at att.net (William Brewer) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:55:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] What Is It? Message-ID: <1324954545.45418.YahooMailRC@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> That ain't no stinkin' Morgan! That's a Riley! As a TRactor engined Morgan lover, I am offended. This is what a Riley convertible should look like. http://www.google.com/imgres?q=riley+convertible&hl=en&sa=G&biw=1366&bih=547&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=nPv7-rtt0vAPnM:&imgrefurl=http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/carspecs.php/%3Fsee%3D3712&docid=XicCDHSjQ1Jq2M&imgurl=http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/modelpicture.php%253Fid%253D6916&w=1024&h=585&ei=8zL5Tu6NIIOUiQKinpi1Dg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=183&vpy=176&dur=3390&hovh=170&hovw=297&tx=136&ty=63&sig=104700134057031778008&page=1&tbnh=127&tbnw=222&start=0&ndsp=10&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0 Oh shit, that's a long URL. Anyway, Google Riley convertible to see what they look like. I have a couple of Morgan flat rads that will be finding a home in my garage someday. One has been disassembled since 1962. Bill in Tehachapi Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 15:39:10 -0600 From: To: "'TR List '" , Subject: [TR] What Is It? Message-ID: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23 at bboffice> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Mon Dec 26 20:07:38 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:07:38 -0500 Subject: [TR] Christmas presents In-Reply-To: References: <1324900312.31166.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <20111226202828.E11C218788F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I did quite well! I got pnuematic tools - a 3 inch cutting wheel and a right angle die grinder! - I got a powder coating gun - just need to find a big *ss oven. I also got a rear view mirror for the TR2. Since my wife loves jewelry - she got me bling for the TR2 - a new TR2 emblem for the cowl. It was a super gift - I'm not overly happy with the finish - the chrome (for lack of a better word) seems a bit wavy. but from 5 feet or so - looks just great. (if anyone gets closer than 10 ft to my car - there will be plenty of things to look at!). Before I take it back - can folks with tr4 through tr2 emblem experience contact me off list (I'm not looking to start a flame throwing debate) - and let me know who provided great emblems - If my wife got it from the best folks - there is little need to return.... Ohhhh! I also had a friend give me 4 TR2 hubcaps with center emblems - 2 are enamel and 2 are raised - maybe these are TR4 versions. One of my hubcaps for the TR2 was a bit rusty so this is awesome. I am keeping the best two and giving the other two to friends to hang in their garages (or use). The goal is to have the TR2 ready for the 2012 Triumph Club of the Carolinas Gathering at Shelton Vineyards near Mt. Pilot NC on April 13th!!! My club does this show and we invite all British Marques and load up the vineyard with cars. .Blueridge mouniain tours and auction on Friday, Show on Saturday and Autocross on Sunday morning. I also plan on driving the TR2 down to Atlanta for the Mitty later in April,. I have a lot of work to do - I wish my wife gave me 4 hour coupons!!! Happy new year! Chris From ptegler at verizon.net Mon Dec 26 20:08:52 2011 From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:08:52 -0500 Subject: [TR] SU Carb Question References: Message-ID: ??? from what I can remember.... there is no plate there to begin with. I have to assume some dpo attempted to modify the air flow characteristics The plate is probably a cover up and re-drill of the air holes. No air holes should be there. You simply change spring rates and oil density to control enrichment on accel, and the needles to control A/F across the range. Paul Tegler ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "'TR List '" Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:51 PM Subject: [TR] SU Carb Question > Helping a friend re-build his H2 carbs and after disassembly I noticed > that > the ring on top of the body, after removal of the piston/slide, has two > screws and two holes that vent to the outside of the body. On one unit of > these the holes have been sealed up with JB-Weld(?) and the other unit has > the holes open to the atmosphere. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6578318551/ > > So, inquiring minds want to know, should these be sealed up or left open? > > TIA for all the help! > > Bill > > Bill Beecher > '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" > www.triumphowners.com/1566 > "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of > course, some times it is difficult to make it go" > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler at verizon.net From rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com Mon Dec 26 21:28:00 2011 From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:28:00 -0600 Subject: [TR] autox server working over time Message-ID: If everyone is seeing the message traffic I am the servers are putting in some over time with Mark away.I think I have four copies of every post. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! From spitlist at cox.net Mon Dec 26 21:53:18 2011 From: spitlist at cox.net (Joe Curry) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 21:53:18 -0700 Subject: [TR] autox server working over time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F88B8A7D3804F1C96EF474CD6270FCD@Vista> It is just happy that Mark is back! -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich White Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 9:28 PM To: TR owners List Subject: [TR] autox server working over time If everyone is seeing the message traffic I am the servers are putting in some over time with Mark away.I think I have four copies of every post. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spitlist at cox.net From allegrorover at mac.com Mon Dec 26 21:53:19 2011 From: allegrorover at mac.com (Anthony Cascio) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:53:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] autox server working over time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Not sure what's happening with your computer but I'm getting just the one of each message. Good luck. Tony Cascio 58 TR3A TS27093L allegrorover at mac.com www.triumphowners.com/1489 From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 26 21:59:12 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:59:12 -0600 Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It? In-Reply-To: <81F6BC8E-D43D-4325-B0BD-43C7B1A59020@mgcarclub.com> References: <81F6BC8E-D43D-4325-B0BD-43C7B1A59020@mgcarclub.com> Message-ID: <7E67AD2164714612B9357FE00458E539@bboffice> Thanks everyone that responded, the general consensus says it is indeed a Riley RMC or RMD. I will try to get a closer look this week. I guess the next question is this marque worth the effort to re-store? I don't know anything about Rileys, other that I suppose they competed with Morgan and MG-TD/TF models All the best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:13 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It? At first it does look like a Morgan but the radiator shell doesn't look like a Morgan to me. The radiator makes me think it might be a Riley. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From wbeech at flash.net Mon Dec 26 22:08:21 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 23:08:21 -0600 Subject: [TR] autox server working over time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <653DC58A9E6A4FBA9786D6862CBA5D1C@bboffice> Everything seems normal here, one post-per-post. Mark must have given it a very stern talking to before he left. BB -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Rich White Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 10:28 PM To: TR owners List Subject: [TR] autox server working over time If everyone is seeing the message traffic I am the servers are putting in some over time with Mark away.I think I have four copies of every post. Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From spook01 at comcast.net Tue Dec 27 05:37:19 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:37:19 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?=5BMg-t=5D_What_Is_It=3F?= Message-ID: <20111227123709.92BA218764E@autox.team.net> Depends. It's a costly proposition, as Riley had a cabinet maker who made the wood framing. The car is worth 130 large when done, unless its a later Ditchfinder. Parts for the cars are pretty hard to come by, by mg standards. Join the club in the UK. And plan to visit as they don't like to ship parts! My RMB , the hardtop version, is an interesting car. But it has its foibles, such as the famous judder from stop. Mg never could get rid of it. Some say the Riley was the British BMW of the time. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: wbeech at flash.net To: "'Allen Hess'" , Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It? Date: Mon, Dec 26, 2011 22:59 Thanks everyone that responded, the general consensus says it is indeed a Riley RMC or RMD. I will try to get a closer look this week. I guess the next question is this marque worth the effort to re-store? I don't know anything about Rileys, other that I suppose they competed with Morgan and MG-TD/TF models All the best, Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Hess Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 7:13 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It? At first it does look like a Morgan but the radiator shell doesn't look like a Morgan to me. The radiator makes me think it might be a Riley. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Dec 27 06:28:53 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:28:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <1612e.667c5535.3c2b2215@cs.com> In a message dated 12/26/2011 11:19:25 AM Central Standard Time, sumton at sbcglobal.net writes: > fyi - for those going to flagstaff, there is a wonderful motel in > Holbrook, > AZ, called the wigwam motel > > http://www.galerie-kokopelli.com/wigwam/ > > we stayed there a few years ago and it is an absolute hoot! highly > recommended > And while you're in the area take an hour or two and visit the Pertified Forest/Painted Desert National Park. For an old boy from the temperate region, very impressive vistas. Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Dec 27 06:34:42 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:34:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Merry Christmas to all Message-ID: <16309.2a56a18c.3c2b2372@cs.com> In a message dated 12/26/2011 11:31:46 AM Central Standard Time, sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com writes: > We also have a Wigwam Village near my hometown of Bowling Green, Ky. Here > it > is- > > http://www.wigwamvillage.com/ > > As a child, in spite of many requests, I never got the benefit of staying > there. So, as an adult, I took my children annually, along with 5 other > Dads > and their children. We created great memories there. Mammoth Cave National > Park is very close, as it the Corvette Museum. > Cool. We passed the one in Holbrook in 2009 but timing was wrong for an overnight stay. There are three remaining of the original 7. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wigwam_Motel Put it on your bucket list. Dave From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Dec 27 06:40:00 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:40:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Beer! Message-ID: <164b8.65f66b0d.3c2b24b0@cs.com> In a message dated 12/26/2011 11:54:12 AM Central Standard Time, mmarr at notwires.com writes: > But I did point out that my initial quest was for Spitfire ale... > Good thing, too. Had you been looking for Old Speckled Hen, on the other hand... ;-) Dave From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 09:34:27 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:34:27 -0600 Subject: [TR] shipping Message-ID: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) thanks! From wbeech at flash.net Tue Dec 27 09:43:34 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:43:34 -0600 Subject: [TR] shipping In-Reply-To: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> References: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <8CD65F9C1C8A44719059AA17746F4B07@bboffice> I'll bet the TRF guys would be happy to give you some insight. Bill -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of oliver Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:34 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] shipping anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) thanks! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From KingsCreekTrees at aol.com Tue Dec 27 10:43:07 2011 From: KingsCreekTrees at aol.com (KingsCreekTrees at aol.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:43:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] shipping Message-ID: <11bcb.6770bf71.3c2b5dab@aol.com> I did, but a long time ago. At the time, I found the least expensive way (and the easiest) was to use the Greyhound bus shipping service. That only works if you're in North America, and you're shipping to a North American address, of course. Tim In a message dated 27/12/2011 11:35:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sumton at sbcglobal.net writes: anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) thanks! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/kingscreektrees at aol.com From Dave1massey at cs.com Tue Dec 27 12:02:43 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:02:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] shipping Message-ID: <15132.147ce39e.3c2b7053@cs.com> In a message dated 12/27/2011 10:34:55 AM Central Standard Time, sumton at sbcglobal.net writes: > anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) > I know a guy who bought a bonnet section for an XKE. It came in a big, wooden crate that probably cost as much as a TR4 bonnet. BTW it wasn't much better than the section he already had. Dave From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 12:02:59 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:02:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] tr3 head gasket Message-ID: <1325012579.26207.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> did anyone ever find a source for payen head gaskets for the TR3? thanks frank From lgmtr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 12:22:49 2011 From: lgmtr6 at yahoo.com (lgmtr6) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:22:49 +0000 Subject: [TR] shipping In-Reply-To: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> References: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> Message-ID: I've had a friend ship a TR6 hard top to me a few years back (Chad in Oklahoma, I know you are lurking out there!) He had to fully crate it and have it truck shipped to Miami for me. It was a lot if work for him and shipping was pretty expensive as I recall as well. Larry Miceli Mount Dora, Fla Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "oliver" Sender: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:34:27 To: Subject: [TR] shipping anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) thanks! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/lgmtr6 at yahoo.com From wbeech at flash.net Tue Dec 27 13:04:04 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 14:04:04 -0600 Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It, worth? In-Reply-To: References: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice><1324967115.18992.YahooMailNeo@web160805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C9F8E80D89F4B37B9C7136BBC79E80D@bboffice> Well, I got to take a closer look, some panels are bent but not crushed, everything is rusted in the usual places near the wheels and frame. No electrics, no interior, dash or steering. I should say no engine, but there is an old Chevy 235 in-line six with what looks to be a power-glide transmission attached just laying in there. All wood will need to be replaced. No ID Plate but from what I have learned it w probably and RMC as the space behind the seats would accommodate only a set of golf clubs. Tried to pin him down on what he wanted for it, but all I got was stalling, he seems to think there is some one on the internet that will give him a fair price. Anyone have a suggestion on what you would be expected to pay for something like this? Obviously, this will take several years and many, many hours to get into road trim. TIA, Bill _____ From: Richard Simpson [mailto:pointabino at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:50 AM To: Matthew French Cc: wbeech at flash.net; TR List; Mg-t at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Mg-t] What Is It? If anyone is looking for Riley parts of that era (RM_ series) I have a cellar full! Ric. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Matthew French wrote: Better than a Morgan. It is a Riley RMC Roadster from 1948-1951. Worth serious money if restored. Matthew ________________________________ From: "wbeech at flash.net" To: 'TR List ' ; Mg-t at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, 27 December 2011 7:39 AM Subject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Not a barn find, but a junk yard spotting, any help with identification would be appreciated. Thought it might be a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. Just wondering if it would be worth going back and inquiring. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many thanks, Bill ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rmcroadster at yahoo.com.au ______________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $11.47 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rjs at computan.on.ca From tr6parts at charter.net Tue Dec 27 13:26:17 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:26:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] shipping References: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <59E3C5417F9A44C9993EA75512A97C1E@Alan> I had a TR6 bonnet shipped to me once. The seller wraped in styrofoam and cardboard, and I had it shipped via U Ship it . com You need a willing shipper to wrap it. He must have used a container for a refigerator and cut it down. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "oliver" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:34 AM Subject: [TR] shipping > anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) > > thanks! From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 13:41:47 2011 From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] shipping In-Reply-To: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> References: <1615E7A57F784095B6D5DE9767FC7BC4@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <1325018507.85948.YahooMailNeo@web120506.