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    <p>Thank you for this! Explains what us wet/snowy winter drivers
      need to look out for! Wash & dry with a hair dryer...</p>
    <p>Ken<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/11/2025 7:19 AM, Arden Bedell
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      Here's some interesting information to consider about nylon and
      nyloc nuts:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="https://nycoa.com/recent-news/2020/moistureinnylon"
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/10/25 12:15 PM, Ron Fraser via
        Tigers wrote:<br>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Jay<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I’m not familiar enough with the history
            of your Tiger so it comes down to how do you feel about the
            Nylocks.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I’m assuming they have been on for some
            time, have not moved and are probably very safe.<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">I would check them, mark them, then
            regularly inspect the witness marks for any movement, then
            decide. <o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jay Laifman <a
              class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><jay.laifman@gmail.com></a>
            <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 2:42 PM<br>
            <b>To:</b> Ron Fraser <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
              href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com" moz-do-not-send="true"><rfraser@bluefrog.com></a><br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a
              class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
              href="mailto:modtiger@comcast.net" moz-do-not-send="true">modtiger@comcast.net</a>;
            <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
              href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send="true">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Check Your Nuts<o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts on pulling off nylocks and
              putting on two nuts to jam tight?<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 10, 2025 at 11:37 AM Ron
                Fraser <<a href="mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com"
                  moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Jay<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As the saying
                      goes “Stuff Happens”.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Nylock nuts
                      are generally fine.   I would say anyone with
                      Nylock nuts should put a witness mark on them as
                      an easy visual safety check.   Seems to me I have
                      some Nylocks on the front suspension; I will check
                      them and put a witness mark on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">As with any
                      product some are junk.   I remember installing a
                      Nylock nut and as I tightened it down the nylon
                      insert popped out.   I threw those Nylocks away.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Your
                      situation is most likely OK.   I would check the
                      torque on the nuts and put a witness mark on them.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I think the
                      problem we have with why the nut came off is
                      because we generally think in terms of static
                      conditions.   Vehicles are on the move, vibrations
                      can facilitate a nut or bolt to turn.   I’m sure
                      there are other dynamic forces working here too
                      but they are beyond my grade level.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                          Tigers <<a
                            href="mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>
                          <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Laifman<br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 10, 2025 1:45 AM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> <a
                            href="mailto:modtiger@comcast.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">modtiger@comcast.net</a><br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> <a
                            href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Check Your Nuts<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I remember a
                        light blue Mazda Alpine.  What ever happened to
                        it?  <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am not sure
                        I understand how friction in the ball causes the
                        taper to come lose.  But regardless, I think it
                        is pretty likely my lower ball joints were
                        sourced from Rick about 1994, and it is nyloc
                        only.  Are you suggesting they are all an
                        accident away?  <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Mar 9, 2025, at
                          7:43 PM, Tom Hall via Tigers <<a
                            href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a>>
                          wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>It's hard to believe that this is still
                          happening.  It started when Rick at Sunbeam
                          Specialties changed suppliers way back in the
                          mid-eighties.  The OEM suppliers had always
                          used castle nuts and cotter keys, but this new
                          supplier went with the Nylock nut design.
                          which Rick initially accepted.  My daughter
                          had this "accident" happen in her Rotary
                          powered Alpine, back in the 80's, a couple of
                          blocks from home, exactly as you were, having
                          the lower A-arm fall on the ground, and again
                          luckily at low speed.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>Rick arranged a meeting with reps for this
                          supplier shortly after it happened.  Rick and
                          I sat down with them and they insisted this
                          this had never happened before and it must
                          have been <u>My fault</u>.  Rick and I talked
                          at length and they told us that they were not
                          going to modify their product. Rick however
                          changed his receiveal methods so that the
                          Nylok nut was tossed and a castle nut and
                          drilled hole were installed in his lower ball
                          joint stock from that time until the current
                          time.  This supplier made an acceptable ball
                          joint but they also deleted the copper plating
                          of the genuine OEM supplier.  What happened is
                          that during storage after manufacturing,
                          moisture got into the joint and started the
                          rust process.  With only the Nylock nut, it
                          was only a matter of time before the friction
                          in the joint started to turn the Nylock nut
                          and unscrew it from the taper cone. <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p>Conversely, the upper ball joints have also
                          had this Nylock nut but I've never heard of
                          anyone loosing one to this friction un-screw
                          mechanism.  Different loading's, different
                          results.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                                              <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sat, Mar
                                                8, 2025 at 2:19 PM Joe
                                                Brown <<a
href="mailto:jbbrown1980@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">jbbrown1980@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So,  I took
                                                  my Tiger out yesterday
                                                  for a short drive and
                                                  as I was just about
                                                  home (maybe a hundred
                                                  yards from my
                                                  driveway) the right
                                                  front
                                                  suspension dropped to
                                                  the ground and I
                                                  skidded several yards
                                                  before stopping.  All
                                                  I could think of was
                                                  the old stories about
                                                  exploding ball
                                                  joints. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I walked to
                                                    my house and threw a
                                                    floor jack and some
                                                    jack stands in my
                                                    truck and drove back
                                                    to the Tiger.  I
                                                    managed to get the
                                                    front end jacked up
                                                    and discovered that
                                                    the nut on the lower
                                                    ball joint was gone
                                                    and the lower A arm
                                                    had dropped to the
                                                    road.  My suspension
                                                    pieces are at least
                                                    30 years old and the
                                                    ball joints
                                                    were held on with
                                                    nylock nuts. I
                                                    managed to wrap a
                                                    ratchet strap around
                                                    the upper and lower
                                                    A arms and I was
                                                    able to slowly drive
                                                    the car into my
                                                    garage. <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I am very
                                                    lucky that: <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">1. I was
                                                    going pretty slow at
                                                    the time<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">2. The front
                                                    end landed in some
                                                    loose gravel on the
                                                    side of the road<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">3. None of
                                                    the body work was
                                                    damaged<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">4.  And
                                                    nothing else in the
                                                    suspension looks to
                                                    be damaged; just
                                                    scraped up<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If this had
                                                    happened 5 minutes
                                                    earlier I would have
                                                    been doing 60 on a
                                                    winding road and I
                                                    would have wound up
                                                    in a ditch.<o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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                                                  <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">So I'm
                                                    ordering a new set
                                                    of ball joints and I
                                                    will drill them out
                                                    for castle nuts so I
                                                    don't have to worry
                                                    about a nut working
                                                    its way loose
                                                    again.  <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joe Brown<o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
                          <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
                          <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                          <pre><a href="mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext">tigers@autox.team.net</a><o:p></o:p></pre>
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                          <pre>Archive: <a
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                          <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
                          <pre> <o:p></o:p></pre>
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                        <p> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
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