From machinemd at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 11:57:52 2009
From: machinemd at msn.com (STEVE STERN)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:57:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Leak
Message-ID: 

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Leak

"I cured my oil pan leaks by installing the gasket with black RTV. This is a
silicone gasket maker. I only used the RTV on the area outside of the bolt
holes to prevent it from getting into my oil system. No more leaks."

I second it! I've been using RTV adhesive and/or gasket maker on all paper and
cork gaskets since the 70s without a leak.

Steve

From jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 27 13:29:44 2009
From: jeyoung_2 at yahoo.com (John Young)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] Libra, was Brit Money Definition
Message-ID: <930641.21189.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 10/27/09, David Brister  wrote: 

We could get into bushels, pecks, rod pole or perch, imperial gallons, 
gills, or perhaps cables and furlongs but Heaven forbid that we should get 
so off message on a Triumph list!
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
The Triumph speedo might have been calibrated in furlongs per fortnight at one time, maybe.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><
John Young

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Oct 27 17:51:43 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:51:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Leak
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20091028005200.05E6D18765A@autox.team.net>

That's what I use as well.  Permatex brand is what the local Farm and 
Fleet carries.  I still leave a trail of oil, but not from the oil pan flange.

- Tony Drews

At 01:57 PM 10/27/2009, STEVE STERN wrote:
>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Leak
>
>"I cured my oil pan leaks by installing the gasket with black RTV. This is a
>silicone gasket maker. I only used the RTV on the area outside of the bolt
>holes to prevent it from getting into my oil system. No more leaks."
>
>I second it! I've been using RTV adhesive and/or gasket maker on all paper and
>cork gaskets since the 70s without a leak.
>
>
>Steve

From mlang99 at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 17:59:22 2009
From: mlang99 at comcast.net (Michael Lang)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:59:22 -0700
Subject: [TR] Oil pan leak
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>

I would recommend the Hylomar since it has worked well on my pan gasket.
I would absolutely not use Permatex Aviation. I once spent a very long
evening on my back under a Chev 216 scraping dried Permatex Aviation off
of the bottom of the block. I wouldn't wish to do that again.

I have heard so many stories about loose strings of silicone gasket
maker plugging things up that I tend to stay away from those products.

Mike

Jeremy Kinney wrote:
> I am getting ready to install a new oil pan gasket.  What would you guys
> prefer to add to the gasket?  Wellseal, Hylomar, or Permatex Aviation
> Form-A-Gasket No. 3 Sealant?
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Jeremy
>
> '66 TR4A

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Oct 27 19:20:06 2009
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:20:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil pan leak
In-Reply-To: <4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>
References: 
	<4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20091028022021.47D4518765A@autox.team.net>

I make sure to put the RTV on very thinly - I use a finger and smear 
it on the gasket surface in a very thin layer to minimize the 
"strings of gasket".  Good point.  Hylomar is fine too - it's really 
intended for two surfaces without a gasket in between.  We used to 
use it at the back of a Hewland Gearbox - just aluminum to aluminum 
and a thin coat of hylomar.  It also doesn't set up (at least not for 
a LOONNNGG time).

- Tony

At 07:59 PM 10/27/2009, Michael Lang wrote:
>I would recommend the Hylomar since it has worked well on my pan gasket.
>I would absolutely not use Permatex Aviation. I once spent a very long
>evening on my back under a Chev 216 scraping dried Permatex Aviation off
>of the bottom of the block. I wouldn't wish to do that again.
>
>I have heard so many stories about loose strings of silicone gasket
>maker plugging things up that I tend to stay away from those products.
>
>Mike
>
>Jeremy Kinney wrote:
> > I am getting ready to install a new oil pan gasket.  What would you guys
> > prefer to add to the gasket?  Wellseal, Hylomar, or Permatex Aviation
> > Form-A-Gasket No. 3 Sealant?
> >
> >
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Jeremy
> >
> > '66 TR4A
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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Oct 27 19:30:13 2009
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:30:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil pan leak
In-Reply-To: <4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>
References: 
	<4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4AE7ACB5.10604@bradakis.com>

A number of years ago I was between engines, so to speak, while
autocrossing.  What I had was a 200 dollar almost a parts car
squaretail Spit.  That was actually the car I took to the Seattle
VTR convention, '93 I think it was.

Anyway, the thrust washers were toast, the crank was already
chewed up, but my  "real" engine wasn't ready.  So every
weekend before running I'd drop the pan and put in fresh
thrust washers.  It wasn't that difficult.  I used a blue Hylomar
type stuff on the pan gasket, and it came apart with no trouble,
and went back on with no trouble, no leaks.  I think it was
called Flange-Seal or Torque-Seal, can't remember, got it
from Pegasus.  It was great stuff.

Of course, on my last run at the VTR autocross I was working
on a killer run, going into the last hairpin the thrust washer
fell out, screwing up clutch action, it took maybe 0.672 seconds
for me to fumble with the shift to first, and I missed FTD by
*that* much.  If the thrust washer had waited until after that
crucial downshift....

Anyway, a pliable, non-hardening compound on a standard sump
gasket works quite well.  Spend some time making sure it is flat,
the areas around the bolt holes tend to warp and cause sealing
issues.  Hammer them flat.

mjb.

From levilevi at comcast.net  Tue Oct 27 22:58:43 2009
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:58:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil pan leak
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Use "The Right Stuff" gasket maker from NAPA.  Don't need the gasket  
if you use this.

Bud Rolofson

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On Oct 27, 2009, at 7:52 AM, Jeremy Kinney wrote:

> I am getting ready to install a new oil pan gasket.  What would you  
> guys
> prefer to add to the gasket?  Wellseal, Hylomar, or Permatex Aviation
> Form-A-Gasket No. 3 Sealant?
>
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Jeremy
>
> '66 TR4A
>
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From info at classictradespace.com  Wed Oct 28 03:16:58 2009
From: info at classictradespace.com (classic trade space)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:16:58 -0000
Subject: [TR] Triumph Italia
Message-ID: <1B05ADBCEDD844939D7155A36AFD7814@WORLDCARS>

We have a Triumph Italia for sale if any f you are interested or want more
details please get in touch.

From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Oct 28 05:27:54 2009
From: dave1massey at cs.com (dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 08:27:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil pan leak
In-Reply-To: <20091028022021.47D4518765A@autox.team.net>
References: <4AE7976A.4020004@comcast.net>
	<20091028022021.47D4518765A@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8CC25E1358206D3-5638-14AD9@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>

I make sure to put the RTV on very thinly - I use a finger and smear
it on the gasket surface in a very thin layer to minimize the
"strings of gasket".  Good point.

Another tip I've heard is to assemble the parts loosely and leave them sit for
15 minutes to 1/2 hour before tightening up the bolts.  This allows the RTV to
partially set and reduces oozing.