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Oliver- Just put together an appropriately sized crate with a 2 X 6 or 2 X 8 frame. You can ship it inexpensively via forwardair.com terminal to terminal Chad in Tulsa ________________________________ From: oliver To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:34 AM Subject: [TR] shipping anyone ever shipped a hood? (as in bonnet, as in TR4) thanks! ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com From rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com Tue Dec 27 19:10:42 2011 From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com (Rich White) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:10:42 -0600 Subject: [TR] autox server working over time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I guess it was hotmail or maybe just me. Could be you guys were replying to the same subject with out much new text and I just though they were the same message.Wecome back Mark! Rich White Central, IL USA '63 TR3B TCF###L That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > From: rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 22:28:00 -0600 > Subject: [TR] autox server working over time > > If everyone is seeing the message traffic I am the servers are putting in some > over time with Mark away.I think I have four copies of every post. > > Rich White Central, IL USA > '63 TR3B TCF###L > That ain't a scrap pile, that is my car! > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rlwhitetr3b at hotmail.com From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Tue Dec 27 19:28:10 2011 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 18:28:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [TR] Toyota 5 speed Message-ID: <1325039290.50818.YahooMailNeo@web120201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> for sale in fallbrook California. Toyota 5 speed trans. it is the desirable high geared unit. looks in really great shape. if your interested ill give you the sellers info. NFI here Frank From sumton at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 27 21:00:00 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:00:00 -0600 Subject: [TR] carpet sets on ebay Message-ID: <8B4E9C6196894A5CB98DB0D29CB24C6B@ranteer.local> has anyone used these ebay sets? are they any good? http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200692105986&ssPageNam e=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 From rsuncloud at aol.com Tue Dec 27 21:32:33 2011 From: rsuncloud at aol.com (Bob) Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:32:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It, worth? In-Reply-To: <1C9F8E80D89F4B37B9C7136BBC79E80D@bboffice> References: <63C98D8BB7324A419FEE5C1179920C23@bboffice><1324967115.18992.YahooMailNeo@web160805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <1C9F8E80D89F4B37B9C7136BBC79E80D@bboffice> Message-ID: <8CE9330DA74074D-19E4-2B27A@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com> Some folks are always looking to make their junk worth a fortune if they just wait long enough...... Offer them whatever you want but be prepared to walk away with no heartache. I have a friend who is still trying to negotiate a deal on a junk airplane but the owner won't.... Another day in Paradise, Bob -----Original Message----- From: wbeech To: 'Richard Simpson' ; 'Matthew French' Cc: 'TR List' ; Mg-t Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It, worth? Well, I got to take a closer look, some panels are bent but not crushed, verything is rusted in the usual places near the wheels and frame. No lectrics, no interior, dash or steering. I should say no engine, but there s an old Chevy 235 in-line six with what looks to be a power-glide ransmission attached just laying in there. All wood will need to be eplaced. o ID Plate but from what I have learned it w probably and RMC as the space ehind the seats would accommodate only a set of golf clubs. ried to pin him down on what he wanted for it, but all I got was stalling, e seems to think there is some one on the internet that will give him a air price. nyone have a suggestion on what you would be expected to pay for something ike this? Obviously, this will take several years and many, many hours to et into road trim. IA, ill _____ From: Richard Simpson [mailto:pointabino at gmail.com] ent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 8:50 AM o: Matthew French c: wbeech at flash.net; TR List; Mg-t at autox.team.net ubject: Re: [Mg-t] What Is It? f anyone is looking for Riley parts of that era (RM_ series) I have a ellar full! Ric. n Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 1:25 AM, Matthew French rote: etter than a Morgan. It is a Riley RMC Roadster from 1948-1951. Worth erious oney if restored. atthew ________________________________ From: wbeech at flash.net" o: 'TR List ' triumphs at autox.team.net>; Mg-t at autox.team.net ent: Tuesday, 27 December 011 7:39 AM ubject: [Mg-t] What Is It? Not a barn find, but a junk yard potting, any help with identification ould be appreciated. Thought it might e a TR1800 but the door is not right, could be a Morgan. ust wondering if it ould be worth going back and inquiring. ttp://www.flickr.com/photos/7899895 at N08/6577304703/in/photostream Many hanks, ill _____________________________________________ g-t at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual onation $11.47 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: ttp://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rmcroadster at yahoo.com.au _____________________________________________ Mg-t at autox.team.net onate: http://www.team.net/donate.html uggested annual donation $11.47 rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums http://www.team.net/forumsUnsubscribe/Manage> nsubscribe/Manage: ttp://autox.team.net/mailman/options/mg-t/rjs at computan.on.ca ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html rchive: http://www.team.net/archive orums: http://www.team.net/forums nsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rsuncloud at aol.com From cve at me.com Wed Dec 28 04:22:03 2011 From: cve at me.com (Cees van Eden) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:22:03 +0100 Subject: [TR] New to the list - how can I search Message-ID: <1E8FAE5B-4968-4458-AA3C-3DF75F3857CC@me.com> Sorry for this newby question, but how can I search the complete archive? Best regards, Cees From 61TR4ever at comcast.net Wed Dec 28 05:23:45 2011 From: 61TR4ever at comcast.net (Gary Grant) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:23:45 -0500 Subject: [TR] Service Bulletins Message-ID: I have been collecting S-T service bulletins for several years and find that they are a wealth of information not found elsewhere. So far I have identified the following original sources for these bulletins: CAL Sales, Inc. Bulletins (these supplemented and/or preceded the Western Zone bulletins, in part) Western Zone Bulletins Eastern Zone Bulletins (most are from Genser-Forman) Northeastern Zone Bulletins Service Information Sheets (early series) Service Information Sheets (later series)(indexed by date and numerical sequence) British Leyland Service Bulletins Of these, I have created indexes of the first six and published them in a Google Docs directory. http://tinyurl.com/6tnxb4v The listed bulletins in these indexes are those that I know existed at one time. (This does not mean I necessarily have them all). It can be assumed that most, if not all, missing numbers also existed. If anyone knows the bulletin number, date, title or effected model of any of the missing entries I would welcome any help filling in the "blank spaces". I also would be interested in information regarding bulletins from other S-T Zones (if they existed), or any information regarding S-T Spare Parts Information Bulletins (especially those issued between Oct 61 and Jun 62). Comments, suggestions and corrections also are welcomed. Gary From ccsimonsen at gmail.com Wed Dec 28 07:02:37 2011 From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:02:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] carpet sets on ebay In-Reply-To: <8B4E9C6196894A5CB98DB0D29CB24C6B@ranteer.local> References: <8B4E9C6196894A5CB98DB0D29CB24C6B@ranteer.local> Message-ID: http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-TR4-61-65-BLACK-LOOP-CARPET-KIT-/390301996149?