> When I've watched John Kipping do it he uses a small hammer. > He's not one for the BFH, and is pretty vocal to that end. Well, to be honest, I didn't weigh it. To me, anything over 18 ounces is "big" and the one John used (you saw the same demonstration as I recall) looked to be about 32 ounces to me. But I could be mistaken on that point. Randall