RTV sets up by reacting with water vapor in the air.  That means that when
using it on a cooling system that still has some coolant in it be prepared for
the set up time to be dramatically reduced.  And those of you in Arizona, drag
out the swamp cooler.

Dave

From smacsjunk at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 28 11:31:43 2009
From: smacsjunk at hotmail.com (scotts junk)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] Libra, was Brit Money Definition
In-Reply-To: <930641.21189.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <930641.21189.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: 

> The Triumph speedo might have been calibrated in furlongs per fortnight at
one time, maybe.

Reminds me of a brit car club rally I was rallymaster for several years ago;
the penalty for entrants with non-british cars was that they were to receive
their rally instructions in furlongs, while brit cars had both miles and
kiometers on theirs.

Unfortunately it backfired - I was out of town until just before the start.
Rushed to the printers to pick up both sets of instructions then directly to
the start (in pouring rain of course). As I handed the instructions to the
last car to depart(an MG B), the navigator looked at them, grinned, looked up
at me  and shouted "You ##$%&& SOB". Dismayed at this admonishment for all my
hard work, I glanced down at the RI sheets I'd been handing out and realized
to my horror that the printer had screwed up and copied BOTH sets in furlongs.
Despite this we had only 1 lost car and the winner (with his teenage math wiz
son as navigator) only picked up 6 points  and zerod the last TSD section.

cheers

Scott

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From tr4zest at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 12:13:22 2009
From: tr4zest at gmail.com (Brian Jones)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:13:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
Message-ID: 

Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4?

I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan
eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control
the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat,
let's see what the options are.

If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A,
please lt me know.

I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the
radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.

Thanks,

Brian Jones

From tr4zest at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 12:17:00 2009
From: tr4zest at gmail.com (Brian Jones)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:17:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Oil Pan Leak
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<20091028005200.05E6D18765A@autox.team.net>

Message-ID: 

I followed the method in the VTR maintenance section, except I used Permatex
to bond the gasket to the pan, left to set overnight. I then used Hylomar on
the gasket-to-block face so that I could easily get the pan off again and
had no risk of goop in the pan causing mischief.

I took care to straighten the pan lip first. My pan had been heavily
over-tightened by the DPO and his answer was to use masses of orange rubbery
goop to close the gaps on the distorted pan lip. He failed. The VTR page:
 http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-pan-gasket.shtml

Brian Jones

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Tony Drews  wrote:

> That's what I use as well.  Permatex brand is what the local Farm and Fleet
> carries.  I still leave a trail of oil, but not from the oil pan flange.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 01:57 PM 10/27/2009, STEVE STERN wrote:
>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Leak
>>
>> "I cured my oil pan leaks by installing the gasket with black RTV. This is
>> a
>> silicone gasket maker. I only used the RTV on the area outside of the bolt
>> holes to prevent it from getting into my oil system. No more leaks."
>>
>> I second it! I've been using RTV adhesive and/or gasket maker on all paper
>> and
>> cork gaskets since the 70s without a leak.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
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From acekraut11 at aol.com  Wed Oct 28 14:19:44 2009
From: acekraut11 at aol.com (acekraut11 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:19:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <8CC262B7FC7EB1F-2318-4C29@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>

 Brian,

I have an electric fan installed on my TR6.  I used the plastic pieces pushed
through the radiator and have had no problems over the last 4 years.  The
bottom of the fan sits on the bottom lip of the radiator so the only thing the
plastic pieces do is to hold the fan flush to the radiator.  That was an
easier solution than removing the radiator and having a bracket fabricated to
hold the fan.  I would recommend a straight on/off switch in addition to the
thermostatic switch.  It is a good fail safe in case the thermo switch decides
not to work and it is handy if you decide that you are going to be working on
the car while it is idling for a long period of time.

My two cents.

Aaron

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Jones 
To: email list 
Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 3:13 pm
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4

Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4?

I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan
eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control
the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat,
let's see what the options are.

If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A,
please lt me know.

I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the
radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.

Thanks,

Brian Jones
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From 60TR3A at cox.net  Wed Oct 28 14:50:37 2009
From: 60TR3A at cox.net (John A. Wise)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:50:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <1C3A4251-A4E8-4FC2-B67A-ACE747FB33FB@cox.net>

This is advise from my TR3A conversion.

Have you friendly radiator shop put a bung in your radiator that will
accept common electronic thermostats.  The only problem I have had is
that modern cars run at higher tempts & usually 1850 is the lowest you
can find in most parts stores.  Living in Phoenix I have found an
adjustable one that goes goes down as low as 1450.  I plan to use that
in the 9 months of summer & then adjust it up for our 3 months of Fall.

My radiator shop also braised on a couple L-brackets to each side to
provide an attach point or the electric fan.  While you are there have
the radiator shop install new cap neck for modern cap that will work
with overflow bottle!!  Both of these task came in for about $10-15 each

See http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/radiator.html for pictures

John

John A. Wise
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On  28 Oct, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Brian Jones wrote:

> Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my
> TR4?
>
> I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's
> fan
> eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to
> control
> the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off
> thermostat,
> let's see what the options are.
>
> If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 /
> 4A,
> please lt me know.
>
> I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed
> through the
> radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Jones
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Wed Oct 28 14:54:19 2009
From: tfansher at comcast.net (tfansher at comcast.net)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:54:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <1437895960.3943381256766859918.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

I installed a puller fan on my TR3A and am happy I did. The side rails on a TR3 and 4 radiator hold no water (you might want to check this ;^) ) so you can mount the puller to the radiator itself. If you're pulling the radiator then while at the shop have them add a receiver for a screw in temp sensor. I got my sensor from Jegs and for me the 165 degree works better than the 185. My themistat is in the metal pipe of the radiator hose, but had to rig up a ground wire to it for it to work properly. Also, 165 because it's in the "middle" of the radiator and heat rises, etc. The fan I'm using is a "swirl" bladed, 6 bladed fan. They are supposed to move more air than the old style "straight" bladed ones. Some of the local auto stores carry them as well as on line sources. 
Any more questions or pictures needed, let me know. 
Tom 
60 TR3A 
61 TR3A 
62 TR4 
73 Stag 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Jones"  
To: "email list"  
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:13:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4 

Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4? 

I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan 
eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control 
the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat, 
let's see what the options are. 

If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A, 
please lt me know. 

I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the 
radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat. 

Thanks, 

Brian Jones 

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 15:16:41 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:16:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <84DBC61A242A4416A64019B16F76BBE3@jdnet.deere.com>

> Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan 
> for my TR4?

I've had a Hayden fan on my TR3A for almost 20 years, and it still works
fine even after the accident.

After a conversation with my local radiator guy, I went ahead and used the
plastic ties through the core; no problems at all.  He did suggest to be
sure they go through the center between the tubes (so they can't rub on the
tubes).