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5adfcfd475 Here is another option. This is out of the east coast. Heard nice things about his experience but have no personal experience or association. On Dec 27, 2011 11:03 PM, "oliver" wrote: > has anyone used these ebay sets? are they any good? > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200692105986&ssPageNam > e=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ccsimonsen at gmail.com From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Wed Dec 28 07:21:31 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:21:31 -0500 Subject: [TR] New to the list - how can I search In-Reply-To: <1E8FAE5B-4968-4458-AA3C-3DF75F3857CC@me.com> References: <1E8FAE5B-4968-4458-AA3C-3DF75F3857CC@me.com> Message-ID: <000501ccc56c$00175250$0045f6f0$@net> Cees - Click on the link (or copy paste in browser) the archive link at the bottom of this email. Click on the desired archive (Triumphs) Enter your search terms. There are instruction pages referenced on the search page. Hints: Don't worry about using terms like 'TR3' or anything else that will appear in a large number of emails. The search will result in 'too many items' and the term won't be included. Good luck. C -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cees van Eden Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 6:22 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] New to the list - how can I search Sorry for this newby question, but how can I search the complete archive? Best regards, Cees ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/cfmtr3a at verizon.net From mark at bradakis.com Wed Dec 28 07:55:27 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 07:55:27 -0700 Subject: [TR] New to the list - how can I search In-Reply-To: <1E8FAE5B-4968-4458-AA3C-3DF75F3857CC@me.com> References: <1E8FAE5B-4968-4458-AA3C-3DF75F3857CC@me.com> Message-ID: <4EFB2DDF.70600@bradakis.com> One thing I would like is to be able to search ALL the lists at once, instead of having to search each list individually. I may work on trying to get that functionality in the near future. But don't hold your breath, just keeping up with routine daily duties keeps me pretty busy. mjb. From tr6parts at charter.net Wed Dec 28 08:50:45 2011 From: tr6parts at charter.net (Al Salvatore) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:50:45 -0500 Subject: [TR] carpet sets on ebay References: <8B4E9C6196894A5CB98DB0D29CB24C6B@ranteer.local> Message-ID: <52149EEE75104CB3929B28C48BE157FD@Alan> The last thing you want is foam backed carpet. Nice sponge. It is cheap, cheap. The other carpet, I have bought. I don't care for the rubber mats sewn in both sides, but that personal. The set is a good economy carpet. Its a jute backed carpet . Vs a rubber backed carpet which is usually used in automotive uses. Which makes it rather stiff on the rockers and over the tranny area. Of course theres no problem on the floor sections. The small piece that goes over the tranny and against the firewall is rubber backed. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" To: "oliver" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [TR] carpet sets on ebay > http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-TR4-61-65-BLACK-LOOP-CARPET-KIT-/390301996149?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5adfcfd475 > > Here is another option. This is out of the east coast. Heard nice things > about his experience but have no personal experience or association. > On Dec 27, 2011 11:03 PM, "oliver" wrote: > >> has anyone used these ebay sets? are they any good? >> >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200692105986&ssPageNam >> e=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Dec 28 13:05:36 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:05:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] Setting up a 123 distributor for a TR4A Message-ID: Hi List, I hope everybody is enjoying the time off during the holiday season, I know I am.. I am getting closer to starting my Tr4A and am at the point of installing the distributor which is a new, solid state 123 unit. I am hoping someone else out there has installed one of these already and can save me some time by letting me know which one of the 16 advance curves you started with? I have 87mm pistons, a BPNW 270 degree camshaft and a 4 into 1 stainless steel header which may affect things a bit. Anyway, what ever help I can get I will gladly take. Thanks, Dave Connitt "67 TR4A IRS http://home.fuse.net/davestr4a From tedtsimx at bright.net Wed Dec 28 13:24:27 2011 From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:24:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] early Jan trip to NC/SC Message-ID: <4EFB7AFB.3030507@bright.net> Hello list. Next week, Jan 5, I am headed to NC and SC doing some deliveries and looking at cars & parts. Will be headed down I77 through W.VA and into NC. Will be passing near Winston Salem, Raleigh/Durham area, etc. If anyone near this route needs anything from us, I can bring it along. Will have room for engines, transmissions, heads, etc. A real cost saving on shipping. Please give me a call if we can help. Thanks and Happy New Year. Ted -- Ted Schumacher tedtsimx at bright.net http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com 108 S. Jefferson St. Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877 Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.) Phone: 800.543.6648 (US& Canada) Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022 From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Wed Dec 28 13:34:53 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 15:34:53 -0500 Subject: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week In-Reply-To: <001201ccc411$89566350$9c0329f0$@net> References: <000101ccc401$48885f50$d9991df0$@net> <001201ccc411$89566350$9c0329f0$@net> Message-ID: <000601ccc5a0$293ec300$7bbc4900$@net> This morning I used our other car to measure clearance at the bottom of our driveway. At the point where the lamp will be in relation to the center of the wheel, I measured the distance from the ground to the bottom of the car both with the wheel in the 'gutter' and on level ground. The lamp would hit both on pulling into the driveway and when exiting. Thank you Don!... I'll make a different bracket for the lamp to be positioned next to the over-rider and in the 'up' direction. Carl From: Don Hiscock [mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 2:28 PM To: cfmtr3a at verizon.net Cc: Triumph List Subject: Re: [TR] FW: TR3 Reverse Lamp - revisited plus my plans for the week Carl, the rear lamp looks nice. How do you think it will affect your clearance on ramps, if at all? Looks a little vulnerable from the pic. Don TSF202L From guy at genfiniti.com Wed Dec 28 15:57:41 2011 From: guy at genfiniti.com (G.D. Huggins) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 16:57:41 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR4A - Hood Questions Message-ID: <17697E45-6988-4C8C-97F8-0233957AD604@genfiniti.com> All, First, I have almost 1000 miles on the car. Had mom over before Christmas and took her out. It was the first time she's been in the car since 1988. She loved it. Told me she should have given me the car years before she did!! Now, I have some questions about the "hood", otherwise called a "top" by us yanks. Any help is greatly appreciated.. I have the hood mounted to the frame and all is well. It raises. It falls. And basically keep the rain off of my head. What it doesn't do is keep the rain from entering the car from the rear edge of the windows. Oh well.. Here's the questions.. 1. The hood attaches to the frame on the header bar, the rear mounting bar, and by a flap, about midway on the hood, that attaches to one of the transverse hood sticks. How is this flap supposed to be attached? I riveted it directly, but am wondering if it shouldn't be done with snaps, otherwise it will tear over time. 2. The hood also has "flaps", that run the length of the windows, that dangle down from the hood to keep rain from getting over the windows. When I roll the window up, the glass comes up behind these "flaps", keeping the rain on the outside. Nice. However, there is nothing on the front of these flaps, where they meet the windshield frame, to keep them taught. I know the TR4 frame had little hooks that hook into the windshield frame. My windshield frame has these hooks. I got the hood from TRF, and they sent me the hooks, which I am now inclined to add. Does anyone know how to add these hooks into the hood? Does anyone has instructions (which I did not get), or pics? Thanks in advance. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. From dconnitt at fuse.net Wed Dec 28 16:31:29 2011 From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:31:29 -0500 Subject: [TR] Setting up a 123 distributor on a TR4A Message-ID: Hi List, I found a very informative thread on the TR Register forum regarding setting up and installing one of these distributors. Best Regards, Dave Connitt From dkspence at telus.net Wed Dec 28 19:33:30 2011 From: dkspence at telus.net (Don) Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:33:30 -0700 Subject: [TR] [Mg-t] What Is It In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 28-Dec-11, at 4:22 AM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > better than a Morgan. It is a Riley RMC Roadster from 1948-1951. Worth > serious > money if restored. > matthew and it will take serious money to restore. From trdoctor at aol.com Thu Dec 29 00:32:31 2011 From: trdoctor at aol.com (trdoctor at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 02:32:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Fw: Message-ID: <8CE9413288B37B4-ED8-5F8EB@webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com> http://qksuk.org/happy.php?ludor=15&myzaqot=896&fjtasezi=52 From mark at bradakis.com Thu Dec 29 00:47:34 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:47:34 -0700 Subject: [TR] Fw: In-Reply-To: <8CE9413288B37B4-ED8-5F8EB@webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CE9413288B37B4-ED8-5F8EB@webmail-d166.