He would have been happy to add fan mounts to my radiator (as well as sensor
bungs and anything else I wanted, for a price of course), but it didn't seem
worth it at the time.

If you have the early radiator with the "long reach" neck, I would suggest
having a shorter neck installed.  Gives you a much wider range of caps
available.  My shop recently charged me $18 for the neck & installation.

Just don't forget and install an original cap on the short neck 

-- Randall  

From tr4zest at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 15:20:16 2009
From: tr4zest at gmail.com (Brian Jones)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:20:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: <8CC262B7FC7EB1F-2318-4C29@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>
References: 
	<8CC262B7FC7EB1F-2318-4C29@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: 

Thanks Aaron,

The on-off as well is a great idea. Glad you've had no issues with the
plastic push-throughs.

Brian

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:19 PM,  wrote:

>  Brian,
>
> I have an electric fan installed on my TR6.  I used the plastic pieces
> pushed through the radiator and have had no problems over the last 4 years.
> The bottom of the fan sits on the bottom lip of the radiator so the only
> thing the plastic pieces do is to hold the fan flush to the radiator.  That
> was an easier solution than removing the radiator and having a bracket
> fabricated to hold the fan.  I would recommend a straight on/off switch in
> addition to the thermostatic switch.  It is a good fail safe in case the
> thermo switch decides not to work and it is handy if you decide that you are
> going to be working on the car while it is idling for a long period of time.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Aaron
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Jones 
> To: email list 
> Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 3:13 pm
> Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
>
>  Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4?
>
>
> I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan
>
> eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control
>
> the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat,
>
> let's see what the options are.
>
>
> If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A,
>
> please lt me know.
>
>
> I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the
>
> radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Brian Jones
>
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From tr4zest at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 15:37:42 2009
From: tr4zest at gmail.com (Brian Jones)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:37:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<1437895960.3943381256766859918.JavaMail.root@sz0048a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

Message-ID: 

They hold no water Tom? You were a brave chap to find out. Good to see the
thermostat at 165 works in the return pipe. What size is your fan and how
have you wired it in?

Thanks,

Brian

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:54 PM,  wrote:

> I installed a puller fan on my TR3A and am happy I did.  The side rails on
> a TR3 and 4 radiator hold no water (you might want to check this ;^) ) so
> you can mount the puller to the radiator itself.  If you're pulling the
> radiator then while at the shop have them add a receiver for a screw in temp
> sensor. I got my sensor from Jegs and for me the 165 degree works better
> than the 185.  My themistat is in the metal pipe of the radiator hose, but
> had to rig up a ground wire to it for it to work properly.  Also, 165
> because it's in the "middle" of the radiator and heat rises, etc. The fan
> I'm using is a "swirl" bladed, 6 bladed fan. They are supposed to move more
> air than the old style "straight" bladed ones. Some of the local auto stores
> carry them as well as on line sources.
> Any more questions or pictures needed, let me know.
> Tom
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 73 Stag
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Jones" 
> To: "email list" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 3:13:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
>
> Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4?
>
> I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan
> eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control
> the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat,
> let's see what the options are.
>
> If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A,
> please lt me know.
>
> I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the
> radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Jones

From moira.secrest at verizon.net  Wed Oct 28 15:38:19 2009
From: moira.secrest at verizon.net (M. Secrest)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:38:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Z-S Idle Issue
Message-ID: <52691F4ACA4F4C598ACB683645503DFE@4NutballsPC>

What would be the likely culprit for Z-S carburetors and a 72 TR6 that, when
warm, run at high idle?  Around 1500 rpm when hot.  Haven't paid much
attention to them for a while.  Well, maybe ever.

--
Martin Secrest
Arlington, VA
72 TR6
73 GT6

From tr4zest at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 15:37:15 2009
From: tr4zest at gmail.com (Brian Jones)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:37:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Electric fan for a TR4
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
	<1C3A4251-A4E8-4FC2-B67A-ACE747FB33FB@cox.net>

Message-ID: 

That is very helpful, John. How did you wire everything in?

I love the look of the TR3, but I'm happy not to have to deal with the nose
'fairing' that comes with it. I had a fully faired touring motorcycle for a
few years, and it was a real job to take all the fairing pieces off safely,
store safely and replace them in order to do anything to the bike.

Very helpful photos...and an overflow bottle is now in my plans too.

Thanks,

Brian

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:50 PM, John A. Wise <60TR3A at cox.net> wrote:

> This is advise from my TR3A conversion.
>
> Have you friendly radiator shop put a bung in your radiator that will
> accept common electronic thermostats.  The only problem I have had is that
> modern cars run at higher tempts & usually 1850 is the lowest you can find
> in most parts stores.  Living in Phoenix I have found an adjustable one
that
> goes goes down as low as 1450.  I plan to use that in the 9 months of
summer
> & then adjust it up for our 3 months of Fall.
>
> My radiator shop also braised on a couple L-brackets to each side to
> provide an attach point or the electric fan.  While you are there have the
> radiator shop install new cap neck for modern cap that will work with
> overflow bottle!!  Both of these task came in for about $10-15 each
>
> See http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/radiator.html for pictures
>
> John
>
>  John A. Wise
> Glendale, AZ
>
> 1960 Triumph TR3A
> Commission No: TS80422L
> http://members.cox.net/60tr3a/
> http://www.triumphowners.com/876
>
> 1977 Porsche 911S
> http://members.cox.net/porsche911s/
>
>
>
> On  28 Oct, 2009, at 12:13 PM, Brian Jones wrote:
>
> Could the Listerati direct me to a good-quality electric fan for my TR4?
>
> I'm planning to remove the mechanical fan and install Rick Patton's fan
> eliminator kit, making room for an electric puller fan. I intend to control
> the fan with an adjustable thermistat - or maybe a set on/off thermostat,
> let's see what the options are.
>
> If anyone has experience of a successful installation in their TR4 / 4A,
> please lt me know.
>
> I do not want to install the fan using the plastic lugs pushed through the
> radiator vanes - and the same goes for the thermostat.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Jones
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 17:02:24 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 17:02:24 -0700
Subject: [TR] Z-S Idle Issue
In-Reply-To: <52691F4ACA4F4C598ACB683645503DFE@4NutballsPC>
References: <52691F4ACA4F4C598ACB683645503DFE@4NutballsPC>
Message-ID: 

If you still have the vacuum retard & thermal vacuum switch, that is where I
would look first.  It is supposed to jack the idle up, when the engine gets
hot.

-- Randall  

From pdonnel1 at san.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 19:35:52 2009
From: pdonnel1 at san.rr.com (John & Pat Donnelly)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:35:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] Is there anything like this in the USA?
Message-ID: <000001ca5840$894915e0$9bdb41a0$@rr.com>

Rimmer Bros sends emails to periodically, and I thought this one was
particularly interesting. It highlighted a classic car show.

http://www.necclassicmotorshow.com/index.php

Does Hemmings do something like this? We left coasters don't get much except
the typical "new car" show, or the weekend local events. Yes, we do have
Car's-n-Coffee. But it'd be fun to attend something different.

Johnnie

From bjzwissler at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 20:03:26 2009
From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Ben Zwissler)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:03:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Windshield Installation Summary and Tonneau Cover Snap Question
Message-ID: <4AE905FE.7080809@gmail.com>

I got a lot of responses to my question about windshield installation 
and sealing.  Thanks to all that responded.  The overwhelming number of 
respondents said they didn't use any sealant for their windshield 
installation and didn't have any trouble with leaks.  So that's the way 
I'm going.  There was about an even split on those who said they had a 
professional shop do it, and several comments that the shops in their 
area wouldn't do it at all or wouldn't guarantee against breaking the 
glass it if they didn't provide it.  I've done some searching and am 
going to try it myself using the "string trick" to pull the seal over 
the frame lip.  The glass is not perfect and if it breaks I'll buy new 
and go the professional route.  (33 years ago at age 16 I did this 
myself on my first TR4A and didn't break anything.  I remember nothing 
about how I did it, but I'm smarter now, right?)

Another question.  As I prepare to install the windshield I need to 
replace the tonneau cover snaps that attach to the windshield bolts on 
top of the dash.  Its not clear to me where these fit in relation to the 
bolt, the round washer or the shiny triangular piece covering the 
flange.  My guess is they go under the round washer and above the 
triangular piece.  Anyone got a dissenting opinion?

One other comment, a few weeks ago I asked about replacing the felt in 
the door window jams.  I ended using velcro as recommended by Bob 
Danielson and described on his web site.  Its worked very well so far.  
Thanks, Bob.

Ben....

-- 
Ben Zwissler
bjzwissler at gmail.com
Columbus, IN
1966 Triumph TR4A
1973 MG Midget
1980 Triumph TR8
2007 Mazda RX8
2002 Yamaha FZ1
2003 Honda ST1300

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Wed Oct 28 20:26:33 2009
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:26:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] WTB TR3 door handle
Message-ID: <002701ca5847$9d8cc090$d8a641b0$@net>

I need a door handle for a TR3 and also the little clip that holds it on.
Condition is not important, other than better is better :-)

Send me a price, off list, FOB Charleston, IL (61920)

Thanks

Ken Gano

From triumphs at consolidated.net  Wed Oct 28 20:41:30 2009
From: triumphs at consolidated.net (Ken Gano palm top)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:41:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Is there anything like this in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <000001ca5840$894915e0$9bdb41a0$@rr.com>
References: <000001ca5840$894915e0$9bdb41a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <002f01ca5849$b3c41730$1b4c4590$@net>

Sort of...  Although I have never been I hear that Hershey (PA) "import and
kit car" weekend is basically a big swap meet.  They used to do regional
ones as well (I went to Bloomington, IL three different years) but that
stopped maybe ten years ago.  It was mostly American Iron, but there was a
smattering of British stuff and a huge selection of shop tools and general
purpose stuff.

The Chicago MG club has a big swap meet each winter with lots of Triumph
stuff.  Other than travelling to Chicago in February (not a pleasant
experience :-)) it is a nice get together and a fun break in the long winter
season.

I know several of our friends on this list actually traveled to England for
this, or a very similar get together a few years ago, before the dollar
tanked.  As I recall it was put on by the national Triumphs club and have
heard stories of some fantastic bargains.  Ask Fred Thomas for more details.

I too would love to see something similar, centrally located.

Ken Gano

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John & Pat Donnelly
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 9:36 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Is there anything like this in the USA?

Rimmer Bros sends emails to periodically, and I thought this one was
particularly interesting. It highlighted a classic car show.

http://www.necclassicmotorshow.com/index.php

Does Hemmings do something like this? We left coasters don't get much except
the typical "new car" show, or the weekend local events. Yes, we do have
Car's-n-Coffee. But it'd be fun to attend something different.

Johnnie
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Oct 28 20:55:29 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 20:55:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Is there anything like this in the USA?
In-Reply-To: <000001ca5840$894915e0$9bdb41a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <20091029035530026.LEBA4372@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com>

> Yes, we do have Car's-n-Coffee. But it'd be fun to attend something
different.

How about this?
http://www.franceanditaly.com/

Personally, VTR/TRfest was plenty big enough for me.  Really huge shows
(like the AACA event in Hershey PA) are just too large for me.

Randall

From david.brister at wanadoo.fr  Thu Oct 29 02:49:22 2009
From: david.brister at wanadoo.fr (David Brister)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:49:22 +0100
Subject: [TR] Electric fan for a TR4
References: 
Message-ID: 

I installed an electric fan on my TR4A 8 or nine years ago. It turned out 
the best mod I ever did. I wrote an article about it at the time and sent 
many copies to list members but the article disappeared from my hard disk 
when I changed computers. No present member could find a copy on their 
computer. Bummer!
Essentially I combed the local scrapyards for a suitable fan. This turned 
out to be one salvaged from a Citroen BX. (On advice from Jacques Rouleaux). 
A very strong fan which draws about 15 Amps stationary. It was encased in a 
shroud which was the same width as the rad. I bolted it onto brackets I made 
which were bolted onto the rad fixing brackets. There is masses of room in 
front of the rad. I took away the fan and extension. Randall advised at the 
time that if you did'nt spend hours revving faster than 5k there would not 
be significant harmonic problems.
I braised a 22mm half nut to the back of the header tank. This is the thread 
for almost all the European thermostatic switches. I eventually fitted a 
switch which made at 90C and broke at I think 80C which screws into the 
braised nut. It is heat insulated. Also I needed a new bolt for the 
crankshaft pulley .
I do have the original wiring diagram I drew which involved a fuse, two 
relays, an auto/over ride switch and amber warning light. BTW the second 
relay is to stop the fan illuminating the warning light when it's being 
blown round by the slipstream, which I found very irritating.
The mod has been entirely successful and increased the mpg by around 2.
If anyone would like to put the wiring diagram on a website for any lister 
to download I will happily send it to them. However I expect a better 
electrician than I could produce something more elegant!

Sorry to go on and on but HT mightH someone!

David Brister
1967 TR4A 

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Oct 29 05:10:27 2009
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:10:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Windshield Installation Summary and Tonneau Cover Snap
 Question
In-Reply-To: <4AE905FE.7080809@gmail.com>
References: <4AE905FE.7080809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200910290810.28280.yellowtr@adelphia.net>

On Wednesday 28 October 2009 11:03:26 pm Ben Zwissler wrote:
> I got a lot of responses to my question about windshield installation
> and sealing.  Thanks to all that responded.  The overwhelming number of
> respondents said they didn't use any sealant for their windshield
> installation and didn't have any trouble with leaks.  So that's the way
> I'm going.  There was about an even split on those who said they had a
> professional shop do it, and several comments that the shops in their
> area wouldn't do it at all or wouldn't guarantee against breaking the
> glass it if they didn't provide it.  I've done some searching and am
> going to try it myself using the "string trick" to pull the seal over
> the frame lip.  The glass is not perfect and if it breaks I'll buy new
> and go the professional route.  (33 years ago at age 16 I did this
> myself on my first TR4A and didn't break anything.  I remember nothing
> about how I did it, but I'm smarter now, right?)