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4EFC1B16.5010008@bradakis.com> trdoctor at aol.com wrote: > [ Stupid spamming garbage ] > > Sigh. Another address hacked, another blast of crap going out to the world. What was it I said earlier about routine chores taking up time I'd rather be using to add improvements to Team.Net? So it goes. mjb. From elliottr at rmi.net Thu Dec 29 07:25:39 2011 From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott) Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:25:39 -0600 Subject: [TR] carpet sets on ebay In-Reply-To: <52149EEE75104CB3929B28C48BE157FD@Alan> References: <8B4E9C6196894A5CB98DB0D29CB24C6B@ranteer.local> <52149EEE75104CB3929B28C48BE157FD@Alan> Message-ID: <4EFC7863.8050303@rmi.net> I rather like the look of loop carpet instead of tufted on our cars. Seems more appropriate to me, but it is very hard to find these days. I have Newark Carpeting (the tufted variety) in my Spitfire which appears to be what Ben's Auto Parts on Ebay sells. When I got it several years ago it had jute backing It has held up well.. It fit fairly well. There are some places I have problems with in the foot wells but it may have been the installer (me) instead of the carpet. Roger Elliott On 12/28/2011 9:50 AM, Al Salvatore wrote: > The last thing you want is foam backed carpet. Nice sponge. It is > cheap, cheap. > > The other carpet, I have bought. > I don't care for the rubber mats sewn in both sides, but that personal. > > The set is a good economy carpet. > Its a jute backed carpet . Vs a rubber backed carpet which is usually > used in automotive uses. > > Which makes it rather stiff on the rockers and over the tranny area. > Of course theres no problem on the floor sections. > > The small piece that goes over the tranny and against the firewall is > rubber backed. > > Al > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Simo" > To: "oliver" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:02 AM > Subject: Re: [TR] carpet sets on ebay > > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-TR4-61-65-BLACK-LOOP-CARPET-KIT-/390301996149?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item5adfcfd475 >> >> >> Here is another option. This is out of the east coast. Heard nice things >> about his experience but have no personal experience or association. >> On Dec 27, 2011 11:03 PM, "oliver" wrote: >> >>> has anyone used these ebay sets? are they any good? >>> >>> >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200692105986&ssPageNam >>> >>> e=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 From dirtbeard at pacbell.net Fri Dec 30 08:06:19 2011 From: dirtbeard at pacbell.net (old dirtbeard) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:06:19 +0000 Subject: [TR] [Shop-talk] Which Generator to Buy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just wished to voice support for the Generac brand--a top quality product throughout. US-made, better built than they need to be, parts available, etc. Not cheap, but well worth the price. I have only had mine for a couple years, but zero problems so far. Best, Doug (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Ron Olds Sender: shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:04:48 To: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Shop-talk] Which Generator to Buy Hello Everyone, I am once more going out to the list for your knowledge. I am looking to buy a portable generator. My last one has a burnt out stator and parts are no longer available. It is a Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000 ER with a Tecumseh 10 hp engine. If anyone has a good stator or is in need of a unit with a burnt out stator (the engine runs great and has hardly been used) lets talk. What do you recommend as a brand and or model? I was looking for something in the 8000 watt range. The generator repair shop which checked out my old unit recommended Generac as a good brand to go with. Looking at their generators they offer so many different types in the same power range. Appreciate any advice you can give me. Happy New Year, Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at pacbell.net From aljlthomson at charter.net Fri Dec 30 13:10:36 2011 From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 15:10:36 -0500 Subject: [TR] [Shop-talk] Which Generator to Buy In-Reply-To: <20111230150833.1198B1878B1@autox.team.net> References: <20111230150833.1198B1878B1@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <001f01ccc72f$17e8b9e0$47ba2da0$@charter.net> Unfortunately, many old names of small, portable generators have gone away - Kohler and Onan to name two. The Coleman line was definitely an entry level series. Portables have become a commodity where many people look at only price and as a result, many units are off-off shore in orgin. My suggestion - find a local dealer who can offer service on the engine as well as the generator head. Briggs has their own line now, with an extensive dealer network. Winco is another American brand. I purchased a Voltmaster 2 bearing unit that I direct coupled to an 11 hp Briggs with a Lovejoy coupling. Seems good so far. With most generators direct mounted to a tapered crankshaft, you don't want to be in the position that either the generator or engine is no longer available down the road should you have to replace one end or the other. Generac is another good name, using their own engines. My 50 year old 12 kw Onan powered by a Toyota diesel works great as a stationary, 1800 rpm unit. Alex Thomson -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of old dirtbeard Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 10:06 AM To: Ron Olds; shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net; shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] [Shop-talk] Which Generator to Buy I just wished to voice support for the Generac brand--a top quality product throughout. US-made, better built than they need to be, parts available, etc. Not cheap, but well worth the price. I have only had mine for a couple years, but zero problems so far. Best, Doug (mobile) -----Original Message----- From: Ron Olds Sender: shop-talk-bounces at autox.team.net Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:04:48 To: shop-talk at autox.team.net; Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net); mgs at autox.team.net; mg-t at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net<6pack at autox.team.net> Subject: [Shop-talk] Which Generator to Buy Hello Everyone, I am once more going out to the list for your knowledge. I am looking to buy a portable generator. My last one has a burnt out stator and parts are no longer available. It is a Coleman Powermate Maxa 5000 ER with a Tecumseh 10 hp engine. If anyone has a good stator or is in need of a unit with a burnt out stator (the engine runs great and has hardly been used) lets talk. What do you recommend as a brand and or model? I was looking for something in the 8000 watt range. The generator repair shop which checked out my old unit recommended Generac as a good brand to go with. Looking at their generators they offer so many different types in the same power range. Appreciate any advice you can give me. Happy New Year, Ronald Olds Sales Manager Plasser American Corporation PO Box 5464 2001 Myers Road Chesapeake, VA 23324-0464 Phone (757) 543-3526 Cell (630) 240-0818 Fax (757) 494-7186 The information contained in this e-mail including any attachments may be proprietary, privileged or confidential and is intended solely for the use of the addressee. Any unauthorized distribution, disclosure or any other such use is strictly prohibited. Furthermore, any reviews, semination or copying by anyone other than the intended recipient is expressly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and destroy all copies of the original transmittal. _______________________________________________ Shop-talk at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation $12.96 Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/shop-talk/dirtbeard at pacbell.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/aljlthomson at charter.net From sumton at sbcglobal.net Fri Dec 30 22:04:25 2011 From: sumton at sbcglobal.net (oliver) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:04:25 -0600 Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: <001f01ccc72f$17e8b9e0$47ba2da0$@charter.net> References: <20111230150833.1198B1878B1@autox.team.net> <001f01ccc72f$17e8b9e0$47ba2da0$@charter.net> Message-ID: what is the off the shelf rattle can that matches the engine red on a 63 tr4? I am assuming the car I have which has remants of red paint on the thermostat housing and elsewhere is supposed to be that way? thanks! From darrellw360 at mac.com Fri Dec 30 22:09:12 2011 From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 21:09:12 -0800 Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: References: <20111230150833.1198B1878B1@autox.team.net> <001f01ccc72f$17e8b9e0$47ba2da0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <50BA1E18-08F3-4E66-843E-6BDCDBFA4D97@mac.com> On Dec 30, 2011, at 9:04 PM, oliver wrote: > what is the off the shelf rattle can that matches the engine red on a 63 tr4? > > I am assuming the car I have which has remants of red paint on the thermostat housing and elsewhere is supposed to be that way? > Hi Oliver, I'm pretty sure the engine was originally painted black. The thermostat housing was unpainted. -Darrell -- Darrell Walker 66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L 81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206 Vancouver, WA, USA From dkspence at telus.net Sat Dec 31 09:16:53 2011 From: dkspence at telus.net (Don) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:16:53 -0700 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier Message-ID: Received the below from a club member. NFI etc Happy 2012 Cheers, Don Hi, my name is Andy Henderson and I am in Alberta Canada. I have a small business manufacturing Speedometer cables for vintage British automobiles using original Smiths Equipment and parts. I think my business may be of interest to your members and was hoping you would add it