Ben,

I went that route with my TR4 (using a used windshield glass) and I lived to 
regret the move. 

What I thought was a decent piece of glass turned out to be a piece of crap 
when the sun shinned a certain way. I replaced it with a new pane from TRF.

The 6 project received a new pane as well.

It is a lot of work installing the glass and you only would want to do the job 
once. I believe TRF glass is only about 150 + shipping.
>
> Another question.  As I prepare to install the windshield I need to
> replace the tonneau cover snaps that attach to the windshield bolts on
> top of the dash.  Its not clear to me where these fit in relation to the
> bolt, the round washer or the shiny triangular piece covering the
> flange.  My guess is they go under the round washer and above the
> triangular piece.  Anyone got a dissenting opinion?

I believe that is correct. My 4 is currently in storage.

It is a good idea to chase the threads on top of the dash with a tap before 
you install the windshield. And use some anti-seize. Once the windshield is in 
place, those bolts are difficult to get started. Make sure threads on the bolts 
and the welded nuts are clean and sharp.

Bob

From GHaynesTR4 at aol.com  Thu Oct 29 08:17:40 2009
From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com (GHaynesTR4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:17:40 EDT
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan for TR4
Message-ID: 

Brian, et al,
The electric fan on my TR4A is from JCWhitney.   In fact I have two: one in 
front and one behind, as there is no engine-driven fan and I wanted some 
quick on-the-road repair if the primary fan failed for some reason.   They are 
as large as possible, either 16" or 20", I forget which.   Under $100. 
each.   They are both installed using the poke-thru plastic pins.   The radiator 
is aluminum.

I removed the rheostat controling the dash lights and tied the wires 
together (they're never bright enough anyway, why would one want them to be 
dimmer?)   Installed another heater fan switch, which even has a small fan blade 
on the knob.   This controls the electric fan, which I don't even turn on 
unless idling or in slow traffic.

A concern might be the current load drawn by the large fan, about 10 amps, 
I think.   With an alternator it's not a problem, but with a stock generator 
there may be a problem keeping the battery charged.   Halogen headlights 
also draw about 10 amps and the generator puts out around 20 amps, so you 
could be in trouble right away.

Like other listers, the elecric fans have been trouble-free for years and 
the second fan is simply insurance.   Good luck.
George Haynes

From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 09:53:14 2009
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (kinderlehrer at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:53:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan for TR4
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <1128667516.2069121256835194113.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Since I got my electric fan at a swap meet, it didn't come with any mounting
hardware, so I made some "poke through pins" from cable ties. I cut the head
off of a second tie to use as a "nut" and used plastic washers on either side.
I didn't want to just wrap a cable tie around and feed it back through since
it seemed that it would stress the veins too much.B B Did it aboutB about 5
years ago,B no problems so far.B 

Bob

----- Original Message -----
From: GHaynesTR4 at aol.com
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 8:17:40 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan for TR4

Brian, et al,
The electric fan on my TR4A is from JCWhitney. B  In fact I have two: one in
front and one behind, as there is no engine-driven fan and I wanted some
quick on-the-road repair if the primary fan failed for some reason. B  They
are
as large as possible, either 16" or 20", I forget which. B  Under $100.
each. B  They are both installed using the poke-thru plastic pins. B  The
radiator
is aluminum.

I removed the rheostat controling the dash lights and tied the wires
together (they're never bright enough anyway, why would one want them to be
dimmer?) B  Installed another heater fan switch, which even has a small fan
blade
on the knob. B  This controls the electric fan, which I don't even turn on
unless idling or in slow traffic.

A concern might be the current load drawn by the large fan, about 10 amps,
I think. B  With an alternator it's not a problem, but with a stock generator
there may be a problem keeping the battery charged. B  Halogen headlights
also draw about 10 amps and the generator puts out around 20 amps, so you
could be in trouble right away.

Like other listers, the elecric fans have been trouble-free for years and
the second fan is simply insurance. B  Good luck.
George Haynes

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Oct 29 11:07:44 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:07:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Electric Fan for TR4
In-Reply-To: <1128667516.2069121256835194113.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: 
	<1128667516.2069121256835194113.JavaMail.root@sz0102a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9B04D8E8662E4C8193E66C73D132AF83@jdnet.deere.com>

> it didn't come 
> with any mounting hardware, so I made some "poke through 
> pins" from cable ties.

FWIW, the "through the core" mounting kits are available separately (for a
moderate charge).  This comes in handy if the fan needs to be removed for
any reason.  Eg, eBay item 370279073600.  (NFI, just the first example I
found)

-- Randall  

From tr6.guy at verizon.net  Thu Oct 29 15:24:54 2009
From: tr6.guy at verizon.net (Gary Klein)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 18:24:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR8 Dimensions
Message-ID: <6229CA8D05A546BBA31B3EA6819C6B06@mommystoyii>

Everyone,

Could someone provide the following TR8 DHC dimensions?  What are the car's
length, width, and height with both the hood up and hood down?

Thanks in advance,

Gary
www.tracltd.org

From ahwahnee18 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 17:49:37 2009
From: ahwahnee18 at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:49:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] Windshield Installation Summary and Tonneau Cover Snap
 Question
In-Reply-To: <4AE905FE.7080809@gmail.com>
References: <4AE905FE.7080809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7bb181af0910291749y69f0a3d0t363359fa4b13e171@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/28/09, Ben Zwissler  wrote:
> ...My guess is they go under the round washer and above the
> triangular piece.

Sorry, I do not recall what car is being discussed, but on my TR4 the
stack from top to bottom is bolt head/washer/triangular piece/plate
with snap.  Someone please tell me if that is not right (though they
appeared to be original and unmolested on mine).

I found it helpful to make a slightly larger snap plate for the middle piece:

http://members.cybertrails.com/~ahwahnee/TonneauSnaps.JPG

This makes it much easier to snap those middle snaps.  I swear the new
tonneaus available are patterned after originals which have shrunk...
for whatever reason they seem to be very tight fits.

Geo

From jimbyjove at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 20:11:06 2009
From: jimbyjove at comcast.net (Jim Coleman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:11:06 -0400
Subject: [TR]  Will GT6 Heater Assembly Fit a Late TR6?
Message-ID: <001501ca590e$9f290400$dd7b0c00$@net>

I received an email from a non-lister who owns a 1975 TR6 who asked if I
could help him find a complete heater assembly for his TR6 and also wants to
know if a GT6 heater will fit.  Apparently, he has found a couple of those
(Mark II and Mark III) and is willing to travel a reasonable distance from
his home near Road Atlanta to get one.

Thanks,

Jim Coleman

Mechanicsville, VA

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 29 20:37:41 2009
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (dorpaul)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:37:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] small dust boot/cover ? tear?
Message-ID: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>

List,
Would it be real bad if I were to install a dust cover for my TR3's caliper
brake piston which had a 1/2" tear in the rubber where it attaches to the top
grove in the caliper pot? (lifting up and under the skirt of the flat dust
cover allows me to see almost 1/2" of the piston's silver side)

 Since it is only the dust cover that has this little 1/2" tear, it proably is
ok...right?

From levilevi at comcast.net  Thu Oct 29 22:00:53 2009
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:00:53 -0600
Subject: [TR] small dust boot/cover ? tear?
In-Reply-To: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>
References: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>
Message-ID: <5D528BB0-EF78-4C10-B26A-E7183469CB12@comcast.net>

Cutting corners when it comes to brakes is never OK.

Bud Rolofson

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
66TR4A CTC57806 (The Wreck-Almost parts)
66TR4A CTC57529 (The Project)
71F-250 Camper Special (Triumph Support Vehicle)
Z-50A Hardly Davidson 1977 Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
levilevi at comcast.net

On Oct 29, 2009, at 9:37 PM, dorpaul wrote:

> List,
> Would it be real bad if I were to install a dust cover for my TR3's  
> caliper
> brake piston which had a 1/2" tear in the rubber where it attaches  
> to the top
> grove in the caliper pot? (lifting up and under the skirt of the  
> flat dust
> cover allows me to see almost 1/2" of the piston's silver side)
>
> Since it is only the dust cover that has this little 1/2" tear, it  
> proably is
> ok...right?
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Oct 30 04:42:54 2009
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:42:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] Will GT6 Heater Assembly Fit a Late TR6?
In-Reply-To: <001501ca590e$9f290400$dd7b0c00$@net>
References: <001501ca590e$9f290400$dd7b0c00$@net>
Message-ID: <200910300742.55440.yellowtr@adelphia.net>

On Thursday 29 October 2009 11:11:06 pm Jim Coleman wrote:
> I received an email from a non-lister who owns a 1975 TR6 who asked if I
> could help him find a complete heater assembly for his TR6 and also wants
> to know if a GT6 heater will fit.  Apparently, he has found a couple of
> those (Mark II and Mark III) and is willing to travel a reasonable distance
> from his home near Road Atlanta to get one.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Coleman
>
> Mechanicsville, VA
Jim,

I cant answer your question on the GT6 heater, but I see TR6 heaters on Ebay 
all the time with little or no bidders.

If the GT6 heater does not fit, tell your friend to search Ebay or check out 
VTR classifieds or the 6Pack  classifieds. Many members have numerous parts 
available.

Bob

From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Oct 30 05:11:53 2009
From: dave1massey at cs.com (dave1massey at cs.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:11:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] small dust boot/cover ? tear?
In-Reply-To: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>
References: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>
Message-ID: <8CC27714D4DB581-6674-1CFE4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

 As Bud says, don't take shortcuts with the brakes.

But the dustcover seal breach will allow water into where the piston slides
into and out of the caliper bore.  Water will cause rust that can inhibit the
movement of the pistons and one piston will hang up causing a pad to drag
causing the brakes to heat up and compromise your stopping ability.

Ask me how I know.

 Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: dorpaul 

List,
Would it be real bad if I were to install a dust cover for my TR3's caliper
brake piston which had a 1/2" tear in the rubber where it attaches to the top
grove in the caliper pot? (lifting up and under the skirt of the flat dust
cover allows me to see almost 1/2" of the piston's silver side)

 Since it is only the dust cover that has this little 1/2" tear, it proably
is
ok...right?

From dorpaul at bellsouth.net  Fri Oct 30 05:29:04 2009
From: dorpaul at bellsouth.net (dorpaul)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:29:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] small dust boot/cover ? tear?
References: <07C055CF4892481E9581A5EBAD525354@YOUR7F50EBAA71>
	<8CC27714D4DB581-6674-1CFE4@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: 

Thanks for explaining!  You've told me to ask you how you know, but, you've
already convinced me.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: dave1massey at cs.com
  To: dorpaul at bellsouth.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net
  Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 8:11 AM
  Subject: Re: [TR] small dust boot/cover ? tear?

  As Bud says, don't take shortcuts with the brakes.

  But the dustcover seal breach will allow water into where the piston slides
into and out of the caliper bore.  Water will cause rust that can inhibit the
movement of the pistons and one piston will hang up causing a pad to drag
causing the brakes to heat up and compromise your stopping ability.

  Ask me how I know.

  Dave

  -----Original Message-----
  From: dorpaul 

List,
Would it be real bad if I were to install a dust cover for my TR3's caliper
brake piston which had a 1/2" tear in the rubber where it attaches to the top
grove in the caliper pot? (lifting up and under the skirt of the flat dust
cover allows me to see almost 1/2" of the piston's silver side)

 Since it is only the dust cover that has this little 1/2" tear, it proably
is
ok...right?

From agraham at execulink.com  Fri Oct 30 13:18:49 2009
From: agraham at execulink.com (Angelo Graham)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:18:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 pinion seal question
Message-ID: <200910302018.n9UKIg1A026259@smtp1.execulink.net>

Hello List:
Noticed after installing a new pinion seal on my Girling axle that 
the seal seemed to have a lot of drag on the pinion shaft. It is a 
new, modern seal sourced from the big 3, but it was very tight and 
now I can notice a real drag on the shaft when I turn the drive shaft 
flange. Is this to be expected? We used lots of lube to install the 
seal and it was a tight fit.
Worried about eventually wearing a grove in the pinion shaft - 
Speedi-sleeve time again.
Any insights??
Thanks in advance for any advice on this.
Angelo Graham

From jimbyjove at comcast.net  Fri Oct 30 14:08:13 2009
From: jimbyjove at comcast.net (Jim Coleman)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:08:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] Will a GT6 Heater Assembly Fit a Late TR6?
Message-ID: <001d01ca59a5$182a4620$487ed260$@net>

Thanks to all who responded and so quickly!  I will forward some of the
contacts mentioned and also suggest that he check Ebay and the VTR
classifieds.  I have contacted several sources I know of and am waiting.  I
also put him in touch with the Georgia Triumph Association.

Like most, I believe a TR6 heater would be as easy to find as a GT6 heater
and know that it fits.  