to the links page on your website. Happy Holidays Andy http://www.vintagebritishcables.com/ From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Dec 31 10:51:59 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:51:59 -0500 Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: References: <20111230150833.1198B1878B1@autox.team.net> <001f01ccc72f$17e8b9e0$47ba2da0$@charter.net> Message-ID: <4EFF4BBF.8020805@adelphia.net> Oliver, Black is the original color for the TR4 block, heads and oil pan. The thermostat housing is original cast. When I restored my 63 4, I bead blasted the housing and then painted it with a silver engine paint from AutoZone. It has held up very good. I also used a gloss black rattle can from AutoZone for the engine block, head and oil pan. Multiple coats. Bob On 12/31/2011 12:04 AM, oliver wrote: > what is the off the shelf rattle can that matches the engine red on a > 63 tr4? > > I am assuming the car I have which has remants of red paint on the > thermostat housing and elsewhere is supposed to be that way? > > thanks! From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Dec 31 10:55:08 2011 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob Labuz) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:55:08 -0500 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EFF4C7C.3050502@adelphia.net> Don, This is good news. I have heard that the cables supplied by the big 3 are not always correct and cause problems with speedometers and tachometers. Added the link to my Cars bookmarks. Thanks and have a happy New Year. Bob On 12/31/2011 11:16 AM, Don wrote: > Received the below from a club member. NFI etc > Happy 2012 > Cheers, Don > > Hi, > > my name is Andy Henderson and I am in Alberta Canada. I have a small > business manufacturing Speedometer cables for vintage British > automobiles > using original Smiths Equipment and parts. > > I think my business may be of interest to your members and was hoping > you > would add it to the links page on your website. > > Happy Holidays > > Andy > > http://www.vintagebritishcables.com/ From TR250Driver at aol.com Sat Dec 31 11:43:15 2011 From: TR250Driver at aol.com (TR250Driver at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:43:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red Message-ID: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> Black is certainly the normal excepted color for a TR4 engine block as original. However, in the glory days gone by of VTR there was a very original award winning TR3B with it's engine block painted red. We are talking early 90's. It was owned and driven by Shelly Sackstein from the east coast. New Jersey I believe. He was big into racing & autocrossing with the 3B and would then show it in Concours with a U-Haul truck of Trophies perched behind. He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new and the engine was always factory red. U out there Shelly? Happy New Year to All, Darrell In a message dated 12/31/2011 12:06:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, sumton at sbcglobal.net writes: I am assuming the car I have which has remants of red paint on the thermostat housing and elsewhere is supposed to be that way? thanks! From TR3driver at ca.rr.com Sat Dec 31 12:16:50 2011 From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:16:50 -0800 Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> References: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> Message-ID: <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> > He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new > and the engine was > always factory red. One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those found defective in some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) were painted red. Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. -- Randall From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 12:17:38 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Whatever happened to that website that had all the TR cottage industries listed? Is it still around? Ed Woods From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 31 12:27:00 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:27:00 -0700 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: <4EFF6204.1030209@bradakis.com> fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > Whatever happened to that website that had all the TR cottage industries listed? Is it still around? > > I think it is still around. Also remember the Monster list: http://www.dimebank.com/monster Hey, it is past noon here in Salt Lake, that means it is already 2012 in half the world! mjb. From mark at bradakis.com Sat Dec 31 12:31:22 2011 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:31:22 -0700 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: <4EFF6204.1030209@bradakis.com> References: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> <4EFF6204.1030209@bradakis.com> Message-ID: <4EFF630A.2070709@bradakis.com> Mark J Bradakis wrote: > > Hey, it is past noon here in Salt Lake, that means it is already 2012 in > half the world! > Actually that logic is flawed. Never mind. mjb. From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org Sat Dec 31 12:30:22 2011 From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:30:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: I've got a bunch listed on my web site about 1/2 way down the page. Here's another source for gauge cables. http://vintagebritishcables.com/index.php I found this comment interesting : "Many of today's aftermarket cables are manufactured with incorrect inner core that is wound in the wrong direction. This can actually act as an auger screw to move oil from the gearbox fitting, up the inner cable tube and into the instrument. Our cables use the correct inner core and are ideal for optimal instrument life." They also show a picture of the correct two ring crimp that Smith used. Bob Bob Danielson http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org 1975 TR6 with: Throttle Body Injection Toyota 5 Speed Nissan Diff & CVJs -----Original Message----- From: fogbro1 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:17 PM To: Don Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier Whatever happened to that website that had all the TR cottage industries listed? Is it still around? Ed Woods From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 31 12:42:09 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:42:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> References: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> Message-ID: <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after leaving engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their ancillaries and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" exceeded the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. Engines returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning were rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but devoid of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated Standard (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold units from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out of its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I doubt the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The twelve other overseas assembly plants might have done something completely different? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ >________________________________ > From: Randall >To: triumphs at autox.team.net >Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red > >> He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >> and the engine was >> always factory red. > >One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those found defective in >some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) were painted red. >Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk From fogbro1 at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 12:54:15 2011 From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (fogbro1 at comcast.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] cottage industry list Message-ID: <27679291.198977.1325361255958.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Maybe I answered my own question: http://www.britcot.com/ Ed Woods From tr6guy at cox.net Sat Dec 31 13:06:40 2011 From: tr6guy at cox.net (Jim Henningsen) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:06:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR4 Trunk Picture Request In-Reply-To: <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001ccc7f7$b60a9c60$221fd520$@net> Happy New Year List! Anyone out there with a 61 or early 62 TR4 with the trunk stay rod rather than the telescopic arm? I need pictures of the early assembly including the mount to the trunk support tube and the bottom mount to the rear fender. Many thanks! We finished our move and are now in Ocala, FL. Happy New Year to all! Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 62 TR4 75 TR6 -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:42 PM To: Randall; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after leaving engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their ancillaries and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" exceeded the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. Engines returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning were rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but devoid of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated Standard (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold units from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out of its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I doubt the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The twelve other overseas assembly plants might have done something completely different? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ >________________________________ > From: Randall >To: triumphs at autox.team.net >Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red > >> He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >> and the engine was >> always factory red. > >One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those found defective in >some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) were painted red. >Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tr6guy at cox.net From dkspence at telus.net Sat Dec 31 13:29:52 2011 From: dkspence at telus.net (Don) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:29:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] Repro speedo cables supplier In-Reply-To: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <537559609.197823.1325359058796.JavaMail.root@sz0058a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: http://www.templeoftriumph.org/Links/Vendors.html On 31-Dec-11, at 12:17 PM, fogbro1 at comcast.net wrote: > Whatever happened to that website that had all the TR cottage > industries listed? Is it still around? > > Ed Woods From cfmtr3a at verizon.net Sat Dec 31 13:31:44 2011 From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl TR) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:31:44 -0500 Subject: [TR] Hard top storage Message-ID: <001501ccc7fb$3759c310$a60d4930$@net> There has been several discussions about storage racks for hard tops for our cars. Saw this on eBay - http://www.ebay.com/itm/TRIUMPH-TR2-TR3-TR4-HARD-TOP-STAND-STORAGE-CART-RACK -HARDTOP-NEW-FREE-COVER-NEW NFI From spook01 at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 14:32:07 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:32:07 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?Just_want_to_be_sure_you_guys_all_know_the_words_t?= =?utf-8?b?b25pZ2h0Li4u?= Message-ID: <20111231213156.228C51878B7@autox.team.net> Daily Mirror http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23669465 Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Dec 31 15:00:15 2011 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:00:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... In-Reply-To: <20111231213156.228C51878B7@autox.team.net> References: <20111231213156.228C51878B7@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <3704A48F766A4C2CB4ABEB1588D6F064@DCH6RFC1> I spent 5 years at medical school in Edinburgh, Scotland, where New Year is known as Hogmanay and people do daft things like "first footing" - knock on the door of a stranger's house and offer him a piece of coal. Tradition dictates the owner will decline the coal, but instead offer you a drink of Scotch - either neat or with a little water. Also in Edinburgh there is an intersection of two streets - The Royal Mile and the Bridges, where young women traditionally kiss police officers at midnight. I have never seen so many cops: of course, many, like me, were students who just happened to have police costumes...... Happy Hogmanay to all. And, as the Irish say - slainte (cheers !) Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:32 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... Daily Mirror http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23669465 Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From spook01 at comcast.net Sat Dec 31 15:10:57 2011 From: spook01 at comcast.net (=?utf-8?B?c3Bvb2swMUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldA==?=) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:10:57 -0600 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?63_TR_4_engine_red?= Message-ID: <20111231221046.317F6187896@autox.team.net> Hi guys, When I worked for a bmc dealer in Texas, I don't think any engines were EVER returned to bmc complete. They would take any good pieces, put them on the warrantied failed assembly, and a factory rep would come through every so often and match ro's to warranty cards and parts. After that, virtually everything was scrapped, or the claim rejected. The only exceptions were items they wished to study. And those were usually electrical. I never heard of complete engines going to a factory reconditioning plant. It would be feasible in the UK, but I can't think how that would be doable world-wide. But, heck, the British manufacturers did all kinds of weird stuff. BTW, the TR 10 engines were gold, and to begin with, so were the Spit engines. Black came to the Spits later. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Randall" , "triumphs at autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 13:42 Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after leaving engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their ancillaries and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" exceeded the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. Engines returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning were rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but devoid of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated Standard (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold units from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out of its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I doubt the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The twelve other overseas assembly plants might have done something completely different? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ >________________________________ > From: Randall >To: triumphs at autox.team.net >Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red > >> He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >> and the engine was >> always factory red. > >One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those found defective in >some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) were painted red. >Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From fietts02 at aol.com Sat Dec 31 15:19:33 2011 From: fietts02 at aol.com (fietts02 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:19:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] TR6 Hardtop Boot Cover-Tan Message-ID: <4e07.16fb9306.3c30e475@aol.com> I have a one of the rare Tan hardtop boot covers for TR6 for sale. If interested please contact me off list. This is my last one as I have moved the other colors I had as spares. Ken From Dave1massey at cs.com Sat Dec 31 15:58:11 2011 From: Dave1massey at cs.com (Dave1massey at cs.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:58:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... Message-ID: In a message dated 12/31/2011 4:02:57 PM Central Standard Time, auprichard at uprichard.net writes: > Happy Hogmanay to all. And, as the Irish say - slainte (cheers !) > And a happy Mean Geimhridh, Mummer's Day and La an Dreoilmn to you, too. And as they say in Scotland (usually with a single malt in hand) - Slainte van! Dave From rsuncloud at aol.com Sat Dec 31 16:33:18 2011 From: rsuncloud at aol.com (rsuncloud at aol.com) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:33:18 -0800 Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <95C952B2-ED64-49F8-8D1F-015EB5EED963@aol.com> Twelve OTHER overseas??????? Sent from my iPad On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:42 AM, John Macartney wrote: > Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after leaving > engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their ancillaries > and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" exceeded > the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. > Engines > returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning were > rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were > always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or > long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but devoid > of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal > production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate > "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated Standard > (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold units > from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out of > its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by > Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I doubt > the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The > twelve other overseas assembly plants > might have done something completely different? > > Jonmac > http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ > > >> ________________________________ >> > From: Randall >> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >> Sent: > Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >> Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red >> >>> > He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >>> and the engine was >>> > always factory red. >> >> One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those > found defective in >> some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) > were painted red. >> Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. >> >> -- > Randall >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: > http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: > http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/archive > Forums: http://www.team.net/forums > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rsuncloud at aol.com From wbeech at flash.net Sat Dec 31 16:49:20 2011 From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:49:20 -0600 Subject: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... In-Reply-To: <3704A48F766A4C2CB4ABEB1588D6F064@DCH6RFC1> References: <20111231213156.228C51878B7@autox.team.net> <3704A48F766A4C2CB4ABEB1588D6F064@DCH6RFC1> Message-ID: <7C03AAFDA06A427E96259DA97EFEDDB9@bboffice> OK, Andrew and "Lang may yer lum reek." Bill Bill MacKennan Beecher '58 TR-3A TS30766L "Tarbaby" www.triumphowners.com/1566 "A Triumph is man's best friend, it always comes when it is called...of course, some times it is difficult to make it go" -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Uprichard Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:00 PM To: 'Triumph List'; 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... I spent 5 years at medical school in Edinburgh, Scotland, where New Year is known as Hogmanay and people do daft things like "first footing" - knock on the door of a stranger's house and offer him a piece of coal. Tradition dictates the owner will decline the coal, but instead offer you a drink of Scotch - either neat or with a little water. Also in Edinburgh there is an intersection of two streets - The Royal Mile and the Bridges, where young women traditionally kiss police officers at midnight. I have never seen so many cops: of course, many, like me, were students who just happened to have police costumes...... Happy Hogmanay to all. And, as the Irish say - slainte (cheers !) Andrew Uprichard -----Original Message----- From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of spook01 at comcast.net Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 4:32 PM To: Triumph List Subject: [TR] Just want to be sure you guys all know the words tonight... Daily Mirror http://m.mirror.co.uk/article?a=m4:23669465 Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/wbeech at flash.net From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 31 18:07:31 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:07:31 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red In-Reply-To: <95C952B2-ED64-49F8-8D1F-015EB5EED963@aol.com> References: <42e5.1553a068.3c30b1c3@aol.com> <021e01ccc7f0$bff1e000$0201a8c0@randall> <1325360529.9370.YahooMailNeo@web29403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <95C952B2-ED64-49F8-8D1F-015EB5EED963@aol.com> Message-ID: <1325380051.90363.YahooMailNeo@web29401.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Belgium, Malta, Israel, South Africa, Australia, New Zealand, India, Phillipines, Peru, Chile, Malaysia and a short-lived joint venture with Paykan in Iran. Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk >________________________________ > From: "rsuncloud at aol.com" >To: John Macartney >Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" ; Randall >Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 23:33 >Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red > >Twelve OTHER overseas??????? > >Sent from my iPad > >On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:42 AM, John Macartney >wrote: > >> Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after >leaving >> engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their >ancillaries >> and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" >exceeded >> the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. >> Engines >> returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning >were >> rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were >> always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or >> long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but >devoid >> of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal >> production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate >> "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated >Standard >> (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold >units >> from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out >of >> its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by >> Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I >doubt >> the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The >> twelve other overseas assembly plants >> might have done something completely different? >> >> Jonmac >> http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ >> >> >>> ________________________________ >>> >> From: Randall >>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net >>> Sent: >> Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >>> Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red >>> >>>> >> He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >>>> and the engine was >>>> >> always factory red. >>> >>> One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those >> found defective in >>> some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) >> were painted red. >>> Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. >>> >>> -- >> Randall >>> >>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: >> http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >>> Forums: >> http://www.team.net/forums >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >> Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rsuncloud at aol.com > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/macartney.john at yahoo.co.uk From flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk Sat Dec 31 18:28:50 2011 From: flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 01:28:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red Message-ID: <1325381330.94511.YahooMailNeo@web29405.mail.ird.yahoo.com> When I worked for a bmc dealer in Texas, I don't think any engines were EVER returned to bmc complete. BMC wasn't part of Leyland until 1968 and its important to remember it went bust, as did Standard-Triumph in 1960, because in both cases, cost controls were later proven to have never worked It would be feasible in the UK, but I can't think how that would be doable world-wide. But, heck, the British manufacturers did all kinds of weird stuff. It *was* feasible for a number of reasons - and not just within the UK. All of Europe as well as the Brit firms did "weird" things for many years after WW2 because none of us had substantial iron or steel reserves. So we all imported scrap from wherever we could find it. The Japs have also been doing the same for decades because Japan has no natural reserves of iron ore at all or, if it has, it's insufficient to meet need. JM ----- Reply message ----- From: "John Macartney" To: "Randall" , "triumphs at autox.team.net" Subject: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 13:42 Engines that failed for whatever reason on the two 'run' dynos after leaving engine assembly and found to be defective were stripped of their ancillaries and scrapped. Simply, the cost of "teardown, investigate and rectify" exceeded the raw material and direct labour cost of producing another new unit. Engines returned to the factory by the global dealer network for reconditioning were rebuilt by a Standard-Triumph subsidiary called Beans Industries. They were always painted a less than attractive blue and took the form of a short or long motor - i.e. with or without a cylinder head and valve cover but devoid of other equipment. The engine number was completely different from normal production numbers and always had an 'R' as the leading prefix to indicate "reconditioned" The famous 'Gold Star' engine was a slightly uprated Standard (Triumph) Ten and used the surplus paint from the Ferguson Grey and Gold units from 1956 onwards - and that's because the Purchasing Dept couldn't get out of its supply contract with Pinchin & Johnson. The red engine referred to by Darren might have come out of Engineering for some obscure reason but I doubt the company ever used red in post-war production, at least in the UK. The twelve other overseas assembly plants might have done something completely different? Jonmac http://standard-triumph-books.co.uk/ >________________________________ > From: Randall >To: triumphs at autox.team.net >Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2011, 19:16 >Subject: Re: [TR] 63 TR 4 engine red > >> He claimed that he had owned this Triumph from new >> and the engine was >> always factory red. > >One theory I've heard is that re-worked engines (those found defective in >some manner and repaired by the factory before delivery) were painted red. >Dunno if that's true, but it makes sense to me. > >-- Randall > >** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > >Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >Archive: http://www.team.net/archive >Forums: http://www.team.net/forums >Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/flywheelcoventry1 at yahoo.co.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/archive Forums: http://www.team.net/forums Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/spook01 at comcast.net From lherault at bu.edu Sat Dec 31 21:38:20 2011 From: lherault at bu.edu (Ron L'Herault) Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:38:20 -0500 Subject: [TR] generators Message-ID: <003801ccc83f$30aa6530$91ff2f90$@edu> I've got a 1000 W Honda generator. It is super quiet and always starts. I don't know what their upper limit in Watts is but they do have bigger ones. Ron L