Thanks again,

Jim Coleman 

Mechanicsville VA

From ahwahnee18 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 30 14:40:51 2009
From: ahwahnee18 at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:40:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 pinion seal question
In-Reply-To: <200910302018.n9UKIg1A026259@smtp1.execulink.net>
References: <200910302018.n9UKIg1A026259@smtp1.execulink.net>
Message-ID: <7bb181af0910301440r7e765c52k14fd7c70d0756e90@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/30/09, Angelo Graham  wrote:
> Noticed after installing a new pinion seal on my Girling axle that
> the seal seemed to have a lot of drag on the pinion shaft.

Was this drag noticeable when you first re-inserted the drive flange?
Or was it only apparent once you had tightened the big nut?

I ask as I wonder if you have too much pre-load on that guy.

FWIW, I recently installed the seal sold by Moss US and had no such drag.

Geo

From jimmuller at rcn.com  Fri Oct 30 15:54:21 2009
From: jimmuller at rcn.com (Jim Muller)
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:54:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Will a GT6 Heater Assembly Fit a Late TR6?
In-Reply-To: <001d01ca59a5$182a4620$487ed260$@net>
Message-ID: <4AEB365D.27623.3D889040@localhost>

On 30 Oct 2009 at 17:08, Jim Coleman wrote:

> Like most, I believe a TR6 heater would be as easy to find as a
> GT6 heater and know that it fits.  

If it weren't for the commonality between Spitfire and GT6 parts I'd 
expect a TR6 to be much easier to find!

As for that commonality, Spitbits lists no part number for the box 
itself.  They list the "heater matirx" for the GT6 and for the 17-74 
Spitfire.  They have the same part number.  They don't list it for 
the later Spitfire at all.

Seems to me those GT6 heaters might be scarcer.

-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller at rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Oct 31 10:26:22 2009
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:26:22 -0600
Subject: [TR] Fwd:  Oil Pan Leak
In-Reply-To: 
References: <20091028005200.05E6D18765A@autox.team.net>

Message-ID: 

I am overjoyed today in that I finally got my car up on a lift in order to
clean and very closely examine what I believed to be a faulty rear-main seal
(brand new Moss kit).  Now it looks like the oil is leaking from the second
bolt in from the corner(driver's side). I REALLY hope this is right!!

My questions to the list are this:
- First, the guy that built the engine used some type of sealant that has
VERY SECURELY glued the alloy sump to the block.  I think they need this
stuff to attach the tiles to the Space Shuttle!  I can see that it is black
from the squeeze-out around the edges.  Any idea what it is and the best way
to get the sump off without damaging it?
- The bolts now in the pan are several lengths but the manual shows that all
to be 3/4", save three(3)
- The slave bracket & breather pipe clip bolts(2) to be 1-1/4" in length
- A sump to front sealing block bolt(1) to be 5/8".  
I this correct?
- Also, is there any oil passage that these rear-most bolts could have
intersected with to cause the leak?  If so, what is the remedy?
- Lastly, I have the alloy sump, does this make any difference in the bolt
lengths I should use?

Many thanks in advance.  And, if this is indeed the cause of my oil puddle
misery my humble apologies to Moss for all of my evil statements of the
past.

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Brian Jones
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 1:17 PM
To: email list
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Oil Pan Leak

I followed the method in the VTR maintenance section, except I used Permatex
to bond the gasket to the pan, left to set overnight. I then used Hylomar on
the gasket-to-block face so that I could easily get the pan off again and
had no risk of goop in the pan causing mischief.

I took care to straighten the pan lip first. My pan had been heavily
over-tightened by the DPO and his answer was to use masses of orange rubbery
goop to close the gaps on the distorted pan lip. He failed. The VTR page:
 http://www.vtr.org/maintain/oil-pan-gasket.shtml

Brian Jones

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Tony Drews  wrote:

> That's what I use as well.  Permatex brand is what the local Farm and 
> Fleet carries.  I still leave a trail of oil, but not from the oil pan
flange.
>
> - Tony Drews
>
> At 01:57 PM 10/27/2009, STEVE STERN wrote:
>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Leak
>>
>> "I cured my oil pan leaks by installing the gasket with black RTV. 
>> This is a silicone gasket maker. I only used the RTV on the area 
>> outside of the bolt holes to prevent it from getting into my oil 
>> system. No more leaks."
>>
>> I second it! I've been using RTV adhesive and/or gasket maker on all 
>> paper and cork gaskets since the 70s without a leak.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
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From StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org  Sat Oct 31 11:41:26 2009
From: StagByTriumph at triumphstagclub.org (Glenn A. Merrell - TSN)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:41:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] [stag] TTA - WHAT's NEXT?? Status of Uncle Jack - our last
 grand finale task
In-Reply-To: <253112.56090.qm@web37904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <253112.56090.qm@web37904.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AEC84D6.8020305@triumphstagclub.org>

Bert,
Thanks for the input, and keep suggestions coming.

BJ has not been interested in supporting our charities, been there, 
tried that twice.  BJ has a list of their own special charities they 
promote and support and that is their position.
They will be glad to auction the car as any other seller, No discount on 
buyer/seller/auctioneer premiums, etc. 
Do you (or anyone) have contacts at BJ that might change their mind - 
maybe some people who know people?  Direct them to the TTA web site!  
Maybe now after the drive is over and publicized and the web site is up 
and running again they will pay attention and support it.  I could 
easily get UJ to Phoenix for the January / February auction though if 
they would put it in the preferred/elite auction tent and I could get 
some VIP passes to keep it all pristine looking, put all the magnets 
back on, etc..  Maybe third time is a charmer.

We also could not get Hagerty Insurance to be interested in sponsoring 
UJ's drive either, even though most of the Triumphs that participated in 
the caravans are Hagerty customers!  Part of that disconnect was Chuck 
Kittelson suddenly passing in July who was my main publicity and 
corporate sponsor guru for the TTA drive and was working with sponsors.

We did have Kruse interested, but they are in financial straights with 
pending bankruptcy so the decision not to use them was made - and we 
could not bet the car to Hershey in time from SLO.  

Chuck Kittelson had two casinos in Vegas interested in paying a cool 
$1million for the car but the economy took a dump as we were kicking off 
the drive.  I will be pursuing this avenue again as we ramp up the 
auction site and publicity.

For coverage on national TV, John Macartney was interviewed on many 
local TV stations, many local radio stations and many newspapers and car 
magazines over the course of the drive.  Press releases were sent to all 
the major broadcast medias, none on the national ones were were interested.
As an example, our local newspaper car guy at the Denver Post was more 
enamored with the 4 supercars (google Bertone Mantide and revin' on 
earth) spending tens of thousands in costs to drive them coast to coast 
with a gaggle of mechanics and semi's full of parts and a mobile service 
garage, for the sole purpose of personal satisfaction of one the drivers 
millionaire Dan Watkins,  and his 3 other buddies,  than a cause 
covering all of North America traveling through Denver to raise 
awareness and charity money for PTSD.
If you got it, flaunt it I suppose.

-- 
Glenn A. Merrell
TTA North American Drive Coordinator 2009
www.triumphtransamerica.org
Skype,Twitter,FaceBook: StagByTriumph

Bert Saxby wrote:
> Why not take it to Barrett Jackson?  I'm sure they would get on the charity
> bandwagon and you almost never see a Triumph roll across the stage.

From carlsereda at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 15:02:25 2009
From: carlsereda at aol.com (carlsereda)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:02:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
Message-ID: 

Hi Listers,
I am not sure I've ever really seen a TR  "Tropical" radiator fan blade.. is
the one listed here on eBay the real deal.. I'm kinda doubting it..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499877203

Regards,
Carl
63 TR4 since '74

From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Oct 31 16:16:37 2009
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech at flash.net)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:16:37 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: 

Carl,

It looks like the real deal from the picture, except for the red paint, for
$112.00 I hope it is.  I have heard that the Volvo 122s six-blade fan can be
easily modified for a TR2-4 application, but have never seen or tried it,
maybe someone else can add to this thought.

I have one that I bought from another lister for $125 a couple of years ago.
High altitude, summer driving in the mountains, no shroud and everything
else is stock... Never an overheating problem all this year, the first year
back on the road. 

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
[mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of carlsereda
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 4:02 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?

Hi Listers,
I am not sure I've ever really seen a TR  "Tropical" radiator fan blade.. is
the one listed here on eBay the real deal.. I'm kinda doubting it..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499877203

Regards,
Carl
63 TR4 since '74
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From paulwillou at socal.rr.com  Sat Oct 31 16:24:10 2009
From: paulwillou at socal.rr.com (Paul Willoughby)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:24:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
References: 
Message-ID: 

Although I've never examined one up close, I've seen one on a friends car. 
This one looks right to me.  I was going to bid on it when it was at $50. 
When it topped $100, it was too rich for my blood.

On a related note, I bought a 6 blade Volvo fan on ebay.  I was dismayed 
when it arrived because the four bolt holes were not equally spaced as on a 
TR fan.  If I redrill the holes, how critical is it that they be perfectly 
on center?  As opposed to making some of the holes oblong to make up for 
poor placement.

paulw
1964 TR4

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carlsereda" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 3:02 PM
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?

> Hi Listers,
> I am not sure I've ever really seen a TR  "Tropical" radiator fan blade.. 
> is
> the one listed here on eBay the real deal.. I'm kinda doubting it..
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499877203
>
> Regards,
> Carl
> 63 TR4 since '74

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Oct 31 16:42:49 2009
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 16:42:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <20091031234249723.MKKU9287@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com>

> I am not sure I've ever really seen a TR  "Tropical" radiator 
> fan blade.. is
> the one listed here on eBay the real deal.. I'm kinda doubting it..
> 

Read the text carefully; Ted doesn't claim it's the "tropical" fan, but
rather a stock metal fan for an early TR4A (before they switched to
plastic).

I can't say if it's genuine, but it certainly bears a strong resemblance to
the illustration in my TR4A SPC (which of course doesn't show the color).
And while Ted has been known to stretch the truth on occasion, I'm inclined
to take his word for it.

Could be mistaken, but my understanding is that the "tropical" TR2-4 fan was
an aftermarket accessory, made in Australia or some such, not in the UK by
Standard-Triumph (though they may have fitted it to some cars, on request).

Randall

From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Sat Oct 31 17:04:30 2009
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:04:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <56CB64C9E5BD40009BA4ACF6ADF53D0D@chuck>

Carl,

The listing is by Ted Schumacher of TSI in Pandora, OH.  As a former Triumph
dealer and well known Spitfire racer, I'm sure Ted would know if it's the
real deal or not.  Since he's listing it, I'm sure it is.

Chuck White
Xenia, OH
1965 TR4A IRS
1970 GT6+

-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of carlsereda
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 6:02 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?

Hi Listers,
I am not sure I've ever really seen a TR  "Tropical" radiator fan blade.. is
the one listed here on eBay the real deal.. I'm kinda doubting it..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220499877203

Regards,
Carl
63 TR4 since '74

From jmwagner at greenheart.com  Sat Oct 31 17:41:01 2009
From: jmwagner at greenheart.com (Justin Wagner)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:41:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] Early TR2 -  Looking for Parts from top of Boot
Message-ID: <4AECD91D.6070109@greenheart.com>

I'm looking for a pair of "budget lock" covers for my early TR2.  I 
could buy new ones, but I'd prefer to find a couple original ones that 
will blend better with my unrestored car.  They have a unique fig leaf 
shape to them.   Can anyone help me?  --Justin

http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2bootlidlocks.jpg
close up....
http://www.vtr.org/TR2/NewPhotos/tt2figleaf.jpg

From ZoboHerald at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 19:56:54 2009
From: ZoboHerald at aol.com (ZoboHerald at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:56:54 EDT
Subject: [TR] TR Radiator "Tropical" Fan?
Message-ID: 

In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:36:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
tr3driver at ca.rr.com writes:

I can't  say if it's genuine, but it certainly bears a strong resemblance to
the  illustration in my TR4A SPC (which of course doesn't show the color).
And  while Ted has been known to stretch the truth on occasion, I'm inclined
to  take his word for it.

Could be mistaken, but my understanding is that  the "tropical" TR2-4 fan 
was
an aftermarket accessory, made in Australia or  some such, not in the UK by
Standard-Triumph (though they may have fitted  it to some cars, on request).

==AM==
Whether or not 211986 is a "tropical" fan, it is a TR4A fan as Randall  
notes. It was also used on the Vitesse 6 and 2L, early GT6 and 2000 sedan.  

--Andy  Mace

*Mrs Irrelevant: Oh, is it a jet?
*Man: Well, no ... It's not so  much of a jet, it's more your, er, Triumph 
Herald engine with wings.
--  Cut-price Airlines Sketch, Monty Python's Flying Circus (22)

Triumph 10 /  Herald / Sports 6 vehicle consultant, The Vintage Triumph 
Register: _http://www.vtr.org_ (http://www.vtr.org/) 

Check out the North  American Triumph Sports 6 (Vitesse 6) and Triumph 
Herald Database: _http://triumph-herald.us_ (http://triumph-herald.us/) 

From carlsereda at aol.com  Sat Oct 31 20:32:59 2009
From: carlsereda at aol.com (carlsereda)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:32:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] 6-bladed 'Tropical' Radiator Fan Blade
Message-ID: 

For your trivia and enjoyment I put two  6-bladed radiator fan blades side by
side in a photo. Both are claimed to be TR 'Tropical' blades. I believe 'B' s
the one- not the one just sold on eBay (which is 'A'). Anyone really know? -
I'll send you the side-by-side picture if you want.
Regards,
Carl